[nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Karl Martin Adam kmaent1 at gmail.com
Tue Feb 3 16:46:02 UTC 2015 

True,=20though=20to=20be=20honest=20bookshare=20while=20it=20is=20an=20amaz=
ing=20
service=20often=20has=20smashed=20words=20as=20well=20not=20to=20mention=20=
the=20
chronic=20lack=20of=20page=20numbers.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20justin=20williams=20<justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,=20"National=20
Association=20ofBlind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=203=20Feb=202015=2016:22:56=20+0000
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=09I=20have=20not=20ever=20given=20due=20credit=20to=20my=20university,=20i=
t=20seems,=20
for=20being=20one=20of=20the=20most=20accessible=20universities=20I=20have=
=20
heard=20of,=20thus=20far.=20They=20have=20a=20team=20of=20processors=20who=
=20use=20a=20
combination=20of=20ABBY,=20adobe=20pro=20and=20a=20spell=20checker=20for=20=
all=20
students=20requiring=20alternative=20media.
=09Anyways,=20Karl=A1=AFs=20suggestions=20seem=20to=20be=20extremely=20good=
.=20
This=20is=20why=20I=20always=20try=20to=20get=20my=20books=20through=20Book=
share,=20
just=20in=20case,=20if=20the=20school=20decides=20that=20reasonable=20
accommodation=20does=20not=20include=20awesome=20copies=20of=20text=20
material.=20It=20sounds=20to=20me,=20anyways,=20that=20your=20University=20=
is=20
simply=20following=20the=20law=20to=20the=20letter.=20ADA=20specifies=20
reasonable=20accommodation=A8Cunder=20the=20common=20interpretation,=20
reasonable=20is=20simple=20access.=20It=20may=20not=20be=20good=20access,=20=
but=20
if=20you=20have=20some,=20then=20you=20are=20good=20to=20go.=20Of=20course,=
=20we=20
recognize=20that=20some=20access=20is=20not=20adequate;=20however,=20it=20
seems=20that=20there=20is=20nothing=20else=20that=20you=20might=20be=20able=
=20to=20
do,=20other=20than=20to=20run=20the=20files=20through=20either=20Robobraill=
e,=20
or=20request=20from=20Bookshare=20(which,=20at=20this=20point=20in=20the=20=

semester,=20will=20take=20about=202-3=20months=20before=20they=20add=20it=20=
to=20
the=20collection).
IMO,=20PDF=20TXT,=20DOC=20DOCX=20and=20HTML=20are=20better=20than=20RTF;=20=
but=20I'm=20sure=20
that=20is=20a=20preference=20thing.
________________________________________
From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20justin=20=

williams=20via=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=206:27=20AM
To:=20'Aleeha=20Dudley';=20'National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=
=20
mailing=20list'
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Agreed;=20Under=20the=20ADA,=20the=20college=20is=20obligated=20to=20make=20=
your=20
books=20accessible.

-----Original=20Message-----
From:=20nabs-l=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20
Aleeha=20Dudley=20via=20nabs-l
Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=209:19=20AM
To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student=
s=20
mailing=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

They=20need=20to=20provide=20this=20as=20a=20service.=20It=20is=20part=20of=
=20their=20
obligation=20under=20the=20ADA=20to=20provide=20you=20with=20useable,=20rem=
ediated=20
text.
Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas=20Vice=20President,=20O=
hio=20
Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Associa=
tion=20
of=20Blind=20Students=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Fe=
deration=20
of=20the=20Blind=20of=20Ohio
Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com=20
<mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindness=20=
is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=A1=B0The=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=20=
horse=A1=AFs=20
ears.=A1=B1=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=209:31=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20n=
abs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20You're=20right=20of=20course=20that=20they=20should=20convert=20the=20fi=
le=20for=20
you,=20but=20the=20thing=20is,=20even=20if=20they=20do,=20that=20won't=20so=
lve=20your=20
problem.
=20The=20OCR=20software=20Adobe=20or=20Kursweil=20or=20whatever=20uses=20to=
=20convert=20a=20
PDF=20to=20text=20has=20the=20same=20problems=20trying=20to=20figure=20out=
=20what=20
letters=20are=20in=20the=20picture=20(which=20is=20what=20a=20PDF=20is)=20a=
s=20the=20OCR=20
jaws=20uses,=20so=20you'll=20have=20the=20same=20problems=20with=20words=20=
stuck=20
together=20or=20letters=20being=20incorrect=20even=20if=20they=20convert=20=
it=20for=20
you.=20=20Occasionally=20one=20OCR=20will=20be=20better=20than=20another=20=
for=20a=20
specific=20text,=20but=20there=20isn't=20really=20one=20that=20works=20part=
icularly=20
well=20over=20all.=20=20The=20only=20way=20to=20get=20something=20that's=20=
nice=20and=20
polished=20is=20to=20have=20someone=20sit=20and=20proofread=20after=20conve=
rting,=20
which=20is=20extremely=20time=20consuming=20and=20tedious=20to=20do.=20=20S=
chools=20
should=20probably=20provide=20that=20as=20a=20service,=20but=20almost=20non=
e=20of=20
them=20do=20unfortunately.
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-=
0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Aleeha!

=20you=20get=20it.
=20The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.
=20They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=20=
to=20convert=20
the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
=20They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

=20You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20forma=
t.=20But=20who=20
determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
=20Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

=20Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
=20The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=20=
was=20pdf=20
files
=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20to=20=
her,=20so=20
there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
=20I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20pub=
lisher=20pdf=20
files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=20it=20=
speaks.

=20Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=20p=
df=20files=20fine=20
when
=20she=20does=20not=20use=20jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=
=20to=20find=20
out?=20No!

=20If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I=A1=AFll=20call=20a=20meeting=20=
and=20show=20them.

=20Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20norton=
=20anthologies.
=20I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20need=20=
a=20text=20file;=20
I=20need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=
=20file=20to=20
follow=20along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

=20If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=20i=
t=A1=AFs=20a=20
struggle.=20I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20=
its=20easy=20to=20
miss=20stuff.=20Also,=20I=A1=AFm=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=20a=
nd=20places=20
right=20not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20=
could=20spell=20
them=20with=20jaws.


=20Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20try=
=20the=20pdf=20
file=20once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=
=20the=20pc=20to=20
try=20to=20read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.


=20Ashley
=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing
=20list
=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Here=A1=AFs=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20you=20=
with=20an=20
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as=20
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are=20
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.=20
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well=20
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for=20
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been=20
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and=20
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can=
=A1=AFt=20be=20
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas=20Vice=20President,=
=20Ohio
=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Asso=
ciation=20
of
=20Blind=20Students=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Fede=
ration=20
of=20the
=20Blind=20of=20Ohio
=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindnes=
s=20is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=20=A1=B0The=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=20a=
=20horse=A1=AFs=20
ears.=A1=B1=20-
=20Arabian=20proverb

=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20n=
abs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20to=
=20your=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-=
0500
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=20=
file=20only.
=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=20=
denied=20my=20
request
=20to=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20oth=
er=20colleges=20
do=20that.
=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=20=
elective
=20thankfully=20so=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=
=20I=20cannot=20
go
=20find=20them,=20its=20not=20such=20a=20big=20deal.

=20Lucy,
=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20no=
t=20have=20a=20=20brf=20
file
=20and=20never=20will.
=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20sev=
enth=20
edition.

=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=20u=
se.

=20Thanks.

=20Ashley

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Stud=
ents=20
mailing
=20list
=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-level=20=
English
=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=20f=
ew=20of=20your
=20questions.

=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=20a=
=20format=20you=20
can
=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=20allow=
=20you=20to=20
access
=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20easier=20to=20=
integrate=20
quotes
=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=20paste=20them=20into=20=
your=20
analysis.
=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20are=20available=20via=20Booksha=
re.=20=20If=20
the
=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=20free=20to=20contact=20me=20direct=
ly,=20as=20I
=20frequently=20teach=20from=20various=20Norton=20anthologies=20and=20may=20=
be=20able=20
to
=20point=20you=20toward=20an=20accessible=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assi=
gned=20for=20
your
=20class.

=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20to=
=20be=20sent=20to=20
you
=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommodations=20=
to=20
request
=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20inconvenienc=
e=20to=20
myself.
=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-taker,=20you=20shouldn't=
=20need=20the
=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20class,=20so=20the=20professor=
=20shouldn't=20
need
=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=20of=20lesson=20planning=20substa=
ntially.

=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20audi=
o=20format,=20
so=20I
=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=20but=20ple=
ase=20don't
=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=20anything=
=20else.

=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20Lucy

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20Hi=20all,

=20I?=C1=AA=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20=
back,=20I=20tried=20
taking
=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20not=20inter=
ested=20in
=20accomodating=20me.
=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20wou=
ld=20not=20be=20
able=20to
=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20among=20other=20is=
sues.

=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20nice=
=20and=20
willing
=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20class=20is=20very=
=20auditory=20with=20
lots
=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20groups=20and=20sometimes=20a=
s=20a=20
whole
=20class.

=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=20a=
m=20looking=20for=20
it=20in
=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20get=20it=20from=
=20the=20
publisher.=20=20I
=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20unfriendly=20though=20as=
=20its=20
pdf.
=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20and=20words=20are=20bro=
ken=20up=20
with
=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them
=20_______________________________________________
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