From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb  1 23:11:14 2015
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2015 17:11:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] fantasy racing game
Message-ID: <auto-000014233531@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate this.

Dave



Welcome race fans,

There may not be very many blind people interested in pro drag racing 
but I would like to let you know about a
fantasy drag racing game that is very easy to navigate
and play regardless of which adaptive software you might require to 
access the internet.

Pro drag racing is when two cars are staged side by side
behind a starting line and wait for a green light to be turned on 
then race along a straight track and hope to
be the first car to cross the finish line.

Each driver attempts to anticipate when the green light will be 
activated and react to other yellow lights which
are illuminated just prior to the green light and the company which 
sponsors the series is Mellow Yellow so the catch phrase is 'go on yellow'.

The FDRL (Fantasy Drag Racing League) at
www.fantasydragracingleague.com is ready to 'go on yellow' for 2015 
when the season begins next weekend in
Pomona California.

All you need to do is press enter on the register my team link, 
provide your information and submit the form
then use the team owners only link to login and select your team of 
eight pro drivers without spending more
than the eight million dollar cap limit.

The first two events of the season are at Pomona, California and 
Phoenix, Arizona and will be free for
anyone to play with $25 being awarded to the team owner
with the highest score of each individual race.

The ten race spring FDRL season begins March 13th with
the Gatornationals in Gainesville Florida and only paid
teams will be allowed to draft their stable of eight
drivers at that point.

www.fantasydragracingleague.com


From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>



From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 14:49:36 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 09:49:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
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All,

I did not claim that accommodations are in any way standardized, and I
certainly know that different needs require different accommodations
and are highly dependent upon the individual.  Karl caught my point
exactly; I am thinking of individuals who refuse to be independent out
of laziness or a desire to have someone do something for them that
they are capable of doing themselves and just don't want to do.

Of course, sighted people abuse the system to, and you're going to
have that issue across humanity as a whole.  The issue is a little
more sticky when people use a disability as a crutch, which sighted
people who aren't otherwise disabled obviously can't do.  There are
people who take advantage of that.  A sighted person cheats on a test
and says, "I was just checking the time (when they look at their cell
phone to cheat).  Many people with disabilities rely more heavily on
technology, and are therefore at a greater advantage to abuse it.

Also, I did say that it went both ways at the very end of my message,
so it was clearly taken out of context.

On 1/30/15, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As a part of that diversity, there are people who go about using
> accommodations that they believe work for them, and there are people who go
> about using accommodations that might be perceived as a little unnecessary
> or unfair.
> To be fair, are there not people who are cited that abuse the system?  Are
> there members of the Federation that, for example use large print instead of
> braille as a reading medium for whatever reason? Other individuals that
> choose to work with dogs as opposed to using cane? People who don't use
> either a dog or a cane?  Are those people considered anymore or less members
> of the Federation than those who read and write in braille, use a cane?
> We believe in the federation that it is important to learn the basic tools
> and techniques of blindness in order to  achieve independence no matter the
> situation or environment, however we also believe that it is important to
> "meet people where they are" or two not push or turn people away based upon
> what their personal philosophy on blindness may or may not be.  The people
> that have made the most impact on me and my understanding of the
> organization and what we believe in, are  people who have modeled how to
> live the life one once as opposed to attempt to make me feel inadequate
> because I didn't know something that they knew.
>  It is always important to remember (or at least I think it is) that we are
> not a finished product.  As we go through life learning, gaining, evolving;
> so Dooley with our blindness.
> The truth is, no matter how much we believe we know about blindness, is
> always good to think about how we can learn more and get better
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think Kaiti can determine that some things are unnecessary, as can we
>> all.  Yes there are grey areas, and yes sometimes people judge too quickly
>> and assume that something isn't necessary when it really is, but there are
>> clear cases.  For instance, when people with disabilities game the system
>> that allows us to take tests in DSS offices instead of class to take tests
>> a week after everyone else so they can have extra time to study.  Or when
>> people with disabilities have their family members write their papers
>> because "we poor blind people can't do that for ourselves."  Or when
>> people use their blindness as an excuse to use their computer or notetaker
>> to take exams and check their book or notes for the answers.  Or when
>> blind people get out of math an science classes because "those classes are
>> just too hard for us."  Or when blind people get their teachers to accept
>> papers without using the proper citation format because "we can't possibly
>> be expected to correctly use APA."
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Julie McGinnity
>> <kaybaycar at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:15:13 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
>>
>> Good morning, Kaiti,
>>
>>        I guess your position attop your high horse endows you with
>> the authority of determining for everyone, exactly what is a
>> "necessary" hand-out? Eh?
>> for today, Car of At 07:26 PM 1/29/2015, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>> I think that if there were only one type of federationist there would
>> be new problems that would arise.  Even if this one type would be a
>> perfectly self-sufficient person, braille-literate, a good traveler,
>> employed, etc, there would be other problems created.  We're about
>> building an entire population of people up, not just one subset.  That
>> is why people have some difficulty understanding that blind people are
>> diverse in their own right, but if we were more homogenius there would
>> be even more problems with this, I think.
>>
>> Think of it this way; is it more damaging to have a situation where
>> everyone is more or less the same, or different.  I know others as
>> well as myself have been in situations where we were annoyed that a
>> blind person who seemed less capable than we were was compared to us,
>> or received unnecessary handouts.  On the other hand, we need to think
>> of the people who are struggling to learn some skills and view the
>> high expectations we have for blind people as something to work up to.
>> It goes both ways.
>>
>> On 1/29/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Darian and all,
>>
>> I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that there is
>> no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind us
>> together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek equality for
>> all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  As
>> federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than being
>> blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
>> philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect with
>> others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
>> change laws that affect us.
>>
>> So, I don't think there is an image of the example federationist...
>> Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more than just
>> one example blind person.  It's about all of us working together.  As
>> I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.
>>
>> On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Darian and all,
>> I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
>> Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
>> personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
>> the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
>> organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
>> how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
>> with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
>> blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
>> Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
>> such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
>> confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
>> want as blind people.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jonathan Franks
>> Board Member
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>> 1st Vice President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
>> Treasurer
>> Texas Association of Blind Students
>> Board Member
>> National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network
>>
>> On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>  Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether
>> or
>> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
>> federationist  is or is not?
>> I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing as an
>> ideal
>> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the
>> Federation
>> believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
>> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
>> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
>> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that
>> equality,
>> but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
>> I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as does any
>> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people
>> who
>> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills,
>> interests,
>> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our
>> movement
>> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
>> supporters
>> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind
>> can
>> have and abilities the blind possess).
>>  I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as
>> sweet
>> or
>> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
>>  Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with
>> varying
>> skills and styles.
>>  What do others think?
>>  Darian
>>
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>>
>> --
>> Julie McGinnity
>> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
>> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
>> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Cor. 7
>>
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>> --
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 16:17:46 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:17:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Quick!! Knfb reader is half off!
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Fellow students,
Be sure to buy the k-NFB reader app today! It is currently half off!
Best,
Kathryn 

Sent from my iPhone


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  2 22:28:56 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:28:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Bridgit,

I'm glad you have something that works.
I'm quite discouraged, yet, I will do what I can by listening carefully to 
the book and just as you do, I take notes. I refer to the notes in class in 
place of following along with the text.

I just requested the publisher file. but my school refuses to convert from 
pdf
to a more suitable form like Word or RTF.

If I had a text file or .brf file this would be best. I suspect jaws will 
not read the file once I have it. Many publisher pdfs in my experience are 
awful and sound like words smashed together.

I so wish I could see this text! One of our readings has phonetic spelling 
to simulate how some blacks spoke. I cannot see this which adds to the point 
of the story.

The professor said he'd write comments electronically.

Thanks for the advice.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Lucy Sirianni ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,
I second what Lucy told you.
I am an english major I am a duel major in English and education.
I use bookshare for most all of my books. If I know I need an anthology I 
get them from learning ally. I am an auditory learner so I retain what I 
read very well.
I take broiled notes hard copy as I read for class. They have important 
quotes, vocabulary, scenes to refer to etc.
I can not follow along in the text in class. I make up for it with my notes.
Professors will mention a passage which I will note in class and look over 
later. If we are in groups I will ask someone to read aloud no one minds and 
group members like it.
Discussion board I's and has always been a disaster. If you have a tablet 
access it on there. The computer is to obnoxious.
For professor comments have them provide the comments electronically through 
Microsoft word or email.
I hope some of this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 27 Heisei, at 3:17 AM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English instructor, 
> let me take a stab at answering just a few of your questions.
>
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can access 
> via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access them in class 
> but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes into your writing, 
> as you can simply paste them into your analysis.  Many of the Norton 
> anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, 
> feel free to contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various 
> Norton anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible 
> version of the one assigned for your class.
>
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you 
> electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request and 
> ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.  Assuming 
> you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the handouts too far 
> in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need to alter his or her 
> schedule of lesson planning substantially.
>
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I can't 
> offer any input on your other questions, but please don't hesitate to be 
> in touch if I can help with anything else.
>
> Enjoy the course!
>
> Lucy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking one 
> and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to 
> access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
>
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to 
> help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of 
> discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.
>
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text 
> form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I generally 
> have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.  the words are 
> often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads 
> them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and 
> spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read 
> some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in 
> situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.
>
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
>
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for 
> discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am at a 
> disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other students can 
> read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where 
> the passage came from.
>
>
>
>
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf 
> file or text file on your braille notetaker.
>
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response 
> or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
> In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like 
> everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my 
> reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could 
> write the feedback in the paper.
>
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not 
> only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t 
> know if I will be able to comment on them.  I know I could not years ago 
> in an english class.
>
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text 
> soon.
>
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my 
> braille note first as I’m reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what 
> I want to.  I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I 
> listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and 
> then quote it?
>
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use word 
> 2010.  How do I find the word count?
>
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access 
> them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think 
> the professor preps too far in advance.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  2 22:41:12 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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This is a copy for the list.

Hi Lucy and all,
thanks for the responses.

Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
a big deal.

Lucy,
I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
never will.
I checked bookshare.
They do not have this book.

The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.

If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lucy Sirianni
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,

As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
questions.

First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
access them in class but will also make it much easier to
integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
version of the one assigned for your class.

Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
planning substantially.

I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

Enjoy the course!

Lucy

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi all,

I?�m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
in accomodating me.
He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
able to access that outside class with a reader among other
issues.

Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
sometimes as a whole class.

Here are my  questions and concerns though.
Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
and quotes in the story.

What ideas do you have for these issues.

1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
passages for discussion.
So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
refresh their memory where the passage came from.




Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.

2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
response or discussion board.
After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
response?
In the past, I?�ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by
hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
or I just asked my reader to read it over.
But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
he could write the feedback in the paper.

3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
them as well, and I don?�t know if I will be able to comment on
them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.

4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
text soon.

The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
my braille note first as I?�m reading.
I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
pick what I want to.  I?�ll have to think about it as I read and
copy it down as I listen.
Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
explain it and then quote it?

5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
word 2010.  How do I find the word count?

Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?�s what
I?�ve usually done.
I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
don?�t think the professor preps too far in advance.

Thanks.

Ashley
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From anjelinac at att.net  Mon Feb  2 23:15:25 2015
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:15:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Ashley, do you have access to Kurzweil?
This program is able to open. PDF files  and you can also save files as Brf format.


Anjelina
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
> I?셶e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  2 23:17:28 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 18:17:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d0059d.541d320a.7127.689c@mx.google.com>

If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20to=20y=
our=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=20fil=
e=20only.
I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=20den=
ied=20my=20
request=20to
convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=20col=
leges=20do=20
that.
This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=20ele=
ctive=20
thankfully=20so
if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20go=20=
find=20them,=20
its=20not=20such
a=20big=20deal.

Lucy,
I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20not=20=
have=20a=20=20brf=20
file=20and
never=20will.
I=20checked=20bookshare.
They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20sevent=
h=20
edition.

If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=20use.=


Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20Ashley,

As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-level=20En=
glish
instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=20few=
=20of=20your
questions.

First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=20a=20=
format=20you
can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=20all=
ow=20you=20to
access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20easier=
=20to
integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=20pas=
te=20them
into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20are=20=
available
via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=20fre=
e=20to
contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20various=20N=
orton
anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=20acce=
ssible
version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20to=20b=
e=20sent=20to
you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommodations=
=20to
request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20incon=
venience
to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-taker,=20y=
ou
shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20class,=
=20so=20the
professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=20of=
=20lesson
planning=20substantially.

I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20audio=20=
format,
so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=20but=
=20please
don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=20anyt=
hing=20else.

Enjoy=20the=20course!

Lucy

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20all,

I?=99m=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20back=
,=20I=20tried
taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20not=20=
interested
in=20accomodating=20me.
He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20would=
=20not=20be
able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20among=20o=
ther
issues.

Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20nice=20=
and
willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20class=20is=
=20very
auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20groups=
=20and
sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=20am=20=
looking=20for
it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20get=20it=
=20from=20the
publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20unfriend=
ly
though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20togethe=
r=20and
words=20are=20broken=20up=20with=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them.
But,=20I=20might=20need=20to=20try=20that=20way=20as=20I=20really=20need=20=
to=20see=20the
text=20and=20spelling=20of=20some=20words.=20=20Otherwise,=20I=20may=20have=
=20to=20pay=20a
reader=20to=20read=20some=20of=20the=20stories=20where=20Learning=20ally=20=
readers
are=20low=20quality=20or=20in=20situations=20where=20I=20need=20to=20see=20=
the=20spelling
and=20quotes=20in=20the=20story.

What=20ideas=20do=20you=20have=20for=20these=20issues.

1.=20=20The=20class=20is=20asked=20to=20bring=20their=20texts=20and=20refer=
ence
passages=20for=20discussion.
So=20far,=20the=20prof=20or=20a=20student=20reads=20the=20quotes=20to=20me.=
=20=20But=20I=20am
at=20a=20disadvantage=20not=20seeing=20the=20quotes=20in=20their=20context.=
=20=20Other
students=20can=20read=20further=20past=20the=20quote=20or=20skim=20the=20pa=
ge=20to
refresh=20their=20memory=20where=20the=20passage=20came=20from.




Do=20you=20bring=20=20an=20accessible=20copy=20of=20the=20book=20to=20class=
?=20for
instance,=20a=20brf=20file=20or=20text=20file=20on=20your=20braille=20notet=
aker.

2.=20=20We=20have=20to=20write=20about=20the=20readings=20either=20a=20read=
ing=20journal
response=20or=20discussion=20board.
After=20writing=20them,=20how=20has=20your=20professor=20given=20you=20feed=
back?
Do=20you=20ask=20for=20it=20electronically=20so=20you=20can=20read=20his/he=
r
response?
In=20the=20past,=20I?=99ve=20handed=20in=20homework=20and=20professors=20wr=
ote=20it=20by
hand=20like=20everyone=20else;=20they=20would=20go=20over=20it=20with=20me=
=20if=20I=20asked
or=20I=20just=20asked=20my=20reader=20to=20read=20it=20over.
But,=20since=20the=20prof=20does=20it=20electronically=20via=20blackboard,=
=20maybe,
he=20could=20write=20the=20feedback=20in=20the=20paper.

3.=20=20For=20the=20discussion=20boards,=20is=20that=20accessible?=20I=20us=
e=20jaws=2015.
If=20you=20had=20issues,=20what=20were=20they?=20They=20use=20blackboard=20=
and=20we
have=20to=20not=20only=20have=20to=20write=20a=20new=20post=20but=20also=20=
=20comment=20on
them=20as=20well,=20and=20I=20don?=99t=20know=20if=20I=20will=20be=20able=20=
to=20comment=20on
them.=20=20I=20know=20I=20could=20not=20years=20ago=20in=20an=20english=20c=
lass.

4.=20=20How=20do=20you=20work=20quotes=20into=20your=20reading=20responses=
=20or=20essays?
Doing=20this=20auditorily=20is=20harder=20and=20I=20hope=20I=20can=20get=20=
this=20book=20in
text=20soon.

The=20only=20way=20I=20can=20think=20of=20=20is=20to=20copy=20it=20carefull=
y=20verbatum=20on
my=20braille=20note=20first=20as=20I?=99m=20reading.
I=20cannot=20go=20back=20like=20everyone=20else=20and=20skim=20for=20quotes=
=20and=20then
pick=20what=20I=20want=20to.=20=20I?=99ll=20have=20to=20think=20about=20it=
=20as=20I=20read=20and
copy=20it=20down=20as=20I=20listen.
Is=20it=20okay=20to=20start=20a=20paragraph=20with=20the=20quote=20or=20sho=
uld=20I
explain=20it=20and=20then=20quote=20it?

5.=20=20Our=20responses=20have=20to=20be=20a=20certain=20word=20count=20or=
=20more.=20=20I=20use
word=202010.=20=20How=20do=20I=20find=20the=20word=20count?

Also=20when=20=20using=20handouts=20in=20class=20for=20activities,=20how=20=
=20do=20you
access=20them?=20Just=20use=20another=20student=20as=20a=20reader?=20That?=
=99s=20what
I?=99ve=20usually=20done.
I=20was=20considering=20trying=20to=20get=20handouts=20ahead=20of=20time,=20=
but=20I
don?=99t=20think=20the=20professor=20preps=20too=20far=20in=20advance.

Thanks.

Ashley
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To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
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for=20nabs-l:
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:00:30 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:00:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone applied for SSI?
Message-ID: <54d00fb9.4f6f320a.74ed.6c0d@mx.google.com>

Hi,
Have any of you applied for social security disability benefits 
for being blind?
Did you apply online or go to your social security office?
Also, how quickly is the process?
I would really appreciate anything you have to say about how you 
applied or anything about the system, either positive or 
negative.
Vejas


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Feb  3 00:22:27 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:22:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone applied for SSI?
In-Reply-To: <54d00fb9.4f6f320a.74ed.6c0d@mx.google.com>
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Hello, you can apply online you can apply via mail via paper forms, and you can also I believe apply in person and social security. I just remember my mom helping me fill out a packet whenever I turned 18, and meet getting the benefits. I just recently became my own payee, and all I had to do was sign one form. If somebody else, is your payee. There will be an expense report for them to fill out the end of each year. It's normally due around March or April.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Have any of you applied for social security disability benefits for being blind?
> Did you apply online or go to your social security office?
> Also, how quickly is the process?
> I would really appreciate anything you have to say about how you applied or anything about the system, either positive or negative.
> Vejas
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:46:04 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 19:46:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?脎e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?脌 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?联 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?耱l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?䏭 what
> I?脎e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?脌 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 00:48:41 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 19:48:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone applied for SSI?
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I have applied for SSI. The process is not fast at all. I went to the office, but the web forms are supposedly quite accessible. Just make sure you request your letters in Braille or in whatever format you need because this will be important when it comes to finding out the status of your case.
HTH
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Have any of you applied for social security disability benefits for being blind?
> Did you apply online or go to your social security office?
> Also, how quickly is the process?
> I would really appreciate anything you have to say about how you applied or anything about the system, either positive or negative.
> Vejas
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 01:23:34 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:23:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
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From anjelinac at att.net  Mon Feb  2 23:15:25 2015
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 18:15:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Ashley, do you have access to Kurzweil?
This program is able to open. PDF files  and you can also save files as Brf format.


Anjelina
Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
> I?셶e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  3 02:09:06 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:09:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Carl,

Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different format.
She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for security 
reasons.
They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which is adobe 
pro.
They just will not do it.
The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and fails to 
fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of it.

I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me for a lit 
class.
I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the notetaker's 
braille display hooked to the pc.
That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and placing the 
drive in the BrailleNote will work.
Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of the pc.

I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just so 
frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college. nova for 
short.

I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.

The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment and see what 
size USB drive I need to put it on.


Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
conversion services out there.

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

This is a copy for the list.

Hi Lucy and all,
thanks for the responses.

Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
request to
convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
that.
This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
thankfully so
if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
its not such
a big deal.

Lucy,
I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
file and
never will.
I checked bookshare.
They do not have this book.

The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
edition.

If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucy Sirianni
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,

As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
questions.

First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
access them in class but will also make it much easier to
integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
version of the one assigned for your class.

Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
planning substantially.

I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

Enjoy the course!

Lucy

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi all,

I?�m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
in accomodating me.
He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
able to access that outside class with a reader among other
issues.

Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
sometimes as a whole class.

Here are my  questions and concerns though.
Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
and quotes in the story.

What ideas do you have for these issues.

1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
passages for discussion.
So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
refresh their memory where the passage came from.




Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.

2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
response or discussion board.
After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
response?
In the past, I?�ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by
hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
or I just asked my reader to read it over.
But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
he could write the feedback in the paper.

3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
them as well, and I don?�t know if I will be able to comment on
them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.

4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
text soon.

The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
my braille note first as I?�m reading.
I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
pick what I want to.  I?�ll have to think about it as I read and
copy it down as I listen.
Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
explain it and then quote it?

5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
word 2010.  How do I find the word count?

Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?�s what
I?�ve usually done.
I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
don?�t think the professor preps too far in advance.

Thanks.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  3 02:19:34 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
In-Reply-To: <461D4CF6-B764-46D5-B3F4-4A1AB7912501@gmail.com>
References: <54d0059d.541d320a.7127.689c@mx.google.com>
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Aleeha!

you get it.
The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
They simply will not do it on basis of security.

You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?

Well, they have one way, and I like another.
The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
so there was no need to convert anyway.
I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.

Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she does not use
jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!

If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.

Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.

If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.


Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.


Ashley
From: Aleeha Dudley 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Cc: Ashley Bramlett 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily. 

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  This is a copy for the list.

  Hi Lucy and all,
  thanks for the responses.

  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
  a big deal.

  Lucy,
  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
  never will.
  I checked bookshare.
  They do not have this book.

  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.

  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

  Thanks.

  Ashley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lucy Sirianni
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi Ashley,

  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
  questions.

  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
  version of the one assigned for your class.

  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
  planning substantially.

  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

  Enjoy the course!

  Lucy

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi all,

  I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
  in accomodating me.
  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
  issues.

  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
  sometimes as a whole class.

  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
  But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
  text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
  reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
  are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
  and quotes in the story.

  What ideas do you have for these issues.

  1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
  passages for discussion.
  So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
  at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
  students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
  refresh their memory where the passage came from.




  Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
  instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.

  2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
  response or discussion board.
  After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
  Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
  response?
  In the past, I?脎e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
  hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
  or I just asked my reader to read it over.
  But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
  he could write the feedback in the paper.

  3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
  If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
  have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
  them as well, and I don?脌 know if I will be able to comment on
  them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.

  4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
  Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
  text soon.

  The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
  my braille note first as I?联 reading.
  I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
  pick what I want to.  I?耱l have to think about it as I read and
  copy it down as I listen.
  Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
  explain it and then quote it?

  5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
  word 2010.  How do I find the word count?

  Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
  access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?䏭 what
  I?脎e usually done.
  I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
  don?脌 think the professor preps too far in advance.

  Thanks.

  Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:22:43 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:22:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d03108.95286b0a.1ecf.79e3@mx.google.com>

So,=20like=20I=20was=20saying,=20you=20could=20convert=20it=20yourself=20th=
rough=20
robobraille.org=20or=20convertfiles.org=20or=20one=20of=20a=20number=20of=20=

different=20places.=20=20There's=20also=20a=20free=20version=20of=20adobe=20=
you=20could=20
use,=20or=20most=20modern=20web=20browsers=20can=20convert=20PDFs.=20=20Als=
o,=20the=20
BrailleNote=20has=20a=20PDF=20conversion=20utility,=20but=20it=20only=20wor=
ks=20for=20
accessible=20PDFs.=20=20Once=20you=20convert=20the=20file,=20it=20will=20al=
so=20be=20a=20
lot=20smaller,=20so=20any=20size=20flash=20drive=20will=20work.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:09:06=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Carl,

Again,=20the=20school=20denied=20my=20request=20to=20convert=20to=20a=20dif=
ferent=20
format.
She=20said=20the=20text=20comes=20in=20pdf=20and=20it=20has=20to=20stay=20t=
hat=20way=20for=20
security
reasons.
They=20are=20being=20difficult.=20They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=
=20which=20
is=20adobe
pro.
They=20just=20will=20not=20do=20it.
The=20school=20knows=20about=20the=20website=20accessibility=20=20issues=20=
too,=20and=20
fails=20to
fix=20them.=20Me=20and=20a=20blind=20staff=20member=20and=20student=20told=
=20them=20of=20
it.

I=20need=20to=20see=20the=20text.=20Learning=20ally=20is=20not=20working=20=
well=20for=20me=20
for=20a=20lit
class.
I=20do=20like=20your=20idea=20of=20the=20braille=20display.=20I=20can=20use=
=20the=20
notetaker's
braille=20display=20hooked=20to=20the=20pc.
That,=20or,=20I=20can=20see=20if=20putting=20the=20text=20file=20on=20a=20U=
SB=20drive=20and=20
placing=20the
drive=20in=20the=20BrailleNote=20will=20work.
Then=20I=20can=20read=20the=20pdf=20on=20the=20notetaker=20and=20forget=20t=
he=20step=20of=20
the=20pc.

I'll=20just=20have=20to=20see=20what=20happens=20when=20the=20file=20comes.=
=20I'm=20just=20
so
frustrated=20with=20the=20school,=20northern=20virginia=20community=20colle=
ge.=20
nova=20for
short.

I=20would=20think=20they=20=20would=20want=20to=20be=20helpful,=20not=20mak=
e=20excuses.

The=20norton=20anthology=20text=20is=20so=20big,=20I=20will=20have=20to=20e=
xperiment=20
and=20see=20what
size=20USB=20drive=20I=20need=20to=20put=20it=20on.


Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam
Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=206:17=20PM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20to=20y=
our
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=

converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=20fil=
e=20only.
I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=20den=
ied=20my
request=20to
convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=20col=
leges=20do
that.
This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=20ele=
ctive
thankfully=20so
if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20go=20=
find=20them,
its=20not=20such
a=20big=20deal.

Lucy,
I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20not=20=
have=20a=20=20brf
file=20and
never=20will.
I=20checked=20bookshare.
They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20sevent=
h
edition.

If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=20use.=


Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s
mailing=20list
Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20Ashley,

As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-level=20En=
glish
instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=20few=
=20of=20your
questions.

First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=20a=20=
format=20you
can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=20all=
ow=20you=20to
access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20easier=
=20to
integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=20pas=
te=20them
into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20are=20=
available
via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=20fre=
e=20to
contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20various=20N=
orton
anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=20acce=
ssible
version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20to=20b=
e=20sent=20to
you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommodations=
=20to
request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20incon=
venience
to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-taker,=20y=
ou
shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20class,=
=20so=20the
professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=20of=
=20lesson
planning=20substantially.

I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20audio=20=
format,
so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=20but=
=20please
don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=20anyt=
hing=20else.

Enjoy=20the=20course!

Lucy

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20all,

I?=99m=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20back=
,=20I=20tried
taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20not=20=
interested
in=20accomodating=20me.
He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20would=
=20not=20be
able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20among=20o=
ther
issues.

Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20nice=20=
and
willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20class=20is=
=20very
auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20groups=
=20and
sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=20am=20=
looking=20for
it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20get=20it=
=20from=20the
publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20unfriend=
ly
though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20togethe=
r=20and
words=20are=20broken=20up=20with=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them.
But,=20I=20might=20need=20to=20try=20that=20way=20as=20I=20really=20need=20=
to=20see=20the
text=20and=20spelling=20of=20some=20words.=20=20Otherwise,=20I=20may=20have=
=20to=20pay=20a
reader=20to=20read=20some=20of=20the=20stories=20where=20Learning=20ally=20=
readers
are=20low=20quality=20or=20in=20situations=20where=20I=20need=20to=20see=20=
the=20spelling
and=20quotes=20in=20the=20story.

What=20ideas=20do=20you=20have=20for=20these=20issues.

1.=20=20The=20class=20is=20asked=20to=20bring=20their=20texts=20and=20refer=
ence
passages=20for=20discussion.
So=20far,=20the=20prof=20or=20a=20student=20reads=20the=20quotes=20to=20me.=
=20=20But=20I=20am
at=20a=20disadvantage=20not=20seeing=20the=20quotes=20in=20their=20context.=
=20=20Other
students=20can=20read=20further=20past=20the=20quote=20or=20skim=20the=20pa=
ge=20to
refresh=20their=20memory=20where=20the=20passage=20came=20from.




Do=20you=20bring=20=20an=20accessible=20copy=20of=20the=20book=20to=20class=
?=20for
instance,=20a=20brf=20file=20or=20text=20file=20on=20your=20braille=20notet=
aker.

2.=20=20We=20have=20to=20write=20about=20the=20readings=20either=20a=20read=
ing=20journal
response=20or=20discussion=20board.
After=20writing=20them,=20how=20has=20your=20professor=20given=20you=20feed=
back?
Do=20you=20ask=20for=20it=20electronically=20so=20you=20can=20read=20his/he=
r
response?
In=20the=20past,=20I?=99ve=20handed=20in=20homework=20and=20professors=20wr=
ote=20it=20by
hand=20like=20everyone=20else;=20they=20would=20go=20over=20it=20with=20me=
=20if=20I=20asked
or=20I=20just=20asked=20my=20reader=20to=20read=20it=20over.
But,=20since=20the=20prof=20does=20it=20electronically=20via=20blackboard,=
=20maybe,
he=20could=20write=20the=20feedback=20in=20the=20paper.

3.=20=20For=20the=20discussion=20boards,=20is=20that=20accessible?=20I=20us=
e=20jaws=2015.
If=20you=20had=20issues,=20what=20were=20they?=20They=20use=20blackboard=20=
and=20we
have=20to=20not=20only=20have=20to=20write=20a=20new=20post=20but=20also=20=
=20comment=20on
them=20as=20well,=20and=20I=20don?=99t=20know=20if=20I=20will=20be=20able=20=
to=20comment=20on
them.=20=20I=20know=20I=20could=20not=20years=20ago=20in=20an=20english=20c=
lass.

4.=20=20How=20do=20you=20work=20quotes=20into=20your=20reading=20responses=
=20or=20essays?
Doing=20this=20auditorily=20is=20harder=20and=20I=20hope=20I=20can=20get=20=
this=20book=20in
text=20soon.

The=20only=20way=20I=20can=20think=20of=20=20is=20to=20copy=20it=20carefull=
y=20verbatum=20on
my=20braille=20note=20first=20as=20I?=99m=20reading.
I=20cannot=20go=20back=20like=20everyone=20else=20and=20skim=20for=20quotes=
=20and=20then
pick=20what=20I=20want=20to.=20=20I?=99ll=20have=20to=20think=20about=20it=
=20as=20I=20read=20and
copy=20it=20down=20as=20I=20listen.
Is=20it=20okay=20to=20start=20a=20paragraph=20with=20the=20quote=20or=20sho=
uld=20I
explain=20it=20and=20then=20quote=20it?

5.=20=20Our=20responses=20have=20to=20be=20a=20certain=20word=20count=20or=
=20more.=20=20I=20use
word=202010.=20=20How=20do=20I=20find=20the=20word=20count?

Also=20when=20=20using=20handouts=20in=20class=20for=20activities,=20how=20=
=20do=20you
access=20them?=20Just=20use=20another=20student=20as=20a=20reader?=20That?=
=99s=20what
I?=99ve=20usually=20done.
I=20was=20considering=20trying=20to=20get=20handouts=20ahead=20of=20time,=20=
but=20I
don?=99t=20think=20the=20professor=20preps=20too=20far=20in=20advance.

Thanks.

Ashley
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:25:32 2015
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 20:25:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
In-Reply-To: <54d03108.95286b0a.1ecf.79e3@mx.google.com>
References: <54d03108.95286b0a.1ecf.79e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8UmPbE=71vDGMnm1es7r7zuiM2B90xevNemuZVbmb2WDg@mail.gmail.com>

I have also personally used Kurzweil to convert PDF files.

Good luck

Jonathan Franks
Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students

On 2/2/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> So, like I was saying, you could convert it yourself through
> robobraille.org or convertfiles.org or one of a number of
> different places.  There's also a free version of adobe you could
> use, or most modern web browsers can convert PDFs.  Also, the
> BrailleNote has a PDF conversion utility, but it only works for
> accessible PDFs.  Once you convert the file, it will also be a
> lot smaller, so any size flash drive will work.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:09:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> Carl,
>
> Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different
> format.
> She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for
> security
> reasons.
> They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which
> is adobe
> pro.
> They just will not do it.
> The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and
> fails to
> fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of
> it.
>
> I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me
> for a lit
> class.
> I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the
> notetaker's
> braille display hooked to the pc.
> That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and
> placing the
> drive in the BrailleNote will work.
> Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of
> the pc.
>
> I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just
> so
> frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college.
> nova for
> short.
>
> I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.
>
> The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment
> and see what
> size USB drive I need to put it on.
>
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
> computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
> It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
> your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
> read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
> software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
> converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
> big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
> conversion services out there.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> This is a copy for the list.
>
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
>
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
> request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
> that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
> thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
> its not such
> a big deal.
>
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
> file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
>
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
> edition.
>
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> Hi Ashley,
>
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
>
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
>
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
>
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
>
> Enjoy the course!
>
> Lucy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
>
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
>
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
>
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
>
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
>
>
>
>
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
>
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
>
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
>
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
>
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
>
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
>
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
> I?셶e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 02:31:42 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d03327.50236b0a.5a35.363f@mx.google.com>

You're=20right=20of=20course=20that=20they=20should=20convert=20the=20file=
=20for=20you,=20
but=20the=20thing=20is,=20even=20if=20they=20do,=20that=20won't=20solve=20y=
our=20problem.
The=20OCR=20software=20Adobe=20or=20Kursweil=20or=20whatever=20uses=20to=20=
convert=20a=20
PDF=20to=20text=20has=20the=20same=20problems=20trying=20to=20figure=20out=
=20what=20
letters=20are=20in=20the=20picture=20(which=20is=20what=20a=20PDF=20is)=20a=
s=20the=20OCR=20
jaws=20uses,=20so=20you'll=20have=20the=20same=20problems=20with=20words=20=
stuck=20
together=20or=20letters=20being=20incorrect=20even=20if=20they=20convert=20=
it=20for=20
you.=20=20Occasionally=20one=20OCR=20will=20be=20better=20than=20another=20=
for=20a=20
specific=20text,=20but=20there=20isn't=20really=20one=20that=20works=20part=
icularly=20
well=20over=20all.=20=20The=20only=20way=20to=20get=20something=20that's=20=
nice=20and=20
polished=20is=20to=20have=20someone=20sit=20and=20proofread=20after=20conve=
rting,=20
which=20is=20extremely=20time=20consuming=20and=20tedious=20to=20do.=20=20S=
chools=20
should=20probably=20provide=20that=20as=20a=20service,=20but=20almost=20non=
e=20of=20
them=20do=20unfortunately.
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Aleeha!

you=20get=20it.
The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.
They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=20to=
=20convert=20
the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20format.=
=20But=20who=20
determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=20was=
=20pdf=20
files=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20=
to=20her,
so=20there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20publis=
her=20pdf=20
files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=20it=20=
speaks.

Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=20pdf=
=20files=20fine=20
when=20she=20does=20not=20use
jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=20to=20find=20out?=20No!

If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I=E2=80=99ll=20call=20a=20meeting=20=
and=20show=20them.

Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20norton=20a=
nthologies.
I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20need=20a=
=20text=20file;=20I=20
need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=20fi=
le=20to=20follow=20
along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=20it=E2=
=80=99s=20a=20struggle.=20
I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20its=20easy=20=
to=20miss=20
stuff.=20Also,=20I=E2=80=99m=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=20and=20=
places=20right=20
not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20could=20=
spell=20them=20
with=20jaws.


Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20try=20=
the=20pdf=20file=20
once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=20the=
=20pc=20to=20try=20to=20
read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.


Ashley
From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Stud=
ents=20
mailing=20list
Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Here=E2=80=99s=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20you=20=
with=20an=20
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as=20
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are=20
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.=20
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well=20
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for=20
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been=20
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and=20
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can=
=E2=80=99t=20be=20
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

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is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=
=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=
=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20=
to=20your=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=
=20file=20only.
=20=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=
=20denied=20my=20
request=20to
=20=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=
=20colleges=20do=20
that.
=20=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=
=20elective=20
thankfully=20so
=20=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20=
go=20find=20them,=20
its=20not=20such
=20=20a=20big=20deal.

=20=20Lucy,
=20=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20=
not=20have=20a=20=20brf=20
file=20and
=20=20never=20will.
=20=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20=
seventh=20
edition.

=20=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=
=20use.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley

=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing=20list
=20=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-leve=
l=20English
=20=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=
=20few=20of=20your
=20=20questions.

=20=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=
=20a=20format=20you
=20=20can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=
=20allow=20you=20
to
=20=20access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20e=
asier=20to
=20=20integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=
=20paste=20
them
=20=20into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20=
are=20
available
=20=20via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=
=20free=20to
=20=20contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20vario=
us=20Norton
=20=20anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=
=20accessible
=20=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

=20=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20=
to=20be=20sent=20
to
=20=20you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommod=
ations=20
to
=20=20request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20=

inconvenience
=20=20to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-take=
r,=20you
=20=20shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20c=
lass,=20so=20the
=20=20professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=
=20of=20lesson
=20=20planning=20substantially.

=20=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20a=
udio=20format,
=20=20so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=
=20but=20please
=20=20don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=
=20anything=20else.

=20=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20=20Lucy

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20I?=E8=81=94=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=
=20so=20back,=20I=20tried
=20=20taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20=
not=20
interested
=20=20in=20accomodating=20me.
=20=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20=
would=20not=20be
=20=20able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20amo=
ng=20other
=20=20issues.

=20=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20n=
ice=20and
=20=20willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20clas=
s=20is=20very
=20=20auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20=
groups=20and
=20=20sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

=20=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=
=20am=20looking=20for
=20=20it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20ge=
t=20it=20from=20the
=20=20publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20un=
friendly
=20=20though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20t=
ogether=20and
=20=20words=20are=20broken=20up=20with=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them=


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Feb  3 02:31:18 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:31:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
In-Reply-To: <54d03108.95286b0a.1ecf.79e3@mx.google.com>
References: <54d03108.95286b0a.1ecf.79e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6C1ABF5F-5839-4F50-8BA0-78094F183761@aol.com>

Another option I know is less favorable but will override copyright and other laws your school is probably standing on is for you to buy the book. Show them you have proof of payment and the publisher will allow you to make the necessary changes you need to the book. 
When I must use a PDFS from the publisher I buy the book and send run it through OCR or whatever I need.
I hate that someone who does not use Jaws has the nerve to say what works and what doesn't. I get it here too.
I hope you can come to a solution. It's either an audio or buy the book and that will most definitely force them to make the changes you need.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:22 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> So, like I was saying, you could convert it yourself through robobraille.org or convertfiles.org or one of a number of different places.  There's also a free version of adobe you could use, or most modern web browsers can convert PDFs.  Also, the BrailleNote has a PDF conversion utility, but it only works for accessible PDFs.  Once you convert the file, it will also be a lot smaller, so any size flash drive will work.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:09:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different format.
> She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for security
> reasons.
> They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which is adobe
> pro.
> They just will not do it.
> The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and fails to
> fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of it.
> 
> I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me for a lit
> class.
> I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the notetaker's
> braille display hooked to the pc.
> That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and placing the
> drive in the BrailleNote will work.
> Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of the pc.
> 
> I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just so
> frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college. nova for
> short.
> 
> I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.
> 
> The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment and see what
> size USB drive I need to put it on.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
> computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
> It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
> your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
> read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
> software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
> converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
> big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
> conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
> request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
> that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
> thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
> its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
> file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
> edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?™m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?™ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?™t know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?™m reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?™ll have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?™s what
> I?™ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?™t think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Feb  3 03:23:12 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 22:23:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accommodations for English classes
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS140F50806A99B5AFE2F747ABA3D0@phx.gbl>

Hello Ashley,

Have you tried looking for the individual pieces of literature found in the
anthology textbook on either BARD or Bookshare? I found this to be helpful
when taking literature classes in the past. Usually it does not matter where
you find the piece of literature because in most cases it will be the same
as what is found in the anthology textbook. In some cases, you might even be
able to find a piece of literature online as well.

Also, if I were you, I would just simply convert the PDF into a format that
is easier for you to use. You could either try saving the file as a text
file once you open the PDF file, or use other conversion methods others have
already suggested. I did just fine in my literature classes while using a
PDF copy of the anthology text book, searching for individual pieces of
literature found in the anthology textbook, and taking good notes in class.
As long as you are willing to put in the work for this class, I do not see
how you cannot be successful as well.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb  3 04:56:29 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 23:56:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
In-Reply-To: <54d03327.50236b0a.5a35.363f@mx.google.com>
References: <54d03327.50236b0a.5a35.363f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <43C7C7F48A894F059CE5EF492A7AC909@OwnerPC>

Carl,

So, if you get electronic texts, which format do you have?
Perhaps you buy it yourself from course smart or something like that.

Maybe I will have to use a website for conversion as you said.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 9:31 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

You're right of course that they should convert the file for you,
but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a
PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what
letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR
jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck
together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for
you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a
specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly
well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and
polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting,
which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools
should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of
them do unfortunately.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Aleeha!

you get it.
The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert
the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
They simply will not do it on basis of security.

You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who
determines what is accessible?
Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?

Well, they have one way, and I like another.
The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf
files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
so there was no need to convert anyway.
I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf
files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.

Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine
when she does not use
jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!

If the file fails to read, I?�ll call a meeting and show them.

Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I
need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow
along in class like everyone else.

If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it?�s a struggle.
I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss
stuff. Also, I?�m finding I cannot spell names and places right
not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them
with jaws.


Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file
once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to
read it with jaws and the braille display.


Ashley
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Here?�s the thing. The college has to provide you with an
accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as
doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are
plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you.
Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well
with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for
jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been
asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and
colleges push students around and claim that something can?�t be
done when it could very easily.

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of
Ohio
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not
the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
?�The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse?�s
ears.??- Arabian proverb

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
conversion services out there.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  This is a copy for the list.

  Hi Lucy and all,
  thanks for the responses.

  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
request to
  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
that.
  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
thankfully so
  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
its not such
  a big deal.

  Lucy,
  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
file and
  never will.
  I checked bookshare.
  They do not have this book.

  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
edition.

  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

  Thanks.

  Ashley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lucy Sirianni
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi Ashley,

  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
  questions.

  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you
to
  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste
them
  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are
available
  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
  version of the one assigned for your class.

  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent
to
  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations
to
  request and ones I routinely offer students with no
inconvenience
  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
  planning substantially.

  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

  Enjoy the course!

  Lucy

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi all,

  I???taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not
interested
  in accomodating me.
  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
  issues.

  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
  sometimes as a whole class.

  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them 



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 05:19:48 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 00:19:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d05a8a.0f6f320a.7a3e.ffff8192@mx.google.com>

I=20get=20about=20half=20my=20texts=20from=20bookshare,=20and=20I=20use=20p=
ublisher=20
files=20for=20the=20rest.=20=20I=20do=20agree=20with=20you=20that=20they=20=
suck,=20but=20me=20
converting=20them=20isn't=20really=20any=20worse=20than=20the=20school=20do=
ing=20it.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2023:56:29=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Carl,

So,=20if=20you=20get=20electronic=20texts,=20which=20format=20do=20you=20ha=
ve?
Perhaps=20you=20buy=20it=20yourself=20from=20course=20smart=20or=20somethin=
g=20like=20
that.

Maybe=20I=20will=20have=20to=20use=20a=20website=20for=20conversion=20as=20=
you=20said.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam
Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=209:31=20PM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

You're=20right=20of=20course=20that=20they=20should=20convert=20the=20file=
=20for=20you,
but=20the=20thing=20is,=20even=20if=20they=20do,=20that=20won't=20solve=20y=
our=20problem.
The=20OCR=20software=20Adobe=20or=20Kursweil=20or=20whatever=20uses=20to=20=
convert=20a
PDF=20to=20text=20has=20the=20same=20problems=20trying=20to=20figure=20out=
=20what
letters=20are=20in=20the=20picture=20(which=20is=20what=20a=20PDF=20is)=20a=
s=20the=20OCR
jaws=20uses,=20so=20you'll=20have=20the=20same=20problems=20with=20words=20=
stuck
together=20or=20letters=20being=20incorrect=20even=20if=20they=20convert=20=
it=20for
you.=20=20Occasionally=20one=20OCR=20will=20be=20better=20than=20another=20=
for=20a
specific=20text,=20but=20there=20isn't=20really=20one=20that=20works=20part=
icularly
well=20over=20all.=20=20The=20only=20way=20to=20get=20something=20that's=20=
nice=20and
polished=20is=20to=20have=20someone=20sit=20and=20proofread=20after=20conve=
rting,
which=20is=20extremely=20time=20consuming=20and=20tedious=20to=20do.=20=20S=
chools
should=20probably=20provide=20that=20as=20a=20service,=20but=20almost=20non=
e=20of
them=20do=20unfortunately.
-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Aleeha!

you=20get=20it.
The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.
They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=20to=
=20convert
the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20format.=
=20But=20who
determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=20was=
=20pdf
files=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20=
to=20her,
so=20there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20publis=
her=20pdf
files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=20it=20=
speaks.

Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=20pdf=
=20files=20fine
when=20she=20does=20not=20use
jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=20to=20find=20out?=20No!

If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I?=99ll=20call=20a=20meeting=20and=20=
show=20them.

Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20norton=20a=
nthologies.
I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20need=20a=
=20text=20file;=20I
need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=20fi=
le=20to=20follow
along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=20it?=
=99s=20a=20struggle.
I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20its=20easy=20=
to=20miss
stuff.=20Also,=20I?=99m=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=20and=20plac=
es=20right
not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20could=20=
spell=20them
with=20jaws.


Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20try=20=
the=20pdf=20file
once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=20the=
=20pc=20to=20try=20to
read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.


Ashley
From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Stud=
ents
mailing=20list
Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Here?=99s=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20you=20with=
=20an
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can?=
=99t=20be
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Bl=
ind=20of
Ohio
Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindness=20=
is=20not
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
?=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=20ho=
rse?=99s
ears.??-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=
=20nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20=
to=20your
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=

converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=
=20file=20only.
=20=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=
=20denied=20my
request=20to
=20=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=
=20colleges=20do
that.
=20=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=
=20elective
thankfully=20so
=20=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20=
go=20find=20them,
its=20not=20such
=20=20a=20big=20deal.

=20=20Lucy,
=20=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20=
not=20have=20a=20=20brf
file=20and
=20=20never=20will.
=20=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20=
seventh
edition.

=20=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=
=20use.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley

=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents
mailing=20list
=20=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-leve=
l=20English
=20=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=
=20few=20of=20your
=20=20questions.

=20=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=
=20a=20format=20you
=20=20can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=
=20allow=20you
to
=20=20access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20e=
asier=20to
=20=20integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=
=20paste
them
=20=20into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20=
are
available
=20=20via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=
=20free=20to
=20=20contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20vario=
us=20Norton
=20=20anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=
=20accessible
=20=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

=20=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20=
to=20be=20sent
to
=20=20you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommod=
ations
to
=20=20request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no
inconvenience
=20=20to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-take=
r,=20you
=20=20shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20c=
lass,=20so=20the
=20=20professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=
=20of=20lesson
=20=20planning=20substantially.

=20=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20a=
udio=20format,
=20=20so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=
=20but=20please
=20=20don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=
=20anything=20else.

=20=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20=20Lucy

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20I???taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20bac=
k,=20I=20tried
=20=20taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20=
not
interested
=20=20in=20accomodating=20me.
=20=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20=
would=20not=20be
=20=20able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20amo=
ng=20other
=20=20issues.

=20=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20n=
ice=20and
=20=20willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20clas=
s=20is=20very
=20=20auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20=
groups=20and
=20=20sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

=20=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=
=20am=20looking=20for
=20=20it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20ge=
t=20it=20from=20the
=20=20publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20un=
friendly
=20=20though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20t=
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 07:21:50 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 02:21:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Ashley, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you fight for your rights!,don't let your school tell you that they are not able to provide you with word format of your textbook! I actually have the issues that you have in my college, and I always tell them that i need the Braille copies of my English Literatures with their respective pages of the regular textbook, and the audio format of the textboik since I follow along with the Braille. And  if my advisor does not  want to do it,  I will go to the Provost of the school,  and at some cases i went to the Vice President of my college in order to fight for my rights Ashely. And i actually did  that before, and I still I'm having many issues with DSS department of  my college, specially  my DSS advisor! And when you go to the Probost oor the Vice President of the college, it does no tmean that youare going to b a trouble maker, it just means that yu are fighting for your rights since it is your education, not theirs Asheley! I hope you understand what i mean. Feel free if you want to talk tome off list ok? Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

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> On Feb 2, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
> I?셶e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 14:13:14 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:13:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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I had to use the Norton Anthology in my english classes and believe I was able to get it from Bookshare in an accessible format. Yes, the file is huge, but at least it was accessible. You should definitely research how to make a complaint about accessibility at your university. This sounds like yet another case of a college just not knowing what they are obligated to provide for their blind students. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different format.
> She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for security reasons.
> They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which is adobe pro.
> They just will not do it.
> The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and fails to fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of it.
> 
> I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me for a lit class.
> I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the notetaker's braille display hooked to the pc.
> That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and placing the drive in the BrailleNote will work.
> Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of the pc.
> 
> I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just so frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college. nova for short.
> 
> I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.
> 
> The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment and see what size USB drive I need to put it on.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
> computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
> It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
> your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
> read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
> software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
> converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
> big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
> conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
> request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
> that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
> thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
> its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
> file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
> edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
> I?셶e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 14:14:49 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:14:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Carl, 
That is not going to fix the smashed words from the publisher file. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:22 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> So, like I was saying, you could convert it yourself through robobraille.org or convertfiles.org or one of a number of different places.  There's also a free version of adobe you could use, or most modern web browsers can convert PDFs.  Also, the BrailleNote has a PDF conversion utility, but it only works for accessible PDFs.  Once you convert the file, it will also be a lot smaller, so any size flash drive will work.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:09:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Carl,
> 
> Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different format.
> She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for security
> reasons.
> They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which is adobe
> pro.
> They just will not do it.
> The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and fails to
> fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of it.
> 
> I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me for a lit
> class.
> I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the notetaker's
> braille display hooked to the pc.
> That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and placing the
> drive in the BrailleNote will work.
> Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of the pc.
> 
> I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just so
> frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college. nova for
> short.
> 
> I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.
> 
> The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment and see what
> size USB drive I need to put it on.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
> computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
> It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
> your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
> read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
> software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
> converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
> big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
> conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
> request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
> that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
> thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
> its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
> file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
> edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
> text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
> reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
> are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
> and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
> passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
> at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
> students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
> refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
> instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
> response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
> response?
> In the past, I?脎e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
> hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
> or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
> he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
> have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
> them as well, and I don?脌 know if I will be able to comment on
> them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
> text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
> my braille note first as I?联 reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
> pick what I want to.  I?耱l have to think about it as I read and
> copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
> explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
> word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
> access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?䏭 what
> I?脎e usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
> don?脌 think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 14:19:19 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
> The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Aleeha!
> 
> you get it.
> The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
> They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
> They simply will not do it on basis of security.
> 
> You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
> Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
> 
> Well, they have one way, and I like another.
> The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
> so there was no need to convert anyway.
> I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
> 
> Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she does not use
> jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
> 
> If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
> 
> Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
> I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
> 
> If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
> 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
> convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
> if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
> a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
> never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
> can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
> access them in class but will also make it much easier to
> integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
> into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
> via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
> contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
> anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
> version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
> you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
> request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
> to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
> shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
> professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
> planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
> so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
> don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
> taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
> in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
> able to access that outside class with a reader among other
> issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
> willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
> auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
> sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
> it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
> publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
> though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
> words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 14:27:21 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 09:27:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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	<06853153-EE53-4CCA-8EF3-6738B3B89468@gmail.com>
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Agreed; Under the ADA, the college is obligated to make your books accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
> The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Aleeha!
> 
> you get it.
> The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
> They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
> They simply will not do it on basis of security.
> 
> You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
> Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
> 
> Well, they have one way, and I like another.
> The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files 
> period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her, so there was no need to convert anyway.
> I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
> 
> Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when 
> she does not use jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
> 
> If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
> 
> Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
> I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
> 
> If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
> 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio 
> Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of 
> Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the 
> Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - 
> Arabian proverb
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request 
> to convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective 
> thankfully so if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go 
> find them, its not such a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file 
> and never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English 
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your 
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can 
> access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access 
> them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes 
> into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.  
> Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the 
> one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I 
> frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to 
> point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your 
> class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you 
> electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request 
> and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.  
> Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the 
> handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need 
> to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I 
> can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't 
> hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking 
> one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in 
> accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to 
> access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing 
> to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots 
> of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole 
> class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in 
> text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I 
> generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.  
> the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with 
> hyphens as jaws reads them 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Feb  3 16:22:56 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:22:56 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:30:49 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 11:30:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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cannot read due to the fact that the text is smashed together. Access means the same access to the text that other students have. Other students don’t have to read smashed words. Students do not have to wait months for their books. So we should not be any different. I my opinion, meaningful access to material does not mean, frankly, a crappy text that students 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 	I have not ever given due credit to my university, it seems, for being one of the most accessible universities I have heard of, thus far. They have a team of processors who use a combination of ABBY, adobe pro and a spell checker for all students requiring alternative media. 
> 	Anyways, Karl’s suggestions seem to be extremely good. This is why I always try to get my books through Bookshare, just in case, if the school decides that reasonable accommodation does not include awesome copies of text material. It sounds to me, anyways, that your University is simply following the law to the letter. ADA specifies reasonable accommodation–under the common interpretation, reasonable is simple access. It may not be good access, but if you have some, then you are good to go. Of course, we recognize that some access is not adequate; however, it seems that there is nothing else that you might be able to do, other than to run the files through either Robobraille, or request from Bookshare (which, at this point in the semester, will take about 2-3 months before they add it to the collection).
> IMO, PDF TXT, DOC DOCX and HTML are better than RTF; but I'm sure that is a preference thing.
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 6:27 AM
> To: 'Aleeha Dudley'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Agreed; Under the ADA, the college is obligated to make your books accessible.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text.
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
>> The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>> 
>> Aleeha!
>> 
>> you get it.
>> The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
>> They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
>> They simply will not do it on basis of security.
>> 
>> You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
>> Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
>> 
>> Well, they have one way, and I like another.
>> The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files
>> period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her, so there was no need to convert anyway.
>> I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
>> 
>> Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when
>> she does not use jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
>> 
>> If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
>> 
>> Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
>> I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
>> 
>> If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
>> 
>> 
>> Ashley
>> From: Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
>> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>> 
>> Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.
>> 
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio
>> Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of
>> Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the
>> Blind of Ohio
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” -
>> Arabian proverb
>> 
>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>> 
>> This is a copy for the list.
>> 
>> Hi Lucy and all,
>> thanks for the responses.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
>> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request
>> to convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
>> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
>> thankfully so if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go
>> find them, its not such a big deal.
>> 
>> Lucy,
>> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file
>> and never will.
>> I checked bookshare.
>> They do not have this book.
>> 
>> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
>> 
>> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
>> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lucy Sirianni
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>> 
>> Hi Ashley,
>> 
>> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
>> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
>> questions.
>> 
>> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can
>> access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access
>> them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes
>> into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.
>> Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the
>> one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I
>> frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to
>> point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your
>> class.
>> 
>> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you
>> electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request
>> and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.
>> Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the
>> handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need
>> to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
>> 
>> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I
>> can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't
>> hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
>> 
>> Enjoy the course!
>> 
>> Lucy
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking
>> one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in
>> accomodating me.
>> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to
>> access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
>> 
>> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing
>> to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots
>> of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole
>> class.
>> 
>> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
>> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in
>> text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I
>> generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.
>> the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with
>> hyphens as jaws reads them
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  3 16:46:02 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:46:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d0fb62.491e6b0a.1e34.ffffa334@mx.google.com>

True,=20though=20to=20be=20honest=20bookshare=20while=20it=20is=20an=20amaz=
ing=20
service=20often=20has=20smashed=20words=20as=20well=20not=20to=20mention=20=
the=20
chronic=20lack=20of=20page=20numbers.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20justin=20williams=20<justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,=20"National=20
Association=20ofBlind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=203=20Feb=202015=2016:22:56=20+0000
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=09I=20have=20not=20ever=20given=20due=20credit=20to=20my=20university,=20i=
t=20seems,=20
for=20being=20one=20of=20the=20most=20accessible=20universities=20I=20have=
=20
heard=20of,=20thus=20far.=20They=20have=20a=20team=20of=20processors=20who=
=20use=20a=20
combination=20of=20ABBY,=20adobe=20pro=20and=20a=20spell=20checker=20for=20=
all=20
students=20requiring=20alternative=20media.
=09Anyways,=20Karl=A1=AFs=20suggestions=20seem=20to=20be=20extremely=20good=
.=20
This=20is=20why=20I=20always=20try=20to=20get=20my=20books=20through=20Book=
share,=20
just=20in=20case,=20if=20the=20school=20decides=20that=20reasonable=20
accommodation=20does=20not=20include=20awesome=20copies=20of=20text=20
material.=20It=20sounds=20to=20me,=20anyways,=20that=20your=20University=20=
is=20
simply=20following=20the=20law=20to=20the=20letter.=20ADA=20specifies=20
reasonable=20accommodation=A8Cunder=20the=20common=20interpretation,=20
reasonable=20is=20simple=20access.=20It=20may=20not=20be=20good=20access,=20=
but=20
if=20you=20have=20some,=20then=20you=20are=20good=20to=20go.=20Of=20course,=
=20we=20
recognize=20that=20some=20access=20is=20not=20adequate;=20however,=20it=20
seems=20that=20there=20is=20nothing=20else=20that=20you=20might=20be=20able=
=20to=20
do,=20other=20than=20to=20run=20the=20files=20through=20either=20Robobraill=
e,=20
or=20request=20from=20Bookshare=20(which,=20at=20this=20point=20in=20the=20=

semester,=20will=20take=20about=202-3=20months=20before=20they=20add=20it=20=
to=20
the=20collection).
IMO,=20PDF=20TXT,=20DOC=20DOCX=20and=20HTML=20are=20better=20than=20RTF;=20=
but=20I'm=20sure=20
that=20is=20a=20preference=20thing.
________________________________________
From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20justin=20=

williams=20via=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=206:27=20AM
To:=20'Aleeha=20Dudley';=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=
=20
mailing=20list'
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Agreed;=20Under=20the=20ADA,=20the=20college=20is=20obligated=20to=20make=20=
your=20
books=20accessible.

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20nabs-l=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20
Aleeha=20Dudley=20via=20nabs-l
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=209:19=20AM
To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

They=20need=20to=20provide=20this=20as=20a=20service.=20It=20is=20part=20of=
=20their=20
obligation=20under=20the=20ADA=20to=20provide=20you=20with=20useable,=20rem=
ediated=20
text.
Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas=20Vice=20President,=20O=
hio=20
Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Associa=
tion=20
of=20Blind=20Students=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Fe=
deration=20
of=20the=20Blind=20of=20Ohio
Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com=20
<mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindness=20=
is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=A1=B0The=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=20=
horse=A1=AFs=20
ears.=A1=B1=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=209:31=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20n=
abs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20You're=20right=20of=20course=20that=20they=20should=20convert=20the=20fi=
le=20for=20
you,=20but=20the=20thing=20is,=20even=20if=20they=20do,=20that=20won't=20so=
lve=20your=20
problem.
=20The=20OCR=20software=20Adobe=20or=20Kursweil=20or=20whatever=20uses=20to=
=20convert=20a=20
PDF=20to=20text=20has=20the=20same=20problems=20trying=20to=20figure=20out=
=20what=20
letters=20are=20in=20the=20picture=20(which=20is=20what=20a=20PDF=20is)=20a=
s=20the=20OCR=20
jaws=20uses,=20so=20you'll=20have=20the=20same=20problems=20with=20words=20=
stuck=20
together=20or=20letters=20being=20incorrect=20even=20if=20they=20convert=20=
it=20for=20
you.=20=20Occasionally=20one=20OCR=20will=20be=20better=20than=20another=20=
for=20a=20
specific=20text,=20but=20there=20isn't=20really=20one=20that=20works=20part=
icularly=20
well=20over=20all.=20=20The=20only=20way=20to=20get=20something=20that's=20=
nice=20and=20
polished=20is=20to=20have=20someone=20sit=20and=20proofread=20after=20conve=
rting,=20
which=20is=20extremely=20time=20consuming=20and=20tedious=20to=20do.=20=20S=
chools=20
should=20probably=20provide=20that=20as=20a=20service,=20but=20almost=20non=
e=20of=20
them=20do=20unfortunately.
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-=
0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Aleeha!

=20you=20get=20it.
=20The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.
=20They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=20=
to=20convert=20
the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
=20They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

=20You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20forma=
t.=20But=20who=20
determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
=20Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

=20Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
=20The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=20=
was=20pdf=20
files
=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20to=20=
her,=20so=20
there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
=20I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20pub=
lisher=20pdf=20
files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=20it=20=
speaks.

=20Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=20p=
df=20files=20fine=20
when
=20she=20does=20not=20use=20jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=
=20to=20find=20
out?=20No!

=20If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I=A1=AFll=20call=20a=20meeting=20=
and=20show=20them.

=20Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20norton=
=20anthologies.
=20I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20need=20=
a=20text=20file;=20
I=20need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=
=20file=20to=20
follow=20along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

=20If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=20i=
t=A1=AFs=20a=20
struggle.=20I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20=
its=20easy=20to=20
miss=20stuff.=20Also,=20I=A1=AFm=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=20a=
nd=20places=20
right=20not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20=
could=20spell=20
them=20with=20jaws.


=20Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20try=
=20the=20pdf=20
file=20once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=
=20the=20pc=20to=20
try=20to=20read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.


=20Ashley
=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing
=20list
=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Here=A1=AFs=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20you=20=
with=20an=20
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as=20
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are=20
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.=20
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well=20
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for=20
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been=20
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and=20
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can=
=A1=AFt=20be=20
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas=20Vice=20President,=
=20Ohio
=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Asso=
ciation=20
of
=20Blind=20Students=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Fede=
ration=20
of=20the
=20Blind=20of=20Ohio
=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindnes=
s=20is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=20=A1=B0The=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=
=20horse=A1=AFs=20
ears.=A1=B1=20-
=20Arabian=20proverb

=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20n=
abs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20to=
=20your=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-=
0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=20=
file=20only.
=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=20=
denied=20my=20
request
=20to=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20oth=
er=20colleges=20
do=20that.
=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=20=
elective
=20thankfully=20so=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=
=20I=20cannot=20
go
=20find=20them,=20its=20not=20such=20a=20big=20deal.

=20Lucy,
=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20no=
t=20have=20a=20=20brf=20
file
=20and=20never=20will.
=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20sev=
enth=20
edition.

=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=20u=
se.

=20Thanks.

=20Ashley

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Stud=
ents=20
mailing
=20list
=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-level=20=
English
=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=20f=
ew=20of=20your
=20questions.

=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=20a=
=20format=20you=20
can
=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=20allow=
=20you=20to=20
access
=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20easier=20to=20=
integrate=20
quotes
=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=20paste=20them=20into=20=
your=20
analysis.
=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20are=20available=20via=20Booksha=
re.=20=20If=20
the
=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=20free=20to=20contact=20me=20direct=
ly,=20as=20I
=20frequently=20teach=20from=20various=20Norton=20anthologies=20and=20may=20=
be=20able=20
to
=20point=20you=20toward=20an=20accessible=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assi=
gned=20for=20
your
=20class.

=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20to=
=20be=20sent=20to=20
you
=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommodations=20=
to=20
request
=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20inconvenienc=
e=20to=20
myself.
=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-taker,=20you=20shouldn't=
=20need=20the
=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20class,=20so=20the=20professor=
=20shouldn't=20
need
=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=20of=20lesson=20planning=20substa=
ntially.

=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20audi=
o=20format,=20
so=20I
=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=20but=20ple=
ase=20don't
=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=20anything=
=20else.

=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Hi=20all,

=20I?=C1=AA=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20=
back,=20I=20tried=20
taking
=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20not=20inter=
ested=20in
=20accomodating=20me.
=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20wou=
ld=20not=20be=20
able=20to
=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20among=20other=20is=
sues.

=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20nice=
=20and=20
willing
=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20class=20is=20very=
=20auditory=20with=20
lots
=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20groups=20and=20sometimes=20a=
s=20a=20
whole
=20class.

=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=20a=
m=20looking=20for=20
it=20in
=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20get=20it=20from=
=20the=20
publisher.=20=20I
=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20unfriendly=20though=20as=
=20its=20
pdf.
=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20and=20words=20are=20bro=
ken=20up=20
with
=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them
=20_______________________________________________
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ccount=20
info=20for=20nabs-l:
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Feb  3 20:44:32 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 14:44:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] (Press release on NLS transition to Unified English
	Braille)
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>
>The Library of Congress issued the following 
>press release on January 16, 2015. It is provided for your use and information.
>
>Braille and Talking-Book Program Embraces New Braille Code
>Unified English Braille Makes Print-to-Braille Translation Easier
>
>The National Library Service for the Blind and 
>Physically Handicapped (NLS), part of the 
>Library of Congress, next year will implement 
>the Unified English Braille (UEB) code on Jan. 
>4, 2016—the 207th birthday of Louis Braille.
>
>“This is the first extensive change to the 
>English braille code, a major literacy tool, 
>since the 1930s,” said NLS Director Karen 
>Keninger. “The new code will be especially 
>beneficial to students and other users of 
>technology. It resolves persistent translation 
>errors that occur when, for example, a student’s 
>work is translated to print for a teacher to 
>read, or when print material is translated to 
>braille.” Those who use computers, smartphones, 
>e-books and texting features will find it very useful.
>
>The code, which has been adopted by seven other 
>English-speaking countries, brings the braille 
>code into the computer age. “UEB is not much 
>different from the English Braille American 
>Edition that we’ve been using,” Keninger said. 
>UEB uses the same six-dot cell pattern as the 
>present code, but drops some contractions, uses 
>different spacing rules and allows for 
>transliterating a wider array of symbols.
>
>The Braille Authority of North America 
>(BANA)—which oversees the use, teaching and 
>production of braille in the United 
>States—adopted the code in November 2012. It 
>then began preparing constituents for the change 
>to ensure implementation in 2016. “Since many 
>BANA members produce braille or transcribe 
>braille, the NLS announcement will not be a 
>surprise. They have already been preparing,” 
>said Judy Dixon, NLS consumer relations officer and NLS representative to BANA.
>
>Beginning Jan. 4, 2016, all books added to the 
>braille collection will be produced in UEB. 
>“Current patrons should make the transition 
>easily as the new code builds on the old 
>system,” said Keninger. Existing braille books 
>will remain in the collection and be available. 
>The UEB books are not expected to be available 
>from the collection for at least six months. 
>Patrons will not need to change their equipment.
>
>NLS administers the braille and talking-book 
>program, a free library service available to 
>U.S. residents and American citizens living 
>abroad whose low vision, blindness or physical 
>disability makes reading regular materials 
>difficult. Through its national network of 
>libraries, NLS mails books and magazines in 
>audio and braille formats and digital audio 
>equipment directly to enrollees at no cost. 
>Music instructional materials are also 
>available. Selected materials may be downloaded. 
>For more information, visit 
>www.loc.gov/nls/<http://www.loc.gov/nls/> or 
>call 1-888-NLS-READ (1-888-657-7323).
>
>The Library of Congress, the nation’s oldest 
>federal cultural institution and the largest 
>library in the world, holds more than 158 
>million items in various languages, disciplines 
>and formats. The Library serves the U.S. 
>Congress and the nation both on-site in its 
>reading rooms on Capitol Hill and through its 
>award-winning website at www.loc.gov<http://www.loc.gov>.
>
>###
>For more information contact:
>Jane Caulton
>Head, Publications and Media Section
>jcau at loc.gov<mailto:jcau at loc.gov>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Feb  3 19:38:01 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 14:38:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Karl,
I will respect your opinion but, choose to disagree. Every book I have ever used from bookshare has been accessible including Norton Anthologies. I do not have a problem with words smashed together as seen In a PDF with a screen reader and all of my page numbers are announced. Perhaps it is because I use the bookshare app? 
I am not sure. 
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 3, 27 Heisei, at 11:46 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> True, though to be honest bookshare while it is an amazing service often has smashed words as well not to mention the chronic lack of page numbers.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>, "National Association ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:22:56 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>    I have not ever given due credit to my university, it seems, for being one of the most accessible universities I have heard of, thus far. They have a team of processors who use a combination of ABBY, adobe pro and a spell checker for all students requiring alternative media.
>    Anyways, Karl¡¯s suggestions seem to be extremely good. This is why I always try to get my books through Bookshare, just in case, if the school decides that reasonable accommodation does not include awesome copies of text material. It sounds to me, anyways, that your University is simply following the law to the letter. ADA specifies reasonable accommodation¨Cunder the common interpretation, reasonable is simple access. It may not be good access, but if you have some, then you are good to go. Of course, we recognize that some access is not adequate; however, it seems that there is nothing else that you might be able to do, other than to run the files through either Robobraille, or request from Bookshare (which, at this point in the semester, will take about 2-3 months before they add it to the collection).
> IMO, PDF TXT, DOC DOCX and HTML are better than RTF; but I'm sure that is a preference thing.
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of justin williams via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 6:27 AM
> To: 'Aleeha Dudley'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Agreed; Under the ADA, the college is obligated to make your books accessible.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text.
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> ¡°The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse¡¯s ears.¡± - Arabian proverb
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
> The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Aleeha!
> 
> you get it.
> The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
> They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
> They simply will not do it on basis of security.
> 
> You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
> Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
> 
> Well, they have one way, and I like another.
> The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files
> period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her, so there was no need to convert anyway.
> I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
> 
> Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when
> she does not use jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
> 
> If the file fails to read, I¡¯ll call a meeting and show them.
> 
> Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
> I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
> 
> If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it¡¯s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I¡¯m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
> 
> 
> Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
> 
> 
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Here¡¯s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can¡¯t be done when it could very easily.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio
> Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of
> Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the
> Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> ¡°The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse¡¯s ears.¡± -
> Arabian proverb
> 
> On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> This is a copy for the list.
> 
> Hi Lucy and all,
> thanks for the responses.
> 
> Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
> I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request
> to convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
> This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
> thankfully so if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go
> find them, its not such a big deal.
> 
> Lucy,
> I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file
> and never will.
> I checked bookshare.
> They do not have this book.
> 
> The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
> If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
> Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lucy Sirianni
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
> instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
> questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can
> access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access
> them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes
> into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.
> Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the
> one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I
> frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to
> point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your
> class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you
> electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request
> and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.
> Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the
> handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need
> to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I
> can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't
> hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?Áª taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking
> one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in
> accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to
> access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing
> to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots
> of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole
> class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in
> text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I
> generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.
> the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with
> hyphens as jaws reads them
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 00:05:07 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:05:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Aleeha,

I’m glad to hear you got what you need. Anthologies are common in literature courses.

Wow, it seems like I’m the only one without accessible text.
I haven’t used bookshare, but I can via my school account if I need it.

Bookshare does not have my text. The book is Norton Anthology of Short Fiction.
They have a few norton anthologies when I searched but not this one.

I wish learning ally books spelled the names. I will have to either ask a reader for the spelling of names or ask a student in class.
Maybe I will ask a good classmate or two for that. I can only see my reader when she has time in her schedule.
I want to turn in quality work. I hate misspellings. I always edit my work even homework before turning it in.
Yet due to the nature of auditory learning, I cannot spell some of these names. I sound it out the best I can and make an educated guess.
For instance in the story Lost at C, I was not able to spell a few of the teachers’ names. I did preview it with a reader and asked her to skim for names and spell them. We got several down. But failed to catch the teachers he discussed because those fell later in the story.

I would imagine finding dialogue and spelling names is problematic for anyone doing it auditorily.
I guess those blind students before electronic text came out had issues like this.
You students with accessible electronic text are lucky.
I never had much need for the daisy text of bookshare because I can learn fine with most texts auditorily; besides, bookshare rarely had my textbooks anyway. However, I will add that I only took a few literature classes at college.
I have done college work with audio books and the very old fashioned human reader.
I had to research, and there is no way print is accessible without a reader.


I think I either will have to guess the spellings or ask a classmate. I guess I can note pages that have the names I need and ask students.
I have a meeting to with the professor tomorrow. I can ask him about grading as he did not explain it well; I  will ask him if he takes off for spellings.
If he says yes, I will go back and revise my homework if he lets me.

I agree the college simply does not know their obligationn.
I do not know how to make a complaint though.

So does your college provide accessible electronic texts?

Ashley
They claim giving me electronic text is accomodating me, even though I explained that jaws may or may not read that format.
I said other colleges do  convert  things for students which made no difference.


From: Aleeha Dudley 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:13 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

I had to use the Norton Anthology in my english classes and believe I was able to get it from Bookshare in an accessible format. Yes, the file is huge, but at least it was accessible. You should definitely research how to make a complaint about accessibility at your university. This sounds like yet another case of a college just not knowing what they are obligated to provide for their blind students. 

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Carl,

  Again, the school denied my request to convert to a different format.
  She said the text comes in pdf and it has to stay that way for security reasons.
  They are being difficult. They have the conversion software which is adobe pro.
  They just will not do it.
  The school knows about the website accessibility  issues too, and fails to fix them. Me and a blind staff member and student told them of it.

  I need to see the text. Learning ally is not working well for me for a lit class.
  I do like your idea of the braille display. I can use the notetaker's braille display hooked to the pc.
  That, or, I can see if putting the text file on a USB drive and placing the drive in the BrailleNote will work.
  Then I can read the pdf on the notetaker and forget the step of the pc.

  I'll just have to see what happens when the file comes. I'm just so frustrated with the school, northern virginia community college. nova for short.

  I would think they  would want to be helpful, not make excuses.

  The norton anthology text is so big, I will have to experiment and see what size USB drive I need to put it on.


  Ashley

  -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 6:17 PM
  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your
  computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.
  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect
  your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or
  read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion
  software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway,
  converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a
  big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other
  conversion services out there.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  This is a copy for the list.

  Hi Lucy and all,
  thanks for the responses.

  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my
  request to
  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do
  that.
  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective
  thankfully so
  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them,
  its not such
  a big deal.

  Lucy,
  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf
  file and
  never will.
  I checked bookshare.
  They do not have this book.

  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh
  edition.

  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

  Thanks.

  Ashley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lucy Sirianni
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
  mailing list
  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi Ashley,

  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
  questions.

  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
  version of the one assigned for your class.

  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
  planning substantially.

  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

  Enjoy the course!

  Lucy

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi all,

  I?셫 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
  in accomodating me.
  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
  issues.

  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
  sometimes as a whole class.

  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
  But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the
  text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a
  reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers
  are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling
  and quotes in the story.

  What ideas do you have for these issues.

  1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference
  passages for discussion.
  So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am
  at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other
  students can read further past the quote or skim the page to
  refresh their memory where the passage came from.




  Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for
  instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.

  2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal
  response or discussion board.
  After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
  Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her
  response?
  In the past, I?셶e handed in homework and professors wrote it by
  hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked
  or I just asked my reader to read it over.
  But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe,
  he could write the feedback in the paper.

  3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
  If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we
  have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on
  them as well, and I don?셳 know if I will be able to comment on
  them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.

  4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
  Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in
  text soon.

  The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on
  my braille note first as I?셫 reading.
  I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then
  pick what I want to.  I?셪l have to think about it as I read and
  copy it down as I listen.
  Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I
  explain it and then quote it?

  5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use
  word 2010.  How do I find the word count?

  Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you
  access them? Just use another student as a reader? That?셲 what
  I?셶e usually done.
  I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I
  don?셳 think the professor preps too far in advance.

  Thanks.

  Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 00:20:08 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:20:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi,

Well, Alleha and many of you state they are required to provide accessible texts.
Which laws is that under? If ADA, which part, like which title?

And their excuse is they cannot convert files due to security.
I’m wondering what arguments I can make to combat such nonsense.

Meanwhile, I’ll just listen closely in class and participate in discussions best I can.
Most of it is our opinions and open ended questions without seeing the text anyway.
I enjoy discussions and hearing others’ opinions.
In the absence of a book like everyone else has, I will have to ask someone to read me the quotes.
I will also ask my professor to read sample student work with punctuation.
He puts that up on the overhead or board for us to critique it. Although he read it aloud last time, he did not read punctuation, so I felt left out.
Everyone else commented on punctuation, and I could not do that.

Glad for all the suggestions.

Ashley
From: Aleeha Dudley 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Cc: Ashley Bramlett 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text. 

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
  The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Aleeha!

  you get it.
  The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
  They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
  They simply will not do it on basis of security.

  You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
  Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?

  Well, they have one way, and I like another.
  The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
  so there was no need to convert anyway.
  I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.

  Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she does not use
  jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!

  If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.

  Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
  I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.

  If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.


  Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.


  Ashley
  From: Aleeha Dudley
  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
  To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Cc: Ashley Bramlett
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.

  Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
  Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
  Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
  Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
  Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
  The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
  “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb

  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  This is a copy for the list.

  Hi Lucy and all,
  thanks for the responses.

  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
  a big deal.

  Lucy,
  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
  never will.
  I checked bookshare.
  They do not have this book.

  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.

  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.

  Thanks.

  Ashley

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Lucy Sirianni
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi Ashley,

  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
  questions.

  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
  version of the one assigned for your class.

  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
  planning substantially.

  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.

  Enjoy the course!

  Lucy

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

  Hi all,

  I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
  in accomodating me.
  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
  issues.

  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
  sometimes as a whole class.

  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 00:26:53 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 16:26:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Social-sciences-list] new Blind R Users Group email
	list
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This might be relevant to stats students who want to use R.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Godfrey, Jonathan via Social-sciences-list"
<social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 07:27:20 +0000
Subject: [Social-sciences-list] new Blind R Users Group email list
To: Blind Social Scientists List <social-sciences-list at nfbnet.org>

Hello all,

I have just established a new email list for those interested in using
R as a blind person. I see requests coming through a number of current
NFB-hosted lists that I feel I need to respond to as well as others
that come directly to me. Keeping  track of a lot of lists is proving
a little time-consuming for me personally, and to be honest, I'm
getting quite distracted by interesting but less relevant discussions.
I love helping people with finding solutions though so wanted a more
dedicated list to focus my attention. It's time we started working as
a group of people more and more so that we all (me included) can get
the best out of R now and into the future.

I'm pleased that Dave Andrews who takes care of the NFB's numerous
lists has consented to establishing this list. It feels quite fitting
as a great deal of the exposure I've had as a blind academic has come
through my participation in NFB lists.

Many geographic communities establish R User Groups (RUGs) but our
numbers don't warrant thinking geographically. I think a list is a
good start but one day we might work out how to do smarter things for
meeting up (physically or virtually).

I now invite you to join the new list by sending a message to:
BlindRUG-request at nfbnet.org<mailto:BlindRUG-request at nfbnet.org>
with the single word:
                subscribe
in the subject line. You will be sent a confirmation message to the
address from which the message was sent within a few minutes. Simply
reply to that confirmation message and wait for the initial welcome
message with the standard list admin notes and a few initial pointers.

Alternatively, go to

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindrug_nfbnet.org
and sign up there.

Cheers,
Jonathan


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 00:53:44 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:53:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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	<88431DE9AF0F448199FC2EF68E5ADAD6@OwnerPC>
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Hi Ashley and all!I think I find a way in how to solve Ashley's problem regarding her textbook! Ashley, have you considering in purchasing the KNFB Reader app for your iPhone in order to take a picture of the reading that you need to read and save it in a word format, and then send it to yoru email so that you can read it with your BrailleNote in class? I'm just wondering! I would like to hear your opinion regarding this guys.  What do you all think about this idea? In fact, Ashley, the app only costs 50 dollars, and i think it is worth it! to buy! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Feb 3, 2015, at 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, Alleha and many of you state they are required to provide accessible texts.
> Which laws is that under? If ADA, which part, like which title?
> 
> And their excuse is they cannot convert files due to security.
> I’m wondering what arguments I can make to combat such nonsense.
> 
> Meanwhile, I’ll just listen closely in class and participate in discussions best I can.
> Most of it is our opinions and open ended questions without seeing the text anyway.
> I enjoy discussions and hearing others’ opinions.
> In the absence of a book like everyone else has, I will have to ask someone to read me the quotes.
> I will also ask my professor to read sample student work with punctuation.
> He puts that up on the overhead or board for us to critique it. Although he read it aloud last time, he did not read punctuation, so I felt left out.
> Everyone else commented on punctuation, and I could not do that.
> 
> Glad for all the suggestions.
> 
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text. 
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
>  The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Aleeha!
> 
>  you get it.
>  The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
>  They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
>  They simply will not do it on basis of security.
> 
>  You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
>  Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
> 
>  Well, they have one way, and I like another.
>  The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
>  so there was no need to convert anyway.
>  I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
> 
>  Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she does not use
>  jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
> 
>  If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
> 
>  Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
>  I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
> 
>  If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
> 
> 
>  Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
> 
> 
>  Ashley
>  From: Aleeha Dudley
>  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
>  To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.
> 
>  Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>  Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>  Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>  The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>  “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
> 
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  This is a copy for the list.
> 
>  Hi Lucy and all,
>  thanks for the responses.
> 
>  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
>  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
>  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
>  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
>  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
>  a big deal.
> 
>  Lucy,
>  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
>  never will.
>  I checked bookshare.
>  They do not have this book.
> 
>  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
>  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
>  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  Ashley
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Lucy Sirianni
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
>  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Hi Ashley,
> 
>  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
>  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
>  questions.
> 
>  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
>  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
>  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
>  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
>  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
>  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
>  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
>  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
>  version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
>  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
>  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
>  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
>  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
>  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
>  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
>  planning substantially.
> 
>  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
>  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
>  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
>  Enjoy the course!
> 
>  Lucy
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
>  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
>  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
>  in accomodating me.
>  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
>  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
>  issues.
> 
>  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
>  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
>  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
>  sometimes as a whole class.
> 
>  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
>  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
>  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
>  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
>  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
>  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them
>  _______________________________________________
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 00:57:01 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:57:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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I don't think it's crazy to ask him to read punctuation. I would ask again. It's really hard to know for sure what punctuation is used just by hearing unless you have a solid reader and let's face it he is not. 
I think we hit a gray area with publishers. To my understanding I believe I stated it before, colleges are required to provide an alternative format once the student has payed for the book.
The laws are both section 504 of the rehabilitation act and the ADA.
Maybe someone can find something more credible. 
Check out this link.
http://www.disabilityrightsca.org/pubs/530901.pdf
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 3, 27 Heisei, at 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Well, Alleha and many of you state they are required to provide accessible texts.
> Which laws is that under? If ADA, which part, like which title?
> 
> And their excuse is they cannot convert files due to security.
> I’m wondering what arguments I can make to combat such nonsense.
> 
> Meanwhile, I’ll just listen closely in class and participate in discussions best I can.
> Most of it is our opinions and open ended questions without seeing the text anyway.
> I enjoy discussions and hearing others’ opinions.
> In the absence of a book like everyone else has, I will have to ask someone to read me the quotes.
> I will also ask my professor to read sample student work with punctuation.
> He puts that up on the overhead or board for us to critique it. Although he read it aloud last time, he did not read punctuation, so I felt left out.
> Everyone else commented on punctuation, and I could not do that.
> 
> Glad for all the suggestions.
> 
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text. 
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
>  The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Aleeha!
> 
>  you get it.
>  The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
>  They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the publisher file to a text format like RTF.
>  They simply will not do it on basis of security.
> 
>  You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who determines what is accessible?
>  Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
> 
>  Well, they have one way, and I like another.
>  The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
>  so there was no need to convert anyway.
>  I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
> 
>  Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she does not use
>  jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
> 
>  If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
> 
>  Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
>  I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class like everyone else.
> 
>  If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text file, I could spell them with jaws.
> 
> 
>  Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with jaws and the braille display.
> 
> 
>  Ashley
>  From: Aleeha Dudley
>  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
>  To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when it could very easily.
> 
>  Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>  Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>  Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>  The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>  “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
> 
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion services out there.
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  This is a copy for the list.
> 
>  Hi Lucy and all,
>  thanks for the responses.
> 
>  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
>  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
>  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
>  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully so
>  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not such
>  a big deal.
> 
>  Lucy,
>  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
>  never will.
>  I checked bookshare.
>  They do not have this book.
> 
>  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
> 
>  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
>  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  Ashley
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Lucy Sirianni
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
>  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Hi Ashley,
> 
>  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
>  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
>  questions.
> 
>  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
>  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
>  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
>  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
>  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
>  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
>  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
>  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
>  version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
>  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
>  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
>  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
>  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
>  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
>  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
>  planning substantially.
> 
>  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
>  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
>  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
>  Enjoy the course!
> 
>  Lucy
> 
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
>  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
>  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
>  in accomodating me.
>  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
>  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
>  issues.
> 
>  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
>  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
>  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
>  sometimes as a whole class.
> 
>  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
>  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
>  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
>  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
>  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
>  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them
>  _______________________________________________
>  nabs-l mailing list
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 01:55:06 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 20:55:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <54d17c12.126c320a.538f.ffffd4e6@mx.google.com>

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=20with=20
about=20the=20same=20quality=20as=20the=20PDF=20that=20Ashley=20is=20compla=
ining=20
about.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Helga=20Schreiber=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,National=20
Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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=20On=20Feb=203,=202015,=20at=207:20=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs=
-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi,

=20Well,=20Alleha=20and=20many=20of=20you=20state=20they=20are=20required=20=
to=20provide=20
accessible=20texts.
=20Which=20laws=20is=20that=20under?=20If=20ADA,=20which=20part,=20like=20w=
hich=20title?

=20And=20their=20excuse=20is=20they=20cannot=20convert=20files=20due=20to=20=
security.
=20I=E2=80=99m=20wondering=20what=20arguments=20I=20can=20make=20to=20comba=
t=20such=20
nonsense.

=20Meanwhile,=20I=E2=80=99ll=20just=20listen=20closely=20in=20class=20and=20=
participate=20
in=20discussions=20best=20I=20can.
=20Most=20of=20it=20is=20our=20opinions=20and=20open=20ended=20questions=20=
without=20
seeing=20the=20text=20anyway.
=20I=20enjoy=20discussions=20and=20hearing=20others=E2=80=99=20opinions.
=20In=20the=20absence=20of=20a=20book=20like=20everyone=20else=20has,=20I=20=
will=20have=20to=20
ask=20someone=20to=20read=20me=20the=20quotes.
=20I=20will=20also=20ask=20my=20professor=20to=20read=20sample=20student=20=
work=20with=20
punctuation.
=20He=20puts=20that=20up=20on=20the=20overhead=20or=20board=20for=20us=20to=
=20critique=20it.=20
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so=20I=20felt=20left=20out.
=20Everyone=20else=20commented=20on=20punctuation,=20and=20I=20could=20not=
=20do=20that.

=20Glad=20for=20all=20the=20suggestions.

=20Ashley
=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=209:19=20AM
=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing=20list
=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

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text.

=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
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=20nabs-l=20
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=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
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=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Aleeha!

=20=20you=20get=20it.
=20=20The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.=

=20=20They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=
=20to=20
convert=20the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
=20=20They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

=20=20You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20fo=
rmat.=20But=20
who=20determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
=20=20Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

=20=20Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
=20=20The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=
=20was=20pdf=20
files=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20=
to=20her,
=20=20so=20there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
=20=20I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20=
publisher=20
pdf=20files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=
=20it=20
speaks.

=20=20Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=
=20pdf=20files=20fine=20
when=20she=20does=20not=20use
=20=20jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=20to=20find=20out?=20=
No!

=20=20If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I=E2=80=99ll=20call=20a=20meet=
ing=20and=20show=20them.

=20=20Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20nort=
on=20
anthologies.
=20=20I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20nee=
d=20a=20text=20file;=20
I=20need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=
=20file=20to=20
follow=20along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

=20=20If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=
=20it=E2=80=99s=20a=20
struggle.=20I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20=
its=20easy=20to=20
miss=20stuff.=20Also,=20I=E2=80=99m=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=
=20and=20places=20
right=20not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20=
could=20spell=20
them=20with=20jaws.


=20=20Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20=
try=20the=20pdf=20
file=20once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=
=20the=20pc=20to=20
try=20to=20read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.


=20=20Ashley
=20=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20=20Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
=20=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=
=20Students=20
mailing=20list
=20=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Here=E2=80=99s=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20=
you=20with=20an=20
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as=20
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are=20
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.=20
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well=20
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for=20
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been=20
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and=20
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can=
=E2=80=99t=20be=20
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

=20=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
=20=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
=20=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20th=
e=20Blind=20of=20
Ohio
=20=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blind=
ness=20is=20
not=20the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20E=
very=20day=20
we=20raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20
expectations=20create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20=

dreams.=20You=20can=20live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20no=
t=20what=20
holds=20you=20back.
=20=20=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20betwe=
en=20a=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=
=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20=
to=20your=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=
=20file=20only.
=20=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=
=20denied=20my=20
request=20to
=20=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=
=20colleges=20do=20
that.
=20=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=
=20elective=20
thankfully=20so
=20=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20=
go=20find=20them,=20
its=20not=20such
=20=20a=20big=20deal.

=20=20Lucy,
=20=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20=
not=20have=20a=20=20brf=20
file=20and
=20=20never=20will.
=20=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20=
seventh=20
edition.

=20=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=
=20use.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley

=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing=20list
=20=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-leve=
l=20English
=20=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=
=20few=20of=20your
=20=20questions.

=20=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=
=20a=20format=20you
=20=20can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=
=20allow=20you=20
to
=20=20access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20e=
asier=20to
=20=20integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=
=20paste=20
them
=20=20into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20=
are=20
available
=20=20via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=
=20free=20to
=20=20contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20vario=
us=20Norton
=20=20anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=
=20accessible
=20=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

=20=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20=
to=20be=20sent=20
to
=20=20you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommod=
ations=20
to
=20=20request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20=

inconvenience
=20=20to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-take=
r,=20you
=20=20shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20c=
lass,=20so=20the
=20=20professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=
=20of=20lesson
=20=20planning=20substantially.

=20=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20a=
udio=20format,
=20=20so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=
=20but=20please
=20=20don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=
=20anything=20else.

=20=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20=20Lucy

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20I?=E8=81=94=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=
=20so=20back,=20I=20tried
=20=20taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20=
not=20
interested
=20=20in=20accomodating=20me.
=20=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20=
would=20not=20be
=20=20able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20amo=
ng=20other
=20=20issues.

=20=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20n=
ice=20and
=20=20willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20clas=
s=20is=20very
=20=20auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20=
groups=20and
=20=20sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

=20=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=
=20am=20looking=20for
=20=20it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20ge=
t=20it=20from=20the
=20=20publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20un=
friendly
=20=20though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20t=
ogether=20and
=20=20words=20are=20broken=20up=20with=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them=

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=20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=
=20account=20
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=20=20
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Feb  4 06:03:44 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 01:03:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Bridget,

I agree. I will ask him to read punctuation. I think he will agree.
I'll know after the meeting today.
I assume your instructors do that. and, yeah, he isn't the greatest reader 
since a good reader pauses more for commas.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 7:57 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

I don't think it's crazy to ask him to read punctuation. I would ask again. 
It's really hard to know for sure what punctuation is used just by hearing 
unless you have a solid reader and let's face it he is not.
I think we hit a gray area with publishers. To my understanding I believe I 
stated it before, colleges are required to provide an alternative format 
once the student has payed for the book.
The laws are both section 504 of the rehabilitation act and the ADA.
Maybe someone can find something more credible.
Check out this link.
http://www.disabilityrightsca.org/pubs/530901.pdf
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 3, 27 Heisei, at 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Well, Alleha and many of you state they are required to provide accessible 
> texts.
> Which laws is that under? If ADA, which part, like which title?
>
> And their excuse is they cannot convert files due to security.
> I’m wondering what arguments I can make to combat such nonsense.
>
> Meanwhile, I’ll just listen closely in class and participate in 
> discussions best I can.
> Most of it is our opinions and open ended questions without seeing the 
> text anyway.
> I enjoy discussions and hearing others’ opinions.
> In the absence of a book like everyone else has, I will have to ask 
> someone to read me the quotes.
> I will also ask my professor to read sample student work with punctuation.
> He puts that up on the overhead or board for us to critique it. Although 
> he read it aloud last time, he did not read punctuation, so I felt left 
> out.
> Everyone else commented on punctuation, and I could not do that.
>
> Glad for all the suggestions.
>
> Ashley
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2015 9:19 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
> They need to provide this as a service. It is part of their obligation 
> under the ADA to provide you with useable, remediated text.
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
> proverb
>
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  You're right of course that they should convert the file for you, but the 
> thing is, even if they do, that won't solve your problem.
>  The OCR software Adobe or Kursweil or whatever uses to convert a PDF to 
> text has the same problems trying to figure out what letters are in the 
> picture (which is what a PDF is) as the OCR jaws uses, so you'll have the 
> same problems with words stuck together or letters being incorrect even if 
> they convert it for you.  Occasionally one OCR will be better than another 
> for a specific text, but there isn't really one that works particularly 
> well over all.  The only way to get something that's nice and polished is 
> to have someone sit and proofread after converting, which is extremely 
> time consuming and tedious to do.  Schools should probably provide that as 
> a service, but almost none of them do unfortunately.
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 21:19:34 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
>  Aleeha!
>
>  you get it.
>  The school, Nova, simply pushes me and others around.
>  They have the conversion software to honor my request to convert the 
> publisher file to a text format like RTF.
>  They simply will not do it on basis of security.
>
>  You are right they have to provide an accessible format. But who 
> determines what is accessible?
>  Who determines what is a suitable accomodation?
>
>  Well, they have one way, and I like another.
>  The lady coordinating alternate texts told me that it was pdf files 
> period; pdf files were readable with jaws, acording to her,
>  so there was no need to convert anyway.
>  I wrote back explaining that jaws cannot read many publisher pdf files 
> well; that words are often smashed together as it speaks.
>
>  Who is this woman to tell me that jaws reads all pdf files fine when she 
> does not use
>  jaws herself? Has she tested it yet to find out? No!
>
>  If the file fails to read, I’ll call a meeting and show them.
>
>  Oh, yes, I tried Bard. They do not carry any norton anthologies.
>  I have learning ally, but as I said before, I need a text file; I need to 
> find quotes for journals. I need to have a file to follow along in class 
> like everyone else.
>
>  If I have to do an audio book, it will be. but it’s a struggle. I have to 
> pause it to copy down quotes and its easy to miss stuff. Also, I’m finding 
> I cannot spell names and places right not seeing the text. if I had a text 
> file, I could spell them with jaws.
>
>
>  Anyway, thanks for your ideas. As I said, I will try the pdf file once 
> they give it to me and hook my notetaker to the pc to try to read it with 
> jaws and the braille display.
>
>
>  Ashley
>  From: Aleeha Dudley
>  Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 7:46 PM
>  To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
>  Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
>  Here’s the thing. The college has to provide you with an accessible 
> version of the file that will work for you, as long as doing so is not an 
> undue burden on the university. There are plenty of ways they could make 
> this file useable for you. Granted, some of the styles the author uses may 
> not come out well with JAWS, but have you tried BARD or Learning Ally? 
> Sorry for jumping in late on this thing and sorry if these things have 
> been asked before, but it annoys me to no end when universities and 
> colleges push students around and claim that something can’t be done when 
> it could very easily.
>
>  Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>  Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>  Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>  Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>  The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>  “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - 
> Arabian proverb
>
>  On Feb 2, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  If you have a Braille display you can connect it to your computer, and it 
> should display anything your computer can read.  It doesn't have to be a 
> BRF file.  Similarly, you can connect your notetaker to the computer and 
> use it as a braille display or read files on it directly.  Many schools 
> don't have conversion software to make the PDF into something else, and 
> anyway, converting it won't make the words unsmoosh.  If it's really a big 
> deal for you, try using robobraille or one of the other conversion 
> services out there.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 2 Feb 2015 17:41:12 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
>  This is a copy for the list.
>
>  Hi Lucy and all,
>  thanks for the responses.
>
>  Unfortunately, I was informed that I will get a pdf file only.
>  I requested it from the school and am waiting. They denied my request to
>  convert it to a text based format even though other colleges do that.
>  This community college is just difficult, IMO. Its an elective thankfully 
> so
>  if I have to miss copying quotes because I cannot go find them, its not 
> such
>  a big deal.
>
>  Lucy,
>  I wish I could use my braille display, but I do not have a  brf file and
>  never will.
>  I checked bookshare.
>  They do not have this book.
>
>  The text is Norton Anthology of short fiction. The seventh edition.
>
>  If you can assist me, I'll write off list.
>  Just let me know, and which email you want me to use.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ashley
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Lucy Sirianni
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:17 AM
>  To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
>  Hi Ashley,
>
>  As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English
>  instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your
>  questions.
>
>  First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you
>  can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to
>  access them in class but will also make it much easier to
>  integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them
>  into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available
>  via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to
>  contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton
>  anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible
>  version of the one assigned for your class.
>
>  Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to
>  you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to
>  request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience
>  to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you
>  shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the
>  professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson
>  planning substantially.
>
>  I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format,
>  so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please
>  don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
>
>  Enjoy the course!
>
>  Lucy
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
>  Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  I?联 taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried
>  taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested
>  in accomodating me.
>  He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be
>  able to access that outside class with a reader among other
>  issues.
>
>  Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and
>  willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very
>  auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and
>  sometimes as a whole class.
>
>  Here are my  questions and concerns though.
>  Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for
>  it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the
>  publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly
>  though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and
>  words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them
>  _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 14:44:35 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 09:44:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone applied for SSI?
In-Reply-To: <B083FAAB-720B-420A-9567-DC8856F27A35@gmail.com>
References: <54d00fb9.4f6f320a.74ed.6c0d@mx.google.com>
	<B083FAAB-720B-420A-9567-DC8856F27A35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZm2KOHdQw8jyHW__NCybvYaz_57MV4xVfi0zAiurBd8g@mail.gmail.com>

I'd recommend doing the application online.  I started by going to the
office in person, and the people there didn't have a clue what was
going on.  We went through an entire process (my mom and I) only to
find out that the attendant who was helping us filled out the wrong
form.  We had said, "SSI" the whole time," but somehow he insisted we
were applying for death of a parent benefits for me even though I was
18 and though my dad wasn't with my mom and I, he certainly wasn't
dead.  After we argued over whether or not he was still alive, the guy
said our appointment was up and didn't even offer to transfer our
answers to a new application or anything.  It took us a good 6 months
to get me set up, mainly because we needed to get through all the
people who didn't know what was going on to the people who did.

Try online.

On 2/2/15, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have applied for SSI. The process is not fast at all. I went to the
> office, but the web forms are supposedly quite accessible. Just make sure
> you request your letters in Braille or in whatever format you need because
> this will be important when it comes to finding out the status of your case.
> HTH
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> "The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." - Arabian
> proverb
>
>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> Have any of you applied for social security disability benefits for being
>> blind?
>> Did you apply online or go to your social security office?
>> Also, how quickly is the process?
>> I would really appreciate anything you have to say about how you applied
>> or anything about the system, either positive or negative.
>> Vejas
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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>


-- 
Kaiti


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 17:46:50 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 09:46:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyKHCJzPg7G+nGkmfDAQ3fxxT0wtzTBs5KjZgi16+Yvpw@mail.gmail.com>

 Greetings,

 Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30
 scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding blind
 and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also includes
 an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the opportunity
 to meet strong blind mentors. More information about the scholarship
 program can be found at:
 https://nfb.org/scholarships

 The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is hosting
 an information and Q&A conference call about our national scholarship
 program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to call in with
 their questions. This call is open to all people, not just residents
 of Washington!

 When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
 Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#

 Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the
 scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW president,
 Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 25 years of
 experience serving on the national scholarship committee.

 *	Learn about the program and application requirements.
 *	Bring your questions and get excellent advice!

 Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this
 announcement on to all blind students.


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 19:13:39 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 11:13:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)
In-Reply-To: <1615665937.19369588.1423072716005.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1615665937.19369588.1423072716005.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzTfd2kxnGDUVsZeJ8BiOe34WEiRBa5rAfhcwHOSKdd-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, just to clarify, the call is at 8:00 Pacific Time.

Cindy

> Greetings,
>
> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30
> scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding blind
> and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also includes
> an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the opportunity
> to meet strong blind mentors. More information about the scholarship
> program can be found at:
> https://nfb.org/scholarships
>
> The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is hosting
> an information and Q&A conference call about our national scholarship
> program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to call in with
> their questions. This call is open to all people, not just residents
> of Washington!
>
> When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
> Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#
>
> Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the
> scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW president,
> Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 25 years of
> experience serving on the national scholarship committee.
>
> * Learn about the program and application requirements.
> * Bring your questions and get excellent advice!
>
> Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this
> announcement on to all blind students.
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nfbwatlk mailing list
> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nfbwatlk:
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>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  4 20:38:53 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:38:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdzTfd2kxnGDUVsZeJ8BiOe34WEiRBa5rAfhcwHOSKdd-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1615665937.19369588.1423072716005.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<CACUFQdzTfd2kxnGDUVsZeJ8BiOe34WEiRBa5rAfhcwHOSKdd-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67B6148E-7CB2-4FA5-B9AC-A67C4824D4B5@gmail.com>

Hi Cinday and all! I just wanted to ask you, is the meeting today for the NFB scholarship is going to be at 8 PM eastern time, or 8 PM Pacific time? I'm just wondering. So that means if th emeeting is at 8 PM Pacific, it will be 11 PM Easter my time then? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, just to clarify, the call is at 8:00 Pacific Time.
> 
> Cindy
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30
>> scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding blind
>> and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also includes
>> an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the opportunity
>> to meet strong blind mentors. More information about the scholarship
>> program can be found at:
>> https://nfb.org/scholarships
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is hosting
>> an information and Q&A conference call about our national scholarship
>> program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to call in with
>> their questions. This call is open to all people, not just residents
>> of Washington!
>> 
>> When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
>> Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#
>> 
>> Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the
>> scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW president,
>> Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 25 years of
>> experience serving on the national scholarship committee.
>> 
>> * Learn about the program and application requirements.
>> * Bring your questions and get excellent advice!
>> 
>> Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this
>> announcement on to all blind students.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> 
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nfbwatlk mailing list
>> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nfbwatlk:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/awaterlilly%40comcast.net
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
> 
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Feb  4 20:41:08 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 14:41:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)
In-Reply-To: <67B6148E-7CB2-4FA5-B9AC-A67C4824D4B5@gmail.com>
References: <1615665937.19369588.1423072716005.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<CACUFQdzTfd2kxnGDUVsZeJ8BiOe34WEiRBa5rAfhcwHOSKdd-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<67B6148E-7CB2-4FA5-B9AC-A67C4824D4B5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP15344DFD3B7F82854A8C39ACE3A0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I'm not Cindy but yes 11 Eastern eighth Pacific.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Cinday and all! I just wanted to ask you, is the meeting today for the NFB scholarship is going to be at 8 PM eastern time, or 8 PM Pacific time? I'm just wondering. So that means if th emeeting is at 8 PM Pacific, it will be 11 PM Easter my time then? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, just to clarify, the call is at 8:00 Pacific Time.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30
>>> scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding blind
>>> and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also includes
>>> an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the opportunity
>>> to meet strong blind mentors. More information about the scholarship
>>> program can be found at:
>>> https://nfb.org/scholarships
>>> 
>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is hosting
>>> an information and Q&A conference call about our national scholarship
>>> program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to call in with
>>> their questions. This call is open to all people, not just residents
>>> of Washington!
>>> 
>>> When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
>>> Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#
>>> 
>>> Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the
>>> scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW president,
>>> Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 25 years of
>>> experience serving on the national scholarship committee.
>>> 
>>> * Learn about the program and application requirements.
>>> * Bring your questions and get excellent advice!
>>> 
>>> Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this
>>> announcement on to all blind students.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>> 
>>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> 
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nfbwatlk mailing list
>>> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nfbwatlk:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/awaterlilly%40comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> 
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From dkent5817 at att.net  Wed Feb  4 21:30:51 2015
From: dkent5817 at att.net (Deborah Kent Stein)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:30:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: watchLAB: Paid Study for Blind/Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <auto-000014377343@mailfront2.g2host.com>


From: Adina Garneata [mailto:Adina.Garneata at watchlab.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 1:04 PM
To: 'dkent5817 at att.net'
Subject: watchLAB: Paid Study for Blind/Visually Impaired

Hello Deborah,

My name is Adina and I am the Outreach Coordinator at 
<http://www.watchlab.com/>watchLAB, a nationwide market research firm 
based in San Francisco.  We are reaching out to you because we are 
conducting a paid research study related to how individuals who are 
blind/visually impaired interact with a streaming video service, 
paying $150 for 90 minutes at our San Francisco offices at 201 Post 
street. This study aims to understand the usability of the product 
and the participants' input will help us improve the interface for 
future users. It would be great if you could spread the word about 
this study! If anyone is interested in participating please have them 
either reply to this email, fill out the survey below or call in at 
312-235-6179 and ask for the "Leisure Activities" study.

Survey Link: 
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LA0049>https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LA0049

We are also offering a $25 referral incentive for anyone you send 
over to us that qualifies and participates. More info on the study is 
listed below.


Date: Week of Monday, February, 9th

Times:  To be determined. Range is from 9am-5pm, depending on what 
spots are available

Length:  1 hour and 15 minutes

Location: In person Interviews at San Francisco offices at 201 Post street

Payment: $150 check after the interview

Once again, If anyone is interested in participating, please have 
them reply to this email or call in at 312-235-6179 or fill out our 
pre-qualifying survey below:
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LA0049>https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LA0049

If you have any questions about our company, you can reply to this 
email or  visit our website at 
<http://www.watchlab.com/>http://www.watchlab.com.

Best,
Adina

Adina Garneata  |  Outreach Coordinator
o.  +1 312.235.6179
e. <mailto:Adina.Garneata at watchlab.com>Adina.Garneata at watchlab.com

watchLAB
1 E. Erie St, Suite 600, Chicago, IL 60611

This message contains confidential information and is intended only 
for the named recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Feb  5 02:05:47 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:05:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Announcing residential summer camp for students with
 VIB at NCSU College of Engineering
Message-ID: <auto-000014618492@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: Ed Summers <Ed.Summers at sas.com>
>To: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Announcing residential summer camp for students with VIB at NCSU
>  College of Engineering
>Thread-Topic: Announcing residential summer camp for students with VIB at NCSU
>  College of Engineering
>Thread-Index: AdA/YH9o0ykmCE56Qbyd4x8JYxzoiQAATWZgAAAbkiAAAG9b8AAAV3hQ
>Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2015 04:00:37 +0000
>
>Hi Dave, can you share on appropriate NFB email 
>lists? The info below can also be found in the 
>attached printable pdf or at this link:
><https://www.engr.ncsu.edu/theengineeringplace/summerprograms/experience-vib/>https://www.engr.ncsu.edu/theengineeringplace/summerprograms/experience-vib/
>
>Best,
>Ed
>
>
>
>Summer Engineering Experience for Students with 
>Visual Impairments or Blindness
>
>
>
>North Carolina State University
>The Engineering Place
>
>July 19, 2015 – July 24, 2015
>
>Explore the Grand Challenges of Engineering
>
>During this one-week residential summer camp, 12 
>to 15 students with visual impairments or 
>blindness (VIB) will explore the Grand 
>Challenges of Engineering through participating 
>in hands-on activities at the Engineering Place 
>at NC State University. Topics will include an 
>introduction to the principles of engineering 
>and a focus on the Grand Challenges, including those listed below.
>
>• Providing access to clean water
>• Engineering the tools of scientific discovery
>• Making solar energy more economical
>• Securing cyberspace
>• Engineering better medicines
>
>Through these topics, students will further 
>explore the fields of civil, aerospace, 
>electrical and biomedical engineering along with 
>computer science. They will conclude the week 
>with a group capstone design project.
>
>Throughout the week, students will live in a 
>college dormitory, experience campus life 
>alongside their undergraduate mentors and become 
>immersed in current research techniques at a world-class university.
>
>
>
>Eligibility
>
>
>
>
>The 2015 Summer Engineering Experience is open 
>to rising 10th, 11th and 12th grade students 
>with VIB who are independent travelers, 
>performing at or above grade level, and are 
>potentially interested in careers in STEM.
>
>
>
>Application
>
>
>
>
>To apply to come to camp, please complete the application form Online:
><https://www.engr.ncsu.edu/theengineeringplace/summerprograms/experience-vib/>https://www.engr.ncsu.edu/theengineeringplace/summerprograms/experience-vib/
>
>
>
>Cost
>
>
>
>
>The cost of this one-week residential camp is 
>$100. Partial scholarships may be available.
>
>
>
>Important Dates
>
>
>
>
>Application opens: January 27
>Application closes: March 27
>Notification of acceptance: April 3
>Students arrive on campus: Afternoon of Sunday, July 19
>Students leave: Afternoon of Friday, July 24
>
>
>
>Questions?
>
>
>
>
>Please contact Leyf Starling at  <mailto:astarli2 at ncsu.edu>astarli2 at ncsu.edu.
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Feb  5 03:16:18 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:16:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
Message-ID: <0NJA00FY30Z6CI50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

So I'm currently a senior in high school, and believe I'll be 
taking the college entrance exam for the schools I would like to 
go to (I only believe this because I still don't know my SAT 
score, even though I took it back in December).

So I have a few questions about your experiences taking the 
college entrance exam.
First, how easy or difficult do you think it was? Is it only 
tested in English and math or other subjects as well? Does it 
require a lot of studying?
Secondly, accommodations.  Did you have to discuss with DSS  your 
required accommodations for taking tests for the entrance exam as 
well as for college classes in general? How would the test be 
provided, like do they have it in Braille or would you need a 
reader?
Also, (this may be a silly question) has it been your experience 
that your school exempt you from taking the entrance exam just 
because of your blindness? Not that I would like to, of course, 
because I'd like to have the most chance of getting accepted to 
my colleges of choices, but I'm just curious and also recent 
discussion on this list about accommodations, or lack thereof, 
that are being provided to blind students, has got me wondering 
this as well.

I hope you guys can answer my questions.

Looking forward to hereing from you, and good night all.

Thanks,

Sami.


From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Feb  5 02:26:08 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 20:26:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <908F8A7DB74E494F8B9CA05A355606F8@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com>
	<47B90AFC-CABD-4A90-B562-D8EDAB743C3A@gmail.com>
	<C4851B99-B6AF-490C-99B1-9B4283082292@gmail.com>
	<105D6F82-56DA-47AB-8280-205FDD97C7A5@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<908F8A7DB74E494F8B9CA05A355606F8@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <auto-000014400880@mailfront2.g2host.com>

It is actually on the nfbnet.org server, 
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/massabs_nfbnet.org

to join.

Dave

At 12:38 PM 1/26/2015, you wrote:
>Hi, MassABS has a list on the NFB.org server. 
>It’s kind of disused, so perhaps some of you 
>could liven it up
 ----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Derek Mannerss via nabs-l" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> To: "Aleeha Dudley" 
><blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>; "National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Sent: Friday, January 23, 
>2015 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on 
>College Campuses > Massachusetts has a listserv 
>that we are working to get up and running. > But 
>Precious Perez and I have an interim list where 
>we send out > information regarding 
>Massachusetts stuff. So if you want the good 
>stuff, > you have to contact us or the MA 
>president, Amy Ruell. This is especially > 
>important since we have state convention coming 
>up next month and the > deadline to register is 
>next week > > Best wishes > Derek Manners > > 
>Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2015, at 
>4:38 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> wrote: >> >> Actually, 
>the site for joining or dropping NFB mailing 
>lists is >> nfbnet.org <http://nfbnet.org/> >> 
>Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas >> Vice 
>President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog 
>Users >> Vice President, Ohio Association of 
>Blind Students >> Both proud divisions of the 
>National Federation of the Blind of Ohio >> 
>Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
><mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> >> The 
>National Federation of the Blind knows that 
>blindness is not the >> characteristic that 
>defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>the >> expectations of blind people, because low 
>expectations create obstacles >> between blind 
>people and our dreams. You can live the life you 
>want; >> blindness is not what holds you 
>back. >> “The wind of heaven is that which 
>blows between a horse’s ears.” - >> Arabian 
>proverb >> >>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:36 PM, 
>Kathryn Webster via nabs-l >>> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> >>> One can 
>subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com 
>web site. >>> Feel free to join :) >>> >>> >>> 
>Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 
>4:29 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l >>>> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Derek my 
>name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the 
>Massachusetts >>>> student email list even 
>though I'm on the one for the Florida student >>>> division? >>>> >>>>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 03:58:30 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 19:58:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Happening now! NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyXH9zEozf+h_hLk_efMgUh=7fyr_DoFph7WTVG0ZPtfg@mail.gmail.com>

>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30
>>>> scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding blind
>>>> and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also includes
>>>> an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the opportunity
>>>> to meet strong blind mentors. More information about the scholarship
>>>> program can be found at:
>>>> https://nfb.org/scholarships
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is hosting
>>>> an information and Q&A conference call about our national scholarship
>>>> program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to call in with
>>>> their questions. This call is open to all people, not just residents
>>>> of Washington!
>>>>
>>>> When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
>>>> Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the
>>>> scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW president,
>>>> Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 25 years of
>>>> experience serving on the national scholarship committee.
>>>>
>>>> * Learn about the program and application requirements.
>>>> * Bring your questions and get excellent advice!
>>>>
>>>> Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this
>>>> announcement on to all blind students.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cindy Bennett
>>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>>
>>>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nfbwatlk mailing list
>>>> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nfbwatlk:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/awaterlilly%40comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>
>>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 04:39:09 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:39:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
In-Reply-To: <0NJA00FY30Z6CI50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NJA00FY30Z6CI50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <F7BDDDE6-942D-424F-969A-0E7408D45BFC@aol.com>

Hi Sami,
I'm happy to hear you have applied and are looking ahead to your college experience. I have seen four different college entrance exams and have taken one of my own. Most entrance exams evaluate your reading comprehension, writing ability, and math skills.  There is no major thing to study. I would take advantage of opportunities to work on your reading comprehension, writing, and math with your teachers. Do not stress but, it is not a bad idea to ask about feedback on an essay you write or why you may have made a mistake on a math question. You want to really master skills not just because of the test but, this is the training ground for when everything really falls to you. You own your learning. Please remember this.
In your first year generally you will need to take an english course which contains of evaluating different types of sources or reading passages and responding to these readings in different forms of writing. These forms include but are not limited to persuasive, informative, analysts which is a big one, and others. 
The math exams looks at General math skills with an emphasis on algebra and usually goes up to very basic calculus. I know NYI has not taught any percale for a while. When I was there I asked the math teacher to go over the basic braille symbols I would see and the general knowledge and steps to solve logarithms. 
Submit all of your documentation to the disability services coordinated on your college campus and take the time to have a meeting to identify what you will need for the teat. You do not want to opt out of this test because it determines where you get placed. If you do great  on the writing portion and can test out of basic writing and in to college writing you want to do that. These tests see if you need bridge courses.
By law your college will need to provide the format you will need. Understand if you choose braille, there is some turn around time so schedule accordingly. The college will need some time to prepare the test. 
I wish you the best of luck. If you need anything please do not hesitate to ask. bridgetawalker13 at aol.com 
Bridget
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 4, 27 Heisei, at 10:16 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I'm currently a senior in high school, and believe I'll be taking the college entrance exam for the schools I would like to go to (I only believe this because I still don't know my SAT score, even though I took it back in December).
> 
> So I have a few questions about your experiences taking the college entrance exam.
> First, how easy or difficult do you think it was? Is it only tested in English and math or other subjects as well? Does it require a lot of studying?
> Secondly, accommodations.  Did you have to discuss with DSS  your required accommodations for taking tests for the entrance exam as well as for college classes in general? How would the test be provided, like do they have it in Braille or would you need a reader?
> Also, (this may be a silly question) has it been your experience that your school exempt you from taking the entrance exam just because of your blindness? Not that I would like to, of course, because I'd like to have the most chance of getting accepted to my colleges of choices, but I'm just curious and also recent discussion on this list about accommodations, or lack thereof, that are being provided to blind students, has got me wondering this as well.
> 
> I hope you guys can answer my questions.
> 
> Looking forward to hereing from you, and good night all.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 13:54:44 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 08:54:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happening now! NFB Scholarship Information Call
	(Tonight)
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdyXH9zEozf+h_hLk_efMgUh=7fyr_DoFph7WTVG0ZPtfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdyXH9zEozf+h_hLk_efMgUh=7fyr_DoFph7WTVG0ZPtfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012901d0414b$4c0bf8b0$e423ea10$@gmail.com>

Did you folks record the call?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
Cc: nfbwatlk
Subject: [nabs-l] Happening now! NFB Scholarship Information Call (Tonight)

>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Each year, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB) awards 30 
>>>> scholarships in the amount of $3,000 to $12,000 to outstanding 
>>>> blind and visually impaired college students. The scholarship also 
>>>> includes an opportunity to attend the annual NFB convention and the 
>>>> opportunity to meet strong blind mentors. More information about 
>>>> the scholarship program can be found at:
>>>> https://nfb.org/scholarships
>>>>
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Washington (NFBW) is 
>>>> hosting an information and Q&A conference call about our national 
>>>> scholarship program. All prospective applicants are encouraged to 
>>>> call in with their questions. This call is open to all people, not 
>>>> just residents of Washington!
>>>>
>>>> When: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 at 8:00 P.M.
>>>> Where: call 712-432-0140 and enter access code 849246#
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Bennett, NFBW member and newly appointed member of the 
>>>> scholarship committee will host the call. She welcomes NFBW 
>>>> president, Marci Carpenter and NFBW member, Bennett Prows, who has 
>>>> 25 years of experience serving on the national scholarship committee.
>>>>
>>>> * Learn about the program and application requirements.
>>>> * Bring your questions and get excellent advice!
>>>>
>>>> Please email questions to Cindy at clb5590 at gmail.com and pass this 
>>>> announcement on to all blind students.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cindy Bennett
>>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered 
>>>> Design and Engineering
>>>>
>>>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an 
>>>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nfbwatlk mailing list
>>>> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
>>>> nfbwatlk:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nfbwatlk_nfbnet.org/awaterlilly%4
>>>> 0comcast.net
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered 
>>> Design and Engineering
>>>
>>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an 
>>> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> nabs-l:
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>>> 6%40gmail.com
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>


--
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an Affiliate
of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 14:46:28 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:46:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
Message-ID: <54d38275.a7268c0a.496b.ffffd68b@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami thanks for your message.  In high school I took the 
American College Test known as the ACT.  This test was not an 
easy exam for me to take.  I had to take it twice before I passed 
the reading and math sections.  The test is divided into four 
sections that you take on separate days.


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 16:31:18 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:31:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
In-Reply-To: <54d38275.a7268c0a.496b.ffffd68b@mx.google.com>
References: <54d38275.a7268c0a.496b.ffffd68b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C75CC73F-A9F8-4A9F-AB54-E88CF6807AB9@aol.com>

Hi Rona, and all
I think Sami is talking about the entrance placement exams not the SAT or ACT. 
Sami could you clarify? I'm thinking of the exams you take at the campus before registration to see where you place. The SAT or ACT should be done at this stage meaning you should have your test scores. Some people test out of there placement entrance exams when they do well on the SAT. I do not know if the same rules apply for the ACT.
Bridget 


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 5, 27 Heisei, at 9:46 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sami thanks for your message.  In high school I took the American College Test known as the ACT.  This test was not an easy exam for me to take.  I had to take it twice before I passed the reading and math sections.  The test is divided into four sections that you take on separate days.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 18:40:33 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 10:40:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Scholarship Program Information
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyzKjqDbfd03YT8pphGNJ=145ff5hR6_+c8dTCcCPH0ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

If you couldn't make the call, here is a quick rundown of the
scholarship website, the eligibility requirements, and the application
submission checklist.

The deadline to apply for a scholarship is March 31. I highly
recommend that you all get your applications completed early! You
don't have a chance of winning if you don't apply! Please also
encourage your blind friends who are not subscribed to this list to
apply.

Scholarship web page:
www.nfb.org/scholarships

Feel free to email me with questions or to post them to the list with
a relevant subject line.

eligibility Requirements
All applicants for these scholarships:

1. must be
legally blind (PDF document)
in both eyes, and
2. must be residing in the United States, the District of Columbia, or
Puerto Rico, and
3. must be pursuing or planning to pursue a full-time, postsecondary
course of study in a degree program at a United States institution in
the 2015 scholastic
year, except that one scholarship may be given to a person employed
full-time while attending school part-time, and
4. must participate in the entire NFB national convention and in all
of its scheduled scholarship program activities. In addition to a
scholarship, each
winner will receive assistance to attend the 2015 National Federation
of the Blind Annual Convention which takes place in July in Orlando,
Florida, providing
an excellent opportunity for high-level networking with active blind
persons in many different professions and occupations.


Submissions Checklist
FILE FORMATS:  Documents submitted via uploading to your online
application form or sent via attachment to an email must be in DOC,
DOCX, RTF, or PDF file
format. (We do not accept faxed documents.)

[   ] One completed
2015 Scholarship Application Form,
online or in print, is required. (See FAQ #11)
      Non-applicable questions may be marked N/A.  Until the deadline
you may return to your application as often as you wish to edit or
change it or to
delete or replace any attached documents.

[   ] One Essay, limited to 700 words or less, is required. (See FAQ #12)

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      The authors may send their letters directly to us or, if the
authors permit, you may forward them.

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      Provide a transcript from the institution you are currently
attending and from all other postsecondary institutions you've
attended. If you have
attended less than one year of higher education, provide your high
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[   ] High school seniors only--Reports on College Entrance
Examinations are required. (See FAQ #14)
      Send a copy of your report summary from the ACT, SAT, or other
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Proof of Legal Blindness
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     Before the deadline, applicants must request AND accomplish an
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  5 21:04:55 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 16:04:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
In-Reply-To: <C75CC73F-A9F8-4A9F-AB54-E88CF6807AB9@aol.com>
References: <54d38275.a7268c0a.496b.ffffd68b@mx.google.com>
	<C75CC73F-A9F8-4A9F-AB54-E88CF6807AB9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9ig6N6phwUqmcwy9ihCquONf0nrzQrXXR3YKjNzhi7EOw@mail.gmail.com>

Sami,

I'm also confused about which type of test you are talking about. A
college entrance exam is an exam that you take in order for a college
to gauge whether or not you would be qualified at the school, like the
SAT or ACT. But from your explanation, it sounds like you are asking
about placement exams within a particular college. If it is the
latter, then it really depends on the school whether or not you need
to take a placement exam. At my college for instance, the only
placement exam you need to take is foreign language to determine which
level you would be placed in. But everyone else is required to take
English literature and writing, unless you received a certain score on
AP or IB exams. So once you know which school you are attending, you
can check to see whether these tests are necessary and then you can
have a discussion with the DS office on accommodations.

HTH,
Minh

On 2/5/15, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Rona, and all
> I think Sami is talking about the entrance placement exams not the SAT or
> ACT.
> Sami could you clarify? I'm thinking of the exams you take at the campus
> before registration to see where you place. The SAT or ACT should be done at
> this stage meaning you should have your test scores. Some people test out of
> there placement entrance exams when they do well on the SAT. I do not know
> if the same rules apply for the ACT.
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 5, 27 Heisei, at 9:46 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sami thanks for your message.  In high school I took the American
>> College Test known as the ACT.  This test was not an easy exam for me to
>> take.  I had to take it twice before I passed the reading and math
>> sections.  The test is divided into four sections that you take on
>> separate days.
>>
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"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Feb  5 22:48:08 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 17:48:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College entrance exam
Message-ID: <0NJB0093XJ899700@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

Sorry for the confusion, I'm not sure why this happened; Bridget 
seemed to understand what I was saying in the first reply of this 
thread.

I am talking about the college entrance exam for colleges in 
general, as I know that everything more or less depends on the 
particular school (which we all go to different places).  I also 
wasn't talking about the SAT ei; I already took that, As I 
mentionedbbf.

I hope I clarified, and thanks everyone for your replies.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 16:04:55 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College entrance exam

Sami,

I'm also confused about which type of test you are talking about.  
A
college entrance exam is an exam that you take in order for a 
college
to gauge whether or not you would be qualified at the school, 
like the
SAT or ACT.  But from your explanation, it sounds like you are 
asking
about placement exams within a particular college.  If it is the
latter, then it really depends on the school whether or not you 
need
to take a placement exam.  At my college for instance, the only
placement exam you need to take is foreign language to determine 
which
level you would be placed in.  But everyone else is required to 
take
English literature and writing, unless you received a certain 
score on
AP or IB exams.  So once you know which school you are attending, 
you
can check to see whether these tests are necessary and then you 
can
have a discussion with the DS office on accommodations.

HTH,
Minh

On 2/5/15, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Rona, and all
 I think Sami is talking about the entrance placement exams not 
the SAT or
 ACT.
 Sami could you clarify? I'm thinking of the exams you take at 
the campus
 before registration to see where you place.  The SAT or ACT 
should be done at
 this stage meaning you should have your test scores.  Some 
people test out of
 there placement entrance exams when they do well on the SAT.  I 
do not know
 if the same rules apply for the ACT.
 Bridget


 Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 5, 27 Heisei, at 9:46 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Sami thanks for your message.  In high school I took the 
American
 College Test known as the ACT.  This test was not an easy exam 
for me to
 take.  I had to take it twice before I passed the reading and 
math
 sections.  The test is divided into four sections that you take 
on
 separate days.

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dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was 
vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act 
on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T.  E.  
Lawrence

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 14:05:39 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 09:05:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
Message-ID: <54d4ca66.51a1e00a.065f.ffff9a04@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share another update on my independence.  This week I 
found my way to my classes without any assistance.  Yesterday I 
joined the Florida Organization for Parents of Blind Children 
email list.  I joined this list so I can share my experiences as 
a blind student with parents here in Florida who are raising 
blind children.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Fri Feb  6 23:54:36 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:54:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello All:
	Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically true).
	I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Pledge, Kappa Sigma
Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 00:20:59 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 19:20:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
Message-ID: <54d55a9e.ca5ce00a.4fa5.3e29@mx.google.com>

Hi Michael this is a great discussion topic.  My experience with 
my university library has been a positive one.  I have had no 
problem accessing sources from the databases on their web site.  
In general the librarians and the receptionists at the front desk 
have been helpful to me.  There is also a cafe in our library at 
UCF.  The staff there are willing to assist me whenever I ask 
questions about their food.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 01:57:13 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 20:57:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
Message-ID: <54d57117.0673e00a.5dfa.ffff81f4@mx.google.com>

Actually I think the Chafee amendment means it's not against 
copyright law for them to scan things for you.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:54:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Hello All:
	Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the 
University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, 
at the University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations 
ought to be made, in order to allow equal access to all 
books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they 
ought to be able to scan and process or receive already 
accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, 
some librarians suggested that it is impossible, because it 
is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically 
true).
	I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis 
research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare 
and I would rather not buy it, in the instance that the 
University already owns it.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Pledge, Kappa Sigma
Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 02:34:36 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 21:34:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <E510E178-EEB4-4BC3-86F1-A75AC86CB0CD@aol.com>

I think you bring up a valid point. The college provides students with public access to information in all kinds of formats. I wonder how reasonable accommodation applies in this situation. Technically you are entitled to the same information as your peers. 
Does your college have an interlibrary lone program? When a college does not have what a student has requested in their format they can check with another college. 
I do not think you should pay for a book when your peers get it free. 
 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 6, 27 Heisei, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
>    Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically true).
>    I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> 
> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 16:44:59 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:44:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
Message-ID: <54d64140.857ce00a.0c1c.ffffff03@mx.google.com>

Hi Karl I think you're right.  University libraries can provide 
books and other materials to students with disabilities in 
alternate formats.  Interlibrary loan programs allow students to 
borrow materials for a certain amount of time during each 
semester.


From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sat Feb  7 16:57:43 2015
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 10:57:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <54d57117.0673e00a.5dfa.ffff81f4@mx.google.com>
References: <54d57117.0673e00a.5dfa.ffff81f4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <00b001d042f7$3147aa80$93d6ff80$@mediacombb.net>

That would be my interpretation of it as well.  And, I know it would take
som etime, but you could check it out and just happen to get it to close to
a scanner.  It would be for your personal use.  And if you are that far in
the education system, you know about giving proper credit.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 7:57 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Actually I think the Chafee amendment means it's not against copyright law
for them to scan things for you.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 23:54:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Hello All:
	Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the
University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University
of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws
(which is technically true).
	I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research,
I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Pledge, Kappa Sigma
Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club Secretary, Nevada
Association of Blind Students Member, Honors College of the University of
Nevada, Reno Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno

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From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 17:30:22 2015
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:30:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on the
	beach
Message-ID: <CAGpn82Spg7AbnZUbg3giqPFaFXVQsgnp1sbKiD8iYeSM1SCQzA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS,
I’ll be traveling to the beach in a few weeks and was just looking for
advice/tips on how to best stay oriented as beaches don’t have many
landmarks apart from sun clues, the sound of the surf in relation to
where I am, and the direction of the wind. I typically like to be out
in the morning before it gets too hot, or in the evening as the sun is
setting, so I’m not sure how many people I’d come across to ask for
directions if I get a bit disoriented. I usually go to the beach in
the company of family or friends, but it would be nice to be able to
just get up and take a walk on a whim whenever I wanted. I also
thought that the compass on my iPhone could come in handy. I
appreciate any advice/suggestions.
Thanks, Kayla


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 17:53:27 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 12:53:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
Message-ID: <54d6514b.4628e00a.2a40.0fb2@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share some thoughts about why I attended my own IEP 
meetings.  My TVI's encouraged me to play an active role in my 
personal and academic life.  I was given a braille copy of my IEP 
so that I could assist my TVI in reading it to the team.  It gave 
me the confidence to speak up for what I wanted.  I'd like to 
hear your thoughts on this topic.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:03:32 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:03:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
	thebeach
Message-ID: <54d65394.890b6b0a.4fdc.ffff923d@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Kayla,=20yes=20compasses=20are=20awesome!=20=20The=20only=20tricky=20t=
hing=20
really=20might=20be=20finding=20which=20place=20is=20yours=20again=20if=20y=
ou=20have=20a=20
beech=20front=20hotel=20or=20condo=20or=20finding=20which=20of=20the=20road=
s=20leading=20
to=20the=20beech=20is=20the=20right=20one.=20=20If=20you're=20going=20to=20=
have=20your=20
phone=20with=20you,=20you=20might=20try=20using=20the=20gps=20to=20mark=20w=
here=20you=20
start=20from=20so=20you=20can=20always=20find=20your=20way=20back.=20=20Wal=
king=20on=20the=20
beech=20is=20actually=20really=20easy--you=20just=20keep=20the=20surf=20on=
=20one=20side=20
of=20you=20for=20a=20while=20and=20then=20turn=20around=20and=20keep=20it=20=
on=20the=20other=20
side.

Hope=20this=20helps,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Kayla=20Weathers=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=207=20Feb=202015=2012:30:22=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Tips/advice=20of=20how=20to=20stay=20oriented=20when=
=20
walking=20on=20thebeach

Hi=20NABS,
I=E2=80=99ll=20be=20traveling=20to=20the=20beach=20in=20a=20few=20weeks=20a=
nd=20was=20just=20
looking=20for
advice/tips=20on=20how=20to=20best=20stay=20oriented=20as=20beaches=20don=E2=
=80=99t=20have=20
many
landmarks=20apart=20from=20sun=20clues,=20the=20sound=20of=20the=20surf=20i=
n=20relation=20
to
where=20I=20am,=20and=20the=20direction=20of=20the=20wind.=20I=20typically=
=20like=20to=20be=20
out
in=20the=20morning=20before=20it=20gets=20too=20hot,=20or=20in=20the=20even=
ing=20as=20the=20
sun=20is
setting,=20so=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20sure=20how=20many=20people=20I=E2=80=99=
d=20come=20across=20to=20
ask=20for
directions=20if=20I=20get=20a=20bit=20disoriented.=20I=20usually=20go=20to=
=20the=20beach=20
in
the=20company=20of=20family=20or=20friends,=20but=20it=20would=20be=20nice=
=20to=20be=20able=20
to
just=20get=20up=20and=20take=20a=20walk=20on=20a=20whim=20whenever=20I=20wa=
nted.=20I=20also
thought=20that=20the=20compass=20on=20my=20iPhone=20could=20come=20in=20han=
dy.=20I
appreciate=20any=20advice/suggestions.
Thanks,=20Kayla

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:14:34 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 10:14:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
	thebeach
In-Reply-To: <54d65394.890b6b0a.4fdc.ffff923d@mx.google.com>
References: <54d65394.890b6b0a.4fdc.ffff923d@mx.google.com>
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Hi Kayla,
Thanks for posting this question. I've been meaning to ask a similar
one because my blind friend and I might be planning a beach trip soon.
I've only gone to the beach with sighted people who could keep track
of where our towels and belongings are while we swim. One question I
have is what you guys do with your canes while swimming. When sighted
people are around I've just left my cane by the towels and stuff. Does
anyone have a waterproof bag or waist pouch you use to keep a
collapsible cane on your person while you swim? If not, how do you
keep track of your cane and your belongings? Some of the new beeping
luggage finders seem like they could be useful here, but I would have
to be sure I can carry the transmitter in something waterproof. Thanks
for any tips!
Arielle

On 2/7/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla, yes compasses are awesome!  The only tricky thing
> really might be finding which place is yours again if you have a
> beech front hotel or condo or finding which of the roads leading
> to the beech is the right one.  If you're going to have your
> phone with you, you might try using the gps to mark where you
> start from so you can always find your way back.  Walking on the
> beech is actually really easy--you just keep the surf on one side
> of you for a while and then turn around and keep it on the other
> side.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:30:22 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when
> walking on thebeach
>
> Hi NABS,
> I’ll be traveling to the beach in a few weeks and was just
> looking for
> advice/tips on how to best stay oriented as beaches don’t have
> many
> landmarks apart from sun clues, the sound of the surf in relation
> to
> where I am, and the direction of the wind. I typically like to be
> out
> in the morning before it gets too hot, or in the evening as the
> sun is
> setting, so I’m not sure how many people I’d come across to
> ask for
> directions if I get a bit disoriented. I usually go to the beach
> in
> the company of family or friends, but it would be nice to be able
> to
> just get up and take a walk on a whim whenever I wanted. I also
> thought that the compass on my iPhone could come in handy. I
> appreciate any advice/suggestions.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:13:59 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 13:13:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
	thebeach
Message-ID: <54d6561c.8367e00a.510d.185b@mx.google.com>

Hi Kayla the compass would come in handy.  You could keep the 
surface on one side of you as you walk along the shoreline.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:16:23 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 10:16:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
	the beach
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Hi Kayla,

 As a  Californian you would figure I practically live on the beach right? 
 well, I don’t hit the beach too  often but  If there’s another landmark I can think of off the top of my head it is the consistency of the sand.  I’ve noticed that the  sand tends to get more  compacted and smooth  the closer you get to the shoreline.
  the rougher the   terrain the further away from the water you are going.
  If  I’m going to take a walk away from a group of friends or family I like to give a heads up and ask to keep a bit of an eye out.  Also might keep in mind a general idea of about how far I walked so as to give me an idea of how far I ought  to be  walking on the return trip. 
 is there a land mark of  any sort  closer  towards the end of the sand?(trash can,signae or anything like that)I might use that in case I run into someone.   Possibly  just establish a point where people would meet up  if anyone gets separated from the group  the beach can be easy enough for sighted folks to get turned around because of the general lack of  obvious landmarks, so it’s certainly  not a bad idea to have such a system in place for all involved. 
        
     
> On Feb 7, 2015, at 9:30 AM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS,
> I’ll be traveling to the beach in a few weeks and was just looking for
> advice/tips on how to best stay oriented as beaches don’t have many
> landmarks apart from sun clues, the sound of the surf in relation to
> where I am, and the direction of the wind. I typically like to be out
> in the morning before it gets too hot, or in the evening as the sun is
> setting, so I’m not sure how many people I’d come across to ask for
> directions if I get a bit disoriented. I usually go to the beach in
> the company of family or friends, but it would be nice to be able to
> just get up and take a walk on a whim whenever I wanted. I also
> thought that the compass on my iPhone could come in handy. I
> appreciate any advice/suggestions.
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 18:17:00 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 13:17:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking
	on	thebeach
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCp+Hvjqx3G7ry_Vzv2BY0bx8BZGTb-pKTHwKDuA6dWXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54d65394.890b6b0a.4fdc.ffff923d@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJCp+Hvjqx3G7ry_Vzv2BY0bx8BZGTb-pKTHwKDuA6dWXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I would use a belt and strap my folding cane into the shief.  Though my cord is to short to do so with the one I have right now.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 1:15 PM
To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on thebeach

Hi Kayla,
Thanks for posting this question. I've been meaning to ask a similar one because my blind friend and I might be planning a beach trip soon.
I've only gone to the beach with sighted people who could keep track of where our towels and belongings are while we swim. One question I have is what you guys do with your canes while swimming. When sighted people are around I've just left my cane by the towels and stuff. Does anyone have a waterproof bag or waist pouch you use to keep a collapsible cane on your person while you swim? If not, how do you keep track of your cane and your belongings? Some of the new beeping luggage finders seem like they could be useful here, but I would have to be sure I can carry the transmitter in something waterproof. Thanks for any tips!
Arielle

On 2/7/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla, yes compasses are awesome!  The only tricky thing really 
> might be finding which place is yours again if you have a beech front 
> hotel or condo or finding which of the roads leading to the beech is 
> the right one.  If you're going to have your phone with you, you might 
> try using the gps to mark where you start from so you can always find 
> your way back.  Walking on the beech is actually really easy--you just 
> keep the surf on one side of you for a while and then turn around and 
> keep it on the other side.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 12:30:22 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on 
> thebeach
>
> Hi NABS,
> I’ll be traveling to the beach in a few weeks and was just looking for 
> advice/tips on how to best stay oriented as beaches don’t have many 
> landmarks apart from sun clues, the sound of the surf in relation to 
> where I am, and the direction of the wind. I typically like to be out 
> in the morning before it gets too hot, or in the evening as the sun is 
> setting, so I’m not sure how many people I’d come across to ask for 
> directions if I get a bit disoriented. I usually go to the beach in 
> the company of family or friends, but it would be nice to be able to 
> just get up and take a walk on a whim whenever I wanted. I also 
> thought that the compass on my iPhone could come in handy. I 
> appreciate any advice/suggestions.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sat Feb  7 19:12:14 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:12:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example) which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners
2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
>    Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically true).
>    I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> 
> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sat Feb  7 19:15:35 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:15:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act for school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are Google-able. 

Best wishes
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example) which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically true).
>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> 
>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Feb  7 19:37:55 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:37:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
 thebeach
In-Reply-To: <54d6561c.8367e00a.510d.185b@mx.google.com>
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Good morning,
Can't you simply use the sound of the waves?
10:13 AM 2/7/2015, you wrote:
>Hi Kayla the compass would come in handy.  You could keep the 
>surface on one side of you as you walk along the shoreline.
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 21:29:54 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:29:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips/advice of how to stay oriented when walking on
	thebeach
In-Reply-To: <54d6699e.8125e50a.62a5.ffffcdfeSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <54d6561c.8367e00a.510d.185b@mx.google.com>
	<54d6699e.8125e50a.62a5.ffffcdfeSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Hi,

I've experienced similar things while on vacations with family.  What
I like to do is take a battery-operated radio down to the beach with
me and sit it by the towels and other stuff so I can more easily find
my way back to my little site without much assistance from others
giving me directions, my family calling out for me that they're "Over
here," or other stuff.  When I'm on the beach alone or just with my
siblings and cousins who are usually doing their own thing this has
worked well.

Of course other people can also bring radios to the beach, and they
often do, but I try to find a station that is unique enough that I'll
be able to figure out which radio is mine.  For some reason country
music seems to have been the beach-goer favorite at most of my
vacation sites, so sticking the radio on a top 40 station or a classic
rock one has usually done the trick.  Pandora is also great if you've
got a speaker you can bring with you because you can customize it and
you'll also not run the slight risk I've run of the commercials
cutting off the station call numbers and the genre of music I've put
on as much.

Otherwise, the surf, sand consistency, and other hints should help.
The only other tricky thing would be remembering where to go to get
back to your condo or hotel correctly, but if you have a sound source
near your stationary belongings like a towel and such you could use
that to orient yourself in a straight direction.

E.G, if you walk straight out from your place to the spot where you
put your stuff down, you should be able to pack everything up and walk
straight back.

Hope this helps.

On 2/7/15, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning,
> Can't you simply use the sound of the waves?
> 10:13 AM 2/7/2015, you wrote:
>>Hi Kayla the compass would come in handy.  You could keep the
>>surface on one side of you as you walk along the shoreline.
>>
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-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 21:38:02 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:38:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
about this).

I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.

My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
could not leave the library).

Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?

Thanks,

On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act for
> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
> Google-able.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All:
>>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 22:18:41 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 17:18:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
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I attended and participated in all of my IEP meetings as well. I was 
not a fan of IEP meetings but I absolutely agree that students who have 
IEP meetings should be present in the meetings related to them.
--Miso

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Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 9:54 am
Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings

Dear Students,

I'd like to share some thoughts about why I attended my own IEP
meetings.  My TVI's encouraged me to play an active role in my
personal and academic life.  I was given a braille copy of my IEP
so that I could assist my TVI in reading it to the team.  It gave
me the confidence to speak up for what I wanted.  I'd like to
hear your thoughts on this topic.

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  7 22:35:48 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 14:35:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDNE3-Fv8mC-fR9VZoEWZHdqMH-vadTW5TjgBL+7aD0kA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti. No, I don't see any reason why you would have to purchase
the book if the others don't. Is your DS making you buy the book?
Arielle

On 2/7/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
> about this).
>
> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>
> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
> could not leave the library).
>
> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act
>> for
>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>> Google-able.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners
>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek Manners
>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All:
>>>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the
>>>> University
>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some
>>>> librarians
>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>
>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Feb  8 00:02:50 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:02:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <047B42D0-ED65-480B-BC28-FA2B446ACE84@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the publisher's PDF.   I asked the legal team at NFB for clarification to make sure though. 

I'd say to explain the situation to the DS office and say that if you need to return the copy and have them make you a copy, that's fine. But explain to them that legally you don't have to buy the book if others don't have to either and that maybe the DS office should ask the publisher for a waiver for this specific instance. 

Best wishes and I'll post NFB's response. 

Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
> about this).
> 
> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
> 
> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
> could not leave the library).
> 
> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act for
>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>> Google-able.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Derek
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek Manners
>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All:
>>>>  Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>  I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>> 
>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  8 00:25:19 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:25:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>	<731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS223EF4FD07FF0F409220F07BA260@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

So did the professor purchase the textbook to be used in the library?  Or
did the college or university purchase this textbook for library use only? I
am just wondering if you might be able to obtain a copy of the receipt from
whoever purchased the textbook to give to the disability office. If you are
looking to obtain the textbook as soon as possible, this might be easier
than presenting the arguments Derek is proposing. 

I totally agree with what he is saying, but my experience tells me that
colleges and universities have a difficult time agreeing with this argument.
Personally, I would leave this battle for another day and find an
alternative way to gain access to the material in the textbook. Sacrificing
your grades for a battle you might not be able to win is not always worth it
in the end. However, this is only my personal opinion, and others may not
agree with me.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth





-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 4:38 PM
To: Derek Manners; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable about
this).

I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me, even
when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are not
jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.

My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the teacher
inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
She has not taught the class in several years, and found this psychology
book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would have
never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a copy of the
book in the university library on reserve for students to use so they
wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book could not leave
the library).

Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing, but I
still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not shelled out
the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the library copy and explain
what happened or do I really need to buy the book even though the rest of my
class doesn't have to?

Thanks,

On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just 
> to reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the 
> rehab act for school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they 
> don't know about the Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for 
> example the Hathitrust case involving the University of Michigan 
> Library), point them to it. Both are Google-able.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners 
>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of 
>> copyright law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing 
>> accessible copies for the blind for non-fiction works and the fair 
>> use doctrine has been ruled to always apply to blind people (see the 
>> Hathittust Case for example) which basically means everything not 
>> covered by the Chaffee amendment is still able to reproduced accessibly
for blind folks.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All:
>>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the 
>>> University Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the 
>>> University of Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be 
>>> made, in order to allow equal access to all books contained in the 
>>> libraries. Thus, they believe they ought to be able to scan and 
>>> process or receive already accessible formats of any given book. On 
>>> the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is impossible, 
>>> because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is technically true).
>>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis 
>>> research, I need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I 
>>> would rather not buy it, in the instance that the University already
owns it.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club Secretary, 
>>> Nevada Association of Blind Students Member, Honors College of the 
>>> University of Nevada, Reno Member, Speech and Debate at the 
>>> University of Nevada, Reno
>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 00:25:24 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:25:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <047B42D0-ED65-480B-BC28-FA2B446ACE84@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<D023487C-3AED-477A-83E9-93A9A0B5FD8D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<731F0A8F-D13B-4D58-A443-35631CC524E8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<CAFja7FZWVYAf89jZKW5qRtAg2SJQPgkOJjSUf_tbZT46RX93=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<047B42D0-ED65-480B-BC28-FA2B446ACE84@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDRQ=Ooccxq80uF1oTx2x5_Cb8Ld7-A9K3bHR=S2Hh9ng@mail.gmail.com>

Or, can't the DS office just borrow the book directly from the library
course reserve, scan it and return it? Seems like that would be giving
you access equal to what the other students get. If they want to make
you return the accessible digital version at the end of the term,
fine.
Arielle

On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to
> get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a
> copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and
> fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's
> technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the
> publisher's PDF.   I asked the legal team at NFB for clarification to make
> sure though.
>
> I'd say to explain the situation to the DS office and say that if you need
> to return the copy and have them make you a copy, that's fine. But explain
> to them that legally you don't have to buy the book if others don't have to
> either and that maybe the DS office should ask the publisher for a waiver
> for this specific instance.
>
> Best wishes and I'll post NFB's response.
>
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
>> about this).
>>
>> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
>> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
>> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>>
>> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
>> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
>> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
>> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
>> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
>> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
>> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
>> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
>> could not leave the library).
>>
>> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
>> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
>> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
>> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
>> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
>> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
>> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act
>>> for
>>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about
>>> the
>>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both
>>> are
>>> Google-able.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners
>>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been
>>>> ruled
>>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment
>>>> is
>>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Derek Manners
>>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All:
>>>>>  Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the
>>>>> University
>>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some
>>>>> librarians
>>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of
>>>>> copyright
>>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>>  I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather
>>>>> not
>>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>>
>>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Feb  8 00:29:21 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:29:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
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As I am going to be a teacher, I believe students should be active participants at their IEP meetings. I think receiving a braille copy and having the student facilitate the meeting is a great idea. I wish more schools provided students with that kind of access. 
I think making IEPs available to students will make transitions much easier. 
As a student I was always confused because I never knew what my IEP said. I could never plan effectively while I was in front of the CSE chair. 
I think it would be great to have the student deliver to the CSE chair on progress and goals. 
Great points
Bridget  

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 7, 27 Heisei, at 5:18 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I attended and participated in all of my IEP meetings as well. I was not a fan of IEP meetings but I absolutely agree that students who have IEP meetings should be present in the meetings related to them.
> --Miso
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 9:54 am
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share some thoughts about why I attended my own IEP
> meetings.  My TVI's encouraged me to play an active role in my
> personal and academic life.  I was given a braille copy of my IEP
> so that I could assist my TVI in reading it to the team.  It gave
> me the confidence to speak up for what I wanted.  I'd like to
> hear your thoughts on this topic.
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Feb  8 00:34:02 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:34:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
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To make a good copy of the book, they'd need to cut the binding which wouldn't make it accessible to others. 

As to the receipt idea proposed by Elizabeth, that's a good way to go too. 

If you have an iota of pushback on the legal argument and the receipt thing doesn't work, definitely contact me and or NFB legal. Elizabeth is right, you definitely don't want to get into a situation where they aren't letting you have the digital copy. 

In that same vein, as long as you have a digital copy saved on your computer and maybe emailed to yourself as a backup, they can't take it away from you and the publishers know the law so nobody is going to come after you practically speaking. Lol. This is mostly an academic and educational moment for you to have with the DS office. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2015, at 7:25 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Or, can't the DS office just borrow the book directly from the library
> course reserve, scan it and return it? Seems like that would be giving
> you access equal to what the other students get. If they want to make
> you return the accessible digital version at the end of the term,
> fine.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to
>> get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a
>> copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and
>> fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's
>> technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the
>> publisher's PDF.   I asked the legal team at NFB for clarification to make
>> sure though.
>> 
>> I'd say to explain the situation to the DS office and say that if you need
>> to return the copy and have them make you a copy, that's fine. But explain
>> to them that legally you don't have to buy the book if others don't have to
>> either and that maybe the DS office should ask the publisher for a waiver
>> for this specific instance.
>> 
>> Best wishes and I'll post NFB's response.
>> 
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
>>> about this).
>>> 
>>> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
>>> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
>>> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>>> 
>>> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
>>> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
>>> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
>>> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
>>> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
>>> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
>>> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
>>> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
>>> could not leave the library).
>>> 
>>> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
>>> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
>>> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
>>> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
>>> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
>>> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
>>> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>>>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act
>>>> for
>>>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about
>>>> the
>>>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>>>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both
>>>> are
>>>> Google-able.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Derek
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners
>>>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been
>>>>> ruled
>>>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment
>>>>> is
>>>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best wishes
>>>>> Derek Manners
>>>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello All:
>>>>>> Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the
>>>>>> University
>>>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some
>>>>>> librarians
>>>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of
>>>>>> copyright
>>>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>>> I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> --
>>> Kaiti
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 00:38:34 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2015 16:38:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
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Yes I absolutely agree. Although I attended my IEP's in high school
and a few before, I didn't really have an active role in the process.
Also, there were a couple of non-IEP "special meetings" between my
parents and teachers from which I was excluded over my protests. As
far as I know, these meetings were merely to answer teachers'
questions about my accommodation needs. I recall one meeting in
particular with my mother, TVI and future sixth-grade teachers at the
end of fifth grade. I wanted to participate but was denied, and
instead was required to wait in an adjoining room while the meeting
occurred. I actually spent the entire hour and a half with my ear
pressed up against the wall trying to see if I could hear what was
going on, which I couldn't. Funny story perhaps, but the whole
experience was incredibly disempowering. I still don't know what the
heck they discussed. Anyway, I definitely think blind students should
not only be active in their IEP's, but be in charge of other meetings
that might be requested.
Arielle

On 2/7/15, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As I am going to be a teacher, I believe students should be active
> participants at their IEP meetings. I think receiving a braille copy and
> having the student facilitate the meeting is a great idea. I wish more
> schools provided students with that kind of access.
> I think making IEPs available to students will make transitions much easier.
>
> As a student I was always confused because I never knew what my IEP said. I
> could never plan effectively while I was in front of the CSE chair.
> I think it would be great to have the student deliver to the CSE chair on
> progress and goals.
> Great points
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 7, 27 Heisei, at 5:18 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I attended and participated in all of my IEP meetings as well. I was not a
>> fan of IEP meetings but I absolutely agree that students who have IEP
>> meetings should be present in the meetings related to them.
>> --Miso
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 9:54 am
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Why I attended my own Iep meetings
>>
>> Dear Students,
>>
>> I'd like to share some thoughts about why I attended my own IEP
>> meetings.  My TVI's encouraged me to play an active role in my
>> personal and academic life.  I was given a braille copy of my IEP
>> so that I could assist my TVI in reading it to the team.  It gave
>> me the confidence to speak up for what I wanted.  I'd like to
>> hear your thoughts on this topic.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 05:16:28 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 00:16:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
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Derek
curious, what is your major?
are you studying law?

You seem to know more about the chafee amendment and  fair use than average. 
so I'm curious.
I knew about the chafee amendment, but have learned something about fair use 
doctrine from you today, although the term is not new to me. it was my 
understanding of fair use that it gives instructors and others who need it 
for instruction purposes the legal right to copy and dessiminate part of a 
work to the class.

So what law is that a part of and when was it last amended?
How does fair use apply to blind students?
Are you saying a school can legally copy a entire book or other scholarly 
work for us based on fair use?
Interesting if that is the case because I was under the understanding that 
they could only copy parts of a work or the whole thing if you bought the 
item.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Derek Manners via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:02 PM
To: Kaiti Shelton
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries

I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to 
get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a 
copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and 
fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's 
technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the 
publisher's PDF.   I asked the legal team at NFB for clarification to make 
sure though.

I'd say to explain the situation to the DS office and say that if you need 
to return the copy and have them make you a copy, that's fine. But explain 
to them that legally you don't have to buy the book if others don't have to 
either and that maybe the DS office should ask the publisher for a waiver 
for this specific instance.

Best wishes and I'll post NFB's response.

Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
> about this).
>
> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>
> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
> could not leave the library).
>
> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>
> Thanks,
>
>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act 
>> for
>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>> Google-able.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners 
>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek Manners
>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All:
>>>>  Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the 
>>>> University
>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some 
>>>> librarians
>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>  I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>
>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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> Kaiti

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Feb  8 05:49:51 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 00:49:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
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I'm at harvard law school and interested in financial regulatory law. I did my undergrad in economics, government majors and a business minor. 

Fair use is an exception to the copyright law found in section 107 of the copyright act. It was Reauthorized this December but those changes aren't reflected online yet. I don't believe it changed anything with fair use though. 

Educational purposes is one of the fair uses listed as an example but a court will look at these four factors to determine if something is a fair use. 

The purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes
The nature of the copyrighted work
The amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole
The effect of the use upon the potential market for, or value of, the copyrighted work. 
In the Hathitrust opinion and in older opinions, courts have said that it is always a fair use to make an accessible copy for the blind. 

Buying the item is just so the publisher will give you a copy. But for research, where books are in the library, when they are on book share or other authorized entities, you don't have to own a copy to have access to the work. That's just a rule by the publishers that universities follow because it's easier and less scary legally to get their permission. Most don't understand this law because it isn't explicit and you have to look at court cases. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners



Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 8, 2015, at 12:16 AM, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Derek
> curious, what is your major?
> are you studying law?
> 
> You seem to know more about the chafee amendment and  fair use than average. so I'm curious.
> I knew about the chafee amendment, but have learned something about fair use doctrine from you today, although the term is not new to me. it was my understanding of fair use that it gives instructors and others who need it for instruction purposes the legal right to copy and dessiminate part of a work to the class.
> 
> So what law is that a part of and when was it last amended?
> How does fair use apply to blind students?
> Are you saying a school can legally copy a entire book or other scholarly work for us based on fair use?
> Interesting if that is the case because I was under the understanding that they could only copy parts of a work or the whole thing if you bought the item.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Derek Manners via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 7:02 PM
> To: Kaiti Shelton
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries
> 
> I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the publisher's PDF.   I asked the legal team at NFB for clarification to make sure though.
> 
> I'd say to explain the situation to the DS office and say that if you need to return the copy and have them make you a copy, that's fine. But explain to them that legally you don't have to buy the book if others don't have to either and that maybe the DS office should ask the publisher for a waiver for this specific instance.
> 
> Best wishes and I'll post NFB's response.
> 
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
>> about this).
>> 
>> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
>> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
>> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>> 
>> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
>> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
>> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
>> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
>> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
>> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
>> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
>> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
>> could not leave the library).
>> 
>> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
>> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
>> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
>> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
>> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
>> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
>> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act for
>>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>>> Google-able.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Derek Manners
>>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All:
>>>>> Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
>>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
>>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>> I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  8 06:27:10 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 01:27:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
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Michael,

Excellent topic!

First for your specific situation, I suggest that you get the library staff 
or someone in dss to scan it for you.
Actually, I kind of agree with the librarian, its impossible to make all 
material accessible, but not because of copyright issues, but due to the 
volume of books and other material in a library. I mean its thousands if not 
a million in a large university library.
Also, the librarian is right about copyright. You cannot  copy a work with 
copyright on it still for everyone's use.
I think that is why your librarians said we cannot copy x or y because of 
copyright.

However, there is an exception. Because you have a disability, they can copy 
and produce the whole thing in alternate format for you.
As others said, the chafee ammendment allows it.

Another option that I've had to employ extensively is using the old 
fashioned human reader.
I suggest you do likewise if you cannot get it scanned.

Some rehab agencies pay for readers. I'd ask your vr counselor, if you have 
a case open, if they can pay for a reader for you.

Now, for your general question of library access.
It has been a mixed bag for me.
In general, I use the library extensively. I use it for study purposes, 
using the accessible computer to do homework and research, meeting others to 
study, just relaxing if I need a quiet place to stay a little while such as 
after class before my ride comes, and also for research purposes.
As you see, I use the library just as other students do but much of the time 
I'm not exactly using the library resources. I'm now taking electives at a 
community college called Nova as a shortened name standing for northern 
virginia community college.
But I went to George mason university, GMU, and Marymount university, MU,
for undergrad. I'll say some things first about my experience at all three 
places that relate to general use.
My experience has been like other students as far as I can tell.
All libraries have study rooms. I follow the procedures to get in them as 
other students which means I need a reservation at nova.
This has been a great place to study with groups as well as other class prep 
such as working on group presentations and projects.
I've also brought readers there to assist with access.
I've also made a lot of use of the computer and not just for research. I can 
check email, do personal internet surfing, and
check the college website for announcements. If you wonder why I do not just 
use my pc, well, because, the library was quieter, and in the dorm or living 
at home now, it can be noisier and distracting. I liked the quiet 
environment of the library.
I think we all can use the library for many reasons like everyone else.

Now as to specific research needs and completing work for papers.
That is a big topic. Where do I even begin.

I'll begin with librarians' assistance.
At MU they were not real helpful. They give me vague instructions to go to 
the right database, but no instruction about
searching the database. I don't recall Mu's catalog to find books being real 
accessible either.
I always asked librarians to find books and explained what I  needed. They 
got the books for me.
But not all books turned out to be relevant, and I do not know how much time 
they really spent searching.
Mu reference librarians were nice and approachable except for one. I just 
don't think they went out of their way to be helpful.
After explaining I needed more assistance and really wanted an appointment, 
I did get some assistance from  some reference associates and one librarian 
as I recall.

After getting material from reference staff, I then checked them out at 
circulation like everyone else.

At both the university settings and Nova, databases have been a huge 
obstacle. More on that at the end.

Now, at Nova, I'll mention the librarians too.
The librarians are good. They are patient, have excellent listening skills,
and really seem to want to help you. I am at a little disadvantage in that I 
cannot see the screen as they demonstrate how to research. But, to help me, 
they explain what they are doing or if its not busy, they may even leave the 
desk and show me on the accessible pc.
For retrieving books and other circulating items, they find it with me. They 
walk with me to the shelves and get the items.
If I'm with a reader, they seem to want them to fetch the material, but I 
think I'll talk to them and see if I can get them to still do it as I do not 
think its my reader's job to find it.

Some librarians are so helpful that they jot down things you need, and then 
look for it, and get back to you either in person or just emailing you the 
article or where to find it.

Now, here is the negative side. Some of this I've mentioned in other threads 
but it got little traffic.

Libraries are quite an inaccessible institution.
I cannot access any hard copy material which is most of the library 
collection.
No one will scan it for me, not that I've asked, but I know there is no one 
to do such a thing. Staff are stretched thin to serve the population that I 
cannot see them making time to scan anything.
The only  way I access circulating items is with a human reader.
I've had to pay readers out of pocket so fortunately my family is well off.
I did not use vr because they pay so low.
I try hard to determine whether an item is relevant so me and my reader do 
not waste too much time.
Using a reader has been challenging because of reliability issues and 
schedules.
All libraries have a wealth of scholarly books, periodicals, and reference 
material including encyclopedias.
I have to have another human with me to access it.

Nova even has lots of DVDS of documentaries and other educational things. 
I've used those on occasion if the story is fairly auditory.

Moving onto electronic material.
I've been rather disappointed. Electronic material has the potential to open 
doors, but seems like over half the time, the door is closed.
At all schools, no electronic books are accessible.
Nova uses adobe digital editions for most ebooks, and those are not 
accessible.

For databases, as I've complained in the past, its been my experience that 
many databases are not fully accessible.
Ebsco databases  are very problematic.
I cannot use the boolean operators to change the key word to say "Or" and 
not the default "And".
Additionally, many pdfs are either images or
text based but you cannot skim by paragraph with jaws.

Some general databases such as ProQuest and Jstor are accessible.
But specific subject matter databases are not.

Nova librarians work with me to find articles and we email them to myself.
They work with any student  when you make an appointment with them. For me, 
this has not only combatted the accessibility issues since they can click on 
things, but it goes faster because they can skim for relevant information. 
They also have expertise to know which key words to use.

After  getting them in the email, From there, I read them if they are 
accessible. If not, I can either use Openbook or a live reader.

The head of the Nova library is interested in accessibility. She is 
contacting ebsco on my behalf to see  if they can provide any guidance on 
using it with jaws or to get them to make it more accessible.
Our school has many ebsco databases, so I'm sure I'm not alone in my 
frustrations.
Specifically, I learned we have 36 ebsco databases at nova.

At Marymount, I tried to use academic search complete, another  ebsco 
databases, and
had the same issues I have now.

So, in summary, while I've received support from library staff, I feel I can 
only do so much at a library alone due to accessibility.
Whether its encountering an inaccessible ebook, unfriendly database, or 
print text,
such barriers have kept me from doing research alone. Of course, I've done 
it with a reader and found work arounds when needed. But its no easy 
endeavor.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 6:54 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Hello All:
Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University 
Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada, 
Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal 
access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they 
ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats 
of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is 
impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is 
technically true).
I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need 
access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it, 
in the instance that the University already owns it.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Pledge, Kappa Sigma
Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno

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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 23:15:18 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 17:15:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB National Scholarship
Message-ID: <CACXqA0pr_O1BENkNB=fWVujPA5YPckgYPHx9j27fbwE1xxMq9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Are you a high school senior or a college student?
Don't forget to apply for one of our 2015 national scholarships.
Thirty scholarships are awarded ranging from $3,000.00 to $12,000.00.
You can find all the details and the application at
www.nfb.org/scholarships.

Bre Brown
Secretary, NationalAssociation of Blind Students


From kkt34 at drexel.edu  Mon Feb  9 01:57:16 2015
From: kkt34 at drexel.edu (Kisiah K. Timmons)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2015 20:57:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Visually Impaired Market Researcher Seeks Assistance
Message-ID: <000b01d0440b$bb696540$323c2fc0$@drexel.edu>

Hello:

I would like the following post sent to the discussion group at large.
Thanks in advance for your assistance!!

[Beginning of post]

Are you interested in the accessibility of mobile computing devices?  Would
you like other consumer choices besides Apple products for your computing
needs?  A MBA graduate of Drexel University seeks sight impaired smart
phone/tablet users for a market research study to analyze the strength of
the business case for extensive accessibility features on mobile computing
devices.  Respondents will be asked to complete a brief, 10 question survey
online only; no secondary costs will be incurred by those who participate.
As compensation, respondents will be entered into drawings for two $50 Visa
gift cards for their participation.  To participate in the market research
study you must be 1) low vision, visually impaired, or blind, 2) own a
mobile computing device such as a smart phone or tablet, and 3) use at least
one device on a daily basis.

The survey is accessible and can be found at:

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/RWKPMLJ

To ensure you will be entered into the drawings, contact the researcher,
Kisiah Timmons, at KKT34 at Drexel.edu after the survey has been completed.

[End of post]

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns.  Thanks again.

Sincerely,

Kisiah K. Timmons, BSEE, MBA
Promoting Shared Value Between Firms and the Consumers They Serve

Join me on Linked In at:

Http://www.linkedin.com/in/ktimmonsbrand2014/




From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 13:38:02 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 08:38:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <6BFAE760E29D4251A98AE6A266FFA7AC@OwnerPC>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120596D@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<6BFAE760E29D4251A98AE6A266FFA7AC@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbzQ1UGWU4hbod85EFpNRUq4CUW9rLwxHjOzg6ctJfd6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Derek and all,

Thanks for the feedback.  Thankfully my DS office isn't stingy, and
they usually give me the first few chapters of the book at the least
before I even have a chance to show proof of purchase because our
bookstore is notoriously bad about getting books in and they see it
useless for me to fall behind as long as I show proof of purchase at
some point.

I believe the professor purchased a copy on her own budget and is just
going to keep it in the library for her two sections to use.  Perhaps
I could even get her to give me her recipt or a letter explaining what
has happened and her course of action.  They would have needed to scan
things anyway if she only had the one textbook in the library, so she
and I both agree that the difference between me purchasing the book
and showing proof that there is a copy purchased by someone for the
class to use is trivial.  She's one of those profs that is totally
willing to help out, and like I mentioned she feels bad about
assigning a $300 textbook in the first place, so I'll check in with
her today while we still have a few chapters of the book on my
computer in case hiccups happen and this process takes more time.

If I catch my counselor today she may just be able to look the book up
in the library catalog.

Thanks for the suggestions, and I'll definitely be in touch if they
aren't enough to get the proof of purchase thing out of the way.
Hopefully one of them will be successful.

On 2/8/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Excellent topic!
>
> First for your specific situation, I suggest that you get the library staff
>
> or someone in dss to scan it for you.
> Actually, I kind of agree with the librarian, its impossible to make all
> material accessible, but not because of copyright issues, but due to the
> volume of books and other material in a library. I mean its thousands if not
>
> a million in a large university library.
> Also, the librarian is right about copyright. You cannot  copy a work with
> copyright on it still for everyone's use.
> I think that is why your librarians said we cannot copy x or y because of
> copyright.
>
> However, there is an exception. Because you have a disability, they can copy
>
> and produce the whole thing in alternate format for you.
> As others said, the chafee ammendment allows it.
>
> Another option that I've had to employ extensively is using the old
> fashioned human reader.
> I suggest you do likewise if you cannot get it scanned.
>
> Some rehab agencies pay for readers. I'd ask your vr counselor, if you have
>
> a case open, if they can pay for a reader for you.
>
> Now, for your general question of library access.
> It has been a mixed bag for me.
> In general, I use the library extensively. I use it for study purposes,
> using the accessible computer to do homework and research, meeting others to
>
> study, just relaxing if I need a quiet place to stay a little while such as
>
> after class before my ride comes, and also for research purposes.
> As you see, I use the library just as other students do but much of the time
>
> I'm not exactly using the library resources. I'm now taking electives at a
> community college called Nova as a shortened name standing for northern
> virginia community college.
> But I went to George mason university, GMU, and Marymount university, MU,
> for undergrad. I'll say some things first about my experience at all three
> places that relate to general use.
> My experience has been like other students as far as I can tell.
> All libraries have study rooms. I follow the procedures to get in them as
> other students which means I need a reservation at nova.
> This has been a great place to study with groups as well as other class prep
>
> such as working on group presentations and projects.
> I've also brought readers there to assist with access.
> I've also made a lot of use of the computer and not just for research. I can
>
> check email, do personal internet surfing, and
> check the college website for announcements. If you wonder why I do not just
>
> use my pc, well, because, the library was quieter, and in the dorm or living
>
> at home now, it can be noisier and distracting. I liked the quiet
> environment of the library.
> I think we all can use the library for many reasons like everyone else.
>
> Now as to specific research needs and completing work for papers.
> That is a big topic. Where do I even begin.
>
> I'll begin with librarians' assistance.
> At MU they were not real helpful. They give me vague instructions to go to
> the right database, but no instruction about
> searching the database. I don't recall Mu's catalog to find books being real
>
> accessible either.
> I always asked librarians to find books and explained what I  needed. They
> got the books for me.
> But not all books turned out to be relevant, and I do not know how much time
>
> they really spent searching.
> Mu reference librarians were nice and approachable except for one. I just
> don't think they went out of their way to be helpful.
> After explaining I needed more assistance and really wanted an appointment,
>
> I did get some assistance from  some reference associates and one librarian
>
> as I recall.
>
> After getting material from reference staff, I then checked them out at
> circulation like everyone else.
>
> At both the university settings and Nova, databases have been a huge
> obstacle. More on that at the end.
>
> Now, at Nova, I'll mention the librarians too.
> The librarians are good. They are patient, have excellent listening skills,
> and really seem to want to help you. I am at a little disadvantage in that I
>
> cannot see the screen as they demonstrate how to research. But, to help me,
>
> they explain what they are doing or if its not busy, they may even leave the
>
> desk and show me on the accessible pc.
> For retrieving books and other circulating items, they find it with me. They
>
> walk with me to the shelves and get the items.
> If I'm with a reader, they seem to want them to fetch the material, but I
> think I'll talk to them and see if I can get them to still do it as I do not
>
> think its my reader's job to find it.
>
> Some librarians are so helpful that they jot down things you need, and then
>
> look for it, and get back to you either in person or just emailing you the
> article or where to find it.
>
> Now, here is the negative side. Some of this I've mentioned in other threads
>
> but it got little traffic.
>
> Libraries are quite an inaccessible institution.
> I cannot access any hard copy material which is most of the library
> collection.
> No one will scan it for me, not that I've asked, but I know there is no one
>
> to do such a thing. Staff are stretched thin to serve the population that I
>
> cannot see them making time to scan anything.
> The only  way I access circulating items is with a human reader.
> I've had to pay readers out of pocket so fortunately my family is well off.
> I did not use vr because they pay so low.
> I try hard to determine whether an item is relevant so me and my reader do
> not waste too much time.
> Using a reader has been challenging because of reliability issues and
> schedules.
> All libraries have a wealth of scholarly books, periodicals, and reference
> material including encyclopedias.
> I have to have another human with me to access it.
>
> Nova even has lots of DVDS of documentaries and other educational things.
> I've used those on occasion if the story is fairly auditory.
>
> Moving onto electronic material.
> I've been rather disappointed. Electronic material has the potential to open
>
> doors, but seems like over half the time, the door is closed.
> At all schools, no electronic books are accessible.
> Nova uses adobe digital editions for most ebooks, and those are not
> accessible.
>
> For databases, as I've complained in the past, its been my experience that
> many databases are not fully accessible.
> Ebsco databases  are very problematic.
> I cannot use the boolean operators to change the key word to say "Or" and
> not the default "And".
> Additionally, many pdfs are either images or
> text based but you cannot skim by paragraph with jaws.
>
> Some general databases such as ProQuest and Jstor are accessible.
> But specific subject matter databases are not.
>
> Nova librarians work with me to find articles and we email them to myself.
> They work with any student  when you make an appointment with them. For me,
>
> this has not only combatted the accessibility issues since they can click on
>
> things, but it goes faster because they can skim for relevant information.
> They also have expertise to know which key words to use.
>
> After  getting them in the email, From there, I read them if they are
> accessible. If not, I can either use Openbook or a live reader.
>
> The head of the Nova library is interested in accessibility. She is
> contacting ebsco on my behalf to see  if they can provide any guidance on
> using it with jaws or to get them to make it more accessible.
> Our school has many ebsco databases, so I'm sure I'm not alone in my
> frustrations.
> Specifically, I learned we have 36 ebsco databases at nova.
>
> At Marymount, I tried to use academic search complete, another  ebsco
> databases, and
> had the same issues I have now.
>
> So, in summary, while I've received support from library staff, I feel I can
>
> only do so much at a library alone due to accessibility.
> Whether its encountering an inaccessible ebook, unfriendly database, or
> print text,
> such barriers have kept me from doing research alone. Of course, I've done
> it with a reader and found work arounds when needed. But its no easy
> endeavor.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 6:54 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>
> Hello All:
> Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of Nevada,
>
> Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to allow equal
> access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they believe they
> ought to be able to scan and process or receive already accessible formats
> of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians suggested that it is
> impossible, because it is a violation of copyright laws (which is
> technically true).
> I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I need
> access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not buy it,
> in the instance that the University already owns it.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 21:04:33 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:04:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaD6NzXu0nLDUXm8Fa63txGdAmfrxc4q7UXz_t8iajG-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, NABSters,

Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.

I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
at Kroger.

I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
"Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
"Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
leafy things.
"I think it's somewhere around here."
"Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
"I don't see it."
Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).

This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
packaging.

I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).

I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
wait.

I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.

Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.

I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?

It's a tricky situation because
 --
Kaiti


From blindstein at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 21:15:10 2015
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 13:15:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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I used to always have problems like this. I actually have more memories of incompetent shoppers assistance than competent ones. It got so bad to a point that I just stopped asking for them. I realized that it was taking them just as long as it would take me, except that if I did it myself, I eventually would know what I was looking for and it would not take me as long. It is pretty easy for me to find meats and vegetables, since I can feel them. If I am looking for something that requires reading a label, are usually wait for a customer to come by and ask them. I usually make sure that I am standing in and I'll where I think what I am looking for would be found. 

If this is not an option, another thing I would suggest is when you do find a competent chopper's assistant, ask their name, and when they are around.

Regards
Justin

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, NABSters,
> 
> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
> 
> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
> at Kroger.
> 
> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
> leafy things.
> "I think it's somewhere around here."
> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
> "I don't see it."
> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
> 
> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
> packaging.
> 
> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
> 
> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
> wait.
> 
> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
> 
> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
> 
> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
> 
> It's a tricky situation because
> --
> Kaiti
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 21:28:51 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 13:28:51 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaD6NzXu0nLDUXm8Fa63txGdAmfrxc4q7UXz_t8iajG-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kaiti,
As I read your post I was smiling a bit, not because your story is
happy or fun, but because I have had the exact same experiences at
multiple grocery stores. I had one gentleman take about fifteen
minutes to unsuccessfully find me a can of creamed corn because he was
looking at the pictures instead of reading the labels on the cans. A
customer finally pointed out the right can to us. It is incredibly
frustrating to be at the mercy of someone who for whatever reason is
not able to efficiently provide the access you need, especially for
somebody like me who doesn't have enough vision to decipher if we are
moving toward green vegetables. The problem is compounded for me
because I have to shop for two people, myself and my husband who is
very particular about his brands and getting the best value possible
on everything.
My husband and I have come up with three solutions that are all good
in various combinations. One is to shop online, if you have a store
near you with delivery or a service like InstaCart or Amazon Fresh. I
have had very positive experiences with delivery. There is some added
expense, but in some cases it can be comparable to a cab ride home
from the store. The second option is to bring a trusted reader with
you and then compensate that person either financially or in some
other way like making them a meal or helping them with schoolwork.
This is my favorite option if you can find a good person and either
afford the expense or find another good way to compensate them. The
bonus is that after a while this person will learn what you like to
buy and you can kind of relax and chat with them while they help you
shop. The third arrangement I have with my husband, if my readers
aren't available and we don't feel like shopping online, is that he
goes to the store an extra week and I prepare an extra meal that week
to compensate him for the extra shopping. He is sighted, and a very
efficient grocery shopper, so doesn't have the aforementioned issues.
If you have a roommate who doesn't like to cook or do laundry, you
could perhaps make an arrangement to have them shop for you and take
on their share of other domestic responsibilities. Between these three
alternative methods, I have basically given up on in-store shopping
assistants and found I can get what I need with minimal aggravation. I
hope at least one of these methods will work for you. I agree that
it's great for the stores to employ people with intellectual
disabilities, but it seems like all employees (not just disabled ones)
should have to pass some kind of customer service test before being
dispatched to work directly with customers. Best of luck!
Arielle

On 2/9/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, NABSters,
>
> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>
> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
> at Kroger.
>
> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
> leafy things.
> "I think it's somewhere around here."
> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
> "I don't see it."
> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>
> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
> packaging.
>
> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>
> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
> wait.
>
> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>
> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>
> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>
> It's a tricky situation because
>  --
> Kaiti
>
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Feb  9 21:54:34 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 16:54:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Hi,
I am in high school, so do not go through this. I have a comment about asking the manager to educate their employees on disabilities. Instead, maybe you or someone from your NFB chapter could come in and talk to the employees and maybe even teach the manager. My consern is that thc manager might not know how to guide a blind person, and might reteach negative attitudes.
Best,
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, NABSters,
> 
> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
> 
> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
> at Kroger.
> 
> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
> leafy things.
> "I think it's somewhere around here."
> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
> "I don't see it."
> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
> 
> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
> packaging.
> 
> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
> 
> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
> wait.
> 
> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
> 
> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
> 
> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
> 
> It's a tricky situation because
> --
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  9 23:01:47 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:01:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
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Kaiti,

Really? I cannot believe what I'm reading about the services provided to 
you.
My library databases whether being at marymount or Nova, have been 
problematic too.
Oh, a few accessible ones like Psych Info or Jstor, but mostly semi 
accessible.

Marymount university, MU, only provided some support after I begged staff to 
have appointments with me.
Up till then, I got only the reference support given to other students at 
the library.

All throughout my college experience at Mu and Nova, I have had to pretty 
much make my own accomodations.
Libraries are full of print material which is inaccessible to us.
So I use scanning or human readers to help.
If you think the library ebooks are helpful, think again.
The library uses adobe digital editions books which have been inaccessible 
to me.
I've pretty much had to plan my research time around other's schedules when 
they can assist me.
I've always needed books for research so had to bring readers with me to 
make all that print accessible.
I did have a few psychology papers in which I used Psych info a lot. Using 
the database accessible pdf files or HTML articles gave me access, and that 
work I did more independently.
But most research papers required human intervention.

So back to your accomodations.
Who scans all these library materials for you?
Which materials do you use?
What is the turn around time?
What format do you use? word files?

I was just informed by nova that if I wanted image pdf documents accessible, 
I could submit them to the coordinator, but it could take four weeks.
She encouraged me to learn to do it myself because of the time lag.
So, my school will not convert class material to accessible files timely, 
let alone library material!
They call four weeks waiting a reasonable accomodation. What a joke!

You are very lucky. No one offered to scan library materials for me. I've 
never asked. It never occurred to me to ask for homework material to be 
accessible.
My accomodations only cover classroom material and test accomodations.

I've tried doing it myself with openbook and rarely is it readable enough; 
too many mistakes with the OCR.

So again, you are lucky. Tell us how your school does it. whichwhic h school 
do you attend?

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 4:38 PM
To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries

Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
about this).

I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.

My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
could not leave the library).

Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?

Thanks,

On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act 
> for
> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
> Google-able.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello All:
>>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the 
>>> University
>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 23:25:03 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 18:25:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] University Libraries
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The way my school sees it, research is an assignment which is due as
part of class work.  So, you should have access to library materials
you need in order to do your research.  Typically I do have to be more
organized as far as knowing my topic so I can request the
inter-library loan in advance to allow vor conversion time as well,
and sometimes when the pdf file comes back I can convert it using robo
braille, but the student workers in the DS office will convert
anything I still need and will usually get it to me within a few days.

My school climate may be different.  From what I can tell not a lot of
people seem to need in depth file conversions.  I just get them back
as text files, which I understand is a bit easier for the OLR (office
of learning resources) to do than word or other files that involve
formatting pictures and such.  I've thankfully never had to use human
readers to access the material, and if I can't do it independently I
usually work with my professors to find alternatives.  Sometimes
they'll even know of an article in a journal in their office or on
their computer and send it to me as a suggestion in an accessible
format.

On 2/9/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti,
>
> Really? I cannot believe what I'm reading about the services provided to
> you.
> My library databases whether being at marymount or Nova, have been
> problematic too.
> Oh, a few accessible ones like Psych Info or Jstor, but mostly semi
> accessible.
>
> Marymount university, MU, only provided some support after I begged staff to
>
> have appointments with me.
> Up till then, I got only the reference support given to other students at
> the library.
>
> All throughout my college experience at Mu and Nova, I have had to pretty
> much make my own accomodations.
> Libraries are full of print material which is inaccessible to us.
> So I use scanning or human readers to help.
> If you think the library ebooks are helpful, think again.
> The library uses adobe digital editions books which have been inaccessible
> to me.
> I've pretty much had to plan my research time around other's schedules when
>
> they can assist me.
> I've always needed books for research so had to bring readers with me to
> make all that print accessible.
> I did have a few psychology papers in which I used Psych info a lot. Using
> the database accessible pdf files or HTML articles gave me access, and that
>
> work I did more independently.
> But most research papers required human intervention.
>
> So back to your accomodations.
> Who scans all these library materials for you?
> Which materials do you use?
> What is the turn around time?
> What format do you use? word files?
>
> I was just informed by nova that if I wanted image pdf documents accessible,
>
> I could submit them to the coordinator, but it could take four weeks.
> She encouraged me to learn to do it myself because of the time lag.
> So, my school will not convert class material to accessible files timely,
> let alone library material!
> They call four weeks waiting a reasonable accomodation. What a joke!
>
> You are very lucky. No one offered to scan library materials for me. I've
> never asked. It never occurred to me to ask for homework material to be
> accessible.
> My accomodations only cover classroom material and test accomodations.
>
> I've tried doing it myself with openbook and rarely is it readable enough;
> too many mistakes with the OCR.
>
> So again, you are lucky. Tell us how your school does it. whichwhic h school
>
> do you attend?
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 4:38 PM
> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>
> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
> about this).
>
> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>
> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
> could not leave the library).
>
> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>
> Thanks,
>
> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act
>> for
>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>> Google-able.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners
>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Derek Manners
>>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All:
>>>>   Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the
>>>> University
>>>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>>>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>>>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>>>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>>>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some
>>>> librarians
>>>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>>>> laws (which is technically true).
>>>>   I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>>>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>>>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>
>>>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>>>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>>>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>>>
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>
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> Kaiti
>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 00:05:05 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 16:05:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Hi,

I can certainly sympathize with all of those frustrations.
Unfortunately, money does result in better customer service whether it
is with clothes shopping at Nordstrom versus Ross or a local grocery
store versus a chain.

Admittedly, I have resorted to mostly online shopping and buying
perishable foods at a nicer grocery store. But my partner and I
continuously battle over who is going to do the shopping, and half the
time, it resorts in us going out because neither of us feels like
going to the store after work.

Amazon has a Pantry option. It is only useful if you need a lot of
stuff, but it is a lot more widely available than Fresh and contains a
ton of nonperishable items at very low prices.

You could try calling ahead to the store although I have never done this.

I agree that you should ask when a good shopping assistant works.
However, you should also ask the bad shopping assistants for their
name and when they work. If you have an opportunity to come at a
different time, do so. If not, you could potentially tell the customer
service agent that it did not work out well with that employee
although I would use that as a last resort.

I have learned the shape, size, and approximate location of most foods
that I buy. If a shopping assistant is not finding what I want, I find
something of similar shape and size and show it to them. I also
sometimes point out the area of shelf that it is typically on. I am
very persistent as often shopping assistants will say they don't have
something when they don't find it right away. I will say something
like, "I bought this here before," or "This is a really common item.
I'm sure you have it." 99% of the time, they do have it. I also insist
that I touch everything before it goes into the cart. I have pointed
out a lot of incorrectly-sized containers that have been picked out
and occasionally the wrong product.

Sometimes, bringing the list in print helps, but I always have the
list in braille.

If you are very concerned about the service at a particular store, you
might try calling the manager. Explain that you want to do business at
that particular store and ask if they have recommendations of an
employee who would be a good communicator and who knows the store.

Also, if the store has accessible sales ads online, I have found that
shopping according to those not only saves me money, but these items
are often on display and easier to find. If the sales ads are not
accessible, you might call the manager. One store manager sent us
spreadsheets of the sales ads for the particular store. She was not
persistent, and we did not ask again since we don't shop there often,
but if you get the ads once, you will always have an email address to
contact should the ads discontinue. If the ads are not accessible,
this would be a good use of a reader. They could either clip coupons
or ads. You could label them in braille. Often, coupons and ads have
pictures of the food which could help the shopping assistant. If it is
just a sales ad, save the picture if you plan to buy the product again
regardless of whether it is on sale.

I am sorry to hear about your difficulties. I think that poor customer
service is a chronic problem. I don't want to think about the money I
have spent just because I am tired and don't feel like dealing with an
incompetent person, or a person at all in the case of online shopping.
One way I justify this is by choosing to buy healthier foods and local
foods. I receive excellent customer service at a local grocery store
that prepares all of their meat in house and sources it from
Washington farms. Since I shop according to the sales ads, I feel like
I spend about the same amount of money that I would buying mass
sourced meat at the cheaper grocery store. Similar with produce, in
season fruit is often what is on sale and is often what will taste
better anyway. But I have definitely been in college and buying
freshly ground beef was definitely not an option. The good thing about
being in college though is that it is often easier to find someone who
is willing to do a menial task for not too much money. So I definitely
recommend using a reader if you have one or in trading favors.

Cindy



On 2/9/15, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am in high school, so do not go through this. I have a comment about
> asking the manager to educate their employees on disabilities. Instead,
> maybe you or someone from your NFB chapter could come in and talk to the
> employees and maybe even teach the manager. My consern is that thc manager
> might not know how to guide a blind person, and might reteach negative
> attitudes.
> Best,
> Mikayla
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, NABSters,
>>
>> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
>> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
>> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>>
>> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
>> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
>> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
>> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
>> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
>> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
>> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
>> at Kroger.
>>
>> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
>> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
>> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
>> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
>> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
>> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
>> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
>> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
>> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
>> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
>> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
>> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
>> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
>> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
>> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
>> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
>> leafy things.
>> "I think it's somewhere around here."
>> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
>> "I don't see it."
>> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>>
>> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
>> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
>> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
>> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
>> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
>> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
>> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
>> packaging.
>>
>> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
>> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
>> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
>> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
>> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
>> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>>
>> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
>> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
>> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
>> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
>> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
>> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
>> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
>> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
>> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
>> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
>> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
>> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
>> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
>> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
>> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
>> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
>> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
>> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
>> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
>> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
>> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
>> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
>> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
>> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
>> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
>> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
>> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
>> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
>> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
>> wait.
>>
>> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
>> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
>> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
>> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
>> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
>> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
>> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
>> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
>> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
>> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
>> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
>> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
>> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
>> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
>> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>>
>> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
>> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
>> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
>> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
>> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
>> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
>> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
>> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
>> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
>> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
>> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>>
>> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
>> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
>> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>>
>> It's a tricky situation because
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 01:15:21 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 20:15:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Hi all,

Cindy, those are great suggestions I will try as well.  In my family's
experiences "M Perks" haven't been that great in most sales, as they
are primarily for those 2 for 5 deals which can sometimes sell you too
much for only pennies less than the sale price, but the pictures would
be nice to have.

I did get the names of the two people I shopped with; thankfully I
always make a point of knowing the person's name in case I need to get
their attention.

I would prefer to at least get my fresh produce at this particular
store unless I find a farmer's market nearby.  I do like the customer
service at the Kroger and I know a guy from my local NFB chapter also
shops there, but their produce just isn't as good.

On the plus side, buying some things online would certainly reduce my
grocery trips, which can be hard to fit in some weekends as I'm sure
they can be for everyone.

I make sure to put things in the cart as well, even if the shopping
assistant gets them off the shelf for me (I'm also short, so they
usually have to do this at least once in a grocery trip), but I agree
that handling the items is really important.

One thing that I may do even if the coupons don't jazz me is take
pictures of things I have already.  E.G, the specific brand of rice
milk, and the Oatnut bread that most assistants have never seen
before.  I could just keep them on my IPhone and pull them up whenever
I'm out.

On 2/9/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I can certainly sympathize with all of those frustrations.
> Unfortunately, money does result in better customer service whether it
> is with clothes shopping at Nordstrom versus Ross or a local grocery
> store versus a chain.
>
> Admittedly, I have resorted to mostly online shopping and buying
> perishable foods at a nicer grocery store. But my partner and I
> continuously battle over who is going to do the shopping, and half the
> time, it resorts in us going out because neither of us feels like
> going to the store after work.
>
> Amazon has a Pantry option. It is only useful if you need a lot of
> stuff, but it is a lot more widely available than Fresh and contains a
> ton of nonperishable items at very low prices.
>
> You could try calling ahead to the store although I have never done this.
>
> I agree that you should ask when a good shopping assistant works.
> However, you should also ask the bad shopping assistants for their
> name and when they work. If you have an opportunity to come at a
> different time, do so. If not, you could potentially tell the customer
> service agent that it did not work out well with that employee
> although I would use that as a last resort.
>
> I have learned the shape, size, and approximate location of most foods
> that I buy. If a shopping assistant is not finding what I want, I find
> something of similar shape and size and show it to them. I also
> sometimes point out the area of shelf that it is typically on. I am
> very persistent as often shopping assistants will say they don't have
> something when they don't find it right away. I will say something
> like, "I bought this here before," or "This is a really common item.
> I'm sure you have it." 99% of the time, they do have it. I also insist
> that I touch everything before it goes into the cart. I have pointed
> out a lot of incorrectly-sized containers that have been picked out
> and occasionally the wrong product.
>
> Sometimes, bringing the list in print helps, but I always have the
> list in braille.
>
> If you are very concerned about the service at a particular store, you
> might try calling the manager. Explain that you want to do business at
> that particular store and ask if they have recommendations of an
> employee who would be a good communicator and who knows the store.
>
> Also, if the store has accessible sales ads online, I have found that
> shopping according to those not only saves me money, but these items
> are often on display and easier to find. If the sales ads are not
> accessible, you might call the manager. One store manager sent us
> spreadsheets of the sales ads for the particular store. She was not
> persistent, and we did not ask again since we don't shop there often,
> but if you get the ads once, you will always have an email address to
> contact should the ads discontinue. If the ads are not accessible,
> this would be a good use of a reader. They could either clip coupons
> or ads. You could label them in braille. Often, coupons and ads have
> pictures of the food which could help the shopping assistant. If it is
> just a sales ad, save the picture if you plan to buy the product again
> regardless of whether it is on sale.
>
> I am sorry to hear about your difficulties. I think that poor customer
> service is a chronic problem. I don't want to think about the money I
> have spent just because I am tired and don't feel like dealing with an
> incompetent person, or a person at all in the case of online shopping.
> One way I justify this is by choosing to buy healthier foods and local
> foods. I receive excellent customer service at a local grocery store
> that prepares all of their meat in house and sources it from
> Washington farms. Since I shop according to the sales ads, I feel like
> I spend about the same amount of money that I would buying mass
> sourced meat at the cheaper grocery store. Similar with produce, in
> season fruit is often what is on sale and is often what will taste
> better anyway. But I have definitely been in college and buying
> freshly ground beef was definitely not an option. The good thing about
> being in college though is that it is often easier to find someone who
> is willing to do a menial task for not too much money. So I definitely
> recommend using a reader if you have one or in trading favors.
>
> Cindy
>
>
>
> On 2/9/15, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I am in high school, so do not go through this. I have a comment about
>> asking the manager to educate their employees on disabilities. Instead,
>> maybe you or someone from your NFB chapter could come in and talk to the
>> employees and maybe even teach the manager. My consern is that thc
>> manager
>> might not know how to guide a blind person, and might reteach negative
>> attitudes.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, NABSters,
>>>
>>> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
>>> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
>>> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>>>
>>> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
>>> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
>>> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
>>> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
>>> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
>>> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
>>> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
>>> at Kroger.
>>>
>>> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
>>> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
>>> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
>>> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
>>> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
>>> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
>>> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
>>> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
>>> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
>>> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
>>> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
>>> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
>>> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
>>> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
>>> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
>>> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
>>> leafy things.
>>> "I think it's somewhere around here."
>>> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
>>> "I don't see it."
>>> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>>>
>>> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
>>> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
>>> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
>>> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
>>> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
>>> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
>>> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
>>> packaging.
>>>
>>> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
>>> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
>>> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
>>> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
>>> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
>>> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>>>
>>> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
>>> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
>>> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
>>> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
>>> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
>>> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
>>> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
>>> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
>>> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
>>> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
>>> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
>>> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
>>> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
>>> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
>>> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
>>> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
>>> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
>>> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
>>> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
>>> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
>>> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
>>> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
>>> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
>>> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
>>> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
>>> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
>>> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
>>> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
>>> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
>>> wait.
>>>
>>> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
>>> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
>>> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
>>> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
>>> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
>>> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
>>> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
>>> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
>>> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
>>> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
>>> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
>>> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
>>> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
>>> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
>>> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>>>
>>> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
>>> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
>>> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
>>> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
>>> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
>>> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
>>> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
>>> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
>>> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
>>> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
>>> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>>>
>>> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
>>> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
>>> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>>>
>>> It's a tricky situation because
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>>
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> --
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> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 02:56:44 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 21:56:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Hi Kaiti,
You’ve gotten some really good advice. Learning how to make use of a shopping assistant is definitely a learning process and to be sure, not everyone assigned to assist is naturally good at it. 

Even so, I have found that being as clear as possible has led to more success, even when the person assisting me may not naturally be good at describing what I need/finding items on the shelves. When this happens, I find that knowing what a particular item is near, where it is in the section, and even sometimes giving a physical description. When the person assisting me has a hard time finding something but then does locate it, I make a point to ask what it is next to or what color is the packaging etc. I don’t always remember but sometimes that info comes in handy  the next time. 
As for finding deals, I shop the online ads for my store or use the iPhone app. That gives me a good idea for some items. For others, I ask how much the store brand costs and if there are other options that are more or less expensive from there. I find that most people who assist me are great at finding the best deal so I just ask them for price and how many ounces and do rough math in my head. 

Now, I live within walking distance of a Kroger and so shop much more often. If I get matched up with someone who is clearly having a hard time finding what I need, sometimes I punt and get the essentials and plan to come back later in the week. I know that’s not convenient, especially if you are paying for transportation. I don’t think there is anything wrong with giving feedback to a manager if you didn’t have a great experience with someone assisting you. Maybe calling after you leave would be best, but saying something like, “I was just in your store and so-and-so helped me shop. I appreciate you assigning someone to shop with me but I wanted to let you know that so-and-so had a hard time finding a lot of the items I needed." 

The online option is also fantastic if it is available in your area and you are currently paying for transportation to and from the store. 

Best of luck.

-Greg

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Cindy, those are great suggestions I will try as well.  In my family's
> experiences "M Perks" haven't been that great in most sales, as they
> are primarily for those 2 for 5 deals which can sometimes sell you too
> much for only pennies less than the sale price, but the pictures would
> be nice to have.
> 
> I did get the names of the two people I shopped with; thankfully I
> always make a point of knowing the person's name in case I need to get
> their attention.
> 
> I would prefer to at least get my fresh produce at this particular
> store unless I find a farmer's market nearby.  I do like the customer
> service at the Kroger and I know a guy from my local NFB chapter also
> shops there, but their produce just isn't as good.
> 
> On the plus side, buying some things online would certainly reduce my
> grocery trips, which can be hard to fit in some weekends as I'm sure
> they can be for everyone.
> 
> I make sure to put things in the cart as well, even if the shopping
> assistant gets them off the shelf for me (I'm also short, so they
> usually have to do this at least once in a grocery trip), but I agree
> that handling the items is really important.
> 
> One thing that I may do even if the coupons don't jazz me is take
> pictures of things I have already.  E.G, the specific brand of rice
> milk, and the Oatnut bread that most assistants have never seen
> before.  I could just keep them on my IPhone and pull them up whenever
> I'm out.
> 
> On 2/9/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I can certainly sympathize with all of those frustrations.
>> Unfortunately, money does result in better customer service whether it
>> is with clothes shopping at Nordstrom versus Ross or a local grocery
>> store versus a chain.
>> 
>> Admittedly, I have resorted to mostly online shopping and buying
>> perishable foods at a nicer grocery store. But my partner and I
>> continuously battle over who is going to do the shopping, and half the
>> time, it resorts in us going out because neither of us feels like
>> going to the store after work.
>> 
>> Amazon has a Pantry option. It is only useful if you need a lot of
>> stuff, but it is a lot more widely available than Fresh and contains a
>> ton of nonperishable items at very low prices.
>> 
>> You could try calling ahead to the store although I have never done this.
>> 
>> I agree that you should ask when a good shopping assistant works.
>> However, you should also ask the bad shopping assistants for their
>> name and when they work. If you have an opportunity to come at a
>> different time, do so. If not, you could potentially tell the customer
>> service agent that it did not work out well with that employee
>> although I would use that as a last resort.
>> 
>> I have learned the shape, size, and approximate location of most foods
>> that I buy. If a shopping assistant is not finding what I want, I find
>> something of similar shape and size and show it to them. I also
>> sometimes point out the area of shelf that it is typically on. I am
>> very persistent as often shopping assistants will say they don't have
>> something when they don't find it right away. I will say something
>> like, "I bought this here before," or "This is a really common item.
>> I'm sure you have it." 99% of the time, they do have it. I also insist
>> that I touch everything before it goes into the cart. I have pointed
>> out a lot of incorrectly-sized containers that have been picked out
>> and occasionally the wrong product.
>> 
>> Sometimes, bringing the list in print helps, but I always have the
>> list in braille.
>> 
>> If you are very concerned about the service at a particular store, you
>> might try calling the manager. Explain that you want to do business at
>> that particular store and ask if they have recommendations of an
>> employee who would be a good communicator and who knows the store.
>> 
>> Also, if the store has accessible sales ads online, I have found that
>> shopping according to those not only saves me money, but these items
>> are often on display and easier to find. If the sales ads are not
>> accessible, you might call the manager. One store manager sent us
>> spreadsheets of the sales ads for the particular store. She was not
>> persistent, and we did not ask again since we don't shop there often,
>> but if you get the ads once, you will always have an email address to
>> contact should the ads discontinue. If the ads are not accessible,
>> this would be a good use of a reader. They could either clip coupons
>> or ads. You could label them in braille. Often, coupons and ads have
>> pictures of the food which could help the shopping assistant. If it is
>> just a sales ad, save the picture if you plan to buy the product again
>> regardless of whether it is on sale.
>> 
>> I am sorry to hear about your difficulties. I think that poor customer
>> service is a chronic problem. I don't want to think about the money I
>> have spent just because I am tired and don't feel like dealing with an
>> incompetent person, or a person at all in the case of online shopping.
>> One way I justify this is by choosing to buy healthier foods and local
>> foods. I receive excellent customer service at a local grocery store
>> that prepares all of their meat in house and sources it from
>> Washington farms. Since I shop according to the sales ads, I feel like
>> I spend about the same amount of money that I would buying mass
>> sourced meat at the cheaper grocery store. Similar with produce, in
>> season fruit is often what is on sale and is often what will taste
>> better anyway. But I have definitely been in college and buying
>> freshly ground beef was definitely not an option. The good thing about
>> being in college though is that it is often easier to find someone who
>> is willing to do a menial task for not too much money. So I definitely
>> recommend using a reader if you have one or in trading favors.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 2/9/15, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I am in high school, so do not go through this. I have a comment about
>>> asking the manager to educate their employees on disabilities. Instead,
>>> maybe you or someone from your NFB chapter could come in and talk to the
>>> employees and maybe even teach the manager. My consern is that thc
>>> manager
>>> might not know how to guide a blind person, and might reteach negative
>>> attitudes.
>>> Best,
>>> Mikayla
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, NABSters,
>>>> 
>>>> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
>>>> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
>>>> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
>>>> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
>>>> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
>>>> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
>>>> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
>>>> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
>>>> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
>>>> at Kroger.
>>>> 
>>>> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
>>>> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
>>>> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
>>>> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
>>>> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
>>>> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
>>>> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
>>>> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
>>>> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
>>>> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
>>>> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
>>>> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
>>>> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
>>>> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
>>>> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
>>>> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
>>>> leafy things.
>>>> "I think it's somewhere around here."
>>>> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
>>>> "I don't see it."
>>>> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>>>> 
>>>> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
>>>> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
>>>> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
>>>> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
>>>> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
>>>> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
>>>> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
>>>> packaging.
>>>> 
>>>> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
>>>> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
>>>> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
>>>> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
>>>> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
>>>> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>>>> 
>>>> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
>>>> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
>>>> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
>>>> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
>>>> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
>>>> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
>>>> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
>>>> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
>>>> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
>>>> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
>>>> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
>>>> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
>>>> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
>>>> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
>>>> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
>>>> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
>>>> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
>>>> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
>>>> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
>>>> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
>>>> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
>>>> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
>>>> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
>>>> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
>>>> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
>>>> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
>>>> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
>>>> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
>>>> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
>>>> wait.
>>>> 
>>>> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
>>>> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
>>>> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
>>>> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
>>>> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
>>>> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
>>>> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
>>>> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
>>>> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
>>>> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
>>>> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
>>>> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
>>>> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
>>>> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
>>>> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
>>>> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
>>>> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
>>>> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
>>>> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
>>>> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
>>>> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
>>>> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
>>>> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
>>>> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
>>>> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>>>> 
>>>> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
>>>> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
>>>> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> It's a tricky situation because
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti
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>> 
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> 
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 19:13:17 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:13:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] office 365 and jaws 16
Message-ID: <001b01d04565$a0da7830$e28f6890$@gmail.com>

I have windows 7, with jaws 16 and office 365 and the emailing work on line?
How does office 365 and jaws 16 work together?

Are they compativle and accessible?  Where is the
instructions/tutorials/seminars that work with jaws 16 and Office 365 while
using it for emails on line?  

 

Justin.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 19:21:27 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:21:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
Message-ID: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>

Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I am
with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with outlook
365 and jaws 16, that would be great.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 20:04:28 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:04:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Summer Internships for People with Disabilities at
	the National Gallery of Art
References: <BY1PR09MB0421A7D5BA76DCE7DA6814F091240@BY1PR09MB0421.namprd09.prod.outlook.com>
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Please see below for an interesting internship opportunity for students with disabilities in the Washington DC area. I hope those who are interested will consider applying.

Chris Nusbaum

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> From: "Baines, Lorena via Nfbmdtlc-chapter" <nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org>
> Date: February 10, 2015 at 2:23:40 PM EST
> To: "nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org" <nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbmdtlc-chapter] Summer Internships for People with Disabilities at the National Gallery of Art
> Reply-To: "Baines, Lorena" <L-Baines at NGA.GOV>, Towson/Lutherville/Cockysville Maryland Chapter List <nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org>
> 
> The National Gallery of Art is pleased to announce Summer Internships for People with Disabilities. Nine-week summer internships provide opportunities to work on projects directed by a Gallery curator or department head. Biweekly museum seminars introduce interns to the broad spectrum of museum work, and to Gallery staff, departments, programs, and functions.
> Eligibility
> Any college student (degree- and non-degree-seeking), graduate student, law student, or recent graduate (degree must have been received no earlier than 2014) is invited to apply. You will not be required to disclose your specific disability; however, your application for this program will signify that you consider yourself a person with a disability. Applicants from all backgrounds are encouraged to apply.
> Questions
> If you have any questions about the application process or the program, please send inquiries to Mattie Schloetzer, program administrator for internships and fellowships (intern at nga.gov).
> Terms
> Summer interns are in residence at the Gallery from June 8 to August 7, 2015. Interns receive a stipend of approximately $4,500 that is subject to all applicable taxes. In addition, interns receive a monthly public transportation subsidy.
> Deadline
> Complete application packets must be received by Monday, March 23, 2015.
> To apply visit: http://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/opportunities/interns-and-fellows/graduate/summer-internship-people-with-disabilities.html
> Sponsor
> These internships are provided under a contract with the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.
>  
>  
> Lorena Baines
> Manager of Accessible Programs
> National Gallery of Art
> Washington, D.C.
> 202-842-6905
>  
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 10 21:15:57 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:15:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] publisher files and question on if school downloads files
Message-ID: <BEEF69AC439443349CE70FC918E86BAA@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Does your school get publisher files for you or scan books for you?
If so, which format? At marymount university, MU, I got files in pdf or word. All throughout college the dss staff downloaded files for me and handed them to me on cd typically or emailed zipped files to me. I did not need to  download files. I also 
used audio texts a lot from RFB or what is now learning ally. I used my school account sometime or my personal account.
Of course, if I did not like the e text or none was available, I used readers too.
With these options, I did fine and was well prepped for college.

I  am now in a disturbing position.
I received the files for the english literature text
They use drop box. When I sought clarification on whether I needed an account and how to download them, the director of disabilities campus wide sent me a rude note. She implies I need to learn more and be prepared for college.

So, my question is, is downloading files a college readiness skill to you? Did you learn to use drop box before college?
Honestly, it never occurred to me to have to learn that.
She is insinuating I need to learn to be prepared for college; even though I have attended for years with the accessible text options described above.

What do you think ? And is her note mean or what?

Oh, and why did the a assistive tech coordinator just write to me one sentence saying sorry I cannot help you. You need to learn this for college. Instead, she goes to her supervisor to have her write.
An exerpt below.

It has come to my attention that you have been requesting our Assistive technology Coordinator for support that goes beyond her responsibilities.  Learning how to use Drop Box, download files, etc, is part of your college ready knowledge. She can request the alternate book for you and send it to the Drop Box for you to download, but she will not be able to tell you how large the file is because each book has a different length and this is controlled by the publisher.  You will need to follow her instructions on how to download and that is all the support you will get.  If the file comes in 37+ files, this is how we receive it from the publisher and we are not allowed to touch it or convert it any other way. So yes, if there are those many files, you will have to download them all if you will be using all the chapters of the book.

I know you are very savvy on using Jaws and that is an excellent asset  for you when accessing online information. I suggest you start also preparing yourself with learning how to use other common tools used in college such as downloading and saving files, transferring files to a flash drive, converting files from one format to another if that is your choice, etc. 

Thanks for your thoughts.

Please know that I’ve downloaded files from other sources like blackboard, email, and NLS and copied files to storage devices too. So I do feel I know what I’m doing generally.

In my next message, I’ll ask about drop box.

Ashley

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:18:57 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:18:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] publisher files and question on if school downloads
	files
In-Reply-To: <BEEF69AC439443349CE70FC918E86BAA@OwnerPC>
References: <BEEF69AC439443349CE70FC918E86BAA@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <008c01d04577$2f0b0320$8d210960$@gmail.com>

It would help to know dropbox maybe, but that shouldn't be necessary; your options above seemed sufficient. I don't know how to use dropboxeither, but it is something I intend to learn as that it is soemthing which is used by many.
The formats you mentioned above should be sufficient.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] publisher files and question on if school downloads files

Hi all,

Does your school get publisher files for you or scan books for you?
If so, which format? At marymount university, MU, I got files in pdf or word. All throughout college the dss staff downloaded files for me and handed them to me on cd typically or emailed zipped files to me. I did not need to  download files. I also used audio texts a lot from RFB or what is now learning ally. I used my school account sometime or my personal account.
Of course, if I did not like the e text or none was available, I used readers too.
With these options, I did fine and was well prepped for college.

I  am now in a disturbing position.
I received the files for the english literature text They use drop box. When I sought clarification on whether I needed an account and how to download them, the director of disabilities campus wide sent me a rude note. She implies I need to learn more and be prepared for college.

So, my question is, is downloading files a college readiness skill to you? Did you learn to use drop box before college?
Honestly, it never occurred to me to have to learn that.
She is insinuating I need to learn to be prepared for college; even though I have attended for years with the accessible text options described above.

What do you think ? And is her note mean or what?

Oh, and why did the a assistive tech coordinator just write to me one sentence saying sorry I cannot help you. You need to learn this for college. Instead, she goes to her supervisor to have her write.
An exerpt below.

It has come to my attention that you have been requesting our Assistive technology Coordinator for support that goes beyond her responsibilities.  Learning how to use Drop Box, download files, etc, is part of your college ready knowledge. She can request the alternate book for you and send it to the Drop Box for you to download, but she will not be able to tell you how large the file is because each book has a different length and this is controlled by the publisher.  You will need to follow her instructions on how to download and that is all the support you will get.  If the file comes in 37+ files, this is how we receive it from the publisher and we are not allowed to touch it or convert it any other way. So yes, if there are those many files, you will have to download them all if you will be using all the chapters of the book.

I know you are very savvy on using Jaws and that is an excellent asset  for you when accessing online information. I suggest you start also preparing yourself with learning how to use other common tools used in college such as downloading and saving files, transferring files to a flash drive, converting files from one format to another if that is your choice, etc. 

Thanks for your thoughts.

Please know that I’ve downloaded files from other sources like blackboard, email, and NLS and copied files to storage devices too. So I do feel I know what I’m doing generally.

In my next message, I’ll ask about drop box.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 10 21:20:12 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:20:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
Message-ID: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

My school shares accessible files via drop box.

As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
Can you tell me   if its accessible.
Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an account?
If I create an account, is there a captua?

If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person’s account to get the files?

I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not the only one who must be confused.

Thanks.

Ashley

From royal.shakita at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:24:05 2015
From: royal.shakita at gmail.com (Shakita)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:24:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Visual studio keyboard commands
Message-ID: <582912D4-C4E0-4A1C-89FB-C81CF808F637@gmail.com>

Hello everyone. I am taking a visual basics class. I do not know any of the keyboard shortcuts for visual studio. Could someone please send me a list or a link to a list of keyboard shortcuts that would be useful for me to use? Four example, how to name a form or a project.  And  how to get back to the design view from the properties menu. I would greatly appreciate it.

Sent from my iPhone

From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:26:48 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 15:26:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] publisher files and question on if school downloads
	files
In-Reply-To: <008c01d04577$2f0b0320$8d210960$@gmail.com>
References: <BEEF69AC439443349CE70FC918E86BAA@OwnerPC>
	<008c01d04577$2f0b0320$8d210960$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9s=tG0=OPBReekS-6+CcgeUONJRRjGZ8gM4RfOWN5EX6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  Using dropbox isn't that hard.  I'd recommend setting up a
shared dropbox folder with your DSS office and having them just paste
your files for your english book in that folder.  They won't have to
zip the files as is the case if you downloaded the files from the
dropbox site.  Downloading dropbox files is the same as downloading
other files.  You would receive the files to download in an email,
enter on the file you need to download.  The dropbox site would come
up, and you'd be asked to either open or save the file as you would
any other file you need to download.  Good luck.  That letter you
received does seem rather rude.  I'm sure you know how to download
files.  Good luck.


On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It would help to know dropbox maybe, but that shouldn't be necessary; your
> options above seemed sufficient. I don't know how to use dropboxeither, but
> it is something I intend to learn as that it is soemthing which is used by
> many.
> The formats you mentioned above should be sufficient.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] publisher files and question on if school downloads files
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does your school get publisher files for you or scan books for you?
> If so, which format? At marymount university, MU, I got files in pdf or
> word. All throughout college the dss staff downloaded files for me and
> handed them to me on cd typically or emailed zipped files to me. I did not
> need to  download files. I also used audio texts a lot from RFB or what is
> now learning ally. I used my school account sometime or my personal account.
> Of course, if I did not like the e text or none was available, I used
> readers too.
> With these options, I did fine and was well prepped for college.
>
> I  am now in a disturbing position.
> I received the files for the english literature text They use drop box. When
> I sought clarification on whether I needed an account and how to download
> them, the director of disabilities campus wide sent me a rude note. She
> implies I need to learn more and be prepared for college.
>
> So, my question is, is downloading files a college readiness skill to you?
> Did you learn to use drop box before college?
> Honestly, it never occurred to me to have to learn that.
> She is insinuating I need to learn to be prepared for college; even though I
> have attended for years with the accessible text options described above.
>
> What do you think ? And is her note mean or what?
>
> Oh, and why did the a assistive tech coordinator just write to me one
> sentence saying sorry I cannot help you. You need to learn this for college.
> Instead, she goes to her supervisor to have her write.
> An exerpt below.
>
> It has come to my attention that you have been requesting our Assistive
> technology Coordinator for support that goes beyond her responsibilities.
> Learning how to use Drop Box, download files, etc, is part of your college
> ready knowledge. She can request the alternate book for you and send it to
> the Drop Box for you to download, but she will not be able to tell you how
> large the file is because each book has a different length and this is
> controlled by the publisher.  You will need to follow her instructions on
> how to download and that is all the support you will get.  If the file comes
> in 37+ files, this is how we receive it from the publisher and we are not
> allowed to touch it or convert it any other way. So yes, if there are those
> many files, you will have to download them all if you will be using all the
> chapters of the book.
>
> I know you are very savvy on using Jaws and that is an excellent asset  for
> you when accessing online information. I suggest you start also preparing
> yourself with learning how to use other common tools used in college such as
> downloading and saving files, transferring files to a flash drive,
> converting files from one format to another if that is your choice, etc.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Please know that I’ve downloaded files from other sources like blackboard,
> email, and NLS and copied files to storage devices too. So I do feel I know
> what I’m doing generally.
>
> In my next message, I’ll ask about drop box.
>
> Ashley
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:33:49 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:33:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC>
References: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <9C157CEF-29FF-4E4F-BF64-822168A1AE8A@gmail.com>

You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way, you can save files to your computer
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My school shares accessible files via drop box.
> 
> As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
> Can you tell me   if its accessible.
> Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an account?
> If I create an account, is there a captua?
> 
> If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person’s account to get the files?
> 
> I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not the only one who must be confused.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 21:35:16 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:35:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
Message-ID: <54da79ba.e32b320a.4dd2.0637@mx.google.com>

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ownload=20it=20
without=20an=20account.=20=20There=20is=20no=20captcha=20for=20creating=20t=
he=20account=20
or=20logging=20in=20with=20a=20new=20device,=20but=20if=20you=20want=20to=20=
access=20your=20
account=20through=20a=20web=20browser=20instead=20of=20the=20dropbox=20app=
=20or=20
software,=20there=20is=20a=20captcha=20that=20has=20to=20be=20done=20once=20=
to=20trust=20
that=20computer.=20=20Of=20course,=20this=20makes=20it=20inaccessible=20to=
=20the=20
Braillenote.=20=20I've=20used=20it=20very=20successfully=20with=20my=20IPho=
ne,=20
however,=20and=20I've=20been=20able=20to=20download=20files=20from=20links=
=20onto=20my=20
Braillenote=20as=20well.=20=20Hope=20this=20helps!=20=20There=20is=20also=20=
relatively=20
decent=20documentation=20online,=20so=20your=20best=20bet=20is=20probably=20=
to=20just=20
set=20up=20your=20account=20and=20follow=20the=20directions.=20=20It=20is=20=
free=20after=20
all,=20and=20it's=20something=20you=20can=20offer=20to=20use=20instead=20of=
=20less=20
accessible=20options=20like=20Google=20Dr.

Hope=20this=20helps,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=2010=20Feb=202015=2016:20:12=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

Hi=20all,

My=20school=20shares=20accessible=20files=20via=20drop=20box.

As=20I=20mentioned=20last=20email,=20I=20have=20not=20used=20it.
Can=20you=20tell=20me=20=20=20if=20its=20accessible.
Can=20I=20simply=20download=20files=20from=20a=20folder=20link=20or=20do=20=
I=20need=20an=20
account?
If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20is=20there=20a=20captua?

If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20how=20do=20I=20link=20up=20to=20the=20oth=
er=20person=E2=80=99s=20
account=20to=20get=20the=20files?

I=20know=20people=20asked=20before=20about=20drop=20box=20on=20list,=20so=20=
I=E2=80=99m=20not=20
the=20only=20one=20who=20must=20be=20confused.

Thanks.

Ashley
_______________________________________________
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To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
unt=20info=20
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 22:01:37 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 14:01:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I became a member of the student division because?
Message-ID: <1D07404D-53CF-4A07-B2EF-8903A040F164@gmail.com>

 Hi all,
  Many of us consider ourselves in one way or another a member of our local or national student division or both.
 what got you involved in either? what keeps you around? 
  If you happen to hold an elected office, what made you take on the responsibility  and workload? 
  Thanks,
   Darian 

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Feb 10 23:20:40 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:20:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd:  University Libraries
References: <CY1PR0701MB1194348919E8211BBD6EA75ECA240@CY1PR0701MB1194.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <738A12F9-552C-472A-BE22-83FFC640FCF1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

The following is the email I received from the general counsel of the NFB in regard to on-hold library book and fees generally. 

Best wishes
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Sidhu,Mehgan" <msidhu at nfb.org>
> Date: February 10, 2015 at 4:56:17 PM EST
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>, "Yingling, Valerie" <Vyingling at nfb.org>
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] University Libraries
> 
> Derek,
>  
> I believe the publishers often require payment because the Chaffee amendment only applies to “authorized entities.”  There is some question of what an authorized entity is – Bookshare, NLS, etc., are clearly authorized entities.  In Judge Baer’s district court decision in the Hathi Trust case he found a university could be an “authorized entity” under Chafee, which was huge.  But a publisher itself would not, I believe, qualify as a Chafee entity.  I would think the publisher providing an accessible copy of the book would constitute a fair use, but since they are protecting the rightsholder and their business interest, I gather they perceive doing so as problematic and favor Chafee entities as the place to go for no-cost books, but I am speculating. 
>  
> The university, of course, has a separate obligation under the ADA and 504 to provide equal access to students with disabilities.  So, if a $300 book is on reserve for non-disabled students in a class to access without cost, it must provide the book in accessible copy without cost to a blind student in that class, as you have noted.
>  
> Interestingly, a different problem regarding the cost issue recently came up on our radar when a student’s university insisted she could not keep the accessible copies of books she acquired through her DSS office, even though she had paid for them.  We had not encountered this before and perhaps will learn more about the cost imposition as our counsel addresses the matter.
>  
> Best,
> Mehgan 
>  
> Mehgan Sidhu
> General Counsel
> National Federation of the Blind
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
> Telephone 410-659-9314 ext. 2314
> Fax: 410-659-5129
> E-mail: msidhu at nfb.org
> Web site: www.nfb.org
>  
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>  
> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want.
>  
> CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this information is prohibited. If this was sent to you in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message.
>  
>  
> From: Derek Manners [mailto:dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu] 
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:59 PM
> To: Yingling, Valerie
> Cc: Sidhu,Mehgan
> Subject: Fwd: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>  
> This was a tricky question on the NABS listserv. I've never understood the legality of having to show proof of purchase to get a PDF for the book. I assume that basically the publisher provides a copy because of the proof of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and fair use doctrine allow the school to make a copy on their own, it's technically not a legal requirement, just a requirement to get the publisher's PDF?
>  
> Best wishes 
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Date: February 7, 2015 at 4:38:02 PM EST
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries
> 
> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
> about this).
> 
> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
> 
> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
> could not leave the library).
> 
> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act for
> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
> Google-able.
>  
> Best wishes
> Derek
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
>  
> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>  
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  
> Hello All:
>  Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
> laws (which is technically true).
>  I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>  
> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>  
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>  
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti

From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 10 23:38:20 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:38:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Google calendar
Message-ID: <6DD45429-EA1A-4998-8044-7E76A13A0C0E@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone use google calendar?
If so, does it work with jaws or voice over?
How do I get it started?

Thanks
Bre Brown

Secretary, National Association of Blind Students


Sent from my iPad


From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Tue Feb 10 23:46:18 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:46:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] 2015 LightHouse Youth Leaders Summit at Enchanted Hills
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D5115E0@email.rrlh-sf.local>

Strengthen your team by strengthening yourself.



The LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired is proud to announce our annual Youth Leaders Summit, a weekend-long course held at Enchanted Hills Camp. The summit is designed to challenge low vision and blind youth ages 16 to 25 to develop the critical skills needed in order to become a successful team member or team leader.



Alongside peers and mentors, attendees will have the opportunity to role play real world situations and discuss important soft skills concepts such as attitude and perception, effective communication, conflict resolution and problem solving. At the conclusion of the summit, participants will have a better understanding of how to effectively communicate and work well with a team.



When: Friday, March 27 through Sunday, March 29

Where: Enchanted Hills Camp, Napa

Cost: There is no cost to apply for the LightHouse Youth Leaders Summit; however, a referral and authorization from your Department of Rehabilitation counselor must be submitted with your application

Transportation: A shuttle from the Ed Roberts Campus will depart on Friday at 1:30 pm and will return on Sunday by 3:30 p.m.



Applications and DOR authorizations must be received at the LightHouse by Monday, March 16.



For questions, more information or to receive an application, please contact Jamey Gump, Youth Services Coordinator, at jgump at lighthouse-sf.org or (415) 694-7372.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 10 23:50:58 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <9C157CEF-29FF-4E4F-BF64-822168A1AE8A@gmail.com>
References: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC>
	<9C157CEF-29FF-4E4F-BF64-822168A1AE8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3633C35B9B14E41A30E917E7209B22B@OwnerPC>

Aleeha,

Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to share file with you.
I put xx instead of her name.
They gave me the folder link.
I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
She won’t tell me and I looked several times for a button to save or download files.
. All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.

I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to save files to the pc.
But here is my question and concern.
There is so many files!
IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me download and unzip it with all files there.
So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every single file. Is that right?
Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
I really hope  I don’t have to download every single file one by one.    

Thanks.

Ashley

From: Aleeha Dudley 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box

You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way, you can save files to your computer

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

  On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Hi all,

  My school shares accessible files via drop box.

  As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
  Can you tell me   if its accessible.
  Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an account?
  If I create an account, is there a captua?

  If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person’s account to get the files?

  I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not the only one who must be confused.

  Thanks.

  Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 11 00:07:12 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:07:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <54da79ba.e32b320a.4dd2.0637@mx.google.com>
References: <54da79ba.e32b320a.4dd2.0637@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F6E339F429C2451DBD5DF7AB7EF47A9D@OwnerPC>

Hi,
well, she sent me a link.
But I do not see the files; only the note stating how many files are there.
It says
the following when I clickon it
"join drop box to view this folder"

So it appears I have to join it based on what I see.
if I do not figure out another way, I'll join and see what happens.

And, to the person who said that you will see buttons to open or save files 
and you click on save, thanks.
Knowing downloading files should be that easy makes me feel a little better.
When she refused to give me instructions, I really was panicking; she is 
giving me a little less than a week to download them, so I hope it’s a 
simple process as there are tons of files.

Ashley



-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:35 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: re: [nabs-l] drop box

If they send you a link to the file, you can just download it
without an account.  There is no captcha for creating the account
or logging in with a new device, but if you want to access your
account through a web browser instead of the dropbox app or
software, there is a captcha that has to be done once to trust
that computer.  Of course, this makes it inaccessible to the
Braillenote.  I've used it very successfully with my IPhone,
however, and I've been able to download files from links onto my
Braillenote as well.  Hope this helps!  There is also relatively
decent documentation online, so your best bet is probably to just
set up your account and follow the directions.  It is free after
all, and it's something you can offer to use instead of less
accessible options like Google Dr.

Hope this helps,
Karl

----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:20:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box

Hi all,

My school shares accessible files via drop box.

As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
Can you tell me   if its accessible.
Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an
account?
If I create an account, is there a captua?

If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person?�s
account to get the files?

I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I?�m not
the only one who must be confused.

Thanks.

Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:18:26 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:18:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
Message-ID: <54da9ff9.26de320a.6691.ffff8d30@mx.google.com>

Ashley,=20the=20point=20of=20dropbox=20is=20that=20all=20your=20files=20are=
=20in=20the=20
cloud.=20=20You=20can=20download=20them=20if=20you=20really=20want=20to,=20=
but=20if=20you=20
have=20an=20account=20and=20internet=20access=20you=20can=20just=20read=20a=
nd=20edit=20
all=20your=20files=20right=20on=20Dropbox.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=2010=20Feb=202015=2018:50:58=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

Aleeha,

Good=20to=20know.=20Okay,=20what=20happened=20was=20they=20sent=20me=20a=20=
link=20to=20the=20
drop=20box=20folder=20with=20subject=20line=20of=20email=20was=20=20xxx=20w=
ants=20to=20
share=20file=20with=20you.
I=20put=20xx=20instead=20of=20her=20name.
They=20gave=20me=20the=20folder=20link.
I=20=20clicked=20on=20the=20link.=20And,=20bang!=20I=20ran=20into=20issues.=

I=20saw=20only=20=20a=20note=20saying=20there=20was=2037=20files.
So,=20how=20can=20I=20download=20them=20from=20=20folder=20link=20she=20sen=
t=20me?
She=20won=E2=80=99t=20tell=20me=20and=20I=20looked=20several=20times=20for=
=20a=20button=20to=20
save=20or=20download=20files.
.=20All=20I=20saw=20was=20a=20form=20to=20sign=20in=20and=20links=20to=20cr=
eate=20account.

I=20think=20its=20best=20to=20create=20an=20account=20for=20the=20reason=20=
you=20said,=20to=20
save=20files=20to=20the=20pc.
But=20here=20is=20my=20question=20and=20concern.
There=20is=20so=20many=20files!
IMO,=20it=20would=20be=20easier=20to=20simply=20zip=20a=20file=20up=20for=20=
me=20and=20me=20
download=20and=20unzip=20it=20with=20all=20files=20there.
So,=20I=20suppose=20this=20means=20I=20have=20to=20sit=20down=20and=20downl=
oad=20every=20
single=20file.=20Is=20that=20right?
Is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20download=20all=20contents=20of=20the=20folder?
I=20really=20hope=20=20I=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20to=20download=20every=20s=
ingle=20file=20one=20
by=20one.

Thanks.

Ashley

From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2010,=202015=204:33=20PM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

You=20can,=20however,=20download=20files=20from=20a=20folder=20link=20that=
=20someone=20
sends=20you.=20If=20you=20sign=20up=20for=20an=20account,=20there=20is=20no=
=20captcha=20and=20
the=20process=20is=20very=20easy.=20It=20is=20best=20to=20get=20an=20accoun=
t,=20that=20way,=20
you=20can=20save=20files=20to=20your=20computer

Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Bl=
ind=20of=20
Ohio
Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindness=20=
is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=
=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=2010,=202015,=20at=204:20=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20=
nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20My=20school=20shares=20accessible=20files=20via=20drop=20box.

=20=20As=20I=20mentioned=20last=20email,=20I=20have=20not=20used=20it.
=20=20Can=20you=20tell=20me=20=20=20if=20its=20accessible.
=20=20Can=20I=20simply=20download=20files=20from=20a=20folder=20link=20or=20=
do=20I=20need=20an=20
account?
=20=20If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20is=20there=20a=20captua?

=20=20If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20how=20do=20I=20link=20up=20to=20the=
=20other=20
person=E2=80=99s=20account=20to=20get=20the=20files?

=20=20I=20know=20people=20asked=20before=20about=20drop=20box=20on=20list,=
=20so=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20
the=20only=20one=20who=20must=20be=20confused.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley
=20=20_______________________________________________
=20=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list
=20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
=20=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=
=20account=20
info=20for=20nabs-l:
=20=20
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993%40gmail.com

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:31:08 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:31:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I became a member of the student division because?
Message-ID: <54daa307.4135e00a.1329.ffff82ee@mx.google.com>

Hi Darian thanks for your message.  I became a part of the Nabs 
mailing list because I wanted to meet other blind students.  One 
thing that keeps me around is the publications that are produced 
by the Nfb and its affilliates.


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:47:50 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 16:47:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Google calendar
In-Reply-To: <6DD45429-EA1A-4998-8044-7E76A13A0C0E@gmail.com>
References: <6DD45429-EA1A-4998-8044-7E76A13A0C0E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdw=7yidBuYArGOSky88K0zZs6vuN_Xx61z2WG8QCmop0A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bre,

I have not used Google Calendar with VoiceOver on a Mac. It does not
work well with JAWS or NVDA. I just looked for information on how to
share a calendar accessibly with the web view and Google's
accessibility page says they are working on it, so that's a sign...

Anyway, I have achieved some success. I recommend you use the calendar
on your iPhone most of the time to manage events and just share your
calendar on the web view through the hack I will talk about.

To use a Google calendar on your iPhone, first sync the corresponding
mail account with your iPhone and make sure calendars are turned on to
sync. Your calendar will automatically sync with your phone, but if
anyone shares their calendar with you, and if you want to have access
to it, click this link in Safari on your iPhone, sign in to the email
account, and check the box of your colleague's calendar(s) that you
want to sync with your phone. Note: free/busy calendars do not sync.
So tell your colleagues and they will either get over it or not share
their calendar with you. But even with agenda view, the most
accessible web view of calendar, I have not figured out how to
efficiently differentiate which event corresponds with which calendars
and I have about 50 million shared with me, so if anyone has
suggestions on that, that would be very helpful.

Anyway, bookmark this link on your phone so you can always have it
available should you need to sync or unsync calendars from your
iPhone's calendar app.



https://www.google.com/calendar/syncselect

The iOS calendar app has a calendars button near the bottom of the
screen. Tap this button to bring up a list of all of your synced
calendars. After you have synced all of your calendars to your iPhone,
you will be able to double tap each calendar that you want to show up
in the calendars app at a particular time. You will notice that if you
have calendars from other email accounts such as your school or
personal account syncing to iPhone, they will all be here. I find that
if I want to view one or two calendars, I press the "show all
calendars button" which then turns into the "hide all calendars"
button. I press this which erases all calendars. I then swipe through
and select the one or two that I want to see. This prevents me from
having to remember which calendars are currently showing and which
calendars I want to be showing. Press the "done" button and voila, you
should be able to see the calendars you want to view at that
particular time.

It is very easy to add an event using the calendars app.

Currently, you cannot invite other people to events on your Google
calendars via the iPhone app.to; You can just invite people if you
indicate the calendar as your iCloud one and if you invite other
iCloud email addresses. I have not used this feature except for
Washington Seminar. I find that confirming event times via email and
trusting others to create events in their own calendars has worked for
me just fine.

You also cannot share a calendar on the iPhone calendar app. To share
a calendar, I recommend that you ask the person to request access to
your calendar. You might want to ask a non screen reader user to do
this for you unless someone has tips on how to accessibly request
access to someone's Google calendar. This will generate an email to
you with a link that you can click. This link will take you to a page.
Find the edit box; it will have the requester's email address inside.
Simply press save and the person will then have access to your
calendar. I have noticed that if I am clicking the link through Safari
on my iPhone, I sometimes have to press "save" twice. If you are using
your organization's email on top of the Gmail interface, you might get
an alert message asking if you are sure you would like to share your
calendar with someone outside your organization. This is the case if I
share my school email address with a generic Gmail user. Just press
ok, easy to do, and the settings will update. Save this link however,
because you can use it to share your calendar with others. To add
another email address to share your calendar with, find the edit box
with the original requester's email address. Place a comma after the
email address, and type the email address of anyone you want to share
your calendar with. That is my hack. You may have to check a box that
says something like "give access to certain people" or something like
that before the edit box with the original requester's email address
becomes accessible to edit with another person's email address. But
this is traversable with JAWS.

I'd send you one that I have gotten, but the links have the user's
username as a part of the URL, and I don't want anyone to indirectly
share their calendar with this person as I believe if you click the
link it will default to include the original requester's email address
in the edit box.

Finally, remember that each time someone shares a new calendar with
you, you will need to click that link to sync it with iPhone. So
bookmark it in Safari!

Google is supposed to be coming out with a Calendar app soon, so
here's to hoping for it to be accessible and to include all of the
features available on the web!

Cindy



On 2/10/15, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone use google calendar?
> If so, does it work with jaws or voice over?
> How do I get it started?
>
> Thanks
> Bre Brown
>
> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:49:00 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:49:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you want to see in the Braille Monitor?
Message-ID: <54daa737.857ce00a.0c1c.ffff8709@mx.google.com>

Good Evening Students,

I would like to know what you want to see in the Braille Monitor 
each month.  I am planning to write a letter to Gary Wunder 
suggesting some topics for future issues.  Look forward to 
reading your responses.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 00:58:58 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 19:58:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google calendar
Message-ID: <54daa98d.435fe00a.3ae9.ffff8f65@mx.google.com>

Hi Cindy I use Siri on my IPad to schedule important appointments 
for certain dates and times.  For example, I have my first Fabs 
meeting scheduled for this Sunday at 6-00 Pm.  When my 
appointment is over I tell Siri to remove it from my calendar.


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 01:33:55 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:33:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Google calendar
In-Reply-To: <54daa98d.435fe00a.3ae9.ffff8f65@mx.google.com>
References: <54daa98d.435fe00a.3ae9.ffff8f65@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdxT5Jw7U9nDuaYeWFbfmBEysN7SChXiF80ENTZ5g4LTDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Siri can be a great way to schedule and remove events if the dictation
works. I am not sure however, if events scheduled through Siri default
to iCloud calendar or to the calendar you have designated as your
default so it would be worth confirming that if you care which
calendar events are scheduled on.

Cindy

On 2/10/15, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Cindy I use Siri on my IPad to schedule important appointments
> for certain dates and times.  For example, I have my first Fabs
> meeting scheduled for this Sunday at 6-00 Pm.  When my
> appointment is over I tell Siri to remove it from my calendar.
>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 01:58:09 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 20:58:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <54da9ff9.26de320a.6691.ffff8d30@mx.google.com>
References: <54da9ff9.26de320a.6691.ffff8d30@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d1J-WmPQK-rS-8jY=0vQDOh9-_SucpPUJy0wg67Fqrgg@mail.gmail.com>

they need to send an invitation for the folder.
then you need to open an account. even though you have an account they
need to send you an invitation.
I don't remember how accessible the account page was. but ones it set
up, it it a peace of cake to use it.
it is like a regular folder on your desktop. you just simple hit enter
and see the folder. tehn you can copy and paste.
there are lots of info online. you can read more about it.so I won't write more.
but as a summary, it is good and no problem about accessibility. if
there is maybe a few problems during the registration or while
inviting others.
enjoy using it.

2015-02-10 19:18 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Ashley, the point of dropbox is that all your files are in the
> cloud.  You can download them if you really want to, but if you
> have an account and internet access you can just read and edit
> all your files right on Dropbox.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> Aleeha,
>
> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the
> drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to
> share file with you.
> I put xx instead of her name.
> They gave me the folder link.
> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
> She won’t tell me and I looked several times for a button to
> save or download files.
> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
>
> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to
> save files to the pc.
> But here is my question and concern.
> There is so many files!
> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me
> download and unzip it with all files there.
> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every
> single file. Is that right?
> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
> I really hope  I don’t have to download every single file one
> by one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone
> sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and
> the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way,
> you can save files to your computer
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of
> Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s
> ears.” - Arabian proverb
>
>   On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   My school shares accessible files via drop box.
>
>   As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>   Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>   Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an
> account?
>   If I create an account, is there a captua?
>
>   If I create an account, how do I link up to the other
> person’s account to get the files?
>
>   I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not
> the only one who must be confused.
>
>   Thanks.
>
>   Ashley
>   _______________________________________________
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 02:01:38 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:01:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
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I think every student should have a dropbox account so you have
another way of backing up your files. I have a dropbox account and I
share a lot of files with my friends and classmates and that's how we
collaborate on a lot of things. The sign up process is extremely easy;
just create an account using your email address and download the desk
top app to your computer. Once someone shares a folder with you, you
can click accept and the files will automatically download to the
dropbox folder without you having to click download on every single
file. The cool thing about the desk top application too is it stays
running in the background so you don't have to launch it every single
time you use it; all your files are stored in a folder that is exactly
the same as any other folder that you have on your hard drive.

Minh

On 2/10/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ashley, the point of dropbox is that all your files are in the
> cloud.  You can download them if you really want to, but if you
> have an account and internet access you can just read and edit
> all your files right on Dropbox.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> Aleeha,
>
> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the
> drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to
> share file with you.
> I put xx instead of her name.
> They gave me the folder link.
> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
> She won't tell me and I looked several times for a button to
> save or download files.
> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
>
> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to
> save files to the pc.
> But here is my question and concern.
> There is so many files!
> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me
> download and unzip it with all files there.
> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every
> single file. Is that right?
> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
> I really hope  I don't have to download every single file one
> by one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone
> sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and
> the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way,
> you can save files to your computer
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of
> Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> "The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's
> ears." - Arabian proverb
>
>   On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   My school shares accessible files via drop box.
>
>   As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>   Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>   Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an
> account?
>   If I create an account, is there a captua?
>
>   If I create an account, how do I link up to the other
> person's account to get the files?
>
>   I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I'm not
> the only one who must be confused.
>
>   Thanks.
>
>   Ashley
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-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 02:02:15 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:02:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
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	<CAMtP_9d1J-WmPQK-rS-8jY=0vQDOh9-_SucpPUJy0wg67Fqrgg@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok I didn't see the other emails. just sign up and have an account.
then you will have a folder on your desktop or in your documents
called dropbox.
when you hit enter, you'll see you shared folder with your school.
when the school puts a file there you will otomaticly see it. you
don't need to downloadanything.
if you delete or change something in the file. the school will see it
as well. so in order to work on them, you may want to copy them a
different location. but it is very easy, just copy and paste.



2015-02-10 20:58 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
> they need to send an invitation for the folder.
> then you need to open an account. even though you have an account they
> need to send you an invitation.
> I don't remember how accessible the account page was. but ones it set
> up, it it a peace of cake to use it.
> it is like a regular folder on your desktop. you just simple hit enter
> and see the folder. tehn you can copy and paste.
> there are lots of info online. you can read more about it.so I won't write
> more.
> but as a summary, it is good and no problem about accessibility. if
> there is maybe a few problems during the registration or while
> inviting others.
> enjoy using it.
>
> 2015-02-10 19:18 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Ashley, the point of dropbox is that all your files are in the
>> cloud.  You can download them if you really want to, but if you
>> have an account and internet access you can just read and edit
>> all your files right on Dropbox.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>>
>> Aleeha,
>>
>> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the
>> drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to
>> share file with you.
>> I put xx instead of her name.
>> They gave me the folder link.
>> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
>> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
>> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
>> She won’t tell me and I looked several times for a button to
>> save or download files.
>> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
>>
>> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to
>> save files to the pc.
>> But here is my question and concern.
>> There is so many files!
>> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me
>> download and unzip it with all files there.
>> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every
>> single file. Is that right?
>> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
>> I really hope  I don’t have to download every single file one
>> by one.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> From: Aleeha Dudley
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>>
>> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone
>> sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and
>> the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way,
>> you can save files to your computer
>>
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of
>> Ohio
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not
>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s
>> ears.” - Arabian proverb
>>
>>   On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>   Hi all,
>>
>>   My school shares accessible files via drop box.
>>
>>   As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>>   Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>>   Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an
>> account?
>>   If I create an account, is there a captua?
>>
>>   If I create an account, how do I link up to the other
>> person’s account to get the files?
>>
>>   I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not
>> the only one who must be confused.
>>
>>   Thanks.
>>
>>   Ashley
>>   _______________________________________________
>>   nabs-l mailing list
>>   nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>   http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>   To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info for nabs-l:
>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1
>> 993%40gmail.com
>>
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>


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Feb 11 02:25:07 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:25:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9jTYdqLJvTjAvDHHkZJsHz0GM8y38FK+zSxbVJ4XJvBTw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAJqG9jTYdqLJvTjAvDHHkZJsHz0GM8y38FK+zSxbVJ4XJvBTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A9B28D10C3B44448E65F39CA32CCA4F@OwnerPC>

Hi Minh,

Well, I'd rather not share files in the cloud. I want to do via email with 
other students; its easier IMO and more secure.
But, for the text files, I'll create the account.
I'll use the pc application because I have a pc.
I assume I can use the pc version too on the windows 7 laptop.

>From what you all are describing, I will click on the folder after getting 
the account.
I can simply click a button for downloading rather than downloading each 
file, that's 37 of them.
I'll see what happens once I create the account. I kind of assumed that's 
what I needed to do.
I wish there was a way to tell how much memory the files took up. I want to 
copy to a USB drive and will need enough memory for the files on the drive.

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: minh ha via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 9:01 PM
To: Karl Martin Adam ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box

I think every student should have a dropbox account so you have
another way of backing up your files. I have a dropbox account and I
share a lot of files with my friends and classmates and that's how we
collaborate on a lot of things. The sign up process is extremely easy;
just create an account using your email address and download the desk
top app to your computer. Once someone shares a folder with you, you
can click accept and the files will automatically download to the
dropbox folder without you having to click download on every single
file. The cool thing about the desk top application too is it stays
running in the background so you don't have to launch it every single
time you use it; all your files are stored in a folder that is exactly
the same as any other folder that you have on your hard drive.

Minh

On 2/10/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ashley, the point of dropbox is that all your files are in the
> cloud.  You can download them if you really want to, but if you
> have an account and internet access you can just read and edit
> all your files right on Dropbox.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> Aleeha,
>
> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the
> drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to
> share file with you.
> I put xx instead of her name.
> They gave me the folder link.
> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
> She won't tell me and I looked several times for a button to
> save or download files.
> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
>
> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to
> save files to the pc.
> But here is my question and concern.
> There is so many files!
> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me
> download and unzip it with all files there.
> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every
> single file. Is that right?
> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
> I really hope  I don't have to download every single file one
> by one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone
> sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and
> the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way,
> you can save files to your computer
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of
> Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not
> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we
> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations
> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can
> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> "The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's
> ears." - Arabian proverb
>
>   On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   My school shares accessible files via drop box.
>
>   As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>   Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>   Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an
> account?
>   If I create an account, is there a captua?
>
>   If I create an account, how do I link up to the other
> person's account to get the files?
>
>   I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I'm not
> the only one who must be confused.
>
>   Thanks.
>
>   Ashley
>   _______________________________________________
>   nabs-l mailing list
>   nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>   To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
> info for nabs-l:
>
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> 993%40gmail.com
>
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>
>
>


-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence

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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Wed Feb 11 02:46:00 2015
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 21:46:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9jTYdqLJvTjAvDHHkZJsHz0GM8y38FK+zSxbVJ4XJvBTw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAAJqG9jTYdqLJvTjAvDHHkZJsHz0GM8y38FK+zSxbVJ4XJvBTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3483B21B-9759-4B60-9119-BEC6AADA7995@fuse.net>

I agree that dropbox is extremely beneficial. For the last couple of years, I have been using it with my teachers to send and receive assignments. It was also helpful to me on a personal level, because of the amount of files I had stored there when my computer crashed. This made it so that I did not lose so much, because it was already stored in the cloud.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 9:01 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think every student should have a dropbox account so you have
> another way of backing up your files. I have a dropbox account and I
> share a lot of files with my friends and classmates and that's how we
> collaborate on a lot of things. The sign up process is extremely easy;
> just create an account using your email address and download the desk
> top app to your computer. Once someone shares a folder with you, you
> can click accept and the files will automatically download to the
> dropbox folder without you having to click download on every single
> file. The cool thing about the desk top application too is it stays
> running in the background so you don't have to launch it every single
> time you use it; all your files are stored in a folder that is exactly
> the same as any other folder that you have on your hard drive.
> 
> Minh
> 
>> On 2/10/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Ashley, the point of dropbox is that all your files are in the
>> cloud.  You can download them if you really want to, but if you
>> have an account and internet access you can just read and edit
>> all your files right on Dropbox.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:50:58 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>> 
>> Aleeha,
>> 
>> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the
>> drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to
>> share file with you.
>> I put xx instead of her name.
>> They gave me the folder link.
>> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
>> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
>> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
>> She won't tell me and I looked several times for a button to
>> save or download files.


From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:02:21 2015
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:02:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
In-Reply-To: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I am
> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with outlook
> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>
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>
Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
have any questions about Mozilla.
Best, Kayla


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:02:49 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:02:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
In-Reply-To: <D3633C35B9B14E41A30E917E7209B22B@OwnerPC>
References: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC>
	<9C157CEF-29FF-4E4F-BF64-822168A1AE8A@gmail.com>
	<D3633C35B9B14E41A30E917E7209B22B@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <A38CB70D-1D4F-4FDD-919D-9AAC49DA124A@gmail.com>

Once you create an account and download the app to your computer, you should be able to add the folder to your dropbox, which means it will continuously update. That's only if this has been set up properly. You may need to do some talking with your disability services people on how they are sharing these files with you. The best way would be for you to set up an account, download the application, and then have them invite your email address to a shared folder. Once you accept that invitation by clicking on a link, you will have that folder added into the application on your computer. Then, your computer does all the work for you, updating the file list every time a new document is added. Hope that helps.  As to your first question, the interface has changed a little since I have looked at it on a computer, especially without an account. I not sure I am the best to answer that question.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Aleeha,
> 
> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the drop box folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to share file with you.
> I put xx instead of her name.
> They gave me the folder link.
> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
> She won’t tell me and I looked several times for a button to save or download files.
> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
> 
> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to save files to the pc.
> But here is my question and concern.
> There is so many files!
> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me download and unzip it with all files there.
> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every single file. Is that right?
> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
> I really hope  I don’t have to download every single file one by one.    
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> From: Aleeha Dudley 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
> 
> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone sends you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and the process is very easy. It is best to get an account, that way, you can save files to your computer
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas  
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>  On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  My school shares accessible files via drop box.
> 
>  As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>  Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>  Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an account?
>  If I create an account, is there a captua?
> 
>  If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person’s account to get the files?
> 
>  I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not the only one who must be confused.
> 
>  Thanks.
> 
>  Ashley
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:05:48 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:05:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you want to see in the Braille Monitor?
In-Reply-To: <54daa737.857ce00a.0c1c.ffff8709@mx.google.com>
References: <54daa737.857ce00a.0c1c.ffff8709@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZYeNDg3nKNL8uPB_iSOTyafUr17yQ2zw_9RDwrbFJfxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Roanna,

>From my understanding of the monitor the issues don't necessarily
follow topics.  Occasionally there are special issues on advocacy or
legislature, and there of course is the convention issue, but there
aren't any themes because people will submit original work and Gary
just fits it in where he thinks it will work the best.  That way there
is always material, and he's never in want of stories to fit the theme
when he's got some great ones that just wouldn't fit idling in his
inbox.

This is typically how I've seen other publications work, including the
Student Slate, Future Reflections, and publications and newsletters
from other organizations.  While your organizational efforts are
admirable, I just am not sure if that is the way the publications are
organized.  Of course, I can certainly be wrong, but just from reading
issues of the monitor and other publications on a regular basis that's
what I've observed.

On 2/10/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good Evening Students,
>
> I would like to know what you want to see in the Braille Monitor
> each month.  I am planning to write a letter to Gary Wunder
> suggesting some topics for future issues.  Look forward to
> reading your responses.
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:09:46 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:09:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: University Libraries
In-Reply-To: <738A12F9-552C-472A-BE22-83FFC640FCF1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CY1PR0701MB1194348919E8211BBD6EA75ECA240@CY1PR0701MB1194.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<738A12F9-552C-472A-BE22-83FFC640FCF1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYDht=zx0ibkDkrX+GwuZDqEHNxL5aEYBh7L_U1+u0oJw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you so much, Derek.  I have an appointment with the DS office to
hash out the specifics of the situation later this week, and will
perhaps bring this email in for reference to aid in figuring out how
to proceed.  I think my DS office is just as confused as we are on
what to do, so the advice from Megan will probably be appreciated by
all.

Thanks again for your initial advice, and for reaching out to Megan.

On 2/10/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The following is the email I received from the general counsel of the NFB in
> regard to on-hold library book and fees generally.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: "Sidhu,Mehgan" <msidhu at nfb.org>
>> Date: February 10, 2015 at 4:56:17 PM EST
>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>, "Yingling, Valerie"
>> <Vyingling at nfb.org>
>> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>>
>> Derek,
>>
>> I believe the publishers often require payment because the Chaffee
>> amendment only applies to "authorized entities."  There is some question
>> of what an authorized entity is - Bookshare, NLS, etc., are clearly
>> authorized entities.  In Judge Baer's district court decision in the Hathi
>> Trust case he found a university could be an "authorized entity" under
>> Chafee, which was huge.  But a publisher itself would not, I believe,
>> qualify as a Chafee entity.  I would think the publisher providing an
>> accessible copy of the book would constitute a fair use, but since they
>> are protecting the rightsholder and their business interest, I gather they
>> perceive doing so as problematic and favor Chafee entities as the place to
>> go for no-cost books, but I am speculating.
>>
>> The university, of course, has a separate obligation under the ADA and 504
>> to provide equal access to students with disabilities.  So, if a $300 book
>> is on reserve for non-disabled students in a class to access without cost,
>> it must provide the book in accessible copy without cost to a blind
>> student in that class, as you have noted.
>>
>> Interestingly, a different problem regarding the cost issue recently came
>> up on our radar when a student's university insisted she could not keep
>> the accessible copies of books she acquired through her DSS office, even
>> though she had paid for them.  We had not encountered this before and
>> perhaps will learn more about the cost imposition as our counsel addresses
>> the matter.
>>
>> Best,
>> Mehgan
>>
>> Mehgan Sidhu
>> General Counsel
>> National Federation of the Blind
>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
>> Baltimore, Maryland 21230
>> Telephone 410-659-9314 ext. 2314
>> Fax: 410-659-5129
>> E-mail: msidhu at nfb.org
>> Web site: www.nfb.org
>>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>
>> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all
>> blind Americans live the lives they want.
>>
>> CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for
>> the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential
>> information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of
>> this information is prohibited. If this was sent to you in error, please
>> notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original
>> message.
>>
>>
>> From: Derek Manners [mailto:dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 6:59 PM
>> To: Yingling, Valerie
>> Cc: Sidhu,Mehgan
>> Subject: Fwd: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>>
>> This was a tricky question on the NABS listserv. I've never understood the
>> legality of having to show proof of purchase to get a PDF for the book. I
>> assume that basically the publisher provides a copy because of the proof
>> of purchase but that the Chaffee amendment and fair use doctrine allow the
>> school to make a copy on their own, it's technically not a legal
>> requirement, just a requirement to get the publisher's PDF?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> Date: February 7, 2015 at 4:38:02 PM EST
>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>, National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] University Libraries
>>
>> Hi all (specifically Derek since he seems particularly knowledgeable
>> about this).
>>
>> I've never had any problems getting library materials scanned for me,
>> even when using inter-library loan.  The databases at my school are
>> not jaws-friendly at all, so the DS office has usually intervened.
>>
>> My question to add to Michaels is this:  I have a class where the
>> teacher inadvertently chose a textbook that is extremely expensive.
>> She has not taught the class in several years, and found this
>> psychology book with the updated DSMV invormation and loved it.
>> However, when she found out that it was almost $300 she said she would
>> have never assigned it had she known the price, and so she stuck a
>> copy of the book in the university library on reserve for students to
>> use so they wouldn't need to buy it (with the rule being that the book
>> could not leave the library).
>>
>> Now, being a diligent blind student, I submitted my alternative format
>> request for the book as soon as the teacher gave me the ISBN and other
>> information.  The disability office did all the scanning and editing,
>> but I still have not shown them proof of purchase because I have not
>> shelled out the $300 for the book.  Should I just show them the
>> library copy and explain what happened or do I really need to buy the
>> book even though the rest of my class doesn't have to?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On 2/7/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> After further reading, it hasn't been said completely right. So just to
>> reiterate, it is a violation of the ADA and section 504 of the rehab act
>> for
>> school libraries not to scan a copy for you. If they don't know about the
>> Chaffee amendment or fair use doctrine (for example the Hathitrust case
>> involving the University of Michigan Library), point them to it. Both are
>> Google-able.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This may have already been said but it is not a violation of copyright
>> law. The Chaffee amendment allows for reproducing accessible copies for
>> the blind for non-fiction works and the fair use doctrine has been ruled
>> to always apply to blind people (see the Hathittust Case for example)
>> which basically means everything not covered by the Chaffee amendment is
>> still able to reproduced accessibly for blind folks.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 2L Harvard Law and former legal intern at NFB
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All:
>>  Out of curiosity, what are your experiences dealing with the University
>> Libraries? According to some of our librarians, at the University of
>> Nevada, Reno, necessary accommodations ought to be made, in order to
>> allow equal access to all books contained in the libraries. Thus, they
>> believe they ought to be able to scan and process or receive already
>> accessible formats of any given book. On the other hand, some librarians
>> suggested that it is impossible, because it is a violation of copyright
>> laws (which is technically true).
>>  I am just curious, because in order to complete my thesis research, I
>> need access to a book, which is not on Bookshare and I would rather not
>> buy it, in the instance that the University already owns it.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> Pledge, Kappa Sigma
>> Cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno Philosophy Club
>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Students
>> Member, Honors College of the University of Nevada, Reno
>> Member, Speech and Debate at the University of Nevada, Reno
>>
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 03:14:26 2015
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:14:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] google apps.
References: <969F0D9F67D34E3F84E0FBF8788FAB2C@OwnerPC><9C157CEF-29FF-4E4F-BF64-822168A1AE8A@gmail.com><D3633C35B9B14E41A30E917E7209B22B@OwnerPC>
	<A38CB70D-1D4F-4FDD-919D-9AAC49DA124A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7E0D1D68B074D39B6A214B658645CA3@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi,



Do any of you have tips or advice on using Google drive, Google docks, or 
Google hangout? I have to use them for a class, and as far as I can tell, 
they are not very useable.



Thanks,

Mark



From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 04:14:18 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 22:14:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
Message-ID: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

French speakers, this question is for you.

As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, and
the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really really
want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than listen to
JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My question:
how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  These are
word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille signs
I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot throw
these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not translate
there either.

I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and don't
understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is proving
rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons we
need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)

Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!

-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 05:30:24 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 23:30:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4D+Mp697Zw-ckGZJa7OAjE_x=5e=f-8uX1P1KS0ZPHVcuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Justin,

I use the Outlook 365 webmail for school and work mail every day.  You
need to select the Lite version.  I don't remember how to do it, but
it's like switching to HTML in gmail.  You simply find the option that
allows you to use the Lite version.  This is fully accessible, but
there are certain things you cannot do with it.  If you have any
questions about 365 webmail, feel free to send me an email off list,
and I can try to help.

On 2/10/15, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I
>> am
>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with outlook
>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
> have any questions about Mozilla.
> Best, Kayla
>
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-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Feb 11 05:36:37 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 05:36:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A89D2C5E-42C7-4944-A136-AEE8B9CC9726@unr.edu>

This really isn't much help, but I know when I was studying Spanish, there were special symbols for any letter with an accent. Perhaps this is why it is coming out of peculiarly, because French might do the same thing (by that, I mean it probably has an independent braille code). Perhaps, if I might be so bold to suggest, have the people running it through the embosser strip the accented letters of the special accent, replacing it with a normal accent sign. This has helped in the past for me, although I just got used to having the special symbols after a while. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 8:14 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> French speakers, this question is for you.
> 
> As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
> languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
> handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, and
> the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really really
> want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than listen to
> JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My question:
> how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  These are
> word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
> through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
> working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille signs
> I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot throw
> these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not translate
> there either.
> 
> I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and don't
> understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
> unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
> language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is proving
> rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons we
> need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)
> 
> Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!
> 
> -- 
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Feb 11 06:35:58 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 00:35:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I became a member of the student division because?
In-Reply-To: <1D07404D-53CF-4A07-B2EF-8903A040F164@gmail.com>
References: <1D07404D-53CF-4A07-B2EF-8903A040F164@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP11474823DE546AA54B45C3ACE250@phx.gbl>

Hello, I joined a group to help others with the struggles I may have faced in either my early childhood or high school years or present after high school years.
> On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  Many of us consider ourselves in one way or another a member of our local or national student division or both.
> what got you involved in either? what keeps you around? 
>  If you happen to hold an elected office, what made you take on the responsibility  and workload? 
>  Thanks,
>   Darian 
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From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Wed Feb 11 07:09:59 2015
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:09:59 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6F4D9BD-02E5-43A5-A2AE-C4739B108413@ymail.com>

BS'D

Julie,

How do these 'strange Braille signs' look? (Which Braille cells?) I'm not familar with the system you're using.

Kind regards,
Lesholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Stockholm, Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 11 feb 2015 à 05:14, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> a écrit :

Hi all,

French speakers, this question is for you.

As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, and
the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really really
want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than listen to
JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My question:
how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  These are
word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille signs
I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot throw
these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not translate
there either.

I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and don't
understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is proving
rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons we
need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)

Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!

-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7

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From djackson at BISM.org  Wed Feb 11 08:28:45 2015
From: djackson at BISM.org (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 08:28:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA877ECA-CB50-4D60-AC83-36A4F33E465C@BISM.org>

Julie,

I'm not sure if it would work or not, but try setting your Apex to display Unified English Braille (UEB). I take it that currently what you get a lot is an accented letter preceded by dot 4 regardless of what type of accent it is. 
One of the benefits of UEB is that each type of accent e.g.  grave, acute, cedilla, have unique representations in braille. This would of course require learning these symbols and the other modifications to the code based on UEB, but this should not present much of an issue if you already know braille being that the base code is still the same. Finally, for reading French, you'll of course want to have grade one mode turned on.

Kindest regards,

Dezman Jackson, NOMC, NCLB

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> French speakers, this question is for you.
> 
> As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
> languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
> handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, and
> the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really really
> want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than listen to
> JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My question:
> how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  These are
> word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
> through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
> working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille signs
> I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot throw
> these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not translate
> there either.
> 
> I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and don't
> understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
> unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
> language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is proving
> rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons we
> need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)
> 
> Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!
> 
> -- 
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
> 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Wed Feb 11 12:18:34 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 07:18:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
In-Reply-To: <EA877ECA-CB50-4D60-AC83-36A4F33E465C@BISM.org>
References: <CAHox4D+v-hZ2ebgd7U0KqdGDrt2yjqpae=3sJwnH3QPgqBb=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA877ECA-CB50-4D60-AC83-36A4F33E465C@BISM.org>
Message-ID: <79592252-DF47-4266-951F-0056D2E494D6@me.com>

The end-all, are you taking Canadian or Parisian French? Not that it particularly matters, but I know that Duxbury will translate to French into braille, as when I was in both public and high school, I would use that program to Braille my French documents. Let me see if I can get a demo version of the software, and see what the setting is. Because, I'm not sure if it is changed since I last used it. Can you tell me what version you're using?

Matt Dierckens
Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2015, at 03:28, Dezman Jackson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Julie,
> 
> I'm not sure if it would work or not, but try setting your Apex to display Unified English Braille (UEB). I take it that currently what you get a lot is an accented letter preceded by dot 4 regardless of what type of accent it is. 
> One of the benefits of UEB is that each type of accent e.g.  grave, acute, cedilla, have unique representations in braille. This would of course require learning these symbols and the other modifications to the code based on UEB, but this should not present much of an issue if you already know braille being that the base code is still the same. Finally, for reading French, you'll of course want to have grade one mode turned on.
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Dezman Jackson, NOMC, NCLB
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> French speakers, this question is for you.
>> 
>> As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
>> languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
>> handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, and
>> the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really really
>> want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than listen to
>> JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My question:
>> how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  These are
>> word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
>> through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
>> working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille signs
>> I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot throw
>> these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not translate
>> there either.
>> 
>> I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and don't
>> understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
>> unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
>> language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is proving
>> rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons we
>> need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)
>> 
>> Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!
>> 
>> -- 
>> Julie McGinnity
>> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
>> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
>> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
>> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Cor. 7
>> 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 12:44:44 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 06:44:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
Message-ID: <54db4ed3.a2c0420a.1c33.2263@mx.google.com>

Julie, do you have the braillenote apex set to French? To do 
this, go to utilities, then language. Enable French, and try that 
out.

HTH,
Sophie

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Dezman Jackson <djackson at BISM.org>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 07:18:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French and Braille

The end-all, are you taking Canadian or Parisian French? Not that 
it particularly matters, but I know that Duxbury will translate 
to French into braille, as when I was in both public and high 
school, I would use that program to Braille my French documents. 
Let me see if I can get a demo version of the software, and see 
what the setting is. Because, I'm not sure if it is changed since 
I last used it. Can you tell me what version you're using?

Matt Dierckens
Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer

Sent from my iPhone

 On Feb 11, 2015, at 03:28, Dezman Jackson via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Julie,

 I'm not sure if it would work or not, but try setting your Apex 
to display Unified English Braille (UEB). I take it that 
currently what you get a lot is an accented letter preceded by 
dot 4 regardless of what type of accent it is.
 One of the benefits of UEB is that each type of accent e.g.  
grave, acute, cedilla, have unique representations in braille. 
This would of course require learning these symbols and the other 
modifications to the code based on UEB, but this should not 
present much of an issue if you already know braille being that 
the base code is still the same. Finally, for reading French, 
you'll of course want to have grade one mode turned on.

 Kindest regards,

 Dezman Jackson, NOMC, NCLB

 On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 French speakers, this question is for you.

 As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
 languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
 handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor, 
and
 the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really 
really
 want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than 
listen to
 JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My 
question:
 how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?  
These are
 word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
 through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
 working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille 
signs
 I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot 
throw
 these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not 
translate
 there either.

 I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and 
don't
 understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
 unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
 language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is 
proving
 rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons 
we
 need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)

 Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!

 --
 Julie McGinnity
 National Federation of the Blind performing arts division 
secretary,
 Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National 
Federation
 of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
 graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
 2 Cor. 7

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 16:24:20 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:24:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making bibliographies with endnote and/or websites
Message-ID: <99BBCD1F-85B4-458A-9CFA-0F5D04473194@gmail.com>

Hi,
Has anyone made bibliographies using endnote or one of the bibliography websites?


Amanda

From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 17:20:01 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 11:20:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] French and Braille
In-Reply-To: <54db4ed3.a2c0420a.1c33.2263@mx.google.com>
References: <54db4ed3.a2c0420a.1c33.2263@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJk0yOEfzGYw97Zv-mEhZfo3orh+oHVXHCxZWO8GtO+6A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I believe we have the latest version of Duxbury.  We us Parisian
French, and we set it to translate into the grade one French Braille.
I don't remember the name for this in Duxbury at the moment as I do
not have the software on this computer.

Sometimes the accents turn out.  The E acute is, for example, coming
out fine, but there are strange symbols for the other accents and
random symbols in the middle of words.  According to the sighted
person in the office who is helping me emboss these things, the French
is showing up on the screen correctly when he puts the document
through Duxbury.

Thank you so much Sophie for the help with the Braille Note.  I will
do that.  It's been such a long time since I must have done this for
German that I completely forgot.

On 2/11/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Julie, do you have the braillenote apex set to French? To do
> this, go to utilities, then language. Enable French, and try that
> out.
>
> HTH,
> Sophie
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Dezman Jackson <djackson at BISM.org>,National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 07:18:34 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] French and Braille
>
> The end-all, are you taking Canadian or Parisian French? Not that
> it particularly matters, but I know that Duxbury will translate
> to French into braille, as when I was in both public and high
> school, I would use that program to Braille my French documents.
> Let me see if I can get a demo version of the software, and see
> what the setting is. Because, I'm not sure if it is changed since
> I last used it. Can you tell me what version you're using?
>
> Matt Dierckens
> Assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh trainer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Feb 11, 2015, at 03:28, Dezman Jackson via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Julie,
>
>  I'm not sure if it would work or not, but try setting your Apex
> to display Unified English Braille (UEB). I take it that
> currently what you get a lot is an accented letter preceded by
> dot 4 regardless of what type of accent it is.
>  One of the benefits of UEB is that each type of accent e.g.
> grave, acute, cedilla, have unique representations in braille.
> This would of course require learning these symbols and the other
> modifications to the code based on UEB, but this should not
> present much of an issue if you already know braille being that
> the base code is still the same. Finally, for reading French,
> you'll of course want to have grade one mode turned on.
>
>  Kindest regards,
>
>  Dezman Jackson, NOMC, NCLB
>
>  On Feb 10, 2015, at 11:14 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  French speakers, this question is for you.
>
>  As part of my masters program, I am required to take a number of
>  languages.  This semester I am taking French.  I would like my
>  handouts in Braille.  My university has Duxbury and an embossor,
> and
>  the people  here want to do this Braille for me.  I also really
> really
>  want my tests in Braille so that I can read them rather than
> listen to
>  JAWS read in a language with which I am not familiar.  My
> question:
>  how do you translate a file into grade one French Braille?
> These are
>  word documents that my instructor writes up that we are feeding
>  through Duxbury.  The language switching we are attempting isn't
>  working.  When I receive the handouts, there are strange Braille
> signs
>  I have never seen before in the middle of words.  And I cannot
> throw
>  these handouts on the Braille Note Apex because they do not
> translate
>  there either.
>
>  I remember translating German handouts on the Braille Note and
> don't
>  understand why this is apparently (according to my Braille note)
>  unavailable in French.  The same goes for Duxbury.  I enjoy the
>  language and am succeeding at speaking it, but spelling it is
> proving
>  rather difficult without studying the Braille.  So many reasons
> we
>  need Braille in front of us rather than just audio!  :)
>
>  Any guidance with these issues would be much appreciated!
>
>  --
>  Julie McGinnity
>  National Federation of the Blind performing arts division
> secretary,
>  Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National
> Federation
>  of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
>  graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
>  "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>  2 Cor. 7
>
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-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From iperrault at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 11 17:28:55 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 12:28:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>

Hi,
I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m thinking about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be graduating from graduate school. What are the accommodations and the meals like? Can you do what you want on weekends? Is the program just the internship, and then you can do your own thing beyond that? What exactly happens during the 10 weeks?
Thanks
Ian

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 17:39:36 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 09:39:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F1A5D336-0D7A-449C-99C4-A4F7F5D2BC9F@gmail.com>

Hello,
 I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the program.
 I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get a hold of him for more details about the program and application  information. his e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.  
 I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on this list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
 Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had the opportunity to view the announcement.

  Thanks,
  Darian           
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m thinking about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be graduating from graduate school. What are the accommodations and the meals like? Can you do what you want on weekends? Is the program just the internship, and then you can do your own thing beyond that? What exactly happens during the 10 weeks?
> Thanks
> Ian
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From nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org  Wed Feb 11 19:21:22 2015
From: nfbmdtlc-chapter at nfbnet.org (Baines,
	Lorena via Nfbmdtlc-chapter)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:21:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Summer Internships for People with Disabilities at the
 National Gallery of Art Washington, D.C.
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Content-Language: en-US
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         boundary="_000_BY1PR09MB0421A7D5BA76DCE7DA6814F091240BY1PR09MB0421namp_"

The National Gallery of Art is pleased to announce Summer Internships 
for People with Disabilities. Nine-week summer internships provide 
opportunities to work on projects directed by a Gallery curator or 
department head. Biweekly museum seminars introduce interns to the 
broad spectrum of museum work, and to Gallery staff, departments, 
programs, and functions.
Eligibility
Any college student (degree- and non-degree-seeking), graduate 
student, law student, or recent graduate (degree must have been 
received no earlier than 2014) is invited to apply. You will not be 
required to disclose your specific disability; however, your 
application for this program will signify that you consider yourself 
a person with a disability. Applicants from all backgrounds are 
encouraged to apply.
Questions
If you have any questions about the application process or the 
program, please send inquiries to Mattie Schloetzer, program 
administrator for internships and fellowships 
(<mailto:intern at nga.gov>intern at nga.gov).
Terms
Summer interns are in residence at the Gallery from June 8 to August 
7, 2015. Interns receive a stipend of approximately $4,500 that is 
subject to all applicable taxes. In addition, interns receive a 
monthly public transportation subsidy.
Deadline
Complete application packets must be received by Monday, March 23, 2015.
To apply visit: 
<http://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/opportunities/interns-and-fellows/graduate/summer-internship-people-with-disabilities.html>http://www.nga.gov/content/ngaweb/opportunities/interns-and-fellows/graduate/summer-internship-people-with-disabilities.html
Sponsor
These internships are provided under a contract with the John F. 
Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts.


Lorena Baines
Manager of Accessible Programs
National Gallery of Art
Washington, D.C.
202-842-6905

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 20:44:46 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 15:44:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
Message-ID: <54dbbf79.8826e00a.6941.ffffb413@mx.google.com>

Hey Nabsters hope things are going well.  I wanted to give you an 
update on my independence.  This week I found my way to my 
classes all on my own.  Last week I had the opportunity to 
educate another student about how blind people read and write.  
These are small steps toward improving my independence.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 21:04:06 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:04:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on college campuses
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYSwg3CXKt1sHThqxbsPJQC4M5LRpmOSuAosTyV=VN0MA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABSters,

I'm hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this:

Last semester I got in touch with one of the professors I have now so
we could prepare for her class.  In passing she mentioned a few times
that she was getting some practice because she currently had a
visually impaired student in her section for non-music majors.  This
surprised me, as I had no idea there were other students on campus.  I
did meet another girl from my hometown in one of my eye specialist's
waiting rooms who started at UD that semester, but the class was a 300
level so it was unlikely that it was her (which it wasn't).

I asked my DS coordinator once if there were any other visually
impaired people on campus.  She told me only vague things like,
"You're the only JAWS user," and "We had a deafblind grad student a
few years ago," but no clue as to what any demographics were like.

Fast forward to this semester, the girl my professor had joined the
ensemble that accompanies the course, and I did the same to take
advantage of the extra credit opportunity.  We had this little "get to
know you party" at the professor's house, and that was when she and I
really started talking.  It was like, "Boom" for me, and possibly for
her as well.  All of a sudden there was someone who understood my
frustrations with the constant and always moving construction, the
issues I was having getting my proof of purchase from the bookstore,
and had the kind of attitude I have about blindness.  We're also both
interested in things like martial arts, music, and learning about
different cultures.  We're both juniors as well, although our majors
have largely accounted for us never bumping into each other until now.

I absolutely understand the need for confidentiality from a
professional perspective, but the other girl and I agreed that it
would have been so beneficial for us to have been able to swap ideas
and such for the past 3 years.  Our university is all about
"Community" and "Diversity," yet there are no disability-related
student organizations on campus.  There are clubs for everything from
College Democrats and Republicans, to ethnicity-related clubs, and we
even have a gay-straight alliance called Spectrum.  There is no club
which acknowledges students with disabilities or provides them a place
to meet and exchange ideas if they so desire though, so we'd like to
do something about it.

>From being vice president of a fledgling club before, I know some of
the specifics about how to get a club started.  You need faculty
sponsorship (which probably cannot come from the disability office),
you need a constitution or bylaws, and you need at least 5 people to
achieve club status.  The tricky thing I see if we end up going
through with this process will be to market the group to people who
self-identify as being a student with a disability.  Putting flyers in
the DS office would make the most sense, but I don't think we'd be
able to do that.  I also don't think they'd be able to email anything
we send to them to distribute, and they would never give the list
email to a single student.  We'd want to make sure it was accessible
to everyone but even OrgSync can be challenging to use for
screenreaders (including those who use them for reading and not
necessarily vision-related disabilities).

Have any of you started up a club like this successfully?  Is it
something that was worth the process?  Any ideas?

-- 
Kaiti


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 21:34:36 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 13:34:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on college
	campuses
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYSwg3CXKt1sHThqxbsPJQC4M5LRpmOSuAosTyV=VN0MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYSwg3CXKt1sHThqxbsPJQC4M5LRpmOSuAosTyV=VN0MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDAF692F-9014-4709-B890-258DCC6F2E49@gmail.com>

Hi kaiti,
  
 I have ran across much  the same difficulties when wanting to organize a disability related club on campus.  
 On our campus we had a     faculty member willing to act as an advisor, but the  biggest issue was getting the word out. at the time I had also been serving on our student council and much support had come from my fellow council members, and really anyone who  had heard of the effort. the only issue was getting  that announcement out  to students who signed up with the DSO.  I could not and still don’t understand  why  sending out a note via e-mail would have been so difficult.  The  Campus has a high tech  lab that students with disabilities would  use, and as I had a good relationship with the  lead instructor there, I would ask them to relay information.    more recently the campus had more of a  system-wide e-mail that  announcements would go  through. it would send out  an announcement a few times a semester, and if I  was still keeping at it, I would have gone about using it  to further the organizing effort.  Sadly, at the time I had a crazy amount of responsibilities on  campus, in the classroom, in the federation and in life so I kind of needed to cut back on some things.
 If the DSO is not being as supportive, is there any possible way to find out why?
 
 How about department heads? do you have a  relationship with any of them that they might get word out to their departments? 
 Also RAs could see that the info gets  disseminated to their dorms  and so-on.
  hth 
  Darian              
> On Feb 11, 2015, at 1:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABSters,
> 
> I'm hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this:
> 
> Last semester I got in touch with one of the professors I have now so
> we could prepare for her class.  In passing she mentioned a few times
> that she was getting some practice because she currently had a
> visually impaired student in her section for non-music majors.  This
> surprised me, as I had no idea there were other students on campus.  I
> did meet another girl from my hometown in one of my eye specialist's
> waiting rooms who started at UD that semester, but the class was a 300
> level so it was unlikely that it was her (which it wasn't).
> 
> I asked my DS coordinator once if there were any other visually
> impaired people on campus.  She told me only vague things like,
> "You're the only JAWS user," and "We had a deafblind grad student a
> few years ago," but no clue as to what any demographics were like.
> 
> Fast forward to this semester, the girl my professor had joined the
> ensemble that accompanies the course, and I did the same to take
> advantage of the extra credit opportunity.  We had this little "get to
> know you party" at the professor's house, and that was when she and I
> really started talking.  It was like, "Boom" for me, and possibly for
> her as well.  All of a sudden there was someone who understood my
> frustrations with the constant and always moving construction, the
> issues I was having getting my proof of purchase from the bookstore,
> and had the kind of attitude I have about blindness.  We're also both
> interested in things like martial arts, music, and learning about
> different cultures.  We're both juniors as well, although our majors
> have largely accounted for us never bumping into each other until now.
> 
> I absolutely understand the need for confidentiality from a
> professional perspective, but the other girl and I agreed that it
> would have been so beneficial for us to have been able to swap ideas
> and such for the past 3 years.  Our university is all about
> "Community" and "Diversity," yet there are no disability-related
> student organizations on campus.  There are clubs for everything from
> College Democrats and Republicans, to ethnicity-related clubs, and we
> even have a gay-straight alliance called Spectrum.  There is no club
> which acknowledges students with disabilities or provides them a place
> to meet and exchange ideas if they so desire though, so we'd like to
> do something about it.
> 
> From being vice president of a fledgling club before, I know some of
> the specifics about how to get a club started.  You need faculty
> sponsorship (which probably cannot come from the disability office),
> you need a constitution or bylaws, and you need at least 5 people to
> achieve club status.  The tricky thing I see if we end up going
> through with this process will be to market the group to people who
> self-identify as being a student with a disability.  Putting flyers in
> the DS office would make the most sense, but I don't think we'd be
> able to do that.  I also don't think they'd be able to email anything
> we send to them to distribute, and they would never give the list
> email to a single student.  We'd want to make sure it was accessible
> to everyone but even OrgSync can be challenging to use for
> screenreaders (including those who use them for reading and not
> necessarily vision-related disabilities).
> 
> Have any of you started up a club like this successfully?  Is it
> something that was worth the process?  Any ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 21:40:13 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:40:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on collegecampuses
Message-ID: <54dbcc78.4481e00a.6ea0.ffffbf09@mx.google.com>

Hi Dstian if you were still continuing these efforts I would ask 
your Sds office to send an email to all of the students who are 
registered with them.  The Student Disability Services office at 
UCF sends out emails to their students about test reminders and 
other events that are being held at their office.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 22:47:35 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:47:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on collegecampuses
In-Reply-To: <54dbcc78.4481e00a.6ea0.ffffbf09@mx.google.com>
References: <54dbcc78.4481e00a.6ea0.ffffbf09@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYHMxvcoUKZq3sfHF+uZPT6R10TFJ49kBx1HQNp6Vk1TQ@mail.gmail.com>

As I mentioned in my first email, they can't do that, otherwise I
would have taken the easy road and gone that route.  Sending out
personalized emails like test reminders is very different from
disceminating information about groups like this in the eyes of the DS
professionals.

I can understand that they likely have codes of ethics they have to
abide by, and although I'd certainly prefer they just send out an
email I do see why they would be cautious to do it if under
restrictions and a code of ethics and such.  I would probably be
cautious too to be honest, but I think this could potentially be
beneficial.

I get the sense that disability issues are pushed under the rug for
general campus communities.  In my entire time at school I've come
across one wheelchair user, this other girl, and a guy who either due
to dorphism or something else was extremely short.  I'm sure I've met
other people with ADHD and other learning disabilities, but as far as
visible ones go that's the whole of my experiences on campus.  Maybe
I'm just over-sensitive to it since for a long time I was the only one
on campus who I was aware of in terms of dealing with significant
accommodations and such (by that I mean someone with more than just
extended time on tests).  A lot of the challenges I've faced are also
probably being faced by not just other blind students, but those who
are in wheelchairs or use other mobility aids to get around, those who
have Dyslexia, etc.  I don't even know some of the issues facing
students who are hard of hearing or who have other disabilities, and I
doubt the general public does either.  What good is diversity if not
all groups are represented?

There is a symposium on Aging and Disability which is being held in
March.  Unfortunately I cannot attend as it falls in an hour where I
have class, but two of my professors from the music department will be
speaking on the panel.  Maybe one of them would be helpful in
brainstorming ways to get the word out.  I do also know a few people
who are RAs in the dorms, so I could ask them to spread the word
around to the other RAs or the RCs for me.

On 2/11/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Dstian if you were still continuing these efforts I would ask
> your Sds office to send an email to all of the students who are
> registered with them.  The Student Disability Services office at
> UCF sends out emails to their students about test reminders and
> other events that are being held at their office.
>
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 22:50:59 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:50:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I became a member of the student division because?
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP11474823DE546AA54B45C3ACE250@phx.gbl>
References: <1D07404D-53CF-4A07-B2EF-8903A040F164@gmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP11474823DE546AA54B45C3ACE250@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000701d0464d$346191a0$9d24b4e0$@gmail.com>

Some college friends brought me into NABS and hence the NFB. I joined the
division because it was nice to meet other blind students. As an alumni, I
stick around because I would have loved a mentor while making my way through
undergrad and graduate studies. Paying it forward. Helping out the
generation behind me. I don't know. I go up and down where the parent
organization is concerned, but I'll never lose my soft spot for the student
movement and hope every blue moon I can offer something of value. Yes, I
realize NABS is an extension of the NFB, and I remain confident the
organization will be stronger on account of your guys' efforts, and my own
remote ones.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 1:36 AM
To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I became a member of the student division because?

Hello, I joined a group to help others with the struggles I may have faced
in either my early childhood or high school years or present after high
school years.
> On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>  Many of us consider ourselves in one way or another a member of our local
or national student division or both.
> what got you involved in either? what keeps you around? 
>  If you happen to hold an elected office, what made you take on the
responsibility  and workload? 
>  Thanks,
>   Darian 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 23:21:54 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:21:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on collegecampuses
Message-ID: <54dbe43a.6881320a.7601.035e@mx.google.com>

I'm not sure why there would be anything unethical about the DS 
office providing information.  My DSS office regularly sends out 
things they think would interest their students like when a 
professor wants a person with a disability to come and speak to a 
class or when the college has a job for or etiquette banquet or 
something.  Of course if your Ds office doesn't do that sort of 
thing, that might be different, but I think that's idiosyncratic 
to your school.  It's also quite common for offices to have 
fliers in their waiting rooms that they think would be useful, so 
if they're not willing to send out an e-mail, maybe you could ask 
if they're willing to do that.  My old school did have a 
disability social club that was largely for people with autism or 
cognitive impairments to have a place to interact with people, 
but they never had more than like five or six members and I think 
it disappeared after a couple semesters.  If you have a good 
working relationship with the secretary at DS or maybe with 
whoever people make accommodations appointments with, you could 
maybe also have them promote your club once it exists.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:47:35 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on 
collegecampuses

As I mentioned in my first email, they can't do that, otherwise I
would have taken the easy road and gone that route.  Sending out
personalized emails like test reminders is very different from
disceminating information about groups like this in the eyes of 
the DS
professionals.

I can understand that they likely have codes of ethics they have 
to
abide by, and although I'd certainly prefer they just send out an
email I do see why they would be cautious to do it if under
restrictions and a code of ethics and such.  I would probably be
cautious too to be honest, but I think this could potentially be
beneficial.

I get the sense that disability issues are pushed under the rug 
for
general campus communities.  In my entire time at school I've 
come
across one wheelchair user, this other girl, and a guy who either 
due
to dorphism or something else was extremely short.  I'm sure I've 
met
other people with ADHD and other learning disabilities, but as 
far as
visible ones go that's the whole of my experiences on campus.  
Maybe
I'm just over-sensitive to it since for a long time I was the 
only one
on campus who I was aware of in terms of dealing with significant
accommodations and such (by that I mean someone with more than 
just
extended time on tests).  A lot of the challenges I've faced are 
also
probably being faced by not just other blind students, but those 
who
are in wheelchairs or use other mobility aids to get around, 
those who
have Dyslexia, etc.  I don't even know some of the issues facing
students who are hard of hearing or who have other disabilities, 
and I
doubt the general public does either.  What good is diversity if 
not
all groups are represented?

There is a symposium on Aging and Disability which is being held 
in
March.  Unfortunately I cannot attend as it falls in an hour 
where I
have class, but two of my professors from the music department 
will be
speaking on the panel.  Maybe one of them would be helpful in
brainstorming ways to get the word out.  I do also know a few 
people
who are RAs in the dorms, so I could ask them to spread the word
around to the other RAs or the RCs for me.

On 2/11/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Dstian if you were still continuing these efforts I would ask
 your Sds office to send an email to all of the students who are
 registered with them.  The Student Disability Services office at
 UCF sends out emails to their students about test reminders and
 other events that are being held at their office.

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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 23:57:21 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:57:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on college
	campuses
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYSwg3CXKt1sHThqxbsPJQC4M5LRpmOSuAosTyV=VN0MA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYSwg3CXKt1sHThqxbsPJQC4M5LRpmOSuAosTyV=VN0MA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32A5E920-D799-462D-A884-A161EE700F51@gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti, 
I am the president of a  disability organization at Villanova University. I have found that getting information out about our group to those who may benefit from it is quite difficult, for the ethical and confidentiality reasons you have described. The ways that we have coped with this issue are not fool-proof, but really helped our group in the early days of its formation. 
The DS office kindly agreed to send out emails to everyone who received services from them at that time. To retain confidentiality, the director used bcc to keep identities of those registered confidential. I suggest that you ask your DS office to send out such an email with these privacy measures, and within that email, you can ask the office  to specify that if students  would be interested in taking part in such a group, they should contact you. Again this isn't a perfect solution but it keeps identities secret as well as puts the message in the hands of every student with a disability on your campus. Hopefully from the feedback that you get, you are able to then compile a list of interested students from that and then follow whatever procedures that your university requires to start a student group. 
I am interested to see how this progresses for you and your university, and I wish you all the best of luck. 
Sincerely, 
Hindley Williams                  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2015, at 4:04 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABSters,
> 
> I'm hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this:
> 
> Last semester I got in touch with one of the professors I have now so
> we could prepare for her class.  In passing she mentioned a few times
> that she was getting some practice because she currently had a
> visually impaired student in her section for non-music majors.  This
> surprised me, as I had no idea there were other students on campus.  I
> did meet another girl from my hometown in one of my eye specialist's
> waiting rooms who started at UD that semester, but the class was a 300
> level so it was unlikely that it was her (which it wasn't).
> 
> I asked my DS coordinator once if there were any other visually
> impaired people on campus.  She told me only vague things like,
> "You're the only JAWS user," and "We had a deafblind grad student a
> few years ago," but no clue as to what any demographics were like.
> 
> Fast forward to this semester, the girl my professor had joined the
> ensemble that accompanies the course, and I did the same to take
> advantage of the extra credit opportunity.  We had this little "get to
> know you party" at the professor's house, and that was when she and I
> really started talking.  It was like, "Boom" for me, and possibly for
> her as well.  All of a sudden there was someone who understood my
> frustrations with the constant and always moving construction, the
> issues I was having getting my proof of purchase from the bookstore,
> and had the kind of attitude I have about blindness.  We're also both
> interested in things like martial arts, music, and learning about
> different cultures.  We're both juniors as well, although our majors
> have largely accounted for us never bumping into each other until now.
> 
> I absolutely understand the need for confidentiality from a
> professional perspective, but the other girl and I agreed that it
> would have been so beneficial for us to have been able to swap ideas
> and such for the past 3 years.  Our university is all about
> "Community" and "Diversity," yet there are no disability-related
> student organizations on campus.  There are clubs for everything from
> College Democrats and Republicans, to ethnicity-related clubs, and we
> even have a gay-straight alliance called Spectrum.  There is no club
> which acknowledges students with disabilities or provides them a place
> to meet and exchange ideas if they so desire though, so we'd like to
> do something about it.
> 
> From being vice president of a fledgling club before, I know some of
> the specifics about how to get a club started.  You need faculty
> sponsorship (which probably cannot come from the disability office),
> you need a constitution or bylaws, and you need at least 5 people to
> achieve club status.  The tricky thing I see if we end up going
> through with this process will be to market the group to people who
> self-identify as being a student with a disability.  Putting flyers in
> the DS office would make the most sense, but I don't think we'd be
> able to do that.  I also don't think they'd be able to email anything
> we send to them to distribute, and they would never give the list
> email to a single student.  We'd want to make sure it was accessible
> to everyone but even OrgSync can be challenging to use for
> screenreaders (including those who use them for reading and not
> necessarily vision-related disabilities).
> 
> Have any of you started up a club like this successfully?  Is it
> something that was worth the process?  Any ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 12 00:40:45 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 19:40:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
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Aleeha,
So it sounds like I need an account. I'll work on that.
Once I download the application to the pc, does it just stay there, running 
in the background and updating the files, assuming I'm connected to the 
internet?
I think that is what you're saying.
How much storage space do I have?

The coordinator sent me an email from drop box. it said she wanted to share 
files with me and inside the email, it has a link.
Is this link the shared folder?
I assume once I set up the account, I'll see my shared folder she created if 
it is set properly.

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Aleeha Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 10:02 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box

Once you create an account and download the app to your computer, you should 
be able to add the folder to your dropbox, which means it will continuously 
update. That's only if this has been set up properly. You may need to do 
some talking with your disability services people on how they are sharing 
these files with you. The best way would be for you to set up an account, 
download the application, and then have them invite your email address to a 
shared folder. Once you accept that invitation by clicking on a link, you 
will have that folder added into the application on your computer. Then, 
your computer does all the work for you, updating the file list every time a 
new document is added. Hope that helps.  As to your first question, the 
interface has changed a little since I have looked at it on a computer, 
especially without an account. I not sure I am the best to answer that 
question.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2015, at 6:50 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Aleeha,
>
> Good to know. Okay, what happened was they sent me a link to the drop box 
> folder with subject line of email was  xxx wants to share file with you.
> I put xx instead of her name.
> They gave me the folder link.
> I  clicked on the link. And, bang! I ran into issues.
> I saw only  a note saying there was 37 files.
> So, how can I download them from  folder link she sent me?
> She won’t tell me and I looked several times for a button to save or 
> download files.
> . All I saw was a form to sign in and links to create account.
>
> I think its best to create an account for the reason you said, to save 
> files to the pc.
> But here is my question and concern.
> There is so many files!
> IMO, it would be easier to simply zip a file up for me and me download and 
> unzip it with all files there.
> So, I suppose this means I have to sit down and download every single 
> file. Is that right?
> Is there a way to download all contents of the folder?
> I really hope  I don’t have to download every single file one by one.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> From: Aleeha Dudley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 4:33 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] drop box
>
> You can, however, download files from a folder link that someone sends 
> you. If you sign up for an account, there is no captcha and the process is 
> very easy. It is best to get an account, that way, you can save files to 
> your computer
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian 
> proverb
>
>  On Feb 10, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hi all,
>
>  My school shares accessible files via drop box.
>
>  As I mentioned last email, I have not used it.
>  Can you tell me   if its accessible.
>  Can I simply download files from a folder link or do I need an account?
>  If I create an account, is there a captua?
>
>  If I create an account, how do I link up to the other person’s account to 
> get the files?
>
>  I know people asked before about drop box on list, so I’m not the only 
> one who must be confused.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Ashley
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From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 12 01:01:24 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 17:01:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on college
	campuses
Message-ID: <E1YLiAH-0006yG-1F@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Kaiti,

I started an organization for students with disabilities when I 
was an undergrad at Johns Hopkins.  I anticipated running into 
the kinds of challenges you're concerned about, but actually, the 
school's Disability Services office was happy to send out any 
email I asked them to (BCCing all students to retain 
confidentiality until I was able to create a listserv for 
interested students) and in fact ended up offering the group a 
space to meet, money for food for our gatherings, etc.  I didn't 
start this process until my last year at Hopkins, and I am not 
sure whether the group continues to meet, but initially there was 
strong interest, with at least 10-15 students with various 
disabilities attending the first meetings.  I'm now a grad 
student at UC Berkeley, where there are several groups for 
students with disabilities, including one specifically for blind 
students that's organized by our Disability Services office 
itself.  In short, you might be pleasantly surprised by the 
support your DS office is willing to offer, so I'd approach the 
folks who work there and see what happens.

Good luck, and I hope this helps!

Lucy

----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 16:04:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Presence of disability organizations on college 
campuses

Hi NABSters,

I'm hoping to hear some of your thoughts on this:

Last semester I got in touch with one of the professors I have 
now so
we could prepare for her class.  In passing she mentioned a few 
times
that she was getting some practice because she currently had a
visually impaired student in her section for non-music majors.  
This
surprised me, as I had no idea there were other students on 
campus.  I
did meet another girl from my hometown in one of my eye 
specialist's
waiting rooms who started at UD that semester, but the class was 
a 300
level so it was unlikely that it was her (which it wasn't).

I asked my DS coordinator once if there were any other visually
impaired people on campus.  She told me only vague things like,
"You're the only JAWS user," and "We had a deafblind grad student 
a
few years ago," but no clue as to what any demographics were 
like.

Fast forward to this semester, the girl my professor had joined 
the
ensemble that accompanies the course, and I did the same to take
advantage of the extra credit opportunity.  We had this little 
"get to
know you party" at the professor's house, and that was when she 
and I
really started talking.  It was like, "Boom" for me, and possibly 
for
her as well.  All of a sudden there was someone who understood my
frustrations with the constant and always moving construction, 
the
issues I was having getting my proof of purchase from the 
bookstore,
and had the kind of attitude I have about blindness.  We're also 
both
interested in things like martial arts, music, and learning about
different cultures.  We're both juniors as well, although our 
majors
have largely accounted for us never bumping into each other until 
now.

I absolutely understand the need for confidentiality from a
professional perspective, but the other girl and I agreed that it
would have been so beneficial for us to have been able to swap 
ideas
and such for the past 3 years.  Our university is all about
"Community" and "Diversity," yet there are no disability-related
student organizations on campus.  There are clubs for everything 
from
College Democrats and Republicans, to ethnicity-related clubs, 
and we
even have a gay-straight alliance called Spectrum.  There is no 
club
which acknowledges students with disabilities or provides them a 
place
to meet and exchange ideas if they so desire though, so we'd like 
to
do something about it.

>From being vice president of a fledgling club before, I know some 
of
the specifics about how to get a club started.  You need faculty
sponsorship (which probably cannot come from the disability 
office),
you need a constitution or bylaws, and you need at least 5 people 
to
achieve club status.  The tricky thing I see if we end up going
through with this process will be to market the group to people 
who
self-identify as being a student with a disability.  Putting 
flyers in
the DS office would make the most sense, but I don't think we'd 
be
able to do that.  I also don't think they'd be able to email 
anything
we send to them to distribute, and they would never give the list
email to a single student.  We'd want to make sure it was 
accessible
to everyone but even OrgSync can be challenging to use for
screenreaders (including those who use them for reading and not
necessarily vision-related disabilities).

Have any of you started up a club like this successfully?  Is it
something that was worth the process?  Any ideas?

--
Kaiti

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 01:47:15 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 20:47:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] drop box
Message-ID: <54dc064c.443d320a.0382.0e36@mx.google.com>

Ashley,=20I=20don't=20actually=20use=20dropbox=20on=20the=20pc=20just=20my=
=20IPhone,=20so=20
I=20don't=20know=20if=20it=20stays=20open.=20=20As=20for=20how=20to=20acces=
s=20your=20folder,=20
you=20have=20to=20click=20on=20the=20link=20once=20you=20have=20an=20accoun=
t,=20and=20then=20
click=20through=20a=20couple=20pages=20to=20accept=20that=20you=20want=20to=
=20be=20added=20
to=20the=20folder.=20=20After=20that,=20it=20will=20appear=20as=20a=20subfo=
lder=20under=20
your=20dropbox=20folder.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2011=20Feb=202015=2019:40:45=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

Aleeha,
So=20it=20sounds=20like=20I=20need=20an=20account.=20I'll=20work=20on=20tha=
t.
Once=20I=20download=20the=20application=20to=20the=20pc,=20does=20it=20just=
=20stay=20
there,=20running
in=20the=20background=20and=20updating=20the=20files,=20assuming=20I'm=20co=
nnected=20
to=20the
internet?
I=20think=20that=20is=20what=20you're=20saying.
How=20much=20storage=20space=20do=20I=20have?

The=20coordinator=20sent=20me=20an=20email=20from=20drop=20box.=20it=20said=
=20she=20
wanted=20to=20share
files=20with=20me=20and=20inside=20the=20email,=20it=20has=20a=20link.
Is=20this=20link=20the=20shared=20folder?
I=20assume=20once=20I=20set=20up=20the=20account,=20I'll=20see=20my=20share=
d=20folder=20she=20
created=20if
it=20is=20set=20properly.

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2010,=202015=2010:02=20PM
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

Once=20you=20create=20an=20account=20and=20download=20the=20app=20to=20your=
=20computer,=20
you=20should
be=20able=20to=20add=20the=20folder=20to=20your=20dropbox,=20which=20means=
=20it=20will=20
continuously
update.=20That's=20only=20if=20this=20has=20been=20set=20up=20properly.=20Y=
ou=20may=20
need=20to=20do
some=20talking=20with=20your=20disability=20services=20people=20on=20how=20=
they=20are=20
sharing
these=20files=20with=20you.=20The=20best=20way=20would=20be=20for=20you=20t=
o=20set=20up=20an=20
account,
download=20the=20application,=20and=20then=20have=20them=20invite=20your=20=
email=20
address=20to=20a
shared=20folder.=20Once=20you=20accept=20that=20invitation=20by=20clicking=
=20on=20a=20
link,=20you
will=20have=20that=20folder=20added=20into=20the=20application=20on=20your=
=20
computer.=20Then,
your=20computer=20does=20all=20the=20work=20for=20you,=20updating=20the=20f=
ile=20list=20
every=20time=20a
new=20document=20is=20added.=20Hope=20that=20helps.=20=20As=20to=20your=20f=
irst=20
question,=20the
interface=20has=20changed=20a=20little=20since=20I=20have=20looked=20at=20i=
t=20on=20a=20
computer,
especially=20without=20an=20account.=20I=20not=20sure=20I=20am=20the=20best=
=20to=20answer=20
that
question.

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Feb=2010,=202015,=20at=206:50=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nab=
s-l
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Aleeha,

=20Good=20to=20know.=20Okay,=20what=20happened=20was=20they=20sent=20me=20a=
=20link=20to=20the=20
drop=20box
=20folder=20with=20subject=20line=20of=20email=20was=20=20xxx=20wants=20to=
=20share=20file=20
with=20you.
=20I=20put=20xx=20instead=20of=20her=20name.
=20They=20gave=20me=20the=20folder=20link.
=20I=20=20clicked=20on=20the=20link.=20And,=20bang!=20I=20ran=20into=20issu=
es.
=20I=20saw=20only=20=20a=20note=20saying=20there=20was=2037=20files.
=20So,=20how=20can=20I=20download=20them=20from=20=20folder=20link=20she=20=
sent=20me?
=20She=20won=E2=80=99t=20tell=20me=20and=20I=20looked=20several=20times=20f=
or=20a=20button=20to=20
save=20or
=20download=20files.
=20.=20All=20I=20saw=20was=20a=20form=20to=20sign=20in=20and=20links=20to=20=
create=20account.

=20I=20think=20its=20best=20to=20create=20an=20account=20for=20the=20reason=
=20you=20said,=20
to=20save
=20files=20to=20the=20pc.
=20But=20here=20is=20my=20question=20and=20concern.
=20There=20is=20so=20many=20files!
=20IMO,=20it=20would=20be=20easier=20to=20simply=20zip=20a=20file=20up=20fo=
r=20me=20and=20me=20
download=20and
=20unzip=20it=20with=20all=20files=20there.
=20So,=20I=20suppose=20this=20means=20I=20have=20to=20sit=20down=20and=20do=
wnload=20every=20
single
=20file.=20Is=20that=20right?
=20Is=20there=20a=20way=20to=20download=20all=20contents=20of=20the=20folde=
r?
=20I=20really=20hope=20=20I=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20to=20download=20every=
=20single=20file=20one=20
by=20one.

=20Thanks.

=20Ashley

=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2010,=202015=204:33=20PM
=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Stud=
ents=20
mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20drop=20box

=20You=20can,=20however,=20download=20files=20from=20a=20folder=20link=20th=
at=20someone=20
sends
=20you.=20If=20you=20sign=20up=20for=20an=20account,=20there=20is=20no=20ca=
ptcha=20and=20the=20
process=20is
=20very=20easy.=20It=20is=20best=20to=20get=20an=20account,=20that=20way,=20=
you=20can=20save=20
files=20to
=20your=20computer

=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20=
Blind=20of=20
Ohio
=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindnes=
s=20is=20not=20
the
=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20da=
y=20we=20
raise=20the
=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expectations=20cre=
ate=20
obstacles
=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20can=20live=20the=
=20life=20you=20
want;
=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=20back.
=20=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=
=20a=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian
=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=2010,=202015,=20at=204:20=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20=
nabs-l
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20My=20school=20shares=20accessible=20files=20via=20drop=20box.

=20=20As=20I=20mentioned=20last=20email,=20I=20have=20not=20used=20it.
=20=20Can=20you=20tell=20me=20=20=20if=20its=20accessible.
=20=20Can=20I=20simply=20download=20files=20from=20a=20folder=20link=20or=20=
do=20I=20need=20an=20
account?
=20=20If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20is=20there=20a=20captua?

=20=20If=20I=20create=20an=20account,=20how=20do=20I=20link=20up=20to=20the=
=20other=20
person=E2=80=99s=20account=20to
=20get=20the=20files?

=20=20I=20know=20people=20asked=20before=20about=20drop=20box=20on=20list,=
=20so=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20
the=20only
=20one=20who=20must=20be=20confused.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley
=20=20_______________________________________________
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=20=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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=20account=20
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=20nabs-l:

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993%40gmail.com

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 02:58:11 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 18:58:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
In-Reply-To: <F1A5D336-0D7A-449C-99C4-A4F7F5D2BC9F@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>
	<F1A5D336-0D7A-449C-99C4-A4F7F5D2BC9F@gmail.com>
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Hi Ian,
I was an NFB intern back in 2006, so some things may have changed, but
I suspect most of the structure will be the same. During that summer I
was one of six interns. We all stayed at the National Center for the
Blind. Each of us had our own bedroom and bathroom. We shared common
kitchen facilities and were responsible for buying and preparing our
own meals. There is laundry on-site. Generally we were free on
evenings and weekends, but depending on the department you are working
for, you may be assigned occasional evening and weekend work. I was
assigned to work the first weekend of my internship because there was
a leadership seminar I was asked to help administer, but that was my
only weekend assignment. I agree that asking Anil these questions will
get you the most updated details. Good luck, I really enjoyed my
internship experience.
Best, Arielle

On 2/11/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>  I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the
> program.
>  I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive
> Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get a hold
> of him for more details about the program and application  information. his
> e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
>  I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on this
> list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
>  Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had the
> opportunity to view the announcement.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Darian
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m thinking
>> about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be graduating from
>> graduate school. What are the accommodations and the meals like? Can you
>> do what you want on weekends? Is the program just the internship, and then
>> you can do your own thing beyond that? What exactly happens during the 10
>> weeks?
>> Thanks
>> Ian
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 05:11:20 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 21:11:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help
Message-ID: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I hope that you are having a great week  :-)
I am finishing up my senior year of high school and really would 
like to attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind's adult program 
next year before going away to college.
I am currently going through the process of getting hooked into 
Rehab and SSI.
I would really appreciate hearing from any of you who have gone 
to an out-of-state NFB training center and how you were able to 
convince your local Department of Rehab to pay for the program.  
If you still have the wording that you used to justify attending 
the program, I would really appreciate if you could share what 
worked for you with me.
Thank you so very much in advance.
Very Sincerely,
Vejas


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 06:51:19 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:51:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help
In-Reply-To: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>
References: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <29A4648F-3342-4D40-A131-7ADD7DC19AD3@gmail.com>

Good evening all, just be sure to explain why you want to attend Louisiana's adult program over your states vocational rehabilitation program. Be sure in your essay to include something such as how the   Philosophy of a training center run by the national Federation of the blind is different than the philosophy of that run by vocational rehabilitation Institution.four instance, you might include that in the NFB training centers are run and managed by competent blind adults, and the best way for you to learn college skills is through training from blind  mentors. Thanks! 

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Feb 11, 2015, at 22:11, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I hope that you are having a great week  :-)
> I am finishing up my senior year of high school and really would like to attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind's adult program next year before going away to college.
> I am currently going through the process of getting hooked into Rehab and SSI.
> I would really appreciate hearing from any of you who have gone to an out-of-state NFB training center and how you were able to convince your local Department of Rehab to pay for the program.  If you still have the wording that you used to justify attending the program, I would really appreciate if you could share what worked for you with me.
> Thank you so very much in advance.
> Very Sincerely,
> Vejas
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Thu Feb 12 07:31:58 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 02:31:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJA_ak=CB5c-jy4kWrqeAYwrDuozMWM487A3Y6zm58QwkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>
	<F1A5D336-0D7A-449C-99C4-A4F7F5D2BC9F@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJA_ak=CB5c-jy4kWrqeAYwrDuozMWM487A3Y6zm58QwkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C920F790-07AC-434B-B791-4BFD12E5C605@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I wasn't a summer intern but did intern 3 weeks this January. Basically everything stated is true so far. I'd mention that during events, they serve food to everyone, including interns. The center is located in a great spot within walking distance of a grocery store, dry cleaner, and several good restaurants. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:58 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ian,
> I was an NFB intern back in 2006, so some things may have changed, but
> I suspect most of the structure will be the same. During that summer I
> was one of six interns. We all stayed at the National Center for the
> Blind. Each of us had our own bedroom and bathroom. We shared common
> kitchen facilities and were responsible for buying and preparing our
> own meals. There is laundry on-site. Generally we were free on
> evenings and weekends, but depending on the department you are working
> for, you may be assigned occasional evening and weekend work. I was
> assigned to work the first weekend of my internship because there was
> a leadership seminar I was asked to help administer, but that was my
> only weekend assignment. I agree that asking Anil these questions will
> get you the most updated details. Good luck, I really enjoyed my
> internship experience.
> Best, Arielle
> 
>> On 2/11/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the
>> program.
>> I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive
>> Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get a hold
>> of him for more details about the program and application  information. his
>> e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
>> I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on this
>> list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
>> Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had the
>> opportunity to view the announcement.
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>>  Darian
>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m thinking
>>> about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be graduating from
>>> graduate school. What are the accommodations and the meals like? Can you
>>> do what you want on weekends? Is the program just the internship, and then
>>> you can do your own thing beyond that? What exactly happens during the 10
>>> weeks?
>>> Thanks
>>> Ian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 14:38:06 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 09:38:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help
Message-ID: <54dcbacf.0182e00a.11cc.703a@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for this message.  During my senior year of high 
school I also began applying for Vocational Rehab and Social 
Security income.  I asked my Dbs counselor to get me a 
BrailleNote Apex from Humanware.  The justification I used was 
that I would need it to complete my college coursework.


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 06:13:18 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 01:13:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help
In-Reply-To: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>
References: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F3C913D5-2827-499D-AF3F-3F9A2F04B528@aol.com>

Hi Vejas,
Didn't you say you were from New York? 
I am from New York. I know here we do not have a rehab center that is residential. That is a pretty good start. LCB is a good choice I know so many people who have gone or who plan to go. 
The duration of the program helps too. It's like three months long at least. 
I'm sure you know what skills you need which is what you need to stress. 
The argument is what is a residential program going to give you that a week by week O&M or rehab person can not? Why can't some lighthouse person come help you? 
What kind of experience and opportunities are you going to get at LCB? 
I think one really nice one is mentored who are blind who are able to guide you through your journey to independence. Who can argue with that.
I hope this helps with starting your process. I know it is not easy.
I really hope you get to go.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 27 Heisei, at 12:11 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I hope that you are having a great week  :-)
> I am finishing up my senior year of high school and really would like to attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind's adult program next year before going away to college.
> I am currently going through the process of getting hooked into Rehab and SSI.
> I would really appreciate hearing from any of you who have gone to an out-of-state NFB training center and how you were able to convince your local Department of Rehab to pay for the program.  If you still have the wording that you used to justify attending the program, I would really appreciate if you could share what worked for you with me.
> Thank you so very much in advance.
> Very Sincerely,
> Vejas
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 15:24:01 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:24:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bibliography feature in Microsoft word
Message-ID: <BC2C5F50-7D60-4B15-AC62-59BFEA31404A@gmail.com>

Has anyone used this bibliography feature in word.

Amanda


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 16:04:17 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 11:04:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help
In-Reply-To: <F3C913D5-2827-499D-AF3F-3F9A2F04B528@aol.com>
References: <54dc3619.4f6c320a.2bc8.1b5c@mx.google.com>
	<F3C913D5-2827-499D-AF3F-3F9A2F04B528@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000501d046dd$8e74f250$ab5ed6f0$@gmail.com>

Imersion; y ou are going to get the immersion you need to truly master the
techniques. Also, you are interested in being mentored.  You will be able to
come back and represent the state and the organization when you go to
college and to work with a high level of skill and professionalism. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 1:13 AM
To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB training centers and rehab-please help

Hi Vejas,
Didn't you say you were from New York? 
I am from New York. I know here we do not have a rehab center that is
residential. That is a pretty good start. LCB is a good choice I know so
many people who have gone or who plan to go. 
The duration of the program helps too. It's like three months long at least.

I'm sure you know what skills you need which is what you need to stress. 
The argument is what is a residential program going to give you that a week
by week O&M or rehab person can not? Why can't some lighthouse person come
help you? 
What kind of experience and opportunities are you going to get at LCB? 
I think one really nice one is mentored who are blind who are able to guide
you through your journey to independence. Who can argue with that.
I hope this helps with starting your process. I know it is not easy.
I really hope you get to go.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 12, 27 Heisei, at 12:11 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I hope that you are having a great week  :-) I am finishing up my 
> senior year of high school and really would like to attend the Louisiana
Center for the Blind's adult program next year before going away to college.
> I am currently going through the process of getting hooked into Rehab and
SSI.
> I would really appreciate hearing from any of you who have gone to an
out-of-state NFB training center and how you were able to convince your
local Department of Rehab to pay for the program.  If you still have the
wording that you used to justify attending the program, I would really
appreciate if you could share what worked for you with me.
> Thank you so very much in advance.
> Very Sincerely,
> Vejas
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jandart2 at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 19:17:39 2015
From: jandart2 at aol.com (Janice DeHart)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 13:17:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bar code readers
Message-ID: <EED3CC0D-2357-4469-97A6-1695CEC932B9@aol.com>


Any Recommendations for bar code readers for grocery shopping ?

Thanks

Jan Dehart

Sent from my iPad


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 20:16:55 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:16:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Bar code readers
In-Reply-To: <EED3CC0D-2357-4469-97A6-1695CEC932B9@aol.com>
References: <EED3CC0D-2357-4469-97A6-1695CEC932B9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdwn8aMC=ecBWP70s+zPXKE6YaWBibyAO_57QoYL=pNpeg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Janice,

I highly recommend the bar code scanner sold by A T Guys. This scanner
comes with the limitation of requiring the internet and connectivity
to a computer. I would be wasting time if I scanned a million things
at the grocery store instead of pursuing human assistance, so it has
worked very well for me for identifying food at home. Not only will
the scanner identify food, but it links to Directions For Me which is
a database containing a ton of foods, favoring large scale brands, and
includes directions, ingredients, and nutrition information. Out of
all of the A T tools I have received or purchased, I use the bar code
scanner absolutely the most out of any tool that I do not rely on to
keep my job. It is a worthwhile investment for anyone to make.

The A T Guys scanner is only $150. There is another one which does not
require the internet and is hand-held. This device is considerably
more expensive $1300 or so.

There are a few iPhone apps, such as Digit-eyes that people have
achieved some level of success with. Since these apps rely on a camera
rather than a laser, you must have the bar code exactly in the camera
view for it to be captured. This has been very difficult as a totally
blind person and has not given me enough benefit to prefer it even
though it is cheaper. Further, several iPhone bar code apps not only
use the camera to read the bar code, but do not snap a picture
automatically when the bar code is in view. the extra task of taking a
quality picture as a totally blind person again has not provided me
enough benefit to continue trying.

Just my thoughts on the solutions I have tried.

Cindy

On 2/12/15, Janice DeHart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Any Recommendations for bar code readers for grocery shopping ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jan Dehart
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 20:54:54 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 15:54:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bar code readers
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdwn8aMC=ecBWP70s+zPXKE6YaWBibyAO_57QoYL=pNpeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EED3CC0D-2357-4469-97A6-1695CEC932B9@aol.com>
	<CACUFQdwn8aMC=ecBWP70s+zPXKE6YaWBibyAO_57QoYL=pNpeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301d04706$27975770$76c60650$@gmail.com>

Is the A T scanner able to connect wireless?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Janice DeHart; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bar code readers

Hi Janice,

I highly recommend the bar code scanner sold by A T Guys. This scanner comes
with the limitation of requiring the internet and connectivity to a
computer. I would be wasting time if I scanned a million things at the
grocery store instead of pursuing human assistance, so it has worked very
well for me for identifying food at home. Not only will the scanner identify
food, but it links to Directions For Me which is a database containing a ton
of foods, favoring large scale brands, and includes directions, ingredients,
and nutrition information. Out of all of the A T tools I have received or
purchased, I use the bar code scanner absolutely the most out of any tool
that I do not rely on to keep my job. It is a worthwhile investment for
anyone to make.

The A T Guys scanner is only $150. There is another one which does not
require the internet and is hand-held. This device is considerably more
expensive $1300 or so.

There are a few iPhone apps, such as Digit-eyes that people have achieved
some level of success with. Since these apps rely on a camera rather than a
laser, you must have the bar code exactly in the camera view for it to be
captured. This has been very difficult as a totally blind person and has not
given me enough benefit to prefer it even though it is cheaper. Further,
several iPhone bar code apps not only use the camera to read the bar code,
but do not snap a picture automatically when the bar code is in view. the
extra task of taking a quality picture as a totally blind person again has
not provided me enough benefit to continue trying.

Just my thoughts on the solutions I have tried.

Cindy

On 2/12/15, Janice DeHart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Any Recommendations for bar code readers for grocery shopping ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jan Dehart
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
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> m
>


--
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an Affiliate
of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com

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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 22:54:25 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:54:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word
Message-ID: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a huge task ahead of me of finding and replacing information in
Microsoft word 2010 documents. Ideally, I would like to find and
replace all. I have done this before, years ago, but hadn't for a
while so looked up how to do it. I found the directions on a generic
Microsoft help website and completed the instructions. Unfortunately,
when I use JAWS (I haven't tried other screen readers yet but would
prefer to use JAWS in Word), all the dialogue box says is "find and
replace." If you press tab, the same message is provided. I found a
JAWS tutorial and learned the keystrokes control H to initiate the
dialogue box, and know to first type the word to find, and to then tab
to type the word to replace it with. I can press alt f to initiate the
find and alt r to replace. But there is no keystroke that I can find
to replace all. I imagine there is a button but haven't found it given
the limited feedback i get from JAWS. I looked through the menus in
search of the keystroke, but couldn't find a find and replace option
in the menu, thus no hint keystroke.

If anyone knows another way to do this or the keystroke I can employ
to initiate a replace all, it would be very helpful!

Thanks!

-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 00:38:32 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 16:38:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAJYqa557JqHds6=TgRnG3cHQFgK_iWbjcd3pTZxzM8qg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cindy, When I fill in my find text and my replace text and then
simply press enter, it finds and replaces all by default.
Best, Arielle

On 2/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a huge task ahead of me of finding and replacing information in
> Microsoft word 2010 documents. Ideally, I would like to find and
> replace all. I have done this before, years ago, but hadn't for a
> while so looked up how to do it. I found the directions on a generic
> Microsoft help website and completed the instructions. Unfortunately,
> when I use JAWS (I haven't tried other screen readers yet but would
> prefer to use JAWS in Word), all the dialogue box says is "find and
> replace." If you press tab, the same message is provided. I found a
> JAWS tutorial and learned the keystrokes control H to initiate the
> dialogue box, and know to first type the word to find, and to then tab
> to type the word to replace it with. I can press alt f to initiate the
> find and alt r to replace. But there is no keystroke that I can find
> to replace all. I imagine there is a button but haven't found it given
> the limited feedback i get from JAWS. I looked through the menus in
> search of the keystroke, but couldn't find a find and replace option
> in the menu, thus no hint keystroke.
>
> If anyone knows another way to do this or the keystroke I can employ
> to initiate a replace all, it would be very helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 02:17:41 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:17:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAJYqa557JqHds6=TgRnG3cHQFgK_iWbjcd3pTZxzM8qg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJAJYqa557JqHds6=TgRnG3cHQFgK_iWbjcd3pTZxzM8qg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005c01d04733$3f7b8c30$be72a490$@gmail.com>

select what you want, Copy the word with control c, go to the beginning of
the document, then press control h and paste it into the field with control
v.  Then,  tab to replace, type in what you want to replace it with, then
either tab to or hit alt a for replace all.  then, hit inter for okay, and
then escape to get out of the dialogue box.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:39 PM
To: Cindy Bennett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word

Hi Cindy, When I fill in my find text and my replace text and then simply
press enter, it finds and replaces all by default.
Best, Arielle

On 2/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a huge task ahead of me of finding and replacing information in 
> Microsoft word 2010 documents. Ideally, I would like to find and 
> replace all. I have done this before, years ago, but hadn't for a 
> while so looked up how to do it. I found the directions on a generic 
> Microsoft help website and completed the instructions. Unfortunately, 
> when I use JAWS (I haven't tried other screen readers yet but would 
> prefer to use JAWS in Word), all the dialogue box says is "find and 
> replace." If you press tab, the same message is provided. I found a 
> JAWS tutorial and learned the keystrokes control H to initiate the 
> dialogue box, and know to first type the word to find, and to then tab 
> to type the word to replace it with. I can press alt f to initiate the 
> find and alt r to replace. But there is no keystroke that I can find 
> to replace all. I imagine there is a button but haven't found it given 
> the limited feedback i get from JAWS. I looked through the menus in 
> search of the keystroke, but couldn't find a find and replace option 
> in the menu, thus no hint keystroke.
>
> If anyone knows another way to do this or the keystroke I can employ 
> to initiate a replace all, it would be very helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design 
> and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington an 
> Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 02:40:52 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 21:40:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gxzJ8adyQ_i=b9Z7CeziJ9VVN+jZYt9L2CtY9GNY19Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Cindy,

In word 2010, all you have to do is type in the word you have to find
and then the word you want to replace it with, then tab until you find
the button that says "replace all." It's not really hidden anywhere,
you just have to tab and it's right there.

Minh

On 2/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a huge task ahead of me of finding and replacing information in
> Microsoft word 2010 documents. Ideally, I would like to find and
> replace all. I have done this before, years ago, but hadn't for a
> while so looked up how to do it. I found the directions on a generic
> Microsoft help website and completed the instructions. Unfortunately,
> when I use JAWS (I haven't tried other screen readers yet but would
> prefer to use JAWS in Word), all the dialogue box says is "find and
> replace." If you press tab, the same message is provided. I found a
> JAWS tutorial and learned the keystrokes control H to initiate the
> dialogue box, and know to first type the word to find, and to then tab
> to type the word to replace it with. I can press alt f to initiate the
> find and alt r to replace. But there is no keystroke that I can find
> to replace all. I imagine there is a button but haven't found it given
> the limited feedback i get from JAWS. I looked through the menus in
> search of the keystroke, but couldn't find a find and replace option
> in the menu, thus no hint keystroke.
>
> If anyone knows another way to do this or the keystroke I can employ
> to initiate a replace all, it would be very helpful!
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Feb 13 03:13:28 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:13:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lyft
Message-ID: <54DD6BD8.9090101@tysdomain.com>

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Hey all,

I've used Lyft quite a lot recently. While I've had my downs with
them, in general I prefer them over a normal cab because they have to
work off of ratings and generally treat you a lot better. I've ridden
with them enough that they sent me a code, which gives you free rides
and me credit. The code is TYLER655367 if anyone is interested at all.

For those who don't know, Lyft is a sort of taxi service, but you
order the cab through your phone (IOS or Android). The bonus to this
is that the driver can't just leave you sitting there because you can
call them when you want to and they also work on ratings, so if
they're really bad, you can rate them and leave feedback which will be
shared with them.

I've been denied a couple times because of a guide dog; according to
Lyft this is against policy and can and usually does result in the
driver not being able to drive for Lyft anymore. The support is really
amazing.

I posted this here because as a student and even someone who is blind
and getting around in the city sometimes, it is an amazing service.
I've used it to go to and from the grocery store a few times as well
as other places which would've taken me much longer to figure out.

I hope that this can help someone. Feel free to let me know if you
have questions.
- -- 
Take care,
Ty
twitter: @sorressean
web:http://tysdomain.com
pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 12:46:17 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 07:46:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Lyft
In-Reply-To: <54DD6BD8.9090101@tysdomain.com>
References: <54DD6BD8.9090101@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <806BB8BF-384D-414A-BAC4-099BC424EDB1@gmail.com>

Thanks for the info, Tyler. Yes—Lyft and similar services are awesome! I've had more experience with Uber than with Lyft, but the experiences I have had in both Orlando (during our national convention) and Baltimore have been very positive. Has anyone used both Lyft and Uber? If so, what comparisons are there between the two services? Is one better than the other?

Chris Nusbaum

> On Feb 12, 2015, at 10:13 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hey all,
> 
> I've used Lyft quite a lot recently. While I've had my downs with
> them, in general I prefer them over a normal cab because they have to
> work off of ratings and generally treat you a lot better. I've ridden
> with them enough that they sent me a code, which gives you free rides
> and me credit. The code is TYLER655367 if anyone is interested at all.
> 
> For those who don't know, Lyft is a sort of taxi service, but you
> order the cab through your phone (IOS or Android). The bonus to this
> is that the driver can't just leave you sitting there because you can
> call them when you want to and they also work on ratings, so if
> they're really bad, you can rate them and leave feedback which will be
> shared with them.
> 
> I've been denied a couple times because of a guide dog; according to
> Lyft this is against policy and can and usually does result in the
> driver not being able to drive for Lyft anymore. The support is really
> amazing.
> 
> I posted this here because as a student and even someone who is blind
> and getting around in the city sometimes, it is an amazing service.
> I've used it to go to and from the grocery store a few times as well
> as other places which would've taken me much longer to figure out.
> 
> I hope that this can help someone. Feel free to let me know if you
> have questions.
> - -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> twitter: @sorressean
> web:http://tysdomain.com
> pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc
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From filerime at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 14:19:11 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 09:19:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cz5vQcmW16BYdg=-SyfpyGoNcttbH_kWmntKGxt7UHnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted
person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under
options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box
as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
You just need to do this ones.


2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I
>> am
>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with outlook
>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>
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> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
> have any questions about Mozilla.
> Best, Kayla
>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 19:17:33 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 11:17:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Find and Replace in Microsoft Word
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gxzJ8adyQ_i=b9Z7CeziJ9VVN+jZYt9L2CtY9GNY19Pg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdz5Ruarfh1Am6XYMukCNKy6NoOpRsYfCGtS6CNxMxFYbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gxzJ8adyQ_i=b9Z7CeziJ9VVN+jZYt9L2CtY9GNY19Pg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzSY78sSaLQJpBH8LtacJjMBs_2DtYwHdCrdOcnyPhATw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All, I restarted my computer, and it is definitely super
accessible! I guess JAWS was just being weird. Sorry about that and
thanks for the replies!
Cindy

On 2/12/15, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cindy,
>
> In word 2010, all you have to do is type in the word you have to find
> and then the word you want to replace it with, then tab until you find
> the button that says "replace all." It's not really hidden anywhere,
> you just have to tab and it's right there.
>
> Minh
>
> On 2/12/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a huge task ahead of me of finding and replacing information in
>> Microsoft word 2010 documents. Ideally, I would like to find and
>> replace all. I have done this before, years ago, but hadn't for a
>> while so looked up how to do it. I found the directions on a generic
>> Microsoft help website and completed the instructions. Unfortunately,
>> when I use JAWS (I haven't tried other screen readers yet but would
>> prefer to use JAWS in Word), all the dialogue box says is "find and
>> replace." If you press tab, the same message is provided. I found a
>> JAWS tutorial and learned the keystrokes control H to initiate the
>> dialogue box, and know to first type the word to find, and to then tab
>> to type the word to replace it with. I can press alt f to initiate the
>> find and alt r to replace. But there is no keystroke that I can find
>> to replace all. I imagine there is a button but haven't found it given
>> the limited feedback i get from JAWS. I looked through the menus in
>> search of the keystroke, but couldn't find a find and replace option
>> in the menu, thus no hint keystroke.
>>
>> If anyone knows another way to do this or the keystroke I can employ
>> to initiate a replace all, it would be very helpful!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>
>> Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> --
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From ALewis at nfb.org  Fri Feb 13 21:02:24 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:02:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJA_ak=CB5c-jy4kWrqeAYwrDuozMWM487A3Y6zm58QwkQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS12D34B3080ABAFC6EBA242BF250@phx.gbl>
	<F1A5D336-0D7A-449C-99C4-A4F7F5D2BC9F@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJA_ak=CB5c-jy4kWrqeAYwrDuozMWM487A3Y6zm58QwkQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM2PR0701MB1018AE9A46FCC1080179656EC1230@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Ian:

Arielle's description is very accurate.  The only substantial change is that now we have the program structured to allow opportunities for the interns to work in a variety of departments rather than spending the full ten weeks in only one department. The goal is to expose the interns to experiences that may generate an interest in new career areas. 

I offer one correction to Derek's post.  Interns, like staff, may only participate in the meals for assignment related activities. They are not allowed to participate in the meals of all events.   

I am impressed with the applications we have received so far, and continue to encourage others to apply. You can read more information about the 2015 Summer Internship at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-2015-summer-internship-program
Sincerely,

Anil


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Executive Director 
(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 
Twitter: @AnilLife 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program

Hi Ian,
I was an NFB intern back in 2006, so some things may have changed, but
I suspect most of the structure will be the same. During that summer I
was one of six interns. We all stayed at the National Center for the
Blind. Each of us had our own bedroom and bathroom. We shared common
kitchen facilities and were responsible for buying and preparing our
own meals. There is laundry on-site. Generally we were free on
evenings and weekends, but depending on the department you are working
for, you may be assigned occasional evening and weekend work. I was
assigned to work the first weekend of my internship because there was
a leadership seminar I was asked to help administer, but that was my
only weekend assignment. I agree that asking Anil these questions will
get you the most updated details. Good luck, I really enjoyed my
internship experience.
Best, Arielle

On 2/11/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>  I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the
> program.
>  I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive
> Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get a hold
> of him for more details about the program and application  information. his
> e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
>  I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on this
> list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
>  Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had the
> opportunity to view the announcement.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Darian
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m thinking
>> about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be graduating from
>> graduate school. What are the accommodations and the meals like? Can you
>> do what you want on weekends? Is the program just the internship, and then
>> you can do your own thing beyond that? What exactly happens during the 10
>> weeks?
>> Thanks
>> Ian
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 21:42:23 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:42:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
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When is the deadline for the internship applications?

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Anil via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:02 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program

Ian:

Arielle's description is very accurate.  The only substantial change is that now we have the program structured to allow opportunities for the interns to work in a variety of departments rather than spending the full ten weeks in only one department. The goal is to expose the interns to experiences that may generate an interest in new career areas. 

I offer one correction to Derek's post.  Interns, like staff, may only participate in the meals for assignment related activities. They are not allowed to participate in the meals of all events.   

I am impressed with the applications we have received so far, and continue to encourage others to apply. You can read more information about the 2015 Summer Internship at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-2015-summer-internship-program
Sincerely,

Anil


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Executive Director
(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374
Twitter: @AnilLife 


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:58 PM
To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program

Hi Ian,
I was an NFB intern back in 2006, so some things may have changed, but I suspect most of the structure will be the same. During that summer I was one of six interns. We all stayed at the National Center for the Blind. Each of us had our own bedroom and bathroom. We shared common kitchen facilities and were responsible for buying and preparing our own meals. There is laundry on-site. Generally we were free on evenings and weekends, but depending on the department you are working for, you may be assigned occasional evening and weekend work. I was assigned to work the first weekend of my internship because there was a leadership seminar I was asked to help administer, but that was my only weekend assignment. I agree that asking Anil these questions will get you the most updated details. Good luck, I really enjoyed my internship experience.
Best, Arielle

On 2/11/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>  I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the 
> program.
>  I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive 
> Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get 
> a hold of him for more details about the program and application  
> information. his e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
>  I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on 
> this list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
>  Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had 
> the opportunity to view the announcement.
>
>   Thanks,
>   Darian
>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m 
>> thinking about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be 
>> graduating from graduate school. What are the accommodations and the 
>> meals like? Can you do what you want on weekends? Is the program just 
>> the internship, and then you can do your own thing beyond that? What 
>> exactly happens during the 10 weeks?
>> Thanks
>> Ian
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 21:50:00 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:50:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer
	Internship Program
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Just in case anyone had missed it and would appreciate having the  information.
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> To: "NABS List (nabs-l at nfbnet.org)" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 29, 2015 at 11:51:24 AM PST
> Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship Program
> From: "Lewis, Anil via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Reply-To: "Lewis, Anil" <ALewis at nfb.org>, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> 
> National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship Program
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams.  Since 1940, the members of the National Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004, we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships that empower the blind to live the lives we want.
> As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and innovative thinkers who will dream, develop, and implement the next ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship program, a unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National Federation of the Blind.
> Our National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship Program will provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field.  Our 2015 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. Internship placements are currently available for the summer of 2015. NFB internships will begin on June 1 and end on August 7, 2015 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the 2015 NFB National Convention to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July 5-10.
> 2015 summer interns will have the opportunity to engage in a variety of program areas including:
> *         Access technology
> *         Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility
> *         Data management
> *         Education programs
> *         Governmental affairs
> *         Information technology
> *         Jacobus tenBroek Library
> *         Membership building
> *         NFB NEWSLINE(r) for the Blind
> *         Outreach and fundraising
> *         Public relations & social media
> The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no other.  It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. The following are some brief comments from our 2014 Summer Interns:
> "I learned during my internship at our national headquarters the true value of personal relationships. It is an emotional understanding rather than an intellectual one, and I now look at our movement in an entirely different way." Justin
> "Interning at the NFB National Headquarters was certainly the most challenging but yet, rewarding experience. I cannot think of a project that hasn't challenged me, a way in which I haven't changed. During my time in Baltimore, my introverted self has found her voice. I learned to share my opinion, especially when I was in disagreement. Every project that I took on forced me to accept uncertainty, to acknowledge that not everything will go according to plan, and to go with the flow. As someone who often feels like I need to be totally prepared and completely in control, these situations have allowed me to gain confidence in my knowledge, leadership skills, and ability to think on my feet." Sarah
> "During the ten-week internship at the Institute I had the opportunity to work with the Advocacy and Policy team, public relations department, IBTC, education initiatives, and so much more. One of the activities that I am most proud of was the visit of the West Virginia School for the Blind. We prepared a full schedule in which they toured the institute, met our leaders, had fun, and even broke some miss-conceptions about blindness. And all of that in about a day." Yadiel
> "This entire experience has been amazing. I didn't really know what to expect when coming to Baltimore, but I wouldn't have changed it.  I've definitely grown as a person this summer. I have made amazing friendships and connections. Ten weeks go by very fast. I've always known about this organization and I have kind of been forced to be a member of it by my parents, but after this internship I am sure that the National Federation of the Blind is going to be a big part of my life. Although I am very excited to go home and enjoy my little bit of summer freedom before moving back on campus, I'm really going to miss it here." Catherine
> If you are interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind, you should prepare the following materials and submit them in an accessible electronic format no later than March 13, 2015:
> 1.    A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous involvement you have had with the Federation.  Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship.  Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from being available from June 1 through August 7.
> 2.    A resume including current contact information.
> 3.    Two or three references with complete contact information.
> Send all of your materials, preferably via email, to:
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
> Attn: Anil Lewis
> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, Maryland   21230
> Email: jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org?subject=National%20Federation%20of%20the%20Blind%202015%20Summer%20Internship%20Program>
> Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Anil Lewis at 410-659-9314, extension 2357, or jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org?subject=National%20Federation%20of%20the%20Blind%202015%20Internship%20Program>. We anticipate selecting our 2015 internship class by April 14, 2015.
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 22:23:49 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 17:23:49 -0500
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March 13. Good luck!
Kathryn 


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> On Feb 13, 2015, at 4:42 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When is the deadline for the internship applications?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Anil via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 4:02 PM
> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
> 
> Ian:
> 
> Arielle's description is very accurate.  The only substantial change is that now we have the program structured to allow opportunities for the interns to work in a variety of departments rather than spending the full ten weeks in only one department. The goal is to expose the interns to experiences that may generate an interest in new career areas. 
> 
> I offer one correction to Derek's post.  Interns, like staff, may only participate in the meals for assignment related activities. They are not allowed to participate in the meals of all events.   
> 
> I am impressed with the applications we have received so far, and continue to encourage others to apply. You can read more information about the 2015 Summer Internship at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/national-federation-blind-2015-summer-internship-program
> Sincerely,
> 
> Anil
> 
> 
> Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
> Executive Director
> (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374
> Twitter: @AnilLife 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2015 9:58 PM
> To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Program
> 
> Hi Ian,
> I was an NFB intern back in 2006, so some things may have changed, but I suspect most of the structure will be the same. During that summer I was one of six interns. We all stayed at the National Center for the Blind. Each of us had our own bedroom and bathroom. We shared common kitchen facilities and were responsible for buying and preparing our own meals. There is laundry on-site. Generally we were free on evenings and weekends, but depending on the department you are working for, you may be assigned occasional evening and weekend work. I was assigned to work the first weekend of my internship because there was a leadership seminar I was asked to help administer, but that was my only weekend assignment. I agree that asking Anil these questions will get you the most updated details. Good luck, I really enjoyed my internship experience.
> Best, Arielle
> 
>> On 2/11/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I believe an announcement recently went out to the list regarding the 
>> program.
>> I believe the announcement came from Anil Lewis who is the  Executive 
>> Director of the Jernigan  Institute.  I believe you might want to get 
>> a hold of him for more details about the program and application  
>> information. his e-mail  is  alewis at nfb.org <mailto:alewis at nfb.org>.
>> I’m sure we have a few participants of the program in past years on 
>> this list, and  if they are able they might share their experiences.
>> Again, Mr. Lewis might be a good starting point if you haven’t had 
>> the opportunity to view the announcement.
>> 
>>  Thanks,
>>  Darian
>>> On Feb 11, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I’m curious what the NFB summer internship program is like? I’m 
>>> thinking about applying for this summer, since I’ll just be 
>>> graduating from graduate school. What are the accommodations and the 
>>> meals like? Can you do what you want on weekends? Is the program just 
>>> the internship, and then you can do your own thing beyond that? What 
>>> exactly happens during the 10 weeks?
>>> Thanks
>>> Ian
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 14 19:15:08 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 14:15:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please help my Facetime is messed up
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Dear Students,

I need help figuring out why my facatime is messed up.  Every 
time I open facetime on my iPad it says edit.  Whenever I make a 
facetime call it says your video fron fcing.  Can you please help 
me figure out what is wrong with it? Thank you for your 
assistance with this.


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sat Feb 14 20:05:11 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:05:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Please help my Facetime is messed up
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If you're trying to make a FaceTime audio call, I would use Siri and say, FaceTime Audio, "name"
Have you updated to the newest IOS?

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Feb 14, 2015, at 14:15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I need help figuring out why my facatime is messed up.  Every time I open facetime on my iPad it says edit.  Whenever I make a facetime call it says your video fron fcing.  Can you please help me figure out what is wrong with it? Thank you for your assistance with this.
> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 15 17:38:37 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:38:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Sometimes, make small talk with them. Sometimes, some people do things b/c they may like you, etc. That was the case in my situation once. We had a similar situation as you described in both situations. At one point, the individual assisting me came out later after we exchanged numbers and agreed to meet-up and said that, they liked my voice and liked that, I gave them something constructive to do. One lap- dance later, after dinner and ya know I forgot about their miss-haps, etc.  We ended up agreeing to a hit and quit (mutually a one-night stand), b/c, we knew that, it would not go anywhere really; but, it was all good. We still talk and stuff, and I helped them get out of an abusive relationship. We now hang out and have drinks sometimes after work.  Have a good one.


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, NABSters,
> 
> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
> 
> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
> at Kroger.
> 
> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
> leafy things.
> "I think it's somewhere around here."
> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
> "I don't see it."
> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
> 
> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
> packaging.
> 
> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
> 
> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
> wait.
> 
> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
> 
> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
> 
> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
> 
> It's a tricky situation because
> --
> Kaiti
> 
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 18:43:25 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
Message-ID: <8AA411C663E94424816E0376658FEE8F@Gloria>

    Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For these assignments it would be helpful to have some type electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along, or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
Gloria  

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 20:39:07 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
Message-ID: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723@mx.google.com>

See attached.  This was from when I took intro to psych back in 
2011, so it's not the most recent, but I hope it helps.

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Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide

    Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my 
problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are 
learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing 
sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style 
guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in 
class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For 
these assignments it would be helpful to have some type 
electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if 
anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along, 
or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am 
planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and 
remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure 
if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
Gloria
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 15 22:56:36 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:56:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
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Hi everyone this is a message from the Braille Penpals yahoo 
group about a blind penpal magazine.  I am a part of this 
magazine and I have made some new friends since joining last 
year.

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Subject: [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:22:31 +0100

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From aloshamoore at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 04:21:46 2015
From: aloshamoore at gmail.com (Alosha Moore)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:21:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9cz5vQcmW16BYdg=-SyfpyGoNcttbH_kWmntKGxt7UHnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>
	<CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMtP_9cz5vQcmW16BYdg=-SyfpyGoNcttbH_kWmntKGxt7UHnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7B0C1B4-B1E3-4DB8-9B52-AF65D4D4B616@gmail.com>

Hey:
I've had so much trouble with office Outlook 365! Thanks a ton for this tip! Apart from my iPhone, I have set my Gmail account to address emails with attachments from my outlook account. This will be great though, especially as I need my emails to appear professional for potential summer internship applications and employers.
Thanks a lot, Alosha Moore. 



> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
> When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted
> person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under
> options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
> If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box
> as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
> You just need to do this ones.
> 
> 
> 2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I
>>> am
>>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with outlook
>>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>> 
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>> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
>> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
>> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
>> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
>> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
>> have any questions about Mozilla.
>> Best, Kayla
>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 16 15:00:19 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 10:00:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
In-Reply-To: <A7B0C1B4-B1E3-4DB8-9B52-AF65D4D4B616@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d04566$c4cf11f0$4e6d35d0$@gmail.com>	<CAGpn82QbZ=T8k7emLgS_x3+TnD8hOHqZRT=nScR5HTvf9wgkjA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAMtP_9cz5vQcmW16BYdg=-SyfpyGoNcttbH_kWmntKGxt7UHnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A7B0C1B4-B1E3-4DB8-9B52-AF65D4D4B616@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020001d049f9$4889d020$d99d7060$@gmail.com>

Thanks for all the tips; much appreciated 

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Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2015 11:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365

Hey:
I've had so much trouble with office Outlook 365! Thanks a ton for this tip! Apart from my iPhone, I have set my Gmail account to address emails with attachments from my outlook account. This will be great though, especially as I need my emails to appear professional for potential summer internship applications and employers.
Thanks a lot, Alosha Moore. 



> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
> When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted 
> person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under 
> options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
> If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box 
> as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
> You just need to do this ones.
> 
> 
> 2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how 
>>> inept I am with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help 
>>> me with outlook
>>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>> 
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>> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my 
>> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was 
>> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option 
>> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to 
>> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you 
>> have any questions about Mozilla.
>> Best, Kayla
>> 
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 00:31:22 2015
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:31:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Envisioning youth empowerment retreat?
Message-ID: <A8A521F6-AE41-4290-8310-09A7278BC2EB@gmail.com>

Hey guys I have a question has any of you attended the envisioning youth empowerment retreat? How was it like?

Sent from my iPhone

From dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 17 01:26:30 2015
From: dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:26:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question About Using Survey Monkey With JAWS
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Hello all.
I am a Psychology major in third year. For a Research Practicam course that 
I have, I am conducting various survey researchh and we are examining survey 
monkey accessibility also. I was wondering if anyone knows if designing 
surveys on Survey Monkey is accessible with JAWS, and if so what is the best 
way to use it with JAWS for designing surveys. Particularly some 
instructions would help. When I go on it shows as a blank page and when I 
press the insert z to turn off cursor then I can at least see links but when 
it's on I don't even see the link.
Thanks.
Rilind.
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   3. Re: Electronic APA writing style guide (Karl Martin Adam)
   4. [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals (Roanna Bacchus)
   5. Re: jaws outlook 365 (Alosha Moore)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:38:37 -0500
From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National Association
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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Sometimes, make small talk with them. Sometimes, some people do things b/c 
they may like you, etc. That was the case in my situation once. We had a 
similar situation as you described in both situations. At one point, the 
individual assisting me came out later after we exchanged numbers and agreed 
to meet-up and said that, they liked my voice and liked that, I gave them 
something constructive to do. One lap- dance later, after dinner and ya know 
I forgot about their miss-haps, etc.  We ended up agreeing to a hit and quit 
(mutually a one-night stand), b/c, we knew that, it would not go anywhere 
really; but, it was all good. We still talk and stuff, and I helped them get 
out of an abusive relationship. We now hang out and have drinks sometimes 
after work.  Have a good one.


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, NABSters,
>
> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>
> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
> at Kroger.
>
> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
> leafy things.
> "I think it's somewhere around here."
> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
> "I don't see it."
> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>
> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
> packaging.
>
> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>
> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
> wait.
>
> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>
> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>
> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>
> It's a tricky situation because
> --
> Kaiti
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
Message-ID: <8AA411C663E94424816E0376658FEE8F at Gloria>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

    Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my problem. I am 
taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are learning to use APA style of 
writing when it comes to citing sources and so on. I have an audio version 
of the APA style guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing 
in class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For these 
assignments it would be helpful to have some type electronic copy of the 
writing style guide, and was wondering if anyone had an electronic copy they 
wouldn't mind passing along, or could give any advice as to how to deal with 
this? I am planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and 
remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure if there 
was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
Gloria

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:07 -0500
From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
To: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>, National Association of Blind
Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
Message-ID: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"

See attached.  This was from when I took intro to psych back in
2011, so it's not the most recent, but I hope it helps.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gloria G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide

    Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my
problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are
learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing
sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style
guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in
class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For
these assignments it would be helpful to have some type
electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if
anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along,
or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am
planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and
remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure
if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
Gloria
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:56:36 -0500
From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
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Hi everyone this is a message from the Braille Penpals yahoo
group about a blind penpal magazine.  I am a part of this
magazine and I have made some new friends since joining last
year.

---- Original Message ------
From: "adrijana prokopenko adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
[braillepenpals]" <braillepenpals at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:22:31 +0100

Hi all,

I run a free email weekly magazine for blind penpals.  It has
gotten
very popular over the months and we currently got about 900 blind
subscribers from all over the world 18 and above.  If you wish to
join
or know of others that do, please spread the word and email me
at:
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:21:46 -0600
From: Alosha Moore <aloshamoore at gmail.com>
To: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>, National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
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Hey:
I've had so much trouble with office Outlook 365! Thanks a ton for this tip! 
Apart from my iPhone, I have set my Gmail account to address emails with 
attachments from my outlook account. This will be great though, especially 
as I need my emails to appear professional for potential summer internship 
applications and employers.
Thanks a lot, Alosha Moore.



> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Elif Emir ?ks?z via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
> When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted
> person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under
> options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
> If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box
> as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
> You just need to do this ones.
>
>
> 2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept I
>>> am
>>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with 
>>> outlook
>>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>>
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>> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
>> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
>> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
>> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
>> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
>> have any questions about Mozilla.
>> Best, Kayla
>>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 02:59:21 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 21:59:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
In-Reply-To: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723@mx.google.com>
References: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A3EBBA82-2D0F-49EC-A1E4-A27161997C9D@gmail.com>

The 6th Edition of the APA Publication Manual is also on Bookshare.

> On Feb 15, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> See attached.  This was from when I took intro to psych back in 2011, so it's not the most recent, but I hope it helps.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gloria G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
> 
>   Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For these assignments it would be helpful to have some type electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along, or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
> Gloria
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 04:08:35 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 20:08:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question About Using Survey Monkey With JAWS
In-Reply-To: <COL130-DS236A210C7E2733DD44C7DFC22F0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.13.1424088002.776.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
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Message-ID: <CALAYQJD4zk0ogw8FdYkeNYB8L2i-2+XA1Oz_qAHGhRjOW7yKBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rilind, It's been a couple years but SurveyMonkey has always been
accessible for me. Are you using a recent version ofJAWS and a recent
version of Internet Explorer or Firefox? Sometimes these things can
happen if the browser or JAWS is out of date. If everything is
updated: Are you able to create an account? Or is the page blank as
soon as you get to surveymonkey.com?
It's possible the accessibility has gone away, but I'm hoping not.
Arielle

On 2/16/15, Rilind Dragoshi via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all.
> I am a Psychology major in third year. For a Research Practicam course that
>
> I have, I am conducting various survey researchh and we are examining survey
>
> monkey accessibility also. I was wondering if anyone knows if designing
> surveys on Survey Monkey is accessible with JAWS, and if so what is the best
>
> way to use it with JAWS for designing surveys. Particularly some
> instructions would help. When I go on it shows as a blank page and when I
> press the insert z to turn off cursor then I can at least see links but when
>
> it's on I don't even see the link.
> Thanks.
> Rilind.
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>    1. Re: Problems with grocery shopping (wmodnl wmodnl)
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>    3. Re: Electronic APA writing style guide (Karl Martin Adam)
>    4. [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals (Roanna Bacchus)
>    5. Re: jaws outlook 365 (Alosha Moore)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:38:37 -0500
> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
> Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS22121E9C87BF937E12E741DDC210 at phx.gbl>
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>
> Sometimes, make small talk with them. Sometimes, some people do things b/c
> they may like you, etc. That was the case in my situation once. We had a
> similar situation as you described in both situations. At one point, the
> individual assisting me came out later after we exchanged numbers and agreed
>
> to meet-up and said that, they liked my voice and liked that, I gave them
> something constructive to do. One lap- dance later, after dinner and ya know
>
> I forgot about their miss-haps, etc.  We ended up agreeing to a hit and quit
>
> (mutually a one-night stand), b/c, we knew that, it would not go anywhere
> really; but, it was all good. We still talk and stuff, and I helped them get
>
> out of an abusive relationship. We now hang out and have drinks sometimes
> after work.  Have a good one.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, NABSters,
>>
>> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
>> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
>> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>>
>> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
>> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
>> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
>> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
>> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
>> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
>> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
>> at Kroger.
>>
>> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
>> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
>> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
>> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
>> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
>> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
>> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
>> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
>> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
>> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
>> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
>> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
>> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
>> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
>> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
>> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
>> leafy things.
>> "I think it's somewhere around here."
>> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
>> "I don't see it."
>> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>>
>> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
>> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
>> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
>> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
>> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
>> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
>> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
>> packaging.
>>
>> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
>> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
>> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
>> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
>> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
>> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>>
>> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
>> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
>> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
>> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
>> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
>> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
>> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
>> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
>> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
>> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
>> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
>> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
>> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
>> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
>> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
>> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
>> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
>> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
>> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
>> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
>> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
>> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
>> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
>> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
>> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
>> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
>> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
>> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
>> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
>> wait.
>>
>> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
>> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
>> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
>> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
>> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
>> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
>> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
>> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
>> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
>> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
>> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
>> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
>> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
>> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
>> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>>
>> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
>> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
>> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
>> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
>> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
>> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
>> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
>> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
>> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
>> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
>> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>>
>> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
>> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
>> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>>
>> It's a tricky situation because
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
> Message-ID: <8AA411C663E94424816E0376658FEE8F at Gloria>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>     Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my problem. I am
>
> taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are learning to use APA style of
>
> writing when it comes to citing sources and so on. I have an audio version
> of the APA style guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing
>
> in class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For these
> assignments it would be helpful to have some type electronic copy of the
> writing style guide, and was wondering if anyone had an electronic copy they
>
> wouldn't mind passing along, or could give any advice as to how to deal with
>
> this? I am planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and
> remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure if there
> was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
> Gloria
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:07 -0500
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>, National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
> Message-ID: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> See attached.  This was from when I took intro to psych back in
> 2011, so it's not the most recent, but I hope it helps.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gloria G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
>
>     Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my
> problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are
> learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing
> sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style
> guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in
> class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For
> these assignments it would be helpful to have some type
> electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if
> anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along,
> or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am
> planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and
> remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure
> if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
> Gloria
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:56:36 -0500
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
> Message-ID: <54e1242a.0673e00a.6ea6.3ca6 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone this is a message from the Braille Penpals yahoo
> group about a blind penpal magazine.  I am a part of this
> magazine and I have made some new friends since joining last
> year.
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "adrijana prokopenko adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
> [braillepenpals]" <braillepenpals at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:22:31 +0100
>
> Hi all,
>
> I run a free email weekly magazine for blind penpals.  It has
> gotten
> very popular over the months and we currently got about 900 blind
> subscribers from all over the world 18 and above.  If you wish to
> join
> or know of others that do, please spread the word and email me
> at:
> adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:21:46 -0600
> From: Alosha Moore <aloshamoore at gmail.com>
> To: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>, National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
> Message-ID: <A7B0C1B4-B1E3-4DB8-9B52-AF65D4D4B616 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hey:
> I've had so much trouble with office Outlook 365! Thanks a ton for this tip!
>
> Apart from my iPhone, I have set my Gmail account to address emails with
> attachments from my outlook account. This will be great though, especially
> as I need my emails to appear professional for potential summer internship
> applications and employers.
> Thanks a lot, Alosha Moore.
>
>
>
>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Elif Emir ?ks?z via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
>> When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted
>> person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under
>> options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
>> If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box
>> as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
>> You just need to do this ones.
>>
>>
>> 2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with
>>>> outlook
>>>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>>>
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>>> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
>>> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
>>> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
>>> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
>>> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
>>> have any questions about Mozilla.
>>> Best, Kayla
>>>
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From rhondaprincess at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 11:15:31 2015
From: rhondaprincess at gmail.com (rhondaprincess at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 03:15:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello everybody.
Message-ID: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPad oh. My name is Rhonda, I'm from Northern California. I'm going to be attending the Hadley school one online classes soon. I hope to talk to everyone soon,

From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Tue Feb 17 12:28:20 2015
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 13:28:20 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] French Phonetics
Message-ID: <7DDA360E-4141-4E42-B19E-D058BD50BAD0@ymail.com>

BS'D

Hello,

I am studying French at the university and I wonder if any of you have been successful to learn French phonetics without using Braille in paper format. Me and my teachers would be happy if we could find a way to do it with a computer and VoiceOver or Jaws. Can you read phonetic symbols with VoiceOver or Jaws? I am thankful for every advice you can give me since I am not a tech girl at all.

Kind regards,
Lesholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Stockholm, Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 15:32:03 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:32:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
Message-ID: <C9798D4F-3405-4609-9858-AB238191104B@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? The subject says it all. I just wanted to tell you that I'm going to start August in 2015 classes in my University that I transfer to. And I'm actually going to be an English Major this Fall. With what classes should I start taking this Fall,or what classes do you recommend taking this Fall? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to meet with an Advisor perhaps this week and discuss with her and him regarding my classes that i ned to take. And as you all know as well, I want to be a lawyer as well, so i'm probably going to take an internship class. Whave you guys heard of that class before? Hope you guys can help me with these questions, especially the English Majors students! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From pgradioman at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 17 17:13:33 2015
From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello everybody.
In-Reply-To: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
References: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL403-EAS3740B5CEA9678FB9380B155CB2F0@phx.gbl>

Congrats Rhonda, good luck to you, talk soon, Preston

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:16 AM, rhonda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad oh. My name is Rhonda, I'm from Northern California. I'm going to be attending the Hadley school one online classes soon. I hope to talk to everyone soon,
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 20:17:46 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:17:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Envisioning youth empowerment retreat?
In-Reply-To: <A8A521F6-AE41-4290-8310-09A7278BC2EB@gmail.com>
References: <A8A521F6-AE41-4290-8310-09A7278BC2EB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOgWOCcbC18eaTwNtQpNQFdEgJwHCwmyUAGGLcy2yBQvDh4PCg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ana,
My name is Jewel. I participated in the EYE Retreat  five years ago,
and since then have been a group leader and a senior group leader. I
am currently a trustee on the Board of Directors. I would love to tell
you about the EYE Retreat experience; just let me know what you are
most interested in learning about: classes, housing, field trips,
evening activities, etc. We can start from there. The EYE Retreat is
jam-packed with information and fun! This year is going to be a little
different, so I'll tell you what I can about that. The most important
thing about the EYE Retreat is that you come prepared to learn,
because this is not a leisure camp. Hope to hear from you!
Yours,
Jewel Shuping
herekittykat97 at gmail.com

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hey guys I have a question has any of you attended the envisioning youth empowerment retreat? How was it like?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Feb 17 20:21:52 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:21:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Envisioning youth empowerment retreat?
In-Reply-To: <CAOgWOCcbC18eaTwNtQpNQFdEgJwHCwmyUAGGLcy2yBQvDh4PCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A8A521F6-AE41-4290-8310-09A7278BC2EB@gmail.com>
	<CAOgWOCcbC18eaTwNtQpNQFdEgJwHCwmyUAGGLcy2yBQvDh4PCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3EE17170-3C48-4F25-A944-38DE5AEB6E9A@icloud.com>

What exactly is the retreat?

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 3:17 PM, Jewel S. via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Ana,
> My name is Jewel. I participated in the EYE Retreat  five years ago,
> and since then have been a group leader and a senior group leader. I
> am currently a trustee on the Board of Directors. I would love to tell
> you about the EYE Retreat experience; just let me know what you are
> most interested in learning about: classes, housing, field trips,
> evening activities, etc. We can start from there. The EYE Retreat is
> jam-packed with information and fun! This year is going to be a little
> different, so I'll tell you what I can about that. The most important
> thing about the EYE Retreat is that you come prepared to learn,
> because this is not a leisure camp. Hope to hear from you!
> Yours,
> Jewel Shuping
> herekittykat97 at gmail.com
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys I have a question has any of you attended the envisioning youth empowerment retreat? How was it like?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 20:27:23 2015
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:27:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello everybody.
In-Reply-To: <COL403-EAS3740B5CEA9678FB9380B155CB2F0@phx.gbl>
References: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
	<COL403-EAS3740B5CEA9678FB9380B155CB2F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <E63D72BA-402E-4EBE-A5D4-2C6A69CCD466@gmail.com>

Welcome Rhonda! I'm glad you can be part of this group and hope you will find it informative,  supportive, and helpful.
Rebecca ~

    When a man loves, he seeks no power, and therefore, he has power.
~Alan Paton

> On 17/02/2015, at 11:13, Preston Gaylor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Congrats Rhonda, good luck to you, talk soon, Preston
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 6:16 AM, rhonda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad oh. My name is Rhonda, I'm from Northern California. I'm going to be attending the Hadley school one online classes soon. I hope to talk to everyone soon,
>> _______________________________________________
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From Dragoshi11 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 17 22:32:34 2015
From: Dragoshi11 at hotmail.com (Rilind Dragoshi)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 18:32:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question About Using Survey Monkey With JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJD4zk0ogw8FdYkeNYB8L2i-2+XA1Oz_qAHGhRjOW7yKBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.13.1424088002.776.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org><COL130-DS236A210C7E2733DD44C7DFC22F0@phx.gbl>
	<CALAYQJD4zk0ogw8FdYkeNYB8L2i-2+XA1Oz_qAHGhRjOW7yKBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL130-DS7970022921F7C4EA6630BC22F0@phx.gbl>

Hello  Ariel.
Currently, I have JAWS 13 and Internet explorer. I have to check the version 
of internet explorer.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Arielle Silverman
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:08 AM
To: Rilind Dragoshi ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question About Using Survey Monkey With JAWS

Hi Rilind, It's been a couple years but SurveyMonkey has always been
accessible for me. Are you using a recent version ofJAWS and a recent
version of Internet Explorer or Firefox? Sometimes these things can
happen if the browser or JAWS is out of date. If everything is
updated: Are you able to create an account? Or is the page blank as
soon as you get to surveymonkey.com?
It's possible the accessibility has gone away, but I'm hoping not.
Arielle

On 2/16/15, Rilind Dragoshi via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all.
> I am a Psychology major in third year. For a Research Practicam course 
> that
>
> I have, I am conducting various survey researchh and we are examining 
> survey
>
> monkey accessibility also. I was wondering if anyone knows if designing
> surveys on Survey Monkey is accessible with JAWS, and if so what is the 
> best
>
> way to use it with JAWS for designing surveys. Particularly some
> instructions would help. When I go on it shows as a blank page and when I
> press the insert z to turn off cursor then I can at least see links but 
> when
>
> it's on I don't even see the link.
> Thanks.
> Rilind.
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:38:37 -0500
> From: wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com>
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problems with grocery shopping
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> Sometimes, make small talk with them. Sometimes, some people do things b/c
> they may like you, etc. That was the case in my situation once. We had a
> similar situation as you described in both situations. At one point, the
> individual assisting me came out later after we exchanged numbers and 
> agreed
>
> to meet-up and said that, they liked my voice and liked that, I gave them
> something constructive to do. One lap- dance later, after dinner and ya 
> know
>
> I forgot about their miss-haps, etc.  We ended up agreeing to a hit and 
> quit
>
> (mutually a one-night stand), b/c, we knew that, it would not go anywhere
> really; but, it was all good. We still talk and stuff, and I helped them 
> get
>
> out of an abusive relationship. We now hang out and have drinks sometimes
> after work.  Have a good one.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Feb 9, 2015, at 4:05 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, NABSters,
>>
>> Lately I've been having some problems when I've been grocery shopping,
>> and I'm wondering if any of you who independently shop for your food
>> have had similar situations and/or know how to work around them.
>>
>> I'm a very detailed shopper.  I make my lists in advance, plan out a
>> rough budget, and also organize all the other logistics like
>> para-transit in advance.  All last semester I had great success going
>> through my local Kroger and found the staff there to be very helpful
>> and friendly.  However, over Christmas break I found out that we had a
>> Meijer nearby, and I decided to start going there instead for better
>> produce and lower prices on some things I was finding pretty expensive
>> at Kroger.
>>
>> I've been to the Meijer twice now (I go shopping every other weekend)
>> and ping on Saturdays at the times of day that I know the store won't
>> be as busy, like before 9:00 in the morning or after 7:00 PM.  The
>> first time the shopping assistant I had seemed to have very little
>> clue as to how to actually help me.  He did not listen to what I
>> wanted, sometimes just took off and left me to look for things I said
>> I had on my list, and often had to stop other employees and other
>> shoppers to ask questions.  He was very confusing to follow, as he
>> would just read off everything instead of specifically look for what I
>> said I needed.  For example, we came up to the wall of bagged
>> vegitables and the dialog went something like this:
>> "Okay, now I need chopped salads.  The kind I usually get are by Dole."
>> "Okay... chopped salad.  I see carrots, romaine, Spinach..." (he's at
>> least a good 4 feet away from me and moving away down the wall.  I
>> have enough vision to see more orange from top to bottom, so I know
>> he's going towards the bagged carrot sticks and away from the green,
>> leafy things.
>> "I think it's somewhere around here."
>> "Okay" (he comes toward me."  "Dole Romaine, Dole Spinach lettuce."
>> "I don't see it."
>> Fellow shopper. "The chopped salad is right there.  (Just to his right).
>>
>> This happened at the cheese section as well.  He kept talking about 2
>> for 5 deals and such randomly, but since he wasn't just looking at the
>> types of cheese I needed it was hard to tell what he was talking about
>> and gauge what the best value would be.    At one point he assumed
>> that I didn't know how to open my box of Oreos I asked for, so when he
>> said to give him my hand and I offered it palm up, he flipped it over
>> and gave me unsolicited instruction in the art of opening the
>> packaging.
>>
>> I wasn't rude to this guy, and I assumed that he was a bit off
>> probably due to an intellectual disability.  I chalked it up to that,
>> and thought that at worst I might want to talk to the manager about
>> educating employees on how to properly and politely work with shoppers
>> with disabilities (he was also super grabby and wanted me to hold onto
>> him even though I repeatedly assured him I could follow behind).
>>
>> I went back to the same Meijer on Saturday and got a different
>> assistant.  This lady definitely had some disability.  I think it is
>> probably Down Syndrome because she had some of the facial features,
>> but I can't be sure.  She presented a different host of challenges;
>> she definitely knew her way around the store and politely offered her
>> arm but did not continue insistently once I declined, and she
>> definitely knew her brands.  She also had a much better handle on
>> helping me shop efficiently because she knew, "Dairy is a bit off, do
>> you have anything like bread on your list we could get on our way?,"
>> that the other guy did not.  Instead of taking double the usual time,
>> she got me done in half my usual time.  The only problems with her
>> were that sometimes she'd get distracted by items I didn't need and I
>> would have to redirect her in order to get the information I really
>> needed.  When I asked the question out right, not only based on price
>> but also size of package which value was better, she had trouble
>> answering that question.  Then in checkout she provided unsolicited
>> information that wasn't necessarily socially acceptable.  A lady with
>> a wheelchair cart was paying for her food in front of us, and the
>> shopping assistant turned and said, not all too quietly, "She's paying
>> with WIC, and she's got about the whole store on the conveyor belt."
>> I felt myself go red because I didn't know what that other woman's
>> reaction would be.  Of course I didn't ask her for this information,
>> but I really felt bad for the other lady who was probably buying in
>> bulk because it was harder for her to get out to shop for a family.  I
>> didn't really know how to respond to the shopping assistant, and when
>> I was silent for a few seconds she just repeated herself as if I
>> didn't hear her.  Then I asked her to take me to a specific bench I
>> knew was there while I waited for my ride to come back for pickup, and
>> she stuck me in another location which I was less familiar with to
>> wait.
>>
>> I am all for placing people with any disability in a job, and I
>> understand that positions like greeters (like the lady I worked with
>> was before she started helping me) are the positions most likely to be
>> pulled by customer service to assist shoppers, but how do you work out
>> that situation.  The first guy was particularly frustrating because he
>> took so long to find simple things and popular brands like Tyson,
>> Sargento, and Dole, but on the flip side you had the other lady who
>> wasn't a good judge of value and sometimes would talk my ear off as we
>> walked and realize some ways off that we missed what we were going
>> for.  I applaud Meijer for employing people who can really use the
>> work, but I think they need to consider the needs of customers who ask
>> for shopping assistance when pairing them up with employees.  If
>> people like the first guy are unable to read the expiration dates on
>> meats, that's a problem for me.  If I'm trying to save money and I
>> can't get a good judge of value, that's also a problem for me.
>>
>> Being a major in a field where I'll eventually have clients with all
>> sorts of disabilities, I have learned to be very accepting and patient
>> in these situations, but when I only have so long to shop before
>> para-transit comes back or am trying to stick to a budget the matter
>> can be a bit complicated.  When I went shopping with the Oreo guy I
>> had to skip a few items on my list in order to check out and be ready
>> on time, and I'll confess my patience was wearing a little thin after
>> an hour and a half because he was constantly trying to be custodial.
>> I just was a little worried about keeping my budget and a little
>> socially uncomfortable with the second employee, although I do know
>> she tried to be helpful and was for most of the trip.
>>
>> I have never had these issues at the other store, so I'm a little
>> unsure of how to best proceed should I have this happen again,
>> especially with the first guy.  Thoughts?
>>
>> It's a tricky situation because
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
> From: "Gloria G" <gloria.graves at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
> Message-ID: <8AA411C663E94424816E0376658FEE8F at Gloria>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>     Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my problem. I 
> am
>
> taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are learning to use APA style 
> of
>
> writing when it comes to citing sources and so on. I have an audio version
> of the APA style guide, but there are some activities that we will be 
> doing
>
> in class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For these
> assignments it would be helpful to have some type electronic copy of the
> writing style guide, and was wondering if anyone had an electronic copy 
> they
>
> wouldn't mind passing along, or could give any advice as to how to deal 
> with
>
> this? I am planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and
> remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure if there
> was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
> Gloria
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 15:39:07 -0500
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: Gloria G <gloria.graves at gmail.com>, National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
> Message-ID: <54e1041e.94296b0a.4d23.ffff8723 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed"
>
> See attached.  This was from when I took intro to psych back in
> 2011, so it's not the most recent, but I hope it helps.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gloria G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 12:43:25 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Electronic APA writing style guide
>
>     Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could provide any suggestions to my
> problem. I am taking an Intro to Counseling course and we are
> learning to use APA style of writing when it comes to citing
> sources and so on. I have an audio version of the APA style
> guide, but there are some activities that we will be doing in
> class such as, a APA scadventure hunt and an APA group quiz. For
> these assignments it would be helpful to have some type
> electronic copy of the writing style guide, and was wondering if
> anyone had an electronic copy they wouldn't mind passing along,
> or could give any advice as to how to deal with this? I am
> planning to listen to the audio version of the style guide and
> remember as much as I can with the notes I take, but wasn't sure
> if there was an easier way. Thanks in advance!
> Gloria
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 17:56:36 -0500
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
> Message-ID: <54e1242a.0673e00a.6ea6.3ca6 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi everyone this is a message from the Braille Penpals yahoo
> group about a blind penpal magazine.  I am a part of this
> magazine and I have made some new friends since joining last
> year.
>
> ---- Original Message ------
> From: "adrijana prokopenko adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
> [braillepenpals]" <braillepenpals at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [braillepenpals] Magazine for blind penpals
> Date sent: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:22:31 +0100
>
> Hi all,
>
> I run a free email weekly magazine for blind penpals.  It has
> gotten
> very popular over the months and we currently got about 900 blind
> subscribers from all over the world 18 and above.  If you wish to
> join
> or know of others that do, please spread the word and email me
> at:
> adrijana.prokopenko at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 22:21:46 -0600
> From: Alosha Moore <aloshamoore at gmail.com>
> To: Elif Emir ?ks?z <filerime at gmail.com>, National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] jaws outlook 365
> Message-ID: <A7B0C1B4-B1E3-4DB8-9B52-AF65D4D4B616 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hey:
> I've had so much trouble with office Outlook 365! Thanks a ton for this 
> tip!
>
> Apart from my iPhone, I have set my Gmail account to address emails with
> attachments from my outlook account. This will be great though, especially
> as I need my emails to appear professional for potential summer internship
> applications and employers.
> Thanks a lot, Alosha Moore.
>
>
>
>> On Feb 13, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Elif Emir ?ks?z via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, my school is using office 365 as well.
>> When you open your mail box, just for one time you need a sighted
>> person to change a setting. If I remember correct, it was under
>> options. There is a box to check. it says outlook light version.
>> If you can manage to check box, which means you'll see your mail box
>> as outlook light version, it is pretty accessible.
>> You just need to do this ones.
>>
>>
>> 2015-02-10 22:02 GMT-05:00, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> On 2/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Narrow that last request to outlook 365 and jaws 16; you see how inept
>>>> I
>>>> am
>>>> with that, even got the name wrong. If you folks can help me with
>>>> outlook
>>>> 365 and jaws 16, that would be great.
>>>>
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>>> Hi, I haven't attempted to use Office 365 with JFW 16, but when my
>>> college switched to that particular platform about a year ago it was
>>> not accessible with JAWS. If it is still inaccessible, another option
>>> that you might try  is to use the Mozilla Thunderbird email client to
>>> access your mail. I hope this helps, feel free to contact me if you
>>> have any questions about Mozilla.
>>> Best, Kayla
>>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Feb 17 22:36:10 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:36:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello everybody.
In-Reply-To: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
References: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02fe01d04b02$21acb990$65062cb0$@gmail.com>

Rhonda,

Welcome to the list. I hope you find us to be a supportive, informative and
entertaining group. Please feel free to post any questions you might have
about being a blind student. I look forward to your contributions.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of rhonda via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:16 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello everybody.



Sent from my iPad oh. My name is Rhonda, I'm from Northern California. I'm
going to be attending the Hadley school one online classes soon. I hope to
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Feb 17 22:43:11 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 16:43:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Hadley school for the blindWasRe:  Hello everybody.
In-Reply-To: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
References: <5BC5F6E3-7D34-46BF-9D89-60DBEC77C2D9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS3789BCB398D22B0C2B7B784CE2F0@phx.gbl>

Hi Rhonda, I see here that you're going to attend the Hadley school for the blind I wanted to stop by and wish you a good luck and if you need any kind of assistance regarding the Hadley school for the blind to please let me know as I'm taking some of their courses at this current time. If you wish you can either Skype me or give me a call and I will be glad to assist if I could.

Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is the best way to communicate, are you interested in meeting new people and making new friends? Then we have created a group for you.this group, is where blind and deaf individuals can get together and socialize in communicate. If you were interested please subscribe here.
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org or send a blank message to

chat-request at list.ntxability.orgSent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2015, at 5:16 AM, rhonda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad oh. My name is Rhonda, I'm from Northern California. I'm going to be attending the Hadley school one online classes soon. I hope to talk to everyone soon,
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 04:30:40 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 22:30:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor stream second-generation
Message-ID: <CD8FCDBF-EF7C-44B5-9A5E-CE829DA7781C@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Is anyone know how to make the at symbol when using the victor stream? I am trying to set up my NLS barred on my Flickr stream second-generation that thank you so much that

Sent from my iPhone

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 15:59:29 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:59:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Very important for us as students: please watch
Message-ID: <141A35F6-A083-4A2F-AF3D-80115E8AF9F0@gmail.com>

Good morning all! The ratification of this treaty will have a positive affect on all of us as students. Please join me and sharing this influential video on all social media outlets.
Of course, reach out with any questions and I will be happy to answer them.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YKE2Xb-p5AI
Best,
Kathryn Webster


Sent from my iPhone

From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 16:09:49 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 10:09:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Very important for us as students: please watch
In-Reply-To: <141A35F6-A083-4A2F-AF3D-80115E8AF9F0@gmail.com>
References: <141A35F6-A083-4A2F-AF3D-80115E8AF9F0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tbriAP=OPLh0c_N_OowcfEZtNAP3az_78CiaiDPA5Sng@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much for posting this.  I'd heard of this trety before, but
didn't know what had ahappened to it.  I really hope it gets radified.
That would be great to access books from places like CNIB, or better
yet RNIB.

On 2/18/15, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning all! The ratification of this treaty will have a positive
> affect on all of us as students. Please join me and sharing this influential
> video on all social media outlets.
> Of course, reach out with any questions and I will be happy to answer them.
> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YKE2Xb-p5AI
> Best,
> Kathryn Webster
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Feb 18 17:28:09 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 12:28:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A blog post I wrote about SSI and SSDI
Message-ID: <E373B583-E57A-4840-9940-44CA09EF1B54@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I just wanted to share this with you guys. I wrote a blog post about my experience on SSI and SSDI and how its rules altered my decision making process and delayed my graduation. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

http://www.ourcareeraccess.org/index.php/social-security-policies-disabled-disincentive-to-work/

Sent from my iPhone

From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Feb 18 19:23:02 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:23:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
Message-ID: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and 
I hope you can answer.

Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going 
out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so 
I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it 
before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a 
school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love 
that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of 
vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or 
my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as 
a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized 
instructor.
While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the 
confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper 
instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my 
brother).

So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before 
and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, 
and did you learn from your family, friends or a special 
instructor?
Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring 
the use of vision?
 Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able 
to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with 
vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is 
just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I 
slide down).

I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try 
something new with my family eventually.

Thanks,

Sami.


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Feb 18 19:56:36 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:56:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
In-Reply-To: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP18690360659848223FBB067CE2C0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I would so love to discuss this with you but I left to actually talk to live and let you get information that way or off list because I kind of think it might be a little bit off-topic for this group. It is not hard to ski while being blind I want to crested Butte Colorado, and I am able to ski and I learned from an instructor.
Joseph Hudson
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> On Feb 18, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope you can answer.
> 
> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
> 
> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn from your family, friends or a special instructor?
> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use of vision?
> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
> 
> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new with my family eventually.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 19:57:51 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:57:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook
Message-ID: <A72F9FCF-B345-4667-90CF-D6483213C44E@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Is anyone having issues opening Facebook on the iPhone? I open the app and it closes it right away, not sure what's going on

Sent from my iPhone

From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 19:59:35 2015
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:59:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <919C8195C42A45FF84A0574A5B233937@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi Sami,



I go skiing about once a year, and have been doing so since I was little. It's 
quite doable as a blind person. Lets first start off by saying skiing is to 
sledding like a gold fish is to a shark. They both swim in water, but the 
similarities stop there.



In skiing, the slope is significantly larger than the hills you go sledding 
on. You have to take a lift to the top of the hill, navigate to the start of 
the trail, ski down the hill and avoid all the trees and other people. The 
trails are often narrow and windy, and you have to ski in a serpentine line 
to keep from building up uncontrollable speed.



You may be thinking, how a blind person can do this, well, it's simple. Many 
mountains offer an adaptive skiing program. In this program, they will pare 
you with a guide who will be in constant communication with you, and follow 
behind you and tell you when to turn, stop, ETC.



I like the Vermont adaptive program myself, and have gone with this program 
for years. Good luck with this new winter sport.



Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sami Osborne via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:23 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?


> Hi all,
>
> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope 
> you can answer.
>
> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out 
> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking 
> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France, 
> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my 
> mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing 
> requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that 
> neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to 
> teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized 
> instructor.
> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence 
> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my 
> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>
> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how 
> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn 
> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use 
> of vision?
> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled 
> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted 
> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so 
> it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>
> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new 
> with my family eventually.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Feb 18 20:00:38 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 14:00:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook
In-Reply-To: <A72F9FCF-B345-4667-90CF-D6483213C44E@gmail.com>
References: <A72F9FCF-B345-4667-90CF-D6483213C44E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP191E04037584B6FB849914ECE2C0@phx.gbl>

Hi, no problems opening Facebook on the iPhone here have you tried closing out the app, and turning up the phone and restarting it?
Joseph Hudson
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Email
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> On Feb 18, 2015, at 1:57 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Is anyone having issues opening Facebook on the iPhone? I open the app and it closes it right away, not sure what's going on
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Feb 18 20:33:55 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:33:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
In-Reply-To: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
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I skkiied. I was on the us team at the world winter games for the disabled.
Nope you don't need sight to ski.

Lots of legally blind and totally blind people ski. The San Diego Service
Center for the blind had a program for skiing.

Most ski with a guide behind directing them when and which way to turn.

I loved it!

On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope
> you can answer.
>
> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking
> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France,
> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom
> told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a
> fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my
> dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a
> blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence
> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>
> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn
> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use
> of vision?
> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled
> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted
> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's
> relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>
> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new
> with my family eventually.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami.
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 20:38:05 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:38:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
Message-ID: <54e4f864.27876b0a.76e1.278d@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami, I've been skiing every week at my local hill for the 
last fifteen years or so.  It's totally doable as a blind person 
as long as you have a guide, but it's really not otherwise.  The 
problem with having your family teach you isn't the teaching part 
(though many people both blind and sighted do get ski lessons and 
learn that way unless their family is really good at it), but 
that if your parents aren't really good skiers they won't be able 
to take enough attention off their own skiing to guide you.  To 
ski you have to be able to weave around all the other people 
while going fast including when other people randomly fall, cut 
in front of you, etc. not to mention avoiding trees, lift towers, 
snowmobiles, etc.  You can sometimes here the other people moving 
around you well enough to avoid them, but you won't be able to 
hear the person laying on the snow in front of you because they 
fell a while ago, and when it gets windy and you have to put a 
hat over your ears, even hearing the moving people gets pretty 
much impossible.  There are lots of blind ski programs though, so 
I suggest you find one of those.  Sometimes you have to fight 
with them a bit because they often consist of very well meaning 
sighted people who don't really believe that blind people can do 
much of anything, but with a bit of pacience and assertiveness 
you can get them to do things that are helpful while still 
recognizing that you're capable of doing things yourself.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 15:23:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?

Hi all,

So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and
I hope you can answer.

Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going
out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so
I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it
before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a
school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love
that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of
vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or
my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as
a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized
instructor.
While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the
confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper
instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my
brother).

So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before
and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision,
and did you learn from your family, friends or a special
instructor?
Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring
the use of vision?
 Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able
to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with
vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is
just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I
slide down).

I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try
something new with my family eventually.

Thanks,

Sami.

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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 20:42:18 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
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References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
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Hi, I've gone skiing both with my parents and with a specially trained instructor, in Snowmass Colorado with the challenge Aspen ski program.perhaps if your family and my family would like to talk that they put y'all in contact, so that the parents can share ideas or what. Let me know if you would like more information about the challenge Aspen ski program in Snowmass is well.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:23, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope you can answer.
> 
> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
> 
> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn from your family, friends or a special instructor?
> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use of vision?
> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
> 
> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new with my family eventually.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Feb 18 21:59:11 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 21:59:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention - Paid Testing Opportunity Through the LightHouse
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D511B27@email.rrlh-sf.local>

The LightHouse is looking for Bay Area legally blind or low vision testers, whose functional vision is greater than light perception and who are mobile, computer or console gamers. By participating you could earn $200.00 this week or next by testing and giving feedback on new equipment.

If you are interested or would like more information, please contact Beth Berenson at bberenson at lighthouse-sf.org.

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Feb 18 23:50:48 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 17:50:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
Message-ID: <54e5257a.c267440a.230b.ffffbdc1@mx.google.com>

Sami, I love skiing! My family and I have gone for the past eight 
years! My favorite places, adaptive skiing wise, have been Beaver 
Creek and Steamboat Springs Colorado. Like everyone else, I ski 
with a guide giving me verbal directions. However, when I first 
started to ski, I did something a little different. I held on to 
one end of a ten-foot pole, and my guide held on to the other 
end. Of course, this only works on very wide runs, but it's 
useful for people who've never skied before, because it allows 
you to focus solely on the unfamiliar motion rather than 
constantly worrying about running into people. Also, it makes you 
less nervous at the very beginning. Good luck, and I hope you 
enjoy skiing! It's epic!

Sophie

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 13:42:18 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?

Hi, I've gone skiing both with my parents and with a specially 
trained instructor, in Snowmass Colorado with the challenge Aspen 
ski program.perhaps if your family and my family would like to 
talk that they put y'all in contact, so that the parents can 
share ideas or what. Let me know if you would like more 
information about the challenge Aspen ski program in Snowmass is 
well.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:23, Sami Osborne via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 So I have a question about your experiences as blind students 
and I hope you can answer.

 Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going 
out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so 
I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it 
before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a 
school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love 
that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of 
vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or 
my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as 
a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized 
instructor.
 While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the 
confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper 
instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my 
brother).

 So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before 
and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, 
and did you learn from your family, friends or a special 
instructor?
 Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of 
requiring the use of vision?
 Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able 
to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with 
vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is 
just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I 
slide down).

 I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try 
something new with my family eventually.

 Thanks,

 Sami.

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 00:52:47 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 19:52:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A blog post I wrote about SSI and SSDI
Message-ID: <54e533ea.0858e00a.17ff.ffff87d5@mx.google.com>

Hi Derek this was an excellent blog post.  Can you share more of 
your posts with us?


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Feb 18 05:39:47 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 00:39:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
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Hi, Helga,
 I am an english major. Typically the major consists of several literature courses from different time periods and movements. This can include bug is not limited to classical, medieval, and contemporary. You may study writing styles and genres from America, Europe, Africa, Asia, and so on. Most of the time professors go by time period. I will use american literature as an example. You will start learning about colonialism and early settlement before moving on to the witch trials. You keep going until you reach American realism.
I know every english course I have taken has a writing component. If you struggle with MpLA I advice you get some help. I completed my seminar and practicum last semester and research was a huge part of both of those courses. 
If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. 
I love English and look toward to teaching the subject.
Best of luck,
Bridget   

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 17, 27 Heisei, at 10:32 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? The subject says it all. I just wanted to tell you that I'm going to start August in 2015 classes in my University that I transfer to. And I'm actually going to be an English Major this Fall. With what classes should I start taking this Fall,or what classes do you recommend taking this Fall? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to meet with an Advisor perhaps this week and discuss with her and him regarding my classes that i ned to take. And as you all know as well, I want to be a lawyer as well, so i'm probably going to take an internship class. Whave you guys heard of that class before? Hope you guys can help me with these questions, especially the English Majors students! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Thu Feb 19 03:21:20 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Manners, Derek)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:21:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A blog post I wrote about SSI and SSDI
In-Reply-To: <54e533ea.0858e00a.17ff.ffff87d5@mx.google.com>
References: <54e533ea.0858e00a.17ff.ffff87d5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAAP4LJrm3S-dAOo63CosyyP23JcF=ndYvbfOhQbo5VdyL7=_Aw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You!

If and when I write them/am invited to do more, I would be happy to lol.
This was sort of a one shot deal.  They are looking for other folks to
share their stories as well.

Best wishes
Derek Manners

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Derek this was an excellent blog post.  Can you share more of your
> posts with us?
>

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Thu Feb 19 03:30:49 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Manners, Derek)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 22:30:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Scholarships for STEM (Science, Technology,
	Engineering and Math)
Message-ID: <CAAP4LJrMmsQCQ_ThMdh+YP-unVDC6x=BApNyf6xLcwd33rPLUg@mail.gmail.com>

Got this in the inbox today and figured I'd pass it on to you NABSters.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 05:05:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
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Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I skkiied. I was on the us team at the world winter games for the disabled.
> Nope you don't need sight to ski.
> 
> Lots of legally blind and totally blind people ski. The San Diego Service
> Center for the blind had a program for skiing.
> 
> Most ski with a guide behind directing them when and which way to turn.
> 
> I loved it!
> 
> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope
>> you can answer.
>> 
>> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
>> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking
>> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France,
>> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom
>> told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a
>> fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my
>> dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a
>> blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
>> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence
>> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
>> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>> 
>> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
>> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn
>> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
>> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use
>> of vision?
>> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled
>> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted
>> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's
>> relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>> 
>> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new
>> with my family eventually.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sami.
>> 
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From cantdousemyfire at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 14:06:43 2015
From: cantdousemyfire at gmail.com (Nefertiti Matos Olivares)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:06:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A blog post I wrote about SSI and SSDI
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	<CAAP4LJrm3S-dAOo63CosyyP23JcF=ndYvbfOhQbo5VdyL7=_Aw@mail.gmail.com>
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When dealing with SSI/SSDI, the destination may differ, but the
roadblocks along the journey are the same, in my opinion. You
described the struggle perfectly, Derek, and I thank you for giving
such a candid and eloquent voice to it.

Regards,
Nefertiti Matos

On 2/18/15, Manners, Derek via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank You!
>
> If and when I write them/am invited to do more, I would be happy to lol.
> This was sort of a one shot deal.  They are looking for other folks to
> share their stories as well.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Derek this was an excellent blog post.  Can you share more of your
>> posts with us?
>>
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From cantdousemyfire at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 14:20:15 2015
From: cantdousemyfire at gmail.com (Nefertiti Matos Olivares)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:20:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google calendar
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Hello Bre and all:

I use GCal for work. Though there is a slight learning curve and some
limitations, it's definitely usable. Feel free to contact me off-list
with any questions.

Regards,
Nefertiti Matos


On 2/10/15, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone use google calendar?
> If so, does it work with jaws or voice over?
> How do I get it started?
>
> Thanks
> Bre Brown
>
> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Thu Feb 19 15:34:27 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:34:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NASA Summer 2015 Internships for Students with
 Disabilities: Apply Now! Please Distribute Far and Wide!
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If you have graduated or will graduate before Summer 2015 and will not be in school next Fall, you  are not eligible for this program.  If you will be in school next Fall, you should apply for a NASA education internship on the OSSI website, <intern.nasa.gov>.  OSSI is for students who want a paid Summer work experience.


The process for applying is the same whether you have a disability or not.  Attached are a PowerPoint, a recruitment letter for students with disabilities, and a list of frequently asked questions.  This material will help you with the application process.  Please feel free to contact me for help with applying or with any questions after reading these documents.



Ken





Kenneth A. Silberman, Esq.

U.S. Supreme Court, Maryland, & Patent Bars

B.A., M.Eng., J.D.

NASA Engineer & Registered Patent Attorney

Education Office Code 160

NASA/GSFC Mailstop 160

Bldg. 28 Rm. N165

Greenbelt, MD  20771, USA

Voice:  (301) 286-9281

Fax:  (301) 286-1655

E-mail:  kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov<mailto:kenneth.a.silberman at nasa.gov>

Office Location:                 Building 28 Room W151

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 18:40:21 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:40:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
Message-ID: <54e62e23.ca43e00a.1fae.215e@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a 
fifty-eight out of a one hundred.  I studied the material for 
four days last week and I listened to all of the lectures that I 
recorded in class.  Can you give me some tips to improve my study 
skills for the next one? Thank you for all your assistance in 
this matter.


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Feb 19 18:44:23 2015
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:44:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
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How exactly are you studying? Do you take notes in class? Or just record the lecture? Do you pay a tension in class as well as recording the lecture?gif you have text books for your class, are you reading those? I am just asking so that we can better help you with suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a fifty-eight out of a one hundred.  I studied the material for four days last week and I listened to all of the lectures that I recorded in class.  Can you give me some tips to improve my study skills for the next one? Thank you for all your assistance in this matter.
> 
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 19:05:27 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:05:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
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Reading the textbook is a great start. I would try taking notes while reading the textbook. When you go to class take notes on the lecture. Later compare your notes from the book to the lecture. 
How often did you study? Did you review everything one time or multiple times? Perhaps try elaborate rehearsal. Start with a small part of what you need to study and study for a short amount of time 15 to 30 minutes. As you add more content spend less time on the old content. Do this for at least five days and you should know your stuff. Of course when you get really close to the test date review everything.
The next question is how do you study for the test? Notes, flash cards, study groups, nemonic devices etc.
I hope this helps.
Bridget 
 

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> On Feb 19, 27 Heisei, at 1:44 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How exactly are you studying? Do you take notes in class? Or just record the lecture? Do you pay a tension in class as well as recording the lecture?gif you have text books for your class, are you reading those? I am just asking so that we can better help you with suggestions.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 19, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a fifty-eight out of a one hundred.  I studied the material for four days last week and I listened to all of the lectures that I recorded in class.  Can you give me some tips to improve my study skills for the next one? Thank you for all your assistance in this matter.
>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 19:31:39 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:31:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
Message-ID: <54e63a28.8d77e00a.49c3.ffffb01d@mx.google.com>

Hi Bridget thanks for your message.  I studied everything for the 
exam multiple times on separate days last week and into the 
weekend.  After recording the lectures in class I come home and 
take notes on them.


From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Feb 19 19:55:11 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:55:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
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Here are some tips from guaranteed A+
1. bullet point notes from text before it is discussed in class
2. Take notes in class
3. immediately after class rewrite you notes adding any info while it is
fresh
4. Meet with professor weekly even if you don't have questions. You could
just go and and say this is my understanding of today's lecture Do I have a
good grasp of what we discussed this week?and then you know if you did
understand or if the professors corrects you or adds info
5. Plan you study times. Have your week blocked when you are going to be
studying for each class.

What type of class is it? if it is math or another similar type course work
problems at the end of the chapter. Certain subjects you can only learn by
doing lots of problems.

Meet with the professor and ask how they recommend you study for the test

Do not what until right before the test to study. Review note on a regular
basis. I would make flash cards an go through them everyday on my bus rides
to and form school


On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Students,
>
> I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a fifty-eight out
> of a one hundred.  I studied the material for four days last week and I
> listened to all of the lectures that I recorded in class.  Can you give me
> some tips to improve my study skills for the next one? Thank you for all
> your assistance in this matter.
>
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From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 19 19:57:06 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:57:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
Message-ID: <E1YOXES-0006kt-7k@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Helga,

I'm a doctoral candidate in English, as you may remember, and I 
also teach English courses to undergraduate students.  
Unfortunately, though, I don't think anyone unfamiliar with your 
university's requirements and course offerings will be able to 
advise you as to which classes to start with.  Speaking with your 
advisor should be a big help, and you might also speak with other 
English majors at your university who can give you a sense, from 
the student perspective, of which courses are particularly strong 
and which, if any, might be better avoided.  Of course, your own 
interests, goals, and background will play a large role in your 
choice as well.

If you have blindness-specific English-related questions, feel 
free to be in touch with me off-list any time; for more general 
questions, the folks at your university will probably be the best 
resources, and I hope they will be supportive.

Best of luck!

Lucy

----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:32:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?

Hi everyone! How are you all? The subject says it all.  I just 
wanted to tell you that I'm going to start August in 2015 classes 
in my University that I transfer to.  And I'm actually going to 
be an English Major this Fall.  With what classes should I start 
taking this Fall,or what classes do you recommend taking this 
Fall? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to meet with an 
Advisor perhaps this week and discuss with her and him regarding 
my classes that i ned to take.  And as you all know as well, I 
want to be a lawyer as well, so i'm probably going to take an 
internship class.  Whave you guys heard of that class before? 
Hope you guys can help me with these questions, especially the 
English Majors students! Hope to hear from you soon.  Thanks so 
much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
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From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 19 19:57:22 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:57:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
Message-ID: <E1YOXEi-0006kt-KC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Roanna,

When I was taking courses, I found it much more effective to take 
thorough notes in class and then study by re-reading them (as 
well as of course any assigned texts) rather than listening to 
recordings.  While I understand that recording lectures is a 
standard accommodation for blind students, I never did this, as I 
don't believe that these recordings would have been any more 
useful for me than for my sighted classmates and as I felt that 
I'd be best served by using more traditional note-taking and 
study strategies.  This isn't to say that you shouldn't record 
lectures if this is useful to you, but my sense is that the 
active engagement that writing promotes helps most people retain 
information, so if you're not taking notes in addition to 
recording, perhaps consider giving that a try?

Hope this helps, and good luck!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:40:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills

Dear Students,

I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a
fifty-eight out of a one hundred.  I studied the material for
four days last week and I listened to all of the lectures that I
recorded in class.  Can you give me some tips to improve my study
skills for the next one? Thank you for all your assistance in
this matter.

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Feb 19 21:07:02 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:07:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
In-Reply-To: <E1YOXEi-0006kt-KC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1YOXEi-0006kt-KC@elasmtp-kukur.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.200.1772982280.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Or, you could record the lecture then, go home and take 
notes thus, experiencing the material twice?
CarAt 11:57 AM 2/19/2015, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Roanna,
>
>When I was taking courses, I found it much more effective to take 
>thorough notes in class and then study by re-reading them (as well 
>as of course any assigned texts) rather than listening to 
>recordings.  While I understand that recording lectures is a 
>standard accommodation for blind students, I never did this, as I 
>don't believe that these recordings would have been any more useful 
>for me than for my sighted classmates and as I felt that I'd be best 
>served by using more traditional note-taking and study 
>strategies.  This isn't to say that you shouldn't record lectures if 
>this is useful to you, but my sense is that the active engagement 
>that writing promotes helps most people retain information, so if 
>you're not taking notes in addition to recording, perhaps consider 
>giving that a try?
>
>Hope this helps, and good luck!
>
>Lucy
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:40:21 -0500
>Subject: [nabs-l] Need help Improving my Study Skills
>
>Dear Students,
>
>I had an exam on Monday and I did not well on it.  I got a
>fifty-eight out of a one hundred.  I studied the material for
>four days last week and I listened to all of the lectures that I
>recorded in class.  Can you give me some tips to improve my study
>skills for the next one? Thank you for all your assistance in
>this matter.
>
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Feb 19 22:13:21 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 15:13:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
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Hi Helga

Most school have the major map posted on their website which will tell you
the courses you must take and also provide the list of electives you can
chose from. Courses will be differnt at each university.

Suzanne

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Helga,
>
> I'm a doctoral candidate in English, as you may remember, and I also teach
> English courses to undergraduate students.  Unfortunately, though, I don't
> think anyone unfamiliar with your university's requirements and course
> offerings will be able to advise you as to which classes to start with.
> Speaking with your advisor should be a big help, and you might also speak
> with other English majors at your university who can give you a sense, from
> the student perspective, of which courses are particularly strong and
> which, if any, might be better avoided.  Of course, your own interests,
> goals, and background will play a large role in your choice as well.
>
> If you have blindness-specific English-related questions, feel free to be
> in touch with me off-list any time; for more general questions, the folks
> at your university will probably be the best resources, and I hope they
> will be supportive.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lucy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:32:03 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
>
> Hi everyone! How are you all? The subject says it all.  I just wanted to
> tell you that I'm going to start August in 2015 classes in my University
> that I transfer to.  And I'm actually going to be an English Major this
> Fall.  With what classes should I start taking this Fall,or what classes do
> you recommend taking this Fall? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to
> meet with an Advisor perhaps this week and discuss with her and him
> regarding my classes that i ned to take.  And as you all know as well, I
> want to be a lawyer as well, so i'm probably going to take an internship
> class.  Whave you guys heard of that class before? Hope you guys can help
> me with these questions, especially the English Majors students! Hope to
> hear from you soon.  Thanks so much and God bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
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> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 00:39:50 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 19:39:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is any English Major students around here?
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Hi Helga hope things are going well.  When I started college in 
August of 2011 I took English One which dealt with writing 
compositions such as argumentative essays and research papers.  
My essay that I wrote was about the city of Saint Augustine.  I 
would start by taking this course so you have an idea of what you 
are getting into.


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Feb 20 05:38:11 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:38:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
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> On Feb 19, 2015, at 7:05 AM, rhonda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Feb 18, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I skkiied. I was on the us team at the world winter games for the disabled.
>> Nope you don't need sight to ski.
>> 
>> Lots of legally blind and totally blind people ski. The San Diego Service
>> Center for the blind had a program for skiing.
>> 
>> Most ski with a guide behind directing them when and which way to turn.
>> 
>> I loved it!
>> 
>> On Wednesday, February 18, 2015, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope
>>> you can answer.
>>> 
>>> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
>>> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking
>>> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France,
>>> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom
>>> told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a
>>> fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my
>>> dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a
>>> blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
>>> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence
>>> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
>>> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>>> 
>>> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
>>> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn
>>> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
>>> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use
>>> of vision?
>>> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled
>>> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted
>>> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's
>>> relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>>> 
>>> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new
>>> with my family eventually.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Sami.
>>> 
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rhondaprincess%40gmail.comvhi. I also go skiing, and I also have a God. I've done it for several years. It is fun.
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From blindstein at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 05:41:03 2015
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 23:41:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A blog post I wrote about SSI and SSDI
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Thank you Derek.

If anyone else would like to submit a post on their experiences with supplemental security income, feel free to contact me off list.

Regards
Justin



> On Feb 19, 2015, at 8:06 AM, Nefertiti Matos Olivares via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When dealing with SSI/SSDI, the destination may differ, but the
> roadblocks along the journey are the same, in my opinion. You
> described the struggle perfectly, Derek, and I thank you for giving
> such a candid and eloquent voice to it.
> 
> Regards,
> Nefertiti Matos
> 
>> On 2/18/15, Manners, Derek via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank You!
>> 
>> If and when I write them/am invited to do more, I would be happy to lol.
>> This was sort of a one shot deal.  They are looking for other folks to
>> share their stories as well.
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 7:52 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Derek this was an excellent blog post.  Can you share more of your
>>> posts with us?
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:34:48 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:34:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunities for students
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USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) Internships
> USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) has recently announced its summer internships for 2015.  These highly competitive internships are paid opportunities that allow students to gain experience in federal government.  In order to be eligible applicants must be U.S. citizens and currently enrolled (or accepted for enrollment) on at least a half time basis in a certificate program, degree or diploma program at a qualifying educational institution.  Openings are in various fields ranging from microbiology to education, all majors are encouraged to apply! FSIS may also offer to find and pay for summer housing and travel costs if relocation is required.                                                   
> 
> About USDA FSIS: USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service touches the lives of millions of people every day. We are responsible for ensuring that the commercial supply of meat, poultry, and egg products moving in interstate commerce or exported to other countries is safe, wholesome, and correctly labeled and packaged. Our public health goal is to help reduce foodborne illness from the products we regulate. Join us and you too can have the satisfaction of protecting the public.
>  
> Please see the attachment with the listings of available internships
>  
> Google BOLD Discovery
> The Google BOLD Discovery Application is open and accepting applications until Sunday, March 1 at 11:59 PST. The Building Opportunities for Leadership and Development (BOLD) Discovery is a two-day interactive conference at Google New York that provides freshman students who are traditionally underrepresented in technology an introduction to our organizational structure, business operations and culture. The program will take place from June 17-19. Students can learn more about the program and apply here. For questions, please reach out to bolddiscovery at google.com.
>  
> Google BOLD Immersion
> The Google BOLD Immersion Application is open and accepting applications until Sunday, March 1 at 11:59 PST. The Building Opportunities for Leadership & Development (BOLD) Immersion program is a three day program designed to provide exposure into the technology industry for students who are historically under-represented in this field. Students will get a glimpse into the technology world, as well as a chance to take part in real business challenges and hear from speakers who will help them prepare to go through the process to become a Google intern or full time employee. Students can learn more about the program and apply here. For questions, please reach out to boldimmersion at google.com.
>  
> Google AdCamp
> The Google AdCamp Application is open and accepting applications until Sunday, March 1at 11:59 PST. AdCamp is a two-day program taking place in late August and is open to current third-year undergraduates interested in online advertising. The program offers a collaborative curriculum focused on Google's advertising sales and services operations, an overview of Google's ad products and insight into the industry. Students can learn more about the program and apply here. For questions, please reach out to adcamp at google.com
>  
>  
> Emily Hanna
> Programs Manager
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:42:44 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:42:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Procedures for the Nfb training centers
Message-ID: <54e747f2.4a87e00a.60ac.ffffceb3@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I would like to know the procedures for the three nfb training 
centers.  I know there are several of you on this list who went 
to these centers.  Can you please send me the student handbooks 
that you receive when you went there?


From iperrault at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 20 14:48:35 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 09:48:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Procedures for the Nfb training centers
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That's a good point, I would like them as well if possible
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!

> On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:44 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I would like to know the procedures for the three nfb training centers.  I know there are several of you on this list who went to these centers.  Can you please send me the student handbooks that you receive when you went there?
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 15:18:41 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:18:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Procedures for the Nfb training centers
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Though I only went to the summer programs, we never got a student handbook. Furthermore, I haven't heard anything about a handbook for new adult students, though this doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I would check the websites of centers. All of them have very extensive information about their programs and their methods of teaching.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Feb 20, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I would like to know the procedures for the three nfb training centers.  I know there are several of you on this list who went to these centers.  Can you please send me the student handbooks that you receive when you went there?
> 
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From hannahgf88 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 15:28:43 2015
From: hannahgf88 at gmail.com (Hannah)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 10:28:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
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Hi. I just A couple of weeks ago at a place in Michigan called Challenge  Mountain for people with disabilities. They had an instructor for people who are blind to ski with. They use different technique to help you ski. I really enjoyed it.I can tell you more about it if you want.
Thanks, 

Hannah Furney 
National federation of the Blind of Michigan 
At Large Chapter President 

> On Feb 18, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope you can answer.
> 
> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France, and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized instructor.
> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
> 
> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn from your family, friends or a special instructor?
> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use of vision?
> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
> 
> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new with my family eventually.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 20 16:05:07 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 11:05:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Procedures for the Nfb training centers
In-Reply-To: <54e747f2.4a87e00a.60ac.ffffceb3@mx.google.com>
References: <54e747f2.4a87e00a.60ac.ffffceb3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D112C55A0A5474EBA8A70CB78CB14C0@OwnerPC>

Roanna,

I'm not sure a handbook exists. Certainly policies do but may not be so 
formally written in some handbook.
I think you should get such info from the centers.
Try calling them and asking if they have a handbook or if they have policies 
written down.
I know two policies are you have to wear sleepshades if you have any vision 
or light perception and use the long white cane during center hours.
A policy at LCB is if you arrive to class late too many times or skip 
classes, they take out money from  your living allowance.
Unless things changed since I  spoke to graduates,
you do not have a curphew to get back to your apartment.

If anyone does give you the information, it should be done off list.
This list is archived and a handbook might be copyrighted, and even if its 
not,
I don't  think such an attachment should be sent to everyone's inbox because 
some email programs reject attachments of certain sizes.
I hope  you get the info you want somehow.

Ashley 



From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Fri Feb 20 17:21:21 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 17:21:21 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Enchanted Hills Camp for the Blind: Summer 2015 Enrollment
 is Now Open!
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D511F6A@email.rrlh-sf.local>

Do you know anyone who would like to experience the joy, magic and independence of Enchanted Hills Camp for the Blind?  

Enchanted Hills Camp for the Blind in Napa, California is one of the only programs of its kind dedicated to blind, visually impaired, deaf-blind and multi-disabled participants. Since 1950 Enchanted Hills has been a place for campers of all ages to make friends, try new things and have unparalleled opportunities to explore and create. We are proud to announce our sessions for 2015 including our new Horse camp, STEM camp, Music Academy and more! 

To apply or learn more: call (415) 694-7310 or visit www.enchantedhillscamp.org


2015 Sessions

Chemistry Camp: 
May 1 - 3 
15 blind high school students ages 14-18 selected to study organic chemistry. 

Adults with Special Needs: 
July 3 - 8 
Serving developmentally delayed and cognitively impaired campers age 21 and over. 

Family Camp: 
Session I: June 11 - 14
Session 2: July 9 - 12
Session 3: July 29 - August 1 
For families with children 17 and under with visually impaired children or parents. 

Blind Babies Family Camp: 
June 19 - 21 
For families of visually impaired children from birth to age 6. 

Youth Session: 
July 13 - 19 
For youth (3rd - 8th grade) to experience the fun of camp. 

TouchSTEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math):
July 15 - 18 
Science, Technology, Engineering and Math for ages 11 to 15.

Teen Session: 
July 20 - July 26 
For youth (9th - 12th grade) with activities geared towards promoting leadership. 
 
Adult Session: 
June 27 - July 2 
For active, independent adults. Activities include swimming, horseback riding and much more. 

Music Academy: 
August 2 - 8 
For blind and visually impaired musicians ages 14 to 25. 

Horse Camp: 
August 2 - 8 
For independent, visually impaired novice riders 16 to 24 years of age, interested in the best ways to work with horses. 

Deaf-Blind Session: 
August 9 - 13 
For Adults 21 and over with dual sensory loss, with an emphasis on vocational training. 


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 20 23:56:27 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 15:56:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBCSD Presents:National Federation of the Blind
	Scholarship call.
Message-ID: <60003A66-5411-4C3F-8719-7707D0CF46EE@gmail.com>

Hello all,
 
 I just wanted to let you know that the Community Service Division will have a call to talk about  the NFB scholarship program.
 We are please to have 2014 scholarship recipient and National Association of Blind Students board member  Derek Manners on the call to answer all the questions you knew you had and all the questions you wished you had.
 This call will take place on  Sunday, March 1 at 7p.m. eastern time.
 to join the call please dial (712)432-0140 and enter the access code 808277.
 So, keep this date in your calendar, remind yourself and remind your friends! 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Feb 21 01:21:35 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:21:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Opportunities for students
Message-ID: <auto-000016432211@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>From: Emily Hanna [<mailto:ehanna at aapd.com>mailto:ehanna at aapd.com]
>Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 10:16 AM
>To: Emily Hanna
>Subject: Opportunities for students
>
>
>USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service (FSIS) Internships
>
>USDA’s Food Safety and Inspection Service 
>(FSIS) has recently announced its summer 
>internships for 2015.  These highly competitive 
>internships are paid opportunities that allow 
>students to gain experience in federal 
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>accepted for enrollment) on at least a half time 
>basis in a certificate program, degree or 
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>ranging from microbiology to education, all 
>majors are encouraged to apply! FSIS may also 
>offer to find and pay for summer housing and 
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>required.
>About USDA FSIS: USDA’s Food Safety and 
>Inspection Service touches the lives of millions 
>of people every day. We are responsible for 
>ensuring that the commercial supply of meat, 
>poultry, and egg products moving in interstate 
>commerce or exported to other countries is safe, 
>wholesome, and correctly labeled and packaged. 
>Our public health goal is to help reduce 
>foodborne illness from the products we regulate. 
>Join us and you too can have the satisfaction of protecting the public.
>
>Please see the attachment with the listings of available internships
>
>
>Google BOLD Discovery
>
>The Google BOLD Discovery Application is open 
>and accepting applications until Sunday, March 1 
>at 11:59 PST. The Building Opportunities for 
>Leadership and Development (BOLD) Discovery is a 
>two-day interactive conference at Google New 
>York that provides freshman students who are 
>traditionally underrepresented in technology an 
>introduction to our organizational structure, 
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>will take place from June 17-19. Students can 
>learn more about the program and apply 
><http://www.google.com/edu/programs/bold-discovery/>here. 
>For questions, please reach out to 
><mailto:bolddiscovery at google.com>bolddiscovery at google.com.
>
>
>Google BOLD Immersion
>
>The Google BOLD Immersion Application is open 
>and accepting applications until Sunday, March 1 
>at 11:59 PST. The Building Opportunities for 
>Leadership & Development (BOLD) Immersion 
>program is a three day program designed to 
>provide exposure into the technology industry 
>for students who are historically 
>under-represented in this field. Students will 
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>as a chance to take part in real business 
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>them prepare to go through the process to become 
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>can learn more about the program and apply 
><https://www.google.com/edu/programs/bold-immersion/>here. 
>For questions, please reach out to 
><mailto:boldimmersion at google.com>boldimmersion at google.com.
>
>
>Google AdCamp
>The Google AdCamp Application is open and 
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>place in late August and is open to current 
>third-year undergraduates interested in online 
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>curriculum focused on Google's advertising sales 
>and services operations, an overview of Google's 
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>here. For questions, please reach out to 
><mailto:adcamp at google.com>adcamp at google.com
>
>
>Emily Hanna
>Programs Manager
>American Association of People with Disabilities (AAPD)
>2013 H Street NW, 5th Floor
>Washington, DC 20006
>(202) 521-4310
><mailto:ehanna at aapd.com>ehanna at aapd.com
><http://AAPD.com>aapd.com
>
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>is on March 11th in Washington, DC. 
><http://www.aapd.com/take-action/events.html>Get your tickets here!
>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 16:58:36 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:58:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Jail breaking Apple TV
Message-ID: <7BDCBFEC-4845-4E7B-824A-2B6BA4091513@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Has anyone jail broken their Apple TV?

Amanda


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sat Feb 21 17:05:49 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 12:05:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Jail breaking Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <7BDCBFEC-4845-4E7B-824A-2B6BA4091513@gmail.com>
References: <7BDCBFEC-4845-4E7B-824A-2B6BA4091513@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BEA9C5E-7FA5-47A7-B479-E04DEDD5BCF1@me.com>

No, but since the apple tv does not have any apps on it, there would be no sense to do so.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:58, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> Has anyone jail broken their Apple TV?
> 
> Amanda
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 17:53:10 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:53:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Jail breaking Apple TV
In-Reply-To: <1BEA9C5E-7FA5-47A7-B479-E04DEDD5BCF1@me.com>
References: <7BDCBFEC-4845-4E7B-824A-2B6BA4091513@gmail.com>
	<1BEA9C5E-7FA5-47A7-B479-E04DEDD5BCF1@me.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9sBasSGY-G2EpnpiY6_QTu43Zmy=j2Bosr8UDpY=iHnwQ@mail.gmail.com>

My library has an apple tv, and it must have a wifi connection,
because my victor stream picks it up as a connection when I check in
my local library.

On 2/21/15, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> No, but since the apple tv does not have any apps on it, there would be no
> sense to do so.
>
> God bless. :)
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
> Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com
>
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:58, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> Has anyone jail broken their Apple TV?
>>
>> Amanda
>>
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 18:04:22 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 10:04:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Jail breaking Apple TV
Message-ID: <54e8c8ae.013c320a.7c69.ffff8438@mx.google.com>

Jail breaking is not recomended.  Your apple tv may start having 
lots of problems.  Just use it the way it is.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 11:53:10 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Jail breaking Apple TV

My library has an apple tv, and it must have a wifi connection,
because my victor stream picks it up as a connection when I check 
in
my local library.

On 2/21/15, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 No, but since the apple tv does not have any apps on it, there 
would be no
 sense to do so.

 God bless.  :)
 Matthew Dierckens
 Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
 Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
 Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

 On Feb 21, 2015, at 11:58, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 Has anyone jail broken their Apple TV?

 Amanda

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From anjelinac at att.net  Sat Feb 21 18:41:29 2015
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:41:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to turn off track changes
Message-ID: <8F0B90F4-227D-496C-AE3B-C9F98BD28182@att.net>

Good afternoon all,
I am new to using track changes. I recently had a classmate make suggestions using track changes. I have made the needed acceptions and now need to turn off track changes.
How is this done with JAWS 15?
Thanks for any assistance.



-Anjelina
Sent from my iPad

From lily2011a at gmail.com  Sat Feb 21 20:20:45 2015
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 13:20:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
In-Reply-To: <B3557BDE-40D5-4E24-A2BB-A144D370AC55@gmail.com>
References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
	<B3557BDE-40D5-4E24-A2BB-A144D370AC55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OnPfEG-2dj3pS4c9NXiOf4iE=aU=95zptYCLKbzBZYYLv8Rw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi I live in Colorado and I have skied a pretty good amount of times.
You can get lessons at any ski resort. They usually have instructors
that are willing to teach people with all different needs. You just
need to call the ski resort and explain your situation to them.
They should be able to help you find an instructor that could give you lessons.
If you want to here more about my experience. Feel free to email me off list.
Lily

On 2/20/15, Hannah via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi. I just A couple of weeks ago at a place in Michigan called Challenge
> Mountain for people with disabilities. They had an instructor for people who
> are blind to ski with. They use different technique to help you ski. I
> really enjoyed it.I can tell you more about it if you want.
> Thanks,
>
> Hannah Furney
> National federation of the Blind of Michigan
> At Large Chapter President
>
>> On Feb 18, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope
>> you can answer.
>>
>> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
>> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking
>> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France,
>> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my
>> mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing
>> requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that
>> neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to
>> teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized
>> instructor.
>> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence
>> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
>> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>>
>> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
>> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn
>> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
>> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use
>> of vision?
>> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled
>> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted
>> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so
>> it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>>
>> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new
>> with my family eventually.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sami.
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 00:02:41 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:02:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How to turn off track changes
In-Reply-To: <8F0B90F4-227D-496C-AE3B-C9F98BD28182@att.net>
References: <8F0B90F4-227D-496C-AE3B-C9F98BD28182@att.net>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAu_aDrEZ7iKOjZA55tnvOnkqcSC6Fos9hW53gAsi7dsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Anjelina, If you want to stop more changes from being added, press
control-shift-E to turn off track changes. If you need to accept or
reject the changes your classmate made before turning off
track-changes editing, go to the review ribbon, tab over to changes,
arrow down to accept, and click "accept all changes in document".
HTH, Arielle

On 2/21/15, Anjelina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good afternoon all,
> I am new to using track changes. I recently had a classmate make suggestions
> using track changes. I have made the needed acceptions and now need to turn
> off track changes.
> How is this done with JAWS 15?
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
>
>
> -Anjelina
> Sent from my iPad
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 00:49:25 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2015 16:49:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Procedures for the Nfb training centers
In-Reply-To: <8D112C55A0A5474EBA8A70CB78CB14C0@OwnerPC>
References: <54e747f2.4a87e00a.60ac.ffffceb3@mx.google.com>
	<8D112C55A0A5474EBA8A70CB78CB14C0@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDasScE7Hc7f7Xm_1OHJi_iuZpG9Ev5xBsFu2vfwkJcmA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roanna, I attended the LCB adult program. There wasn't a handbook,
but if you have specific questions about certain procedures or what a
typical day is like, I'm sure the graduates from the centers would be
happy to answer them. You can also call the center directors to ask
them individual questions.
Best, Arielle

On 2/20/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Roanna,
>
> I'm not sure a handbook exists. Certainly policies do but may not be so
> formally written in some handbook.
> I think you should get such info from the centers.
> Try calling them and asking if they have a handbook or if they have policies
>
> written down.
> I know two policies are you have to wear sleepshades if you have any vision
>
> or light perception and use the long white cane during center hours.
> A policy at LCB is if you arrive to class late too many times or skip
> classes, they take out money from  your living allowance.
> Unless things changed since I  spoke to graduates,
> you do not have a curphew to get back to your apartment.
>
> If anyone does give you the information, it should be done off list.
> This list is archived and a handbook might be copyrighted, and even if its
> not,
> I don't  think such an attachment should be sent to everyone's inbox because
>
> some email programs reject attachments of certain sizes.
> I hope  you get the info you want somehow.
>
> Ashley
>
>
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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 05:14:54 2015
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 00:14:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
In-Reply-To: <CA+OnPfEG-2dj3pS4c9NXiOf4iE=aU=95zptYCLKbzBZYYLv8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NJZ000PQF773S50@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
	<B3557BDE-40D5-4E24-A2BB-A144D370AC55@gmail.com>
	<CA+OnPfEG-2dj3pS4c9NXiOf4iE=aU=95zptYCLKbzBZYYLv8Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76D3EA8A-C6CE-448C-AEE0-E553E1B33468@gmail.com>

Hey Sami,

I love to downhill ski.

If you contact the ski resort, they can definitely point you in the right direction and help you find an instructor who can help you. I've been skiing since I was nine years old, and have skied in Michigan, Breckenridge Colorado, and am going to Jackson Hole Wyoming (With some pretty intense skiing I hear) for spring break with my ski club. :) I have also skied downhill with my parents guiding me with verbal directions; hopefully, when your parents feel comfortable enough skiing themselves, they can do the same for you too. I am also totally blind, and have been all my life. Good luck, I look forward to hearing about your adventures skiing.

Jordyn
> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi I live in Colorado and I have skied a pretty good amount of times.
> You can get lessons at any ski resort. They usually have instructors
> that are willing to teach people with all different needs. You just
> need to call the ski resort and explain your situation to them.
> They should be able to help you find an instructor that could give you lessons.
> If you want to here more about my experience. Feel free to email me off list.
> Lily
> 
> On 2/20/15, Hannah via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi. I just A couple of weeks ago at a place in Michigan called Challenge
>> Mountain for people with disabilities. They had an instructor for people who
>> are blind to ski with. They use different technique to help you ski. I
>> really enjoyed it.I can tell you more about it if you want.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Hannah Furney
>> National federation of the Blind of Michigan
>> At Large Chapter President
>> 
>>> On Feb 18, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I hope
>>> you can answer.
>>> 
>>> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
>>> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was looking
>>> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in France,
>>> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my
>>> mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing
>>> requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that
>>> neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to
>>> teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a specialized
>>> instructor.
>>> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the confidence
>>> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
>>> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>>> 
>>> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
>>> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you learn
>>> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
>>> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the use
>>> of vision?
>>> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to sled
>>> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or sighted
>>> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so
>>> it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>>> 
>>> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something new
>>> with my family eventually.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Sami.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
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>> 
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From anjelinac at att.net  Sun Feb 22 14:30:33 2015
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:30:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to turn off track changes
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAu_aDrEZ7iKOjZA55tnvOnkqcSC6Fos9hW53gAsi7dsw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you Arielle for your spot on directions. The short cuts are much quicker than using the ribbon.
Thanks


-Anjelina
Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 21, 2015, at 7:02 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anjelina, If you want to stop more changes from being added, press
> control-shift-E to turn off track changes. If you need to accept or
> reject the changes your classmate made before turning off
> track-changes editing, go to the review ribbon, tab over to changes,
> arrow down to accept, and click "accept all changes in document".
> HTH, Arielle
> 
>> On 2/21/15, Anjelina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good afternoon all,
>> I am new to using track changes. I recently had a classmate make suggestions
>> using track changes. I have made the needed acceptions and now need to turn
>> off track changes.
>> How is this done with JAWS 15?
>> Thanks for any assistance.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Anjelina
>> Sent from my iPad
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 16:26:54 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel S.)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
Message-ID: <CAOgWOCeX34ZwMankuUe3-2EfHZ51xfHK9W6WniFGxe0PA=rmzg@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know where I can find national averages on the number of
blind students who graduate from college, or is that sort of thing
impossible because no one counts the statistic? I'm trying to compare
the percentage of students who attend the EYE Retreat and graduate
from college to the those who do not go to the EYE REtreat, the
percentages of each. Anyone able to help with this? It's a potential
statistic for a paper.
Thank you all for reading,
Jewel Shuping


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 17:43:20 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:43:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
Message-ID: <54ea1560.8af8420a.666e.2390@mx.google.com>

I don't know anything about the stats you're requesting, but I am 
curious about what the EYE Retreat is. I've never heard of it, 
and as a soon-to-be blind college student, it sounds interesting.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college

Does anyone know where I can find national averages on the number 
of
blind students who graduate from college, or is that sort of 
thing
impossible because no one counts the statistic? I'm trying to 
compare
the percentage of students who attend the EYE Retreat and 
graduate
from college to the those who do not go to the EYE REtreat, the
percentages of each. Anyone able to help with this? It's a 
potential
statistic for a paper.
Thank you all for reading,
Jewel Shuping

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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 19:27:57 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:27:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
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I've never heard of the eye retreat either.

On 2/22/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't know anything about the stats you're requesting, but I am
> curious about what the EYE Retreat is. I've never heard of it,
> and as a soon-to-be blind college student, it sounds interesting.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jewel S. via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:26:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
>
> Does anyone know where I can find national averages on the number
> of
> blind students who graduate from college, or is that sort of
> thing
> impossible because no one counts the statistic? I'm trying to
> compare
> the percentage of students who attend the EYE Retreat and
> graduate
> from college to the those who do not go to the EYE REtreat, the
> percentages of each. Anyone able to help with this? It's a
> potential
> statistic for a paper.
> Thank you all for reading,
> Jewel Shuping
>
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 20:11:51 2015
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:11:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anybody skied before?
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Hi Jordyn,
I have a question for you about skiing with a club.
How do you ski with the members when you go on trips with your club?
Does a student just volunteer to direct you while you are skiing or do
you use a service called for sight guides?
I've been wanting to join a ski club at my university, but I wasn't
sure how I would be able to ski with them.
Thanks a bunch.
Lily

On 2/21/15, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Sami,
>
> I love to downhill ski.
>
> If you contact the ski resort, they can definitely point you in the right
> direction and help you find an instructor who can help you. I've been skiing
> since I was nine years old, and have skied in Michigan, Breckenridge
> Colorado, and am going to Jackson Hole Wyoming (With some pretty intense
> skiing I hear) for spring break with my ski club. :) I have also skied
> downhill with my parents guiding me with verbal directions; hopefully, when
> your parents feel comfortable enough skiing themselves, they can do the same
> for you too. I am also totally blind, and have been all my life. Good luck,
> I look forward to hearing about your adventures skiing.
>
> Jordyn
>> On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi I live in Colorado and I have skied a pretty good amount of times.
>> You can get lessons at any ski resort. They usually have instructors
>> that are willing to teach people with all different needs. You just
>> need to call the ski resort and explain your situation to them.
>> They should be able to help you find an instructor that could give you
>> lessons.
>> If you want to here more about my experience. Feel free to email me off
>> list.
>> Lily
>>
>> On 2/20/15, Hannah via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi. I just A couple of weeks ago at a place in Michigan called Challenge
>>> Mountain for people with disabilities. They had an instructor for people
>>> who
>>> are blind to ski with. They use different technique to help you ski. I
>>> really enjoyed it.I can tell you more about it if you want.
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Hannah Furney
>>> National federation of the Blind of Michigan
>>> At Large Chapter President
>>>
>>>> On Feb 18, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> So I have a question about your experiences as blind students and I
>>>> hope
>>>> you can answer.
>>>>
>>>> Today, my mom and my younger brother (who is sighted) are going out
>>>> skiing.  We've never actually done it before as a family, so I was
>>>> looking
>>>> forward to trying something new (my mom has done it before back in
>>>> France,
>>>> and my brother did it last month on a school field trip).  But today my
>>>> mom told me that she'd love that I come with them, but that skiing
>>>> requires a fair amount of vision.  She thinks I can learn, but that
>>>> neither she, my dad, or my brother is sufficiently good enough at it to
>>>> teach me how (as a blind person,) and I would therefore need a
>>>> specialized
>>>> instructor.
>>>> While I was of course pretty disappointed, I could also see the
>>>> confidence
>>>> that my mom had that I can ski if I get the proper instruction (both my
>>>> parents have high expectations for me and my brother).
>>>>
>>>> So I'd like to know if any of you guys have gone skiing before and how
>>>> your experiences were.  Did you manage without vision, and did you
>>>> learn
>>>> from your family, friends or a special instructor?
>>>> Also, how different is skiing from sledding in terms of requiring the
>>>> use
>>>> of vision?
>>>> Just to let you know, we go sledding every winter, and I am able to
>>>> sled
>>>> down the hill and walk back up without any problems with vision or
>>>> sighted
>>>> assistance (where we go sledding, the hill is just a straight line, so
>>>> it's relatively easy to walk up once I slide down).
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to hearing about all your experiences and try something
>>>> new
>>>> with my family eventually.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Sami.
>>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 22:02:08 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:02:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
Message-ID: <54ea51f4.07958c0a.796e.ffffaff3@mx.google.com>

You can probably google these statistics.  I did not go to the 
Eye Retreat before beginning my college career.  What is the Eye 
Retreat?


From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Sun Feb 22 22:31:32 2015
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 17:31:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A few questions concerning the Seeing Eye GPS app
Message-ID: <CAGpn82SAffnZXm+2mpaH+biO2NaMxVezGqO8o4+M0uvWOPGUng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS, I just had a few questions concerning the Seeingeye GPS App.
Is it possible to creat a personalized point of interest, or to mark a
specific starting point on a route, and be provided with directions on
how to get back to that specific point? I know that the app doesn’t
allow a user to virtually explore an area before physically goint to
it, but does anyone know of apps or websites that would allow a user
to have the ability to virtually explore an area and know a little bit
about the layout before actually going there?
Thanks, Kayla


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Feb 22 23:02:11 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 18:02:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update
Message-ID: <FADEB4C546F7467EB924F925E03A399E@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Here is an update on the literature text.
As you might recall, I was in the process of requesting my book in electronic format.
I do have learning ally version, but find half the readers to be hard to follow and the quality could be better.
Many of you suggested having the electronic copy so I could read it and navigate it to find quotes, spelling, and read along in class.

I have mostly bad news.
The Norton Anthology of short fiction is huge, and I sure wish it was on bookshare.

The good news is I was able to download dropbox and get the files.
They put the files in a shared folder for me.
They just left the files, no labels on them or anything; so the labels are a string of numbers.

But here is the bad news.
The only solution I can think of is having the dss staff put the files in order and label what pages are for each file.

Well the news in short is that there are so many files and its out of order and worst of all, jaws does not read all page numbers. This makes it impossible to navigate and know where I am. It is not reading all page numbers in the pdf files because some page numbers are at the bottom of a page. I at first thought they were absent, but my dad looked at it, and saw they were labeled but at different points of the page.

I did not put it on a flash drive to read on my braille note, because I cannot navigate it. if a professor says, turn to page 12, I have literally seconds to do that, and would have no clue which file to use.

Several issues with this arrangement.
1. With over 30 files, I have no idea which one to open to read a given story.
I have the title, author and page numbers for my assignments, but that does not help. I cannot search this many files, and I do not think there is a way to search all files in a folder at once. I can only search one by one wich is counterproductive.
If you know of a way to search across files, let me know. They are all in my folder and I will copy them to  a USB drive and place them in a folder called norton text. But, I don’t think the pc can see all files to search them.
2. You all mentioned copying and pasting for quotes and highlights of the text.
This does not work. I highlight the text with regular key commands like shift down arrow to highlight a line, and then copy and paste.
It only copies a word or two; jaws tells me the whole line is selected.

3.  I cannot search by page. This is since each file starts at page 1 in the computer’s eyes; like it may be 1-20 or 1-45 depending on the size of the file. Yes, different files have different page amounts ranging from 8 to about 50.
But page 1 is not page 1. It is continuing the book. so page 1 is really page 222 or something like that. I hope this makes since. I may be on say page 80 of the text but when you look at the go to page number command, it tells you,  you are at page 5 for instance.
4. Some stories begin at the end of a page. I cannot skim it. I cannot tell where one story ends, and the next begins.

I think this arrangement of so many files with only labels of numbers is useless.
Each file begins with the name 27313 followed by a dash with more letters.

This is not working for me.
I plan to ask the dss counselor for help such as labeling the files with page numbers or putting them in order at the very least.

I’ve never! encountered such a problem. If I used publisher files, which is rare, I see them in a handful of files and they are in order.
More often, my university converted them to word, so I did not deal with such issues. But the community college where I’m taking the elective did nothing to make this user friendly.

Just thought I’d explain my situation.

Any advice?

If I did not have the learning ally book which I is not always helpful, I’d drop the class.
I’m not being accomodated properly. Yet, I’ll do what I can to do the readinv with the audio book and finding stories online. I am enjoying the class overall and like exploring the themes of the stories despite not being accomodated. I have no book to look at in class. so I have to ask a classmate to read passages quietly to me when he says to look at a certain passage.
They do that to help me out. I contribute to discussions always and hope they are good ideas. I’m sure I’m getting my participation points. But, I’d sure feel more equal if I had the book with me.

Thanks for reading this somewhat  of a rant.

Ashley

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 23 02:51:54 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 21:51:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update
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Hello Ashley,

I am sorry to hear you are having trouble accessing the contents of the electronic files of the textbook your college sent you. The Norton anthologies are generally large collections of literature.

I do not know if all Norton anthologies are set up the same, but the one I used had the name of the author followed by some information about the author before the piece of literature written by the author. However, the next author did not appear at the top of the next page, but rather placed on the page wherever the last selection ended. Perhaps your anthology may be set up the same way.

Do the letters that appear after the dashes in the file titles match up with any of the names of the authors? I would probably check this first before contacting the disabilities office to find out what type of system they used for labeling the files. Although, since you may not be reading every selection from the anthology, I would compare it to your reading list.

If you are using a computer running Windows 7 on it, you could probably use the search box that appears in the start menu to search for your reading assignments. I would try typing the name of the author in the search box. It will search your entire computer to find a match to your entry. I know you could search different drives when searching in Windows XP, but I do not have any experience doing this in Windows 7. Perhaps you could try typing the letter of the drive followed by a colon and a slash before your search entry to see if this would search a different drive other than the hard drive of your computer.

As far as working with PDF files goes, I really do not like working with them all that much. Usually I will convert the PDF file into a text file to make it easier to use. You can do this by selecting the save as text in the file menu.

As far as following along with the text in class goes, I was never really good at doing this using a Victor Stream. This is what I used because it was the only piece of technology I had to use at the time. I found trying to look up various passages from the text to be rather distracting in terms of being able to follow along with the class discussion.

I would usually read the piece of literature a day or two before we discussed it in class. I felt like I was able to remember enough of what I read to be able to take part in the class discussions. When taking notes, I would jot down the page number along with a few words from the passage so I could find it later after class. My professor would always read selected passages aloud to the entire class, and although this is not the same as being able to refer to my own copy, I felt as though this worked well for me.

Finally, if you are really having trouble with the electronic files of your anthology textbook, I would encourage you to look up the individual pieces of literature on Bookshare and BARD. I found this to be rather useful when I was not able to get one of my anthology textbooks at the beginning of one of my classes. Perhaps it might not be possible to find all of the selections you will be reading this way, but you should be able to find most of them.

Anyway, I hope some of this helps you.  I am sure that with a bit of hard work that you will be successful in passing this class.

Best of luck,
Elizabeth


 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Andrew Tompkins
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update

Hi all,

Here is an update on the literature text.
As you might recall, I was in the process of requesting my book in electronic format.
I do have learning ally version, but find half the readers to be hard to follow and the quality could be better.
Many of you suggested having the electronic copy so I could read it and navigate it to find quotes, spelling, and read along in class.

I have mostly bad news.
The Norton Anthology of short fiction is huge, and I sure wish it was on bookshare.

The good news is I was able to download dropbox and get the files.
They put the files in a shared folder for me.
They just left the files, no labels on them or anything; so the labels are a string of numbers.

But here is the bad news.
The only solution I can think of is having the dss staff put the files in order and label what pages are for each file.

Well the news in short is that there are so many files and its out of order and worst of all, jaws does not read all page numbers. This makes it impossible to navigate and know where I am. It is not reading all page numbers in the pdf files because some page numbers are at the bottom of a page. I at first thought they were absent, but my dad looked at it, and saw they were labeled but at different points of the page.

I did not put it on a flash drive to read on my braille note, because I cannot navigate it. if a professor says, turn to page 12, I have literally seconds to do that, and would have no clue which file to use.

Several issues with this arrangement.
1. With over 30 files, I have no idea which one to open to read a given story.
I have the title, author and page numbers for my assignments, but that does not help. I cannot search this many files, and I do not think there is a way to search all files in a folder at once. I can only search one by one wich is counterproductive.
If you know of a way to search across files, let me know. They are all in my folder and I will copy them to  a USB drive and place them in a folder called norton text. But, I don’t think the pc can see all files to search them.
2. You all mentioned copying and pasting for quotes and highlights of the text.
This does not work. I highlight the text with regular key commands like shift down arrow to highlight a line, and then copy and paste.
It only copies a word or two; jaws tells me the whole line is selected.

3.  I cannot search by page. This is since each file starts at page 1 in the computer’s eyes; like it may be 1-20 or 1-45 depending on the size of the file. Yes, different files have different page amounts ranging from 8 to about 50.
But page 1 is not page 1. It is continuing the book. so page 1 is really page 222 or something like that. I hope this makes since. I may be on say page 80 of the text but when you look at the go to page number command, it tells you,  you are at page 5 for instance.
4. Some stories begin at the end of a page. I cannot skim it. I cannot tell where one story ends, and the next begins.

I think this arrangement of so many files with only labels of numbers is useless.
Each file begins with the name 27313 followed by a dash with more letters.

This is not working for me.
I plan to ask the dss counselor for help such as labeling the files with page numbers or putting them in order at the very least.

I’ve never! encountered such a problem. If I used publisher files, which is rare, I see them in a handful of files and they are in order.
More often, my university converted them to word, so I did not deal with such issues. But the community college where I’m taking the elective did nothing to make this user friendly.

Just thought I’d explain my situation.

Any advice?

If I did not have the learning ally book which I is not always helpful, I’d drop the class.
I’m not being accomodated properly. Yet, I’ll do what I can to do the readinv with the audio book and finding stories online. I am enjoying the class overall and like exploring the themes of the stories despite not being accomodated. I have no book to look at in class. so I have to ask a classmate to read passages quietly to me when he says to look at a certain passage.
They do that to help me out. I contribute to discussions always and hope they are good ideas. I’m sure I’m getting my participation points. But, I’d sure feel more equal if I had the book with me.

Thanks for reading this somewhat  of a rant.

Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 23 05:25:12 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 00:25:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS804F77B74E73CC453CCF13BA290@phx.gbl>
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Hi Elizabeth,

What you described is the way the norton anthology is set up.
The beginning of the story is about the author. The next story segment is 
placed on the page whereever  the last story ended.
The files are long strings of random letters it seems like. I will try 
searching on the start menu to see if this helps.

I feel this huge batch of files is useless if I cannot find what I need 
since I cannot  see the page numbers for all them.

As for searching bookshare, I've done that a bit, and did not find what I 
needed.
If I need or want a text file, its easier to just get it on the internet. I 
cannot see all stories that way, but many of them are; just newer stories 
which are not freely online due to copyright issues.

Back when I had my vr stream only for books, like you, I could not use it in 
class. It just proved too slow. by the time it was powered on, and I got 
into the book,  the class was moving on. It was more distracting to read it 
in class.
Like you, I just read carefully, took notes, and brought notes with me in 
order to refer to them for discussions. I still do this a lot, even with 
text files, but I guess I just would rather read it with the class.
Without the book, its going to be troublesome to do MLA citations.
A problem is I need page numbers and quotes and spellings for my essays.
Without a text version with page numbers, I think I'll have to use a reader 
to read the story including page numbers.
At this point, that's the only way I see.

Fortunately, slightly over half the stories are readable via the audio book.
Tuesday's short stories are read clear enough via the audio format to use 
it. So, I'll use that and figure out what to do with the rest.

The stories may be online too.
We have to read the stories The Lottery and Owl at the Creek now.

We also had to read A young lady in Paris and The yellow wallpaper. These 
stories were not read well in audio form; the man was monotone and cleared 
his throat a lot; I'll see if those are online, or if anyone has them, you 
can send off list if you want.

Thanks for your suggestions.

Ashley 



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 07:51:24 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 02:51:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update
Message-ID: <54eadc3d.c286440a.51aa.ffffc9e0@mx.google.com>



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 23 07:51:27 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 02:51:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind students in college
Message-ID: <54eadc40.c286440a.51aa.ffffc9e2@mx.google.com>



From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 23 16:05:56 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:05:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] my literature text update
Message-ID: <E1YPvX5-000060-5S@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi=20Ashley,

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word=20search=20
and=20perhaps=20find=20passages=20more=20quickly?

Hope=20this=20helps=20and=20good=20luck?

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=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2022=20Feb=202015=2018:02:11=20-0500
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=20my=20book=20
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ers=20to=20be=20
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ould=20read=20
it=20and=20navigate=20it=20to=20find=20quotes,=20spelling,=20and=20read=20a=
long=20in=20
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re=20wish=20it=20
was=20on=20bookshare.

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et=20the=20
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They=20just=20left=20the=20files,=20no=20labels=20on=20them=20or=20anything=
;=20so=20the=20
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=20saw=20they=20
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Feb 23 20:08:10 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:08:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: please disseminate
Message-ID: <auto-000016342461@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Tonight, Jennifer Dunnam, a member of The national Federation of the 
>Blind and the new Chair of The Braille Authority of North America 
>will Be speaking before our worldwide Tek Talk audience on the 
>topic: The Transition to Unified English Braille in The United States.
>All are welcome. Go to: 
><http://www.accessibleworld.org>www.accessibleworld.org and enter on 
>the Pat Price Conference Room. If this is your first time tab down 
>to download and enter. Then download, run and install our simple 
>software. You will then be prompted to enter the room.
>You will need a microphone, a sound card and some speakers along 
>with your computer. You can also text chat with us.
>You are all welcome.
>
>Robert Acosta, Chair
>Accessible WorldTonight, Jennifer Dunnam of the National Federation 
>of the Blind and currently the new Chair of the Braille Authority of 
>north America will
>
>Robert Acosta, President
>Helping Hands for the Blind
>(818) 998-0044
>www.helpinghands4theblind.org
>

From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 01:42:40 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:42:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Policy Talk Around the Hill - Winter 2015
Message-ID: <002701d04fd3$2db5b040$892110c0$@gmail.com>

Hi, I had the privilege of interviewing Rose Sloan recently regarding the
organization's legislative priorities for 2015. If you weren't at Washington
Seminar and want a brief recap of the issues, you can catch our latest
SeroTalk episode at:

http://serotalk.com/2015/02/23/serotalk-extra-policy-talk-around-the-hill-wi
nter-2015/

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe




From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 02:23:15 2015
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:23:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Policy Talk Around the Hill - Winter 2015
In-Reply-To: <002701d04fd3$2db5b040$892110c0$@gmail.com>
References: <002701d04fd3$2db5b040$892110c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADit0-vVLCeLApDMFt+hmPG9aNpFEdYZKAM506sBpGJn=nmdHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
This link seems to be broken.
Thanks.


On 2/23/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, I had the privilege of interviewing Rose Sloan recently regarding the
> organization's legislative priorities for 2015. If you weren't at
> Washington
> Seminar and want a brief recap of the issues, you can catch our latest
> SeroTalk episode at:
>
> http://serotalk.com/2015/02/23/serotalk-extra-policy-talk-around-the-hill-wi
> nter-2015/
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
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>


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 02:47:46 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:47:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Policy Talk Around the Hill - Winter 2015
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-vVLCeLApDMFt+hmPG9aNpFEdYZKAM506sBpGJn=nmdHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002701d04fd3$2db5b040$892110c0$@gmail.com>
	<CADit0-vVLCeLApDMFt+hmPG9aNpFEdYZKAM506sBpGJn=nmdHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d04fdc$45b3e000$d11ba000$@gmail.com>

The shame of it! OK, go to the link below. It's currently the first item on
the list:

http://serotalk.com/

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

-----Original Message-----
From: Mary Fernandez [mailto:trillian551 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:23 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Policy Talk Around the Hill - Winter 2015

Hello,
This link seems to be broken.
Thanks.


On 2/23/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, I had the privilege of interviewing Rose Sloan recently regarding 
> the organization's legislative priorities for 2015. If you weren't at 
> Washington Seminar and want a brief recap of the issues, you can catch 
> our latest SeroTalk episode at:
>
> http://serotalk.com/2015/02/23/serotalk-extra-policy-talk-around-the-h
> ill-wi
> nter-2015/
>
> Best,
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> l.com
>


--
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
--
Maya Angelou



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 04:08:22 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 20:08:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for marine biology or oceanography majors
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBPwVVwxhtsOPr7eCGaNSuWDnGnyFFFz1i-1saZtrckLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
My friend is interested in talking with blind students who are
studying or have studied marine biology or oceanography. If you have
relevant experience or know someone who does, could you email me
off-list at arielle71 at gmail.com? Thanks!
Arielle


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Wed Feb 25 04:34:24 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 23:34:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover questions
Message-ID: <B15D6DE1-64CE-4F05-9C26-8617944636FA@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have two quick questions regarding a MacBook using Voiceover.  Firstly, I keep having a problem when I accidentally bump the trackpad while typing.  For some reason, it shuts off the keyboard and I am unable to input anything until I restart the computer.  Does anyone know why this might be and how to fix it?  Secondly, is there any way to get Voiceover on the mac to speak words written in a different script in the appropriate language as it does on the iPhone?  When I read Hebrew or Greek, for example, I have to switch the voices, which is normally fine while reading lengthy text, but if I have a contacts name written in Hebrew, I would rather it pronounced the name of the person in Hebrew as it does on the phone instead of reading me the individual Hebrew letters or Greek letters in English.  Anyone know how to make it do this?  In JAWS, there was a feature where you could change the pronunciation of certain words to their original language through the pronunciation dictionary, but I cannot see a way to do this in the Voiceover pronunciation dictionary.  Any thoughts?  Thanks all.


Ryan L. Silveira
חיים אהרן בן אברהם


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Wed Feb 25 09:52:21 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 04:52:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Voiceover questions
In-Reply-To: <B15D6DE1-64CE-4F05-9C26-8617944636FA@gmail.com>
References: <B15D6DE1-64CE-4F05-9C26-8617944636FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <21D0E828-D2A1-4F40-AA54-674094AAF38C@me.com>

Hello Ryan,
To answer your first question, update to the newest update to Yosemite. They have fixed this. to answer your second question, no, there is no language detection. You will have to switch to the different voices.


Matt Dierckens
Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 24, 2015, at 23:34, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have two quick questions regarding a MacBook using Voiceover.  Firstly, I keep having a problem when I accidentally bump the trackpad while typing.  For some reason, it shuts off the keyboard and I am unable to input anything until I restart the computer.  Does anyone know why this might be and how to fix it?  Secondly, is there any way to get Voiceover on the mac to speak words written in a different script in the appropriate language as it does on the iPhone?  When I read Hebrew or Greek, for example, I have to switch the voices, which is normally fine while reading lengthy text, but if I have a contacts name written in Hebrew, I would rather it pronounced the name of the person in Hebrew as it does on the phone instead of reading me the individual Hebrew letters or Greek letters in English.  Anyone know how to make it do this?  In JAWS, there was a feature where you could change the pronunciation of certain words to their original language through the pronunciation dictionary, but I cannot see a way to do this in the Voiceover pronunciation dictionary.  Any thoughts?  Thanks all.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
> חיים אהרן בן אברהם
> 
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Feb 25 16:35:27 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 16:35:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] LightHouse for the Blind - Job Opening
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D5121DA@email.rrlh-sf.local>

The LightHouse for the Blind in San Francisco is looking for a full-time Communications and Events Manager. Please read on for details.

POSITION: Communications and Events Manager
REPORTS TO: Director of Development
STATUS: Non-exempt
WC CLASS: Clerical

JOB PURPOSE:
Founded in San Francisco in 1902, the LightHouse's purpose is to promote the independence, equality and self-reliance of people who are blind or visually impaired. The LightHouse is currently in a period of growth, increasing our capacity to serve more low-vision and blind clients. We seek a dynamic professional to help us grow our individual and institutional support.

This is a full-time (100% FTE) position, with primary duties in the following areas:  Outreach to secure new support and cultivate donors through social media and other electronic communications; press releases and production, to improve LightHouse media exposure and advocacy to further the rights of blind and low-vision people; and event coordination, both for Lighthouse fundraising and cultivation events, and also assisting LightHouse supporters in implementing events to benefit the LightHouse. This position also performs other development duties as requested.


QUALIFICATIONS: 
Education:  Bachelor or graduate degree preferred.

Experience:  Three years of experience in non-profit fundraising, event coordination, and/or public relations. Familiarity with blindness and/or broader disability issues is a plus.

Skills:  Superior written communication. Excellent organizational skills with capability to prioritize and meet multiple deadlines with minimal oversight.  Proficiency with Microsoft Office suite, Facebook and Twitter. Experience with WordPress preferred.

Other:  Dedication to learning the latest trends and practices in the blindness field, including attention to the broad array of blindness groups, and the history of the blindness and disability movement. Personal initiative; curiosity about people, a sense of humor and a strong team-oriented style. Enthusiasm for LightHouse services and the transformative effect we have on the lives of individuals who are blind or have low vision.


PHYSICAL DEMANDS:
Able to sit at a desk and perform computer-intensive work for long periods of time; operate standard office equipment; move 10lbs independently.

ACCOUNTABILITIES:
.Curate daily content on social media channels and LightHouse blog to keep them fresh, inviting, interactive and informative.
.Produce a media plan to increase LightHouse media exposure. 
.Create compelling press releases and do targeted distributions. 
.Plan and implement online appeals, listserv postings, crowd-funding campaigns and other online outreach and fundraising.
.Coordinate all details of special events, including design of electronic and print invitations; volunteer management; securing sponsorships and event logistics. 
.Develop and manage revenue and expense budgets for events.
.Organize and oversee event timelines, vendors, and venues.
.Occasional weekend and evening assignments.
.Other Duties:  Please note this job description is not designed to cover or contain a comprehensive listing of activities, duties or responsibilities that are required of the employee for this job. Duties, responsibilities and activities may change at any time with or without notice.

WORKING CONDITIONS:
Equal opportunity to all regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political affiliation, age, or sexual orientation. We have an "employment at will" policy.

TO APPLY:
Please submit your cover letter and / or résumé as Word attachments (no .PDF please), to hr at lighthouse-sf.org; include the job title in the subject line. We will not consider videos or hyperlinks to online profiles at this time. Due to time constraints we may not be able to respond to everyone who expresses interest; thank you.


From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Feb 26 10:12:18 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:12:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: O&M Instructor Job Announcement
Message-ID: <auto-000016937932@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Hello,
>
>Society for the Blind, located in Sacramento California, has been 
>providing individuals living with blindness or low vision training, 
>tools, and mentorship to achieve empowerment and independence for 
>over sixty years.  Our organization is currently seeking 
>experienced, qualified candidates for an open Orientation & Mobility 
>Instructor position.  A description of the job is provided 
>below.  This position is full-time (40 hours per week), and it 
>includes a competitive compensation and benefits 
>package.  Interested applicants may email cover letters and resumes 
>to Shane Snyder, Director of Programs, at 
><mailto:ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org>ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org. 
>The position will remain open until filled.  No phone calls, 
>please.  Thank you for your interest!
>
>Job Title:                                             Orientation & 
>Mobility Instructor
>Classification:                   Non-Exempt/Full-Time
>Reports to:                                         Director of Programs
>
>General Description: The essential function of the job is to teach 
>students how to travel safely, efficiently, and independently in 
>their homes, workplaces, community, and beyond.
>
>Duties:
>Instruction:
>    * Instruct students in the proper use of the long, white cane 
> and other mobility aids to travel safely, efficiently, and independently.
>    * Introduce students to and teach them in the use of non-visual 
> methods and strategies for orientation and mobility.
>    * Using the Structure Discovery Method, Provide real world 
> opportunities to practice and reinforce non-visual skills and 
> techniques for safe, efficient, and independent travel.
>    * Instruct students in how to safely, locate, detect, and 
> negotiate stairways including ascending/descending, fall 
> prevention/recovery, and checking for hazards.
>    * Conduct training in non-visual techniques for safely crossing 
> both controlled and uncontrolled intersections including strategies 
> for negotiating high traffic roadways.
>    * Teach students how to safely and effectively utilize public 
> transportation, including:  route and trip planning; locating 
> transit stops and transportation hubs; and boarding/exiting busses, 
> trains, airplanes and other vehicles. Instruct students in how to 
> safely and effectively negotiate escalators, elevators, revolving 
> doors, and other challenges encountered when traveling.
>    * Teach students how to locate, use, and navigate safely and 
> efficiently busy public facilities such as shopping malls, 
> stadiums, airports, hospitals, college campuses, etc.
>    * Create tactile and auditory maps and instruct students in 
> their proper use.
>    * Evaluate students' functional, physical and mental 
> capabilities, as related to mobility and orientation.
>    * Determine individual students' need for physical conditioning.
>    * Stay current in areas of responsibility.
>    * Address and conduct workshops for interested groups as requested.
>
>Documentation
>1.       Maintain thorough, complete and timely ongoing weekly and 
>monthly record    keeping of client services; including, but not 
>limited to case notes, lesson notes, evaluations, progress reports, 
>and correspondence.
>2.       Documents immediately and thoroughly any student falls or 
>other accidents that occur during training.
>
>Team Building and Networking
>    * Present client issues to supervisor and contribute to ongoing 
> problem solving of such issues while maintaining appropriate confidentiality.
>    * Consult with other professionals, family members or other 
> appropriate parties regarding the progress and problems of the students.
>    * Participate in individual case conferences and confer 
> regularly with program staff on multi-disciplinary service team 
> concerning client's program and adjustment to blindness or vision loss.
>    * Maintain positive and professional relations with counselors 
> of Department of Rehabilitation and other agencies as well as 
> Society students, staff, and volunteers.
>    * Coordinate effective client service with third-party 
> counselors, such as Department of Rehabilitation.
>
>Other Duties:
>    * Attend all staff and department meetings
>    * Adhere to all Society policies and procedures
>    * Obtain training to enhance job requirements
>    * Other duties as required
>
>Qualifications:
>    * A minimum of two years working experience.
>    * Master's Degree in Orientation & Mobility or related field.
>    * COMS or NOMC certification in O&M instruction.
>    * Ability to stand and walk for at least seven hours per day
>    * Sufficient stamina to walk distances of up to two miles at a time
>    * Ability to safely descend stairs backward and ahead of 
> students to lend any necessary support and to help prevent falls.
>    * Sufficient strength to support the weight of adult students in 
> case of stumbling or falling.
>    * Proficiency in English grammar, usage, and mechanics
>    * Excellent verbal, written, and interpersonal communication skills.
>    * Strong computer skills, including proficiency in MS Office - 
> Word, Excel, Outlook & Internet Explorer.
>
>
>
>
>Shane Snyder
>Director of Programs
>Society for the Blind
>1238 S Street
>Sacramento, CA 95811
>Direct Line: (916) 889-7588
>SFTB Main Phone: (916) 452-8271
>Fax: (916) 492-283
>Email: <mailto:ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org>ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org
>Website: societyfortheblind.org
>
>Our mission is to empower individuals who are blind or have low 
>vision to live productively and independently by building confidence 
>through training, tools, and mentorship.
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 16:22:04 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 11:22:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My first day of volunteering
Message-ID: <54ef4845.43968c0a.514f.4a4c@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Yesterday was the fin day of what will be probably be my future 
job after graduation.  I am a vorlunteer at the Center for 
Distributed Learning at UCF.  It is located in the UCF library.  
This is the department that ensures the accessibility of online 
courses before they are published each semester.  I will post 
weekly updates about my experiences on Mondays and Wednesdays 
during my time there.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Feb 26 22:49:11 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:49:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello all:
I have a sense that this is probably a silly question, but I recently had a professor mention that I ought to have this rectified. Can someone give me a walk through on how to put up page numbers and or headers on a paper, which is being written?
Thanks!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun


From jty727 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 00:55:35 2015
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:55:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s4XWG=W1fh4Lw7oBnrXSPpLssk3JuF=57pcRgybYoBKNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello:

In Microsoft word using JAWS, you hit alt to get to the menu bar.
Once at the menu bar go to insert and select this by arrowing down
then you tab several times until you get to Heading, Footer, and then
Numbering.  Hit on Page Numbering and then a few options will appear.
The first 2 are top of page and bottom of page (forget exactly what
they call these options) click on which one either top of the page or
bottom of the page.  Then 3 options will appear.  The first is having
the page numbers to the left of the page, the second is the middle and
the third is the right side.

Unsure if that helps, but good luck.

Justin

On 2/26/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all:
> I have a sense that this is probably a silly question, but I recently had a
> professor mention that I ought to have this rectified. Can someone give me a
> walk through on how to put up page numbers and or headers on a paper, which
> is being written?
> Thanks!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Fri Feb 27 01:19:42 2015
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:19:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutors or Mentors for Using Office 2010 with JAWS
Message-ID: <000001d0522b$77af4170$670dc450$@miusa.org>

Hello,

 

I've been in touch with an international student who is currently studying
at a small school in Utah. This student is struggling with learning how to
use Office 2010 applications with JAWS (not sure which version of JAWS he
uses). His school has limited experience working with students who are blind
or low vision, and little familiarity with related assistive technology, so
they don't really know how to help him. 

 

Are there any savvy students here who would be willing to give him some
basic guidance about certain questions he has over Skype or the phone? Let
me know and I will share his contact information with you. Also, I've found
a couple of free webinars that provide an introduction to Office 2010 with
JAWS, but if you know of any other resources that would I can share with
him, we'd both appreciate it! Thank you!

 

Sincerely,

 

Ashley Holben

MIUSA

aholben at miusa.org <mailto:aholben at miusa.org> 

541-343-1284

 

 


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 04:56:12 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:56:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<CA+3U9s4XWG=W1fh4Lw7oBnrXSPpLssk3JuF=57pcRgybYoBKNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98A5E3B26D7145A59FC22703923D45F6@Gloria>

Hi,
Along these same lines. For my classes I have to write using APA style. If 
you are familure with this style you have your cover page and in the upper 
left corner you have, "running head:," and you put the title of your paper, 
but my professor wants the title of our papers to be on every page on the 
upper left along with page numbers on the upper right side of the page. Is 
there a way to have one header on the cover page and a different header on 
the pages following? Hope this makes since and thanks for any suggestions.
Gloria
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Young via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Michael D Ausbun" <mausbun at unr.edu>; "National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013


> Hello:
>
> In Microsoft word using JAWS, you hit alt to get to the menu bar.
> Once at the menu bar go to insert and select this by arrowing down
> then you tab several times until you get to Heading, Footer, and then
> Numbering.  Hit on Page Numbering and then a few options will appear.
> The first 2 are top of page and bottom of page (forget exactly what
> they call these options) click on which one either top of the page or
> bottom of the page.  Then 3 options will appear.  The first is having
> the page numbers to the left of the page, the second is the middle and
> the third is the right side.
>
> Unsure if that helps, but good luck.
>
> Justin
>
> On 2/26/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I have a sense that this is probably a silly question, but I recently had 
>> a
>> professor mention that I ought to have this rectified. Can someone give 
>> me a
>> walk through on how to put up page numbers and or headers on a paper, 
>> which
>> is being written?
>> Thanks!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 05:10:33 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 00:10:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
In-Reply-To: <98A5E3B26D7145A59FC22703923D45F6@Gloria>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>	<CA+3U9s4XWG=W1fh4Lw7oBnrXSPpLssk3JuF=57pcRgybYoBKNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98A5E3B26D7145A59FC22703923D45F6@Gloria>
Message-ID: <009901d0524b$b71d9b20$2558d160$@gmail.com>

alt n h gets you to header.  alt n o gets you to footers.  hit enter after
either command sequence to use the blank header and footer unless you know
which one of the built in ones you would like to use.  For page numbers, do
alt j, then tab over to page numbers.  It should give you choice of
location.  hit enter, then hit escape to get out of the header/footter.  If
you want to go through it together on the the phone, then we can do so.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:56 PM
To: Justin Young; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013

Hi,
Along these same lines. For my classes I have to write using APA style. If
you are familure with this style you have your cover page and in the upper
left corner you have, "running head:," and you put the title of your paper,
but my professor wants the title of our papers to be on every page on the
upper left along with page numbers on the upper right side of the page. Is
there a way to have one header on the cover page and a different header on
the pages following? Hope this makes since and thanks for any suggestions.
Gloria
----- Original Message -----
From: "Justin Young via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Michael D Ausbun" <mausbun at unr.edu>; "National Association of Blind
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013


> Hello:
>
> In Microsoft word using JAWS, you hit alt to get to the menu bar.
> Once at the menu bar go to insert and select this by arrowing down 
> then you tab several times until you get to Heading, Footer, and then 
> Numbering.  Hit on Page Numbering and then a few options will appear.
> The first 2 are top of page and bottom of page (forget exactly what 
> they call these options) click on which one either top of the page or 
> bottom of the page.  Then 3 options will appear.  The first is having 
> the page numbers to the left of the page, the second is the middle and 
> the third is the right side.
>
> Unsure if that helps, but good luck.
>
> Justin
>
> On 2/26/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I have a sense that this is probably a silly question, but I recently 
>> had a professor mention that I ought to have this rectified. Can 
>> someone give me a walk through on how to put up page numbers and or 
>> headers on a paper, which is being written?
>> Thanks!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.co
>> m
>>
>
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From jty727 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 15:15:22 2015
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:15:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
In-Reply-To: <009901d0524b$b71d9b20$2558d160$@gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0120A618@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<CA+3U9s4XWG=W1fh4Lw7oBnrXSPpLssk3JuF=57pcRgybYoBKNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98A5E3B26D7145A59FC22703923D45F6@Gloria>
	<009901d0524b$b71d9b20$2558d160$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s7310+=KsszqjaJ9tKC6rZ-T8juO9fJsm34orRAs3j1Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure which version of Microsoft Word you are using, but in
2010 you can hit alt v then h which will take you to the header/footer
pane.  Once in this view then hit alt again which will bring up the
design menu bar.  Tab down until you get page numbering and then
select top of page and I believe the third option will be the one
which puts the number at the upper right hand corner of the page.
Once you have incerted your page numbering place the curser directly
in front of the page number and enter your title.  Tab a few times and
the numbering should be all set.  Now for the first page being
different like a cover page, you still go into the design menu, but
you tab down until you find "different first page" which is a check
box.  Check it and then you'll have to enter the heading information
you wish for this page.  When I tried this part once I had to manually
put in the page number for the cover page which when I did the same
thing described to format it correctly it worked.

When you do it for a first time I would suggest to ask a sighted
person to look it over to see if you've done it correct.  That's what
I did and it helped.

Hope this helps all interested.

Justin Young

On 2/27/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> alt n h gets you to header.  alt n o gets you to footers.  hit enter after
> either command sequence to use the blank header and footer unless you know
> which one of the built in ones you would like to use.  For page numbers, do
> alt j, then tab over to page numbers.  It should give you choice of
> location.  hit enter, then hit escape to get out of the header/footter.  If
> you want to go through it together on the the phone, then we can do so.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria G via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:56 PM
> To: Justin Young; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
>
> Hi,
> Along these same lines. For my classes I have to write using APA style. If
> you are familure with this style you have your cover page and in the upper
> left corner you have, "running head:," and you put the title of your paper,
> but my professor wants the title of our papers to be on every page on the
> upper left along with page numbers on the upper right side of the page. Is
> there a way to have one header on the cover page and a different header on
> the pages following? Hope this makes since and thanks for any suggestions.
> Gloria
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin Young via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Michael D Ausbun" <mausbun at unr.edu>; "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Page Numbering in MS word 2013
>
>
>> Hello:
>>
>> In Microsoft word using JAWS, you hit alt to get to the menu bar.
>> Once at the menu bar go to insert and select this by arrowing down
>> then you tab several times until you get to Heading, Footer, and then
>> Numbering.  Hit on Page Numbering and then a few options will appear.
>> The first 2 are top of page and bottom of page (forget exactly what
>> they call these options) click on which one either top of the page or
>> bottom of the page.  Then 3 options will appear.  The first is having
>> the page numbers to the left of the page, the second is the middle and
>> the third is the right side.
>>
>> Unsure if that helps, but good luck.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On 2/26/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello all:
>>> I have a sense that this is probably a silly question, but I recently
>>> had a professor mention that I ought to have this rectified. Can
>>> someone give me a walk through on how to put up page numbers and or
>>> headers on a paper, which is being written?
>>> Thanks!
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.co
>>> m
>>>
>>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 18:12:07 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:12:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Message-ID: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? I'm just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to cover it part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any accessible copy of it with me. Actually, my DSS office provides me with the Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now they told me that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not working at all!, and I actually need to read this story this weekend. Just to let you know, i don't have even an audio format of the Literature textbook. Actually, my dss office gave me a PDF format of the textbook, but the file is to big that my computer does not work with it at all!  I actually like to read the foodnotes of in the Literature story because they help a lot with the reading, but I don't have that. Do you have any PDF format or Microsoft Word format of the story that I can use in order to read the story. Because if I don't read the story, i'm goign to be on the clouds on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what he is talking about. I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this please. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 18:20:18 2015
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:20:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
In-Reply-To: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
References: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25FDFF4F-9FCA-4E59-B4EC-5043CAF3B14C@gmail.com>

Hello. This book is available on bard. 

Hope Paulos

> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? I'm just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to cover it part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any accessible copy of it with me. Actually, my DSS office provides me with the Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now they told me that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not working at all!, and I actually need to read this story this weekend. Just to let you know, i don't have even an audio format of the Literature textbook. Actually, my dss office gave me a PDF format of the textbook, but the file is to big that my computer does not work with it at all!  I actually like to read the foodnotes of in the Literature story because they help a lot with the reading, but I don't have that. Do you have any PDF format or Microsoft Word format of the story that I can use in order to read the story. Because if I don't read the story, i'm goign to be on the clouds on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what he is talking about. I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this please. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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> 
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 18:22:06 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:22:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Fabs] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
In-Reply-To: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
References: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D57B2725-5466-4525-8EF4-1F4A88A72726@gmail.com>

It is on bookshare 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Helga Schreiber via Fabs <fabs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? I'm just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to cover it part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any accessible copy of it with me. Actually, my DSS office provides me with the Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now they told me that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not working at all!, and I actually need to read this story this weekend. Just to let you know, i don't have even an audio format of the Literature textbook. Actually, my dss office gave me a PDF format of the textbook, but the file is to big that my computer does not work with it at all!  I actually like to read the foodnotes of in the Literature story because they help a lot with the reading, but I don't have that. Do you have any PDF format or Microsoft Word format of the story that I can use in order to read the story. Because if I don't read the story, i'm goign to be on the clouds on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what he is talking about. I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this please. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 27 18:23:44 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 10:23:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
Message-ID: <E1YRPZo-00066F-4k@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Helga,

If you have Bookshare, you can download it from there.

Hope this helps!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:12:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of 
you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? 
I'm just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to 
cover it part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any 
accessible copy of it with me.  Actually, my DSS office provides 
me with the Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now 
they told me that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not 
working at all!, and I actually need to read this story this 
weekend.  Just to let you know, i don't have even an audio format 
of the Literature textbook.  Actually, my dss office gave me a 
PDF format of the textbook, but the file is to big that my 
computer does not work with it at all!  I actually like to read 
the foodnotes of in the Literature story because they help a lot 
with the reading, but I don't have that.  Do you have any PDF 
format or Microsoft Word format of the story that I can use in 
order to read the story.  Because if I don't read the story, i'm 
goign to be on the clouds on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what 
he is talking about.  I will really appreciate it a lot if you 
can help me with this please.  Hope to hear from you soon.  
Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Feb 27 18:35:45 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 13:35:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
In-Reply-To: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
References: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00486BD1-377F-46F5-84A3-88B392E26538@aol.com>

Hi Helga,
You have some options. As others have said you can get the book from bookshare or Bard. You can get the book from Ibooks. 
I have a link to a free online version below. If you have a braille display you can read it on your computer with Jaws as well. 
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/219/219-h/219-h.htm
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 27, 27 Heisei, at 1:12 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? I'm just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to cover it part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any accessible copy of it with me. Actually, my DSS office provides me with the Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now they told me that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not working at all!, and I actually need to read this story this weekend. Just to let you know, i don't have even an audio format of the Literature textbook. Actually, my dss office gave me a PDF format of the textbook, but the file is to big that my computer does not work with it at all!  I actually like to read the foodnotes of in the Literature story because they help a lot with the reading, but I don't have that. Do you have any PDF format or Microsoft Word format of the story that I can use in order to read the story. Because if I don't re
> ad the story, i'm goign to be on the clouds on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what he is talking about. I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this please. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 00:43:16 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Deleting an App from my IPad
Message-ID: <54f10f3e.b35f8c0a.68fb.5e60@mx.google.com>

Can anyone tell me how to delete apps on my IPad? I have a few of 
them that I want to get rid of.


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 00:45:46 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 16:45:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Deleting an App from my IPad
Message-ID: <54f10fcd.b442320a.1a3a.612c@mx.google.com>

I think you hold the icon until it asks if you want to delete it.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 19:43:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Deleting an App from my IPad

Can anyone tell me how to delete apps on my IPad? I have a few of
them that I want to get rid of.

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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 00:50:56 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 18:50:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Deleting an App from my IPad
In-Reply-To: <54f10f3e.b35f8c0a.68fb.5e60@mx.google.com>
References: <54f10f3e.b35f8c0a.68fb.5e60@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CD5B1392-E14F-4C37-A846-AE4EF3C81F09@gmail.com>

You put your finger on the app that you want to delete you tap twice hold it until it says ready to move and then you left out Twice again and it will bring up a menu and ask you if you want to delete an app



> On Feb 27, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to delete apps on my IPad? I have a few of them that I want to get rid of.
> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sat Feb 28 03:09:05 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2015 22:09:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad
In-Reply-To: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
References: <570A74D6-B670-44D4-90C2-374A5AFDAA2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54F13151.4050901@tysdomain.com>

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I seen a couple other messages, but I didn't manage to read through
them and wanted to get this to you real quick.
It's not word format, but it's easy to read.
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/526/pg526-images.html
On 2/27/2015 1:12 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of
> you read the story "Heart of Darkness" by joseph Conrad before? I'm
> just wondering since my Literature Professor is going to cover it
> part of it This Tuesday in class, and Idon't have any accessible
> copy of it with me. Actually, my DSS office provides me with the
> Braille version of the Literature stories,  but now they told me
> that the Braille Printer is shut down and is not working at all!,
> and I actually need to read this story this weekend. Just to let
> you know, i don't have even an audio format of the Literature
> textbook. Actually, my dss office gave me a PDF format of the
> textbook, but the file is to big that my computer does not work
> with it at all!  I actually like to read the foodnotes of in the
> Literature story because they help a lot with the reading, but I
> don't have that. Do you have any PDF format or Microsoft Word
> format of the story that I can use in order to read the story.
> Because if I don't read the s tory, i'm goign to be on the clouds
> on Tuesday! LOL! I will not know what he is talking about. I will
> really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this please.
> Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota
> chapter. Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
> Association of Blind Students. Member of the International
> Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company
> 4Life Research. Phone:  (561) 706-5950 Email:
> helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website:
> http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website:
> http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
> John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 
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Take care,
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