[nabs-l] 5 Reasons Why Guide Dogs Are a Terrible Idea!
James Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com
Mon Mar 23 21:56:45 UTC 2015
As far as I know. Someone with a guide dog could not visit their relativs
in Hawaii by going on a plane with a guide dog. The person was traveling
from California to Hawaii. If anyone finds this news story please fwd. me
the link off-list at jim.hulme at gmail.com
Also, Dusty's law was appealed by the state of Arizona. I do not even have
a guide dog but I follow the national and NJ news often.
Perhaps you can find this as interesting information and shed some light on
your thoughts.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com
On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Both the author, and a few of the responders, have outlined that the
> headline is indicative of the articles content. That is, the blog post
> outlines precisely what the title says. Moreover, the first rule of
> successful marketing, of any sort, is to shock ones audience. Thus, in a
> situation where likely greater than fifty percent of the audience are guide
> dog users, an individual ought to isolate the negative aspects, when
> marketing. It causes guide dog users to say, “Wait what!” then they read
> the article, and often, act out in the way they did. Those who act out
> cause more people to wonder what is occurring, which causes them to look at
> it, and if they don’t act the way the previous people did, then the author
> is vindicated. In this instance, provocative rhetoric trumps insecurities,
> which probably should not even exist.
>
> Just a little side note, as well, the author has posted things from his
> blog before. In conjunction with it being a blog, should have been
> reasonable justification for knowing that it was an opinion piece.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Jedi Moerke via
> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 5:03 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 5 Reasons Why Guide Dogs Are a Terrible Idea!
>
> It's not. I just don't understand why someone would knowingly use a
> headline like that in a community where some folks could reasonably be
> offended.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 22, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why is guide dog use a topic calling for a special level of sensitivity?
> Sensitivity to what? It's a choice just like cane use is.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 22, 2015, at 5:47 PM, Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is something to be said for using a vocative headlines, but there
> is also something to be said for cultural awareness and sensitivity.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 20, 2015, at 2:16 AM, Justin Harford via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I agree.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Brice Smith via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Did those of you who feel offended actually read the blog,
> >>>> particularly the explanations under the heading, "Damn! Any Words of
> >>>> Encouragement?"
> >>>>
> >>>> The subject line is purposely and brilliantly provocative--the kind
> >>>> that gathers almost a dozen responses in just a couple of hours. Joe
> >>>> clearly understands how to use rhetoric to make a compelling argument,
> >>>> and some of the knee-jerk reactions on this list to this post were
> >>>> disappointing.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Brice
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 3/19/15, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Positives? You can summarize this up in 5 really fast points. I seen
> >>>>> no positives and really, the negatives aren't huge drawbacks that
> were
> >>>>> listed.
> >>>>> I mean, if you want to tell people not to get a dog, you surely can
> do
> >>>>> better than that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But I'll address each of these points in turn.
> >>>>> 1. It's expensive!
> >>>>> It can be, yes. There are programs like GDB offers to help with vet
> >>>>> bills, so the food and grooming are really all I have to pay for.
> That
> >>>>> and toys, which we probably spend way to much money on. More money
> >>>>> than I would usually spend? Certainly, but it's nowhere near a lot
> >>>>> (and I'm a student living on a budget). It's also well worth the
> money.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. It's inconvenient!
> >>>>> Yes, taking your dog out must be such hard work. Wait, I do it every
> >>>>> day, what am i talking about? It's not fun when you're sick and yes,
> >>>>> finding a trash can be kind of tough. That's why O'Mally and Minh's
> >>>>> viva know "find the trash." That's also when social skills come into
> >>>>> play. "Excuse me mam, do you see a trashcan nearby?" Works every
> time.
> >>>>> If you're at an unfamiliar hotel, you just ask at the front desk and
> >>>>> they're usually pretty cool about it. Airports also have relieving
> >>>>> areas. Unless you travel twice a week, a couple hours of slightly
> less
> >>>>> leg room (and I'm fairly tall) is really not that big of a deal.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. It's time-consuming!
> >>>>> Yes, having a dog does take time. You'd think this would be
> inherently
> >>>>> obvious, but it was needed to be pointed out here. You don't need to
> >>>>> go for 12 mile runs, O'mally and I have left today to relieve and
> that
> >>>>> was pretty much it. I played with him and listened to a book and sat
> >>>>> with him on the floor for a bit. He's totally happy and hasn't
> >>>>> demolished anything.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4. It's unwelcomed attention!
> >>>>> I find it kind of funny you're talking about being covert and not
> >>>>> making a name for yourself with complaints when the NFB files more
> >>>>> lawsuits than I can keep up with. But beyond that, I've never been
> >>>>> turned down from eating because I have a dog. Cabs, certainly; we all
> >>>>> have. If an establishment turns me down, I'll make sure that people
> >>>>> know they did it and they're not treating me equally. Just because
> I'm
> >>>>> blind doesn't mean I should sit in the corner and hope that things
> get
> >>>>> better; I want to educate people. I've had a lot of really amazing
> >>>>> people come up and talk to me and ask questions about my guide. It
> >>>>> certainly does get a bit trying at times, but in no way is it a huge
> >>>>> problem. I am sorry however if you're not the center of the topics
> and
> >>>>> people do ask about your dog. It happens.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5. It can be dirty work!
> >>>>> Best not ever get sick by yourself then, or have kids, or anything
> >>>>> else. Yes, it can be tough. If you're squeamish maybe it's not for
> >>>>> you. Cleaning up doggy vomit really isn't the best part of my day,
> but
> >>>>> you do it. mostly because these dogs do so much for you and if
> O'mally
> >>>>> is sick I'm worried about him and just want him to get better. You do
> >>>>> it because you love your dog.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "If you were contemplating a dog, came across this post and felt
> >>>>> discouraged, you should not get a dog. It's a lot of work. It's a lot
> >>>>> of responsibility.
> >>>>> It's constant care and attention and a commitment to keep up the
> dog's
> >>>>> level of training. No one will fault you for being mature enough to
> >>>>> walk away."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So let me sum this up: expensive; inconvenient; time-consuming;
> >>>>> unwelcome attention; messy work. Yeah, I'd say you probably shouldn't
> >>>>> have a dog. Please though, do try to at least provide constructive
> and
> >>>>> good information on both sides of this issue. The issues you raised
> >>>>> were incredibly self-centered, rude, generalizing and really didn't
> >>>>> convey any issues beyond negative criticism.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My guide does amazing work each and every day. when I pick up his
> >>>>> harness, he's by my side, tail wagging ready to work for me. He only
> >>>>> asks that I give him love, attention and take care of him with vet
> >>>>> visits, grooming and toys. Given the amount of travel that he has
> >>>>> enabled me to do (I am and was proficient with a cane), I think it
> >>>>> only fitting that I pay for his food, give him attention, clean up
> >>>>> after him when he's sick and treat him well. My guide loves me, no
> >>>>> questions asked. while I somewhat understand these points, I think
> >>>>> anyone who has actually had a guide would really agree that they are
> >>>>> huge issues that should prevent you from getting one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> At first, this looked like a trolling post; it still feels like a
> >>>>> trolling post.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Be well,
> >>>>> Ty
> >>>>>> On 3/19/2015 10:20 PM, Justin Harford via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>>> At first, this looked like a trolling post, but after I actually
> >>>>>> read the article, I enjoyed it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It is a very frank and honest examination of the positives and
> >>>>>> negatives of one individual's experience with a guide dog, and
> >>>>>> clearly reads as the opinion of one person.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards Justin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:52 PM, Juanita Herrera via nabs-l
> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Being a guide dog user myself, I found the blog offensive and
> >>>>>>> thought of how other guide dog handlers might feel. I didn't want
> >>>>>>> to generalize like the blog seems to do but I felt that if I felt
> >>>>>>> offended by it many other people would have too. I would have
> >>>>>>> appreciated it more if somewhere in the blog post it would have
> >>>>>>> been acknowledged that this was one person's opinion, and not
> >>>>>>> make it seen as if though everyone possessed the same opinion.
> >>>>>>> Being that I am a guide dog user and have been for three years,
> >>>>>>> it has been one of the best experiences of my life. I would never
> >>>>>>> change it for anything, and I don't consider going back to using
> >>>>>>> a cane after I have to retire my dog. Therefore, I highly
> >>>>>>> disagree with the blog post. However, I must reinstate that this
> >>>>>>> is simply my opinion. Juanita
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2015, at 6:28 PM, minh ha via nabs-l
> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I agree with Aleeha's sentiments one hundred percent. Over
> >>>>>>>> generalization is a huge mistake to do under any circumstances,
> >>>>>>>> and this blog post was offensive to me and other guide dog
> >>>>>>>> handlers on so many levels. If you want to write a fair and
> >>>>>>>> informative blog post about the guide dog lifestyle, then by
> >>>>>>>> all means, point out the negative aspects, but do not
> >>>>>>>> conveniently forget to mention the thousand of other more
> >>>>>>>> positive and beneficial impacts that a guide dog can have on a
> >>>>>>>> person's life. Yes, a guide dog is not the right choice for
> >>>>>>>> everyone and a blind person needs to think long and hard before
> >>>>>>>> getting one, but for the right reasons, a guide dog can
> >>>>>>>> completely turn someone's life around and give them the
> >>>>>>>> confidence in order to live life more productively. Honestly,
> >>>>>>>> your five reasons seem very childish, and i have to wonder if
> >>>>>>>> they are that important to you, then you should be
> >>>>>>>> contemplating about getting another guide dog at all.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Respectfully, Minh and my hard working little guide, Viva
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 3/19/15, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote: Personally, I find your subject line a bit offensive,
> >>>>>>>>> as it assumes that guide dogs are a terrible idea for
> >>>>>>>>> everyone. Being the proud handler of a wonderful dog myself,
> >>>>>>>>> and a quite independent cane traveller before that, I am a
> >>>>>>>>> bit upset as what I find to be a somewhat inflammatory post.
> >>>>>>>>> You are right; guide dogs are not for everyone. They are a
> >>>>>>>>> huge responsibility and need a lot of daily care. But to say
> >>>>>>>>> that there are five reasons why a guide dog is a terrile idea
> >>>>>>>>> seems to be going too far, especially addressing such a
> >>>>>>>>> large body of people such as that on this list. Now, having
> >>>>>>>>> clicked the link and read the blog, I know that you are
> >>>>>>>>> making an attempt to be fair and point out the disadvantages,
> >>>>>>>>> but to not point out that this was a blog post or an opinion
> >>>>>>>>> article, can make some folks pretty mad fairly quickly. Can
> >>>>>>>>> wa choose our words and subject lines a little more wisely
> >>>>>>>>> next time? Aleha and Dallas, Seeing Eye dog extrordinaire
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 3/19/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: If
> >>>>>>>>>> you're blind, you obviously read Braille. Your hearing must
> >>>>>>>>>> naturally be superior to your sighted peers, and of course
> >>>>>>>>>> you have a guide dog! Right?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Well, that last may not be as pervasive as the first and
> >>>>>>>>>> second. Someone recently told me the number of guide dog
> >>>>>>>>>> users has actually declined in my millennial generation. I
> >>>>>>>>>> have no evidence proving this one way or the other, but for
> >>>>>>>>>> the general public, to see a blind person with a guide dog
> >>>>>>>>>> feels as natural as butter and toast.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thing is, I'm not so sure guide dogs are right for
> >>>>>>>>>> everyone. Or, maybe I'm just projecting my own
> >>>>>>>>>> uncertainties onto the rest of the community?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Last November I took the first step in the application
> >>>>>>>>>> process to return for a second Seeing Eye dog. It's been
> >>>>>>>>>> more than three years since I lost Gator, and even though
> >>>>>>>>>> I've gotten around just fine with a white cane, I am
> >>>>>>>>>> approaching what feels like the final years with sight,
> >>>>>>>>>> however minimal that sight might be. I admit it's unnerving
> >>>>>>>>>> if I sit still long enough to contemplate total blindness.
> >>>>>>>>>> NFB philosophy be damned, and the thought of an extra set
> >>>>>>>>>> of eyes to help me navigate the world does bring a measure
> >>>>>>>>>> of comfort. But, is it enough to go get another dog?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> In no particular order, here are reasons why a guide dog
> >>>>>>>>>> would be a terrible idea:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Read more:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> http://serotalk.com/2015/03/18/5-reasons-why-guide-dogs-are-a-terrible-idea/
> >>>>> - --
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> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>>
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