From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Sun Nov  1 19:34:24 2015
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:34:24 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
Message-ID: <68B7156D-12F7-488A-A691-43EAA29F8070@ymail.com>

BS'D

Dear NABS,

I would love to know how you chose your career path?

I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.

I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).

Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.

I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.

I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Nov  1 19:46:07 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:46:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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You know what I say? There's no such thing as being "too endependent!" If
you want to get your P.H.D. in Comparative Literature, go for it! Who cares
if you don't know any blind people who have done it before? I want to get
my P.H.D. in Neuroscience, and I don't know any blind people who have done
that either! So what? That just makes people like us cooler, because we're
pioniers! Go out there and do it, if it's what you want!

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> BS'D
>
> Dear NABS,
>
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
>
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't
> know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
>
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult;
> and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would
> love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind
> people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
>
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any
> people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and
> hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
>
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand
> what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too
> independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
>
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 19:53:24 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:53:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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Hi Leye,

I chose my career path based on my interests and my skills. I really like to work with children, so I figured I wanted to be in some sort of childcare or maybe education. I also found that I really liked speaking in front of people or working with other people, which led me to understand that working in the education system would be a good path for me. Then I factored in the skills that I have – assistive Technology, self advocacy skills, ability to work with others in groups or one-on-one, etc. and decided that I wanted to become a Teacher of Students with Visual Impairments. I've been thinking about this for several years of course and have come up with many different ways to achieve that goal, through different majors in my college and extracurricular activities that I participate in, but that's essentially how I chose my career path in a not shell.

Meaghan

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
President of Wheelock Student Theater 
Wheelock College Class of 2018
ropermeaghan at gmail.com

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
> 
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
> 
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
> 
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
> 
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
> 
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Nov  1 20:22:09 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 12:22:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS51AB8E9AEE909E0802593EDC2E0@phx.gbl>
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	<SNT407-EAS51AB8E9AEE909E0802593EDC2E0@phx.gbl>
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Of course, the counterintuitiveness of expecting that blind people 
will chance to grope the wall in search of signage, to me, 
exemplifies how Ol'Sighty and the average blink cannot, just cannot, 
see eye2eye.
Car t 04:19 AM 10/31/2015, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l wrote:
>The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to 
>providing access for the blind other than the sometimes availability 
>of braille signs you may find in a building. What a waist of 
>overnment services.
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning 
> to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive 
> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too 
> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, 
> but this semester may get the better of me.
> > I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues 
> in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
> accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> > Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in 
> his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see 
> anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this 
> semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and 
> does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC 
> to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is 
> what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, 
> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We 
> have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make 
> the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the 
> screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the 
> program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable 
> to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it 
> wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill 
> this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't 
> have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase 
> one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it 
> arrives, the semester will be over.
> > HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to 
> slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the 
> midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you 
> get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any 
> slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost 
> begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> > Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does 
> it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for 
> my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, 
> but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> > English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the 
> beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the 
> hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) 
> Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other 
> sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the 
> quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop 
> her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out 
> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra 
> credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see 
> the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure 
> everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a 
> class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent 
> me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that 
> important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to 
> her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised 
> by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is 
> stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I 
> also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of 
> notes once a week.
> > ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in 
> my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to 
> tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind 
> at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up 
> these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the 
> situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got 
> someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone 
> above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her 
> enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has 
> been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone 
> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, 
> nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> > Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, 
> and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to 
> laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because 
> how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> > It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the 
> university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get 
> better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors 
> almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have 
> fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new 
> councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the 
> ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may 
> have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD 
> "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want 
> access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I 
> back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, 
> and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve 
> access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> > I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings 
> tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear 
> my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
> > Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 20:43:51 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:43:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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	<CANvQTY47_=osJ_tNX0m4WQzmE1=H=ARZGunGRfuPPmDfDQ_9Ng@mail.gmail.com>
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Go for it; get that PHD.
Justin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 2:46 PM
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Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?

You know what I say? There's no such thing as being "too endependent!" If you want to get your P.H.D. in Comparative Literature, go for it! Who cares if you don't know any blind people who have done it before? I want to get my P.H.D. in Neuroscience, and I don't know any blind people who have done that either! So what? That just makes people like us cooler, because we're pioniers! Go out there and do it, if it's what you want!

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> BS'D
>
> Dear NABS,
>
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
>
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I 
> don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
>
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an 
> adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability 
> pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I 
> don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
>
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've 
> any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps 
> and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
>
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here 
> understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman 
> here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
>
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 20:54:39 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:54:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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Don't listen to the folks who say you are too independent. 
Second, if you are going to get a PHD, make sure you know what you want to do with it.  Are you looking to be a professor and teach?  Are you looking to help change policy?  Make sure you know how you plan to use that.  Ask you-self What jobs can you get?  
Justin

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Cc: Leye-Shprintse Öberg <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?

BS'D

Dear NABS,

I would love to know how you chose your career path?

I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.

I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).

Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.

I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.

I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 21:18:52 2015
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:18:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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I once got this great piece of advice. Do what makes you money and minor in what you love. 
I think you should do what makes you happy. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 11:34, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
> 
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
> 
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
> 
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
> 
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
> 
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sun Nov  1 21:39:26 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:39:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
In-Reply-To: <5FC96CE4-5B2F-4048-A343-762BA1C9DCAA@gmail.com>
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	<5FC96CE4-5B2F-4048-A343-762BA1C9DCAA@gmail.com>
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I have always been told "Do what you love the money will follow"

It doesn't matter if you make good money, if you hate going to work everyday

On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Caitlin Best via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I once got this great piece of advice. Do what makes you money and minor
> in what you love.
> I think you should do what makes you happy.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 1, 2015, at 11:34, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > BS'D
> >
> > Dear NABS,
> >
> > I would love to know how you chose your career path?
> >
> > I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't
> know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
> >
> > I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult;
> and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would
> love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind
> people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
> >
> > Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any
> people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and
> hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
> >
> > I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here
> understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here,
> I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
> >
> > I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> > LeSholom,
> > Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> > leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> > http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> > Envoyé de mon iPhone
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 22:58:57 2015
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:58:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 13:34, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
> 
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
> 
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
> 
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
> 
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
> 
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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I am majoring in physics. I have met a couple of blind physicists, but I'm not sure if they are pursuing the astro side or other areas. I'm going for it because I love it. I don't care what anybody says.

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 01:17:55 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 20:17:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] THE 2016 NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND NATIONAL
	SCHOLARSHIP APPLICATION IS NOW LIVE!
Message-ID: <02d701d1150c$4d84e180$e88ea480$@gmail.com>

Good evening NABS members and leaders:

 

                Are you legally blind? 

Do you reside in the United States, the District of Columbia, or Puerto
Rico? 

Are you pursuing or planning to pursue a full-time, postsecondary course of
study at a U.S. institution in the 2016 scholastic year?

Are you available to attend the entire NFB National Convention in Orlando,
FL from June 30-July 5?

Are you eager to meet Federation leaders and network with some of the
brightest, most passionate mentors out there?

 

If you said yes to all of these questions, then I strongly encourage you to
apply to our 2016 National Scholarship Program!

To recognize achievement by blind scholars, the National Federation of the
Blind annually offers blind college students in the United States and Puerto
Rico the opportunity to win one of thirty merit-based, national-level
scholarships ranging in value of $3,000 to $12,000. All scholarships awarded
are based on academic excellence, community service, and leadership.

 

As a 2013 scholarship recipient, I can honestly say that I spent a week with
remarkable people, interacted with blind students and professionals from all
over the country, and found a family that I am ever so grateful to have. The
experience is one you will never forget. I personally encourage each of you
to take advantage of this. Beyond the much needed financial support, the
relationships gained are invaluable. Like Chairperson Patti Chang always
says: "There is truly only one way to win an NFB scholarship: that is to
apply."

 

Visit our website at http://www.nfb.org/scholarships to begin your
application!

Remember: applications, along with all necessary documents, must be
submitted no later than March 31, 2016. I highly recommend that you do not
wait until the end of February to start gathering additional information and
beginning the online form.

As you browse around the website, you can find lists of previous winners. It
is always helpful to reach out to them for advice, personal anecdotes, and
different perspectives.

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back!

 

Apply, apply, apply!

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com> 

 


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 02:12:07 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 21:12:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Food, Fun,
	Philosophy and Friendship: Activities for Students in Ocean City
Message-ID: <001901d11513$e060feb0$a122fc10$@gmail.com>

Dear Fellow Federationists:

 

As I write this, we're two short weeks away from the 49th annual convention
of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland-a time of information,
inspiration and fellowship which will empower all of us to live the lives we
want and continue to transform dreams into reality. As students, we are a
vital part of the work of the Federation. For this reason, your MDABS
Convention Planning Committee has been hard at work planning a wide array of
activities just for students which will be packed with learning, empowerment
and a whole lot of fun! Here's what we have planned just for you in Ocean
City:

 

Business Meeting:

 

As always, the focal point of our activities at convention will be our
annual business meeting, which will take place on Friday, November 13 from
2:00-4:00 PM. We have a jam-packed agenda planned for this exciting seminar,
including: remarks from a blind chemistry professor who shows that blindness
is not what holds you back from participating in science at the college
level, an informational presentation on the ABLE Act and how it benefits
blind students, a panel of successful blind college students who will share
their experiences in higher education, and much more. We are excited to
welcome to Maryland the Secretary/Treasurer of the National Association of
Blind Students, Kathryn Webster, who will be providing us with an update on
what NABS is doing at the national level and how you can get involved.
Please see the attached agenda for more detailed information on all the
dynamic presentations we have scheduled for this meeting.

 

Would you like to get your registration done ahead of time, skip the lines
and get into the meeting early? Thanks to the hard work of our national rep,
Kathryn Webster, that's now possible! For the first time, we have made a
preregistration form
<file:///C:\Users\Christopher\Documents\Bills%20from%20Chris>  available
which will allow you to register for our business meeting ahead of time. You
need only pay your $5 dues at the meeting, and you'll be ready to go. We are
asking that everyone who is planning to attend the meeting fill out this
preregistration form, whether or not we already have your contact
information. Just click on the above link, follow the prompts,, and contact
me with any questions.

 

Luncheon:

 

But that's not all! On Saturday afternoon, November 14, we will hold a
special luncheon just for students. This will be a time for you to relax and
get to know our members and leaders in an informal setting. We will also
hear from our national representative, Jeannie Massay, as well as our NABS
rep, Kathryn Webster. These dynamic ladies will share their personal stories
with us, emphasizing how the Federation has changed their lives. We are sure
that this will be an inspiration to us all. Oh, and did I mention free
pizza? That's right, I said free! All students are welcome, so come take
part in the food, fun and friendship!

 

If you have any questions about activities for students at the NFB of
Maryland convention, please write to me at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. We look
forward to an exciting convention filled with opportunities to learn,
network and have a great time building the Federation. See you in Ocean
City!

 

Live the life you want,

 

Chris Nusbaum, Chairman

Convention Planning Committee

Maryland Association of Blind Students

 

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President

Greater Carroll County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

Vice President, Maryland Association of Blind Students

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @NFBMD

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

 

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From sharlyn at tbase.com  Mon Nov  2 14:50:00 2015
From: sharlyn at tbase.com (Sharlyn)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:50:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Only a few weeks left to have your voice heard. Share you
	experience!
Message-ID: <93d73c0a77ed45f8b143898c6fa6180d@MBX07A-IAD3.mex06.mlsrvr.com>

November 15th is the final day to submit your feedback on the availability of accessible information from your North American service providers. T-Base's customers-the corporate community-are keenly interested in this topic and want to know how to improve the user experience. Yet, in order to gather and share the findings, feedback from the blind community is needed to make the final report statistically sound. By completing the surveys, you can have your say. So this is a deadline you do not want to miss!

Comments we've received from respondents so far:

"This is a great initiative, as it invites consumers who are blind, like myself, to share what it's like to request and obtain documents in alternate formats. I think it's important that service providers have this information."

"The surveys are quick and easy to do. Anyone with a visual impairment should provide feedback. After all, doing so will benefit the entire blind community."

"There are so few questionnaires that give us the opportunity to tell our service providers what works and what doesn't. I can see this paving the way for greater accessibility in several industries."

If you haven't done so already, please complete one or more of the following questionnaires by November 15th:

List of 5 items:
* Accessibility: Call Center:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-call-center-questionnaire-0
* Accessibility: In-Person Experience:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-walk-questionnaire
* Accessibility: Online or Mobile App:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-online-or-mobile-app-qustionnaire
* Delivery of Requested Accessible Documents:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/delivery-requested-accessible-documentation-questionnaire
* Satisfaction with Accessible Documents:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/satisfaction-accessible-documentation-questionnaire-0
List end

Thank you!

Sharlyn Ayotte
Consumer Engagement Officer
T-Base Communications
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From valentinoma19 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 16:54:01 2015
From: valentinoma19 at gmail.com (valentinoma19 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:54:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello and thank you.
Message-ID: <ABBD8236-CB84-4EAD-AA26-ED2AF8283B92@gmail.com>

Hello and thank you for adding me to the National Association of Blind Students.  I look forward to working with you all. It was a pleasure to meet everyone at the 2015 Virginia convention.

Michael Valentino
On FB
@valntno - Twitter
Valentinoma19 at gmail.com
#VALNTNO
Cell - (804) 513-6261

From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:05:27 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:05:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
Message-ID: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>

Hi there.
I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to 
me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but 
my jaws doesn't like it.
Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, 
how did you resolve it?
How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure 
out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?

Thanks,

Abby


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:23:57 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:23:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
Message-ID: <5637b861.46c30d0a.d4ce8.38f0@mx.google.com>

I know there are ways around this, but it's always been easiest 
for me to ask professors to make comments in text.  Usually what 
I'll have them do is put the comments in square brackets [like 
this] so I can search for the bracket and find the comments.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:05:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper

Hi there.
I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it 
back to
me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the 
paper, but
my jaws doesn't like it.
Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If 
so,
how did you resolve it?
How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me 
figure
out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?

Thanks,

Abby

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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Mon Nov  2 19:30:05 2015
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:30:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <5637b861.46c30d0a.d4ce8.38f0@mx.google.com>
References: <5637b861.46c30d0a.d4ce8.38f0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <341912D7-F2B0-4788-B56D-47EB001E6BD8@fuse.net>

I use NVDA and I feel like it directly read the comments. Gmail html view for attachments may also help with this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know there are ways around this, but it's always been easiest for me to ask professors to make comments in text.  Usually what I'll have them do is put the comments in square brackets [like this] so I can search for the bracket and find the comments.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:05:27 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
> 
> Hi there.
> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to
> me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but
> my jaws doesn't like it.
> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so,
> how did you resolve it?
> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure
> out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Abby
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:30:36 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 11:30:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <5637b861.46c30d0a.d4ce8.38f0@mx.google.com>
References: <5637b861.46c30d0a.d4ce8.38f0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAA7kn21tK+Ru0o1LwKfQ0QVSpDpV=PvJXJ9iUbNaZKZg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Abby. To read the list of comments in the document, press
control-shift-apostrophe. You can also move around the document until
you hear "has comment" then press shift-F10 to bring up a context
menu, then click on "edit comment" and you can scroll through the
comment.
Arielle

On 11/2/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I know there are ways around this, but it's always been easiest
> for me to ask professors to make comments in text.  Usually what
> I'll have them do is put the comments in square brackets [like
> this] so I can search for the bracket and find the comments.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:05:27 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>
> Hi there.
> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it
> back to
> me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the
> paper, but
> my jaws doesn't like it.
> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If
> so,
> how did you resolve it?
> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me
> figure
> out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abby
>
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From jordystringer83 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 19:46:33 2015
From: jordystringer83 at gmail.com (Jordy Stringer)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 14:46:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>
References: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>

Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from
within an application.
Best,

Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5
Say the line and column of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete
Toggle the writing mode from Insert to Overtype  Alt+Control+I
Say the first cell in the current column  Insert+Space, T, Alt+1
Say the first cell in the current row  Insert+Space, T, Alt+5
Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4
Say the version of MS Word being used  Control+JAWSKey+V
Move the focus to the first form field  Control+JAWSKey+Home
List fields  JAWSKey+F5
List tables  control+JAWSKey+t
List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L
List grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G
List document revisions  JAWSKey+Shift+R
List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B
List objects such as clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O
List reviewers' comments  Control+Shift+apostrophe
List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f
List document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e
List headings in the current document  JAWSKEY+F6
List hyperlinks in the current document  JAWSKey+f7
List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W
Describe the border around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
Alt+Shift+B
Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C
Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C
Say the row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R
Say the current table column Alt+Windows+Period
Say the current table row Alt+Windows+Comma
Move to and say the prior table column Windows+Alt+LeftArrow
Move to and say the next table column Windows+Alt+RightArrow
Move to and say the prior table row Windows+Alt+UpArrow
Move to and say the next table row Windows+Alt+DownArrow
Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a
Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  Alt+Shift+Apostrophe
Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at the cursor location
Alt+Shift+e
Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R
Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in original or final view
without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
Windows+Semicolon.
Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6
Mark place in the current document  Control+Windows+k.
Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
Select text between the marked place and the current position in the current
document  Insert+Space, M.

List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S
Show Smart Tag Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S

For Office 2003:
If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and the
document window.
Press ESCAPE to close this message.

Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
Phone: 317-629-4639
E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
"A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from
them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you bac.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Abby Bolling
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper

Hi there.
I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to me. He
used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but my jaws
doesn't like it.
Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, how
did you resolve it?
How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure out
an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?

Thanks,

Abby

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  2 20:24:24 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:24:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Will You Be Joining the Michigan Association of Blind
	Students This Weekend?
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS96993A089F6FFF1B011F1DBA2C0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Recently I sent out an announcement regarding all the exciting activities
the Michigan Association of Blind Students is planning as a part of the
Michigan state convention for this upcoming weekend in Lansing, Michigan.

I just thought I would send out a friendly reminder for people to fill out
our short survey to help us get a head count for the restaurant dinner on
Friday as well as the business meeting lunch on Saturday. So if you are
planning to join the Michigan Association of Blind Students this weekend,
please visit https://goo.gl/r4iG5A to let us know that you are planning to
join us this weekend.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth Mohnke
Convention Spokesperson,
Michigan Association of Blind Students


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 22:11:32 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron Linson)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:11:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?
In-Reply-To: <F73B20B9-85AA-4597-8D54-69388B4F25AB@gmail.com>
References: <68B7156D-12F7-488A-A691-43EAA29F8070@ymail.com>
	<F73B20B9-85AA-4597-8D54-69388B4F25AB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f101d115bb$6efd0b80$4cf72280$@gmail.com>

You could say thatmy studies found me. I've always loved music and technology, however I couldn't figure out how to put them together. My degree is in audio production and I love every bit of it. From recording awesome musicians, to the technical computer aspects of it. I am legally blind so I can see a little bit but what I can't see, doesn't stop me from anything. If you want to go for a PHD then do it, don't let anybody ever tell you that you can't. If you work hard enough and love what you do the money will come. I truly believe that.  
Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Turning Disability into Ability 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 5:59 PM
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Cc: Mariya Vasileva <mkvnfb94 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Choosing a Career?



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2015, at 13:34, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Dear NABS,
> 
> I would love to know how you chose your career path?
> 
> I'm preparing my B.A. in Comparative Literature this spring and I don't know if I'll continue with a M.A. or if I'll try to join the work force.
> 
> I've never had a clear dream of what I want to become when I'm an adult; and I'm still wounds after my 6 years with a disability pension. I would love to get a Ph.D in Comparative Literature, but I don't know any Blind people who've take that route (I live in Sweden).
> 
> Where few (totally) Blind people go to the university here, so I've any people to look up to! My route so far hasn't been free from bumps and hardships, but I'm still swimming even if some days are harder than others.
> 
> I don't know why I write this, but where few Blind people here understand what I'm talking about. I'm not your average Blind woman here, I'm too independent according to my Blind acquaintances.
> 
> I need your fresh perspectives. Thanks for listening!
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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I am majoring in physics. I have met a couple of blind physicists, but I'm not sure if they are pursuing the astro side or other areas. I'm going for it because I love it. I don't care what anybody says.
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 23:49:11 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:49:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] MUST-READ ARTICLE!
Message-ID: <05a001d115c9$12dbf5b0$3893e110$@gmail.com>

Hey NABS,

 

Do you want to get involved at school, but don't even know where to begin?

Are you passionate about a club, organization, or hobby, but fear not being
accepted by your peers?

Do you doubt your abilities on account of your blindness?

Do you enjoy learning about fellow Federationist, and, in particular, fellow
blind students?

 

If you said yes to any of the above questions, then I have just the right
article for you!

Bre Brown, an ethical leader, hard worker, incredible musician, and most of
all, a dear friend, has shared with us some of her personal experiences in
regard to getting involved at school.

Join me in reading one of our student slate articles written by NABS 2nd VP,
Bre Brown. You can find her blog post here:

http://nabslink.org/content/getting-involved-because-we-can

 

We can live the life we want. Blindness will not hold us back! 

Please feel free to write an article of your own and send it to our
Communications Committee Chair, Bre Brown, at bre.brown24 at gmail.com
<mailto:bre.brown24 at gmail.com> 

We are always intrigued by our members' experiences and perspectives and
would love to hear from you!

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com> 

 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 02:02:08 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:02:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
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NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:02:54 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:02:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
References: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>
	<03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>

the biggest problem I seem to be having is that Jaws will lock up on me 
and not read anything in the paper at all. I can get it to read some 
comments if I go to the top of the file and do an insert down arrow, but 
that's it.
I can't edit or do anything like that

On 11/2/2015 2:46 PM, Jordy Stringer via nabs-l wrote:
> Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
> You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from
> within an application.
> Best,
>
> Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
> Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5
> Say the line and column of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete
> Toggle the writing mode from Insert to Overtype  Alt+Control+I
> Say the first cell in the current column  Insert+Space, T, Alt+1
> Say the first cell in the current row  Insert+Space, T, Alt+5
> Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4
> Say the version of MS Word being used  Control+JAWSKey+V
> Move the focus to the first form field  Control+JAWSKey+Home
> List fields  JAWSKey+F5
> List tables  control+JAWSKey+t
> List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L
> List grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G
> List document revisions  JAWSKey+Shift+R
> List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B
> List objects such as clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O
> List reviewers' comments  Control+Shift+apostrophe
> List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f
> List document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e
> List headings in the current document  JAWSKEY+F6
> List hyperlinks in the current document  JAWSKey+f7
> List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W
> Describe the border around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
> Alt+Shift+B
> Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C
> Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C
> Say the row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R
> Say the current table column Alt+Windows+Period
> Say the current table row Alt+Windows+Comma
> Move to and say the prior table column Windows+Alt+LeftArrow
> Move to and say the next table column Windows+Alt+RightArrow
> Move to and say the prior table row Windows+Alt+UpArrow
> Move to and say the next table row Windows+Alt+DownArrow
> Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a
> Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  Alt+Shift+Apostrophe
> Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at the cursor location
> Alt+Shift+e
> Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R
> Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in original or final view
> without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
> Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
> Windows+Semicolon.
> Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6
> Mark place in the current document  Control+Windows+k.
> Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
> Select text between the marked place and the current position in the current
> document  Insert+Space, M.
>
> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S
> Show Smart Tag Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S
>
> For Office 2003:
> If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and the
> document window.
> Press ESCAPE to close this message.
>
> Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
> Phone: 317-629-4639
> E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
> "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from
> them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you bac.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Abby Bolling
> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>
> Hi there.
> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to me. He
> used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but my jaws
> doesn't like it.
> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, how
> did you resolve it?
> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure out
> an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abby
>
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:12:37 2015
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:12:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
References: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>	<03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
	<563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d115e5$7e8cb620$7ba62260$@gmail.com>

Maybe the document is in protected view. It is very common.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Abby Bolling
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper

the biggest problem I seem to be having is that Jaws will lock up on me and
not read anything in the paper at all. I can get it to read some comments if
I go to the top of the file and do an insert down arrow, but that's it.
I can't edit or do anything like that

On 11/2/2015 2:46 PM, Jordy Stringer via nabs-l wrote:
> Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
> You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from 
> within an application.
> Best,
>
> Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
> Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5 Say the line and column 
> of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete Toggle the writing mode from Insert to 
> Overtype  Alt+Control+I Say the first cell in the current column  
> Insert+Space, T, Alt+1 Say the first cell in the current row  
> Insert+Space, T, Alt+5 Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and 
> older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4 Say the version of MS Word being used  
> Control+JAWSKey+V Move the focus to the first form field  
> Control+JAWSKey+Home List fields  JAWSKey+F5 List tables  
> control+JAWSKey+t List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L List 
> grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G List document revisions  
> JAWSKey+Shift+R List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B List objects such as 
> clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O List reviewers' comments  
> Control+Shift+apostrophe List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f List 
> document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e List headings in the current 
> document  JAWSKEY+F6 List hyperlinks in the current document  
> JAWSKey+f7 List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W Describe the border 
> around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
> Alt+Shift+B
> Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C 
> Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C Say the 
> row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R Say the current 
> table column Alt+Windows+Period Say the current table row 
> Alt+Windows+Comma Move to and say the prior table column 
> Windows+Alt+LeftArrow Move to and say the next table column 
> Windows+Alt+RightArrow Move to and say the prior table row 
> Windows+Alt+UpArrow Move to and say the next table row 
> Windows+Alt+DownArrow Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a 
> Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  
> Alt+Shift+Apostrophe Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at 
> the cursor location
> Alt+Shift+e
> Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  
> CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in 
> original or final view without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
> Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
> Windows+Semicolon.
> Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6 Mark place in 
> the current document  Control+Windows+k.
> Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
> Select text between the marked place and the current position in the 
> current document  Insert+Space, M.
>
> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S Show Smart Tag 
> Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S
>
> For Office 2003:
> If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and 
> the document window.
> Press ESCAPE to close this message.
>
> Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
> Phone: 317-629-4639
> E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
> "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to 
> profit from them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you bac.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby 
> Bolling via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Abby Bolling
> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>
> Hi there.
> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to 
> me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but 
> my jaws doesn't like it.
> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, 
> how did you resolve it?
> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me 
> figure out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abby
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> nabs-l:
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:15:38 2015
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:15:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
References: <5637B3F7.4040302@gmail.com>	<03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
	<563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901d115e5$ea5ad350$bf1079f0$@gmail.com>

You've just described exactly what happens when the file is in a protected
view. You need to press alt, down arrow, and tab to find enable editing
button.
This should help.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 9:03 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Abby Bolling
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper

the biggest problem I seem to be having is that Jaws will lock up on me and
not read anything in the paper at all. I can get it to read some comments if
I go to the top of the file and do an insert down arrow, but that's it.
I can't edit or do anything like that

On 11/2/2015 2:46 PM, Jordy Stringer via nabs-l wrote:
> Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
> You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from 
> within an application.
> Best,
>
> Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
> Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5 Say the line and column 
> of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete Toggle the writing mode from Insert to 
> Overtype  Alt+Control+I Say the first cell in the current column  
> Insert+Space, T, Alt+1 Say the first cell in the current row  
> Insert+Space, T, Alt+5 Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and 
> older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4 Say the version of MS Word being used  
> Control+JAWSKey+V Move the focus to the first form field  
> Control+JAWSKey+Home List fields  JAWSKey+F5 List tables  
> control+JAWSKey+t List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L List 
> grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G List document revisions  
> JAWSKey+Shift+R List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B List objects such as 
> clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O List reviewers' comments  
> Control+Shift+apostrophe List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f List 
> document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e List headings in the current 
> document  JAWSKEY+F6 List hyperlinks in the current document  
> JAWSKey+f7 List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W Describe the border 
> around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
> Alt+Shift+B
> Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C 
> Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C Say the 
> row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R Say the current 
> table column Alt+Windows+Period Say the current table row 
> Alt+Windows+Comma Move to and say the prior table column 
> Windows+Alt+LeftArrow Move to and say the next table column 
> Windows+Alt+RightArrow Move to and say the prior table row 
> Windows+Alt+UpArrow Move to and say the next table row 
> Windows+Alt+DownArrow Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a 
> Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  
> Alt+Shift+Apostrophe Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at 
> the cursor location
> Alt+Shift+e
> Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  
> CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in 
> original or final view without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
> Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
> Windows+Semicolon.
> Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6 Mark place in 
> the current document  Control+Windows+k.
> Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
> Select text between the marked place and the current position in the 
> current document  Insert+Space, M.
>
> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S Show Smart Tag 
> Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S
>
> For Office 2003:
> If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and 
> the document window.
> Press ESCAPE to close this message.
>
> Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
> Phone: 317-629-4639
> E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
> "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to 
> profit from them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the 
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create 
> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
> you want; blindness is not what holds you bac.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby 
> Bolling via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Abby Bolling
> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>
> Hi there.
> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to 
> me. He used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but 
> my jaws doesn't like it.
> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, 
> how did you resolve it?
> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me 
> figure out an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Abby
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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From amc05111 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:44:56 2015
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (amc05111 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:44:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
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	<03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
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Abby 
What version of Microsoft wordare you using?
The comments feature is a great tool, and there are some awesome shortcuts that are useful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> the biggest problem I seem to be having is that Jaws will lock up on me and not read anything in the paper at all. I can get it to read some comments if I go to the top of the file and do an insert down arrow, but that's it.
> I can't edit or do anything like that
> 
>> On 11/2/2015 2:46 PM, Jordy Stringer via nabs-l wrote:
>> Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
>> You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from
>> within an application.
>> Best,
>> 
>> Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
>> Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5
>> Say the line and column of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete
>> Toggle the writing mode from Insert to Overtype  Alt+Control+I
>> Say the first cell in the current column  Insert+Space, T, Alt+1
>> Say the first cell in the current row  Insert+Space, T, Alt+5
>> Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4
>> Say the version of MS Word being used  Control+JAWSKey+V
>> Move the focus to the first form field  Control+JAWSKey+Home
>> List fields  JAWSKey+F5
>> List tables  control+JAWSKey+t
>> List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L
>> List grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G
>> List document revisions  JAWSKey+Shift+R
>> List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B
>> List objects such as clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O
>> List reviewers' comments  Control+Shift+apostrophe
>> List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f
>> List document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e
>> List headings in the current document  JAWSKEY+F6
>> List hyperlinks in the current document  JAWSKey+f7
>> List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W
>> Describe the border around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
>> Alt+Shift+B
>> Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C
>> Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C
>> Say the row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R
>> Say the current table column Alt+Windows+Period
>> Say the current table row Alt+Windows+Comma
>> Move to and say the prior table column Windows+Alt+LeftArrow
>> Move to and say the next table column Windows+Alt+RightArrow
>> Move to and say the prior table row Windows+Alt+UpArrow
>> Move to and say the next table row Windows+Alt+DownArrow
>> Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a
>> Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  Alt+Shift+Apostrophe
>> Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at the cursor location
>> Alt+Shift+e
>> Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R
>> Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in original or final view
>> without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
>> Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
>> Windows+Semicolon.
>> Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6
>> Mark place in the current document  Control+Windows+k.
>> Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
>> Select text between the marked place and the current position in the current
>> document  Insert+Space, M.
>> 
>> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S
>> Show Smart Tag Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S
>> 
>> For Office 2003:
>> If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and the
>> document window.
>> Press ESCAPE to close this message.
>> 
>> Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
>> Phone: 317-629-4639
>> E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
>> "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from
>> them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you bac.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Abby Bolling
>> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>> 
>> Hi there.
>> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to me. He
>> used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but my jaws
>> doesn't like it.
>> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, how
>> did you resolve it?
>> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure out
>> an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Abby
>> 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 03:54:16 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:54:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
In-Reply-To: <ABBA1B7F-AA9B-4C3D-9B6A-B6A3CE87C594@gmail.com>
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	<03ef01d115a7$2e34f7c0$8a9ee740$@gmail.com>
	<563823DE.5070509@gmail.com>
	<ABBA1B7F-AA9B-4C3D-9B6A-B6A3CE87C594@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <786F12EE-2336-430F-BD86-5A1B27B1AE44@gmail.com>

What are those shortcuts 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:44 PM, Ashley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Abby 
> What version of Microsoft wordare you using?
> The comments feature is a great tool, and there are some awesome shortcuts that are useful.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> the biggest problem I seem to be having is that Jaws will lock up on me and not read anything in the paper at all. I can get it to read some comments if I go to the top of the file and do an insert down arrow, but that's it.
>> I can't edit or do anything like that
>> 
>>> On 11/2/2015 2:46 PM, Jordy Stringer via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Salutations, I hope this message finds you well.
>>> You can find shortcuts like the ones below by pressing Insert + H from
>>> within an application.
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Set Quick Settings JAWSKey+V
>>> Say the current field  Control+JAWSKey+NumPad5
>>> Say the line and column of the caret  JAWSKey+Delete
>>> Toggle the writing mode from Insert to Overtype  Alt+Control+I
>>> Say the first cell in the current column  Insert+Space, T, Alt+1
>>> Say the first cell in the current row  Insert+Space, T, Alt+5
>>> Close the office assistant (Office 2003 and older)  Control+JAWSKey+F4
>>> Say the version of MS Word being used  Control+JAWSKey+V
>>> Move the focus to the first form field  Control+JAWSKey+Home
>>> List fields  JAWSKey+F5
>>> List tables  control+JAWSKey+t
>>> List words marked as misspelled  Alt+Shift+L
>>> List grammatical errors  JAWSKey+Shift+G
>>> List document revisions  JAWSKey+Shift+R
>>> List bookmarks  ALT+JAWSKey+B
>>> List objects such as clipart  and textboxes Control+Shift+O
>>> List reviewers' comments  Control+Shift+apostrophe
>>> List document footnotes  JAWSKey+Shift+f
>>> List document end notes  JAWSKey+Shift+e
>>> List headings in the current document  JAWSKEY+F6
>>> List hyperlinks in the current document  JAWSKey+f7
>>> List ms word short cut keys  JAWSKey+W
>>> Describe the border around the active cell, table, paragraph or section
>>> Alt+Shift+B
>>> Convert all drawing layer objects to text layer objects  Alt+Shift+C
>>> Say the column title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+C
>>> Say the row title for the current cell  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+R
>>> Say the current table column Alt+Windows+Period
>>> Say the current table row Alt+Windows+Comma
>>> Move to and say the prior table column Windows+Alt+LeftArrow
>>> Move to and say the next table column Windows+Alt+RightArrow
>>> Move to and say the prior table row Windows+Alt+UpArrow
>>> Move to and say the next table row Windows+Alt+DownArrow
>>> Announce the detected language  CONTROL+ALT+a
>>> Announce the comment referenced at the cursor location  Alt+Shift+Apostrophe
>>> Announce the footnote or endnote referenced at the cursor location
>>> Alt+Shift+e
>>> Announce the revision referenced at the cursor location  CONTROL+JAWSKEY+R
>>> Toggle revision detection on/off when document is in original or final view
>>> without showing markup  JAWSKEY+ALT+r.
>>> Show comments, footnotes, endnotes, or revisions in virtual viewer
>>> Windows+Semicolon.
>>> Switch between open panes and the main document text  F6
>>> Mark place in the current document  Control+Windows+k.
>>> Return to the marked place in the current document  Alt+Windows+k.
>>> Select text between the marked place and the current position in the current
>>> document  Insert+Space, M.
>>> 
>>> List smart tags in this document  JAWSKey+Alt+Shift+S
>>> Show Smart Tag Actions menu  JAWSKey+Control+Alt+S
>>> 
>>> For Office 2003:
>>> If F1 is pressed for Help, press F6 to move between the Task Pane and the
>>> document window.
>>> Press ESCAPE to close this message.
>>> 
>>> Jordy D. Stringer, Treasurer, Blind Vision United
>>> Phone: 317-629-4639
>>> E-mail: jordystringer83 at gmail.com
>>> "A man must be big enough to admit his mistakes, smart enough to profit from
>>> them, and strong enough to correct them." John C. Maxwell
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness is not what holds you bac.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 2:05 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Abby Bolling
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] reading comments in a paper
>>> 
>>> Hi there.
>>> I turned a paper into my english professor, and he emailed it back to me. He
>>> used the comments feature in MS word to write in the paper, but my jaws
>>> doesn't like it.
>>> Has anyone ever had to deal with the comments part of MS word? If so, how
>>> did you resolve it?
>>> How did it work, and if not, what are your suggestions to help me figure out
>>> an alternative way of receiving my professors comments?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Abby
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> com
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 04:10:36 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:10:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iTunes Issues,
	My iPhone6S is not being Recognize by iTunes!
Message-ID: <2191B52C-69D6-41F2-B646-74C3EEE0C6C8@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I'm having an issue now with iTune guys! iTunes is not recognizing my iPhone 6S. Now I'm running iTunes 12.31 on my Windows 8 computer guys! I have my iPhone 6S now, and the AT&T guy made my   iPhone to be restore from iCloud, but for some reason my iCloud is still restoring my IPhone since Wednesday guys,and that is weird since I already have all my apps again. However, all my songs that i   synch on my ipHone were there  before when i use to have my iPhone 6, but now they are all gone guys! So whenever I connected my iPhone 6S to my iTunes on my computer, My computer freezes up and it does not allow me to move around iTunes with JAWS in order for me tto synch my albums back,and I really don't know why guys. Before iTunes told me that i need to download the newversion of iTuens in ordr to be able to synch my songs and so on to my iPhone, but it allso gave me the warning tht my iPhon e was not able to be recongnize though. Do you guys know what might be causing this problem? I really don't know what is going on. I wanted to ask you first before I decide   to go to the apple store guys and tell them my problem.  NOw I also have a Mac computer, and maybe  it is time I transfer all my iTunes library over there since my Windows is causing me some isues guys! i will really appreciate it a lot! if youcould help me with this and give me some suggestions! I tried restarting my computer, turning off and on my computer but it is not working guys! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  3 04:38:00 2015
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:38:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Our November NCABS Membership Call
Message-ID: <26639BB2-7E13-4A29-AB8B-167DF658012E@yahoo.com>

Hello all! 

I hope you are doing well. It is almost time for the NC Association of Blind Student's  monthly membership call. This month's call will be on Sunday November 8th at 8pm! Below, is the agenda for this month's call. 

Please join us by calling (712) 432-3900 and entering code 386-6158 around 7:55 to ensure a prompt start. 

Talk to you soon!!! 


NOVEMBER AGENDA: 

1. Call to Order

2. Attendance 

3. Treasure's Report 

4. Committee Updates
A. Event Planning 
B. Fundraising 
C. Legislation
D. Media & Publicity 
E. Legislation 

5. NABS Updates 
A. Washington Seminar 
B. The Student Slate 
C. NFB Scholarship and National Convention 

6. EYE Retreat Updates

7. Giveaway 

8. Adjournment 



Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  3 05:57:33 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:57:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <5634d1aa.4a4e810a.96135.fffface0@mx.google.com>
References: <5634d1aa.4a4e810a.96135.fffface0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS437ABFCC29F0D491F3F441DC2B0@phx.gbl>

Sorry, what I meant to say/echo:
The ADA is mainly a law on paper. It has little oversight, and little to no real teath to it. The ADA has sometimes created more problems, look at some of it's regulations, etc. Sadly, with our problematic political system, something like the ADA would not probably pass today.


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:36 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to provide all written materials in accessable formats, either accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws against murder "a joke."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to providing access for the blind other than the sometimes availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a waist of overnment services.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Nov  3 06:01:44 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:01:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <SNT406-EAS67776DCA979D737DDA8DBABC2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <5634d1aa.4a4e810a.96135.fffface0@mx.google.com>
	<SNT406-EAS67776DCA979D737DDA8DBABC2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS11966A8F12D033EFA050F36DC2B0@phx.gbl>

Yah, and I hear from those who work with accommodations that, sometimes they are still handed print paperwork. It cones back to poor design and simple bad attitudes. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 10:52 AM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sometimes, though, one has to make a choice as to what their goal is in
> taking a course.  I suspect that if one wanted to make a case that
> blackboard presentations constitute written materials, they might win after
> a long battle, but I doubt it is for certain.  For example, I doubt the ADA
> would cover a teacher using a blackboard to answer a question that was asked
> in class, where there was no advanced planning.  That happened often when I
> was in school and I doubt that has changed.  Further, whether the school is
> right or wrong, one does not have the same sort of protection in many jobs.
> It is worth developing one's ability to deal with information in less than
> accessible forms now rather than having to do it on the job when it could
> affect one's performance.  It is always a balancing act to figure out when
> one is morally correct but it might mean having to take a class again or
> whether one should concentrate on learning the subject matter.  I am not
> trying to say one or the other is always right, only that one has to pick
> one's battles in life, and I suspect the blackboard business is not going to
> be clearcut, even if it is true that the professor is being a bit of a jerk.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what 
> this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to 
> provide all written materials in accessable formats, either 
> accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they 
> sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people 
> break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws 
> against murder "a joke."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice 
> needed!
> 
> The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to 
> providing access for the blind other than the sometimes 
> availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a 
> waist of overnment services.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning 
> to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive 
> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too 
> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, 
> but this semester may get the better of me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues 
> in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
> accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats 
> happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in 
> his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see 
> anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this 
> semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, 
> and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the 
> ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that 
> is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a 
> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a 
> math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because 
> I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not 
> fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish 
> because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and 
> I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service 
> because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option 
> to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we 
> won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to 
> purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the 
> time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access 
> to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day 
> before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a 
> midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet 
> to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to 
> him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to 
> happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does 
> it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for 
> my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, 
> but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for 
> the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the 
> beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the 
> hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) 
> Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other 
> sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is 
> the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to 
> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, 
> calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access 
> to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am 
> unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am 
> left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im 
> paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown 
> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I 
> should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have 
> since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until 
> further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes 
> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to 
> receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in 
> my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to 
> tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally 
> blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought 
> up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach 
> the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I 
> finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, 
> Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I 
> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of 
> a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I 
> have since gone through a councilor change to try and get 
> something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few 
> emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, 
> and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to 
> laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because 
> how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the 
> university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get 
> better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to 
> professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the 
> beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I 
> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple 
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a 
> formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like 
> I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I 
> want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my 
> battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next 
> three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my 
> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is 
> definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more 
> meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get 
> them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From valentinoma19 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 13:58:22 2015
From: valentinoma19 at gmail.com (valentinoma19 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 08:58:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting new eyes at Southeastern Guide Dogs.
Message-ID: <B1E52945-3D3F-41C1-8CFC-6C91B902A8A3@gmail.com>

Below you will find a link to a story that was written about me by the Herald Tribune in Florida.  I hope you enjoy the story and please forward it to all of your friends.

http://heraldtribune.com/article/20151017/ARTICLE/151019751/2416/NEWS?Title=Getting-a-new-set-of-eyes-at-Southeastern-Guide-Dogs

Michael Valentino
@valntno - Twitter
Valentinoma19 at gmail.com
#VALNTNO
Cell - (804) 513-6261

http://heraldtribune.com/article/20151017/ARTICLE/151019751/2416/NEWS?Title=Getting-a-new-set-of-eyes-at-Southeastern-Guide-Dogs

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov  3 23:48:35 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:48:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Fwd: Question about your resources for
	health and physical educators
References: <CACsEhVKn0n-6r_tR0oskEYFFWL4wd8-tEEJuhf4CMjrupCspOg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A1AB9915-8B76-44CF-A0F1-4490E51D8810@gmail.com>

This looks like a good resource for students who are interested in finding careers in the sports or physical education feels. Please see below.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Carol Castellano via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Date: November 3, 2015 at 5:00:12 PM EST
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, (for parents of blind children)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carol Castellano <carol.joyce.castellano at gmail.com>
> Subject: [blindkid] Fwd: Question about your resources for health and physical educators
> Reply-To: "Blind Kid Mailing List, \(for parents of blind children\)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I recently received this email with resources about careers.  The website
> looked interesting and I thought it might be useful for our kids.
> 
> Carol
> 
> Carol Castellano
> Parents of Blind Children-NJ
> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
> 973-377-0976
> carol_castellano at verizon.net
> www.blindchildren.org
> www.nopbc.org
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Ryan Kelly <ryan at learnhowtobecome.org>
> Date: Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:48 PM
> Subject: Question about your resources for health and physical educators
> To: blindchildren at verizon.net
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Hope you had a nice weekend. I just wanted to send a quick follow up on the
> email I sent last week. We received some valuable feedback and have updated
> our guidebook, Winning Sports Careers: The Non-athletes Guide to Finding a
> Career in Sports, found here:
> http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/career-resource-center/careers-in-sports/
> 
> Would you please consider including our guide as an additional web resource
> for your site's visitors?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Ryan
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I recently found your list of career resources for health and physical
> educators on this page: http://www.blindchildren.org/sports_games/5_1_4.html
> 
> We’ve just finished our guidebook, Winning Sports Careers: The Non-athletes
> Guide to Finding a Career in Sports, and I think your site's audience will
> find our resources valuable. You can see the guide here:
> http://www.learnhowtobecome.org/career-resource-center/careers-in-sports/
> 
> We live in a society where the sports industry amasses over $400 billion
> annually. Fans love their favorite athletes and teams, but who are the ones
> actually makes this industry run?
> 
> These behind-the-scenes positions support the sports industry by supplying
> health services, sales and marketing revenue, and sports media content. The
> following guide outlines the most popular careers in sports for
> non-athletes. Key highlights of the guide include:
> 
> - Extensive sports industry job profiles, including health and physical
> educators
> - An in-depth look at the increased presence of women in the sports
> industry
> - Resources for students or recent grads interested in a non-athletic
> career in sports
> - Tips for landing an internship in a sports-related field
> 
> Will you help us support current and prospective professionals interested
> in the sports industry by including our guide on your resources page?
> 
> Best,
> 
> Ryan Kelly
> Director of Communications
> LearnHowToBecome.org
> 
> If you no longer wish to receive updates from Learn How to Become, please
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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 00:10:57 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:10:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
Message-ID: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>

Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've 
done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from 
NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this 
task? Help! anyone?


From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 11:54:37 2015
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:54:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting new eyes at Southeastern Guide Dogs.
In-Reply-To: <B1E52945-3D3F-41C1-8CFC-6C91B902A8A3@gmail.com>
References: <B1E52945-3D3F-41C1-8CFC-6C91B902A8A3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH6-o_dhb+v1sCMWSL7JaBfbLYS9Ue0M=kmz0R4znON-_Jw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Michael, I loved reading the article. Your experiences and your
atitude are very inspiring.

Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 11/3/15, valentinoma19--- via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Below you will find a link to a story that was written about me by the
> Herald Tribune in Florida.  I hope you enjoy the story and please forward it
> to all of your friends.
>
> http://heraldtribune.com/article/20151017/ARTICLE/151019751/2416/NEWS?Title=Getting-a-new-set-of-eyes-at-Southeastern-Guide-Dogs
>
> Michael Valentino
> @valntno - Twitter
> Valentinoma19 at gmail.com
> #VALNTNO
> Cell - (804) 513-6261
>
> http://heraldtribune.com/article/20151017/ARTICLE/151019751/2416/NEWS?Title=Getting-a-new-set-of-eyes-at-Southeastern-Guide-Dogs
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From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 17:00:21 2015
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:00:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>

I'm not a Braille user. Sorry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
> The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this task? Help! anyone?
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 17:15:08 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:15:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
	<EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87AE75E7-5ED2-42EA-A5A0-09E8D1AE920B@gmail.com>

I would contact the local library directly. The best way I've found to do this is to call the reference desk and ask them for the book in question. They should already have your address on file.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Tori Clark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not a Braille user. Sorry
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
>> The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this task? Help! anyone?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 17:17:23 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:17:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <87AE75E7-5ED2-42EA-A5A0-09E8D1AE920B@gmail.com>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
	<EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>
	<87AE75E7-5ED2-42EA-A5A0-09E8D1AE920B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563A3DA3.6020406@gmail.com>

ok. because I was able to get to even the list of books that I had 
checked out already, and I can't even get back to that.

On 11/4/2015 12:15 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
> I would contact the local library directly. The best way I've found to do this is to call the reference desk and ask them for the book in question. They should already have your address on file.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 12:00 PM, Tori Clark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a Braille user. Sorry
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
>>> The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this task? Help! anyone?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  4 17:49:14 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:49:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
	<EB833FAE-CAA6-496B-A405-C92201670D5B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B41A99A4A2F4565842B9E1F251BAC8E@OwnerPC>

to order a hard copy braille book, its easy. Contact your local coorporating 
talking book library who probably handles braille requests; if they do not, 
contact your state NLS library.
Do so by phone so you can have a conversation about the book you want and 
ensure they can send you the right one.

However, be aware that if you have not used the NLS braille service in 
years, your application may not be on file. I just say that since by the 
question, I recon you did not use this service in a while.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tori Clark via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Tori Clark
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!

I'm not a Braille user. Sorry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've done 
> this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
> The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from NLS. 
> And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this task? 
> Help! anyone?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 19:03:56 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 14:03:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <5B41A99A4A2F4565842B9E1F251BAC8E@OwnerPC>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
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Ashely,
thanks. I have been using it recently and just had a music book sent to 
me, so that shouldn't be a problem
thank you so much for the information.
I really appreciate it

On 11/4/2015 12:49 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> to order a hard copy braille book, its easy. Contact your local 
> coorporating talking book library who probably handles braille 
> requests; if they do not, contact your state NLS library.
> Do so by phone so you can have a conversation about the book you want 
> and ensure they can send you the right one.
>
> However, be aware that if you have not used the NLS braille service in 
> years, your application may not be on file. I just say that since by 
> the question, I recon you did not use this service in a while.
>
> HTH,
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tori Clark via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 12:00 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Tori Clark
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
>
> I'm not a Braille user. Sorry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 3, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've 
>> done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
>> The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book from 
>> NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to accomplish this 
>> task? Help! anyone?
>>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Wed Nov  4 21:42:59 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:42:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
Message-ID: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>

Hello NABS,
I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon 
fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it 
does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted 
for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my 
canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used 
it was 2 years)
I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, 
light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the 
information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.

My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it 
for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an 
inconvenience at times.

I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products 
that are available.

If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) 
with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.

Best,
Miso




From valentinoma19 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 22:05:33 2015
From: valentinoma19 at gmail.com (valentinoma19 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:05:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B0C9202E-D095-44A4-A24D-381E3915E7F3@gmail.com>

Might want to try am an Ambutech folding cane.  The only problem is they do weigh a little bit more.

Michael Valentino
valentinoma19 at gmail.com
Cell - 804-513-6261

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
 

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
> My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used it was 2 years)
> I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
> 
> My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an inconvenience at times.
> 
> I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products that are available.
> 
> If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
> 
> Best,
> Miso
> 
> 
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 01:17:03 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 20:17:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 14 Braille Display Questions!
Message-ID: <C547FDD1-2C61-441B-B34C-107E5573752C@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you I have a Focus 14 guys! I already connected it to my iphone 6S guys, but my problem is that I can't type guys! My display can't read everything, but whenever i double tap on the message field,and i double tap on the field, I can't type for some reason. Do anyone here uses a the Focus 14 or focus 40 Blue braille displays guys? If so, could you give me a little class in how ot use it guys! I will really appreciate it a lot! I know how to read grade 2 braille guys! They typing is the only problem I'm having everything else I think is fine. I just need an hour with you or at least two hours  guys, I think I'm putting my finger positions worong guys! If you can help me today that will be great, if not just let me know what days an dtime you are available in order to give me a lesson ok? I eally don't have itme ot go to the light house since I'm in school and i need to talk to my DBS advisor but that wil took forever guys!! Yu can contact me off list ok? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From philso1003 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 14:18:32 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 09:18:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Your favorite blindness sites or blogs
Message-ID: <CAO2euMeG8e+08zAO=eehA=9Y642w0gQr5v6eGHNp=GTq6BMkRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I'd like to compile a list of good and useful blind sites and blogs.
What are some of your favorite?
Besides NFB.org. smile
Thanks everyone for sharing!
Best,
Phil


From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com  Thu Nov  5 18:20:00 2015
From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Conchita Hernandez Legorreta)
Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2015 13:20:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Mentoring program
Message-ID: <CAP4zXN2oK+mDsO1HvAHUwEJ=Z-zdvQscbWXLLfx43ctYv4DNjw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Students,
I am runnng a mentoring program at a school I work with at to pair children
with varying disabilities with young adults with disabilites. Info is as
follows;

School Without Walls at Francis Stevens in conjunction with Washington
Metro Disabled Student Collective (WMDSC) will be hosting a mentorship
program.
SWW @ Francis Stevens Students with disabilities will be partnered with
young adults with disabilities. To foster an understanding of disabilities,
as well as personal growth and empowerment. Our students will not only be
able to talk with someone who may face similar challenges, but someone who
is living his or her life to the fullest.
You must be in the DC area and willing to spend one hour a week with the
student. Please email me directly to hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com and fill
out the mentorship application http://goo.gl/forms/BwzkspioC6

Feel free to reach out to me with any questions. Thank you!

-- 
Conchita Hernandez Legorreta
M.A.T.

Help me reach my goal to work with a school for the blind in Mexico! Check
out my Go Fund Me Page.
https://www.gofundme.com/6a4a86ns

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Fri Nov  6 12:20:39 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2015 07:20:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] weirdest braillenote problem ever
Message-ID: <563ca928.0ae2ca0a.f04b9.0175@mx.google.com>

My braillenote is havig the strangest problem ever. Whenever I 
type certain capital letters, the letters K or O will appear 
beside the letters. I've tried several resets, but the strange 
letters keep appearing. Below, I've tried to write the alphabet 
in all caps.

ABCDEFGHKKIKJKKLKKMKNKOKPOQOOORSTOUOVOWOXYZ
I'm going to call Humanware, but I was just wondering if anyone 
had any ideas about these crazy problem.


From brenner at zahav.net.il  Sat Nov  7 07:49:30 2015
From: brenner at zahav.net.il (Benny Brenner)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 09:49:30 +0200
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Hosting a blind child
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADay/PS5qbRHo8KRTplip5TCgAAAEAAAACMCxTOeUsZKlERDDT2IvrgBAAAAAA==@zahav.net.il>
References: <93486648-07C9-4E67-8DC7-899BBDEB9CED@zahav.net.il>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADay/PS5qbRHo8KRTplip5TCgAAAEAAAACMCxTOeUsZKlERDDT2IvrgBAAAAAA==@zahav.net.il>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADay/PS5qbRHo8KRTplip5TCgAAAEAAAAH6HXqT6V0xPk7Gy96F/yRwBAAAAAA==@zahav.net.il>




Dear Sirs,

My name is Benny Brenner. We live in Israel.

We are a happy married couple with two married daughters and three
grandchildren, active in our community, working in our jobs independently.

We have a big penthouse twenty minutes from Tel Aviv in a very pleasant and
quiet city, in the middle of the country: Kfar Saba.

For many years I personally volunteered in many different activities with
disabled children. At this moment, we decided that we are happy and ready to
host a full blind boy from 16 to 21 years old, for one year.

If there is any chance to do it, please contact us. Details we will provide
upon request.

Of course all the expenses, excluding air fare, at our account.

Sincerely,
Benny



iPad BB

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Nov  7 09:00:20 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 03:00:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] ok, now I just feel silly!
In-Reply-To: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
References: <56394D11.4060200@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000041790380@mailfront1.g2host.com>

You do it through your local regional, or sub-regional library.

Dave


>Ok guys, I feel like a silly person right now! especially since I've 
>done this thing before, I just have no clue how to do it again!
>The thing I am attempting to do is order a physical braille book 
>from NLS. And I can't figure out for the life of me how to 
>accomplish this task? Help! anyone?

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Nov  7 09:03:45 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2015 03:03:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000041261674@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Personally I prefeer the straight fiberglass cane, the one you get 
for free.  Folding canes just aren't as reliable, and once you learn 
how you can position your straight cane, having it is rarely an 
inconvenience.  I have even taken mine on a motorcycle.

Dave


>Hello NABS,
>I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
>My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon 
>fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it 
>does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted 
>for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally 
>my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I 
>have used it was 2 years)
>I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my 
>nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me 
>the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
>
>My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get 
>it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes 
>an inconvenience at times.
>
>I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane 
>products that are available.
>
>If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under 
>$50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
>
>Best,
>Miso

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Sat Nov  7 16:29:58 2015
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 17:29:58 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <auto-000041261674@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
	<auto-000041261674@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <8A7F74DD-428A-43C6-893F-BF6182D007FD@ymail.com>

BS'D

I've only had collapsible white canes (25 years) and they're like other canes, you get what you pay for. I've an Ultraflex cane and I've had it for 12 years, it's an very expensive cane but worth every penny.

LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 7 nov. 2015 à 10:03, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> a écrit :
> 
> Personally I prefeer the straight fiberglass cane, the one you get for free.  Folding canes just aren't as reliable, and once you learn how you can position your straight cane, having it is rarely an inconvenience.  I have even taken mine on a motorcycle.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
>> Hello NABS,
>> I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
>> My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used it was 2 years)
>> I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
>> 
>> My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an inconvenience at times.
>> 
>> I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products that are available.
>> 
>> If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Miso
> 
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 06:20:02 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 01:20:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How can I connect my Focus 14 Blue Braille Display or any
	Display to my Mac Computer?
Message-ID: <63C32FB5-A5FA-4D1E-B59C-F6E201BB3EDF@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? The subjec line says it all! What are the steps in doing so on my Mac computer guys! I just would like to read in braille information I found on the web or enven emails if necessary or documents guys! I will really appreciate it a lot if youcould help me with this. I look forward in hearing from you soon! Thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 18:09:19 2015
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 12:09:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <76FC3A44-BB2F-4C22-B864-50146B9899BC@yahoo.com>

I use the NFB telescope cane. It's pretty sensitive and easy to whip out when my dog can't help me. The only downfall is if you hit something too hard it'll start to...I guess fold up?  I'm not sure if you've seen a telescope cane. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
> My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used it was 2 years)
> I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
> 
> My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an inconvenience at times.
> 
> I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products that are available.
> 
> If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
> 
> Best,
> Miso
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:15:57 2015
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 07:15:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braille display
Message-ID: <5641e01e.82196b0a.a191.063d@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I am from Ohio and will be attending the state convention later 
this month.  I am interested in connecting with students who use 
the Brailliant family of Braille displays from Humanware.  I just 
got one a couple months ago for work and would like some tricks 
from other users on how to make navigation easier.  I use it to 
read information all the time, but I have not yet mastered 
navigating the computer with it.  Therefore, if you are from Ohio 
and use this device, please write me offlist at 
piano.girl0299 at gmail.com and we can try to connect at convention 
as well.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From filerime at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 14:46:56 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:46:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] talking scientific calculater
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9dOREjMx1P3VeD26-7obKJ-GJ0O_YL5zojS8ghY_JEuzg@mail.gmail.com>

hi all,
can anyone recommend a talking scientific calculator please?

Orion TI-30XS Talking Scientific Calculator
this one pups up at my google search. is this one a good one? is this
the last version?
Thanks


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 17:43:30 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:43:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] talking scientific calculater
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9dOREjMx1P3VeD26-7obKJ-GJ0O_YL5zojS8ghY_JEuzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9dOREjMx1P3VeD26-7obKJ-GJ0O_YL5zojS8ghY_JEuzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06403F31-2654-4060-8FAC-A7468AF98C2B@gmail.com>

I personally use the Orion TI 84 calculator from APH. This is very accessible and works quite well.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi all,
> can anyone recommend a talking scientific calculator please?
> 
> Orion TI-30XS Talking Scientific Calculator
> this one pups up at my google search. is this one a good one? is this
> the last version?
> Thanks
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Nov 10 20:27:36 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:27:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ti 84 Plus Talkinf Graphing Calculator
Message-ID: <CA35693B-8D15-4D74-8602-C651837AB8F0@icloud.com>

Hi,
I use the Ti 84 Plus in math class. I have to use it  to find the zeros of parabolas, but it won't read me the zeros. I followed all of my math teacher's instructions. She is a sighted teacher at a regular school. How do I get it to read the zeros? Sorry if I confused anyone! Thank you! 
Best,
Mikayla

From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 00:31:07 2015
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 17:31:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ti 84 Plus Talkinf Graphing Calculator
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Hi Michaela, this is actually a known problem with the TI 84 talking calculator. At least, I've had this problem when trying to show my students how to use it find the zeros of a parabola. You can do everything you need to you to set up the problem, but then once the zeros are calculated, it doesn't read anything on the screen. I don't understand why this feature is missing, but I recommend that you email the company. I have sent them a similar email, and hopefully if they get enough feedback from us they will release an update.

 Best, 
Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use the Ti 84 Plus in math class. I have to use it  to find the zeros of parabolas, but it won't read me the zeros. I followed all of my math teacher's instructions. She is a sighted teacher at a regular school. How do I get it to read the zeros? Sorry if I confused anyone! Thank you! 
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Nov 11 01:00:36 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:00:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ti 84 Plus Talkinf Graphing Calculator
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References: <CA35693B-8D15-4D74-8602-C651837AB8F0@icloud.com>
	<5202A2E7-512B-4837-9A58-896A169C13BB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1240972D-DF2E-47B7-88A3-EA0DA42D24BC@icloud.com>

Thank you so much, especially because now I  know that it is not just me. I didn't think so because I tried it on two different calculators, but  it feels good to know for sure. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 10, 2015, at 7:31 PM, Jamie Principato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Michaela, this is actually a known problem with the TI 84 talking calculator. At least, I've had this problem when trying to show my students how to use it find the zeros of a parabola. You can do everything you need to you to set up the problem, but then once the zeros are calculated, it doesn't read anything on the screen. I don't understand why this feature is missing, but I recommend that you email the company. I have sent them a similar email, and hopefully if they get enough feedback from us they will release an update.
> 
> Best, 
> Jamie
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 1:27 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I use the Ti 84 Plus in math class. I have to use it  to find the zeros of parabolas, but it won't read me the zeros. I followed all of my math teacher's instructions. She is a sighted teacher at a regular school. How do I get it to read the zeros? Sorry if I confused anyone! Thank you! 
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:39:51 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:39:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: The Djd Digital Distraction Show makes Its Grand Debut
 On Inner Visions Radio Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+xg+mX89Nx0eEzx60EqLCBCAiAT=W_uL57PU8=8+yd18Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All!
Have you heard the news? The all new Djd's Digital Distraction show
makes its official premire on Inner Visions Radio, starting tonight,
and every Wednesday night from 7 to 11 PM eastern!
Those purists who loved what The Djd Invasion show was about will
enjoy the listener interaction, comedy, my general commentary and
humor and more.
Those who love something with a slightly new look will enjoy features such as:
Aca Awesome: Where we play a set of some of the coolest a cappella
music that all should know about

Play That year. I give you the decade, you pick the year, and watch
what I come up with. Be warned, the music could bhe cheesy, awesome,
or really baaaad. It's all in good fun, and will be entertaining.

The Common Denominator Set. Can you figure out what a set of songs
have in common?

The Word Of The Day. Listen to find out more, *grin*

More features are being worked on, and you never know which one you'll
get each week.


There are two things you can be sure of though. You can be sure of the
ability to make requests, and that the show, despite its changes, will
still be presented by a voice you've come to know and hopefully enjoy
over the years, and that everything will be delivered with the unique
style I've become known for.

Now, as for how to listen tonight, it's easy. At any time between 7
and 11 PM tonight, head over to
http://www.inner-visions.org/radio/
where you can use their web player to tune in to the stream.
If the web player gives you any trouble, for now anyway, you can visit
http://djdreturns.mytvland.net
to get links to listen with Winamp, ITunes, etc, and to search my
music library during the show for making requests, go to
http://djdreturns.mytvland.net/requests

And finally, I said you could interact with me during the show. To do so, add
ivrnetwork
to your skype and twitter accounts. Feel free to give me a call via telephone at
325-480-1039
And if you have teamtalk, join me there too. The teamtalk address is
server.inner-visions.org
with the default ports of
10333

So with all that in mind, visit
http://inner-visions.org/radio
tonight to join me for four hours of fun you won't forget! I'm so
excited about tonight's show, and hope you'll be there to join me in
the fun!
>From David Dunphy


From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 14:50:24 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 09:50:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] talking scientific calculater
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	<06403F31-2654-4060-8FAC-A7468AF98C2B@gmail.com>
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thank you all for your feedbacks

2015-11-10 12:43 GMT-05:00, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> I personally use the Orion TI 84 calculator from APH. This is very
> accessible and works quite well.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 10, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi all,
>> can anyone recommend a talking scientific calculator please?
>>
>> Orion TI-30XS Talking Scientific Calculator
>> this one pups up at my google search. is this one a good one? is this
>> the last version?
>> Thanks
>>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 17:30:17 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:30:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Constructing bivariate tables in ms word with jaws
Message-ID: <27A22F51-F40C-4542-B515-D9F761167067@gmail.com>

Hi fellow students,
Have you had to construct a bivariate table in statistics courses? How did you do this? Is it possible to do without sighted assistance?
Thanks,

Amanda

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 19:23:09 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 11:23:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Constructing bivariate tables in ms word with jaws
In-Reply-To: <27A22F51-F40C-4542-B515-D9F761167067@gmail.com>
References: <27A22F51-F40C-4542-B515-D9F761167067@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAewBjwmGc7+U_JoZ25Sea7G7gcqYYKJ3SdpQN82Lhh8A@mail.gmail.com>

HiAmanda. I have not done this myself, but it's definitely possible to
do in either Excel or Word. I prefer Excel, as it is quicker to
navigate with JAWS, and Excel can perform follow-up calculations if
you need to compute column or row percentages.
The only trick is getting the frequency numbers to put into the table.
If your data set is small, you can do this by hand counting. If the
data set is large, you may need to use software to count up the
frequencies. If your classmates are doing it by hand, then you can
definitely make the table independently using Excel, or using the
Insert Table function in Word. In excel you can use the arrow keys to
move around the table. In Word you need to press control-alt-arrow to
move around. You can also build the table in Excel and simply copy and
paste into a Word doc.
Best, Arielle

On 11/11/15, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi fellow students,
> Have you had to construct a bivariate table in statistics courses? How did
> you do this? Is it possible to do without sighted assistance?
> Thanks,
>
> Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 20:49:31 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 15:49:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Constructing bivariate tables in ms word with jaws
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	<CALAYQJAewBjwmGc7+U_JoZ25Sea7G7gcqYYKJ3SdpQN82Lhh8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <882895AC-E58E-4383-ACBD-E3893208BCA3@gmail.com>

Okay how did you deal with constructing the bivariate tables?

Amanda

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> HiAmanda. I have not done this myself, but it's definitely possible to
> do in either Excel or Word. I prefer Excel, as it is quicker to
> navigate with JAWS, and Excel can perform follow-up calculations if
> you need to compute column or row percentages.
> The only trick is getting the frequency numbers to put into the table.
> If your data set is small, you can do this by hand counting. If the
> data set is large, you may need to use software to count up the
> frequencies. If your classmates are doing it by hand, then you can
> definitely make the table independently using Excel, or using the
> Insert Table function in Word. In excel you can use the arrow keys to
> move around the table. In Word you need to press control-alt-arrow to
> move around. You can also build the table in Excel and simply copy and
> paste into a Word doc.
> Best, Arielle
> 
>> On 11/11/15, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi fellow students,
>> Have you had to construct a bivariate table in statistics courses? How did
>> you do this? Is it possible to do without sighted assistance?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Amanda
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From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 21:19:27 2015
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 16:19:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbofnc] Action needed: PLEASE READ!
References: <008f01d11c71$889f79d0$99de6d70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <038FB30E-42E6-4B25-8D00-5C62B35A34BE@yahoo.com>



Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Kathryn Webster via Nfbofnc <nfbofnc at nfbnet.org>
> Date: November 11, 2015 at 6:10:11 AM EST
> To: "'North Carolina Association of Blind Students List'" <ncabs at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>, nfbofnc at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbofnc] Action needed: PLEASE READ!
> Reply-To: NFB of North Carolina List <nfbofnc at nfbnet.org>
> 
> Hello NC Students!  
> 
> Let us do what we do best!  Rock Social Media and Make Social Change Happen!
> 
> 
> 
> As some of you may know, we have been working diligently to urge the
> individuals who are directly involved with the drafting of the Marrakesh
> Treaty ratification package (learn more about the treaty here:
> https://nfb.org/marrakeshfactsheet ) to wrap up their work promptly, so the
> package can be transmitted to the Senate as soon as possible. Since March we
> have been hearing that this was "imminent," and yet, the package has still
> not been sent over to the Senate.
> 
> 
> 
> In order to encourage the drafting process along, we are  reminding our
> partners that it is time to #FeedTheBookFamine. On Thursday November 12,
> 2015, we are urging all of our members to tweet the following individuals to
> remind them that people with disabilities want to read, and that the
> Marrakesh Treaty will expand our access to books. There is a real
> opportunity here to #FeedTheBookFamine!
> 
> 
> 
> Valerie Jarrett
> 
> Senior Advisor and Assistant to the President for Intergovernmental Affairs
> and Public Engagement
> 
> @vj44
> 
> 
> 
> Maria Town
> 
> Assistant Director, Office of Public Engagement
> 
> @maria_m_town
> 
> 
> 
> Cathy Novelli
> 
> Under Secretary for Economic Growth, Energy, and the Environment
> 
> @cathyNovelli
> 
> 
> 
> Judith Heumann
> 
> Special Advisor for International Disability Rights
> 
> @IntDisability
> 
> 
> 
> As Federationists, I urge you to be active on Twitter Thursday. Remind our
> partners that Americans with disabilities will strongly benefit from this
> treaty. Below, please find some sample tweets, but also feel free to create
> your own. Additionally, attached to this message is a Twitter 101 document
> which gives an overview of this social media platform, as well as other tips
> and tricks to ensure this is a successful campaign. This document was
> created by our very own Danielle Trevino, Coordinator for Social Media and
> Member Engagement. 
> 
> 
> 
> As you craft your tweets be firm but polite, and please remember to use the
> hash tag #FeedTheBookFamine.
> 
> 
> 
> If you have any questions prior to, or on Thursday, please do not hesitate
> to reach out to me.
> 
> 
> 
> Let's go #FeedTheBookFamine so we can live the lives we want!
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Nov 12 04:15:42 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 20:15:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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	<60836F83-6D5A-415F-AF05-564FB29ED82E@gmail.com>
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Evening, Adam,

         Is your eyesight at a level of stability? Perhaps you ought 
to have learned braille while younger? Personally, in case you are 
interested, the beautiful dots to formulate much of what I  know are 
all I have ever known although nowadays, I have been blessed with a 
condition called tactile appraxia, which has interfeered with braille 
perceiving. So I am no longer a braille reader although I can 
still  visualize the complex caracters and when pressed, can write it.
Anyway, I hope you have a Stream, to record loectures and notes and 
to read textbooks.
Let me know if you wanna talk, okay?
Car  07:03 AM 10/31/2015, Justin Harford via nabs-l wrote:
>Yes, but public prosecutors and police enforce laws against murder. 
>The state does not take remotely the same interest in the ADA.
>
>
>
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what 
> this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to 
> provide all written materials in accessable formats, either 
> accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they 
> sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people break 
> the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws against murder "a joke."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> >
> > The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to 
> providing access for the blind other than the sometimes 
> availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a 
> waist of overnment services.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning 
> to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive 
> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too 
> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, 
> but this semester may get the better of me.
> > I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues 
> in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
> accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> > Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in 
> his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see 
> anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this 
> semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and 
> does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC 
> to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is 
> what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, 
> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We 
> have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make 
> the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the 
> screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the 
> program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable 
> to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it 
> wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill 
> this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't 
> have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase 
> one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it 
> arrives, the semester will be over.
> > HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to 
> slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the 
> midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you 
> get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any 
> slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost 
> begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> > Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does 
> it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for 
> my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, 
> but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> > English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the 
> beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the 
> hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) 
> Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other 
> sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the 
> quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop 
> her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out 
> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra 
> credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see 
> the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure 
> everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a 
> class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent 
> me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that 
> important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to 
> her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised 
> by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is 
> stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I 
> also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of 
> notes once a week.
> > ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in 
> my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to 
> tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind 
> at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up 
> these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the 
> situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got 
> someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone 
> above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her 
> enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has 
> been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone 
> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, 
> nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> > Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, 
> and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to 
> laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because 
> how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> > It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the 
> university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get 
> better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors 
> almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have 
> fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new 
> councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the 
> ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may 
> have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD 
> "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want 
> access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I 
> back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, 
> and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve 
> access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> > I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings 
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 04:39:30 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron Linson)
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 23:39:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing papers and editing with word
Message-ID: <005b01d11d04$1f9b2130$5ed16390$@gmail.com>

Hey guys,

So, I'm wondering how you write your papers in word? Not from a technical
standpoint but, from a layout and methodical side. I can make an outline and
try to follow it but, I find that I stray. Also, how do you edit when using
a screen reader? Do you create a new document with rewritten work then copy
and paste? 

                P.S. I can see some things on the screen but I use JAWS due
to the fact that it reads everything and causes less eye strain. Thanks for
any help you can provide. 

 

Thanks,

Aaron Linson 

Turning Disability into Ability <http://blindpodcaster.com/>  

 


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 05:22:11 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:22:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing papers and editing with word
In-Reply-To: <005b01d11d04$1f9b2130$5ed16390$@gmail.com>
References: <005b01d11d04$1f9b2130$5ed16390$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28CD73CA-0B3C-4E1E-8CD0-12388BF5DC98@gmail.com>

I will also would like these suggestion guys! since I am an English major, and I od have difficulties with mechnical errors on my papers and I use JAWS However, I am a totally blind student,and I have issues when I write a paper and I don't see read line before the words since i don't know wen if they are  wrong or not! Do you guys have any feedback about that in order to corect them? Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:39 PM, Aaron Linson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> So, I'm wondering how you write your papers in word? Not from a technical
> standpoint but, from a layout and methodical side. I can make an outline and
> try to follow it but, I find that I stray. Also, how do you edit when using
> a screen reader? Do you create a new document with rewritten work then copy
> and paste? 
> 
>                P.S. I can see some things on the screen but I use JAWS due
> to the fact that it reads everything and causes less eye strain. Thanks for
> any help you can provide. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> Turning Disability into Ability <http://blindpodcaster.com/>  
> 
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 12 06:13:13 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 01:13:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing papers and editing with word
In-Reply-To: <005b01d11d04$1f9b2130$5ed16390$@gmail.com>
References: <005b01d11d04$1f9b2130$5ed16390$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B79015A4A3BD4D8D8ED517CA9AED8A2B@OwnerPC>

Hi,
well, I just write them since the default margins are 1 inch. In Microsoft 
2007 and later, the default font and size is size 10 with callibre font. So 
change that to the standard type for papers and make it default; do this in 
the font dialogue box which you open by pressing control D.
Papers are generally written in 12 font  size with times new roman with 1 
inch margins.
Papers are also generally written with double spaced lines. You can either 
set it to double space lines at the beginning or double space it afterward.
Ask your professors if they want these settings; but generally they want 
double spaced papers with 1 inch margins; 12 point font and times new roman.
The default Word setting is single lines. Change to double space in the 
paragraph dialogue box. Alternatively, just double space it after you write. 
I find that easier. To do that, select all your document text with control 
A. Then press the double space command which is control 2; btw control 1 is 
single space.

You can insert page numbers under the insert tab. I've always have trouble 
with inserting headers but not all professors make you do that with  papers.
Remember when  quoting titles of books if you used them, you italicize the 
titles; that command is control  I.
These commands are toggles. So to turn italic off, press control I again.
In case you need it and do not know: bold is control B and underline is 
control U.

Good luck. We might be able to help more with knowing the version of Word 
you use and more specific questions.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Aaron Linson via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 11:39 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Aaron Linson
Subject: [nabs-l] writing papers and editing with word

Hey guys,

So, I'm wondering how you write your papers in word? Not from a technical
standpoint but, from a layout and methodical side. I can make an outline and
try to follow it but, I find that I stray. Also, how do you edit when using
a screen reader? Do you create a new document with rewritten work then copy
and paste?

                P.S. I can see some things on the screen but I use JAWS due
to the fact that it reads everything and causes less eye strain. Thanks for
any help you can provide.



Thanks,

Aaron Linson

Turning Disability into Ability <http://blindpodcaster.com/>



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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 15:27:52 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:27:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Preregister Today for the Maryland Association
	of Blind Students Business Meeting
Message-ID: <B1609771-27D6-4C8E-AA92-AA1E1C1C99E7@gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists:

The excitement is palpable! We're less than 24 hours away from the highlight of our fall season—the state convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland in Ocean City! I know we're all busy packing our bags for an exciting weekend with our Federation family, but I'd like to drop a quick note to remind you to take 5 minutes and preregister for the annual MDABS seminar and business meeting, to be held tomorrow from 2:00-4:00 PM in Suite 611. We have many informational and inspirational presentations slated for this meeting which you will not want to miss (see my previous email for a complete agenda.) So, skip the long lines, get into the meeting early and get ready to have a great time! To preregister for our meeting, please visit the following link:  
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/17gORdixerHziICLXIGGpSMPe0JVgKw90-_avbluo5eY/viewform?c=0&w=1

I look forward to seeing you all tomorrow for a time of fun, philosophy and friendship. See you in Ocean City!

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students

Sent from my iPhone

From GCazares at nfb.org  Thu Nov 12 16:35:03 2015
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:35:03 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Redoubling Our Efforts
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR0701MB16868E366AEB33E07A72D7CDDE120@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN3PR0701MB16868E366AEB33E07A72D7CDDE120@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB16866D2C2B391EF24F149527DE120@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Howdy Students,
I know we have active twitter users on this list, so please do your part. Help us bring awareness to the Marrakesh Treaty. This has a direct impact on you: interested in studying a foreign language? Want accessible materials in your native language with more frequency? You've got to help #FeedTheBookFamine

Tweet! Tweet! Tweet! See my message below for more information.

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>

From: Cazares, Gabe
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:56 AM
To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org; nfb-legislative-directors at nfbnet.org
Subject: Redoubling Our Efforts

Howdy Fellow Federationists,
Keep'em coming! Our presence on Twitter has been strong so far, but we are not backing down now! We have just heard from the White House, your efforts to raise the profile of the Marrakesh Treaty are being noticed. Our voices are being heard, but we can't stop now! If you have not done so already, please join your fellow Federationists by tweeting our partners to remind them that people with disabilities want to read! It's time to #FeedTheBookFamine

For your convenience, please find sample tweets below, and please don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions.

See y'all out on the Twitterverse!

...Gabe

It's time to #feedTheBookFamine. @maria_m_town, #PWD need to read. #MarrakeshTreaty

@IntDisability, please help move the radification package along. #FeedTheBookFamine #MarrakeshTreaty

The #MarrakeshTreaty means literacy for all. @cathyNovelli, please lend a hand. #FeedTheBookFamine

#PWD deserve equal and timely access to the printed word. @VJ44 #FeedTheBookFamine

Same Book, same time. #FeedTheBookFamine #MarrakeshTreaty @IntDisability @cathyNovelli

No time to waste! The #MarrakeshTreaty will #feedTheBookFamine @VJ44

300 million #pwd, 300 million reasons to #FeedTheBookFamine. #MarrakeshTreaty

There are 300 million hungry minds in the world. @IntDisability, you can help #FeedTheBookFamine. #MarrakeshTreaty

Books for 300 million = literacy for all. @cathyNovelli, you can help #FeedTheBookFamine. #MarrakeshTreaty.

[this tweet could work for all four] @[handle] now's the time to #FeedTheBookFamine. You can move the #MarrakeshTreaty forward.

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:44:42 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:44:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
totally blind? Thanks.

Kayla


From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:48:44 2015
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:48:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>

iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
> totally blind? Thanks.
> 
> Kayla
> 
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:56:19 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:56:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WXHanuX-QYgbFiTKBf-D+Y27HQdGNvWso=Deos=AsCYwA@mail.gmail.com>

That was going to be my first choice, but I'm just scoping out other
tablet options before I pick.

On 11/13/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini.
>
> Chelsea Peahl
>
>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>
>> Kayla
>>
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:18:04 2015
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:18:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WXHanuX-QYgbFiTKBf-D+Y27HQdGNvWso=Deos=AsCYwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>
	<CAP4F+WXHanuX-QYgbFiTKBf-D+Y27HQdGNvWso=Deos=AsCYwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE6FC56D-1861-44FD-A4D9-39A3EC6F2A4B@gmail.com>

What platform would you preferred to have? iOS? Android? Windows? 

Hope Paulos

> On Nov 13, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That was going to be my first choice, but I'm just scoping out other
> tablet options before I pick.
> 
>> On 11/13/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini.
>> 
>> Chelsea Peahl
>> 
>>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Kayla
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:30:04 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:30:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <FE6FC56D-1861-44FD-A4D9-39A3EC6F2A4B@gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>
	<CAP4F+WXHanuX-QYgbFiTKBf-D+Y27HQdGNvWso=Deos=AsCYwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE6FC56D-1861-44FD-A4D9-39A3EC6F2A4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WVSbBXTpP1EtM6MS+c6ShgKHHB1UKZhH8Ch7C=FPXi0MA@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I have worked with IOS and Android. I just want to know what are
some good tablets, or is it all just taken over by Apple?

On 11/13/15, Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What platform would you preferred to have? iOS? Android? Windows?
>
> Hope Paulos
>
>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> That was going to be my first choice, but I'm just scoping out other
>> tablet options before I pick.
>>
>>> On 11/13/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini.
>>>
>>> Chelsea Peahl
>>>
>>>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>>>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Kayla
>>>>
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From dwebster125 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:49:44 2015
From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (David Webster)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:49:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <FE6FC56D-1861-44FD-A4D9-39A3EC6F2A4B@gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY402-EAS77041172E295D92E1BA2F2E4110@phx.gbl>
	<CAP4F+WXHanuX-QYgbFiTKBf-D+Y27HQdGNvWso=Deos=AsCYwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FE6FC56D-1861-44FD-A4D9-39A3EC6F2A4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH1=Dy-1xVSgr+Xd2bDmmznSMr3sffiCwWshSYMvcUHgU+EgEg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a samsung galaxy tab pro wich ij6have.  Itruns android.had for
almost a yer no.   It worksgreatw and i love it
On Nov 13, 2015 2:19 PM, "Hope Paulos via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> What platform would you preferred to have? iOS? Android? Windows?
>
> Hope Paulos
>
> > On Nov 13, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > That was going to be my first choice, but I'm just scoping out other
> > tablet options before I pick.
> >
> >> On 11/13/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini.
> >>
> >> Chelsea Peahl
> >>
> >>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
> >>> totally blind? Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Kayla
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 22:54:28 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:54:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
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Is it good for someone who is totally blind?

On 11/13/15, David Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have a samsung galaxy tab pro wich ij6have.  Itruns android.had for
> almost a yer no.   It worksgreatw and i love it
> On Nov 13, 2015 2:19 PM, "Hope Paulos via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> What platform would you preferred to have? iOS? Android? Windows?
>>
>> Hope Paulos
>>
>> > On Nov 13, 2015, at 4:56 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > That was going to be my first choice, but I'm just scoping out other
>> > tablet options before I pick.
>> >
>> >> On 11/13/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> iPad. I use the iPad 2, and the iPad mini.
>> >>
>> >> Chelsea Peahl
>> >>
>> >>> On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>> >>> totally blind? Thanks.
>> >>>
>> >>> Kayla
>> >>>
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From fowlers at syix.com  Fri Nov 13 23:35:53 2015
From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 15:35:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Apply now for the 2016 Chemistry Camp
Message-ID: <001801d11e6c$09fc3580$1df4a080$@syix.com>


Accessible Science is Pleased to Announce the 2016 Chemistry Camp for Blind
and Visually Impaired High School Students




Would you like to learn how blind people tackle the visual subject of
organic chemistry successfully? Do you have a general love for science? Do
you want to learn how you can do chemistry as a blind person just as
successfully as your sighted peers? Are you interested in how blind
professionals use science in their careers every day? If the answer to any
of these is “Yes!” then the 2016 Chemistry Camp is for you!
Come join Accessible Science and Credo High School for an educational,
exciting, and fun-filled weekend of hands-on science!
● When: Friday, March 18, 2016 through Sunday, March 20, 2016.
● Where: Enchanted Hills Camp, 3410 Mt Veeder Rd, Napa, CA 94558
● Who: Up to twelve legally blind high school students will be selected to
participate. Don’t hesitate to apply if you are in middle school or just
out of high school. We do make exceptions.
For more information and to apply, visit:

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Questions? Email me at angela.fowler at accessiblescience.org

Hope to see you at camp!

Angela Fowler


From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Nov 14 01:13:26 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 17:13:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.g
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AsItPertainsTo Google'sAndroid, Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 & Google's Nexus

And for Apple's iOS, iPad Air, iPadMini, & iPadPro

For Microsoft Windows10-Windows10Mobile, ToDate (Current) Microsoft's 
Surface Pro3 & Surface Pro4
At 01:44 PM 11/13/2015, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>totally blind? Thanks.
>
>Kayla
>
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 03:58:01 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 21:58:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
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Hi Kayla.
Apple has some awesome products, that have accessibility already built in.

On 11/13/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
> totally blind? Thanks.
>
> Kayla
>
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Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Nov 14 04:43:33 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:43:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Drawing Lewis Structures
Message-ID: <CANvQTY7Rw7ZHm1FPOWP=G4TAoqkkDqyD7oL7qvW6R3m19_SUDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

Are there any Chemistry students out there that understand how to
draw Lewis
Structures? I am finding that they are extremely visual, and difficult to
represent in a way that is helpful.

Does any one know of any secret tricks that have helped you draw an
accurate Lewis Structure for
a molecule?
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated, as I really really want to
succeed in Chemistry!
Thank you!
Kennedy Stomberg

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 09:04:25 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 04:04:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Drawing Lewis Structures
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Kennedy,
I am not a chemistry major. However, I studied AP chemistry in high 
school and had to learn the Lewis structure.
I remember that my teacher used 3d dots to show me what it is supposed 
to look like.
However, after that I just wrote out a description of how the structure 
would look like.
It may depend on your professor and/or TA, but from what I remember, 
what was more important was that I understood what the structure was 
and what the underlying concepts were rather than actually being able 
to draw the structures.
I am sure others on the list with more science background can help you 
further, but hope this is helpful in a way.
Best,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 8:44 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] Drawing Lewis Structures

Hello Friends,

Are there any Chemistry students out there that understand how to
draw Lewis
Structures? I am finding that they are extremely visual, and difficult 
to
represent in a way that is helpful.

Does any one know of any secret tricks that have helped you draw an
accurate Lewis Structure for
a molecule?
Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated, as I really really 
want to
succeed in Chemistry!
Thank you!
Kennedy Stomberg
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 13:45:29 2015
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:45:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Drawing Lewis Structures
Message-ID: <56473b11.574d370a.e5e43.7616@mx.google.com>

Hi Kennedy,
First, let me say that there is no doubt that you can (and will) 
succeed in Chemistry.  For drawing Lewis Structures, I too looked 
at the 3-D model provided in class (it's pretty standard that all 
Chem teachers/profs have one).  Based on the 3-D model, I drew 
the structure (complete with bonds, angles etc.) on a draftsman 
board.  You can use any type of swell paper- it doesn't need to 
be that specific brand.  I found that using something where both 
the instructor and I could see the Lewis Structure laid out was 
helpful.  I also tried descriptions for them which worked 
sometimes but not others.  It depends on your learning style 
though, if the LS was long or complex and I didn't see it drawn 
out I would forget things in my description.  If it was short, 
(like water or carbon dioxide) I had no problem describing it.
Hope this helps,
Lizzy


From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 14 18:42:33 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] writing papers and editing with word
Message-ID: <CALEYb2vLMZqFgQhgx8kJrHWVaZ0Nhrk3vhcpx3VZqCzxin4cVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Helga,
I think what you were asking about or getting at is the spell checker?
If you press F7 it should bring up the spell check dialogue and take
you through the spelling and grammar issues that Word thinks you need
to correct.  You can also search for this in the menus/ribbons under
edit or review.
Best of luck!

Sarah
-- 
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Ball State University
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Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Nov 15 01:53:11 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 01:53:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Test Format
References: <361354236.2804760.1447552391856.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <361354236.2804760.1447552391856.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,           Could you tell me whether you took the GRE  on the computer or in the written test with reader format? I am trying the practice version of the computer, but the CD does not appear to be compatible  with my computer, so I can't really gage if this format would work for me. Any other GRE advice or experiences is also appreciated.

Best,Kaley

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 04:04:05 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 20:04:05 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] docs
Message-ID: <5648044f.44e5440a.a3f51.ffff81ff@mx.google.com>

Hi, how do I clear up the trash from my google drive account? I'm 
using the google chrome app on my iphone.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 08:32:24 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 03:32:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Test Format
Message-ID: <56484349.dd106b0a.3de40.0f34@mx.google.com>

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ompatible=20with=20
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make=20that=20
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the=20
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disability=20
support,=20they=20have=20been=20very=20helpful=20to=20me.

Best,
Karl

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To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20Mailing=20List=20
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Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20GRE=20Test=20Format

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=20tell=20me=20whether=20you=20took=20the=20
GRE=20=C2=A0on=20the=20computer=20or=20in=20the=20written=20test=20with=20r=
eader=20format?=20
I=20am=20trying=20the=20practice=20version=20of=20the=20computer,=20but=20t=
he=20CD=20does=20
not=20appear=20to=20be=20compatible=20=C2=A0with=20my=20computer,=20so=20I=
=20can't=20really=20
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From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 18:38:08 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 13:38:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] GRE test format
Message-ID: <000001d11fd4$cd3363c0$679a2b40$@gmail.com>

Hi Kaley,

I took the GRE in Braille with a scribe who was available to serve as a
reader if/when needed for questions of clarification on the math sections.
I used a computer with JAWS to write my essays in NotePad.  I loved being
able to take the exam in Braille.  Also, there are practice tests in Braille
(I still have a couple and am looking to get rid of them actually), as well
as specific study materials for math (which I definitely needed since I
hadn't taken math for 7 years).  I don't know if you read Braille and if
that is something you would be comfortable with or not, but if it is an
option for you, I highly recommend going that route.

Also, as someone else mentioned, contact ETS disability services with any
issues/concerns right away and see what they suggest for your specific
situation.  If you do want Braille practice tests, feel free to email me
off-list with your contact info and I'll send you what I have.

 

Good luck!

 

Sarah

 

Sarah K. Meyer

Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology

Ball State University

Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division

Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate

sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com

(317)402-6632

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you
want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Nov 16 01:13:28 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 17:13:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <auto-000041261674@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
	<auto-000041261674@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.232.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Dave,

I love my free stick! And yes, once it has become part of you, 
positioning it is a rare inconveniance, Even if you gotta hold it in 
your mouth by the little string.At 01:03 AM 11/7/2015, David Andrews 
via nabs-l wrote:
>Personally I prefeer the straight fiberglass cane, the one you get 
>for free.  Folding canes just aren't as reliable, and once you learn 
>how you can position your straight cane, having it is rarely an 
>inconvenience.  I have even taken mine on a motorcycle.
>
>Dave
>
>
>>Hello NABS,
>>I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
>>My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon 
>>fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it 
>>does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only 
>>lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. 
>>(Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the 
>>longest I have used it was 2 years)
>>I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my 
>>nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me 
>>the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
>>
>>My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get 
>>it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes 
>>an inconvenience at times.
>>
>>I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane 
>>products that are available.
>>
>>If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under 
>>$50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
>>
>>Best,
>>Miso
>
>         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 01:47:05 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 20:47:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
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References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1E4A2B47-3771-44C6-9475-AED945977E15@gmail.com>

Hey Miso,

I am a fan of folding canes as well. I do like my rigid NFB cane, but I find folding canes to be a little more convenient when in small spaces or traveling (it can be folded and put under a chair or in an overhead bin on a plane). I also usually like heavier canes, so I am a big fan of Revolution and Ambutech canes. Previously I carried a folding revolution cane with a large rolling tip and golf grip handle, and it was graphite. I carried that for about 5 years and still own it although I have put it into "retirement" if you will, or put it away as a back up, rather. Most recently I have been carrying an Ambutech folding cane with a large rolling tip and golf grip, which is heavier than the Revolution cane. It has aluminum reinforcementsat the folds that can be twisted to keep the cane rigid, and it's made of graphite. It also has a special coating to prevent some wear and tear. I tend to lean toward heavier more durable canes that last longer, although I know some people prefer the lightweight canes as well. Hope that helps. 

Meaghan Roper


> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
> My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used it was 2 years)
> I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
> 
> My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an inconvenience at times.
> 
> I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products that are available.
> 
> If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
> 
> Best,
> Miso
> 
> 
> 
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 02:07:19 2015
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (cullen)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:07:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recommendations for Cane
In-Reply-To: <1E4A2B47-3771-44C6-9475-AED945977E15@gmail.com>
References: <8D2E560E8A210DD-4EC-A0B7F@webmail-vm062.sysops.aol.com>
	<1E4A2B47-3771-44C6-9475-AED945977E15@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6D2883D-4F94-4165-B566-B3824F0483E5@gmail.com>

Hi All,
buyer beware, the light weight canes break easily. I had a very nice compact folding cane that I bought from Future aids,  and It broke the other day. I only got a months use out of it. I am back to using my old folding amputech cane. I also enjoy my free NFB cane. 
Good Luck.

Cullen Gallagher
Audio Production
Blindinsider
website www.blindinsider.wordpress.com <http://www.blindinsider.wordpress.com/>

Podbean podcast feed page, www.blindinsider.podbean.com <http://www.blindinsider.podbean.com/>




> On Nov 15, 2015, at 8:47 PM, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Miso,
> 
> I am a fan of folding canes as well. I do like my rigid NFB cane, but I find folding canes to be a little more convenient when in small spaces or traveling (it can be folded and put under a chair or in an overhead bin on a plane). I also usually like heavier canes, so I am a big fan of Revolution and Ambutech canes. Previously I carried a folding revolution cane with a large rolling tip and golf grip handle, and it was graphite. I carried that for about 5 years and still own it although I have put it into "retirement" if you will, or put it away as a back up, rather. Most recently I have been carrying an Ambutech folding cane with a large rolling tip and golf grip, which is heavier than the Revolution cane. It has aluminum reinforcementsat the folds that can be twisted to keep the cane rigid, and it's made of graphite. It also has a special coating to prevent some wear and tear. I tend to lean toward heavier more durable canes that last longer, although I know some people prefer the lightweight canes as well. Hope that helps. 
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> 
> 
>> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello NABS,
>> I am writing to get some cane recommendations.
>> My most preferred kind of a cane is NFB folding cane made of carbon fiber. I like it for its light weight, tip, and foldability. But it does not seem as durable when it comes to collision. One only lasted for two weeks and one before that lasted about 3 months. (Normally my canes have been lasting me at least 6 months to the longest I have used it was 2 years)
>> I am a fast walker so I prefer a cane that comes up to about my nose, light weight, and a sensitive tip when it comes to giving me the information about the ground I am traveling and object my cane hits.
>> 
>> My second preference is NFB straight cane (the one that we can get it for free) I use this often but the fact I cannot fold it becomes an inconvenience at times.
>> 
>> I just would like to hear others' reviews about different cane products that are available.
>> 
>> If you have a cane that is light, durable, and affordable (under $50) with a tip that easily gives information, please let me know.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Miso
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From mister.alexander.scott.kaiser at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 02:39:13 2015
From: mister.alexander.scott.kaiser at gmail.com (Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser)
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ideas for the New Jersey association of blind students
	state Board and ideas for the National association of Blind
	Students national board: very immediate very urgent
	consideration is very immediately very necessary
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADRv1fiSjU5Om2ZtkhRWZ6HCgAAAEAAAANsJYsSaGaBAgzsI68RANcsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

To Whom It May Concern: 

Hello this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. I have ideas for the New Jersey
association of blind students  Board to make the New Jersey Association of
blind students a more communicable division. Can the New Jersey Association
of Blind Students board and the National Association of Blind students
National board create  legislative committees comprising of a state board
member,  a national board member, a state student division officer, a
national association of blind students national officer, and 2  members of
the student body of the New Jersey Asociation of Blind Students and two
members of the Student body of the National Asociation of Blind Students?
Can the New Jersey Association of Blind Students board establish a concert
fundrraiser with me playing the piano to a croud of people and have tickets
priced reasonably to raise money for the student division? Can the board of
New Jersey Association of Blind students and the Board of the National
Association of Blind Students have a rising leader leadership seminar in
conjunction with the 40TH state convention of the National Federation of the
Blind of New Jersey in Manahawkin, New Jersey from November 10, 2016 through
November 13, 2016? Can the New Jersey association of Blind Students  board
and the national association of Blind students national board host a student
legislative advocate leadership seminar at the November 10-November 13 2016
National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey State convention in
Manahawkin, New Jersey? Can the state board of the New Jersey Association of
Blind students organize a monty Carlo cacino game night for the New Jersey
Association of Blind Students at the 40TH state convention of the National
Federation of the Blind of New Jersey to raise money for the state division?
Please let me know if these are tangebel ideas. Please call me at
1.732.202.6795, 1.848.863.8049 and 1.848.205.0208 and email me with a high
importance,  confedential sensitivity, message sent receipt  message read
receipt and reply addresses in Microsoft outlook at
MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER at GMAIL.COM
<mailto:MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER at GMAIL.COM> .  Thank you for your time
and consideration.

Sincerely,

Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser

P.S. Thank you and I hope you have a fantastic, happy, wealthy, prosperous,
wonderful, excellent and prosperous thanksgiving!


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 12:06:26 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 07:06:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ideas for the New Jersey association of blind students
	state Board and ideas for the National association of Blind
	Students national board: very immediate very urgent
	consideration is very immediately very necessary
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADRv1fiSjU5Om2ZtkhRWZ6HCgAAAEAAAANsJYsSaGaBAgzsI68RANcsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADRv1fiSjU5Om2ZtkhRWZ6HCgAAAEAAAANsJYsSaGaBAgzsI68RANcsBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63F3B16E-AF84-43CF-A8D9-B9685C536B9E@gmail.com>

Hello All:

This message comes to us from a person who has repeatedly been banned from our list because of his previous spam emails. Despite repeated disciplinary actions taken against him by our moderators, he manages to create a new email account and re-subscribe to the list, only to continue the same actions which had gotten him banned in the past. David Andrews, our list owner, has told us in the past that there is nothing he can do to prevent someone who has previously been banned from the list from subscribing again with a new account. I would advise, then, that we simply ignore this message and any others we receive from this person, lest we give him any undeserved atention. Thanks for your understanding.

Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2015, at 9:39 PM, Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> To Whom It May Concern: 
> 
> Hello this is Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser. I have ideas for the New Jersey
> association of blind students  Board to make the New Jersey Association of
> blind students a more communicable division. Can the New Jersey Association
> of Blind Students board and the National Association of Blind students
> National board create  legislative committees comprising of a state board
> member,  a national board member, a state student division officer, a
> national association of blind students national officer, and 2  members of
> the student body of the New Jersey Asociation of Blind Students and two
> members of the Student body of the National Asociation of Blind Students?
> Can the New Jersey Association of Blind Students board establish a concert
> fundrraiser with me playing the piano to a croud of people and have tickets
> priced reasonably to raise money for the student division? Can the board of
> New Jersey Association of Blind students and the Board of the National
> Association of Blind Students have a rising leader leadership seminar in
> conjunction with the 40TH state convention of the National Federation of the
> Blind of New Jersey in Manahawkin, New Jersey from November 10, 2016 through
> November 13, 2016? Can the New Jersey association of Blind Students  board
> and the national association of Blind students national board host a student
> legislative advocate leadership seminar at the November 10-November 13 2016
> National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey State convention in
> Manahawkin, New Jersey? Can the state board of the New Jersey Association of
> Blind students organize a monty Carlo cacino game night for the New Jersey
> Association of Blind Students at the 40TH state convention of the National
> Federation of the Blind of New Jersey to raise money for the state division?
> Please let me know if these are tangebel ideas. Please call me at
> 1.732.202.6795, 1.848.863.8049 and 1.848.205.0208 and email me with a high
> importance,  confedential sensitivity, message sent receipt  message read
> receipt and reply addresses in Microsoft outlook at
> MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER at GMAIL.COM
> <mailto:MISTER.ALEXANDER.SCOTT.KAISER at GMAIL.COM> .  Thank you for your time
> and consideration.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Mr. Alexander Scott Kaiser
> 
> P.S. Thank you and I hope you have a fantastic, happy, wealthy, prosperous,
> wonderful, excellent and prosperous thanksgiving!
> 
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 20:35:22 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 15:35:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Free lesson on Microsoft Excel Pivot Table
Message-ID: <CAO2euMcNDq5RK7OjtDEx2doZ_cgT63auAYcvAcszwD0BQ44cHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

 My name is Phil So. I am designing a course on Microsoft Excel Pivot
 Table for blind and low vision computer users. I'm recruiting both
 screen-reader and magnification users who are interested in receiving
 a brief 30-minute Excel Pivot Table lesson over the phone for
 absolutely free.  In exchange I'd be very grateful if you would give
 me constructive feedback to help me improve the clarity and relevance
 of the lessons. If you are interested in becoming a participant,
 please send me an email at philso1003 at gmail.com.  You should have
 basic knowledge of Excel but do not need to have any prior knowledge
 about Pivot Table.
 Thanks everyone! Please also read the information and article below
 for more about Pivot Table.

 Best,
 Phil So

 FYI, many professionals cite Pivot Table as one of the most important
 and useful Excel skills to have. A search on job search site
 Indeed.com for "Pivot Table" yields job results such as Research
 Assistant, Operation Assistant, Program Evaluation Research Analyst,
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 Click on the links below to see jobs that require Pivot Table:

 Sample Los Angeles job search results:
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 Lastly, below is an article called "5 Microsoft Word and Excel Skills
 You Must Have to Succeed At Your Workplace". Pay attention to skill
 #3!

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 office workers with abject terror and fear. Well, it doesn’t have to
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 sure you’ve got these skills.

 Microsoft Excel Skills

 Skill #1: Make Use Of Autofill
 You can save a tremendous amount of time with two methods of filling
 in data in Excel. Skill #1 is the “autofill” feature –  filling out
 numbered data in columns and rows.  While tutoring a realtor on how to
 use Excel to replace his paper financial documentation, I learned
 quickly that many people are not aware of this one, single feature of
 Excel that can save hours of data entry. To use it, simply type
 anything into the first cell that ends in a number.
 Click and hold the lower-right corner of the cell, and drag the mouse
 down the column. You’ll notice that the number on the right will
 automatically increment for each cell.

 Skill #2: Use Autofill For Formulas
 Skill #2 to learn is using autofill for formulas. If you write a
 function at the bottom of each column – for example averaging all of
 the values in that column – you can use this same autofill feature to
 do the same calculation at the bottom of each other column as well.
 You’ve basically performed the identical formula for every column in
 just a few seconds, and you didn’t even have to type another
 keystroke.

 Skill #3: Manage Data Easily With The PivotTable Tool
 The third skill you really need to learn in Excel if you want to save
 yourself a tremendous amount of analysis time is a tool called a
 PivotTable.  PivotTable is accessible under the “Insert” menu. Just
 look for the “PivotTable” icon. If you click this icon after
 highlighting an entire table of data (including headers), the
 PivotTable tool summarizes, organizes and analyzes that data and
 brings it into a new sheet where you can manipulate that data in
 various ways.
 The PivotTable tool allows you to select the columns of data that you
 want to analyze, and then choose how you want to manipulate the data.
 Simply add them all up? Average them? Calculate the standard
 deviation?

 Using a PivotTable saves a tremendous amount of time. To accomplish
 these same things in a standard Excel sheet would require all sorts of
 functions and re-formatting data. PivotTables automatically do the
 work, while you can spend more of your time studying the results.



 Microsoft Word Skills

 Skill #4: Format & Re-Use Headers
 The reason headers are important is because once you have a good
 header design for something like a letter or a certain type of report
 that you have to fill out, you never have to design or create that
 header again. You can save a document with all of the header
 formatting you need, and save all of that effort the next time you
 create the same document. Headers can be formatted by clicking on the
“Insert” menu and choosing the “Header” icon.

 Once you review the header editing menu, you’ll see just how versatile
 and useful headers can be. You can automatically have headers
 alternate between two designs between even and odd pages, and you can
 even break your document into sections and give each section its own
 unique header.

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 documents for the various documents you have to write up for your job,
 saving a tremendous amount of time.

 Skill #5: Manage Page Layout
 The next Microsoft Word skill that every office worker should know is
 how to set up and preview the page format of any document.
 Understanding how to do this gives you the flexibility to make a
 document look however you want, rather than being stuck with the
 default settings for things like page margin size (which many people
 have no clue how to change).
 A few of the tools you should learn to format page layout are on the
“Insert” menu. Things like the “Page Number” tool, which will automate
 and manage the page numbering for you.

 The bulk of the page formatting options you need are actually on the
 aptly named “Page Layout” menu.  If you’re writing up a newsletter for
 your company, why mess around with manually trying to work out the
 formatting into sections of the page when you can just use the
“Columns” tool found here to do this?

 And that mysterious margin around the page that most people call their
 local IT technician to learn  how to modify? Don’t bother calling,
 just click on the “Page Borders” icon, go to the “Page Border” tab,
 and click on “Options.”

You can set top, bottom, left and right page margins there. By the
 way, on that “Borders and Shading” menu, check out all of the other
 cool things you can do, like place border lines on any side of the
 page, apply to only sections of the document, and much more.
 Learning these MS Word and Excel skills, you’ll impress everyone in


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 16 21:41:05 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:41:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this morning
Message-ID: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning 
to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New 
Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how 
that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and 
suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing 
something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for 
the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an 
organization for blind students, which is exactly what 
discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a 
new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted 
the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting 
that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know 
him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not 
saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions 
against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators 
consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will 
not be taken against me for just being curious.

Hope to hear from you soon.

Thanks,

Sami


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 21:55:36 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 13:55:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sami and all,
I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, list moderator

On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning
> to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
> Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how
> that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
> suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
> something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for
> the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
> organization for blind students, which is exactly what
> discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a
> new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted
> the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting
> that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know
> him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not
> saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions
> against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators
> consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will
> not be taken against me for just being curious.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Nov 17 03:30:30 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:30:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5Scgya-MHVrrJwLAm9CZ7rOgJQgZZs6A+HCPGJTHtaCw@mail.gmail.com>

Wait... Is this the same guy who posted this summer, asking for girls to
write  about how their hands smell? Yeah... He's a strange one.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Sami and all,
> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
> Best,
> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
>
> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning
> > to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
> > Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how
> > that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
> > suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
> > something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for
> > the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
> > organization for blind students, which is exactly what
> > discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a
> > new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted
> > the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting
> > that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know
> > him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not
> > saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions
> > against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators
> > consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will
> > not be taken against me for just being curious.
> >
> > Hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sami
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 03:32:52 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:32:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post
	this	morning
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY5Scgya-MHVrrJwLAm9CZ7rOgJQgZZs6A+HCPGJTHtaCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY5Scgya-MHVrrJwLAm9CZ7rOgJQgZZs6A+HCPGJTHtaCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007201d120e8$a4697050$ed3c50f0$@gmail.com>

Yeah, that old boy is a bit out there deep in the dandy lions. 
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
morning

Wait... Is this the same guy who posted this summer, asking for girls to
write  about how their hands smell? Yeah... He's a strange one.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Sami and all,
> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically 
> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes 
> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his 
> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent 
> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not 
> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it 
> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he 
> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex 
> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post 
> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
> Best,
> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
>
> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning to 
> > a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New 
> > Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how that 
> > message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and 
> > suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing 
> > something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for the 
> > list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an 
> > organization for blind students, which is exactly what discussions 
> > on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a new thread 
> > instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted the last 
> > thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting that Alex 
> > should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know him, although 
> > I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not saying that 
> > David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions against him, I am 
> > simply curious as to why the moderators consider the email spam.  I 
> > hope that disciplinary action will not be taken against me for just 
> > being curious.
> >
> > Hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sami
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 04:06:09 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 20:06:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <007201d120e8$a4697050$ed3c50f0$@gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY5Scgya-MHVrrJwLAm9CZ7rOgJQgZZs6A+HCPGJTHtaCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201d120e8$a4697050$ed3c50f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCR7fkLhmHfxdKFZT1HK7GfzyfKH8YPSWhh0b6b4MieNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nope that was a different Alex.
Arielle

On 11/16/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yeah, that old boy is a bit out there deep in the dandy lions.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
> KENNEDY via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
> morning
>
> Wait... Is this the same guy who posted this summer, asking for girls to
> write  about how their hands smell? Yeah... He's a strange one.
>
> On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sami and all,
>> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
>> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
>> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
>> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
>> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
>> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
>> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
>> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
>> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
>> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
>> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
>> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
>> Best,
>> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
>>
>> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning to
>> > a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
>> > Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how that
>> > message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
>> > suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
>> > something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for the
>> > list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
>> > organization for blind students, which is exactly what discussions
>> > on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a new thread
>> > instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted the last
>> > thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting that Alex
>> > should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know him, although
>> > I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not saying that
>> > David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions against him, I am
>> > simply curious as to why the moderators consider the email spam.  I
>> > hope that disciplinary action will not be taken against me for just
>> > being curious.
>> >
>> > Hope to hear from you soon.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Sami
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Nov 17 04:31:45 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:31:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCR7fkLhmHfxdKFZT1HK7GfzyfKH8YPSWhh0b6b4MieNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY5Scgya-MHVrrJwLAm9CZ7rOgJQgZZs6A+HCPGJTHtaCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<007201d120e8$a4697050$ed3c50f0$@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCR7fkLhmHfxdKFZT1HK7GfzyfKH8YPSWhh0b6b4MieNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Really? We do get some odd people on this list sometimes...

On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 10:06 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Nope that was a different Alex.
> Arielle
>
> On 11/16/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Yeah, that old boy is a bit out there deep in the dandy lions.
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
> > KENNEDY via nabs-l
> > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 10:31 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
> > morning
> >
> > Wait... Is this the same guy who posted this summer, asking for girls to
> > write  about how their hands smell? Yeah... He's a strange one.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Sami and all,
> >> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
> >> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
> >> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
> >> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
> >> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
> >> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
> >> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
> >> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
> >> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
> >> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
> >> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
> >> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
> >> Best,
> >> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
> >>
> >> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning to
> >> > a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
> >> > Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how that
> >> > message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
> >> > suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
> >> > something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for the
> >> > list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
> >> > organization for blind students, which is exactly what discussions
> >> > on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a new thread
> >> > instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted the last
> >> > thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting that Alex
> >> > should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know him, although
> >> > I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not saying that
> >> > David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions against him, I am
> >> > simply curious as to why the moderators consider the email spam.  I
> >> > hope that disciplinary action will not be taken against me for just
> >> > being curious.
> >> >
> >> > Hope to hear from you soon.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Sami
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > nabs-l mailing list
> >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> >> > for
> >> > nabs-l:
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> >> com
> >> >
> >>
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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 05:23:47 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 00:23:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] State Updates for the November Edition of NABS Notes
Message-ID: <2CAABC1E-ECE8-4838-9CCC-3AE6DBAF5B10@gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists, 
I hope you all are having an enjoyable November thus far! It's that time once again to send along any state updates that you and your state student division would like to be included in this month's edition of the NABS Notes. To ensure that your state student division's update is included, please send them to hbwilliams16 at gmail.com by Friday, November 20th. I look forward to reading all of your announcements and updates and including them in the NABS Notes! 
All Best, 
Hindley Williams 
     

   

From djdan567 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 06:03:55 2015
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 23:03:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8540B85A-4665-44B0-9ACB-1EA867D94DD7@gmail.com>

This Alex character has the history of creating various email and Facebook accounts to harass individuals. He will consistently use a new email to get a new Facebook account to add the people who will add him or who have blocked him on other accounts. He's super immature, has no respect for anyone and I think the choices of him getting band were made properly. He doesn't need to be around. That's just the truth.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 16, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sami and all,
> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
> Best,
> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
> 
>> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning
>> to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
>> Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how
>> that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
>> suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
>> something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for
>> the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
>> organization for blind students, which is exactly what
>> discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a
>> new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted
>> the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting
>> that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know
>> him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not
>> saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions
>> against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators
>> consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will
>> not be taken against me for just being curious.
>> 
>> Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sami
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 06:11:58 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 01:11:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <8540B85A-4665-44B0-9ACB-1EA867D94DD7@gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8540B85A-4665-44B0-9ACB-1EA867D94DD7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ4Ufd44j2tED1zY1qxnMq+CurbYAQ+KiA6_V8_yZRk+g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Aside from any issues of transgressions on the list in the past, the
national nabs list is not necessarily even the best place to send
specific suggestions for a particular state division anyway.  If what
you're saying applies to all divisions then yes, but I do believe New
Jersey's division has a list serve of its own, and that it would make
more sense and have a better chance of reaching the board of that
particular division if that list was used propperly by the student in
question.  It would be like blasting something over NFBnet's
announcement list with something specifically geared towards an
affiliate president or board.  I don't think any of the lists are
frivolous, and lists for those smaller state divisions are available
for just these kinds of purposes.

On 11/17/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This Alex character has the history of creating various email and Facebook
> accounts to harass individuals. He will consistently use a new email to get
> a new Facebook account to add the people who will add him or who have
> blocked him on other accounts. He's super immature, has no respect for
> anyone and I think the choices of him getting band were made properly. He
> doesn't need to be around. That's just the truth.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sami and all,
>> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
>> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
>> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
>> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
>> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
>> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
>> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
>> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
>> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
>> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
>> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
>> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
>> Best,
>> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
>>
>>> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning
>>> to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
>>> Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how
>>> that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
>>> suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
>>> something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for
>>> the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
>>> organization for blind students, which is exactly what
>>> discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a
>>> new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted
>>> the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting
>>> that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know
>>> him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not
>>> saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions
>>> against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators
>>> consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will
>>> not be taken against me for just being curious.
>>>
>>> Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Sami
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 16:06:41 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:06:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZ4Ufd44j2tED1zY1qxnMq+CurbYAQ+KiA6_V8_yZRk+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CALAYQJBNKQD41fwSTzDvHPw-1HRAZH6KrFOizB6-w8tQRxWtdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8540B85A-4665-44B0-9ACB-1EA867D94DD7@gmail.com>
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If we are speaking about maturity and proper etiquette on a public
forum, why are messages blasting his character, questionable or not
allowed to go to the list? David Andrews and Arielle took appropriate
actions to ban him, so can we call it quits and move on?

Thanks,
Minh

On 11/17/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Aside from any issues of transgressions on the list in the past, the
> national nabs list is not necessarily even the best place to send
> specific suggestions for a particular state division anyway.  If what
> you're saying applies to all divisions then yes, but I do believe New
> Jersey's division has a list serve of its own, and that it would make
> more sense and have a better chance of reaching the board of that
> particular division if that list was used propperly by the student in
> question.  It would be like blasting something over NFBnet's
> announcement list with something specifically geared towards an
> affiliate president or board.  I don't think any of the lists are
> frivolous, and lists for those smaller state divisions are available
> for just these kinds of purposes.
>
> On 11/17/15, Daniel Romero via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> This Alex character has the history of creating various email and
>> Facebook
>> accounts to harass individuals. He will consistently use a new email to
>> get
>> a new Facebook account to add the people who will add him or who have
>> blocked him on other accounts. He's super immature, has no respect for
>> anyone and I think the choices of him getting band were made properly. He
>> doesn't need to be around. That's just the truth.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2015, at 2:55 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Sami and all,
>>> I agree with you that Alex's message yesterday was legitimate.
>>> However, over the last four or five years, Alex has periodically
>>> posted mass emails to all of the NFBNet and ACB lists and sometimes
>>> has sent the same message repeatedly over several hours. Some of his
>>> email blasts on our NFB lists have been about ACB-related organizing.
>>> It also appears that his message yesterday was simultaneously sent
>>> from about fifteen different email addresses of his. I am not
>>> concerned about the content of the message he posted yesterday, but it
>>> is concerning that Dave has asked him to leave in the past and he
>>> continues to re-subscribe under different email addresses. If Alex
>>> wants to subscribe to our list under just one email address and post
>>> just one message at a time, I would be OK with that.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle Silverman, list moderator
>>>
>>>> On 11/16/15, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning
>>>> to a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New
>>>> Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how
>>>> that message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and
>>>> suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing
>>>> something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for
>>>> the list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an
>>>> organization for blind students, which is exactly what
>>>> discussions on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a
>>>> new thread instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted
>>>> the last thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting
>>>> that Alex should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know
>>>> him, although I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not
>>>> saying that David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions
>>>> against him, I am simply curious as to why the moderators
>>>> consider the email spam.  I hope that disciplinary action will
>>>> not be taken against me for just being curious.
>>>>
>>>> Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Sami
>>>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
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-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 19:43:52 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 14:43:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FINAL REMINDER: Washington Seminar funding application is
	due this Sunday!!
Message-ID: <7DAD6E83-1D1F-4C0D-AC33-F946B68BEB10@gmail.com>

Good afternoon NABS!
>  
> With less than one week to apply for some financial support to attend Washington Seminar, we urge those who are interested to fill out the below link!
>  
> We are extremely excited to have an impressive student turnout at the 2016 Washington Seminar. Washington Seminar is an empowering and meaningful experience where students can not only learn a ton, but also help the Federation build a brighter future for blind Americans. I urge each of you to strongly consider taking part in the Washington Seminar, and encourage anybody who requires financial support to do so to take advantage of this funding opportunity.
> Applications are due November 22. Please simply read the instructions and requirements and fill out the form here:
> http://goo.gl/forms/m5rhwqFU8Z 
>  
> If you apply, you will receive a decision on your application no later than December 15, leaving ample time for transportation and hotel bookings.
>  
> Please keep in mind that this effort is intended to provide funding to students who would be otherwise unable to attend Washington Seminar due to financial hardship. If you, your parents, your local chapter or state affiliate, or anybody else is providing or could provide financial support to enable you to make the trip, please take advantage of those other opportunities. Receiving financial support from another entity does not necessarily make you ineligible for this funding. Please only apply if you truly 
> *NEED* 
> the help to attend Washington Seminar. Finally, be aware that if you are granted financial support, you will be required to attend meetings and functions in DC from 9am January 25 to 5pm January 27.
>  
> Thank you for your participation; and the NABS Board looks forward to seeing you all in D.C. at the end of January!

Yours,
Kathryn webster 
>  

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Nov 18 00:21:59 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:21:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
 morning
In-Reply-To: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NXX00JGBG8N7L70@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <auto-000042791421@mailfront1.g2host.com>

You and Chris are both right.  The guy has repeatedly been trouble 
over the years, and has always done something inappropriate, 
eventually.  The message in and of itself is not spam, but is 
suspicious.  If you were legitimately interested in helping an 
organization, you would join, and become involved, then suggest 
ideas.  You wouldn't make a mass posting to various lists, which 
among other things is self serving because the proposal is for you to 
"play piano."  I am sorry if I am cynical, but I am.  Someone once 
told me, "a leopard doesn't shed his spots."

Dave

At 03:41 PM 11/16/2015, Sami Osborne via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm just wondering about the reply that Chris posted this morning to 
>a thread by Alexander Scott Kaiser regarding improving the New 
>Jersey Association of Blind students.  Chris, I don't see how that 
>message was spam? I did find this guy's writing style and 
>suggestions extremely odd, but other than that, he was proposing 
>something completely legitimate, as the message was perfect for the 
>list since it not only had to do with blindness, but about an 
>organization for blind students, which is exactly what discussions 
>on here should be about.  My apologies for creating a new thread 
>instead of replying to the old one, but I have deleted the last 
>thread.  Also, please don't think that I'm suggesting that Alex 
>should be unbanned or even dhcending hm; I barely know him, although 
>I believe he is in my Skype contacts list.  I'm not saying that 
>David Andrews didn't take the appropriate actions against him, I am 
>simply curious as to why the moderators consider the email spam.  I 
>hope that disciplinary action will not be taken against me for just 
>being curious.
>
>Hope to hear from you soon.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sami

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 01:03:55 2015
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:03:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study Materials
Message-ID: <CACNPAB7PW0HS-WWCBpv4RH-shMwK=E7KPfvSNGED1a6X-caXmQ@mail.gmail.com>

 Hi NABS, I am looking for recommendations of where to obtain GRE and
Praxis study materials in hard copy Braille format. As well as any
websites that work particularly well with JAWS, and iPhone apps that
are accessible with voice over. I would also welcome any tips/advice
from students who have taken or who are preparing to take   these
particular tests.
Thanks, Kayla
-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 18 01:26:03 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:26:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study Materials
Message-ID: <564bd3e1.81c70d0a.57118.19ed@mx.google.com>

ETS will give you the study materials that they provide in print 
to sighted people in braille.  These consist of two practice 
tests.  They will also give you the kind of accessible calculator 
you will be allowed on the test to practice with.  There are 
probably websites for the verbal and writing portions, but I 
wasn't worried about them when I took the GRE, so I haven't 
looked.  I wasn't able to find an accessable math prep site--they 
all seem to use graphics for the equations without alt tagging 
them to make them accessible.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:03:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study 
Materials

 Hi NABS, I am looking for recommendations of where to obtain GRE 
and
Praxis study materials in hard copy Braille format. As well as 
any
websites that work particularly well with JAWS, and iPhone apps 
that
are accessible with voice over. I would also welcome any 
tips/advice
from students who have taken or who are preparing to take   these
particular tests.
Thanks, Kayla
--
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College

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From rloew at ETS.ORG  Wed Nov 18 20:31:23 2015
From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth C)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:31:23 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study Materials
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB1704B62D29A4FEAB54085DEDAF1C0@BN3PR0701MB1704.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, Kayla (and others on this list).  Many of you know me.  I work for ETS and regularly attend NFB and NABS events.

The GRE General Test has a large selection of accessible practice materials, including math, online.  See http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities , which gives links to accessible online materials as well as information on how to obtain hard-copy materials such as tactile graphics or braille.

For accessible practice materials for the specific Praxis test or tests you will be taking, contact our Disability Services area:  http://www.ets.org/disabilities/contact/.

If you aren't able to obtain the materials you need, feel free to email me off-list.

I look forward to seeing many of you at the Washington Seminar.

Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
Assistant Director
Office of Disability Policy, ETS

---------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:26:03 -0500
From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study
Materials
Message-ID: <564bd3e1.81c70d0a.57118.19ed at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

ETS will give you the study materials that they provide in print
to sighted people in braille.  These consist of two practice
tests.  They will also give you the kind of accessible calculator
you will be allowed on the test to practice with.  There are
probably websites for the verbal and writing portions, but I
wasn't worried about them when I took the GRE, so I haven't
looked.  I wasn't able to find an accessable math prep site--they
all seem to use graphics for the equations without alt tagging
them to make them accessible.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 20:03:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Obtaining Accessible GRE and Praxis Study
Materials

 Hi NABS, I am looking for recommendations of where to obtain GRE
and
Praxis study materials in hard copy Braille format. As well as
any
websites that work particularly well with JAWS, and iPhone apps
that
are accessible with voice over. I would also welcome any
tips/advice
from students who have taken or who are preparing to take   these
particular tests.
Thanks, Kayla
--
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Nov 19 02:00:25 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:00:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] Press Release: BANA Actions at Fall
 2015 Meeting
Message-ID: <auto-000042376241@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>BANA logo
>
>
>
>Press Release
>
>
>
>November 18, 2015
>For Immediate Release
>
>Contact: Jennifer Dunnam, Chair
>Braille Authority of North America
>612-767-5658
>chair at brailleauthority.org
>
>
>BANA Holds Fall Meeting in Crystal Lake, IL
>
>
>
>The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) 
>held its 2015 fall meeting November 5–7 in 
>Crystal Lake, Illinois. Horizons for the Blind, 
>a BANA member organization, hosted the meeting. 
>BANA welcomed two new representatives to the 
>Board­Tracy Gaines who replaced Peggy Schuetz as 
>the representative from the California 
>Transcribers and Educators for the Blind and 
>Visually Impaired (CTEBVI) and Saul Garza, the 
>newly appointed representative of Clovernook 
>Center for the Blind and Visually Impaired, replacing Kyle Key.
>
>During its three-day meeting, the BANA Board 
>reviewed and acted on semiannual reports from 
>its eighteen committees and considered committee 
>recommendations. Several committee members who 
>attended the meeting presented their committee 
>reports in person and dialogued with the Board 
>concerning matters related to their work. Two 
>members of the Ad Hoc Committee on Chemistry, 
>one of whom is the committee chair, delivered 
>their report, and the Chair of the Crafts and 
>Hobbies Committee delivered the report from her 
>committee. The Board also established the 2016 
>budget and continued planning the numerous BANA 
>projects underway, including the imminent 
>implementation of Unified English Braille (UEB) in the United States.
>
>Notable actions taken by the Board include the following:
>
>The Board unanimously approved a major revision 
>of the music braille code, which had undergone 
>the scrutiny of technical and Board reviews. 
>After finalization of the electronic files, the 
>new version of the music code will be available 
>on the BANA website. The BANA Board commends the 
>members of the music braille technical committee 
>for their tireless and concentrated work on this 
>significant revision of the music code. The 
>members of the committee are all musicians as 
>well as experts in music braille transcription 
>and reading. They brought their prodigious 
>skills and knowledge to the task and made a 
>substantial donation of their personal time and 
>talent over a period of many years toward the 
>completion of this project. Visit the BANA page 
>on Facebook to see a video of the actual vote to 
>approve the revised music code at 
><http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30489975/www.facebook.com?p=eyJzIjoiVWtEa0pTdEhJYUFOaGVKVEdxWFpFWURWS3lZIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDQ4OTk3NSxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwczpcXFwvXFxcL3d3dy5mYWNlYm9vay5jb21cXFwvQnJhaWxsZS1BdXRob3JpdHktb2YtTm9ydGgtQW1lcmljYS0xMjAyMDE4NzQ3MDczMjhcXFwvP2ZyZWY9dHNcIixcImlkXCI6XCJkYzgyZGVjZWFlODM0MTgzODZhZDJhMTk1NWViOGZkY1wiLFwidXJsX2lkc1wiOltcImUyOThmODUzY2IxYTBlNTU5OGU0ZjE4NjA2NTFjZGFhMWEzZDJmMDRcIl19In0>https://www.facebook.com/Braille-Authority-of-North-America-120201874707328/?fref=ts 
>
>
>As a result of lengthy and in-depth discussions 
>over several days, the BANA Board members 
>representing United States organizations 
>approved the following statement regarding 
>braille math and technical materials as it 
>relates to the adoption of UEB in the United States.
>
>The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) 
>recognizes and appreciates the genuine concerns 
>from the braille community regarding the 
>transition to Unified English Braille (UEB). 
>BANA stands by our original motion to adopt UEB 
>as a complete code as well as the implementation 
>statement issued in 2014 in which we expressed 
>that the Nemeth Code remains integral to braille 
>in the United States. The Board of BANA could 
>not reach consensus regarding the establishment 
>of a single standard code for technical 
>materials for braille in the United States. The 
>decision to use UEB or the Nemeth Code within 
>UEB context for technical materials should be 
>made based on braille readers’ individual needs.
>
>NOTE: This press release is available in HTML on 
>the BANA website at 
><http://mandrillapp.com/track/click/30489975/www.brailleauthority.org?p=eyJzIjoidlFEZHhZWG5yR2hNbDljYkRHb2l4TG5aUFRnIiwidiI6MSwicCI6IntcInVcIjozMDQ4OTk3NSxcInZcIjoxLFwidXJsXCI6XCJodHRwOlxcXC9cXFwvd3d3LmJyYWlsbGVhdXRob3JpdHkub3JnXFxcL3ByZXNzcmVsZWFzZXNcXFwvcHItMjAxNS0xMS0xOC5odG1sXCIsXCJpZFwiOlwiZGM4MmRlY2VhZTgzNDE4Mzg2YWQyYTE5NTVlYjhmZGNcIixcInVybF9pZHNcIjpbXCJhZDk0MjFiNzcwYWZiODBjZDgzYjJlYWQwNjUxMDA1ODZlMGQ1N2NkXCJdfSJ9>http://www.brailleauthority.org/pressreleases/pr-2015-11-18.html. 
>
>
>You can follow the work of BANA by signing up 
>for BANA-Announce, a one-way email list that 
>disseminates news and information. To join this 
>list, send a blank email message to 
><mailto:bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org>bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org 
>and follow the directions in the confirmation 
>email that will be sent in response. You can 
>also follow BANA on Facebook and Twitter!
>
>The Board of BANA consists of appointed 
>representatives from eighteen member 
>organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, and consumers.
>
>The mission of the Braille Authority of North 
>America is to assure literacy for tactile 
>readers through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics.
>
>The purpose of BANA is to promote and to 
>facilitate the uses, teaching, and production of 
>braille. Pursuant to this purpose, BANA will 
>promulgate rules, make interpretations, and 
>render opinions pertaining to braille codes and 
>guidelines for the provisions of literary and 
>technical materials and related forms and 
>formats of embossed materials now in existence 
>or to be developed in the future for the use of 
>blind persons in North America. When 
>appropriate, BANA shall accomplish these 
>activities in international collaboration with 
>countries using English braille. In exercising 
>its function and authority, BANA shall consider 
>the effects of its decisions on other existing 
>braille codes and guidelines, forms and formats; 
>ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers.
>
>
>
>e
>
>
>
>
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Nov 19 03:21:56 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:21:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Elegant Insights
Message-ID: <auto-000042379303@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Hi everyone, it's Laura Legendary of Elegant 
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>got the attitude of gratitude!  It was so much 
>fun meeting so many of you at the NFB 75th 
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>great gifts for you to give to your friends and 
>loved ones who read Braille, and we invite you 
>to create a custom gift of your own design!  We 
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>you want something personal, sentimental, 
>fashionable, or romantic, check out 
>our  distinctive collection of jewelry and 
>accessories, all handcrafted, made in the USA, 
>and embossed in Braille!  See our 
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><http://www.elegantinsightsjewelry.com>http://www.elegantinsightsjewelry.com 
>or call 509-264-2588 to discuss a custom gift 
>idea.  We bring out the beauty in Braille!
>
>Sent from the mobile office of Elegant Insights Braille Creations
>(509) 264-2588
><http://www.elegantinsightsjewelry.com>www.elegantinsightsjewelry.com
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 Of everyone.
><http://fashionabilitychannel.wordpress.com>http://fashionabilitychannel.wordpress.com

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 14:31:42 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Regarding that Alex Kaiser guy's previous post this
	morning
Message-ID: <564ddd5d.9399810a.bda97.ffffb0c5@mx.google.com>

Hi Sami thanks for your message.  I agree that the message that 
Alex posted on Tuesday was legitimate but I have a question about 
something.  Do you think that his email account could have been 
hacked in the past since his previous messages were not 
appropriate for this list?


From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Nov 20 00:18:25 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 00:18:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Success with Scribd!
Message-ID: <CY1PR05MB1913F079B88E12908224C34B891A0@CY1PR05MB1913.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Blind Students,

We have finally had some success in our litigation against Scribd, the audiobook and eBook provider that refused to make its products and services accessible to the blind!

Check out this link for more information:
https://nfb.org/national-federation-blind-and-scribd-agree-collaborate-make-reading-subscription-service-accessible

Have a good one!

Justin

Justin Salisbury, NOMC
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

"None can be free as long as any are enslaved"

Dr. Kenneth Jernigan


From sharlyn at tbase.com  Fri Nov 20 17:53:37 2015
From: sharlyn at tbase.com (Sharlyn)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:53:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?LAST_CHANCE=85_to_have_your_voice_heard?=
 =?windows-1252?q?_about_the_accessibility_of_information?=
Message-ID: <a1ed0f6c19d349d797d3370ae490e161@MBX07A-IAD3.mex06.mlsrvr.com>

Due to the influx of responses from participants sharing their feedback on the availability of accessible information from North American service providers, I would like to inform you that T-Base is extending the deadline to share your experience.

T-Base’s customers—the corporate community—are keenly interested in this topic and want to know how to improve the user’s experience requesting and receiving accessible information.

Your feedback is important, as it will allow T-Base to produce a substantial report on the accessibility of information from service providers and share that report with corporate customers and end-user consumers.
If you haven’t done so already, please complete one or more of the following questionnaires.

List of 5 items:
• Accessibility: Call Center:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-call-center-questionnaire-0
• Accessibility: In-Person Experience:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-walk-questionnaire
• Accessibility: Online or Mobile App:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/accessibility-online-or-mobile-app-qustionnaire
• Delivery of Requested Accessible Documents:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/delivery-requested-accessible-documentation-questionnaire
• Satisfaction with Accessible Documents:
http://www.tbase.com/webform/satisfaction-accessible-documentation-questionnaire-0
List end

Thank you!

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Consumer Engagement Officer
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 05:50:40 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2015 00:50:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] JAWS 15 and 16 for sale full licenses
Message-ID: <8E1ECA6E-8D4B-4CC2-A0B9-F5C3222B2F0D@gmail.com>

Hey listers,
I have both JAWS 15 and 16 for sale. These are legal copies along with the authorizations for both of them. I'm asking $300 for each the lowest I will go is $250. You can use PayPal for transactions. The email for Paypal is blindgeek1989 at gmail.com. Get on this incredible deal before it is gone. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Do what you love, the money will follow.

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 06:57:26 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 23:57:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Searching nationally for Chicago,
	IL area part-time host family/Contact person for my initial semester
References: <89E7F015-D22A-4039-B395-17B446BC7DBF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98D52588-1FD8-4AB8-AC51-22CA755E3849@gmail.com>

  Good evening all,
> 
> I  Will be starting school near Chicago,  Illinois and  was successful in registering for classes which I will take beginning spring 2016 and I am very excited to be starting as A student  there in about 60 days!!! I'm transferring there from near Denver, CO  to pursue a  bachelors degree in visual impairments, a subspecialty of the school of special-education at Northern Illinois University. It would make everyone feel  much better about the  transition to Illinois if I could be put in touch with  an emergency contact person Who can also  periodically serve as a  host family who I could sometimes  return to on weekends during my time in Illinois! I'm coming to Illinois  from halfway across the country, so it would be really nice to have someone who I could occasionally go "home "too. :-) as was previously said, I would only be there on weekends because it would be at school and staying at school during weekdays. I am wondering if one of you would be able to have me come home and periodically stay with you and your family, or would perhaps  know of and relative or friend in the Chicago area  who you  could perhaps think of who might  do this for me?  geographically speaking, I am looking for someone who's  located between  Chicago proper  and Elburn, who's house is served by one or more CTA buses or trains, Metra trains, or pace buses seven days a week for most or all of each day, is in a relatively safe location, with easy access by public transit  to  both The Metra West line to Elburn and  either or both  of Chicago's airport  (2 hr  commute time by public transit Max preferred). If you, or someone you know and trust well, fits this description, please contact me by email to Zdreicer at gmail.com. Please spread the word as appropriate, too!!!  I'm very much looking forward to the opportunity that NIU has to offer, as well as my time as a student in Illinois. Thank you!!!!      
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 13:26:38 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 08:26:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] test
Message-ID: <8EB127C2-779E-4584-B185-301FA3DC871A@me.com>

Please let me know if you get this message.


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 13:54:36 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 08:54:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] test
In-Reply-To: <8EB127C2-779E-4584-B185-301FA3DC871A@me.com>
References: <8EB127C2-779E-4584-B185-301FA3DC871A@me.com>
Message-ID: <8940FCAA-147B-4385-A02F-07A50A1DED98@gmail.com>

It worked!!! Yay Nesma!!!!

Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 8:26 AM, Nesma Aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Please let me know if you get this message.
> 
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 16:13:31 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] REMINDER: TODAY IS THE FINAL DAY TO APPLY FOR WASHINGTON
	SEMINAR FUNDING!
Message-ID: <080f01d12540$bb27fdf0$3177f9d0$@gmail.com>

Good morning NABS!

 

                I hope you all are having a nice and relaxing weekend!

Today, November 22, is the final day for anyone to apply to be considered
for Washington Seminar funding.

 

We are extremely excited to have an impressive student turnout at the 2016
Washington Seminar. Washington Seminar is an empowering and meaningful
experience where students can not only learn a ton, but also help the
Federation build a brighter future for blind Americans. I urge each of you
to strongly consider taking part in the Washington Seminar, and encourage
anybody who requires financial support to do so to take advantage of this
funding opportunity.

 

Keep in mind that this effort is intended to provide funding to students who
would be otherwise unable to attend Washington Seminar due to financial
hardship. If you, your parents, your local chapter or state affiliate, or
anybody else is providing or could provide financial support to enable you
to make the trip, please take advantage of those other opportunities.
Receiving financial support from another entity does not necessarily make
you ineligible for this funding. Only apply if you truly NEED the help to
attend Washington Seminar. Finally, be aware that if you are granted
financial support, you will be required to attend meetings and functions in
DC from 9am January 25 to 5pm January 27.

 

Applications are due November 22. Please simply read the instructions and
requirements and fill out the form 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1SU6lRgEw2yPZRLYi1qWowV0fl1bAPa2AWMcHJllxrxk
/viewform?c=0
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1SU6lRgEw2yPZRLYi1qWowV0fl1bAPa2AWMcHJllxrx
k/viewform?c=0&w=1> &w=1

If you apply, you will receive a decision on your application no later than
December 15, leaving ample time for transportation and hotel bookings.

 

Please let us know if you have any questions!

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com> 

(203) 273-8463

 


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 20:20:19 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:20:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
Message-ID: <F3B8ADC4-13B3-4868-BE1C-95D7D4A46D11@gmail.com>

Hi NABS, 
My name for those who don’t know, my name is Nesma. I am serving on the communications commit and I am also one of the moderators of this list. 
This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had a lot of inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist. 

This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about better accessibility in higher education to your member of congress please do so. We only have two letters  We need more! 
If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let me know. 
Thanks, 
Nesma Aly

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Nov 22 20:30:25 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:30:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
In-Reply-To: <F3B8ADC4-13B3-4868-BE1C-95D7D4A46D11@gmail.com>
References: <F3B8ADC4-13B3-4868-BE1C-95D7D4A46D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4FEB5B6-E340-4255-94DC-41FE264994FB@icloud.com>

Hi, nesma,
Welcome to the list. How long have you been active in the NFB for? Also, thanks for helping moderate the list, and sending out the reminder about Aimhea. I am on the Nabs legislation comitee as well.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 22, 2015, at 3:20 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS, 
> My name for those who don’t know, my name is Nesma. I am serving on the communications commit and I am also one of the moderators of this list. 
> This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had a lot of inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist. 
> 
> This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about better accessibility in higher education to your member of congress please do so. We only have two letters  We need more! 
> If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let me know. 
> Thanks, 
> Nesma Aly
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 20:39:29 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:39:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
In-Reply-To: <F3B8ADC4-13B3-4868-BE1C-95D7D4A46D11@gmail.com>
References: <F3B8ADC4-13B3-4868-BE1C-95D7D4A46D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09c701d12565$e32d3390$a9879ab0$@gmail.com>

Nesma,
	Thanks for everything you do! You are a true ball of effort as one of the very few high school students who wrote equal access to education testimonies.
Our goal is 250 letters, and Maryland has only produced two! Some states, however, are coming in strong with over ten letters!
Please keep up the good work; and send all letters to Kathryn Webster (kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com) and Sean Whalen (nabs.president at gmail.com)

Best,
Kathryn Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nesma aly via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: nesma aly
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction

Hi NABS, 
My name for those who don’t know, my name is Nesma. I am serving on the communications commit and I am also one of the moderators of this list. 
This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had a lot of inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist. 

This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about better accessibility in higher education to your member of congress please do so. We only have two letters  We need more! 
If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let me know. 
Thanks, 
Nesma Aly
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sun Nov 22 21:22:49 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 17:22:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
Message-ID: <0NY800D3MM61Z4S0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Nesma,

Umm...  I'm confused about something.  You said you're a
moderator of this list, but from my  understanding, you have not 
been very active on here? I'm not trying to offend you or 
anything, I'm just saying that I haven't seen anything sent by 
you before.  I just find it really strange that someone who may 
have just subscribed and who isn't very active on here already 
gets appointed a moderator...  Thank you foryr contributions to 
equal education.  By the way, I understand that you're a high 
school student, what grade are you in? I just recently graduated 
high school this past June and am currently in blindness training 
before heading to college.


Thanks again,

Sami
 ----- Original Message -----
From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:20:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction

Hi NABS,
My name for those who don't know, my name is Nesma.  I am 
serving on the communications commit and I am also one of the 
moderators of this list.
This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had 
a lot of inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist.

This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about 
better accessibility in higher education to your member of 
congress please do so.  We only have two letters  We need more!
If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let 
me know.
Thanks,
Nesma Aly
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izon.net


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 23:10:34 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:10:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
In-Reply-To: <0NY800D3MM61Z4S0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NY800D3MM61Z4S0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <025101d1257a$fe59c970$fb0d5c50$@gmail.com>

Yeah, I've just seen you this morning; who are you?
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sami Osborne
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 4:23 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention and introduction

Hi Nesma,

Umm...  I'm confused about something.  You said you're a moderator of this
list, but from my  understanding, you have not been very active on here? I'm
not trying to offend you or anything, I'm just saying that I haven't seen
anything sent by you before.  I just find it really strange that someone who
may have just subscribed and who isn't very active on here already gets
appointed a moderator...  Thank you foryr contributions to equal education.
By the way, I understand that you're a high school student, what grade are
you in? I just recently graduated high school this past June and am
currently in blindness training before heading to college.


Thanks again,

Sami
 ----- Original Message -----
From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:20:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction

Hi NABS,
My name for those who don't know, my name is Nesma.  I am serving on the
communications commit and I am also one of the moderators of this list.
This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had a lot of
inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist.

This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about better
accessibility in higher education to your member of congress please do so.
We only have two letters  We need more!
If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let me know.
Thanks,
Nesma Aly
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 23:28:16 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:28:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
In-Reply-To: <025101d1257a$fe59c970$fb0d5c50$@gmail.com>
References: <0NY800D3MM61Z4S0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
	<025101d1257a$fe59c970$fb0d5c50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F50007BA-6B46-438B-8140-04B98B76CEB0@gmail.com>

Hi, 
My name is Nesma Aly I just joined this devision this summer. 
I currently sure on the communications committee and as I have said I am also on of the moderators of this list.
> On Nov 22, 2015, at 18:10, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I've just seen you this morning; who are you?
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sami Osborne
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2015 4:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
> 
> Hi Nesma,
> 
> Umm...  I'm confused about something.  You said you're a moderator of this
> list, but from my  understanding, you have not been very active on here? I'm
> not trying to offend you or anything, I'm just saying that I haven't seen
> anything sent by you before.  I just find it really strange that someone who
> may have just subscribed and who isn't very active on here already gets
> appointed a moderator...  Thank you foryr contributions to equal education.
> By the way, I understand that you're a high school student, what grade are
> you in? I just recently graduated high school this past June and am
> currently in blindness training before heading to college.
> 
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Sami
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 15:20:19 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
> 
> Hi NABS,
> My name for those who don't know, my name is Nesma.  I am serving on the
> communications commit and I am also one of the moderators of this list.
> This past weekend was the NFB of maryland state convention we had a lot of
> inspiring people like Alfred who is a blind chemist.
> 
> This is also a reminder, if you have not sent your letter about better
> accessibility in higher education to your member of congress please do so.
> We only have two letters  We need more!
> If anyone has any questions or needs a sample letter please let me know.
> Thanks,
> Nesma Aly
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From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Nov 23 01:37:07 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:37:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Important Message from 64oz Games
Message-ID: <auto-000042694451@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>From: "Jeanine Kay Lineback" <jeanine.lineback at gmail.com>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: Important Message from 64oz Games
>Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 19:42:20 -0600
>Dave, would you please post the below message to 
>the NFB announce, NFB members, and any other NFB 
>mailing lists you think are appropriate? I have 
>already posted it to the Promotion Technology list and the Trainer-Talk list.
>
>Hi All
>
>Emily and Richard Gibbs are the founders of 64oz 
>Games—a company which ran an earlier, quite 
>successful Kickstarter which helped them realize 
>extensive progress toward making board games 
>accessible for blind people of all ages. Please 
>see the below message from them and help if you 
>can. They are truly the real deal in terms of 
>commitment to quality and accessibility!
>
>
>
>64oz Games has revolutionized board games for 
>blind people with their braille accessibility 
>kits. With these kits, blind players can play 
>the same games along with their sighted friends. 
>If you are a fan of Apples to Apples and other 
>games, kits are now available. You can go to 
><http://www.store.64ouncegames.com/>store.64ouncegames.com 
>to see their whole collection.
>
>Right now they are running a Kickstarter to 
>increase their ability to make kits. They are 
>offering braille dice as well as braille 
>teaching materials as rewards. With successful 
>completion of this kickstarter, they will obtain 
>a new 3d printer to make higher quality 
>materials. They will also be able to make game 
>boards for the first time by purchasing a CNC 
>router and a thermoform machine. With your help, 
>they can make more and more high quality braille 
>accessibility kits for board games.
>
>Check out 
><https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64ouncegames/braille-rpg-dice-from-64-oz-games>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/64ouncegames/braille-rpg-dice-from-64-oz-games 
>for more information!
>  Thank you!

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 02:20:29 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 20:20:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of Missouri Scholarship Program
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJaqa2SxnonLVr-uBWXbf=DCnFVo6ZeobBpuGwhPEqhCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening, my friends,

We are now accepting applications for the 2016 National Federation of
the Blind of Missouri scholarship program.  If you are a student in
Missouri, please see the attachments for application information.
(Thanksgiving break is a great time to get started!)

If you know a blind student living in Missouri, please forward this
information to them.  We want to spread the word far and wide in order
to give this opportunity to as many blind, Missourian students as
possible.  :)



-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 06:06:50 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 23:06:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] See The Future
Message-ID: <2C871C5B-8263-4878-8293-5B63244FD714@gmail.com>

Have any of you hear of an organization called See The Future?

Anna




From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 13:09:35 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 08:09:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] See The Future
In-Reply-To: <2C871C5B-8263-4878-8293-5B63244FD714@gmail.com>
References: <2C871C5B-8263-4878-8293-5B63244FD714@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007b01d125f0$33d2b240$9b7816c0$@gmail.com>

No, what is it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:07 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
Coloradotalk Listserv <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] See The Future

Have any of you hear of an organization called See The Future?

Anna



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From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 13:44:55 2015
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 06:44:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] See The Future
In-Reply-To: <007b01d125f0$33d2b240$9b7816c0$@gmail.com>
References: <2C871C5B-8263-4878-8293-5B63244FD714@gmail.com>
	<007b01d125f0$33d2b240$9b7816c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <218CCC83-2EB1-469B-8051-2BECFA75D93D@yahoo.com>

It is a scholarship fund for blind students in Colorado.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:09 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> No, what is it?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 1:07 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
> Coloradotalk Listserv <colorado-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] See The Future
> 
> Have any of you hear of an organization called See The Future?
> 
> Anna
> 
> 
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 16:40:00 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:40:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commands for using the iPhone via Bluetooth on a note taker
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZTShucjfwVX3e3ye6O-cUXD5u74rhrg01FEdZnEsE6TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

While attending my affiliate convention this weekend another BrailleSense
user was able to teach me how to connect to my IPhone. I have been trying
to do this unsuccessfully for a while and am happy to do it now. However, I
did find myself using the phone for a few things because I did not know the
keyboard commands. For example, when I was trying to activate the home
button I pressed all 6 dots plus space and found it activated and
deactivated screen curtain. I'd love to find a list of these shortcut
commands for the home button, swiping with 3 fingers in different
directions, bringing up the app chooser, turning off and on speetc. I'd
also like some editing and navigation commands. I noticed that I couldn't
just use my backspace key to fix text messages and that I couldn't easily
access things like the status bar or the bottom row of tabs on my Facebook
app, so my guess is that there are commands for that. If anyone knows where
I can find these commands I would appreciate it.


-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 17:44:15 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:44:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
Message-ID: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>

Hi all,
So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that 
even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS 
word to work properly.
So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester 
and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
The problem is, he hasn't!
I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that 
since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass 
the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he 
provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, 
because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not 
listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken 
word many times.
Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear 
from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying 
that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation 
and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
What would you all do in this situation?
Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called 
pilot.
The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. 
I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response 
was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should 
work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already 
informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well 
as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for 
their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
So where do I go next?

Thanks,
Abigail Bolling



From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 17:54:39 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:54:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09E73A73-CE5C-45F9-9ECD-D1A56DBEE21E@gmail.com>

I would take this  to the dean. The teacher is not giving you something you have obviously requested, if you can prove that you've even given an accommodation letter then so much the better. Don't wait on anybody, just go!!! It's 72 hours to Thanksgiving day, the end of the semester is right around the corner.  

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:44, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
> 
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
> 
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:00:08 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:00:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Commands for using the iPhone via Bluetooth on a note
	taker
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZTShucjfwVX3e3ye6O-cUXD5u74rhrg01FEdZnEsE6TA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZTShucjfwVX3e3ye6O-cUXD5u74rhrg01FEdZnEsE6TA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E548A01-B448-4AEF-A364-21C574044CDF@gmail.com>

Not sure the commands for the braille sense but I know for the apex space with S accesses status bar, space with M mutes and unmute's speech, space with D deletes the character right before the Cursor,  space with 123 moves to the top of document, Space with 456 moves to the bottom of the document, the inner them keys on the apex early equivalent of pushing the home button, I'm not sure what equivalent commands I'm at Qwerty  model are the equivalents.  I hope this helps at least somewhat :-)

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 09:40, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> While attending my affiliate convention this weekend another BrailleSense
> user was able to teach me how to connect to my IPhone. I have been trying
> to do this unsuccessfully for a while and am happy to do it now. However, I
> did find myself using the phone for a few things because I did not know the
> keyboard commands. For example, when I was trying to activate the home
> button I pressed all 6 dots plus space and found it activated and
> deactivated screen curtain. I'd love to find a list of these shortcut
> commands for the home button, swiping with 3 fingers in different
> directions, bringing up the app chooser, turning off and on speetc. I'd
> also like some editing and navigation commands. I noticed that I couldn't
> just use my backspace key to fix text messages and that I couldn't easily
> access things like the status bar or the bottom row of tabs on my Facebook
> app, so my guess is that there are commands for that. If anyone knows where
> I can find these commands I would appreciate it.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
> 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:03:29 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:03:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
Message-ID: <565354f7.0401810a.ce68f.ffffb112@mx.google.com>

Don't go to the dean, go to the department chair.  Only go to the 
dean if the department chair refuses to help you.  Following the 
proper chain of command is important if you want to be taken 
seriously.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 10:54:39 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up 
costing me apassing grade!

I would take this  to the dean. The teacher is not giving you 
something you have obviously requested, if you can prove that 
you've even given an accommodation letter then so much the 
better. Don't wait on anybody, just go!!! It's 72 hours to 
Thanksgiving day, the end of the semester is right around the 
corner.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:44, Abby Bolling via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,
 So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in 
that even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments 
feature in MS word to work properly.
 So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all 
semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in 
parenthesis.
 The problem is, he hasn't!
 I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling 
me that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I 
could not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing 
with the comments he provided which would have made my papers a 
lot better.
 I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been 
going on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a 
professor would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed 
upon in writing, and spoken word many times.
 Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't 
hear from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from 
him saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look 
into the situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow 
morning.
 What would you all do in this situation?
 Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a 
website called pilot.
 The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely 
inaccessible.
 I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them 
at all. I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as 
well. His response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't 
working, but that I should work with Disability Services more! My 
problem is I have already informed ODS (several times) about this 
acce3ssibility problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook 
webmail (which wright state uses for their email provider,) and 
nothing has been done.
 So where do I go next?

 Thanks,
 Abigail Bolling


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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:06:13 2015
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:06:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commands for using the iPhone via Bluetooth on a note
	taker
In-Reply-To: <0E548A01-B448-4AEF-A364-21C574044CDF@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZTShucjfwVX3e3ye6O-cUXD5u74rhrg01FEdZnEsE6TA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E548A01-B448-4AEF-A364-21C574044CDF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6DBB82B1-F2EA-49EF-835D-DFA20AEEA61E@gmail.com>

Below is a link to Common IOS Braille Display commands which will work with the BrailleSense.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202132 <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202132>

Here is a list of BrailleSense specific commands:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202522 <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202522>

Hope this helps. :)
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Not sure the commands for the braille sense but I know for the apex space with S accesses status bar, space with M mutes and unmute's speech, space with D deletes the character right before the Cursor,  space with 123 moves to the top of document, Space with 456 moves to the bottom of the document, the inner them keys on the apex early equivalent of pushing the home button, I'm not sure what equivalent commands I'm at Qwerty  model are the equivalents.  I hope this helps at least somewhat :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 09:40, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> While attending my affiliate convention this weekend another BrailleSense
>> user was able to teach me how to connect to my IPhone. I have been trying
>> to do this unsuccessfully for a while and am happy to do it now. However, I
>> did find myself using the phone for a few things because I did not know the
>> keyboard commands. For example, when I was trying to activate the home
>> button I pressed all 6 dots plus space and found it activated and
>> deactivated screen curtain. I'd love to find a list of these shortcut
>> commands for the home button, swiping with 3 fingers in different
>> directions, bringing up the app chooser, turning off and on speetc. I'd
>> also like some editing and navigation commands. I noticed that I couldn't
>> just use my backspace key to fix text messages and that I couldn't easily
>> access things like the status bar or the bottom row of tabs on my Facebook
>> app, so my guess is that there are commands for that. If anyone knows where
>> I can find these commands I would appreciate it.
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>> 2015-2016
>> 
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Nov 23 18:49:54 2015
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:49:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	a	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>

Abby,

If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get it
resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools do
have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a grade,
but of course that can vary between schools.

To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what seemed
to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation, but
if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how to
handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If for
some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would think
it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students office
to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
here, but I hope you can get it worked out.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
passing grade!

Hi all,
So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that 
even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS 
word to work properly.
So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester 
and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
The problem is, he hasn't!
I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that 
since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass 
the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he 
provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, 
because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not 
listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken 
word many times.
Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear 
from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying 
that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation 
and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
What would you all do in this situation?
Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called 
pilot.
The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. 
I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response 
was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should 
work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already 
informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well 
as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for 
their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
So where do I go next?

Thanks,
Abigail Bolling


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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 18:54:34 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 13:54:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
 passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <565360EA.4050009@gmail.com>

I use Jaws, and word 2013. for some reason, I can not use arrows in a 
word document that has comment fields inserted.
Like I said, I have spoken with my prof at least 4 to 5 times about the 
issue, and written emails 4 times re-stating the issue.

On 11/23/2015 1:49 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
> Abby,
>
> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get it
> resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools do
> have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a grade,
> but of course that can vary between schools.
>
> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what seemed
> to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
> would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
> for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
> why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation, but
> if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
> bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how to
> handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If for
> some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would think
> it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students office
> to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
> here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
> passing grade!
>
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that
> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS
> word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester
> and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that
> since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass
> the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he
> provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
> because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
> listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken
> word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear
> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying
> that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation
> and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
> pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response
> was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should
> work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already
> informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well
> as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for
> their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
>
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Nov 23 18:58:41 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:58:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
 passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avdNG1B=yUfMyNEZ6RYFEWc1XCu61X_K9iwMmOJXahP1qQ@mail.gmail.com>

Abigail

Did you ask disabled student to provide a reader to help you access the
comment? Do your disabled students center offer alternative format for
example you forward the word doc to them and they provide it to you in
braille or a format that you could read the comments with a screen reader?

You might be able to ask for an incomplete and finish after the semester
ends and work with a reader.

Suzanne

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Abby,
>
> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get
> it
> resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools
> do
> have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a grade,
> but of course that can vary between schools.
>
> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what seemed
> to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
> would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
> for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
> why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation, but
> if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
> bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how
> to
> handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If for
> some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would think
> it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students
> office
> to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
> here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
> passing grade!
>
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that
> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS
> word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester
> and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that
> since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass
> the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he
> provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
> because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
> listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken
> word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear
> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying
> that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation
> and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
> pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response
> was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should
> work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already
> informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well
> as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for
> their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
>
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:03:50 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:03:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C1EAC48-EC59-4F00-9B51-C700958BB57A@gmail.com>

Abby,
I'm sorry to hear about the troubles you are experiencing in your English class.  Unfortunately, these types of issues are all too common.  
Although I am not completely sure about all the conversations you have had with your professor, I would suggest not going above your professor's head, ie. Going to his supervisor, unless absolutely necessary.  Unfortunately, professors are often rather clueless on how to work with students with disabilities and so relay all that responsibility to the school's disability office.  The school is required to provide you with some kind of accommodation that would allow you to get your work done.  If there is a specific coordinator in the disability office you work with, I believe it is important to have conversation with that person about the very specific issues you are having, if this is not helping, you may speak to the disability office supervisor, but I would tell your coordinator that you would like to do that.  There should also be an ADA coordinator at your school.  It may be helpful to set up a meeting with the ADA coordinator and professor and you.  It's difficult because there are so many people to go through and all these little policies that they're working with, and you are just trying to get your work done.  
I think the most important thing is to advocate for yourself to your professor in such a way that he better understands what it is you need; because he does not  seem to understand that now.  Sometimes bringing in another person, either someone from a disability office, or even another blind student or professional who has had experience with these things is helpful, if the professor is not understanding.
I guess at this point, there is some urgency in your situation, and you should stay in contact with your professor, explain the situation to him, again, perhaps with someone else present.  Approach from not from a place of frustration, but from a place of "here is why I have not been able to do ...x, y, and z."  Be appreciative of what he HAS done, and present possible solutions.  
It doesn't sound like your professor is completely uncaring about your situation.
Hope some of this helps.  

Anna E Givens



> On Nov 23, 2015, at 10:44 AM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
> 
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
> 
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Nov 23 19:04:28 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 12:04:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
 passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <565360EA.4050009@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
	<565360EA.4050009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_aveneaLN-K9FTp-qTAyFE=kxzHYB=qwQvLwKcMKGOzP6fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Have you tried
ALT+SHIFT+APOSTROPHE to announce comment?
I found that in the doc I have attached.

I am not a JAWS user so it may not work but it cam up in a Google search.

Suzanne

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> I use Jaws, and word 2013. for some reason, I can not use arrows in a word
> document that has comment fields inserted.
> Like I said, I have spoken with my prof at least 4 to 5 times about the
> issue, and written emails 4 times re-stating the issue.
>
> On 11/23/2015 1:49 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>
>> Abby,
>>
>> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get
>> it
>> resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools
>> do
>> have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a
>> grade,
>> but of course that can vary between schools.
>>
>> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
>> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what
>> seemed
>> to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
>> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
>> would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
>> for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
>> why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation,
>> but
>> if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
>> bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how
>> to
>> handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If
>> for
>> some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would
>> think
>> it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students
>> office
>> to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
>> here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
>> passing grade!
>>
>> Hi all,
>> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that
>> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS
>> word to work properly.
>> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester
>> and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
>> The problem is, he hasn't!
>> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that
>> since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass
>> the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he
>> provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
>> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
>> because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
>> listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken
>> word many times.
>> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear
>> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying
>> that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation
>> and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
>> What would you all do in this situation?
>> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
>> pilot.
>> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
>> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
>> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response
>> was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should
>> work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already
>> informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well
>> as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for
>> their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
>> So where do I go next?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abigail Bolling
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:05:52 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 11:05:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
 passing grade!
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Hi Abby. From what you have described, I think when you are receiving
the documents from your professor, they are in "protected view". This
is not a Track Changes thing, but is something Word does with any
documents that you download from emails or the Internet. When a
document is in protected view, it is difficult to navigate with JAWS.
Fortunately it is easy to switch from protected to normal view where
you can read the document, including comments, and edit it as needed.
To do this, simply open the document, and press control-S for save.
JAWS will ask you if you want to "enable editing". Tab over to the OK
button, press enter and the document will be saved to your computer in
a regular, unprotected view you can navigate easily.
Sorry if our earlier replies didn't address this issue.
Best, Arielle

On 11/23/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Abigail
>
> Did you ask disabled student to provide a reader to help you access the
> comment? Do your disabled students center offer alternative format for
> example you forward the word doc to them and they provide it to you in
> braille or a format that you could read the comments with a screen reader?
>
> You might be able to ask for an incomplete and finish after the semester
> ends and work with a reader.
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Abby,
>>
>> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get
>> it
>> resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools
>> do
>> have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a
>> grade,
>> but of course that can vary between schools.
>>
>> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
>> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what
>> seemed
>> to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
>> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
>> would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go
>> better
>> for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
>> why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation,
>> but
>> if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your
>> best
>> bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how
>> to
>> handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If
>> for
>> some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would
>> think
>> it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students
>> office
>> to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
>> here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
>> passing grade!
>>
>> Hi all,
>> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that
>> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS
>> word to work properly.
>> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester
>> and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
>> The problem is, he hasn't!
>> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that
>> since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass
>> the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he
>> provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
>> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
>> because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
>> listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken
>> word many times.
>> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear
>> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying
>> that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation
>> and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
>> What would you all do in this situation?
>> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
>> pilot.
>> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
>> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
>> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response
>> was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should
>> work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already
>> informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well
>> as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for
>> their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
>> So where do I go next?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abigail Bolling
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:14:56 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:14:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
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Hello Arielle and All,

Another alternative I use for turning off protected view with Microsoft Word
is pressing the F6 button. Usually when I hit this button once while in
protected view, it says something like enable editing, or something along
those lines. I can then press this button to get out of protected view mode
without having to save the document first.

I hope this helps.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
passing grade!

Hi Abby. From what you have described, I think when you are receiving the
documents from your professor, they are in "protected view". This is not a
Track Changes thing, but is something Word does with any documents that you
download from emails or the Internet. When a document is in protected view,
it is difficult to navigate with JAWS.
Fortunately it is easy to switch from protected to normal view where you can
read the document, including comments, and edit it as needed.
To do this, simply open the document, and press control-S for save.
JAWS will ask you if you want to "enable editing". Tab over to the OK
button, press enter and the document will be saved to your computer in a
regular, unprotected view you can navigate easily.
Sorry if our earlier replies didn't address this issue.
Best, Arielle

On 11/23/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Abigail
>
> Did you ask disabled student to provide a reader to help you access 
> the comment? Do your disabled students center offer alternative format 
> for example you forward the word doc to them and they provide it to 
> you in braille or a format that you could read the comments with a screen
reader?
>
> You might be able to ask for an incomplete and finish after the 
> semester ends and work with a reader.
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l < 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Abby,
>>
>> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can 
>> get it resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that 
>> some schools do have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in 
>> late to salvage a grade, but of course that can vary between schools.
>>
>> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult 
>> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what 
>> seemed to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work 
>> propperly.
>> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, 
>> it would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things 
>> go better for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow 
>> up to find out why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid 
>> a confrontation, but if not, you will need to have explanations ready 
>> for the above.  Your best bet might be to ask for additional time 
>> because you were not aware of how to handle comments in Word and see 
>> if things can be salvaged that way.  If for some reason you can't 
>> deal with the comments he has inserted, I would think it would be 
>> reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students office to 
>> make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray 
>> areas here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Steve Jacobson
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby 
>> Bolling via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >
>> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me 
>> a passing grade!
>>
>> Hi all,
>> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that 
>> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in 
>> MS word to work properly.
>> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all 
>> semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in
parenthesis.
>> The problem is, he hasn't!
>> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me 
>> that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could 
>> not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the 
>> comments he provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
>> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going 
>> on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor 
>> would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in 
>> writing, and spoken word many times.
>> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear 
>> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him 
>> saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the 
>> situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
>> What would you all do in this situation?
>> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website 
>> called pilot.
>> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
>> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
>> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His 
>> response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but 
>> that I should work with Disability Services more! My problem is I 
>> have already informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility 
>> problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright 
>> state uses for their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
>> So where do I go next?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abigail Bolling
>>
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 19:48:29 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:48:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Commands for using the iPhone via Bluetooth on a note
	taker
In-Reply-To: <6DBB82B1-F2EA-49EF-835D-DFA20AEEA61E@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZTShucjfwVX3e3ye6O-cUXD5u74rhrg01FEdZnEsE6TA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E548A01-B448-4AEF-A364-21C574044CDF@gmail.com>
	<6DBB82B1-F2EA-49EF-835D-DFA20AEEA61E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYx+qszNMQAo0SB+3ciNpkwFt785Z+jnm=zkdFDY+WKLg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to you both!  I appreciate the help and will definitely check
out those links later this evening.

On 11/23/15, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Below is a link to Common IOS Braille Display commands which will work with
> the BrailleSense.
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202132
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202132>
>
> Here is a list of BrailleSense specific commands:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202522
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202522>
>
> Hope this helps. :)
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure the commands for the braille sense but I know for the apex space
>> with S accesses status bar, space with M mutes and unmute's speech, space
>> with D deletes the character right before the Cursor,  space with 123
>> moves to the top of document, Space with 456 moves to the bottom of the
>> document, the inner them keys on the apex early equivalent of pushing the
>> home button, I'm not sure what equivalent commands I'm at Qwerty  model
>> are the equivalents.  I hope this helps at least somewhat :-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 09:40, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> While attending my affiliate convention this weekend another
>>> BrailleSense
>>> user was able to teach me how to connect to my IPhone. I have been
>>> trying
>>> to do this unsuccessfully for a while and am happy to do it now. However,
>>> I
>>> did find myself using the phone for a few things because I did not know
>>> the
>>> keyboard commands. For example, when I was trying to activate the home
>>> button I pressed all 6 dots plus space and found it activated and
>>> deactivated screen curtain. I'd love to find a list of these shortcut
>>> commands for the home button, swiping with 3 fingers in different
>>> directions, bringing up the app chooser, turning off and on speetc. I'd
>>> also like some editing and navigation commands. I noticed that I
>>> couldn't
>>> just use my backspace key to fix text messages and that I couldn't
>>> easily
>>> access things like the status bar or the bottom row of tabs on my
>>> Facebook
>>> app, so my guess is that there are commands for that. If anyone knows
>>> where
>>> I can find these commands I would appreciate it.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>>> 2015-2016
>>>
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
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-- 
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:16:23 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:16:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9946B55A-A861-431D-B7AA-498746E3127E@gmail.com>

Hi, 
In my history class In high school we use a website called googleclassroom and it is not all that accessible either so I asked my teacher to provide those files on a flash drive using Ms word. Is that a possibility you could try? Do you have a laptop or braille note taker that you use?
>  
Nesma Aly 
> On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:44, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
> 
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
> 
> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Nov 23 20:20:03 2015
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:20:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <565360EA.4050009@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>	<SNT406-EAS138D1C945EFF4A681A287D0BC070@phx.gbl>
	<565360EA.4050009@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT406-EAS257E26F6C5999E59F0B731FBC070@phx.gbl>

Abby,

Arielle beat me to it regarding protected view.  However, I'm almost certain
that is the issue here.  Given some of the ideas here, I think I would try
to see is I could get a little extra time to show enough progress to pass
the course.  If you have copies of the emails that you sent your professor,
that might help to show you made some efforts, but it does sound as though
no change from the professor should have been required, so you need to take
a careful approach.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:55 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
passing grade!

I use Jaws, and word 2013. for some reason, I can not use arrows in a 
word document that has comment fields inserted.
Like I said, I have spoken with my prof at least 4 to 5 times about the 
issue, and written emails 4 times re-stating the issue.

On 11/23/2015 1:49 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
> Abby,
>
> If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get
it
> resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools
do
> have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a
grade,
> but of course that can vary between schools.
>
> To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
> position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what
seemed
> to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
> If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
> would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
> for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
> why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation,
but
> if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
> bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how
to
> handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If
for
> some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would
think
> it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students
office
> to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
> here, but I hope you can get it worked out.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
> passing grade!
>
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that
> even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS
> word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester
> and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that
> since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass
> the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he
> provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
> because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
> listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken
> word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear
> from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying
> that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation
> and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
> pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all.
> I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response
> was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should
> work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already
> informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well
> as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for
> their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
>
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
>
>
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:29:51 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:29:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Carol W. Greider - Biographical
References: <4E5BA4D0-5CA7-4D10-8D17-85B11012D292@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEE1EACC-FFD5-4FE7-9551-A61F261831FB@gmail.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Nesma Aly <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>
> Date: September 14, 2015 at 00:04:49 EDT
> To: Alycia Home <purplegirl799 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Carol W. Greider - Biographical
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Nesma <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com <mailto:nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>>
>> Date: May 31, 2014 at 08:46:30 EDT
>> To: Nesmat Aly <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com <mailto:nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Carol W. Greider - Biographical
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2009/greider-bio.html <http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2009/greider-bio.html>
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:32:45 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 15:32:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] interesting article
Message-ID: <ED1269F5-79E2-4353-892C-1C2DFEAB8BDA@gmail.com>

The article that I just forwarded is about a mobile prize winner who as a young kid was told that she could not for fill her dreams. Please read and enjoy

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 23 20:33:42 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:33:42 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	a	passing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN2PR10MB0109EEF07301CC7CE68191C1DC070@SN2PR10MB0109.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Great job keeping everything in writing especially with the supervisors to ensure that, no communication was getting out of hand. I would push the issue especially since you have it in writing.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 12:46 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that even with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS word to work properly.
> So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester and we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
> The problem is, he hasn't!
> I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that since I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass the class. he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he provided which would have made my papers a lot better.
> I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on, because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken word many times.
> Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear from him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying that he and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation and talk with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
> What would you all do in this situation?
> Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called pilot.
> The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
> I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response was that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should work with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already informed ODS (several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well as the inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for their email provider,) and nothing has been done.
> So where do I go next?
> 
> Thanks,
> Abigail Bolling
> 
> 
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 23:21:35 2015
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:21:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing
	me	a	passing grade!
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Why don't you just go to see your professor during his office hours and go
over your papers. That's what office hours are for to help the students. I
do it all the time and it works. He shouldn't refuse you to do it this way.
Bring your note taking device and write down what he says.
Hope it helps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 12:50 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Steve Jacobson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
passing grade!

Abby,

If there was a misunderstanding of what was to happen, I hope you can get it
resolved in such a way as to avoid not passing.  I know that some schools do
have a mechanism for allowing work to be turned in late to salvage a grade,
but of course that can vary between schools.

To say that comments in Word are not accessible might be a difficult
position to defend, though.  Which screen reader do you use and what seemed
to be not accessible?  You didn't say exactly what didn't work propperly.
If your professor said he would send you his comments in parentheses, it
would seem that he has some willingness to change to make things go better
for you.  When did he agree to do that, and did you follow up to find out
why that didn't happen?  It might be possible to avoid a confrontation, but
if not, you will need to have explanations ready for the above.  Your best
bet might be to ask for additional time because you were not aware of how to
handle comments in Word and see if things can be salvaged that way.  If for
some reason you can't deal with the comments he has inserted, I would think
it would be reasonable to work with someone in your Disabled Students office
to make the comments available to you.  There seems to be some gray areas
here, but I hope you can get it worked out.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Abby Bolling
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 11:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Abby Bolling <violingirl30794 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me a
passing grade!

Hi all,
So, I have been having so many problems with my English class in that even
with all of your advice, I can not get the comments feature in MS word to
work properly.
So I have talked with and emailed my professor extensively all semester and
we have agreed that he would put his comments in parenthesis.
The problem is, he hasn't!
I received an email this morning that consisted of him telling me that since
I had not turned in any acceptable final drafts, I could not pass the class.
he went on to say that I did nothing with the comments he provided which
would have made my papers a lot better.
I have since emailed his supervisor to explain what has been going on,
because I refuse to accept a failing grade because a professor would not
listen to accommadations that he had agreed upon in writing, and spoken word
many times.
Should I push further and harder with the supervisor if I don't hear from
him in the next few days? I did get an email back from him saying that he
and I could not meet today, but he would look into the situation and talk
with my teacher early tomorrow morning.
What would you all do in this situation?
Also, a few of my teachers assignments are completed on a website called
pilot.
The conversation boards on pilot are almost completely inaccessible.
I can read other students postings, burt I can not reply to them at all. 
I have tried to inform my teacher of this problem as well. His response was
that he was sorry that technology wasn't working, but that I should work
with Disability Services more! My problem is I have already informed ODS
(several times) about this acce3ssibility problem, as well as the
inaccessible of outlook webmail (which wright state uses for their email
provider,) and nothing has been done.
So where do I go next?

Thanks,
Abigail Bolling


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 24 00:20:49 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:20:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>

Abby,

I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to 
work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can do 
the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky in that 
area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always volunteer 
readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for every time they 
read or you could do something for them like tutor them in a subject in 
exchange for reading.

As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor and 
have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm wondering 
though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say something sooner? 
Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over papers? I know some 
adjunct professors do not have office hours or will not make appointments 
for those people who have conflicts with office hours. Maybe this professor 
is one of them.

I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I 
understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing the 
professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote, I'd see 
them a few minutes after class.

Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the chain 
of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next in command 
is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but usually the 
next in command is the department chair or an assistant dean. However, maybe 
the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a lot to do at the end of 
the semester to play catch up.
If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and also 
give you a due date for your missing work.

I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible online 
platform.

Ashley 



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 24 00:26:34 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:26:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <4C1EAC48-EC59-4F00-9B51-C700958BB57A@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<4C1EAC48-EC59-4F00-9B51-C700958BB57A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36BEE7382EE64C3A893F4D6EB35379D2@OwnerPC>

Anna,
but she already advocated to the professor. He agreed to do it but did not 
follow through.
It seems like the supervisor is the next best step. Yes there are people in 
dss, but they coordinate accomodations. It’s a professor's responsibility to 
follow through with her documented accomodations.

Going through the ADA coordinator who has no clue of the situation sounds 
like a bad idea; too many people involved then.

Anyway, that's my take on things.
Ashley 



From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 00:34:36 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:34:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <36BEE7382EE64C3A893F4D6EB35379D2@OwnerPC>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<4C1EAC48-EC59-4F00-9B51-C700958BB57A@gmail.com>
	<36BEE7382EE64C3A893F4D6EB35379D2@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <5653B09C.7070905@gmail.com>

I was able to go to the disability services, and they said that they are 
behind me 100%. (I guess it helps when the director, Tom Webb, helped 
write the ADA before coming to the university... :) just a fun fact!)
My prof's supervisor is meeting with my prof tomorrow, and both of them 
will email me about the outcome. The person under the director for ODS 
said the thing that will probably happen is I will receive an Incomplete 
for the class. Because if the prof fails me, ODS will veto the decision 
and make him give me an I. that will mean that I will be working my butt 
off over winter break so I can take my composition class next semester!
Anyway, I will be sending you guys updates as I get them!
Thank you all for your help!

Abby

On 11/23/2015 7:26 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> Anna,
> but she already advocated to the professor. He agreed to do it but did 
> not follow through.
> It seems like the supervisor is the next best step. Yes there are 
> people in dss, but they coordinate accomodations. It’s a professor's 
> responsibility to follow through with her documented accomodations.
>
> Going through the ADA coordinator who has no clue of the situation 
> sounds like a bad idea; too many people involved then.
>
> Anyway, that's my take on things.
> Ashley
>
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Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
Phone: (513) 512-3456
Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
Abilities United: Secretary
Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
"keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
"Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William Purkey)
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
  



From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 00:38:20 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abby Bolling)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:38:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>

the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me 
a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he 
rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if 
I couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's 
email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a 
meeting with the superviser, etc)

Thanks,
Abby

On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> Abby,
>
> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible 
> to work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a 
> reader can do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, 
> I was lucky in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there 
> is always volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them 
> lunch for every time they read or you could do something for them like 
> tutor them in a subject in exchange for reading.
>
> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor 
> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm 
> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say 
> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over 
> papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or 
> will not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with 
> office hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>
> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I 
> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing 
> the professor in office hours or even if its something small they 
> wrote, I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>
> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the 
> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the 
> next in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to 
> college but usually the next in command is the department chair or an 
> assistant dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like 
> you have a lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and 
> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>
> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible 
> online platform.
>
> Ashley
>
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-- 
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Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
Phone: (513) 512-3456
Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
Abilities United: Secretary
Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
"keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
"Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William Purkey)
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
  



From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Nov 24 00:56:26 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (Kennnedy Stomberg)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:56:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>
	<5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9EFE8035-311C-4C68-B410-D25B2087C9A4@coe.edu>

You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this discouraging?  
Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt that people will see that. 
But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer! 
Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I think the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are not alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's always that one profesor that is completely clueless! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if I couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a meeting with the superviser, etc)
> 
> Thanks,
> Abby
> 
>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>> Abby,
>> 
>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor them in a subject in exchange for reading.
>> 
>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or will not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with office hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>> 
>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing the professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote, I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>> 
>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and also give you a due date for your missing work.
>> 
>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible online platform.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> -- 
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> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
> Phone: (513) 512-3456
> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
> Abilities United: Secretary
> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William Purkey)
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Nov 24 01:09:14 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:09:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>
	<5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avdsHeDFfD2tNZjkbT8A1mzoo-vXH+0yu=ORPO2cXfYfqw@mail.gmail.com>

One thing I can suggest is not to just let things go. If you can't read the
comments then while you are trying to get things sorted out ask a person to
read them to you. I am sure you could have had someone at disabled students
read the comments for you.

Yes, the school needs to accommodate but ultimately your success in a class
falls on you.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me a
> deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he
> rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if I
> couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's
> email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a
> meeting with the superviser, etc)
>
> Thanks,
> Abby
>
> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>
>> Abby,
>>
>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to
>> work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can do
>> the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky in
>> that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always volunteer
>> readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for every time they
>> read or you could do something for them like tutor them in a subject in
>> exchange for reading.
>>
>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor
>> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm
>> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say
>> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over papers?
>> I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or will not make
>> appointments for those people who have conflicts with office hours. Maybe
>> this professor is one of them.
>>
>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I
>> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing the
>> professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote, I'd
>> see them a few minutes after class.
>>
>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the
>> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next in
>> command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but
>> usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant dean.
>> However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a lot to do
>> at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and
>> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>
>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible
>> online platform.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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>>
>
> --
> Abigail M. Bolling
> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
> Phone: (513) 512-3456
> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
> Abilities United: Secretary
> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation
> of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
> music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like
> no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William Purkey)
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 01:24:53 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 18:24:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
In-Reply-To: <9EFE8035-311C-4C68-B410-D25B2087C9A4@coe.edu>
References: <5653506F.3080404@gmail.com>
	<64A261A12F0C4B4AABCC5A7897BB4DD5@OwnerPC>
	<5653B17C.80708@gmail.com>
	<9EFE8035-311C-4C68-B410-D25B2087C9A4@coe.edu>
Message-ID: <5FFEADC1-E9BD-4DE3-B34B-EC1C9C23C891@gmail.com>

Abby, 
Thanks for the update.  Sounds like you are on track.  
I will say Kennedy to your comment.  The NFB is trying to work on this.  Perhaps in this particular situation it may be a simple issue with the professor, I am not sure.  But all this inaccesibility stuff can be resolved if we work for it.  The purpose of Aim High (formerly TEACH act) is to create guidelines for schools so that we don't have to just keep our heads up and not change the situation.  We can change the situation.  

Anna



> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kennnedy Stomberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this discouraging?  
> Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt that people will see that. 
> But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer! 
> Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I think the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are not alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's always that one profesor that is completely clueless! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if I couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
>> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a meeting with the superviser, etc)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Abby
>> 
>>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Abby,
>>> 
>>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor them in a subject in exchange for reading.
>>> 
>>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or will not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with office hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>>> 
>>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing the professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote, I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>>> 
>>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>> 
>>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible online platform.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> 
>> -- 
>> Abigail M. Bolling
>> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
>> Phone: (513) 512-3456
>> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
>> Abilities United: Secretary
>> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
>> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William Purkey)
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 01:43:38 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:43:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
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Again, track changes comments and protected documents are accessible.
Abby simply didn't know the JAWS commands needed to access those
materials. Sometimes this learning curve affects sighted students,
too. That is why a lot of colleges allow students to get an
"incomplete" grade so that students have time to figure things out.
I also agree that while we need to continually push for access, there
are times when the most practical solution is simply to enlist sighted
assistance from a relative, friend, hired reader, professor, or reader
provided by disability services. There are times when accessibility is
possible, but very inconvenient, or when we simply don't know the
appropriate screen reader commands to access the materials. There are
other times when accessibility is absent. In these cases, recruiting
sighted support, or more knowledgeable blind people, is perfectly
appropriate.
Arielle

On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Abby,
> Thanks for the update.  Sounds like you are on track.
> I will say Kennedy to your comment.  The NFB is trying to work on this.
> Perhaps in this particular situation it may be a simple issue with the
> professor, I am not sure.  But all this inaccesibility stuff can be resolved
> if we work for it.  The purpose of Aim High (formerly TEACH act) is to
> create guidelines for schools so that we don't have to just keep our heads
> up and not change the situation.  We can change the situation.
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kennnedy Stomberg via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about
>> inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this
>> discouraging?
>> Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt
>> that people will see that.
>> But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer!
>> Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I think
>> the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are not
>> alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's always
>> that one profesor that is completely clueless!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me
>>> a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he
>>> rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if I
>>> couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
>>> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's
>>> email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a
>>> meeting with the superviser, etc)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Abby
>>>
>>>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Abby,
>>>>
>>>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to
>>>> work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can
>>>> do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky
>>>> in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always
>>>> volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for
>>>> every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor them
>>>> in a subject in exchange for reading.
>>>>
>>>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor
>>>> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm
>>>> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say
>>>> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over
>>>> papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or will
>>>> not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with office
>>>> hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>>>>
>>>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I
>>>> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing
>>>> the professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote,
>>>> I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>>>>
>>>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the
>>>> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next
>>>> in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but
>>>> usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant
>>>> dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a
>>>> lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>>>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and
>>>> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>>>
>>>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible
>>>> online platform.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/violingirl30794%40gmail.com
>>>
>>> --
>>> Abigail M. Bolling
>>> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
>>> Phone: (513) 512-3456
>>> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
>>> Abilities United: Secretary
>>> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation
>>> of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
>>> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>> music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
>>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like
>>> no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William
>>> Purkey)
>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu
>>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 02:21:50 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 19:21:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
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Agreed!  I think that was the only issue here.  But I do wonder for my own sake, is there a way to use those discussion board websites with screen reader? Or like chatroom kinda websites... I'm not sure what they are called? I have had to use them for school before and found it impossible.  

Anna



> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Again, track changes comments and protected documents are accessible.
> Abby simply didn't know the JAWS commands needed to access those
> materials. Sometimes this learning curve affects sighted students,
> too. That is why a lot of colleges allow students to get an
> "incomplete" grade so that students have time to figure things out.
> I also agree that while we need to continually push for access, there
> are times when the most practical solution is simply to enlist sighted
> assistance from a relative, friend, hired reader, professor, or reader
> provided by disability services. There are times when accessibility is
> possible, but very inconvenient, or when we simply don't know the
> appropriate screen reader commands to access the materials. There are
> other times when accessibility is absent. In these cases, recruiting
> sighted support, or more knowledgeable blind people, is perfectly
> appropriate.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Abby,
>> Thanks for the update.  Sounds like you are on track.
>> I will say Kennedy to your comment.  The NFB is trying to work on this.
>> Perhaps in this particular situation it may be a simple issue with the
>> professor, I am not sure.  But all this inaccesibility stuff can be resolved
>> if we work for it.  The purpose of Aim High (formerly TEACH act) is to
>> create guidelines for schools so that we don't have to just keep our heads
>> up and not change the situation.  We can change the situation.
>> 
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kennnedy Stomberg via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about
>>> inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this
>>> discouraging?
>>> Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt
>>> that people will see that.
>>> But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer!
>>> Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I think
>>> the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are not
>>> alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's always
>>> that one profesor that is completely clueless!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave me
>>>> a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and he
>>>> rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if I
>>>> couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
>>>> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my prof's
>>>> email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a
>>>> meeting with the superviser, etc)
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Abby
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>> Abby,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible to
>>>>> work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader can
>>>>> do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was lucky
>>>>> in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always
>>>>> volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for
>>>>> every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor them
>>>>> in a subject in exchange for reading.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the supervisor
>>>>> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm
>>>>> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say
>>>>> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over
>>>>> papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or will
>>>>> not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with office
>>>>> hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I
>>>>> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing
>>>>> the professor in office hours or even if its something small they wrote,
>>>>> I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the
>>>>> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the next
>>>>> in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college but
>>>>> usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant
>>>>> dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have a
>>>>> lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>>>>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply and
>>>>> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible
>>>>> online platform.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/violingirl30794%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Abigail M. Bolling
>>>> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
>>>> Phone: (513) 512-3456
>>>> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
>>>> Abilities United: Secretary
>>>> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National Federation
>>>> of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
>>>> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
>>>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing like
>>>> no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William
>>>> Purkey)
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu
>>> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Nov 24 02:40:33 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:40:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] new article on teaching stats to blind students
Message-ID: <auto-000042810116@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Subject: [Blindmath] new article on teaching stats to blind students
>From: "Godfrey, Jonathan via Blindmath" <blindmath at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: "Godfrey, Jonathan" <A.J.Godfrey at massey.ac.nz>
>
>Hello all,
>
>I'm pleased to advise that an article written by me and Theodor 
>Loots (also on this list) is about to appear in the Journal of 
>Statistics Education.
>
>In the end we called it "Advice from blind teachers on  how to teach 
>statistics to blind students" and I'm comfortable that it is a good 
>read. We didn't talk about anything experimental as too often we've 
>noted that experimental things don't always make it to common use in 
>classrooms. The journal currently publishes its works in pdf but 
>maybe one day they'll convert the back-issues to html. The pdf is 
>readable but the headings and tables are not structured. I'm waiting 
>for permission to make a more structured version available in html.
>
>The direct url for download is:
>http://www.amstat.org/publications/jse/v23n3/godfrey.pdf
>
>Perhaps one of the most interesting things is that Theodor and I 
>have worked on this and another paper without ever being face to 
>face. That's changing this summer (southern hemisphere style) so 
>perhaps we'll think about the next papers to work on while we're together.
>
>Cheers,
>Jonathan
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 05:29:21 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:29:21 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
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Hi all,

As for Word 2013, I have not been able to read track changes or
comments in word docs after switching to this most recent version.  I
used to use them all the time in my classes and for my job, but now
all jaws says is something like "comment field" and doesn't read the
comment.  I never allow my documents to be in protected view.  So
maybe Abby is dealing with the same bug I have been.

As for discussion board type websites, yes, they can be accessible.  I
have tested discussions on Blackboard, D2L, and Canvas.  The
Blackboard and D2L discussion boards were both accessible and easy to
follow.  The Canvas one was more difficult to handle, but they have
updated their system so many times since I tested it last that I can't
speak to it now.



On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Agreed!  I think that was the only issue here.  But I do wonder for my own
> sake, is there a way to use those discussion board websites with screen
> reader? Or like chatroom kinda websites... I'm not sure what they are
> called? I have had to use them for school before and found it impossible.
>
> Anna
>
>
>
>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Again, track changes comments and protected documents are accessible.
>> Abby simply didn't know the JAWS commands needed to access those
>> materials. Sometimes this learning curve affects sighted students,
>> too. That is why a lot of colleges allow students to get an
>> "incomplete" grade so that students have time to figure things out.
>> I also agree that while we need to continually push for access, there
>> are times when the most practical solution is simply to enlist sighted
>> assistance from a relative, friend, hired reader, professor, or reader
>> provided by disability services. There are times when accessibility is
>> possible, but very inconvenient, or when we simply don't know the
>> appropriate screen reader commands to access the materials. There are
>> other times when accessibility is absent. In these cases, recruiting
>> sighted support, or more knowledgeable blind people, is perfectly
>> appropriate.
>> Arielle
>>
>>> On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Abby,
>>> Thanks for the update.  Sounds like you are on track.
>>> I will say Kennedy to your comment.  The NFB is trying to work on this.
>>> Perhaps in this particular situation it may be a simple issue with the
>>> professor, I am not sure.  But all this inaccesibility stuff can be
>>> resolved
>>> if we work for it.  The purpose of Aim High (formerly TEACH act) is to
>>> create guidelines for schools so that we don't have to just keep our
>>> heads
>>> up and not change the situation.  We can change the situation.
>>>
>>> Anna
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kennnedy Stomberg via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about
>>>> inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this
>>>> discouraging?
>>>> Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt
>>>> that people will see that.
>>>> But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer!
>>>> Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I
>>>> think
>>>> the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are
>>>> not
>>>> alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's
>>>> always
>>>> that one profesor that is completely clueless!
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave
>>>>> me
>>>>> a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and
>>>>> he
>>>>> rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well, if
>>>>> I
>>>>> couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
>>>>> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my
>>>>> prof's
>>>>> email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting a
>>>>> meeting with the superviser, etc)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Abby
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>> Abby,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its possible
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was
>>>>>> lucky
>>>>>> in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always
>>>>>> volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch for
>>>>>> every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> in a subject in exchange for reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the
>>>>>> supervisor
>>>>>> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm
>>>>>> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say
>>>>>> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over
>>>>>> papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with office
>>>>>> hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I
>>>>>> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or seeing
>>>>>> the professor in office hours or even if its something small they
>>>>>> wrote,
>>>>>> I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the
>>>>>> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant
>>>>>> dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you have
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>>>>>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another inaccessible
>>>>>> online platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Abigail M. Bolling
>>>>> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
>>>>> Phone: (513) 512-3456
>>>>> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
>>>>> Abilities United: Secretary
>>>>> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National
>>>>> Federation
>>>>> of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
>>>>> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
>>>>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing
>>>>> like
>>>>> no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William
>>>>> Purkey)
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>> obstacles
>>>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 05:52:23 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 21:52:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
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Hi Julie. Have you tried bringing up the full list of comments with
control-shift-apostrophe? Even if it won't read each comment at its
place in the document, I think Word 2013 still lets you read the
comment list. Also, I'm pretty sure you can arrow through the list and
press enter on a comment to see where it's located in the document.
Arielle

On 11/23/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As for Word 2013, I have not been able to read track changes or
> comments in word docs after switching to this most recent version.  I
> used to use them all the time in my classes and for my job, but now
> all jaws says is something like "comment field" and doesn't read the
> comment.  I never allow my documents to be in protected view.  So
> maybe Abby is dealing with the same bug I have been.
>
> As for discussion board type websites, yes, they can be accessible.  I
> have tested discussions on Blackboard, D2L, and Canvas.  The
> Blackboard and D2L discussion boards were both accessible and easy to
> follow.  The Canvas one was more difficult to handle, but they have
> updated their system so many times since I tested it last that I can't
> speak to it now.
>
>
>
> On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Agreed!  I think that was the only issue here.  But I do wonder for my
>> own
>> sake, is there a way to use those discussion board websites with screen
>> reader? Or like chatroom kinda websites... I'm not sure what they are
>> called? I have had to use them for school before and found it impossible.
>>
>> Anna
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Again, track changes comments and protected documents are accessible.
>>> Abby simply didn't know the JAWS commands needed to access those
>>> materials. Sometimes this learning curve affects sighted students,
>>> too. That is why a lot of colleges allow students to get an
>>> "incomplete" grade so that students have time to figure things out.
>>> I also agree that while we need to continually push for access, there
>>> are times when the most practical solution is simply to enlist sighted
>>> assistance from a relative, friend, hired reader, professor, or reader
>>> provided by disability services. There are times when accessibility is
>>> possible, but very inconvenient, or when we simply don't know the
>>> appropriate screen reader commands to access the materials. There are
>>> other times when accessibility is absent. In these cases, recruiting
>>> sighted support, or more knowledgeable blind people, is perfectly
>>> appropriate.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>>> On 11/23/15, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Abby,
>>>> Thanks for the update.  Sounds like you are on track.
>>>> I will say Kennedy to your comment.  The NFB is trying to work on this.
>>>> Perhaps in this particular situation it may be a simple issue with the
>>>> professor, I am not sure.  But all this inaccesibility stuff can be
>>>> resolved
>>>> if we work for it.  The purpose of Aim High (formerly TEACH act) is to
>>>> create guidelines for schools so that we don't have to just keep our
>>>> heads
>>>> up and not change the situation.  We can change the situation.
>>>>
>>>> Anna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Kennnedy Stomberg via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> You know huys, we seem to be seeing a lot of e-mails on the list about
>>>>> inaccessibility in the  classroom. Does anyone else find this
>>>>> discouraging?
>>>>> Abby, I know you're being as proactive as you can, and I have no doubt
>>>>> that people will see that.
>>>>> But seriously, it's  kind of a bummer!
>>>>> Sorry to complain so much. I know it eoesn't change the situation. I
>>>>> think
>>>>> the important thing is to keep your head up, and remember that you are
>>>>> not
>>>>> alone! Because no matter how great the college you attend, there's
>>>>> always
>>>>> that one profesor that is completely clueless!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the prof gave me a chance to re-do the first paper, but he never gave
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> a deadline for it. I did email him a final draft of both papers, and
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> rejected them both b ecause I didn't listen to "his comments." well,
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> couldn't read them, how the heck was I supposed to follow them!
>>>>>> Anyway. I was going to email the supervisor today anyway, but my
>>>>>> prof's
>>>>>> email this morning made me take more action (going to ODS/requesting
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> meeting with the superviser, etc)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Abby
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/23/2015 7:20 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>>> Abby,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have much advice for inaccessible technology. If its
>>>>>>> possible
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> work with another classmate, that is an option. Also, using a reader
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> do the job too. I know most students cannot afford readers, I was
>>>>>>> lucky
>>>>>>> in that area. But vr should pay if you cannot. And, there is always
>>>>>>> volunteer readers if you trade something; like you buy them lunch
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> every time they read or you could do something for them like tutor
>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>> in a subject in exchange for reading.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for your english class, yes, I'd push further. Go to the
>>>>>>> supervisor
>>>>>>> and have a meeting. Remember to keep print  outs of your emails. I'm
>>>>>>> wondering though that if final drafts were due, why didn't you say
>>>>>>> something sooner? Why didn't you go to his office hours and go over
>>>>>>> papers? I know some adjunct professors do not have office hours or
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not make appointments for those people who have conflicts with
>>>>>>> office
>>>>>>> hours. Maybe this professor is one of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also struggled with getting access to comments in papers, so I
>>>>>>> understand the frustration. I usually end up using a reader or
>>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>>> the professor in office hours or even if its something small they
>>>>>>> wrote,
>>>>>>> I'd see them a few minutes after class.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Someone on list said go to the dean. Actually, you need to go up the
>>>>>>> chain of command. Going to the dean is not the best idea since the
>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>> in command is usually not a dean. It varies from college to college
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> usually the next in command is the department chair or an assistant
>>>>>>> dean. However, maybe the supervisor can help you. Seems like you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> lot to do at the end of the semester to play catch up.
>>>>>>> If the supervisor is understanding, he will get the prof to comply
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> also give you a due date for your missing work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope things work out and sorry to learn of yet another
>>>>>>> inaccessible
>>>>>>> online platform.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/violingirl30794%40gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Abigail M. Bolling
>>>>>> Wright State University-2018: Rehabilitation Services
>>>>>> Phone: (513) 512-3456
>>>>>> Email: bolling.8 at wright.edu
>>>>>> Abilities United: Secretary
>>>>>> Ohio Association of Guide Dog Users, a chapter of the National
>>>>>> Federation
>>>>>> of the Blind of Ohio: Secretary
>>>>>> "keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson-Diamond)
>>>>>> "Dance like no one is watching, love like you'll never be hurt, sing
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> no one is listening, and live like it's Heaven on earth." (William
>>>>>> Purkey)
>>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>>>>>> obstacles
>>>>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
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>
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 15:31:46 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 10:31:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
Message-ID: <565482f9.8858810a.43a5a.7cce@mx.google.com>

Hi Desma welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna 
Bacchus.  I am a visually impaired college student.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 18:30:05 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:30:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
	apassing grade!
Message-ID: <5654acc6.84c00d0a.cc3c5.ffffab3c@mx.google.com>

Hi Abagail you are doing a great job so far.  I would keep 
talking with the supervisor and see what he says.  Your 
Disability Support Services counselor should be able to help you 
with these situations.


From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 19:16:57 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:16:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
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References: <5654acc6.84c00d0a.cc3c5.ffffab3c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9uApeFoVD_aqWjhidZHMhTvmdbyc6hqzxypVZY7cd450Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Abby and all.  Glad you are making some progress in your situation.
When I took English classes at college, I had an English tutor.  who
helped me clean up my papers so they used proper grammar and sentence
structure.  The tutoring was free for me, and it really did help me a
great deal.  If your college offers tutoring, then I'd really suggest
you take advantage of it.  Tutoring is how I got through my math
courses.  Good luck.

On 11/24/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Abagail you are doing a great job so far.  I would keep
> talking with the supervisor and see what he says.  Your
> Disability Support Services counselor should be able to help you
> with these situations.
>
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 19:34:07 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 14:34:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
	school
Message-ID: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>

Hey,
My name is Shikha and i was wondering if anyone has taken geology as a blind college student.  I am taking geology lecture and lab next semester.  
I took chemistry one at my community college and i am redoing my lab sequence because i am required to take two lab classes.  My chemistry class got transferred over and it will fill up my elective requirements.  Is geology lecture and lab  an easy science class for a blind person?   I am an sophmore at Georgia state university and my major is social work.
How do you pick the best grad school 
I would like to go out of state even though my counselor will not pay for it.  I had an easy time picking Georgia state university because all of my credits transfer from my community school and I love living in the city!
The disability office is great.

  Shikha. 

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 20:26:12 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 15:26:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
	school
In-Reply-To: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
References: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7FCD4CF-189C-4343-94A5-C063CE3DEED1@gmail.com>

.I took two allergy in college and it went well I took it without the lab portion of the readings were very easy and very challenging

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 2:34 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> My name is Shikha and i was wondering if anyone has taken geology as a blind college student.  I am taking geology lecture and lab next semester.  
> I took chemistry one at my community college and i am redoing my lab sequence because i am required to take two lab classes.  My chemistry class got transferred over and it will fill up my elective requirements.  Is geology lecture and lab  an easy science class for a blind person?   I am an sophmore at Georgia state university and my major is social work.
> How do you pick the best grad school 
> I would like to go out of state even though my counselor will not pay for it.  I had an easy time picking Georgia state university because all of my credits transfer from my community school and I love living in the city!
> The disability office is great.
> 
>  Shikha. 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 22:17:42 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 17:17:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] convention and introduction
In-Reply-To: <565482f9.8858810a.43a5a.7cce@mx.google.com>
References: <565482f9.8858810a.43a5a.7cce@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJTqpvT0ak3PR5eBWPdhpdQr0jQwtcrpC0T_6wHizxidvRTAVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nice to meet you all, hoping to work with all of you to make this the best
Division we can
On Nov 24, 2015 10:33 AM, "Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Desma welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I
> am a visually impaired college student.
>
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Tue Nov 24 22:51:01 2015
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 16:51:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good
	grad	school
In-Reply-To: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
References: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d1270a$9a33b050$ce9b10f0$@gmail.com>

Hi Shika,
I took geology last semester. In my school it's called Earth Science, but as
I was told, it's basically the same thing. I had an excellent professor who
was very understanding of my situation and was trying to assist me in any
way possible.
I had a hard time during lectures because they were very visual, but he made
sure I got most out of that class by meeting with me individually and giving
me very detailed notes and study guide before the exams.
I had a lab partner as well. Obviously there were some assignments that I
simply couldn't complete because of its visual component, but working
one-on-one was very helpful.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to write.
Anya

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students
Cc: Shikha
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
school

Hey,
My name is Shikha and i was wondering if anyone has taken geology as a blind
college student.  I am taking geology lecture and lab next semester.  
I took chemistry one at my community college and i am redoing my lab
sequence because i am required to take two lab classes.  My chemistry class
got transferred over and it will fill up my elective requirements.  Is
geology lecture and lab  an easy science class for a blind person?   I am an
sophmore at Georgia state university and my major is social work.
How do you pick the best grad school 
I would like to go out of state even though my counselor will not pay for
it.  I had an easy time picking Georgia state university because all of my
credits transfer from my community school and I love living in the city!
The disability office is great.

  Shikha. 
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 00:25:41 2015
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:25:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
	school
In-Reply-To: <000401d1270a$9a33b050$ce9b10f0$@gmail.com>
References: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
	<000401d1270a$9a33b050$ce9b10f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE867DA8-6EFC-4DBA-A80D-F4316281F89E@gmail.com>

Thanks so much 

Shikha. 

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shika,
> I took geology last semester. In my school it's called Earth Science, but as
> I was told, it's basically the same thing. I had an excellent professor who
> was very understanding of my situation and was trying to assist me in any
> way possible.
> I had a hard time during lectures because they were very visual, but he made
> sure I got most out of that class by meeting with me individually and giving
> me very detailed notes and study guide before the exams.
> I had a lab partner as well. Obviously there were some assignments that I
> simply couldn't complete because of its visual component, but working
> one-on-one was very helpful.
> If you have any further questions, please feel free to write.
> Anya
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:34 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students
> Cc: Shikha
> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
> school
> 
> Hey,
> My name is Shikha and i was wondering if anyone has taken geology as a blind
> college student.  I am taking geology lecture and lab next semester.  
> I took chemistry one at my community college and i am redoing my lab
> sequence because i am required to take two lab classes.  My chemistry class
> got transferred over and it will fill up my elective requirements.  Is
> geology lecture and lab  an easy science class for a blind person?   I am an
> sophmore at Georgia state university and my major is social work.
> How do you pick the best grad school 
> I would like to go out of state even though my counselor will not pay for
> it.  I had an easy time picking Georgia state university because all of my
> credits transfer from my community school and I love living in the city!
> The disability office is great.
> 
>  Shikha. 
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Wed Nov 25 01:45:47 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 19:45:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
	school
In-Reply-To: <BE867DA8-6EFC-4DBA-A80D-F4316281F89E@gmail.com>
References: <A4533B4E-52D5-4995-9511-1B2EB6FA446D@gmail.com>
	<000401d1270a$9a33b050$ce9b10f0$@gmail.com>
	<BE867DA8-6EFC-4DBA-A80D-F4316281F89E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <602E916A-F395-4B3D-88AE-B2C3CA034B33@nfbtx.org>

I took a geology course this past relating to dinosaurs. The class had a major visual component to it. However, I kept an open dialogue between my professor. TA and myself. Hey hey altered my exams to be more comprehensive and less visual. I will be taking another geology course next semester called earth, wind and fire which should be fun. Keeping a constant dialogue between you and your professor is essential.

Good luck

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 24, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much 
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shika,
>> I took geology last semester. In my school it's called Earth Science, but as
>> I was told, it's basically the same thing. I had an excellent professor who
>> was very understanding of my situation and was trying to assist me in any
>> way possible.
>> I had a hard time during lectures because they were very visual, but he made
>> sure I got most out of that class by meeting with me individually and giving
>> me very detailed notes and study guide before the exams.
>> I had a lab partner as well. Obviously there were some assignments that I
>> simply couldn't complete because of its visual component, but working
>> one-on-one was very helpful.
>> If you have any further questions, please feel free to write.
>> Anya
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2015 1:34 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students
>> Cc: Shikha
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed for geology and how to choose a good grad
>> school
>> 
>> Hey,
>> My name is Shikha and i was wondering if anyone has taken geology as a blind
>> college student.  I am taking geology lecture and lab next semester.  
>> I took chemistry one at my community college and i am redoing my lab
>> sequence because i am required to take two lab classes.  My chemistry class
>> got transferred over and it will fill up my elective requirements.  Is
>> geology lecture and lab  an easy science class for a blind person?   I am an
>> sophmore at Georgia state university and my major is social work.
>> How do you pick the best grad school 
>> I would like to go out of state even though my counselor will not pay for
>> it.  I had an easy time picking Georgia state university because all of my
>> credits transfer from my community school and I love living in the city!
>> The disability office is great.
>> 
>> Shikha. 
>> _______________________________________________
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 14:18:38 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:18:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Laura Of Elegant Insights,
 A Business That Makes Braille Jewelry Is Interviewed On My Radio
 Show Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+wTRUH6=PqnRTeKXthM6fhwnRwEUdQ_LtiUBE6eyihAsw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!





Tonight's Digital Distraction show on Inner Visions is going to be
unique, fun, musically amazing and so much more.


Just for this week, the show will begin at 8 PM eastern, as I'll be
out before enjoying a fabulous Italian dinner, and I want to give
myself enough time to get home as full as I'll be lol.


But when I get back, the fun will begin.


Musically, some great 80's music, pop, country, and any requests await.


But in the second hour, at 9 pM eastern, you might find some great
gift ideas for Christmas, as I'll be presenting the interview I
recorded this weekend with Laura Legendary of Elegant Insights


www.elegantinsightsjewelry.com

In this interview, I take some time to learn how Laura got started
with her work, how tragedy turned into a springboard for much success,
and you might even get a glimpse into who Laura is when she's not
doing public speaking or making jewelry. Singer? Football lover? Find
out tonight. You can learn some about her prior to the interview by
following her on twitter at either

accessible_info


or


elegantinsights


or via facebook at


facebook.com/Elegant.Insights



And of course, there is also the aca awesome set, which will blow your
mind, maybe play that year, Most Common Denominator, it's all on the
table for you tonight!

And as always, your requests are always welcome. We'll have our
request page back soon, I promise. But till we do, you can tweet me at

ivrnetwork

skype me at

ivrnetwork

call me up at

325-480-1039

or join us on the Inner Visions Teamtalk. To do this, download Teamtalk at

https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/fdofoz

then connect to

server.inner-visions.org

default ports of 10333

And of course, to listen, visit

http://www.inner-visions.org/radio

or put the following into your default media player of choice such as
Winamp, Windows Media Player, etc.

http://server.inner-visions.org:8000/stream

Between the interview, the music, and the fun interactions, I'm
psyched about tonight's show. So whether you're traveling, spending a
quiet night at home before Thanksgiving, or playing with a turkey...
To get it prepped for cooking of course, I hope to see you there
tonight, starting at 8 PM eastern! See you there!
>From David Dunphy


From kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org  Wed Nov 25 16:20:12 2015
From: kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org (Kaitlyn Millen)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 09:20:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon for Students who are Blind,
 VI, and Sighted- Early application deadline is Dec. 4!
Message-ID: <CACW0Y_qX_2owPvqvLp9=rOdCU9JGiVa_WMgaQYOYR7wAGa08nQ@mail.gmail.com>

*Dear NABS, *

*Please check out this exciting opportunity, share with anyone who may be
interested and take note of the early application deadline on December 4th.*

*Thank you! *
*Kaitlyn Millen*
*LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org <LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org> *

*NO BARRIERS YOUTH*

*Leading the Way*: *Grand Canyon Sound Academy *

http://nobarriersyouth.org/programs/leading_the_way



This program is for students who are blind/ visually impaired or
fully-sighted.

A group of 20 teenagers from across the U.S. will be selected to receive
scholarships for a once-in-a-lifetime leadership adventure: Grand Canyon
Sound Academy.

*Dates:* July 24-August 4, 2016

*Student Program Fee and Scholarship:* In celebration of the National Park
Service’s 100th birthday, the Natural Sounds and Night Skies Division is
providing generous scholarship support. Youth participants will only be
responsible for paying or fundraising *a $300 No Barriers program fee as
well as travel costs to/from Phoenix, AZ.* (This reflects a *scholarship of
$2,700/person*). Selected participants will be expected to fulfill a set of
scholarship requirements before, during, and after the expedition.

*TO APPLY: *Submit an online application and correlating materials here:

*https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy/*
<https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy/>

*EARLY APPLICATION DEADLINE: *December 4
*LATE APPLICATION DEADLINE:* January 8, 2016


-- 
*KAITLYN MILLEN |** School Programs Manager*
*Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/
224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521

OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322

TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073

www.nobarriersusa.org
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:01:23 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:01:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
Message-ID: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>

I press control plus plus and now I have no idea how to get rid of the paragraph markers and space markers! Can somebody tell me how to correct this? Help!!! I'm in the middle of writing a article for work!
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:10:23 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:10:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
In-Reply-To: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>
References: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <287FBCDF-EAC7-4C10-B557-2B00F44C9178@gmail.com>

Hi Jewl! di dyou try doing back space or teh scape key? Meaning pressing them I never experience this problem but I hope this helps! Thanks an d God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 3:01 PM, Jewel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I press control plus plus and now I have no idea how to get rid of the paragraph markers and space markers! Can somebody tell me how to correct this? Help!!! I'm in the middle of writing a article for work!
> Jewel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:13:14 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:13:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
In-Reply-To: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>
References: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e001d127bd$b7917340$26b459c0$@gmail.com>

Try alt f t for options, then arrow down to display.  Tab over and uncheck
paragraph markers.  
Justin

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:01 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jewel <herekittykat97 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus

I press control plus plus and now I have no idea how to get rid of the
paragraph markers and space markers! Can somebody tell me how to correct
this? Help!!! I'm in the middle of writing a article for work!
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:20:34 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:20:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
In-Reply-To: <00e001d127bd$b7917340$26b459c0$@gmail.com>
References: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>
	<00e001d127bd$b7917340$26b459c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43E4F4AA-ECFB-4636-94E1-4E1B6272B502@gmail.com>

Thanks this word! Now back to work. Period.
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Try alt f t for options, then arrow down to display.  Tab over and uncheck
> paragraph markers.  
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:01 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jewel <herekittykat97 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
> 
> I press control plus plus and now I have no idea how to get rid of the
> paragraph markers and space markers! Can somebody tell me how to correct
> this? Help!!! I'm in the middle of writing a article for work!
> Jewel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:24:12 2015
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:24:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleSense U2 Question
Message-ID: <D8686645-E030-4BC9-B7AE-48958BB77D56@gmail.com>

Hey All,

I am having this problem with my U2 where it is not showing me the flash disk and is unable to save files to the SD card. Have any of you seen this problem. If so, please write me off-list at jordyn2493 at gmail.com <mailto:jordyn2493 at gmail.com>.

Thanks,

JOrdyn

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 20:26:07 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:26:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
In-Reply-To: <43E4F4AA-ECFB-4636-94E1-4E1B6272B502@gmail.com>
References: <4005F3F1-6337-438A-9379-89DC65F3C63A@gmail.com>	<00e001d127bd$b7917340$26b459c0$@gmail.com>
	<43E4F4AA-ECFB-4636-94E1-4E1B6272B502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00e701d127bf$84413dc0$8cc3b940$@gmail.com>

Outstanding.  
Justin.


-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jewel <herekittykat97 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus

Thanks this word! Now back to work. Period.
Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2015, at 3:13 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Try alt f t for options, then arrow down to display.  Tab over and 
> uncheck paragraph markers.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jewel via 
> nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:01 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Jewel <herekittykat97 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Help! I press control plus plus
> 
> I press control plus plus and now I have no idea how to get rid of the 
> paragraph markers and space markers! Can somebody tell me how to 
> correct this? Help!!! I'm in the middle of writing a article for work!
> Jewel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kevin.andrews94 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 21:42:21 2015
From: kevin.andrews94 at gmail.com (Kevin Andrews)
Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 16:42:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Blind Experience
Message-ID: <CACb-+vEDLF+8YFUu8Z6npDqM=5Teqr7gbzJOXLgjGWzWhypCZw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I'm in my final year of undergrad at Central Michigan University. Over
the past few days I've been setting up The Blind Experience. My goal
with this site is to chronicle the experiences and often wacky
encounters myself and other blind people contend with on a pretty
regular basis through humorous and educational anecdotes. If anyone is
interested in contributing, I'd be thrilled to have you. Please shoot
me an email off list to kevin.andrews94 at Gmail.com. Just tell me a
little about yourself, where you're from and we'll go from there.

Check it out and let me know your thoughts!

http://www.theblindexperience.com

-- 
Best Regards,
Kevin Andrews


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From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
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Fellow Federationists,
Below and attached, you will find this month's edition of the NABS
Notes. Please contact me at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com with any questions,
concerns, or suggestions. Happy reading, and have a wonderful
Thanksgiving!
All Best,
Hindley
NABS Notes November 2015

The National Association of Blind Students --
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind.

In this edition of the NABS monthly bulletin:

1.	The NFB National Scholarship – APPLY TODAY!
2.	Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy
3.	The ins and outs of Mathematics: Upcoming Membership Call
4.	Announcement: State Student Presidents call this Sunday!
5.	State Updates
6.	November NABS Board Meeting Minutes

The NFB National Scholarship – APPLY TODAY!

Are you legally blind?
Do you reside in the United States, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico?
Are you pursuing or planning to pursue a full-time, postsecondary
course of study at a U.S. institution in the 2016 scholastic year?
Are you available to attend the entire NFB National Convention in
Orlando, Florida from June 30-July 5, 2016?
Are you eager to meet Federation leaders and network with some of the
brightest, most passionate mentors out there?

If you said yes to all of these questions, then we strongly encourage
you to apply to our 2016 National Scholarship Program!
To recognize achievement by blind scholars, the National Federation of
the Blind annually offers blind college students in the United States
and Puerto Rico the opportunity to win one of thirty merit-based,
national-level scholarships ranging in value of $3,000 to $12,000. All
scholarships awarded are based on academic excellence, community
service, and leadership.
Visit our website at www.nfb.org/scholarships to begin your application!

Remember: applications, along with all necessary documents, must be
submitted no later than March 31, 2016. Do not wait until the end of
February to start gathering additional information and beginning the
online form.

Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy

This program is for students who are blind/ visually impaired or fully-sighted.
A group of 20 teenagers from across the U.S. will be selected to
receive scholarships for a once-in-a-lifetime leadership adventure:
Grand Canyon Sound Academy.
Dates: July 24-August 4, 2016
Student Program Fee and Scholarship: In celebration of the National
Park Service’s 100th birthday, the Natural Sounds and Night Skies
Division is providing generous scholarship support. Youth participants
will only be responsible for paying or fundraising a $300 No Barriers
program fee as well as travel costs to/from Phoenix, AZ. (This
reflects a scholarship of $2,700/person).
Selected participants will be expected to fulfill a set of scholarship
requirements before, during, and after the expedition.

TO APPLY: Submit an online application and correlating materials here:
www.nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy
EARLY APPLICATION DEADLINE: December 4
LATE APPLICATION DEADLINE: January 8, 2016
To learn more, visit www.nobarriersyouth.org/programs/leading__the_way

The Ins and Outs of Mathematics: Upcoming NABS Membership Call

When: Sunday, December 13, 2016
    Time: 7pm eastern
Where: NABS Conference call line
    Dial: 605-475-6700
    Access code: 7869673

Come join us on our December membership call to discuss the ins and
outs of Mathematics with two fabulous guest speakers! Be sure to bring
lots of questions!

State Student Presidents Call this Sunday

When: Sunday, November 29, 2016
  Time: 9pm eastern
Where: NABS conference Call line
    Dial: 605-475-7600
    Access code: 7869673

State student division presidents: NABS wants to hear from you!
Please join us this Sunday for what will be an engaging and
information-filled call!

State Updates

All updates are printed below as they were received from their senders.

Arizona:
Greetings from the Arizona students division! As we approach the
holiday season the Arizona ABS is ramping up for some seasonal fund
raising events. We are constructing holiday gift baskets full of
Christmas favorites such as hot coco, candy canes, seasonal coffee
mugs, and fruit jams amongst other items. We will be auctioning these
baskets during Arizona chapter holiday parties from North Phoenix all
the way down to lower Tucson and everything in between. We are also
planning an awesome event to ring in the New Year’s which will be a
lot of fun and also a great opportunity for membership building! To go
along with all this fun event planning, and fund raising Arizona is
busy putting together a student seminar where we will be looking to
partner with local organizations to introduce upcoming students,
current students, and parents of blind students to the Federation and
let them see all the awesome work we are doing everyday on their
behalf. We are proud to share with you that SAAVI, will be partnering
with the students division by offering their Tucson location for us to
host the seminar. We are looking forward to this holiday season and
all the great work we do together, and as always, through Love Hope
and Determination we change what it means to be blind because we will
live the lives we want!

California:
The California Association of Blind Students is excitedly embarking on
a new chapter, with several new board members: Carla Scroggins
(President), Mary Church (First Vice-President), Miso Kwak (Second
Vice-President), Candace Luther (Secretary), Hoby Wedler (Treasurer),
and board members Tino Benelli and Jimmy Cong. We are very excited to
work together to strengthen and grow both the student division as well
as the Federation.
We had a wonderful time at our state convention in Fremont, CA October
30th – November 1st. Events included a pizza social hosted by CABS, as
well as an inspirational and motivating meeting, including encouraging
and inspiring speeches by our NABS state liaison Garrett Mooney, NFB
of California affiliate President Mary Willows, and immediate past
CABS president Angela Fowler. There was a great turnout of college
students at convention and at our CABS meeting in particular. We are
eager to get to work building our student division and our Federation.
Our first board meeting on Sunday November 15th went very well as we
began the exciting task of building a strong board for a strong
California student division. We look forward to having a lot to report
as our affiliate grows. Wishing everyone a very happy holiday season.

Colorado:
The Colorado Association of Blind Students (CABS) held our annual
business meeting at the NFB of Colorado's state convention on October
31.  We got to hear from our national rep, president Riccobono and our
state president Scott LaBarre on their experiences with the NFB's
student division and their thoughts on student involvement,
leadership, and building the Federation.   NABS president Sean Whalen
called in to give us a NABS update as well.  It was great to have
Learning Ally present on their services and their new college
mentoring program.  A new board was elected with Anna Givens as
president, JJ Aragon as vice president, Nick Thomas as treasurer,
Liliya Asadullina as secretary, and board members Quincie Mattick,
Antonio Rozier, and JJ Duran.
Throughout the convention we sold keychains that we hand made.
We are still doing our NFL football pool fundraiser where people can
win some of the money we raised.
Since the convention we have created a twitter account  @cabslink and
stepped it up on Facebook to do some membership outreach.  We are
looking forward to our end of semester/Christmas celebration that we
are currently planning.  Lastly, we are starting to plan a leadership
seminar to be held in the beginning of the year.  There is much ahead
and we all are looking forward to the coming year.

Connecticut:
The Connecticut Association of Blind Students held its fourth annual
business meeting at the forty-fourth annual National Federation of the
Blind of Connecticut State Convention in November. We had our annual
snack pack fundraiser and were proud to participate in the Legislative
Leadership Workshop co-hosted by the NFB of Connecticut and the
National Association of Blind Students. CTABS Founder and President
Justin Salisbury passed the presidential torch to Brian Martin, of
Stamford, Connecticut, who is a graduate of the Post-secondary
Readiness Empowerment Program (PREP) at BLIND, Inc.

Illinois:
Over Halloween weekend Illinois held its state convention in
Naperville, IL. During the weekend IABS had two fundraisers, a 50/50
raffle as well as a Karaoke night called IABS Idol, as well as a
student luncheon where we were pleased to have our NABS rep Candice
Chapman speak. We also had our yearly IABS business meeting. This year
we elected several new members to serve on the IABS board ranging from
high school students to grad students. Currently IABS is planning a
Student Seminar on April 16th 2016 in Chicago, IL. Last year the
seminar was attended by students in Michigan, Minnesota, Indiana,
Colorado, and Illinois. If any states are interested in attending or
help with planning the student seminar just let me know at
kayteaell at gmail.com .

Kansas:
The Kansas student division is alive and well! This year at our state
convention in Wichita, we had our inaugural business meeting, which
consisted of various speakers including leaders in the affiliate, our
national representative Julie Deden, and our student representative
Hindley Williams. There was a lot of energy at our convention, and we
are excited to recruit new members, and take the ideas that we
brainstormed together and put them into action!

Maryland:
The 2015 convention of the National Federation of the Blind of
Maryland was a truly unforgettable event, and the activities our
student division hosted during the convention were a huge success! On
Friday, over 25 students of all ages and from all walks of life
attended our annual business meeting, greatly exceeding the
expectations of our planning committee. Many of these students also
attended a luncheon we hosted on Saturday afternoon. In both of these
action-packed meetings, we were inspired and energized by such dynamic
presenters as NFBMD President Sharon Maneki, NFB national rep Jeannie
Massay, and NABS national rep Kathryn Webster. We also conducted a
very successful 50-50 raffle, raising $111 for the division thanks
largely to the work of our able fundraising chair, Erin Daring. At our
business meeting we elected an energetic new Board, which consists of
the following leaders:
President: Chris Nusbaum
Vice President: Nathan Clark
Secretary: Ellana Crew
Treasurer: Erin Daring
Board Members: Nesma Aly, Tyron Bratcher, and Alycia Levy
We congratulate these emerging leaders and look forward to the work
MDABS will do under their leadership. Stay tuned for future updates
from Maryland—great things are coming!

Massachusetts:
We, along with our affiliate, attended a listening session with the
Commissioner of the Massachusetts Commission for the Blind. He has
asked us to write a self-advocacy toolkit that they can send to
students who call in needing help with inaccessibility at school.
We are also collecting data on what the commission has told students
regarding out of state funding. Apparently some students have been
misinformed or have misunderstood MCB's policies in this area. The
commission would like to further investigate. We have just completed
our list of 90 colleges and universities DSS contact information so we
can disseminate our state and national scholarship applications as
well as publicize our listserv for crowdsourcing accessibility
problems.
Finally, we are working with NFBMA on building a parent, TVI workshop
for convention taking place February 26-28. We are very excited about
this collaboration and hope that we will get a big turnout. We are
offering continuing education credits for the TVIs in attendance.

Nevada:
The Nevada state convention took place in Las Vegas Nevada, the
weekend of October 29–November 1st. It was filled with excitement,
though not much change. At our annual convention business meeting, the
students had the pleasure of hosting Mr. Sachin Pavithran, Whitehouse
appointee and chair of the United States access board, and Mr. Parnell
Diggs, immediate past president of the South Carolina Affiliate,
national representative, and executive director of governmental
affairs. Both distinguished gentlemen congratulated the Nevada
students on our recent outreach success, while reminding us to stay
diligent. There were no elections this year, as the Nevada student
division constitution mirrors the affiliate constitution, which
specifies elections will take place every two-years. Thus, the board
is as follows:
President: Ja’nisha Murphy (Junior, University of Nevada, Las Vegas)
Vice President: Nina Cadillo (sophomore, University of Nevada, Reno)
Secretary: Michael Ausbun (Senior, University of Nevada, Reno)
Treasurer: Ryan McKinney (junior, Truckey Meadows Community College)
At the banquet, several students were acknowledged for their work at a
variety of internships in and around the community. Those students
were Zippora Jones (tutoring blind children), Erik Bergraf (Assistive
technology training), Nina Cadillo (Software and website accessibility
analysis for the University), and Dora Uchel (integrating individuals
into independent living). Next, two students were rewarded
merit-based scholarships; those students were Dora Uchel (Social Work,
University of Nevada, Reno) and Michael Ausbun (Philosophy, University
of Nevada, Reno).
To end the convention, Michael Ausbun was elected to be the Nevada
Affiliate Vice-President, raising the student presence on the
affiliate board to four–Kimmie Beverly (President), Michael Ausbun
(Vice-President), Zappora Jones (Board member), and Dora Uchel (Board
Member). Together with Love, Hope, and Determination, we know that we
can, and will, transform our dreams into reality.

New Jersey:
New Jersey elected a new board at the 39th state convention a couple
of weeks ago. Vee Gaspa as President, Kristie Hong as Vice President,
Sammi Hashash as secretary/treasurer, Jeremy Capati as board member
one, and Hank Miller as board member two. The board is very eager and
had a long brainstorming session the weekend following convention on
their first board conference call. The affiliate is working close with
NJABS as we work to rebuild our division. We are planning a
fund-raiser to take place during the state affiliate’s holiday party
on Jan. 9. More great things to come in the future for NJABS!

New York:
As many of other states, we had our state convention around end of
October. It was held in redison hotel in Albany. there were many
exciting activities in the convention. However, two of the student
meetings had important mark. First one was Friday and we met
informally to get to know each other. On Saturday, we had our business
meeting and our election with a wonderful new young board. Also, a few
guest speakers gave grate words to our new comers. We believe they
were two productive meetings.   I hope you’ll hear from us more in the
future.

North Carolina:
Hello and Happy Thanksgiving fellow Federationist!
The North Carolina Association of Blind Students has been busy during
the month of November! Several of our members are planning on
attending Washington Seminar, and have been preparing themselves and
making plans to do so. Including applying for funding from NABS. There
are also a number of students in North Carolina that will be applying
for the NFB’s National Scholarship! To guide them through the
application process, we will have a member of the scholarship
committee on one of our upcoming calls to answer any questions about
applying. Lastly, we will be launching a very exciting contest on our
December membership call. The purpose of this contest is to motivate
more participation in NCABS through a little friendly competition. For
this contest, points will be awarded to our members when they complete
a variety of tasks. Tasks include attending conference calls, writing
equal access education testimonials, being engaged with us on social
media, and many more! Every three months, the person who has earned
the most points will win a prize! In September of 2016, at our next
State Convention, we will announce our grand prize winner who has
collected the most points over the entire ten month period. So as you
can see, NCABS, is keeping busy and working hard to do our part in
building the federation. Our next conference call will be Sunday
December  8, 2015 at 8:00. Call (712) 432-3900 and enter the access
code 3866158 to join us for our last call of 2015!
Best wishes to all students approaching the end the semester, finish strong!

Pennsylvania:
The Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students is at the threshold of
some very exciting new events and opportunities. A new board now
serves this student division: Hindley Williams (President), Lily
Asadullina (Vice-President), Lizzy Muhammad (Secretary), Jason
Polansky (Treasurer), and India Scott (Board Member). At the historic
convention in Wilkes-Barre this year, we heard from some inspiring
speakers, including our national president Mr. Riccobono, got to know
one another better, and have already started making plans and taking
action. Check out our Facebook group by searching “PABS,” and stay
tuned for more PABS activity! Much is on the horizon as we recruit new
members, plan a seminar, and live out a positive philosophy of
blindness as students.

Texas:
Howdy from the great state of Texas. On the weekend of November 13-15
we had a successful and exciting state convention in Austin, Texas. We
had several students in participation at our convention. Onn Friday
evening, we held the annual business meeting of the Texas Association
of Blind students. The meeting was full of energy. We had some great
presentations about NFB-Newsline®, being a student teacher, being a
mentor in STEM 2U, landing an internship, and so much more. Before
elections, Gabe Cazares delivered the 2015 presidential report. TABS
has certainly been busy over these past few years, and we can’t wait
to continue the work of changing what it means to be a blind student.
At the end of our business meeting, we held our elections. This has
been a time of transition for TABS. Gabe is now successfully employed
and has stepped down from the presidency. We would like to thank him
for his six years on the TABS board, of which three of those years he
was president.
The election results are as followed:
President: Bre Brown
First vice President: Daniel Martinez
Second Vice President: Kayleigh Joiner
Secretary: Harley fetterman
Treasurer: Jonathan Franks
Board member I: Sal villa
Board member II: Tony McKinney
We are looking forward to another great year in TABS!

Virginia:
During Halloween weekend, the Virginia affiliate held its annual state
convention. This convention was a great success for student division,
especially the fundraisers. We had 2 fundraisers: a bake sale and
jailbreak. Both were successful. We raised over $400 with the two
fundraisers. The affiliate absolutely loved the jailbreak fundraiser,
and were very enthusiastic about handcuffing leaders in the
federation.  In addition to successful fundraisers, the student
division helped facilitate a youth track, which consisted of a
mobility lesson on the Metro, breaking boards, and philosophy
discussions. On Saturday afternoon, VABS held its annual business
meeting and conducted elections. Sarah Patnaude, president of VABS for
the past two years, did not seek re-election. With that, our new
president is Kim Valko, who previously held the position of vice
president. Kierra Davis is our vice president; Jen Shields as our
secretary/treasurer; Reed Haney as board member 1; and Robert Parsons
as board member 2. VABS is looking forward to another exciting year!

Washington:
Washington State officially created a student division on October 31st
2015 during the Washington State Convention of the National Federation
of the Bind. We are very excited to get started planning events, and
are looking forward to building the organization. This new division
has the following officers; President: Hannah Werbel, Vic President:
Lark Braun, Secretary:  Tracie Tonasket, and Treasurer: Tasha Budnik.
We are also pleased to announce that Tracie Tonasket and Abby Griffith
were this year's state scholarship winners. The new student division
in Washington State is here and is ready to begin recruiting new
members and to begin changing lives.

Wisconsin:
Greetings from the state of Wisconsin! We are currently working on
planning two fundraisers for Washington Seminar which consist of
having a bake sale at Lighthouse Church in Madison, WI in the month of
December and a bowl-a-thon at Village Lanes in city of Monona, WI in
early January. We are also planning on teaming up with the Wisconsin
Parents of Blind Children division to go on a sleigh ride at Redridge
ranch in Mauston, WI as a student activity sometime in February.

November NABS Board Meeting Minutes
National Association of Blind Students

Board Meeting Minutes
November 15, 2015

Meeting called to order at 9:06 p.m.

Members Present:

Sean Whalen (President)
Candice Chapman (1st Vice President)
Bre Brown (2nd Vice President)
Kathryn Webster (Secretary/Treasurer)
James Garret Mooney (Board Member 2)
Michael Ausbun (Board Member 4)

Treasurer’s Report:
Checking account: 5217.78
Savings account: 1230.57
Awaiting Karen’s check from January’s auction.

Committee Reports

    Communications: Bre
Blog is up for November.
Alex Anderson will be writing a reflection on the student Legislative
Leadership Workshop.
Hindley will be sending out a call for state updates early this week.

    Fundraising: Kathryn
Share the gofundme page all over social media! www.gofundme.com/blindstudents
We have raised over $2,000; and we are nearing the last week to meet our goal.
Chipotle fundraiser in California will take place in early January
with the help of Angela Fowler.
Applebee’s fundraiser in Ruston, LA will take place in mid-January
with the help of Syed and David of LCB.
Funding application to assist students in attending Washington Seminar
is out. Applications are due Sunday, November 22.
Please let your states know.

    Legislative: Sean
Really successful Legislative Leadership Workshop held in Connecticut
on November 7.
Follow-up materials and notes will be sent out to all participants
early this week.
Legislative Committee actively participated in Twitter Thursday by
pushing the Marrakesh Treaty.
We are still collecting letters for equal access to education. Please
encourage your states to write!

    Membership: Candice and Garret
There was a successful membership call to introduce the new NABS Board.
The December Membership call will take place during the first two
weeks of December. Guest speakers include Erich Guillory of LCB and
John Miller, President of the National Science and Engineering
Division.
Database project is starting so we can increase our mass membership
list. Please collect membership directories from your states.

    Website: Kathryn
Please send Kathryn student president updates as soon as you are aware of them!
Bre and Kathryn are working on creating a scholarship page within our homepage.

State Updates

Candice, Bre, and Kathryn will briefly update the Board on their states.
The last three weeks have been full of student division transitions.

Candice:
Oregon: convention two weeks ago; hoping to have a student division
revitalized.
Missouri: will reach out to affiliate president
Minnesota: New president; recruitment event coming soon
Mississippi: some recruitment projects in the works
Florida: planning for their Convention in January

Bre:
Texas: great Convention this past weekend; Bre is president
West Virginia: searching for student to write an equal access to
education testimony
Louisiana: student seminar a few weeks ago with Bre in attendance;
30-35 participants
New Jersey: new president (Vee Gaspa)
New York: student gathering and lunch at convention; NABS Rep was Bre;
state-wide board instead of all in NYC
Delaware: new affiliate president; hoping to start a student division shortly.
North Dakota: not much happening there; will try to increase contact

Kathryn:
Connecticut: new student president (Brian Martin ;) Kathryn was at
Convention weekend of November 6
North Carolina: new student president (Bobbi Pompey ;) Kathryn was at
convention late September, as was Sean Whalen as NABS Rep; young,
vibrant, new board!
Massachusetts: Derek Manners is now Legislative Director (will help
collect letters ;) Convention last week of February; may invite NABS
Rep; students met with DORS counselor to discuss current policies and
potential additions; implementing a self-advocacy tool kit
Virginia: new president (Kimberly Valko;) Kathryn was in attendance;
great fundraisers; planning to have a summer Blow-Out event
DC: no student division yet; Convention was weekend of October 15
Kentucky: gathering students for Washington Seminar
Tennessee: working to get lots of letters!
South Dakota: need to pinpoint a future student leader

New Business:

Washington Seminar planning:
Sean will talk to President Riccobono about when we should hold our
annual auction.
Fundraising committee will brainstorm ideas for events/fundraisers for
Wash Sem and bring final thoughts to the board for a vote.
Sean will appoint a committee to plan the logistics of our Winter
Seminar; let Sean know if interested in helping. Kathryn, Hindley,
Candice, Bre, and Michael expressed interest.
Bringing back the student president luncheon on Monday, January 25
after the Winter Seminar.
Students are encouraged to attend the Legislative Training at 1pm on
Monday, January 25. Those receiving funding from NABS are required to
attend.

Meeting adjourned at 10:18 p.m.

As always, please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions,
concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to
know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in
December.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.


-- 
Hindley Williams
hbwilliams16 at gmail.com
(443) 823-0867
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 04:11:24 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 23:11:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] RSS reader
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Sent from my iPhone hi guys ,
Can anybody suggest an rss reader for ios besides Lire?
Jewel


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From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:25:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] inaccessibility in the class may end up costing me
 apassing grade!
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The ADA is a failed law for the blind...


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> On Nov 23, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Abby Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I was able to go to the disability services, and they said that they are behind me 100%. (I guess it helps when the director, Tom Webb, helped write the ADA before coming to the university... :) just a fun fact!)
> My prof's supervisor is meeting with my prof tomorrow, and both of them will email me about the outcome. The person under the director for ODS said the thing that will probably happen is I will receive an Incomplete for the class. Because if the prof fails me, ODS will veto the decision and make him give me an I. that will mean that I will be working my butt off over winter break so I can take my composition class next semester!
> Anyway, I will be sending you guys updates as I get them!
> Thank you all for your help!
> 
> Abby
> 
>> On 11/23/2015 7:26 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>> Anna,
>> but she already advocated to the professor. He agreed to do it but did not follow through.
>> It seems like the supervisor is the next best step. Yes there are people in dss, but they coordinate accomodations. It’s a professor's responsibility to follow through with her documented accomodations.
>> 
>> Going through the ADA coordinator who has no clue of the situation sounds like a bad idea; too many people involved then.
>> 
>> Anyway, that's my take on things.
>> Ashley
>> 
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 28 00:19:17 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 16:19:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bhzAkLws5sax2CbmNNCrYHz1h_TBypqxUqncXvLpWpF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhzAkLws5sax2CbmNNCrYHz1h_TBypqxUqncXvLpWpF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WUsyUrG4s-yJwHgf1nqhZsoQHyzWSCjN_gDXOO0mzSFAQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think I might go and get an RCA tablet.

On 11/13/15, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla.
> Apple has some awesome products, that have accessibility already built in.
>
> On 11/13/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>
>> Kayla
>>
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>
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> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 17:27:25 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 12:27:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <2B3512BC-C67D-4535-9ABD-4D5E09AD4C0D@gmail.com>

Hi NABS!

I'm wondering if anyone is looking for a roommate for Washington Seminar this coming Januaty? I am planning on being there Sunday-Thursday. Even for a few of those days would be great. Please reach out to me if you're interested in being roomies! :)

Thanks,

Meaghan




From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 29 22:21:30 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 17:21:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WUsyUrG4s-yJwHgf1nqhZsoQHyzWSCjN_gDXOO0mzSFAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhzAkLws5sax2CbmNNCrYHz1h_TBypqxUqncXvLpWpF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WUsyUrG4s-yJwHgf1nqhZsoQHyzWSCjN_gDXOO0mzSFAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbsOrhC5C+dwM_f-s=G7twNfxGdHEzoKCOm85j-W_K=EA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a Google Nexus 7 tablet running the android OS.  It works
pretty well and has accessibility built right in via talk back, which
is like voiceover for the apple products.  If you go with any android
tablet I'd recommend looking up the help files for it online.  So many
people forget to do this and have a much harder time setting up the
tablet because they don't know the command to start up talkback on the
first screen.  It's pretty much accessible out of the box as well.
Hope this helps, and happy shopping.

On 11/27/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think I might go and get an RCA tablet.
>
> On 11/13/15, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kayla.
>> Apple has some awesome products, that have accessibility already built
>> in.
>>
>> On 11/13/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Kayla
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
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President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From rosz1878 at fredonia.edu  Mon Nov 30 02:34:09 2015
From: rosz1878 at fredonia.edu (Lisa E Roszyk)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:34:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate for Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <2B3512BC-C67D-4535-9ABD-4D5E09AD4C0D@gmail.com>
References: <2B3512BC-C67D-4535-9ABD-4D5E09AD4C0D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPnd0v=MThimXiiH7OVSb22onSfXRvOQBmG2LhFww8o+e-5Crw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Meaghan

I was also planning on going to that. I've never been so I'm not sure where
to register for it but if you would like to share a room and make the
expenses much easier feel free to email me back. Although I have to
forewarn that I have a guide dog so if you are allergic I completely
understand.

Lisa R and Marshmellow

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi NABS!
>
> I'm wondering if anyone is looking for a roommate for Washington Seminar
> this coming Januaty? I am planning on being there Sunday-Thursday. Even for
> a few of those days would be great. Please reach out to me if you're
> interested in being roomies! :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Meaghan
>
>
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 03:01:03 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 22:01:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate for Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <CAPnd0v=MThimXiiH7OVSb22onSfXRvOQBmG2LhFww8o+e-5Crw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2B3512BC-C67D-4535-9ABD-4D5E09AD4C0D@gmail.com>
	<CAPnd0v=MThimXiiH7OVSb22onSfXRvOQBmG2LhFww8o+e-5Crw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <025401d12b1b$5a0392b0$0e0ab810$@gmail.com>

Lisa:

Unlike national convention, Washington Seminar does not have its own
registration process. You need only reserve a room at the hotel and make any
transportation arrangements you might need. There is no cost to attend any
of the sessions. Hope this helps.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lisa E Roszyk
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:34 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Lisa E Roszyk
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Roommate for Washington Seminar

Hi Meaghan

I was also planning on going to that. I've never been so I'm not sure where
to register for it but if you would like to share a room and make the
expenses much easier feel free to email me back. Although I have to forewarn
that I have a guide dog so if you are allergic I completely understand.

Lisa R and Marshmellow

On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi NABS!
>
> I'm wondering if anyone is looking for a roommate for Washington 
> Seminar this coming Januaty? I am planning on being there 
> Sunday-Thursday. Even for a few of those days would be great. Please 
> reach out to me if you're interested in being roomies! :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Meaghan
>
>
>
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 04:19:09 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 20:19:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbsOrhC5C+dwM_f-s=G7twNfxGdHEzoKCOm85j-W_K=EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhzAkLws5sax2CbmNNCrYHz1h_TBypqxUqncXvLpWpF9Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WUsyUrG4s-yJwHgf1nqhZsoQHyzWSCjN_gDXOO0mzSFAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbsOrhC5C+dwM_f-s=G7twNfxGdHEzoKCOm85j-W_K=EA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WWs1p2LSqSAxpWzScRWJxe15mKh0aTDGuinX36EQsuCpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, guys. I decided on the iPad Mini for now. I'm hoping it'll
upgrade me beyond IOS 6, which is the only upgrade my iPod gave me.

On 11/29/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a Google Nexus 7 tablet running the android OS.  It works
> pretty well and has accessibility built right in via talk back, which
> is like voiceover for the apple products.  If you go with any android
> tablet I'd recommend looking up the help files for it online.  So many
> people forget to do this and have a much harder time setting up the
> tablet because they don't know the command to start up talkback on the
> first screen.  It's pretty much accessible out of the box as well.
> Hope this helps, and happy shopping.
>
> On 11/27/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think I might go and get an RCA tablet.
>>
>> On 11/13/15, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kayla.
>>> Apple has some awesome products, that have accessibility already built
>>> in.
>>>
>>> On 11/13/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
>>>> totally blind? Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Kayla
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Nov 30 05:34:00 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 21:34:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
References: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.233.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, everyone,

         Okay. pre-conceive what you must, remembering that, you will 
know when it's time to feel the face of an intimate. And that's what 
we're talkin' about, intimates alone where it won't be "creepy."
"10 AM 9/8/2014, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l wrote:

>Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
>Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
>It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any 
>blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion 
>invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it 
>would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a 
>stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
>
>Chris Nusbaum
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>Hi guys,
>
>So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
>around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what 
>people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give 
>someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a 
>myth, or reality and true?
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 15:57:13 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 10:57:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <565be013.424a370a.7ff28.ffff98ccSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
	<565be013.424a370a.7ff28.ffff98ccSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ+nDR2_T6iOPj2mfHvC2Xq625fu6K6ev64EUMRu=79=Q@mail.gmail.com>

This is quite the extensive thread.  Interesting to see what everyone
thinks about this.

A lot of good points have already been said.  I do have some usable
vision, but I've been offered the opportunity to feel people's faces.
I have never really wanted to do this when the opportunity arose, nor
do I even care about the little information I would get from it.  I
think it's just another case of sighted people placing so much
emphasis on the visual.  The face is the first thing they see in a
person, so they can't imagine not having access to it.

I did read something a few months back about the damage this myth has
done to the blind community.  The face feeling issue has come up so
much and is so taboo that a lot of blind people avoid touching other
people's faces, even when it is okay and appropriate to do so, like
when holding a baby, being affectionate with a significant other, or
when family tries to show the blind person something like a particular
facial expression.  I've had family show me facial expressions when
explaining with words didn't work, so that I could act on stage and
know how to contort my face to match the tones I knew to put in my
voice.  I otherwise wouldn't have had access to that information.

One thing I had to confront a few years ago, though I thankfully don't
anymore, was the issue of feeling a teacher's face in order to learn
musical concepts.  Playing a woodwind instrument can be a bit awkward
because it's very different from learning piano and feeling a
teacher's hands, or playing a stringed instrument and having the
teacher manipulate your own body to show you how it feels.  When
you're talking about very small movements around the mouth,
unfortunately feeling the face is somewhat necessary.  Thankfully both
of the teachers I've had were okay with this and I was the one who had
the bigger issue with it, but I think that without doing it neither of
them would have been as successful at teaching these skills to me and
correcting issues that arose from my missing out on all those
explanations of how to place the instrument in the mouth through my
school band classes in the first place.  It's awkward, yes, but in
some cases it is helpful.  However, I would still not advocate in
favor of doing it to everyone and think it's only something to be used
in appropriate situations.  It was cool to hear my first teacher tell
me one day when I was wigged out at the idea of touching her face that
she would do the same for sighted students if they would benefit more
from feeling it tactily than seeing it visually.  I think as long as
there is a purpose to it, either affection to a personal loved one or
for pedigogical reasons it is okay.

However, I was really wigged out at my state convention when a friend
told me that a woman was going around asking if she could feel
people's faces.  That's not okay.

On 11/30/15, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Evening, everyone,
>
>          Okay. pre-conceive what you must, remembering that, you will
> know when it's time to feel the face of an intimate. And that's what
> we're talkin' about, intimates alone where it won't be "creepy."
> "10 AM 9/8/2014, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l wrote:
>
>>Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>>To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>>Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>>It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any
>>blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion
>>invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it
>>would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a
>>stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
>>
>>Chris Nusbaum
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>Hi guys,
>>
>>So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got
>>around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what
>>people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give
>>someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a
>>myth, or reality and true?
>>
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 17:01:54 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 12:01:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex 32 BT for Sale
Message-ID: <21FC8699-9E05-4A77-BA96-07F7AAC2C89C@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm selling a braille note apex BT 32 note taker with a 32 cell braille display. The unit is in excellent condition and works very well. Comes with the original AC adapter. I'm asking $2,000 price is negotiable. I'd prefer paypal at blindgeek1989 at gmail.com. Get this unit now before it goes away. Only one left. 

Sent from my iPad

From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Mon Nov 30 21:57:16 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:57:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
Message-ID: <CAHox4DL2DTxChhBq0hpCC=Lxjw4wuxcx4_Fft87e8hspyugx0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am wondering if/how you can use Google calendar.  I am starting some
work and will need to use it to keep my schedule.  I have looked up
some of the accessibility info...  But I want to know how usable it is
with Jaws.  Would it be better to cync the calendar with my iPhone?
Advice, experiences, criticisms, tips...  Throw them at me.  Thanks,
and happy Monday.



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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Nov 30 23:12:25 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:12:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
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I can confirm that it will. It will go up to IOS nine and later versions of nine.
Joseph Hudson
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On Nov 29, 2015, at 10:19 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Thanks, guys. I decided on the iPad Mini for now. I'm hoping it'll
upgrade me beyond IOS 6, which is the only upgrade my iPod gave me.

On 11/29/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Hi,

I have a Google Nexus 7 tablet running the android OS.  It works
pretty well and has accessibility built right in via talk back, which
is like voiceover for the apple products.  If you go with any android
tablet I'd recommend looking up the help files for it online.  So many
people forget to do this and have a much harder time setting up the
tablet because they don't know the command to start up talkback on the
first screen.  It's pretty much accessible out of the box as well.
Hope this helps, and happy shopping.

On 11/27/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
I think I might go and get an RCA tablet.

On 11/13/15, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Hi Kayla.
Apple has some awesome products, that have accessibility already built
in.

On 11/13/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
totally blind? Thanks.

Kayla

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