[nabs-l] 5 Reasons Why Guide Dogs Are a Terrible Idea!

Karl Martin Adam kmaent1 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 22:17:34 UTC 2015 

Yes,=20this=20happened,=20and=20rightly=20so.=20=20The=20government=20of=20=
Hawaii=20is=20
trying=20to=20protect=20their=20environment=20from=20invasive=20species=20
including=20parasites=20found=20on=20dogs,=20so=20they=20require=20quaranti=
ne=20for=20
animals=20being=20brought=20into=20the=20state.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20James=20Hulme=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20<mausbun at unr.edu>,=20National=20Association=20=
of=20
Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,jsoro620 at gmail.com
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2023=20Mar=202015=2017:56:45=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=205=20Reasons=20Why=20Guide=20Dogs=20Are=20a=20Te=
rrible=20
Idea!

As=20far=20as=20I=20know.=20Someone=20with=20a=20guide=20dog=20could=20not=
=20visit=20their=20
relativs
in=20Hawaii=20by=20going=20on=20a=20plane=20with=20a=20guide=20dog.=20The=20=
person=20was=20
traveling
from=20California=20to=20Hawaii.=20If=20anyone=20finds=20this=20news=20stor=
y=20please=20
fwd.=20me
the=20link=20off-list=20at=20jim.hulme at gmail.com



Also,=20Dusty's=20law=20was=20appealed=20by=20the=20state=20of=20Arizona.=20=
I=20do=20not=20
even=20have
a=20guide=20dog=20but=20I=20follow=20the=20national=20and=20NJ=20news=20oft=
en.


Perhaps=20you=20can=20find=20this=20as=20interesting=20information=20and=20=
shed=20
some=20light=20on
your=20thoughts.

Please=20correct=20me=20if=20I=20am=20wrong.


Jimmy=20Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com




On=20Mon,=20Mar=2023,=202015=20at=202:49=20PM,=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=
=20nabs-l=20<
nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Both=20the=20author,=20and=20a=20few=20of=20the=20responders,=20have=20o=
utlined=20that=20
the
=20headline=20is=20indicative=20of=20the=20articles=20content.=20That=20is,=
=20the=20
blog=20post
=20outlines=20precisely=20what=20the=20title=20says.=20Moreover,=20the=20fi=
rst=20rule=20
of
=20successful=20marketing,=20of=20any=20sort,=20is=20to=20shock=20ones=20au=
dience.=20
Thus,=20in=20a
=20situation=20where=20likely=20greater=20than=20fifty=20percent=20of=20the=
=20
audience=20are=20guide
=20dog=20users,=20an=20individual=20ought=20to=20isolate=20the=20negative=20=
aspects,=20
when
=20marketing.=20It=20causes=20guide=20dog=20users=20to=20say,=20=E2=80=9CWa=
it=20what!=E2=80=9D=20
then=20they=20read
=20the=20article,=20and=20often,=20act=20out=20in=20the=20way=20they=20did.=
=20Those=20who=20
act=20out
=20cause=20more=20people=20to=20wonder=20what=20is=20occurring,=20which=20c=
auses=20them=20
to=20look=20at
=20it,=20and=20if=20they=20don=E2=80=99t=20act=20the=20way=20the=20previous=
=20people=20did,=20
then=20the=20author
=20is=20vindicated.=20In=20this=20instance,=20provocative=20rhetoric=20trum=
ps=20
insecurities,
=20which=20probably=20should=20not=20even=20exist.

=20Just=20a=20little=20side=20note,=20as=20well,=20the=20author=20has=20pos=
ted=20things=20
from=20his
=20blog=20before.=20In=20conjunction=20with=20it=20being=20a=20blog,=20shou=
ld=20have=20
been
=20reasonable=20justification=20for=20knowing=20that=20it=20was=20an=20opin=
ion=20
piece.

=20________________________________________
=20From:=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20on=20behalf=20of=20Jedi=20=

Moerke=20via
=20nabs-l=20[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
=20Sent:=20Sunday,=20March=2022,=202015=205:03=20PM
=20To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
=20Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=205=20Reasons=20Why=20Guide=20Dogs=20Are=20a=20=
Terrible=20
Idea!

=20It's=20not.=20I=20just=20don't=20understand=20why=20someone=20would=20kn=
owingly=20
use=20a
=20headline=20like=20that=20in=20a=20community=20where=20some=20folks=20cou=
ld=20
reasonably=20be
=20offended.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Mar=2022,=202015,=20at=206:51=20PM,=20Jamie=20Principato=20
<blackbyrdfly at gmail.com
=20wrote:

=20Why=20is=20guide=20dog=20use=20a=20topic=20calling=20for=20a=20special=20=
level=20of=20
sensitivity?
=20Sensitivity=20to=20what?=20It's=20a=20choice=20just=20like=20cane=20use=
=20is.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Mar=2022,=202015,=20at=205:47=20PM,=20Jedi=20Moerke=20via=20nabs-l=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20wrote:

=20There=20is=20something=20to=20be=20said=20for=20using=20a=20vocative=20h=
eadlines,=20
but=20there
=20is=20also=20something=20to=20be=20said=20for=20cultural=20awareness=20an=
d=20
sensitivity.

=20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone

=20On=20Mar=2020,=202015,=20at=202:16=20AM,=20Justin=20Harford=20via=20nabs=
-l=20<
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20I=20agree.



=20On=20Mar=2019,=202015,=20at=208:41=20PM,=20Brice=20Smith=20via=20nabs-l=
=20<
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Did=20those=20of=20you=20who=20feel=20offended=20actually=20read=20the=20=
blog,
=20particularly=20the=20explanations=20under=20the=20heading,=20"Damn!=20An=
y=20
Words=20of
=20Encouragement?"

=20The=20subject=20line=20is=20purposely=20and=20brilliantly=20provocative-=
-the=20
kind
=20that=20gathers=20almost=20a=20dozen=20responses=20in=20just=20a=20couple=
=20of=20hours.=20
Joe
=20clearly=20understands=20how=20to=20use=20rhetoric=20to=20make=20a=20comp=
elling=20
argument,
=20and=20some=20of=20the=20knee-jerk=20reactions=20on=20this=20list=20to=20=
this=20post=20
were
=20disappointing.


=20Brice



=20On=203/19/15,=20Littlefield,=20Tyler=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=
>=20
wrote:
=20-----BEGIN=20PGP=20SIGNED=20MESSAGE-----
=20Hash:=20SHA1

=20Positives?=20You=20can=20summarize=20this=20up=20in=205=20really=20fast=
=20points.=20I=20
seen
=20no=20positives=20and=20really,=20the=20negatives=20aren't=20huge=20drawb=
acks=20
that
=20were
=20listed.
=20I=20mean,=20if=20you=20want=20to=20tell=20people=20not=20to=20get=20a=20=
dog,=20you=20surely=20
can
=20do
=20better=20than=20that.

=20But=20I'll=20address=20each=20of=20these=20points=20in=20turn.
=201.=20It's=20expensive!
=20It=20can=20be,=20yes.=20There=20are=20programs=20like=20GDB=20offers=20t=
o=20help=20with=20
vet
=20bills,=20so=20the=20food=20and=20grooming=20are=20really=20all=20I=20hav=
e=20to=20pay=20
for.
=20That
=20and=20toys,=20which=20we=20probably=20spend=20way=20to=20much=20money=20=
on.=20More=20
money
=20than=20I=20would=20usually=20spend?=20Certainly,=20but=20it's=20nowhere=
=20near=20a=20
lot
=20(and=20I'm=20a=20student=20living=20on=20a=20budget).=20It's=20also=20we=
ll=20worth=20the
=20money.

=202.=20It's=20inconvenient!
=20Yes,=20taking=20your=20dog=20out=20must=20be=20such=20hard=20work.=20Wai=
t,=20I=20do=20it=20
every
=20day,=20what=20am=20i=20talking=20about?=20It's=20not=20fun=20when=20you'=
re=20sick=20and=20
yes,
=20finding=20a=20trash=20can=20be=20kind=20of=20tough.=20That's=20why=20O'M=
ally=20and=20
Minh's
=20viva=20know=20"find=20the=20trash."=20That's=20also=20when=20social=20sk=
ills=20come=20
into
=20play.=20"Excuse=20me=20mam,=20do=20you=20see=20a=20trashcan=20nearby?"=20=
Works=20every
=20time.
=20If=20you're=20at=20an=20unfamiliar=20hotel,=20you=20just=20ask=20at=20th=
e=20front=20desk=20
and
=20they're=20usually=20pretty=20cool=20about=20it.=20Airports=20also=20have=
=20
relieving
=20areas.=20Unless=20you=20travel=20twice=20a=20week,=20a=20couple=20hours=
=20of=20
slightly
=20less
=20leg=20room=20(and=20I'm=20fairly=20tall)=20is=20really=20not=20that=20bi=
g=20of=20a=20deal.

=203.=20It's=20time-consuming!
=20Yes,=20having=20a=20dog=20does=20take=20time.=20You'd=20think=20this=20w=
ould=20be
=20inherently
=20obvious,=20but=20it=20was=20needed=20to=20be=20pointed=20out=20here.=20Y=
ou=20don't=20
need=20to
=20go=20for=2012=20mile=20runs,=20O'mally=20and=20I=20have=20left=20today=20=
to=20relieve=20
and
=20that
=20was=20pretty=20much=20it.=20I=20played=20with=20him=20and=20listened=20t=
o=20a=20book=20and=20
sat
=20with=20him=20on=20the=20floor=20for=20a=20bit.=20He's=20totally=20happy=
=20and=20hasn't
=20demolished=20anything.

=204.=20It's=20unwelcomed=20attention!
=20I=20find=20it=20kind=20of=20funny=20you're=20talking=20about=20being=20c=
overt=20and=20
not
=20making=20a=20name=20for=20yourself=20with=20complaints=20when=20the=20NF=
B=20files=20
more
=20lawsuits=20than=20I=20can=20keep=20up=20with.=20But=20beyond=20that,=20I=
've=20never=20
been
=20turned=20down=20from=20eating=20because=20I=20have=20a=20dog.=20Cabs,=20=
certainly;=20
we=20all
=20have.=20If=20an=20establishment=20turns=20me=20down,=20I'll=20make=20sur=
e=20that=20
people
=20know=20they=20did=20it=20and=20they're=20not=20treating=20me=20equally.=
=20Just=20
because
=20I'm
=20blind=20doesn't=20mean=20I=20should=20sit=20in=20the=20corner=20and=20ho=
pe=20that=20
things
=20get
=20better;=20I=20want=20to=20educate=20people.=20I've=20had=20a=20lot=20of=
=20really=20
amazing
=20people=20come=20up=20and=20talk=20to=20me=20and=20ask=20questions=20abou=
t=20my=20guide.=20
It
=20certainly=20does=20get=20a=20bit=20trying=20at=20times,=20but=20in=20no=
=20way=20is=20it=20a=20
huge
=20problem.=20I=20am=20sorry=20however=20if=20you're=20not=20the=20center=20=
of=20the=20
topics
=20and
=20people=20do=20ask=20about=20your=20dog.=20It=20happens.

=205.=20It=20can=20be=20dirty=20work!
=20Best=20not=20ever=20get=20sick=20by=20yourself=20then,=20or=20have=20kid=
s,=20or=20
anything
=20else.=20Yes,=20it=20can=20be=20tough.=20If=20you're=20squeamish=20maybe=
=20it's=20not=20
for
=20you.=20Cleaning=20up=20doggy=20vomit=20really=20isn't=20the=20best=20par=
t=20of=20my=20
day,
=20but
=20you=20do=20it.=20mostly=20because=20these=20dogs=20do=20so=20much=20for=
=20you=20and=20if
=20O'mally
=20is=20sick=20I'm=20worried=20about=20him=20and=20just=20want=20him=20to=20=
get=20better.=20
You=20do
=20it=20because=20you=20love=20your=20dog.

=20"If=20you=20were=20contemplating=20a=20dog,=20came=20across=20this=20pos=
t=20and=20felt
=20discouraged,=20you=20should=20not=20get=20a=20dog.=20It's=20a=20lot=20of=
=20work.=20It's=20
a=20lot
=20of=20responsibility.
=20It's=20constant=20care=20and=20attention=20and=20a=20commitment=20to=20k=
eep=20up=20the
=20dog's
=20level=20of=20training.=20No=20one=20will=20fault=20you=20for=20being=20m=
ature=20enough=20
to
=20walk=20away."

=20So=20let=20me=20sum=20this=20up:=20expensive;=20inconvenient;=20time-con=
suming;
=20unwelcome=20attention;=20messy=20work.=20Yeah,=20I'd=20say=20you=20proba=
bly=20
shouldn't
=20have=20a=20dog.=20Please=20though,=20do=20try=20to=20at=20least=20provid=
e=20
constructive
=20and
=20good=20information=20on=20both=20sides=20of=20this=20issue.=20The=20issu=
es=20you=20
raised
=20were=20incredibly=20self-centered,=20rude,=20generalizing=20and=20really=
=20
didn't
=20convey=20any=20issues=20beyond=20negative=20criticism.

=20My=20guide=20does=20amazing=20work=20each=20and=20every=20day.=20when=20=
I=20pick=20up=20
his
=20harness,=20he's=20by=20my=20side,=20tail=20wagging=20ready=20to=20work=20=
for=20me.=20He=20
only
=20asks=20that=20I=20give=20him=20love,=20attention=20and=20take=20care=20o=
f=20him=20with=20
vet
=20visits,=20grooming=20and=20toys.=20Given=20the=20amount=20of=20travel=20=
that=20he=20
has
=20enabled=20me=20to=20do=20(I=20am=20and=20was=20proficient=20with=20a=20c=
ane),=20I=20think=20
it
=20only=20fitting=20that=20I=20pay=20for=20his=20food,=20give=20him=20atten=
tion,=20clean=20
up
=20after=20him=20when=20he's=20sick=20and=20treat=20him=20well.=20My=20guid=
e=20loves=20me,=20
no
=20questions=20asked.=20while=20I=20somewhat=20understand=20these=20points,=
=20I=20
think
=20anyone=20who=20has=20actually=20had=20a=20guide=20would=20really=20agree=
=20that=20they=20
are
=20huge=20issues=20that=20should=20prevent=20you=20from=20getting=20one.

=20At=20first,=20this=20looked=20like=20a=20trolling=20post;=20it=20still=20=
feels=20like=20
a
=20trolling=20post.

=20Be=20well,
=20Ty
=20On=203/19/2015=2010:20=20PM,=20Justin=20Harford=20via=20nabs-l=20wrote:
=20At=20first,=20this=20looked=20like=20a=20trolling=20post,=20but=20after=
=20I=20actually
=20read=20the=20article,=20I=20=20enjoyed=20it.

=20It=20is=20a=20very=20frank=20and=20honest=20examination=20of=20the=20pos=
itives=20and
=20negatives=20of=20one=20individual's=20experience=20with=20a=20guide=20do=
g,=20and
=20clearly=20reads=20as=20the=20opinion=20of=20one=20person.

=20Regards=20Justin



=20On=20Mar=2019,=202015,=20at=206:52=20PM,=20Juanita=20Herrera=20via=20nab=
s-l
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Being=20a=20guide=20dog=20user=20myself,=20I=20found=20the=20blog=20offe=
nsive=20and
=20thought=20of=20how=20other=20guide=20dog=20handlers=20might=20feel.=20I=
=20didn't=20
want
=20to=20generalize=20like=20the=20blog=20seems=20to=20do=20but=20I=20felt=20=
that=20if=20I=20
felt
=20offended=20by=20it=20many=20other=20people=20would=20have=20too.=20I=20w=
ould=20have
=20appreciated=20it=20more=20if=20somewhere=20in=20the=20blog=20post=20it=20=
would=20have
=20been=20acknowledged=20that=20this=20was=20one=20person's=20opinion,=20an=
d=20not
=20make=20it=20seen=20as=20if=20though=20everyone=20possessed=20the=20same=
=20opinion.
=20Being=20that=20I=20am=20a=20guide=20dog=20user=20and=20have=20been=20for=
=20three=20years,
=20it=20has=20been=20one=20of=20the=20best=20experiences=20of=20my=20life.=
=20I=20would=20
never
=20change=20it=20for=20anything,=20and=20I=20don't=20consider=20going=20bac=
k=20to=20using
=20a=20cane=20after=20I=20have=20to=20retire=20my=20dog.=20Therefore,=20I=20=
highly
=20disagree=20with=20the=20blog=20post.=20However,=20I=20must=20reinstate=20=
that=20this
=20is=20simply=20my=20opinion.=20Juanita

=20On=20Mar=2019,=202015,=20at=206:28=20PM,=20minh=20ha=20via=20nabs-l
=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20I=20agree=20with=20Aleeha's=20sentiments=20one=20hundred=20percent.=20Ov=
er
=20generalization=20is=20a=20huge=20mistake=20to=20do=20under=20any=20circu=
mstances,
=20and=20this=20blog=20post=20was=20offensive=20to=20me=20and=20other=20gui=
de=20dog
=20handlers=20on=20so=20many=20levels.=20If=20you=20want=20to=20write=20a=20=
fair=20and
=20informative=20blog=20post=20about=20the=20guide=20dog=20lifestyle,=20the=
n=20by
=20all=20means,=20point=20out=20the=20negative=20aspects,=20but=20do=20not
=20conveniently=20forget=20to=20mention=20the=20thousand=20of=20other=20mor=
e
=20positive=20and=20beneficial=20impacts=20that=20a=20guide=20dog=20can=20h=
ave=20on=20a
=20person's=20life.=20Yes,=20a=20guide=20dog=20is=20not=20the=20right=20cho=
ice=20for
=20everyone=20and=20a=20blind=20person=20needs=20to=20think=20long=20and=20=
hard=20before
=20getting=20one,=20but=20for=20the=20right=20reasons,=20a=20guide=20dog=20=
can
=20completely=20turn=20someone's=20life=20around=20and=20give=20them=20the
=20confidence=20in=20order=20to=20live=20life=20more=20productively.=20Hone=
stly,
=20your=20five=20reasons=20seem=20very=20childish,=20and=20i=20have=20to=20=
wonder=20if
=20they=20are=20that=20important=20to=20you,=20then=20you=20should=20be
=20contemplating=20about=20getting=20another=20guide=20dog=20at=20all.

=20Respectfully,=20Minh=20and=20my=20hard=20working=20little=20guide,=20Viv=
a

=20On=203/19/15,=20Aleeha=20Dudley=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20wrote:=20Personally,=20I=20find=20your=20subject=20line=20a=20bit=20offe=
nsive,
=20as=20it=20assumes=20that=20guide=20dogs=20are=20a=20terrible=20idea=20fo=
r
=20everyone.=20Being=20the=20proud=20handler=20of=20a=20wonderful=20dog=20m=
yself,
=20and=20a=20quite=20independent=20cane=20traveller=20before=20that,=20I=20=
am=20a
=20bit=20upset=20as=20what=20I=20find=20to=20be=20a=20somewhat=20inflammato=
ry=20post.
=20You=20are=20right;=20guide=20dogs=20are=20not=20for=20everyone.=20They=20=
are=20a
=20huge=20responsibility=20and=20need=20a=20lot=20of=20daily=20care.=20But=
=20to=20say
=20that=20there=20are=20five=20reasons=20why=20a=20guide=20dog=20is=20a=20t=
errile=20idea
=20seems=20to=20be=20going=20too=20far,=20especially=20addressing=20such=20=
a
=20large=20body=20of=20people=20such=20as=20that=20on=20this=20list.=20Now,=
=20having
=20clicked=20the=20link=20and=20read=20the=20blog,=20I=20know=20that=20you=
=20are
=20making=20an=20attempt=20to=20be=20fair=20and=20point=20out=20the=20disad=
vantages,
=20but=20to=20not=20point=20out=20that=20this=20was=20a=20blog=20post=20or=
=20an=20opinion
=20article,=20can=20make=20some=20folks=20pretty=20mad=20fairly=20quickly.=
=20Can
=20wa=20choose=20our=20words=20and=20subject=20lines=20a=20little=20more=20=
wisely
=20next=20time?=20Aleha=20and=20Dallas,=20Seeing=20Eye=20dog=20extrordinair=
e

=20On=203/19/15,=20Joe=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:=20If
=20you're=20blind,=20you=20obviously=20read=20Braille.=20Your=20hearing=20m=
ust
=20naturally=20be=20superior=20to=20your=20sighted=20peers,=20and=20of=20co=
urse
=20you=20have=20a=20guide=20dog!=20Right?

=20Well,=20that=20last=20may=20not=20be=20as=20pervasive=20as=20the=20first=
=20and
=20second.=20Someone=20recently=20told=20me=20the=20number=20of=20guide=20d=
og
=20users=20has=20actually=20declined=20in=20my=20millennial=20generation.=20=
I
=20have=20no=20evidence=20proving=20this=20one=20way=20or=20the=20other,=20=
but=20for
=20the=20general=20public,=20to=20see=20a=20blind=20person=20with=20a=20gui=
de=20dog
=20feels=20as=20natural=20as=20butter=20and=20toast.

=20Thing=20is,=20I'm=20not=20so=20sure=20guide=20dogs=20are=20right=20for
=20everyone.=20Or,=20maybe=20I'm=20just=20projecting=20my=20own
=20uncertainties=20onto=20the=20rest=20of=20the=20community?

=20Last=20November=20I=20took=20the=20first=20step=20in=20the=20application=

=20process=20to=20return=20for=20a=20second=20Seeing=20Eye=20dog.=20It's=20=
been
=20more=20than=20three=20years=20since=20I=20lost=20Gator,=20and=20even=20t=
hough
=20I've=20gotten=20around=20just=20fine=20with=20a=20white=20cane,=20I=20am=

=20approaching=20what=20feels=20like=20the=20final=20years=20with=20sight,
=20however=20minimal=20that=20sight=20might=20be.=20I=20admit=20it's=20unne=
rving
=20if=20I=20sit=20still=20long=20enough=20to=20contemplate=20total=20blindn=
ess.
=20NFB=20philosophy=20be=20damned,=20and=20the=20thought=20of=20an=20extra=
=20set
=20of=20eyes=20to=20help=20me=20navigate=20the=20world=20does=20bring=20a=20=
measure
=20of=20comfort.=20But,=20is=20it=20enough=20to=20go=20get=20another=20dog?=


=20In=20no=20particular=20order,=20here=20are=20reasons=20why=20a=20guide=20=
dog
=20would=20be=20a=20terrible=20idea:

=20Read=20more:


=20
http://serotalk.com/2015/03/18/5-reasons-why-guide-dogs-are-a-ter
rible-idea/
=20-=20--
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=20Twitter:=20 at ScribblingJoe




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