[nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Wed Feb 4 01:55:06 UTC 2015

I=20appreciate=20that=20your=20very=20excited=20about=20promoting=20the=20K=
NFB=20
reader,=20but=20it=20isn't=20designed=20for=20scanning=20books--there's=20l=
ots=20of=20
software=20that=20does=20that.=20=20Also,=20it=20will=20produce=20something=
=20with=20
about=20the=20same=20quality=20as=20the=20PDF=20that=20Ashley=20is=20compla=
ining=20
about.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Helga=20Schreiber=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,National=20
Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=203=20Feb=202015=2019:53:44=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20Ashley=20and=20all!I=20think=20I=20find=20a=20way=20in=20how=20to=20so=
lve=20Ashley's=20
problem=20regarding=20her=20textbook!=20Ashley,=20have=20you=20considering=
=20in=20
purchasing=20the=20KNFB=20Reader=20app=20for=20your=20iPhone=20in=20order=20=
to=20take=20a=20
picture=20of=20the=20reading=20that=20you=20need=20to=20read=20and=20save=20=
it=20in=20a=20
word=20format,=20and=20then=20send=20it=20to=20yoru=20email=20so=20that=20y=
ou=20can=20read=20
it=20with=20your=20BrailleNote=20in=20class?=20I'm=20just=20wondering!=20I=
=20would=20
like=20to=20hear=20your=20opinion=20regarding=20this=20guys.=20=20What=20do=
=20you=20all=20
think=20about=20this=20idea?=20In=20fact,=20Ashley,=20the=20app=20only=20co=
sts=2050=20
dollars,=20and=20i=20think=20it=20is=20worth=20it!=20to=20buy!=20Hope=20to=
=20hear=20form=20
you=20soon.=20Thanks=20so=20much=20and=20God=20bless!

Helga=20Schreiber

Fundraiser=20Coordinator=20for=20Phi=20Theta=20Kappa,=20Alpha=20Delta=20Iot=
a=20
chapter.
Member=20of=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20and=20Florida=20
Association=20of=20Blind=20Students.
Member=20of=20the=20International=20Networkers=20Team=20(INT).
Independent=20Entrepreneur=20of=20the=20Company=204Life=20Research.
Phone:=20=20(561)=20706-5950
Email:=20helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype:=20helga.schreiber26
4Life=20Website:=20http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT=20Website:=20http://int4life.com/

"For=20God=20so=20loved=20the=20world=20that=20he=20gave=20his=20one=20and=
=20only=20Son,=20
that=20whoever=20believes=20in=20him=20shall=20not=20perish=20but=20have=20=
eternal=20
life."=20John=203:16
Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Feb=203,=202015,=20at=207:20=20PM,=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs=
-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi,

=20Well,=20Alleha=20and=20many=20of=20you=20state=20they=20are=20required=20=
to=20provide=20
accessible=20texts.
=20Which=20laws=20is=20that=20under?=20If=20ADA,=20which=20part,=20like=20w=
hich=20title?

=20And=20their=20excuse=20is=20they=20cannot=20convert=20files=20due=20to=20=
security.
=20I=E2=80=99m=20wondering=20what=20arguments=20I=20can=20make=20to=20comba=
t=20such=20
nonsense.

=20Meanwhile,=20I=E2=80=99ll=20just=20listen=20closely=20in=20class=20and=20=
participate=20
in=20discussions=20best=20I=20can.
=20Most=20of=20it=20is=20our=20opinions=20and=20open=20ended=20questions=20=
without=20
seeing=20the=20text=20anyway.
=20I=20enjoy=20discussions=20and=20hearing=20others=E2=80=99=20opinions.
=20In=20the=20absence=20of=20a=20book=20like=20everyone=20else=20has,=20I=20=
will=20have=20to=20
ask=20someone=20to=20read=20me=20the=20quotes.
=20I=20will=20also=20ask=20my=20professor=20to=20read=20sample=20student=20=
work=20with=20
punctuation.
=20He=20puts=20that=20up=20on=20the=20overhead=20or=20board=20for=20us=20to=
=20critique=20it.=20
Although=20he=20read=20it=20aloud=20last=20time,=20he=20did=20not=20read=20=
punctuation,=20
so=20I=20felt=20left=20out.
=20Everyone=20else=20commented=20on=20punctuation,=20and=20I=20could=20not=
=20do=20that.

=20Glad=20for=20all=20the=20suggestions.

=20Ashley
=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20February=2003,=202015=209:19=20AM
=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing=20list
=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20They=20need=20to=20provide=20this=20as=20a=20service.=20It=20is=20part=20=
of=20their=20
obligation=20under=20the=20ADA=20to=20provide=20you=20with=20useable,=20rem=
ediated=20
text.

=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20=
Blind=20of=20
Ohio
=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindnes=
s=20is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=20=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=
=20a=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=209:31=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=
=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20You're=20right=20of=20course=20that=20they=20should=20convert=20the=20=
file=20for=20
you,=20but=20the=20thing=20is,=20even=20if=20they=20do,=20that=20won't=20so=
lve=20your=20
problem.
=20=20The=20OCR=20software=20Adobe=20or=20Kursweil=20or=20whatever=20uses=20=
to=20convert=20
a=20PDF=20to=20text=20has=20the=20same=20problems=20trying=20to=20figure=20=
out=20what=20
letters=20are=20in=20the=20picture=20(which=20is=20what=20a=20PDF=20is)=20a=
s=20the=20OCR=20
jaws=20uses,=20so=20you'll=20have=20the=20same=20problems=20with=20words=20=
stuck=20
together=20or=20letters=20being=20incorrect=20even=20if=20they=20convert=20=
it=20for=20
you.=20=20Occasionally=20one=20OCR=20will=20be=20better=20than=20another=20=
for=20a=20
specific=20text,=20but=20there=20isn't=20really=20one=20that=20works=20part=
icularly=20
well=20over=20all.=20=20The=20only=20way=20to=20get=20something=20that's=20=
nice=20and=20
polished=20is=20to=20have=20someone=20sit=20and=20proofread=20after=20conve=
rting,=20
which=20is=20extremely=20time=20consuming=20and=20tedious=20to=20do.=20=20S=
chools=20
should=20probably=20provide=20that=20as=20a=20service,=20but=20almost=20non=
e=20of=20
them=20do=20unfortunately.
=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2021:19:34=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Aleeha!

=20=20you=20get=20it.
=20=20The=20school,=20Nova,=20simply=20pushes=20me=20and=20others=20around.=

=20=20They=20have=20the=20conversion=20software=20to=20honor=20my=20request=
=20to=20
convert=20the=20publisher=20file=20to=20a=20text=20format=20like=20RTF.
=20=20They=20simply=20will=20not=20do=20it=20on=20basis=20of=20security.

=20=20You=20are=20right=20they=20have=20to=20provide=20an=20accessible=20fo=
rmat.=20But=20
who=20determines=20what=20is=20accessible?
=20=20Who=20determines=20what=20is=20a=20suitable=20accomodation?

=20=20Well,=20they=20have=20one=20way,=20and=20I=20like=20another.
=20=20The=20lady=20coordinating=20alternate=20texts=20told=20me=20that=20it=
=20was=20pdf=20
files=20period;=20pdf=20files=20were=20readable=20with=20jaws,=20acording=20=
to=20her,
=20=20so=20there=20was=20no=20need=20to=20convert=20anyway.
=20=20I=20wrote=20back=20explaining=20that=20jaws=20cannot=20read=20many=20=
publisher=20
pdf=20files=20well;=20that=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20together=20as=
=20it=20
speaks.

=20=20Who=20is=20this=20woman=20to=20tell=20me=20that=20jaws=20reads=20all=
=20pdf=20files=20fine=20
when=20she=20does=20not=20use
=20=20jaws=20herself?=20Has=20she=20tested=20it=20yet=20to=20find=20out?=20=
No!

=20=20If=20the=20file=20fails=20to=20read,=20I=E2=80=99ll=20call=20a=20meet=
ing=20and=20show=20them.

=20=20Oh,=20yes,=20I=20tried=20Bard.=20They=20do=20not=20carry=20any=20nort=
on=20
anthologies.
=20=20I=20have=20learning=20ally,=20but=20as=20I=20said=20before,=20I=20nee=
d=20a=20text=20file;=20
I=20need=20to=20find=20quotes=20for=20journals.=20I=20need=20to=20have=20a=
=20file=20to=20
follow=20along=20in=20class=20like=20everyone=20else.

=20=20If=20I=20have=20to=20do=20an=20audio=20book,=20it=20will=20be.=20but=
=20it=E2=80=99s=20a=20
struggle.=20I=20have=20to=20pause=20it=20to=20copy=20down=20quotes=20and=20=
its=20easy=20to=20
miss=20stuff.=20Also,=20I=E2=80=99m=20finding=20I=20cannot=20spell=20names=
=20and=20places=20
right=20not=20seeing=20the=20text.=20if=20I=20had=20a=20text=20file,=20I=20=
could=20spell=20
them=20with=20jaws.

=20=20Anyway,=20thanks=20for=20your=20ideas.=20As=20I=20said,=20I=20will=20=
try=20the=20pdf=20
file=20once=20they=20give=20it=20to=20me=20and=20hook=20my=20notetaker=20to=
=20the=20pc=20to=20
try=20to=20read=20it=20with=20jaws=20and=20the=20braille=20display.

=20=20Ashley
=20=20From:=20Aleeha=20Dudley
=20=20Sent:=20Monday,=20February=2002,=202015=207:46=20PM
=20=20To:=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=
=20Students=20
mailing=20list
=20=20Cc:=20Ashley=20Bramlett
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Here=E2=80=99s=20the=20thing.=20The=20college=20has=20to=20provide=20=
you=20with=20an=20
accessible=20version=20of=20the=20file=20that=20will=20work=20for=20you,=20=
as=20long=20as=20
doing=20so=20is=20not=20an=20undue=20burden=20on=20the=20university.=20Ther=
e=20are=20
plenty=20of=20ways=20they=20could=20make=20this=20file=20useable=20for=20yo=
u.=20
Granted,=20some=20of=20the=20styles=20the=20author=20uses=20may=20not=20com=
e=20out=20well=20
with=20JAWS,=20but=20have=20you=20tried=20BARD=20or=20Learning=20Ally?=20So=
rry=20for=20
jumping=20in=20late=20on=20this=20thing=20and=20sorry=20if=20these=20things=
=20have=20been=20
asked=20before,=20but=20it=20annoys=20me=20to=20no=20end=20when=20universit=
ies=20and=20
colleges=20push=20students=20around=20and=20claim=20that=20something=20can=
=E2=80=99t=20be=20
done=20when=20it=20could=20very=20easily.

=20=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
=20=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
=20=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20th=
e=20Blind=20of=20
Ohio
=20=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blind=
ness=20is=20
not=20the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20E=
very=20day=20
we=20raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20
expectations=20create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20=

dreams.=20You=20can=20live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20no=
t=20what=20
holds=20you=20back.
=20=20=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20betwe=
en=20a=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20=20On=20Feb=202,=202015,=20at=206:17=20PM,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=
=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20=20If=20you=20have=20a=20Braille=20display=20you=20can=20connect=20it=20=
to=20your=20
computer,=20and=20it=20should=20display=20anything=20your=20computer=20can=
=20read.=20=20
It=20doesn't=20have=20to=20be=20a=20BRF=20file.=20=20Similarly,=20you=20can=
=20connect=20
your=20notetaker=20to=20the=20computer=20and=20use=20it=20as=20a=20braille=
=20display=20or=20
read=20files=20on=20it=20directly.=20=20Many=20schools=20don't=20have=20con=
version=20
software=20to=20make=20the=20PDF=20into=20something=20else,=20and=20anyway,=
=20
converting=20it=20won't=20make=20the=20words=20unsmoosh.=20=20If=20it's=20r=
eally=20a=20
big=20deal=20for=20you,=20try=20using=20robobraille=20or=20one=20of=20the=20=
other=20
conversion=20services=20out=20there.

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=202=20Feb=202015=2017:41:12=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20This=20is=20a=20copy=20for=20the=20list.

=20=20Hi=20Lucy=20and=20all,
=20=20thanks=20for=20the=20responses.

=20=20Unfortunately,=20I=20was=20informed=20that=20I=20will=20get=20a=20pdf=
=20file=20only.
=20=20I=20requested=20it=20from=20the=20school=20and=20am=20waiting.=20They=
=20denied=20my=20
request=20to
=20=20convert=20it=20to=20a=20text=20based=20format=20even=20though=20other=
=20colleges=20do=20
that.
=20=20This=20community=20college=20is=20just=20difficult,=20IMO.=20Its=20an=
=20elective=20
thankfully=20so
=20=20if=20I=20have=20to=20miss=20copying=20quotes=20because=20I=20cannot=20=
go=20find=20them,=20
its=20not=20such
=20=20a=20big=20deal.

=20=20Lucy,
=20=20I=20wish=20I=20could=20use=20my=20braille=20display,=20but=20I=20do=20=
not=20have=20a=20=20brf=20
file=20and
=20=20never=20will.
=20=20I=20checked=20bookshare.
=20=20They=20do=20not=20have=20this=20book.

=20=20The=20text=20is=20Norton=20Anthology=20of=20short=20fiction.=20The=20=
seventh=20
edition.

=20=20If=20you=20can=20assist=20me,=20I'll=20write=20off=20list.
=20=20Just=20let=20me=20know,=20and=20which=20email=20you=20want=20me=20to=
=20use.

=20=20Thanks.

=20=20Ashley

=20=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20=20From:=20Lucy=20Sirianni
=20=20Sent:=20Tuesday,=20January=2027,=202015=203:17=20AM
=20=20To:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20S=
tudents=20
mailing=20list
=20=20Subject:=20re:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20Ashley,

=20=20As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-leve=
l=20English
=20=20instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=
=20few=20of=20your
=20=20questions.

=20=20First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=
=20a=20format=20you
=20=20can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=
=20allow=20you=20
to
=20=20access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20e=
asier=20to
=20=20integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=
=20paste=20
them
=20=20into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20=
are=20
available
=20=20via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=
=20free=20to
=20=20contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20vario=
us=20Norton
=20=20anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=
=20accessible
=20=20version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

=20=20Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20=
to=20be=20sent=20
to
=20=20you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommod=
ations=20
to
=20=20request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20=

inconvenience
=20=20to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-take=
r,=20you
=20=20shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20c=
lass,=20so=20the
=20=20professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=
=20of=20lesson
=20=20planning=20substantially.

=20=20I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20a=
udio=20format,
=20=20so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=
=20but=20please
=20=20don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=
=20anything=20else.

=20=20Enjoy=20the=20course!

=20=20Lucy

=20=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20=20From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20lis=
t"
=20=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
=20=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

=20=20Hi=20all,

=20=20I?=E8=81=94=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=
=20so=20back,=20I=20tried
=20=20taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20=
not=20
interested
=20=20in=20accomodating=20me.
=20=20He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20=
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=20=20able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20amo=
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=20=20issues.

=20=20Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20n=
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=20=20willing=20to=20help.=20=20No=20videos=20are=20used=20and=20his=20clas=
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=20=20auditory=20with=20lots=20of=20discussion;=20sometimes=20in=20small=20=
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=20=20sometimes=20as=20a=20whole=20class.

=20=20Here=20are=20my=20=20questions=20and=20concerns=20though.
=20=20Note=20that=20I=20have=20the=20book=20in=20audio=20form=20now,=20but=
=20am=20looking=20for
=20=20it=20in=20text=20form=20and=20may=20ask=20my=20dss=20office=20to=20ge=
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=20=20publisher.=20=20I=20generally=20have=20found=20publisher=20files=20un=
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=20=20though=20as=20its=20pdf.=20=20the=20words=20are=20often=20smashed=20t=
ogether=20and
=20=20words=20are=20broken=20up=20with=20hyphens=20as=20jaws=20reads=20them=

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