From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 04:45:56 2015
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 23:45:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
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Anyone know anything about the Texas center's (Criss Cole) training?

On 11/22/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> While it is not for everyone, if you decide to go, I have no doubt that it
> will be a wonderful experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
> To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
> Hi Bridget,
> I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of time
> to
> receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar centers
> programs
> allows a person to fully become comfortable with the skills and philosophy
> taught.
> Just my thoughts :)
>
> Anjelina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
> To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
> Hi everyone,
> I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair. The
> quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In
> fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you
> respectfully.
> I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist with
> rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you talk
> to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out of
> state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
> I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the
> programs
> so long?
> I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set.
>
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if
>> anyone
> went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kayla,
>>>
>>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good
>>> experiences,,
> after all its an NFB list.
>>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
> information. Give them a call and do your research.
>>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
> nonprofit centers too.
>>>
>>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although
>>> I'm
> not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no
> fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program
> called
> youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
>>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision
>>> and
> blind high school students was fun.
>>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to
>>> go
> off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O
> and
> M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice
> outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus
> via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a
>>> certain
> time for quiet hours.
>>>
>>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
> Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and
> you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
>>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 04:59:28 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 22:59:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
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Hi to all.  I wish I had gone to an NFB training center instead of
stupid ICREWOOD in Chicago.  That so called training center was a
complete joke, and a complete waste of my time.  We never actually
cooked anything accept from mixes or if we did any actual cooking, we
had to cook something that could be made, eaten, and cleaned up within
fifty minutes which was how long each class was.  I had so much free
time because I immediately tested out of keyboarding and braille as
soon as I got there.  I couldn't use the internet, because the
computers in the student lounge didn't have internet access which
drove me nuts.  There so called reasoning for this was that if you
checked your email you'd get some kind of terrible virus.  They didn't
teach the people there anything about how to use the internet to do
things like online shopping, or do online banking.  I along with one
other student were the only people there who had been blind since
birth.  I did make a couple friends there which was ok I guess.  If my
rehab counselor had allowed me to tour the facility like she had told
me I was going to do, before I had gone there, I wouldn't have gone
there.  I honestly wouldn't recommend the program to anyone.  Sorry
for going on so long.

On 12/31/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Anyone know anything about the Texas center's (Criss Cole) training?
>
> On 11/22/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> While it is not for everyone, if you decide to go, I have no doubt that
>> it
>> will be a wonderful experience.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>
>> Hi Bridget,
>> I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of time
>> to
>> receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar centers
>> programs
>> allows a person to fully become comfortable with the skills and
>> philosophy
>> taught.
>> Just my thoughts :)
>>
>> Anjelina
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget
>> Walker
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
>> To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair.
>> The
>> quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In
>> fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you
>> respectfully.
>> I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist
>> with
>> rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you
>> talk
>> to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out
>> of
>> state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
>> I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the
>> programs
>> so long?
>> I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set.
>>
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if
>>> anyone
>> went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Kayla,
>>>>
>>>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>>>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good
>>>> experiences,,
>> after all its an NFB list.
>>>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
>> information. Give them a call and do your research.
>>>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
>> nonprofit centers too.
>>>>
>>>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although
>>>> I'm
>> not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly
>> no
>> fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program
>> called
>> youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high
>> school.
>>>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision
>>>> and
>> blind high school students was fun.
>>>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to
>>>> go
>> off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O
>> and
>> M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed
>> practice
>> outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on
>> campus
>> via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>>>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a
>>>> certain
>> time for quiet hours.
>>>>
>>>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
>> Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and
>> you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>>>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>>>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
>>>
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 06:20:11 2015
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 01:20:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question on Google Docs
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Hi!

Yes! I do this all the time because I don't like the google docs
format. Usually turning forms mode on, going to the google docs menu
(not on the toolbar but on the webpage), going to file and going to
the download option, pressing the right arrow and pressing the option
you want.

Let me know if this helps :)

Sofi

On 10/20/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello NABS,
> I recently found out that it is possible to download what is displayed
> on Google Docs as a microsoft word file.
> Is this function possible with JAWS or any other screen reader?
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 05:47:11 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 00:47:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disability services in college
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Hi all,

In addition to what has already been stated, there is the issue of
degree integrity.  I wouldn't want to skip out on a degree
requirement, because that deflates the value of a degree and the
education it represents.  Don't think of the degree as a piece of
paper you've got to earn by jumping through hoops and biding your time
for four years; it's something valuable to work for, even if like most
people you aren't planning on going to an ivy school.

Whether you're looking into liberal arts colleges or not, you'll
probably have to take at least one math class for general education
requirements.  These classes are college-level material in subjects
that all students in the school need to take to demonstrate basic
knowledge.  Liberal arts schools may require a greater breadth and
depth of study in things that aren't directly related to your major,
but math is probably a mainstay regardless.  I can guarantee that
anyone who doesn't use math in their major probably isn't a fan of the
course, but it's something we've all got to do.  There are other
courses besides math ones that you may find you don't like, but gen ed
requirements are the same things that every other college kid takes.

Going back to what Karl said though, I'm in a liberal arschool and
don't use math or hard science at all in my major.  I had to take both
a stats course and a general biology lecture, and although they were
harder for me I don't regret taking them.  I also don't regret making
the DS office redo diagrams that weren't clear enough for me to read,
or learning from the courses even though I won't do much with this
information later on.  But I will have the satisfaction when I
graduate that I've put in the time and effort to do the work like
everyone else.

On 12/31/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I would definitely suggest talking to dss offices before you
> apply.  Maybe if you're thinking about applying to places far
> from where you live it isn't worth it to go through the expense
> of traveling their just for that until you've been accepted, but
> definitely if they're local schools I would do it.  As for
> getting exempted from math, I think it's important as a blind
> person to get the same education everyone else does.  Employers
> will expect it as will grad school if you intend on going there.
> Partially it's also that I refuse to let people tell me that I
> can't do things because I'm blind when I actually can.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 31 Dec 2014 12:29:10 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>
> Hi,
> Thank you all so much for your answers. I just wanted to clarify
> something.
> Did you wait until you were for sure going to be accepted into
> the
> college before having the meetings? I'm still waiting to see if I
> will
> be accepted.
> Also, Karl, you mentioned that sometimes DSS will exempt someone
> from
> taking a class because they don't want to make the diagrams. Is
> it
> worth fighting for that even if it's a class you don't want to
> take?
> For example, I might have to take math for one year but I want to
> be
> an English major. So is it worth fighting for even if it's just a
> general ed class that you don't care to take anyway? Or should
> you
> still fight for a class that you don't want to take because your
> sighted peers are taking it?
> I would really appreciate oppiinions on this.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
>
> On 12/30/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hi, Vejas and all,
>
>  First off, don't discount private colleges.  I toured several
> private
>  and public colleges before choosing the school I attend now,
> which is
>  private and has a pretty awesome DS office and staff.  One thing
> that
>  I really like that my DS office does is that it employs students
> to do
>  much of the book scanning, edits, and stuff in addition to
> answering
>  phones and some basic emails that aren't specifically for a
> staff
>  member.  This is great, because if I have a simple worksheet or
> a
>  packet of information I need to read for class, I can just give
> it to
>  a student worker and have them email it to me once they're done
> rather
>  than waiting for a DS coordinator to be free from meetings or
> other
>  stuff.  I would ask if such a system is in place, and if so I
> would
>  plan to try to get to know the students who work there a bit.  I
> know
>  the girl who edits most of my books and she's an English major,
> so in
>  addition to being already detail oriented, I think that knowing
> who
>  the book is going to might help with making sure that it's
>  well-proofread.  (She's also been very nice and bumped papers up
> in
>  the cue for me if professors give them to me late so I could
> still
>  turn work in on time).
>
>  As mentioned, you'll probably not get a lot in braille.  So far
> I've
>  only gotten my math stuff and some science diagrams in braille,
> and
>  everything else has been electronic.  I'm a stickler for braille
> as
>  much as the next guy, but having almost everything electronic
> really
>  helps, and cuts down on your load.  If you thought carrying a
> bunch of
>  books was hard in high school, you certainly won't want to lug
> braille
>  volumes around a college campus.
>
>  I'd ask to see a testing room if you can, and to meet some of
> the
>  other staff members.  Your meetings will probably consist
> largely of
>  your DS coordinator reciting some basic shpeel about
> accommodations,
>  the ADA, etc, but it's the questions you ask and the other
> people you
>  meet who will help you decide which DS office is the best fit
> for you.
>
>  Additional Questions:
>  1.  Do you have an assistive technology specialist on staff?  If
> so,
>  can I meet them?  If not, are there any plans to bring one on
> staff in
>  the foreseeable future?
>  2.  Are there any assistive technologies I can loan/borrow for
>  academic or assistive purposes should I need them?  (My college
> does
>  this, and just requires me to sign a release stating that I'll
> pay for
>  any damage or loss to the device if something happens while I
> have it.
>  I also have to return it by an agreed deadline, but borrowing a
> Focus
>  40 sure beats having to buy one).
>  3.  Do you offer any training on assistive technology devices?
> (Again
>  with the focus 40, I was able to get a quick half hour session
> with
>  the assistive technology specialist without leaving campus).
>  4.  What are the standard accommodations a blind person would
> receive?
>   Just see what they tell you at a glance.  You should at the
> least be
>  guaranteed extended time on tests (usually double time),
> assistive
>  technology on tests and for use in the classroom, text
> descriptions of
>  pictures or videos shown in class, volunteer notetaker (if you
> want
>  it), a reader (if needed), distraction-reduced environments for
> test,
>  alternative formats for books and class materials (including
> books),
>  and a scribe for tests (if needed).  I would also see if they
> have a
>  policy about electronic submissions.  Most colleges don't, but
> it
>  might be something to ask about.  I had a professor who did not
> want
>  to accept assignments attached to emails, and I was able to get
>  electronic submission to be a reasonable accommodation because
> print
>  papers create organizational nightmares for me.
>  5.  See if you can find other disabled students on campus to
> talk to,
>  preferably blind ones but any should be able to provide some
> insight
>  into how good or bad the DS office is with response to problems,
>  working with professors, etc.
>
>  Remember that a lot of the advocacy is going to come from you
> first.
>  I know you've probably heard it a million times, but the DSS
> rarely
>  gets involved unless the professor goes to them directly to sort
> out
>  an issue, or there is some problem and after unsuccessfully
> advocating
>  for yourself you ask them to step in and back you up.
>
>  Some DS offices are awesome; mine has really gone above and
> beyond for
>  me, and while I don't use them often aside from getting my books
> and
>  materials they've always been willing to help read something, or
> help
>  me find something on campus if it's a location I've never had to
> go to
>  before but need to for a class.  The nice thing about student
> workers
>  in a DS department is that they are often able to do these
> things
>  because there are enough of them working at a time that work
> doesn't
>  stop.
>
>  On 12/30/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  I go to Arizona State and they have computers with JAWS, MAGic
> in several
>  labs, libraries and in the high tech center in disabled student
> services.
>  The will make tactile diagrams of things if needed. They offered
> to make
>  me
>  some for Circuits. They also have a braille printer and braille
> displays
>  on
>  some computers. So it seems there are really various levels of
> what is
>  available and what is provided. They have an entire alternative
> format
>  department to handle text books. I get electronic and if
> requested I can
>  get large print. I prefer they get the pdf's from the publisher
> because
>  they are better quality than scanned for reading with zoomtext.
>
>  On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  These are some good additional questions.  The only other thing
> I think
>  is
>  important is to find out how they get your books.  Do they
> request
>  publisher files?  If publisher files are not available--they
> aren't for
>  trade books, which is most of what you'll be reading in upper
> level
>  classes
>  and in things like English classes--does the office scan books
> for you?
>  Do
>  they have someone proofread the things they scan if they scan
> them?  By
>  the
>  way, you almost certainly won't be getting books in braille at
> all, and
>  if
>  you do they'll be embossed.  Almost all colleges will give them
> to you
>  electronically, which actually is more efficient.  Neither of
> the
>  schools
>  I've gone to (they were both public) had the capability to
> produce
>  things
>  in braille.  As for adaptive technology, most schools will have
> a
>  computer
>  in the library with Jaws and maybe one or two more, but of
> course you'll
>  have to provide your own personal computer and notetaker etc.
> You might
>  also want to talk to them and try to figure out indirectly if
> dss tries
>  to
>  control the classes disabled students take.  I've heard horror
> stories
>  from
>  friends at some schools where dss basically exempts blind
> students from
>  taking certain classes, such as basic math, because they don't
> want to
>  provide the accommodations that would be necessary.  You
> probably also
>  want
>  to talk about how accommodations for lab science classes work.
>
>  Best,
>  Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: NMPBRAT--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: alpineimagination at gmail.com, nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:03:32 -0500
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disability services in college
>
>  Vejas,
>  Here are a few other suggestions for  questions:
>  1) How many people work for the DSS?
>  2) What days and hours are the DSS open?
>  3) What accommodations are available to me, including testing
>  accommodations?  What is the process for requesting those
>  accommodations?
>  4) How willing do professors seem to be when working with the
> DSS
>  office?
>  (note: if you know what degree you are majoring in, you can be
> specific
>  to
>  that particular group of professors)
>  5) Who do I talk to and what is the process in dealing with
> issues that
>  arise in a particular class or with a particular  professor?
>  6) What percentage of students that your office services are
> blind or
>  visually impaired?
>  7) What resources, if any, do you work with outside of your
> office?
>
>  Just some thoughts!  Good luck!
>
>  Nicole
>
>
>  In a message dated 12/29/2014 5:51:16 P.M. Eastern Standard
> Time,
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:
>
>  Hi  All,
>  I am going to be meeting soon with the disability services of my
>  schools and have some questions/want some insight.
>  How do you know how  good a DSS program is? (Of my three
> colleges,
>  one is a Cal State and two  are private, so the privates may not
>  have very good services).
>  If the  DSS is poor but you like the college for all other
>  reasons, is this a big  enough reason not to attend that
> college?
>  Also, I'd really like your ideas  on questions I could ask DSS.
> I
>  already have 5, which I'll paste  below my name, and I would
>  really appreciate if you could add some more or  change any of
> the
>  above.
>  Thanks.
>  Vejas
>  Questions to Ask  DSS
>  1.  How quickly is the turnaround time for Braille  materials?
>  2.  Is there a Braille transcriber/braillist on campus, or  is
>  everything just going to be embossed?
>  3.  Is there anyone on  campus who can create raised diagrams
> for
>  subjects such as chemistry and  mathematics?
>  4.  What kind of adaptive technology is offered at the  school?
>  5.  Should anything go wrong with my hearing aids, is there
>  anyone who can help with  them?
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:30:50 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:30:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
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I have not attended any programs there, but I know that they are quite
renowned for their technology training and that many of their staff are
Federationists who believe in our philosophy. I agree, however, with what
others have stated: The best way to determine whether a training program is
right for you individually is to tour the center and talk with current and
former students.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo via
nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:46 PM
To: justin williams; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Anyone know anything about the Texas center's (Criss Cole) training?

On 11/22/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> While it is not for everyone, if you decide to go, I have no doubt 
> that it will be a wonderful experience.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina 
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
> To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
> Hi Bridget,
> I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of 
> time to receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar 
> centers programs allows a person to fully become comfortable with the 
> skills and philosophy taught.
> Just my thoughts :)
>
> Anjelina
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget 
> Walker via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
> To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
> Hi everyone,
> I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was 
> fair. The quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was 
> horrible. In fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not 
> treat you respectfully.
> I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist 
> with rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If 
> you talk to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which 
> means out of state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
> I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the 
> programs so long?
> I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set.
>
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if 
>> anyone
> went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Kayla,
>>>
>>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good 
>>> experiences,,
> after all its an NFB list.
>>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
> information. Give them a call and do your research.
>>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
> nonprofit centers too.
>>>
>>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although 
>>> I'm
> not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm 
> certainly no fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a 
> youth program called youth in transition. It was my summer before 
> being a senior in high school.
>>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision 
>>> and
> blind high school students was fun.
>>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission 
>>> to go
> off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my 
> O and M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I 
> needed practice outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have 
> been safe on campus via taking a cab and not having to cross major 
> streets.
>>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a 
>>> certain
> time for quiet hours.
>>>
>>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
> Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based 
> and you even can go to work part time after you master some of your
skills.
>>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>>>
>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:36:10 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:36:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy new year all!
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I apologize for being so late to this, as we had a New Year's Eve party
Wednesday night which took me away from my email. Happy New Year to all!

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 4:41 PM
To: Sami Osborne; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Happy new year all!

We don't really have any huge traditions here either and I would love to
wish you and your family from my friends a happy new year.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Dec 31, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> With only about 8 hours left (in my time) until the new year, I just want
to wish everyone on this list a happy new year.  Particularly for the list,
let's hope that this next year brings some great discussions, and that we
will strive for greater excellence in high school and or college.
> 
> What do you and your family tradditionally do to celebrate the new year?
In mine, we usually get my relatives from France on Skype to wish them a
happy new year and then go out to a restaurant for dinner.  We talk to my
family  around 6 o'clock, as France is 6 hours ahead of the time here in New
York (Eastern Standard) so it would be midnight in France.  For the past 2
years, one of my uncles (also from France) and his family have come up here
to New York and rented an apartment for the holidays.  We have had dinner
with them at their apartment.
> 
> Looking forward to the upcoming year, and let's hope again that it will be
filled with joy and excitement.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Jan  2 20:36:09 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 14:36:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
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Hi Chris, they are an awesome center you are correct. And they're not just great for their technology, they also have a woodworking program and several different cooking programs and things like that what I do recommend, is calling to schedule a tour and check it out for yourself or even come to Texas, and participate in one of their many trainings that they either have in college station or Waco or general areas like that to get more information, you might want to contact your division for blind services office to see when or where they're going to be having their next training. I Hope this helps and if I can be of any more help to the original poster, I would be very glad to on or off list.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:30 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have not attended any programs there, but I know that they are quite
> renowned for their technology training and that many of their staff are
> Federationists who believe in our philosophy. I agree, however, with what
> others have stated: The best way to determine whether a training program is
> right for you individually is to tour the center and talk with current and
> former students.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sofia Gallo via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2014 11:46 PM
> To: justin williams; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
> 
> Anyone know anything about the Texas center's (Criss Cole) training?
> 
> On 11/22/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> While it is not for everyone, if you decide to go, I have no doubt 
>> that it will be a wonderful experience.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina 
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
>> To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Hi Bridget,
>> I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of 
>> time to receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar 
>> centers programs allows a person to fully become comfortable with the 
>> skills and philosophy taught.
>> Just my thoughts :)
>> 
>> Anjelina
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget 
>> Walker via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
>> To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was 
>> fair. The quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was 
>> horrible. In fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not 
>> treat you respectfully.
>> I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist 
>> with rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If 
>> you talk to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which 
>> means out of state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
>> I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the 
>> programs so long?
>> I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set.
>> 
>> Bridget
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if 
>>> anyone
>> went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Kayla,
>>>> 
>>>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>>>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good 
>>>> experiences,,
>> after all its an NFB list.
>>>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
>> information. Give them a call and do your research.
>>>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
>> nonprofit centers too.
>>>> 
>>>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although 
>>>> I'm
>> not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm 
>> certainly no fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a 
>> youth program called youth in transition. It was my summer before 
>> being a senior in high school.
>>>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision 
>>>> and
>> blind high school students was fun.
>>>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission 
>>>> to go
>> off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my 
>> O and M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I 
>> needed practice outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have 
>> been safe on campus via taking a cab and not having to cross major 
>> streets.
>>>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a 
>>>> certain
>> time for quiet hours.
>>>> 
>>>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
>> Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based 
>> and you even can go to work part time after you master some of your
> skills.
>>>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with your decision.
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>>>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 18:51:04 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 12:51:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] General question
Message-ID: <D9148725-82A8-4152-BA6D-752BD5D72D11@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Sorry for this post and I know it may be on the wrong list, but somebody responded to me once before and I needed to get the information again. I am wanting to explore the idea of using make up and trying to find alternative blind is techniques to do this. Someone on this list before had talk to me about using a special Quan when it comes to apply mascara and was wanting to know what that was called again. If this personis on this list please send me an email off list if you can. It was some type of vibrating mascara wand but couldn't remember the name. Thank you and sorry again for flooding the list with this message

Sent from my iPhone

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 07:59:54 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 02:59:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
Message-ID: <C727B974-A669-4647-802E-0D893686DD5B@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 12:57:46 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:57:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
In-Reply-To: <C727B974-A669-4647-802E-0D893686DD5B@gmail.com>
References: <C727B974-A669-4647-802E-0D893686DD5B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03BDC4B1-7A3C-4FBE-978D-0BBED19B0C50@gmail.com>

Yes, if you have enough memory on your Apex, you can record your class. However, these recordings are large and, if you intend to type on your Apex while the class is recording, good luck understanding what was happening while the keyboard was thundering in your recording. It might be better for you to invest in a dedicated digital recorder, like the accessible ones from Olympus. They are a bit expensive, but the recording quality is excellent and you can navigate through the recordings and record long classes while still maintaining the precious little space available on your Apex. If you do decide to record with the Apex, you can use the cursor routing buttons, along with space with all the braille dots separately to move by various increments.
HTH,
Aleeha 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 13:40:42 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:40:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
In-Reply-To: <03BDC4B1-7A3C-4FBE-978D-0BBED19B0C50@gmail.com>
References: <C727B974-A669-4647-802E-0D893686DD5B@gmail.com>
	<03BDC4B1-7A3C-4FBE-978D-0BBED19B0C50@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7BB110C8-F8FA-4E98-B8CA-1CB19F71174E@gmail.com>

Hi,
I read this and was very interested in the digital recorders that you discuss. Is there one model better than the other? Thanks for your suggestions.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, if you have enough memory on your Apex, you can record your class. However, these recordings are large and, if you intend to type on your Apex while the class is recording, good luck understanding what was happening while the keyboard was thundering in your recording. It might be better for you to invest in a dedicated digital recorder, like the accessible ones from Olympus. They are a bit expensive, but the recording quality is excellent and you can navigate through the recordings and record long classes while still maintaining the precious little space available on your Apex. If you do decide to record with the Apex, you can use the cursor routing buttons, along with space with all the braille dots separately to move by various increments.
> HTH,
> Aleeha 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 14:53:37 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 09:53:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
In-Reply-To: <7BB110C8-F8FA-4E98-B8CA-1CB19F71174E@gmail.com>
References: <C727B974-A669-4647-802E-0D893686DD5B@gmail.com>
	<03BDC4B1-7A3C-4FBE-978D-0BBED19B0C50@gmail.com>
	<7BB110C8-F8FA-4E98-B8CA-1CB19F71174E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FAB2036-03CB-47B7-8611-C71216C9B301@gmail.com>

I have the Olympus DM-620. There is also the 520, only available on eBay. Both recorders offer spoken menus. Look on Olympus America’s website for the most up-to-date information. 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:40 AM, Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I read this and was very interested in the digital recorders that you discuss. Is there one model better than the other? Thanks for your suggestions.
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 6:57 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, if you have enough memory on your Apex, you can record your class. However, these recordings are large and, if you intend to type on your Apex while the class is recording, good luck understanding what was happening while the keyboard was thundering in your recording. It might be better for you to invest in a dedicated digital recorder, like the accessible ones from Olympus. They are a bit expensive, but the recording quality is excellent and you can navigate through the recordings and record long classes while still maintaining the precious little space available on your Apex. If you do decide to record with the Apex, you can use the cursor routing buttons, along with space with all the braille dots separately to move by various increments.
>> HTH,
>> Aleeha 
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 15:03:15 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:03:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
Message-ID: <54aaa7c4.6750320a.3ace.ffffce53@mx.google.com>

All this is true, but there are ways of dealing with some of 
these problems.  As far as space is concerned, you can change the 
settings for the level of quality of recording that your apex 
makes (see the manual for how to do this).  For something like a 
class, lower quality works fine and reduces the size of the files 
you're recording.  I would also suggest recording to an SD card 
or a USB thumbdrive rather than to the internal memory, which is 
somewhat limited.  If the sound of typing really bothers you, you 
could always invest in an external microphone, though I've always 
managed without.  (I have a qt though, which is quieter than the 
bt).  All that being said, you probably are better off with a 
dedicated recording device like the Victor Stream from HumanWare 
or the Booksense from Himes.  I would also suggest that you think 
about whether you really need to record classes.  I recorded my 
first three years of college, but then I lost my recorder and 
realized that I didn't need it since I almost never listened to 
any of the recordings.  If you can take good notes, reviewing 
them is much more efficient than listening to the entire lecture 
over again.  Some people learn better by listening though or 
aren't very good note takers, so experiment to see what works for 
you.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:57:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a 
BrailleNote Apex

Yes, if you have enough memory on your Apex, you can record your 
class. However, these recordings are large and, if you intend to 
type on your Apex while the class is recording, good luck 
understanding what was happening while the keyboard was 
thundering in your recording. It might be better for you to 
invest in a dedicated digital recorder, like the accessible ones 
from Olympus. They are a bit expensive, but the recording quality 
is excellent and you can navigate through the recordings and 
record long classes while still maintaining the precious little 
space available on your Apex. If you do decide to record with the 
Apex, you can use the cursor routing buttons, along with space 
with all the braille dots separately to move by various 
increments.
HTH,
Aleeha
 On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record 
a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If 
so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with 
the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex 
and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. 
Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record 
my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, 
since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I 
will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! 
Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

 Helga Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 15:06:39 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 10:06:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
In-Reply-To: <54aaa7c4.6750320a.3ace.ffffce53@mx.google.com>
References: <54aaa7c4.6750320a.3ace.ffffce53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9F633418-F800-42D7-8FD6-FDB923995AC4@gmail.com>

The BookSense and Victor Stream are more expensive than the Olympus recorders and are not dedicated recorders. 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:03 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> All this is true, but there are ways of dealing with some of these problems.  As far as space is concerned, you can change the settings for the level of quality of recording that your apex makes (see the manual for how to do this).  For something like a class, lower quality works fine and reduces the size of the files you're recording.  I would also suggest recording to an SD card or a USB thumbdrive rather than to the internal memory, which is somewhat limited.  If the sound of typing really bothers you, you could always invest in an external microphone, though I've always managed without.  (I have a qt though, which is quieter than the bt).  All that being said, you probably are better off with a dedicated recording device like the Victor Stream from HumanWare or the Booksense from Himes.  I would also suggest that you think about whether you really need to record classes.  I recorded my first three years of college, but then I lost my recorder and realized that I didn't need it since I almost never listened to any of the recordings.  If you can take good notes, reviewing them is much more efficient than listening to the entire lecture over again.  Some people learn better by listening though or aren't very good note takers, so experiment to see what works for you.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 07:57:46 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
> 
> Yes, if you have enough memory on your Apex, you can record your class. However, these recordings are large and, if you intend to type on your Apex while the class is recording, good luck understanding what was happening while the keyboard was thundering in your recording. It might be better for you to invest in a dedicated digital recorder, like the accessible ones from Olympus. They are a bit expensive, but the recording quality is excellent and you can navigate through the recordings and record long classes while still maintaining the precious little space available on your Apex. If you do decide to record with the Apex, you can use the cursor routing buttons, along with space with all the braille dots separately to move by various increments.
> HTH,
> Aleeha
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 2:59 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? Happy New Year all! Can you record a one hour and fifteen minutes class with a BrailleNote Apex? If so, how can I do that? And can you go back and go forward with the recording? I'm just wondering since I have a BrailleNote Apex and this semester I'm taking a Literature class in college. Actually, some of you gave  me some suggestions in how to record my class with my iPhone, and i really appreciate it a lot. Now, since I hav a BrailleNote Apex, I'm wondering how to do it! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 15:17:10 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 10:17:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
Message-ID: <54aaab2e.67288c0a.4493.ffff9624@mx.google.com>

Hi Gloria thanks for this message.  I use an Olympus digital 
recorder to record my class lectures.  When the class is over I 
can listen to the lectures again and take notes on them.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 18:02:58 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 13:02:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my Independence
Message-ID: <54aad209.8587e00a.234f.ffffac70@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

I wanted to give you an update on my independence.  This 
afternoon I washed my bowl and spoon after lunch.  This is 
another small step toward improving my independent living skills 
at home.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 18:19:44 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 13:19:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording College Classes with a BrailleNote Apex
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Hi,

First, as for dealing with expenses, you can try asking your state
rehab agency if they can get the recorder for you.  If it is out of
your budget, it might be worth trying.

I don't think it really matters whether you use a dedicated recorder
or something like a BookSense or stream.  You buy the SD card for both
types of devices, and I don't think the BookSense takes up that much
room formatting things.  The nice thing about having one of those
devices is that they are a little more versatile, and I love how you
can use percentiles to navigate recordings.  The battery is pretty
good too, even on the older model of BookSense that I have.

I occasionally use my BookSense for recording and have had good
results with it.  I'd recommend lowering the bitrate and other factors
in the settings menu as Karl suggested though, because then you'll
have more room.   As long as you're just recording a lecture, you
don't need to waste the space.  If you're planning on recording a ton,
I would also suggest looking into buying a larger SD card.  8 gigs
will hold a lot for me, but I've never been one to record everything.
16 or 32 gigs might work better if that's what you're planning to do.

On 1/5/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Gloria thanks for this message.  I use an Olympus digital
> recorder to record my class lectures.  When the class is over I
> can listen to the lectures again and take notes on them.
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 21:49:44 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 16:49:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] openbook 9.0
Message-ID: <003201d02931$852a69b0$8f7f3d10$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon.  I've noticed that openbook 9.0 does not work with jaws 15
or 16 on my laptop.  I have a windows 7 machine.  Does anyone no why?

Thank you for any responses.

 

Thanks

Justin


From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 22:10:31 2015
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:10:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] openbook 9.0
In-Reply-To: <003201d02931$852a69b0$8f7f3d10$@gmail.com>
References: <003201d02931$852a69b0$8f7f3d10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <076F9785-299A-417A-82AB-B620A95786FA@gmail.com>

Can you write me off list and tell me what exactly it's doing? I cannot reproduce this.

Hope Paulos

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon.  I've noticed that openbook 9.0 does not work with jaws 15
> or 16 on my laptop.  I have a windows 7 machine.  Does anyone no why?
> 
> Thank you for any responses.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Justin
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  5 23:28:51 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 18:28:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] library databases
Message-ID: <807A8DE340CC4269AC0C9D760095C6DB@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

So, I am taking electives and I will have to research sometime.
Also, some topics interest me so I may research to add to my base of knowledge.

Is proquest research library a source for newspapers and magazines? Do they have any business sources like Forbes magazine?
I heard that is accessible so this should not be too problematic.

However, there are some significant accessibility issues in my experience. When I asked about research in the past, a few of you said you used Psychinfo and oxford databases. I have not had issues with those.

But a group of databases from Ebsco have presented some challenges.
Has this been an issue for you? For instance using academic research complete and business source complete.
I think these ebsco databases are the most inaccessible.

Here are a few problems. I cannot change the combo box from the default term And to say Or. You need to do  this to conduct a good advanced search so the engine searches for terms x and y or z. Also, I have trouble finding the search button. Everytime I press the hot key B, it goes to different buttons, and finally jaws said “search search button” and I guessed this was the right button. It was the one; I had someone helping me at the library so I knew it was right as they could see the screen.
The only option to see the full text is pdf and I wish html was an option.
I use h for heading to find my search results and skim down the list of results by heading. Seeing the results is not too problematic but conducting a good search is as some features are not accessible.


I was wondering if Gale databases were accessible. 
Are these usable?
  a.. Biography in context 
  b.. US history in context 
  c.. World History in context
If gale databases were semi accessible, what challenges did you have? Btw I use jaws.

Thanks.

Ashley

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From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:33:29 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opening for Orientation and Mobility Specialist
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 00:50:02 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
Message-ID: <6BD788D0-17AA-462D-B5A3-F9FECC6BFFB9@gmail.com>



Hey 

For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class. Shikha. 

From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  6 01:01:37 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:01:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] General question
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References: <D9148725-82A8-4152-BA6D-752BD5D72D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1420506097.68905.YahooMailNeo@web180906.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Gloria,
 
     The vibrating mascara was by Lancôme and I bought it at Sephora. Maybelline also makes one, but I couldn't find it at Wallgreen's last time I checked. I've found vibrating mascara to be very easy to apply as it's tactile. 
 
I hope this helps,
Kaley 


On Sunday, January 4, 2015 2:16 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
  


Hi all,
Sorry for this post and I know it may be on the wrong list, but somebody responded to me once before and I needed to get the information again. I am wanting to explore the idea of using make up and trying to find alternative blind is techniques to do this. Someone on this list before had talk to me about using a special Quan when it comes to apply mascara and was wanting to know what that was called again. If this personis on this list please send me an email off list if you can. It was some type of vibrating mascara wand but couldn't remember the name. Thank you and sorry again for flooding the list with this message

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:23:21 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:23:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
Message-ID: <54ab3930.0306460a.4b3a.ffff8ec1@mx.google.com>

Hi Shikha,
By "reader", do you mean someone who describes the labs for you?
I am in chemistry this year as a high-school student.  I normally 
don't do the lab activities.  I have a partner and an aide in the 
class.  My partner will do the lab and both of them will describe 
it to me.  I then write the necessary data and also answer any 
supplemental questions if there are any.  While I would really 
enjoy doing the labs, I would miss key pieces of data.
HTH
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help



Hey

For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader 
or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class.  
Shikha.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:31:55 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 17:31:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
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I had a lab aide hired by DSS and also had lab partners read things to
me. Either way will work.
Arielle

On 1/5/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Shikha,
> By "reader", do you mean someone who describes the labs for you?
> I am in chemistry this year as a high-school student.  I normally
> don't do the lab activities.  I have a partner and an aide in the
> class.  My partner will do the lab and both of them will describe
> it to me.  I then write the necessary data and also answer any
> supplemental questions if there are any.  While I would really
> enjoy doing the labs, I would miss key pieces of data.
> HTH
> Vejas
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
>
>
>
> Hey
>
> For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader
> or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class.
> Shikha.
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:32:45 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:32:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
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I’ve always had a reader so that I can participate fully in the labs. I find it necessary to get my hands on the labs to really see what in the world is going on. I also find that if I participate, my classmates do not treat me so much like the note taker. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
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> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shikha,
> By "reader", do you mean someone who describes the labs for you?
> I am in chemistry this year as a high-school student.  I normally don't do the lab activities.  I have a partner and an aide in the class.  My partner will do the lab and both of them will describe it to me.  I then write the necessary data and also answer any supplemental questions if there are any.  While I would really enjoy doing the labs, I would miss key pieces of data.
> HTH
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
> 
> 
> 
> Hey
> 
> For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class.  Shikha.
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:37:57 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 17:37:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
Message-ID: <54ab3c9c.ad5a460a.1806.79fe@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know 
what you do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was 
sponsoring an event where people could go up and share their 
writing.  There were about 100 people there, mostly from my high 
school.  I only knew about 3 of them.  I would normally have hung 
out with my friend (I prefer to hang out with an individual 
rather than a group), but since it was at her house last month, 
she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had 
everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  
I found the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, 
but I didn't know exactly where all the food was.  I asked 
someone where the pizza was and he got me a slice.  Then awhile 
later someone mentioned more food and I had had no idea that 
there was any.
So my questions are:
1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even 
if you hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be 
willing to tell me?
2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone 
to hang out with, or do you think that's too akward?
In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get 
ideas so that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but 
don't because they don't know what to do.
Thanks,
Vejas


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 01:41:57 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 20:41:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
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I think both of these are fine and are also great conversation starters. Just try to get to know the person. If they are willing to help, odds are they are also going to be willing to talk as well. If they don’t want to help, they’re not worth hanging out with anyway. 
JMT.

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
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> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know what you do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
> Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was sponsoring an event where people could go up and share their writing.  There were about 100 people there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew about 3 of them.  I would normally have hung out with my friend (I prefer to hang out with an individual rather than a group), but since it was at her house last month, she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  I found the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, but I didn't know exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone where the pizza was and he got me a slice.  Then awhile later someone mentioned more food and I had had no idea that there was any.
> So my questions are:
> 1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even if you hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be willing to tell me?
> 2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to hang out with, or do you think that's too akward?
> In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get ideas so that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
> I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but don't because they don't know what to do.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 02:00:13 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:00:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
In-Reply-To: <DE82F4FA-A485-404D-A8D1-6A463B8BF721@gmail.com>
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	<DE82F4FA-A485-404D-A8D1-6A463B8BF721@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201d02954$8308fb60$891af220$@gmail.com>

I don't like the sitting with me part unless you build a relationship with them first or they offer, but asking about the food is a good idea.  Also, eat before you go so it is not necessary that you eat when you are there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:42 PM
To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties

I think both of these are fine and are also great conversation starters. Just try to get to know the person. If they are willing to help, odds are they are also going to be willing to talk as well. If they don’t want to help, they’re not worth hanging out with anyway. 
JMT.

Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know what you do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
> Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was sponsoring an event where people could go up and share their writing.  There were about 100 people there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew about 3 of them.  I would normally have hung out with my friend (I prefer to hang out with an individual rather than a group), but since it was at her house last month, she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  I found the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, but I didn't know exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone where the pizza was and he got me a slice.  Then awhile later someone mentioned more food and I had had no idea that there was any.
> So my questions are:
> 1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even if you hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be willing to tell me?
> 2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to hang out with, or do you think that's too akward?
> In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get ideas so that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
> I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but don't because they don't know what to do.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 03:33:18 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:33:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
In-Reply-To: <000201d02954$8308fb60$891af220$@gmail.com>
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	<DE82F4FA-A485-404D-A8D1-6A463B8BF721@gmail.com>
	<000201d02954$8308fb60$891af220$@gmail.com>
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Hi Vejas, Large parties can be challenging, but here are a few tricks
I've learned over the years. I try to arrive on time or not too late
into the party, so the group is still small. If you arrive early on,
it'll be easier to get into the middle of the group and learn who is
there and the lay of the land before things get too crowded. Also, at
many large parties there is a smaller sub-gathering of people around
the edges where it may be easier to find and talk to people. For
example, at a house party most of the action might be in the kitchen
or living room, but there might be a few people hanging out in the
back yard or another common room. I like to find these smaller
gathering places and wander over there if I am on noise overload or
just want to be in a smaller group setting. I think it is fine to
locate someone who is getting food and ask him or her what is
available. If people are sitting down and I can't find people I know,
I might go up to a table or group of chairs and ask if there is an
empty seat, then if there is one, sit down and try to start a
conversation with the others or join one in progress. The only thing I
wouldn't recommend would be asking one person to stay with you all
night, unless you ar good friends, or asking someone who is not eating
to get up and get you food. In general, I did find that after high
school was over, peers are a lot friendlier and more willing to let
you mingle with them. I hope these suggestions help.
Arielle

On 1/5/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't like the sitting with me part unless you build a relationship with
> them first or they offer, but asking about the food is a good idea.  Also,
> eat before you go so it is not necessary that you eat when you are there.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:42 PM
> To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
>
> I think both of these are fine and are also great conversation starters.
> Just try to get to know the person. If they are willing to help, odds are
> they are also going to be willing to talk as well. If they don’t want to
> help, they’re not worth hanging out with anyway.
> JMT.
>
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of
> Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both
> proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian
> proverb
>
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know what you
>> do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
>> Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was sponsoring an
>> event where people could go up and share their writing.  There were about
>> 100 people there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew about 3 of
>> them.  I would normally have hung out with my friend (I prefer to hang out
>> with an individual rather than a group), but since it was at her house
>> last month, she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had
>> everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  I found
>> the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, but I didn't
>> know exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone where the pizza was
>> and he got me a slice.  Then awhile later someone mentioned more food and
>> I had had no idea that there was any.
>> So my questions are:
>> 1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even if you
>> hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be willing to tell
>> me?
>> 2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to hang
>> out with, or do you think that's too akward?
>> In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get ideas so
>> that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
>> I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but don't
>> because they don't know what to do.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 03:38:54 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:38:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
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The kind of setting you described was very intimidating for me for the longest time. Confidence seems to be the key to success in these kinds of situations. If you are confident in yourself and don’t act like it’s a big deal, most people will follow your lead. 

Its perfectly fine to ask someone you don’t know for help, but its definitely easier if you start a conversation first. Say hello, introduce yourself, ask their name, etc. Then, I would say something like, “I was headed to get some food. Do you know what they have?” or, “Would you mind telling me what they have?” If that’s a little too direct for your style, you could ask, “Am I headed in the right direction?” If you use this second option, be prepared for a yes or no answer, which is probably not what you are going for :)

Because you started a conversation before, it is perfectly natural to continue it as you get your food and afterward. If you are talking to someone, they are far more likely to sit down and continue the conversation once you have your food.  

No strategy is going to be perfect and you will often need to try several to get the job done. Being confident enough to say hello and start a conversation goes a long way toward putting people at ease who might not be comfortable. I think a big part of this is because we can’t make true eye contact. Sighted people generally start a conversation by making eye contact first. By putting yourself out there and saying hello, you clearly communicate your interest in speaking to someone.

And as for eating beforehand, that might work sometimes, but you don’t want to miss out on your host’s amazing food :) 

Best of luck,

Greg

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't like the sitting with me part unless you build a relationship with them first or they offer, but asking about the food is a good idea.  Also, eat before you go so it is not necessary that you eat when you are there.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:42 PM
> To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
> 
> I think both of these are fine and are also great conversation starters. Just try to get to know the person. If they are willing to help, odds are they are also going to be willing to talk as well. If they don’t want to help, they’re not worth hanging out with anyway. 
> JMT.
> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know what you do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
>> Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was sponsoring an event where people could go up and share their writing.  There were about 100 people there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew about 3 of them.  I would normally have hung out with my friend (I prefer to hang out with an individual rather than a group), but since it was at her house last month, she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  I found the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, but I didn't know exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone where the pizza was and he got me a slice.  Then awhile later someone mentioned more food and I had had no idea that there was any.
>> So my questions are:
>> 1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even if you hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be willing to tell me?
>> 2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to hang out with, or do you think that's too akward?
>> In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get ideas so that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
>> I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but don't because they don't know what to do.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 03:46:49 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:46:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
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Hi,

I agree with most of what has been said.  If possible, try to see if
you know of anyone else who is going before the party, and see if you
can find at least 2 or 3 familiar people.  If I'm not going to a party
in a group already, I tend to ask who is going so I am somewhat
familiar with who might be there.  This is mainly because I have
trouble recognizing people's voices over the din, and at least having
an idea of who might be there talking to me sometimes helps.

I wouldn't necessarily avoid eating the food there, because I've met
some really cool people in the kitchens of parties asking them where
things were so I could get them myself.  Also, like Arielle I tend to
like to know where the door to the back yard or the front porch is so
I can step out if I need a break from the noise.

I never used to go to parties like this in high school because the
social atmosphere was just so awkward for me, but I go to them
occasionally in college which have a pretty consistent social circle
involved.  Parties are a lot more fun when you know the people around
you, so don't be shy in striking up conversations.  One of the truest
phrases I've heard is "It's only awkward if you make it awkward."  If
you're okay with asking questions of people and trying to get to know
them, the worst thing they could do is be weird about it, in which
case you move on and find someone else who, like you, will only make
the situation awkward if they are awkward.

On 1/5/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas, Large parties can be challenging, but here are a few tricks
> I've learned over the years. I try to arrive on time or not too late
> into the party, so the group is still small. If you arrive early on,
> it'll be easier to get into the middle of the group and learn who is
> there and the lay of the land before things get too crowded. Also, at
> many large parties there is a smaller sub-gathering of people around
> the edges where it may be easier to find and talk to people. For
> example, at a house party most of the action might be in the kitchen
> or living room, but there might be a few people hanging out in the
> back yard or another common room. I like to find these smaller
> gathering places and wander over there if I am on noise overload or
> just want to be in a smaller group setting. I think it is fine to
> locate someone who is getting food and ask him or her what is
> available. If people are sitting down and I can't find people I know,
> I might go up to a table or group of chairs and ask if there is an
> empty seat, then if there is one, sit down and try to start a
> conversation with the others or join one in progress. The only thing I
> wouldn't recommend would be asking one person to stay with you all
> night, unless you ar good friends, or asking someone who is not eating
> to get up and get you food. In general, I did find that after high
> school was over, peers are a lot friendlier and more willing to let
> you mingle with them. I hope these suggestions help.
> Arielle
>
> On 1/5/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I don't like the sitting with me part unless you build a relationship with
>> them first or they offer, but asking about the food is a good idea.  Also,
>> eat before you go so it is not necessary that you eat when you are there.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 8:42 PM
>> To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
>>
>> I think both of these are fine and are also great conversation starters.
>> Just try to get to know the person. If they are willing to help, odds are
>> they are also going to be willing to talk as well. If they don't want to
>> help, they're not worth hanging out with anyway.
>> JMT.
>>
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association
>> of
>> Guide Dog Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students Both
>> proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> "The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." - Arabian
>> proverb
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>> I'd really appreciate some advice.  I would really like to know what you
>>> do in big gatherings where you hardly know anyone.
>>> Two weeks ago I went to a friend's house because she was sponsoring an
>>> event where people could go up and share their writing.  There were about
>>> 100 people there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew about 3 of
>>> them.  I would normally have hung out with my friend (I prefer to hang
>>> out
>>> with an individual rather than a group), but since it was at her house
>>> last month, she had to tend to all the guests and make sure they had
>>> everything they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other snacks.  I
>>> found
>>> the kitchen easily because I heard people going in there, but I didn't
>>> know exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone where the pizza was
>>> and he got me a slice.  Then awhile later someone mentioned more food and
>>> I had had no idea that there was any.
>>> So my questions are:
>>> 1.  Is it okay to ask someone what all the food options are even if you
>>> hardly know them? Do you think that they would normally be willing to
>>> tell
>>> me?
>>> 2.  Can I ask that person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to hang
>>> out with, or do you think that's too akward?
>>> In the end everything turned out fine, but I'm just trying to get ideas
>>> so
>>> that I can feel more comfortable in future parties.
>>> I have the feeling that a lot of times people want to help but don't
>>> because they don't know what to do.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 04:29:35 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:29:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
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Thanks 
I am not sure if i should hire a reader because my school is not providing a reader for me 


Shikha. 

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve always had a reader so that I can participate fully in the labs. I find it necessary to get my hands on the labs to really see what in the world is going on. I also find that if I participate, my classmates do not treat me so much like the note taker. 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shikha,
>> By "reader", do you mean someone who describes the labs for you?
>> I am in chemistry this year as a high-school student.  I normally don't do the lab activities.  I have a partner and an aide in the class.  My partner will do the lab and both of them will describe it to me.  I then write the necessary data and also answer any supplemental questions if there are any.  While I would really enjoy doing the labs, I would miss key pieces of data.
>> HTH
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey
>> 
>> For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class.  Shikha.
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 04:56:39 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:56:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
Message-ID: <515DF395-9C82-4B64-9E59-B0482ACC177B@gmail.com>



Hey 


I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me see their essay.Shikha. 

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 05:32:33 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 00:32:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility with Spotify
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbcOMZBtu_gz5DNJurxCYOWK4aP=64H+CYrZzWoCe0uAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm attending a study abroad/service trip in Jamaica this summer, and
have just received my pre-trip course materials.  The syllabus states
that all participants will need to set up and use a Spotify account.
This is because there is required listening for the music therapy and
cultural diversity aspects of the training, and a lot of the songs we
need will be communicated to us through the facebook group we have to
ensure everyone has the same versions to learn from.

I know Spotify is not the most accessible program, and have already
tried it out myself.  I have had a lot of success with the app, but
I'm not thrilled about the idea of paying for the streaming services
to the mobile version if I don't have to.  Does anyone know of scripts
for Jaws which can be used with Spotify to make the accessibility
better?  (I've looked, so I'm hoping someone else knows something).

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 05:39:00 2015
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 00:39:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] openbook 9.0
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Hi Justin,

I use OpenBook 9.0 with JAWS 15 on a Windows 7 laptop, and everything
works fine. If you could describe the specific problem you are having
then perhaps we could be of more help.

Katie

On 1/5/15, Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can you write me off list and tell me what exactly it's doing? I cannot
> reproduce this.
>
> Hope Paulos
>
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon.  I've noticed that openbook 9.0 does not work with jaws
>> 15
>> or 16 on my laptop.  I have a windows 7 machine.  Does anyone no why?
>>
>> Thank you for any responses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Justin
>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 05:41:39 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 00:41:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] openbook 9.0
In-Reply-To: <CA+6VNgNdWC+6WJDEODb62miFyKt8aaOB5ZMj=arwiY=tYXagkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003201d02931$852a69b0$8f7f3d10$@gmail.com>	<076F9785-299A-417A-82AB-B620A95786FA@gmail.com>
	<CA+6VNgNdWC+6WJDEODb62miFyKt8aaOB5ZMj=arwiY=tYXagkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201d02973$71d0c6b0$55725410$@gmail.com>

It works now; thanks, your thoughts and efforts are most appreciated. I just
forgot about how the speech features worked, and I was advised to take a
look at them, turn them on, and then update it.  It worked. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Katie Wang via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 12:39 AM
To: Hope Paulos; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] openbook 9.0

Hi Justin,

I use OpenBook 9.0 with JAWS 15 on a Windows 7 laptop, and everything works
fine. If you could describe the specific problem you are having then perhaps
we could be of more help.

Katie

On 1/5/15, Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can you write me off list and tell me what exactly it's doing? I 
> cannot reproduce this.
>
> Hope Paulos
>
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon.  I've noticed that openbook 9.0 does not work with 
>> jaws
>> 15
>> or 16 on my laptop.  I have a windows 7 machine.  Does anyone no why?
>>
>> Thank you for any responses.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Justin
>>
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 10:38:26 2015
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 02:38:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <515DF395-9C82-4B64-9E59-B0482ACC177B@gmail.com>
References: <515DF395-9C82-4B64-9E59-B0482ACC177B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76BB2E68-ACEA-4C00-A5F9-C668A687A39F@gmail.com>

Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way. 
Alana 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hey 
> 
> 
> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me see their essay.Shikha. 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 12:26:16 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 07:26:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
Message-ID: <54abd47c.4601320a.2c38.2044@mx.google.com>

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er.=20=20Your=20
college=20really=20should=20be=20providing=20one=20for=20you--this=20is=20a=
=20
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h=20your=20
while=20talking=20to=20your=20disabled=20student=20services=20again=20(I'm=
=20not=20
sure=20how=20much=20of=20this=20you've=20already=20done).=20=20Also,=20if=20=
you're=20
considering=20hiring=20a=20reader,=20make=20sure=20you=20talk=20to=20your=20=
professor=20
and=20disabled=20student=20services=20about=20it=20before=20hand.=20=20Some=
=20schools=20
have=20rules=20against=20having=20assistants=20in=20the=20classroom=20that=
=20aren't=20
provided=20by=20the=20college.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Shikha=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20<blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=205=20Jan=202015=2023:29:35=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Chemistry=20help

Thanks
I=20am=20not=20sure=20if=20i=20should=20hire=20a=20reader=20because=20my=20=
school=20is=20not=20
providing=20a=20reader=20for=20me


Shikha.

=20On=20Jan=205,=202015,=20at=208:32=20PM,=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20
<blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>=20wrote:

=20I=E2=80=99ve=20always=20had=20a=20reader=20so=20that=20I=20can=20partici=
pate=20fully=20in=20
the=20labs.=20I=20find=20it=20necessary=20to=20get=20my=20hands=20on=20the=
=20labs=20to=20
really=20see=20what=20in=20the=20world=20is=20going=20on.=20I=20also=20find=
=20that=20if=20I=20
participate,=20my=20classmates=20do=20not=20treat=20me=20so=20much=20like=20=
the=20note=20
taker.
=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20and=20Seeing=20Eye=20Dog=20Dallas
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Guide=20Dog=20Users
=20Vice=20President,=20Ohio=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
=20Both=20proud=20divisions=20of=20the=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20=
Blind=20of=20
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=20Email:=20blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
=20The=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20knows=20that=20blindnes=
s=20is=20not=20
the=20characteristic=20that=20defines=20you=20or=20your=20future.=20Every=20=
day=20we=20
raise=20the=20expectations=20of=20blind=20people,=20because=20low=20expecta=
tions=20
create=20obstacles=20between=20blind=20people=20and=20our=20dreams.=20You=20=
can=20
live=20the=20life=20you=20want;=20blindness=20is=20not=20what=20holds=20you=
=20back.
=20=E2=80=9CThe=20wind=20of=20heaven=20is=20that=20which=20blows=20between=
=20a=20horse=E2=80=99s=20
ears.=E2=80=9D=20-=20Arabian=20proverb

=20On=20Jan=205,=202015,=20at=208:23=20PM,=20Vejas=20Vasiliauskas=20via=20n=
abs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Shikha,
=20By=20"reader",=20do=20you=20mean=20someone=20who=20describes=20the=20lab=
s=20for=20you?
=20I=20am=20in=20chemistry=20this=20year=20as=20a=20high-school=20student.=
=20=20I=20
normally=20don't=20do=20the=20lab=20activities.=20=20I=20have=20a=20partner=
=20and=20an=20
aide=20in=20the=20class.=20=20My=20partner=20will=20do=20the=20lab=20and=20=
both=20of=20them=20
will=20describe=20it=20to=20me.=20=20I=20then=20write=20the=20necessary=20d=
ata=20and=20also=20
answer=20any=20supplemental=20questions=20if=20there=20are=20any.=20=20Whil=
e=20I=20
would=20really=20enjoy=20doing=20the=20labs,=20I=20would=20miss=20key=20pie=
ces=20of=20
data.
=20HTH
=20Vejas


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Shikha=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.or=
g
=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=205=20Jan=202015=2019:50:02=20-0500
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Chemistry=20help



=20Hey

=20For=20chemestry=20labs=20did=20you=20use=20your=20lab=20partner=20to=20b=
e=20your=20
reader=20or=20did=20you=20hire=20a=20reader=20to=20assist=20you=20in=20your=
=20lab=20class.=20=20
Shikha.
=20_______________________________________________
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ccount=20
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=20
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=20tion%40gmail.com

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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 14:15:21 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 08:15:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <76BB2E68-ACEA-4C00-A5F9-C668A687A39F@gmail.com>
References: <515DF395-9C82-4B64-9E59-B0482ACC177B@gmail.com>
	<76BB2E68-ACEA-4C00-A5F9-C668A687A39F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>

Hi,
Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly the scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way. 
> Alana 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hey 
>> 
>> 
>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me see their essay.Shikha. 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 15:04:17 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 10:04:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see on the Nfb mailing lists
Message-ID: <54abf9a9.c9268c0a.5536.ffff8386@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

This year I'd like to see more written information  about the Nfb 
training centers national convention and the Washington seminar 
on all of these lists.  I would also like to see more about these 
events in our Nfb publications.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 15:16:56 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 07:16:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see on the Nfb mailing lists
In-Reply-To: <54abf9a9.c9268c0a.5536.ffff8386@mx.google.com>
References: <54abf9a9.c9268c0a.5536.ffff8386@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2B752822-179E-4E13-AB34-E95F9ED42E15@gmail.com>

 Good morning,
Much of the information you speak of is readily available on our website at: www.nfb.org   
Periodically information is made available by way of stories from training center graduates by way of our publications (found on our website).
Information about our training centers can also be obtained by way of our website or calling our national office (that information is also available on our website). 
Information about Washington seminar, or national convention, are resolutions, our legislative initiatives, banquet speeches, presidential releases , Our various list serves, list of national divisions and interest groups, state affiliates and a great deal more are also available on that website. 
It is likely easier for one to seek out the information they want then for such information to be posted via The list serves simply because there is so much information out there.
I hope this is helpful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members,
> 
> This year I'd like to see more written information  about the Nfb training centers national convention and the Washington seminar on all of these lists.  I would also like to see more about these events in our Nfb publications.
> 
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 16:33:04 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:33:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
References: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>

Shikha and anybody who may be interested...
First I want to make sure the scholarship you are applying is not the 
convention scholarship but the national scholarship. Finalists are 
invited and provided travel expanses to the national convention but the 
scholarship itself is for educational purpose not the attendance of 
convention
In this case, I am by no means an expert; only an experience of 
becoming a finalist once in 2013.
This essay was difficult as I was not sure how and what to talk about 
on my essay.
I ended up just being honest and myself. This sounds like such a cliche 
but this is the best way to communicate yourself. Of course a lot of 
proofreading and editing was involved. Also, it seems to be helpful if 
you can write about how NFB has shaped your life, experience, 
perspectives, etc. At the time I had not as much involvement with the 
NFB but I was still able to write something.
Best of luck to all who are applying!
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: Alana Leonhardy <alana.leonhardy at gmail.com>; National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 6:16 am
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship

Hi,
Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying 
for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply 
for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems 
to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly the 
scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way.
> Alana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey
>>
>>
>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I 
am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think 
anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me 
see their essay.Shikha.
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 16:40:08 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:40:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility with Spotify
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbcOMZBtu_gz5DNJurxCYOWK4aP=64H+CYrZzWoCe0uAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbcOMZBtu_gz5DNJurxCYOWK4aP=64H+CYrZzWoCe0uAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9iejxa=DgYhc738fs7AqXxoF5Bd4Y-mWYLxRBCieqSupw@mail.gmail.com>

Kaiti,

What are you trying to accomplish with Spotify exactly? The unpaid
versions of the program and the app have the same features so you
would be able to do anything with the mobile app that you would on the
program. There is a student discount where students only have to pay 5
dollars a month instead of the regular 10. You would need someone
sighted to help you sign up for Spotify premium because I tried
figuring it out myself and the site was not accessible at all.

Minh

On 1/6/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm attending a study abroad/service trip in Jamaica this summer, and
> have just received my pre-trip course materials.  The syllabus states
> that all participants will need to set up and use a Spotify account.
> This is because there is required listening for the music therapy and
> cultural diversity aspects of the training, and a lot of the songs we
> need will be communicated to us through the facebook group we have to
> ensure everyone has the same versions to learn from.
>
> I know Spotify is not the most accessible program, and have already
> tried it out myself.  I have had a lot of success with the app, but
> I'm not thrilled about the idea of paying for the streaming services
> to the mobile version if I don't have to.  Does anyone know of scripts
> for Jaws which can be used with Spotify to make the accessibility
> better?  (I've looked, so I'm hoping someone else knows something).
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 21:45:54 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 13:45:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
	<8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdxUDnCBoqfzkOUKaOdST4VoR+m68AaP_ayTUvQfB-KMYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I think that asking previous winners to share their essays can be
affective. I found that all essays I read were different, but they did
help me to narrow down some experiences that I wanted to include. I
would suggest that if you know previous winners personally to reach
out to them personally. I did this and reiterated that I would not
share their work but was just using it for reference to learn what a
successful essay reads like. If you do not know any previous
scholarship winners, reach out to your affiliate president; you will
be asking them for a letter of recommendation anyway, so establishing
the connection early if you haven't already is always a good idea.
Since they are the affiliate president, they likely know former
winners. You can also reach out to anyone on the committee. Patti
Chang is the chair person, and I am serving on the committee this year
as well. Finally, I know that numerous student divisions are hosting
scholarship conference calls facilitated by an committee member, so
keep an eye out for those announcements to get an opportunity to ask a
committee member your questions directly.

Cindy

On 1/6/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Shikha and anybody who may be interested...
> First I want to make sure the scholarship you are applying is not the
> convention scholarship but the national scholarship. Finalists are
> invited and provided travel expanses to the national convention but the
> scholarship itself is for educational purpose not the attendance of
> convention
> In this case, I am by no means an expert; only an experience of
> becoming a finalist once in 2013.
> This essay was difficult as I was not sure how and what to talk about
> on my essay.
> I ended up just being honest and myself. This sounds like such a cliche
> but this is the best way to communicate yourself. Of course a lot of
> proofreading and editing was involved. Also, it seems to be helpful if
> you can write about how NFB has shaped your life, experience,
> perspectives, etc. At the time I had not as much involvement with the
> NFB but I was still able to write something.
> Best of luck to all who are applying!
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: Alana Leonhardy <alana.leonhardy at gmail.com>; National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 6:16 am
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
>
> Hi,
> Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying
> for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply
> for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems
> to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly the
> scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way.
>> Alana
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey
>>>
>>>
>>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I
> am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think
> anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me
> see their essay.Shikha.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for nabs-l:
>>>
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>>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 22:01:53 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:01:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdxUDnCBoqfzkOUKaOdST4VoR+m68AaP_ayTUvQfB-KMYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
	<8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>
	<CACUFQdxUDnCBoqfzkOUKaOdST4VoR+m68AaP_ayTUvQfB-KMYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAUMAmKwybbbfmM+X1tuPBJya4w5wMHAhDAq__-bupcYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Just to clarify, there seem to be two scholarships in discussion. One
is the NFB national scholarship, awarded to 30 college students each
year. Each winner receives at least $3000 in addition to convention
expenses. Cindy is on the committee for that scholarship and Patti
Chang is the chairperson. The second is a convention-only scholarship,
which I think is what Shikha is applying for. This is a much newer
program so I don't know much about it. I don't think you have to be a
student to apply for this one, but there may be restrictions on how
many previous conventions you've attended. It would be good to talk to
your state president if you have any questions about the eligibility
criteria or what they are looking for.
Arielle

On 1/6/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think that asking previous winners to share their essays can be
> affective. I found that all essays I read were different, but they did
> help me to narrow down some experiences that I wanted to include. I
> would suggest that if you know previous winners personally to reach
> out to them personally. I did this and reiterated that I would not
> share their work but was just using it for reference to learn what a
> successful essay reads like. If you do not know any previous
> scholarship winners, reach out to your affiliate president; you will
> be asking them for a letter of recommendation anyway, so establishing
> the connection early if you haven't already is always a good idea.
> Since they are the affiliate president, they likely know former
> winners. You can also reach out to anyone on the committee. Patti
> Chang is the chair person, and I am serving on the committee this year
> as well. Finally, I know that numerous student divisions are hosting
> scholarship conference calls facilitated by an committee member, so
> keep an eye out for those announcements to get an opportunity to ask a
> committee member your questions directly.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 1/6/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Shikha and anybody who may be interested...
>> First I want to make sure the scholarship you are applying is not the
>> convention scholarship but the national scholarship. Finalists are
>> invited and provided travel expanses to the national convention but the
>> scholarship itself is for educational purpose not the attendance of
>> convention
>> In this case, I am by no means an expert; only an experience of
>> becoming a finalist once in 2013.
>> This essay was difficult as I was not sure how and what to talk about
>> on my essay.
>> I ended up just being honest and myself. This sounds like such a cliche
>> but this is the best way to communicate yourself. Of course a lot of
>> proofreading and editing was involved. Also, it seems to be helpful if
>> you can write about how NFB has shaped your life, experience,
>> perspectives, etc. At the time I had not as much involvement with the
>> NFB but I was still able to write something.
>> Best of luck to all who are applying!
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Alana Leonhardy <alana.leonhardy at gmail.com>; National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 6:16 am
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
>>
>> Hi,
>> Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying
>> for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply
>> for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems
>> to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly the
>> scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way.
>>> Alana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I
>> am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think
>> anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me
>> see their essay.Shikha.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for nabs-l:
>>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alana.leonhardy%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gloria.graves%40gmail.com
>>
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 22:46:23 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 17:46:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAUMAmKwybbbfmM+X1tuPBJya4w5wMHAhDAq__-bupcYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
	<8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>
	<CACUFQdxUDnCBoqfzkOUKaOdST4VoR+m68AaP_ayTUvQfB-KMYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJAUMAmKwybbbfmM+X1tuPBJya4w5wMHAhDAq__-bupcYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AF204DCB-7155-4441-99C6-70C1B92A8941@gmail.com>

If you are looking for resources for the national scholarship program, nfb.org/scholarships <http://nfb.org/scholarships> is a good place to go to see previous speeches in front of the board meeting by previous winners, as well as Patti Chang’s article on how to win an NFB scholarship. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Just to clarify, there seem to be two scholarships in discussion. One
> is the NFB national scholarship, awarded to 30 college students each
> year. Each winner receives at least $3000 in addition to convention
> expenses. Cindy is on the committee for that scholarship and Patti
> Chang is the chairperson. The second is a convention-only scholarship,
> which I think is what Shikha is applying for. This is a much newer
> program so I don't know much about it. I don't think you have to be a
> student to apply for this one, but there may be restrictions on how
> many previous conventions you've attended. It would be good to talk to
> your state president if you have any questions about the eligibility
> criteria or what they are looking for.
> Arielle
> 
> On 1/6/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think that asking previous winners to share their essays can be
>> affective. I found that all essays I read were different, but they did
>> help me to narrow down some experiences that I wanted to include. I
>> would suggest that if you know previous winners personally to reach
>> out to them personally. I did this and reiterated that I would not
>> share their work but was just using it for reference to learn what a
>> successful essay reads like. If you do not know any previous
>> scholarship winners, reach out to your affiliate president; you will
>> be asking them for a letter of recommendation anyway, so establishing
>> the connection early if you haven't already is always a good idea.
>> Since they are the affiliate president, they likely know former
>> winners. You can also reach out to anyone on the committee. Patti
>> Chang is the chair person, and I am serving on the committee this year
>> as well. Finally, I know that numerous student divisions are hosting
>> scholarship conference calls facilitated by an committee member, so
>> keep an eye out for those announcements to get an opportunity to ask a
>> committee member your questions directly.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>> On 1/6/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Shikha and anybody who may be interested...
>>> First I want to make sure the scholarship you are applying is not the
>>> convention scholarship but the national scholarship. Finalists are
>>> invited and provided travel expanses to the national convention but the
>>> scholarship itself is for educational purpose not the attendance of
>>> convention
>>> In this case, I am by no means an expert; only an experience of
>>> becoming a finalist once in 2013.
>>> This essay was difficult as I was not sure how and what to talk about
>>> on my essay.
>>> I ended up just being honest and myself. This sounds like such a cliche
>>> but this is the best way to communicate yourself. Of course a lot of
>>> proofreading and editing was involved. Also, it seems to be helpful if
>>> you can write about how NFB has shaped your life, experience,
>>> perspectives, etc. At the time I had not as much involvement with the
>>> NFB but I was still able to write something.
>>> Best of luck to all who are applying!
>>> Miso Kwak
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Alana Leonhardy <alana.leonhardy at gmail.com>; National Association
>>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 6:16 am
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying
>>> for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply
>>> for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems
>>> to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly the
>>> scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way.
>>>> Alana
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I
>>> am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think
>>> anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let me
>>> see their essay.Shikha.
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for nabs-l:
>>>>> 
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alana.leonhardy%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Cindy Bennett
>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> 
>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 23:10:54 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 18:10:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft: add a native,
	fully functional screen reader to windows 10
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9evA8CEGz+kPE6DzK0qtwYuV6stPrwam2A_YXhumHXy=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
here is a new petition started on change.org
I think we need to support it and spread out it.
Our goal is to reach 500 signatures and we need more support. You can
read more and sign the petition here:
https://www.change.org/p/microsoft-add-a-native-fully-functional-screen-reader-to-windows-10?recruiter=45297649&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive
Thanks!
elif


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 23:15:22 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 15:15:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentorship Program for Blind Students!
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzO=eZiRsQsPjDvO5qR3tNrQRjgVc34u5TSAeZ8qM99qA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Are you just beginning college or new to navigating school as a blind
student? I am a part of a great mentorship program that Learning Ally
is piloting. We are looking for more students to take part in our
program. Read the announcement below and email the contact with the
answers to the questions if this opportunity sounds like it would
benefit you.

Learning Ally is developing supports for students who are blind or
visually impaired and are just beginning in college or still need some
support to successfully navigate in college. We need students who are
willing to speak to a mentor at least once, to discuss in a honest
manner, the successes and challenges you are facing right now. The
mentors are blind or visually impaired, working on post graduate
degrees or just beginning their careers and excited to be able to
share their strategies for success.

If this sounds like something you are willing to help with, email Mary
Alexander at mAlexander at learningally.org  and let us know the
following about you:

*Full Name:

*Email address:
*Best Phone number:

*School attending:

*Field of Study or major:

*What is your visual acuity, (are you blind or low vision?)

*Braille, large print or audio only user:


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan  6 23:56:35 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 18:56:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAUMAmKwybbbfmM+X1tuPBJya4w5wMHAhDAq__-bupcYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8334CA32-5236-4676-BA50-77D002730E59@gmail.com>
	<8D1F7E594384B77-9940-BCA69@webmail-vm001.sysops.aol.com>
	<CACUFQdxUDnCBoqfzkOUKaOdST4VoR+m68AaP_ayTUvQfB-KMYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJAUMAmKwybbbfmM+X1tuPBJya4w5wMHAhDAq__-bupcYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f101d02a0c$6788ff30$369afd90$@gmail.com>

Arielle and All,

There is a scholarship specifically for people attending their first
national convention. This is called the Kenneth Jernigan Scholarship and is
open to anyone, student or nonstudent. The only requirement is that an
applicant is planning to attend their first convention in 2015. Check
nfb.org for information on this.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 5:02 PM
To: Cindy Bennett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship

Hi all,
Just to clarify, there seem to be two scholarships in discussion. One is the
NFB national scholarship, awarded to 30 college students each year. Each
winner receives at least $3000 in addition to convention expenses. Cindy is
on the committee for that scholarship and Patti Chang is the chairperson.
The second is a convention-only scholarship, which I think is what Shikha is
applying for. This is a much newer program so I don't know much about it. I
don't think you have to be a student to apply for this one, but there may be
restrictions on how many previous conventions you've attended. It would be
good to talk to your state president if you have any questions about the
eligibility criteria or what they are looking for.
Arielle

On 1/6/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think that asking previous winners to share their essays can be 
> affective. I found that all essays I read were different, but they did 
> help me to narrow down some experiences that I wanted to include. I 
> would suggest that if you know previous winners personally to reach 
> out to them personally. I did this and reiterated that I would not 
> share their work but was just using it for reference to learn what a 
> successful essay reads like. If you do not know any previous 
> scholarship winners, reach out to your affiliate president; you will 
> be asking them for a letter of recommendation anyway, so establishing 
> the connection early if you haven't already is always a good idea.
> Since they are the affiliate president, they likely know former 
> winners. You can also reach out to anyone on the committee. Patti 
> Chang is the chair person, and I am serving on the committee this year 
> as well. Finally, I know that numerous student divisions are hosting 
> scholarship conference calls facilitated by an committee member, so 
> keep an eye out for those announcements to get an opportunity to ask a 
> committee member your questions directly.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 1/6/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Shikha and anybody who may be interested...
>> First I want to make sure the scholarship you are applying is not the 
>> convention scholarship but the national scholarship. Finalists are 
>> invited and provided travel expanses to the national convention but 
>> the scholarship itself is for educational purpose not the attendance 
>> of convention In this case, I am by no means an expert; only an 
>> experience of becoming a finalist once in 2013.
>> This essay was difficult as I was not sure how and what to talk about 
>> on my essay.
>> I ended up just being honest and myself. This sounds like such a 
>> cliche but this is the best way to communicate yourself. Of course a 
>> lot of proofreading and editing was involved. Also, it seems to be 
>> helpful if you can write about how NFB has shaped your life, 
>> experience, perspectives, etc. At the time I had not as much 
>> involvement with the NFB but I was still able to write something.
>> Best of luck to all who are applying!
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Alana Leonhardy <alana.leonhardy at gmail.com>; National Association 
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 6:16 am
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB national convention scholarship
>>
>> Hi,
>> Would you also send it to me as well because I also will be applying 
>> for the scholarship. I will be a grad student I want to try to apply 
>> for as many scholarships as possible and the scholarship always seems 
>> to be one of the harder ones when it comes to knowing what exactly 
>> the scholarship committee is looking for an NSA. Thank you so much
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure. If I can locate it, I'll send it your way.
>>> Alana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 20:56, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am applying for the NFB National convention scholarship again. I
>> am having a little bit of trouble writing the essay. Do you think 
>> anyone that has one the NFB national convention scholarship can let 
>> me see their essay.Shikha.
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> and Engineering
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Wed Jan  7 00:04:43 2015
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 19:04:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentorship Program for Blind Students!
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Hi
Can people in ha apply?
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:15 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Are you just beginning college or new to navigating school as a blind
> student? I am a part of a great mentorship program that Learning Ally
> is piloting. We are looking for more students to take part in our
> program. Read the announcement below and email the contact with the
> answers to the questions if this opportunity sounds like it would
> benefit you.
> 
> Learning Ally is developing supports for students who are blind or
> visually impaired and are just beginning in college or still need some
> support to successfully navigate in college. We need students who are
> willing to speak to a mentor at least once, to discuss in a honest
> manner, the successes and challenges you are facing right now. The
> mentors are blind or visually impaired, working on post graduate
> degrees or just beginning their careers and excited to be able to
> share their strategies for success.
> 
> If this sounds like something you are willing to help with, email Mary
> Alexander at mAlexander at learningally.org  and let us know the
> following about you:
> 
> *Full Name:
> 
> *Email address:
> *Best Phone number:
> 
> *School attending:
> 
> *Field of Study or major:
> 
> *What is your visual acuity, (are you blind or low vision?)
> 
> *Braille, large print or audio only user:
> 
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
> 
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 03:20:22 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 19:20:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] What I want to see on the Nfb mailing lists
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Hi Roanna,
I agree with Darian about checking the NFB website and searching for
the info you want. I've also noticed you've posted a lot about
independence and training centers. I'm not sure if you've talked about
this before, but might you be interested in considering a course of
training at one of our three centers to build on your independence? I
might suggest calling one or more of the centers to learn about what
the program is like. I'm sure former center students would also be
happy to share their experiences with you.
Best, Arielle

On 1/6/15, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Good morning,
> Much of the information you speak of is readily available on our website at:
> www.nfb.org
> Periodically information is made available by way of stories from training
> center graduates by way of our publications (found on our website).
> Information about our training centers can also be obtained by way of our
> website or calling our national office (that information is also available
> on our website).
> Information about Washington seminar, or national convention, are
> resolutions, our legislative initiatives, banquet speeches, presidential
> releases , Our various list serves, list of national divisions and interest
> groups, state affiliates and a great deal more are also available on that
> website.
> It is likely easier for one to seek out the information they want then for
> such information to be posted via The list serves simply because there is so
> much information out there.
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Members,
>>
>> This year I'd like to see more written information  about the Nfb training
>> centers national convention and the Washington seminar on all of these
>> lists.  I would also like to see more about these events in our Nfb
>> publications.
>>
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 11:56:05 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 06:56:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
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OK, I am going to try to answer several things here. 
First, I do use the Bunsen burner independently. I also wear goggles. You don’t want those chemicals anywhere near your eyes, even if you can’t see. 
Second, if you are in high school, the school should definitely be providing assistance. If you are in college and they are not, you can ask voc rehab to help as well, especially since it could be a bit of a financial burden to continually pay for the reader if you are on SSI. I say reader very broadly: reader in this case also means lab assistant. 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
“The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:26 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Technically what you need is a lab assistant not a reader.  Your college really should be providing one for you--this is a reasonable accommodation under the ADA.  It might be worth your while talking to your disabled student services again (I'm not sure how much of this you've already done).  Also, if you're considering hiring a reader, make sure you talk to your professor and disabled student services about it before hand.  Some schools have rules against having assistants in the classroom that aren't provided by the college.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 23:29:35 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
> 
> Thanks
> I am not sure if i should hire a reader because my school is not providing a reader for me
> 
> 
> Shikha.
> 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:32 PM, Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I’ve always had a reader so that I can participate fully in the labs. I find it necessary to get my hands on the labs to really see what in the world is going on. I also find that if I participate, my classmates do not treat me so much like the note taker.
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
> 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shikha,
> By "reader", do you mean someone who describes the labs for you?
> I am in chemistry this year as a high-school student.  I normally don't do the lab activities.  I have a partner and an aide in the class.  My partner will do the lab and both of them will describe it to me.  I then write the necessary data and also answer any supplemental questions if there are any.  While I would really enjoy doing the labs, I would miss key pieces of data.
> HTH
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 19:50:02 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
> 
> 
> 
> Hey
> 
> For chemestry labs did you use your lab partner to be your reader or did you hire a reader to assist you in your lab class.  Shikha.
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 17:35:15 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 12:35:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
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Dear Members,

As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself 
without assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for 
myself by sending out introduction emails to my professors before 
classes begin.  I think self advocacy is important because it 
allows us to become more independent as blind students.  I'd like 
to hear stories about how you've advocated for yourselves.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Jan  7 19:26:57 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:26:57 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
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Hello Roanna,
	I’m not really sure how much to say; however, I certainly do agree. Self-advocacy is the difference between success and failure, both in life and at the University. With that said, here is a list of things which I do at the University, in order to be an independent advocator:
1)	I always attempt to establish a connection and meeting with my professors before the semester starts. I introduce myself in an email, let them know my level of vision, and request a meeting. When we meet, we discuss their personal classroom etiquette and expectations, the accommodations which I might need etc. I have never had a situation where a professor was unwilling to work with me within reason (the only times I’ve witnessed professors acting ablest was when the student went over their head). Professors are people too and have feelings.
2)	I always try to gather my books before the semester starts, be that via the DSS office or by requesting them from book share. In the case of requesting from book share, I recognize that it takes a while for books to be available; therefore, I always find out what books I need well in advance, then I request them. Book share can take any ware from a week to four months, depending on the difficulty of the book (logic, math and other visual fields have no descriptions or formula, at least from the discussion I’ve had with book share’s representatives).
3)	I always take time to find out where my classes are located. This is a small thing, but doing so ensures that I can be confident on the first day of class. In class communication with others is heavily reliant upon ones confidence; thus, if you are able to be confident from the start, then you can make friends quicker.
I’m not really sure what else to add off the top of my head; I hope this is adequate. If I remember anything else, I’ll send another email.
Respectfully,
Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Dear Members,

As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself
without assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for
myself by sending out introduction emails to my professors before
classes begin.  I think self advocacy is important because it
allows us to become more independent as blind students.  I'd like
to hear stories about how you've advocated for yourselves.

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 19:59:41 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 14:59:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
Message-ID: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>

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=20in=20
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=20books=20
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=20and=20the=20
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=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Roanna=20Bacchus=20<rbacchus228 at gmail.com>,=20"National=20Association=
=20
of=20BlindStudents=20mailing=20list"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=207=20Jan=202015=2019:26:57=20+0000
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20import=20of=20Self-advocacy

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=20
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=20
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=20starts,=20
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of=20
the=20book=20(logic,=20math=20and=20other=20visual=20fields=20have=20no=20
descriptions=20or=20formula,=20at=20least=20from=20the=20discussion=20I=92v=
e=20
had=20with=20book=20share=92s=20representatives).
3)=09I=20always=20take=20time=20to=20find=20out=20where=20my=20classes=20ar=
e=20located.=20
This=20is=20a=20small=20thing,=20but=20doing=20so=20ensures=20that=20I=20ca=
n=20be=20
confident=20on=20the=20first=20day=20of=20class.=20In=20class=20communicati=
on=20
with=20others=20is=20heavily=20reliant=20upon=20ones=20confidence;=20thus,=
=20
if=20you=20are=20able=20to=20be=20confident=20from=20the=20start,=20then=20=
you=20can=20
make=20friends=20quicker.
I=92m=20not=20really=20sure=20what=20else=20to=20add=20off=20the=20top=20of=
=20my=20head;=20I=20
hope=20this=20is=20adequate.=20If=20I=20remember=20anything=20else,=20I=92l=
l=20send=20
another=20email.
Respectfully,
Michael
________________________________________
From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20Roanna=20=

Bacchus=20via=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent:=20Wednesday,=20January=2007,=202015=209:35=20AM
To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20The=20import=20of=20Self-advocacy

Dear=20Members,

As=20a=20blind=20college=20student=20I've=20had=20to=20advocate=20for=20mys=
elf
without=20assistance=20from=20others.=20=20Each=20semester=20I=20advocate=20=
for
myself=20by=20sending=20out=20introduction=20emails=20to=20my=20professors=
=20before
classes=20begin.=20=20I=20think=20self=20advocacy=20is=20important=20becaus=
e=20it
allows=20us=20to=20become=20more=20independent=20as=20blind=20students.=20=
=20I'd=20like
to=20hear=20stories=20about=20how=20you've=20advocated=20for=20yourselves.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 20:03:57 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:03:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
In-Reply-To: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
References: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <01ac01d02ab5$124a70e0$36df52a0$@gmail.com>

Because technically, if the professor does not have it in writing that =
you
have a disability, they are not obligated to make any accommodations. =
Not
that as a decent human being they won't if your disability is obvious, =
but
in order for both parties to be in compliance, and even to protect the
professor  as well as yourself, some written form of communication is
technically required.=20


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:00 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing =
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

I'm a bit curious about why you guys contact your professors before the
first class.  I've done that with a few classes where the professor =
needed
to do a lot to make things accessible or where I needed to get =
specialized
materials in advance--lab sciences, geography, German, fencing, symbolic
logic--but I've always just gone up to ordinary humanities and social
science professors at the end of class on the first day.  It never =
really
occurred to me that the things I was asking for--handouts in accessible
format, permission to take notes with my apex, taking exams at dss--were
anything that were that big a deal.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but =
I've
never had any blindness related problems with a professor.  Getting =
books
has been challenging sometimes, but that has to do with publishers not
professors.  I definitely agree with Michael that it's important to =
order
books well in advance and plan for those hard to adapt classes like lab
sciences.  Going and finding my classrooms ahead of time is also =
something
I usually do though if I know the layout of a building well I usually =
just
go find the specific class on the day of.  I also try to be early the =
first
couple classes so I can go in the room and find a seat while most seats =
are
still open instead of doing that awkward thing where we wander around
trying to find the one empty chair in a full room.  The other thing I =
think
is really important is having a good relationship with DSS.  That =
includes
the director and specialists like the person in charge of getting books =
and
also the secretary if there is one and the student workers.  They all =
those
people can be really helpful to you if you have a good relationship with
them.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 7 Jan =
2015
19:26:57 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Hello Roanna,
	I=92m not really sure how much to say; however, I certainly do agree.
Self-advocacy is the difference between success and failure, both in =
life
and at the University. With that said, here is a list of things which I =
do
at the University, in order to be an independent advocator:
1)	I always attempt to establish a connection and meeting with=20
my professors before the semester starts. I introduce myself in an =
email,
let them know my level of vision, and request a meeting. When we meet, =
we
discuss their personal classroom etiquette and expectations, the
accommodations which I might need etc. I have never had a situation =
where a
professor was unwilling to work with me within reason (the only times =
I=92ve
witnessed professors acting ablest was when the student went over their
head). Professors are people too and have feelings.
2)	I always try to gather my books before the semester starts,=20
be that via the DSS office or by requesting them from book share. In the
case of requesting from book share, I recognize that it takes a while =
for
books to be available; therefore, I always find out what books I need =
well
in advance, then I request them. Book share can take any ware from a =
week
to four months, depending on the difficulty of the book (logic, math and
other visual fields have no descriptions or formula, at least from the
discussion I=92ve had with book share=92s representatives).
3)	I always take time to find out where my classes are located.=20
This is a small thing, but doing so ensures that I can be confident on =
the
first day of class. In class communication with others is heavily =
reliant
upon ones confidence; thus, if you are able to be confident from the =
start,
then you can make friends quicker.
I=92m not really sure what else to add off the top of my head; I hope =
this is
adequate. If I remember anything else, I=92ll send another email.
Respectfully,
Michael
________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Bacchus via
nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Dear Members,

As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself without
assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for myself by sending =
out
introduction emails to my professors before classes begin.  I think self
advocacy is important because it allows us to become more independent as
blind students.  I'd like to hear stories about how you've advocated for
yourselves.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 20:05:00 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:05:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
In-Reply-To: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
References: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <01ad01d02ab5$37efe460$a7cfad20$@gmail.com>

The extent of your disability does not have to be disclosed, but the =
office
for student disability has to vouch for the fact that you have a =
disability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:00 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing =
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

I'm a bit curious about why you guys contact your professors before the
first class.  I've done that with a few classes where the professor =
needed
to do a lot to make things accessible or where I needed to get =
specialized
materials in advance--lab sciences, geography, German, fencing, symbolic
logic--but I've always just gone up to ordinary humanities and social
science professors at the end of class on the first day.  It never =
really
occurred to me that the things I was asking for--handouts in accessible
format, permission to take notes with my apex, taking exams at dss--were
anything that were that big a deal.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but =
I've
never had any blindness related problems with a professor.  Getting =
books
has been challenging sometimes, but that has to do with publishers not
professors.  I definitely agree with Michael that it's important to =
order
books well in advance and plan for those hard to adapt classes like lab
sciences.  Going and finding my classrooms ahead of time is also =
something
I usually do though if I know the layout of a building well I usually =
just
go find the specific class on the day of.  I also try to be early the =
first
couple classes so I can go in the room and find a seat while most seats =
are
still open instead of doing that awkward thing where we wander around
trying to find the one empty chair in a full room.  The other thing I =
think
is really important is having a good relationship with DSS.  That =
includes
the director and specialists like the person in charge of getting books =
and
also the secretary if there is one and the student workers.  They all =
those
people can be really helpful to you if you have a good relationship with
them.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 7 Jan =
2015
19:26:57 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Hello Roanna,
	I=92m not really sure how much to say; however, I certainly do agree.
Self-advocacy is the difference between success and failure, both in =
life
and at the University. With that said, here is a list of things which I =
do
at the University, in order to be an independent advocator:
1)	I always attempt to establish a connection and meeting with=20
my professors before the semester starts. I introduce myself in an =
email,
let them know my level of vision, and request a meeting. When we meet, =
we
discuss their personal classroom etiquette and expectations, the
accommodations which I might need etc. I have never had a situation =
where a
professor was unwilling to work with me within reason (the only times =
I=92ve
witnessed professors acting ablest was when the student went over their
head). Professors are people too and have feelings.
2)	I always try to gather my books before the semester starts,=20
be that via the DSS office or by requesting them from book share. In the
case of requesting from book share, I recognize that it takes a while =
for
books to be available; therefore, I always find out what books I need =
well
in advance, then I request them. Book share can take any ware from a =
week
to four months, depending on the difficulty of the book (logic, math and
other visual fields have no descriptions or formula, at least from the
discussion I=92ve had with book share=92s representatives).
3)	I always take time to find out where my classes are located.=20
This is a small thing, but doing so ensures that I can be confident on =
the
first day of class. In class communication with others is heavily =
reliant
upon ones confidence; thus, if you are able to be confident from the =
start,
then you can make friends quicker.
I=92m not really sure what else to add off the top of my head; I hope =
this is
adequate. If I remember anything else, I=92ll send another email.
Respectfully,
Michael
________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Bacchus via
nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Dear Members,

As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself without
assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for myself by sending =
out
introduction emails to my professors before classes begin.  I think self
advocacy is important because it allows us to become more independent as
blind students.  I'd like to hear stories about how you've advocated for
yourselves.

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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Jan  7 22:59:00 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:59:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
In-Reply-To: <54ad6e8e.0e2c320a.3870.60df@mx.google.com>
References: <54ad6e8e.0e2c320a.3870.60df@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avdXKokAM-SmBqCxLinoXSEw6oLoTSHK5NCeq9EsUfmQZA@mail.gmail.com>

I also send out emails to all my professors in advance of the semester. I
will also try  to meet with them before class starts.

I meet with classroom maintenance to run extension cords to my seat. I use
a portabel cctv camera connected to my laptop and it kills the battery.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 10:35 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Members,
>
> As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself without
> assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for myself by sending out
> introduction emails to my professors before classes begin.  I think self
> advocacy is important because it allows us to become more independent as
> blind students.  I'd like to hear stories about how you've advocated for
> yourselves.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Jan  7 23:03:43 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:03:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
In-Reply-To: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
References: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avdmtB07XV0q1K0XTYLn49RCvsotrOYaRT+qwiiVT7xn3g@mail.gmail.com>

I find emailing/meeting with professors in advance extremely helpful. For
one, you find out the text well in advance of when it is available to other
students. I ask for the syllabus that way if DSS is going to take too long
I have them do chapter in the order we will be reading them. Because I have
partial vision and use a cctv or monocular to see the board letting the
professor know in advance ensures they take care t use pens I can see. I
also get the power points being used prior to the first day. There are also
several student taking with the professor after the first class so I find
being proactive a better approach.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I'm a bit curious about why you guys contact your professors before the
> first class.  I've done that with a few classes where the professor needed
> to do a lot to make things accessible or where I needed to get specialized
> materials in advance--lab sciences, geography, German, fencing, symbolic
> logic--but I've always just gone up to ordinary humanities and social
> science professors at the end of class on the first day.  It never really
> occurred to me that the things I was asking for--handouts in accessible
> format, permission to take notes with my apex, taking exams at dss--were
> anything that were that big a deal.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've
> never had any blindness related problems with a professor.  Getting books
> has been challenging sometimes, but that has to do with publishers not
> professors.  I definitely agree with Michael that it's important to order
> books well in advance and plan for those hard to adapt classes like lab
> sciences.  Going and finding my classrooms ahead of time is also something
> I usually do though if I know the layout of a building well I usually just
> go find the specific class on the day of.  I also try to be early the first
> couple classes so I can go in the room and find a seat while most seats are
> still open instead of doing that awkward thing where we wander around
> trying to find the one empty chair in a full room.  The other thing I think
> is really important is having a good relationship with DSS.  That includes
> the director and specialists like the person in charge of getting books and
> also the secretary if there is one and the student workers.  They all those
> people can be really helpful to you if you have a good relationship with
> them.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
> BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:26:57 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
>
> Hello Roanna,
>         I뭢 not really sure how much to say; however, I certainly do agree.
> Self-advocacy is the difference between success and failure, both in life
> and at the University. With that said, here is a list of things which I do
> at the University, in order to be an independent advocator:
> 1)      I always attempt to establish a connection and meeting with my
> professors before the semester starts. I introduce myself in an email, let
> them know my level of vision, and request a meeting. When we meet, we
> discuss their personal classroom etiquette and expectations, the
> accommodations which I might need etc. I have never had a situation where a
> professor was unwilling to work with me within reason (the only times I뭭e
> witnessed professors acting ablest was when the student went over their
> head). Professors are people too and have feelings.
> 2)      I always try to gather my books before the semester starts, be
> that via the DSS office or by requesting them from book share. In the case
> of requesting from book share, I recognize that it takes a while for books
> to be available; therefore, I always find out what books I need well in
> advance, then I request them. Book share can take any ware from a week to
> four months, depending on the difficulty of the book (logic, math and other
> visual fields have no descriptions or formula, at least from the discussion
> I뭭e had with book share뭩 representatives).
> 3)      I always take time to find out where my classes are located. This
> is a small thing, but doing so ensures that I can be confident on the first
> day of class. In class communication with others is heavily reliant upon
> ones confidence; thus, if you are able to be confident from the start, then
> you can make friends quicker.
> I뭢 not really sure what else to add off the top of my head; I hope this is
> adequate. If I remember anything else, I뭠l send another email.
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Bacchus via
> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
>
> Dear Members,
>
> As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself
> without assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for
> myself by sending out introduction emails to my professors before
> classes begin.  I think self advocacy is important because it
> allows us to become more independent as blind students.  I'd like
> to hear stories about how you've advocated for yourselves.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 03:07:18 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 22:07:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy
In-Reply-To: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
References: <54ad9044.ca126b0a.27c7.4a53@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <014f01d02af0$36841d90$a38c58b0$@gmail.com>

Carl,

Though I am still in high school, I use many of the same strategies
mentioned by the college students who have participated in this thread,
including contacting my teachers ahead of time. For me, it's a matter of
being proactive. Though you may not think your accomodations are a big
deal, they may be for a professor who has never had a blind student and =
is
not used to the flexibility required of someone who has a blind student =
in
his/her class. I also try to respect the fact that a teacher may be =
nervous
about having me in their class because it is something they are not used
to. I have found, therefore, that some communication with my teachers
before the start of a class (most effectively in person) can help to =
ease
any anxiety they might have. It also gives them the opportunity to =
properly
prepare for making any accomodations necessary. Overall, I have found my
rapport with teachers to be better if I communicate with them ahead of =
time
than if I don't.

Just my thoughts,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 3:00 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing =
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

I'm a bit curious about why you guys contact your professors before the
first class.  I've done that with a few classes where the professor =
needed
to do a lot to make things accessible or where I needed to get =
specialized
materials in advance--lab sciences, geography, German, fencing, symbolic
logic--but I've always just gone up to ordinary humanities and social
science professors at the end of class on the first day.  It never =
really
occurred to me that the things I was asking for--handouts in accessible
format, permission to take notes with my apex, taking exams at dss--were
anything that were that big a deal.  Maybe I've just been lucky, but =
I've
never had any blindness related problems with a professor.  Getting =
books
has been challenging sometimes, but that has to do with publishers not
professors.  I definitely agree with Michael that it's important to =
order
books well in advance and plan for those hard to adapt classes like lab
sciences.  Going and finding my classrooms ahead of time is also =
something
I usually do though if I know the layout of a building well I usually =
just
go find the specific class on the day of.  I also try to be early the =
first
couple classes so I can go in the room and find a seat while most seats =
are
still open instead of doing that awkward thing where we wander around
trying to find the one empty chair in a full room.  The other thing I =
think
is really important is having a good relationship with DSS.  That =
includes
the director and specialists like the person in charge of getting books =
and
also the secretary if there is one and the student workers.  They all =
those
people can be really helpful to you if you have a good relationship with
them.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 7 Jan =
2015
19:26:57 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Hello Roanna,
	I=92m not really sure how much to say; however, I certainly do agree.
Self-advocacy is the difference between success and failure, both in =
life
and at the University. With that said, here is a list of things which I =
do
at the University, in order to be an independent advocator:
1)	I always attempt to establish a connection and meeting with=20
my professors before the semester starts. I introduce myself in an =
email,
let them know my level of vision, and request a meeting. When we meet, =
we
discuss their personal classroom etiquette and expectations, the
accommodations which I might need etc. I have never had a situation =
where a
professor was unwilling to work with me within reason (the only times =
I=92ve
witnessed professors acting ablest was when the student went over their
head). Professors are people too and have feelings.
2)	I always try to gather my books before the semester starts,=20
be that via the DSS office or by requesting them from book share. In the
case of requesting from book share, I recognize that it takes a while =
for
books to be available; therefore, I always find out what books I need =
well
in advance, then I request them. Book share can take any ware from a =
week
to four months, depending on the difficulty of the book (logic, math and
other visual fields have no descriptions or formula, at least from the
discussion I=92ve had with book share=92s representatives).
3)	I always take time to find out where my classes are located.=20
This is a small thing, but doing so ensures that I can be confident on =
the
first day of class. In class communication with others is heavily =
reliant
upon ones confidence; thus, if you are able to be confident from the =
start,
then you can make friends quicker.
I=92m not really sure what else to add off the top of my head; I hope =
this is
adequate. If I remember anything else, I=92ll send another email.
Respectfully,
Michael
________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Roanna Bacchus via
nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:35 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The import of Self-advocacy

Dear Members,

As a blind college student I've had to advocate for myself without
assistance from others.  Each semester I advocate for myself by sending =
out
introduction emails to my professors before classes begin.  I think self
advocacy is important because it allows us to become more independent as
blind students.  I'd like to hear stories about how you've advocated for
yourselves.

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From ALewis at nfb.org  Thu Jan  8 16:36:02 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 16:36:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Third Call for Applicants: Youth in Int'l Development
 & Foreign Affairs internships
In-Reply-To: <04db01d02b5e$57743c60$065cb520$@usicd.org>
References: <1119695707422.1102973772183.1250.0.231232JL.1002@scheduler.constantcontact.com>
	<04db01d02b5e$57743c60$065cb520$@usicd.org>
Message-ID: <DM2PR0701MB10181BEA887885441871F281C1470@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

FYI

THIRD CALL FOR APPLICANTS

 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program
The summer 2015 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program remains open for applications until January 28, 2015.

The United States International Council on Disabilities (USICD) launched its internship program in 2013.  USICD's internship program is geared for youth with disabilities from across the U.S. who are interested in careers in international development or foreign affairs.

The summer 2015 internship program will bring a group of talented graduate students, recent graduates, and rising juniors and seniors with disabilities to Washington, DC, for nine weeks.  This will include a one-week training and orientation program followed by an eight-week internship at an international organization in the Washington, DC, area.  USICD will cover the cost of fully-accessible housing during the program, reimburse travel expenses to and from DC, and provide a limited stipend.  It is anticipated that the program will run from May 24 to July 25, 2015. These dates may be subject to change.

Applicants must be U.S. citizens, must identify as a person with a disability, and must be either a student or a recent graduate with either a bachelor's degree or a graduate degree ("recent graduates" graduated between spring 2014 and spring 2015). Applications are accepted from candidates up to age 30.  In limited circumstances (for example, U.S. veterans), some candidates may be eligible up to age 35.

To  learn more about the Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program, its eligibility criteria, and the application process, please visit http://usicd.org/template/page.cfm?id=257.  You can also download a printable handout on the internship program.
Please disseminate this announcement among students and recent graduates who may be interested.  If you represent an international organization in the Washington, DC, metropolitan area interested in hosting an intern from June 1 to July 24, 2015, please communicate with internships at usicd.org.
USICD thanks the Mitsubishi Electric America Foundation for their support for this initiative.
Application deadline for USICD's summer 2015 internship program is January 28, 2015.







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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 12:03:19 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 04:03:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] social strategies at parties
In-Reply-To: <000201d02954$8308fb60$891af220$@gmail.com>
References: <54ab3c9c.ad5a460a.1806.79fe@mx.google.com>
	<DE82F4FA-A485-404D-A8D1-6A463B8BF721@gmail.com>
	<000201d02954$8308fb60$891af220$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.192.1772982280.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, all,

Isn't a feature of many social happenings to eat 
together? what, then, might be fun of eating 
before coming, like some kind of helping staff?
Not my idea of a good time, that's for sure.At 
06:00 PM 1/5/2015, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>I don't like the sitting with me part unless you 
>build a relationship with them first or they 
>offer, but asking about the food is a good 
>idea.  Also, eat before you go so it is not 
>necessary that you eat when you are there. 
>-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l Sent: Monday, January 
>05, 2015 8:42 PM To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; 
>National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] social strategies at 
>parties I think both of these are fine and are 
>also great conversation starters. Just try to 
>get to know the person. If they are willing to 
>help, odds are they are also going to be willing 
>to talk as well. If they don’t want to help, 
>they’re not worth hanging out with anyway. 
>JMT. Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
>Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog 
>Users Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind 
>Students Both proud divisions of the National 
>Federation of the Blind of Ohio Email: 
>blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com 
><mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> The National 
>Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is 
>not the characteristic that defines you or your 
>future. Every day we raise the expectations of 
>blind people, because low expectations create 
>obstacles between blind people and our dreams. 
>You can live the life you want; blindness is not 
>what holds you back. “The wind of heaven is 
>that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - 
>Arabian proverb > On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:37 PM, 
>Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Hi All, > I'd 
>really appreciate some advice.  I would really 
>like to know what you do in big gatherings where 
>you hardly know anyone. > Two weeks ago I went 
>to a friend's house because she was sponsoring 
>an event where people could go up and share 
>their writing.  There were about 100 people 
>there, mostly from my high school.  I only knew 
>about 3 of them.  I would normally have hung out 
>with my friend (I prefer to hang out with an 
>individual rather than a group), but since it 
>was at her house last month, she had to tend to 
>all the guests and make sure they had everything 
>they needed.  At dinner we had pizza and other 
>snacks.  I found the kitchen easily because I 
>heard people going in there, but I didn't know 
>exactly where all the food was.  I asked someone 
>where the pizza was and he got me a slice.  Then 
>awhile later someone mentioned more food and I 
>had had no idea that there was any. > So my 
>questions are: > 1.  Is it okay to ask someone 
>what all the food options are even if you hardly 
>know them? Do you think that they would normally 
>be willing to tell me? > 2.  Can I ask that 
>person to sit with me if I don't have anyone to 
>hang out with, or do you think that's too 
>akward? > In the end everything turned out fine, 
>but I'm just trying to get ideas so that I can 
>feel more comfortable in future parties. > I 
>have the feeling that a lot of times people want 
>to help but don't because they don't know what 
>to do. > Thanks, > Vejas > > 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 23:52:49 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 15:52:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually
Message-ID: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I use JAWS and mostly IE and Firefox. Do any of you have strategies
for downloading images that appear as search results nonvisually? I
always verify whether the image is oriented and sized correctly, but
one thing I would like to do is to download a few images of generic
thing that I am looking for like the beach for instance, and to then
get someone's assistance picking the best one. But I am often unable
to focus on the photo to save it. When I attempt to save the photo, it
is an html file, so some rendition of the web page, and it won't
operate like a photo when I attempt to insert it into a presentation.

What are your strategies for obtaining and keeping track of photos nonvisually.

Before iOS 6, the custom label feature of VO allowed one to make
custom labels of photos. When this feature went away, I was super
disappointed as about 100 of my photos with descriptive custom labels
disappeared and were replaced with unhelpful descriptors only
including the date and time. If I save photos on my computer, I save
them with descriptive file names and ask people to descriptively label
photos that they send me.

But sometimes, I just need a generic image quickly and it has been
very frustrating attempting to navigate Google images and to download
a few images to run by a reader. I know I could just have my reader do
this, but I right click and download other things online and am
curious if there are any particular strategies for focusing on a photo
in such a way that I can download it similarly to other types of
files.

Thanks,

-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 23:55:34 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 15:55:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdynsgn4hNjQVuaXLyMJ2bUW24L84NM_=oWcRMwKU7ZPkw@mail.gmail.com>

To follow up, the custom label feature works again in the photos app,
so I will definitely start using it again! Too bad the labels from my
first photos a few years ago did not reappear. :(

Cindy

On 1/8/15, Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I use JAWS and mostly IE and Firefox. Do any of you have strategies
> for downloading images that appear as search results nonvisually? I
> always verify whether the image is oriented and sized correctly, but
> one thing I would like to do is to download a few images of generic
> thing that I am looking for like the beach for instance, and to then
> get someone's assistance picking the best one. But I am often unable
> to focus on the photo to save it. When I attempt to save the photo, it
> is an html file, so some rendition of the web page, and it won't
> operate like a photo when I attempt to insert it into a presentation.
>
> What are your strategies for obtaining and keeping track of photos
> nonvisually.
>
> Before iOS 6, the custom label feature of VO allowed one to make
> custom labels of photos. When this feature went away, I was super
> disappointed as about 100 of my photos with descriptive custom labels
> disappeared and were replaced with unhelpful descriptors only
> including the date and time. If I save photos on my computer, I save
> them with descriptive file names and ask people to descriptively label
> photos that they send me.
>
> But sometimes, I just need a generic image quickly and it has been
> very frustrating attempting to navigate Google images and to download
> a few images to run by a reader. I know I could just have my reader do
> this, but I right click and download other things online and am
> curious if there are any particular strategies for focusing on a photo
> in such a way that I can download it similarly to other types of
> files.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 02:38:55 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:38:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
Message-ID: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>

I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.

Thanks as always,
Anna E Givens


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 02:51:12 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 21:51:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E48BAD01-3B93-4F18-BA29-5263DAD96C7B@gmail.com>

Hi Anna,

I am not sure why JAWS is reading “misspelled” before the words that are spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I’m not sure you can select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the Braille Sence, but I’m sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry I couldn’t help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish advice helped.


Ryan L. Silveira
חָים אהרן בן אברהם

> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
> IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
> misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
> appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
> as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.
> 
> Thanks as always,
> Anna E Givens
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Fri Jan  9 02:54:04 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:54:04 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <E48BAD01-3B93-4F18-BA29-5263DAD96C7B@gmail.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<E48BAD01-3B93-4F18-BA29-5263DAD96C7B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1319D21B-DF3B-4B1A-8BD9-50FB649207F4@unr.edu>

I can answer the first question, Firefox has a built in spellchecker. Now, I'm not sure how to turn it off and on; perhaps someone who uses Firefox will be able to let you know (I mostly use Internet explorer). 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 8, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> I am not sure why JAWS is reading “misspelled” before the words that are spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I’m not sure you can select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the Braille Sence, but I’m sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry I couldn’t help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish advice helped.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
> חָים אהרן בן אברהם
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
>> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
>> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
>> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
>> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
>> IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
>> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
>> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
>> misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
>> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
>> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
>> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
>> appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
>> as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
>> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.
>> 
>> Thanks as always,
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 04:49:07 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 23:49:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <1319D21B-DF3B-4B1A-8BD9-50FB649207F4@unr.edu>
References: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>
	<E48BAD01-3B93-4F18-BA29-5263DAD96C7B@gmail.com>
	<1319D21B-DF3B-4B1A-8BD9-50FB649207F4@unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fbc2Vw_nGgKvOptmuZT_QWYvPxk-tsiSvgc+Vt_QFbyKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

It's a firefox thing, not your JAWS.  Unfortunately, like Michael I
don't know how to turn it off, but perhaps someone else or google
might be able to find something on it.  I found the spelling notices
helpful for most of the time, but just ignored them when I knew the
word was actually spelled correctly, E.G notetaker.

For highlighting, why not just select the lines one at a time?  E.G,
select the first line and highlight it, then move to the next part you
want highlighted and then do that.  If you already know how to
highlight a line, that would make sense; you would just skip the line
you didn't want to highlight and then select the next part of text.
This is what sighted people do when they highlight as well.

For Spanish you will need to learn the braille symbols for the
accented letters, as well as how to write them on a computer keyboard.
I didn't really mess with changing jaws to Spanish when I took the 3
levels that I took in high school, mainly because I had some
difficulty understanding jaws then for reasons unknown, but having it
on English didn't cause problems for me.  The one thing I do wish I
had learned was how to write the accented letters in print.  I always
had to note in English within parentheses when I intended for a tilde
or something to be in a word, and it was really annoying.

On 1/8/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I can answer the first question, Firefox has a built in spellchecker. Now,
> I'm not sure how to turn it off and on; perhaps someone who uses Firefox
> will be able to let you know (I mostly use Internet explorer).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> I am not sure why JAWS is reading “misspelled” before the words that are
>> spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You
>> might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it
>> would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I’m not sure you can
>> select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come
>> across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third
>> question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high
>> school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as
>> several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the
>> Braille Sence, but I’m sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to
>> learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you
>> like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions
>> on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry
>> I couldn’t help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish
>> advice helped.
>>
>>
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>> חָים אהרן בן אברהם
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
>>> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
>>> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
>>> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
>>> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
>>> IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
>>> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
>>> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
>>> misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
>>> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
>>> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
>>> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
>>> appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
>>> as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
>>> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Thanks as always,
>>> Anna E Givens
>>>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 11:54:45 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 06:54:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
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To turn off the spellchecker in firefox, just go to options, choose
advanced and uncheck the "check my spelling as I type" feature then
hit ok. I don't have any suggestions for highlighting nonconsecutive
chunks of texts; I usually just select the lines one piece at a time.
As for Spanish, your notetaker should have an option to turn on
Spanish braille. I recommend doing this so you can get used to the
accented letters. You can also input accented letters on the computer
by doing insert 4 and then choosing the letter that you want. When I
took Spanish in high school and then Italian in college, I mostly did
my assignments in word and added the letters that way.

Minh

On 1/8/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It's a firefox thing, not your JAWS.  Unfortunately, like Michael I
> don't know how to turn it off, but perhaps someone else or google
> might be able to find something on it.  I found the spelling notices
> helpful for most of the time, but just ignored them when I knew the
> word was actually spelled correctly, E.G notetaker.
>
> For highlighting, why not just select the lines one at a time?  E.G,
> select the first line and highlight it, then move to the next part you
> want highlighted and then do that.  If you already know how to
> highlight a line, that would make sense; you would just skip the line
> you didn't want to highlight and then select the next part of text.
> This is what sighted people do when they highlight as well.
>
> For Spanish you will need to learn the braille symbols for the
> accented letters, as well as how to write them on a computer keyboard.
> I didn't really mess with changing jaws to Spanish when I took the 3
> levels that I took in high school, mainly because I had some
> difficulty understanding jaws then for reasons unknown, but having it
> on English didn't cause problems for me.  The one thing I do wish I
> had learned was how to write the accented letters in print.  I always
> had to note in English within parentheses when I intended for a tilde
> or something to be in a word, and it was really annoying.
>
> On 1/8/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I can answer the first question, Firefox has a built in spellchecker. Now,
>> I'm not sure how to turn it off and on; perhaps someone who uses Firefox
>> will be able to let you know (I mostly use Internet explorer).
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Anna,
>>>
>>> I am not sure why JAWS is reading “misspelled” before the words that are
>>> spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You
>>> might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it
>>> would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I’m not sure you can
>>> select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come
>>> across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third
>>> question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high
>>> school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as
>>> several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the
>>> Braille Sence, but I’m sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to
>>> learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you
>>> like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions
>>> on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.
>>> Sorry
>>> I couldn’t help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish
>>> advice helped.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ryan L. Silveira
>>> חָים אהרן בן אברהם
>>>
>>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
>>>> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
>>>> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
>>>> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
>>>> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
>>>> IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
>>>> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
>>>> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
>>>> misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
>>>> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
>>>> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
>>>> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
>>>> appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
>>>> as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
>>>> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks as always,
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Fri Jan  9 13:15:38 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 09:15:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
Message-ID: <0NHW007ESVIOP470@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Hey Ryan,

Please forgive me for being totally off-topic for a moment, but 
what language is your email signature in? I'm asking because I 
just noticed that it was in a different set of characters than 
our alphabet, and you're a native English speaker as far as I 
know.  So this is really strange that you would write your 
signature in a completely different language.  Oh, and I'm also 
asking because I'm a language freak.

Ok, off-topic over.

Ana (and others), I can answer you for the Spanish thing.  I 
don't have a BrailleSense, but I do use both JAWS and VO.  To 
change the JAWS language to Spanish, go to the JAWS window, press 
the Altogether key to go to the menu bar, then press the down 
arrow twice until you here "Voices." Press enter on that option, 
then press tab 3 times until you get to "Synthesiser language." 
Press enter, then the down arrow until you get to the Spanish 
option.  (Note: JAWS  will say it with a Spanish accent, but you 
should be able to understand).
Now to do it using Voiceover, go to Settings, General, Language 
and region, Espanol (which means Spanish in Spanish).

And yes, I do agree with others that you have to learn the 
accented letters in Braille.  I don't think that should be much 
of a problem.  I also know how to write those accents, and I 
don'! want to clutter the list seeing as the first part of my 
message is probably off-topic, so if you'd like I can tell you 
how to write the accents off-list.

Hope I've been a good help.

Happy Friday, and happy new year!

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:51:12 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages

Hi Anna,

I am not sure why JAWS is reading "misspelled" before the words 
that are spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I 
used JAWS.  You might want to check your verbosity settings 
(insert V).  As for why it would do it in Firefox and not IE, I 
have no idea.  I'm not sure you can select non-consecutive lines 
using JAWS.  I have never actually come across any way to do it, 
but I will check for you.  With your third question, I can 
definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high school 
and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as 
several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages 
on the Braille Sence, but I'm sure there is a way to do it.  You 
will need to learn the braille symbols used for letters with 
accent marks.  If you like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as 
well as detailed instructions on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and 
your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry I couldn't help much with 
your other questions, but I hope my Spanish advice helped.


Ryan L.  Silveira
???? ???? ?? ?????

 On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I have three separate questions.  I need to know how to 
highlight
 non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how 
to
 highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know 
how.
 I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my 
g-mail
 account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do 
it in
 IE.  Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
 announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is 
mispelled.
 I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read 
through it
 misspellings and all.  But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to 
use
 firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
 Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a 
blind
 person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
 appreciate any advice I can get.  I use JAWS and have a Braille 
Sense
 as well.  I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
 I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did 
you do it.

 Thanks as always,
 Anna E Givens

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 14:23:21 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 09:23:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <0NHW007ESVIOP470@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NHW007ESVIOP470@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <05FC3FF8-21EF-49A0-B440-6FA0B8B23138@gmail.com>

Hi All! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, since we are talking about languages, I actually have an issue in changing the languages on my iPhone. Before I use to have on my rotor on my phone, languages,  where it showed the languages the VoiceOver languages that I pick from the Language and region, but  now  they are not there on my phone. All of this started, when  i went to the Apple Store and they did a reset to my phone, all of my Languages where disactivated on my phone. Now when I go to settings and go to languages and region in ordr to pick the languages I want  for my phone, I find the lanuage I want and then i add the new lanuage in order to use it, but for some reason I can't use it. On my phone, i use to have, English UK and Spanish, but now I can't use them, and they are actually VoiceOver Languages. I really don't know why my languages are not working on my phone. Do you know how can I fix this issue? I'm just wondering since i don't know how to guys!  I will really appreciate it if you could help me with this! since it use to work before. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Ryan,
> 
> Please forgive me for being totally off-topic for a moment, but what language is your email signature in? I'm asking because I just noticed that it was in a different set of characters than our alphabet, and you're a native English speaker as far as I know.  So this is really strange that you would write your signature in a completely different language.  Oh, and I'm also asking because I'm a language freak.
> 
> Ok, off-topic over.
> 
> Ana (and others), I can answer you for the Spanish thing.  I don't have a BrailleSense, but I do use both JAWS and VO.  To change the JAWS language to Spanish, go to the JAWS window, press the Altogether key to go to the menu bar, then press the down arrow twice until you here "Voices." Press enter on that option, then press tab 3 times until you get to "Synthesiser language." Press enter, then the down arrow until you get to the Spanish option.  (Note: JAWS  will say it with a Spanish accent, but you should be able to understand).
> Now to do it using Voiceover, go to Settings, General, Language and region, Espanol (which means Spanish in Spanish).
> 
> And yes, I do agree with others that you have to learn the accented letters in Braille.  I don't think that should be much of a problem.  I also know how to write those accents, and I don'! want to clutter the list seeing as the first part of my message is probably off-topic, so if you'd like I can tell you how to write the accents off-list.
> 
> Hope I've been a good help.
> 
> Happy Friday, and happy new year!
> 
> Sami.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:51:12 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> I am not sure why JAWS is reading "misspelled" before the words that are spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I'm not sure you can select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the Braille Sence, but I'm sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry I couldn't help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish advice helped.
> 
> 
> Ryan L.  Silveira
> ???? ???? ?? ?????
> 
> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have three separate questions.  I need to know how to highlight
> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
> IE.  Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
> misspellings and all.  But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
> appreciate any advice I can get.  I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
> as well.  I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.
> 
> Thanks as always,
> Anna E Givens
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Jan  9 17:08:33 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 11:08:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <05FC3FF8-21EF-49A0-B440-6FA0B8B23138@gmail.com>
References: <0NHW007ESVIOP470@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
	<05FC3FF8-21EF-49A0-B440-6FA0B8B23138@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP76D94D0017F43A3C3D72C5CE440@phx.gbl>

Have you tried turning the rotor to languages, And then flicking up and down and choosing the language that you want. First before you do this, you need to make sure that languages is selected in the rotor. If you need anymore assistance on this, feel free to Skype me and I will assist you.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:23 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, since we are talking about languages, I actually have an issue in changing the languages on my iPhone. Before I use to have on my rotor on my phone, languages,  where it showed the languages the VoiceOver languages that I pick from the Language and region, but  now  they are not there on my phone. All of this started, when  i went to the Apple Store and they did a reset to my phone, all of my Languages where disactivated on my phone. Now when I go to settings and go to languages and region in ordr to pick the languages I want  for my phone, I find the lanuage I want and then i add the new lanuage in order to use it, but for some reason I can't use it. On my phone, i use to have, English UK and Spanish, but now I can't use them, and they are actually VoiceOver Languages. I really don't know why my languages are not working on my phone. Do you know how can I fix this issue? I'm just wondering since i don't know how to guys!  I will really appreciate it if you could help me with this! since it use to work before. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com <mailto:helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx <http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx> 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ <http://int4life.com/> 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 8:15 AM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Ryan,
>> 
>> Please forgive me for being totally off-topic for a moment, but what language is your email signature in? I'm asking because I just noticed that it was in a different set of characters than our alphabet, and you're a native English speaker as far as I know.  So this is really strange that you would write your signature in a completely different language.  Oh, and I'm also asking because I'm a language freak.
>> 
>> Ok, off-topic over.
>> 
>> Ana (and others), I can answer you for the Spanish thing.  I don't have a BrailleSense, but I do use both JAWS and VO.  To change the JAWS language to Spanish, go to the JAWS window, press the Altogether key to go to the menu bar, then press the down arrow twice until you here "Voices." Press enter on that option, then press tab 3 times until you get to "Synthesiser language." Press enter, then the down arrow until you get to the Spanish option.  (Note: JAWS  will say it with a Spanish accent, but you should be able to understand).
>> Now to do it using Voiceover, go to Settings, General, Language and region, Espanol (which means Spanish in Spanish).
>> 
>> And yes, I do agree with others that you have to learn the accented letters in Braille.  I don't think that should be much of a problem.  I also know how to write those accents, and I don'! want to clutter the list seeing as the first part of my message is probably off-topic, so if you'd like I can tell you how to write the accents off-list.
>> 
>> Hope I've been a good help.
>> 
>> Happy Friday, and happy new year!
>> 
>> Sami.
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Anna Givens <annajee82 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 08 Jan 2015 21:51:12 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
>> 
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> I am not sure why JAWS is reading "misspelled" before the words that are spelled incorrectly.  I never had that problem when I used JAWS.  You might want to check your verbosity settings (insert V).  As for why it would do it in Firefox and not IE, I have no idea.  I'm not sure you can select non-consecutive lines using JAWS.  I have never actually come across any way to do it, but I will check for you.  With your third question, I can definitely help.  I took Spanish in middle school an high school and found it very easy.  You can put JAWS in Spanish, as well as several other languages.  I can look up how to change languages on the Braille Sence, but I'm sure there is a way to do it.  You will need to learn the braille symbols used for letters with accent marks.  If you like, I can e-mail them to you off-list, as well as detailed instructions on how to put JAWS, your iPhone and your Braille Scense in Spanish.  Sorry I couldn't help much with your other questions, but I hope my Spanish advice helped.
>> 
>> 
>> Ryan L.  Silveira
>> ???? ???? ?? ?????
>> 
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 9:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have three separate questions.  I need to know how to highlight
>> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
>> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
>> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
>> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
>> IE.  Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
>> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
>> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
>> misspellings and all.  But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
>> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
>> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
>> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
>> appreciate any advice I can get.  I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
>> as well.  I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
>> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.
>> 
>> Thanks as always,
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 17:55:21 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 12:55:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Pibe-division] How to do Google Docs/Drive with
	talking software
References: <403560801.331849.1420825168125.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CC722DC5-FC86-4A29-806A-84A470DD281F@gmail.com>

This could be a wonderful resource for anyone who is learning how to use Google Docs. This software is becoming increasingly prevalent in education, so it is an important tool for all of us to learn. I hope this helps someone on these lists.

Chris Nusbaum

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Dr. Denise M. Robinson via Pibe-division" <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 9, 2015 at 12:39:28 PM EST
> To: Professionals In Blindness Education Division List <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Pibe-division] How to do Google Docs/Drive with talking software
> Reply-To: "Dr. Denise M. Robinson" <dmehlenbacher at yahoo.com>, Professionals in Blindness Education Division List <pibe-division at nfbnet.org>
> 
> I apologize for the long wait on this lesson.
> By far absolutely the highest requests on completing this lesson for everyone. Please pass along to those that are asking about this lesson
> 
> Here are the tricks and ease of moving through google docs and drive, from sharing and editing within a group of people in the class, moving through the drive and documents that teachers send to students and ask to complete...yes, with ease right in google docs
> Hook a braille display for even greater feedback
> 
> It is a descriptive video so you can stop the play button, do the task then play again. For those using talking software, you can open in media player, ctrl p to stop play to do trick then alt tab back and ctrl p to start play again. For those who are sighted you can see every step as well as listen to each command with backup text. 
> 
> Just open the link below
> How to do Google Docs/Drive with talking software
> 
> Happy New Year!
>  
>        Dr Denise
>                                                                                                               
> Denise M. Robinson, TVI, Ph.D. 
> CEO, TechVision, LLC
> Specialist in technology, teaching, training for blind/low vision
> 423-573-6413
> 
> Website with hundreds of informational articles & lessons on PC, Office products, Mac, iPad/iTools and more, all done with keystrokes: www.yourtechvision.com 
> 
> "The person who says it cannot be done, shouldn't interrupt the one who is
> doing it." --Chinese Proverb
> 
> Computers are incredibly fast, accurate, and stupid: humans are incredibly slow, inaccurate and brilliant; together they are powerful beyond imagination.
> --Albert Einstein
> 
> It's kind of fun to do the impossible.
> --Walt Disney
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Jan  9 18:42:50 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:42:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Pibe-division] How to do Google Docs/Drive with
	talking software
In-Reply-To: <CC722DC5-FC86-4A29-806A-84A470DD281F@gmail.com>
References: <403560801.331849.1420825168125.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CC722DC5-FC86-4A29-806A-84A470DD281F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C5CD085-4F95-440B-90A5-32608D510679@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Maybe I missed something but I don't actually see the link in the forwarded email. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How to do Google Docs/Drive with talking software


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 20:09:51 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 15:09:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Pibe-division] How to do Google Docs/Drive with
	talking software
In-Reply-To: <8C5CD085-4F95-440B-90A5-32608D510679@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <403560801.331849.1420825168125.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CC722DC5-FC86-4A29-806A-84A470DD281F@gmail.com>
	<8C5CD085-4F95-440B-90A5-32608D510679@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <5BF7F51E-BE5A-4001-AD76-787C7CDBA077@gmail.com>

Derek,

I checked again and the link still appears. You may have missed it because it is not a full URL. She put a link in the text which is labeled as the title of the video. If you are reading it with your iPhone, allow voiceover to finish reading that line and it should say "link." Hope this helps.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I missed something but I don't actually see the link in the forwarded email. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> How to do Google Docs/Drive with talking software


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 03:54:40 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 22:54:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d02c89$ba7d7430$2f785c90$@gmail.com>

If using Firefox, Right Click on the image and Down Arrow to Save Image As.

Joe

--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 6:53 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually

Hi,

I use JAWS and mostly IE and Firefox. Do any of you have strategies for
downloading images that appear as search results nonvisually? I always
verify whether the image is oriented and sized correctly, but one thing I
would like to do is to download a few images of generic thing that I am
looking for like the beach for instance, and to then get someone's
assistance picking the best one. But I am often unable to focus on the photo
to save it. When I attempt to save the photo, it is an html file, so some
rendition of the web page, and it won't operate like a photo when I attempt
to insert it into a presentation.

What are your strategies for obtaining and keeping track of photos
nonvisually.

Before iOS 6, the custom label feature of VO allowed one to make custom
labels of photos. When this feature went away, I was super disappointed as
about 100 of my photos with descriptive custom labels disappeared and were
replaced with unhelpful descriptors only including the date and time. If I
save photos on my computer, I save them with descriptive file names and ask
people to descriptively label photos that they send me.

But sometimes, I just need a generic image quickly and it has been very
frustrating attempting to navigate Google images and to download a few
images to run by a reader. I know I could just have my reader do this, but I
right click and download other things online and am curious if there are any
particular strategies for focusing on a photo in such a way that I can
download it similarly to other types of files.

Thanks,

--
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National Federation of
the Blind of Washington Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 04:07:57 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 23:07:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually
In-Reply-To: <000001d02c89$ba7d7430$2f785c90$@gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdwRqJQndC0WtRCK3-9hLC7PwHaJH=LcXj00XSWwZ8cn5Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d02c89$ba7d7430$2f785c90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <833B2892-8412-49B3-8C11-B72BC77B9496@gmail.com>

If you are inserting the image into another document, such as a word document or PowerPoint presentation, you can also highlight the image using shift plus down arrow, then control see to copy it to the clipboard You can then open the document into which you're inserting the image and press control V to paste it.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 9, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If using Firefox, Right Click on the image and Down Arrow to Save Image As.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
> 
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2015 6:53 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading Images Nonvisually
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use JAWS and mostly IE and Firefox. Do any of you have strategies for
> downloading images that appear as search results nonvisually? I always
> verify whether the image is oriented and sized correctly, but one thing I
> would like to do is to download a few images of generic thing that I am
> looking for like the beach for instance, and to then get someone's
> assistance picking the best one. But I am often unable to focus on the photo
> to save it. When I attempt to save the photo, it is an html file, so some
> rendition of the web page, and it won't operate like a photo when I attempt
> to insert it into a presentation.
> 
> What are your strategies for obtaining and keeping track of photos
> nonvisually.
> 
> Before iOS 6, the custom label feature of VO allowed one to make custom
> labels of photos. When this feature went away, I was super disappointed as
> about 100 of my photos with descriptive custom labels disappeared and were
> replaced with unhelpful descriptors only including the date and time. If I
> save photos on my computer, I save them with descriptive file names and ask
> people to descriptively label photos that they send me.
> 
> But sometimes, I just need a generic image quickly and it has been very
> frustrating attempting to navigate Google images and to download a few
> images to run by a reader. I know I could just have my reader do this, but I
> right click and download other things online and am curious if there are any
> particular strategies for focusing on a photo in such a way that I can
> download it similarly to other types of files.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
> Engineering
> 
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National Federation of
> the Blind of Washington Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 10 04:43:37 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 04:43:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>

Hello Nabs!
	This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more braille; however, because I don’t have the resources or time, I figured I’d give this a shot.
	I’ve found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but easily made, Grammar mistakes?
Respectfully,
Michael
Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the Blind

From fowlers at syix.com  Sat Jan 10 05:06:30 2015
From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 21:06:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Mentor Program for Blind College Students!
In-Reply-To: <00d401d02c85$91ce18e0$b56a4aa0$@gmail.com>
References: <00d401d02c85$91ce18e0$b56a4aa0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01d02c93$31f55240$95dff6c0$@syix.com>

An exciting opportunity for blind college students. See below.

 

Learning Ally is developing supports for students who are blind or visually
impaired and are just beginning in college or still need some support to
successfully navigate in college. We need students who are willing to speak
to a mentor at least once, to discuss in a honest manner, the successes and
challenges you are facing right now.  If this is helpful, you can continue
in our mentor program for the full semester!  The mentors are blind or
visually impaired, working on post graduate degrees or just beginning their
careers and excited to be able to share their strategies for success.  

 

If you are a blind or visually impaired college student and this sounds like
something you are willing to partake in, email Mary Alexander at
mAlexander at learningally.org  and let us know the following about you:

.  Full Name:

.  Email address:

.  Best Phone number:

.  School attending:

.  Field of Study or major:

.  What is your visual acuity, (are you blind or low vision?)

.  Braille, large print or audio only user:


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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 05:16:33 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:16:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>

To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
years ago.

Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
feel too bad.  :)

On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Nabs!
> 	This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
> give this a shot.
> 	I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
> Blind
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 05:27:46 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:27:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Pibe-division] How to do Google Docs/Drive with
 talking software
In-Reply-To: <5BF7F51E-BE5A-4001-AD76-787C7CDBA077@gmail.com>
References: <403560801.331849.1420825168125.JavaMail.yahoo@jws10697.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CC722DC5-FC86-4A29-806A-84A470DD281F@gmail.com>
	<8C5CD085-4F95-440B-90A5-32608D510679@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<5BF7F51E-BE5A-4001-AD76-787C7CDBA077@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYaA=TqortmQxcw4bG5rbrEY8V6ABJqQp9J6KxgeD_B4A@mail.gmail.com>

Are you all able to just view the video immediately?  I was taken to a
web site, clicked on a link with the same name again, and was prompted
to add the lesson to my cart for about $5.  I may actually pay for
this since google docs are everywhere at my university and I still
have yet to learn how to use them, but I want to be sure that I have
to do this before I actually pay any money.  Thanks.

On 1/9/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Derek,
>
> I checked again and the link still appears. You may have missed it because
> it is not a full URL. She put a link in the text which is labeled as the
> title of the video. If you are reading it with your iPhone, allow voiceover
> to finish reading that line and it should say "link." Hope this helps.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I missed something but I don't actually see the link in the
>> forwarded email.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 9, 2015, at 12:55 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How to do Google Docs/Drive with talking software
>
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan 10 05:33:07 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 21:33:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
	<CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1420867987.4065.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
        When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives. 

Hope this helps,
Kaley


On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
years ago.

Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
feel too bad.  :)

On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Nabs!
>     This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
> give this a shot.
>     I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
> Blind
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan 10 05:33:07 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 21:33:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
	<CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1420867987.4065.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
        When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives. 

Hope this helps,
Kaley


On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
years ago.

Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
feel too bad.  :)

On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Nabs!
>     This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
> give this a shot.
>     I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
> Blind
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 10 05:55:20 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 05:55:20 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <1420867987.4065.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
	<CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Hello All:

	Alright, but in the case of just listening to a document, if one is using JAWS or another screen reader, how does one catch spelling or grammar errors? For example, if one accidentally uses wile instead of while, even though they actually know that while ought to be used instead of wile, how do they catch that they used the wrong while? Would they just have to pause every time they come to a homophone, and ensure it is the correct one?
	I believe most of my issues arise from this problem, and since a professor recently commented on this, I probably should make it go away. I apologize, if I’m being overly persistent.
Best Regards,
Michael

________________________________________
From: kcj21 [kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:33 PM
To: Kaiti Shelton; Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check

Hi all,
        When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives.

Hope this helps,
Kaley


On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
years ago.

Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
feel too bad.  :)

On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello Nabs!
>     This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
> give this a shot.
>     I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
> Respectfully,
> Michael
> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
> Blind
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sat Jan 10 06:01:06 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 01:01:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B857163@UBOX1.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B85710E@UBOX1.unr.edu>
	<CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1420867987.4065.YahooMailNeo@web180901.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B857163@UBOX1.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <5F42D870-C24D-4E4A-AE64-DF08021B5DA1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I would say pausing on each one to double check is your best bet. I know I pay special attention to those even though I use zoomtext because I frequently just misuse them out of carelessness. Ideally, grammar checks will continue to become smarter. There may also be a setting you can adjust to make it more stringent. When I'm not on a train, I can look and see how to get to the menu. But I know you can have it mark when you do one or two spaces after a period as incorrect grammatically so there may be an option to catch more grammar.

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All:
> 
>    Alright, but in the case of just listening to a document, if one is using JAWS or another screen reader, how does one catch spelling or grammar errors? For example, if one accidentally uses wile instead of while, even though they actually know that while ought to be used instead of wile, how do they catch that they used the wrong while? Would they just have to pause every time they come to a homophone, and ensure it is the correct one?
>    I believe most of my issues arise from this problem, and since a professor recently commented on this, I probably should make it go away. I apologize, if I’m being overly persistent.
> Best Regards,
> Michael
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: kcj21 [kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:33 PM
> To: Kaiti Shelton; Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
> 
> Hi all,
>        When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Kaley
> 
> 
> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
> Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
> on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
> becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
> that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
> be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
> Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
> honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
> years ago.
> 
> Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
> books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
> feel too bad.  :)
> 
>> On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> Hello Nabs!
>>    This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
>> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
>> give this a shot.
>>    I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
>> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
>> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
>> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
>> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael
>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
>> Blind
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
> --
> Kaiti
> 
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sat Jan 10 06:06:08 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 01:06:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
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	<CAFja7FYNaaCmvDG+MftWtkgtigrjEfSB2=72hDLo+JhMT-OJzg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5F42D870-C24D-4E4A-AE64-DF08021B5DA1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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Here's something for office 2007. 

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/microsoft-office/use-word-2007s-contextual-spell-checker-to-avoid-embarrassing-errors/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would say pausing on each one to double check is your best bet. I know I pay special attention to those even though I use zoomtext because I frequently just misuse them out of carelessness. Ideally, grammar checks will continue to become smarter. There may also be a setting you can adjust to make it more stringent. When I'm not on a train, I can look and see how to get to the menu. But I know you can have it mark when you do one or two spaces after a period as incorrect grammatically so there may be an option to catch more grammar.
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All:
>> 
>>   Alright, but in the case of just listening to a document, if one is using JAWS or another screen reader, how does one catch spelling or grammar errors? For example, if one accidentally uses wile instead of while, even though they actually know that while ought to be used instead of wile, how do they catch that they used the wrong while? Would they just have to pause every time they come to a homophone, and ensure it is the correct one?
>>   I believe most of my issues arise from this problem, and since a professor recently commented on this, I probably should make it go away. I apologize, if I’m being overly persistent.
>> Best Regards,
>> Michael
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: kcj21 [kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:33 PM
>> To: Kaiti Shelton; Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
>> 
>> Hi all,
>>       When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Kaley
>> 
>> 
>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
>> Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
>> on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
>> becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
>> that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
>> be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
>> Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
>> honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
>> years ago.
>> 
>> Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
>> books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
>> feel too bad.  :)
>> 
>>> On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Hello Nabs!
>>>   This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
>>> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
>>> give this a shot.
>>>   I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
>>> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
>>> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
>>> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
>>> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
>>> Blind
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti
>> 
>> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 06:20:49 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 01:20:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
that a simple pdf is accessible
I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
time and don't have so much past experience.
Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.


From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 10 07:01:33 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:01:33 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
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Hello all (but especially kaiti),
	A quick update, from shortly after receiving Derek’s extremely useful link:
	Microsoft word has this cool setting, which I cannot seem to get to permanently stay on, but it is cool never the less. If you are using JAWS and your Microsoft word is 2013, you need to press the Alt key plus F, then T, then arrow down twice to proofing. Once you are here, tab over until you find the area, which says, “Writing Style.” If you make sure it says “Grammar and writing style,” Microsoft word will catch all grammatical mistakes. Sadly, the contextual checker fails to catch all but the most obvious homophones (I tested it on a document where I knew for sure I misspelled suite as sweet).
If I find anything else by being proactive, I will let you guys know. If I do not, perhaps someone with more knowledge in this area will come forth. As it stands, all the suggestions have been fantastic (I downloaded the Elements of language fourth Ed. From bookshare and it is brilliant).
Thanks everyone,
Michael

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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 10:06 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check

Here's something for office 2007.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/microsoft-office/use-word-2007s-contextual-spell-checker-to-avoid-embarrassing-errors/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I would say pausing on each one to double check is your best bet. I know I pay special attention to those even though I use zoomtext because I frequently just misuse them out of carelessness. Ideally, grammar checks will continue to become smarter. There may also be a setting you can adjust to make it more stringent. When I'm not on a train, I can look and see how to get to the menu. But I know you can have it mark when you do one or two spaces after a period as incorrect grammatically so there may be an option to catch more grammar.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All:
>>
>>   Alright, but in the case of just listening to a document, if one is using JAWS or another screen reader, how does one catch spelling or grammar errors? For example, if one accidentally uses wile instead of while, even though they actually know that while ought to be used instead of wile, how do they catch that they used the wrong while? Would they just have to pause every time they come to a homophone, and ensure it is the correct one?
>>   I believe most of my issues arise from this problem, and since a professor recently commented on this, I probably should make it go away. I apologize, if I’m being overly persistent.
>> Best Regards,
>> Michael
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: kcj21 [kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
>> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:33 PM
>> To: Kaiti Shelton; Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
>>
>> Hi all,
>>       When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I generally just read through my papers several times. If you have grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab respectively. As for commas, you use them before the conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and around nonrestrictive appositives.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Kaley
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this question too.
>> Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based more
>> on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think I'm
>> becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems to be
>> that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it would
>> be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain works.
>> Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
>> honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost 4
>> years ago.
>>
>> Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I read
>> books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.  Don't
>> feel too bad.  :)
>>
>>> On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> Hello Nabs!
>>>   This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to read more
>>> braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I figured I'd
>>> give this a shot.
>>>   I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I tend to miss
>>> spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and grammar check
>>> on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there a saves-all
>>> trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or random, but
>>> easily made, Grammar mistakes?
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael
>>> Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National Federation of the
>>> Blind
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>> --
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>>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 14:20:24 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 09:20:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
Message-ID: <54b13543.267e320a.3980.323b@mx.google.com>

Hi=20All,=20my=20experience=20with=20grammar=20check=20is=20that=20it=20ten=
ds=20to=20be=20
very=20stupid=20and=20not=20particularly=20good=20at=20figuring=20out=20wha=
t=20you're=20
trying=20to=20say.=20=20Homophones=20are=20a=20problem=20for=20me=20as=20we=
ll--even=20
though=20I=20intellectually=20know=20how=20to=20use=20them=20correctly,=20I=
=20often=20
type=20the=20wrong=20one.=20=20The=20best=20thing=20I've=20found=20to=20do=
=20is=20have=20
someone=20else=20look=20at=20my=20papers=20if=20they're=20long=20and=20impo=
rtant,=20
like=20a=20term=20paper.=20=20That's=20a=20good=20idea=20anyway=20because=20=
for=20any=20
writer=20what=20you=20write=20makes=20sense=20to=20you=20but=20may=20make=20=
less=20sense=20
to=20your=20audience.=20=20As=20far=20as=20style=20guides=20go,=20I=20would=
=20recommend=20
the=20Turabian=20manuel,=20which=20is=20also=20available=20on=20Bookshare.=
=20=20The=20
long=20name=20is=20_A=20Manual=20for=20Writers=20of=20Research=20Papers,=20=
Theses,=20
and=20Dissertations:=20Chicago=20Style=20for=20Students=20and=20Researchers=
_=20by=20
Kate=20Turabian.=20=20It=20has=20a=20very=20good=20grammar=20section,=20an=
=20excellent=20
overview=20of=20how=20to=20write=20research=20papers,=20and=20it=20gives=20=
you=20the=20
style=20guide=20for=20both=20kinds=20of=20Chicago=20citations,=20which=20is=
=20used=20by=20
almost=20everyone=20in=20higher=20level=20academia=20(sometimes=20slightly=
=20
modified=20for=20certain=20disciplines)=20except=20for=20psychology=20and=20=

sociology=20(who=20use=20APA)=20and=20literary=20criticism=20(which=20uses=
=20MLA).

Best,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Derek=20Manners=20<dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,=20"National=20
Association=20ofBlind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2010=20Jan=202015=2007:01:33=20+0000
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20MicroSoft=20Word=20question:=20Spelling=20and=20=

Grammar=20check

Hello=20all=20(but=20especially=20kaiti),
=09A=20quick=20update,=20from=20shortly=20after=20receiving=20Derek=92s=20
extremely=20useful=20link:
=09Microsoft=20word=20has=20this=20cool=20setting,=20which=20I=20cannot=20s=
eem=20to=20
get=20to=20permanently=20stay=20on,=20but=20it=20is=20cool=20never=20the=20=
less.=20
If=20you=20are=20using=20JAWS=20and=20your=20Microsoft=20word=20is=202013,=
=20you=20
need=20to=20press=20the=20Alt=20key=20plus=20F,=20then=20T,=20then=20arrow=
=20down=20
twice=20to=20proofing.=20Once=20you=20are=20here,=20tab=20over=20until=20yo=
u=20
find=20the=20area,=20which=20says,=20=93Writing=20Style.=94=20If=20you=20ma=
ke=20sure=20
it=20says=20=93Grammar=20and=20writing=20style,=94=20Microsoft=20word=20wil=
l=20
catch=20all=20grammatical=20mistakes.=20Sadly,=20the=20contextual=20
checker=20fails=20to=20catch=20all=20but=20the=20most=20obvious=20homophone=
s=20
(I=20tested=20it=20on=20a=20document=20where=20I=20knew=20for=20sure=20I=20=

misspelled=20suite=20as=20sweet).
If=20I=20find=20anything=20else=20by=20being=20proactive,=20I=20will=20let=
=20you=20guys=20
know.=20If=20I=20do=20not,=20perhaps=20someone=20with=20more=20knowledge=20=
in=20this=20
area=20will=20come=20forth.=20As=20it=20stands,=20all=20the=20suggestions=20=
have=20been=20
fantastic=20(I=20downloaded=20the=20Elements=20of=20language=20fourth=20Ed.=
=20From=20
bookshare=20and=20it=20is=20brilliant).
Thanks=20everyone,
Michael

________________________________________
From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20Derek=20
Manners=20via=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2009,=202015=2010:06=20PM
To:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20MicroSoft=20Word=20question:=20Spelling=20and=20=

Grammar=20check

Here's=20something=20for=20office=202007.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/microsoft-office/use-word-2007s-
contextual-spell-checker-to-avoid-embarrassing-errors/

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2010,=202015,=20at=2012:55=20AM,=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20=
nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20I=20would=20say=20pausing=20on=20each=20one=20to=20double=20check=20is=20=
your=20best=20
bet.=20I=20know=20I=20pay=20special=20attention=20to=20those=20even=20thoug=
h=20I=20use=20
zoomtext=20because=20I=20frequently=20just=20misuse=20them=20out=20of=20
carelessness.=20Ideally,=20grammar=20checks=20will=20continue=20to=20become=
=20
smarter.=20There=20may=20also=20be=20a=20setting=20you=20can=20adjust=20to=
=20make=20it=20
more=20stringent.=20When=20I'm=20not=20on=20a=20train,=20I=20can=20look=20a=
nd=20see=20how=20
to=20get=20to=20the=20menu.=20But=20I=20know=20you=20can=20have=20it=20mark=
=20when=20you=20do=20
one=20or=20two=20spaces=20after=20a=20period=20as=20incorrect=20grammatical=
ly=20so=20
there=20may=20be=20an=20option=20to=20catch=20more=20grammar.

=20Best=20wishes
=20Derek=20Manners

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2010,=202015,=20at=2012:55=20AM,=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20=
nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet..org>=20wrote:

=20Hello=20All:

=20=20=20Alright,=20but=20in=20the=20case=20of=20just=20listening=20to=20a=
=20document,=20if=20
one=20is=20using=20JAWS=20or=20another=20screen=20reader,=20how=20does=20on=
e=20catch=20
spelling=20or=20grammar=20errors?=20For=20example,=20if=20one=20accidentall=
y=20uses=20
wile=20instead=20of=20while,=20even=20though=20they=20actually=20know=20tha=
t=20while=20
ought=20to=20be=20used=20instead=20of=20wile,=20how=20do=20they=20catch=20t=
hat=20they=20
used=20the=20wrong=20while?=20Would=20they=20just=20have=20to=20pause=20eve=
ry=20time=20
they=20come=20to=20a=20homophone,=20and=20ensure=20it=20is=20the=20correct=
=20one?
=20=20=20I=20believe=20most=20of=20my=20issues=20arise=20from=20this=20prob=
lem,=20and=20since=20
a=20professor=20recently=20commented=20on=20this,=20I=20probably=20should=20=
make=20it=20
go=20away.=20I=20apologize,=20if=20I=92m=20being=20overly=20persistent.
=20Best=20Regards,
=20Michael

=20________________________________________
=20From:=20kcj21=20[kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
=20Sent:=20Friday,=20January=2009,=202015=209:33=20PM
=20To:=20Kaiti=20Shelton;=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun;=20National=20Association=
=20of=20
Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list;=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20=

Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20MicroSoft=20Word=20question:=20Spelling=20an=
d=20
Grammar=20check

=20Hi=20all,
=20=20=20=20=20=20=20When=20checking=20for=20grammar=20and=20spelling=20mis=
takes,=20I=20
generally=20just=20read=20through=20my=20papers=20several=20times.=20If=20y=
ou=20have=20
grammar=20or=20citation=20=20questions,=20I=20suggest=20reading=20Strunk=20=
and=20
White's=20The=20Elements=20of=20Style=20and=20Purdue=20Online=20Writing=20L=
ab=20
respectively.=20As=20for=20commas,=20you=20use=20them=20before=20the=20
conjunctions:=20for,=20and,=20nor,=20but,=20or=20,=20yet,so=20(FANBOYS).=20=
You=20also=20
use=20them=20in=20a=20list,=20after=20a=20preposition,=20after=20an=20if=20=
clause,=20and=20
around=20nonrestrictive=20appositives.

=20Hope=20this=20helps,
=20Kaley


=20On=20Saturday,=20January=2010,=202015=2012:17=20AM,=20Kaiti=20Shelton=20=
via=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:


=20To=20be=20honest,=20I=20would=20be=20interested=20in=20an=20answer=20to=
=20this=20
question=20too.
=20Especially=20since=20I=20have=20chosen=20English=20classes=20in=20colleg=
e=20based=20
more
=20on=20their=20theme=20and=20reading=20material=20than=20their=20writing,=
=20I=20think=20
I'm
=20becoming=20rusty=20for=20lack=20of=20practice.=20=20My=20biggest=20probl=
em=20seems=20
to=20be
=20that=20I=20overuse=20commas,=20placing=20them=20in=20places=20where=20I=
=20think=20it=20
would
=20be=20natural=20to=20pause=20when=20speaking=20because=20that's=20how=20m=
y=20brain=20
works.
=20Grammar=20check=20doesn't=20catch=20these=20issues=20most=20of=20the=20t=
ime=20and=20I
=20honestly=20don't=20remember=20a=20lot=20of=20my=20grammar=20lessons=20fr=
om=20almost=20
4
=20years=20ago.

=20Michael,=20I'm=20an=20advocate=20for=20more=20braille,=20but=20even=20th=
ough=20I=20
read
=20books=20in=20braille=20all=20the=20time=20this=20is=20still=20an=20issue=
=20for=20me.=20=20
Don't
=20feel=20too=20bad.=20=20:)

=20On=201/9/15,=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>=20wrote:
=20Hello=20Nabs!
=20=20=20This=20is=20probably=20a=20silly=20question,=20easily=20solved=20i=
f=20I=20were=20to=20
read=20more
=20braille;=20however,=20because=20I=20don't=20have=20the=20resources=20or=
=20time,=20I=20
figured=20I'd
=20give=20this=20a=20shot.
=20=20=20I've=20found=20that=20it=20is=20becoming=20recently=20more=20commo=
n,=20that=20I=20
tend=20to=20miss
=20spelling=20and=20grammar=20mistakes,=20even=20after=20I=20do=20a=20spell=
ing=20and=20
grammar=20check
=20on=20my=20documents=20(school,=20work,=20etc.).=20I=20was=20wondering,=20=
is=20there=20
a=20saves-all
=20trick=20that=20you=20guys=20use,=20in=20order=20to=20catch=20the=20homop=
hones=20or=20
random,=20but
=20easily=20made,=20Grammar=20mistakes?
=20Respectfully,
=20Michael
=20Secretary,=20Nevada=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Student,=20National=20
Federation=20of=20the
=20Blind
=20_______________________________________________
=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 18:16:19 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:16:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and Grammar check
In-Reply-To: <54b13543.267e320a.3980.323b@mx.google.com>
References: <54b13543.267e320a.3980.323b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBnEzwpsD4TnzBGVGa3dObG-NEzXe-vU2nNfNu7GHyojQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, When I was grading papers, I would check homophones by just
scrolling one character at a time over the most commonly confused ones
like there and their. It's tedious, but if you know there are certain
words that give you trouble, it's the most reliable way to check. I
also agree with having someone proof your paper who's less attached to
it.
Arielle

On 1/10/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All, my experience with grammar check is that it tends to be
> very stupid and not particularly good at figuring out what you're
> trying to say.  Homophones are a problem for me as well--even
> though I intellectually know how to use them correctly, I often
> type the wrong one.  The best thing I've found to do is have
> someone else look at my papers if they're long and important,
> like a term paper.  That's a good idea anyway because for any
> writer what you write makes sense to you but may make less sense
> to your audience.  As far as style guides go, I would recommend
> the Turabian manuel, which is also available on Bookshare.  The
> long name is _A Manual for Writers of Research Papers, Theses,
> and Dissertations: Chicago Style for Students and Researchers_ by
> Kate Turabian.  It has a very good grammar section, an excellent
> overview of how to write research papers, and it gives you the
> style guide for both kinds of Chicago citations, which is used by
> almost everyone in higher level academia (sometimes slightly
> modified for certain disciplines) except for psychology and
> sociology (who use APA) and literary criticism (which uses MLA).
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>, "National
> Association ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 07:01:33 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and
> Grammar check
>
> Hello all (but especially kaiti),
> 	A quick update, from shortly after receiving Derek’s
> extremely useful link:
> 	Microsoft word has this cool setting, which I cannot seem to
> get to permanently stay on, but it is cool never the less.
> If you are using JAWS and your Microsoft word is 2013, you
> need to press the Alt key plus F, then T, then arrow down
> twice to proofing. Once you are here, tab over until you
> find the area, which says, “Writing Style.” If you make sure
> it says “Grammar and writing style,” Microsoft word will
> catch all grammatical mistakes. Sadly, the contextual
> checker fails to catch all but the most obvious homophones
> (I tested it on a document where I knew for sure I
> misspelled suite as sweet).
> If I find anything else by being proactive, I will let you guys
> know. If I do not, perhaps someone with more knowledge in this
> area will come forth. As it stands, all the suggestions have been
> fantastic (I downloaded the Elements of language fourth Ed. From
> bookshare and it is brilliant).
> Thanks everyone,
> Michael
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek
> Manners via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 10:06 PM
> To: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and
> Grammar check
>
> Here's something for office 2007.
>
> http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/microsoft-office/use-word-2007s-
> contextual-spell-checker-to-avoid-embarrassing-errors/
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  I would say pausing on each one to double check is your best
> bet. I know I pay special attention to those even though I use
> zoomtext because I frequently just misuse them out of
> carelessness. Ideally, grammar checks will continue to become
> smarter. There may also be a setting you can adjust to make it
> more stringent. When I'm not on a train, I can look and see how
> to get to the menu. But I know you can have it mark when you do
> one or two spaces after a period as incorrect grammatically so
> there may be an option to catch more grammar.
>
>  Best wishes
>  Derek Manners
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 12:55 AM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet..org> wrote:
>
>  Hello All:
>
>    Alright, but in the case of just listening to a document, if
> one is using JAWS or another screen reader, how does one catch
> spelling or grammar errors? For example, if one accidentally uses
> wile instead of while, even though they actually know that while
> ought to be used instead of wile, how do they catch that they
> used the wrong while? Would they just have to pause every time
> they come to a homophone, and ensure it is the correct one?
>    I believe most of my issues arise from this problem, and since
> a professor recently commented on this, I probably should make it
> go away. I apologize, if I’m being overly persistent.
>  Best Regards,
>  Michael
>
>  ________________________________________
>  From: kcj21 [kcj21 at bellsouth.net]
>  Sent: Friday, January 09, 2015 9:33 PM
>  To: Kaiti Shelton; Michael D Ausbun; National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] MicroSoft Word question: Spelling and
> Grammar check
>
>  Hi all,
>        When checking for grammar and spelling mistakes, I
> generally just read through my papers several times. If you have
> grammar or citation  questions, I suggest reading Strunk and
> White's The Elements of Style and Purdue Online Writing Lab
> respectively. As for commas, you use them before the
> conjunctions: for, and, nor, but, or , yet,so (FANBOYS). You also
> use them in a list, after a preposition, after an if clause, and
> around nonrestrictive appositives.
>
>  Hope this helps,
>  Kaley
>
>
>  On Saturday, January 10, 2015 12:17 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>  To be honest, I would be interested in an answer to this
> question too.
>  Especially since I have chosen English classes in college based
> more
>  on their theme and reading material than their writing, I think
> I'm
>  becoming rusty for lack of practice.  My biggest problem seems
> to be
>  that I overuse commas, placing them in places where I think it
> would
>  be natural to pause when speaking because that's how my brain
> works.
>  Grammar check doesn't catch these issues most of the time and I
>  honestly don't remember a lot of my grammar lessons from almost
> 4
>  years ago.
>
>  Michael, I'm an advocate for more braille, but even though I
> read
>  books in braille all the time this is still an issue for me.
> Don't
>  feel too bad.  :)
>
>  On 1/9/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>  Hello Nabs!
>    This is probably a silly question, easily solved if I were to
> read more
>  braille; however, because I don't have the resources or time, I
> figured I'd
>  give this a shot.
>    I've found that it is becoming recently more common, that I
> tend to miss
>  spelling and grammar mistakes, even after I do a spelling and
> grammar check
>  on my documents (school, work, etc.). I was wondering, is there
> a saves-all
>  trick that you guys use, in order to catch the homophones or
> random, but
>  easily made, Grammar mistakes?
>  Respectfully,
>  Michael
>  Secretary, Nevada Association of Blind Student, National
> Federation of the
>  Blind
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>
>  --
>  Kaiti
>
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 18:36:26 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 10:36:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
Arielle

On 1/9/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
> has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
> that a simple pdf is accessible
> I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
> time and don't have so much past experience.
> Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
> An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
> Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
> If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
> services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 19:50:36 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (filerime at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 14:50:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A8A2A3F-8A94-44B0-BE5C-7A3FE4518761@gmail.com>

 Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other statistical books

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
> Arielle
> 
>> On 1/9/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
>> has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
>> that a simple pdf is accessible
>> I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
>> time and don't have so much past experience.
>> Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>> An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>> Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>> If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
>> services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so many tables and screenshotsDs in this book


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 20:58:52 2015
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:58:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone:
I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
Do any of you use Spotify?
What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able
to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on
ITunes.
Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the
windows client.
It seems to be very inaccessible.
Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I
try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem accessible to us?
Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly
becoming old-fashioned lol?
I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with the
latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left behind
when it comes to new things that are popular.
Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be
accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all platforms?
Thanks,
Kerri


From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 22:29:01 2015
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:29:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
In-Reply-To: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B04A33F-74E0-44CF-9CBA-ADB3F9BA5538@gmail.com>

Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to listen to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users so you can discover new music and still listen to the songs that you love, and none of it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make sense to me to pay 1.29 for songs that you're going to listen to once or twice, and then going to hear on the random in rotation later that you might skip. I save more money with Spotify then I would if I kept buying all the songs that I wanted to listen to through iTunes. The windows client isn't accessible, however the app for the iPhone and I devices is. I hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone:
> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
> Do any of you use Spotify?
> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able
> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on
> ITunes.
> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the
> windows client.
> It seems to be very inaccessible.
> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I
> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem accessible to us?
> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly
> becoming old-fashioned lol?
> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with the
> latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left behind
> when it comes to new things that are popular.
> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be
> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all platforms?
> Thanks,
> Kerri
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 23:10:19 2015
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <9A8A2A3F-8A94-44B0-BE5C-7A3FE4518761@gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A8A2A3F-8A94-44B0-BE5C-7A3FE4518761@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3256789-4F4A-4488-84F9-0D7AC92A637B@gmail.com>

If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher. Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.

HTH
Tamika Willliams   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other statistical books
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 1/9/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
>>> has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
>>> that a simple pdf is accessible
>>> I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
>>> time and don't have so much past experience.
>>> Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>> An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>> Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>> If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
>>> services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>>  I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 02:53:09 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 21:53:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <B3256789-4F4A-4488-84F9-0D7AC92A637B@gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A8A2A3F-8A94-44B0-BE5C-7A3FE4518761@gmail.com>
	<B3256789-4F4A-4488-84F9-0D7AC92A637B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73DFE756-8157-44C6-9768-06968CA880C2@gmail.com>

Who is the publisher? I have received very prompt responses from some of them, but not all.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher. Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
> 
> HTH
> Tamika Willliams   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other statistical books
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 1/9/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
>>>> has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
>>>> that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>> I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
>>>> time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>> Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>> An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>> Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>> If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
>>>> services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>>> I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Jan 11 04:00:40 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 23:00:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <73DFE756-8157-44C6-9768-06968CA880C2@gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9d=7P6Fn==CsasGg7QwcaJw8uCFG33akJGjcY490rfjgQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCiz4B5NfS7bJzvyjHVqt5NbjXv2nb_1kDEOQ23QU=qag@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A8A2A3F-8A94-44B0-BE5C-7A3FE4518761@gmail.com>
	<B3256789-4F4A-4488-84F9-0D7AC92A637B@gmail.com>
	<73DFE756-8157-44C6-9768-06968CA880C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54AED08C-8C15-4F8E-8905-93C288E38B87@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Definitely keep us updated once you've tried options. There may be stuff the NfB can do to help things along. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:53 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Who is the publisher? I have received very prompt responses from some of them, but not all.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher. Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Tamika Willliams   
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other statistical books
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/9/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new school
>>>>> has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They think
>>>>> that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>>> I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in short of
>>>>> time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>>> Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>>> An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>>> Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>>> If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's disability
>>>>> services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>>>> I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 04:42:04 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 23:42:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
In-Reply-To: <7B04A33F-74E0-44CF-9CBA-ADB3F9BA5538@gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7B04A33F-74E0-44CF-9CBA-ADB3F9BA5538@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYu1YTJV37UgfEFCwXjCxtn3JO=htnvW5i8gXFLkSoncA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I just asked a few questions about Spotify a few days ago as I'm
required to use the program for a class.  I'm hooked on it now and
here's what I found.

The mobile app is probably your best shot for an accessible interface.
Even using it on a run-down IPhone 4 with IOS 7 it does a really good
job.  I can add songs to my own playlists, browse playlists popular by
region or made by Spotify, and basically do everything.  I'm starting
off with the 7 day trial for Spotify premume so I can play individual
songs and add them to my playlists more quickly than I would be able
to do while in shuffle mode, but playing in shuffle mode is free.  I
personally wouldn't pay for premume when this trial period runs out
because I don't mind the shuffle mode.

The big advantage to this system is that you don't have to buy the
songs.  You can have as many playlists of your own as you like, with
as many songs as you want in each one.  You could collect a huge
library without paying a dime for it.  In order to do that in iTunes
you would need to pay a pretty good price.  Most people I know have at
least 500 songs in their libraries, and if you multiply 500 tracks by
a dollar and twenty nine cents, that's a huge amount.  Even if you
consider that some people only buy ITunes tracks with gift cards to
avoid personal expense, it's still someone else's money going into
paying for the songs.

I'd highly recommend downloading the app.  It's free to run on shuffle
mode, and they'll offer you the free 7 day premume trial which you can
use to build up your playlists before it goes away.  You'll still be
able to add songs after that period ends, you'll just have to come
across songs in shuffle mode rather than clicking on the individual
one.

Most people I know play ITunes on shuffle anyway, so I think Spotify
is pretty well worth it.

On 1/10/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to listen
> to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users so you can
> discover new music and still listen to the songs that you love, and none of
> it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make sense to me to pay 1.29 for
> songs that you're going to listen to once or twice, and then going to hear
> on the random in rotation later that you might skip. I save more money with
> Spotify then I would if I kept buying all the songs that I wanted to listen
> to through iTunes. The windows client isn't accessible, however the app for
> the iPhone and I devices is. I hope this helps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone:
>> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
>> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
>> Do any of you use Spotify?
>> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
>> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able
>> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on
>> ITunes.
>> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the
>> windows client.
>> It seems to be very inaccessible.
>> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I
>> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
>> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem accessible to
>> us?
>> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly
>> becoming old-fashioned lol?
>> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with the
>> latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left behind
>> when it comes to new things that are popular.
>> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be
>> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
>> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all
>> platforms?
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>>
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-- 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 12:33:35 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 07:33:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
Message-ID: <54b26dbd.0ca86b0a.2273.72b7@mx.google.com>

The=20trouble=20with=20that=20is=20this=20is=20a=20stats=20book,=20which=20=
means=20it=20
will=20include=20a=20large=20number=20of=20tables,=20graphs,=20and=20mathem=
atical=20
formulae,=20and=20Bookshare=20does=20not=20typically=20transcribe=20these=20=

properly=20nor=20are=20they=20accessible=20in=20a=20pdf=20from=20the=20publ=
isher.=20=20
Someone=20would=20have=20to=20actually=20sit=20down=20and=20write=20in=20de=
scriptions=20
of=20the=20graphs=20etc.=20to=20make=20the=20book=20accessible.=20=20This=20=
is=20awkward,=20
but=20if=20you=20can't=20get=20that=20done,=20you=20might=20have=20to=20hav=
e=20your=20dss=20
provide=20you=20with=20a=20reader=20to=20sit=20down=20and=20explain=20the=20=
graphs=20and=20
formulae=20to=20you.=20=20Make=20sure=20you=20get=20them=20to=20give=20you=
=20someone=20who=20
knows=20statistics--sometimes=20they=20will=20give=20you=20like=20an=20exer=
cise=20
science=20major=20or=20something,=20and=20they=20will=20have=20a=20really=20=
hard=20time=20
describing=20things.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Tamika=20Williams=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"filerime at gmail.com"=20<filerime at gmail.com>,National=20
Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sat,=2010=20Jan=202015=2017:10:19=20-0600
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20I'm=20looking=20for=20a=20book

If=20you=20have=20already=20tried=20both=20Learning=20Ally=20and=20Bookshar=
e=20then=20I=20
have=20a=20few=20other=20=20suggestions.=20you=20should=20ccontact=20your=20=
bookstore=20
to=20see=20if=20the=20print=20version=20of=20the=20book=20comes=20with=20an=
=20access=20code=20
that=20gives=20you=20access=20to=20the=20online=20version=20of=20the=20text=
book.=20If=20
that=20is=20not=20a=20choice=20then=20you=20or=20your=20Disabled=20Student=
=20Services=20
could=20request=20an=20electronic=20copy=20directly=20from=20the=20publishe=
r.=20
Lastly,=20you=20could=20put=20in=20a=20special=20request=20on=20Bookshare=20=
and=20if=20
they=20can=20obtain=20the=20book=20they=20will=20make=20it=20available=20to=
=20you=20as=20
soon=20as=20they=20can.=20I=20will=20tell=20you=20though=20that=20if=20you=
=20choose=20to=20
request=20a=20book=20from=20the=20publisher=20or=20if=20you=20pace=20a=20sp=
ecial=20
request=20from=20Bookshare=20that=20i=20may=20take=20a=20while=20before=20y=
ou=20get=20it.

HTH
Tamika=20Willliams

Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2010,=202015,=20at=201:50=20PM,=20Elif=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l=
@nfbnet.org>=20
wrote:

=20Book=20share=20doesn't=20have=20that=20particular=20book=20they=20have=20=
other=20
statistical=20books

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Jan=2010,=202015,=20at=2013:36,=20Arielle=20Silverman=20
<arielle71 at gmail.com>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20Elif,=20Have=20you=20checked=20BookShare=20or=20Learning=20Ally?
=20Arielle

=20On=201/9/15,=20Elif=20Emir=20=C3=96ks=C3=BCz=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wro=
te:
=20Hello=20all,
=20For=202=20of=20my=20spring=20courses=20I=20need=20a=20book.=20Unfortunet=
ly=20my=20new=20
school
=20has=20a=20little=20idea=20and=20experience=20about=20alternate=20texts.=
=20They=20
think
=20that=20a=20simple=20pdf=20is=20accessible
=20I=20also=20registered=20to=20those=20classes=20very=20late.=20So=20they=
=20are=20in=20
short=20of
=20time=20and=20don't=20have=20so=20much=20past=20experience.
=20Did=20anyone=20use=20this=20book=20in=20accessible=20format?
=20An=20introduction=20to=20statistical=20concepts?=203rd=20edition
=20Richard=20Lomax,=20it=20should=20be=202012=20or=202013
=20If=20yes=20please=20let=20me=20know.=20My=20school=20can=20ask=20your=20=
school's=20
disability
=20services=20dept=20to=20get=20the=20accessible=20version=20of=20it=20from=
=20there.

=20_______________________________________________
=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a=
ccount=20
info=20for
=20nabs-l:
=20
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
mail.com
=20=20I=20don't=20want=20to=20read=20that=20book=20in=20Odeal=20because=20t=
here=20are=20so=20
many=20tables=20and=20screenshotsDs=20in=20this=20book

=20_______________________________________________
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=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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ccount=20
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 16:47:08 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:47:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <54b26dbd.0ca86b0a.2273.72b7@mx.google.com>
References: <54b26dbd.0ca86b0a.2273.72b7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d8xVTz-Jm1COx=c0ZF0aK4m1EPA8g=SiVX0wEair_=mw@mail.gmail.com>

I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
help from nfb.
UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
blind people but not totally.
Thanks for your suggestions.
I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then my guys.


2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
> describing things.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>
> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>
> HTH
> Tamika Willliams
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
> statistical books
>
>  Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>  Arielle
>
>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hello all,
>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
> school
>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
> think
>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
> short of
>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
> disability
>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  nabs-l mailing list
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
> info for
>  nabs-l:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
> mail.com
>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  nabs-l mailing list
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 16:52:29 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 11:52:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9d8xVTz-Jm1COx=c0ZF0aK4m1EPA8g=SiVX0wEair_=mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54b26dbd.0ca86b0a.2273.72b7@mx.google.com>
	<CAMtP_9d8xVTz-Jm1COx=c0ZF0aK4m1EPA8g=SiVX0wEair_=mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9ek7jYEDE8ZTRC+BbnyPTHxy1b_L50=uChw0CDSAPf7nQ@mail.gmail.com>

They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
chapter, with some tables and grafs?
Would you mind shareing it with me.
I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
tables and graffs are not in them.

2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
> help from nfb.
> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
> blind people but not totally.
> Thanks for your suggestions.
> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then my
> guys.
>
>
> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>> describing things.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>
>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>
>> HTH
>> Tamika Willliams
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>> statistical books
>>
>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>  Arielle
>>
>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>  Hello all,
>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>> school
>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>> think
>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>> short of
>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>> disability
>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>> info for
>>  nabs-l:
>>
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
>> mail.com
>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 11 23:37:53 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 18:37:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
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I think someone already mentioned that statistics books have a lot of
tables and graphs in them that are impossible to make accessible
electronically. No matter if a pdf is completely readable, there's no
way for you to read tables and graphs with Jaws. One option is for you
to ask your DS office to make the text portions of the book accessible
and then get a reader to describe the visual material for you, or you
could make them braille the book fo ryou. I tok Stats last year and my
DS office had to braille the book fo rme because I can't do math by
listening to it.

Minh

On 1/11/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
> Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
> chapter, with some tables and grafs?
> Would you mind shareing it with me.
> I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
> tables and graffs are not in them.
>
> 2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
>> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
>> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
>> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
>> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
>> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
>> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
>> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
>> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
>> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
>> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
>> help from nfb.
>> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
>> blind people but not totally.
>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then my
>> guys.
>>
>>
>> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>>> describing things.
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>>
>>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>> Tamika Willliams
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>>> statistical books
>>>
>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>  Arielle
>>>
>>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>  Hello all,
>>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>>> school
>>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>>> think
>>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>>> short of
>>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>>> disability
>>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>> info for
>>>  nabs-l:
>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
>>> mail.com
>>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>>>
>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>> info for nabs-l:
>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jag
>>> uars%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>>> il.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 00:03:30 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 16:03:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
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Hi all, I've used statistics texts in both E-text and recorded audio
from Learning Ally. When I used E-text I had a reader help me with the
few things that weren't accessible. A little secret: There are a lot
of graphs and tables in the print book, but most are not actually
necessary to read. The few tables that are actually necessary, like
the table of critical values, can be found online. This is coming from
someone who has taken five stats courses and also prefers Braille.
What I'd suggest is to focus on the text part, and then if you have
any trouble following a specific concept, talk with your professor or
a TA to help improve your understanding of the content in that
particular area. If you use recorded audio, they will describe
everything. The trick I used then was to take notes while listening to
the recorded text, using my Braille Note, so I could retain the info.
I've found the best way to learn statistics is to do the homework
problems. This is more important than carefully reading the text. In
fact, in my graduate course where I only had an inaccessible PDF copy
of the text, I stopped bothering with the text altogether after the
first chapter, and just focused on the spoken lectures and the
homework. My husband, who is sighted and was also in that class with
me, didn't read the book either. And we both got A's. So I'd suggest
checking the homework problems to see if you can read the formulas in
them, and if you can't, invest in a reader or see if you can get a
cleaner copy or an audio copy from Learning Ally. Or you could try
asking your professor or TA to simply type up the homework for you.
But don't worry so much about the details in the chapters. This is
just what has worked for me. Good luck!
Arielle

On 1/11/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think someone already mentioned that statistics books have a lot of
> tables and graphs in them that are impossible to make accessible
> electronically. No matter if a pdf is completely readable, there's no
> way for you to read tables and graphs with Jaws. One option is for you
> to ask your DS office to make the text portions of the book accessible
> and then get a reader to describe the visual material for you, or you
> could make them braille the book fo ryou. I tok Stats last year and my
> DS office had to braille the book fo rme because I can't do math by
> listening to it.
>
> Minh
>
> On 1/11/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
>> Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
>> chapter, with some tables and grafs?
>> Would you mind shareing it with me.
>> I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
>> tables and graffs are not in them.
>>
>> 2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
>>> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
>>> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
>>> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
>>> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
>>> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
>>> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
>>> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
>>> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
>>> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
>>> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
>>> help from nfb.
>>> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
>>> blind people but not totally.
>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then my
>>> guys.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>>>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>>>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>>>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>>>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>>>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>>>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>>>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>>>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>>>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>>>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>>>> describing things.
>>>>
>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>>>
>>>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>>>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>>>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>>>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>>>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>>>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>>>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>>>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>>>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>>>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>>>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>> Tamika Willliams
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>>>> statistical books
>>>>
>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>>>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>>  Arielle
>>>>
>>>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>>>> school
>>>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>>>> think
>>>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>>>> short of
>>>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>>>> disability
>>>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>> info for
>>>>  nabs-l:
>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g
>>>> mail.com
>>>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>>>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
>>>>
>>>>  _______________________________________________
>>>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account
>>>> info for nabs-l:
>>>>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/twilliams.jag
>>>> uars%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>> for nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>>>> il.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
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> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 01:46:35 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 20:46:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
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Thanks guys.
we will see how it will work for me. this classes are online. so maybe
it will be an advantage.
I'll ask for a reader when it is required for me.

2015-01-11 19:03 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi all, I've used statistics texts in both E-text and recorded audio
> from Learning Ally. When I used E-text I had a reader help me with the
> few things that weren't accessible. A little secret: There are a lot
> of graphs and tables in the print book, but most are not actually
> necessary to read. The few tables that are actually necessary, like
> the table of critical values, can be found online. This is coming from
> someone who has taken five stats courses and also prefers Braille.
> What I'd suggest is to focus on the text part, and then if you have
> any trouble following a specific concept, talk with your professor or
> a TA to help improve your understanding of the content in that
> particular area. If you use recorded audio, they will describe
> everything. The trick I used then was to take notes while listening to
> the recorded text, using my Braille Note, so I could retain the info.
> I've found the best way to learn statistics is to do the homework
> problems. This is more important than carefully reading the text. In
> fact, in my graduate course where I only had an inaccessible PDF copy
> of the text, I stopped bothering with the text altogether after the
> first chapter, and just focused on the spoken lectures and the
> homework. My husband, who is sighted and was also in that class with
> me, didn't read the book either. And we both got A's. So I'd suggest
> checking the homework problems to see if you can read the formulas in
> them, and if you can't, invest in a reader or see if you can get a
> cleaner copy or an audio copy from Learning Ally. Or you could try
> asking your professor or TA to simply type up the homework for you.
> But don't worry so much about the details in the chapters. This is
> just what has worked for me. Good luck!
> Arielle
>
> On 1/11/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think someone already mentioned that statistics books have a lot of
>> tables and graphs in them that are impossible to make accessible
>> electronically. No matter if a pdf is completely readable, there's no
>> way for you to read tables and graphs with Jaws. One option is for you
>> to ask your DS office to make the text portions of the book accessible
>> and then get a reader to describe the visual material for you, or you
>> could make them braille the book fo ryou. I tok Stats last year and my
>> DS office had to braille the book fo rme because I can't do math by
>> listening to it.
>>
>> Minh
>>
>> On 1/11/15, Elif Emir Öksüz <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> They wanted me to send an example to show what I want.
>>> Does anyone have a good processed statistic book chapter, only one
>>> chapter, with some tables and grafs?
>>> Would you mind shareing it with me.
>>> I have bunch of examples but they are not statistic books, so not many
>>> tables and graffs are not in them.
>>>
>>> 2015-01-11 11:47 GMT-05:00, Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>:
>>>> I read on reviews that the online version of this book is extremely
>>>> bad so I bought the paper coppy hoping that my disability office will
>>>> take care of it. They already requested it from the publisher. While
>>>> waiting for it, one of the other books came from publisher. They
>>>> directly forwarded the pdf to me as an accessible format.
>>>> I went there and talked to them, and I understood they have no idea
>>>> about alternate texts. I am so disappointed with them. I don't believe
>>>> that they can manage to prepare a statistic book.
>>>> I need to educate them I think. Maybe in this point NFB can be
>>>> helpful. If they insist on sending pdfs I'll let you know for some
>>>> help from nfb.
>>>> UC doesn't have a real blind student for years. They have some legally
>>>> blind people but not totally.
>>>> Thanks for your suggestions.
>>>> I'll still request it from bookshare. They can be more successful then
>>>> my
>>>> guys.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2015-01-11 7:33 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> The trouble with that is this is a stats book, which means it
>>>>> will include a large number of tables, graphs, and mathematical
>>>>> formulae, and Bookshare does not typically transcribe these
>>>>> properly nor are they accessible in a pdf from the publisher.
>>>>> Someone would have to actually sit down and write in descriptions
>>>>> of the graphs etc. to make the book accessible.  This is awkward,
>>>>> but if you can't get that done, you might have to have your dss
>>>>> provide you with a reader to sit down and explain the graphs and
>>>>> formulae to you.  Make sure you get them to give you someone who
>>>>> knows statistics--sometimes they will give you like an exercise
>>>>> science major or something, and they will have a really hard time
>>>>> describing things.
>>>>>
>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: "filerime at gmail.com" <filerime at gmail.com>,National
>>>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:10:19 -0600
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I'm looking for a book
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have already tried both Learning Ally and Bookshare then I
>>>>> have a few other  suggestions. you should ccontact your bookstore
>>>>> to see if the print version of the book comes with an access code
>>>>> that gives you access to the online version of the textbook. If
>>>>> that is not a choice then you or your Disabled Student Services
>>>>> could request an electronic copy directly from the publisher.
>>>>> Lastly, you could put in a special request on Bookshare and if
>>>>> they can obtain the book they will make it available to you as
>>>>> soon as they can. I will tell you though that if you choose to
>>>>> request a book from the publisher or if you pace a special
>>>>> request from Bookshare that i may take a while before you get it.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>> Tamika Willliams
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Elif via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Book share doesn't have that particular book they have other
>>>>> statistical books
>>>>>
>>>>>  Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Jan 10, 2015, at 13:36, Arielle Silverman
>>>>> <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Elif, Have you checked BookShare or Learning Ally?
>>>>>  Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 1/9/15, Elif Emir 횜ks체z <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>  Hello all,
>>>>>  For 2 of my spring courses I need a book. Unfortunetly my new
>>>>> school
>>>>>  has a little idea and experience about alternate texts. They
>>>>> think
>>>>>  that a simple pdf is accessible
>>>>>  I also registered to those classes very late. So they are in
>>>>> short of
>>>>>  time and don't have so much past experience.
>>>>>  Did anyone use this book in accessible format?
>>>>>  An introduction to statistical concepts? 3rd edition
>>>>>  Richard Lomax, it should be 2012 or 2013
>>>>>  If yes please let me know. My school can ask your school's
>>>>> disability
>>>>>  services dept to get the accessible version of it from there.
>>>>>
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>>>>>   I don't want to read that book in Odeal because there are so
>>>>> many tables and screenshotsDs in this book
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>>
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>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 04:20:33 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2015 22:20:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Are you a musician?
Message-ID: <CACXqA0oSsgQb=06WHMGJVu7uBv4_TubAb0+OeVva0Tnow=zQcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

We are currently looking for performers for the NABS Café at
Washington Seminar. If you would be interested in performing, please
send a recording to Karen Anderson. Her email address is
kea.anderson at gmail.com

If you have any questions, feel free to send us an email.

Thanks
Bre Brown

Secretary, National Association of Blind Students


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 18:47:18 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 13:47:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
Message-ID: <54b416be.825c8c0a.1e42.565a@mx.google.com>

Hi All hope things are going well.  I wanted to give you another 
update on my independence.  Today I walked out of the 
Communications building at UCF all on my own.  My mom only showed 
me where the class is located two times before she left for work.  
This is another small step toward improving my independence.


From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 19:05:49 2015
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:05:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <54b416be.825c8c0a.1e42.565a@mx.google.com>
References: <54b416be.825c8c0a.1e42.565a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <105E1704-2C10-4A0E-B721-9D9C8658AF04@gmail.com>

Keep up the good work! :-)

Hope Paulos

> On Jan 12, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All hope things are going well.  I wanted to give you another update on my independence.  Today I walked out of the Communications building at UCF all on my own.  My mom only showed me where the class is located two times before she left for work.  This is another small step toward improving my independence.
> 
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 19:24:38 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 11:24:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <105E1704-2C10-4A0E-B721-9D9C8658AF04@gmail.com>
References: <54b416be.825c8c0a.1e42.565a@mx.google.com>
	<105E1704-2C10-4A0E-B721-9D9C8658AF04@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WW2dikOV7YUrYgeBveG79ENvgH7KhTco74NwUti5w17gg@mail.gmail.com>

Good job.:)

On 1/12/15, Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Keep up the good work! :-)
>
> Hope Paulos
>
>> On Jan 12, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All hope things are going well.  I wanted to give you another update on
>> my independence.  Today I walked out of the Communications building at UCF
>> all on my own.  My mom only showed me where the class is located two times
>> before she left for work.  This is another small step toward improving my
>> independence.
>>
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Jan 12 19:35:08 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:35:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice about what to ask disability services when
	researching colleges
Message-ID: <015456D2-C77B-46E7-95EF-4D3A09B338BC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hello NABS, I have a list of general questions that students should ask their disability coordinator either the first time they meet or when doing research about what colleges to attend. 

Can anyone think of blind specific questions to ask?

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 21:24:43 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 16:24:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice about what to ask disability services
	whenresearching colleges
Message-ID: <54b43ba2.4967e00a.0b88.7c81@mx.google.com>

Hi Derek these are the questions that I 4 ask.  How long is the 
turnaround time for accommodation letters? Do you mind if I use 
an IPad Mini in the classroom?


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 15:02:40 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:02:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth pairing with the BrailleSense On-Hand
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fa9=YWW1jykfpmASBFQ0iCpfUAAAatLH0CeuF1-MnuPSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a BrailleSense On-Hand and an IPhone 6.  I'm a little hesitant
to try to pair them because the last time I tried it with my IPhone 4
I messed up and couldn't pair the two devices at all again.  I think I
remember someone telling me that the braille drivers in IOS 6 were
messed up, or weren't suitable for the Sense notetaker products, but I
haven't heard any updates on this.  Has anyone been able to pair a
Sense product like the On-Hand or earlier with an IOS 8 product
successfully?

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 16:02:12 2015
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 11:02:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYu1YTJV37UgfEFCwXjCxtn3JO=htnvW5i8gXFLkSoncA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<7B04A33F-74E0-44CF-9CBA-ADB3F9BA5538@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYu1YTJV37UgfEFCwXjCxtn3JO=htnvW5i8gXFLkSoncA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxxpQrwo3+19WQ0SSODFLcevCFYUYKdx5Lk49AumfDyHAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Daniel, Kaiti, and Everyone Else:
Rather than making a whole new thread, I figured I'd just reply to this one.
I did some exploring/research and have a few more questions about Spotify.
First, I unfortunately signed up for a free trial with Spotify last
summer but wasn't interested then so just let it go so I don't think I
can have a second free trial.
However, since the PC client is inaccessible, what do you do when you
want to listen to your music on the PC? A lot of times I love
listening to my music on the PC rather than my Iphone.
Also, can you pay yearly or just monthly? For a service like this, I'd
rather just pay yearly so I don't have to worry about it every month.
Also, has anyone tried Beats Music? Since Beats is by Apple now, is
there any chance it could become accessible on the PC quicker than
Spotify?
I just feel like if I am going to pay I want the service to be
accessible to me on everything: PC, Phone, ETC.
Is there anywhere we could write to make our voices heard to Spotify
and Beats to make it known we'd like them to be accessible on the PC?
Thanks,
Kerri

On 1/10/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just asked a few questions about Spotify a few days ago as I'm
> required to use the program for a class.  I'm hooked on it now and
> here's what I found.
>
> The mobile app is probably your best shot for an accessible interface.
> Even using it on a run-down IPhone 4 with IOS 7 it does a really good
> job.  I can add songs to my own playlists, browse playlists popular by
> region or made by Spotify, and basically do everything.  I'm starting
> off with the 7 day trial for Spotify premume so I can play individual
> songs and add them to my playlists more quickly than I would be able
> to do while in shuffle mode, but playing in shuffle mode is free.  I
> personally wouldn't pay for premume when this trial period runs out
> because I don't mind the shuffle mode.
>
> The big advantage to this system is that you don't have to buy the
> songs.  You can have as many playlists of your own as you like, with
> as many songs as you want in each one.  You could collect a huge
> library without paying a dime for it.  In order to do that in iTunes
> you would need to pay a pretty good price.  Most people I know have at
> least 500 songs in their libraries, and if you multiply 500 tracks by
> a dollar and twenty nine cents, that's a huge amount.  Even if you
> consider that some people only buy ITunes tracks with gift cards to
> avoid personal expense, it's still someone else's money going into
> paying for the songs.
>
> I'd highly recommend downloading the app.  It's free to run on shuffle
> mode, and they'll offer you the free 7 day premume trial which you can
> use to build up your playlists before it goes away.  You'll still be
> able to add songs after that period ends, you'll just have to come
> across songs in shuffle mode rather than clicking on the individual
> one.
>
> Most people I know play ITunes on shuffle anyway, so I think Spotify
> is pretty well worth it.
>
> On 1/10/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to
>> listen
>> to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users so you can
>> discover new music and still listen to the songs that you love, and none
>> of
>> it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make sense to me to pay 1.29
>> for
>> songs that you're going to listen to once or twice, and then going to
>> hear
>> on the random in rotation later that you might skip. I save more money
>> with
>> Spotify then I would if I kept buying all the songs that I wanted to
>> listen
>> to through iTunes. The windows client isn't accessible, however the app
>> for
>> the iPhone and I devices is. I hope this helps.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone:
>>> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
>>> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
>>> Do any of you use Spotify?
>>> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
>>> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able
>>> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on
>>> ITunes.
>>> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the
>>> windows client.
>>> It seems to be very inaccessible.
>>> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I
>>> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
>>> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem accessible
>>> to
>>> us?
>>> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly
>>> becoming old-fashioned lol?
>>> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with the
>>> latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left behind
>>> when it comes to new things that are popular.
>>> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be
>>> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
>>> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all
>>> platforms?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kerri
>>>
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>
> --
> Kaiti
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From blindstein at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 17:48:48 2015
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 09:48:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity for people who have experience with SSI
Message-ID: <EF8D721B-5613-467D-98DF-6A7A38131DF5@gmail.com>

Opportunity for people who have been on SSI.

Hey NABS. As cochair of the NCIL subcommittee on employment/Social Security, I am on a task force which is working on an initiative to make it easier to go to work with Social Security by eliminating asset and earning limits, and getting rid of the inability to work test.

Social Security is interested in hearing from young adults who are on SSI to learn about the difficulties that they experience with current rules. I am looking to recruit some of you to participate in these dialogues. If you're interested send me a personal message.

For more info on what we are doing, go to www.ourcareeraccess.org.

NCIL (National Council on independent living) is a cross disability organization which has advanced The rights of people with disabilities since 1982. http://www.ncil.org/

Regards 
Justin H
Justin at freed.org

From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 19:45:48 2015
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 13:45:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity for people who have experience with SSI
In-Reply-To: <EF8D721B-5613-467D-98DF-6A7A38131DF5@gmail.com>
References: <EF8D721B-5613-467D-98DF-6A7A38131DF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxfxEBup5WPA0XYnqr5sH_ZyPch9vhZ0fzA1rVtt=v9Tp+L-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Justin,
is this in any way connected to the recent Warren, Brown bill proposed to
apparently lift the SSI income limit to $10,000?

http://www.disabilityscoop.com/2014/03/11/senators-ssi-asset-limits/19180/

http://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/sens-brown-and-warren-introduce-bill-that-would-encourage-work-strengthen-supplemental-security-income-benefits-for-elderly-disabled-and-blind-americans-and-13-million-children

On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:48 AM, Justin Harford via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Opportunity for people who have been on SSI.
>
> Hey NABS. As cochair of the NCIL subcommittee on employment/Social
> Security, I am on a task force which is working on an initiative to make it
> easier to go to work with Social Security by eliminating asset and earning
> limits, and getting rid of the inability to work test.
>
> Social Security is interested in hearing from young adults who are on SSI
> to learn about the difficulties that they experience with current rules. I
> am looking to recruit some of you to participate in these dialogues. If
> you're interested send me a personal message.
>
> For more info on what we are doing, go to www.ourcareeraccess.org.
>
> NCIL (National Council on independent living) is a cross disability
> organization which has advanced The rights of people with disabilities
> since 1982. http://www.ncil.org/
>
> Regards
> Justin H
> Justin at freed.org
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-- 
-Glenn Moore III
Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(for our latest Calendar: nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
"Live the Life You Want"  nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>

From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 20:26:12 2015
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:26:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Are you a musician?
In-Reply-To: <CACXqA0oSsgQb=06WHMGJVu7uBv4_TubAb0+OeVva0Tnow=zQcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACXqA0oSsgQb=06WHMGJVu7uBv4_TubAb0+OeVva0Tnow=zQcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxfxECe5SoApL+4L2Nf5T3K_Dr9H5kiDHu69wfHcqjAFoR-bw@mail.gmail.com>

If only, by the way, Bre, how does the NABS Cafe work?

-Glenn Moore III
Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(for our latest Calendar: nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
"Live the Life You Want"  nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>

On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:20 PM, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>
> We are currently looking for performers for the NABS Café at
> Washington Seminar. If you would be interested in performing, please
> send a recording to Karen Anderson. Her email address is
> kea.anderson at gmail.com
>
> If you have any questions, feel free to send us an email.
>
> Thanks
> Bre Brown
>
> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
>
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From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 20:52:32 2015
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 14:52:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] email, highlighting, and languages
In-Reply-To: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPvdCTGvL-eeij=Mf4PpCwOL1D0sdtya-tJSEsj6SKD1Yiz8hA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxfxECCxOV-tMyk7E6k8M0+ZQ+-Q+JdNv1AtiY4g+R+J+WijQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would think the reason you get the "misspelled" announcement is that in
firefox you have a setting to check and denote or mark misspelled words
(which is not set up in IE). So, rather than tweeking JAWS or anything,
likely, it can be fixed just by settings in Firefox:
Tools menu...Options menu item...Advanced Tab...General Tab..."Check my
spelling as i type" checkbox.

-Glenn Moore III
Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(for our latest Calendar: nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
"Live the Life You Want"  nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I have three separate questions. I need to know how to highlight
> non-consecutive lines of text without using a mouse.  I know how to
> highlight, but when you need to skip lines of text I don't know how.
> I also would like to know why when I am writing an email in my g-mail
> account using firefox JAWS reads it differently then when I do it in
> IE. Instead of just reading through the text I have written, it
> announces "misspelled" everytime it there is a word that is mispelled.
> I happen to find that very annoying, I just want it to read through it
> misspellings and all. But it doesn't do that in IE.  I want to use
> firefox though.  Thoughts??? Suggestions??
> Last question is kind of broad: How do you study Spanish as a blind
> person.  I am coming up on a Spanish class and would greatly
> appreciate any advice I can get. I use JAWS and have a Braille Sense
> as well. I also have an IPhone with VO, and a stream.
> I would love to hear from people who have done this, and how did you do it.
>
> Thanks as always,
> Anna E Givens
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 00:01:15 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:01:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
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Kerri,

While one more voice in the chorus is always helpful, we have been making
our voices heard to Spotify for some time now. Unfortunately, however, our
efforts thus far have been to no avail. AppleVis even highlighted Spotify as
their "Campaign of the Month" last summer, encouraging their members to
contact the company and ask that they improve accessibility. The iOS app has
greatly improved, but the PC client is still largely inaccessible.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:02 AM
To: Kaiti Shelton; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...

Hi Daniel, Kaiti, and Everyone Else:
Rather than making a whole new thread, I figured I'd just reply to this one.
I did some exploring/research and have a few more questions about Spotify.
First, I unfortunately signed up for a free trial with Spotify last summer
but wasn't interested then so just let it go so I don't think I can have a
second free trial.
However, since the PC client is inaccessible, what do you do when you want
to listen to your music on the PC? A lot of times I love listening to my
music on the PC rather than my Iphone.
Also, can you pay yearly or just monthly? For a service like this, I'd
rather just pay yearly so I don't have to worry about it every month.
Also, has anyone tried Beats Music? Since Beats is by Apple now, is there
any chance it could become accessible on the PC quicker than Spotify?
I just feel like if I am going to pay I want the service to be accessible to
me on everything: PC, Phone, ETC.
Is there anywhere we could write to make our voices heard to Spotify and
Beats to make it known we'd like them to be accessible on the PC?
Thanks,
Kerri

On 1/10/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just asked a few questions about Spotify a few days ago as I'm 
> required to use the program for a class.  I'm hooked on it now and 
> here's what I found.
>
> The mobile app is probably your best shot for an accessible interface.
> Even using it on a run-down IPhone 4 with IOS 7 it does a really good 
> job.  I can add songs to my own playlists, browse playlists popular by 
> region or made by Spotify, and basically do everything.  I'm starting 
> off with the 7 day trial for Spotify premume so I can play individual 
> songs and add them to my playlists more quickly than I would be able 
> to do while in shuffle mode, but playing in shuffle mode is free.  I 
> personally wouldn't pay for premume when this trial period runs out 
> because I don't mind the shuffle mode.
>
> The big advantage to this system is that you don't have to buy the 
> songs.  You can have as many playlists of your own as you like, with 
> as many songs as you want in each one.  You could collect a huge 
> library without paying a dime for it.  In order to do that in iTunes 
> you would need to pay a pretty good price.  Most people I know have at 
> least 500 songs in their libraries, and if you multiply 500 tracks by 
> a dollar and twenty nine cents, that's a huge amount.  Even if you 
> consider that some people only buy ITunes tracks with gift cards to 
> avoid personal expense, it's still someone else's money going into 
> paying for the songs.
>
> I'd highly recommend downloading the app.  It's free to run on shuffle 
> mode, and they'll offer you the free 7 day premume trial which you can 
> use to build up your playlists before it goes away.  You'll still be 
> able to add songs after that period ends, you'll just have to come 
> across songs in shuffle mode rather than clicking on the individual 
> one.
>
> Most people I know play ITunes on shuffle anyway, so I think Spotify 
> is pretty well worth it.
>
> On 1/10/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to 
>> listen to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users 
>> so you can discover new music and still listen to the songs that you 
>> love, and none of it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make 
>> sense to me to pay 1.29 for songs that you're going to listen to once 
>> or twice, and then going to hear on the random in rotation later that 
>> you might skip. I save more money with Spotify then I would if I kept 
>> buying all the songs that I wanted to listen to through iTunes. The 
>> windows client isn't accessible, however the app for the iPhone and I 
>> devices is. I hope this helps.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone:
>>> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
>>> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
>>> Do any of you use Spotify?
>>> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
>>> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able 
>>> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on 
>>> ITunes.
>>> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the 
>>> windows client.
>>> It seems to be very inaccessible.
>>> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I 
>>> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
>>> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem 
>>> accessible to us?
>>> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly 
>>> becoming old-fashioned lol?
>>> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with 
>>> the latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left 
>>> behind when it comes to new things that are popular.
>>> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be 
>>> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
>>> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all 
>>> platforms?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kerri
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Wed Jan 14 00:04:20 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 19:04:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
In-Reply-To: <00fa01d02f8d$3796d370$a6c47a50$@gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxzFVek1C59KGEYeJeOPf42hx16pt9zQV_MtgjiN5dAqGA@mail.gmail.com>
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Spotify just came to Canada a few months ago. Yes, again, we're last to the party. Lol.
The Mac app is also quite inaccessible. Honestly if I use spotify I just airplay from IPhone or iPad to my Mac.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 19:01, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Kerri,
> 
> While one more voice in the chorus is always helpful, we have been making
> our voices heard to Spotify for some time now. Unfortunately, however, our
> efforts thus far have been to no avail. AppleVis even highlighted Spotify as
> their "Campaign of the Month" last summer, encouraging their members to
> contact the company and ask that they improve accessibility. The iOS app has
> greatly improved, but the PC client is still largely inaccessible.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:02 AM
> To: Kaiti Shelton; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
> 
> Hi Daniel, Kaiti, and Everyone Else:
> Rather than making a whole new thread, I figured I'd just reply to this one.
> I did some exploring/research and have a few more questions about Spotify.
> First, I unfortunately signed up for a free trial with Spotify last summer
> but wasn't interested then so just let it go so I don't think I can have a
> second free trial.
> However, since the PC client is inaccessible, what do you do when you want
> to listen to your music on the PC? A lot of times I love listening to my
> music on the PC rather than my Iphone.
> Also, can you pay yearly or just monthly? For a service like this, I'd
> rather just pay yearly so I don't have to worry about it every month.
> Also, has anyone tried Beats Music? Since Beats is by Apple now, is there
> any chance it could become accessible on the PC quicker than Spotify?
> I just feel like if I am going to pay I want the service to be accessible to
> me on everything: PC, Phone, ETC.
> Is there anywhere we could write to make our voices heard to Spotify and
> Beats to make it known we'd like them to be accessible on the PC?
> Thanks,
> Kerri
> 
> On 1/10/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just asked a few questions about Spotify a few days ago as I'm 
>> required to use the program for a class.  I'm hooked on it now and 
>> here's what I found.
>> 
>> The mobile app is probably your best shot for an accessible interface.
>> Even using it on a run-down IPhone 4 with IOS 7 it does a really good 
>> job.  I can add songs to my own playlists, browse playlists popular by 
>> region or made by Spotify, and basically do everything.  I'm starting 
>> off with the 7 day trial for Spotify premume so I can play individual 
>> songs and add them to my playlists more quickly than I would be able 
>> to do while in shuffle mode, but playing in shuffle mode is free.  I 
>> personally wouldn't pay for premume when this trial period runs out 
>> because I don't mind the shuffle mode.
>> 
>> The big advantage to this system is that you don't have to buy the 
>> songs.  You can have as many playlists of your own as you like, with 
>> as many songs as you want in each one.  You could collect a huge 
>> library without paying a dime for it.  In order to do that in iTunes 
>> you would need to pay a pretty good price.  Most people I know have at 
>> least 500 songs in their libraries, and if you multiply 500 tracks by 
>> a dollar and twenty nine cents, that's a huge amount.  Even if you 
>> consider that some people only buy ITunes tracks with gift cards to 
>> avoid personal expense, it's still someone else's money going into 
>> paying for the songs.
>> 
>> I'd highly recommend downloading the app.  It's free to run on shuffle 
>> mode, and they'll offer you the free 7 day premume trial which you can 
>> use to build up your playlists before it goes away.  You'll still be 
>> able to add songs after that period ends, you'll just have to come 
>> across songs in shuffle mode rather than clicking on the individual 
>> one.
>> 
>> Most people I know play ITunes on shuffle anyway, so I think Spotify 
>> is pretty well worth it.
>> 
>> On 1/10/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to 
>>> listen to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users 
>>> so you can discover new music and still listen to the songs that you 
>>> love, and none of it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make 
>>> sense to me to pay 1.29 for songs that you're going to listen to once 
>>> or twice, and then going to hear on the random in rotation later that 
>>> you might skip. I save more money with Spotify then I would if I kept 
>>> buying all the songs that I wanted to listen to through iTunes. The 
>>> windows client isn't accessible, however the app for the iPhone and I 
>>> devices is. I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Everyone:
>>>> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
>>>> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
>>>> Do any of you use Spotify?
>>>> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
>>>> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able 
>>>> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on 
>>>> ITunes.
>>>> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the 
>>>> windows client.
>>>> It seems to be very inaccessible.
>>>> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I 
>>>> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
>>>> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem 
>>>> accessible to us?
>>>> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly 
>>>> becoming old-fashioned lol?
>>>> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with 
>>>> the latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left 
>>>> behind when it comes to new things that are popular.
>>>> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be 
>>>> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
>>>> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all 
>>>> platforms?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kerri
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>> for
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>>>> .com
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti
>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 02:44:56 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:44:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
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Good thinking though!  Airplay could be a good solution, and then you
could use the app for free without having to pay for it.

On 1/13/15, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Spotify just came to Canada a few months ago. Yes, again, we're last to the
> party. Lol.
> The Mac app is also quite inaccessible. Honestly if I use spotify I just
> airplay from IPhone or iPad to my Mac.
>
> God bless. :)
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
> work email:
> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
> Personal email:
> matt.dierckens at me.com
>
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 19:01, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kerri,
>>
>> While one more voice in the chorus is always helpful, we have been making
>> our voices heard to Spotify for some time now. Unfortunately, however,
>> our
>> efforts thus far have been to no avail. AppleVis even highlighted Spotify
>> as
>> their "Campaign of the Month" last summer, encouraging their members to
>> contact the company and ask that they improve accessibility. The iOS app
>> has
>> greatly improved, but the PC client is still largely inaccessible.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kerri Kosten
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:02 AM
>> To: Kaiti Shelton; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Spotify Questions...
>>
>> Hi Daniel, Kaiti, and Everyone Else:
>> Rather than making a whole new thread, I figured I'd just reply to this
>> one.
>> I did some exploring/research and have a few more questions about
>> Spotify.
>> First, I unfortunately signed up for a free trial with Spotify last
>> summer
>> but wasn't interested then so just let it go so I don't think I can have
>> a
>> second free trial.
>> However, since the PC client is inaccessible, what do you do when you
>> want
>> to listen to your music on the PC? A lot of times I love listening to my
>> music on the PC rather than my Iphone.
>> Also, can you pay yearly or just monthly? For a service like this, I'd
>> rather just pay yearly so I don't have to worry about it every month.
>> Also, has anyone tried Beats Music? Since Beats is by Apple now, is there
>> any chance it could become accessible on the PC quicker than Spotify?
>> I just feel like if I am going to pay I want the service to be accessible
>> to
>> me on everything: PC, Phone, ETC.
>> Is there anywhere we could write to make our voices heard to Spotify and
>> Beats to make it known we'd like them to be accessible on the PC?
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>>
>> On 1/10/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I just asked a few questions about Spotify a few days ago as I'm
>>> required to use the program for a class.  I'm hooked on it now and
>>> here's what I found.
>>>
>>> The mobile app is probably your best shot for an accessible interface.
>>> Even using it on a run-down IPhone 4 with IOS 7 it does a really good
>>> job.  I can add songs to my own playlists, browse playlists popular by
>>> region or made by Spotify, and basically do everything.  I'm starting
>>> off with the 7 day trial for Spotify premume so I can play individual
>>> songs and add them to my playlists more quickly than I would be able
>>> to do while in shuffle mode, but playing in shuffle mode is free.  I
>>> personally wouldn't pay for premume when this trial period runs out
>>> because I don't mind the shuffle mode.
>>>
>>> The big advantage to this system is that you don't have to buy the
>>> songs.  You can have as many playlists of your own as you like, with
>>> as many songs as you want in each one.  You could collect a huge
>>> library without paying a dime for it.  In order to do that in iTunes
>>> you would need to pay a pretty good price.  Most people I know have at
>>> least 500 songs in their libraries, and if you multiply 500 tracks by
>>> a dollar and twenty nine cents, that's a huge amount.  Even if you
>>> consider that some people only buy ITunes tracks with gift cards to
>>> avoid personal expense, it's still someone else's money going into
>>> paying for the songs.
>>>
>>> I'd highly recommend downloading the app.  It's free to run on shuffle
>>> mode, and they'll offer you the free 7 day premume trial which you can
>>> use to build up your playlists before it goes away.  You'll still be
>>> able to add songs after that period ends, you'll just have to come
>>> across songs in shuffle mode rather than clicking on the individual
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Most people I know play ITunes on shuffle anyway, so I think Spotify
>>> is pretty well worth it.
>>>
>>> On 1/10/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Spotify is amazing! Think about it, you're paying 10 bucks a month to
>>>> listen to any album you want, playlists that are customized by users
>>>> so you can discover new music and still listen to the songs that you
>>>> love, and none of it has to be purchased at all. It doesn't make
>>>> sense to me to pay 1.29 for songs that you're going to listen to once
>>>> or twice, and then going to hear on the random in rotation later that
>>>> you might skip. I save more money with Spotify then I would if I kept
>>>> buying all the songs that I wanted to listen to through iTunes. The
>>>> windows client isn't accessible, however the app for the iPhone and I
>>>> devices is. I hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Everyone:
>>>>> I keep hearing about Spotify, and how popular it is.
>>>>> Apparently, it is replacing buying music on ITunes.
>>>>> Do any of you use Spotify?
>>>>> What is the advantage of it over buying songs from ITunes?
>>>>> It just seems a little expensive to me to pay $10 a month to be able
>>>>> to stream music when I could buy individual tracks for cheaper on
>>>>> ITunes.
>>>>> Anyway, I logged into Spotify through Facebook and downloaded the
>>>>> windows client.
>>>>> It seems to be very inaccessible.
>>>>> Then, I tried the web player. I can see the tracks fine, but when I
>>>>> try to hit enter or space to play the song it won't play.
>>>>> Is Spotify worth paying for when it really doesn't even seem
>>>>> accessible to us?
>>>>> Do any of you still prefer buying music from ITunes or am I quickly
>>>>> becoming old-fashioned lol?
>>>>> I am asking these questions because I really like to keep up with
>>>>> the latest technology/current trends and don't want to become left
>>>>> behind when it comes to new things that are popular.
>>>>> Is there any way to make our voices heard to Spotify? It should be
>>>>> accessible to us like it is to everyone else.
>>>>> Should I hold off on subscribing/paying until it's accessible on all
>>>>> platforms?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Kerri
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From amber.r.kraft at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 04:59:05 2015
From: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com (Amber Kraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:59:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
Message-ID: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?

Thank you
Amber Kraft


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 05:22:34 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 21:22:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
In-Reply-To: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCEURNCTFOcnwmk-rWJMfmL4y8TScBOmcHOnVF9KmQouw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amber, My suggestion is to go to class by yourself and not bring
anyone with you unless you are truly having trouble keeping up. My
experience is that a lot of instructors think their PowerPoint content
is inaccessible when in fact it is just fine to listen to the spoken
lectures and read the textbook. If you are having any trouble
following, you can make an appointment to see your instructor during
office hours, but I am pretty sure your instructor is worrying over
nothing. Also, online classes aren't always accessible. I think
attending the class in person where you can hear the lectures and
perhaps study with classmates is your best bet. You can also share
notes with the other blind student. I really don't think the
instructor needs to do much if anything to adapt the class. Also, I
have a doctorate in psychology and taught social and general
psychology before, so feel free to email me offlist if you have
specific concept questions. Good luck!
Arielle

On 1/13/15, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>    My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
> have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
> signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
> up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
> to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
> my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
> from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
> concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
> there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
> suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
> to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
> After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
> little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
> would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
> they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
> explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
> the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
> with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
> that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
> needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
> another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
> will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
> after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
> an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
> to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
> with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
> not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
> disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
> with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
> did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
> is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
> as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
> wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?
>
> Thank you
> Amber Kraft
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 05:22:05 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 00:22:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
Message-ID: <54b5fd20.251e320a.6883.2d83@mx.google.com>

I would suggest you go to class and talk to your instructor 
there, if you haven't heard back by that point.  Sighted people 
often underestimate what blind people can understand from videos 
and overestimate the importance of visuals on powerpoint and 
such.  Actually your DSS office is responsible for making the 
powerpoints accessible to you and having someone describe the 
pictures.  If the instructor sends them the powerpoint ahead of 
time--sending an e-mail is hardly too much work for your 
instructor--they should be able to have someone describe the 
charts and such.  Psychology really isn't very visual, and 
there's no reason for you not to be able to take this class.  
Most of my instructors have been nice and would come over to me 
and quietly describe the videos while they were playing, but if 
this instructor doesn't really want to help you, which is what it 
sounds like, having a reader sit in the class with you might 
work.  To be honest that's probably overkill though.  You could 
most likely understand most of the videos on your own, and maybe 
have the instructor send you the links--again this takes like 30 
seconds for them to do--so you can watch them on your own with 
someone to describe if they're very visual.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 22:59:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

Hello,
   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new 
classes I
have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I 
have
signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after 
signing
up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a 
meeting
to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with 
all of
my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an 
email
from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology 
instructors
concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained 
that
there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the 
time
to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that 
I
would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long 
as
they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with 
me to
explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures 
on
the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after 
talking
with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained 
to me
that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations 
that I
needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she 
has
another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations 
or and
will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to 
send
an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up 
with
to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is 
ok
with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors 
will
not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining 
what the
disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be 
ok
with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this 
email I
did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well 
tomorrow
is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what 
to do
as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this 
point?

Thank you
Amber Kraft

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 05:52:04 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 00:52:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
In-Reply-To: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <040D152A-666C-49E5-AFE1-5BB87110E06E@aol.com>

Hi Amber,
I agree with Arielle.  Just go to the class. Many professors underestimate students with disabilities out of fear or because they think they will be a burden. We know this is not true. You can have the other student who is blind, the professor, or DS coordinated send you power points or notes. Honestly like Arielle said, if you read the textbook and attend lectures you probably won't even need them. 
Anyway walk in that class with confidence and all the tools you know will make you successful and you will be just that. In May enjoy grinning from ear to ear as you walk out of the professor's final with an A because you just proved another person's perception wrong.
Best of luck and if you get stuck with any of your course work there are plenty of people happy to help.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 13, 27 Heisei, at 11:59 PM, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
> have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
> signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
> up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
> to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
> my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
> from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
> concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
> there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
> suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
> to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
> After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
> little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
> would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
> they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
> explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
> the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
> with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
> that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
> needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
> another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
> will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
> after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
> an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
> to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
> with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
> not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
> disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
> with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
> did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
> is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
> as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
> wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?
> 
> Thank you
> Amber Kraft
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan 14 06:18:22 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:18:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
In-Reply-To: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6A8A1EDE-BA52-466A-9226-545C2EAEB834@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hello.  My name is Derek Manners. I'm currently a 2L at Harvard Law and interning at NFB Legal. Would you mind if I forward this information to the attorney at the NFB?  What your university and professor are doing is HIGHLY illegal. They can't say they don't have time, they can't try to bully you into taking an online class, they must provide you with equal access. I agree practically that you probably won't suffer much from having inaccessible  classroom content since it is psychology. However, this is a disturbing pattern and if it were a different class, could be a major issue. 

My email is dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu

My cell is 9032716494

Best wishes and good luck

Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
> have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
> signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
> up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
> to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
> my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
> from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
> concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
> there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
> suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
> to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
> After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
> little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
> would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
> they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
> explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
> the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
> with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
> that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
> needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
> another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
> will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
> after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
> an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
> to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
> with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
> not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
> disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
> with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
> did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
> is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
> as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
> wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?
> 
> Thank you
> Amber Kraft
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 06:50:23 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 01:50:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
In-Reply-To: <6A8A1EDE-BA52-466A-9226-545C2EAEB834@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CAHZN=B-fHcYh69_EUtcUriQjXYJLsgO3JA+z6AZ3HHtkfrsELQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6A8A1EDE-BA52-466A-9226-545C2EAEB834@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ-ByPvBXT9cf2zaYHEGFKiPn+-ZOLCWW-tjLgwVb9dwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.

I take a lot of psych classes as I'm working towards a minor.  Most of
the time, psychology has to do with very observable things.  Videos
will often have dialog which can be descriptive enough for a blind
person to follow.  I always have a weekly chat with my professors just
to check in about class material that may not be printed on the
syllabus, or to ask questions.  Sometimes if they are planning to show
a video with no dialog in class, they'll either send me the link to
the video so I can view it in advance of the class and have someone
describe it to me, or they'll send it to the DS office, where one of
the workers will write a text description I can use to follow along as
the clip is playing.  Then, if any questions persist, I can clarify
with the professor before class and have the issue taken care of.

The DS needs to really be the one to provide your accommodations.
Also, it doesn't make sense for a prof to provide accommodations for
one blind student and not the other.  Profs don't get to pick and
choose which qualifying disabled students they get to provide
accommodations for... those accommodation letters have to be honored
according to what you're approved for.

Talking to profs in person is essential.  Ironically, I had a similar
thing happen with a social psych professor I have.  She sent me an
email asking which accommodations on my letter I would actually be
using.  Other profs have sent these emails requesting more specific
information, but they usually say something about wanting to be sure I
have access to the materials, or they know how to create a positive
learning environment for everyone, etc.  I The prof already told me
about her pretty strict testing policies, and so I thought she was
trying to figure out what accommodations were okay by her.  In class
though, it was clear that she just wanted to know what to expect, and
how the system between me, her, and the DS office would work.  I think
most students would agree as well that in the moment when professors
realize the accommodations for a blind person are not as big of a deal
as they think we students are just as relieved that they get it as
they are.

On 1/14/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello.  My name is Derek Manners. I'm currently a 2L at Harvard Law and
> interning at NFB Legal. Would you mind if I forward this information to the
> attorney at the NFB?  What your university and professor are doing is HIGHLY
> illegal. They can't say they don't have time, they can't try to bully you
> into taking an online class, they must provide you with equal access. I
> agree practically that you probably won't suffer much from having
> inaccessible  classroom content since it is psychology. However, this is a
> disturbing pattern and if it were a different class, could be a major issue.
>
>
> My email is dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu
>
> My cell is 9032716494
>
> Best wishes and good luck
>
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 13, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
>> have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
>> signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
>> up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
>> to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
>> my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
>> from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
>> concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
>> there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
>> suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
>> to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
>> After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
>> little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
>> would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
>> they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
>> explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
>> the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
>> with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
>> that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
>> needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
>> another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
>> will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
>> after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
>> an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
>> to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
>> with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
>> not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
>> disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
>> with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
>> did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
>> is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
>> as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
>> wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?
>>
>> Thank you
>> Amber Kraft
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 16:28:50 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:28:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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Hello Amber,

Have you tried explaining to the professor the skills you use in the
classroom to succeed as a blind student? I have found it helpful to explain
how I do things as a blind student such as how I take notes in class and use
a computer to be rather helpful for me. If I have any reason to believe
either the content of the class or the way the professor teaches the class
may be difficult for me as a blind student, I will ask the professor to
explain how they believe either the content or the teaching methods will be
difficult for me as a blind student. I would then ask to see how they have
dealt with these issues in the past as well as offer my suggestions about
what I believe will work best for me in this particular situation.

I have personally never encountered any problems accessing information on
Power Point slides. It seems to me that usually most of the information you
need to know is either in text on the Power Point slide that is accessible
with speech or is covered in class lectures and the textbook. I think it is
always a good rule to remember that things like charts and graphs are only
picture representations of information that can most likely be found in the
textbook or class lectures. 

I have used readers provided by my college to help describe movies shown in
class before as I thought this would be the only way I could gain access to
all of the information shown in the video. However, I found this method to
be rather distracting to me, and I would probably consider using some of the
other techniques others have already mentioned before using this method
again. 

Although, now that I think about it some more, I did not use a reader to
describe any movies in any of my recent classes that used movies and videos,
and I seemed to do just fine. If there was something in particular the
professor wanted us to pay attention to in the movie or video, the professor
would pause the movie or video to point it out and explain it to the class.
However, professors may use movies and videos in different ways, so this
technique may or may not work for you. If your professor does not use any
class time to discuss the movie or video, I would visit the professor during
his or her office hours to discuss the main points from the movie or video.

As others have already mentioned, it sounds to me like your professor is not
sure about how you will be able to access to information from Power Points
and movies  or videos in this class. It also sounds like the professor is
worried that providing the accommodations you will need will only cause more
work for him or her to do. This of course is not necessarily true, and
talking to your professor about what you can do as a blind student with
minimal effort from your professor may go a long way in soothing your
professor's worries. So if I were you, I would simply show up to class, and
then talk directly with the professor right after class or during the
professor's office hours to specifically explain how you as a blind student
can gain access to the information your professor is worried about with what
should be little effort from your professor.

I hope some of this is helpful for you and that you are able to be
successful in this particular class.

Good luck,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amber Kraft via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:59 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

Hello,
   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I have
ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have signed up for
a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing up for this class
along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting to meet with the
disability cordanater for my school along with all of my new instructers.
Before getting to the meeting I received an email from the disability
cordanater expressing the psychology instructors concerns for me being able
to complete this class. She explained that there are many videos and
powerpoints for the on-campus class and suggested that I take this class
online as she would not have the time to make the videos or the powerpoints
accessible for me.
After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a little
more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I would be able
to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as they are mostly text
and I could have someone attend class with me to explain any videos we may
watch in class or explain any pictures on the powerpoints that would need to
be described. Also after talking with the disability cordanater about this
class it was explained to me that the instructor would not be able to make
the accomadations that I needed because in one of her other classes she is
teaching she has another student who is blind that she has to make
accomadations or and will not have the time to make the accomadations for
both of us.
after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send an
email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with to make
the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok with her that
someone attends class with me as some instructors will not allow that. I did
send the instructor an email explaining what the disability cordanater and I
talked about and asked if it would be ok with her that someone attends class
with me. When sending this email I did CC the disability cordanater on the
email as well. Well tomorrow is going to be my first day of this class and I
am not sure what to do as I have not received an email back from the
instructor. So I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at
this point?

Thank you
Amber Kraft

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 16:41:09 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 11:41:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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Hi everyone,
The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get through anything. 
I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in writing. 
I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok. 
I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology. 
I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money going. Where is the money that supports me going? 
Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience needs to be improved. 
These are just my thoughts. 
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 16:50:03 2015
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 08:50:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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I know what you mean. I wanted more than anything else to major in biology and try to get into medical school. My uni had no idea how to accommodate me, and honestly neither did I. I gave up and changed my major. It would be nice to see a day when disabled people don't have to give up their dreams, but I don't know if that will happen. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 08:41, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get through anything. 
> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in writing. 
> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok. 
> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology. 
> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money going. Where is the money that supports me going? 
> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience needs to be improved. 
> These are just my thoughts. 
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 17:05:55 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:05:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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Amber,

Good for you for your advocacy up front.
This situation is disturbing. I had a similar situation but not with 
psychology. I was in an english lit class. And, just like your situation, 
the professor insists he cannot make the class accessible; said he showed 
videos of the stories we read and gave pop quizzes. Then just like your 
situation, he suggests I take the class online. I could not believe it. 
While I agreed with him that he raised valid concerns about barriers, I 
offered to talk in person or via phone as email was not working well as we 
kept going back and forth. Finally, he went to the dss coordinator about his 
concerns and she called me. I was not going to deal with an adversarial 
situation and discuss it with the dss cordinator since he went behind my 
back doing this. So, I dropped the class.

I was not able to take marketing either due to a professor's visual style 
with videos and an online video game.

Its too bad when professors have an attitude of inflexibility. I just say 
this because you ought to know you are not alone, and I suspect with the 
trend of more multimedia in classes, this is only getting worse.

Regarding your situation, I echo what others said.
Be firm but polite. It is illegal for them to barr you from class and bully 
you into online classes to make it easier for them. Besides as Arielle said, 
online classes  may not be too accessible either as they use lots of 
multimedia and sometimes live discussions. I do not know if that is 
accessible as I have not tried it. But it would not surprise me if 
blackboard collaborate is not accessible.


I suggest going to class and taking notes and participating best you can.
Your professor should have come to you with concerns, not the dss 
coordinator!

I cannot believe the school is allowing the professor to decide if you can 
have a reader in class.
That ought to be an accomodation, period, not something the professor can 
deny you simply because he is uncomfortable with it.


He may simply not have emailed you back because he is busy.
So go to class with an open mind. Afterwards, set up a meeting with the 
professor.

Explain to the professor how you do the class like how you take notes
For powerpoints, as other said, often you can get what is on them by 
listening and reading your text.
Powerpoints are meant to be an outline  of content anyway, not filled with 
text.
You can access them by either downloading them from blackboard or whatever 
your school uses for their online platform, if the professor uses it.
If not, have the professor email you powerpoints before class.
You can read the text with jaws, and have someone describe any charts or 
pictures. A reader the school gives you can do it, or the professor himself 
during office hours.
But, charts may not even be  necessary if its described in your text with 
words.
Oh, and if the powerpoint is too big for email, give the professor a USB 
drive or cd rom.
Ask him  to place the powerpoints for several classes on it. then in two 
weeks or so, do it again.

Do not let him say he does not have time due to another blind student. That 
is hogwash because most of our accomodations are easy to honor if the 
professor plans ahead of time.
Planning your lessons and lectures is something a good professor ought to do 
anyway!
Two of my accomodations are access to slides and alternate form of handouts. 
Since many professors post to blackboard anyway, they do not need to make a 
special accomodation for me.
In fact, most students would benefit from seeing the slides ahead of class 
anyway!
In other words, what I'm saying, is the professor ought to plan ahead anyway 
and be accomodating to all student needs, not just yours.
I simply do not buy the excuse about their time.
Is he a full time professor?
If so, he is paid for office hours and that includes prep time.
Adjuncts are not paid for extra time, but any good adjunct should still make 
time for accomodations.

So, powerpoints are not a big obstacle in my experience.

Regarding videos, I  have not found a good solution.
I simply ask a classmate to describe a little bit and learn what I can with 
the narration on the video.

I took several psychology classes, btw, and some had videos. Most did not.
I generally found videos for those classes to be supplemental though. So 
they complemented the lecture, not gave you information
you needed to know.

Once we have more information on how he teaches including more about the 
videos, we might be able to offer more suggestions.
If videos are more vital to the class, you might want to find an 
accomodation. If thhey are simply supplemental to reinforce lectures,, then 
you may not need to worry so much.

The key is to go to class and be yourself. Then meet the professor one on 
one and see what you can work out.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Amber Kraft via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2015 11:59 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

Hello,
   My name is Amber and as this is the first week of my new classes I
have ran in to a few problems and I am not sure what to do. I have
signed up for a Intro to Psychology on-campus class and after signing
up for this class along with the rest of my classes I set up a meeting
to meet with the disability cordanater for my school along with all of
my new instructers. Before getting to the meeting I received an email
from the disability cordanater expressing the psychology instructors
concerns for me being able to complete this class. She explained that
there are many videos and powerpoints for the on-campus class and
suggested that I take this class online as she would not have the time
to make the videos or the powerpoints accessible for me.
After meeting with the disability cordanater and talking to her a
little more about my options for this class it it was agreed that I
would be able to make the powerpoints accessible myself as long as
they are mostly text and I could have someone attend class with me to
explain any videos we may watch in class or explain any pictures on
the powerpoints that would need to be described. Also after talking
with the disability cordanater about this class it was explained to me
that the instructor would not be able to make the accomadations that I
needed because in one of her other classes she is teaching she has
another student who is blind that she has to make accomadations or and
will not have the time to make the accomadations for both of us.
after meeting with the disability cordanater she had told me to send
an email to my instructor and explain to her what we have come up with
to make the class accessible for me and to make sure that it is ok
with her that someone attends class with me as some instructors will
not allow that. I did send the instructor an email explaining what the
disability cordanater and I talked about and asked if it would be ok
with her that someone attends class with me. When sending this email I
did CC the disability cordanater on the email as well. Well tomorrow
is going to be my first day of this class and I am not sure what to do
as I have not received an email back from the instructor. So I am
wondering if anyone has any suggestions on what to do at this point?

Thank you
Amber Kraft

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 14 17:20:50 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:20:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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Message-ID: <COL401-EAS79D7E9F841F2836BD928A8BA410@phx.gbl>

Hello Bridget,

Someone else can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is the main
reason why the NFB is fighting so hard to pass the TEACH Act. I know there
was an announcement sent out not too long ago asking students to submit
stories to share with Congress about why the TEACH Act is needed. If you ask
me, I believe your email is a good example of how the TEACH Act would help
blind students in the classroom, and I would encourage you to share it with
those who are collecting stories from blind students to share with members
of Congress during Washington Seminar.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom

Hi everyone,
The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we
face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support
from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get
through anything. 
I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because
the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you
today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the
education now. It isn't your professor.
We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access
and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you
take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in
writing. 
I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students
with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not
see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor
in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok. 
I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let
alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need
to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That
was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was
blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to
settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology. 
I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to
go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money
going. Where is the money that supports me going? 
Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience
needs to be improved. 
These are just my thoughts. 
Bridget

Sent from my iPad
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 17:43:18 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:43:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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Hello Bridget,

I thought you are an education major.
Are you studying to teach english?
Where are you in school? I've seen you here a long time, so I guess you 
might be a senior or junior.

I feel your pain. If we have support from the professor and appropriate 
accomodations and technology, we can get through anything as you said.
But, in my liberal arts education, barriers arose a lot from accessible 
technology to textbooks to professor's attitudes.

I also changed my major from elementary education to a general liberal arts 
degree.
I had other reasons to change, like the work load and that language and 
learning theories were complex,
but believe me, the attitudes of my advisor and dss coordinator  and my own 
insecurities played a role too.

The good news is I can still teach if I want to. I can go back to grad 
school and get it without worrying about general ed requirements.
I can simply focus on education then and I might even study special ed for 
either blind students or learning disabled.
I'm more mature now and determined then years ago when I was at marymount 
university anyway.

I looked for teachers who were low vision or blind and found none.
I had struggles observing classrooms, something I needed for class.

I feel that my program of study I made up combining two fields of study for 
a liberal arts degree was the right decision  because I have a broad base of 
knowledge to get a job, something that is very hard to do for entry level 
work.
I studied psychology and communication. I have many transferable skills to 
get a job in something like public relations, outreach, program 
coordination, or clerical support.
I can also tutor and I believe the few education classes I have coupled with 
my background in human development make me a good potential tutor. I know 
about stages of growth and development from child and adolescent psychology 
and disorders from abnormal psychology.
So my degree was hard earned and worth it.

Still, I  cannot help wondering what it would have been like if my school 
supported me and my parents too.
Having an elementary ed background helps in teaching blind students which 
was my original plan: ed undergrad major, and graduate course work in 
special ed.
Would I have stayed and entered the ed program? Would I have had the 
discipline to stick with it? Would my cooperating teachers been helpful?
I do not know.

On the bright side, those of us on list either have undergrad degrees or are 
working toward it.
We can shape the future. Proving ourselves is hard work, but blazing trails 
will make it easier for future students.

Its hard not to give up, but giving up means society wins. Society needs to 
accept us in the classrooms, in the front offices of corporations, and in 
the positions to impact change.
Yes times have changed, and we should be accepted. I'm also tired of feeling 
I do not belong in a class because of my legal blindness.
Depending on the class, I either drop It or work through it.
Who is paying?
Well, you are paying the professor's salary if you stay in class.
This is all the more reason to give you accomodations.

I'm in a position to take electives now for personal growth and my resume 
while seeking work.
Personally, I do not wish to pay for a class and get a half education. But 
if I were in a program, I might have no choice except if another professor 
taught the class.
So you bring up a good point. you
have to decide if its worth your money to be in a class with an adversarial 
relationship. sometimes you have to, other times there are options like 
taking it with another professor.

So in closing, I believe we need to change higher education.
Technology is more and more a barrier. So with that said, lets change 
things.
lets pass the teach act!

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom

Hi everyone,
The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we 
face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support 
from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get 
through anything.
I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because 
the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you 
today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the 
education now. It isn't your professor.
We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access 
and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you 
take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in 
writing.
I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students 
with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not 
see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor 
in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok.
I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let 
alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need 
to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That 
was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was 
blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to 
settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology.
I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to 
go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money 
going. Where is the money that supports me going?
Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience 
needs to be improved.
These are just my thoughts.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan 14 17:45:14 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:45:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS79D7E9F841F2836BD928A8BA410@phx.gbl>
References: <66F53E12-6F9D-4052-BB87-22761265CDCA@aol.com>
	<COL401-EAS79D7E9F841F2836BD928A8BA410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <35DDC08F-7C9B-477B-BDDF-6419EE44A340@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

As one of the NABS board members, I couldn't have said it better myself Elizabeth. Both Bridget's and Amber's stories would make perfect TEACH Act letters. If anyone would like to write one, I'd be happy to share my way less compelling letter I wrote. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bridget,
> 
> Someone else can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is the main
> reason why the NFB is fighting so hard to pass the TEACH Act. I know there
> was an announcement sent out not too long ago asking students to submit
> stories to share with Congress about why the TEACH Act is needed. If you ask
> me, I believe your email is a good example of how the TEACH Act would help
> blind students in the classroom, and I would encourage you to share it with
> those who are collecting stories from blind students to share with members
> of Congress during Washington Seminar.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
> 
> Hi everyone,
> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we
> face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support
> from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get
> through anything. 
> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because
> the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you
> today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the
> education now. It isn't your professor.
> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access
> and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you
> take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in
> writing. 
> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students
> with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not
> see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor
> in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok. 
> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let
> alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need
> to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That
> was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was
> blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to
> settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology. 
> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to
> go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money
> going. Where is the money that supports me going? 
> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience
> needs to be improved. 
> These are just my thoughts. 
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 17:51:45 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:51:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
Message-ID: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases. 
Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.

Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
Another challenge is finding the search button.

The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.

If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
The same goes for other databases.

When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.

Thanks.

Ashley

From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 18:25:32 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:25:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>

Hi Ashley,
I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
I hope this helps.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases. 
> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
> 
> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
> Another challenge is finding the search button.
> 
> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
> 
> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
> The same goes for other databases.
> 
> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 18:26:55 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:26:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
Message-ID: <54b6b4f9.23de320a.0b1e.54bf@mx.google.com>

Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I 
am a blind college student who took an online psychology class 
when I attended a community college.  I suggest that you convert 
the powerpoints yourself ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be 
converted to Pdf files if they have text in them.  Keep us 
updated on the situation.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 18:40:03 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 13:40:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
Message-ID: <54b6b80e.751f8c0a.4a05.ffffdd80@mx.google.com>

Hi Bridget I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic.  I agree 
that we should not be denied the right to pursue our college 
degrees.  It is not know for professors to not provide 
accommodations to their college students with disabilities.  Each 
professor has their own teaching style for each subject and 
class.  If we pay money for certain college classes we should be 
able to take them.


From freethaught at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 19:08:56 2015
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:08:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth pairing with the BrailleSense On-Hand
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Fa9=YWW1jykfpmASBFQ0iCpfUAAAatLH0CeuF1-MnuPSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7Fa9=YWW1jykfpmASBFQ0iCpfUAAAatLH0CeuF1-MnuPSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C169BC9A-A9F1-4879-92C9-6D95021E4CAA@gmail.com>

Hello,

There were issues in the past, but I have no trouble pairing the Braille Sense U2 with my iPhone 5s. What's like a charm now. Antonio



On Jan 13, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a BrailleSense On-Hand and an IPhone 6.  I'm a little hesitant
> to try to pair them because the last time I tried it with my IPhone 4
> I messed up and couldn't pair the two devices at all again.  I think I
> remember someone telling me that the braille drivers in IOS 6 were
> messed up, or weren't suitable for the Sense notetaker products, but I
> haven't heard any updates on this.  Has anyone been able to pair a
> Sense product like the On-Hand or earlier with an IOS 8 product
> successfully?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 19:11:33 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:11:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <49AA87A85701475D8F2A706FCD380E72@OwnerPC>

Hello Bridgit,
Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is email 
everything in my folder to myself.
Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old fashioned 
reader.
I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But
the combo boxes are not working.

I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes to limit 
it to peer reviewed and full text.
If you use jaws this works.
I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.

Here is  the procedure.
1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your results.
Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command which is 
control F.
Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader
should be there.
Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.

2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to explore 
options first.
Press down arrow to do this.
If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says "list of 
13 items" as I begin this.
Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer reviewed, 
certain dates, etc.

3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check boxes.
4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or scholarly 
article, or whatever you need to check.
This checks the boxes.

5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me what 
search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I know what 
the phrase is to limit your results.

I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I suggest 
getting an appointment
with one of them because not only will you do searches with them, but they 
will suggest sources that are a good fit for your assignment.
I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking for. 
Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would use the 
mouse to help me out.

HTH,
Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that 
say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I 
have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I 
can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS 
documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the 
middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy 
any correct spellings easily.
I hope this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many 
> databases.
> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, 
> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I 
> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>
> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>
> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called 
> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note 
> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>
> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database 
> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference 
> call on this.
> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write 
> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
> The same goes for other databases.
>
> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned 
> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I 
> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:05:00 2015
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:05:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <49AA87A85701475D8F2A706FCD380E72@OwnerPC>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
	<49AA87A85701475D8F2A706FCD380E72@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <BDBBAEE4-F868-42BB-88E9-FC57F7EB930C@gmail.com>

Ashley,

I'm not sure which databases are giving me this trouble, or even what journals do this,

My main issue is that sometimes it can take 30 minutes to do what a sighted person could do it for. For instants, saving a PDF file is extremely frustrating for me as a blind user.

I am a savvy computer user, and I am discouraged from doing research because of this.

It is painstakingly difficult to do certain things. It should not be so, especially in this day and age.

 I would be willing to unite forces with people to make recommendations..

 It takes anywhere from implementation with Cloud services like dropbox, to making a really good, accessible app for saving these files. No reason not to do it in 2015.

Antonio

On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Bridgit,
> Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
> Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is email everything in my folder to myself.
> Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old fashioned reader.
> I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But
> the combo boxes are not working.
> 
> I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes to limit it to peer reviewed and full text.
> If you use jaws this works.
> I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.
> 
> Here is  the procedure.
> 1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your results.
> Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command which is control F.
> Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader
> should be there.
> Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.
> 
> 2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to explore options first.
> Press down arrow to do this.
> If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says "list of 13 items" as I begin this.
> Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer reviewed, certain dates, etc.
> 
> 3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
> Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check boxes.
> 4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or scholarly article, or whatever you need to check.
> This checks the boxes.
> 
> 5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
> Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
> A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me what search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I know what the phrase is to limit your results.
> 
> I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I suggest getting an appointment
> with one of them because not only will you do searches with them, but they will suggest sources that are a good fit for your assignment.
> I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking for. Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would use the mouse to help me out.
> 
> HTH,
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>> 
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>> 
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>> 
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>> 
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:10:09 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:10:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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I just select the pdf and hit alt s, or tab over  to save.  Opening them and
using them is a different story, but saving them is not a problem.
Sometimes, 
They are very "not user friendly".   Try robo braille if you can; you can
send files there and it will make them accessible.  If I have completely
missed the boat on this thread, and not helped you, then I apologize. 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
Guimaraes via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:05 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Ashley,

I'm not sure which databases are giving me this trouble, or even what
journals do this,

My main issue is that sometimes it can take 30 minutes to do what a sighted
person could do it for. For instants, saving a PDF file is extremely
frustrating for me as a blind user.

I am a savvy computer user, and I am discouraged from doing research because
of this.

It is painstakingly difficult to do certain things. It should not be so,
especially in this day and age.

 I would be willing to unite forces with people to make recommendations..

 It takes anywhere from implementation with Cloud services like dropbox, to
making a really good, accessible app for saving these files. No reason not
to do it in 2015.

Antonio

On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello Bridgit,
> Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
> Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is email
everything in my folder to myself.
> Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old
fashioned reader.
> I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But the combo boxes are not 
> working.
> 
> I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes to
limit it to peer reviewed and full text.
> If you use jaws this works.
> I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.
> 
> Here is  the procedure.
> 1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your
results.
> Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command which
is control F.
> Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader should 
> be there.
> Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.
> 
> 2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to explore
options first.
> Press down arrow to do this.
> If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says "list
of 13 items" as I begin this.
> Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer
reviewed, certain dates, etc.
> 
> 3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
> Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check
boxes.
> 4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or scholarly
article, or whatever you need to check.
> This checks the boxes.
> 
> 5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
> Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
> A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me what
search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I know what
the phrase is to limit your results.
> 
> I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I 
> suggest getting an appointment with one of them because not only will you
do searches with them, but they will suggest sources that are a good fit for
your assignment.
> I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking for.
Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would use the
mouse to help me out.
> 
> HTH,
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that
say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I
have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I
can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS
documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the
middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy
any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many
databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them,
but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I
cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say "or".
>> 
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>> 
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called
nova for short, where I'm taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note
about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>> 
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database
problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call
on this.
>> I'd like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write
jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>> 
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned
accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I
would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ashley
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:13:52 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:13:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
accessible than converting them to word?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a blind
college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have text
in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.

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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:13:44 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:13:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
	<49AA87A85701475D8F2A706FCD380E72@OwnerPC>
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Hi Ashley,
epsco takes some time to get used to, but it is accessible.
Our library offered a training how to use ebsco. I took a sighted
friend to the training. After the training we practiced with jaws.
ebsco is hard at the beginning for everybody. don't be discouraged.
For combo boxes, try to open them with alt+ down arrow
for search button, try to navegate with B on keyboard. I don't
remember right now, whether it is a button or link. if it is a link,
you can list the links by hitting insert f7 then pres s until you here
search.
or simply use control f and type there search. jaws will find it.
if you have any questions or concerns about epsco, you can write me any time.

2015-01-14 15:05 GMT-05:00, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Ashley,
>
> I'm not sure which databases are giving me this trouble, or even what
> journals do this,
>
> My main issue is that sometimes it can take 30 minutes to do what a sighted
> person could do it for. For instants, saving a PDF file is extremely
> frustrating for me as a blind user.
>
> I am a savvy computer user, and I am discouraged from doing research because
> of this.
>
> It is painstakingly difficult to do certain things. It should not be so,
> especially in this day and age.
>
>  I would be willing to unite forces with people to make recommendations..
>
>  It takes anywhere from implementation with Cloud services like dropbox, to
> making a really good, accessible app for saving these files. No reason not
> to do it in 2015.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bridgit,
>> Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
>> Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is email
>> everything in my folder to myself.
>> Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old
>> fashioned reader.
>> I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But
>> the combo boxes are not working.
>>
>> I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes to
>> limit it to peer reviewed and full text.
>> If you use jaws this works.
>> I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.
>>
>> Here is  the procedure.
>> 1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your
>> results.
>> Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command which
>> is control F.
>> Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader
>> should be there.
>> Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.
>>
>> 2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to explore
>> options first.
>> Press down arrow to do this.
>> If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says "list
>> of 13 items" as I begin this.
>> Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer
>> reviewed, certain dates, etc.
>>
>> 3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
>> Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check
>> boxes.
>> 4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or scholarly
>> article, or whatever you need to check.
>> This checks the boxes.
>>
>> 5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
>> Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
>> A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me what
>> search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I know what
>> the phrase is to limit your results.
>>
>> I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I suggest
>> getting an appointment
>> with one of them because not only will you do searches with them, but they
>> will suggest sources that are a good fit for your assignment.
>> I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking for.
>> Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would use
>> the mouse to help me out.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that
>> say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I
>> have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder.
>> I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the
>> PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm
>> in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I
>> can't copy any correct spellings easily.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many
>>> databases.
>>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them,
>>> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I
>>> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>>
>>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called
>>> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note
>>> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>>
>>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database
>>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference
>>> call on this.
>>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write
>>> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>>> The same goes for other databases.
>>>
>>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned
>>> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I
>>> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:15:41 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:15:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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What I do is save the apa citations for each article on a separate word document.  Then, when I need the apa spelling and citations, they are in their own documents. I devote a word document to just the citations for the articles.  The articles I save separately. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:26 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
I hope this helps.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases. 
> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
> 
> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
> Another challenge is finding the search button.
> 
> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
> 
> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
> The same goes for other databases.
> 
> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:16:52 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:16:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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I wrote one and sent it in; if anyone would like to see it, then just ask. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Derek Manners
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 12:45 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom

As one of the NABS board members, I couldn't have said it better myself
Elizabeth. Both Bridget's and Amber's stories would make perfect TEACH Act
letters. If anyone would like to write one, I'd be happy to share my way
less compelling letter I wrote. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 12:20 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bridget,
> 
> Someone else can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe this is the 
> main reason why the NFB is fighting so hard to pass the TEACH Act. I 
> know there was an announcement sent out not too long ago asking 
> students to submit stories to share with Congress about why the TEACH 
> Act is needed. If you ask me, I believe your email is a good example 
> of how the TEACH Act would help blind students in the classroom, and I 
> would encourage you to share it with those who are collecting stories 
> from blind students to share with members of Congress during Washington
Seminar.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget 
> Walker via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:41 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
> 
> Hi everyone,
> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major 
> problems we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree 
> if we have support from the professor, technology, accessible 
> materials, and peers we can get through anything.
> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class 
> because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to 
> deal with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's 
> identify who pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to 
> access and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate 
> guess what, you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations 
> you provide in writing.
> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all 
> students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can 
> not see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a 
> doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok.
> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school 
> let alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and 
> people need to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors 
> out there. That was my dream. My college would not let me major in 
> biology because I was blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high 
> school biology. I had to settle for english after getting an A in intro
physiology.
> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me 
> not to go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where 
> is my money going. Where is the money that supports me going?
> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college 
> experience needs to be improved.
> These are just my thoughts. 
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From amber.r.kraft at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:18:08 2015
From: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com (amber kraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 14:18:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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I have always converted them to an RTF outline not sure how much of A difference it makes. 

Thanks 
Amber Kraft 
"You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:13 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
> accessible than converting them to word?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
> To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
> 
> Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a blind
> college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
> community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
> ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have text
> in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.
> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:28:54 2015
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Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:28:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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Hi Amber,
I agree with the suggestions made here.
Just go there.
The videos are generally used for looking great. That course can be
taught with no videos. Now using visual things is a trend. They are
not crucial to teach psyc intro.
if those people thing that psych intro class is so visual, what they
would tell about math, bio, statistic or physics, I'm really
wondering.
One last encouragement for you.
I'm from Turkey and have a psychology major from there.
I had no accommodations. They didn't have disability units. I even
didn't get my book accessible. I was not using jaws at the first year.
I got an A+ from intro class. Just my mom read my chapters and notes
from one of my friends into cassettes.
you'll be fine.

2015-01-14 15:18 GMT-05:00, amber kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> I have always converted them to an RTF outline not sure how much of A
> difference it makes.
>
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> "You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."
>
>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:13 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
>> accessible than converting them to word?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
>> Bacchus
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
>> To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>>
>> Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a
>> blind
>> college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
>> community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
>> ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have
>> text
>> in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.
>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:42:27 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:42:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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Another way to learn that area of the page is just to tab throu it until you know where everything is.  I hate it, you hate it, but sometimes, and my professor  would be laughing at me right now, but sometimes, that is what you have to do.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:14 PM
To: Antonio Guimaraes; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
epsco takes some time to get used to, but it is accessible.
Our library offered a training how to use ebsco. I took a sighted friend to the training. After the training we practiced with jaws.
ebsco is hard at the beginning for everybody. don't be discouraged.
For combo boxes, try to open them with alt+ down arrow for search button, try to navegate with B on keyboard. I don't remember right now, whether it is a button or link. if it is a link, you can list the links by hitting insert f7 then pres s until you here search.
or simply use control f and type there search. jaws will find it.
if you have any questions or concerns about epsco, you can write me any time.

2015-01-14 15:05 GMT-05:00, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Ashley,
>
> I'm not sure which databases are giving me this trouble, or even what 
> journals do this,
>
> My main issue is that sometimes it can take 30 minutes to do what a 
> sighted person could do it for. For instants, saving a PDF file is 
> extremely frustrating for me as a blind user.
>
> I am a savvy computer user, and I am discouraged from doing research 
> because of this.
>
> It is painstakingly difficult to do certain things. It should not be 
> so, especially in this day and age.
>
>  I would be willing to unite forces with people to make recommendations..
>
>  It takes anywhere from implementation with Cloud services like 
> dropbox, to making a really good, accessible app for saving these 
> files. No reason not to do it in 2015.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bridgit,
>> Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
>> Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is 
>> email everything in my folder to myself.
>> Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old 
>> fashioned reader.
>> I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But the combo boxes are 
>> not working.
>>
>> I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes 
>> to limit it to peer reviewed and full text.
>> If you use jaws this works.
>> I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.
>>
>> Here is  the procedure.
>> 1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your 
>> results.
>> Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command 
>> which is control F.
>> Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader should 
>> be there.
>> Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.
>>
>> 2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to 
>> explore options first.
>> Press down arrow to do this.
>> If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says 
>> "list of 13 items" as I begin this.
>> Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer 
>> reviewed, certain dates, etc.
>>
>> 3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
>> Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check 
>> boxes.
>> 4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or 
>> scholarly article, or whatever you need to check.
>> This checks the boxes.
>>
>> 5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
>> Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
>> A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me 
>> what search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I 
>> know what the phrase is to limit your results.
>>
>> I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I 
>> suggest getting an appointment with one of them because not only will 
>> you do searches with them, but they will suggest sources that are a 
>> good fit for your assignment.
>> I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking for.
>> Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would 
>> use the mouse to help me out.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes 
>> that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit 
>> fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder.
>> I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, 
>> the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, 
>> when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets 
>> difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with 
>>> many databases.
>>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in 
>>> them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced 
>>> searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>>
>>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, 
>>> called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send 
>>> EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>>
>>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database 
>>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a 
>>> conference call on this.
>>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can 
>>> write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>>> The same goes for other databases.
>>>
>>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you 
>>> mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every 
>>> accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From audioaccess2013 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 20:52:02 2015
From: audioaccess2013 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:52:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Beginning Expanding Outside Of The Blind Community
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The following tells a story of me going outside of the blind community in the hopes of making new friends, being around positive people, and searching for change in my life to kick off 2015:

Hello All!
I wanted to start off by first wishing you all a very safe and happy New Year. I'm not sure what 2015 will bring to all of us, but I hope you can make memories and enjoy the year.

I know for me, 2014 was a very hard and trying year, and I want 2015 to be a year of personal growth and positive change.

My A Cappellas Anonymous show that you've seen me write about has returned, but in a very new and very exciting way! The opportunity to expand outside of the blind community and become more mainstream has come knocking on my door, and I've decided to take full advantage, and to begin the new chapter of change! And the fun starts tonight, from 7 to 10 PM eastern, and I hope you'll be part of this new and exciting beginning for me. It's the first of many things to come, but it's one of the more exciting starts, and I'm inviting you to tag along! 

There is an internet radio station called Acaville Radio
http://www.acaville.com
that plays a cappella music 24/7. They have an accessible web site, a great variety of music, and even an IPhone app too, so you can listen to them with a very accessible solution for VoiceOver.

And this station is now the new and exclusive home of A Cappellas Anonymous, starting with my debut from 7 to 10 PM eastern. And it's this station's first weekly live show too! Debuts all around, woo hoo!
With the show going onto a station that specializes in the a cappella format, it means more opportunities for the show to grow and become better, expansion outside of the blind community and more!
If you plan on being part of the fun tonight, tune in and you'll hear
Our usual variety of a cappella songs from the college and pro levels
*New Feature* News and info about up coming a cappella events, artists and more
Our A Cappella comparrison of two songs with slightly different versions to see which one you like best
And what ever other surprises we come up with....


As with the show on its old locations, your requests and omments make the show even better. Read below for details on getting in touch during the show.
1. You can skype me at
aaonacaville
or call me at
516 665 1852
2. Email me at
aaonacaville at gmail.com
3. Send tweets to
aaonacaville
and use the hash tag
#aalive
to keep the conversation going.


The fun starts at 7 PM eastern, and goes til 10 PM eastern.

Tuning into the show is, as they say, a snap.
to listen, visit
http://www.acaville.com
and you'll find the links for tuning in very easy to find, use, and click on.
You can also do a search for
acaville
in the ITunes store, and download the *free* mobile app for your phone


Regardless of how you tune in, I'm very excited about making this debut. The opportunity to expand outside of the blind community, meet new people among other things is something I'm very excited about, and hope it all goes well. I hope you have a few minutes to join me for the start of a new 2015 radio adventure.
See you tonight!
>From David Dunphy

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 14 20:59:28 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:59:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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Interesting suggestions.
I know about converting to word under the file menu.
but how do you convert ppt files to pdf?

Are you all saying its easier to read than a ppt slide show.
its quite tedious to read ppt with jaws as I have to tab to each place 
holder, but its doable.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: justin williams via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 PM
To: 'Roanna Bacchus' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
accessible than converting them to word?

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a blind
college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have text
in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.

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From amber.r.kraft at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 21:04:33 2015
From: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com (Amber Kraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 15:04:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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Ashley, When I convert a PPT to a PDF or an RTF outline I do a save as
and change the file type. I have found that Both of these are easier
to read with JAWS then reading a PPT.



On 1/14/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Interesting suggestions.
> I know about converting to word under the file menu.
> but how do you convert ppt files to pdf?
>
> Are you all saying its easier to read than a ppt slide show.
> its quite tedious to read ppt with jaws as I have to tab to each place
> holder, but its doable.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: justin williams via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 PM
> To: 'Roanna Bacchus' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>
> They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
> accessible than converting them to word?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
> To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>
> Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a blind
> college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
> community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
> ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have text
> in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.
>
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-- 
Thanks
Amber Kraft
president of NFB of ND
E-mail: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com
Phone: 701-390-3482

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
 characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
 expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
 between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want;
 blindness is not what holds you back.


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 14 22:32:18 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:32:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NYS OCFS Commission for the Blind - District Manager
 Vacancy
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>
>From: Funk, Judy (OCFS) 
>[<mailto:Judy.Funk at ocfs.ny.gov>mailto:Judy.Funk at ocfs.ny.gov]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:06 PM
>To: Wunder, Gary; <mailto:jvib at nccu.edu>jvib at nccu.edu
>Cc: Daniels, Brian (OCFS); Gray, Roger (OCFS)
>Subject: NYS OCFS Commission for the Blind - District Manager Vacancy
>
>Good afternoon,
>
>My name is Judy Funk and I work in the Personnel 
>Office at the NYS Office of Children and Family 
>Services.  We are currently in the process of 
>recruiting for a District Manager for the Blind 
>in our Commission for the Blind’s Hempstead 
>Field Office and are having difficulty 
>recruiting candidates.  It is critical we fill 
>this position as soon as possible as the person 
>who held that position has vacated the item.
>
>Attached is our advertisement in word 
>format.  Would it be a possibility for you to 
>run the ad in the your newsletter and/or 
>anywhere else you feel applicable?  Please let 
>me know if this is something you can assist us 
>with.  If there is a cost involved, please let 
>me know that information as well as I will share 
>with my colleagues to see if they wish to 
>pursue.  Also, if you have any 
>suggestions/recommendations of other places you 
>think may be worth us reaching out for 
>advertising, that information would be most 
>helpful and much appreciated as well.
>
>Thank you.
>Judy
>
>Judy Funk
>NYS OCFS – Personnel
>52 Washington St., Rm. 231N
>Rensselaer, NY  12144
>Telephone:  (518) 486-4024
>
>

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 00:29:45 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:29:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A New Beginning Expanding Outside Of The Blind
	Community
In-Reply-To: <06AAE630D05B4A5E9778A49781476E6B@WildJasmine>
References: <06AAE630D05B4A5E9778A49781476E6B@WildJasmine>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBuG=hP70-VL9DCJjXSisDiovPWQo-zwOme1PKNrPWz2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David and all,
This post is stilloff topic for the list, in my opinion.
To bring it back on topic, can folks share some things you've done or
been doing to volunteer and give back outside the blindness community?
Best,
Arielle Silverman, List Moderator

On 1/14/15, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The following tells a story of me going outside of the blind community in
> the hopes of making new friends, being around positive people, and searching
> for change in my life to kick off 2015:
>
> Hello All!
> I wanted to start off by first wishing you all a very safe and happy New
> Year. I'm not sure what 2015 will bring to all of us, but I hope you can
> make memories and enjoy the year.
>
> I know for me, 2014 was a very hard and trying year, and I want 2015 to be a
> year of personal growth and positive change.
>
> My A Cappellas Anonymous show that you've seen me write about has returned,
> but in a very new and very exciting way! The opportunity to expand outside
> of the blind community and become more mainstream has come knocking on my
> door, and I've decided to take full advantage, and to begin the new chapter
> of change! And the fun starts tonight, from 7 to 10 PM eastern, and I hope
> you'll be part of this new and exciting beginning for me. It's the first of
> many things to come, but it's one of the more exciting starts, and I'm
> inviting you to tag along!
>
> There is an internet radio station called Acaville Radio
> http://www.acaville.com
> that plays a cappella music 24/7. They have an accessible web site, a great
> variety of music, and even an IPhone app too, so you can listen to them with
> a very accessible solution for VoiceOver.
>
> And this station is now the new and exclusive home of A Cappellas Anonymous,
> starting with my debut from 7 to 10 PM eastern. And it's this station's
> first weekly live show too! Debuts all around, woo hoo!
> With the show going onto a station that specializes in the a cappella
> format, it means more opportunities for the show to grow and become better,
> expansion outside of the blind community and more!
> If you plan on being part of the fun tonight, tune in and you'll hear
> Our usual variety of a cappella songs from the college and pro levels
> *New Feature* News and info about up coming a cappella events, artists and
> more
> Our A Cappella comparrison of two songs with slightly different versions to
> see which one you like best
> And what ever other surprises we come up with....
>
>
> As with the show on its old locations, your requests and omments make the
> show even better. Read below for details on getting in touch during the
> show.
> 1. You can skype me at
> aaonacaville
> or call me at
> 516 665 1852
> 2. Email me at
> aaonacaville at gmail.com
> 3. Send tweets to
> aaonacaville
> and use the hash tag
> #aalive
> to keep the conversation going.
>
>
> The fun starts at 7 PM eastern, and goes til 10 PM eastern.
>
> Tuning into the show is, as they say, a snap.
> to listen, visit
> http://www.acaville.com
> and you'll find the links for tuning in very easy to find, use, and click
> on.
> You can also do a search for
> acaville
> in the ITunes store, and download the *free* mobile app for your phone
>
>
> Regardless of how you tune in, I'm very excited about making this debut. The
> opportunity to expand outside of the blind community, meet new people among
> other things is something I'm very excited about, and hope it all goes well.
> I hope you have a few minutes to join me for the start of a new 2015 radio
> adventure.
> See you tonight!
> From David Dunphy
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 03:28:27 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 22:28:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] browsing history
Message-ID: <92571FA3-C42E-4776-853E-F74BFCDB9E4E@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a bit of a strange question, but hopefully someone can help.  I had visited a website on Monday evening.  I now cannot recall the exact site and, when I entered into Google the search which I thought I had entered when I initially visitted the site, I can’t seem to find the same site.  While I know I probably should have bookmarked the site, I didn’t.  While looking at my Safari history from Monday evening, I do not see the site I visitted.  Is there any way I can recover it, possibly from the Safari cash since I can’t see it in the history?  Thanks.


Ryan L. Silveira
חָים אהרן בן אברהם סילביירה

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Jan 15 08:43:39 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 03:43:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips on Ice Skating with Sighted Peers?
Message-ID: <8D1FEB67E7D31A9-1858-B825@webmail-vm117.sysops.aol.com>

Hi, I am writing to seek any tips on ice skating with sighted peers.
I have experience of ice skating previously, but it has been at least 5 
years since the last time I went.
Also all of my previous skating experience happened with my family 
which meant that my mom was mostly watching out for me. I skated using 
very little vision I have along the perimeter of the rink without my 
cane.
A circle of friends I am part of decided to go to ice skating this 
weekend which I paln to go as well. I am the only blind person in the 
crowd and not sure how accessible the rink we are going to is.
Since I am with my peers who would not be responsible for my safety in 
the rink I want to make sure that I take the necessary steps to ensure 
my safety while skating.
Should i bring my cane with me onto the ice?
Any other tips?
Thank you in advance.
Miso Kwak




From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 13:45:40 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:45:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips on Ice Skating with Sighted Peers?
Message-ID: <54b7c490.091c6b0a.2d5e.23ce@mx.google.com>

Hi Miso thanks for your message.  I would  bring your cane onto 
the ice with you.  Having your cane will allow you to walk the 
perimeter of the rink on your own.


From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 23:53:28 2015
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 17:53:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Update us! NABS notes Request for state updates
Message-ID: <AB98632F-2FAE-40AD-97B6-67575C821830@gmail.com>

Fellow Students,
Hopefully this January  finds you well. As we on the communications committee assemble our monthly issue of NABS notes, we are excited to hear what your state is up to! If you have announcements and/ or
updates from your student’s state division which you would like
published in this month’s edition, you are most welcome to send
them along to Gabe at:
Gcazares10 at gmail.com
Or Rebecca at:
becsjoynfb at gmail.com
cheers and happiest of holidays,
Rebecca~


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 18:46:15 2015
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:46:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] January Membership Call
Message-ID: <6869D411-AD15-40CC-8DF4-720EE2B4FEF8@gmail.com>

Greetings NABS, 

I hope that this email finds you all well and that your semester is off to a good start! I have a little announcement for you all. I hope that you can make room for it in your busy, busy schedules!

For the January Membership Call we will be talking about the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program and also the legislative issues for this year's Washington Seminar. 

We'll have two guest speakers to present on these topics. From the Scholarship Committee we will have Sachin Pavithran and from our National Center, Governmental Affairs Specialist Rose Sloan. This call will take place Sunday, January 18th at 7 p.m eastern/ 6 p.m central/ 5 p.m mountain/ 4 p.m pacific. The call in information is as follows: 

call in number: 605-475-6700
code: 7869673

Hope to talk to you all soon!

Best wishes, 

Candice Chapman

From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Fri Jan 16 18:52:03 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 18:52:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] "Day of Giving" Blind Blood Drive: Thursday, Jan. 22nd
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D5104C5@email.rrlh-sf.local>

3rd Annual "Day of Giving" Blind Blood Drive is Thursday, January 22nd
On January 22nd, the Bay Area blind community will band together to give back by giving blood. The LightHouse has teamed up with the American Red Cross, Northern California Blood Services Region for "Giving Blood, Giving Life: Bay Area Blind Community's 3rd Annual Day of Giving" Blind Blood Drive. In addition to the LightHouse, the Orientation Center for the Blind and the Santa Clara Valley Blind Center will be community hosts of this exciting event.
Please join on January 22nd so we can reach our goal of 150 units! Click here for more information.<http://lighthouse-sf.org/blog/day-giving-blind-blood-drive-thursday-january-22nd/>
What:  "Giving Blood, Giving Life: "Day of Giving" Blind Blood Drive, #blindblooddrive15
When:  Thursday, January 22nd from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.
Where: The following locations:

*         LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired - 214 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco

*         Santa Clara Valley Blind Center - 101 N. Bascom Ave. - San Jose

*         Orientation Center for the Blind - 400 Adams Street, Albany

*         San Jose Blood Donation Center - 2731 North First Street, San Jose

*         Oakland Blood Donation Center - 6230 Claremont Ave, Oakland

*         Contra Costa Blood Donation Center - 140 Gregory Lane, Pleasant Hill

*         Pleasanton Blood Donation Center - 5556-B Springdale Ave, Pleasanton

*         Fremont-Newark Blood Donation Center - 39227 Cedar Blvd, Newark
How: To make an appointment to donate blood, log into redcrossblood.org and enter the sponsor code DayOfGiving or call 1-800-RED CROSS (1-800-733-2767).


From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 19:08:34 2015
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 13:08:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Meeting at Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <000001d031bf$d365c0c0$7a314240$@com>

Howdy NABSters,

I am looking forward to seeing many of you at the 2015 Washington Seminar.
This message is for any state student division presidents or board members
that will be attending the NABS mid-winter seminar Monday Jan. 26; I am
working on putting together a panel which will discuss different recruitment
and outreach techniques used by our state student divisions. If you are a
division president, or board member, interested in participating in this
panel please write to me off-list at gcazares at nfbtx.org. I am hoping to
finalize panel participants no later than tomorrow.

If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out to me.

Thanks,

 

...Gabe

 

Gabe Cazares

281-965-9583

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

"I raise up my voice-not so I can shout but so that those without a voice
can be heard. We cannot succeed when half of us are held back."

Malala Yousafzai

 


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 16 19:38:18 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:38:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for a mailing list for blind users of Apple
	products
Message-ID: <54b968b8.088ae00a.4d2c.fffffd48@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Do any of you know about a mailing list for blind users of apple 
products? The one that was on google groups closed down sometime 
ago.


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Jan 16 19:42:21 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:42:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for a mailing list for blind users of
	Apple	products
In-Reply-To: <54b968b8.088ae00a.4d2c.fffffd48@mx.google.com>
References: <54b968b8.088ae00a.4d2c.fffffd48@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2332CA1A-2DFA-4CF1-8498-F27795601A06@me.com>

Hello.
Are you looking for any specific apple product lists?
There are several lists out there for sure.
Let me know what you're looking for and i can do my best to assist.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 14:38, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> Do any of you know about a mailing list for blind users of apple products? The one that was on google groups closed down sometime ago.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 03:14:24 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:14:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
In-Reply-To: <CAHZN=B_ctjvoYWJx0usRkX1JGaT6UYrJJ7g3byhrho1V3rOQJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54b6b4f9.23de320a.0b1e.54bf@mx.google.com>
	<003301d03036$9eb51860$dc1f4920$@gmail.com>
	<1D045E3FF2044B30B5039A9ECBFAAEA6@OwnerPC>
	<CAHZN=B_ctjvoYWJx0usRkX1JGaT6UYrJJ7g3byhrho1V3rOQJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYfy78HJ9vpV-3cCmQcySGgF5xHWiDRL_i0AB476tiS6Q@mail.gmail.com>

The main benefit to doing this is that you don't have so much tabbing
to do.  Everything is laid out neatly in one convenient document.

Have you managed to make any headway with this professor?

On 1/14/15, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ashley, When I convert a PPT to a PDF or an RTF outline I do a save as
> and change the file type. I have found that Both of these are easier
> to read with JAWS then reading a PPT.
>
>
>
> On 1/14/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Interesting suggestions.
>> I know about converting to word under the file menu.
>> but how do you convert ppt files to pdf?
>>
>> Are you all saying its easier to read than a ppt slide show.
>> its quite tedious to read ppt with jaws as I have to tab to each place
>> holder, but its doable.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: justin williams via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 PM
>> To: 'Roanna Bacchus' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>>
>> They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more
>> accessible than converting them to word?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
>> Bacchus
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
>> To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>>
>> Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a
>> blind
>> college student who took an online psychology class when I attended a
>> community college.  I suggest that you convert the powerpoints yourself
>> ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to Pdf files if they have
>> text
>> in them.  Keep us updated on the situation.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail
>> .com
>>
>>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Thanks
> Amber Kraft
> president of NFB of ND
> E-mail: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com
> Phone: 701-390-3482
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>  characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>  expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>  between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want;
>  blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 04:46:14 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:46:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fbjmcx2J10MdMtX-PgatXJpy=3HnSGzf_4WH5kQfSDkDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could answer any
combination of them I would be really grateful.

1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for the
first time in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a
frequent flyer having only flown once before to a National Convention,
and I am a little unsure of the differences between international
travel and domestic travel.  It was very easy going from one airport
to the other when I went to Orlando, but I don't know what the
procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I want to call
ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware that
someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I am also
a little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the airport
in my destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and the
patois is pretty easy for me to understand, but I also understand that
due to religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be taken
care of."  Not that this is extremely different from treatment we
receive in American airports (I was surprised when I wasn't greeted
with a wheelchair after getting off the plane in 2013), but I guess
I'm just a little nervous going into a third world country where
refusing unnecessary help might be more offensive than what I'm used
to in the states.  Has anyone flown independently to another country,
especially Jamaica or another island in the Caribbean?  If so, would
you be willing to share your experiences?

Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and BrailleSense
On-Hand together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is up-to-date.  I
royally screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if
anyone has resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.

3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it next
semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm
thinking that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture even
though it isn't required for my major, mainly because I think having
the lab will give me a chance to touch some of the things we talk
about in the normally very visual course.  Some of my sighted friends
struggled in Anatomy and think they also would have benefitted from
taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think it will be even more
important for me.  I know many science majors have had issues with
getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and other
hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major I have
no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice would be
very useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with the
professor in February to make sure that she is on-board and has some
input with her expertise into how we can accommodate me in these
courses.

-- 
Kaiti


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sat Jan 17 05:13:25 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:13:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Fbjmcx2J10MdMtX-PgatXJpy=3HnSGzf_4WH5kQfSDkDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7Fbjmcx2J10MdMtX-PgatXJpy=3HnSGzf_4WH5kQfSDkDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS3840E29A29DA09C2BD5593CCE4C0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I found one groups. That might interest you for your first question I
hope it helps.
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-international-students_nfbnet.org

Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is the
best way to communicate, are you interested in meeting new people and making
new friends? Then we have created a group for you.this group, is where blind
and deaf individuals can get together and socialize in communicate. If you
were interested please subscribe here.
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org or send
a blank message to
chat-request at list.ntxability.org


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:46 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions

Hi all,

I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could answer any
combination of them I would be really grateful.

1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for the first time
in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a frequent flyer having
only flown once before to a National Convention, and I am a little unsure of
the differences between international travel and domestic travel.  It was
very easy going from one airport to the other when I went to Orlando, but I
don't know what the procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I
want to call ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware that
someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I am also a
little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the airport in my
destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and the patois is
pretty easy for me to understand, but I also understand that due to
religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be taken care of."  Not
that this is extremely different from treatment we receive in American
airports (I was surprised when I wasn't greeted with a wheelchair after
getting off the plane in 2013), but I guess I'm just a little nervous going
into a third world country where refusing unnecessary help might be more
offensive than what I'm used to in the states.  Has anyone flown
independently to another country, especially Jamaica or another island in
the Caribbean?  If so, would you be willing to share your experiences?

Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and BrailleSense On-Hand
together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is up-to-date.  I royally
screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if anyone has
resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.

3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it next
semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm thinking
that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture even though it isn't
required for my major, mainly because I think having the lab will give me a
chance to touch some of the things we talk about in the normally very visual
course.  Some of my sighted friends struggled in Anatomy and think they also
would have benefitted from taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think it
will be even more important for me.  I know many science majors have had
issues with getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and
other hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major I have
no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice would be very
useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with the professor in
February to make sure that she is on-board and has some input with her
expertise into how we can accommodate me in these courses.

--
Kaiti

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 06:46:14 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 22:46:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
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Hi Kaiti. My travel abroad was only to Australia, but I remember that
the customs forms were completed on the plane, so I asked a flight
attendant for assistance. At the airport you should just give the
customs official your form and possibly answer a few questions
verbally. As for finding your contact, can you email or call ahead and
explain you are blind so instead of waiting for you to find their sign
or see them, could they look out for a person with a cane? That is
probably the easiest way to broach the subject. Generally when I am in
places where English isn't the main language, I tend to accept more
help than I normally would, partly because it's harder to get verbal
directions and partly so as to not offend the locals. Will you be the
only American on this trip?
Arielle

On 1/16/15, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, I found one groups. That might interest you for your first question I
> hope it helps.
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blind-international-students_nfbnet.org
>
> Do you have a problem navigating social media? Do you find that email is
> the
> best way to communicate, are you interested in meeting new people and
> making
> new friends? Then we have created a group for you.this group, is where
> blind
> and deaf individuals can get together and socialize in communicate. If you
> were interested please subscribe here.
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org or
> send
> a blank message to
> chat-request at list.ntxability.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:46 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could answer any
> combination of them I would be really grateful.
>
> 1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for the first
> time
> in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a frequent flyer having
> only flown once before to a National Convention, and I am a little unsure
> of
> the differences between international travel and domestic travel.  It was
> very easy going from one airport to the other when I went to Orlando, but I
> don't know what the procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I
> want to call ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware
> that
> someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I am also a
> little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the airport in my
> destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and the patois is
> pretty easy for me to understand, but I also understand that due to
> religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be taken care of."  Not
> that this is extremely different from treatment we receive in American
> airports (I was surprised when I wasn't greeted with a wheelchair after
> getting off the plane in 2013), but I guess I'm just a little nervous going
> into a third world country where refusing unnecessary help might be more
> offensive than what I'm used to in the states.  Has anyone flown
> independently to another country, especially Jamaica or another island in
> the Caribbean?  If so, would you be willing to share your experiences?
>
> Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and BrailleSense On-Hand
> together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is up-to-date.  I royally
> screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if anyone has
> resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.
>
> 3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it next
> semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm thinking
> that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture even though it
> isn't
> required for my major, mainly because I think having the lab will give me a
> chance to touch some of the things we talk about in the normally very
> visual
> course.  Some of my sighted friends struggled in Anatomy and think they
> also
> would have benefitted from taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think
> it
> will be even more important for me.  I know many science majors have had
> issues with getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and
> other hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major I
> have
> no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice would be very
> useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with the professor in
> February to make sure that she is on-board and has some input with her
> expertise into how we can accommodate me in these courses.
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 13:18:43 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 08:18:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
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What does it do to the pictures; I changed the file type to wordand the
pictures can still completely mess up the document some times.  


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 10:14 PM
To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom

The main benefit to doing this is that you don't have so much tabbing to do.
Everything is laid out neatly in one convenient document.

Have you managed to make any headway with this professor?

On 1/14/15, Amber Kraft via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ashley, When I convert a PPT to a PDF or an RTF outline I do a save as 
> and change the file type. I have found that Both of these are easier 
> to read with JAWS then reading a PPT.
>
>
>
> On 1/14/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Interesting suggestions.
>> I know about converting to word under the file menu.
>> but how do you convert ppt files to pdf?
>>
>> Are you all saying its easier to read than a ppt slide show.
>> its quite tedious to read ppt with jaws as I have to tab to each 
>> place holder, but its doable.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: justin williams via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 PM
>> To: 'Roanna Bacchus' ; 'National Association of Blind Students 
>> mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>>
>> They can also be converted to word. Is converting them to pdf more 
>> accessible than converting them to word?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna 
>> Bacchus via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:27 PM
>> To: Amber Kraft; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessibility in a college classroom
>>
>> Hi Amber thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a 
>> blind college student who took an online psychology class when I 
>> attended a community college.  I suggest that you convert the 
>> powerpoints yourself ahead of time.  Powerpoints can be converted to 
>> Pdf files if they have text in them.  Keep us updated on the 
>> situation.
>>
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>
> --
> Thanks
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> president of NFB of ND
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> Phone: 701-390-3482
>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 16:27:30 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:27:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
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Hi Kaiti,
Congratulations on your studies abroad. I have travelled internationally several times, both to developed and developing countries. I think on my first couple of trips I notified the airlines ahead of time that I would need assistance, but it made no difference. No one had passed along that info and so I still had to just ask for what I needed on the plane/in the airport. I don’t bother letting them know ahead of time anymore. 

Just ask your flight attendant for assistance filling out the customs form. They usually offer to do this anyway but sometimes forget. 

As for rejecting assistance if it is too much, this is far easier to do when you speak a common language. I usually play this one by ear when I get there. I have successfully refused a wheelchair without offending and have also decided that after trying a couple of times, it was not worth my time and energy, especially in an unfamiliar country where I’m not completely fluent. I have not travelled to the Caribbean but have visited Nicaragua twice in the last year. The attitudes toward blind people in Nicaragua sound similar to what you describe in Jamaica. Don’t be afraid to challenge misconceptions just like you would do in the states. Just be kind, gracious, and persistent and know that you are traveling up an even steeper slope than what you may be used to. :)

Please feel free to contact me on or off list if you have more questions.

Best,

Gregg
gpaikens at gmail.com

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could answer any
> combination of them I would be really grateful.
> 
> 1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for the
> first time in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a
> frequent flyer having only flown once before to a National Convention,
> and I am a little unsure of the differences between international
> travel and domestic travel.  It was very easy going from one airport
> to the other when I went to Orlando, but I don't know what the
> procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I want to call
> ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware that
> someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I am also
> a little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the airport
> in my destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and the
> patois is pretty easy for me to understand, but I also understand that
> due to religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be taken
> care of."  Not that this is extremely different from treatment we
> receive in American airports (I was surprised when I wasn't greeted
> with a wheelchair after getting off the plane in 2013), but I guess
> I'm just a little nervous going into a third world country where
> refusing unnecessary help might be more offensive than what I'm used
> to in the states.  Has anyone flown independently to another country,
> especially Jamaica or another island in the Caribbean?  If so, would
> you be willing to share your experiences?
> 
> Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and BrailleSense
> On-Hand together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is up-to-date.  I
> royally screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if
> anyone has resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.
> 
> 3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it next
> semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm
> thinking that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture even
> though it isn't required for my major, mainly because I think having
> the lab will give me a chance to touch some of the things we talk
> about in the normally very visual course.  Some of my sighted friends
> struggled in Anatomy and think they also would have benefitted from
> taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think it will be even more
> important for me.  I know many science majors have had issues with
> getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and other
> hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major I have
> no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice would be
> very useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with the
> professor in February to make sure that she is on-board and has some
> input with her expertise into how we can accommodate me in these
> courses.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 16:37:51 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:37:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
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Hi Katy,
I took physiology my first year of college. I loved it. My advice to you is to get a great lab partner who can be very descriptive in a short amount of time. You do not have a lot of time to get down to work but, if you get a good partner you should be able to get a nice description before getting started on your task. 
I'm taking an earth science lab this semester. I'm kind of freaking out because the first day of classes is this Wednesday but I have not heard from the professor at all. I have emailed him. He has not posted his book or anything. To think, I have to survive lab with this guy does not impress me. 
I really hope your professor is in contact with you and you can work together to get through the class. I think you can.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 16, 27 Heisei, at 11:46 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could answer any
> combination of them I would be really grateful.
> 
> 1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for the
> first time in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a
> frequent flyer having only flown once before to a National Convention,
> and I am a little unsure of the differences between international
> travel and domestic travel.  It was very easy going from one airport
> to the other when I went to Orlando, but I don't know what the
> procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I want to call
> ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware that
> someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I am also
> a little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the airport
> in my destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and the
> patois is pretty easy for me to understand, but I also understand that
> due to religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be taken
> care of."  Not that this is extremely different from treatment we
> receive in American airports (I was surprised when I wasn't greeted
> with a wheelchair after getting off the plane in 2013), but I guess
> I'm just a little nervous going into a third world country where
> refusing unnecessary help might be more offensive than what I'm used
> to in the states.  Has anyone flown independently to another country,
> especially Jamaica or another island in the Caribbean?  If so, would
> you be willing to share your experiences?
> 
> Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and BrailleSense
> On-Hand together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is up-to-date.  I
> royally screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if
> anyone has resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.
> 
> 3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it next
> semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm
> thinking that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture even
> though it isn't required for my major, mainly because I think having
> the lab will give me a chance to touch some of the things we talk
> about in the normally very visual course.  Some of my sighted friends
> struggled in Anatomy and think they also would have benefitted from
> taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think it will be even more
> important for me.  I know many science majors have had issues with
> getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and other
> hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major I have
> no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice would be
> very useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with the
> professor in February to make sure that she is on-board and has some
> input with her expertise into how we can accommodate me in these
> courses.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 19:58:13 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:58:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS apps.
Message-ID: <EB20F3E2-5B91-467B-B6B1-8C8CBC3AB467@gmail.com>

 Hello everyone of this group. I wanted to come in and say a quick hello. I hope everyone here is well.
I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any good gps apps out there, I have seeing eye gps and sendero look around.
I would like input on this. If you would like to also get in touch with me and get to know me etc, please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com for any nonlist related topics.
Please feel free to reply to this email, as all of your input and suggestions are welcome.
Take care everyone, and I'm honored to be a part of this group.
I hope I can make good friends here and find helpful resources.
Take care once again.
Mabelin


sent from my iPhone using voiceover

From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sat Jan 17 20:16:44 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:16:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
	apps.
In-Reply-To: <EB20F3E2-5B91-467B-B6B1-8C8CBC3AB467@gmail.com>
References: <EB20F3E2-5B91-467B-B6B1-8C8CBC3AB467@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7633610B-BB9B-46DB-860A-2CE2F449E8DC@me.com>

Hello,
I would recommend blind square, you can use it in conjunction with Seeing Eye GPS, maps, or Google maps. It's $30, and is a very awesome app. I use it and have done so for about two years now.

Matt Dierckens
Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2015, at 14:58, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone of this group. I wanted to come in and say a quick hello. I hope everyone here is well.
> I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any good gps apps out there, I have seeing eye gps and sendero look around.
> I would like input on this. If you would like to also get in touch with me and get to know me etc, please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com for any nonlist related topics.
> Please feel free to reply to this email, as all of your input and suggestions are welcome.
> Take care everyone, and I'm honored to be a part of this group.
> I hope I can make good friends here and find helpful resources.
> Take care once again.
> Mabelin
> 
> 
> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 20:57:19 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:57:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who use blind mice mart
Message-ID: <54bacce7.098d420a.1bd9.ffffd6f3@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
If anyone could answer this that uses Blind Mice Mart, I'd really 
appreciate it.
I get quite a few e-mails from them about certain sales and 
products.  I'd like to stop receiving the e-mails if possible.  
Anyone know how to disable them?
Thanks,
Vejas


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 21:14:51 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:14:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
	apps.
Message-ID: <54bad0db.105f8c0a.7a11.088b@mx.google.com>

Hi Mabelin my name is Roanna Bacchus.  I would reommend the 
sendero look around for your BrailleNote Apex.  I have used this 
a few times and it works well.


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sat Jan 17 22:20:48 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:20:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions
Message-ID: <0NIC00AR7E3NILZ0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Kaiti and all,

I have traveled internationally many times before, not 
independently yet but every summer we go to France to visit my 
relatives on my mom's side of the family.  I really enjoy the 
experience, and am confident that I'll be aing to accomplish it 
independently.
I have never been to any other countries in this continent 
(except for a road trip to Canada), so I can't answer you for the 
Caribean specifically.

As others have said, you fill out those forms on the plane, so 
you should be able to ask a flight attendant for assistance.  As 
for letting the airline know of your blindness, I never had to do 
that personally, as I've always traveled with my mom and brother.  
I do know though that you can either email the airline in advance 
to request assistance or just wait until you get to the airport.
 Ironically though, the only time I've been offered a wheelchair 
was on the return flight from France we took this summer.  We had 
made a stop in Dublin, Ireland, and then took another flight from 
there to here in New York.  Anyway, what was ironic was that as 
we ! getting off the plane, this flight attendant saw that I was 
blind and offered me a wheelchair.  I told him that I didn't need 
it, and he didn't even get offended.  He just said OK, and I was 
able to get off the plane with my family.

And yes, I do agree that knowing the language does help.  I 
personally  am fluent in French and Spanish as well as English, 
so I think I would be able to manage as well in those languages 
as well as in English.  If I were in a place where I don't know 
the language, though, I'd probably be like Arielle and request 
help more often.

Hope this helps.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 11:27:30 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A few unrelated questions

Hi Kaiti,
Congratulations on your studies abroad.  I have travelled 
internationally several times, both to developed and developing 
countries.  I think on my first couple of trips I notified the 
airlines ahead of time that I would need assistance, but it made 
no difference.  No one had passed along that info and so I still 
had to just ask for what I needed on the plane/in the airport.  I 
don't bother letting them know ahead of time anymore.

Just ask your flight attendant for assistance filling out the 
customs form.  They usually offer to do this anyway but sometimes 
forget.

As for rejecting assistance if it is too much, this is far easier 
to do when you speak a common language.  I usually play this one 
by ear when I get there.  I have successfully refused a 
wheelchair without offending and have also decided that after 
trying a couple of times, it was not worth my time and energy, 
especially in an unfamiliar country where I'm not completely 
fluent.  I have not travelled to the Caribbean but have visited 
Nicaragua twice in the last year.  The attitudes toward blind 
people in Nicaragua sound similar to what you describe in 
Jamaica.  Don't be afraid to challenge misconceptions just like 
you would do in the states.  Just be kind, gracious, and 
persistent and know that you are traveling up an even steeper 
slope than what you may be used to.  :)

Please feel free to contact me on or off list if you have more 
questions.

Best,

Gregg
gpaikens at gmail.com

 On Jan 16, 2015, at 11:46 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a few unrelated questions here, but if anyone could 
answer any
 combination of them I would be really grateful.

 1.  International travel.  I'll be flying internationally for 
the
 first time in June for a study abroad trip.  I am by no means a
 frequent flyer having only flown once before to a National 
Convention,
 and I am a little unsure of the differences between 
international
 travel and domestic travel.  It was very easy going from one 
airport
 to the other when I went to Orlando, but I don't know what the
 procedure is for filling out customs forms.  Would I want to 
call
 ahead to the airline to make sure the personelle are aware that
 someone will ned to help me fill out the customs paperwork?  I 
am also
 a little nervous about reaching my contact person once in the 
airport
 in my destination.  Thankfully English is the main language and 
the
 patois is pretty easy for me to understand, but I also 
understand that
 due to religious norms the disabled are seen as people "to be 
taken
 care of."  Not that this is extremely different from treatment 
we
 receive in American airports (I was surprised when I wasn't 
greeted
 with a wheelchair after getting off the plane in 2013), but I 
guess
 I'm just a little nervous going into a third world country where
 refusing unnecessary help might be more offensive than what I'm 
used
 to in the states.  Has anyone flown independently to another 
country,
 especially Jamaica or another island in the Caribbean?  If so, 
would
 you be willing to share your experiences?

 Second, I am interested in bluetoothing my IPhone and 
BrailleSense
 On-Hand together.  I now have an IPhone 6 so my IOS is 
up-to-date.  I
 royally screwed up when I tried to do it with an IPhone 4, so if
 anyone has resources for how to do this, that would be awesome.

 3.  Has anyone here taken human anatomy?  I'm looking to take it 
next
 semester, and my DS office is starting to prep for it now.  I'm
 thinking that I will want to take the lab along with the lecture 
even
 though it isn't required for my major, mainly because I think 
having
 the lab will give me a chance to touch some of the things we 
talk
 about in the normally very visual course.  Some of my sighted 
friends
 struggled in Anatomy and think they also would have benefitted 
from
 taking the lab with the lecture, so I do think it will be even 
more
 important for me.  I know many science majors have had issues 
with
 getting profs to allow them to participate in disections and 
other
 hands-on activities with sharp objects, and being a music major 
I have
 no experience navigating these kinds of issues.  Any advice 
would be
 very useful to me, as I think I'll actually start meeting with 
the
 professor in February to make sure that she is on-board and has 
some
 input with her expertise into how we can accommodate me in these
 courses.

 --
 Kaiti

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From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 23:13:32 2015
From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (Ryan Bishop)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 16:13:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
	apps.
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Totally recommend blind square, totally worth the buy.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:16 PM, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I would recommend blind square, you can use it in conjunction with Seeing Eye GPS, maps, or Google maps. It's $30, and is a very awesome app. I use it and have done so for about two years now.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh trainer
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 14:58, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone of this group. I wanted to come in and say a quick hello. I hope everyone here is well.
>> I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any good gps apps out there, I have seeing eye gps and sendero look around.
>> I would like input on this. If you would like to also get in touch with me and get to know me etc, please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com for any nonlist related topics.
>> Please feel free to reply to this email, as all of your input and suggestions are welcome.
>> Take care everyone, and I'm honored to be a part of this group.
>> I hope I can make good friends here and find helpful resources.
>> Take care once again.
>> Mabelin
>> 
>> 
>> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 23:40:31 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 15:40:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Thought Provoker
Message-ID: <000001d032af$0904cec0$1b0e6c40$@gmail.com>

Has anyone seen this yet? Does everyone in the Federation use the straight
fiberglass or are there some types in this article that you do use? I just
saw this; I thought it was pretty cool. Some random guy just walking up to
these people and noticing the cane differences.

http://thoughtprovoker.info/tp117.htm 


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 18 01:35:19 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 20:35:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS3958462E4E1A68920401EFEDC4D0@phx.gbl>

It is a problem-- however, there is a university here in Boston that is a true outlier to everything negative we know about the college experience as blind people!!!
Truthfully, I think this has to do with the diverse leadership inside this university.  
I studied at a school for my undergraduate degree in NYC with a leadership that was not diverse or inclusive towards many. As a result, the problems of access and treating others badly trickled down.  Anyone else notice that, we as blind people are generally more welcome and treated better in diverse stores, neighborhoods, towns/cities, etc?  That would be a interesting research project. 







Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 14, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have support from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we can get through anything. 
> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what, you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in writing. 
> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok. 
> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology. 
> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money going. Where is the money that supports me going? 
> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience needs to be improved. 
> These are just my thoughts. 
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From fowlers at syix.com  Sun Jan 18 02:45:40 2015
From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 18:45:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the 2015 Chemistry Camp!
Message-ID: <001601d032c8$d8f4e340$8adea9c0$@syix.com>

Attention Blind and/or Visually Impaired High School Students, 

Would you like to learn how blind people tackle the very visual subject of
organic chemistry successfully? Do you have a general love for science? Do
you want to learn how you can do chemistry as a blind person just as
successfully as your sighted peers? Do you want to apply the chemistry you
learned to food such as olive oil? Are you interested in how blind
professionals use science in their careers every day? Then the 2015
Chemistry Camp is for you!

Come join Accessible Science and Credo High School for an Educational,
exciting, and Fun-Filled weekend of hands-on science! 

*      When: Friday, May 1, 2015 through Sunday, May 3, 2015. 

*      Where: Enchanted Hills Camp near Napa, California. 

*      Who: Up to twelve blind high school students ages 14-18 will be
selected to participate.

 

For more information or to apply, please visit 

http://www.accessiblescience.org/node/2

Questions? Please do not hesitate to contact Angela Fowler by phone at (530)
902-0987, or by email at fowlers at syix.com

Best,

Angela Fowler (Director of Planning)

Accessible Science

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 18 03:07:57 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:07:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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Elif,

So which jaws are you using and wich windows version? Interesting we feel 
differently.
I use jaws 15 and windows 7.

I can use Epsco some, but some advanced features such as  changing the 
operators from the word And to Or cannot be done.
I worked with a librarian to learn to use it and she explained what I'd need 
to click on and what boxes to check to get the right results.

The search filters is not a link, so for the longest time, I had trouble 
finding it like Bridgit did.
Its near the bottom of the page. so I eventually thought of using the 
control f command for jaws to fine the words limit my results, and that 
works.

I do use the letter B for the search buttons but if you listen to it, its 
hard to tell what is a search button. Through trial and error I found out. 
Jaws says "search search button" when you get to it.

Its weird how jaws says stuff.
I know jaws hot keys and the keystrokes for boxes. So, I'm pretty sure it’s 
the database not me.

I'm meeting with someone higher up, the assistant dean of library services, 
actually next week.
We will look at the databases and she said she'd show me some of them. If we 
determine its still problematic after her instructions, she will let the 
vender know.

Thanks for any explanation you have.
Oh, and ebsco always has pdfs. I have never found html versions of sources.
Was that your experience too?

Thanks.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elif Emir Öksüzvia nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 3:13 PM
To: Antonio Guimaraes ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
epsco takes some time to get used to, but it is accessible.
Our library offered a training how to use ebsco. I took a sighted
friend to the training. After the training we practiced with jaws.
ebsco is hard at the beginning for everybody. don't be discouraged.
For combo boxes, try to open them with alt+ down arrow
for search button, try to navegate with B on keyboard. I don't
remember right now, whether it is a button or link. if it is a link,
you can list the links by hitting insert f7 then pres s until you here
search.
or simply use control f and type there search. jaws will find it.
if you have any questions or concerns about epsco, you can write me any 
time.

2015-01-14 15:05 GMT-05:00, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Ashley,
>
> I'm not sure which databases are giving me this trouble, or even what
> journals do this,
>
> My main issue is that sometimes it can take 30 minutes to do what a 
> sighted
> person could do it for. For instants, saving a PDF file is extremely
> frustrating for me as a blind user.
>
> I am a savvy computer user, and I am discouraged from doing research 
> because
> of this.
>
> It is painstakingly difficult to do certain things. It should not be so,
> especially in this day and age.
>
>  I would be willing to unite forces with people to make recommendations..
>
>  It takes anywhere from implementation with Cloud services like dropbox, 
> to
> making a really good, accessible app for saving these files. No reason not
> to do it in 2015.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Jan 14, 2015, at 2:11 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Bridgit,
>> Glad your shared becausebecaus e its comforting to know I'm not alone.
>> Accessing my folder and its contents is a challenge. What I do is email
>> everything in my folder to myself.
>> Then, I save them. Then, I either scan them or have to use an old
>> fashioned reader.
>> I can find the edit boxes by pressing tab. But
>> the combo boxes are not working.
>>
>> I can help you with the  search limiters. I am able to  check boxes to
>> limit it to peer reviewed and full text.
>> If you use jaws this works.
>> I would imagine window eyes uses the same commands or similar ones.
>>
>> Here is  the procedure.
>> 1. After you type in your search terms, find the phrase, Limit your
>> results.
>> Its near the bottom. You can find this by pressing the find command which
>> is control F.
>> Type in Limit. After exiting  the find box, your screen reader
>> should be there.
>> Then go line by line to see what you wish to select.
>>
>> 2. If you are not familiar with the limiters, go line by line to explore
>> options first.
>> Press down arrow to do this.
>> If jaws is stuck in an edit box, press escape to get out. Jaws says "list
>> of 13 items" as I begin this.
>> Here in the limiters are your options to limit to full text,  peer
>> reviewed, certain dates, etc.
>>
>> 3. Then go back to the top of the limit results list.
>> Press letter x to go line by line. X is the hot key to jump to check
>> boxes.
>> 4. Press space when you hear your screen reader say full text or 
>> scholarly
>> article, or whatever you need to check.
>> This checks the boxes.
>>
>> 5. Find the search button to start searching. That is very hard to find.
>> Still, I may sound expert, but really I struggle due to accessibility.
>> A librarian worked with me one on one to help navigate it and tell me 
>> what
>> search limiters to put in place for best results. That is how I know what
>> the phrase is to limit your results.
>>
>> I do not know how helpful your librarians are, but if you can, I suggest
>> getting an appointment
>> with one of them because not only will you do searches with them, but 
>> they
>> will suggest sources that are a good fit for your assignment.
>> I know not all schools have one on one meetings, but its worth asking 
>> for.
>> Also, if I could not do something do to access, the librarian would use
>> the mouse to help me out.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Ashley
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>>
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes 
>> that
>> say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. 
>> I
>> have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my 
>> folder.
>> I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the
>> PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when 
>> I'm
>> in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I
>> can't copy any correct spellings easily.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many
>>> databases.
>>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them,
>>> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, 
>>> I
>>> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>>
>>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>>
>>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called
>>> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a 
>>> note
>>> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>>
>>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database
>>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference
>>> call on this.
>>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write
>>> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>>> The same goes for other databases.
>>>
>>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned
>>> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, 
>>> I
>>> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Ashley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 18 03:12:23 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 22:12:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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Bridget,
Glad you shared your experience.
So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a 
difference.
I use jaws 15.

Have you also found gale databases problematic?
I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on some 
of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the applications 
key does not help either.

Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that 
is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help with 
articles, but the books too.

Thanks.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that 
say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I 
have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I 
can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS 
documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the 
middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy 
any correct spellings easily.
I hope this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many 
> databases.
> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, 
> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I 
> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>
> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>
> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called 
> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note 
> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>
> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database 
> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference 
> call on this.
> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write 
> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
> The same goes for other databases.
>
> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned 
> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I 
> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 08:44:42 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 03:44:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <DCC152BC832242E8B02805F123EF349E@OwnerPC>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
	<DCC152BC832242E8B02805F123EF349E@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cNdVqv4b-8T5QAFNdRM2z-_00rONJ6QX03hWzEE-2cWg@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley my jaws is 13.

you are right about the pdfs. most of them are pdf.
it is hard to get used to epsco. it is not the perfect accessible search engine.
please let me know if you have any questions.


2015-01-17 22:12 GMT-05:00, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Bridget,
> Glad you shared your experience.
> So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a
> difference.
> I use jaws 15.
>
> Have you also found gale databases problematic?
> I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on some
> of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the applications
> key does not help either.
>
> Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that
> is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help with
> articles, but the books too.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that
> say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I
> have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I
> can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS
> documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the
> middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy
> any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many
>> databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them,
>> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I
>> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called
>> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note
>> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database
>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference
>> call on this.
>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write
>> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>>
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned
>> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I
>> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>
>
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 13:26:38 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 08:26:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey for class; please help.
In-Reply-To: <005d01d0025f$0a22dcf0$1e6896d0$@gmail.com>
References: <005d01d0025f$0a22dcf0$1e6896d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e6zHEqG7f3J75dXdPJYNnvWXyevCPdVvTOb0G9b9FVC5A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Justin Williams,

I am a visually impaired college student living in the state of New Jersey
and I was very kind enough to take your survey for class. I apologize if
this survey was not completed during the time you had asked everyone t
complete it in. Please find my responses in an attached message. Again,
this really depends on what type of restaurant you go out to eat to within
your daily leisure or weekend time. You did a great job with creating this
survey. You deserve an A+. Good luck in your collegiate studies in South
Carolina. Please respond back to me if you have any further questions via
e-mail if you receive this message.


Thank you.

Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 7:07 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Urgent request for assistance.
>
> First, let me apologize for flooding the list.  I am inexperienced at
> sending surveys.
>
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> My name is Justin Williams, and I am requesting your assistance for a
> research study for my statistics class.  Attached is a form of consent, as
> well as a questionnaire related to the accessibility of restaurants through
> the perceptions of individuals with visible or noticeable disabilities.
>
> The survey will take about ten minutes of your time.
>
> My email address is justin.williams2 at gmail.com.
>
> Return of your responses will indicate consent.
>
> Please send your responses to me off list by Friday of this week so that I
> may begin compiling the data.  Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Justin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 17:15:11 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 12:15:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rewh A few unrelated Questions
Message-ID: <54bbea31.0950e00a.28dc.ffffa354@mx.google.com>

Dear All,

I hope this message finds you well.  Travebbing to the Caribbean 
is a woderful experience.  When my mom dad and I flew to Trinidad 
and Tobago from Miami, we had a good flight.  I was able to keep 
my cane in the seat pocket in front of me on the way there and 
back.  International travel is a woderful experience for blind 
individuals.  It provides an opportunity for us to practice the 
skills that we have learned.


From gmanmesa at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 18:43:55 2015
From: gmanmesa at gmail.com (James Mooney)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 11:43:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship and teach act conference call
Message-ID: <0802332E-86F1-4626-AE60-85F850954B3E@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I would like to remind you all to attend tonight's membership call at 6 PM Mountain standard time 7 PM central and 8 PM Eastern. We will be having guest speakers from the  scholarship committee and Rose Sloan from the national Federation of the blind  Government affairs department. We Will be learning about the scholarship process, and what the technology equality and accessibility  in college and higher education act will do for the blind, and other disabled students. The phone number 605-475-6700 and the access code is 786-9673. I hope to see you all there.

James Garret Mooney
President Arizona Association of Blind Students
Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Arizona

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 18:57:11 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:57:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship and teach act conference call
In-Reply-To: <0802332E-86F1-4626-AE60-85F850954B3E@gmail.com>
References: <0802332E-86F1-4626-AE60-85F850954B3E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A56F2149-627F-45A9-B4DE-2C9F19F894CE@gmail.com>

Garrett,
Unfortunately, I cannot make tonight's call, so please advise all listeners that I will be accepting TEACH Act personal testimonies this week. Letters should include name, state, and institution attended or attending. 
My email address is kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com
Thanks so much in advance!!!
Let me know if you have any questions.

Kathryn Webster


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2015, at 1:43 PM, James Mooney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I would like to remind you all to attend tonight's membership call at 6 PM Mountain standard time 7 PM central and 8 PM Eastern. We will be having guest speakers from the  scholarship committee and Rose Sloan from the national Federation of the blind  Government affairs department. We Will be learning about the scholarship process, and what the technology equality and accessibility  in college and higher education act will do for the blind, and other disabled students. The phone number 605-475-6700 and the access code is 786-9673. I hope to see you all there.
> 
> James Garret Mooney
> President Arizona Association of Blind Students
> Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Arizona
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 21:39:13 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS3958462E4E1A68920401EFEDC4D0@phx.gbl>
References: <66F53E12-6F9D-4052-BB87-22761265CDCA@aol.com>
	<SNT407-EAS3958462E4E1A68920401EFEDC4D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbkUdU_oU85ngeThUXcSDDM3oxbwS03XUuq5053c8M0Fg@mail.gmail.com>

In many cases I've seen that my own university is an outlier to issues
of accessibility, but I'm not sure why this is.  It could be that
Dayton is a pretty inclusive city; people are generally accepting and
friendly.  It's made a lot of lists, most recently the number one spot
on a list of lesser-known accepting places for LGBTQA people as well
as "Most friendly colleges in America," "happiest college students,"
"Most accepting of immigrants," and so on.  There's a city-wide
initiative to be accepting to people of different cultures, religions
ethnicities, arts styles, etc, and although disabilities aren't
specifically mentioned many times I feel like that positive acceptance
trickles over to people with disabilities here, too.  I've not only
seen it happen with me on campus, but also with other disabled people
I've passed by in public downtown.  It sure lends credence to that
study idea.  :)

On 1/17/15, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It is a problem-- however, there is a university here in Boston that is a
> true outlier to everything negative we know about the college experience as
> blind people!!!
> Truthfully, I think this has to do with the diverse leadership inside this
> university.
> I studied at a school for my undergraduate degree in NYC with a leadership
> that was not diverse or inclusive towards many. As a result, the problems of
> access and treating others badly trickled down.  Anyone else notice that, we
> as blind people are generally more welcome and treated better in diverse
> stores, neighborhoods, towns/cities, etc?  That would be a interesting
> research project.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major problems
>> we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have
>> support from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers we
>> can get through anything.
>> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class
>> because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal
>> with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who
>> pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
>> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to access
>> and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what,
>> you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide in
>> writing.
>> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all
>> students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
>> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can not
>> see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
>> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a
>> doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok.
>> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let
>> alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people need
>> to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there. That
>> was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was
>> blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to
>> settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology.
>> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not to
>> go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my money
>> going. Where is the money that supports me going?
>> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience
>> needs to be improved.
>> These are just my thoughts.
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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-- 
Kaiti


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 21:51:31 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:51:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <DCC152BC832242E8B02805F123EF349E@OwnerPC>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
	<DCC152BC832242E8B02805F123EF349E@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <978EA2DD-7ECF-4FE6-9D9C-0F79E5736FD2@aol.com>

Hi Ashley, 
I have been very fortis ate in my technology selection. I have jaws 15 which for the most part works alright with ensconced until I get to the PDFs. I use iBooks with VoiceOver to read the articles. This is ok though I wish I had access on my computer.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 27 Heisei, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Bridget,
> Glad you shared your experience.
> So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a difference.
> I use jaws 15.
> 
> Have you also found gale databases problematic?
> I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on some of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the applications key does not help either.
> 
> Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help with articles, but the books too.
> 
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>> 
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>> 
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>> 
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>> 
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com
> 
> 
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 21:53:20 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 16:53:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
In-Reply-To: <978EA2DD-7ECF-4FE6-9D9C-0F79E5736FD2@aol.com>
References: <2B8B0E4B5ACB4E66B771BBE0A3692378@OwnerPC>
	<B709ABD8-313C-4524-9CE8-AC5A404DE4A2@aol.com>
	<DCC152BC832242E8B02805F123EF349E@OwnerPC>
	<978EA2DD-7ECF-4FE6-9D9C-0F79E5736FD2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <ECB9EA9A-A345-4E5C-8C59-E6B5D23529E8@aol.com>

I'm really sorry about the spelling mistakes. I was a bit careless in typing this message. I forgot autocorrect was activated. I hope you can make it out. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 18, 27 Heisei, at 4:51 PM, Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ashley, 
> I have been very fortis ate in my technology selection. I have jaws 15 which for the most part works alright with ensconced until I get to the PDFs. I use iBooks with VoiceOver to read the articles. This is ok though I wish I had access on my computer.
> Bridget 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 17, 27 Heisei, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Bridget,
>> Glad you shared your experience.
>> So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a difference.
>> I use jaws 15.
>> 
>> Have you also found gale databases problematic?
>> I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on some of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the applications key does not help either.
>> 
>> Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help with articles, but the books too.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>> 
>> Hi Ashley,
>> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't copy any correct spellings easily.
>> I hope this helps.
>> Bridget
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many databases.
>>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>> 
>>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>> 
>>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>> 
>>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference call on this.
>>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>>> The same goes for other databases.
>>> 
>>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com
>> 
>> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 18 22:10:49 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:10:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Thought Provoker
In-Reply-To: <000001d032af$0904cec0$1b0e6c40$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d032af$0904cec0$1b0e6c40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FA78155-3AB4-4D1E-9664-CF37C7794745@gmail.com>

Good afternoon,
It seems to me that there are quite a few people if not in majority of individuals in the Federation that tend to use the NFB cane.  However, there are members of the Federation that use any number of types of canes, some don't use canes at all, and a number of people work with dogs. 
My personal opinion is that a reason why a number of people have issues with in FB canes in particular breaking, is because they are not always trained on or maintain the correct Open palm grip or pencil grip in the appropriate situation.
Certainly a downside with NFB canes as a whole is that they tend to be more prone to breaking by virtue of how like they are/the material they are made with. Personally, I use a rigid carbon fiber cane and I can go years without one breaking. With NFB folding or telescoping canes,this is not at all the case, so I use them as a back up cane. 
I think using the right cane at the right height with the right technique can go a long way.  So, no matter which can you choose I personally think it is a good idea to experiment with different types of canes when you can. 
It is important to note that there is a particular type of cane that people who go to an FB training centers will work with. Instructors work with you to make sure you know how to use that Cain effectively and safely and sometimes it's not exactly going to be something you pick up immediately, but for the most part, when you eventually learn how to use and and it became at a training center, you get really comfortable and generally don't want to go back to what you did before. 
Again, everyone's experience is different, but finding the right type and size of cane coupled with the correct technique is what makes all the difference.
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone seen this yet? Does everyone in the Federation use the straight
> fiberglass or are there some types in this article that you do use? I just
> saw this; I thought it was pretty cool. Some random guy just walking up to
> these people and noticing the cane differences.
> 
> http://thoughtprovoker.info/tp117.htm 
> 
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Mon Jan 19 02:39:41 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:39:41 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Thought Provoker
In-Reply-To: <8FA78155-3AB4-4D1E-9664-CF37C7794745@gmail.com>
References: <000001d032af$0904cec0$1b0e6c40$@gmail.com>
	<8FA78155-3AB4-4D1E-9664-CF37C7794745@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20150118183736.04c46240@comcast.net>

Why don't you perform your very own experiment and get back to this 
list on how well the NFB's Telescopic CarbonFiber Cane works out for 
you using your "stated" proper Hand Technique?

At 02:10 PM 1/18/2015, you wrote:
>Good afternoon,
>It seems to me that there are quite a few people if not in majority 
>of individuals in the Federation that tend to use the NFB 
>cane.  However, there are members of the Federation that use any 
>number of types of canes, some don't use canes at all, and a number 
>of people work with dogs.
>My personal opinion is that a reason why a number of people have 
>issues with in FB canes in particular breaking, is because they are 
>not always trained on or maintain the correct Open palm grip or 
>pencil grip in the appropriate situation.
>Certainly a downside with NFB canes as a whole is that they tend to 
>be more prone to breaking by virtue of how like they are/the 
>material they are made with. Personally, I use a rigid carbon fiber 
>cane and I can go years without one breaking. With NFB folding or 
>telescoping canes,this is not at all the case, so I use them as a 
>back up cane.
>I think using the right cane at the right height with the right 
>technique can go a long way.  So, no matter which can you choose I 
>personally think it is a good idea to experiment with different 
>types of canes when you can.
>It is important to note that there is a particular type of cane that 
>people who go to an FB training centers will work with. Instructors 
>work with you to make sure you know how to use that Cain effectively 
>and safely and sometimes it's not exactly going to be something you 
>pick up immediately, but for the most part, when you eventually 
>learn how to use and and it became at a training center, you get 
>really comfortable and generally don't want to go back to what you did before.
>Again, everyone's experience is different, but finding the right 
>type and size of cane coupled with the correct technique is what 
>makes all the difference.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 17, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone seen this yet? Does everyone in the Federation use the straight
> > fiberglass or are there some types in this article that you do use? I just
> > saw this; I thought it was pretty cool. Some random guy just walking up to
> > these people and noticing the cane differences.
> >
> > http://thoughtprovoker.info/tp117.htm
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
> for nabs-l:
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 03:06:49 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:06:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Thought Provoker
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20150118183736.04c46240@comcast.net>
References: <000001d032af$0904cec0$1b0e6c40$@gmail.com>
	<8FA78155-3AB4-4D1E-9664-CF37C7794745@gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20150118183736.04c46240@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E85C69F4-1663-4166-8FFB-B5FBB8646C15@gmail.com>

Hi Robin,
I'm curious, what has your experience been with the aforementioned Cain and canes in general?
As previously stated, I'm only speaking from the voice of my own personal experience/opinion. I do apologize if this somehow offends you.
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2015, at 6:39 PM, Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Why don't you perform your very own experiment and get back to this list on how well the NFB's Telescopic CarbonFiber Cane works out for you using your "stated" proper Hand Technique?
> 
> At 02:10 PM 1/18/2015, you wrote:
>> Good afternoon,
>> It seems to me that there are quite a few people if not in majority of individuals in the Federation that tend to use the NFB cane.  However, there are members of the Federation that use any number of types of canes, some don't use canes at all, and a number of people work with dogs.
>> My personal opinion is that a reason why a number of people have issues with in FB canes in particular breaking, is because they are not always trained on or maintain the correct Open palm grip or pencil grip in the appropriate situation.
>> Certainly a downside with NFB canes as a whole is that they tend to be more prone to breaking by virtue of how like they are/the material they are made with. Personally, I use a rigid carbon fiber cane and I can go years without one breaking. With NFB folding or telescoping canes,this is not at all the case, so I use them as a back up cane.
>> I think using the right cane at the right height with the right technique can go a long way.  So, no matter which can you choose I personally think it is a good idea to experiment with different types of canes when you can.
>> It is important to note that there is a particular type of cane that people who go to an FB training centers will work with. Instructors work with you to make sure you know how to use that Cain effectively and safely and sometimes it's not exactly going to be something you pick up immediately, but for the most part, when you eventually learn how to use and and it became at a training center, you get really comfortable and generally don't want to go back to what you did before.
>> Again, everyone's experience is different, but finding the right type and size of cane coupled with the correct technique is what makes all the difference.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jan 17, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen this yet? Does everyone in the Federation use the straight
>> > fiberglass or are there some types in this article that you do use? I just
>> > saw this; I thought it was pretty cool. Some random guy just walking up to
>> > these people and noticing the cane differences.
>> >
>> > http://thoughtprovoker.info/tp117.htm
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com
>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 04:12:05 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:12:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations
	forGPS	apps.
In-Reply-To: <7633610B-BB9B-46DB-860A-2CE2F449E8DC@me.com>
References: <EB20F3E2-5B91-467B-B6B1-8C8CBC3AB467@gmail.com>
	<7633610B-BB9B-46DB-860A-2CE2F449E8DC@me.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d0339e$163cb130$42b61390$@gmail.com>

Has anyone used Seeing Eye gps? I hear it is incredible as a stand alone
app, and worth the 300 dollars. I hear it does everything you would need and
is very precise; top of the line.  Is this true?


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Dierckens via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 3:17 PM
To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
apps.

Hello,
I would recommend blind square, you can use it in conjunction with Seeing
Eye GPS, maps, or Google maps. It's $30, and is a very awesome app. I use it
and have done so for about two years now.

Matt Dierckens
Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2015, at 14:58, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone of this group. I wanted to come in and say a quick hello. I
hope everyone here is well.
> I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any good gps apps out there, I have
seeing eye gps and sendero look around.
> I would like input on this. If you would like to also get in touch with me
and get to know me etc, please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com for any nonlist
related topics.
> Please feel free to reply to this email, as all of your input and
suggestions are welcome.
> Take care everyone, and I'm honored to be a part of this group.
> I hope I can make good friends here and find helpful resources.
> Take care once again.
> Mabelin
> 
> 
> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 04:49:55 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 22:49:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Paying to be denied in the college classroom
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References: <66F53E12-6F9D-4052-BB87-22761265CDCA@aol.com>
	<SNT407-EAS3958462E4E1A68920401EFEDC4D0@phx.gbl>
	<CAFja7FbkUdU_oU85ngeThUXcSDDM3oxbwS03XUuq5053c8M0Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DKycS+Q63yua5X0Y_Zqo1JxTGq2XyRTB+0MP08risJKOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bridget and all,

I believe in the TEACH Act.  Passing it is an important step on the
road to equal access to technology.  But please, if you haven't, read
this month's Braille Monitor.  (And I'm not just saying that because I
have an article in it.)

Seriously, guys, there is a Q and A about the TEACH Act.  It will help
you to understand what the TEACH Act will and won't do for
universities.  I work for my university's adaptive computing and
technology center, so I am possibly more aware than mmost of all the
inaccessible technology we face as we enter the classroom.  Although
the TEACH Act will shift universities in the right direction by
motivating them to purchase and develop accessible tech, the venders,
creators, and designers are still responsible for making these
products.  The market will shift, but in many cases, there are simply
no fully accessible alternatives for these technologies.  Or we have
had to wait years for the software or programs to become accessible.

I have tested  video players and learning management systems, among
other programs, and I found none to be fully and consistently
accessible.  I suppose I should write a TEACH Act letter with all I
have seen in my job...  But my point in writing this part of my email
is for you to understand that the TEACH Act is only the beginning.

I hate to be the doom and gloom here, but I believe that solving the
inaccessible technology issue will not cause our discrimination in the
classroom to disappear.  These professors, who hold these attitudes
discussed above, will still exist.  Don't get me wrong; having
technology that works for us will help, but a biology lab will still
involve dicection, and performing on a stage will still mean
navigating it safely.  My point is that the way we are treated stems
from the professors' attitudes about blindness.  Some are open,
understanding, and willing to accomidate, while others refuse to work
with us, do not listen, and don't allow us in their classes.

Not sure what the solution is here...  But I think speaking up helps.
Maybe we need to speak to universities about these problems; perhaps
we need to speak to administrators of higher education institutions.
And maybe we need to form groups in our states and speak up at our
universities.  I really don't know what could be done.  This is such a
large issue that is magnified in the job market and as we blind people
travel in the real world.  But it's something to ponder as we begin
our semesters this winter.

On 1/18/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> In many cases I've seen that my own university is an outlier to issues
> of accessibility, but I'm not sure why this is.  It could be that
> Dayton is a pretty inclusive city; people are generally accepting and
> friendly.  It's made a lot of lists, most recently the number one spot
> on a list of lesser-known accepting places for LGBTQA people as well
> as "Most friendly colleges in America," "happiest college students,"
> "Most accepting of immigrants," and so on.  There's a city-wide
> initiative to be accepting to people of different cultures, religions
> ethnicities, arts styles, etc, and although disabilities aren't
> specifically mentioned many times I feel like that positive acceptance
> trickles over to people with disabilities here, too.  I've not only
> seen it happen with me on campus, but also with other disabled people
> I've passed by in public downtown.  It sure lends credence to that
> study idea.  :)
>
> On 1/17/15, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is a problem-- however, there is a university here in Boston that is a
>> true outlier to everything negative we know about the college experience
>> as
>> blind people!!!
>> Truthfully, I think this has to do with the diverse leadership inside
>> this
>> university.
>> I studied at a school for my undergraduate degree in NYC with a
>> leadership
>> that was not diverse or inclusive towards many. As a result, the problems
>> of
>> access and treating others badly trickled down.  Anyone else notice that,
>> we
>> as blind people are generally more welcome and treated better in diverse
>> stores, neighborhoods, towns/cities, etc?  That would be a interesting
>> research project.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 14, 2015, at 11:42 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> The previous thread made me really think about some of the major
>>> problems
>>> we face in the college classroom. I'm sure many of us agree if we have
>>> support from the professor, technology, accessible materials, and peers
>>> we
>>> can get through anything.
>>> I considered the idea of a professor saying do not show up to class
>>> because the topic is visual or their way of saying I don't want to deal
>>> with you today. Not only is this against the law but, let's identify who
>>> pays for the education now. It isn't your professor.
>>> We have professors who try and dictate what courses we are able to
>>> access
>>> and they have no right. If you need a math class to graduate guess what,
>>> you take it. By law they provide reasonable accommodations you provide
>>> in
>>> writing.
>>> I think this is a widespread problem that needs to be fixed for all
>>> students with disabilities because it's not just people who are blind.
>>> I'm sure tired of being told I do not belong in a class because I can
>>> not
>>> see. Yet, somehow at the end of the semester I get an A.
>>> I'm tired of having to prove myself to some adjunct who isn't even a
>>> doctor in their field and even then it doesn't make it ok.
>>> I realize at one time people with disabilities did not go to school let
>>> alone college. Guess what, things have drastically changed and people
>>> need
>>> to get over it. I love those of you who are biology majors out there.
>>> That
>>> was my dream. My college would not let me major in biology because I was
>>> blind. I wanted nothing more then to teach high school biology. I had to
>>> settle for english after getting an A in intro physiology.
>>> I'm am lucky I have financial support but, when a professor tell me not
>>> to
>>> go to a class or I can't take a class because I'm blind, where is my
>>> money
>>> going. Where is the money that supports me going?
>>> Sorry this is a bit emotional. I just know the whole college experience
>>> needs to be improved.
>>> These are just my thoughts.
>>> Bridget
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 05:10:10 2015
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 23:10:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS notes January Edition
References: <CAKcQTGYX-5WsJZiipn39QjE9Dn-fGr2JXBKD0rdVs+sBrRj9qw@mail.gmail.com>
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Dear Nabsters,
> On behalf of the communications committee, I sincerely apologize for
> the lack of NABS notes over the last couple months. However, I am also
> excited to present this month's edition, complete with a sneak peek
> into our NABS agenda for Washington Seminar.
> We on the communications committee thank you for your paitience.
> We hope you enjoy!
> Rebecca~
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Jan 19 18:49:50 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:49:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB writing contests for adults and youth
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>From Donna W. Hill

I am writing to ask you to spread the word about the 35th annual writing contests for youth and adults with visual impairments, sponsored by the NFB Writers' Division. Whether people have been writing throughout their lives or are new to the craft, writing brings a wonderful sense of accomplishment, enabling the writer to share something unique with others. It can also enlighten, transform and empower the writer. Each of us has a story to tell.

The 2015 adult contest, which has categories for fiction, poetry, nonfiction (memoir/personal essay) and stories written for kids, is open to anyone over 18 years of age with a visual impairment. Any topic or theme is fair game, though we are requesting this year that the number 75 be included in some way in honor of the 75th anniversary of the NFB.

Entries will be accepted through April 1, 2015. There is a $6 entry fee for each adult entry. There is no fee for the youth contest, which promotes Braille literacy.

Prizes for adult first through third place in each category are $100, $50 and $25. Youth prizes for first through third place in each category, given for elementary, middle and upper school levels,  are $30, $20 and $10. All winners will be announced at the NFB national convention in July and will be eligible for inclusion in Slate and Style, the literary journal of the NFB Writers' Division.

Additional contest details and submission guidelines for the Adult Contest:
http://writers.nfb.org/2015AdultGuidelines.html

Guidelines for the Youth contest:
http://writers.nfb.org/2015YouthGuidelines.html

Thank you for distributing this information. If I can be of any assistance, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Sincerely,
Donna W. Hill

570-833-2708
dwhill at epix.net<mailto:dwhill at epix.net>
http://DonnaWHill.com

-- The Heart of Applebutter Hill - a novel on a mission:
http://DonnaWHill.com<http://donnawhill.com/>


From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 19:07:07 2015
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:07:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About How To Post Links To A Webpage
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxx1Ac8iiJECw-RbprAeLVO=3BrH2+HmGoOaHoixKtzR+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!!
I have a question I can't figure out! I write sports for a website
which is www.wajr.com. It's a radio station's website. In order to
edit the site, I write my story in word, select it, and copy it to the
clipboard. Then, I go to wajr.com/admin, log in, select my page, and
hit edit page. It's your typical web editor.
Here is the problem. Usually, I just copy and paste my text to the
website and I'm fine.
However, I'd like to put links to my twitter and facebook at the end
of my stories so people can click on the link and follow me or friend
me on Facebook. This is where I'm running into trouble.
At the top of the web editor, there is this huge toolbar with 60
different buttons. Then, there is another area where the text is.
Apparently, you are supposed to select the text you want to make a
link, and hit the "link" button on the toolbar and then enter the URL
you want to link to. However, I can't figure out how to do this with a
screenreader. If I enter the text area and select something, I have to
go out of this area to get back to the toolbar to hit the link button
and the text gets unselected. I tried pasting my hyperlink the
old-fashioned way by going into the editor, going to the top of the
text area and just hitting paste. The problem was the formatting
didn't carry over from word and the hyperlink didn't go over.
So then, I tried putting a hyperlink in my word document to my Twitter
and going into the web editor and hitting the paste from word button
on the toolbar. Well, it pasted my link fine, except it posted it on
the very very bottom of my page.
How do I go about putting it at the top?
Basically, if you want to do more than simply paste text, if you would
like to say post links or something with a web editor like this with a
toolbar with the buttons and then the separate text area how do you do
this?
I love the "copy from word" button but the stupid editor puts my story
and my link at the very end of my page and I need the most recent
story and my link at the top not the bottom!!
The editor is called Flex CMS. Does anyone have any ideas?
Thanks,
Kerri


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 19 19:23:34 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:23:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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Bridget,
We both use that version of jaws.

So, do you mean voice over reads the pdfs from the database?
Interesting. I thought you had to use another format for apple.

What I do is email all articles in my folder to myself. Then, I save them in 
a folder I create for the research articles.
Then, I read what I can, and those I cannot read, I look at with openbook 
and for long articles over say 25 pages, I use a reader.
I find that only readers can skim the headings and find what I need amidst 
the very long text. If its one long document, I simply cannot find the 
headings and sections I need with a screen reader.

I'm glad your apple device works for you.

Are there any other problems navigating with jaws that I did not mention?
I'm wondering if the thesaurus and adding rows are accessible.
I might play around with one database later to find out.

I'm meeting tomorrow with assistant dean of the library.
She knows I'm having problems with most databases and wanted to see 
firsthand what they were, and if she can show me any tricks to navigate 
better.

Thanks for the input.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 4:51 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Hi Ashley,
I have been very fortis ate in my technology selection. I have jaws 15 which 
for the most part works alright with ensconced until I get to the PDFs. I 
use iBooks with VoiceOver to read the articles. This is ok though I wish I 
had access on my computer.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 27 Heisei, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Bridget,
> Glad you shared your experience.
> So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a 
> difference.
> I use jaws 15.
>
> Have you also found gale databases problematic?
> I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on 
> some of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the 
> applications key does not help either.
>
> Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that 
> is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help 
> with articles, but the books too.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that 
> say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I 
> have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. 
> I can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the 
> PDFS documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm 
> in the middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I 
> can't copy any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many 
>> databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them, 
>> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I 
>> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called 
>> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note 
>> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database 
>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference 
>> call on this.
>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write 
>> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>>
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned 
>> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I 
>> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jan 19 19:26:23 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:26:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About How To Post Links To A Webpage
In-Reply-To: <CAM6GWxx1Ac8iiJECw-RbprAeLVO=3BrH2+HmGoOaHoixKtzR+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxx1Ac8iiJECw-RbprAeLVO=3BrH2+HmGoOaHoixKtzR+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,
I personally find it easier to first shut off the visual editor for wordpress, and then use HTML for my links, headings, lists, etc.
You can turn off the visual editor for your posts in the profile section of your admin page.
The HTML code for a link is as follows
Open tag
website name (in quotations)
>Text that you want the user to see
End the tag </a>
An example would be
<a href="http://www.twitter.com/username <http://www.twitter.com/username>">Enter text here.</a>
You need to make sure that the URL is in quotations.
Also, Enter text here, would be what the user would see, such as, follow me on twitter, click here to do XYZ.
I put /username at the end of that website as I do not know your user name on twitter, so you would have to do this manually. Same with Facebook.
Hope this was helpful.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Jan 19, 2015, at 14:07, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone!!
> I have a question I can't figure out! I write sports for a website
> which is www.wajr.com. It's a radio station's website. In order to
> edit the site, I write my story in word, select it, and copy it to the
> clipboard. Then, I go to wajr.com/admin, log in, select my page, and
> hit edit page. It's your typical web editor.
> Here is the problem. Usually, I just copy and paste my text to the
> website and I'm fine.
> However, I'd like to put links to my twitter and facebook at the end
> of my stories so people can click on the link and follow me or friend
> me on Facebook. This is where I'm running into trouble.
> At the top of the web editor, there is this huge toolbar with 60
> different buttons. Then, there is another area where the text is.
> Apparently, you are supposed to select the text you want to make a
> link, and hit the "link" button on the toolbar and then enter the URL
> you want to link to. However, I can't figure out how to do this with a
> screenreader. If I enter the text area and select something, I have to
> go out of this area to get back to the toolbar to hit the link button
> and the text gets unselected. I tried pasting my hyperlink the
> old-fashioned way by going into the editor, going to the top of the
> text area and just hitting paste. The problem was the formatting
> didn't carry over from word and the hyperlink didn't go over.
> So then, I tried putting a hyperlink in my word document to my Twitter
> and going into the web editor and hitting the paste from word button
> on the toolbar. Well, it pasted my link fine, except it posted it on
> the very very bottom of my page.
> How do I go about putting it at the top?
> Basically, if you want to do more than simply paste text, if you would
> like to say post links or something with a web editor like this with a
> toolbar with the buttons and then the separate text area how do you do
> this?
> I love the "copy from word" button but the stupid editor puts my story
> and my link at the very end of my page and I need the most recent
> story and my link at the top not the bottom!!
> The editor is called Flex CMS. Does anyone have any ideas?
> Thanks,
> Kerri
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 19:58:44 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 11:58:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
	apps.
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Yes. I highly recommend Seeing Eye and like it a lot better than Blind
Square. The main screen is very easy to navigate and the voice is easy
to control unlike BlindSquare which has a voice separate from
VoiceOver. Seeing Eye provides location info, lets you get routes to
an address or point of interest, and it also has a map so sighted
users can navigate along with you.
Arielle

On 1/18/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Has anyone used Seeing Eye gps? I hear it is incredible as a stand alone
> app, and worth the 300 dollars. I hear it does everything you would need
> and
> is very precise; top of the line.  Is this true?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
> Dierckens via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2015 3:17 PM
> To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A quick hello to everyone and recommendations forGPS
> apps.
>
> Hello,
> I would recommend blind square, you can use it in conjunction with Seeing
> Eye GPS, maps, or Google maps. It's $30, and is a very awesome app. I use
> it
> and have done so for about two years now.
>
> Matt Dierckens
> Assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh trainer
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 17, 2015, at 14:58, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone of this group. I wanted to come in and say a quick hello.
>> I
> hope everyone here is well.
>> I wanted to ask if anyone knew of any good gps apps out there, I have
> seeing eye gps and sendero look around.
>> I would like input on this. If you would like to also get in touch with
>> me
> and get to know me etc, please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com for any nonlist
> related topics.
>> Please feel free to reply to this email, as all of your input and
> suggestions are welcome.
>> Take care everyone, and I'm honored to be a part of this group.
>> I hope I can make good friends here and find helpful resources.
>> Take care once again.
>> Mabelin
>>
>>
>> sent from my iPhone using voiceover
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 20:41:29 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:41:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Congratulations to the New england Patriots
Message-ID: <54bd6c0d.27658c0a.1ab5.ffff9795@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I wanted to congratulate the New england Patrions on their win 
against the Indianapis Colts last night.  They will be headed to 
the Super Bowl in two weeks.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 22:51:19 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 14:51:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Congratulations to the New england Patriots
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Good afternoon,
While this is A generally exciting discussion topic for individuals on this list who may be fans of football, I think it is good to point out that this is an example of an off-topic post.
The national Association of blind students, Pres. Whalen, andList serve moderators are committed to keepingthis list and it's topics related to blindness matters and matters of concern to blind students. 
In future, please keep that in mind when posting to the list.
Thanks so much for your consideration and have a great day.
Darian 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I wanted to congratulate the New england Patrions on their win against the Indianapis Colts last night.  They will be headed to the Super Bowl in two weeks.
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 19 22:52:57 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:52:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Congratulations to the New england Patriots
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	<37F45C49-E280-4F8B-97B6-DC00D18E1679@gmail.com>
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That post is Best maybe for the sports talk list.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 5:51 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Congratulations to the New england Patriots

Good afternoon,
While this is A generally exciting discussion topic for individuals on this
list who may be fans of football, I think it is good to point out that this
is an example of an off-topic post.
The national Association of blind students, Pres. Whalen, andList serve
moderators are committed to keepingthis list and it's topics related to
blindness matters and matters of concern to blind students. 
In future, please keep that in mind when posting to the list.
Thanks so much for your consideration and have a great day.
Darian 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I wanted to congratulate the New england Patrions on their win against the
Indianapis Colts last night.  They will be headed to the Super Bowl in two
weeks.
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 02:51:38 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 21:51:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS3737B293E2428352E76B93CBA4B0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened member
of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I am already
there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that seem to keep
rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few questions to spur on
some discussion on this email list. 

Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind? If
you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is a
positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe makes
your experience positive rather than negative? And finally, what do you
believe are the current strengths of the National Federation of the Blind as
it looks into the future?

Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more to
being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather than the
National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer these questions
from this point of view as well.

I look forward to hearing your responses.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Tue Jan 20 03:26:11 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 03:26:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS3737B293E2428352E76B93CBA4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS3737B293E2428352E76B93CBA4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLUPR05MB40265028E02B5FE284CDDE1894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Dear Elizabeth,

Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.

Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind? 
The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr. Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email signature. You can read it if you like.
I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact that I would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a state convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to complain about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.

If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? 

1. Good Mentoring
2. Good Blind Role Models
3. Learning about leadership
4. Helping other people by empowering them
5. Nourishment in the philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and do it effectively
6. Friendship with a lot of great people
7. Let's not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!

And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in the good times
2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the same thing.
3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others' willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is that people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. It's all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 

With much love for my Federation family,

Justin Salisbury

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hello All,

It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few questions to spur on some discussion on this email list. 

Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind? If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer these questions from this point of view as well.

I look forward to hearing your responses.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 03:30:04 2015
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:30:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_AAd2AA+juO30dvcy3Rs-+O1i_XKcAviPaRdtrjunPhXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi List,
I'm wondering about the accessibility, or lack thereof, of YouTube.
I'm using JAWS 15 and internet explorer, and I couldn't help but
notice that on YouTube videos, the playback controls are really not
accessible with JAWS. The only buttons I can see that are labeled are
the play/pause and mute buttons. Aside from that, jaws says "unlabeled
button" for everything else. Does anyone have any tips/tricks they can
share with me? Any way of making JAWS tell me what those unlabeled
buttons are?
Thanks,
Patrick


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 03:51:30 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:51:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
Message-ID: <54bdd0f2.c5aa320a.7e9c.495f@mx.google.com>

Must be a Jaws glitch because the controlls work fine with 
Voiceover.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:30:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube

Hi List,
I'm wondering about the accessibility, or lack thereof, of 
YouTube.
I'm using JAWS 15 and internet explorer, and I couldn't help but
notice that on YouTube videos, the playback controls are really 
not
accessible with JAWS. The only buttons I can see that are labeled 
are
the play/pause and mute buttons. Aside from that, jaws says 
"unlabeled
button" for everything else. Does anyone have any tips/tricks 
they can
share with me? Any way of making JAWS tell me what those 
unlabeled
buttons are?
Thanks,
Patrick

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Jan 20 04:02:56 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Manners, Derek)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 23:02:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world
in which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be
very frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in
your state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I
had a similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state
president at the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me
for months at a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I think
> the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities for
> me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a blind
> person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because of the 65
> years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I believe it is my
> duty to the people who came before me (people I will never meet) and to
> those blind people of the future to carry the baton and run my leg of the
> race. I actually keep a quote from Dr. Jernigan's speech about climbing the
> stairs to freedom in my email signature. You can read it if you like.
> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have changed
> my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the Federation, I used
> to wield blindness as a source of pity to get scholarship money and to
> impress news reporters with the fact that I would get out of bed every
> morning. At my first NFB event, a state convention where I was a
> scholarship winner, I was trying to complain about how hard science was as
> a blind person. Three blind people surrounded me and started encouraging
> me, telling me that the Federation would help me get through it. They were
> a chemist, a civil engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity,
> but they wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
> blind people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind
> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
> 1. Good Mentoring
> 2. Good Blind Role Models
> 3. Learning about leadership
> 4. Helping other people by empowering them
> 5. Nourishment in the philosophy that equips me to face the low
> expectations in society and do it effectively
> 6. Friendship with a lot of great people
> 7. Let's not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>
> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in the
> good times
> 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the same thing.
> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty bad
> mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS members
> and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and leaders-could
> have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem animal in my Native
> American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into flame and be reborn any
> time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been able to reinvent myself, but
> a necessary part of that is others' willingness to let me. I bring this up
> because, no matter what it is that people have on you or against you, if
> they are truly leaders in our movement, they will give you a chance to
> reinvent yourself. It's all about us getting to the same common goals,
> right?
> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The
> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> With much love for my Federation family,
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
> sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
> this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
> brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
> and we will finish the journey.
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello All,
>
> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I am
> already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that seem to
> keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few questions to
> spur on some discussion on this email list.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is
> a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative? And finally, what do
> you believe are the current strengths of the National Federation of the
> Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more to
> being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather than
> the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer these
> questions from this point of view as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 04:05:23 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:05:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hi all,
Excellent questions.
For me, I wouldn't go as far as many Federationists do to say the NFB
transformed my life on its own. I already had the conviction that it
was respectable to be blind, I never experienced any change in my
vision to adjust to, I already knew blind people. However, when I
joined the NFB in hig school and college, I did get a lot of practical
assistance in making he most of my life. The single biggest way the
NFB influenced my life was by introducing me to LCB where I received
the cooking and travel skills that other instructors had not taught
me. Another way the NFB benefited me practically was by introducing me
to competent blind college students and professionals. In short, I
think my life would have been OK without the NFB, but being part of
the NFB made my life great. That said, when I met NFB members, I
already agreed with the core philosophy, which is what motivated me to
join.

The NFB is a people's movement. Each person's experience with the NFB
is going to depend on the individual members they meet and on what
they put into it. Unfortunately, some people have bad or disappointing
encounters with the NFB. We often don't hear from those people. I
think we need to listen to the stories from folks who have become
disillusioned or let down by the NFB at least as much as we hear the
success stories, because we need to know how to make things better for
everyone. Elizabeth, I commend you for continuing to dialogue with us.
I also think that the NFB is just one of many resources each of us can
use to live the lives we want. Some people wil have absolutely
life-altering positive encounters with the NFB, but for others,
joining the NFB may just be one of many things that contributes to
their growth.
Best, Arielle

On 1/19/15, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I think the
> answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities for
> me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a blind
> person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because of the 65
> years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I believe it is my
> duty to the people who came before me (people I will never meet) and to
> those blind people of the future to carry the baton and run my leg of the
> race. I actually keep a quote from Dr. Jernigan's speech about climbing the
> stairs to freedom in my email signature. You can read it if you like.
> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have changed my
> life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the Federation, I used to
> wield blindness as a source of pity to get scholarship money and to impress
> news reporters with the fact that I would get out of bed every morning. At
> my first NFB event, a state convention where I was a scholarship winner, I
> was trying to complain about how hard science was as a blind person. Three
> blind people surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
> Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil
> engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they wouldn't
> let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind people who won't
> accept low expectations for blind people. We have training centers that give
> people their lives back-or give them the lives they never had but always
> deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is
> a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
> 1. Good Mentoring
> 2. Good Blind Role Models
> 3. Learning about leadership
> 4. Helping other people by empowering them
> 5. Nourishment in the philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations
> in society and do it effectively
> 6. Friendship with a lot of great people
> 7. Let's not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>
> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in the good
> times
> 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the same thing.
> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty bad
> mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS members
> and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and leaders-could
> have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem animal in my Native
> American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into flame and be reborn any
> time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been able to reinvent myself, but a
> necessary part of that is others' willingness to let me. I bring this up
> because, no matter what it is that people have on you or against you, if
> they are truly leaders in our movement, they will give you a chance to
> reinvent yourself. It's all about us getting to the same common goals,
> right?
> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The
> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> With much love for my Federation family,
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
> sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
> this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
> brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
> and we will finish the journey.
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello All,
>
> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened member
> of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I am already
> there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that seem to keep
> rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few questions to spur on
> some discussion on this email list.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind? If
> you believe your experience with the National Federation of the blind is a
> positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that you believe makes
> your experience positive rather than negative? And finally, what do you
> believe are the current strengths of the National Federation of the Blind as
> it looks into the future?
>
> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more to
> being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather than the
> National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer these questions
> from this point of view as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 06:25:10 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:25:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Quick question:
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS3737B293E2428352E76B93CBA4B0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS3737B293E2428352E76B93CBA4B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS57B1000DD9A8D640D0F33DC4B0@phx.gbl>

Hi,
Recently someone posted contact information for an individual who is collecting data. They're looking for people to email them about their experiences in college, good and bad it's a highlight school that are user-friendly from those that aren't. Would you mind contacting me off list? I lost your contact information and I would like to send you some information. Thank you. Have a great day.



From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 07:32:54 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:32:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
In-Reply-To: <54bdd0f2.c5aa320a.7e9c.495f@mx.google.com>
References: <54bdd0f2.c5aa320a.7e9c.495f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9i8DfrDfHrTZAh0DtuR8CMEBni=dWKUdEm4wziLty3_Vw@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/19/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Must be a Jaws glitch because the controlls work fine with
> Voiceover.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:30:04 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
>
> Hi List,
> I'm wondering about the accessibility, or lack thereof, of
> YouTube.
> I'm using JAWS 15 and internet explorer, and I couldn't help but
> notice that on YouTube videos, the playback controls are really
> not
> accessible with JAWS. The only buttons I can see that are labeled
> are
> the play/pause and mute buttons. Aside from that, jaws says
> "unlabeled
> button" for everything else. Does anyone have any tips/tricks
> they can
> share with me? Any way of making JAWS tell me what those
> unlabeled
> buttons are?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for nabs-l:
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>


-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 07:36:18 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 02:36:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9i8DfrDfHrTZAh0DtuR8CMEBni=dWKUdEm4wziLty3_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54bdd0f2.c5aa320a.7e9c.495f@mx.google.com>
	<CAAJqG9i8DfrDfHrTZAh0DtuR8CMEBni=dWKUdEm4wziLty3_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9ipm-6i5MKG1Aue+8LAqSCGQea0xukr3M-hXSfM9yaAHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry for the blank message. I am using firefox and Jaws 15 and all
the buttons are labeled for me. Have you tried using firefox to see if
you have the same problem as you do with IE?

Minh

On 1/20/15, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/19/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Must be a Jaws glitch because the controlls work fine with
>> Voiceover.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:30:04 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of YouTube
>>
>> Hi List,
>> I'm wondering about the accessibility, or lack thereof, of
>> YouTube.
>> I'm using JAWS 15 and internet explorer, and I couldn't help but
>> notice that on YouTube videos, the playback controls are really
>> not
>> accessible with JAWS. The only buttons I can see that are labeled
>> are
>> the play/pause and mute buttons. Aside from that, jaws says
>> "unlabeled
>> button" for everything else. Does anyone have any tips/tricks
>> they can
>> share with me? Any way of making JAWS tell me what those
>> unlabeled
>> buttons are?
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
>> il.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>


-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 15:47:32 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hello Justin,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative? Why
have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
post on such a public email list.

And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
described in your email. 

And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and false
advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world in
which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be very
frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my 
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I 
> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities 
> for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a 
> blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because 
> of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I 
> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will 
> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton 
> and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr. 
> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
signature. You can read it if you like.
> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have 
> changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the 
> Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get 
> scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact that I 
> would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a state 
> convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to complain 
> about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people 
> surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the 
> Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil 
> engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they 
> wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind 
> people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have 
> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the 
> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that 
> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
> 1. Good Mentoring
> 2. Good Blind Role Models
> 3. Learning about leadership
> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the 
> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and 
> do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. Let's 
> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national 
> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>
> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the 
> National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our 
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in 
> the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the 
> same thing.
> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty 
> bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS 
> members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and 
> leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem 
> animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into 
> flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been 
> able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others' 
> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is 
> that people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in 
> our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. It's 
> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The 
> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> With much love for my Federation family,
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. 
> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
> challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. 
> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth 
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello All,
>
> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened 
> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I 
> am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that 
> seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few 
> questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the 
> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that 
> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? And 
> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National 
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other 
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more 
> to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather 
> than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer 
> these questions from this point of view as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 16:22:28 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:22:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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Hi everyone,
This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help but sleep with a migraine so powerful.  
Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time? 
Any advice is appreciated.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Jan 20 16:30:02 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:30:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in the future. 

Best wishes
Derek



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help but sleep with a migraine so powerful.  
> Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time? 
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 17:00:31 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:00:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
Message-ID: <54be89e3.c38a320a.2aba.ffff8e01@mx.google.com>

Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about 
exactly what your negative experiences have been, but this makes 
it difficult for any of us to give you constructive answers.  
Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about, 
we can't tell you what we've done differently or point out that 
we've interacted with different people or realize that we 
evaluate certain things as being less negative or anything like 
that.  At least in my case, one difference in our experience is 
probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the 
president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.  
My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have 
in the vast majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also 
primarily a member because I support the NFB's advocacy goals, 
not because I'm looking for self-affirmation from leadership.  
That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local 
mentoring program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and 
my basic mobility skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive 
experience.  As Arielle said, it is very sad that you, and 
others, have had negative experiences, and we should all work to 
reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can feel 
comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've 
had, so that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think 
of many reasons you might not want to do that, so please don't 
feel pressured in any way.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hello Justin,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the National 
Federation of the
Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about 
the same
organization here as my overall experience with the National 
Federation of
the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in 
this email.
What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes 
your overall
experience so positive while my overall experience has been so 
negative? Why
have you been able to find encouraging words from people who 
truly seem to
care about you while I have mostly received criticism and 
rejection from
peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a 
lot more
questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be 
appropriate to
post on such a public email list.

And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the 
National
Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with 
leaders on
a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative 
experience with
the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all 
levels of the
organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB 
board member,
an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions 
with the
NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local 
chapter leaders,
I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what 
you have
described in your email.

And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for 
quite some
time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I 
have
experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind 
and what
others have experienced as members of the National Federation of 
the Blind?
I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty 
promises and false
advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything 
that
anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my 
questions
in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog 
rather than
offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the 
National
Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than 
positive.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Manners, Derek
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I 
chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB 
tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part 
of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind 
Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part 
due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for 
blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted 
people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB 
of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine 
a world in
which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, 
scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible 
voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were 
started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is 
because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for 
blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be 
that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it 
can be very
frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people 
in your
state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues 
as I had a
similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state 
president at
the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for 
months at
a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Dear Elizabeth,

 Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply 
with my
 knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. 
I
 think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of 
the Blind?
 The National Federation of the Blind has created so many 
opportunities
 for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I 
became a
 blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better 
because
 of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. 
I
 believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I 
will
 never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the 
baton
 and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
 Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my 
email
signature. You can read it if you like.
 I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who 
have
 changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
 Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
 scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact 
that I
 would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a 
state
 convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to 
complain
 about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
 surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
 Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a 
civil
 engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but 
they
 wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 
blind
 people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We 
have
 training centers that give people their lives back-or give them 
the lives
they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of 
that.

 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of 
the
 blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors 
that
 you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?

 1. Good Mentoring
 2. Good Blind Role Models
 3. Learning about leadership
 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
 philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in 
society and
 do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. 
Let's
 not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
 convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name 
it!

 And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of 
the
 National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships 
in our
 movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun 
in
 the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for 
the
 same thing.
 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some 
pretty
 bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the 
NABS
 members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members 
and
 leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The 
totem
 animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can 
burst into
 flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have 
been
 able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
 willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what 
it is
 that people have on you or against you, if they are truly 
leaders in
 our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. 
It's
 all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. 
The
 National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
 characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we 
raise the
 expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
 obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the 
life
 you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

 With much love for my Federation family,

 Justin Salisbury

 Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
 Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
Louisiana
 Tech University
 Email: jms132 at latech.edu
 Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

 But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
 heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity 
requires it.
 Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we 
will
 pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash 
(the
 challenges and
 confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an 
irritant.
 My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on 
the
 stairs, and we will finish the journey.
 - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Elizabeth
 Mohnke via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

 Hello All,

 It appears to me that I have started to become a rather 
disheartened
 member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue 
that I
 am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions 
that
 seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a 
few
 questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of 
the Blind?
 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of 
the
 blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors 
that
 you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? 
And
 finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the 
National
 Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any 
other
 question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate 
more
 to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students 
rather
 than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can 
answer
 these questions from this point of view as well.

 I look forward to hearing your responses.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Jan 20 17:32:15 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:32:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hello All:
	My answer to why I joined the NFB, and by extension NABS, is quite simple: a friend asked me to. One of my close friends is extremely active within the student division in Nevada and felt obligated to convince me to join; therefore, I did.
	Now, the reason I have stayed, even though I went 19 years without any NFB interactions, is the simple fact that I admire some of the members personal Philosophies and their acknowledgement of the need to be independent. From my experience working with blind individuals, before the NFB, I had a sense of entitlement. If it wasn’t the blind individuals asking things like “What can society give me,” or demanding that the society we live in provide them with more, then it was sighted folks assuming that I, as a blind individual, was less capable than a ‘normal’ individual of society.
	After Joining the National Federation of the Blind, I found individuals who believe as I do; though the world is not always accessible, it is not the duty of the world to be so; if I want something, I have to work for it. Now, that isn’t to say the world ought not to be more accessible—that is a different thread topic, I suppose. Anyways, the ideals like self-advocacy and a blind person ought to do what they want keep me around. Oh, that and I rather enjoy seeing and interacting with successful members of the community who are blind (Viz Arielle, Karl, and kaiti, Anil Lewis, Kimmey Beverly and Derik). 
Respectfully,
Michael

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:00 AM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about
exactly what your negative experiences have been, but this makes
it difficult for any of us to give you constructive answers.
Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about,
we can't tell you what we've done differently or point out that
we've interacted with different people or realize that we
evaluate certain things as being less negative or anything like
that.  At least in my case, one difference in our experience is
probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the
president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.
My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have
in the vast majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also
primarily a member because I support the NFB's advocacy goals,
not because I'm looking for self-affirmation from leadership.
That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local
mentoring program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and
my basic mobility skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive
experience.  As Arielle said, it is very sad that you, and
others, have had negative experiences, and we should all work to
reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can feel
comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've
had, so that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think
of many reasons you might not want to do that, so please don't
feel pressured in any way.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hello Justin,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the National
Federation of the
Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about
the same
organization here as my overall experience with the National
Federation of
the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in
this email.
What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes
your overall
experience so positive while my overall experience has been so
negative? Why
have you been able to find encouraging words from people who
truly seem to
care about you while I have mostly received criticism and
rejection from
peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a
lot more
questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be
appropriate to
post on such a public email list.

And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the
National
Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with
leaders on
a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative
experience with
the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all
levels of the
organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB
board member,
an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions
with the
NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local
chapter leaders,
I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what
you have
described in your email.

And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for
quite some
time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I
have
experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind
and what
others have experienced as members of the National Federation of
the Blind?
I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty
promises and false
advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything
that
anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my
questions
in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog
rather than
offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the
National
Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than
positive.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Manners, Derek
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I
chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB
tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part
of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind
Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part
due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for
blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted
people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB
of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine
a world in
which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers,
scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible
voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were
started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is
because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for
blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be
that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it
can be very
frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people
in your
state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues
as I had a
similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state
president at
the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for
months at
a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Dear Elizabeth,

 Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply
with my
 knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop.
I
 think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of
the Blind?
 The National Federation of the Blind has created so many
opportunities
 for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I
became a
 blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better
because
 of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind.
I
 believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I
will
 never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the
baton
 and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
 Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my
email
signature. You can read it if you like.
 I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who
have
 changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
 Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
 scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact
that I
 would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a
state
 convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to
complain
 about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
 surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
 Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a
civil
 engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but
they
 wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
blind
 people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We
have
 training centers that give people their lives back-or give them
the lives
they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of
that.

 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of
the
 blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors
that
 you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?

 1. Good Mentoring
 2. Good Blind Role Models
 3. Learning about leadership
 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
 philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in
society and
 do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7.
Let's
 not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
 convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name
it!

 And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of
the
 National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships
in our
 movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun
in
 the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for
the
 same thing.
 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some
pretty
 bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the
NABS
 members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members
and
 leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The
totem
 animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can
burst into
 flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have
been
 able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
 willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what
it is
 that people have on you or against you, if they are truly
leaders in
 our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself.
It's
 all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true.
The
 National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
 characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we
raise the
 expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
 obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the
life
 you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

 With much love for my Federation family,

 Justin Salisbury

 Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
 Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana
 Tech University
 Email: jms132 at latech.edu
 Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

 But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
 heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity
requires it.
 Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we
will
 pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash
(the
 challenges and
 confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an
irritant.
 My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on
the
 stairs, and we will finish the journey.
 - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Elizabeth
 Mohnke via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

 Hello All,

 It appears to me that I have started to become a rather
disheartened
 member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue
that I
 am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions
that
 seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a
few
 questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of
the Blind?
 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of
the
 blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors
that
 you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
And
 finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
National
 Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any
other
 question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate
more
 to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students
rather
 than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can
answer
 these questions from this point of view as well.

 I look forward to hearing your responses.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 17:52:47 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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Morning, Bridget,

         I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during 
high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my 
sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to 
regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as 
meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too! 
Keep us posted?
Car
>Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice 
>specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure 
>your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has 
>documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in 
>the future.
>
>Best wishes
>Derek
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a 
> very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by 
> lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry 
> it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an 
> EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had 
> very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no 
> sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the 
> morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined 
> I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins 
> Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I 
> quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I 
> have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help 
> but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> > Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone 
> has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did 
> you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were 
> you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> > Any advice is appreciated.
> > Bridget
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:16:20 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:16:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hi Elizabeth thank you for starting this discussion.  Even though 
I am not a member of the Nfb I am on several of their mailing 
lists.  I joined these lists because I want others to know about 
the experiences that I have had and am having as a blind student.  
Each student has their own personal reasons for being on these 
mailing lists.


From anjelinac at att.net  Tue Jan 20 19:25:04 2015
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:25:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About How To Post Links To A Webpage
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Hi Matthew,
From your message it appears you use Wordpress. Can you explain how to tag links while in a post using Wordpress?
Thanks


-Anjelina
Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 19, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I personally find it easier to first shut off the visual editor for wordpress, and then use HTML for my links, headings, lists, etc.
> You can turn off the visual editor for your posts in the profile section of your admin page.
> The HTML code for a link is as follows
> Open tag
> website name (in quotations)
>> Text that you want the user to see
> End the tag </a>
> An example would be
> <a href="http://www.twitter.com/username <http://www.twitter.com/username>">Enter text here.</a>
> You need to make sure that the URL is in quotations.
> Also, Enter text here, would be what the user would see, such as, follow me on twitter, click here to do XYZ.
> I put /username at the end of that website as I do not know your user name on twitter, so you would have to do this manually. Same with Facebook.
> Hope this was helpful.
> 
> God bless. :)
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
> work email:
> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
> Personal email:
> matt.dierckens at me.com
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 14:07, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone!!
>> I have a question I can't figure out! I write sports for a website
>> which is www.wajr.com. It's a radio station's website. In order to
>> edit the site, I write my story in word, select it, and copy it to the
>> clipboard. Then, I go to wajr.com/admin, log in, select my page, and
>> hit edit page. It's your typical web editor.
>> Here is the problem. Usually, I just copy and paste my text to the
>> website and I'm fine.
>> However, I'd like to put links to my twitter and facebook at the end
>> of my stories so people can click on the link and follow me or friend
>> me on Facebook. This is where I'm running into trouble.
>> At the top of the web editor, there is this huge toolbar with 60
>> different buttons. Then, there is another area where the text is.
>> Apparently, you are supposed to select the text you want to make a
>> link, and hit the "link" button on the toolbar and then enter the URL
>> you want to link to. However, I can't figure out how to do this with a
>> screenreader. If I enter the text area and select something, I have to
>> go out of this area to get back to the toolbar to hit the link button
>> and the text gets unselected. I tried pasting my hyperlink the
>> old-fashioned way by going into the editor, going to the top of the
>> text area and just hitting paste. The problem was the formatting
>> didn't carry over from word and the hyperlink didn't go over.
>> So then, I tried putting a hyperlink in my word document to my Twitter
>> and going into the web editor and hitting the paste from word button
>> on the toolbar. Well, it pasted my link fine, except it posted it on
>> the very very bottom of my page.
>> How do I go about putting it at the top?
>> Basically, if you want to do more than simply paste text, if you would
>> like to say post links or something with a web editor like this with a
>> toolbar with the buttons and then the separate text area how do you do
>> this?
>> I love the "copy from word" button but the stupid editor puts my story
>> and my link at the very end of my page and I need the most recent
>> story and my link at the top not the bottom!!
>> The editor is called Flex CMS. Does anyone have any ideas?
>> Thanks,
>> Kerri
>> 
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:30:39 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:30:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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I hope non-members can join in this. Frankly, Elizabeth asked some
questions I've wanted to ask. Here is another: have any of you ever
tried going to any other organization for the blind to check them out,
too?
But here is what I love about the NFB. Okay this may be selfish, but
they give away free stuff and it is free stuff that you actually need
and when it breaks you can get another one (the white cane program and
the slate and stylus program). I loved the Kernel Books. Every time I
look at them I am reminded that the NFB is not some radical,
protesting cult, but actually just a family who is just separated by
different states and counties and who get together every summer for a
family reunion.
I am beginning to make friends in the NFB and I'm not even in it. That
amazes me. The other amazing part, they actually care. That's cool!
I love the philosophy. Being blind is okay, we can be just like
sighted people just use different techniques.
So have I gone to an NFB training center? No. Have I gone to a few
meetings? Yeah, a couple. Have I joined yet? A good ninety percent of
me is already a Federationist in my heart and mind, but the other
percent is unsure. So, no, I have not joined. But I just want to jump
in this, so thanks.

Kayla



On 1/20/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All:
> 	My answer to why I joined the NFB, and by extension NABS, is quite simple:
> a friend asked me to. One of my close friends is extremely active within the
> student division in Nevada and felt obligated to convince me to join;
> therefore, I did.
> 	Now, the reason I have stayed, even though I went 19 years without any NFB
> interactions, is the simple fact that I admire some of the members personal
> Philosophies and their acknowledgement of the need to be independent. From
> my experience working with blind individuals, before the NFB, I had a sense
> of entitlement. If it wasn’t the blind individuals asking things like “What
> can society give me,” or demanding that the society we live in provide them
> with more, then it was sighted folks assuming that I, as a blind individual,
> was less capable than a ‘normal’ individual of society.
> 	After Joining the National Federation of the Blind, I found individuals who
> believe as I do; though the world is not always accessible, it is not the
> duty of the world to be so; if I want something, I have to work for it. Now,
> that isn’t to say the world ought not to be more accessible—that is a
> different thread topic, I suppose. Anyways, the ideals like self-advocacy
> and a blind person ought to do what they want keep me around. Oh, that and I
> rather enjoy seeing and interacting with successful members of the community
> who are blind (Viz Arielle, Karl, and kaiti, Anil Lewis, Kimmey Beverly and
> Derik).
> Respectfully,
> Michael
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Karl Martin Adam via
> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 9:00 AM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about
> exactly what your negative experiences have been, but this makes
> it difficult for any of us to give you constructive answers.
> Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about,
> we can't tell you what we've done differently or point out that
> we've interacted with different people or realize that we
> evaluate certain things as being less negative or anything like
> that.  At least in my case, one difference in our experience is
> probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the
> president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.
> My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have
> in the vast majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also
> primarily a member because I support the NFB's advocacy goals,
> not because I'm looking for self-affirmation from leadership.
> That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local
> mentoring program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and
> my basic mobility skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive
> experience.  As Arielle said, it is very sad that you, and
> others, have had negative experiences, and we should all work to
> reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can feel
> comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've
> had, so that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think
> of many reasons you might not want to do that, so please don't
> feel pressured in any way.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello Justin,
>
> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National
> Federation of the
> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about
> the same
> organization here as my overall experience with the National
> Federation of
> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in
> this email.
> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes
> your overall
> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so
> negative? Why
> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who
> truly seem to
> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and
> rejection from
> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a
> lot more
> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be
> appropriate to
> post on such a public email list.
>
> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the
> National
> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with
> leaders on
> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative
> experience with
> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all
> levels of the
> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB
> board member,
> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions
> with the
> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local
> chapter leaders,
> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what
> you have
> described in your email.
>
> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for
> quite some
> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I
> have
> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind
> and what
> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of
> the Blind?
> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty
> promises and false
> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything
> that
> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my
> questions
> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog
> rather than
> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the
> National
> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than
> positive.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Manners, Derek
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I
> chose the
> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB
> tries to make
> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part
> of it.
> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind
> Harvard
> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part
> due to
> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for
> blind people
> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted
> people and
> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB
> of MA also
> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine
> a world in
> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers,
> scientists,
> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible
> voting,
> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were
> started by
> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is
> because of
> lawsuits by the NFB.
>
> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for
> blind
> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be
> that much
> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.
>
> I understand that some states are better than others and that it
> can be very
> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people
> in your
> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues
> as I had a
> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state
> president at
> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for
> months at
> a time.
>
> Best Wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Dear Elizabeth,
>
>  Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply
> with my
>  knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop.
> I
>  think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
>  Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of
> the Blind?
>  The National Federation of the Blind has created so many
> opportunities
>  for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I
> became a
>  blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better
> because
>  of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind.
> I
>  believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I
> will
>  never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the
> baton
>  and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
>  Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my
> email
> signature. You can read it if you like.
>  I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who
> have
>  changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
>  Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
>  scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact
> that I
>  would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a
> state
>  convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to
> complain
>  about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
>  surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
>  Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a
> civil
>  engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but
> they
>  wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
> blind
>  people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We
> have
>  training centers that give people their lives back-or give them
> the lives
> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of
> that.
>
>  If you believe your experience with the National Federation of
> the
>  blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors
> that
>  you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
>  1. Good Mentoring
>  2. Good Blind Role Models
>  3. Learning about leadership
>  4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
>  philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in
> society and
>  do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7.
> Let's
>  not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
>  convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name
> it!
>
>  And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of
> the
>  National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
>  1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships
> in our
>  movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun
> in
>  the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for
> the
>  same thing.
>  3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some
> pretty
>  bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the
> NABS
>  members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members
> and
>  leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The
> totem
>  animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can
> burst into
>  flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have
> been
>  able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
>  willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what
> it is
>  that people have on you or against you, if they are truly
> leaders in
>  our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself.
> It's
>  all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
>  4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true.
> The
>  National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>  characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we
> raise the
>  expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>  obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the
> life
>  you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>  With much love for my Federation family,
>
>  Justin Salisbury
>
>  Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>  Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana
>  Tech University
>  Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>  Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
>  But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
>  heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity
> requires it.
>  Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we
> will
>  pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash
> (the
>  challenges and
>  confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an
> irritant.
>  My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on
> the
>  stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>  - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Elizabeth
>  Mohnke via nabs-l
>  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
>  To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
>  Hello All,
>
>  It appears to me that I have started to become a rather
> disheartened
>  member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue
> that I
>  am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions
> that
>  seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a
> few
>  questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.
>
>  Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of
> the Blind?
>  If you believe your experience with the National Federation of
> the
>  blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors
> that
>  you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
> And
>  finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
> National
>  Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
>  Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any
> other
>  question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate
> more
>  to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students
> rather
>  than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can
> answer
>  these questions from this point of view as well.
>
>  I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
>  Warm regards,
>  Elizabeth
>
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Tue Jan 20 19:35:52 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:35:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
Message-ID: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.

We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,

Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.

This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.

What do people think of this idea?

Yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
-          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:38:14 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:38:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003701d034e8$a21f4640$e65dd2c0$@gmail.com>

Incredible. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Fellow Federationists:

I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked
with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership
thinks of it.

We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to
raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college
students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew
about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,

Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the
same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get
national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.

This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns
could be amazing.

What do people think of this idea?

Yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student Professional
Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
and we will finish the journey.
-          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 19:38:43 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:38:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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References: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Great idea.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Fellow Federationists:

I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked
with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership
thinks of it.

We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to
raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college
students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew
about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,

Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the
same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get
national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.

This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns
could be amazing.

What do people think of this idea?

Yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student Professional
Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
and we will finish the journey.
-          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:03:08 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:03:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS2233EA7978F9D64DBCCE08CBA4B0@phx.gbl>

Hello Justin, 

I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have been
great to have known about it before it actually took place. The more people
know about it, the more people who can take part in it. But perhaps you just
need to be a part of a certain clique within the NFB to receive this kind of
information. I did not see any information on today's protest besides
hearing you mention it in this email.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Fellow Federationists:

I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked
with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership
thinks of it.

We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to
raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college
students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew
about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,

Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the
same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get
national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.

This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns
could be amazing.

What do people think of this idea?

Yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student Professional
Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
and we will finish the journey.
-          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:07:32 2015
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 13:07:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Elizabeth,
I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking hypothetically.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Justin, 
> 
> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have been
> great to have known about it before it actually took place. The more people
> know about it, the more people who can take part in it. But perhaps you just
> need to be a part of a certain clique within the NFB to receive this kind of
> information. I did not see any information on today's protest besides
> hearing you mention it in this email.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked
> with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership
> thinks of it.
> 
> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to
> raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college
> students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew
> about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,
> 
> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the
> same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get
> national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
> Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
> of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
> 
> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns
> could be amazing.
> 
> What do people think of this idea?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student Professional
> Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
> sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
> this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
> brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
> and we will finish the journey.
> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:20:12 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:20:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Hello Kurt,

Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities." 

Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like an
event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate any
clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event did indeed
did take place today, it would seem as though not too many people knew about
it.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Elizabeth,
I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking
hypothetically.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Justin,
> 
> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have 
> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The 
> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it. 
> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the 
> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any information 
> on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the 
> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have 
> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS 
> membership thinks of it.
> 
> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
> other bills, too,
> 
> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on 
> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could 
> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at 
> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested 
> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers
with disabilities.
> 
> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the 
> returns could be amazing.
> 
> What do people think of this idea?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. 
> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
> challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. 
> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:24:39 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:24:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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I'm about 98% sure this was a hypothetical event. If there were a real
national protest of this magnitude, we would have been getting emails
from David Andrews about it for weeks beforehand on this list. Also,
Justin is suggesting a nationwide college protest in the future; if
something like that were already happening he wouldn't have suggested
it.
Arielle

On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Kurt,
>
> Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale,
> Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice
> of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities."
>
> Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like an
> event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate any
> clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event did indeed
> did take place today, it would seem as though not too many people knew
> about
> it.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>
> Elizabeth,
> I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking
> hypothetically.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Justin,
>>
>> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have
>> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The
>> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it.
>> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the
>> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any information
>> on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have
>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS
>> membership thinks of it.
>>
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our
>> other bills, too,
>>
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on
>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could
>> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at
>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested
>> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to
>> workers
> with disabilities.
>>
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the
>> returns could be amazing.
>>
>> What do people think of this idea?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana
>> Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will
>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
>> challenges and
>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:27:37 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:27:37 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Hi all:
 
 Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there’s no reason why we  couldn’t go about the attempt.
 On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
 I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
  I’m interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.

  Darian.           
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
> 
> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our other bills, too,
> 
> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
> 
> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
> 
> What do people think of this idea?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:30:55 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 15:30:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Hello Arielle,

Thank you for this clarification. IT looks as though I misunderstood Justin's email. However, I do not believe there were any announcements regarding the protest the NFB put together this past Labor Day, or at least I never saw any announcements regarding the Labor Day protest until after it took place.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Arielle Silverman [mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:25 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

I'm about 98% sure this was a hypothetical event. If there were a real national protest of this magnitude, we would have been getting emails from David Andrews about it for weeks beforehand on this list. Also, Justin is suggesting a nationwide college protest in the future; if something like that were already happening he wouldn't have suggested it.
Arielle

On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Kurt,
>
> Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, 
> Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the 
> outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities."
>
> Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like 
> an event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate 
> any clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event 
> did indeed did take place today, it would seem as though not too many 
> people knew about it.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>
> Elizabeth,
> I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking 
> hypothetically.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Justin,
>>
>> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have 
>> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The 
>> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it.
>> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the 
>> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any 
>> information on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the 
>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have 
>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS 
>> membership thinks of it.
>>
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>> other bills, too,
>>
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on 
>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could 
>> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at 
>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested 
>> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to 
>> workers
> with disabilities.
>>
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the 
>> returns could be amazing.
>>
>> What do people think of this idea?
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>> Louisiana Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
>> challenges and
>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 20:52:26 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:52:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
Message-ID: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>

OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal 
drug????????

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker 
<bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep

Morning, Bridget,

         I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 
during
high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to 
regulate my
sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, 
too!
Keep us posted?
Car
Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make 
sure
your disability services provider on campus knows about this and 
has
documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. 
in
the future.

Best wishes
Derek



Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
 very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused 
by
 lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah 
sorry
 it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get 
an
 EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
 very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get 
no
 sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
 morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist 
determined
 I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it 
sins
 Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
 quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, 
I
 have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
 but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
 Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
 has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How 
did
 you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? 
Were
 you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
 Any advice is appreciated.
 Bridget

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Jan 20 21:25:51 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:25:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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As the person who suggested coordinated protests to justin earlier today, I can 100% assure the group that it was hypothetical. I wouldn't plan a Harvard protest before spring classes have started. 

As to Darian's concerns. I agree. I think it would take a massive amount of work to be effective. But I think two additional things mitigate this concern. 

Number 1: we need to build our state student divisions. We will have a panel about this at washington seminar. However, we, in Massachusetts emailed every single college and high school in Massachusetts to let them know about our scholarship. Our student president raised 500 dollars to have a student social. Our affiliate is doing discounted rooms for students at our state convention.  Having this goal would necessitate and encourage us to replicate this success in other states. When MA started, we had an outdated email list, had not had a student meeting outside of the convention in years, only had a serving president and no board or offices etc.  We have doubled and updated our list, had 10 attendees from across the state at our meeting a few weeks ago, have 23 or so confirmed students in attendance for our state convention, etc.  

This needs to happen in as many states as possible. Yeah it is a lot of work, but it can empower as to raise money and put people pressure on schools and other institutions that are not living up to the promise of accessibility. 

The other thing that comes to mind there is a model we can follow that branches out from just having blind students protest. In Montana, an NFB member named Travis Moses banded together with other students with print disabilities and fought his administration for five years. 

We could follow this path and get other students, disabled or not, to protest sub-minimum wages, ACE's opposition to the TEACH Act, rally in support of the Marrakesh treaty etc. 

I think the best time to do this would be at national convention to coordinate for the fall semester and during the summer when people have less obligations. 

In the meantime, we would all need to increase our efforts to improve our state student divisions. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Arielle,
> 
> Thank you for this clarification. IT looks as though I misunderstood Justin's email. However, I do not believe there were any announcements regarding the protest the NFB put together this past Labor Day, or at least I never saw any announcements regarding the Labor Day protest until after it took place.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arielle Silverman [mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:25 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> I'm about 98% sure this was a hypothetical event. If there were a real national protest of this magnitude, we would have been getting emails from David Andrews about it for weeks beforehand on this list. Also, Justin is suggesting a nationwide college protest in the future; if something like that were already happening he wouldn't have suggested it.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Kurt,
>> 
>> Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, 
>> Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the 
>> outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities."
>> 
>> Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like 
>> an event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate 
>> any clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event 
>> did indeed did take place today, it would seem as though not too many 
>> people knew about it.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>> 
>> Elizabeth,
>> I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking 
>> hypothetically.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Justin,
>>> 
>>> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have 
>>> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The 
>>> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it.
>>> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the 
>>> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any 
>>> information on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>> 
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the 
>>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have 
>>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS 
>>> membership thinks of it.
>>> 
>>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>>> other bills, too,
>>> 
>>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on 
>>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could 
>>> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at 
>>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested 
>>> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to 
>>> workers
>> with disabilities.
>>> 
>>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the 
>>> returns could be amazing.
>>> 
>>> What do people think of this idea?
>>> 
>>> Yours,
>>> 
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>>> Louisiana Tech University
>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>> 
>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
>>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
>>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
>>> challenges and
>>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
>>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Jan 20 21:30:22 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:30:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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I think most states (and even the DOJ is coming around to this) have medical marijuana. I'm sure he wasn't suggesting illegal use  and is only talking about it in conjunction with a doctor's prescription and in compliance with state law.

Best wishes
Derek Manners 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
> 
> Morning, Bridget,
> 
>        I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
> high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
> sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
> regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
> meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
> Keep us posted?
> Car
> Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
> specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
> your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
> documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
> the future.
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
> very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
> lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
> it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
> EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
> very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
> sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
> morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
> I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
> Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
> quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
> have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
> but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
> has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
> you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
> you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 20 21:55:09 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:55:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Elizabeth,
I've had positive and negative experiences.
My experience is not like justin's either.
I do feel some encouragement from local members but much of it I feel leaves 
me alone to fight my struggles.
Examples: they are older people with job security; they have no struggles 
filling out online applications, no issues getting promotions at work, seem 
to have few transit issues, and no struggles of accessibility  due 
inaccessible material as a student.

So why is it different from member to member?

I'd guess it’s the following

1. nfb is made of individuals. Some have better people skills than others.
Some join to fight for change nationally like protests and lobbying and 
others join to assist you on a more micro level through every day 
challenges. Example: most in my local chapter seem aloof and I'd say they 
are active to do things nationally, the  macro level.
But only a few get you on the micro level; like being a mentor. like if you 
have a tech question, they answer it.

2. In general I find older federationists to be set in their ways and less 
open to doing things differently.
This may have been your experience, I do not know. I can tell you I've 
visited a few chapters in the state, and they have almost nothing in common.
Yes, they are all still NFB, but the dynamics and personalities of people 
and issues brought up at local meetings varies widely.

3. Just like any movement, people express it differently. Perhaps those you 
encountered were say, stuck up and brag about their success. But, many are 
not like this. Many live the philosophy and don't brag about themselves.

All good questions. Thanks for asking and later when I have time, if you 
want more of my experiences, I'll state them off list. just let me know. but 
I'm out of town tomorrow, so maybe next week.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:47 AM
To: 'Manners, Derek' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hello Justin,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative? Why
have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
post on such a public email list.

And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
described in your email.

And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and false
advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world in
which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be very
frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I
> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities
> for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a
> blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because
> of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I
> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton
> and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
signature. You can read it if you like.
> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have
> changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
> Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
> scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact that I
> would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a state
> convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to complain
> about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
> surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
> Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil
> engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they
> wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind
> people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
> 1. Good Mentoring
> 2. Good Blind Role Models
> 3. Learning about leadership
> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and
> do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. Let's
> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>
> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
> National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in
> the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the
> same thing.
> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty
> bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS
> members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and
> leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem
> animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into
> flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been
> able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is
> that people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in
> our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. It's
> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The
> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> With much love for my Federation family,
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will
> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
> challenges and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello All,
>
> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I
> am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that
> seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few
> questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.
>
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? And
> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more
> to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather
> than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer
> these questions from this point of view as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 22:00:44 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:00:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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I think the point Derek brings up about  the need to strengthen our student divisions is spot on, and is  something that has been taken to heart by many. I think it is something that  needs to be more of a shared  vision that is committed to by our  national student division,  state student division, and our state affiliates, not just the members of the board of the  directors  of each, but certainly   lead in a unified  manner by those bodies.
   I’m very excited about the presentation to take place  at Washington seminar because  many divisions have gone  about their success in  different ways and hearing about some can be  energizing.
  
 hopefully in building and    strengthening our student divisions  we come to support and encourage students  If we tell them about the scholarships,  get to know them, and the like, we’ll know where the need is in our states and can best address them, if we address those then the protests might come.  
 In short, lets  connect as  people, find the common concerns, then collectively organize. 
 Darian                   
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> As the person who suggested coordinated protests to justin earlier today, I can 100% assure the group that it was hypothetical. I wouldn't plan a Harvard protest before spring classes have started. 
> 
> As to Darian's concerns. I agree. I think it would take a massive amount of work to be effective. But I think two additional things mitigate this concern. 
> 
> Number 1: we need to build our state student divisions. We will have a panel about this at washington seminar. However, we, in Massachusetts emailed every single college and high school in Massachusetts to let them know about our scholarship. Our student president raised 500 dollars to have a student social. Our affiliate is doing discounted rooms for students at our state convention.  Having this goal would necessitate and encourage us to replicate this success in other states. When MA started, we had an outdated email list, had not had a student meeting outside of the convention in years, only had a serving president and no board or offices etc.  We have doubled and updated our list, had 10 attendees from across the state at our meeting a few weeks ago, have 23 or so confirmed students in attendance for our state convention, etc.  
> 
> This needs to happen in as many states as possible. Yeah it is a lot of work, but it can empower as to raise money and put people pressure on schools and other institutions that are not living up to the promise of accessibility. 
> 
> The other thing that comes to mind there is a model we can follow that branches out from just having blind students protest. In Montana, an NFB member named Travis Moses banded together with other students with print disabilities and fought his administration for five years. 
> 
> We could follow this path and get other students, disabled or not, to protest sub-minimum wages, ACE's opposition to the TEACH Act, rally in support of the Marrakesh treaty etc. 
> 
> I think the best time to do this would be at national convention to coordinate for the fall semester and during the summer when people have less obligations. 
> 
> In the meantime, we would all need to increase our efforts to improve our state student divisions. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Arielle,
>> 
>> Thank you for this clarification. IT looks as though I misunderstood Justin's email. However, I do not believe there were any announcements regarding the protest the NFB put together this past Labor Day, or at least I never saw any announcements regarding the Labor Day protest until after it took place.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arielle Silverman [mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:25 PM
>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>> 
>> I'm about 98% sure this was a hypothetical event. If there were a real national protest of this magnitude, we would have been getting emails from David Andrews about it for weeks beforehand on this list. Also, Justin is suggesting a nationwide college protest in the future; if something like that were already happening he wouldn't have suggested it.
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello Kurt,
>>> 
>>> Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, 
>>> Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the 
>>> outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities."
>>> 
>>> Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like 
>>> an event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate 
>>> any clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event 
>>> did indeed did take place today, it would seem as though not too many 
>>> people knew about it.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
>>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth,
>>> I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking 
>>> hypothetically.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>> 
>>>> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have 
>>>> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The 
>>>> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it.
>>>> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the 
>>>> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any 
>>>> information on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
>>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>>> 
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>> 
>>>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the 
>>>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have 
>>>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS 
>>>> membership thinks of it.
>>>> 
>>>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>>>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>>>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>>>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>>>> other bills, too,
>>>> 
>>>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on 
>>>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could 
>>>> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at 
>>>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested 
>>>> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to 
>>>> workers
>>> with disabilities.
>>>> 
>>>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the 
>>>> returns could be amazing.
>>>> 
>>>> What do people think of this idea?
>>>> 
>>>> Yours,
>>>> 
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>>>> Louisiana Tech University
>>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>>> 
>>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
>>>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>>>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
>>>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
>>>> challenges and
>>>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>>>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
>>>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>>> 
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From tbrown.brl at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 22:25:52 2015
From: tbrown.brl at gmail.com (Tom Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:25:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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Hello NABS, 

I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?

Thank you

Tom Brown
President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students 
Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 22:37:15 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 14:37:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hi all,
  I came to know of the NFB through people I came into contact with.
 when I was in high school.  While they told me bits and peaces of it, it wasn’t until attending a summer program at one of our training centers that I started my gradual understanding of the philosophy of the organization. As I think about it, I would probably say that I didn’t really become an active member of the federation until  a few years after intensive training  in the adult program  at that same center.  between the time I graduated and the chapter meeting that solidified  my involvement,  people that i now come to know as friends tried to get me to come to meets and calls.
 It was a meeting in  February of 2008 where a mentor of mine told number of us  that we could make a difference for blind people in the city were I lived and it was then I came to realize what I wanted to do and today why I’m still here.
 I want to do what I can to encourage other blind people to seek their potential, sighted people to come to know what potential we truly have, and to help our movement do these things a  collaborative, collective effort.
 my chapter and affiliate showed me  that there is much to do, leaders and mentors have taught me and are  still teaching me how to do the work, and  the  people I’ve impacted  and have been impacted by what we all do remind me that  what we do here works.
 My involvement in nabs just kind of ended up happening, but was  some of the most fun, challenging and exciting stuff I    did and have done up to this point.  It’s taught me  that   all you need is a group of great, committee people and a cause you believe in and you  can get a lot done. 
 it’s also taught me a bit about leadership and how  being a leader is truly an evolutionary process.  So in short, I joined to help make opportunities greater, people  stronger, and leave things better than I found them.  Hopefully I’ll be able to say I’ve done so.
  Thanks so much for the  great discussion starter,  Elizabeth. 
 The Federation is different things to different people, and  I hope that you  take the time in your own time to find what it is going to be for you.
 
  Darian         
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Elizabeth,
> I've had positive and negative experiences.
> My experience is not like justin's either.
> I do feel some encouragement from local members but much of it I feel leaves me alone to fight my struggles.
> Examples: they are older people with job security; they have no struggles filling out online applications, no issues getting promotions at work, seem to have few transit issues, and no struggles of accessibility  due inaccessible material as a student.
> 
> So why is it different from member to member?
> 
> I'd guess it’s the following
> 
> 1. nfb is made of individuals. Some have better people skills than others.
> Some join to fight for change nationally like protests and lobbying and others join to assist you on a more micro level through every day challenges. Example: most in my local chapter seem aloof and I'd say they are active to do things nationally, the  macro level.
> But only a few get you on the micro level; like being a mentor. like if you have a tech question, they answer it.
> 
> 2. In general I find older federationists to be set in their ways and less open to doing things differently.
> This may have been your experience, I do not know. I can tell you I've visited a few chapters in the state, and they have almost nothing in common.
> Yes, they are all still NFB, but the dynamics and personalities of people and issues brought up at local meetings varies widely.
> 
> 3. Just like any movement, people express it differently. Perhaps those you encountered were say, stuck up and brag about their success. But, many are not like this. Many live the philosophy and don't brag about themselves.
> 
> All good questions. Thanks for asking and later when I have time, if you want more of my experiences, I'll state them off list. just let me know. but I'm out of town tomorrow, so maybe next week.
> 
> Ashley
> -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:47 AM
> To: 'Manners, Derek' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> Hello Justin,
> 
> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
> organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative? Why
> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
> post on such a public email list.
> 
> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
> described in your email.
> 
> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and false
> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world in
> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
> lawsuits by the NFB.
> 
> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.
> 
> I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be very
> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
> a time.
> 
> Best Wishes
> Derek Manners
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>> 
>> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
>> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I
>> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>> 
>> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities
>> for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a
>> blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because
>> of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I
>> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
>> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton
>> and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
>> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
> signature. You can read it if you like.
>> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have
>> changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
>> Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
>> scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact that I
>> would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a state
>> convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to complain
>> about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
>> surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
>> Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil
>> engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they
>> wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind
>> people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
>> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>> 
>> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
>> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
>> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>> 
>> 1. Good Mentoring
>> 2. Good Blind Role Models
>> 3. Learning about leadership
>> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
>> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and
>> do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. Let's
>> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
>> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>> 
>> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
>> National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>> 
>> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
>> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in
>> the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the
>> same thing.
>> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty
>> bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS
>> members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and
>> leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem
>> animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into
>> flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been
>> able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
>> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is
>> that people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in
>> our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. It's
>> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
>> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The
>> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>> With much love for my Federation family,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana
>> Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will
>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
>> challenges and
>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>> Mohnke via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
>> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I
>> am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that
>> seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few
>> questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.
>> 
>> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
>> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
>> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? And
>> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
>> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>> 
>> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
>> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more
>> to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather
>> than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer
>> these questions from this point of view as well.
>> 
>> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 22:50:47 2015
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:50:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hello all,
I joined the National Federation of the Blind because this
organization has truly shown me that there is no limit in what I can
accomplish. The tagline of the NFB is to live the life you want and I
truly believe that without learning and living the philosophy of the
NFB, I would not be where I am today. Each member of each affiliate
has different backgrounds and that is one reason why I love this
organization, there is such a huge dynamic of individuals coming from
all walks of life. Although it is true, not every chapter will be of
the same make up, we are ultimately all here for the same reason,
which is to ensure equality and prosperity of the blindness community.
It is also true that not everyone will agree with all of the
philosophy of the NFB or the ACb or another blindness organization; my
response is simply try both of the organizations, see which philosophy
you believe in more and if you want to be part of an organization join
it. We here in the NFB would love to have you be part of this amazing
organization.

Good luck

Jonathan Franks
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
1st Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students


On 1/20/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>   I came to know of the NFB through people I came into contact with.
>  when I was in high school.  While they told me bits and peaces of it, it
> wasn’t until attending a summer program at one of our training centers that
> I started my gradual understanding of the philosophy of the organization. As
> I think about it, I would probably say that I didn’t really become an active
> member of the federation until  a few years after intensive training  in the
> adult program  at that same center.  between the time I graduated and the
> chapter meeting that solidified  my involvement,  people that i now come to
> know as friends tried to get me to come to meets and calls.
>  It was a meeting in  February of 2008 where a mentor of mine told number of
> us  that we could make a difference for blind people in the city were I
> lived and it was then I came to realize what I wanted to do and today why
> I’m still here.
>  I want to do what I can to encourage other blind people to seek their
> potential, sighted people to come to know what potential we truly have, and
> to help our movement do these things a  collaborative, collective effort.
>  my chapter and affiliate showed me  that there is much to do, leaders and
> mentors have taught me and are  still teaching me how to do the work, and
> the  people I’ve impacted  and have been impacted by what we all do remind
> me that  what we do here works.
>  My involvement in nabs just kind of ended up happening, but was  some of
> the most fun, challenging and exciting stuff I    did and have done up to
> this point.  It’s taught me  that   all you need is a group of great,
> committee people and a cause you believe in and you  can get a lot done.
>  it’s also taught me a bit about leadership and how  being a leader is truly
> an evolutionary process.  So in short, I joined to help make opportunities
> greater, people  stronger, and leave things better than I found them.
> Hopefully I’ll be able to say I’ve done so.
>   Thanks so much for the  great discussion starter,  Elizabeth.
>  The Federation is different things to different people, and  I hope that
> you  take the time in your own time to find what it is going to be for you.
>
>   Darian
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:55 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Elizabeth,
>> I've had positive and negative experiences.
>> My experience is not like justin's either.
>> I do feel some encouragement from local members but much of it I feel
>> leaves me alone to fight my struggles.
>> Examples: they are older people with job security; they have no struggles
>> filling out online applications, no issues getting promotions at work,
>> seem to have few transit issues, and no struggles of accessibility  due
>> inaccessible material as a student.
>>
>> So why is it different from member to member?
>>
>> I'd guess it’s the following
>>
>> 1. nfb is made of individuals. Some have better people skills than others.
>> Some join to fight for change nationally like protests and lobbying and
>> others join to assist you on a more micro level through every day
>> challenges. Example: most in my local chapter seem aloof and I'd say they
>> are active to do things nationally, the  macro level.
>> But only a few get you on the micro level; like being a mentor. like if
>> you have a tech question, they answer it.
>>
>> 2. In general I find older federationists to be set in their ways and less
>> open to doing things differently.
>> This may have been your experience, I do not know. I can tell you I've
>> visited a few chapters in the state, and they have almost nothing in
>> common.
>> Yes, they are all still NFB, but the dynamics and personalities of people
>> and issues brought up at local meetings varies widely.
>>
>> 3. Just like any movement, people express it differently. Perhaps those
>> you encountered were say, stuck up and brag about their success. But, many
>> are not like this. Many live the philosophy and don't brag about
>> themselves.
>>
>> All good questions. Thanks for asking and later when I have time, if you
>> want more of my experiences, I'll state them off list. just let me know.
>> but I'm out of town tomorrow, so maybe next week.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:47 AM
>> To: 'Manners, Derek' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>>
>> Hello Justin,
>>
>> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
>> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
>> organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
>> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this
>> email.
>> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your
>> overall
>> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative?
>> Why
>> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
>> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
>> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
>> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
>> post on such a public email list.
>>
>> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
>> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders
>> on
>> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
>> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
>> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
>> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
>> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter
>> leaders,
>> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
>> described in your email.
>>
>> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
>> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
>> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
>> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the
>> Blind?
>> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and
>> false
>> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
>> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
>> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
>> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
>> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners,
>> Derek
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>>
>> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
>> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to
>> make
>> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
>> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
>> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
>> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
>> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
>> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
>> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world
>> in
>> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
>> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
>> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
>> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
>> lawsuits by the NFB.
>>
>> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
>> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that
>> much
>> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.
>>
>> I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be
>> very
>> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
>> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
>> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president
>> at
>> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months
>> at
>> a time.
>>
>> Best Wishes
>> Derek Manners
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>>
>>> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
>>> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. I
>>> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>>>
>>> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>>> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities
>>> for me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a
>>> blind person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because
>>> of the 65 years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. I
>>> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
>>> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton
>>> and run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
>>> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
>> signature. You can read it if you like.
>>> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have
>>> changed my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the
>>> Federation, I used to wield blindness as a source of pity to get
>>> scholarship money and to impress news reporters with the fact that I
>>> would get out of bed every morning. At my first NFB event, a state
>>> convention where I was a scholarship winner, I was trying to complain
>>> about how hard science was as a blind person. Three blind people
>>> surrounded me and started encouraging me, telling me that the
>>> Federation would help me get through it. They were a chemist, a civil
>>> engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity, but they
>>> wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000 blind
>>> people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
>>> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
>> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>>>
>>> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
>>> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
>>> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>>>
>>> 1. Good Mentoring
>>> 2. Good Blind Role Models
>>> 3. Learning about leadership
>>> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
>>> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and
>>> do it effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. Let's
>>> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national
>>> convention, pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>>>
>>> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
>>> National Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>>>
>>> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
>>> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in
>>> the good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the
>>> same thing.
>>> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty
>>> bad mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS
>>> members and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and
>>> leaders-could have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem
>>> animal in my Native American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into
>>> flame and be reborn any time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been
>>> able to reinvent myself, but a necessary part of that is others'
>>> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is
>>> that people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in
>>> our movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. It's
>>> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
>>> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. The
>>> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
>>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>> With much love for my Federation family,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana
>>> Tech University
>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>>
>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
>>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will
>>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
>>> challenges and
>>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
>>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
>>> Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
>>> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I
>>> am already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that
>>> seem to keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few
>>> questions to spur on some discussion on this email list.
>>>
>>> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>>> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the
>>> blind is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that
>>> you believe makes your experience positive rather than negative? And
>>> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>>>
>>> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
>>> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more
>>> to being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather
>>> than the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer
>>> these questions from this point of view as well.
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing your responses.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
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-- 
Jonathan Franks
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
1st Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
Treasurer
 Texas Association of Blind Students


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 20 23:06:25 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:06:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hello Carl,

I was trying to frame my questions in a more positive way because continuing
to focus on the negative only seems to upset me and create more negativity.
I have shared bits and pieces of my specific experience with a number of
individuals privately, and sharing these specifics of my personal experience
with others has never really done anything to answer the question as to why
I am treated so poorly within the National Federation of the Blind. 

As I have already stated, my overall experience within the NFB has been
marked with harsh criticism and rejection rather than encouragement,
support, and acceptance. Because of this I am questioning why I keep trying
to remain a part of the National Federation of the Blind. 

Therefore, I thought it would be beneficial to hear why others are a part of
the NFB, what factors make their experience a positive one rather than a
negative one, and the strengths of the organization. I thought perhaps this
would help me identify any positives from my own experience even though it
is rather negative. I also wanted to see how I might be able to make my
experience with the NFB a more positive one while trying to prevent someone
else from having the same negative experience as me.

However, it would appear as though trying to use this more positive approach
has not been all that successful, and I apologize for bringing up such a
controversial subject on the email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Martin Adam [mailto:kmaent1 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:01 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about exactly what
your negative experiences have been, but this makes it difficult for any of
us to give you constructive answers.  
Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about, we can't
tell you what we've done differently or point out that we've interacted with
different people or realize that we evaluate certain things as being less
negative or anything like that.  At least in my case, one difference in our
experience is probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the
president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.  
My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have in the vast
majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also primarily a member
because I support the NFB's advocacy goals, not because I'm looking for
self-affirmation from leadership.  
That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local mentoring
program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and my basic mobility
skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive experience.  As Arielle said, it
is very sad that you, and others, have had negative experiences, and we
should all work to reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can
feel comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've had, so
that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think of many reasons you
might not want to do that, so please don't feel pressured in any way.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent:
Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Hello Justin,

Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative? Why
have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
post on such a public email list.

And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
described in your email.

And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and false
advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world in
which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
lawsuits by the NFB.

Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be very
frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
a time.

Best Wishes
Derek Manners

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Dear Elizabeth,

 Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. 
I
 think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
 The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities  for
me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a  blind
person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because  of the 65
years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. 
I
 believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton  and
run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
 Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
signature. You can read it if you like.
 I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have  changed
my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the  Federation, I used
to wield blindness as a source of pity to get  scholarship money and to
impress news reporters with the fact that I  would get out of bed every
morning. At my first NFB event, a state  convention where I was a
scholarship winner, I was trying to complain  about how hard science was as
a blind person. Three blind people  surrounded me and started encouraging
me, telling me that the  Federation would help me get through it. They were
a chemist, a civil  engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity,
but they  wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
blind  people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.

 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you believe
makes your experience positive rather than negative?

 1. Good Mentoring
 2. Good Blind Role Models
 3. Learning about leadership
 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and  do it
effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. 
Let's
 not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national  convention,
pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!

 And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the  National
Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in  the
good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the  same
thing.
 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty  bad
mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS  members
and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and  leaders-could
have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem  animal in my Native
American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into  flame and be reborn any
time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been  able to reinvent myself, but
a necessary part of that is others'
 willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is  that
people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in  our
movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. 
It's
 all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. 
The
 National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create  obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life  you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

 With much love for my Federation family,

 Justin Salisbury

 Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student  Professional
Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana  Tech University
 Email: jms132 at latech.edu
 Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

 But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our  heritage
demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
 Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will  pay
it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the  challenges
and
 confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
 My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
stairs, and we will finish the journey.
 - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
 Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

 Hello All,

 It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I  am
already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that  seem to
keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few  questions to
spur on some discussion on this email list.

 Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
 If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you believe
makes your experience positive rather than negative? 
And
 finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

 Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more  to
being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather  than
the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer  these
questions from this point of view as well.

 I look forward to hearing your responses.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:30:14 2015
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:30:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
In-Reply-To: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
References: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A43C4090-7853-4138-A34E-401C4BB41782@gmail.com>

The accessibility of MML is highly dependent on which course you're using it for. I've worked with MML for college algebra, trigonometry, calculus 1, 2, and 3 and had carrying experiences with each course. It is my understanding that Pearson is improving accessibility of MML course by course so if it's your first math course, you might be okay as far as JAWS access goes. If you want to contact me off list to discuss this and other math related matters further, you're more than welcome to do so. 

Best,
Jamie Principato
Blackbyrdfly at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:25 PM, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS, 
> 
> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Tom Brown
> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students 
> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:32:37 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha Desai)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:32:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
In-Reply-To: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
References: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABXceRjqX2Dzodo9gmPC_BaG86H3DKm3yS8Ljd3Ks__EHO4bQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.

Thanks,

On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello NABS,
>
> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has
> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
>
> Thank you
>
> Tom Brown
> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:34:18 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:34:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
In-Reply-To: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
References: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9sXq4H6vASN6spJxdRF=0aLjkJQS-wTW=8Jwg6UmOx0Qw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom.  My college used My Math lab, and it is not very accessible
with jaws at all.  I was able to check my grades and look at the
assignments a little, but you cannot fill in the answers to your math
questions using jaws.  My math labs uses adobe flash to show
different aspects of your assignments and the program just doesn't
work with jaws.  You'll need to get sighted assistance.  When I needed
to do my math homework, I'd always go to the tutoring center so
someone could read me the questions and fill in the answers.

On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello NABS,
>
> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has
> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
>
> Thank you
>
> Tom Brown
> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:44:41 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 17:44:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] clicker questions
Message-ID: <ED0F8C6A-41ED-40A7-B7AD-E964CEACC75D@gmail.com>

Hey wonderful people,

We are doing clicker questions in my chemistry class and I want to know how other people have done this.  Handling the clicker is fine, its just having time to answer the questions so fast. We are not supposed to see the questions til we get to class and we go over the answers right after we answer the question.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Anna E Givens

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 21 00:45:44 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:45:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CABXceRjqX2Dzodo9gmPC_BaG86H3DKm3yS8Ljd3Ks__EHO4bQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69FC48D0-69DC-4304-B163-C5563F2D4F9B@gmail.com>
	<CABXceRjqX2Dzodo9gmPC_BaG86H3DKm3yS8Ljd3Ks__EHO4bQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <550535DF58B94F0C84764CFB0B8B39C0@OwnerPC>

Hi,

I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
But access issues are still there.
Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.

Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it 
inaccessible.
When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all. What 
I did was book work for homework instead.

I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs and 
figures in math.
So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance for 
your homework such as a tutor or reader.
You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.

But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do your 
work.
A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor such 
as book problems from the text.

Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace and 
schedule, not someone else's.
Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling 
conflicts and time constraints.

HTH,

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS

Hey,
My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.

Thanks,

On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello NABS,
>
> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. 
> Has
> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
>
> Thank you
>
> Tom Brown
> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
> _______________________________________________
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 00:50:26 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:50:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Latest victor stream
Message-ID: <AF5EF3C2-DE4E-4FE3-A341-D4EDFBFD7D44@gmail.com>

Hello all,
I hope this message finds everyone in good health and happy spirits. I was wondering if anyone who has the latest Victor Stream could give me some info about it and how you like it? I have the really old one which has a horrible recording device and I heard that the newest one you're able to download your books right on to the device without having to connect it to your computer which is what I have to do with my older victor stream. Thanks in advance

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 01:04:50 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:04:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance of Social Skills
Message-ID: <54befb47.465c3c0a.5b5e.7f05@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to discuss the importance of social skills.  In the 
Winter issue of the Student Slate Cody Bair talks about the ABC's 
of metworking when looking for a job.  Communicating with 
perspective employers is a good way to have questions about the 
company answered.  As blind students we more be able to 
communicate our needs to our rehab counselors and professors.  
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 01:09:00 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:09:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance of Social Skills
In-Reply-To: <54befb47.465c3c0a.5b5e.7f05@mx.google.com>
References: <54befb47.465c3c0a.5b5e.7f05@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000601d03516$d756d890$860489b0$@gmail.com>

The most important part is to be able to tell them what works for you, what
accommodations you use, and why.  Write it down first before you go there
and have it either memorized or in note form. An employer or rehabilitation
counselor, even if they are resistant is more likely to cooperate if you
know your stuff; it's your show.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:05 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance of Social Skills

Dear Students,

I'd like to discuss the importance of social skills.  In the Winter issue of
the Student Slate Cody Bair talks about the ABC's of metworking when looking
for a job.  Communicating with perspective employers is a good way to have
questions about the company answered.  As blind students we more be able to
communicate our needs to our rehab counselors and professors.  
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic.

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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 01:12:55 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 20:12:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] clicker questions
In-Reply-To: <ED0F8C6A-41ED-40A7-B7AD-E964CEACC75D@gmail.com>
References: <ED0F8C6A-41ED-40A7-B7AD-E964CEACC75D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B80012D8-D7F5-4A4C-A639-687B6D937701@gmail.com>

Hey Anna,

I used the clicker in my music theory class when I was a freshaman.  The only piece of advice I can give you is to ask the professor to give a little time for you to answer the questions.  My theory professor would read the question out loud and then we would enter the answers.  If she didn’t read the questions out loud, she would assign someone to quietly read them for me.  The main thing is that you should have, say 30 to 45 seconds in between each question so that you (and the rest of the class) can enter your answers.  Hope this helps.  Let me know if I can help further.


Ryan L. Silveira
חָים אהרן בן אברהם סילביירה

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey wonderful people,
> 
> We are doing clicker questions in my chemistry class and I want to know how other people have done this.  Handling the clicker is fine, its just having time to answer the questions so fast. We are not supposed to see the questions til we get to class and we go over the answers right after we answer the question.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 01:54:00 2015
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:54:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <EE25FC55-7EEA-4FFA-8039-5647DB51EB98@gmail.com>
References: <BLUPR05MB402828383F81C09DAABFA17894B0@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<COL401-EAS2233EA7978F9D64DBCCE08CBA4B0@phx.gbl>
	<9AF9F304-6F00-4DFE-9A89-3393B0528B28@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS336411EB2005DBF7DD5CA41BA4B0@phx.gbl>
	<CALAYQJAkgN0uv2j5pxnfJM5nEKH_tns0w3Y7CVpNMeTK1pNQhg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS327E65197085EF788AC9065BA4B0@phx.gbl>
	<12F82E74-F76C-4ED9-A27B-5C41A700E8EF@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<EE25FC55-7EEA-4FFA-8039-5647DB51EB98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F0F707C-B7EE-41E9-9641-ECB69C2164CE@gmail.com>

Hi Justin,


i think this is a wonderful idea. Renwick Lewis from the University of Alabama and I were both discussing something similar but in addition to the legislature portion, we also want to focus on blind students involvement on campus. along with accessibility to the learning material along with a few other ideas.  However, there is no doubt that student divisions, especially ours here in Alabama. need to be better organized and prepared. Keep us informed here in country Bama.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 4:00 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think the point Derek brings up about  the need to strengthen our student divisions is spot on, and is  something that has been taken to heart by many. I think it is something that  needs to be more of a shared  vision that is committed to by our  national student division,  state student division, and our state affiliates, not just the members of the board of the  directors  of each, but certainly   lead in a unified  manner by those bodies.
>   I’m very excited about the presentation to take place  at Washington seminar because  many divisions have gone  about their success in  different ways and hearing about some can be  energizing.
> 
> hopefully in building and    strengthening our student divisions  we come to support and encourage students  If we tell them about the scholarships,  get to know them, and the like, we’ll know where the need is in our states and can best address them, if we address those then the protests might come.  
> In short, lets  connect as  people, find the common concerns, then collectively organize. 
> Darian                   
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:25 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> As the person who suggested coordinated protests to justin earlier today, I can 100% assure the group that it was hypothetical. I wouldn't plan a Harvard protest before spring classes have started. 
>> 
>> As to Darian's concerns. I agree. I think it would take a massive amount of work to be effective. But I think two additional things mitigate this concern. 
>> 
>> Number 1: we need to build our state student divisions. We will have a panel about this at washington seminar. However, we, in Massachusetts emailed every single college and high school in Massachusetts to let them know about our scholarship. Our student president raised 500 dollars to have a student social. Our affiliate is doing discounted rooms for students at our state convention.  Having this goal would necessitate and encourage us to replicate this success in other states. When MA started, we had an outdated email list, had not had a student meeting outside of the convention in years, only had a serving president and no board or offices etc.  We have doubled and updated our list, had 10 attendees from across the state at our meeting a few weeks ago, have 23 or so confirmed students in attendance for our state convention, etc.  
>> 
>> This needs to happen in as many states as possible. Yeah it is a lot of work, but it can empower as to raise money and put people pressure on schools and other institutions that are not living up to the promise of accessibility. 
>> 
>> The other thing that comes to mind there is a model we can follow that branches out from just having blind students protest. In Montana, an NFB member named Travis Moses banded together with other students with print disabilities and fought his administration for five years. 
>> 
>> We could follow this path and get other students, disabled or not, to protest sub-minimum wages, ACE's opposition to the TEACH Act, rally in support of the Marrakesh treaty etc. 
>> 
>> I think the best time to do this would be at national convention to coordinate for the fall semester and during the summer when people have less obligations. 
>> 
>> In the meantime, we would all need to increase our efforts to improve our state student divisions. 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Arielle,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for this clarification. IT looks as though I misunderstood Justin's email. However, I do not believe there were any announcements regarding the protest the NFB put together this past Labor Day, or at least I never saw any announcements regarding the Labor Day protest until after it took place.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Arielle Silverman [mailto:arielle71 at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:25 PM
>>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>> 
>>> I'm about 98% sure this was a hypothetical event. If there were a real national protest of this magnitude, we would have been getting emails from David Andrews about it for weeks beforehand on this list. Also, Justin is suggesting a nationwide college protest in the future; if something like that were already happening he wouldn't have suggested it.
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello Kurt,
>>>> 
>>>> Justin's email states, " For example: Today, students at Harvard, 
>>>> Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the 
>>>> outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities."
>>>> 
>>>> Unless I am reading Justin's email incorrectly, this sounds to me like 
>>>> an event that actually took place today. I would greatly appreciate 
>>>> any clarification if I am somehow reading this wrong. If this event 
>>>> did indeed did take place today, it would seem as though not too many 
>>>> people knew about it.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Kirt [mailto:kirt.crazydude at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 3:08 PM
>>>> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>>>> list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth,
>>>> I'm sure Justin can clarify, but I understood him to be speaking 
>>>> hypothetically.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:03 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not sure who planned the protest for today, but it would have 
>>>>> been great to have known about it before it actually took place. The 
>>>>> more people know about it, the more people who can take part in it.
>>>>> But perhaps you just need to be a part of a certain clique within the 
>>>>> NFB to receive this kind of information. I did not see any 
>>>>> information on today's protest besides hearing you mention it in this email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>>>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:36 PM
>>>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the 
>>>>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have 
>>>>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS 
>>>>> membership thinks of it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>>>>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>>>>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>>>>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>>>>> other bills, too,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on 
>>>>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could 
>>>>> help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at 
>>>>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested 
>>>>> the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to 
>>>>> workers
>>>> with disabilities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the 
>>>>> returns could be amazing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do people think of this idea?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yours,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Justin
>>>>> 
>>>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>>>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>>>>> Louisiana Tech University
>>>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>>>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our 
>>>>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>>>>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will 
>>>>> pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the 
>>>>> challenges and
>>>>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>>>>> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the 
>>>>> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>>>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 02:08:48 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:08:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Hi Elizabeth and all,
I think it is hard for us to give you the answers you are seeking
because the answer to your question is complicated. As a good friend
once told me, "There are three sides to every story: what you think
happened, what the other person thinks happened and what actually
happened". The negative experiences you've had with NFB probably stem
from a combination of the specific NFB members you've interacted with,
your behavior, and your interpretations of those interactions.
Several listers have mentioned high expectations. The NFB does espouse
high expectations for blind people, but this often comes across as a
kind of tough love. The tough-love approach works well for many people
and those people tend to stay around the NFB. However, I think that
for some people this tough love feels more like harsh criticism. There
is absolutely nothing wrong with feeling this way. It just means that
style of mentoring doesn't work well for you personally. Conversely, I
think some NFB members take the NFB philosophy as a reason to harshly
judge other blind people who they think are not living up to
standards. This is sad but it does happen. So, if you happen to be a
person who doesn't respond well to tough love, and you came across
judgmental NFB members, this sounds like the conditions to create a
bad match between you and the organization. Again, it doesn't mean you
are bad, it doesn't mean the organization is bad, it just means the
organization may be a poor fit for your particular needs.
For the record, while I am happy being part of NFB, I am glad there
are multiple blindness organizations out there because I think it's
good for blind people to have a choice in which organization they can
join. If any of you have tried out NFB and feel like it's not quite
what you were looking for, I'd encourage you to check out the ACB,
check out local blindness groups, until you find a group you feel
truly welcome in and that captures your interests. I happen to believe
there are many blind folks who are NFB at heart, meaning they believe
it is respectable to be blind, even though they choose not to join the
NFB. I've met some of those guys. I think any blind person who is
living the life they want is an asset to the organized blind no matter
what groups they join or don't join. I also think those blind folks
who are struggling to live the lives they want are definitely worthy
of joining with us, including you Elizabeth. While I encourage anyone
who's unhappy in NFB to check out alternatives,I also think we as an
organization need to really evaluate how we can be better meeting the
needs of those who are unhappy. Part of it is just understanding that
different people respond to different styles of mentoring and that for
some, blindness is not their primary issue they are dealing with. I
think we as an organization need to work on loving our members
unconditionally even as we encourage them to raise expectations for
themselves.
Best, Arielle

On 1/20/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Carl,
>
> I was trying to frame my questions in a more positive way because
> continuing
> to focus on the negative only seems to upset me and create more negativity.
> I have shared bits and pieces of my specific experience with a number of
> individuals privately, and sharing these specifics of my personal
> experience
> with others has never really done anything to answer the question as to why
> I am treated so poorly within the National Federation of the Blind.
>
> As I have already stated, my overall experience within the NFB has been
> marked with harsh criticism and rejection rather than encouragement,
> support, and acceptance. Because of this I am questioning why I keep trying
> to remain a part of the National Federation of the Blind.
>
> Therefore, I thought it would be beneficial to hear why others are a part
> of
> the NFB, what factors make their experience a positive one rather than a
> negative one, and the strengths of the organization. I thought perhaps this
> would help me identify any positives from my own experience even though it
> is rather negative. I also wanted to see how I might be able to make my
> experience with the NFB a more positive one while trying to prevent someone
> else from having the same negative experience as me.
>
> However, it would appear as though trying to use this more positive
> approach
> has not been all that successful, and I apologize for bringing up such a
> controversial subject on the email list.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam [mailto:kmaent1 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about exactly
> what
> your negative experiences have been, but this makes it difficult for any of
> us to give you constructive answers.
> Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about, we can't
> tell you what we've done differently or point out that we've interacted
> with
> different people or realize that we evaluate certain things as being less
> negative or anything like that.  At least in my case, one difference in our
> experience is probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the
> president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.
> My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have in the
> vast
> majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also primarily a member
> because I support the NFB's advocacy goals, not because I'm looking for
> self-affirmation from leadership.
> That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local mentoring
> program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and my basic mobility
> skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive experience.  As Arielle said,
> it
> is very sad that you, and others, have had negative experiences, and we
> should all work to reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can
> feel comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've had, so
> that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think of many reasons
> you
> might not want to do that, so please don't feel pressured in any way.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent:
> Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> Hello Justin,
>
> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
> organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative?
> Why
> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
> post on such a public email list.
>
> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
> described in your email.
>
> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and
> false
> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world
> in
> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
> lawsuits by the NFB.
>
> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.
>
> I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be
> very
> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
> a time.
>
> Best Wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Dear Elizabeth,
>
>  Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop.
> I
>  think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
>
>  Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>  The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities
> for
> me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a  blind
> person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because  of the 65
> years of work of the National Federation of the Blind.
> I
>  believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton  and
> run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
>  Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
> signature. You can read it if you like.
>  I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have  changed
> my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the  Federation, I
> used
> to wield blindness as a source of pity to get  scholarship money and to
> impress news reporters with the fact that I  would get out of bed every
> morning. At my first NFB event, a state  convention where I was a
> scholarship winner, I was trying to complain  about how hard science was as
> a blind person. Three blind people  surrounded me and started encouraging
> me, telling me that the  Federation would help me get through it. They were
> a chemist, a civil  engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted
> pity,
> but they  wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
> blind  people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
>
>  If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you
> believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative?
>
>  1. Good Mentoring
>  2. Good Blind Role Models
>  3. Learning about leadership
>  4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and  do
> it
> effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7.
> Let's
>  not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national  convention,
> pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
>
>  And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
> National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
>  1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in  the
> good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the  same
> thing.
>  3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty  bad
> mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS  members
> and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and  leaders-could
> have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem  animal in my Native
> American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into  flame and be reborn any
> time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been  able to reinvent myself, but
> a necessary part of that is others'
>  willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is  that
> people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in  our
> movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself.
> It's
>  all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
>  4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true.
> The
>  National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create  obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life  you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>  With much love for my Federation family,
>
>  Justin Salisbury
>
>  Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student  Professional
> Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana  Tech University
>  Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>  Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
>  But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our  heritage
> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>  Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will  pay
> it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the  challenges
> and
>  confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
>  My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>  - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
>  Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
>  To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
>
>  Hello All,
>
>  It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I  am
> already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that  seem to
> keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few  questions to
> spur on some discussion on this email list.
>
>  Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
>  If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you
> believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative?
> And
>  finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
>
>  Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more  to
> being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather  than
> the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer  these
> questions from this point of view as well.
>
>  I look forward to hearing your responses.
>
>  Warm regards,
>  Elizabeth
>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 02:12:21 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:12:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] clicker questions
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It's just not enough time because we have to look up information or do
mathematical calculations, and I do not have time to do that since I
can't skim through things the way others can, and when there are
pictures, they have to be described to me,, so that obviously takes
even more time.


On 1/20/15, Ryan Silveira <ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Anna,
>
> I used the clicker in my music theory class when I was a freshaman.  The
> only piece of advice I can give you is to ask the professor to give a little
> time for you to answer the questions.  My theory professor would read the
> question out loud and then we would enter the answers.  If she didn’t read
> the questions out loud, she would assign someone to quietly read them for
> me.  The main thing is that you should have, say 30 to 45 seconds in between
> each question so that you (and the rest of the class) can enter your
> answers.  Hope this helps.  Let me know if I can help further.
>
>
> Ryan L. Silveira
> חָים אהרן בן אברהם סילביירה
>
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey wonderful people,
>>
>> We are doing clicker questions in my chemistry class and I want to know
>> how other people have done this.  Handling the clicker is fine, its just
>> having time to answer the questions so fast. We are not supposed to see
>> the questions til we get to class and we go over the answers right after
>> we answer the question.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 02:32:56 2015
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 19:32:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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Pearson has been working very actively to make improvements to the accessibility of MyMathLab. If you used it more than two years ago, it is very likely that your experience was very different from what a student using JAWS will experience right now. There is nothing inherent about Math that makes it inaccessible to us. The access issues we have as blind students have nothing to do with the subject matter and everything to do with the format in which it is being presented. It absolutely is possible to make math accessible on the Internet, as well as in the libraries, in the classroom, and elsewhere. We just need more people invested in making the necessary innovations. 

Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
> But access issues are still there.
> Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.
> 
> Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
> uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it inaccessible.
> When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all. What I did was book work for homework instead.
> 
> I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs and figures in math.
> So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance for your homework such as a tutor or reader.
> You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.
> 
> But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do your work.
> A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor such as book problems from the text.
> 
> Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace and schedule, not someone else's.
> Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling conflicts and time constraints.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
> To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
> 
> Hey,
> My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
> it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
> lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
> you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>> On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello NABS,
>> 
>> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has
>> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
>> 
>> Thank you
>> 
>> Tom Brown
>> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
>> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Wed Jan 21 05:45:08 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 05:45:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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	<3922D299-750D-4386-9A99-067CAE37BEBC@gmail.com>
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Thank you for the compliment, Darian.

I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.

I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.

If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!

Sincerely yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Hi all:
 
 Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there’s no reason why we  couldn’t go about the attempt.
 On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
 I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
  I’m interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.

  Darian.           
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
> 
> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
> other bills, too,
> 
> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
> 
> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
> 
> What do people think of this idea?
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Jan 21 05:54:26 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 05:54:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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I have to agree with Jamie (I apologize if it is misspelled, using dictation). When I used it, fulsome master of 2013, it was pretty accessible.
(That should say fall of 2013). 
It had no problem with radio button selections, such as multiple choice; however, it had a little issue with graphing and fill in the blank. Years and is actively attempting to increase excess ability; however, they are a little behind. Last I checked (three months ago), their claim was the site is compatible with jaws 13. 
I'm not a big fan of my math lab; however, it's not the worst regarding accessibility.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Jamie Principato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Pearson has been working very actively to make improvements to the accessibility of MyMathLab. If you used it more than two years ago, it is very likely that your experience was very different from what a student using JAWS will experience right now. There is nothing inherent about Math that makes it inaccessible to us. The access issues we have as blind students have nothing to do with the subject matter and everything to do with the format in which it is being presented. It absolutely is possible to make math accessible on the Internet, as well as in the libraries, in the classroom, and elsewhere. We just need more people invested in making the necessary innovations. 
> 
> Jamie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
>> But access issues are still there.
>> Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.
>> 
>> Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
>> uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it inaccessible.
>> When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all. What I did was book work for homework instead.
>> 
>> I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs and figures in math.
>> So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance for your homework such as a tutor or reader.
>> You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.
>> 
>> But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do your work.
>> A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor such as book problems from the text.
>> 
>> Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace and schedule, not someone else's.
>> Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling conflicts and time constraints.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
>> To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
>> 
>> Hey,
>> My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
>> it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
>> lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
>> you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>>> On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello NABS,
>>> 
>>> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab. Has
>>> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is it?
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
>>> Tom Brown
>>> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
>>> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 06:01:29 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 00:01:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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It was a few years ago that I had to use it, I'm glad they are trying
to make math labs accessible.

On 1/20/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have to agree with Jamie (I apologize if it is misspelled, using
> dictation). When I used it, fulsome master of 2013, it was pretty
> accessible.
> (That should say fall of 2013).
> It had no problem with radio button selections, such as multiple choice;
> however, it had a little issue with graphing and fill in the blank. Years
> and is actively attempting to increase excess ability; however, they are a
> little behind. Last I checked (three months ago), their claim was the site
> is compatible with jaws 13.
> I'm not a big fan of my math lab; however, it's not the worst regarding
> accessibility.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Jamie Principato via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Pearson has been working very actively to make improvements to the
>> accessibility of MyMathLab. If you used it more than two years ago, it is
>> very likely that your experience was very different from what a student
>> using JAWS will experience right now. There is nothing inherent about Math
>> that makes it inaccessible to us. The access issues we have as blind
>> students have nothing to do with the subject matter and everything to do
>> with the format in which it is being presented. It absolutely is possible
>> to make math accessible on the Internet, as well as in the libraries, in
>> the classroom, and elsewhere. We just need more people invested in making
>> the necessary innovations.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
>>> But access issues are still there.
>>> Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.
>>>
>>> Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
>>> uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it
>>> inaccessible.
>>> When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all.
>>> What I did was book work for homework instead.
>>>
>>> I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs
>>> and figures in math.
>>> So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance
>>> for your homework such as a tutor or reader.
>>> You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.
>>>
>>> But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do
>>> your work.
>>> A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor
>>> such as book problems from the text.
>>>
>>> Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace
>>> and schedule, not someone else's.
>>> Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling
>>> conflicts and time constraints.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
>>> To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>> My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
>>> it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
>>> lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
>>> you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>> On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello NABS,
>>>>
>>>> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab.
>>>> Has
>>>> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you
>>>>
>>>> Tom Brown
>>>> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
>>>> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com
>>>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Jan 21 06:02:08 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:02:08 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Hello,
I believe we, here in Nevada (both down in Vegas and up where I'm at, Reno) would highly be interested in participating in a national protest. If possible, can we have a conference call after Washington seminar, to discuss this as a collective whole? I for one, and I believe the rest of the students in Nevada, Will not be attending the seminar; never the less, we are probably all interested (I need to chat with the other officers to make sure before I just volunteered them, probably). 
Awesome idea!
Michael
Secretary, Nevada Association of blind students
Treasure and cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno floss if he club


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
> 
> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
> 
> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
> 
> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there’s no reason why we  couldn’t go about the attempt.
> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
>  I’m interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.
> 
>  Darian.           
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
>> 
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>> other bills, too,
>> 
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
>> 
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
>> 
>> What do people think of this idea?
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
>> Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Wed Jan 21 06:56:06 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:56:06 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Michael,

I love you enthusiasm!  

I know that we can get together and put our heads together on our own accord at any time we want. Back when I was a NABS Board Member, I remember the good feelings and general sense of coordination that came about when the board had an opportunity to comment on topics like this. I don't want to plan any conference calls until I've heard good vibes from more than one officer about it, but I am hopeful that we will all agree to move forward. 

Simply from reading your enthusiasm, you sound like someone I'd love to get to know. Let's try to connect off-list, too.

Take care,

Justin

Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: jms132 at latech.edu
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
- Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael D Ausbun [mailto:mausbun at unr.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:02 AM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Hello,
I believe we, here in Nevada (both down in Vegas and up where I'm at, Reno) would highly be interested in participating in a national protest. If possible, can we have a conference call after Washington seminar, to discuss this as a collective whole? I for one, and I believe the rest of the students in Nevada, Will not be attending the seminar; never the less, we are probably all interested (I need to chat with the other officers to make sure before I just volunteered them, probably). 
Awesome idea!
Michael
Secretary, Nevada Association of blind students Treasure and cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno floss if he club


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
> 
> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
> 
> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
> 
> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there's no reason why we  couldn't go about the attempt.
> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
>  I'm interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.
> 
>  Darian.           
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
>> 
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>> other bills, too,
>> 
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
>> 
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
>> 
>> What do people think of this idea?
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>> Louisiana Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan 21 07:00:09 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:00:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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I do think we should take the pulse of the student leaders at Washington Seminar to gage potential interest. 

Best wishes
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> I love you enthusiasm!  
> 
> I know that we can get together and put our heads together on our own accord at any time we want. Back when I was a NABS Board Member, I remember the good feelings and general sense of coordination that came about when the board had an opportunity to comment on topics like this. I don't want to plan any conference calls until I've heard good vibes from more than one officer about it, but I am hopeful that we will all agree to move forward. 
> 
> Simply from reading your enthusiasm, you sound like someone I'd love to get to know. Let's try to connect off-list, too.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael D Ausbun [mailto:mausbun at unr.edu] 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:02 AM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Hello,
> I believe we, here in Nevada (both down in Vegas and up where I'm at, Reno) would highly be interested in participating in a national protest. If possible, can we have a conference call after Washington seminar, to discuss this as a collective whole? I for one, and I believe the rest of the students in Nevada, Will not be attending the seminar; never the less, we are probably all interested (I need to chat with the other officers to make sure before I just volunteered them, probably). 
> Awesome idea!
> Michael
> Secretary, Nevada Association of blind students Treasure and cofounder, University of Nevada, Reno floss if he club
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
>> 
>> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
>> 
>> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
>> 
>> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!
>> 
>> Sincerely yours,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
>> Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
>> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>> this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there's no reason why we  couldn't go about the attempt.
>> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
>> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
>> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
>> I'm interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.
>> 
>> Darian.           
>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
>>> 
>>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>>> other bills, too,
>>> 
>>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
>>> 
>>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
>>> 
>>> What do people think of this idea?
>>> 
>>> Yours,
>>> 
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>>> Louisiana Tech University
>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>> 
>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 14:38:09 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:38:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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I think this is a great idea, but to comment on Derek's most recent
post, don't forget the student leaders who can't attend Washington
Seminar.  I for one would love to be there, but as I'll be finishing
up week 2 at the end of this week and am taking 20 credits, I simply
would miss too much class.  Of course Washington Seminar is important,
but when taking the pulse of people there don't forget there are a lot
of really strong leaders who for work or school reasons can't be there
as they would like to be.

Backtracking a bit, I think this is a wonderful idea and something I
know I personally would like to be involved in, but I think the
problem will be gathering a significant amount of support.  Derek made
some great points about the problems gathering support.  Ohio's
student division in the past few years is very similar to his
description of the Mas student division, and it is a little daunting
because I know I'm the only (openly) blind person on my campus.  I
know of two other people in the DS system, but they're large print
readers and choose to not associate with blindness organizations
because they don't self-identify that way.  I think there are a lot of
people on campus who would feel like subminimum wages violate the
Catholic Marianist tradition and would lend support, but the
difficulty there that I see would be getting these people who feel far
removed from the issue, and most likely have not heard of it much in
the media, to actually show up to an event and view it as something
inmportant in the midst of their own classes.  I know I could count on
the local chapter and board of the affiliate to lend support, but in
order to make it a successful protest in terms of numbers it would
probably take more than one person to accomplish, at least on a campus
my size or larger with over 10,000 students and one blind person
actively involved in the NFB initiatives.

Like Michael, I think a conference call would be great for figuring
this out.  I'm eager to do it, but I do think the concerns I share
with some others should be addressed to allow a larger number of
students to organize and mobilize protests on their campuses.

On 1/21/15, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I do think we should take the pulse of the student leaders at Washington
> Seminar to gage potential interest.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:56 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I love you enthusiasm!
>>
>> I know that we can get together and put our heads together on our own
>> accord at any time we want. Back when I was a NABS Board Member, I
>> remember the good feelings and general sense of coordination that came
>> about when the board had an opportunity to comment on topics like this. I
>> don't want to plan any conference calls until I've heard good vibes from
>> more than one officer about it, but I am hopeful that we will all agree to
>> move forward.
>>
>> Simply from reading your enthusiasm, you sound like someone I'd love to
>> get to know. Let's try to connect off-list, too.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
>> Graduate Student
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
>> Louisiana Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
>> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
>> sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
>> this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
>> brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
>> and we will finish the journey.
>> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun [mailto:mausbun at unr.edu]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 12:02 AM
>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>
>> Hello,
>> I believe we, here in Nevada (both down in Vegas and up where I'm at,
>> Reno) would highly be interested in participating in a national protest.
>> If possible, can we have a conference call after Washington seminar, to
>> discuss this as a collective whole? I for one, and I believe the rest of
>> the students in Nevada, Will not be attending the seminar; never the less,
>> we are probably all interested (I need to chat with the other officers to
>> make sure before I just volunteered them, probably).
>> Awesome idea!
>> Michael
>> Secretary, Nevada Association of blind students Treasure and cofounder,
>> University of Nevada, Reno floss if he club
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
>>>
>>> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could
>>> get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work,
>>> but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things
>>> that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable
>>> universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student
>>> leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be
>>> willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure
>>> that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who
>>> directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
>>>
>>> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach
>>> just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training.
>>> Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to
>>> the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just
>>> give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are
>>> capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
>>>
>>> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana,
>>> for nine months!
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana
>>> Tech University
>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>>
>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage
>>> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the
>>> sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from
>>> this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and
>>> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My
>>> brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs,
>>> and we will finish the journey.
>>> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
>>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
>>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>>> this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil
>>> rights movements, and today various political associations still employ
>>> similar tactics, so there's no reason why we  couldn't go about the
>>> attempt.
>>> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only
>>> blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that
>>> they are the only blind person  on campus.
>>> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students
>>> would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work,
>>> supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other
>>> students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this
>>> happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students
>>> feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that
>>> job  at a high level.
>>> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always
>>> wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active
>>> enough to do.
>>> I'm interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others
>>> might be on the matter.
>>>
>>> Darian.
>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the
>>>> legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have
>>>> talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS
>>>> membership thinks of it.
>>>>
>>>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it
>>>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet
>>>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest
>>>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our
>>>> other bills, too,
>>>>
>>>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on
>>>> the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help
>>>> us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at
>>>> Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the
>>>> outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers
>>>> with disabilities.
>>>>
>>>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns
>>>> could be amazing.
>>>>
>>>> What do people think of this idea?
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Justin
>>>>
>>>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student
>>>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
>>>> Louisiana Tech University
>>>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>>>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>>>>
>>>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our
>>>> heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
>>>> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay
>>>> it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
>>>> challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only
>>>> an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join
>>>> me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>>>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>>>>
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Kaiti


From rloew at ETS.ORG  Wed Jan 21 15:34:45 2015
From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth C)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:34:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] ETS at DC Seminar
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB13133EA11ACC13F972620459AF480@BN3PR0701MB1313.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi - Many of you know me from NFB events over the past decade or more; I lurk on this listserv.  For those who don't know me, I'm the Assistant Director of the ETS Office of Disability Policy and work on (among other things) accommodations for test takers who are blind or have low vision.  I don't think I'm on the NABS meeting agenda, but I'll be there, and I'll also be around the hotel from Sunday evening through Tuesday afternoon.  In addition, this year my ETS colleague Morgan Murray, who now works with me on blindness issues, will also be at the Seminar on those days.

If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback about accommodations or accessibility for ETS postsecondary tests (GRE, TOEFL, Praxis, TExES, GACE, or HiSET), please feel free to contact us at the Seminar.  We'd be glad to set up a time to meet with you.  My cell phone # is 215-527-7442; Morgan's is 908-256-4787.

Sean, if we're not on the NABS agenda, could you please give us a shout-out from the podium to let students know we're around and interested in meeting them?  Thanks!

Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
Assistant Director
Office of Disability Policy, ETS
phone: 609-683-2984<tel:609-683-2984>
fax: 609-683-2220<tel:609-683-2220>



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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Jan 21 19:22:03 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:22:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?LightHouse_Connect_Series_=96__Read_How?=
	=?windows-1252?q?_You_Want=2C_1/29?=
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D5107D5@email.rrlh-sf.local>

On Thursday, January 29th, LightHouse for the Blind is hosting the first in a series of workshops covering hot topics that will “connect” you to a variety of resources, skills and the latest trends in the blindness field.
Our first LightHouse Connect workshop, “Read How You Want,” will cover both low and high-tech ways of reading, from how to read your local newspaper to navigating your iPad so you can spend those iTunes dollars you received for the holidays. But it’s not just about information. Each Lighthouse Connect workshop will include, free of charge, a light dinner and the chance to meet with fellow inquisitive blind community members and their supporters.
When: Thursday, January 29, 3:00 to 5:00 p.m.

Where: LightHouse Headquarters, 214 Van Ness Avenue, San Francisco

Enjoy this networking mixer with light dinner to follow with opportunities to get your hands on the different products presented.
For more information or to RSVP for this free series, please contact Information and Resource Specialist Beth Berenson at bberenson at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:bberenson at lighthouse-sf.org> or 415-694-7322.



From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan 21 19:39:31 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:39:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ETS at DC Seminar
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Hello Ruth, my name is Derek Manners. I'm on the NABS board and am currently an intern at NFB legal for a few more days. We are putting a higher ed toolkit together and one of the subjects is high-stakes testing. We have a section on the College Board with contact info, process for getting accommodations, suggestions on how to go about the process (e.g. start the process early) etc.  

There's a letter Jill Green wrote for the College Board that outlines this stuff nicely and I'm wondering if you guys have something we can cite to and largely borrow from for ETS?  If it is just the general website, that's fine and I can do that but just thought I'd give you the chance to give us something better if it exists. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Loew, Ruth C via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi - Many of you know me from NFB events over the past decade or more; I lurk on this listserv.  For those who don't know me, I'm the Assistant Director of the ETS Office of Disability Policy and work on (among other things) accommodations for test takers who are blind or have low vision.  I don't think I'm on the NABS meeting agenda, but I'll be there, and I'll also be around the hotel from Sunday evening through Tuesday afternoon.  In addition, this year my ETS colleague Morgan Murray, who now works with me on blindness issues, will also be at the Seminar on those days.
> 
> If you have any questions, concerns, or feedback about accommodations or accessibility for ETS postsecondary tests (GRE, TOEFL, Praxis, TExES, GACE, or HiSET), please feel free to contact us at the Seminar.  We'd be glad to set up a time to meet with you.  My cell phone # is 215-527-7442; Morgan's is 908-256-4787.
> 
> Sean, if we're not on the NABS agenda, could you please give us a shout-out from the podium to let students know we're around and interested in meeting them?  Thanks!
> 
> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
> Assistant Director
> Office of Disability Policy, ETS
> phone: 609-683-2984<tel:609-683-2984>
> fax: 609-683-2220<tel:609-683-2220>
> 
> 
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From alexandera.castillo at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 20:24:58 2015
From: alexandera.castillo at gmail.com (Alexander Castillo)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:24:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fellowship opportunity
Message-ID: <039101d035b8$53c55400$fb4ffc00$@gmail.com>

Hi all, since some of you will be in DC this upcoming week, it might be a
good fit to check out the following opportunity. The ideal person would be
someone interested in policy and disability. 

 

Thanks for reading,

Alex 

 

 

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From royal.shakita at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 21:34:09 2015
From: royal.shakita at gmail.com (Shakita)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:34:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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When I used my math lab in 2013, it was okay. I wouldn't say that it was  very accessible though. But the multiple-choice worked better than the fill in the blank questions. The only part that I needed sighted assistance  for, was the graphs and figures.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It was a few years ago that I had to use it, I'm glad they are trying
> to make math labs accessible.
> 
>> On 1/20/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I have to agree with Jamie (I apologize if it is misspelled, using
>> dictation). When I used it, fulsome master of 2013, it was pretty
>> accessible.
>> (That should say fall of 2013).
>> It had no problem with radio button selections, such as multiple choice;
>> however, it had a little issue with graphing and fill in the blank. Years
>> and is actively attempting to increase excess ability; however, they are a
>> little behind. Last I checked (three months ago), their claim was the site
>> is compatible with jaws 13.
>> I'm not a big fan of my math lab; however, it's not the worst regarding
>> accessibility.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Jamie Principato via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Pearson has been working very actively to make improvements to the
>>> accessibility of MyMathLab. If you used it more than two years ago, it is
>>> very likely that your experience was very different from what a student
>>> using JAWS will experience right now. There is nothing inherent about Math
>>> that makes it inaccessible to us. The access issues we have as blind
>>> students have nothing to do with the subject matter and everything to do
>>> with the format in which it is being presented. It absolutely is possible
>>> to make math accessible on the Internet, as well as in the libraries, in
>>> the classroom, and elsewhere. We just need more people invested in making
>>> the necessary innovations.
>>> 
>>> Jamie
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
>>>> But access issues are still there.
>>>> Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.
>>>> 
>>>> Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
>>>> uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it
>>>> inaccessible.
>>>> When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all.
>>>> What I did was book work for homework instead.
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs
>>>> and figures in math.
>>>> So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance
>>>> for your homework such as a tutor or reader.
>>>> You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.
>>>> 
>>>> But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do
>>>> your work.
>>>> A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor
>>>> such as book problems from the text.
>>>> 
>>>> Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace
>>>> and schedule, not someone else's.
>>>> Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling
>>>> conflicts and time constraints.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH,
>>>> 
>>>> Ashley
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
>>>> To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
>>>> 
>>>> Hey,
>>>> My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
>>>> it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
>>>> lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
>>>> you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>>> On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello NABS,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab.
>>>>> Has
>>>>> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is
>>>>> it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom Brown
>>>>> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From royal.shakita at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 21:50:22 2015
From: royal.shakita at gmail.com (Shakita)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:50:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft visual studio
Message-ID: <D2FECCC3-0B91-40D7-A102-63650D6D1F01@gmail.com>

Hello everyone I am taking a visual basic class. Has anyone taken that class? If so, did you use visual Studio 2012? If so, how did jaws work with that? It did not work that well with me. So my instructor told me to use visual studio 2010. Does that work with jaws? If not, could you let me know what you had to do as an alternative? Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Wed Jan 21 22:13:12 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:13:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft visual studio
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Hello:
Visual studio 2012 works great with jaws 14 and above. 2013 with jaws
15 and 16.
HTH,

On 1/21/2015 4:50 PM, Shakita via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello everyone I am taking a visual basic class. Has anyone taken
> that class? If so, did you use visual Studio 2012? If so, how did
> jaws work with that? It did not work that well with me. So my
> instructor told me to use visual studio 2010. Does that work with
> jaws? If not, could you let me know what you had to do as an
> alternative? Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 21 23:55:04 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:55:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
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Elizabeth,
	Please do feel free to reach out to me off list. I am currently a sophomore undergrad at Wake Forest University in North Carolina. Though I have not had a negative experience, I would love to explore the reasoning behind yours and hopefully put you in touch with uplifting and encouraging leaders in our movement.
It is exceedingly unfortunate that you have faced such difficulties, and I am ready to tackle them, not just among the students.
My email address is kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com
Please do contact me if you are interested in further exploring this.
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
Treasurer | Connecticut Association of Blind Students
Board Member | The Science and Engineering Division
(Coordinator | Connecticut BELL Program
Executive Editor | The Federationist Newsletter
203) 273-8463
kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Carl,
> 
> I was trying to frame my questions in a more positive way because continuing
> to focus on the negative only seems to upset me and create more negativity.
> I have shared bits and pieces of my specific experience with a number of
> individuals privately, and sharing these specifics of my personal experience
> with others has never really done anything to answer the question as to why
> I am treated so poorly within the National Federation of the Blind. 
> 
> As I have already stated, my overall experience within the NFB has been
> marked with harsh criticism and rejection rather than encouragement,
> support, and acceptance. Because of this I am questioning why I keep trying
> to remain a part of the National Federation of the Blind. 
> 
> Therefore, I thought it would be beneficial to hear why others are a part of
> the NFB, what factors make their experience a positive one rather than a
> negative one, and the strengths of the organization. I thought perhaps this
> would help me identify any positives from my own experience even though it
> is rather negative. I also wanted to see how I might be able to make my
> experience with the NFB a more positive one while trying to prevent someone
> else from having the same negative experience as me.
> 
> However, it would appear as though trying to use this more positive approach
> has not been all that successful, and I apologize for bringing up such a
> controversial subject on the email list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam [mailto:kmaent1 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:01 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about exactly what
> your negative experiences have been, but this makes it difficult for any of
> us to give you constructive answers.  
> Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about, we can't
> tell you what we've done differently or point out that we've interacted with
> different people or realize that we evaluate certain things as being less
> negative or anything like that.  At least in my case, one difference in our
> experience is probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the
> president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.  
> My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have in the vast
> majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also primarily a member
> because I support the NFB's advocacy goals, not because I'm looking for
> self-affirmation from leadership.  
> That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local mentoring
> program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and my basic mobility
> skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive experience.  As Arielle said, it
> is very sad that you, and others, have had negative experiences, and we
> should all work to reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can
> feel comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've had, so
> that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think of many reasons you
> might not want to do that, so please don't feel pressured in any way.
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent:
> Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> Hello Justin,
> 
> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the
> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same
> organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of
> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this email.
> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your overall
> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative? Why
> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to
> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from
> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more
> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to
> post on such a public email list.
> 
> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders on
> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with
> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the
> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,
> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the
> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter leaders,
> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have
> described in your email.
> 
> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some
> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have
> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what
> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the Blind?
> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and false
> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that
> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions
> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than
> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National
> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners, Derek
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the
> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to make
> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.
> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard
> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to
> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people
> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and
> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also
> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world in
> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,
> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,
> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by
> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of
> lawsuits by the NFB.
> 
> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind
> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that much
> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.
> 
> I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be very
> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your
> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a
> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president at
> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months at
> a time.
> 
> Best Wishes
> Derek Manners
> 
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Elizabeth,
> 
> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my
> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. 
> I
> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.
> 
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities  for
> me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a  blind
> person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because  of the 65
> years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. 
> I
> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will
> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton  and
> run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.
> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email
> signature. You can read it if you like.
> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have  changed
> my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the  Federation, I used
> to wield blindness as a source of pity to get  scholarship money and to
> impress news reporters with the fact that I  would get out of bed every
> morning. At my first NFB event, a state  convention where I was a
> scholarship winner, I was trying to complain  about how hard science was as
> a blind person. Three blind people  surrounded me and started encouraging
> me, telling me that the  Federation would help me get through it. They were
> a chemist, a civil  engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted pity,
> but they  wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000
> blind  people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have
> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives
> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.
> 
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative?
> 
> 1. Good Mentoring
> 2. Good Blind Role Models
> 3. Learning about leadership
> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the
> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and  do it
> effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. 
> Let's
> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national  convention,
> pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!
> 
> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the  National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
> 
> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our
> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in  the
> good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the  same
> thing.
> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty  bad
> mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS  members
> and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and  leaders-could
> have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem  animal in my Native
> American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into  flame and be reborn any
> time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been  able to reinvent myself, but
> a necessary part of that is others'
> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is  that
> people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in  our
> movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. 
> It's
> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?
> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. 
> The
> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create  obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life  you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> With much love for my Federation family,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student  Professional
> Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana  Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our  heritage
> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.
> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will  pay
> it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the  challenges
> and
> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.
> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the
> stairs, and we will finish the journey.
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened
> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I  am
> already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that  seem to
> keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few  questions to
> spur on some discussion on this email list.
> 
> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?
> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind
> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you believe
> makes your experience positive rather than negative? 
> And
> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National
> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?
> 
> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other
> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more  to
> being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather  than
> the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer  these
> questions from this point of view as well.
> 
> I look forward to hearing your responses.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:06:40 2015
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 20:06:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tips on Ice Skating with Sighted Peers?
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Hi Miso, I don't know if this is useful info, since you probably already
went skating. If it were me, I would just talk with my friends so they're
aware, but also so they know how I'd prefer they handle it (like maybe I
don't want them to think they have to be constantly looking out for me, or
maybe on the other hand, I might want to pair-skate, I wouldn't say there's
a right way, as long as it's the way you prefer and your friends understand
that). the cane may work well on the ice, if mainly so others are aware,
hopefully nobody takes that as an invitation to a 'grab and guide', but
life is all about doing fulfilling things despite reasonable risks.
You may want to ask the sports and recreation division, I'm sure there are
members who skate a lot.
here's their website: http://nfbsportsandrec.org/
they have a listserv, I think you can post a message as non member, after
the moderator reviews it, (and it should email any "re-subject" answers
back to you), or you can peruse their archives:
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/sportsandrec_nfbnet.org

-Glenn Moore III
State Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"

On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:43 AM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi, I am writing to seek any tips on ice skating with sighted peers.
> I have experience of ice skating previously, but it has been at least 5
> years since the last time I went.
> Also all of my previous skating experience happened with my family which
> meant that my mom was mostly watching out for me. I skated using very
> little vision I have along the perimeter of the rink without my cane.
> A circle of friends I am part of decided to go to ice skating this weekend
> which I paln to go as well. I am the only blind person in the crowd and not
> sure how accessible the rink we are going to is.
> Since I am with my peers who would not be responsible for my safety in the
> rink I want to make sure that I take the necessary steps to ensure my
> safety while skating.
> Should i bring my cane with me onto the ice?
> Any other tips?
> Thank you in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From tbrown.brl at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 02:09:21 2015
From: tbrown.brl at gmail.com (Tom Brown)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 21:09:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
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Thanks everyone for your input. 

Tom Brown
Pres. Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania


> On Jan 21, 2015, at 4:34 PM, Shakita via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When I used my math lab in 2013, it was okay. I wouldn't say that it was  very accessible though. But the multiple-choice worked better than the fill in the blank questions. The only part that I needed sighted assistance  for, was the graphs and figures.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:01 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It was a few years ago that I had to use it, I'm glad they are trying
>> to make math labs accessible.
>> 
>>> On 1/20/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I have to agree with Jamie (I apologize if it is misspelled, using
>>> dictation). When I used it, fulsome master of 2013, it was pretty
>>> accessible.
>>> (That should say fall of 2013).
>>> It had no problem with radio button selections, such as multiple choice;
>>> however, it had a little issue with graphing and fill in the blank. Years
>>> and is actively attempting to increase excess ability; however, they are a
>>> little behind. Last I checked (three months ago), their claim was the site
>>> is compatible with jaws 13.
>>> I'm not a big fan of my math lab; however, it's not the worst regarding
>>> accessibility.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:33 PM, Jamie Principato via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Pearson has been working very actively to make improvements to the
>>>> accessibility of MyMathLab. If you used it more than two years ago, it is
>>>> very likely that your experience was very different from what a student
>>>> using JAWS will experience right now. There is nothing inherent about Math
>>>> that makes it inaccessible to us. The access issues we have as blind
>>>> students have nothing to do with the subject matter and everything to do
>>>> with the format in which it is being presented. It absolutely is possible
>>>> to make math accessible on the Internet, as well as in the libraries, in
>>>> the classroom, and elsewhere. We just need more people invested in making
>>>> the necessary innovations.
>>>> 
>>>> Jamie
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm surprised you said that. As others said, my math lab is improving.
>>>>> But access issues are still there.
>>>>> Shikha, I do not know how you gwoked MML when most of us cannot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Its my understanding when I last researched this that my math lab still
>>>>> uses adobe flash. This software which has changing pictures makes it
>>>>> inaccessible.
>>>>> When I tried to use it several years ago, it was not accessible at all.
>>>>> What I did was book work for homework instead.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I doubt it will be accessible also because its math and you have graphs
>>>>> and figures in math.
>>>>> So if you have to use MML, I'd  suggest you seek out sighted assistance
>>>>> for your homework such as a tutor or reader.
>>>>> You will need sighted assistance to fill in the boxes and answers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But, I don't think you should have to employ a sighted assistant to do
>>>>> your work.
>>>>> A better approach might be to find an alternative with  your professor
>>>>> such as book problems from the text.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doing your work independently will enable you to do it at your own pace
>>>>> and schedule, not someone else's.
>>>>> Believe me, I've used readers a lot and know the pitfalls of scheduling
>>>>> conflicts and time constraints.
>>>>> 
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Shikha Desai via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 7:32 PM
>>>>> To: Tom Brown ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] My Math Lab & JAWS
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>> My name is Shikha and I am from Georgia.  I have used my math lab and
>>>>> it is positively and 100 percent accessable with JAWS.  I used my math
>>>>> lab for college algrebra and it is wonderfully great with JAWS.  All
>>>>> you have to do is press down arrows on the page, use tab, and enter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 1/20/15, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hello NABS,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am taking a college math course which requires the use of My Math Lab.
>>>>>> Has
>>>>>> anyone ever used this program with JAWS, and if so, how accessible is
>>>>>> it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tom Brown
>>>>>> President Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Board member National Federation of the Blind of Pennsylvania
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 06:01:24 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 22:01:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
In-Reply-To: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
References: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
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It At 12:52 PM 1/20/2015, Sophie Trist wrote:
>OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker 
><bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
>
>Morning, Bridget,
>
>         I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
>high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
>sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
>regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
>meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
>Keep us posted?
>Car
>Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
>specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
>your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
>documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
>the future.
>
>Best wishes
>Derek
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
>very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
>lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
>it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
>EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
>very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
>sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
>morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
>I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
>Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
>quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
>have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
>but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
>Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
>has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
>you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
>you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
>Any advice is appreciated.
>Bridget
>
>Sent from my iPad
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 07:15:21 2015
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 00:15:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
In-Reply-To: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
References: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3ECE113E-BFE9-49D6-ADF4-E130C9527F7B@gmail.com>

It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under a doctor's advice. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
> 
> Morning, Bridget,
> 
>        I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
> high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
> sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
> regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
> meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
> Keep us posted?
> Car
> Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
> specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
> your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
> documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
> the future.
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
> very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
> lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
> it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
> EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
> very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
> sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
> morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
> I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
> Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
> quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
> have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
> but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
> has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
> you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
> you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> Any advice is appreciated.
> Bridget
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 22 07:29:02 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 01:29:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
In-Reply-To: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
References: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000012966324@mailfront2.g2host.com>

It is legal, for medical purposes, in a bunch of states.

Dave

At 02:52 PM 1/20/2015, you wrote:
>OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker 
><bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
>
>Morning, Bridget,
>
>         I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
>high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
>sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
>regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
>meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
>Keep us posted?
>Car
>Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
>specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
>your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
>documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
>the future.
>
>Best wishes
>Derek
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
>very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
>lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
>it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
>EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
>very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
>sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
>morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
>I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
>Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
>quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
>have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
>but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
>Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
>has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
>you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
>you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
>Any advice is appreciated.
>Bridget

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 13:39:07 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 05:39:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
In-Reply-To: <3ECE113E-BFE9-49D6-ADF4-E130C9527F7B@gmail.com>
References: <54bec041.2f7eb60a.25a3.6614@mx.google.com>
	<3ECE113E-BFE9-49D6-ADF4-E130C9527F7B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.195.1772982280.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Jamie,

We would never advocate anything else now, would we?

Have a special day, Jamie!
Car11:15 PM 1/21/2015, you wrote:
>It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like 
>this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting 
>non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under 
>a doctor's advice.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National 
> Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker 
> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
> >
> > Morning, Bridget,
> >
> >        I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
> > high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
> > sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
> > regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
> > meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
> > Keep us posted?
> > Car
> > Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
> > specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
> > your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
> > documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
> > the future.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
> > very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
> > lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
> > it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
> > EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
> > very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
> > sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
> > morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
> > I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
> > Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
> > quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
> > have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
> > but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> > Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
> > has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
> > you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
> > you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> > Any advice is appreciated.
> > Bridget
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 20:10:26 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:10:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
Message-ID: <54c1594a.05a9ca0a.3a92.ffff9ca3@mx.google.com>

Dear Students

I'd like to give you all an update on my independence.  Yesterday 
I found my way out of the Communications building at UCF on my 
own.  Today I cleaned my bathroom counter using wet wipes without 
assistance from anyone.  This is another small step towards 
improving my independence.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 21:29:20 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:29:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
Message-ID: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com>

Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts 
student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida 
student division?


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 21:36:15 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:36:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com>
References: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <47B90AFC-CABD-4A90-B562-D8EDAB743C3A@gmail.com>

One can subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com web site.
Feel free to join :)


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida student division?
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 22 21:38:54 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 16:38:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Actually, the site for joining or dropping NFB mailing lists is 
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> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> One can subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com web site.
> Feel free to join :)
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> 
>> Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida student division?
>> 
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 03:07:38 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:07:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
Message-ID: <8D204D0E119FCF3-1C04-3D286@webmail-m239.sysops.aol.com>

Hi NABS,
I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are 
formated as jpg image files on the web.
Here is a sample link.
http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/doc/manifest/2041/40106
This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from 
the 19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
)
I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for 
History of Deaf Community in America class.
The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are 
looking at different altermnative options but I would love to know if 
there is any way I could access the texts found on this website such as 
the sample link I provided above.
Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize 
texts?
If so how would I be able to do it?
Any other suggestions are welcome.
Miso Kwak




From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 03:17:35 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 22:17:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for being
able to be made accessible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?

Hi NABS,
I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are formated
as jpg image files on the web.
Here is a sample link.
http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/doc/manifes
t/2041/40106
This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from the
19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
)
I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for History
of Deaf Community in America class.
The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are looking
at different altermnative options but I would love to know if there is any
way I could access the texts found on this website such as the sample link I
provided above.
Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize texts?
If so how would I be able to do it?
Any other suggestions are welcome.
Miso Kwak



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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 04:35:05 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:35:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty handy
quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a
little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak
out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)

On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for being
> able to be made accessible.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>
> Hi NABS,
> I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are
> formated
> as jpg image files on the web.
> Here is a sample link.
> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/doc/manifes
> t/2041/40106
> This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from the
> 19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
> http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
> )
> I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for History
> of Deaf Community in America class.
> The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are
> looking
> at different altermnative options but I would love to know if there is any
> way I could access the texts found on this website such as the sample link
> I
> provided above.
> Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize texts?
> If so how would I be able to do it?
> Any other suggestions are welcome.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Fri Jan 23 04:38:50 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual doesn't have the latest version of jaws with the new document OCR). 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty handy
> quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a
> little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak
> out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
> 
>> On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for being
>> able to be made accessible.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>> 
>> Hi NABS,
>> I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are
>> formated
>> as jpg image files on the web.
>> Here is a sample link.
>> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/doc/manifes
>> t/2041/40106
>> This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from the
>> 19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
>> http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>> )
>> I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for History
>> of Deaf Community in America class.
>> The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are
>> looking
>> at different altermnative options but I would love to know if there is any
>> way I could access the texts found on this website such as the sample link
>> I
>> provided above.
>> Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize texts?
>> If so how would I be able to do it?
>> Any other suggestions are welcome.
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Fri Jan 23 04:52:15 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 20:52:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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It's NOT "Official" IN the EYES of the FEDS (i.e., Federal Law).

Federal Law overrules State Laws (i.e., JimCrow Laws)

Just Saying
At 11:15 PM 1/21/2015, you wrote:
>It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like 
>this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting 
>non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under 
>a doctor's advice.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National 
> Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker 
> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
> >
> > Morning, Bridget,
> >
> >        I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
> > high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
> > sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
> > regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
> > meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
> > Keep us posted?
> > Car
> > Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
> > specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
> > your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
> > documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
> > the future.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Derek
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
> > very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
> > lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
> > it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
> > EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
> > very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
> > sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
> > morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
> > I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
> > Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
> > quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
> > have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
> > but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> > Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
> > has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
> > you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
> > you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> > Any advice is appreciated.
> > Bridget
> >
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 04:52:11 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:52:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
Message-ID: <54c1d3b2.8142320a.28f3.0449@mx.google.com>

Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly 
inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can 
either upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to 
convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file 
type you want it converted to in the subject line.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National 
Association ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?

I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo 
braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images 
instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual 
doesn't have the latest version of jaws with the new document 
OCR).

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty 
handy
 quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take 
a
 little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't 
freak
 out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)

 On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there 
for being
 able to be made accessible.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Miso Kwak via
 nabs-l
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?

 Hi NABS,
 I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that 
are
 formated
 as jpg image files on the web.
 Here is a sample link.
 
http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
doc/manifes
 t/2041/40106
 This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper 
from the
 19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
 http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
 )
 I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment 
for History
 of Deaf Community in America class.
 The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we 
are
 looking
 at different altermnative options but I would love to know if 
there is any
 way I could access the texts found on this website such as the 
sample link
 I
 provided above.
 Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and 
recognize texts?
 If so how would I be able to do it?
 Any other suggestions are welcome.
 Miso Kwak



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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 05:16:08 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:16:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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Hi all. This is starting to meander into the off-topic zone. To bring
it back on track: I've noticed that the non-24 sleep disorder
diagnosis is getting a lot of hype lately. I do believe there are some
blind people who genuinely have it. However, there are other medical
reasons for falling asleep at inappropriate times or having trouble
sleeping at night. In particular, the migraine disorder itself could
be messing with your sleep rhythms in unpredictable ways. I'd
encourage you to get a full investigation done and make sure the
doctor isn't just presuming you have non-24because you are blind.
Also, I've done a bit of reading about non-24, and it's not just
random trouble sleeping. It's a very specific condition in which the
time when you feel sleepy will shift a half-hour to an hour ahead each
night until it resets. So you might feel appropriately tired at eleven
one night, then find you are staying up later and later until a couple
weeks later you aren't sleepy until the morning. If you suspect
non-24, perhaps keep a sleep journal for a while to look for patterns.
And, plenty of healthy people, including sighted people, experience
insomnia and daytime fatigue just because of stress. I find nighttime
routines to be very important especially staying out of my bedroom
until it is time to go to bed.
Best, Arielle

On 1/22/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It's NOT "Official" IN the EYES of the FEDS (i.e., Federal Law).
>
> Federal Law overrules State Laws (i.e., JimCrow Laws)
>
> Just Saying
> At 11:15 PM 1/21/2015, you wrote:
>>It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like
>>this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting
>>non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under
>>a doctor's advice.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National
>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker
>> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
>> >
>> > Morning, Bridget,
>> >
>> >        I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
>> > high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
>> > sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
>> > regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
>> > meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
>> > Keep us posted?
>> > Car
>> > Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
>> > specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
>> > your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
>> > documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
>> > the future.
>> >
>> > Best wishes
>> > Derek
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
>> > very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
>> > lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
>> > it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
>> > EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
>> > very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
>> > sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
>> > morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
>> > I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
>> > Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
>> > quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
>> > have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
>> > but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
>> > Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
>> > has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
>> > you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
>> > you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
>> > Any advice is appreciated.
>> > Bridget
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPad
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 06:27:18 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:27:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Hey Justin,
I personally think this is an excellent idea.  Although we haven't discussed it, I believe that we in Colorado would be interested.  I too am concerned about the support issue. As CABS seems to be struggling right now, I don't know how it would go.  But at the very least, I will say that I think it is a good idea.  
I agree that having a call about it sometime in the future would be nice.
Although I have concerns, I agree with your point that we must try to do even what we don't believe we can do.
I will mention this idea to the rest of my board and see what they have to say.
Great work, as always.

Anna E Givens

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 10:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
> 
> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
> 
> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
> 
> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there’s no reason why we  couldn’t go about the attempt.
> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
>  I’m interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.
> 
>  Darian.           
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
>> 
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>> other bills, too,
>> 
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
>> 
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
>> 
>> What do people think of this idea?
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
>> Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Jan 23 09:05:48 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 04:05:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteers for washington seminar
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Hello NABSters, we may need volunteers to help us man the NABS cafe at washington seminar. Will you be in DC next week and free Monday night? Can you help make this a successful event?  Email me off list and let me know you want to help. We already have several volunteers so we may not need anyone so there's no guarantee you'll need to work but the offer will be greatly appreciated. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners 


From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 09:22:41 2015
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 09:22:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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Hello,
Do you have to live in America to use this service?

Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 1/23/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly
> inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can
> either upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to
> convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file
> type you want it converted to in the subject line.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National
> Association ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>
> I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo
> braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images
> instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual
> doesn't have the latest version of jaws with the new document
> OCR).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty
> handy
>  quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take
> a
>  little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't
> freak
>  out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
>
>  On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there
> for being
>  able to be made accessible.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Miso Kwak via
>  nabs-l
>  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>
>  Hi NABS,
>  I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that
> are
>  formated
>  as jpg image files on the web.
>  Here is a sample link.
>
> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
> doc/manifes
>  t/2041/40106
>  This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper
> from the
>  19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
>  http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>  )
>  I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment
> for History
>  of Deaf Community in America class.
>  The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we
> are
>  looking
>  at different altermnative options but I would love to know if
> there is any
>  way I could access the texts found on this website such as the
> sample link
>  I
>  provided above.
>  Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and
> recognize texts?
>  If so how would I be able to do it?
>  Any other suggestions are welcome.
>  Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 11:45:33 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 06:45:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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I don't see why you would; go on and try it.

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:23 AM
To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?

Hello,
Do you have to live in America to use this service?

Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 1/23/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly
> inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can either 
> upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to 
> convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file type 
> you want it converted to in the subject line.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National Association 
> ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 23 
> Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>
> I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo 
> braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images 
> instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual doesn't 
> have the latest version of jaws with the new document OCR).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty handy  
> quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a  
> little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak  
> out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
>
>  On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for 
> being  able to be made accessible.
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso 
> Kwak via  nabs-l
>  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>  To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>
>  Hi NABS,
>  I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are  
> formated  as jpg image files on the web.
>  Here is a sample link.
>
> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
> doc/manifes
>  t/2041/40106
>  This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from 
> the  19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
>  http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>  )
>  I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for 
> History  of Deaf Community in America class.
>  The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are  
> looking  at different altermnative options but I would love to know if 
> there is any  way I could access the texts found on this website such 
> as the sample link  I  provided above.
>  Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize 
> texts?
>  If so how would I be able to do it?
>  Any other suggestions are welcome.
>  Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 12:34:41 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 07:34:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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You don't—it was developed in Europe and is used around the world. In fact, I learned about the service from a blind person in Australia.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:45 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't see why you would; go on and try it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:23 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
> 
> Hello,
> Do you have to live in America to use this service?
> 
> Very best wishes,
> Sandra.
> 
>> On 1/23/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly
>> inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can either 
>> upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to 
>> convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file type 
>> you want it converted to in the subject line.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National Association 
>> ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 23 
>> Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>> 
>> I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo 
>> braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images 
>> instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual doesn't 
>> have the latest version of jaws with the new document OCR).
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty handy  
>> quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a  
>> little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak  
>> out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
>> 
>> On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for 
>> being  able to be made accessible.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso 
>> Kwak via  nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>> 
>> Hi NABS,
>> I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are  
>> formated  as jpg image files on the web.
>> Here is a sample link.
>> 
>> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
>> doc/manifes
>> t/2041/40106
>> This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from 
>> the  19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
>> http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>> )
>> I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for 
>> History  of Deaf Community in America class.
>> The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are  
>> looking  at different altermnative options but I would love to know if 
>> there is any  way I could access the texts found on this website such 
>> as the sample link  I  provided above.
>> Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize 
>> texts?
>> If so how would I be able to do it?
>> Any other suggestions are welcome.
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Jan 23 13:11:42 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 08:11:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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Massachusetts has a listserv that we are working to get up and running. But Precious Perez and I have an interim list where we send out information regarding Massachusetts stuff. So if you want the good stuff, you have to contact us or the MA president, Amy Ruell. This is especially important since we have state convention coming up next month and the deadline to register is next week

Best wishes
Derek Manners

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> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Actually, the site for joining or dropping NFB mailing lists is 
> nfbnet.org <http://nfbnet.org/> 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users 
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 
> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio 
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. 
> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb 
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> One can subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com web site.
>> Feel free to join :)
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida student division?
>>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 14:45:36 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 09:45:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
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I believe the headquarters for the organization is in Norway as well.
It should be accessible to you whereever you are.

This is how good it is; I had a prof email me hand-outs for class the
other day, but in her effort to get them to me in advance she forgot
to make sure the pdfs weren't images.  I was able to email them to
robobraille and get MS Word files back in enough time to use them in
class.  It's really a great thing!

On 1/23/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You don't--it was developed in Europe and is used around the world. In fact,
> I learned about the service from a blind person in Australia.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:45 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see why you would; go on and try it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:23 AM
>> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>
>> Hello,
>> Do you have to live in America to use this service?
>>
>> Very best wishes,
>> Sandra.
>>
>>> On 1/23/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly
>>> inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can either
>>> upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to
>>> convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file type
>>> you want it converted to in the subject line.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National Association
>>> ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 23
>>> Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>>
>>> I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo
>>> braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images
>>> instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual doesn't
>>> have the latest version of jaws with the new document OCR).
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty handy
>>> quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a
>>> little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak
>>> out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
>>>
>>> On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for
>>> being  able to be made accessible.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>> Kwak via  nabs-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>>
>>> Hi NABS,
>>> I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are
>>> formated  as jpg image files on the web.
>>> Here is a sample link.
>>>
>>> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
>>> doc/manifes
>>> t/2041/40106
>>> This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from
>>> the  19th century and the early 20th century (home page found here...
>>> http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>>> )
>>> I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for
>>> History  of Deaf Community in America class.
>>> The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are
>>> looking  at different altermnative options but I would love to know if
>>> there is any  way I could access the texts found on this website such
>>> as the sample link  I  provided above.
>>> Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize
>>> texts?
>>> If so how would I be able to do it?
>>> Any other suggestions are welcome.
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 19:24:01 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:24:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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This doctor has been treating my migraines from the time I was sixteen. We were unaware of my sleep patterns until I had an ambulatory EEG to rule out seizures. He could track my sleep patterns from that and said I really needed to readjust my sleep pattern. He put me on melatonin.
This was not a go I saw this on the news yesterday I am treating someone who is blind with migraines she must have non 24. I never thought I would get that diagnosis but, guess what.
 

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> On Jan 23, 27 Heisei, at 12:16 AM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. This is starting to meander into the off-topic zone. To bring
> it back on track: I've noticed that the non-24 sleep disorder
> diagnosis is getting a lot of hype lately. I do believe there are some
> blind people who genuinely have it. However, there are other medical
> reasons for falling asleep at inappropriate times or having trouble
> sleeping at night. In particular, the migraine disorder itself could
> be messing with your sleep rhythms in unpredictable ways. I'd
> encourage you to get a full investigation done and make sure the
> doctor isn't just presuming you have non-24because you are blind.
> Also, I've done a bit of reading about non-24, and it's not just
> random trouble sleeping. It's a very specific condition in which the
> time when you feel sleepy will shift a half-hour to an hour ahead each
> night until it resets. So you might feel appropriately tired at eleven
> one night, then find you are staying up later and later until a couple
> weeks later you aren't sleepy until the morning. If you suspect
> non-24, perhaps keep a sleep journal for a while to look for patterns.
> And, plenty of healthy people, including sighted people, experience
> insomnia and daytime fatigue just because of stress. I find nighttime
> routines to be very important especially staying out of my bedroom
> until it is time to go to bed.
> Best, Arielle
> 
>> On 1/22/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It's NOT "Official" IN the EYES of the FEDS (i.e., Federal Law).
>> 
>> Federal Law overrules State Laws (i.e., JimCrow Laws)
>> 
>> Just Saying
>> At 11:15 PM 1/21/2015, you wrote:
>>> It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like
>>> this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting
>>> non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under
>>> a doctor's advice.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National
>>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker
>>> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students
>>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
>>>> 
>>>> Morning, Bridget,
>>>> 
>>>>       I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
>>>> high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
>>>> sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
>>>> regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
>>>> meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
>>>> Keep us posted?
>>>> Car
>>>> Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
>>>> specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
>>>> your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
>>>> documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
>>>> the future.
>>>> 
>>>> Best wishes
>>>> Derek
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
>>>> very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
>>>> lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
>>>> it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
>>>> EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
>>>> very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
>>>> sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
>>>> morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
>>>> I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
>>>> Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
>>>> quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
>>>> have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
>>>> but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
>>>> Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
>>>> has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
>>>> you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
>>>> you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
>>>> Any advice is appreciated.
>>>> Bridget
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 23:12:15 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:12:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] support and a movie
Message-ID: <01fa01d03762$07417f40$15c47dc0$@com>

I do not know if anyone has gotten my last email (except if you are on
Facebook then you have) but it appears I am to be going to ICRE Wood in
February. For all of the blind students on this list that do not live in
Illinois, ICRE Wood is one of our local, state-run facilities for the blind
adult. I am going to go and give it a try to brush up on skills; all I ask
for, Federationists, is for support.

Also, there is a movie I wish to recommend. I'm not sure of who all will
like it, but it is called Young Heroes: Louie Braille. It's on Youtube and
it is audio described. I thought it was very cool.

Come and check it out.

 

Kayla


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 23:34:10 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:34:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] support and a movie
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Thanks Kayla James for sharing this descriptive video on YouTube.

The link is found below for anyone on this list who wants to watch the
movie with audio/video description and captioning.

Young Heroes <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFyY7u95nxw>

Jimmy Hulme
Longtime Member of NFB of New Jersey
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I do not know if anyone has gotten my last email (except if you are on
> Facebook then you have) but it appears I am to be going to ICRE Wood in
> February. For all of the blind students on this list that do not live in
> Illinois, ICRE Wood is one of our local, state-run facilities for the blind
> adult. I am going to go and give it a try to brush up on skills; all I ask
> for, Federationists, is for support.
>
> Also, there is a movie I wish to recommend. I'm not sure of who all will
> like it, but it is called Young Heroes: Louie Braille. It's on Youtube and
> it is audio described. I thought it was very cool.
>
> Come and check it out.
>
>
>
> Kayla
>
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Fri Jan 23 23:51:39 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:51:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] support and a movie
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References: <01fa01d03762$07417f40$15c47dc0$@com>
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Hi Kayla,

I will definitely check out the movie.  Thanks for the recommendation.

As for support, I naturally cannot speak for the whole federation, but as someone who has spent  time at a similar place, you certainly have my support and encouragement.  Good luck and take care!


Ryan L. Silveira
חָים אהרן בן אברהם סילביירה

> On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:12 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do not know if anyone has gotten my last email (except if you are on
> Facebook then you have) but it appears I am to be going to ICRE Wood in
> February. For all of the blind students on this list that do not live in
> Illinois, ICRE Wood is one of our local, state-run facilities for the blind
> adult. I am going to go and give it a try to brush up on skills; all I ask
> for, Federationists, is for support.
> 
> Also, there is a movie I wish to recommend. I'm not sure of who all will
> like it, but it is called Young Heroes: Louie Braille. It's on Youtube and
> it is audio described. I thought it was very cool.
> 
> Come and check it out.
> 
> 
> 
> Kayla
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 24 02:00:33 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:00:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
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Evening, Bridget,

I, too, use melitonin because I am reluctant to get into anything 
harder, such as Ambian, or any other narcotics. How long have you 
been using it?
A word to the wise which may not have found you yet, melitonin 
supplements won't knock you out like other "heavier" drugs would, 
therefore, you eat the pill at a time you are done being awake, and 
when it is time to sleep. Sometimes you need to lay there for a 
while, try to relax because it will grab you, and grab you 
definitely. You might always sleep through the night while on it.
Please keep us posted, okay?
Car

cell: 408-209-3239

24. I never thought I would get that diagnosis but, guess what.
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 23, 27 Heisei, at 12:16 AM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all. This is starting to meander into the off-topic zone. To bring
> > it back on track: I've noticed that the non-24 sleep disorder
> > diagnosis is getting a lot of hype lately. I do believe there are some
> > blind people who genuinely have it. However, there are other medical
> > reasons for falling asleep at inappropriate times or having trouble
> > sleeping at night. In particular, the migraine disorder itself could
> > be messing with your sleep rhythms in unpredictable ways. I'd
> > encourage you to get a full investigation done and make sure the
> > doctor isn't just presuming you have non-24because you are blind.
> > Also, I've done a bit of reading about non-24, and it's not just
> > random trouble sleeping. It's a very specific condition in which the
> > time when you feel sleepy will shift a half-hour to an hour ahead each
> > night until it resets. So you might feel appropriately tired at eleven
> > one night, then find you are staying up later and later until a couple
> > weeks later you aren't sleepy until the morning. If you suspect
> > non-24, perhaps keep a sleep journal for a while to look for patterns.
> > And, plenty of healthy people, including sighted people, experience
> > insomnia and daytime fatigue just because of stress. I find nighttime
> > routines to be very important especially staying out of my bedroom
> > until it is time to go to bed.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> >> On 1/22/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> It's NOT "Official" IN the EYES of the FEDS (i.e., Federal Law).
> >>
> >> Federal Law overrules State Laws (i.e., JimCrow Laws)
> >>
> >> Just Saying
> >> At 11:15 PM 1/21/2015, you wrote:
> >>> It is legal in a handful of states now for medical purposes like
> >>> this. No need for such alarm. Obviously no one is suggesting
> >>> non-medical drug use in any region where it's use is not legal under
> >>> a doctor's advice.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 1:52 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> OMG, did you really just say she could use an illegal drug????????
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,National
> >>> Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Bridget Walker
> >>> <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>> Date sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:52:47 -0800
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College schedule and sleep
> >>>>
> >>>> Morning, Bridget,
> >>>>
> >>>>       I was bienucleated at age 2 and experienced non-24 during
> >>>> high school. Then, I begin using meletonin supplements to regulate my
> >>>> sleep. I am not familiar with the migraines you speak of. Try to
> >>>> regulate, though, via meds (preferably natural things such as
> >>>> meletonin supplements or marijuana) might help your migraines, too!
> >>>> Keep us posted?
> >>>> Car
> >>>> Sorry to hear about this. I wish I could give you some advice
> >>>> specific to the illness. However, this may be obvious but make sure
> >>>> your disability services provider on campus knows about this and has
> >>>> documentation. You may need it to get extensions or makeups etc. in
> >>>> the future.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes
> >>>> Derek
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>> This is not my usual kind of thread. I was just diagnosed with a
> >>>> very complicated migraine disorder that mimics seizures caused by
> >>>> lack of blood flow to parts of my brain due to swelling. Yeah sorry
> >>>> it sounds really bad but, I want this to be clear. I had to get an
> >>>> EEG to rule out epilepsy. When I got the EEG we found out I had
> >>>> very weird sleep patterns. There were some days when I would get no
> >>>> sleep at all and others when I would fall asleep at 11:00 in the
> >>>> morning without being aware of the time. My neurologist determined
> >>>> I had non24 and put me on a supplement I have only been on it sins
> >>>> Friday. My body is far from adjusted. When I have a migraine I
> >>>> quite literally just crash. I have this seizure like thing then, I
> >>>> have to medicate quickly, and then I fall asleep. I can not help
> >>>> but sleep with a migraine so powerful.
> >>>> Aside from my issues with migraines, I was wondering if anyone
> >>>> has dealt with symptoms of non24 while attending college. How did
> >>>> you adjust your sleep schedule while completing assignments? Were
> >>>> you ever able to train yourself to sleep at the correct time?
> >>>> Any advice is appreciated.
> >>>> Bridget
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 02:54:45 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 21:54:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
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I hate it when people tell me something can't be done, so take my opposition as a mere consideration.

Statistically, public protests very rarely chieve their objective. Even the civil rights movement required years of significant pressure to plant a seed of real desire. The blindness community is significantly smaller than the African-American movement, and the NABS segment is even tinier. People would love to believe other strategies like boycotts and civil disobedience are effective, but they only make for sensational news that eventually fades from public conscience. The Ferguson episode is a prime example.

If you want to be strategically effective, rally round the efforts the National Office is already implementing. I'm not sure they're entirely smart over there either. Engaging weekly Twitter campaigns has a watering down effect as well, but at least by partnering up with the rest of the organization you enjoy a concentrated power in numbers. Pick a day and engage a massive telephone and letter-writing campaign and leverage social media to amplify the message.

In many ways, this would be more effective than Washington Seminar. Washington Seminar makes for a couple days of high visibility on the Hill, and maybe it was a novelty the first few years it was done. Now, however, it amounts to nothing more than a waste of money getting people out to Washington when the money could have been spent printing more pamphlets or educating more blind people to rally round your cause. It's not as if the membership can't visit their representatives in their district offices. There is such a huge element of predictability, and when you have a second group of blind people come onto the Hill two weeks later, well...

Just because something sounds sensational does not make it strategically effective. And just because a thing has been done a certain for so many years does not mean it is still the right course of action.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna Givens via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 1:27 AM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses

Hey Justin,
I personally think this is an excellent idea.  Although we haven't discussed it, I believe that we in Colorado would be interested.  I too am concerned about the support issue. As CABS seems to be struggling right now, I don't know how it would go.  But at the very least, I will say that I think it is a good idea.  
I agree that having a call about it sometime in the future would be nice.
Although I have concerns, I agree with your point that we must try to do even what we don't believe we can do.
I will mention this idea to the rest of my board and see what they have to say.
Great work, as always.

Anna E Givens

> On Jan 20, 2015, at 10:45 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for the compliment, Darian.
> 
> I believe we have enough talented leaders in our movement that we could get a good batch of university protests together. It can be some work, but we wouldn't want to have students doing it alone. There are things that protest organizers can recruit other people to do. A lot of sizeable universities have local chapters near them, and many of our student leaders are active in organizations on their campuses that might be willing to help shoulder the load. I think the biggest key is making sure that the direction comes from someone with a sound philosophy and who directs people they can trust. Good friends can be helpful, too.
> 
> I can appreciate that some students may think this is beyond their reach just like that first drop route or cooking a meal for 40 during training. Just like with those milestones in training, we build our skill sets to the point where we can jump that hurdle before we try. If most of us just give our best effort and try to do a little more than we believe we are capable of achieving, we will be proud of the results.
> 
> If anyone doesn't believe that, pack a bag and come to Ruston, Louisiana, for nine months!
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin
> 
> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana 
> Tech University
> Email: jms132 at latech.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
> 
> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey. 
> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darian Smith [mailto:dsmithnfb at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> Justin, as usual you bring about some real good ideas.
>  this concept  has  historically been effective in the days of the civil rights movements, and today various political associations still employ similar tactics, so there’s no reason why we  couldn’t go about the attempt.
> On the other hand, a good deal of blind students either are the only blind person on campus  or go about their semesters with the idea that they are the only blind person  on campus. 
> In order for such an effort to gain wide-spread traction, blind students  would need to feel motivated to get involved with our legislative work, supported with the tools and personal encouragement to organize other students  and believe that they have the time to devote to making this happen  on top   of their academic responsibilities   as most students feel they have a tough enough time simply being a student, and doing that job  at a high level.
> I think that the vision you have is a strong one and one i have always wanted to see our collective student division become strong enough/active enough to do.
>  I’m interested to hear what your thoughts and the thoughts of others might be on the matter.
> 
>  Darian.           
>> On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I've been thinking about an idea for how NABS can contribute to the legislative work of the National Federation of the Blind, and I have talked with a few friends about it. Now, I want to ask what the NABS membership thinks of it.
>> 
>> We could coordinate protests on college campuses and do it 
>> strategically to raise awareness to our legislative causes. I bet 
>> there are a lot of college students who would stand up and protest 
>> subminimum wages if they only knew about it. We could do it with our 
>> other bills, too,
>> 
>> Another dimension we could add is If we coordinated them to be all on the same day, or at least multiple ones on the same day. This could help us get national media attention. For example: Today, students at Harvard, Yale, Louisiana Tech, and four other universities protested the outdated practice of paying wages like three cents per hour to workers with disabilities.
>> 
>> This would require heavy involvement of local students, but the returns could be amazing.
>> 
>> What do people think of this idea?
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student 
>> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness 
>> Louisiana Tech University
>> Email: jms132 at latech.edu<mailto:jms132 at latech.edu>
>> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>> 
>> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our heritage demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it. Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will pay it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the challenges and confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant. My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the stairs, and we will finish the journey.
>> -          Dr. Kenneth Jernigan
>> 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 09:38:12 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:38:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,

Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at
our NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at
Washington Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There
will be light snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist
band for $5.00 during the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward
to seeing everyone there.

Bre Brown
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students


From Daniel.Ashman at dbvi.virginia.gov  Sat Jan 24 10:02:40 2015
From: Daniel.Ashman at dbvi.virginia.gov (Ashman,
	Daniel (DBVI))
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 04:02:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] VRCBVI Seeking Blind Mentors for LIFE 2015
Message-ID: <auto-000013410839@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Seeking: Blind Mentors for 2015 LIFE Program
Are you ready to be an agent of change with the 
blind and vision impaired youth of Virginia?

The Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind 
and Vision Impaired (VRCBVI) is seeking three 
blind college students or young professionals to 
be mentors for our 2015 Learning Independence, 
Feeling Empowered (LIFE) Program. Mentors will 
work alongside our instructional staff in areas 
which may include but are not limited to: 
Braille, Cooking Skills, Access Technology, and 
College 101 as well as during after-hours 
confidence building activities. If you are 
enthusiastic about giving back to the next 
generation of blind and vision impaired youth and 
you want to have fun while working, then being a 
mentor in the 2015 LIFE Program is the place for 
you. It is highly encouraged for mentors to be 
available the weeks of June 14-July 12, 2015 for 
training and orientation to the VRCBVI. The 2015 
LIFE Program will take place July 12-August 14, 
2015 on the campus of VRCBVI in Richmond, Virginia.

LIFE is a five week residential summer program 
for high school-aged blind and vision impaired 
youth  who want to learn the skills of blindness, 
participate in a college preparation or career 
exploration program, develop a positive attitude 
about blindness, and have fun while getting to know their blind peers.

Ideally mentoring candidates will possess:
·         Excellent blindness skills specifically 
the ability to travel independently using a long white cane or dog guide
·         Be available from June 14-August 14, 2015
·         Be able to work 40 hours a week which includes evenings and weekends
·         Be able to communicate effectively with co-workers and supervisor
·         Possess maturity and patience, and the 
ability to work as part of a team
·         Enjoy teaching and have an enthusiastic sense of adventure
·         Ability to live in the dorm apartments on the VRCBVI campus

·         Pass a background check

Rate of pay: $9.00 an hour plus room and board

To learn more contact 804-371-3339 or if 
interested submit the following to Daniel Ashman 
by mail, 401 Azalea Avenue, Richmond, VA 23227 or 
by email to 
<mailto:daniel.ashman at dbvi.virginia.gov>daniel.ashman at dbvi.virginia.gov:
·         Cover Letter
·         Resume
·         Three professional references

·         500 word essay explaining why you would 
be the best candidate for the position and the 
role mentoring has played in your success

All applications must be received by no later than March 31, 2015


Daniel J. Ashman
Activities and Special Projects Coordinator
Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind & Vision Impaired
401 Azalea Avenue
Richmond, Virginia 23227
Phone: 804.371.3339
Email: <mailto:amy.phelps at dbvi.virginia.gov>daniel.ashman at dbvi.virginia.gov
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From nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org  Sat Jan 24 10:09:44 2015
From: nfbnet-members-list-bounces at nfbnet.org (by way of David Andrews
	<dandrews@visi.com>)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 04:09:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Forward of moderated message
Message-ID: <auto-000013411061@mailfront1.g2host.com>

From: Gabriela Moats <gmoats at haverford.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:27:53 -0500
Subject: Looking for assistance in developing a college physics lab

Hello,
Haverford College (located near Philadelphia, PA) 
is looking for someone to develop accessible 
versions of physics lab in the course 
"Electronics and Waves"Â for a blind physics 
major. The course will take place next Fall 2015, 
so we would like the bulk of the preparation to 
occur this Spring semester. We are looking for 
someone with a graduate degree in physics, and 
preference will be given to those with experience 
in lab development and/or accessibility. We are 
open to both on-site and remote contributors. 
Salary and hours are negotiable. Please contact 
us for more information (<mailto:hc-ods at haverford.edu>hc-ods at haverford.edu).

Thank you,

Gabriela Moats

-- 
Gabriela Echavarría Moats
Coordinator of Accommodations
Office of Disabilities Services
Haverford College | Stokes 204K
<mailto:gmoats at haverford.edu>gmoats at haverford.edu
(610) 896-1324

From nfb-science at nfbnet.org  Sat Jan 24 10:59:33 2015
From: nfb-science at nfbnet.org (Li Zhou via Nfb-science)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 04:59:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey on Teaching Topographic Maps
Message-ID: <auto-000013411926@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear Teachers,

     We at APH are currently considering developing a product that may
help students with blindness and low vision understand how contour
lines are drawn and how topographic maps are used. Because topographic
maps and contour lines are 2D quantitative representations developed
by simplifying real 3D land surfaces, some students without adequate
visual input may have difficulty in understanding this abstract
knowledge.

     We are conducting a short survey to learn how this knowledge is
currently being taught to these students and whether it is necessary
to add additional tools. If you have ever taught middle or high school
students who are visually impaired (even if you have never taught this
specific knowledge), please consider taking this survey. If you happen
to know some other teachers (including those in general schools) who
have ever done so, please help us by forwarding this message.

     To take the survey, please click the following link:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/topography

     The survey will remain active until January 31st, 2015.

     Thank you!

Li Zhou, Ed.D.
Core-Curriculum Project Leader
American Printing House for the Blind
P.O. Box 6085
Louisville, Kentucky 40206
Phone: 800-223-1839, ext. 424
Email: lzhou at aph.org

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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 13:13:59 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:13:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C8881C-2E86-4F19-B52F-C6EDC32C2245@gmail.com>

See you there!!

Shikha. 

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
> The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at
> our NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at
> Washington Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There
> will be light snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist
> band for $5.00 during the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward
> to seeing everyone there.
> 
> Bre Brown
> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 16:21:22 2015
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:21:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <50C8881C-2E86-4F19-B52F-C6EDC32C2245@gmail.com>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50C8881C-2E86-4F19-B52F-C6EDC32C2245@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E7EF5C6-3AC1-452A-A4EC-AD505882C613@gmail.com>

Cash bar? I can't wait!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 6:13 AM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> See you there!!
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:38 AM, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
>> The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at
>> our NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at
>> Washington Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There
>> will be light snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist
>> band for $5.00 during the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward
>> to seeing everyone there.
>> 
>> Bre Brown
>> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:08:09 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:08:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS16B4293CF7E28BA05B3A16BA370@phx.gbl>

Hello Bre,

Thank you for sending out an announcement for the NABS Café. However, there
seems to be some discrepancies regarding the time for this event. This email
states that the event takes place from 8:00 pm to midnight. However, the
article in the Student Slate states that this event takes place from 8:00 pm
to 11:00 pm. Which one of these times is correct?

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:38 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Greetings,

Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at our
NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at Washington
Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There will be light
snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist band for $5.00 during
the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing everyone there.

Bre Brown
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students

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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:15:37 2015
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 11:15:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS16B4293CF7E28BA05B3A16BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS16B4293CF7E28BA05B3A16BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001201d037f9$5f5c4010$1e14c030$@com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I apologize for the "discrepancies," the main Washington Seminar agenda
lists the event from 8:00 PM to midnight, as it should have been advertized
in the student slate.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,

...Gabe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Bre Brown'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Hello Bre,

Thank you for sending out an announcement for the NABS Café. However, there
seems to be some discrepancies regarding the time for this event. This email
states that the event takes place from 8:00 pm to midnight. However, the
article in the Student Slate states that this event takes place from 8:00 pm
to 11:00 pm. Which one of these times is correct?

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:38 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Greetings,

Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at our
NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at Washington
Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There will be light
snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist band for $5.00 during
the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing everyone there.

Bre Brown
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students

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From ALewis at nfb.org  Sat Jan 24 17:19:17 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:19:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] We Need Focus Group Participants at Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <BLUPR0701MB101010E5926A8C31BBAC160FC1370@BLUPR0701MB1010.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Federationists:

We need your assistance. Please contact me or Clara as soon as possible.

The greatest asset the National Federation of the Blind possesses is our membership.  In an effort to continue to ensure that our voices are heard in the evaluation and development of accessible biotechnology tools and strategies, we are recruiting participants for a focus group on health, mobility, and navigation on Monday, January 26 from 8:30 to 12:30 at the Holiday Inn Capitol. This is the morning of the Great Gathering In of our Washington Seminar. There is only room for 20 participants, so interested individuals should contact Clara Van Gerven at (410)659 9314 x2410 or at cvangerven at nfb.org<mailto:cvangerven at nfb.org>, as soon as possible. Whether or not you are able to participate, you are encouraged to take the time to complete, and share, the survey referenced below.

The Therapeutic Research Foundation (TRF) has enlisted the assistance of the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute, the only research and training institute developed and directed by blind people, to create a survey on health, mobility, and navigation. TRF is inviting blind and low-vision participants to take the survey to help them create the next generation of navigational tools. The data gathered will be used specifically to do research and development, so please consider taking the time to complete the questionnaire and help them build a device that will serve your needs. Depending on your responses, the survey will take 5-15 minutes, and your impact will shape the future of the project.

The link to the survey is https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/XNZKWL8.




Best,

Clara
Clara Van Gerven
Access Technology Content Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
       at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD  21230
410-659-9314 x-2410
cvangerven at nfb.org<mailto:cvangerven at nfb.org>
The Access Technology Blog<http://nfb.org/at-blog>


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Executive Director

National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland   21230

(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice)
(410) 659-5129 (FAX)
Email: alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org>
Web: www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/>
Twitter: @AnilLife

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>.



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 24 17:22:44 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 12:22:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <001201d037f9$5f5c4010$1e14c030$@com>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS16B4293CF7E28BA05B3A16BA370@phx.gbl>
	<001201d037f9$5f5c4010$1e14c030$@com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS44112F40C35E28B6CE615B8BA370@phx.gbl>

Hello Gabe,

Thank you for this clarification. I thought the time in the Student Slate
article may have been an oversight, but thought I would double check to make
sure. I thought I would post this publically in case anyone else may have
been confused by the time listed in the Student Slate article. I hope
everyone attending Washington Seminar has a great time.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:16 PM
To: 'Elizabeth Mohnke'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'; 'Bre Brown'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Hi Elizabeth,
I apologize for the "discrepancies," the main Washington Seminar agenda
lists the event from 8:00 PM to midnight, as it should have been advertized
in the student slate.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,

...Gabe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:08 AM
To: 'Bre Brown'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Hello Bre,

Thank you for sending out an announcement for the NABS Café. However, there
seems to be some discrepancies regarding the time for this event. This email
states that the event takes place from 8:00 pm to midnight. However, the
article in the Student Slate states that this event takes place from 8:00 pm
to 11:00 pm. Which one of these times is correct?

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:38 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar

Greetings,

Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at our
NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at Washington
Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There will be light
snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist band for $5.00 during
the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing everyone there.

Bre Brown
Secretary, National Association of Blind Students

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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 19:49:05 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:49:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS44112F40C35E28B6CE615B8BA370@phx.gbl>
References: <CACXqA0oVaDD6BL-_fAyZNwgApMeQpa9BW1YpTWiAHLnGki9cXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS16B4293CF7E28BA05B3A16BA370@phx.gbl>
	<001201d037f9$5f5c4010$1e14c030$@com>
	<COL401-EAS44112F40C35E28B6CE615B8BA370@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EFC9CB6D-67A2-468E-B500-03A035C865F0@gmail.com>

I can not wait to see everyone 

Shikha. 

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Gabe,
> 
> Thank you for this clarification. I thought the time in the Student Slate
> article may have been an oversight, but thought I would double check to make
> sure. I thought I would post this publically in case anyone else may have
> been confused by the time listed in the Student Slate article. I hope
> everyone attending Washington Seminar has a great time.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 12:16 PM
> To: 'Elizabeth Mohnke'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list'; 'Bre Brown'
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I apologize for the "discrepancies," the main Washington Seminar agenda
> lists the event from 8:00 PM to midnight, as it should have been advertized
> in the student slate.
> Hope this helps.
> Thanks,
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
> Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: 'Bre Brown'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
> 
> Hello Bre,
> 
> Thank you for sending out an announcement for the NABS Café. However, there
> seems to be some discrepancies regarding the time for this event. This email
> states that the event takes place from 8:00 pm to midnight. However, the
> article in the Student Slate states that this event takes place from 8:00 pm
> to 11:00 pm. Which one of these times is correct?
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bre Brown via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 4:38 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Cafe At Washington Seminar
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Are you looking for a place to wind down and spend time with friends?
> The National Association of Blind Students invites you to join us at our
> NABS cafe on Monday, January 26th from 8:00 pm to midnight at Washington
> Seminar. We will have live performers and an auction. There will be light
> snacks and a cash bar available. You can buy a wrist band for $5.00 during
> the day or for $7 at the door. We look forward to seeing everyone there.
> 
> Bre Brown
> Secretary, National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 20:41:28 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:41:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I have some good news
Message-ID: <54c40395.62dd320a.266c.ffff8294@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I have some awesome news for all of you.  Beginning in Februarny 
I will be the newest member of the Florida Association of Blind 
Students.  I am so excited about this opportunity.


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 24 20:58:46 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:58:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I have some good news
In-Reply-To: <54c40395.62dd320a.266c.ffff8294@mx.google.com>
References: <54c40395.62dd320a.266c.ffff8294@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4C63A854-3101-4F00-8A05-BD1CFFD96C75@gmail.com>

How did you do that? I have been trying to track down my president. Congrats:)

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 24, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Students,
> 
> I have some awesome news for all of you.  Beginning in Februarny I will be the newest member of the Florida Association of Blind Students.  I am so excited about this opportunity.
> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 24 22:02:45 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:02:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Online citation manager questions
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D15@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello Fellow Nabsters:
	I am currently taking an online course, which is the introduction to the introduction to my undergraduate Honors thesis. One of the course requirements is that we ought to use a citation manager. The one that they recommend for use is called N-Note web. I informed the professor to the unfortunate situation, which often arises, that being the possibility that the manager may be inaccessible. She informed me that, if this were the case, then she would like to locate the most useful citation manager for someone with a visual disability.
	Thus, my question. First, have any of you used an online citation manager before? Have you used N-note before? If so, how was it in regards to accessibility? If you have used another one or multiple ones, which have you found to be the best.
Thank you all in advance!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun


From mausbun at unr.edu  Sat Jan 24 22:38:32 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 22:38:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D38@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello All,

	This is going to sound off-topic (as it probably is extremely so), but I will explain why I believe it ought to be on-topic.
	I am a part of the University of Nevada, Reno’s Debate Team. Debate, as a rule, is generally inaccessible for those with visual disabilities, because a lot of what is required is visual. You have to write notes, reed your notes in-round and make virtually no mistakes while doing so, in regards to your oppositions argumentation as you are attempting to refute it. They do not generally approve assistive technology, because they have had incidents in the past of people using the internet mid-round, to find arguments, which they did not create.
	My school, however, has done everything they can to make this lovely activity accessible for me, even though it puts a strain on them and their success at times. Our coaches, who are extremely involved at the administration of the league (National parliamentary Debate Association) level, are trying to ensure full accessibility, in the case that more blind individuals wish to participate in the activity.
	Last night, while at a tournament in Santa Clara California, our two vans were burglarized, resulting in ten laptops, several laptops, personal belongings and school books/work going missing. There are a few people on the team, including myself, who are not socio-economically stable; and thus, items cannot be replaced without assistance.
	I was wondering, if you wonderful people could at least view the link and possibly push it out on your social media, in order to help us out. Every cent will go to assisting us, the students, in our educational endeavors and we will be extremely grateful.
	Yes, I recognize that this is not exactly blind related, but because of their, the league and my school in particulars, attempts to make an activity, which is generally inaccessible accessible, I thought I might ask.
	Thank you in advance and I am sorry for asking this…
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
 
http://www.gofundme.com/krwsmw?fb_action_ids=10100411959382126&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=fb_cr_n&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B832270660179500%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fb_cr_n%22%5D


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Jan 25 00:17:05 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:17:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D38@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D38@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <B66B180E-A770-47EC-A3BA-408A3398EF06@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

That's great that you are doing debate. I was a state champion debater in Oklahoma and would be happy to discuss techniques I used to make things more accessible for me when I couldn't use technology.

Best wishes
Derek 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 5:38 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
>    This is going to sound off-topic (as it probably is extremely so), but I will explain why I believe it ought to be on-topic.
>    I am a part of the University of Nevada, Reno’s Debate Team. Debate, as a rule, is generally inaccessible for those with visual disabilities, because a lot of what is required is visual. You have to write notes, reed your notes in-round and make virtually no mistakes while doing so, in regards to your oppositions argumentation as you are attempting to refute it. They do not generally approve assistive technology, because they have had incidents in the past of people using the internet mid-round, to find arguments, which they did not create.
>    My school, however, has done everything they can to make this lovely activity accessible for me, even though it puts a strain on them and their success at times. Our coaches, who are extremely involved at the administration of the league (National parliamentary Debate Association) level, are trying to ensure full accessibility, in the case that more blind individuals wish to participate in the activity.
>    Last night, while at a tournament in Santa Clara California, our two vans were burglarized, resulting in ten laptops, several laptops, personal belongings and school books/work going missing. There are a few people on the team, including myself, who are not socio-economically stable; and thus, items cannot be replaced without assistance.
>    I was wondering, if you wonderful people could at least view the link and possibly push it out on your social media, in order to help us out. Every cent will go to assisting us, the students, in our educational endeavors and we will be extremely grateful.
>    Yes, I recognize that this is not exactly blind related, but because of their, the league and my school in particulars, attempts to make an activity, which is generally inaccessible accessible, I thought I might ask.
>    Thank you in advance and I am sorry for asking this…
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> 
> http://www.gofundme.com/krwsmw?fb_action_ids=10100411959382126&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=fb_cr_n&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B832270660179500%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fb_cr_n%22%5D
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 00:23:58 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 19:23:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CVS Farmacy App Question
Message-ID: <5E3844913EB94C96A6D095B679BB60D0@Helga>

    Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here use the CVS Farmacy app in order to make refils of your prescriptions? If you do, can you tell me how can I do that? I’m just wondering since I downloaded the CVS app to my phone, and for me it looks like that is not so accessible with VoiceOver, and I really don’t know how to refil my drop prescription! I usually call the Farmacy in order to do that, but I would like to do it from the app! I will really appreciate it a lot if you could help me with this! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sun Jan 25 01:38:47 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:38:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYJxBV7N4qsb11Wsus4uyV5+FDtHb-_sDtwjfU+4i2Lgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FYJxBV7N4qsb11Wsus4uyV5+FDtHb-_sDtwjfU+4i2Lgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D20656CC6A29B4-860-514E5@webmail-vm002.sysops.aol.com>

Hi all,
Thank you for suggesting this great resource.
I have tried using this twice so far and I have a few questions.
Which format should I choose?
Braille or accessibility conversion?
If I choose Braille, does it matter whehtehr I choose British English 
or American English?
Lastly under Braille format, which format is recommended?
I put BrailleNote and so far it gave me txt files.
Is there any way I could get either brf file as my outcome?
Also one image pdf file I put through came out as a txt file and had 
broken texts... how could I avoid this problem?
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>; National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 6:46 am
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?

I believe the headquarters for the organization is in Norway as well.
It should be accessible to you whereever you are.

This is how good it is; I had a prof email me hand-outs for class the
other day, but in her effort to get them to me in advance she forgot
to make sure the pdfs weren't images.  I was able to email them to
robobraille and get MS Word files back in enough time to use them in
class.  It's really a great thing!

On 1/23/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You don't--it was developed in Europe and is used around the world. 
In fact,
> I learned about the service from a blind person in Australia.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
>> On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:45 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I don't see why you would; go on and try it.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra 
Gayer
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 4:23 AM
>> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>
>> Hello,
>> Do you have to live in America to use this service?
>>
>> Very best wishes,
>> Sandra.
>>
>>> On 1/23/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Yes, it can convert to and from a long list of (mostly
>>> inaccessible) file types including inaccessible pdfs.  You can 
either
>>> upload your file at www.robobraille.org or e-mail it to
>>> convert at robobraille.org attached to a blank e-mail with the file 
type
>>> you want it converted to in the subject line.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "National 
Association
>>> ofBlind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 23
>>> Jan 2015 04:38:50 +0000
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>>
>>> I apologize, I am slightly ignorant on this topic. What is Robo
>>> braille? Wednesday, say, convert a PDF that is composed of images
>>> instead of text, into an accessible format (if an individual doesn't
>>> have the latest version of jaws with the new document OCR).
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I use robo braille to make this work.  It's come in pretty 
handy
>>> quite a few times, though in my experiences at least it can take a
>>> little longer for image conversion than documents.  Just don't freak
>>> out if it takes them a little longer to email you the text.  :)
>>>
>>> On 1/22/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> Have you tried robo braille? I think the file type is on there for
>>> being  able to be made accessible.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso
>>> Kwak via  nabs-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:08 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Making Texts on jpg file accessible?
>>>
>>> Hi NABS,
>>> I am writing to see if there is any way I can access texts that are
>>> formated  as jpg image files on the web.
>>> Here is a sample link.
>>>
>>> http://dspace.wrlc.org/view/ImgViewer?url=http://dspace.wrlc.org/
>>> doc/manifes
>>> t/2041/40106
>>> This is a part of The Silent Worker, a Deaf community newspaper from
>>> the  19th century and the early 20th century (home page found 
here...
>>> http://proxy.aladin0.wrlc.org/gsdl/collect/gasw/gasw.shtml
>>> )
>>> I need to access articles from here as a part of my assignment for
>>> History  of Deaf Community in America class.
>>> The professor is understanding of the accessiblity problem so we are
>>> looking  at different altermnative options but I would love to know 
if
>>> there is any  way I could access the texts found on this website 
such
>>> as the sample link  I  provided above.
>>> Will KNFB Reader be able to somehow convert the images and recognize
>>> texts?
>>> If so how would I be able to do it?
>>> Any other suggestions are welcome.
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 01:53:41 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:53:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Online citation manager questions
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D15@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D15@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9igRA3-D+OX9TkffD4OS1zLCjodJoVdo3M5J4QDQyngcg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

I've never heard of the citation manager that you mentioned, but my
university uses refworks for our manager and I like it a lot. It's a
little cumbersome to use at times, but it does come in handy when
writing papers.

Minh

On 1/24/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Fellow Nabsters:
> 	I am currently taking an online course, which is the introduction to the
> introduction to my undergraduate Honors thesis. One of the course
> requirements is that we ought to use a citation manager. The one that they
> recommend for use is called N-Note web. I informed the professor to the
> unfortunate situation, which often arises, that being the possibility that
> the manager may be inaccessible. She informed me that, if this were the
> case, then she would like to locate the most useful citation manager for
> someone with a visual disability.
> 	Thus, my question. First, have any of you used an online citation manager
> before? Have you used N-note before? If so, how was it in regards to
> accessibility? If you have used another one or multiple ones, which have you
> found to be the best.
> Thank you all in advance!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 04:36:38 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:36:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I have some good news
In-Reply-To: <4C63A854-3101-4F00-8A05-BD1CFFD96C75@gmail.com>
References: <54c40395.62dd320a.266c.ffff8294@mx.google.com>
	<4C63A854-3101-4F00-8A05-BD1CFFD96C75@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F3BC8AD-BC71-4BF9-8145-7095A6F2B7EE@gmail.com>

Kayla, what state are you from?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How did you do that? I have been trying to track down my president. Congrats:)
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On Jan 24, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I have some awesome news for all of you.  Beginning in Februarny I will be the newest member of the Florida Association of Blind Students.  I am so excited about this opportunity.
>> 
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 05:29:50 2015
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 00:29:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Online citation manager questions
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References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D15@UBOX2.unr.edu>
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Hi Michael,

EndNote is a popular citation manager, and as it happens I'm actually
in the process of learning to work with it. From what I understand,
there is a basic web version (which is free and probably what you are
referring to) and a full-feature desktop version. I have been working
with the desktop version since my university library has a purchased
license - The interface is a bit cumbersome to use and I haven't
figured out all the kinks yet, but it does seem pretty accessible. I
can't speak to the web version of the software but would think that it
should be worth a
try. Just be prepared - There is a bit of a learning curve... If you
see research in your future then it is definitely a handy tool to
have, but if you are just writing a paper for class here and there
then it might be more efficient to manage your references manually.
Good luck!

Katie

On 1/24/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I've never heard of the citation manager that you mentioned, but my
> university uses refworks for our manager and I like it a lot. It's a
> little cumbersome to use at times, but it does come in handy when
> writing papers.
>
> Minh
>
> On 1/24/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Fellow Nabsters:
>> 	I am currently taking an online course, which is the introduction to the
>> introduction to my undergraduate Honors thesis. One of the course
>> requirements is that we ought to use a citation manager. The one that
>> they
>> recommend for use is called N-Note web. I informed the professor to the
>> unfortunate situation, which often arises, that being the possibility
>> that
>> the manager may be inaccessible. She informed me that, if this were the
>> case, then she would like to locate the most useful citation manager for
>> someone with a visual disability.
>> 	Thus, my question. First, have any of you used an online citation
>> manager
>> before? Have you used N-note before? If so, how was it in regards to
>> accessibility? If you have used another one or multiple ones, which have
>> you
>> found to be the best.
>> Thank you all in advance!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 16:43:03 2015
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 11:43:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?
Message-ID: <006001d038bd$fdfc01f0$f9f405d0$@gmail.com>


All quotes from past president Kenneth Jernigan's "The Day After Civil
Rights" Banquet Speech at the Annual Convention Of the National Federation
of the Blind New Orleans, Louisiana, July 4, 1997



"As used in the late twentieth century, the term civil rights (although some
will deny it) always means force-an in-your-face attitude by the minority,
laws that make somebody do this or that, picketing, marches in the street,
court cases, and much else. And we have done those things, all of them. We
had to.

But there comes a day after civil rights. There must. Otherwise, the first
three stages (satisfying hunger, finding jobs, and getting civil rights)
have been in vain. The laws, the court cases, the confrontations, the jobs,
and even the satisfying of hunger can never be our prime focus. They are
preliminary. It is not that they disappear. Rather it is that they become a
foundation on which to build."

 

"Legislation cannot create understanding. Confrontation cannot create good
will, mutual acceptance, and respect. For that matter, legislation and
confrontation cannot create self-esteem. The search for self-esteem begins
in the period of civil rights, but the realization of self-esteem must wait
for the day after civil rights."

 

"We have not forgotten how to fight, and we will do it when we have to. We
must not become slack or cease to be vigilant, and we won't. But we have now
made enough progress to move to the next stage on the road to freedom. I
call it the day after civil rights."

 

"If a minority lives too long in an armed camp atmosphere, that minority
becomes poisoned and corroded. We must move beyond minority mentality and
victim thinking. This will be difficult-especially in today's society, where
hate and suspicion are a rising tide and where members of minorities are
encouraged and expected to feel bitterness and alienation and members of the
majority are encouraged and expected to feel guilt and preoccupation with
the past. . We must be willing to give to others as much as we want others
to give to us, and we must do it with good will and civility. We must make
the hard choices and take the long view."

 

"That birthright, equal responsibility as well as equal rights, is the very
essence of the NFB's philosophy. It is what we set out to get in 1940; it is
what we have fought for every step of the way; it is what we are now close
to achieving; and it is what we are absolutely determined to have. Equal
rights-equal responsibility."

 

"We are capable of working with the sighted, playing with the sighted, and
living with the sighted; and we are capable of doing it on terms of complete
equality. Likewise, the sighted are capable of doing the same with us-and
for the most part I think they want to. What we need is not confrontation
but understanding, an understanding that runs both ways. This means an
ongoing process of communication and public education." 

 

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

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-----Original Message-----

From: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>

Sent: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:55:04 -0500

To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>,       National Association of

            Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

Message-ID: <831A2FCA-69EE-4F0C-A072-4969C7058EEF at gmail.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

 

Elizabeth,

            Please do feel free to reach out to me off list. I am currently
a sophomore undergrad at Wake Forest University in North Carolina. Though I
have not had a negative experience, I would love to explore the reasoning
behind yours and hopefully put you in touch with uplifting and encouraging
leaders in our movement.

It is exceedingly unfortunate that you have faced such difficulties, and I
am ready to tackle them, not just among the students.

My email address is kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

Please do contact me if you are interested in further exploring this.

Kathryn

 

Kathryn C. Webster

Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut

President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students

Treasurer | Connecticut Association of Blind Students

Board Member | The Science and Engineering Division

(Coordinator | Connecticut BELL Program

Executive Editor | The Federationist Newsletter

203) 273-8463

kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

 

On Jan 20, 2015, at 6:06 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

 

> Hello Carl,

> 

> I was trying to frame my questions in a more positive way because
continuing

> to focus on the negative only seems to upset me and create more
negativity.

> I have shared bits and pieces of my specific experience with a number of

> individuals privately, and sharing these specifics of my personal
experience

> with others has never really done anything to answer the question as to
why

> I am treated so poorly within the National Federation of the Blind. 

> 

> As I have already stated, my overall experience within the NFB has been

> marked with harsh criticism and rejection rather than encouragement,

> support, and acceptance. Because of this I am questioning why I keep
trying

> to remain a part of the National Federation of the Blind. 

> 

> Therefore, I thought it would be beneficial to hear why others are a part
of

> the NFB, what factors make their experience a positive one rather than a

> negative one, and the strengths of the organization. I thought perhaps
this

> would help me identify any positives from my own experience even though it

> is rather negative. I also wanted to see how I might be able to make my

> experience with the NFB a more positive one while trying to prevent
someone

> else from having the same negative experience as me.

> 

> However, it would appear as though trying to use this more positive
approach

> has not been all that successful, and I apologize for bringing up such a

> controversial subject on the email list.

> 

> Warm regards,

> Elizabeth

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Karl Martin Adam [mailto:kmaent1 at gmail.com] 

> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2015 12:01 PM

> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list

> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

> 

> Hi Elizabeth, I understand why you might want to be vague about exactly
what

> your negative experiences have been, but this makes it difficult for any
of

> us to give you constructive answers.  

> Without knowing what problems you've had and how they came about, we can't

> tell you what we've done differently or point out that we've interacted
with

> different people or realize that we evaluate certain things as being less

> negative or anything like that.  At least in my case, one difference in
our

> experience is probably that I've never had a need or desire to contact the

> president of the organization or anyone that powerful and busy.  

> My interactions have been mostly with ordinary members, who have in the
vast

> majority of cases been open and welcoming.  I'm also primarily a member

> because I support the NFB's advocacy goals, not because I'm looking for

> self-affirmation from leadership.  

> That being said, when I was young, I was involved in the local mentoring

> program led by Allan Harris where I learned Braille and my basic mobility

> skills, which was overwhelmingly a positive experience.  As Arielle said,
it

> is very sad that you, and others, have had negative experiences, and we

> should all work to reduce those as much as possible.  I hope that you can

> feel comfortable enough to talk about exactly what problems you've had, so

> that people can try to fix them.  Of course, I can think of many reasons
you

> might not want to do that, so please don't feel pressured in any way.

> 

> Best,

> Karl

> 

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org

> To: "'Manners, Derek'" <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>,"'National

> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent:

> Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:47:32 -0500

> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

> 

> Hello Justin,

> 

> Thank you for sharing your experience with the National Federation of the

> Blind. However, I am honestly wondering if we are talking about the same

> organization here as my overall experience with the National Federation of

> the Blind is absolutely nothing like what you have described in this
email.

> What do you believe accounts for these differences? What makes your
overall

> experience so positive while my overall experience has been so negative?
Why

> have you been able to find encouraging words from people who truly seem to

> care about you while I have mostly received criticism and rejection from

> peple who do not seem to care all that much about me? I have a lot more

> questions, but I am honestly not sure which ones would be appropriate to

> post on such a public email list.

> 

> And for those of you who believe my negative experience with the National

> Federation of the Blind simply stems from a bad interaction with leaders
on

> a local level, I simply do not agree with you. My negative experience with

> the National Federation of the Blind appears to occur at all levels of the

> organization. Whether it be my first interaction with an NFB board member,

> an email exchange with the new President of the NFB, interactions with the

> NABS board, or interactions with state affiliate and local chapter
leaders,

> I would say that most of these interactions are nothing like what you have

> described in your email.

> 

> And so I am just wondering, and I have been wondering this for quite some

> time now, why are there such drastic differences between what I have

> experienced as a member of the National Federation of the Blind and what

> others have experienced as members of the National Federation of the
Blind?

> I honestly feel as though I have been sold a lot of empty promises and
false

> advertising because for me the NFB has never really been anything that

> anyone has ever told me it would be. Hopefully, I have framed my questions

> in such a way that they elicit a constructive positive dialog rather than

> offend anyone who believes my overall experience with the National

> Federation of the Blind could possibly be anything less than positive.

> 

> Warm regards,

> Elizabeth

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Manners,
Derek

> via nabs-l

> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 11:03 PM

> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list

> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

> 

> I would add to Justin's words and say that the main reason I chose the

> National Federation of the Blind over the ACB is that the NFB tries to
make

> the word accessible for blind people and expects us to be a part of it.

> For example, in Massachusetts, our state treasurer (a blind Harvard

> graduate) was the first blind teacher in America in large part due to

> pressure and advocacy from the NFB.  The NFB of MA pushed for blind people

> to be able to buy life insurance for the same price as sighted people and

> not to be discriminated against due to our disability.  The NFB of MA also

> pushed to allow blind people to serve on juries.  Can you imagine a world
in

> which we could not sit on juries despite being lawyers, scientists,

> teachers, etc.?  We are continuing to make strides in accessible voting,

> accessible ATMs, accessible taxis.  However, these efforts were started by

> the NFB.  The reason Apple and iTunes are so accessible is because of

> lawsuits by the NFB.

> 

> Those efforts of the past have made the world a better place for blind

> people.  If our generation has as much success, the world will be that
much

> closer to full accessibility and that is why I'm with the NFB.

> 

> I understand that some states are better than others and that it can be
very

> frustrating when you don't feel like you can work with the people in your

> state.  I'd be happy to talk to you off list about those issues as I had a

> similar issue in Massachusetts when I first joined.  Our state president
at

> the time was overwhelmed by the job and did not respond to me for months
at

> a time.

> 

> Best Wishes

> Derek Manners

> 

> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 10:26 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <

> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> 

> Dear Elizabeth,

> 

> Thank you for catalyzing this discussion. I'm going to reply with my

> knee-jerk answers and may follow up later if more ideas develop. 

> I

> think the answer that comes by reflex can be the most authentic.

> 

> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?

> The National Federation of the Blind has created so many opportunities
for

> me and changed the world before I was even born. When I became a  blind

> person in 2005, the society that I faced was much better because  of the
65

> years of work of the National Federation of the Blind. 

> I

> believe it is my duty to the people who came before me (people I will

> never meet) and to those blind people of the future to carry the baton
and

> run my leg of the race. I actually keep a quote from Dr.

> Jernigan's speech about climbing the stairs to freedom in my email

> signature. You can read it if you like.

> I also have found so many mentors through the Federation who have  changed

> my life by changing how I look at it. Before I found the  Federation, I
used

> to wield blindness as a source of pity to get  scholarship money and to

> impress news reporters with the fact that I  would get out of bed every

> morning. At my first NFB event, a state  convention where I was a

> scholarship winner, I was trying to complain  about how hard science was
as

> a blind person. Three blind people  surrounded me and started encouraging

> me, telling me that the  Federation would help me get through it. They
were

> a chemist, a civil  engineer, and an environmental scientist. I wanted
pity,

> but they  wouldn't let me give up on myself. Still today, we have 50,000

> blind  people who won't accept low expectations for blind people. We have

> training centers that give people their lives back-or give them the lives

> they never had but always deserved. I can't not be  a part of that.

> 

> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind

> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you
believe

> makes your experience positive rather than negative?

> 

> 1. Good Mentoring

> 2. Good Blind Role Models

> 3. Learning about leadership

> 4. Helping other people by empowering them 5. Nourishment in the

> philosophy that equips me to face the low expectations in society and  do
it

> effectively 6. Friendship with a lot of great people 7. 

> Let's

> not forget all the fun! Things like room parties at national  convention,

> pie-in-the-face fundraisers, latin dancing, you name it!

> 

> And finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the
National

> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

> 

> 1. Relationship-oriented leadership: our personal relationships in our

> movement help carry us through the tough times and are still fun in  the

> good times 2. Focus on a common goal: We're all fighting for the  same

> thing.

> 3. Giving each other second chances: For example, I made some pretty  bad

> mistakes in my campaign for NABS President, and a lot of the NABS  members

> and leaders-and National Federation of the Blind members and
leaders-could

> have chosen to never let me live those down. The totem  animal in my
Native

> American name is the Phoenix, which can burst into  flame and be reborn
any

> time it wants to reinvent itself. I have been  able to reinvent myself,
but

> a necessary part of that is others'

> willingness to let me. I bring this up because, no matter what it is  that

> people have on you or against you, if they are truly leaders in  our

> movement, they will give you a chance to reinvent yourself. 

> It's

> all about us getting to the same common goals, right?

> 4. We have a rock-solid understanding of something that is true. 

> The

> National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the

> characterist that defines you or your future. Every day, we raise the

> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create  obstacles

> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life  you want;

> blindness is not what holds you back.

> 

> With much love for my Federation family,

> 

> Justin Salisbury

> 

> Justin Salisbury - Running Thunder Phoenix Graduate Student  Professional

> Development and Research Institute on Blindness Louisiana  Tech University

> Email: jms132 at latech.edu

> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

> 

> But, of course, we will not fail. We will continue to climb. Our  heritage

> demands it; our faith confirms it; our humanity requires it.

> Whatever the sacrifice, we will make it. Whatever the price, we will  pay

> it. Seen from this perspective, the hostility and backlash (the
challenges

> and

> confrontations) are hardly worth noticing. They are only an irritant.

> My brothers and my sisters, the future is ours. Come! Join me on the

> stairs, and we will finish the journey.

> - Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth

> Mohnke via nabs-l

> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 8:52 PM

> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'

> Subject: [nabs-l] Why Are You a Member of the NFB?

> 

> Hello All,

> 

> It appears to me that I have started to become a rather disheartened

> member of the NFB. Although, I am sure some of you would argue that I  am

> already there. Anyway, as I try to work through the questions that  seem
to

> keep rumbling through my mind, I thought I would ask a few  questions to

> spur on some discussion on this email list.

> 

> Why do you choose to be a member of the National Federation of the Blind?

> If you believe your experience with the National Federation of the  blind

> is a positive one, what do you believe are the key factors that  you
believe

> makes your experience positive rather than negative? 

> And

> finally, what do you believe are the current strengths of the National

> Federation of the Blind as it looks into the future?

> 

> Please feel free to answer any or all of the questions, or any other

> question related to these ones. If you feel as though you relate more  to

> being a member of the National Association of Blind Students rather  than

> the National Federation of the Blind as a whole, you can answer  these

> questions from this point of view as well.

> 

> I look forward to hearing your responses.

> 

> Warm regards,

> Elizabeth

> 

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 25 20:22:16 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 15:22:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Why are you a Member of the Nfb?
Message-ID: <54c55096.3243320a.01f2.ffffca29@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share my thoughts on this topic.  Many individuals 
are members of the Nfb for different reasons.  As a college 
student who is blind it is important for me to have a support 
group of blind people around me.  My experience with Nfb members 
has been positive.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 00:55:19 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:55:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox
Message-ID: <54c5907a.62dd320a.266c.ffffd915@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone use Dropbox with their Braillenote Apex?  I remember 
hearing that this worked, but I just had to create a Dropbox 
account for school, and when I try to log in with my Apex it 
seems to be giving me a captcha that doesn't have one of those 
accessible audio things.  Any help you can give would be 
appreciated!

Karl


From shawnabraham21 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 01:54:44 2015
From: shawnabraham21 at gmail.com (Shawn Abraham)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:54:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox
Message-ID: <54c59e85.4778e00a.4778.fffffc98@mx.google.com>

Karl,
I believe the braillenote used to be able to download from 
dropbox.  Sadly however it now seems like the site has changed 
and no longer works with the apex.  At least in my experience.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:55:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox

Hi all,

Does anyone use Dropbox with their Braillenote Apex?  I remember
hearing that this worked, but I just had to create a Dropbox
account for school, and when I try to log in with my Apex it
seems to be giving me a captcha that doesn't have one of those
accessible audio things.  Any help you can give would be
appreciated!

Karl

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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 03:50:42 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:50:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox
In-Reply-To: <54c5907a.62dd320a.266c.ffffd915@mx.google.com>
References: <54c5907a.62dd320a.266c.ffffd915@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <17541C98-DF1B-4BE9-A987-4CC14A9C4E4F@gmail.com>

I recently saw a demonstration of the BrailleSense and it’s ability to access dropbox. I have never heard that the Apex can do it though. I’d love to know if it can.


> On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone use Dropbox with their Braillenote Apex?  I remember hearing that this worked, but I just had to create a Dropbox account for school, and when I try to log in with my Apex it seems to be giving me a captcha that doesn't have one of those accessible audio things.  Any help you can give would be appreciated!
> 
> Karl
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 04:45:22 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 23:45:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ven Diagrams on Excel
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaiXQNUu=N2dFPkq2M05qXEz34V=Qc+PwWXtppwD50LLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Is anyone familiar with making ven diagrams on excel?  I have a class
that is going to require me to do this, so I'm looking into the matter
now.  I have usually just made tabels or lists in 3 columns in the
order of A, both, and B, but it would be nice to actually be able to
make ven diagrams in excel if it is possible.

Thanks,


-- 
Kaiti


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 26 14:30:23 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 09:30:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Agenda for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS489304E0F9D45193249C329BA350@phx.gbl>

Hello,

Is there any way someone could post the agenda for the NABS seminar on the
email list? I am sure there are some people who put a lot of time and hard
work putting this agenda together, and it would really be nice to see the
results of this hard work despite the fact that I am not able to be there in
person.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 17:13:57 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:13:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Agenda for Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS489304E0F9D45193249C329BA350@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS489304E0F9D45193249C329BA350@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e7X_5iTnwFow4k4m-pqQKSAxDtBQKepGfyWK-_jduP8cg@mail.gmail.com>

Sure Liz Mohnke, Which format would you prefer to have it in?

Web (HTML), Word, Adobe PDF or Braille (BRF)

Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:30 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is there any way someone could post the agenda for the NABS seminar on the
> email list? I am sure there are some people who put a lot of time and hard
> work putting this agenda together, and it would really be nice to see the
> results of this hard work despite the fact that I am not able to be there
> in
> person.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 18:19:30 2015
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:19:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D38@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <97628E30AD64418A871156DECB7192EC@ownerf49ceb395>

Michael



I know this can not help you now, but have you ever considered getting 
renters insurance. Renter’s insurance is a home owner’s product for people 
who rent. It normally runs between $100 to $200 for around $15,000 in 
property coverage with $100,000 in personal liability protection. This 
coverage will replace your belongings in case of fire, theft or other 
covered perils.



For high cost accessibility items such as a Braille note taker, I would 
recommend adding a personal articles floater to the basic renter’s policy, 
or at the very least scheduling them as scheduled personal property.



Hope this helps you in the future,

Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:38 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please


Hello All,

This is going to sound off-topic (as it probably is extremely so), but I 
will explain why I believe it ought to be on-topic.
I am a part of the University of Nevada, Reno’s Debate Team. Debate, as a 
rule, is generally inaccessible for those with visual disabilities, because 
a lot of what is required is visual. You have to write notes, reed your 
notes in-round and make virtually no mistakes while doing so, in regards to 
your oppositions argumentation as you are attempting to refute it. They do 
not generally approve assistive technology, because they have had incidents 
in the past of people using the internet mid-round, to find arguments, which 
they did not create.
My school, however, has done everything they can to make this lovely 
activity accessible for me, even though it puts a strain on them and their 
success at times. Our coaches, who are extremely involved at the 
administration of the league (National parliamentary Debate Association) 
level, are trying to ensure full accessibility, in the case that more blind 
individuals wish to participate in the activity.
Last night, while at a tournament in Santa Clara California, our two vans 
were burglarized, resulting in ten laptops, several laptops, personal 
belongings and school books/work going missing. There are a few people on 
the team, including myself, who are not socio-economically stable; and thus, 
items cannot be replaced without assistance.
I was wondering, if you wonderful people could at least view the link and 
possibly push it out on your social media, in order to help us out. Every 
cent will go to assisting us, the students, in our educational endeavors and 
we will be extremely grateful.
Yes, I recognize that this is not exactly blind related, but because of 
their, the league and my school in particulars, attempts to make an 
activity, which is generally inaccessible accessible, I thought I might ask.
Thank you in advance and I am sorry for asking this…
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

http://www.gofundme.com/krwsmw?fb_action_ids=10100411959382126&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=fb_cr_n&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B832270660179500%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fb_cr_n%22%5D

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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Jan 26 18:36:22 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:36:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
In-Reply-To: <97628E30AD64418A871156DECB7192EC@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B862D38@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<97628E30AD64418A871156DECB7192EC@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <54C68926.5090207@tysdomain.com>

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I don't think renters insurance would help him. Nice advertising, though.
On 1/26/2015 1:19 PM, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l wrote:
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> I know this can not help you now, but have you ever considered
> getting renters insurance. Renter’s insurance is a home owner’s
> product for people who rent. It normally runs between $100 to $200
> for around $15,000 in property coverage with $100,000 in personal
> liability protection. This coverage will replace your belongings in
> case of fire, theft or other covered perils.
> 
> 
> 
> For high cost accessibility items such as a Braille note taker, I
> would recommend adding a personal articles floater to the basic
> renter’s policy, or at the very least scheduling them as scheduled
> personal property.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps you in the future,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> To: "National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015
> 5:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
> 
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> This is going to sound off-topic (as it probably is extremely so),
> but I will explain why I believe it ought to be on-topic. I am a
> part of the University of Nevada, Reno’s Debate Team. Debate, as a
> rule, is generally inaccessible for those with visual
> disabilities, because a lot of what is required is visual. You have
> to write notes, reed your notes in-round and make virtually no
> mistakes while doing so, in regards to your oppositions
> argumentation as you are attempting to refute it. They do not
> generally approve assistive technology, because they have had
> incidents in the past of people using the internet mid-round, to
> find arguments, which they did not create. My school, however, has
> done everything they can to make this lovely activity accessible
> for me, even though it puts a strain on them and their success at
> times. Our coaches, who are extremely involved at the 
> administration of the league (National parliamentary Debate
> Association) level, are trying to ensure full accessibility, in the
> case that more blind individuals wish to participate in the
> activity. Last night, while at a tournament in Santa Clara
> California, our two vans were burglarized, resulting in ten
> laptops, several laptops, personal belongings and school books/work
> going missing. There are a few people on the team, including
> myself, who are not socio-economically stable; and thus, items
> cannot be replaced without assistance. I was wondering, if you
> wonderful people could at least view the link and possibly push it
> out on your social media, in order to help us out. Every cent will
> go to assisting us, the students, in our educational endeavors and
> we will be extremely grateful. Yes, I recognize that this is not
> exactly blind related, but because of their, the league and my
> school in particulars, attempts to make an activity, which is
> generally inaccessible accessible, I thought I might ask. Thank you
> in advance and I am sorry for asking this… Respectfully, Michael
> Ausbun
> 
> http://www.gofundme.com/krwsmw?fb_action_ids=10100411959382126&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=fb_cr_n&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B832270660179500%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fb_cr_n%22%5D
>
> 
> 
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Take care,
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 26 18:38:10 2015
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:38:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
References: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com><47B90AFC-CABD-4A90-B562-D8EDAB743C3A@gmail.com><C4851B99-B6AF-490C-99B1-9B4283082292@gmail.com>
	<105D6F82-56DA-47AB-8280-205FDD97C7A5@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <908F8A7DB74E494F8B9CA05A355606F8@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi,



MassABS has a list on the NFB.org server. It’s kind of disused, so perhaps 
some of you could liven it up…



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Manners via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses


> Massachusetts has a listserv that we are working to get up and running. 
> But Precious Perez and I have an interim list where we send out 
> information regarding Massachusetts stuff. So if you want the good stuff, 
> you have to contact us or the MA president, Amy Ruell. This is especially 
> important since we have state convention coming up next month and the 
> deadline to register is next week
>
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Actually, the site for joining or dropping NFB mailing lists is
>> nfbnet.org <http://nfbnet.org/>
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles 
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; 
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - 
>> Arabian proverb
>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> One can subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com web site.
>>> Feel free to join :)
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts 
>>>> student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida student 
>>>> division?
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Jan 26 19:20:39 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:20:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
In-Reply-To: <908F8A7DB74E494F8B9CA05A355606F8@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <54c16bc9.04b1ca0a.0cfa.ffffba22@mx.google.com>
	<47B90AFC-CABD-4A90-B562-D8EDAB743C3A@gmail.com>
	<C4851B99-B6AF-490C-99B1-9B4283082292@gmail.com>
	<105D6F82-56DA-47AB-8280-205FDD97C7A5@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<908F8A7DB74E494F8B9CA05A355606F8@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <5A6B5009-CF26-4BED-8719-C5AF512B321D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

We are working on it my friend!

Best wishes
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Mark J. Cadigan <kramc11 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> 
> MassABS has a list on the NFB.org server. It’s kind of disused, so perhaps some of you could liven it up…
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Manners via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Aleeha Dudley" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2015 8:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Protests on College Campuses
> 
> 
>> Massachusetts has a listserv that we are working to get up and running. But Precious Perez and I have an interim list where we send out information regarding Massachusetts stuff. So if you want the good stuff, you have to contact us or the MA president, Amy Ruell. This is especially important since we have state convention coming up next month and the deadline to register is next week
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually, the site for joining or dropping NFB mailing lists is
>>> nfbnet.org <http://nfbnet.org/>
>>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Dog Dallas
>>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>>> Both proud divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio
>>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com <mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>> “The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse’s ears.” - Arabian proverb
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> One can subscribe to any and all lists on the nfb.com web site.
>>>> Feel free to join :)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 22, 2015, at 4:29 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Derek my name is Roanna Bacchus.  Can I join the Massachusetts student email list even though I'm on the one for the Florida student division?
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com
>>>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 02:02:51 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:02:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ven Diagrams on Excel
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaiXQNUu=N2dFPkq2M05qXEz34V=Qc+PwWXtppwD50LLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaiXQNUu=N2dFPkq2M05qXEz34V=Qc+PwWXtppwD50LLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002501d039d5$5d80e510$1882af30$@gmail.com>

Kaiti,

I've never seen a Venn diagram presented in Excel in the format in which
sighted people are used to seeing them. I would just make a simple
spreadsheet with column headings for the two things you are comparing and a
"Both" heading in the middle. IMO, your professor will probably get the
point this way without you going to all the trouble of making it look like a
Venn diagram, if there's even a setting in Excel for this. After all, your
professor is probably more concerned with the content of the diagram than
the appearance of it--I would hope he/she is, at least. <Smile>

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Ven Diagrams on Excel

Hi all,

Is anyone familiar with making ven diagrams on excel?  I have a class that
is going to require me to do this, so I'm looking into the matter now.  I
have usually just made tabels or lists in 3 columns in the order of A, both,
and B, but it would be nice to actually be able to make ven diagrams in
excel if it is possible.

Thanks,


--
Kaiti

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 02:04:38 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:04:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox
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I've never been able to get that to work. A PC or iPhone is probably more reliable.

Chris

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 10:51 PM
To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Dropbox

I recently saw a demonstration of the BrailleSense and it’s ability to access dropbox. I have never heard that the Apex can do it though. I’d love to know if it can.


> On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:55 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone use Dropbox with their Braillenote Apex?  I remember hearing that this worked, but I just had to create a Dropbox account for school, and when I try to log in with my Apex it seems to be giving me a captcha that doesn't have one of those accessible audio things.  Any help you can give would be appreciated!
> 
> Karl
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 27 04:24:54 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <7630B737FF074A499C337598F3CB7A52@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’m taking a literature elective. A year or so back, I tried taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to access that outside class with a reader among other issues.

Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to help. No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.

Here are my  questions and concerns though.
Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher. I generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf. the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and spelling of some words. Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.

What ideas do you have for these issues.

1. The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for discussion.
So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me. But I am at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context. Other students can read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where the passage came from.




Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.

2. We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response or discussion board.
After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my reader to read it over.
But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could write the feedback in the paper.

3. For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t know if I will be able to comment on them. I know I could not years ago in an english class.

4. How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text soon.

The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my braille note first as I’m reading. 
I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what I want to. I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I listen.
Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and then quote it?

5. Our responses have to be a certain word count or more. I use word 2010. How do I find the word count?

Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think the professor preps too far in advance.

Thanks.

Ashley

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 27 05:04:20 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:04:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
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Hi Elif,

In my experience trying to use ebsco,  I found only pdfs.
I think you're saying that is your experience too; no html text available.

One huge problem is  I cannot change the drop down menus from saying the 
default and to say or.
Those are the boolean operators to say it in search jargon.

Can you change those? We just contacted ebsco. they told me to try using 
insert z to toggle the cursor to do it. I'll try that.

Also have you used their thesauras to find synonyms?
At least ebsco has headings for the search results; not all databases do.

Thanks.

Ashley

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From: Elif Emir Öksüz
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:44 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases

Ashley my jaws is 13.

you are right about the pdfs. most of them are pdf.
it is hard to get used to epsco. it is not the perfect accessible search 
engine.
please let me know if you have any questions.


2015-01-17 22:12 GMT-05:00, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Bridget,
> Glad you shared your experience.
> So which jaws do you use? Just wondering because sometimes versions make a
> difference.
> I use jaws 15.
>
> Have you also found gale databases problematic?
> I definitely have. I cannot click on some of the links. when I click on 
> some
> of them, nothing happens and right clicking on them with the applications
> key does not help either.
>
> Since you could not read the articles, curious if you hired a reader. that
> is what I ended up doing for library research. Not only do I need help 
> with
> articles, but the books too.
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bridget Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessibility of ebsco databases
>
> Hi Ashley,
> I go to college in New York. I have a problem finding the check boxes that
> say "full text" "peer reviewed" I can usually get to the edit fields ok. I
> have a difficult time accessing the articles I have selected in my folder. 
> I
> can get to my folder and go through the list but, like you said, the PDFS
> documents do not work. I have been tore lying on iBooks but, when I'm in 
> the
> middle of a paper siting on the computer gets difficult because I can't 
> copy
> any correct spellings easily.
> I hope this helps.
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 14, 27 Heisei, at 12:51 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As I conduct research at the library, I run into access issues with many
>> databases.
>> Not only are the pdf files hard to read with the full articles in them,
>> but searching poses problems with jaws. When trying advanced searching, I
>> cannot change the combo boxes from the default And to say “or”.
>>
>> Has anyone had issues with ebsco databases? If so which ones?
>> Another challenge is finding the search button.
>>
>> The head of the library at Northern virginia community college, called
>> nova for short, where I’m taking electives, is going to send EBSCo a note
>> about access. But it would be helpful to know other problems.
>>
>> If you are a student in a Virginia college and experience database
>> problems, please also write me off list. Maybe we can have a conference
>> call on this.
>> I’d like to hear from other students in Virginia schools so we can write
>> jointly to Ebsco and tell them the problems and request they fix them.
>> The same goes for other databases.
>>
>> When I asked about research a few  months back, some of you mentioned
>> accessible databases which you used, but for every accessible database, I
>> would guess there are 3 that are semi accessible.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Ashley
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 05:28:06 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:28:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Ashley! and all! I just wanted to tell you that I'm currently taking a English Literature class at my college and what I'm doing is that i got provided with the stories or reading in a Braille paper copy with each respective print page of the regular book. What i will recommend you to do Ashley is to talk to your  DSS advisor and ask her if you can have your stories be converted in Braille and with the respective print page of the regular book iincluded in Braille so that you can follow along in class, or read the quotes of the story as many times you would like!This is what i have for my Literature class since my Professor reads the quotes aloud and i follow along! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks so much nand God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

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> On Jan 26, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m taking a literature elective. A year or so back, I tried taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to help. No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher. I generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf. the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and spelling of some words. Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1. The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me. But I am at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context. Other students can read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2. We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
> In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3. For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t know if I will be able to comment on them. I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4. How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my braille note first as I’m reading. 
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what I want to. I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5. Our responses have to be a certain word count or more. I use word 2010. How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 05:33:52 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:33:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Ashley,

You definitely need the book in text format.  If you have a 
notetaker I would definitely suggest just doing your reading on 
there--it means you can read with whatever combination of speech 
and braille works best for you.  For instance, I generally read 
mostly in speech and occasionally look at the Braille when I care 
about spelling or formatting or where the way the speech says 
something is unclear.  Publisher files are a mess, you might try 
getting the DS office to proofread them.  You also might try 
requesting the book from bookshare, which may get you something 
relatively well edited.  Having the book on your notetaker also 
means you can look at things silently in class like everyone 
else.  You might actually be at an advantage because you can use 
the search feature while they're flipping through pages.

As for comments, if they're electronic, they should already be 
accessible to you.  I have occasionally asked for comments 
digitally, but usually, like you, I have just had someone read 
them to me if they were on a paper copy.  Especially in an 
English class you'll want to have the digital copy with the 
comments in context though.

I don't know about Blackboard these days.  Years ago it wasn't 
very accessible, but that has hopefully changed.

As for quotes, this is indeed another reason that you really need 
the books in text.  That way you can just copy and paste.  I 
can't think of anything better than trying to take dictation from 
the recording if that's what you're stuck with though.  I can't 
think of a reason that you would start a paragraph with a 
quotation.  Normally you don't use quotes unless:
1) what the author is saying is unclear and you're giving an 
interpretation,
2) you're disagreeing with what the author says and you want to 
make sure you're being fair to their position and not 
misrepresenting them, or
3) something about the turn of phrase is particularly compelling.  
In any case, the quote should be embedded in your argument, and 
you should have a reason for having it there.  As someone who's 
graded papers, there's nothing worse than a bunch of quotes that 
are not well integrated into the paper, and most people who grade 
can recognize that sort of fluff very easily.

I don't really know word, but if you have a braillenote the 
command for word count is control read i for the file information 
menu, and then scrole to the word count and press enter

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 27 05:57:50 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:57:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Karl,

Thanks.
Sounds like you gave the advice I thought was the right way to go if only I 
could do so.
Publisher files are a mess as you said but I don't know what else to do  to 
see it in text.

I'm looking now for it on bookshare.
It’s the Norton anthology, so maybe bookshare will have a popular book like 
this.
I think the best thing is to have the book on a USB drive and view it 
quietly on my notetaker if possible.
As you said, then I'd be viewing it right with everyone else.
Has anyone else done something else such as bringing a tablet to class and 
using that to hear the story through headphones?

I find it awkward to ask someone to read it while everyone is quiet and 
concentrating.
Even if the prof reads aloud for a group discussion as is often the case, I 
would like to see the text to have it in context more.

I've had trouble in the past finding and using quotes; its real challenging 
to copy it from audio.
An idea I had was  to use a reader
to skim for them and even write them in a word file for me if needed.
If I resorted to that, I'd have her note the pages for me too.
I'm a perfectionist and as I tried to do my first reading entries I found 
that not only did I not know how to spell some of the proper names, but I 
was not able to do the quotes so ended up paraphrasing instead. So, then I 
realized that I'd need to copy down quotes while reading.

Good point about integrating quotes. I'll keep that in mind; I'll put them 
in context and introduce the quote first then.

Thanks.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:33 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,

You definitely need the book in text format.  If you have a
notetaker I would definitely suggest just doing your reading on
there--it means you can read with whatever combination of speech
and braille works best for you.  For instance, I generally read
mostly in speech and occasionally look at the Braille when I care
about spelling or formatting or where the way the speech says
something is unclear.  Publisher files are a mess, you might try
getting the DS office to proofread them.  You also might try
requesting the book from bookshare, which may get you something
relatively well edited.  Having the book on your notetaker also
means you can look at things silently in class like everyone
else.  You might actually be at an advantage because you can use
the search feature while they're flipping through pages.

As for comments, if they're electronic, they should already be
accessible to you.  I have occasionally asked for comments
digitally, but usually, like you, I have just had someone read
them to me if they were on a paper copy.  Especially in an
English class you'll want to have the digital copy with the
comments in context though.

I don't know about Blackboard these days.  Years ago it wasn't
very accessible, but that has hopefully changed.

As for quotes, this is indeed another reason that you really need
the books in text.  That way you can just copy and paste.  I
can't think of anything better than trying to take dictation from
the recording if that's what you're stuck with though.  I can't
think of a reason that you would start a paragraph with a
quotation.  Normally you don't use quotes unless:
1) what the author is saying is unclear and you're giving an
interpretation,
2) you're disagreeing with what the author says and you want to
make sure you're being fair to their position and not
misrepresenting them, or
3) something about the turn of phrase is particularly compelling.
In any case, the quote should be embedded in your argument, and
you should have a reason for having it there.  As someone who's
graded papers, there's nothing worse than a bunch of quotes that
are not well integrated into the paper, and most people who grade
can recognize that sort of fluff very easily.

I don't really know word, but if you have a braillenote the
command for word count is control read i for the file information
menu, and then scrole to the word count and press enter 



From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 27 08:17:12 2015
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 00:17:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
Message-ID: <E1YG1Kh-0004ol-F7@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi=20Ashley,

As=20a=20doctoral=20candidate=20in=20English=20and=20a=20college-level=20En=
glish=20
instructor,=20let=20me=20take=20a=20stab=20at=20answering=20just=20a=20few=
=20of=20your=20
questions.

First,=20I=20would=20encourage=20you=20to=20obtain=20the=20text=20in=20a=20=
format=20you=20
can=20access=20via=20Braille=20display.=20=20This=20will=20not=20only=20all=
ow=20you=20to=20
access=20them=20in=20class=20but=20will=20also=20make=20it=20much=20easier=
=20to=20
integrate=20quotes=20into=20your=20writing,=20as=20you=20can=20simply=20pas=
te=20them=20
into=20your=20analysis.=20=20Many=20of=20the=20Norton=20anthologies=20are=20=
available=20
via=20Bookshare.=20=20If=20the=20one=20you're=20using=20isn't,=20feel=20fre=
e=20to=20
contact=20me=20directly,=20as=20I=20frequently=20teach=20from=20various=20N=
orton=20
anthologies=20and=20may=20be=20able=20to=20point=20you=20toward=20an=20acce=
ssible=20
version=20of=20the=20one=20assigned=20for=20your=20class.

Second,=20I=20would=20ask=20for=20both=20comments=20and=20handouts=20to=20b=
e=20sent=20to=20
you=20electronically.=20=20These=20are=20very=20reasonable=20accommodations=
=20to=20
request=20and=20ones=20I=20routinely=20offer=20students=20with=20no=20incon=
venience=20
to=20myself.=20=20Assuming=20you=20do=20indeed=20have=20a=20note-taker,=20y=
ou=20
shouldn't=20need=20the=20handouts=20too=20far=20in=20advance=20of=20class,=
=20so=20the=20
professor=20shouldn't=20need=20to=20alter=20his=20or=20her=20schedule=20of=
=20lesson=20
planning=20substantially.

I=20haven't=20worked=20with=20Blackboard=20or=20with=20texts=20in=20audio=20=
format,=20
so=20I=20can't=20offer=20any=20input=20on=20your=20other=20questions,=20but=
=20please=20
don't=20hesitate=20to=20be=20in=20touch=20if=20I=20can=20help=20with=20anyt=
hing=20else.

Enjoy=20the=20course!

Lucy

-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ashley=20Bramlett=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list"=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2026=20Jan=202015=2023:24:54=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20accomodations=20for=20english=20classes

Hi=20all,

I=E2=80=99m=20taking=20a=20literature=20elective.=20=20A=20year=20or=20so=20=
back,=20I=20tried=20
taking=20one=20and=20wrote=20to=20you=20all=20about=20a=20professor=20not=20=
interested=20
in=20accomodating=20me.
He=20showed=20videos=20of=20the=20literature=20he=20used=20and=20I=20would=
=20not=20be=20
able=20to=20access=20that=20outside=20class=20with=20a=20reader=20among=20o=
ther=20
issues.

Fortunately,=20my=20new=20professor=20for=20short=20story=20seems=20nice=20=
and=20
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Thanks.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 13:48:17 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:48:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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I read with jaws usually, but I also have a braille display for precision if
necessary.  -----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Karl,

Thanks.
Sounds like you gave the advice I thought was the right way to go if only I
could do so.
Publisher files are a mess as you said but I don't know what else to do  to
see it in text.

I'm looking now for it on bookshare.
It's the Norton anthology, so maybe bookshare will have a popular book like
this.
I think the best thing is to have the book on a USB drive and view it
quietly on my notetaker if possible.
As you said, then I'd be viewing it right with everyone else.
Has anyone else done something else such as bringing a tablet to class and
using that to hear the story through headphones?

I find it awkward to ask someone to read it while everyone is quiet and
concentrating.
Even if the prof reads aloud for a group discussion as is often the case, I
would like to see the text to have it in context more.

I've had trouble in the past finding and using quotes; its real challenging
to copy it from audio.
An idea I had was  to use a reader
to skim for them and even write them in a word file for me if needed.
If I resorted to that, I'd have her note the pages for me too.
I'm a perfectionist and as I tried to do my first reading entries I found
that not only did I not know how to spell some of the proper names, but I
was not able to do the quotes so ended up paraphrasing instead. So, then I
realized that I'd need to copy down quotes while reading.

Good point about integrating quotes. I'll keep that in mind; I'll put them
in context and introduce the quote first then.

Thanks.

Ashley


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Martin Adam
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:33 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,

You definitely need the book in text format.  If you have a notetaker I
would definitely suggest just doing your reading on there--it means you can
read with whatever combination of speech and braille works best for you.
For instance, I generally read mostly in speech and occasionally look at the
Braille when I care about spelling or formatting or where the way the speech
says something is unclear.  Publisher files are a mess, you might try
getting the DS office to proofread them.  You also might try requesting the
book from bookshare, which may get you something relatively well edited.
Having the book on your notetaker also means you can look at things silently
in class like everyone else.  You might actually be at an advantage because
you can use the search feature while they're flipping through pages.

As for comments, if they're electronic, they should already be accessible to
you.  I have occasionally asked for comments digitally, but usually, like
you, I have just had someone read them to me if they were on a paper copy.
Especially in an English class you'll want to have the digital copy with the
comments in context though.

I don't know about Blackboard these days.  Years ago it wasn't very
accessible, but that has hopefully changed.

As for quotes, this is indeed another reason that you really need the books
in text.  That way you can just copy and paste.  I can't think of anything
better than trying to take dictation from the recording if that's what
you're stuck with though.  I can't think of a reason that you would start a
paragraph with a quotation.  Normally you don't use quotes unless:
1) what the author is saying is unclear and you're giving an interpretation,
2) you're disagreeing with what the author says and you want to make sure
you're being fair to their position and not misrepresenting them, or
3) something about the turn of phrase is particularly compelling.
In any case, the quote should be embedded in your argument, and you should
have a reason for having it there.  As someone who's graded papers, there's
nothing worse than a bunch of quotes that are not well integrated into the
paper, and most people who grade can recognize that sort of fluff very
easily.

I don't really know word, but if you have a braillenote the command for word
count is control read i for the file information menu, and then scrole to
the word count and press enter 


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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 15:29:44 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 10:29:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
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If you can get any insurance at all on your more expensive and
valuable belongings I would highly recommend it.  (Not trying to back
the last post up, just going off my own experiences).  I've got my
BrailleSense and my musical instrument covered under my parent's home
owners insurance.  If you can't do that, I'd look into warrantees
which cover theft on things like laptops and such.

I hope you recover your items or get the money to replace them.
Although I was not on debate as my high school and college do not have
teams, I was on my high school's academic quiz team which has similar
accessibility barriers in certain rounds from what I understand.

On 1/26/15, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> On 1/26/2015 1:19 PM, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l wrote:
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> I know this can not help you now, but have you ever considered
>> getting renters insurance. Renter's insurance is a home owner's
>> product for people who rent. It normally runs between $100 to $200
>> for around $15,000 in property coverage with $100,000 in personal
>> liability protection. This coverage will replace your belongings in
>> case of fire, theft or other covered perils.
>>
>>
>>
>> For high cost accessibility items such as a Braille note taker, I
>> would recommend adding a personal articles floater to the basic
>> renter's policy, or at the very least scheduling them as scheduled
>> personal property.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps you in the future,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> To: "National Association of Blind Students
>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015
>> 5:38 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Help, please
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> This is going to sound off-topic (as it probably is extremely so),
>> but I will explain why I believe it ought to be on-topic. I am a
>> part of the University of Nevada, Reno's Debate Team. Debate, as a
>> rule, is generally inaccessible for those with visual
>> disabilities, because a lot of what is required is visual. You have
>> to write notes, reed your notes in-round and make virtually no
>> mistakes while doing so, in regards to your oppositions
>> argumentation as you are attempting to refute it. They do not
>> generally approve assistive technology, because they have had
>> incidents in the past of people using the internet mid-round, to
>> find arguments, which they did not create. My school, however, has
>> done everything they can to make this lovely activity accessible
>> for me, even though it puts a strain on them and their success at
>> times. Our coaches, who are extremely involved at the
>> administration of the league (National parliamentary Debate
>> Association) level, are trying to ensure full accessibility, in the
>> case that more blind individuals wish to participate in the
>> activity. Last night, while at a tournament in Santa Clara
>> California, our two vans were burglarized, resulting in ten
>> laptops, several laptops, personal belongings and school books/work
>> going missing. There are a few people on the team, including
>> myself, who are not socio-economically stable; and thus, items
>> cannot be replaced without assistance. I was wondering, if you
>> wonderful people could at least view the link and possibly push it
>> out on your social media, in order to help us out. Every cent will
>> go to assisting us, the students, in our educational endeavors and
>> we will be extremely grateful. Yes, I recognize that this is not
>> exactly blind related, but because of their, the league and my
>> school in particulars, attempts to make an activity, which is
>> generally inaccessible accessible, I thought I might ask. Thank you
>> in advance and I am sorry for asking this... Respectfully, Michael
>> Ausbun
>>
>> http://www.gofundme.com/krwsmw?fb_action_ids=10100411959382126&fb_action_types=og.shares&fb_ref=fb_cr_n&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%5B832270660179500%5D&action_type_map=%5B%22og.shares%22%5D&action_ref_map=%5B%22fb_cr_n%22%5D
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Jan 27 14:27:11 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 09:27:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Ashley,
I second what Lucy told you.
I am an english major I am a duel major in English and education.
I use bookshare for most all of my books. If I know I need an anthology I get them from learning ally. I am an auditory learner so I retain what I read very well. 
I take broiled notes hard copy as I read for class. They have important quotes, vocabulary, scenes to refer to etc. 
I can not follow along in the text in class. I make up for it with my notes. 
Professors will mention a passage which I will note in class and look over later. If we are in groups I will ask someone to read aloud no one minds and group members like it.
Discussion board I's and has always been a disaster. If you have a tablet access it on there. The computer is to obnoxious.
For professor comments have them provide the comments electronically through Microsoft word or email.  
I hope some of this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 27 Heisei, at 3:17 AM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other students can read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
> In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t know if I will be able to comment on them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my braille note first as I’m reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what I want to.  I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From crystalplemmons at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 16:37:14 2015
From: crystalplemmons at gmail.com (Crystal Plemmons)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:37:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Hi Ashley, 

I'm also an English major, and I take my laptop to class. Like Bridget, I get almost all of my books from bookshare and take a lot of notes. I copy the passages that I think I might need a quote from directly into my notes so I can refer to them quickly. I don't bother with audio books unless I have to. The text file is the way to go. I'm not proficient enough at braille, so I have to listen with Jaws to my notes and the text during class. It does cause a conflict sometimes because you can't hear two things at once. So, if you can, use your notetaker. 

Also, what lucy said about sending you copies of handouts before class is good. I do find that they scan things out of books a lot though, so I have to use an OCR program. That's where having the laptop all the time comes in very handy. That's what all my professors do if it isn't already on blackboard. About blackboard, it works for me with Jaws. It is annoying, but doable. Let me know if you have any specific questions about it. 

And, definitely introduce your quotes. Check out the MLA style guide for details if you have to write a paper for that class. It is on bookshare. I have also scanned the section that I need from the  textbook if I really need the page numbers for a paper. If I am doing research, I absolutely cannot use an audio version. It is just too hard to navigate. 

Good luck with your class!

Crystal 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Lucy Sirianni; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,
I second what Lucy told you.
I am an english major I am a duel major in English and education.
I use bookshare for most all of my books. If I know I need an anthology I get them from learning ally. I am an auditory learner so I retain what I read very well. 
I take broiled notes hard copy as I read for class. They have important quotes, vocabulary, scenes to refer to etc. 
I can not follow along in the text in class. I make up for it with my notes. 
Professors will mention a passage which I will note in class and look over later. If we are in groups I will ask someone to read aloud no one minds and group members like it.
Discussion board I's and has always been a disaster. If you have a tablet access it on there. The computer is to obnoxious.
For professor comments have them provide the comments electronically through Microsoft word or email.  
I hope some of this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 27 Heisei, at 3:17 AM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other students can read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
> In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t know if I will be able to comment on them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my braille note first as I’m reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what I want to.  I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 16:47:24 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 11:47:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
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Text files, for me, it is usually in word, but a text pdf will do, allow you greater power and influence over your work.  Just turn jaws up high and let a rip. Copy and paste the same way as your piers, but read much much faster.  You may have to turn jaws or what ever your screen reader is you use down a little for content.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:37 AM
To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley, 

I'm also an English major, and I take my laptop to class. Like Bridget, I get almost all of my books from bookshare and take a lot of notes. I copy the passages that I think I might need a quote from directly into my notes so I can refer to them quickly. I don't bother with audio books unless I have to. The text file is the way to go. I'm not proficient enough at braille, so I have to listen with Jaws to my notes and the text during class. It does cause a conflict sometimes because you can't hear two things at once. So, if you can, use your notetaker. 

Also, what lucy said about sending you copies of handouts before class is good. I do find that they scan things out of books a lot though, so I have to use an OCR program. That's where having the laptop all the time comes in very handy. That's what all my professors do if it isn't already on blackboard. About blackboard, it works for me with Jaws. It is annoying, but doable. Let me know if you have any specific questions about it. 

And, definitely introduce your quotes. Check out the MLA style guide for details if you have to write a paper for that class. It is on bookshare. I have also scanned the section that I need from the  textbook if I really need the page numbers for a paper. If I am doing research, I absolutely cannot use an audio version. It is just too hard to navigate. 

Good luck with your class!

Crystal 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Lucy Sirianni; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes

Hi Ashley,
I second what Lucy told you.
I am an english major I am a duel major in English and education.
I use bookshare for most all of my books. If I know I need an anthology I get them from learning ally. I am an auditory learner so I retain what I read very well. 
I take broiled notes hard copy as I read for class. They have important quotes, vocabulary, scenes to refer to etc. 
I can not follow along in the text in class. I make up for it with my notes. 
Professors will mention a passage which I will note in class and look over later. If we are in groups I will ask someone to read aloud no one minds and group members like it.
Discussion board I's and has always been a disaster. If you have a tablet access it on there. The computer is to obnoxious.
For professor comments have them provide the comments electronically through Microsoft word or email.  
I hope some of this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 27, 27 Heisei, at 3:17 AM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> As a doctoral candidate in English and a college-level English instructor, let me take a stab at answering just a few of your questions.
> 
> First, I would encourage you to obtain the text in a format you can access via Braille display.  This will not only allow you to access them in class but will also make it much easier to integrate quotes into your writing, as you can simply paste them into your analysis.  Many of the Norton anthologies are available via Bookshare.  If the one you're using isn't, feel free to contact me directly, as I frequently teach from various Norton anthologies and may be able to point you toward an accessible version of the one assigned for your class.
> 
> Second, I would ask for both comments and handouts to be sent to you electronically.  These are very reasonable accommodations to request and ones I routinely offer students with no inconvenience to myself.  Assuming you do indeed have a note-taker, you shouldn't need the handouts too far in advance of class, so the professor shouldn't need to alter his or her schedule of lesson planning substantially.
> 
> I haven't worked with Blackboard or with texts in audio format, so I can't offer any input on your other questions, but please don't hesitate to be in touch if I can help with anything else.
> 
> Enjoy the course!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 23:24:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations for english classes
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m taking a literature elective.  A year or so back, I tried taking one and wrote to you all about a professor not interested in accomodating me.
> He showed videos of the literature he used and I would not be able to access that outside class with a reader among other issues.
> 
> Fortunately, my new professor for short story seems nice and willing to help.  No videos are used and his class is very auditory with lots of discussion; sometimes in small groups and sometimes as a whole class.
> 
> Here are my  questions and concerns though.
> Note that I have the book in audio form now, but am looking for it in text form and may ask my dss office to get it from the publisher.  I generally have found publisher files unfriendly though as its pdf.  the words are often smashed together and words are broken up with hyphens as jaws reads them.
> But, I might need to try that way as I really need to see the text and spelling of some words.  Otherwise, I may have to pay a reader to read some of the stories where Learning ally readers are low quality or in situations where I need to see the spelling and quotes in the story.
> 
> What ideas do you have for these issues.
> 
> 1.  The class is asked to bring their texts and reference  passages for discussion.
> So far, the prof or a student reads the quotes to me.  But I am at a disadvantage not seeing the quotes in their context.  Other students can read further past the quote or skim the page to refresh their memory where the passage came from.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Do you bring  an accessible copy of the book to class? for instance, a brf file or text file on your braille notetaker.
> 
> 2.  We have to write about the readings either a reading journal response or discussion board.
> After writing them, how has your professor given you feedback?
> Do you ask for it electronically so you can read his/her response?
> In the past, I’ve handed in homework and professors wrote it by hand like everyone else; they would go over it with me if I asked or I just asked my reader to read it over.
> But, since the prof does it electronically via blackboard, maybe, he could write the feedback in the paper.
> 
> 3.  For the discussion boards, is that accessible? I use jaws 15.
> If you had issues, what were they? They use blackboard and we have to not only have to write a new post but also  comment on them as well, and I don’t know if I will be able to comment on them.  I know I could not years ago in an english class.
> 
> 4.  How do you work quotes into your reading responses or essays?
> Doing this auditorily is harder and I hope I can get this book in text soon.
> 
> The only way I can think of  is to copy it carefully verbatum on my braille note first as I’m reading.
> I cannot go back like everyone else and skim for quotes and then pick what I want to.  I’ll have to think about it as I read and copy it down as I listen.
> Is it okay to start a paragraph with the quote or should I explain it and then quote it?
> 
> 5.  Our responses have to be a certain word count or more.  I use word 2010.  How do I find the word count?
> 
> Also when  using handouts in class for activities, how  do you access them? Just use another student as a reader? That’s what I’ve usually done.
> I was considering trying to get handouts ahead of time, but I don’t think the professor preps too far in advance.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ashley
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:06:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Important Petition [from Alexander Kaiser]
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:11:56 -0500
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Dear Members,

I would like to give you another update on my independence.  
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 01:02:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} FW: Deadline Extended! Youth International
 Development & Foreign Affairs internship
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Please circulate among students and recent graduates with disabilities in the U.S.  We encourage applications from graduate students and from recent graduates with either a graduate degree or a bachelor’s degree.  Undergraduate students who have completed at minimum their sophomore year in college (rising juniors and seniors) may also apply.

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Subject: Deadline Extended! Youth International Development & Foreign Affairs internship






DEADLINE EXTENDED TO February 4, 2015!



 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program


The summer 2015 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program<http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=0017SzEAxVP0xuZdzTDF6Mf_y4kW4_jSqNwbWTmddykdqBPRQ3UrvAlVrNWxuBzC1zynzFaV4o5rjCs760NTd34007aehBzBBESjZvSgHlnZZEEWgnbc6ZoesOGjBaizvNehAYUPcJ3KLjFKZEhqFbgjfDCaM22leSJHTJA8M7Zej8CndwRHWBr4tuMivW9J7ZAbcate5FKoxs=&c=D6URA0K7AoTyc9eP31va1t35uqaXO891P1T86uHDiUVV16MOGRfBPQ==&ch=cdG2BW9X890NuTYauMMgkyAYKa7sMg01L31kG-EhR90Aw8yAB_h74w==> remains open for applications until February 4, 2015 at 5 pm EST.



This program is for recent graduates, graduate students, and undergraduates from across the U.S. who wish to pursue a career in international development or foreign affairs. The U.S. International Council on Disabilities (USICD) has coordinated this internship program since 2013.


[Interns pose with Program Manager for a group picture during the summer Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program]

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The summer 2015 internship program will bring a group of talented graduate students, recent graduates, and rising college juniors and seniors to Washington, DC, for nine weeks.  This will include a one-week training and orientation program followed by an eight-week internship at an international organization in the Washington, DC, area.  Each intern is usually placed at a different organization.  USICD will cover the cost of fully-accessible housing during the program, reimburse travel expenses to and from DC, and provide a limited stipend.  It is anticipated that the program will run from May 24 to July 25, 2015. These dates may be subject to change.



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From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 28 10:49:17 2015
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 10:49:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
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Well done Roanna!

On 1/27/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Members,
>
> I would like to give you another update on my independence.
> Today I found my way out of Bernet Honors College without
> assistance from anyone.  This is another small step towards
> improving my independence.
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 04:46:51 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:46:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing a link to Windows Media Player
Message-ID: <B54ACD1E4AF54EC4AE88BD919FB48F2A@Helga>

    Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is it possible to change a youtube link to Windows Media Player? I’m just wondering since it is actually an audio of a story that I need to read for tomorrow! If it is possible to do, would it be possible for one of you to do it for me? I will really appreciate it a lot! And if you have a chance, can you teach me how to do it? I actually try it to change it to MP3 player by using youtube-mp3 .org, but it dit wasn’t able to do it since it says the video is to long! I actually would like to rewine and forward it since it is a reading, but I think youtube is not so well in doing so! The story that I need to read for tomorrow is call “The Mortal Immortal” by Mary Wolstonecraft Shelly. I will really appreciate it if someone could help me with this right now! Hope to hear from you soon. TThanks so much and God bless!
P.S. The link of the youtube video  is below!Thanks again! for all your time! 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEIKe5DYrVY 
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
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"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Thu Jan 29 05:07:09 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 00:07:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing a link to Windows Media Player
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Helga:
Here's how this was uploaded. I just extracted the origenal. It's ogg,
so you'll need winamp or something else to play it. It won't work with
windows media player.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10204868/The%20Mortal%20Immortal%20by%20Mary%20Shelley.ogg
HTH,
On 1/28/2015 11:46 PM, Helga via nabs-l wrote:>     Hi everyone! How
are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is it possible to change a
youtube link to Windows Media Player? I’m just wondering since it is
actually an audio of a story that I need to read for tomorrow! If it
is possible to do, would it be possible for one of you to do it for
me? I will really appreciate it a lot! And if you have a chance, can
you teach me how to do it? I actually try it to change it to MP3
player by using youtube-mp3 .org, but it dit wasn’t able to do it
since it says the video is to long! I actually would like to rewine
and forward it since it is a reading, but I think youtube is not so
well in doing so! The story that I need to read for tomorrow is call
“The Mortal Immortal” by Mary Wolstonecraft Shelly. I will really
appreciate it if someone could help me with this right now! Hope to
hear from you soon. TThanks so much and God bless!
> P.S. The link of the youtube video  is below!Thanks again! for all
> your time! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEIKe5DYrVY Helga
> Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota
> chapter Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
> Association of Blind Students Member of The International
> Networkers Team (INT) Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life
> Research
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype:
> helga.schreiber26 4Life Website:
> http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website:
> http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 14:35:06 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:35:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader stream new generation
Message-ID: <13D47BF9-4172-4C46-9C65-1444A46B5FF3@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope everyone's semester is going well. I just purchased the Victor reader stream new generation and had a few questions. This may be a silly question, but when I turn on airplane mode the stream says, "airplane mode on," and when I turn airplane mode off the stream says, "airplane mode off." I tried looking up YouTube videos to assistme with connecting my stream to the Internet and when I listened to a YouTube or's victor stream is said, "airplane mode enabled," or, "airplane mode disable it." Does the wording make a difference? I was also wondering if someone could give me tips as to why I am unable to get connected to the Internet? I follow the instructions and put in my password but it says unable to connect. Do I need to do anything else before connecting? I made sure the password was correct and check it over three different times. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

From louvins at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 14:50:10 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:50:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader stream new generation
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Message-ID: <CADUoy9tkJ=A6ohRLx+=xyrWgVJ7ssyb05GxjGPb8ZncHVTN9ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gloria.  In order to turn your wifi feature of your victor stream
on you need to make sure your stream says airplane mode off.  The
stream does not say airplane mode enabled or disabled.  As for why you
can't connect to your wifi network I'd have to talk to you and see if
I can help you.  My email address is louvins at gmail.com.  I run a
monthly victor stream chat, and have helped a lot of people
successfully use their victor streams.  If you'd like to call me, my
number is 815-209-9817.  Have a great day.

On 1/29/15, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I hope everyone's semester is going well. I just purchased the Victor reader
> stream new generation and had a few questions. This may be a silly question,
> but when I turn on airplane mode the stream says, "airplane mode on," and
> when I turn airplane mode off the stream says, "airplane mode off." I tried
> looking up YouTube videos to assistme with connecting my stream to the
> Internet and when I listened to a YouTube or's victor stream is said,
> "airplane mode enabled," or, "airplane mode disable it." Does the wording
> make a difference? I was also wondering if someone could give me tips as to
> why I am unable to get connected to the Internet? I follow the instructions
> and put in my password but it says unable to connect. Do I need to do
> anything else before connecting? I made sure the password was correct and
> check it over three different times. Any help would be appreciated.
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Thu Jan 29 19:51:24 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:51:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship
	Program
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National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship Program

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams.  Since 1940, the members of the National Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004, we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships that empower the blind to live the lives we want.
As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and innovative thinkers who will dream, develop, and implement the next ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship program, a unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National Federation of the Blind.
Our National Federation of the Blind 2015 Summer Internship Program will provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field.  Our 2015 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. Internship placements are currently available for the summer of 2015. NFB internships will begin on June 1 and end on August 7, 2015 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the 2015 NFB National Convention to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July 5-10.
2015 summer interns will have the opportunity to engage in a variety of program areas including:
*         Access technology
*         Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility
*         Data management
*         Education programs
*         Governmental affairs
*         Information technology
*         Jacobus tenBroek Library
*         Membership building
*         NFB NEWSLINE(r) for the Blind
*         Outreach and fundraising
*         Public relations & social media
The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no other.  It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. The following are some brief comments from our 2014 Summer Interns:
"I learned during my internship at our national headquarters the true value of personal relationships. It is an emotional understanding rather than an intellectual one, and I now look at our movement in an entirely different way." Justin
"Interning at the NFB National Headquarters was certainly the most challenging but yet, rewarding experience. I cannot think of a project that hasn't challenged me, a way in which I haven't changed. During my time in Baltimore, my introverted self has found her voice. I learned to share my opinion, especially when I was in disagreement. Every project that I took on forced me to accept uncertainty, to acknowledge that not everything will go according to plan, and to go with the flow. As someone who often feels like I need to be totally prepared and completely in control, these situations have allowed me to gain confidence in my knowledge, leadership skills, and ability to think on my feet." Sarah
"During the ten-week internship at the Institute I had the opportunity to work with the Advocacy and Policy team, public relations department, IBTC, education initiatives, and so much more. One of the activities that I am most proud of was the visit of the West Virginia School for the Blind. We prepared a full schedule in which they toured the institute, met our leaders, had fun, and even broke some miss-conceptions about blindness. And all of that in about a day." Yadiel
"This entire experience has been amazing. I didn't really know what to expect when coming to Baltimore, but I wouldn't have changed it.  I've definitely grown as a person this summer. I have made amazing friendships and connections. Ten weeks go by very fast. I've always known about this organization and I have kind of been forced to be a member of it by my parents, but after this internship I am sure that the National Federation of the Blind is going to be a big part of my life. Although I am very excited to go home and enjoy my little bit of summer freedom before moving back on campus, I'm really going to miss it here." Catherine
If you are interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind, you should prepare the following materials and submit them in an accessible electronic format no later than March 13, 2015:
1.    A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous involvement you have had with the Federation.  Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship.  Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from being available from June 1 through August 7.
2.    A resume including current contact information.
3.    Two or three references with complete contact information.
Send all of your materials, preferably via email, to:
National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
Attn: Anil Lewis
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland   21230
Email: jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org?subject=National%20Federation%20of%20the%20Blind%202015%20Summer%20Internship%20Program>
Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Anil Lewis at 410-659-9314, extension 2357, or jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org?subject=National%20Federation%20of%20the%20Blind%202015%20Internship%20Program>. We anticipate selecting our 2015 internship class by April 14, 2015.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 19:53:20 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:53:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
Message-ID: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>

Hi all,
 
  Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether or not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a federationist  is or is not?
 I have personally come to believe that there isn’t such a thing as an ideal Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the Federation  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills, technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal   responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that equality, but I don’t think only certain people can achieve those things. 
 I tend to believe that while the Federation has it’s flaws (as does any organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people who come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills, interests, beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our movement are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of supporters they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind can have and abilities the blind possess).
  I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as sweet or cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being. 
  Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with  varying skills and styles.
  What do others think?
  Darian   
        

From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 20:37:22 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:37:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
References: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C1862981-EA4B-4321-BDFE-82A0C3C3C641@gmail.com>

I think you're correct and someone should write an article about this in the Braille Monitor.

Sent from my iPod

On Jan 29, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
>  Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether or not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a federationist  is or is not?
> I have personally come to believe that there isn’t such a thing as an ideal Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the Federation  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills, technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal   responsibility on the part of the blind person to  achieve that equality, but I don’t think only certain people can achieve those things. 
> I tend to believe that while the Federation has it’s flaws (as does any organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people who come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills, interests, beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our movement are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of supporters they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind can have and abilities the blind possess).
>  I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as sweet or cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being. 
>  Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with  varying skills and styles.
>  What do others think?
>  Darian   
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Jan 29 22:13:51 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:13:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
References: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC24F8A1-4C6E-47BA-8FDD-7629696E7957@icloud.com>

Darian,
You are absolutely correct. My state president told me the same thing at Washington Seminar a few days ago, and he is correct. Some people have became my friends, and some have not. Some people have become close friends, andsome have not. As for the ideal federationist, I also agree. Even people who live the federation philosophy every day and in any way posible have flaws. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether or not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a federationist  is or is not?
> I have personally come to believe that there isn’t such a thing as an ideal Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the Federation  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills, technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal   responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that equality, but I don’t think only certain people can achieve those things. 
> I tend to believe that while the Federation has it’s flaws (as does any organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people who come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills, interests, beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our movement are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of supporters they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind can have and abilities the blind possess).
>  I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as sweet or cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being. 
>  Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with  varying skills and styles.
>  What do others think?
>  Darian   
> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 29 23:34:41 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:34:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Venn Diagrams on Excel
Message-ID: <00e401d03c1c$28071cd0$78155670$@gmail.com>

Kaiti,

I'd be curious to know how you create Venn diagrams in general in Excel, let
alone as a blind person. Venn diagrams aren't one of the options under
charts. I suppose you could use the drawing tools to create the circles and
label them accordingly. You could also use the bubble chart feature. Maybe
they're using the SmartArt object feature? I know, I know. This was a whole
lot of not helpful, but I'm curious to know how they're pulling it off in
your class. Please keep us posted as to how they go about doing this. The
only other suggestion I can make is to take your data and create a pivot
table, which sort of takes you in a similar direction of better visualizing
competing data, though not as cool as the overlapping circles.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Ven Diagrams on Excel

Hi all,

Is anyone familiar with making ven diagrams on excel?  I have a class that
is going to require me to do this, so I'm looking into the matter now.  I
have usually just made tabels or lists in 3 columns in the order of A, both,
and B, but it would be nice to actually be able to make ven diagrams in
excel if it is possible.

Thanks,


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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 00:24:44 2015
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:24:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
References: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8U5ZwGtVhS=fSdEsJJZFMLGvKi9su6dUH0zEuBF7fbZFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Darian and all,
I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
want as blind people.

Best

Jonathan Franks
Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
1st Vice President
National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
 Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students
Board Member
National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network

On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>   Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether or
> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
> federationist  is or is not?
>  I have personally come to believe that there isn’t such a thing as an ideal
> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the Federation
>  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that equality,
> but I don’t think only certain people can achieve those things.
>  I tend to believe that while the Federation has it’s flaws (as does any
> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people who
> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills, interests,
> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our movement
> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of supporters
> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind can
> have and abilities the blind possess).
>   I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as sweet or
> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
>   Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with  varying
> skills and styles.
>   What do others think?
>   Darian
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 03:07:03 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:07:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <CAHEy+8U5ZwGtVhS=fSdEsJJZFMLGvKi9su6dUH0zEuBF7fbZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
	<CAHEy+8U5ZwGtVhS=fSdEsJJZFMLGvKi9su6dUH0zEuBF7fbZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4D+mtzAJ5xDbwp7V+EBxtFzOFkUG+AzDUdkapMtzGaGMHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Darian and all,

I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that there is
no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind us
together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek equality for
all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  As
federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than being
blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect with
others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
change laws that affect us.

So, I don't think there is an image of the example federationist...
Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more than just
one example blind person.  It's about all of us working together.  As
I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.

On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Darian and all,
> I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
> Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
> personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
> the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
> organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
> how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
> with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
> blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
> Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
> such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
> confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
> want as blind people.
>
> Best
>
> Jonathan Franks
> Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> 1st Vice President
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
>  Treasurer
> Texas Association of Blind Students
> Board Member
> National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network
>
> On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>   Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether
>> or
>> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
>> federationist  is or is not?
>>  I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing as an
>> ideal
>> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the
>> Federation
>>  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
>> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
>> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
>> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that
>> equality,
>> but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
>>  I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as does any
>> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people
>> who
>> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills, interests,
>> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our movement
>> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
>> supporters
>> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind can
>> have and abilities the blind possess).
>>   I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as sweet
>> or
>> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
>>   Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with
>> varying
>> skills and styles.
>>   What do others think?
>>   Darian
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
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National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 03:26:20 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 22:26:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+mtzAJ5xDbwp7V+EBxtFzOFkUG+AzDUdkapMtzGaGMHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3AFA6B55-FDA8-4FE6-9198-6F63B530ACB9@gmail.com>
	<CAHEy+8U5ZwGtVhS=fSdEsJJZFMLGvKi9su6dUH0zEuBF7fbZFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHox4D+mtzAJ5xDbwp7V+EBxtFzOFkUG+AzDUdkapMtzGaGMHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ1qZ8dzhhT5by172kOmzmUX2sXxROdjKWqoYRe=Jr0Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I think that if there were only one type of federationist there would
be new problems that would arise.  Even if this one type would be a
perfectly self-sufficient person, braille-literate, a good traveler,
employed, etc, there would be other problems created.  We're about
building an entire population of people up, not just one subset.  That
is why people have some difficulty understanding that blind people are
diverse in their own right, but if we were more homogenius there would
be even more problems with this, I think.

Think of it this way; is it more damaging to have a situation where
everyone is more or less the same, or different.  I know others as
well as myself have been in situations where we were annoyed that a
blind person who seemed less capable than we were was compared to us,
or received unnecessary handouts.  On the other hand, we need to think
of the people who are struggling to learn some skills and view the
high expectations we have for blind people as something to work up to.
It goes both ways.

On 1/29/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Darian and all,
>
> I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that there is
> no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind us
> together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek equality for
> all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  As
> federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than being
> blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
> philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect with
> others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
> change laws that affect us.
>
> So, I don't think there is an image of the example federationist...
> Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more than just
> one example blind person.  It's about all of us working together.  As
> I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.
>
> On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Darian and all,
>> I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
>> Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
>> personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
>> the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
>> organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
>> how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
>> with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
>> blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
>> Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
>> such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
>> confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
>> want as blind people.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Jonathan Franks
>> Board Member
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>> 1st Vice President
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
>>  Treasurer
>> Texas Association of Blind Students
>> Board Member
>> National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network
>>
>> On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>>   Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether
>>> or
>>> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
>>> federationist  is or is not?
>>>  I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing as an
>>> ideal
>>> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the
>>> Federation
>>>  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
>>> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
>>> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
>>> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that
>>> equality,
>>> but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
>>>  I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as does any
>>> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people
>>> who
>>> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills,
>>> interests,
>>> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our
>>> movement
>>> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
>>> supporters
>>> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind
>>> can
>>> have and abilities the blind possess).
>>>   I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as
>>> sweet
>>> or
>>> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
>>>   Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with
>>> varying
>>> skills and styles.
>>>   What do others think?
>>>   Darian
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/franks.jonathan13%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 04:28:17 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 23:28:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader App
Message-ID: <E0397103-F20D-47DA-AFC0-E538F26FBFF5@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, could one of you teach me how to use the KNFB Reader step by step by skype? I'm just wondering since I actually bought the app tonight for 50 dollars, and I would like to know how to use it well. I actually saw a demonstration in my Florida State Convention, but i wasn't able to ask questions about isnce i did not have it a and the person who was demonstrating it didn't show me in person how to use it. I will really appreciate it a lot if one of you who has the app can help me with this by showing me how to move around the app, and also wouldl like to ask specific questions regarding the app! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

P.S. If you want you can actually answer me off-list regarding this matter, since I don't want to clutter the list! Thanks again!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 11:56:44 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 06:56:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader App
In-Reply-To: <E0397103-F20D-47DA-AFC0-E538F26FBFF5@gmail.com>
References: <E0397103-F20D-47DA-AFC0-E538F26FBFF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7FD5524-0FB8-4693-91FB-6E32DC99A94C@gmail.com>

There's a great podcast on applevis.com which explains the features of the app in great detail. I learned how to use KNFB Reader mostly from this podcast. If you have further questions after listening to it, I'd be happy to help.

Chris Nusbaum

> On Jan 29, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, could one of you teach me how to use the KNFB Reader step by step by skype? I'm just wondering since I actually bought the app tonight for 50 dollars, and I would like to know how to use it well. I actually saw a demonstration in my Florida State Convention, but i wasn't able to ask questions about isnce i did not have it a and the person who was demonstrating it didn't show me in person how to use it. I will really appreciate it a lot if one of you who has the app can help me with this by showing me how to move around the app, and also wouldl like to ask specific questions regarding the app! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
> 
> P.S. If you want you can actually answer me off-list regarding this matter, since I don't want to clutter the list! Thanks again!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 16:13:14 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:13:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
Message-ID: <54cbadc0.c8158c0a.7aeb.4f99@mx.google.com>

Hi Darian I agree with you.  I believe that the Nfb believes in 
certain things such as daily living skills, access technology, 
braille, and cane travel.  People who live the federation's 
philosophy on a daily basis are trying to do things for 
themselves.  As a blind college student I live the Federation's 
philosophy each and every day.


From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jan 30 17:15:13 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:15:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
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Good morning, Kaiti,

         I guess your position attop your high horse endows you with 
the authority of determining for everyone, exactly what is a 
"necessary" hand-out? Eh?
for today, Car of At 07:26 PM 1/29/2015, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>I think that if there were only one type of federationist there would
>be new problems that would arise.  Even if this one type would be a
>perfectly self-sufficient person, braille-literate, a good traveler,
>employed, etc, there would be other problems created.  We're about
>building an entire population of people up, not just one subset.  That
>is why people have some difficulty understanding that blind people are
>diverse in their own right, but if we were more homogenius there would
>be even more problems with this, I think.
>
>Think of it this way; is it more damaging to have a situation where
>everyone is more or less the same, or different.  I know others as
>well as myself have been in situations where we were annoyed that a
>blind person who seemed less capable than we were was compared to us,
>or received unnecessary handouts.  On the other hand, we need to think
>of the people who are struggling to learn some skills and view the
>high expectations we have for blind people as something to work up to.
>It goes both ways.
>
>On 1/29/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Darian and all,
> >
> > I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that there is
> > no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind us
> > together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek equality for
> > all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  As
> > federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than being
> > blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
> > philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect with
> > others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
> > change laws that affect us.
> >
> > So, I don't think there is an image of the example federationist...
> > Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more than just
> > one example blind person.  It's about all of us working together.  As
> > I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.
> >
> > On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hello Darian and all,
> >> I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
> >> Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
> >> personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
> >> the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
> >> organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
> >> how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
> >> with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
> >> blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
> >> Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
> >> such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
> >> confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
> >> want as blind people.
> >>
> >> Best
> >>
> >> Jonathan Franks
> >> Board Member
> >> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> >> 1st Vice President
> >> National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
> >>  Treasurer
> >> Texas Association of Blind Students
> >> Board Member
> >> National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network
> >>
> >> On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>>   Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether
> >>> or
> >>> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
> >>> federationist  is or is not?
> >>>  I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing as an
> >>> ideal
> >>> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the
> >>> Federation
> >>>  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
> >>> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
> >>> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
> >>> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that
> >>> equality,
> >>> but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
> >>>  I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as does any
> >>> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people
> >>> who
> >>> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills,
> >>> interests,
> >>> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our
> >>> movement
> >>> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
> >>> supporters
> >>> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind
> >>> can
> >>> have and abilities the blind possess).
> >>>   I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as
> >>> sweet
> >>> or
> >>> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
> >>>   Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with
> >>> varying
> >>> skills and styles.
> >>>   What do others think?
> >>>   Darian
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nabs-l:
> >>> 
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> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> nabs-l:
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Julie McGinnity
> > National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
> > of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
> > graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> > "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> > 2 Cor. 7
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
>
>--
>Kaiti
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 17:26:56 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:26:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I think I've asked about this before, but I don't remember the answer.
I'm editing a document with several people using track changes. Some
of their comments are quite long. I can read the comments using JAWS
with either the control-shift-apostrophe command or the virtual
viewer. However, after a certain point in the comment, JAWS cuts it
off. I have this same problem with both the comments list and the
virtual viewer. Is there another way of reading the comments so they
don't get cut off? Thanks!
Arielle


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 17:34:28 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:34:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
Message-ID: <54cbc0b1.01996b0a.4e35.51a6@mx.google.com>

I think Kaiti can determine that some things are unnecessary, as 
can we all.  Yes there are grey areas, and yes sometimes people 
judge too quickly and assume that something isn't necessary when 
it really is, but there are clear cases.  For instance, when 
people with disabilities game the system that allows us to take 
tests in DSS offices instead of class to take tests a week after 
everyone else so they can have extra time to study.  Or when 
people with disabilities have their family members write their 
papers because "we poor blind people can't do that for 
ourselves."  Or when people use their blindness as an excuse to 
use their computer or notetaker to take exams and check their 
book or notes for the answers.  Or when blind people get out of 
math an science classes because "those classes are just too hard 
for us."  Or when blind people get their teachers to accept 
papers without using the proper citation format because "we can't 
possibly be expected to correctly use APA."

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Julie McGinnity 
<kaybaycar at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:15:13 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.

Good morning, Kaiti,

         I guess your position attop your high horse endows you 
with
the authority of determining for everyone, exactly what is a
"necessary" hand-out? Eh?
for today, Car of At 07:26 PM 1/29/2015, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
wrote:
I think that if there were only one type of federationist there 
would
be new problems that would arise.  Even if this one type would be 
a
perfectly self-sufficient person, braille-literate, a good 
traveler,
employed, etc, there would be other problems created.  We're 
about
building an entire population of people up, not just one subset.  
That
is why people have some difficulty understanding that blind 
people are
diverse in their own right, but if we were more homogenius there 
would
be even more problems with this, I think.

Think of it this way; is it more damaging to have a situation 
where
everyone is more or less the same, or different.  I know others 
as
well as myself have been in situations where we were annoyed that 
a
blind person who seemed less capable than we were was compared to 
us,
or received unnecessary handouts.  On the other hand, we need to 
think
of the people who are struggling to learn some skills and view 
the
high expectations we have for blind people as something to work 
up to.
It goes both ways.

On 1/29/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Darian and all,

 I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that 
there is
 no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind 
us
 together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek 
equality for
 all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  
As
 federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than 
being
 blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
 philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect 
with
 others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
 change laws that affect us.

 So, I don't think there is an image of the example 
federationist...
 Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more 
than just
 one example blind person.  It's about all of us working 
together.  As
 I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.

 On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hello Darian and all,
 I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of 
the
 Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
 personalities and characteristics. No organization can be 
perfect, but
 the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and 
philosophy this
 organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect 
example of
 how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different 
people
 with different personalities, but the grander mission of 
equality for
 blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this 
organization.
 Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on 
does
 such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and 
instilling
 confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the 
life we
 want as blind people.

 Best

 Jonathan Franks
 Board Member
 National Federation of the Blind of Texas
 1st Vice President
 National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
  Treasurer
 Texas Association of Blind Students
 Board Member
 National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network

 On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi all,

   Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about 
whether
 or
 not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of 
what a
 federationist  is or is not?
  I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing 
as an
 ideal
 Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that 
the
 Federation
  believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use 
of
 alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living 
skills,
 technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  
and equal
 responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve 
that
 equality,
 but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
  I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as 
does any
 organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of 
people
 who
 come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills,
 interests,
 beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  
movement/our
 movement
 are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
 supporters
 they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the 
blind
 can
 have and abilities the blind possess).
   I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be 
as
 sweet
 or
 cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human 
being.
   Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, 
with
 varying
 skills and styles.
   What do others think?
   Darian

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 Julie McGinnity
 National Federation of the Blind performing arts division 
secretary,
 Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National 
Federation
 of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
 graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
 2 Cor. 7

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 18:25:05 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 13:25:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Arielle,
I was wondering the same thing. Track changes are annoying. Also how
do you delete the comment once you have made the change?
Amanda

On 1/30/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think I've asked about this before, but I don't remember the answer.
> I'm editing a document with several people using track changes. Some
> of their comments are quite long. I can read the comments using JAWS
> with either the control-shift-apostrophe command or the virtual
> viewer. However, after a certain point in the comment, JAWS cuts it
> off. I have this same problem with both the comments list and the
> virtual viewer. Is there another way of reading the comments so they
> don't get cut off? Thanks!
> Arielle
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 18:58:06 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:58:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
In-Reply-To: <54cbc0b1.01996b0a.4e35.51a6@mx.google.com>
References: <54cbc0b1.01996b0a.4e35.51a6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9EB54EFF-B4EB-4B5E-AD07-ACC2B7FECB46@gmail.com>

As a part of that diversity, there are people who go about using accommodations that they believe work for them, and there are people who go about using accommodations that might be perceived as a little unnecessary or unfair.
To be fair, are there not people who are cited that abuse the system?  Are there members of the Federation that, for example use large print instead of braille as a reading medium for whatever reason? Other individuals that choose to work with dogs as opposed to using cane? People who don't use either a dog or a cane?  Are those people considered anymore or less members of the Federation than those who read and write in braille, use a cane?  
We believe in the federation that it is important to learn the basic tools and techniques of blindness in order to  achieve independence no matter the situation or environment, however we also believe that it is important to "meet people where they are" or two not push or turn people away based upon what their personal philosophy on blindness may or may not be.  The people that have made the most impact on me and my understanding of the organization and what we believe in, are  people who have modeled how to live the life one once as opposed to attempt to make me feel inadequate because I didn't know something that they knew. 
 It is always important to remember (or at least I think it is) that we are not a finished product.  As we go through life learning, gaining, evolving; so Dooley with our blindness.  
The truth is, no matter how much we believe we know about blindness, is always good to think about how we can learn more and get better  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2015, at 9:34 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think Kaiti can determine that some things are unnecessary, as can we all.  Yes there are grey areas, and yes sometimes people judge too quickly and assume that something isn't necessary when it really is, but there are clear cases.  For instance, when people with disabilities game the system that allows us to take tests in DSS offices instead of class to take tests a week after everyone else so they can have extra time to study.  Or when people with disabilities have their family members write their papers because "we poor blind people can't do that for ourselves."  Or when people use their blindness as an excuse to use their computer or notetaker to take exams and check their book or notes for the answers.  Or when blind people get out of math an science classes because "those classes are just too hard for us."  Or when blind people get their teachers to accept papers without using the proper citation format because "we can't possibly be expected to correctly use APA."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Julie McGinnity <kaybaycar at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 09:15:13 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The diversity in a movement.
> 
> Good morning, Kaiti,
> 
>        I guess your position attop your high horse endows you with
> the authority of determining for everyone, exactly what is a
> "necessary" hand-out? Eh?
> for today, Car of At 07:26 PM 1/29/2015, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
> I think that if there were only one type of federationist there would
> be new problems that would arise.  Even if this one type would be a
> perfectly self-sufficient person, braille-literate, a good traveler,
> employed, etc, there would be other problems created.  We're about
> building an entire population of people up, not just one subset.  That
> is why people have some difficulty understanding that blind people are
> diverse in their own right, but if we were more homogenius there would
> be even more problems with this, I think.
> 
> Think of it this way; is it more damaging to have a situation where
> everyone is more or less the same, or different.  I know others as
> well as myself have been in situations where we were annoyed that a
> blind person who seemed less capable than we were was compared to us,
> or received unnecessary handouts.  On the other hand, we need to think
> of the people who are struggling to learn some skills and view the
> high expectations we have for blind people as something to work up to.
> It goes both ways.
> 
> On 1/29/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Darian and all,
> 
> I think our members are definitely diverse.  And I agree that there is
> no one way to be a federationist.  I think our common goals bind us
> together.  We all feel that we as blind people must seek equality for
> all of uus so that we can pursue all the opportunities we wish.  As
> federationists, we have a common agenda.  It's about more than being
> blind, our preferences as blind people, or even our personal
> philosophies.  It's about moving beyond those things to connect with
> others as we work to reshape preconceived ideas of the blind and
> change laws that affect us.
> 
> So, I don't think there is an image of the example federationist...
> Mostly I don't think this because our movement is about more than just
> one example blind person.  It's about all of us working together.  As
> I understand, that's kind of what our new logo represents.
> 
> On 1/29/15, jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Darian and all,
> I completely agree. The members of the National Federation of the
> Blind and the blind population are full of numerous dynamics of
> personalities and characteristics. No organization can be perfect, but
> the reason I chose the NFB was the overall mission and philosophy this
> organization believes in. Washington Seminar is a perfect example of
> how I feel about what the NFB does best, we all are different people
> with different personalities, but the grander mission of equality for
> blind individuals holds true as to why I joined this organization.
> Also the dynamic types of projects this organization takes on does
> such a wonderful job in forming our future leaders and instilling
> confidence and the realization of knowing that we can live the life we
> want as blind people.
> 
> Best
> 
> Jonathan Franks
> Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> 1st Vice President
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas- Austin Chapter
> Treasurer
> Texas Association of Blind Students
> Board Member
> National Division of the NFB Diabetes Action Network
> 
> On 1/29/15, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
>  Recent  conversation on the list has started me thinking about whether
> or
> not there is a particular type of person who fits the ideal of what a
> federationist  is or is not?
> I have personally come to believe that there isn't such a thing as an
> ideal
> Federationist.   I think there are most certainly things that the
> Federation
> believes in,  and  practices/models such as the proficient use of
> alternative techniques (Braille, cane travel, daily living skills,
> technology), the expectation of    equal treatment in society  and equal
> responsibility   on the part of the blind person to  achieve that
> equality,
> but I don't think only certain people can achieve those things.
> I tend to believe that while the Federation has it's flaws (as does any
> organization/group of people) it/we are an  organization full of people
> who
> come from different backgrounds with a diverse set  of skills,
> interests,
> beliefs, etc.  I think  many of the members of this  movement/our
> movement
> are vital because of the types of leaders they are, the types of
> supporters
> they are and the types of believers (in the type of future  the blind
> can
> have and abilities the blind possess).
>  I think we are truly equal parts geniuses and Jerks, we can be as
> sweet
> or
> cynical as anyone and as humble or arrogant  as any other human being.
>  Basically,  I believe we come in different shapes and sizes, with
> varying
> skills and styles.
>  What do others think?
>  Darian
> 
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> --
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
> of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
> graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 30 21:23:29 2015
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 16:23:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
In-Reply-To: <CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgO3s9=RyTvBvc+rdZdBtz49QBvSoMU3Q0obxkJF1bjCLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arielle,

You can move through the comments by going to Review > Comments then
press Enter on either Previous or Next. This will put the cursor
directly into the Comments pane and allow you to read the full text of
each comment. Alternatively, you could put the cursor on the comment
you wish to read, hit Application key (or Shift plus F10) to bring up
the context menu, then select Edit Comment. In response to Amanda's
question, this context menu also contains the Delete Comment option.

Hope this helps!
Katie


On 1/30/15, Amanda Cape via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Arielle,
> I was wondering the same thing. Track changes are annoying. Also how
> do you delete the comment once you have made the change?
> Amanda
>
> On 1/30/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I think I've asked about this before, but I don't remember the answer.
>> I'm editing a document with several people using track changes. Some
>> of their comments are quite long. I can read the comments using JAWS
>> with either the control-shift-apostrophe command or the virtual
>> viewer. However, after a certain point in the comment, JAWS cuts it
>> off. I have this same problem with both the comments list and the
>> virtual viewer. Is there another way of reading the comments so they
>> don't get cut off? Thanks!
>> Arielle
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 01:06:35 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:06:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader iOS App Now Available for Only
	$49.99
Message-ID: <17DB520EDC024D1EB249CAAB4BF367E0@Helga>

Hi all! I don't know if you know it, but now the KNFB Reader is only 50 
dollars! It is only a limited offer! It's a great deal! Get it now guys! 
Hope to hear from you soon! Thanks so much and God bless!



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
-----Original Message----- 
From: Michal Nowicki via blindlaw
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 6:52 PM
To: 'Illinois Association of Blind Students List'
Cc: 'Blind Law Mailing List'
Subject: [blindlaw] KNFB Reader iOS App Now Available for Only $49.99

Hi All,



If you haven't yet purchased the KNFB Reader iOS app but are interested in
getting it, now is the time.  For a limited time, the app can be bought for
only $49.99.  I got it myself less than five minutes ago.



Best,



Michal

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 31 01:37:40 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 17:37:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <54c7f12e.366c8c0a.2bd3.ffffe1da@mx.google.com>
References: <54c7f12e.366c8c0a.2bd3.ffffe1da@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.198.1772982280.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Rona,

         Although often blind people's quest for "independence" is 
tauted by many as an end all be all, It is another way, in  my humble 
opinion, to identify when and how, you need the help/support of 
others. According to Dr.King, humans are social animals, even blind 
ones, so it is a move toward further isolation, in my opinion, to 
claim a fulfilling existence souly on your own.

So, the presence it sounds like your parents are playing in your 
quest for "independence" is, in fact, interdependence, something that 
acknowledges a reality in which no man ought to believe himself an 
island and, we ought to give back to others if in the form of showing 
how we make lives for ourselves the myriads who help us, on a regular 
basis, live the life we both want and need.
Car
408-209-3239

change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 04:59:51 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:59:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide
Message-ID: <FB48E4C667A841FF9F340A9139456FAE@Helga>

Hi all! How are you all? As I mentioned to you before regarding the KNFB Reader app that now is 50 dollars, but only for a limited time offer! I just wanted to tell you that attached to this message is the KNFB Reader Guide in PDF File and also in Microsoft Word format File in order for you to look at ok? Just to let you know, when you download the app, you can also find jthe guide in audio, by going to File explorer guys!I hope this help you guys! Let me know if you have receive it ok? I will really appreciate it  a lot! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 05:09:19 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:09:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
In-Reply-To: <CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010701d03d14$125699d0$3703cd70$@gmail.com>

Shift plus alt plus apostrophe announces the comment at the cursor.  Have
you tried that?  Shift plus control plus apostrophe lists them.   But try it
with the alt key and see what happens.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:25 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments

Arielle,
I was wondering the same thing. Track changes are annoying. Also how do you
delete the comment once you have made the change?
Amanda

On 1/30/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I think I've asked about this before, but I don't remember the answer.
> I'm editing a document with several people using track changes. Some 
> of their comments are quite long. I can read the comments using JAWS 
> with either the control-shift-apostrophe command or the virtual 
> viewer. However, after a certain point in the comment, JAWS cuts it 
> off. I have this same problem with both the comments list and the 
> virtual viewer. Is there another way of reading the comments so they 
> don't get cut off? Thanks!
> Arielle
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 05:10:18 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:10:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide
In-Reply-To: <FB48E4C667A841FF9F340A9139456FAE@Helga>
References: <FB48E4C667A841FF9F340A9139456FAE@Helga>
Message-ID: <010801d03d14$34eb4ae0$9ec1e0a0$@gmail.com>

How long is it for 49 dollars?  Has this question been asked an answered
yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:00 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students; Music Talk Mailing List;
National Association to Promote the Use of Braille for the NFB; National
Association of Guide Dog Users; Florida Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide

Hi all! How are you all? As I mentioned to you before regarding the KNFB
Reader app that now is 50 dollars, but only for a limited time offer! I just
wanted to tell you that attached to this message is the KNFB Reader Guide in
PDF File and also in Microsoft Word format File in order for you to look at
ok? Just to let you know, when you download the app, you can also find jthe
guide in audio, by going to File explorer guys!I hope this help you guys!
Let me know if you have receive it ok? I will really appreciate it  a lot!
Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter Member
of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
Students Member of The International Networkers Team (INT) Independent
Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 



From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 05:32:38 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 00:32:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide
In-Reply-To: <010801d03d14$34eb4ae0$9ec1e0a0$@gmail.com>
References: <FB48E4C667A841FF9F340A9139456FAE@Helga>
	<010801d03d14$34eb4ae0$9ec1e0a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD255D06289B46F8A88FBAD0E91C9E0E@Helga>

Hi Justin and all! I really don't know for how long is this app will be with 
this offer! I just read in the reviews when you look for the app in the app 
store that says this will be only for limited time! But I think it will be 
worth it to buy it! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God 
bless!



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
-----Original Message----- 
From: justin williams
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:10 AM
To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com ; 'National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide

How long is it for 49 dollars?  Has this question been asked an answered
yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 12:00 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students; Music Talk Mailing List;
National Association to Promote the Use of Braille for the NFB; National
Association of Guide Dog Users; Florida Association of Guide Dog Users
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader Quick Start Guide

Hi all! How are you all? As I mentioned to you before regarding the KNFB
Reader app that now is 50 dollars, but only for a limited time offer! I just
wanted to tell you that attached to this message is the KNFB Reader Guide in
PDF File and also in Microsoft Word format File in order for you to look at
ok? Just to let you know, when you download the app, you can also find jthe
guide in audio, by going to File explorer guys!I hope this help you guys!
Let me know if you have receive it ok? I will really appreciate it  a lot!
Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!
Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter Member
of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
Students Member of The International Networkers Team (INT) Independent
Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16



From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 06:05:58 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 01:05:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Macro-Economics
Message-ID: <98D91777-8384-42ED-96E9-46102BD50E28@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you know the subject of Macro-Economics? I'm just owndering since one of my friends from my college needs someone to help her with Macro-Economics class. She is actually sighted, and she actually needs a tutor since she is strugling with some things of the subject! She actually ask my other friends if they can help her, but they don't know guys! So I told her that I will contact you some of you in order to see fi you can help her with this by skype, or by giving her your contact informatin in order for her to reach you for some questions! I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help her with this! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God bless! 

P.s. if you are willing in doing me this favor and in helping her with this issue, feel free to contact me off-list regarding this matter! sicne I really don't want to clutter the list! Thanks again for all your time! :)  

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 18:36:50 2015
From: desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com (siddhi desai)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2015 00:06:50 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Macro-Economics
In-Reply-To: <98D91777-8384-42ED-96E9-46102BD50E28@gmail.com>
References: <98D91777-8384-42ED-96E9-46102BD50E28@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB34EgtR+LMcDsQYFTG7tah2GOW9iDGc9OOZ775AetBv4cAXNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Helga,
I have completed my graduate studies in Economics.

What exactly she needs in Macro econ?
Sincerely
Siddhi

On 1/31/15, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you know
> the subject of Macro-Economics? I'm just owndering since one of my friends
> from my college needs someone to help her with Macro-Economics class. She is
> actually sighted, and she actually needs a tutor since she is strugling with
> some things of the subject! She actually ask my other friends if they can
> help her, but they don't know guys! So I told her that I will contact you
> some of you in order to see fi you can help her with this by skype, or by
> giving her your contact informatin in order for her to reach you for some
> questions! I will really appreciate it a lot if you can help her with this!
> Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice
> day. God bless!
>
> P.s. if you are willing in doing me this favor and in helping her with this
> issue, feel free to contact me off-list regarding this matter! sicne I
> really don't want to clutter the list! Thanks again for all your time! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 18:44:24 2015
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 13:44:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
In-Reply-To: <010701d03d14$125699d0$3703cd70$@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJAStMaWW52_Ooakgqi1d40hvsTNTqVvXcJto-GFcJq=Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL57mpGi34PCvkE2WTh_JNNZ6cPOsoigyj0Ems677hR6+4gJNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<010701d03d14$125699d0$3703cd70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgOVznXDJpXyYHj6A-WbebE-r+RMMVY0NefRmMShOYSWMA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, control Plus Shift plus Apostrophe generally works well for
reading comments, but when a particular comment exceeds 2-3 lines JAWS
would not read the whole thing. Hence Arielle's question and my
suggested work-around.

On 1/31/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Shift plus alt plus apostrophe announces the comment at the cursor.  Have
> you tried that?  Shift plus control plus apostrophe lists them.   But try
> it
> with the alt key and see what happens.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape
> via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 1:25 PM
> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Track changes cutting off long comments
>
> Arielle,
> I was wondering the same thing. Track changes are annoying. Also how do you
> delete the comment once you have made the change?
> Amanda
>
> On 1/30/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I think I've asked about this before, but I don't remember the answer.
>> I'm editing a document with several people using track changes. Some
>> of their comments are quite long. I can read the comments using JAWS
>> with either the control-shift-apostrophe command or the virtual
>> viewer. However, after a certain point in the comment, JAWS cuts it
>> off. I have this same problem with both the comments list and the
>> virtual viewer. Is there another way of reading the comments so they
>> don't get cut off? Thanks!
>> Arielle
>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 19:03:44 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:03:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] QR code readers
Message-ID: <54cd271f.4378320a.60b0.ffffa3f8@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
What, in your experience, is the best and most accessible QR code 
reader for the IPhone?
I would really like one that can also fully read ingredient 
labels.
Thanks,
Vejas


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 19:19:58 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:19:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] QR code readers
In-Reply-To: <54cd271f.4378320a.60b0.ffffa3f8@mx.google.com>
References: <54cd271f.4378320a.60b0.ffffa3f8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <385010F3-4A10-4B8C-80E7-515931AA0B85@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas. Do you have an iPhone? If you do, have you consider buying gthe KNFB Reader app? just wondering. I really don't know if it reads food labels yet, but I think it does. I'm still need to lear n how to use it. I recommend you to buy it! It is now for 50 dollars, since it use to be 100 dollars! However, it will be only be for 50 dollars for a limitted time ok? Hope to hear form you soon. thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What, in your experience, is the best and most accessible QR code reader for the IPhone?
> I would really like one that can also fully read ingredient labels.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 31 23:08:06 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:08:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally help for finding zipped file
Message-ID: <272978FC43A94E72A192A7CE7C383C91@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I have the download manager on a laptop. Its not the easiest to use; you have to tab through all the frames.

Anyway, rather than download the manager on my desktop, I want to unzip the file.

Can anyone help? where do I find the zipped file link? I located the book already in the catalog. I added it to bookshelf although I don’t think I need to. No where do I see a way to get the zipped file. I’m only finding book details such as copy right and ISBN.. 
So where can I locate the zipped file to download?

Thanks.

Ashley

From tbrown.brl at gmail.com  Sat Jan 31 23:30:12 2015
From: tbrown.brl at gmail.com (Tom Brown)
Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:30:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] QR code readers
In-Reply-To: <385010F3-4A10-4B8C-80E7-515931AA0B85@gmail.com>
References: <54cd271f.4378320a.60b0.ffffa3f8@mx.google.com>
	<385010F3-4A10-4B8C-80E7-515931AA0B85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76CEE81B-B0F0-46DB-BD40-5EB05AB9E4FF@gmail.com>

Hello Vejas

I use Digit Eyes. It's a barcode scanner app that recognizes most grocery items. It will list in gradients, nutrition facts, and sometimes instructions on how to prepare the item. It's a $20 purchase, but I find it to be worth the price. 
Hope this helps  

Tom Brown
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas. Do you have an iPhone? If you do, have you consider buying gthe KNFB Reader app? just wondering. I really don't know if it reads food labels yet, but I think it does. I'm still need to lear n how to use it. I recommend you to buy it! It is now for 50 dollars, since it use to be 100 dollars! However, it will be only be for 50 dollars for a limitted time ok? Hope to hear form you soon. thanks and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2015, at 2:03 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> What, in your experience, is the best and most accessible QR code reader for the IPhone?
>> I would really like one that can also fully read ingredient labels.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
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