From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 01:31:23 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:31:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about a textbook for college!
In-Reply-To: <006801d0fbd2$f9c4e9c0$ed4ebd40$@gmail.com>
References: <CAEpB4bibvbkj4-9dGq3DtrGoT-hULsRLxcJH+ZvfE8jsg78KKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<006801d0fbd2$f9c4e9c0$ed4ebd40$@gmail.com>
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My friend looked there, and they don't have it.
Is there a way that someone could scan it and convert it to BRF?
Thanks

On 9/30/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Try book share.
> Justin.
>
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> via
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> Subject: [nabs-l] Question about a textbook for college!
>
> Hi all.
> If anyone knows where we can find Interpersonal Communication, Everyday
> Encounters 7th edition in BRF, please write me off list.
> I have a friend who needs it for one of her classes.
> Thanks
>
> --
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them
> repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the
> remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts,
> 2:38.)
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Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 01:48:33 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 21:48:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about a textbook for college!
Message-ID: <560c90f9.8549810a.7c20d.ffffaee7@mx.google.com>

Bookshare will do that.  Fill out a request form.  They've gotten 
all my books in about two months.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 30 Sep 2015 20:31:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question about a textbook for college!

My friend looked there, and they don't have it.
Is there a way that someone could scan it and convert it to BRF?
Thanks

On 9/30/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Try book share.
 Justin.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
josh lester
 via
 nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 6:53 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: josh lester
 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about a textbook for college!

 Hi all.
 If anyone knows where we can find Interpersonal Communication, 
Everyday
 Encounters 7th edition in BRF, please write me off list.
 I have a friend who needs it for one of her classes.
 Thanks

 --
 Joshua Lester
 Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said 
unto them
 repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus 
Christ for the
 remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy 
Ghost," (Acts,
 2:38.)

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in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:29:40 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:29:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Using database manager on braillenote apex with a csv file
Message-ID: <4AAA507F-560A-4287-BB3D-975A0E282A04@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Has anyone imported a csv file into the braillenote apex and then opened it to work with? I am having trouble with this.
Thanks,

Amanda

From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 15:33:04 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 08:33:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>

You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
know what to do.


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 16:14:19 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 11:14:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV
Message-ID: <8D30BED0-5A40-4230-A646-1606E52F50F4@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on where or which list would be most appropriate for me to post information regarding a close circuit television that I would like to sell? I am wanting to sell this because my vision no longer allows me to use the piece of equipment. It is a very nice and gently used piece of technology and I would like to be able to sell it to someone for an affordable price who could get more use out of it and I am able to. I purchased this with my own money. Thanks for any suggestions.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 20:07:58 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 16:07:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help finding a book
Message-ID: <560d92d3.8b38810a.7648a.5c2e@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I need help finding a book 
that I really want to read.  It's called "It's Not Over- How To 
Keep Moving Forward When You Feel Like You're Losing The Fight" 
by Ricardo Sanchez who is a Christian singer and songwriter.  If 
any of you know where I can find it please let me know.


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 00:02:26 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>

Kayla!
Please fill out a rest form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
accessible for you.
Thanks

On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
> MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
> another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
> know what to do.
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 01:16:33 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:16:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>

 I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because that process
takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability services office
so that they can create alternative format files from the online book? This
should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. If you have
exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or scribe would
do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible files
which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.

On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Kayla!
> Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
> accessible for you.
> Thanks
>
> On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
> > You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
> > MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
> > another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
> > know what to do.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
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> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> > nabs-l:
> >
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> >
>
>
> --
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>
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-- 
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 02:02:55 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>

I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no one
can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been trying
to figure this out since yesterday.

On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because that process
> takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability services office
> so that they can create alternative format files from the online book? This
> should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. If you have
> exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or scribe would
> do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible files
> which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Kayla!
>> Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>> accessible for you.
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> > You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
>> > MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
>> > another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
>> > know what to do.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nabs-l:
>> >
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
> 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> _______________________________________________
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Oct  2 02:15:01 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 02:15:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV
In-Reply-To: <8D30BED0-5A40-4230-A646-1606E52F50F4@gmail.com>
References: <8D30BED0-5A40-4230-A646-1606E52F50F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB0964B29CEBE70DC13955EEB3CE4B0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Gloria, if you send me affirmation to my private email address which you will be able to find my signature, I will post it to a technology list for you.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on where or which list would be most appropriate for me to post information regarding a close circuit television that I would like to sell? I am wanting to sell this because my vision no longer allows me to use the piece of equipment. It is a very nice and gently used piece of technology and I would like to be able to sell it to someone for an affordable price who could get more use out of it and I am able to. I purchased this with my own money. Thanks for any suggestions.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone
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From louvins at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 02:31:22 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:31:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vcXOLuHviQFmz2xAZkNBk1khCOoWpn6JYSb54TtcuEgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kayla.  Like others have said, I'd recommend you get someone to
read the book to you, and talk to your professors about alternative
ways of you completing your assignments.  Does your college have a
tutoring center?  If so, schedule appointments on a permanent basis to
have someone help you with these assignments.  I had math classes that
use mathlabs which was owned by pearson, and wasn't accessible with
jaws at all.  I went to the tutoring center and had appointments
scheduled daily to have someone read and help me with my math
homework.  It worked out very well.

On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no one
> can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been trying
> to figure this out since yesterday.
>
> On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>  I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because that
>> process
>> takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability services
>> office
>> so that they can create alternative format files from the online book?
>> This
>> should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. If you
>> have
>> exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or scribe
>> would
>> do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible files
>> which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>>
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Kayla!
>>> Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>>> accessible for you.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>> > You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
>>> > MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
>>> > another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
>>> > know what to do.
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > nabs-l mailing list
>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> > nabs-l:
>>> >
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>> 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 03:09:41 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 23:09:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
Message-ID: <560df583.02ce0d0a.a18f8.ffffb535@mx.google.com>

Kayla, copyright doesn't apply to making it accessible to a blind 
person as long as you have actually purchased the book and access 
to the lab.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible

I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no 
one
can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been 
trying
to figure this out since yesterday.

On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
  I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because 
that process
 takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability 
services office
 so that they can create alternative format files from the online 
book? This
 should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. 
If you have
 exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or 
scribe would
 do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible 
files
 which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.

 On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Kayla!
 Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
 accessible for you.
 Thanks

 On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
<javascript:;
 wrote:
 You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible 
the
 MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to 
find
 another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support 
didn't
 know what to do.

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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 03:16:06 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:16:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <560df583.02ce0d0a.a18f8.ffffb535@mx.google.com>
References: <560df583.02ce0d0a.a18f8.ffffb535@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WUC6J8Q5TA76uGoFfmuMDG0zXr=MksJFVbdKvJeUYAJGQ@mail.gmail.com>

But I have purchased the code, the book is mine. They gave it to me
and I've enrolled, but I just can't get the book to read. It keeps
saying embedded object unavaillable.

On 10/1/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kayla, copyright doesn't apply to making it accessible to a blind
> person as long as you have actually purchased the book and access
> to the lab.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:55 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
>
> I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no
> one
> can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been
> trying
> to figure this out since yesterday.
>
> On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>   I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because
> that process
>  takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability
> services office
>  so that they can create alternative format files from the online
> book? This
>  should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them.
> If you have
>  exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or
> scribe would
>  do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible
> files
>  which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>
>  On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  wrote:
>
>  Kayla!
>  Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>  accessible for you.
>  Thanks
>
>  On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;
>  wrote:
>  You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible
> the
>  MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to
> find
>  another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support
> didn't
>  know what to do.
>
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>
>
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>  Joshua Lester
>  Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>  "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of
> you in
>  the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>  receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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>
>
>  --
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>  President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>  Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division
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>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 03:24:17 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 23:24:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
Message-ID: <560df8ec.46c30d0a.7e2ef.ffffb3f4@mx.google.com>

Right, that's an accessability issue.  My point is that copyright 
doesn't prevent your DSS office from working with you to make it 
accessable.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:16:06 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible

But I have purchased the code, the book is mine. They gave it to 
me
and I've enrolled, but I just can't get the book to read. It 
keeps
saying embedded object unavaillable.

On 10/1/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Kayla, copyright doesn't apply to making it accessible to a 
blind
 person as long as you have actually purchased the book and 
access
 to the lab.

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:55 -0700
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible

 I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no
 one
 can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been
 trying
 to figure this out since yesterday.

 On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
   I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because
 that process
  takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability
 services office
  so that they can create alternative format files from the 
online
 book? This
  should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them.
 If you have
  exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or
 scribe would
  do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into 
accessible
 files
  which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.

  On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
  wrote:

  Kayla!
  Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
  accessible for you.
  Thanks

  On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 <javascript:;
  wrote:
  You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible
 the
  MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to
 find
  another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support
 didn't
  know what to do.

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  Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
  "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of
 you in
  the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
  receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)

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  President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
  Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
 Division
  2015-2016

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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 03:28:11 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:28:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <560df8ec.46c30d0a.7e2ef.ffffb3f4@mx.google.com>
References: <560df8ec.46c30d0a.7e2ef.ffffb3f4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WWBXE98j2HVPyypNkjVzG3E9oQXixcgiSNYyAsMBzHrww@mail.gmail.com>

I'll try calling tomorrow. If not, I will Google the topics that we
discuss in class.

On 10/1/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Right, that's an accessability issue.  My point is that copyright
> doesn't prevent your DSS office from working with you to make it
> accessable.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 20:16:06 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
>
> But I have purchased the code, the book is mine. They gave it to
> me
> and I've enrolled, but I just can't get the book to read. It
> keeps
> saying embedded object unavaillable.
>
> On 10/1/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Kayla, copyright doesn't apply to making it accessible to a
> blind
>  person as long as you have actually purchased the book and
> access
>  to the lab.
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  Date sent: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 19:02:55 -0700
>  Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
>
>  I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no
>  one
>  can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been
>  trying
>  to figure this out since yesterday.
>
>  On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>    I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because
>  that process
>   takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability
>  services office
>   so that they can create alternative format files from the
> online
>  book? This
>   should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them.
>  If you have
>   exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or
>  scribe would
>   do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into
> accessible
>  files
>   which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>
>   On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   wrote:
>
>   Kayla!
>   Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>   accessible for you.
>   Thanks
>
>   On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  <javascript:;
>   wrote:
>   You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible
>  the
>   MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to
>  find
>   another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support
>  didn't
>   know what to do.
>
>   _______________________________________________
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>
>
>   --
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>   "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of
>  you in
>   the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>   receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>
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>
>
>   --
>   Kaiti Shelton
>   University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>   President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>   Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>  Division
>   2015-2016
>
>   "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds
> you
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 12:13:29 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 07:13:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] CCTV
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB0964B29CEBE70DC13955EEB3CE4B0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <8D30BED0-5A40-4230-A646-1606E52F50F4@gmail.com>
	<BN3PR1201MB0964B29CEBE70DC13955EEB3CE4B0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A8957852-7E06-48AE-8B1A-E40CA8497DBB@gmail.com>

Hello,
Thank you so much for doing this. What information do you want me to include about the piece of technology?
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gloria, if you send me affirmation to my private email address which you will be able to find my signature, I will post it to a technology list for you.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> On Oct 1, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on where or which list would be most appropriate for me to post information regarding a close circuit television that I would like to sell? I am wanting to sell this because my vision no longer allows me to use the piece of equipment. It is a very nice and gently used piece of technology and I would like to be able to sell it to someone for an affordable price who could get more use out of it and I am able to. I purchased this with my own money. Thanks for any suggestions.
> Gloria
> 
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 20:23:03 2015
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:23:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Here's an Awesome Opportunity: Learn to be a Legislative
	Guru
Message-ID: <015201d0fd50$23f7fc90$6be7f5b0$@gmail.com>

Good Friday afternoon NABS:

 

On November 7 in New London Connecticut, NABS and the NFB of Connecticut are
going to be teaming up to put on an interactive and empowering workshop to
arm legislative advocates with the practical knowledge and skills required
to influence lives by changing laws. I will be running this workshop, and am
writing to personally invite anybody interested to attend. NABS leaders will
be providing student to student training and information on how to get laws
from ideas and good intentions to the President's desk for a signature. The
skills and strategies we cover will be relevant for use when in Washington
DC, or back at home. Techniques will also be applicable to state level
legislative efforts, though this workshop will be focused on moving bills
through Congress.

 

I spent 5 years working on Capitol Hill as an intern and lobbyist. NABS
leaders will be on hand with more than 15 trips to Washington Seminar and
other legislative experience under our belts. This workshop will be of
substance, and it will also be fun. 

 

My experiences with legislative advocacy through the NFB both built my
confidence and put me on a career path in law and policy. Even if you don't
make a career of it, the confidence of knowing that you can sit down with a
United States Senator and teach her something, and the satisfaction of
seeing legislative initiatives to which you have contributed become
meaningful laws that help real people make the investment well worth it. The
NFB of Connecticut has generously offered to cover the cost of registration,
and meals the day of the workshop (including the CT state convention
banquet), for the first 20 registrants. There are still slots available. You
can register here:

 <http://goo.gl/forms/HLd0DC6RWF> http://goo.gl/forms/HLd0DC6RWF

 

If you do not live in the New England area, I understand that travel can be
expensive. It may be possible that local NFB chapters or affiliates may
consider helping with travel. Other entities like Lions Clubs may also
consider supporting in some capacity. But if you are at all interested, I
urge people to attend this workshop. I am very excited to have the
opportunity to work with a great team to put together a legitimately
enjoyable and effective program. I think that is what we have on our hands
here! So, please come check it out.

 

I have attached the flyer for the event, and also pasted it below.

 

Thanks,

 

Sean

 

Sean Whalen

President, National Association of Blind Students

 

2015 Legislative Leadership Workshop

Changing Lives through Laws

 

Are you passionate about shaping the future for blind students through
legislative initiatives? Are you interested in advocacy, but don't know how
to get started?

If so, join the National Association of Blind Students and the National
Federation of the Blind of Connecticut for an empowering and interactive
legislative workshop!

 

WHO: Any students who have an interest in legislative action.  Both experts
and novices are welcome and will benefit from this exciting workshop.

 

WHAT: An afternoon of interactive breakouts, moderated discussions and
informative presentations that will provide you with the skills and know-how
that will prepare you to improve accessibility of technology and educational
opportunities for the blind by passing laws in Congress.

 

WHEN: Saturday, November 7, 2015 from 1:00-5:00 p.m.

 

WHERE: The Holiday Inn,

35 Governor Winthrop Blvd.

New London, CT 06320

 

Interested? Act now! 

Space is limited, and the NFB of CT has graciously volunteered to cover the
cost of registration, lunch and banquet dinner on the day of the event for
the first 20 registrants.  

Hurry up and 

 <http://goo.gl/forms/HLd0DC6RWF> http://goo.gl/forms/HLd0DC6RWF

register today

Don't miss out!!

 

Have questions? Get answers! 

Email Sean Whalen at  <mailto:nabs.president at gmail.com>
nabs.president at gmail.com or call 262 309-1034.

 

We hope to see you in Connecticut in November. Let's build up legislative
leaders and build a brighter future for blind students across America!

 

 

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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 21:40:50 2015
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:40:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of GoToMeeting Video Conferencing
Message-ID: <CACNPAB6y1UcV2_GdU67_+sysQN=x-MJOAvEyh6if9E4+WyiyTw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS, I was just wondering if anyone has experience using the video
conferencing site or app GoToMeeting with JAWS or voiceover. I would
greatly appreciate any tips/advice as I need to access this site to
participate in an upcoming conference.
Thanks, Kayla


-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  3 20:42:16 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 13:42:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJD4RFXcrK7bE0tKbdgL04i3ndBh2+Fpugs7PHVT3xZZww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJD4RFXcrK7bE0tKbdgL04i3ndBh2+Fpugs7PHVT3xZZww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA_ufX9bzwqfd_o+mCd9-zDJxB4s4Y2nQQE0iNqTFXamQ@mail.gmail.com>

NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not
allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list
purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs
and announcements about blindness-related research projects are
permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close
down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
D.	If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list
moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than
long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate
for the list.
If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this
kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply
and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the
list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not
appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could
result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list
removal.


From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct  4 00:31:22 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 00:31:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] ios 9 and voiceover
Message-ID: <1852617407.65557.1443918682894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>


Hello all,       I recently updated to the new ios 9, but I've found that when I read a page using voiceover, it jumps back to the beginning of the page. This does not allow me to switch in and out of voiceover to select what I want to read. Has everyone experienced this or is there a way to fix it? Best,Kaley

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 01:47:47 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 21:47:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ios 9 and voiceover
In-Reply-To: <1852617407.65557.1443918682894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1852617407.65557.1443918682894.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZtA1bo5NPjxbiMBfz2-dsdFb9dev4xgsD=2PE=KYvNfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Can you perhaps give more information?  E.G, the apps that this
happens in or the specific process you're using to select text?  It is
possible to select text without turning voiceover off using the edit
option in the roter. Additionally, I know personally I am having a
hard time pinpointing your issue using my own IPhone as a model
because I don't know the effected apps for you, and others may have
the same problem.

I will say that there are some little bugs in IOS 9 with voiceover
that are not effecting everyone. I had one that was present in the
beta versions according to friends of mine who are in the public beta
program, but it seems to have been resolved with IOS 9.02.  If you're
still running IOS 9.0 or 9.01 try seeing if your phone can get the new
update.

On 10/3/15, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all,       I recently updated to the new ios 9, but I've found that
> when I read a page using voiceover, it jumps back to the beginning of the
> page. This does not allow me to switch in and out of voiceover to select
> what I want to read. Has everyone experienced this or is there a way to fix
> it? Best,Kaley
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  4 02:09:32 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 22:09:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS207810417FC067418F0FA0DDC490@phx.gbl>

What happens if you try to open the files with a OCR software like OpenBook, etc?


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no one
> can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been trying
> to figure this out since yesterday.
> 
>> On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because that process
>> takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability services office
>> so that they can create alternative format files from the online book? This
>> should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. If you have
>> exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or scribe would
>> do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible files
>> which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>> 
>> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Kayla!
>>> Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>>> accessible for you.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
>>>> MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
>>>> another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
>>>> know what to do.
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> 
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>> 2015-2016
>> 
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 03:28:58 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2015 22:28:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson is unaccessible
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS207810417FC067418F0FA0DDC490@phx.gbl>
References: <CAP4F+WVgxO1OZN79KZkejWv5wiyLGH+B9Ed5DkjGs2wAPyc1iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhObX7jLg-UUD+dtODX92_Q0WE3pWjT11May58K6ZBgdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZtMeXFhx2LBLBLj83C8eWEdgMkt0TuvK7EORR6Lm3TQQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WWHDYAoCC6yze304Z1ngznN=kFccy1S32OdmKWWgfirNw@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT407-EAS207810417FC067418F0FA0DDC490@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <EDF12CDA-6084-4FC9-974A-DF555F42CAD0@gmail.com>

Only a link, no file.

Sent from my iPod

On Oct 3, 2015, at 9:09 PM, wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com> wrote:

> What happens if you try to open the files with a OCR software like OpenBook, etc?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 1, 2015, at 10:03 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I tried asking and since the publisher has a copyright thing, no one
>> can copy and paste. I don't know what the problem is. I've been trying
>> to figure this out since yesterday.
>> 
>>> On 10/1/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I would recommend using book share as a last resort, because that process
>>> takes time. Can you somehow get access for your disability services office
>>> so that they can create alternative format files from the online book? This
>>> should be a simple as selecting, copying, and pasting for them. If you have
>>> exams or activities to complete on the site hiring a reader or scribe would
>>> do the trick, or they could adapt the activities into accessible files
>>> which you can turn in to your prof to grade manually.
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, October 1, 2015, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Kayla!
>>>> Please fill out a re st form on Bookshare, and they'll make it
>>>> accessible for you.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> On 10/1/15, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> You guys, help! My Intro to Business textbook is unaccessible the
>>>>> MyBizLab. Does anyone know how to somehow get this fixed or to find
>>>>> another alternative? Even the people at Pearson Tech support didn't
>>>>> know what to do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Joshua Lester
>>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> 
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
>>> 2015-2016
>>> 
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com
>> 
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 09:46:46 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 05:46:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help finding a book
In-Reply-To: <560d92d3.8b38810a.7648a.5c2e@mx.google.com>
References: <560d92d3.8b38810a.7648a.5c2e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e7a3gpoB9TTEmxUgMPkMOso1=Wp1rusS=NX7F40o=-zng@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Roanna,

The book is available on both Kindle and paperback from Amazon as far as I
know.

Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Dear Students,
>
> I hope all of you are doing well.  I need help finding a book that I
> really want to read.  It's called "It's Not Over- How To Keep Moving
> Forward When You Feel Like You're Losing The Fight" by Ricardo Sanchez who
> is a Christian singer and songwriter.  If any of you know where I can find
> it please let me know.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>

From tfurban22 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 00:03:22 2015
From: tfurban22 at gmail.com (Tessa Urban)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 20:03:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A new member
In-Reply-To: <560c324f.5720810a.83589.5a96@mx.google.com>
References: <560c324f.5720810a.83589.5a96@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANUOZk6OBv6e0c9d583NF9-samPtH7ZX8edrF7xwQz=ZavE0Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you very much for the nice welcome. If anyone knows anything
about the medical transcriptionist schooling please let me know.
Thank you, Tessa

On 9/30/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Tessa welceme to the Nabs list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I
> am also from the state of Florida.
>
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Oct  5 00:42:56 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2015 20:42:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb of New Jersey
Message-ID: <A55EEC60-3AC3-482C-B8B9-AC0C81A4FDA5@icloud.com>

Hi, all,
the Nfb of New Jersey is holding its convention November 6 through 9 at The Holliday Inn in Manahawkin. We are looking for students from NJ and the surrounding areas to come. We are also looking for students in NJ  to become active members of New Jersey Association  of Blind Students. In adition to reorganizing  our division and electing new board members,  we are planning on having a social time. If you are interested in registering and getting the address, please visit the state affiliate website at nfbnj.org. You can also visit our facebook page at www.facebook.com/newjabstudents. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 03:08:36 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 23:08:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recovering Albums and Songs from iTunes
Message-ID: <74552611-4932-49A8-9E90-C802A736B166@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, is there a way I can recover albums and songs that I synch in of my CDS from iTunes in order to put them on my iPhone 6? I'm just wondering since I had those albums and songs before since last year. But since I subscribe to apple music for the three months free trial, all of the sudden they wre dimn and wen I sign out from the  Apple music,and ten sign in back, all my albms that i synch in were all gone! The only songs that i have are are thsongs that i bought from the  iTunes store. And also the songs that i downloaded form youtube, which I put in a play list on my iPhone are all gone as well! So I don't know how I can recover them again guys?  Or do i have to synch in the albums again? I'm just owndering.  I will really appreciate it a lot if you could help me with this guys! I look forward in hearing from you oon. Thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From llstangl6 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 14:10:07 2015
From: llstangl6 at gmail.com (laura)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:10:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
Message-ID: <001101d0ff77$8ad9e030$a08da090$@gmail.com>

I am interested if others have been able to have screen reading software as
an accommodation the Practix. I am currently registering to taking it and my
dss person form the college is not sure how to request this because it is
not offered as one of the accommodations. So I thought I would put this out
there for advice and suggestions on the Pratix it is a standardize test
offered by ETS.

 

Thanks for your help

Laura  


From somojan94 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 16:54:37 2015
From: somojan94 at gmail.com (Somaya Tarin)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:54:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Medical assisting program
Message-ID: <23DC0887-B664-44F7-9414-8EE4BF556FD1@gmail.com>

Hi fellow students, 
I'm currently a student studding biochemistry. However, i am having some personal issues that are holding me back from staying at the university I'm at. As I am thinking about my transition, I am looking into the medical assisting program. Do any of you know anyone or are any of you in that program? Before I start the process I would like to get to talk to someone who is working on something like this or has finished it. 

Thanks,
Somaya 

Sent from my iPhone

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 18:13:48 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 14:13:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
Message-ID: <5612bdee.d66c810a.8508b.13ed@mx.google.com>

ETS has pretty decent disability support people.  Just call ETS 
and tell them your blind and need to talk about accommodations, 
and they'll connect you.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: laura via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 09:10:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix

I am interested if others have been able to have screen reading 
software as
an accommodation the Practix. I am currently registering to 
taking it and my
dss person form the college is not sure how to request this 
because it is
not offered as one of the accommodations. So I thought I would 
put this out
there for advice and suggestions on the Pratix it is a 
standardize test
offered by ETS.



Thanks for your help

Laura

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From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Oct  5 21:42:00 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 21:42:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} FW: USICD Call for Applicants: Youth in Int'l
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CALL FOR APPLICANTS


 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program

The summer 2016 Youth in International Development and Foreign Affairs internship program is now open for applications until January 12, 2016.

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Theo Jlateh, USICD program intern summer 2014

The United States International Council on Disabilities (USICD) launched its internship program in 2013.  USICD's internship program focuses on youth with disabilities from across the U.S. who intend to pursue careers in international development or foreign affairs.

The summer 2016 internship program will bring a group of talented graduate students, recent graduates, and rising juniors and seniors with disabilities to Washington, DC, for nine weeks.  This will include a one-week training and orientation program followed by an eight-week internship at an international organization in the Washington, DC, area.  USICD will cover the cost of accessible housing during the program, reimburse travel expenses to and from DC, and provide a limited stipend.  It is anticipated that the program will run from May 29 to July 30, 2016. These dates may be subject to change.

[Lisa Guerra, USICD program intern summer 2015, poses in front of a wall with a large logo for International foundation for Electoral Systems]

Lisa Guerra, USICD program intern summer 2015

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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 00:49:23 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 20:49:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
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Hi Laura,
I had to take several Praxis exams to become a teacher. I called and asked for the use of a screen reader as an accommodation for writing portions and they approved it with no problem. Be careful though to make sure they don’t specify a screen reader you don’t use or have access to. I asked for a screen reader but they approved JAWS. At the time I did not have access to a computer with JAWS. I used the computer in the DSS where I took one of my tests but if I had had to take it at another location, I would have needed to provide my own. 

I would give them a call.

Best,
Greg

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:10 AM, laura via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am interested if others have been able to have screen reading software as
> an accommodation the Practix. I am currently registering to taking it and my
> dss person form the college is not sure how to request this because it is
> not offered as one of the accommodations. So I thought I would put this out
> there for advice and suggestions on the Pratix it is a standardize test
> offered by ETS.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help
> 
> Laura  
> 
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From rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu  Tue Oct  6 03:34:16 2015
From: rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu (Sanchas, Robert)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 03:34:16 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
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Hi,

When I took all seven of my Praxis exams in the last three years; they sent me a person to read for me when all I ask for was a screen reader and enlarger. The person reading for me was interesting since I was not expecting it. It really helped with the math sections hearing it from a human voice in stead of a simulated voice. If you need I can give you the number to my DSC and they can most likely explain how to request it to your DSS person... I took it at one of the testing centers not on campus.

Rob.
_____________________________
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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Greg Aikens via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pratix

Hi Laura,
I had to take several Praxis exams to become a teacher. I called and asked for the use of a screen reader as an accommodation for writing portions and they approved it with no problem. Be careful though to make sure they don’t specify a screen reader you don’t use or have access to. I asked for a screen reader but they approved JAWS. At the time I did not have access to a computer with JAWS. I used the computer in the DSS where I took one of my tests but if I had had to take it at another location, I would have needed to provide my own.

I would give them a call.

Best,
Greg

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:10 AM, laura via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I am interested if others have been able to have screen reading software as
> an accommodation the Practix. I am currently registering to taking it and my
> dss person form the college is not sure how to request this because it is
> not offered as one of the accommodations. So I thought I would put this out
> there for advice and suggestions on the Pratix it is a standardize test
> offered by ETS.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Laura
>
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Tue Oct  6 10:45:29 2015
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 06:45:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about using Book share and note taking while
	reading
Message-ID: <F9E657BC-699A-47B0-8069-4E4119C3F189@att.net>

I have questions about book share. First of all is there a way that you can download a book onto the computer and separate the book into chapters? How many of you use Daisy formatted books on the computer? While using Daisy books do you find it easier than using MP3 or other formats? Note taking strategies would you suggest when reading a book in either Daisy format or MP3 format? I also have a braille sense and I use braille as well. Thanks a lot for your assistance.

From josh.harpernfb at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 10:55:34 2015
From: josh.harpernfb at gmail.com (Josh Harper)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 05:55:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
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	<1F5876F6-D94B-43D3-891F-11689A7C25BD@gmail.com>
	<BL2PR02MB4817D34A1B6E01D8ACDBFE8DA370@BL2PR02MB481.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Screen reading software is an accommodation that is on the accommodation
request form. It will take about two weeks once ET S has your accommodation
request for them to send you your accommodation approval letter, once you
have this letter you can call prometric which is the test giving center to
be able to schedule your exam.

Once everything is approved, and you have scheduled your exam with
prometric, The testing site will call you before the test to remind you
about it. When they do be sure to ask if your accommodations are set up. I
have scheduled my exams in the past, and ETS Did not send the exam with the
accommodations. I ended up having to reschedule that whole exam.

If you are taking the Praxis two exams there are certain times that they
are offered.

Hope this helped

Joshua
On Monday, October 5, 2015, Sanchas, Robert via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> When I took all seven of my Praxis exams in the last three years; they
> sent me a person to read for me when all I ask for was a screen reader and
> enlarger. The person reading for me was interesting since I was not
> expecting it. It really helped with the math sections hearing it from a
> human voice in stead of a simulated voice. If you need I can give you the
> number to my DSC and they can most likely explain how to request it to your
> DSS person... I took it at one of the testing centers not on campus.
>
> Rob.
> _____________________________
> Robert A. Sanchas
> Co-Facilitator-Bridging Connections
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] on behalf of Greg
> Aikens via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>]
> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Greg Aikens
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pratix
>
> Hi Laura,
> I had to take several Praxis exams to become a teacher. I called and asked
> for the use of a screen reader as an accommodation for writing portions and
> they approved it with no problem. Be careful though to make sure they don’t
> specify a screen reader you don’t use or have access to. I asked for a
> screen reader but they approved JAWS. At the time I did not have access to
> a computer with JAWS. I used the computer in the DSS where I took one of my
> tests but if I had had to take it at another location, I would have needed
> to provide my own.
>
> I would give them a call.
>
> Best,
> Greg
>
> > On Oct 5, 2015, at 10:10 AM, laura via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > I am interested if others have been able to have screen reading software
> as
> > an accommodation the Practix. I am currently registering to taking it
> and my
> > dss person form the college is not sure how to request this because it is
> > not offered as one of the accommodations. So I thought I would put this
> out
> > there for advice and suggestions on the Pratix it is a standardize test
> > offered by ETS.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your help
> >
> > Laura
> >
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 11:14:25 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 06:14:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about using Book share and note taking while
	reading
In-Reply-To: <F9E657BC-699A-47B0-8069-4E4119C3F189@att.net>
References: <F9E657BC-699A-47B0-8069-4E4119C3F189@att.net>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9v=5Sh2ZeDuAjqDj=k5AFtrV8NXdYEHHbj8xok7owF4Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Carlos.  If you use jaws, there is a program on your computer from
freedom scientific called FS reader 2.0.  This little program reads
bookshare books on the computer extremely well.  You can easily open a
bookshare daisy book, then if the book is well marked up, find a
specific chapter you may need to read for a class.  A couple years
ago, I was finishing up my associates degree and needed to read an
astronomy textbook.  Bookshare had the addition I needed.  Our online
class skipped around different chapters quite a bit, and I used fs
reader to find a certain chapter I needed to read for class and it
worked very well.  Other devices like a braille notetaker, or victor
stream could also help you.  If you have a braille display, even
better.  Good luck.

On 10/6/15, Carlos Montas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have questions about book share. First of all is there a way that you can
> download a book onto the computer and separate the book into chapters? How
> many of you use Daisy formatted books on the computer? While using Daisy
> books do you find it easier than using MP3 or other formats? Note taking
> strategies would you suggest when reading a book in either Daisy format or
> MP3 format? I also have a braille sense and I use braille as well. Thanks a
> lot for your assistance.
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From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 12:25:18 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 08:25:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techie questions
Message-ID: <CALEYb2v_Sems+FLFVDMBdWm0dHmF7QVissfS0ck50NtMpgszLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I have a few technological questions that I'm hoping someone might be
able to shed some light onto.

1. Is there a way to both remove programs from a computer if you
realize you no longer want them or to transfer them from one computer
to another? For instance, if I have an old version of Duxbury on an
old laptop, is there a way to transfer the program onto a new laptop
and just update it from there?
Or do I need to just start the whole download process anew on the new laptop?

2. Has anyone used a Braille NOte Apex as a Braille Dsplay paired with
a laptop, and if so how have you paired them?  I can't get mine to
pair successfully.  I can pair my Braille Note with my iPhone but not
my laptop.

3. Does anyone know how to select multiple items in a "select box" on
the Internet using JAWS 16 and Internet Explorer? I can only select
one item but not multiple items from a drop-down menu even wen you are
supposed to be able to select multiple items and I would like to
select multiple email addresses through the Blackboard email feature,
for example.

Thanks for any and all assistance/feedback.  Have a great day everyone!

Sarah

-- 
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
Ball State University
Board Member, Human Services Division of the National Federation of the Blind
sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Tue Oct  6 14:26:29 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 10:26:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] techie questions
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2v_Sems+FLFVDMBdWm0dHmF7QVissfS0ck50NtMpgszLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALEYb2v_Sems+FLFVDMBdWm0dHmF7QVissfS0ck50NtMpgszLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5613DA15.6040901@tysdomain.com>

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Hash: SHA1

Hello,
I've answered your questions inline.

On 10/6/2015 8:25 AM, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I have a few technological questions that I'm hoping someone might be
> able to shed some light onto.
> 
> 1. Is there a way to both remove programs from a computer if you
> realize you no longer want them or to transfer them from one computer
> to another? For instance, if I have an old version of Duxbury on an
> old laptop, is there a way to transfer the program onto a new laptop
> and just update it from there?
> Or do I need to just start the whole download process anew on the new laptop?

If you're on windows vista and higher, just go to start and type add or
remove. It'll take you to the add or remove programs. The transfer is a
bit harder because you'd need to transfer data, so I'd recommend just
downloading the program on your new system.

> 
> 2. Has anyone used a Braille NOte Apex as a Braille Dsplay paired with
> a laptop, and if so how have you paired them?  I can't get mine to
> pair successfully.  I can pair my Braille Note with my iPhone but not
> my laptop.
> 
> 3. Does anyone know how to select multiple items in a "select box" on
> the Internet using JAWS 16 and Internet Explorer? I can only select
> one item but not multiple items from a drop-down menu even wen you are
> supposed to be able to select multiple items and I would like to
> select multiple email addresses through the Blackboard email feature,
> for example.
> 

Try using control+up/down arrow and control+space.

> Thanks for any and all assistance/feedback.  Have a great day everyone!
> 
> Sarah
> 

HTH,

- -- 
Take care,
Ty
twitter: @sorressean
web:http://tysdomain.com
pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc
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From comicsempower at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:57:32 2015
From: comicsempower at gmail.com (Comics Empower)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 17:57:32 +0200
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing: A Competition for Blind or Visually Impaired
	Comic Book Writers!
Message-ID: <CAK-mstcsg4eLoCBffFSF7jzs4V2m1HiaBhbkj7xLSmdUA64n2g@mail.gmail.com>

Comics Empower, the comic book store for the blind and the visually
impaired, is proud to announce that we are looking for the next great comic
book writers in the blind and visually impaired community! And we’re
starting a competition to do it!

After all, now that you can listen to comics, there’s no reason you can’t
write comics!

The top 3 winners will have their comics published by Comics Empower!

Check out the rules here: http://comicsempower.com/writing_competition



Do you know anyone who would be interested in participating? Please share
this email!



Have a great day!

Guy Hasson

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 17:21:07 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2015 13:21:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing: A Competition for Blind or Visually
	Impaired	Comic Book Writers!
In-Reply-To: <CAK-mstcsg4eLoCBffFSF7jzs4V2m1HiaBhbkj7xLSmdUA64n2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK-mstcsg4eLoCBffFSF7jzs4V2m1HiaBhbkj7xLSmdUA64n2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03a601d1005b$63606260$2a212720$@gmail.com>

How do I listen to commics?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Comics Empower via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:58 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Comics Empower <comicsempower at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing: A Competition for Blind or Visually Impaired Comic Book Writers!

Comics Empower, the comic book store for the blind and the visually impaired, is proud to announce that we are looking for the next great comic book writers in the blind and visually impaired community! And we’re starting a competition to do it!

After all, now that you can listen to comics, there’s no reason you can’t write comics!

The top 3 winners will have their comics published by Comics Empower!

Check out the rules here: http://comicsempower.com/writing_competition



Do you know anyone who would be interested in participating? Please share this email!



Have a great day!

Guy Hasson
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 05:29:20 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 01:29:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille
Message-ID: <FC3B1DD6-6D73-4563-B9E8-EDCDE88B00CE@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all?I just wanted to ask you,  can anyone tell me what is the robo braille email address in order to convert PDF files into word format files? I'm just wondering isnce I don't remembr the  address! I will really appreciate it a lot! Hope to hear form you oson. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Oct  7 11:12:48 2015
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 06:12:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille
In-Reply-To: <FC3B1DD6-6D73-4563-B9E8-EDCDE88B00CE@gmail.com>
References: <FC3B1DD6-6D73-4563-B9E8-EDCDE88B00CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901d100f1$19d67b20$4d837160$@mediacombb.net>

I would not mind that email either.  Thanks.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 12:29 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students
Cc: Helga Schreiber
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille

Hi all! How are you all?I just wanted to ask you,  can anyone tell me what
is the robo braille email address in order to convert PDF files into word
format files? I'm just wondering isnce I don't remembr the  address! I will
really appreciate it a lot! Hope to hear form you oson. Thanks and God
bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 11:18:57 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2015 07:18:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille
Message-ID: <5614ffb7.8f35810a.5a154.ffff8e8d@mx.google.com>

It's convert at robobraille.org

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 01:29:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille

Hi all! How are you all?I just wanted to ask you,  can anyone 
tell me what is the robo braille email address in order to 
convert PDF files into word format files? I'm just wondering 
isnce I don't remembr the  address! I will really appreciate it a 
lot! Hope to hear form you oson. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  7 18:54:27 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 14:54:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille
In-Reply-To: <5614ffb7.8f35810a.5a154.ffff8e8d@mx.google.com>
References: <5614ffb7.8f35810a.5a154.ffff8e8d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fa02dbg9ACSkzFQRSxL+oE4cvCb=YpFuB4gMj47HkPjXw@mail.gmail.com>

You can also use the web site if you are interested in different
conversion options they offer.  A simple google search will pull up
the web site where you can upload a file, pick your options, and
submit it to the server to be converted and emailed to you.  The email
is also listed there FYI.

While I am not a moderator of the list, I hope I can point out that
google is very handy for figuring out pretty simple answers to
questions such as this.  I've seen a lot of these kinds of threads on
multiple lists which go unanswered or ignored because it is just
clutter for a lot of readers.  It's generally helpful for a list, and
more helpful to you as you get your answer more directly, to try
finding answers with google yourself first.  It is different if you
can't find it or the issue isn't something that has been written about
online, but I can say from experience that "robo braille" in google
will pop the link you need right up at the top of your search in less
than 30 seconds.  I hope I'm not intruding too much by saying this,
and hope this was received as a friendly reminder to do basic research
when you can independently manage it.

On 10/7/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It's convert at robobraille.org
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 01:29:20 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Robo Braille
>
> Hi all! How are you all?I just wanted to ask you,  can anyone
> tell me what is the robo braille email address in order to
> convert PDF files into word format files? I'm just wondering
> isnce I don't remembr the  address! I will really appreciate it a
> lot! Hope to hear form you oson. Thanks and God bless!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida
> Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal
> life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From llstangl6 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 01:49:25 2015
From: llstangl6 at gmail.com (laura)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2015 20:49:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pratix
In-Reply-To: <BL2PR02MB4817D34A1B6E01D8ACDBFE8DA370@BL2PR02MB481.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001101d0ff77$8ad9e030$a08da090$@gmail.com>,
	<1F5876F6-D94B-43D3-891F-11689A7C25BD@gmail.com>
	<BL2PR02MB4817D34A1B6E01D8ACDBFE8DA370@BL2PR02MB481.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00e901d1016b$91770580$b4651080$@gmail.com>

Thanks rob and all who have given me advice. I am working with a dss person
on this matter and desired to have a screen reader option that was not
listed on the accommodation request form. 

Laura  

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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 20:43:11 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:43:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
Message-ID: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the iPhone?
Thanks,
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 21:15:41 2015
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 15:15:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
In-Reply-To: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d1020e$7d112b90$773382b0$@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I have been looking for a good and accessible Spanish dictionary myself for
quite a while. I have tried out many different ones and  have come to the
conclusion that there is no absolutely accessible apps at all. The best
option is Google Translate. That's what I've been using. It works pretty
good with VoiceOver.
Hope it was helpful.
Anya

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 2:43 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Gloria Graves
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary

Hi all,
Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the
iPhone?
Thanks,
Gloria

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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Thu Oct  8 21:27:06 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 16:27:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
In-Reply-To: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AB7FAA7-B4FC-451F-A866-8774B20BFF66@nfbtx.org>

I use google translate.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the iPhone?
> Thanks,
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:08:49 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:08:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
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References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
	<000001d1020e$7d112b90$773382b0$@gmail.com>
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Thank you, I'll have to try this out. Thanks for the suggestion.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> I have been looking for a good and accessible Spanish dictionary myself for
> quite a while. I have tried out many different ones and  have come to the
> conclusion that there is no absolutely accessible apps at all. The best
> option is Google Translate. That's what I've been using. It works pretty
> good with VoiceOver.
> Hope it was helpful.
> Anya
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 2:43 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Gloria Graves
> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
> 
> Hi all,
> Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the
> iPhone?
> Thanks,
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:08:52 2015
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:08:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
In-Reply-To: <0AB7FAA7-B4FC-451F-A866-8774B20BFF66@nfbtx.org>
References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
	<0AB7FAA7-B4FC-451F-A866-8774B20BFF66@nfbtx.org>
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Hi--

I've found this site to be a reliable and accessible Spanish
dictionary. It provides translation, conjugations, and a
dictionary/thesaurus tool. I believe it has an app option, too, but I
always use the Web version since it is designed to be mobile friendly.

mobile-dictionary.reverso.net/

HTH,
--
Kristen

On 10/8/15, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I use google translate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the
>> iPhone?
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:10:51 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:10:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
In-Reply-To: <CAD6Dm-3XJha23gVfPcTWrQ6jfvA9VHwESQWm=zFCDJCNRsib1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
	<0AB7FAA7-B4FC-451F-A866-8774B20BFF66@nfbtx.org>
	<CAD6Dm-3XJha23gVfPcTWrQ6jfvA9VHwESQWm=zFCDJCNRsib1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E60BE13-2141-4FF8-9E08-CBC434D4F552@gmail.com>

Thank you so so so much for this. I am super excited to check it out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Kristen Steele via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi--
> 
> I've found this site to be a reliable and accessible Spanish
> dictionary. It provides translation, conjugations, and a
> dictionary/thesaurus tool. I believe it has an app option, too, but I
> always use the Web version since it is designed to be mobile friendly.
> 
> mobile-dictionary.reverso.net/
> 
> HTH,
> --
> Kristen
> 
>> On 10/8/15, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I use google translate.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the
>>> iPhone?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gloria
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From kskristen at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 23:11:38 2015
From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 18:11:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
In-Reply-To: <0ACD43EA-4D1D-43EF-9620-C28C84B36BA5@gmail.com>
References: <12DA02B7-F56F-4F08-8A66-2231110B16ED@gmail.com>
	<000001d1020e$7d112b90$773382b0$@gmail.com>
	<0ACD43EA-4D1D-43EF-9620-C28C84B36BA5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD6Dm-2u2Nh-eeqN3wP45NVGNdDuRn__qMgpejo-4AxRi7=Y0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Not a problem! It's a great reference for any language.

On 10/8/15, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you, I'll have to try this out. Thanks for the suggestion.
> Gloria
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 4:15 PM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have been looking for a good and accessible Spanish dictionary myself
>> for
>> quite a while. I have tried out many different ones and  have come to the
>> conclusion that there is no absolutely accessible apps at all. The best
>> option is Google Translate. That's what I've been using. It works pretty
>> good with VoiceOver.
>> Hope it was helpful.
>> Anya
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria
>> Graves
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 2:43 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Gloria Graves
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish dictionary
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Does anyone know of a really good Spanish dictionary application for the
>> iPhone?
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Oct  9 17:30:58 2015
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:30:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Staffing for EYE Retreat 2016!
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References: <007701d0fb84$04510da0$0cf328e0$@gmail.com>
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Hi Kate,

Thanks for posting this opportunity! I really enjoyed working at the EYE Retreat back in 2012, right before I went off to the Louisiana Center for the Blind for training, and would like to ask some questions about the program based on the message below.

Is this message saying that Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialists (COMS) will be there to teach the staff prior to the program? Also, is there a reason that COMS were chosen instead of NOMCs, the certification that was created because blind people were not allowed to get a COMS? I'm wondering if a competent blind traveler might be able to contribute to this whole process. We have plenty of those in the Federation, of course, and I always enjoyed getting those types of facilities orientations from Jennifer Dunnam and the rest of the crew at the Jernigan Institute summer programs.

The next thing I'm curious about is how it seems like people are choosing between going to college and having a career. I like to believe that my choice to go to college is actually going to help me achieve a career, so could you please tell us all about how participants will be sorted into tracks? We didn't do that back when I worked at the EYE Retreat, so I'm wondering if it's one of those deals now where people say "these kids aren't college material, but these ones are."

Thanks!

Justin

Justin Salisbury, NOMC
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a Socialist. 

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out- 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist. 

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out- 
Because I was not a Jew. 

Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me. 

Martin Niemöller

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Webster via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:29 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Staffing for EYE Retreat 2016!

 

 

From: Alan A. Chase [mailto:aachase1 at gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:32 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: EYE Retreat 2016!

 

Hi all,

 

Be the first in line to apply for a staff position at the 2016 EYE Retreat.  The 2016 EYE Retreat will be Friday, July 22 to Saturday, July 30.  As always, we listen to your feedback and we are asking everyone come a day early so that certified orientation and mobility specialists can help you in learning some of the sites we will use.  

 

There is no cost for you to attend and this equals about a $225.00 value.  Who can spend a week somewhere for that bargain of a price?  As usual, we will provide all food, housing, and transportation during the week.  We are sorry that other compensation isn't available.  Interviews will occur in the month of December.  

 

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1M9P3dKm-F0xQ4RT9jlKIwCSeQbcfIWBjOfeeHtGe4Us/viewform

 

Below you will find descriptions of the approved positions for 2016.  We are anticipating increased enrollments for 2016 and are planning for 60 participants this year.

   


1.  College Coordinator (1 position) is responsible for group leaders within their track, class observations, class lesson planning, and participant supervision.  This person is on duty from 7am to 6pm and shares in an even rotation for supervision.

2.  Career Coordinator (1 position) is responsible for group leaders within their track, securing work site job experiences, class lesson planning, and participant supervision.  This person is on duty from 7am to 6pm and shares in an even rotation for supervision.

3.  Registration, Recreation and Transportation Coordinator (1 position) is responsible for arranging transportation to and from sites, arranging transportation for recreational activities, collecting and reviewing registration documents, completing check in and check out with participants, and arranging and supervising recreation activities.  This person is on duty during all registration times, during all check outs, and each evening during the week.

4.  Dorm Coordinators (3 positions) are responsible for overnight supervision of participants, ensuring cleanness of dorms, assisting with serving of breakfast, serving as point of contact during overnight hours, and ensuring participants adhere to the schedule. 

5.  Senior Group Leaders (2 positions) are responsible for assisting track coordinators with supporting group leaders, serving as track leader in teh absence of the track coordinator, teaching of assigned classes, supervising participants, serving as a mentor, and assisting with meal duties.  These individuals are on duty from 7am to 6pm.  Each group would have about 4 participants.

6.  Group Leaders (8 positions) are responsible for teaching of assigned classes, supervising participants, serving as a mentor, and assisting with meal duties.  These individuals are on duty from 7am to 6pm.  Each group would have about 4 participants.

 

-- 

Alan A. Chase, M.Ed.
Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 22:57:32 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 18:57:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I previously posted about this issue on the human services list but
have not gotten any suggestions for how to handle this challenge that
suit my needs.  I got similar answers from a group of blind music
therapists, but as both groups tend to be comprised of older folks I'm
hoping I might get some more satisfactory answers here from people who
know more about technology or why I might not want a reader other than
just being a stubborn whippersnapper.

I am a music therapy student and for my practicum this semester I am
working one-on-one with a young man who has Down Syndrome.  We have
developed a great therapeutic relationship over the past few weeks,
and the theoretical models I've used have worked wonderfully.
Reciprocity is one of the core values of the format, which is great
because it allows for him and I to help each other, and for him to
take some of the responsibility and gain self-affirmation and success
from that.  (Music-centered, client-centered, and resource-oriented
music therapy are the principles I'm using in case anyone is
interested).

In one of our sessions this week the client brought in a spiral
notebook with some handwritten song lyrics that he had composed
himself.  It was clear that he was seeking musical support and wanted
me to work with him to shape the songs into musical works.  My role in
this case would be to help him by forming the melodic material and the
chord progressions for the harmonic structure, but that was extremely
difficult for me to do without access to his lyrics.  I think he did
feel like he got something out of it because he did a bit of
directing, but it would be nice to really shape the song into
something unique (he identified that he wanted a pop sound and chose
to sing it along to the harmonic structure of "Fight Song," with my
supervisor and I playing in addition to the recording of Fight Song to
back him up).

In the following session the client agreed to let my supervisor make
coppies of the notebook pages, and she took pictures of them using a
scanner app on her phone and sent them to me as image PDFs.  OCR won't
work on these since they're handwritten, so I'm still somewhat stuck
in accessibility.  The real catch comes in how to make them accessible
since I am not quite sure what the terms of the informed consent are
(the degree coordinators handle that as this is still fairly early in
my practicum sequence) and I also don't know what I can do on my end
to be ethical.  I don't know if going through disability services or
robo braille is an option because I can't guarantee that the files are
destroyed once I get my coppies of them.  My professor suggested that
we wave the usual requirements of not sharing more than superficial
information between clinical teams and have a classmate read the
lyrics to me so I can write them down, since I need to get them
somehow.  However, I think this is something I need to figure out how
to handle on my own because I may very well have this situation crop
up in the professional world and may not be able to run to classmates
or colleagues busy with their own work to do that.  Additionally, call
me stubborn, but I'm the type of person that avoids readers at all
costs because I want to be independent and not bother other people
with my workload, especially peers.

That aside, when I emailed this to the human services list I received
one response in which the clinician lectured me on how I should have
the client read his lyrics to me so I can write them down in an
accessible format, and I can use it as a way to educate him on how I
adapt, how self-disclosure can be beneficial for the therapeutic
relationship, etc.  I am well aware of these facts and have strived to
self-disclose my blindness in ways that are beneficial to my client.
We talked about it in the first session I had with him and he receives
reminders of why he needs to tell me what he's pointing to or say what
he wants as needed.  He has even read lyrics of songs I've printed out
for us to work on for me a few times so I can find where he is looking
on the page and guide him to the right spot.  He has heard voiceover
and understands what it does for my phone on a basic level, as well as
seen my cane and notetaker before.  I think considering his level of
cognitive functioning that he understands it as well as he can and
with reminders that I've been giving him will understand it possibly a
little more as we continue working together.  On another note, I'm not
willing to sacrifice valuable session time which could be used to
address our goals for him to read to me.  This is because although
give and take is very important in our relationship, I think that
would be overdoing it.  It takes him longer to process and read things
out loud, and sometimes I have to clarify what he says because his
speech isn't always clear.  I think we'd at least sacrifice the
majority of a session if not more with just getting the information
into my computer and checking that it is correct, and that is not
something I'm willing to do-to sacrifice a client's treatment for my
own accommodations.  That's a principle I think I would stick to in
the professional world, so I'm really looking for something that will
allow me to independently and effectively get accessible versions of
his song lyrics while maintaining professional and ethical standards
of practice regarding confidentiality.

Any suggestions or methods any of you have used for navigating these
issues would be appreciated.  With fall break my next session isn't
until Wednesday, but I'd like to have time to look over the lyrics to
see how I can best be of support.
-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 23:27:51 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 19:27:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F36E14D-F99E-48A9-8C29-2F0AD1D1A3AE@gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti. I know that this must be furustrating, not to have th e lyrics in accessible format. but maybe you could tyr to use robo braille in order to translate the lyrics in word format. This is the only suggestion. I don't think there is an app in order to translate those lyrics though. Sorry I odn't have any other suggestion regarding your situation. hope to hear form you soon. Thanks and God bless!! 

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I previously posted about this issue on the human services list but
> have not gotten any suggestions for how to handle this challenge that
> suit my needs.  I got similar answers from a group of blind music
> therapists, but as both groups tend to be comprised of older folks I'm
> hoping I might get some more satisfactory answers here from people who
> know more about technology or why I might not want a reader other than
> just being a stubborn whippersnapper.
> 
> I am a music therapy student and for my practicum this semester I am
> working one-on-one with a young man who has Down Syndrome.  We have
> developed a great therapeutic relationship over the past few weeks,
> and the theoretical models I've used have worked wonderfully.
> Reciprocity is one of the core values of the format, which is great
> because it allows for him and I to help each other, and for him to
> take some of the responsibility and gain self-affirmation and success
> from that.  (Music-centered, client-centered, and resource-oriented
> music therapy are the principles I'm using in case anyone is
> interested).
> 
> In one of our sessions this week the client brought in a spiral
> notebook with some handwritten song lyrics that he had composed
> himself.  It was clear that he was seeking musical support and wanted
> me to work with him to shape the songs into musical works.  My role in
> this case would be to help him by forming the melodic material and the
> chord progressions for the harmonic structure, but that was extremely
> difficult for me to do without access to his lyrics.  I think he did
> feel like he got something out of it because he did a bit of
> directing, but it would be nice to really shape the song into
> something unique (he identified that he wanted a pop sound and chose
> to sing it along to the harmonic structure of "Fight Song," with my
> supervisor and I playing in addition to the recording of Fight Song to
> back him up).
> 
> In the following session the client agreed to let my supervisor make
> coppies of the notebook pages, and she took pictures of them using a
> scanner app on her phone and sent them to me as image PDFs.  OCR won't
> work on these since they're handwritten, so I'm still somewhat stuck
> in accessibility.  The real catch comes in how to make them accessible
> since I am not quite sure what the terms of the informed consent are
> (the degree coordinators handle that as this is still fairly early in
> my practicum sequence) and I also don't know what I can do on my end
> to be ethical.  I don't know if going through disability services or
> robo braille is an option because I can't guarantee that the files are
> destroyed once I get my coppies of them.  My professor suggested that
> we wave the usual requirements of not sharing more than superficial
> information between clinical teams and have a classmate read the
> lyrics to me so I can write them down, since I need to get them
> somehow.  However, I think this is something I need to figure out how
> to handle on my own because I may very well have this situation crop
> up in the professional world and may not be able to run to classmates
> or colleagues busy with their own work to do that.  Additionally, call
> me stubborn, but I'm the type of person that avoids readers at all
> costs because I want to be independent and not bother other people
> with my workload, especially peers.
> 
> That aside, when I emailed this to the human services list I received
> one response in which the clinician lectured me on how I should have
> the client read his lyrics to me so I can write them down in an
> accessible format, and I can use it as a way to educate him on how I
> adapt, how self-disclosure can be beneficial for the therapeutic
> relationship, etc.  I am well aware of these facts and have strived to
> self-disclose my blindness in ways that are beneficial to my client.
> We talked about it in the first session I had with him and he receives
> reminders of why he needs to tell me what he's pointing to or say what
> he wants as needed.  He has even read lyrics of songs I've printed out
> for us to work on for me a few times so I can find where he is looking
> on the page and guide him to the right spot.  He has heard voiceover
> and understands what it does for my phone on a basic level, as well as
> seen my cane and notetaker before.  I think considering his level of
> cognitive functioning that he understands it as well as he can and
> with reminders that I've been giving him will understand it possibly a
> little more as we continue working together.  On another note, I'm not
> willing to sacrifice valuable session time which could be used to
> address our goals for him to read to me.  This is because although
> give and take is very important in our relationship, I think that
> would be overdoing it.  It takes him longer to process and read things
> out loud, and sometimes I have to clarify what he says because his
> speech isn't always clear.  I think we'd at least sacrifice the
> majority of a session if not more with just getting the information
> into my computer and checking that it is correct, and that is not
> something I'm willing to do-to sacrifice a client's treatment for my
> own accommodations.  That's a principle I think I would stick to in
> the professional world, so I'm really looking for something that will
> allow me to independently and effectively get accessible versions of
> his song lyrics while maintaining professional and ethical standards
> of practice regarding confidentiality.
> 
> Any suggestions or methods any of you have used for navigating these
> issues would be appreciated.  With fall break my next session isn't
> until Wednesday, but I'd like to have time to look over the lyrics to
> see how I can best be of support.
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 10 00:30:55 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 20:30:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS8161F6517699C07E64FD8DBA330@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

I do not know of any computer applications that convert hand written
documents into a more accessible format. Therefore, I believe a reader of
some kind would be the most beneficial means of being able to gain access to
this printed information.

If you are concerned about the reader keeping a copy of the song lyrics,
perhaps you could meet with them in person as they are converting the lyrics
into something that may be more accessible for you. This way you can hand
them the lyrics when working with the reader, and then ask to receive them
back when you are done working with the reader. This would ensure that the
reader does not retain a copy of the lyrics.

Additionally, is there any way to break down the song into smaller chunks
when working with this individual? Perhaps working on the whole song in one
session may be too much when working with this person, but perhaps you could
work on the song line by line or verse by verse depending on what might work
best for the situation. If you were to do the song line by line, or perhaps
two lines at a time, you could potentially work on different arrangements
for that section of the song, and perhaps he might want to change some of
the lyrics as you go along depending on how they sound to him. When working
on a new line of the song, you could review what you have done with the song
up to that point before beginning on the new line.

I have absolutely no idea if this would work for your situation, but it was
something that came to mind as I was reading through your email. I hope you
are able to find the best solution to this situation.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
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Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>; National Association of
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Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality

Hi all,

I previously posted about this issue on the human services list but have not
gotten any suggestions for how to handle this challenge that suit my needs.
I got similar answers from a group of blind music therapists, but as both
groups tend to be comprised of older folks I'm hoping I might get some more
satisfactory answers here from people who know more about technology or why
I might not want a reader other than just being a stubborn whippersnapper.

I am a music therapy student and for my practicum this semester I am working
one-on-one with a young man who has Down Syndrome.  We have developed a
great therapeutic relationship over the past few weeks, and the theoretical
models I've used have worked wonderfully.
Reciprocity is one of the core values of the format, which is great because
it allows for him and I to help each other, and for him to take some of the
responsibility and gain self-affirmation and success from that.
(Music-centered, client-centered, and resource-oriented music therapy are
the principles I'm using in case anyone is interested).

In one of our sessions this week the client brought in a spiral notebook
with some handwritten song lyrics that he had composed himself.  It was
clear that he was seeking musical support and wanted me to work with him to
shape the songs into musical works.  My role in this case would be to help
him by forming the melodic material and the chord progressions for the
harmonic structure, but that was extremely difficult for me to do without
access to his lyrics.  I think he did feel like he got something out of it
because he did a bit of directing, but it would be nice to really shape the
song into something unique (he identified that he wanted a pop sound and
chose to sing it along to the harmonic structure of "Fight Song," with my
supervisor and I playing in addition to the recording of Fight Song to back
him up).

In the following session the client agreed to let my supervisor make coppies
of the notebook pages, and she took pictures of them using a scanner app on
her phone and sent them to me as image PDFs.  OCR won't work on these since
they're handwritten, so I'm still somewhat stuck in accessibility.  The real
catch comes in how to make them accessible since I am not quite sure what
the terms of the informed consent are (the degree coordinators handle that
as this is still fairly early in my practicum sequence) and I also don't
know what I can do on my end to be ethical.  I don't know if going through
disability services or robo braille is an option because I can't guarantee
that the files are destroyed once I get my coppies of them.  My professor
suggested that we wave the usual requirements of not sharing more than
superficial information between clinical teams and have a classmate read the
lyrics to me so I can write them down, since I need to get them somehow.
However, I think this is something I need to figure out how to handle on my
own because I may very well have this situation crop up in the professional
world and may not be able to run to classmates or colleagues busy with their
own work to do that.  Additionally, call me stubborn, but I'm the type of
person that avoids readers at all costs because I want to be independent and
not bother other people with my workload, especially peers.

That aside, when I emailed this to the human services list I received one
response in which the clinician lectured me on how I should have the client
read his lyrics to me so I can write them down in an accessible format, and
I can use it as a way to educate him on how I adapt, how self-disclosure can
be beneficial for the therapeutic relationship, etc.  I am well aware of
these facts and have strived to self-disclose my blindness in ways that are
beneficial to my client.
We talked about it in the first session I had with him and he receives
reminders of why he needs to tell me what he's pointing to or say what he
wants as needed.  He has even read lyrics of songs I've printed out for us
to work on for me a few times so I can find where he is looking on the page
and guide him to the right spot.  He has heard voiceover and understands
what it does for my phone on a basic level, as well as seen my cane and
notetaker before.  I think considering his level of cognitive functioning
that he understands it as well as he can and with reminders that I've been
giving him will understand it possibly a little more as we continue working
together.  On another note, I'm not willing to sacrifice valuable session
time which could be used to address our goals for him to read to me.  This
is because although give and take is very important in our relationship, I
think that would be overdoing it.  It takes him longer to process and read
things out loud, and sometimes I have to clarify what he says because his
speech isn't always clear.  I think we'd at least sacrifice the majority of
a session if not more with just getting the information into my computer and
checking that it is correct, and that is not something I'm willing to do-to
sacrifice a client's treatment for my own accommodations.  That's a
principle I think I would stick to in the professional world, so I'm really
looking for something that will allow me to independently and effectively
get accessible versions of his song lyrics while maintaining professional
and ethical standards of practice regarding confidentiality.

Any suggestions or methods any of you have used for navigating these issues
would be appreciated.  With fall break my next session isn't until
Wednesday, but I'd like to have time to look over the lyrics to see how I
can best be of support.
--
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present Secretary, The
National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

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From laniemolinar91 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 09:01:10 2015
From: laniemolinar91 at gmail.com (Lanie Molinar)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 04:01:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Best Reference Management Software
Message-ID: <5618D3D6.5070105@gmail.com>

Hi. I'm a college student and need to write a lot of papers. Has anyone 
tried some of the tools that exist for managing references, such as 
Zotero, Docear, and others? If so, which is the most accessible? I have 
tried Zotero, Docear, and ProQuest. So far, ProQuest seemed the best and 
Docear was not accessible at all. Any suggestions? Thanks.


From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 10 18:07:24 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:07:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
References: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.
Best,Kaley

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:13:35 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:13:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>

In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior. 
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.
> Best,Kaley
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:27:48 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:27:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>
References: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAvLLnKdRtDYUV3=QmkJk42c87bn8pjmFb_BNjOqQPXjQ@mail.gmail.com>

I wouldn't mention it unless the paper itself was inspired by or
related to blindness.
Arielle

On 10/10/15, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is
> absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who
> does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially
> given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not
> disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment
> or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may
> try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior.
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my
>> literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and
>> they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should
>> include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to
>> disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when
>> necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with
>> sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my
>> bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a
>> discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that
>> disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our
>> accomplishments.
>> Best,Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Oct 10 18:33:32 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:33:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints
Message-ID: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends, I am participating in a class in which we have to give
presentation using power-point presentations. I am wondering if other
students have had success with this, and how I would go about doing it. I
have a Pc with Jaws 15. I know that Jaws generally doesn't work when it
comes to reading PowerPoints, but I have never tried to create one! I am
also wondering about adding graphics or figures to PowerPoints. Any
suggestions that you have would be greatly aplriciated! Thank you!

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Oct 10 18:37:36 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:37:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>
References: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5+_A36sZpFP+k3Mn0HN=Ybfru84e-FJ8m=ALQjEjD14Q@mail.gmail.com>

I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want
to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as
someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of
qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard
to get where you are, blindness or not!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is
> absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who
> does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially
> given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not
> disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment
> or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may
> try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior.
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my
> literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and
> they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should
> include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to
> disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when
> necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with
> sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my
> bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a
> discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that
> disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.
> > Best,Kaley
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
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> nabs-l:
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From jordystringer83 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:43:44 2015
From: jordystringer83 at gmail.com (Jordy Stringer)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:43:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B711B51-BE50-4747-9912-1BCF04D80C07@gmail.com>

Greetings all, I hope this message finds you well.
Any student who wishes to have access to a PowerPoint training manual that was specifically written for jaws please contact me off list and I will be happy to share it with you.
My email address is:
jordystringer83 at gmail.com
Warm regards,
Sent from the iPhone of Jordy D. Stringer

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:33 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Friends, I am participating in a class in which we have to give
> presentation using power-point presentations. I am wondering if other
> students have had success with this, and how I would go about doing it. I
> have a Pc with Jaws 15. I know that Jaws generally doesn't work when it
> comes to reading PowerPoints, but I have never tried to create one! I am
> also wondering about adding graphics or figures to PowerPoints. Any
> suggestions that you have would be greatly aplriciated! Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:43:51 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:43:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAYiWHsSjTuAEQSHSP7F4vLqpaf424RcXxYYf=d9Xc++Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kennedy. JAWS actually works really well with PowerPoint. Once you
open PowerPoint, press Control N to create a new presentation. Then on
each slide you can tab between the "title place holder" and the
"object place holder". Press Etr on the title place holder to type in
the title. Press Escape to get out of editing, tab over to the
objectplace holder, then press enter to type in the text for your
slide. You can use shift-F6 to get to a pane where you can add slides.
Insert + F1 gives you a lot of JAWS instructions. When I add graphics
to PowerPoint I usually get a sighted reader to help arrange it so it
looks nice, but you can definitely create the text part of the
presentation by yourself.
Best, Arielle

On 10/10/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Friends, I am participating in a class in which we have to give
> presentation using power-point presentations. I am wondering if other
> students have had success with this, and how I would go about doing it. I
> have a Pc with Jaws 15. I know that Jaws generally doesn't work when it
> comes to reading PowerPoints, but I have never tried to create one! I am
> also wondering about adding graphics or figures to PowerPoints. Any
> suggestions that you have would be greatly aplriciated! Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 18:56:55 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:56:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY5+_A36sZpFP+k3Mn0HN=Ybfru84e-FJ8m=ALQjEjD14Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <238053043.1507463.1444500444926.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>	<B63C2373-C6CF-4829-BE62-EA8B15CF1999@gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY5+_A36sZpFP+k3Mn0HN=Ybfru84e-FJ8m=ALQjEjD14Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <014801d1038d$6f4303f0$4dc90bd0$@gmail.com>

I wouldn't disclose unless it was relevant. It's nothing to hide, but if it isn't necessary, then there is no need to.
Justin.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:38 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not!

On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is 
> absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a 
> person who does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting 
> me, especially given the stereotypes of blindness that are so 
> prevalent. I will not disclose on a resume, or in other important 
> documents related to employment or academic work. I prefer to do that 
> disclosure in person, so that I may try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior.
> > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my
> literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal 
> and they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I 
> should include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, 
> choose to disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it 
> up when necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, 
> uncomfortable with sharing my disability, I do not want it to become 
> the central part of my bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would 
> just like to open up a discussion regarding when we mention our 
> blindness and whether that disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.
> > Best,Kaley
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 18:57:50 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 11:57:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that 
simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as 
something more than a nusance? I suggest 
BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" 
supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" 
don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) 
opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) 
are equally important on this topic. I just felt 
it necessary to indicate mine especially if 
others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>I would have to agree! If you are submitting a 
>paper to a journal, you want to be known as an 
>amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be 
>known as someone who is an amazing writer 
>despite your blindness. This type of 
>qualification serves to minimize your 
>accomplishments, and you worked hard to get 
>where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 
>2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all honesty, I 
>do not disclose my blindness directly unless it 
>is > absolutely necessary. I find that it gives 
>the opportunity for a person who > does not know 
>me to make judgments about me before meeting me, 
>especially > given the stereotypes of blindness 
>that are so prevalent. I will not > disclose on 
>a resume, or in other important documents 
>related to employment > or academic work. I 
>prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that 
>I may > try to influence someone’s attitude 
>about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 
>2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good 
>afternoon all,              I am currently 
>submitting one of my > literature papers to my 
>university's undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. This led 
>me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. 
>Additionally, although I am , in no way, 
>uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do 
>not want it to become the central part of my > 
>bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would 
>just like to open up a > discussion regarding 
>when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or 
>modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:04:24 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:04:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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The only reason I don’t disclose is if it is on paper. Obviously, if I am seen with my guide dog, someone will know I am blind. I am proud of who I am and the fact that I am blind. I refuse to give someone the opportunity to discriminate against me just because of their perceptions about blindness. I would rather explain myself than let a piece of unmoving and non emotional paper do it for me. I only have so much space on a resume. My blindness does not affect my ability to do the work assigned. An employer uses a resume to make a decision about whether or not to interview me. I’ll not have them dismiss me offhand due to their beliefs. They must talk to me at least once if I do not disclose. This way, I’m on level footing with everyone else. Like it or not, many future employers will dismiss an application offhand if they see a disability on it. It makes it much harder for them to do that based solely on disability if I come to an interview and am thus put in the same category as everyone else. 
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>> I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > _______________________________________________ >  > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com  > > > _______________________________________________ >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu  > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:11:04 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:11:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have worked so hard to learn and master.  
Deciding not to disclose has know baring on whether blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or not. 
Justin.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:58 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" 
supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" 
don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you 
>want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be 
>known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This 
>type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you 
>worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10,
>2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > 
>In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > 
>absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person 
>who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, 
>especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. 
>I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents 
>related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that 
>disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s 
>attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 
>PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good
>afternoon all,              I am currently 
>submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's 
>undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. 
>This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this 
>bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In 
>most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary.
>Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing 
>my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio 
>or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > 
>discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our 
>accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > 
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 19:23:21 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:23:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of 
MyBlindness? Well, I would because I'm ProudOfIt 
& not AshamedOfIt. I'm not Ashamed of any of 
MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) 
nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it 
all. If an Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply 
because of MyBlindness, then they are 
Discriminating AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against TheLaw.

You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I 
should have TheOption of disclosing mine without 
being negatively affected if I choose to disclose 
it. I thought Federationists are Proud of 
TheirBlindness, but as far as those, who are 
ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm wrong.

I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings
At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a 
>banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up 
>my skills which I have worked so hard to learn 
>and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know 
>baring on whether blindness is or is not a 
>nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or 
>not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your 
>Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the 
>Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a 
>nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and 
>disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange 
>Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: 
>this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR 
>Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally 
>important on this topic. I just felt it 
>necessary to indicate mine especially if others 
>on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
>discouraged from sharing due to the enormous 
>responses indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! 
>If you are submitting a paper to a journal, 
>you >want to be known as an amazing writer. 
>Period. You do not want to be >known as someone 
>who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. 
>This >type of qualification serves to minimize 
>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to 
>get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 
>10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, I 
>do not disclose my blindness directly unless it 
>is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives 
>the opportunity for a person >who > does not 
>know me to make judgments about me before 
>meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes 
>of blindness that are so prevalent. >I will 
>not > disclose on a resume, or in other 
>important documents >related to employment > or 
>academic work. I prefer to do that >disclosure 
>in person, so that I may > try to influence 
>someone’s >attitude about me through my own 
>behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, 
>kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon 
>all,              I am currently >submitting one 
>of my > literature papers to my 
>university's >undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. >This 
>led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > 
>necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no 
>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our 
>blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in 
>some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > 
>Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:26:32 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:26:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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My  knee-jerk reaction here was to say that if you  find your blindness to be a defining characteristic  that  you really don’t mind sharing than you should go ahead and mention it in your bio.
 As I thought on this further I think that unless you feel your gender or ethnicity to be such a defining characteristic that you would have  mentioned it in your bio, I might not advise  disclosure or “inclusion" of blindness .

  ,  For most of us it is a personal decision at the end of the day.    disclosure can be useful if you want  it to be.
 Some disclose blindness to drive home the point that blind people possess intelligence, talent and views of all sorts,  a fact that is not always recognized. 
I can understand if this doesn’t serve as any sort of clear advice, but I don’t think  I’m necessarily  setting out to give any *smile
 Thanks for bringing this up!
 Darian *.
    ..
 .
 
        
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>> I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > _______________________________________________ >  > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com  > > > _______________________________________________ >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu  > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:27:22 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:27:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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I actually agree with you friend, and, I like your zeal.  
Justin.

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Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, I would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt. I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of MyBlindness, then they are Discriminating AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against TheLaw.

You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I should have TheOption of disclosing mine without being negatively affected if I choose to disclose it. I thought Federationists are Proud of TheirBlindness, but as far as those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm wrong.

I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the wind?  
>I'd rather hold up my skills which I have worked so hard to learn and 
>master.  Deciding not to disclose has know baring on whether blindness 
>is or is not a nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or not. 
>Justin. Justin -----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:58 PM 
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your Blindness, 
>isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something 
>more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How 
>are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. 
>(Note:
>this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's 
>view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary 
>to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I 
>do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses 
>indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have 
>to agree!
>If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you >want to be known as an 
>amazing writer.
>Period. You do not want to be >known as someone who is an amazing 
>writer despite your blindness.
>This >type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, 
>and you >worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, 
>Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > 
>wrote: > >In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly 
>unless it is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the 
>opportunity for a person >who > does not know me to make judgments 
>about me before meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes of 
>blindness that are so prevalent. >I will not > disclose on a resume, or 
>in other important documents >related to employment > or academic work. 
>I prefer to do that >disclosure in person, so that I may > try to 
>influence someone̢۪s >attitude about me through my own behavior. >. > 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM,
>kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon 
>all,              I am currently >submitting one 
>of my > literature papers to my
>university's >undergraduate research journal and > they require that I 
>submit a bio. >This led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose 
>our blindness. In >most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. 
>>Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing 
>>my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio 
>>or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > 
>>discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our 
>>accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:28:00 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:28:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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I’m proud of being blind, but there is a big difference between that and being willing to be dismissed offhand without proof that I am being dismissed because of my disability.
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, I would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt. I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of MyBlindness, then they are Discriminating AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against TheLaw.
> 
> You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I should have TheOption of disclosing mine without being negatively affected if I choose to disclose it. I thought Federationists are Proud of TheirBlindness, but as far as those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm wrong.
> 
> I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings
> At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>> Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have worked so hard to learn and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know baring on whether blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you >want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be >known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This >type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person >who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. >I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents >related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that >disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s >attitude about me through my own behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon all,              I am currently >submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's >undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. >This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio >or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our >accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ ______________ > >  > nabs-l mailing list > > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.or g/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/ nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40 >gmail.com  > > > > >_______________________________________ ________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/li stinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs -l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.ed >u > > >_______ ________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/list info/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/n abs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comc >ast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 19:30:45 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:30:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Hide Yours if you wish. Conceal it if you wish.

I guess/presume, I may be the only 1, who isn't 
afraid of TheConsequences of disclosing mine 
based on TheResponses to ThisThread

Where's DarianSmith ON ThisThread? Where Does 
DarianSmith Stand OnIt?  I presume He's PartOf 
TheNFB's CommunityDivision. I'm interested ToKnow 
HisPointOfView, & how is He (& TheNFB) 
GoingToChange Public'sPerception if "we" ("we" 
being TheBlind&LowVisionCommunity) Hide/Conceal 
"our" Blindness. ComeOn DarianSmith ChimeIn
At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a 
>banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up 
>my skills which I have worked so hard to learn 
>and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know 
>baring on whether blindness is or is not a 
>nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or 
>not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your 
>Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the 
>Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a 
>nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and 
>disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange 
>Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: 
>this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR 
>Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally 
>important on this topic. I just felt it 
>necessary to indicate mine especially if others 
>on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
>discouraged from sharing due to the enormous 
>responses indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! 
>If you are submitting a paper to a journal, 
>you >want to be known as an amazing writer. 
>Period. You do not want to be >known as someone 
>who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. 
>This >type of qualification serves to minimize 
>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to 
>get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 
>10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, I 
>do not disclose my blindness directly unless it 
>is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives 
>the opportunity for a person >who > does not 
>know me to make judgments about me before 
>meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes 
>of blindness that are so prevalent. >I will 
>not > disclose on a resume, or in other 
>important documents >related to employment > or 
>academic work. I prefer to do that >disclosure 
>in person, so that I may > try to influence 
>someone’s >attitude about me through my own 
>behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, 
>kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon 
>all,              I am currently >submitting one 
>of my > literature papers to my 
>university's >undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. >This 
>led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > 
>necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no 
>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our 
>blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in 
>some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > 
>Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ 
>______________ > >  > nabs-l mailing 
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 19:33:23 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:33:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Sorry ToCallYou Out. I failed to ComeAcross YourPosting. ForgiveMe

Great Insight
At 12:26 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>My  knee-jerk reaction here was to say that if 
>you  find your blindness to be a defining 
>characteristic  that  you really don’t mind 
>sharing than you should go ahead and mention it 
>in your bio. As I thought on this further I 
>think that unless you feel your gender or 
>ethnicity to be such a defining characteristic 
>that you would have  mentioned it in your bio, I 
>might not advise  disclosure or “inclusion" of 
>blindness .   ,  For most of us it is a personal 
>decision at the end of the day.    disclosure 
>can be useful if you want  it to be. Some 
>disclose blindness to drive home the point that 
>blind people possess intelligence, talent and 
>views of all sorts,  a fact that is not always 
>recognized. I can understand if this doesn’t 
>serve as any sort of clear advice, but I don’t 
>think  I’m necessarily  setting out to give 
>any *smile Thanks for bringing this up! Darian 
>*.     .. .         > On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:57 
>AM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > If you don't disclose your Blindness, 
>isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of 
>Blindness as something more than a nusance? I 
>suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How 
>are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if 
>"we" don't start. (Note: this is just my 
>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) 
>Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this 
>topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine 
>especially if others on ThisList feel the same 
>as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to 
>the enormous responses indicating otherwise. > 
>At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >> I would 
>have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to 
>a journal, you want to be known as an amazing 
>writer. Period. You do not want to be known as 
>someone who is an amazing writer despite your 
>blindness. This type of qualification serves to 
>minimize your accomplishments, and you worked 
>hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On 
>Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all 
>honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly 
>unless it is > absolutely necessary. I find that 
>it gives the opportunity for a person who > does 
>not know me to make judgments about me before 
>meeting me, especially > given the stereotypes 
>of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not > 
>disclose on a resume, or in other important 
>documents related to employment > or academic 
>work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, 
>so that I may > try to influence someone’s 
>attitude about me through my own behavior. > > 
>On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good 
>afternoon all,              I am currently 
>submitting one of my > literature papers to my 
>university's undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. This led 
>me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. 
>Additionally, although I am , in no way, 
>uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do 
>not want it to become the central part of my > 
>bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would 
>just like to open up a > discussion regarding 
>when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or 
>modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:36:47 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 15:36:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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That is why I used the word "relevant earlier."  Only rive information   which is going to help you; relevant to your situation.  If there is a reason to disclose, then I will.  If not, then I won't.  Oh, and  I don't put down my race of job applications, or on anything else, unless it is in some way relevant.
Justin. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

Sorry ToCallYou Out. I failed to ComeAcross YourPosting. ForgiveMe

Great Insight
At 12:26 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>My  knee-jerk reaction here was to say that if you  find your blindness 
>to be a defining characteristic  that  you really don’t mind sharing 
>than you should go ahead and mention it in your bio. As I thought on 
>this further I think that unless you feel your gender or ethnicity to 
>be such a defining characteristic that you would have  mentioned it in 
>your bio, I might not advise  disclosure or “inclusion" of
>blindness .   ,  For most of us it is a personal 
>decision at the end of the day.    disclosure 
>can be useful if you want  it to be. Some disclose blindness to drive 
>home the point that blind people possess intelligence, talent and views 
>of all sorts,  a fact that is not always recognized. I can understand 
>if this doesn’t serve as any sort of clear advice, but I don’t 
>think  I’m necessarily  setting out to give any *smile Thanks for 
>bringing this up! Darian
>*.     .. .         > On Oct 10, 2015, at 11:57 
>AM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > > If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply 
>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a 
>nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" 
>supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this 
>is just my
>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally 
>important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine 
>especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
>discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating 
>otherwise. > At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >> I would have to 
>agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known 
>as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone 
>who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of 
>qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked 
>hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 
>1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all 
>honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > 
>absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person 
>who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, 
>especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. 
>I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents 
>related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that 
>disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s 
>attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 
>PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good
>afternoon all,              I am currently 
>submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's 
>undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. 
>This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this 
>bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In 
>most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary.
>Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing 
>my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio 
>or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > 
>discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our 
>accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:40:12 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:40:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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	Greetings everyone,

I understand that this is a good discussion topic, however, we need to be mindful of everyone's opinion. Yes, it is important, but there is no right or wrong of rather or not you choose to disclose your blindness. No one here has said that they are ashamed of their blindness, for which I am not either. However, blindness doesn't necessarily have to be the center of everything. If you feel like it is beneficial to disclose it, then go for it. If you don't think it is beneficial, then don't worry about it. Everyone has a right to his or her own opinion, so let's please not bash others for what they do or don't believe. With that being said, it is okay to ask for advice on topics like these. That is how we all learn about what others do.

Thank you
Bre Brown
Second vice president, National Association of Blind Students

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

Hide Yours if you wish. Conceal it if you wish.

I guess/presume, I may be the only 1, who isn't 
afraid of TheConsequences of disclosing mine 
based on TheResponses to ThisThread

Where's DarianSmith ON ThisThread? Where Does 
DarianSmith Stand OnIt?  I presume He's PartOf 
TheNFB's CommunityDivision. I'm interested ToKnow 
HisPointOfView, & how is He (& TheNFB) 
GoingToChange Public'sPerception if "we" ("we" 
being TheBlind&LowVisionCommunity) Hide/Conceal 
"our" Blindness. ComeOn DarianSmith ChimeIn
At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a 
>banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up 
>my skills which I have worked so hard to learn 
>and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know 
>baring on whether blindness is or is not a 
>nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or 
>not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your 
>Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the 
>Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a 
>nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and 
>disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange 
>Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: 
>this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR 
>Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally 
>important on this topic. I just felt it 
>necessary to indicate mine especially if others 
>on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
>discouraged from sharing due to the enormous 
>responses indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! 
>If you are submitting a paper to a journal, 
>you >want to be known as an amazing writer. 
>Period. You do not want to be >known as someone 
>who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. 
>This >type of qualification serves to minimize 
>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to 
>get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 
>10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, I 
>do not disclose my blindness directly unless it 
>is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives 
>the opportunity for a person >who > does not 
>know me to make judgments about me before 
>meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes 
>of blindness that are so prevalent. >I will 
>not > disclose on a resume, or in other 
>important documents >related to employment > or 
>academic work. I prefer to do that >disclosure 
>in person, so that I may > try to influence 
>someone̢۪s >attitude about me through my own 
>behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, 
>kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon 
>all,              I am currently >submitting one 
>of my > literature papers to my 
>university's >undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. >This 
>led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > 
>necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no 
>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our 
>blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in 
>some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > 
>Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 19:44:08 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:44:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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What I find to be  really interesting about this conversation is the various point  of views that have been voiced.
  The truth is that there isn’t any one way that we as blind people go about  doing any one thing.
 Some blind people read Braille, some read  large  print, some listen to the things they want to gain information from  via audio output or human reader, and for them it works.
  some people disclose their blindness all the time, some only do it in  certain situations and others  do not ever for any reason and that’s something that works for them.
  Some people mention their blindness related work on resumes only when  applying to  blindness related positions  while others will include it with their other accomplishments and experiences  because an experience  is an experience and a skill  is a skill.
 Still  isn’t disclosure in a body of an article different from a bio before an article? is it different when arranging for a flight? Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site?is Disclosure  different in a  academic setting?
 And how different is the disclosure of blindness from disclosure of  being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina,  asian, etc?
  Darian  .
   .
  
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, I would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt. I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of MyBlindness, then they are Discriminating AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against TheLaw.
> 
> You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I should have TheOption of disclosing mine without being negatively affected if I choose to disclose it. I thought Federationists are Proud of TheirBlindness, but as far as those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm wrong.
> 
> I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings
> At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>> Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have worked so hard to learn and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know baring on whether blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you >want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be >known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This >type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > >absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person >who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, >especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. >I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents >related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that >disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s >attitude about me through my own behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon all,              I am currently >submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's >undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. >This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio >or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our >accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ ______________ > >  > nabs-l mailing list > > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.or g/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/ nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40 >gmail.com  > > > > >_______________________________________ ________ > >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/li stinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs -l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.ed >u > > >_______ ________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/list info/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/n abs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comc >ast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 19:47:28 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:47:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Guess I'll Keep Quiet from NowOn

And, Celebrate MyBlindness WhereItCounts IN Public withOl'Sighty

Sorry if MyOpinions have Offended others. I'll 
just say it's not me it's YourConscious. JustSaying

FadeToBackGround
At 12:40 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>         Greetings everyone, I understand that 
> this is a good discussion topic, however, we 
> need to be mindful of everyone's opinion. Yes, 
> it is important, but there is no right or wrong 
> of rather or not you choose to disclose your 
> blindness. No one here has said that they are 
> ashamed of their blindness, for which I am not 
> either. However, blindness doesn't necessarily 
> have to be the center of everything. If you 
> feel like it is beneficial to disclose it, then 
> go for it. If you don't think it is beneficial, 
> then don't worry about it. Everyone has a right 
> to his or her own opinion, so let's please not 
> bash others for what they do or don't believe. 
> With that being said, it is okay to ask for 
> advice on topics like these. That is how we all 
> learn about what others do. Thank you Bre Brown 
> Second vice president, National Association of 
> Blind Students -----Original Message----- From: 
> nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
> October 10, 2015 2:31 PM To: National 
> Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
> <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
> [nabs-l] disclosing blindness Hide Yours if you 
> wish. Conceal it if you wish. I guess/presume, 
> I may be the only 1, who isn't afraid of 
> TheConsequences of disclosing mine based on 
> TheResponses to ThisThread Where's DarianSmith 
> ON ThisThread? Where Does DarianSmith Stand 
> OnIt?  I presume He's PartOf TheNFB's 
> CommunityDivision. I'm interested ToKnow 
> HisPointOfView, & how is He (& TheNFB) 
> GoingToChange Public'sPerception if "we" ("we" 
> being TheBlind&LowVisionCommunity) Hide/Conceal 
> "our" Blindness. ComeOn DarianSmith ChimeIn At 
> 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >Robin, why 
> would you hold blindness up as a >banner to 
> wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up >my 
> skills which I have worked so hard to 
> learn >and master.  Deciding not to disclose 
> has know >baring on whether blindness is or is 
> not a >nuisance; I'm either good enough as a 
> writer or >not. Justin. Justin -----Original 
> Message----- >From: nabs-l 
> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] >On Behalf 
> Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, >October 
> 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National >Association of 
> Blind Students mailing 
> list ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: 
> Robin ><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
> [nabs-l] >disclosing blindness If you don't 
> disclose your >Blindness, isn't that simply 
> reinforcing the >Stereotype of Blindness as 
> something more than a >nusance? I suggest 
> BeingProud of it, and >disclosing it. How are 
> "we" supposed ToChange >Public'sPerception if 
> "we" don't start. (Note: >this is just my 
> (humble) opinion - Take It OR >Leave It) 
> Everyone's view(s) are equally >important on 
> this topic. I just felt it >necessary to 
> indicate mine especially if others >on ThisList 
> feel the same as I do, but are >discouraged 
> from sharing due to the enormous >responses 
> indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM >10/10/2015, 
> you wrote: >I would have to agree! >If you are 
> submitting a paper to a journal, >you >want to 
> be known as an amazing writer. >Period. You do 
> not want to be >known as someone >who is an 
> amazing writer despite your 
> blindness. >This >type of qualification serves 
> to minimize >your accomplishments, and 
> you >worked hard to >get where you are, 
> blindness or not! On Sat, Oct >10, >2015 at 
> 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via 
> nabs-l ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all 
> honesty, I >do not disclose my blindness 
> directly unless it >is > >absolutely necessary. 
> I find that it gives >the opportunity for a 
> person >who > does not >know me to make 
> judgments about me before >meeting 
> me, >especially > given the stereotypes >of 
> blindness that are so prevalent. >I will >not > 
> disclose on a resume, or in other >important 
> documents >related to employment > or >academic 
> work. I prefer to do that >disclosure >in 
> person, so that I may > try to 
> influence >someone’s >attitude about me 
> through my own >be>behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 
> 2015, at 2:07 >PM, >kcj21 via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >wrote: > > > > 
> Good >afternoon >all,              I am 
> currently >submitting one >of my > literature 
> papers to my >university's >undergraduate 
> research journal >and > they require that I 
> submit a bio. >This >led me to ponder whether I 
> should > include my >blindness in this >bio and 
> when we, in general, >choose to > disclose our 
> blindness. In >most >instances, I only bring it 
> up when > >necessary. >Additionally, although I 
> am , in no >way, uncomfortable with > 
> sharing >my >disability, I do not want it to 
> become the >central part of my > bio >or in 
> anyway >overshadow my work.  I would just like 
> to open >up a > >discussion regarding when we 
> mention our >blindness and whether 
> that > >disclosure may, in >some capacity, 
> overshadow or 
> modify >our >accomplishments. > > >Best,Kaley >  
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sat Oct 10 19:53:51 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:53:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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As the NFB  message goes Blindness is not the characteristic that defines you.

I would suggest just focusing on your great qualities and
accomplishments and not direct the focus on your blindness. Sadly
disabilities are made into a spectacle. You often see those videos
where someone who has a disability accomplishes something something
that the individual does in their daily lives, however it is made into
a spectacle. In my Disability studies course that is called
Inspiration Porn.

Good luck
On 10/10/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that
> simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as
> something more than a nusance? I suggest
> BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we"
> supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we"
> don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble)
> opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s)
> are equally important on this topic. I just felt
> it necessary to indicate mine especially if
> others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are
> discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating
> otherwise.
> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>I would have to agree! If you are submitting a
>>paper to a journal, you want to be known as an
>>amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be
>>known as someone who is an amazing writer
>>despite your blindness. This type of
>>qualification serves to minimize your
>>accomplishments, and you worked hard to get
>>where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10,
>>2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all honesty, I
>>do not disclose my blindness directly unless it
>>is > absolutely necessary. I find that it gives
>>the opportunity for a person who > does not know
>>me to make judgments about me before meeting me,
>>especially > given the stereotypes of blindness
>>that are so prevalent. I will not > disclose on
>>a resume, or in other important documents
>>related to employment > or academic work. I
>>prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that
>>I may > try to influence someone’s attitude
>>about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10,
>>2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good
>>afternoon all,              I am currently
>>submitting one of my > literature papers to my
>>university's undergraduate research journal
>>and > they require that I submit a bio. This led
>>me to ponder whether I should > include my
>>blindness in this bio and when we, in general,
>>choose to > disclose our blindness. In most
>>instances, I only bring it up when > necessary.
>>Additionally, although I am , in no way,
>>uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do
>>not want it to become the central part of my >
>>bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would
>>just like to open up a > discussion regarding
>>when we mention our blindness and whether that >
>>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or
>>modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > >
>>_______________________________________________ >
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 19:58:15 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 12:58:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Great Response!

I'm only responding because I CalledYouOut ON ThisThread

FadeToBackGround
At 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>What I find to be  really interesting about this 
>conversation is the various point  of views that 
>have been voiced.   The truth is that there 
>isn’t any one way that we as blind people go 
>about  doing any one thing. Some blind people 
>read Braille, some read  large  print, some 
>listen to the things they want to gain 
>information from  via audio output or human 
>reader, and for them it works.   some people 
>disclose their blindness all the time, some only 
>do it in  certain situations and others  do not 
>ever for any reason and that’s something that 
>works for them.   Some people mention their 
>blindness related work on resumes only 
>when  applying to  blindness related 
>positions  while others will include it with 
>their other accomplishments and 
>experiences  because an experience  is an 
>experience and a skill  is a skill. 
>Still  isn’t disclosure in a body of an 
>article different from a bio before an article? 
>is it different when arranging for a flight? Is 
>it different when creating a profile for a 
>dating site?is Disclosure  different in 
>a  academic setting? And how different is the 
>disclosure of blindness from disclosure 
>of  being a man, a woman, gay, straight, 
>latino/Latina,  asian, etc?   Darian  .    .   > 
>On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > You ask me, why 
>would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, I 
>would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt. 
>I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes 
>(Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) nor am I of 
>MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an 
>Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of 
>MyBlindness, then they are Discriminating 
>AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against 
>TheLaw. > > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing 
>yours, I should have TheOption of disclosing 
>mine without being negatively affected if I 
>choose to disclose it. I thought Federationists 
>are Proud of TheirBlindness, but as far as 
>those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I 
>guess/presume, I'm wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm 
>ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11 PM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would you 
>hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the 
>wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have 
>worked so hard to learn and master.  Deciding 
>not to disclose has know baring on whether 
>blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either 
>good enough as a writer or not. Justin. Justin 
>-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10, 
>2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: 
>Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't 
>disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply 
>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as 
>something more than a nusance? I suggest 
>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are 
>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if 
>"we" don't start. (Note: this is just my 
>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) 
>Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this 
>topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine 
>especially if others on ThisList feel the same 
>as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to 
>the enormous responses indicating otherwise. At 
>11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to 
>agree! If you are submitting a paper to a 
>journal, you >want to be known as an amazing 
>writer. Period. You do not want to be >known as 
>someone who is an amazing writer despite your 
>blindness. This >type of qualification serves to 
>minimize your accomplishments, and you >worked 
>hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On 
>Sat, Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all 
>honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly 
>unless it is > >absolutely necessary. I find 
>that it gives the opportunity for a 
>person >who > does not know me to make judgments 
>about me before meeting me, >especially > given 
>the stereotypes of blindness that are so 
>prevalent. >I will not > disclose on a resume, 
>or in other important documents >related to 
>employment > or academic work. I prefer to do 
>that >disclosure in person, so that I may > try 
>to influence someone’s >attitude about me 
>through my own behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, 
>at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > 
>Good >afternoon all,              I am 
>currently >submitting one of my > literature 
>papers to my university's >undergraduate 
>research journal and > they require that I 
>submit a bio. >This led me to ponder whether I 
>should > include my blindness in this >bio and 
>when we, in general, choose to > disclose our 
>blindness. In >most instances, I only bring it 
>up when > necessary. >Additionally, although I 
>am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our 
>blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in 
>some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:00:47 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:00:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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I, for one, was not offended.  I enjoyed your messages.
 Justin.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:58 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

Great Response!

I'm only responding because I CalledYouOut ON ThisThread

FadeToBackGround
At 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>What I find to be  really interesting about this conversation is the 
>various point  of views that
>have been voiced.   The truth is that there 
>isn’t any one way that we as blind people go about  doing any one 
>thing. Some blind people read Braille, some read  large  print, some 
>listen to the things they want to gain information from  via audio 
>output or human
>reader, and for them it works.   some people 
>disclose their blindness all the time, some only do it in  certain 
>situations and others  do not ever for any reason and that’s 
>something that
>works for them.   Some people mention their 
>blindness related work on resumes only when  applying to  blindness 
>related positions  while others will include it with their other 
>accomplishments and experiences  because an experience  is an 
>experience and a skill  is a skill.
>Still  isn’t disclosure in a body of an article different from a bio 
>before an article?
>is it different when arranging for a flight? Is it different when 
>creating a profile for a dating site?is Disclosure  different in a  
>academic setting? And how different is the disclosure of blindness from 
>disclosure of  being a man, a woman, gay, straight,
>latino/Latina,  asian, etc?   Darian  .    .   > 
>On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, 
>I would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt.
>I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino 
>Heritage) nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an 
>Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of MyBlindness, then they 
>are Discriminating AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against TheLaw. 
>> > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I should have TheOption 
>of disclosing mine without being negatively affected if I choose to 
>disclose it. I thought Federationists are Proud of TheirBlindness, but 
>as far as those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm 
>wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11 PM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a 
>banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have 
>worked so hard to learn and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know 
>baring on whether blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either good 
>enough as a writer or not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Robin via 
>nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10,
>2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc:
>Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't disclose your Blindness, 
>isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something 
>more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How 
>are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. 
>(Note: this is just my
>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally 
>important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine 
>especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are 
>discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating 
>otherwise. At
>11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you are 
>submitting a paper to a journal, you >want to be known as an amazing 
>writer. Period. You do not want to be >known as someone who is an 
>amazing writer despite your blindness. This >type of qualification 
>serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to get 
>where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, 
>Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all honesty, 
>I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > >absolutely 
>necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person >who > 
>does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, 
>>especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. 
>>I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents 
>>related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that 
>>disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence 
>someone’s >attitude about me through my own behavior. >. > > On 
>Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: 
>> > > >
>Good >afternoon all,              I am 
>currently >submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's 
>>undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. 
>>This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this 
>>bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In 
>>most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. >Additionally, 
>although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my disability, 
>I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > >discussion 
>regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > >disclosure 
>may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our >accomplishments. > > 
>Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:08:39 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:08:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Jonathon, I promise to quote you on that phrase, Inspiration porn, apa citations and all that, but I'm using it.  I love it!  
LOL.   Can't wait to hit someone with that in conversation full force. 
Justin.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jonathan Franks via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:54 PM
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Cc: Jonathan Franks <jfranks at nfbtx.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

As the NFB  message goes Blindness is not the characteristic that defines you.

I would suggest just focusing on your great qualities and accomplishments and not direct the focus on your blindness. Sadly disabilities are made into a spectacle. You often see those videos where someone who has a disability accomplishes something something that the individual does in their daily lives, however it is made into a spectacle. In my Disability studies course that is called Inspiration Porn.

Good luck
On 10/10/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing 
> the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I 
> suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we"
> supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we"
> don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR 
> Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I 
> just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on 
> ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due 
> to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you 
>>want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be 
>>known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This 
>>type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you 
>>worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10,
>>2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: 
>>> In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is 
>>> absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a 
>>person who > does not know me to make judgments about me before 
>>meeting me, especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are 
>>so prevalent. I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important 
>>documents related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do 
>>that disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence 
>>someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 
>>2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > 
>>Good
>>afternoon all,              I am currently
>>submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's 
>>undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. 
>>This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this 
>>bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In 
>>most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary.
>>Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing 
>>my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio 
>>or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > 
>>discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > 
>>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our 
>>accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > 
>>_______________________________________________ >
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Oct 10 20:09:18 2015
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:09:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Not EveryOne agreed, & the Only1, I CalledOut was 
DarianSmith, & (I Beleived) responded 
appropriately when He ChimedIn MayBe I'm Wrong, but I Celebrate that as well

I'm NotPerfect. In the Words, of JossStone, I've 
got a "Right ToBe Wrong". If you don't know what 
I'm TalkingAbout. Google Her & That Phrase

It's a Song

ForGot to mention, Thanx Justin for appreciating 
differring opinions, I appreciate yours as well

KeepUp TheGoodFight

At 01:00 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>I, for one, was not offended.  I enjoyed your 
>messages. Justin. -----Original Message----- 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>October 10, 2015 3:58 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>disclosing blindness Great Response! I'm only 
>responding because I CalledYouOut ON ThisThread 
>FadeToBackGround At 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, you 
>wrote: >What I find to be  really interesting 
>about this conversation is the >various 
>point  of views that >have been voiced.   The 
>truth is that there >isn’t any one way that 
>we as blinlind people go about  doing any 
>one >thing. Some blind people read Braille, some 
>read  large  print, some >listen to the things 
>they want to gain information from  via 
>audio >output or human >reader, and for them it 
>works.   some people >disclose their blindness 
>all the time, some only do it 
>in  certain >situations and others  do not ever 
>for any reason and that’s >something 
>that >worksrks for them.   Some people mention 
>their >blindness related work on resumes only 
>when  applying to  blindness >related 
>positions  while others will include it with 
>their other >accomplishments and 
>experiences  because an experience  is 
>an >experience and a skill  is a 
>skill. >Still  isn’t disclosure in a body of 
>an article differenrent from a bio >before an 
>article? >is it different when arranging for a 
>flight? Is it different when >creating a profile 
>for a dating site?is Disclosure  different in 
>a  >academic setting? And how different is the 
>disclosure of blindness from >disclosure 
>of  being a man, a woman, gay, 
>straight, >latino/Latina,  asian, 
>etc?   Darian  .    .   > >On Oct 10, 2015, at 
>12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >wrote: > > You ask me, why 
>would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, >I 
>would because I'm ProudOfIt & not 
>AshamedOfIt. >I'm not Ashamed of any of 
>MyAttributes 
>(Portuguese-Black-Filipino >Heritage) nor am I 
>of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If 
>an >Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because 
>of MyBlindness, then they >are Discriminating 
>AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against 
>TheLaw. >> > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing 
>yours, I should have TheOption >of disclosing 
>mine without being negatively affected if I 
>choose to >disclose it. I thought Federationists 
>are Proud of TheirBlindness, but >as far as 
>those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I 
>guess/presume, I'm >wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm 
>ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11 
>PM >10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would 
>you hold blindness up as a >banner to wave in 
>the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I 
>have >worked so hard to learn and 
>master.  Deciding not to disclose has 
>know >baring on whether blindness is or is not a 
>nuisance; I'm either good >enough as a writer or 
>not. Justin. Justin -----Original 
>Message----- >From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Robin via >nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 
>10, >2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of 
>Blind Students mailing list ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>Cc: >Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: 
>Re: >[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't 
>disclose your Blindness, >isn't that simply 
>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as 
>something >more than a nusance? I suggest 
>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How >are 
>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if 
>"we" don't start. >(Note: this is just 
>my >(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) 
>Everyone's view(s) are equally >important on 
>this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate 
>mine >especially if others on ThisList feel the 
>same as I do, but are >discouraged from sharing 
>due to the enormous responses 
>indicating >otherwise. At >11:37 AM 10/10/2015, 
>you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you 
>are >submitting a paper to a journal, you >want 
>to be known as an amazing >writer. Period. You 
>do not want to be >known as someone who is 
>an >amazing writer despite your blindness. 
>This >type of qualification >serves to minimize 
>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to 
>get >where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, 
>Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, >Aleeha Dudley via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all 
>honesty, >I do not disclose my blindness 
>directly unless it is > >absolutely >necessary. 
>I find that it gives the opportunity for a 
>person >who > >does not know me to make 
>judgments about me before meeting 
>me, >>especially > given the stereotypes of 
>blindness that are so prevalent. >>I will not > 
>disclose on a resume, or in other important 
>documents >>related to employment > or academic 
>work. I prefer to do that >>disclosure in 
>person, so that I may > try to 
>influence >someoneâ€Â™s >attitude 
>about me through gh my own behavior. >. > > 
>On >Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: >> > > > >Good >afternoon 
>all,              I am >currently >submitting 
>one of my > literature papers to my 
>university's >>undergraduate research journal 
>and > they require that I submit a bio. >>This 
>led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>blindness in this >>bio and when we, in general, 
>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >>most 
>instances, I only bring it up when > 
>necessary. >Additionally, >although I am , in no 
>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, >I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in 
>anyway >overshadow my work.  I would just like 
>to open up a > >discussion >regarding when we 
>mention our blindness and whether 
>that > >disclosure >may, in some capacity, 
>overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > >Best,Kaley > > >______ 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 20:28:09 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 13:28:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Here's another way of looking at this. I am an ethnic minority, being
a Jewish American, and my grandmother was born in Israel. I'm very
proud of my heritage and have no fear or shame in disclosing it even
with people I don't know well. However, I wouldn't discuss my Jewish
or Israeli heritage on a resume or a bio for a writing club. Not
because I'm hiding who I am, but because it just isn't relevant to the
audience. Instead, on my resume I list grants and publications I've
gotten. Conversely, if I met someone on a bus and we started chatting,
I might disclose that I am Jewish, but I probably wouldn't disclose my
grants and publications because again, it just isn't relevant to that
particular conversation. We only have so many facts about ourselves
that we can share, especially on a short piece of paper. I regard
blindness in the same way I regard my Jewish heritage. It is a thing
about me that I feel some positive conection to, but it's only
relevant in a handful of situations. I hope that makes sense.

On 10/10/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Not EveryOne agreed, & the Only1, I CalledOut was
> DarianSmith, & (I Beleived) responded
> appropriately when He ChimedIn MayBe I'm Wrong, but I Celebrate that as
> well
>
> I'm NotPerfect. In the Words, of JossStone, I've
> got a "Right ToBe Wrong". If you don't know what
> I'm TalkingAbout. Google Her & That Phrase
>
> It's a Song
>
> ForGot to mention, Thanx Justin for appreciating
> differring opinions, I appreciate yours as well
>
> KeepUp TheGoodFight
>
> At 01:00 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>I, for one, was not offended.  I enjoyed your
>>messages. Justin. -----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
>>October 10, 2015 3:58 PM To: National
>>Association of Blind Students mailing list
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin
>><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>disclosing blindness Great Response! I'm only
>>responding because I CalledYouOut ON ThisThread
>>FadeToBackGround At 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, you
>>wrote: >What I find to be  really interesting
>>about this conversation is the >various
>>point  of views that >have been voiced.   The
>>truth is that there >isn̢۪t any one way that
>>we as blinlind people go about  doing any
>>one >thing. Some blind people read Braille, some
>>read  large  print, some >listen to the things
>>they want to gain information from  via
>>audio >output or human >reader, and for them it
>>works.   some people >disclose their blindness
>>all the time, some only do it
>>in  certain >situations and others  do not ever
>>for any reason and that̢۪s >something
>>that >worksrks for them.   Some people mention
>>their >blindness related work on resumes only
>>when  applying to  blindness >related
>>positions  while others will include it with
>>their other >accomplishments and
>>experiences  because an experience  is
>>an >experience and a skill  is a
>>skill. >Still  isn̢۪t disclosure in a body of
>>an article differenrent from a bio >before an
>>article? >is it different when arranging for a
>>flight? Is it different when >creating a profile
>>for a dating site?is Disclosure  different in
>>a  >academic setting? And how different is the
>>disclosure of blindness from >disclosure
>>of  being a man, a woman, gay,
>>straight, >latino/Latina,  asian,
>>etc?   Darian  .    .   > >On Oct 10, 2015, at
>>12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >wrote: > > You ask me, why
>>would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, >I
>>would because I'm ProudOfIt & not
>>AshamedOfIt. >I'm not Ashamed of any of
>>MyAttributes
>>(Portuguese-Black-Filipino >Heritage) nor am I
>>of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If
>>an >Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because
>>of MyBlindness, then they >are Discriminating
>>AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against
>>TheLaw. >> > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing
>>yours, I should have TheOption >of disclosing
>>mine without being negatively affected if I
>>choose to >disclose it. I thought Federationists
>>are Proud of TheirBlindness, but >as far as
>>those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I
>>guess/presume, I'm >wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm
>>ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11
>>PM >10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would
>>you hold blindness up as a >banner to wave in
>>the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I
>>have >worked so hard to learn and
>>master.  Deciding not to disclose has
>>know >baring on whether blindness is or is not a
>>nuisance; I'm either good >enough as a writer or
>>not. Justin. Justin -----Original
>>Message----- >From: nabs-l
>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>Robin via >nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October
>>10, >2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of
>>Blind Students mailing list ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>Cc: >Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject:
>>Re: >[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't
>>disclose your Blindness, >isn't that simply
>>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as
>>something >more than a nusance? I suggest
>>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How >are
>>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if
>>"we" don't start. >(Note: this is just
>>my >(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It)
>>Everyone's view(s) are equally >important on
>>this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate
>>mine >especially if others on ThisList feel the
>>same as I do, but are >discouraged from sharing
>>due to the enormous responses
>>indicating >otherwise. At >11:37 AM 10/10/2015,
>>you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you
>>are >submitting a paper to a journal, you >want
>>to be known as an amazing >writer. Period. You
>>do not want to be >known as someone who is
>>an >amazing writer despite your blindness.
>>This >type of qualification >serves to minimize
>>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to
>>get >where you are, blindness or not! On Sat,
>>Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, >Aleeha Dudley via
>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all
>>honesty, >I do not disclose my blindness
>>directly unless it is > >absolutely >necessary.
>>I find that it gives the opportunity for a
>>person >who > >does not know me to make
>>judgments about me before meeting
>>me, >>especially > given the stereotypes of
>>blindness that are so prevalent. >>I will not >
>>disclose on a resume, or in other important
>>documents >>related to employment > or academic
>>work. I prefer to do that >>disclosure in
>>person, so that I may > try to
>>influence >someoneâ€Â™s >attitude
>>about me through gh my own behavior. >. > >
>>On >Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote: >> > > > >Good >afternoon
>>all,              I am >currently >submitting
>>one of my > literature papers to my
>>university's >>undergraduate research journal
>>and > they require that I submit a bio. >>This
>>led me to ponder whether I should > include my
>>blindness in this >>bio and when we, in general,
>>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >>most
>>instances, I only bring it up when >
>>necessary. >Additionally, >although I am , in no
>>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my
>>disability, >I do not want it to become the
>>central part of my > bio >or in
>>anyway >overshadow my work.  I would just like
>>to open up a > >discussion >regarding when we
>>mention our blindness and whether
>>that > >disclosure >may, in some capacity,
>>overshadow or modify
>>our >accomplishments. > > >Best,Kaley > > >______
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 03:46:25 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 23:46:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Hi all,

I think Arielle's example is a good one.  I'm sure most of us have
some part of their family culture or heritage that we can relate it
to; for my family it is Lebonese (even though I'm biologically not
included in this).  Any other factor could also apply.

I think there are other factors to consider when deciding whether or
not to disclose blindness.  First you want to consider your field you
are going into.  In mine I hope to use my blindness as an advantage,
and sell it as a plus in my interviews.  I think that because I know
what it is like to have a disability I have a different kind of
empathy and relatability for clients than a non-disabled colleague in
my field would, especially so if the client is blind in some form or
fashion.  I had a music therapist who was blind when I was young and
aside from being an MT she was a role model I wouldn't have had if she
were sighted.  I think that in capacities like this that no matter how
hard they try to understand or how caring they might be, non-disabled
professionals just cannot fully get it or serve in that capacity for
clients who might really benefit from seeing a person with a
disability in that role.  I would never dream of disclosing it for the
reasons that Aleeha and others described if I were going into a highly
visual field, or one that did not place such a high emphasis on
working with people with disabilities and forming strong and
empathetic therapeutic relationships.  The other thing to consider as
others have said is whether or not the disclosure will have a purpose.
I am going to start working on some research specifically related to
the lack of support for blind students and their educators in my
field, and as my professors are the principle researchers and I'm
their student I'm probably going to disclose information about my
visual accuity and the specific challenges we have faced in my
education thus far so it can benefit other music therapy students in
the future who are blind.  I also hope it will benefit the field in
general, as there is a strange divide between the work music
therapists do with people who have disabilities and the belief that
individuals who have disabilities and want to be music therapists
might not meet all the professional competencies required for the job.
I would really like more understanding to be shed on this topic and am
passionate about it, so I have no problem with including my
experiences in qualitative data or discussing my challenges as a
student researcher.  It will show employers that I am concerned for
the profession and advancing the work we do, that I engaged in
research with two well-known professors and professionals in the field
while still an undergraduate student, and that I have problem-solving
skills that I can apply to work with my clients.  If an employer in my
field wants to refuse me a job because they find the research and see
that I'm blind I wouldn't want to work for them anyway because who
knows then what they feel about clients.

On the other hand, I also have an opportunity to contribute a chant to
a project my professor is working on for publication.  The chant was
crafted for a class assignment and addressed the goal of expressing
and releasing stress.  As this has nothing to do with my blindness, I
will make no mention of it and don't expect that my professor would
have a reason to either.  She would have no reason to disclose
anything as significant about the other students she has asked to
contribute, and I am thankful that she'd probably also see it as
something that is not pertinent to the project.

On 10/10/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Here's another way of looking at this. I am an ethnic minority, being
> a Jewish American, and my grandmother was born in Israel. I'm very
> proud of my heritage and have no fear or shame in disclosing it even
> with people I don't know well. However, I wouldn't discuss my Jewish
> or Israeli heritage on a resume or a bio for a writing club. Not
> because I'm hiding who I am, but because it just isn't relevant to the
> audience. Instead, on my resume I list grants and publications I've
> gotten. Conversely, if I met someone on a bus and we started chatting,
> I might disclose that I am Jewish, but I probably wouldn't disclose my
> grants and publications because again, it just isn't relevant to that
> particular conversation. We only have so many facts about ourselves
> that we can share, especially on a short piece of paper. I regard
> blindness in the same way I regard my Jewish heritage. It is a thing
> about me that I feel some positive conection to, but it's only
> relevant in a handful of situations. I hope that makes sense.
>
> On 10/10/15, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not EveryOne agreed, & the Only1, I CalledOut was
>> DarianSmith, & (I Beleived) responded
>> appropriately when He ChimedIn MayBe I'm Wrong, but I Celebrate that as
>> well
>>
>> I'm NotPerfect. In the Words, of JossStone, I've
>> got a "Right ToBe Wrong". If you don't know what
>> I'm TalkingAbout. Google Her & That Phrase
>>
>> It's a Song
>>
>> ForGot to mention, Thanx Justin for appreciating
>> differring opinions, I appreciate yours as well
>>
>> KeepUp TheGoodFight
>>
>> At 01:00 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>>I, for one, was not offended.  I enjoyed your
>>>messages. Justin. -----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
>>>October 10, 2015 3:58 PM To: National
>>>Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin
>>><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>disclosing blindness Great Response! I'm only
>>>responding because I CalledYouOut ON ThisThread
>>>FadeToBackGround At 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, you
>>>wrote: >What I find to be  really interesting
>>>about this conversation is the >various
>>>point  of views that >have been voiced.   The
>>>truth is that there >isn̢۪t any one way that
>>>we as blinlind people go about  doing any
>>>one >thing. Some blind people read Braille, some
>>>read  large  print, some >listen to the things
>>>they want to gain information from  via
>>>audio >output or human >reader, and for them it
>>>works.   some people >disclose their blindness
>>>all the time, some only do it
>>>in  certain >situations and others  do not ever
>>>for any reason and that̢۪s >something
>>>that >worksrks for them.   Some people mention
>>>their >blindness related work on resumes only
>>>when  applying to  blindness >related
>>>positions  while others will include it with
>>>their other >accomplishments and
>>>experiences  because an experience  is
>>>an >experience and a skill  is a
>>>skill. >Still  isn̢۪t disclosure in a body of
>>>an article differenrent from a bio >before an
>>>article? >is it different when arranging for a
>>>flight? Is it different when >creating a profile
>>>for a dating site?is Disclosure  different in
>>>a  >academic setting? And how different is the
>>>disclosure of blindness from >disclosure
>>>of  being a man, a woman, gay,
>>>straight, >latino/Latina,  asian,
>>>etc?   Darian  .    .   > >On Oct 10, 2015, at
>>>12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >wrote: > > You ask me, why
>>>would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, >I
>>>would because I'm ProudOfIt & not
>>>AshamedOfIt. >I'm not Ashamed of any of
>>>MyAttributes
>>>(Portuguese-Black-Filipino >Heritage) nor am I
>>>of MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If
>>>an >Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because
>>>of MyBlindness, then they >are Discriminating
>>>AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against
>>>TheLaw. >> > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing
>>>yours, I should have TheOption >of disclosing
>>>mine without being negatively affected if I
>>>choose to >disclose it. I thought Federationists
>>>are Proud of TheirBlindness, but >as far as
>>>those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I
>>>guess/presume, I'm >wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm
>>>ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11
>>>PM >10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would
>>>you hold blindness up as a >banner to wave in
>>>the wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I
>>>have >worked so hard to learn and
>>>master.  Deciding not to disclose has
>>>know >baring on whether blindness is or is not a
>>>nuisance; I'm either good >enough as a writer or
>>>not. Justin. Justin -----Original
>>>Message----- >From: nabs-l
>>>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>Robin via >nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October
>>>10, >2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of
>>>Blind Students mailing list ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>Cc: >Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject:
>>>Re: >[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't
>>>disclose your Blindness, >isn't that simply
>>>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as
>>>something >more than a nusance? I suggest
>>>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How >are
>>>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if
>>>"we" don't start. >(Note: this is just
>>>my >(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It)
>>>Everyone's view(s) are equally >important on
>>>this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate
>>>mine >especially if others on ThisList feel the
>>>same as I do, but are >discouraged from sharing
>>>due to the enormous responses
>>>indicating >otherwise. At >11:37 AM 10/10/2015,
>>>you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you
>>>are >submitting a paper to a journal, you >want
>>>to be known as an amazing >writer. Period. You
>>>do not want to be >known as someone who is
>>>an >amazing writer despite your blindness.
>>>This >type of qualification >serves to minimize
>>>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to
>>>get >where you are, blindness or not! On Sat,
>>>Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, >Aleeha Dudley via
>>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all
>>>honesty, >I do not disclose my blindness
>>>directly unless it is > >absolutely >necessary.
>>>I find that it gives the opportunity for a
>>>person >who > >does not know me to make
>>>judgments about me before meeting
>>>me, >>especially > given the stereotypes of
>>>blindness that are so prevalent. >>I will not >
>>>disclose on a resume, or in other important
>>>documents >>related to employment > or academic
>>>work. I prefer to do that >>disclosure in
>>>person, so that I may > try to
>>>influence >someoneâ€Â™s >attitude
>>>about me through gh my own behavior. >. > >
>>>On >Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote: >> > > > >Good >afternoon
>>>all,              I am >currently >submitting
>>>one of my > literature papers to my
>>>university's >>undergraduate research journal
>>>and > they require that I submit a bio. >>This
>>>led me to ponder whether I should > include my
>>>blindness in this >>bio and when we, in general,
>>>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >>most
>>>instances, I only bring it up when >
>>>necessary. >Additionally, >although I am , in no
>>>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my
>>>disability, >I do not want it to become the
>>>central part of my > bio >or in
>>>anyway >overshadow my work.  I would just like
>>>to open up a > >discussion >regarding when we
>>>mention our blindness and whether
>>>that > >disclosure >may, in some capacity,
>>>overshadow or modify
>>>our >accomplishments. > > >Best,Kaley > > >______
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From aachase1 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 03:54:17 2015
From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 23:54:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd:  Staffing for EYE Retreat 2016!
Message-ID: <CAABjKXmYLncBpFDKUypAzGqKrQMYO7w94CRk8nV-8r9ZeO+PEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Justin,

Thanks for those great questions!  Let me take this opportunity to answer
them and if you need follow-up or additional clarifications please let me
know.

Feedback from our 2015 staff evaluations indicated a need for orientation
and mobility training for those not familiar with the facilities we
utilize.  At the same time, our policies and procedures underwent review by
legal counsel this past summer and it was recommended that for liability
reasons we have certain positions be held only by certified individuals.
As a result, we reached out to our network and only COMS individuals
volunteered to help us next summer.  Now, if you are offering, I'd gladly
offer you free housing, food, and recreational activities to be part of our
staff.  If so, I'll see you July 22, 2016!

As you know, last year was our 7th year of the EYE Retreat.  We were
approached by individuals who had attended the 2009, 2010, and 2011 EYE
Retreats who had just graduated from college and were struggling to find
employment.  They asked us to consider a career track and we accepted the
challenge.  We developed a career track that includes both classroom
instruction and on the job training in local businesses.  Applicants are
free to signup for either track.

Now, as a nonprofit organization and recipient of public funds, we can not
discriminate based on disability.  Therefore, if someone were to apply who
is not eligible to attend college because of their high school education or
other factors we would never deny an application based on that fact.  Not
only is that illegal, but in my opinion its unethical and immoral.  Again,
any and all applicants are free to apply to either track.  There is some
overlap between the two tracks in terms of some combined classes and
activities, but there are also classes and activities specific to each
track.

I'd also point out that having career skills before college could benefit
those who attend college too.  Some individuals might have jobs while in
college, volunteer on campus, or perform work study as part of financial
aid.  So, the purpose of our career is not to direct individuals in any
particular direction.  It is simply to give them options and to provide an
opportunity for those who have attended our college track to attend our
career track or vice versa.

We are excited about the significant growth of the EYE Retreat.  Consider
joining one of our committees to inform our program planning too.  There is
obviously a need for such programming nationwide since in 2015 we had 51
people from 2 countries and 8 states attend.  We are currently in
discussions with a state in the Northeast to develop an EYE Retreat there
and become their primary summer transition program.

Again, thanks for the questions Justin and let me know if you need
additional info.  Maybe I'll see you July 22!

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Brice Smith <brice.smith319 at gmail.com>wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 17:30:58 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Staffing for EYE Retreat 2016!
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
>
> Hi Kate,
>
> Thanks for posting this opportunity! I really enjoyed working at the
> EYE Retreat back in 2012, right before I went off to the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind for training, and would like to ask some
> questions about the program based on the message below.
>
> Is this message saying that Certified Orientation and Mobility
> Specialists (COMS) will be there to teach the staff prior to the
> program? Also, is there a reason that COMS were chosen instead of
> NOMCs, the certification that was created because blind people were
> not allowed to get a COMS? I'm wondering if a competent blind traveler
> might be able to contribute to this whole process. We have plenty of
> those in the Federation, of course, and I always enjoyed getting those
> types of facilities orientations from Jennifer Dunnam and the rest of
> the crew at the Jernigan Institute summer programs.
>
> The next thing I'm curious about is how it seems like people are
> choosing between going to college and having a career. I like to
> believe that my choice to go to college is actually going to help me
> achieve a career, so could you please tell us all about how
> participants will be sorted into tracks? We didn't do that back when I
> worked at the EYE Retreat, so I'm wondering if it's one of those deals
> now where people say "these kids aren't college material, but these
> ones are."
>
> Thanks!
>
> Justin
>
> Justin Salisbury, NOMC
> Graduate Student
> Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
> Louisiana Tech University
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
> Twitter: @SalisburyJustin
>
> First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-
> Because I was not a Socialist.
>
> Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-
> Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
>
> Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-
> Because I was not a Jew.
>
> Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
>
> Martin Niemöller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn
> Webster via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:29 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Staffing for EYE Retreat 2016!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Alan A. Chase [mailto:aachase1 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 10:32 PM
> To: undisclosed-recipients:
> Subject: EYE Retreat 2016!
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Be the first in line to apply for a staff position at the 2016 EYE
> Retreat.  The 2016 EYE Retreat will be Friday, July 22 to Saturday,
> July 30.  As always, we listen to your feedback and we are asking
> everyone come a day early so that certified orientation and mobility
> specialists can help you in learning some of the sites we will use.
>
>
>
> There is no cost for you to attend and this equals about a $225.00
> value.  Who can spend a week somewhere for that bargain of a price?
> As usual, we will provide all food, housing, and transportation during
> the week.  We are sorry that other compensation isn't available.
> Interviews will occur in the month of December.
>
>
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1M9P3dKm-F0xQ4RT9jlKIwCSeQbcfIWBjOfeeHtGe4Us/viewform
>
>
>
> Below you will find descriptions of the approved positions for 2016.
> We are anticipating increased enrollments for 2016 and are planning
> for 60 participants this year.
>
>
>
>
> 1.  College Coordinator (1 position) is responsible for group leaders
> within their track, class observations, class lesson planning, and
> participant supervision.  This person is on duty from 7am to 6pm and
> shares in an even rotation for supervision.
>
> 2.  Career Coordinator (1 position) is responsible for group leaders
> within their track, securing work site job experiences, class lesson
> planning, and participant supervision.  This person is on duty from
> 7am to 6pm and shares in an even rotation for supervision.
>
> 3.  Registration, Recreation and Transportation Coordinator (1
> position) is responsible for arranging transportation to and from
> sites, arranging transportation for recreational activities,
> collecting and reviewing registration documents, completing check in
> and check out with participants, and arranging and supervising
> recreation activities.  This person is on duty during all registration
> times, during all check outs, and each evening during the week.
>
> 4.  Dorm Coordinators (3 positions) are responsible for overnight
> supervision of participants, ensuring cleanness of dorms, assisting
> with serving of breakfast, serving as point of contact during
> overnight hours, and ensuring participants adhere to the schedule.
>
> 5.  Senior Group Leaders (2 positions) are responsible for assisting
> track coordinators with supporting group leaders, serving as track
> leader in teh absence of the track coordinator, teaching of assigned
> classes, supervising participants, serving as a mentor, and assisting
> with meal duties.  These individuals are on duty from 7am to 6pm.
> Each group would have about 4 participants.
>
> 6.  Group Leaders (8 positions) are responsible for teaching of
> assigned classes, supervising participants, serving as a mentor, and
> assisting with meal duties.  These individuals are on duty from 7am to
> 6pm.  Each group would have about 4 participants.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Alan A. Chase, M.Ed.
> Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
> President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat
>
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Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat

From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 11 04:41:09 2015
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 00:41:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Best Reference Management Software
In-Reply-To: <5618D3D6.5070105@gmail.com>
References: <5618D3D6.5070105@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D9F0A32-7972-4417-9524-7CC943014BC0@yahoo.com>

I think the tools inside Microsoft Word are spectacular!!! It allows you to filll in information for your source and it will create your citation according to what type of source it is and whether you are using APA or MLA. From there it will also do your in text citations and generate your work cited page. I love it! 

Feel free to call/text/e-mail me if you want to know more. 

Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
http://bobbialpompey.webs.com 

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 5:01 AM, Lanie Molinar via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi. I'm a college student and need to write a lot of papers. Has anyone tried some of the tools that exist for managing references, such as Zotero, Docear, and others? If so, which is the most accessible? I have tried Zotero, Docear, and ProQuest. So far, ProQuest seemed the best and Docear was not accessible at all. Any suggestions? Thanks.
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 11 04:51:47 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 00:51:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJAYiWHsSjTuAEQSHSP7F4vLqpaf424RcXxYYf=d9Xc++Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY4_iv7r2wMiz-58WaK3-h0yd8isi9TY59PFAJBgBWK2aw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJAYiWHsSjTuAEQSHSP7F4vLqpaf424RcXxYYf=d9Xc++Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZWvPeZYaYeH4QZtguf91=5MRew_snYU9Qjjn_3HVLzag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a few other helpful tips to consider that make creating
powerpoints a little easier.  In the later versions of powerpoint
there are a ton of easily accessible themes to choose from in the
layout tab.  These themes will apply nice color to your title page and
subsequent slides so you don't have to worry about making them look
nice and professional for your presentation.  Depending on how much
vision you have you might be able to see them, or you can have a
sighted person describe them to you and pick out a few favorite ones
to cycle between when creating powerpoints for different purposes.
For some reason a lot of Jaws users I've met seem to forget that
spellcheck works in powerpoint like it does in word, and can be
accessed with the F7 key.  F5 will be a shortcut to play your
slideshow, and Jaws may also read each slide to you in presentation
mode.  I believe (without opening the program to check so pardon me if
I'm wrong) that space or down arrow will cycle through the slides, and
up arrow would go back.  Pressing escape twice will get you first out
of presentation mode and then back to your edit view for the slides.

For graphics and animations, I too would recommend having someone else
look over your slide and assist with those.  Transitions not so much
because usually Jaws does a decent job of describing the action the
transition takes, but with placing pictures and other animations you
would probably at least want someone to check over your work before
you present.

Hope this helps,

On 10/10/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kennedy. JAWS actually works really well with PowerPoint. Once you
> open PowerPoint, press Control N to create a new presentation. Then on
> each slide you can tab between the "title place holder" and the
> "object place holder". Press Etr on the title place holder to type in
> the title. Press Escape to get out of editing, tab over to the
> objectplace holder, then press enter to type in the text for your
> slide. You can use shift-F6 to get to a pane where you can add slides.
> Insert + F1 gives you a lot of JAWS instructions. When I add graphics
> to PowerPoint I usually get a sighted reader to help arrange it so it
> looks nice, but you can definitely create the text part of the
> presentation by yourself.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 10/10/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Friends, I am participating in a class in which we have to give
>> presentation using power-point presentations. I am wondering if other
>> students have had success with this, and how I would go about doing it. I
>> have a Pc with Jaws 15. I know that Jaws generally doesn't work when it
>> comes to reading PowerPoints, but I have never tried to create one! I am
>> also wondering about adding graphics or figures to PowerPoints. Any
>> suggestions that you have would be greatly aplriciated! Thank you!
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 19:46:53 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 12:46:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Afternoon, Kaley,
new entities for whom you may work or study with, 
it seems to me could place people in a sort of 
shocked, overwhelmed space, thus distracting them 
from the shine of your accomplisments because 
people are so emotional about not taking in yiour 
experience via an ocular inputt. What do you 
think of this? I get, though, how it may not be 
relevant in your bio since which ever governing 
bodies may never actually meet you.
I am interested in people's thinking on this.'
Car
Have you ever considdered how, failing to sort of 
prepare  disclosing blindnAt 11:07 AM 10/10/2015, kcj21 via nabs-l wrote:
>Good afternoon all,              I am 
>currently submitting one of my literature papers 
>to my university's undergraduate research 
>journal and they require that I submit a bio. 
>This led me to ponder whether I should include 
>my blindness in this bio and when we, in 
>general, choose to disclose our blindness. In 
>most instances, I only bring it up when 
>necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no 
>way, uncomfortable with sharing my disability, I 
>do not want it to become the central part of my 
>bio or in anyway overshadow my work. Â I would 
>just like to open up a discussion regarding when 
>we mention our blindness and whether that 
>disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or 
>modify our accomplishments. Best,Kaley 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 11 20:20:35 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 13:20:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Afternoon, Darian,

         Your thoughts on the subject of 
disclosing, or not disclosing, I find extremely spot on and lucid. Thank you!
CarAt 12:44 PM 10/10/2015, Darian Smith via nabs-l wrote:
>What I find to be  really interesting about this 
>conversation is the various point  of views that 
>have been voiced.   The truth is that there 
>isn’t any one way that we as blind people go 
>about  doing any one thing. Some blind people 
>read Braille, some read  large  print, some 
>listen to the things they want to gain 
>information from  via audio output or human 
>reader, and for them it works.   some people 
>disclose their blindness all the time, some only 
>do it in  certain situations and others  do not 
>ever for any reason and that’s something that 
>works for them.   Some people mention their 
>blindness related work on resumes only 
>when  applying to  blindness related 
>positions  while others will include it with 
>their other accomplishments and 
>experiences  because an experience  is an 
>experience and a skill  is a skill. 
>Still  isn’t disclosure in a body of an 
>article different from a bio before an article? 
>is it different when arranging for a flight? Is 
>it different when creating a profile for a 
>dating site?is Disclosure  different in 
>a  academic setting? And how different is the 
>disclosure of blindness from disclosure 
>of  being a man, a woman, gay, straight, 
>latino/Latina,  asian, etc?   Darian  .    .   > 
>On Oct 10, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Robin via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > You ask me, why 
>would I Wave TheBanner of MyBlindness? Well, I 
>would because I'm ProudOfIt & not AshamedOfIt. 
>I'm not Ashamed of any of MyAttributes 
>(Portuguese-Black-Filipino Heritage) nor am I of 
>MyBlindness. I want to Celebrate it all. If an 
>Employer isn't GoingToHire me simply because of 
>MyBlindness, then they are Discriminating 
>AgainstMe & as far as I know, that's against 
>TheLaw. > > You have TheOption of NotDisclosing 
>yours, I should have TheOption of disclosing 
>mine without being negatively affected if I 
>choose to disclose it. I thought Federationists 
>are Proud of TheirBlindness, but as far as 
>those, who are ChimingIn on ThisThread, I 
>guess/presume, I'm wrong. > > I'm Blind & I'm 
>ProudOfIt Among OtherThings > At 12:11 PM 
>10/10/2015, you wrote: >> Robin, why would you 
>hold blindness up as a banner to wave in the 
>wind?  I'd rather hold up my skills which I have 
>worked so hard to learn and master.  Deciding 
>not to disclose has know baring on whether 
>blindness is or is not a nuisance; I'm either 
>good enough as a writer or not. Justin. Justin 
>-----Original Message----- From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, October 10, 
>2015 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: 
>Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't 
>disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply 
>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as 
>something more than a nusance? I suggest 
>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are 
>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if 
>"we" don't start. (Note: this is just my 
>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) 
>Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this 
>topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine 
>especially if others on ThisList feel the same 
>as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to 
>the enormous responses indicating otherwise. At 
>11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote: >I would have to 
>agree! If you are submitting a paper to a 
>journal, you >want to be known as an amazing 
>writer. Period. You do not want to be >known as 
>someone who is an amazing writer despite your 
>blindness. This >type of qualification serves to 
>minimize your accomplishments, and you >worked 
>hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On 
>Sat, Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all 
>honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly 
>unless it is > >absolutely necessary. I find 
>that it gives the opportunity for a 
>person >who > does not know me to make judgments 
>about me before meeting me, >especially > given 
>the stereotypes of blindness that are so 
>prevalent. >I will not > disclose on a resume, 
>or in other important documents >related to 
>employment > or academic work. I prefer to do 
>that >disclosure in person, so that I may > try 
>to influence someone’s >attitude about me 
>through my own behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, 
>at 2:07 >PM, kcj21 via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > 
>Good >afternoon all,              I am 
>currently >submitting one of my > literature 
>papers to my university's >undergraduate 
>research journal and > they require that I 
>submit a bio. >This led me to ponder whether I 
>should > include my blindness in this >bio and 
>when we, in general, choose to > disclose our 
>blindness. In >most instances, I only bring it 
>up when > necessary. >Additionally, although I 
>am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention our 
>blindness and whether that > >disclosure may, in 
>some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>our >accomplishments. > > 
>Best,Kaley > > >_________________________________ 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 15:29:19 2015
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:29:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Posible move, thus seeking Rio Grande Texas contacts
Message-ID: <561BD1CF.5060408@gmail.com>

  HI guys
Gerardo from Mexico; this time with a possible move back to the US, 
specifically my plans would be to go to the rio grande Texas area, thus 
any of you guys who might know of people there, write me off list so as 
not to clutter? I wonder if I'd be considered a student if I do move, 
with having to see how to revalidate my Psychology major, or if i study 
something else like Access Technology instructor? Thanks for info.

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Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México



From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:01:35 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:01:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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oHello,
You all bring up some great points. I see both sides to this issue. I can definitely say from my experience, not mentioning anything about blindness or disability give you a higher chance of getting an interview or moving onto the next level at something. When they notice you then the problems occur when they see you are disabled. But from my experience you should never ever ask clothes unless, doing so prevents you from applying because of a barrier to applying for a job, for example so for all those people that so you should disclose out of time isoh yeah whatever they want to a bunch of junk.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The only reason I don’t disclose is if it is on paper. Obviously, if I am seen with my guide dog, someone will know I am blind. I am proud of who I am and the fact that I am blind. I refuse to give someone the opportunity to discriminate against me just because of their perceptions about blindness. I would rather explain myself than let a piece of unmoving and non emotional paper do it for me. I only have so much space on a resume. My blindness does not affect my ability to do the work assigned. An employer uses a resume to make a decision about whether or not to interview me. I’ll not have them dismiss me offhand due to their beliefs. They must talk to me at least once if I do not disclose. This way, I’m on level footing with everyone else. Like it or not, many future employers will dismiss an application offhand if they see a disability on it. It makes it much harder for them to do that based solely on disability if I come to an interview and am thus put in the same category as everyone else. 
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
>> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>> I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is > absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who > does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially > given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not > disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment > or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may > try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my > literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and > they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should > include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to > disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when > necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with > sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my > bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a > discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that > disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments. > > Best,Kaley > > _______________________________________________ >  > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com  > > > _______________________________________________ >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu  > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:27:30 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:27:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting to sell a CCTV
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Hello all,
I'm wanting to sell a CCTV that is gently used at a reasonable price. Please contact me off-line if you or anyone you know might be interested and I can provide additional information. Please contact me off-line at
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Thank you so much,
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 20:48:02 2015
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:48:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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  When I have presented projects at disability school here in my area, 
they say how interesting we'll call you but I never hear from them again!

El 12/10/2015 03:01 p.m., wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l escribió:
> oHello,
> You all bring up some great points. I see both sides to this issue. I can definitely say from my experience, not mentioning anything about blindness or disability give you a higher chance of getting an interview or moving onto the next level at something. When they notice you then the problems occur when they see you are disabled. But from my experience you should never ever ask clothes unless, doing so prevents you from applying because of a barrier to applying for a job, for example so for all those people that so you should disclose out of time isoh yeah whatever they want to a bunch of junk.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>
>> The only reason I don’t disclose is if it is on paper. Obviously, if I am seen with my guide dog, someone will know I am blind. I am proud of who I am and the fact that I am blind. I refuse to give someone the opportunity to discriminate against me just because of their perceptions about blindness. I would rather explain myself than let a piece of unmoving and non emotional paper do it for me. I only have so much space on a resume. My blindness does not affect my ability to do the work assigned. An employer uses a resume to make a decision about whether or not to interview me. I’ll not have them dismiss me offhand due to their beliefs. They must talk to me at least once if I do not disclose. This way, I’m on level footing with everyone else. Like it or not, many future employers will dismiss an application offhand if they see a disability on it. It makes it much harder for them to do that based solely on disability if I come to an interview and am thus put in the same category as everyone else.
>>> On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:57 PM, Robin via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you don't disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as something more than a nusance? I suggest BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are "we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if "we" don't start. (Note: this is just my (humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) Everyone's view(s) are equally important on this topic. I just felt it necessary to indicate mine especially if others on ThisList feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from sharing due to the enormous responses indicating otherwise.
>>> At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>>> I would have to agree! If you are submitting a paper to a journal, you want to be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do not want to be known as someone who is an amazing writer despite your blindness. This type of qualification serves to minimize your accomplishments, and you worked hard to get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, Oct 10, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:>  In all honesty, I do not disclose my blindness directly unless it is>  absolutely necessary. I find that it gives the opportunity for a person who>  does not know me to make judgments about me before meeting me, especially>  given the stereotypes of blindness that are so prevalent. I will not>  disclose on a resume, or in other important documents related to employment>  or academic work. I prefer to do that disclosure in person, so that I may>  try to influence someone’s attitude about me through my own behavior.>  >  On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:>  >  >  >  Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my>  literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and>  they require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should>  include my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to>  disclose our blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when>  necessary. Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with>  sharing my disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my>  bio or in anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a>  discussion regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that>  disclosure may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.>  >  Best,Kaley>  >  _______________________________________________>   >  nabs-l mailing list>  >  nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>  >  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for>  nabs-l:>  >  >  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com>  >  >  _______________________________________________>   nabs-l mailing list>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org>  To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for>  nabs-l:>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu>  _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net
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Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México




From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 02:59:39 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:59:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:06:25 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:06:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFM_bnkVrtFXbXBhnPbvybuPTUa0AgYQFYQ8NeKX0uHE3g@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure if this could help but android lollipop has incredible and
writing recognition software. I think it runs through Google. Maybe look
into that.
On Oct 12, 2015 22:00, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:12:24 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:12:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <CABxPbFM_bnkVrtFXbXBhnPbvybuPTUa0AgYQFYQ8NeKX0uHE3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFM_bnkVrtFXbXBhnPbvybuPTUa0AgYQFYQ8NeKX0uHE3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYqLqUW26VdeeWfxSkK8qnyY4JX4i2fwDzKjx1QyADAZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I have a few hesitations with that.  First, I'm interested in it
but does it store the handwriting images or the converted images in
any form?  I'm skeptical of it for that reason because These lyrics
are part of music therapy sessions and need to stay confidential for
client privacy and for professional ethics on my end.  If I cannot
guarantee that the files are not stored in any way I can't use it.  I
do not have a droid device, so it would have to run off of a PC or an
IPhone which I doubt it would.  Also, I already have the human reader
lined up for a date and time so I'm more interested in making sure
that I adequately pay her since I didn't know about this other option
from my first thread and have the time to investigate it further
before booking the human reader.  I will check it out to have as a
tool for personal use, though.

On 10/12/15, john mestemacher via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am not sure if this could help but android lollipop has incredible and
> writing recognition software. I think it runs through Google. Maybe look
> into that.
> On Oct 12, 2015 22:00, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Oct 13 03:12:27 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:12:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73617152-4C29-4D73-8E2F-62D734B81FE5@aol.com>

Hi Kaiti, 
If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take is have your reader hired by the disability service office. 
A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process. 
If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already hired by the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading time into the time sheet. 
I hope this makes sense and is helpful. 
Miso 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:16:18 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 22:16:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYqLqUW26VdeeWfxSkK8qnyY4JX4i2fwDzKjx1QyADAZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFM_bnkVrtFXbXBhnPbvybuPTUa0AgYQFYQ8NeKX0uHE3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYqLqUW26VdeeWfxSkK8qnyY4JX4i2fwDzKjx1QyADAZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFPSJTD=gEC_Vi6dX_5ffkKvarsJ1ZLovVLB7Wb6YCW9WA@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if it stores. I haven't messed with it to the point that I can put
in other text and have it recognise. Sorry I couldn't help.
On Oct 12, 2015 22:12, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Well, I have a few hesitations with that.  First, I'm interested in it
> but does it store the handwriting images or the converted images in
> any form?  I'm skeptical of it for that reason because These lyrics
> are part of music therapy sessions and need to stay confidential for
> client privacy and for professional ethics on my end.  If I cannot
> guarantee that the files are not stored in any way I can't use it.  I
> do not have a droid device, so it would have to run off of a PC or an
> IPhone which I doubt it would.  Also, I already have the human reader
> lined up for a date and time so I'm more interested in making sure
> that I adequately pay her since I didn't know about this other option
> from my first thread and have the time to investigate it further
> before booking the human reader.  I will check it out to have as a
> tool for personal use, though.
>
> On 10/12/15, john mestemacher via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I am not sure if this could help but android lollipop has incredible and
> > writing recognition software. I think it runs through Google. Maybe look
> > into that.
> > On Oct 12, 2015 22:00, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
> >> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
> >> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
> >> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
> >> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
> >> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
> >> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
> >> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
> >> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
> >> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
> >> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
> >> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
> >> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
> >> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
> >> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kaiti Shelton
> >> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> >> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> >> Division 2015-2016
> >>
> >> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:22:45 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:22:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <73617152-4C29-4D73-8E2F-62D734B81FE5@aol.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<73617152-4C29-4D73-8E2F-62D734B81FE5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCOv2KiaaH=DUPTP3sCho1nOJLoTyteT+z+=1hjw6D9-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
seems about right.
Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
Best, Arielle

On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take is have
> your reader hired by the disability service office.
> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already hired by
> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading time
> into the time sheet.
> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
> Miso
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 03:30:00 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:30:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYqLqUW26VdeeWfxSkK8qnyY4JX4i2fwDzKjx1QyADAZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ7Ukxrj=R=RvEFPfgys0iVmPO0FdMpF3BdSA-NyaoqMQ@mail.gmail.com><CABxPbFM_bnkVrtFXbXBhnPbvybuPTUa0AgYQFYQ8NeKX0uHE3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYqLqUW26VdeeWfxSkK8qnyY4JX4i2fwDzKjx1QyADAZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65EA729ADD264BD685138309D8DD9DE1@OwnerPC>

Hi Kaiti,

I've heard of recognition software for android too, but IMO you are better 
off with a reader.
Readers can intrerpet things more accurately  anyway.

In terms of cost, this is a short thing not an ongoing thing.
About 30 minutes is not much time. I'd suggest either paying the reader 5 
dollars in cash or something equivalent. Some ideas that I think are fair 
compensation for that are a small meal, snack on campus, a starbucks coffee 
or a small gift card.
Personally, I've paid readers out of pocket as my folks can support that. 
The va rehab services can do it, but I hate the fact they only pay minimum 
wage, and I have a hard enough time getting reliable readers paying a higher 
rate. I pay readers, usually for library research, at rate of 10 dollars an 
hour.

Good luck and   I hope they rread well.
The reader should read slowly and will probably need to tell you about 
punctuation and paragraph changes which are important in song lyrics.
Its not the easiest thing to read another's handwriting, so I hope it works 
out alright.

HTH,
ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:12 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers

Well, I have a few hesitations with that.  First, I'm interested in it
but does it store the handwriting images or the converted images in
any form?  I'm skeptical of it for that reason because These lyrics
are part of music therapy sessions and need to stay confidential for
client privacy and for professional ethics on my end.  If I cannot
guarantee that the files are not stored in any way I can't use it.  I
do not have a droid device, so it would have to run off of a PC or an
IPhone which I doubt it would.  Also, I already have the human reader
lined up for a date and time so I'm more interested in making sure
that I adequately pay her since I didn't know about this other option
from my first thread and have the time to investigate it further
before booking the human reader.  I will check it out to have as a
tool for personal use, though.

On 10/12/15, john mestemacher via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am not sure if this could help but android lollipop has incredible and
> writing recognition software. I think it runs through Google. Maybe look
> into that.
> On Oct 12, 2015 22:00, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:34:51 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:34:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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Hi all,

The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.

I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
salads are around $5).

On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
> the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
> undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
> rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
> seems about right.
> Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
> reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
> some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
> employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
> I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
> problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
> couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
> getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
> assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
> do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
> Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
> reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
> relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti,
>> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take is
>> have
>> your reader hired by the disability service office.
>> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
>> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already hired
>> by
>> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
>> time
>> into the time sheet.
>> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
>> Miso
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
>>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
>>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>> Division 2015-2016
>>>
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Oct 13 03:40:03 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 20:40:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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I have asked for specific people to be hired. Never had an issues.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
> Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
> needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
> major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
> about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
> therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
> to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
> to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
> be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
> a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
> he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
> letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
> competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
> on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.
>
> I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
> started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
> meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
> in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
> wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
> might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
> this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
> in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
> salads are around $5).
>
> On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
> > the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
> > undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
> > rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
> > seems about right.
> > Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
> > reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
> > some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
> > employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
> > I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
> > problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
> > couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
> > getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
> > assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
> > do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
> > Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
> > reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
> > relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
> > Best, Arielle
> >
> > On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Kaiti,
> >> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take is
> >> have
> >> your reader hired by the disability service office.
> >> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
> >> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already hired
> >> by
> >> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
> >> time
> >> into the time sheet.
> >> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
> >> Miso
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
> >>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
> >>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
> >>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
> >>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
> >>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
> >>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
> >>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
> >>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
> >>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
> >>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
> >>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
> >>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
> >>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
> >>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kaiti Shelton
> >>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> >>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> >>> Division 2015-2016
> >>>
> >>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> >>>
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> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 03:48:37 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:48:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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Okay, great.  I don't think I'll do it this particular time because as
far as I know this will be a one-time event, but it's good to know for
future reference.  I didn't need a lab assistant at all until this
semester either, so I'm still getting the hang of having assistants
and other people helping with my academics.  I've worked hard to
handle as much as I could on my own without readers or assistant
people, so I'm learning.

On 10/12/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have asked for specific people to be hired. Never had an issues.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
>> Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
>> needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
>> major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
>> about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
>> therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
>> to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
>> to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
>> be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
>> a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
>> he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
>> letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
>> competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
>> on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.
>>
>> I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
>> started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
>> meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
>> in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
>> wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
>> might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
>> this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
>> in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
>> salads are around $5).
>>
>> On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
>> > the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
>> > undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
>> > rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
>> > seems about right.
>> > Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
>> > reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
>> > some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
>> > employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
>> > I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
>> > problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
>> > couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
>> > getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
>> > assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
>> > do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
>> > Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
>> > reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
>> > relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
>> > Best, Arielle
>> >
>> > On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi Kaiti,
>> >> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take
>> >> is
>> >> have
>> >> your reader hired by the disability service office.
>> >> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
>> >> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already
>> >> hired
>> >> by
>> >> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
>> >> time
>> >> into the time sheet.
>> >> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
>> >> Miso
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>> >>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>> >>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>> >>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>> >>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to
>> >>> read
>> >>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>> >>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>> >>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>> >>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>> >>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>> >>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>> >>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>> >>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>> >>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Kaiti Shelton
>> >>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> >>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> >>> Division 2015-2016
>> >>>
>> >>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you
>> >>> back!"
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> nabs-l mailing list
>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
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Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 04:09:20 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:09:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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Hey there,

I use readers often for my tougher subjects, and sometimes I ask the disabilities services person for assistance in finding a reader because I don't like to use friends. I find that working with friends, although beneficial if you have a class together, can be counter-productive. Often even asking your professors for a recommendation can lead you into a great relationship with a reader. I've been using one of my professor's senior Research Assistants as a reader, and they're allowed to use our reading hours as part of their reading literacy requirements. It can often be a win-win situation if you find the right people! Good luck. 

Meaghan 

Meaghan Roper


> On Oct 12, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Okay, great.  I don't think I'll do it this particular time because as
> far as I know this will be a one-time event, but it's good to know for
> future reference.  I didn't need a lab assistant at all until this
> semester either, so I'm still getting the hang of having assistants
> and other people helping with my academics.  I've worked hard to
> handle as much as I could on my own without readers or assistant
> people, so I'm learning.
> 
>> On 10/12/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I have asked for specific people to be hired. Never had an issues.
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
>>> Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
>>> needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
>>> major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
>>> about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
>>> therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
>>> to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
>>> to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
>>> be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
>>> a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
>>> he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
>>> letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
>>> competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
>>> on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.
>>> 
>>> I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
>>> started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
>>> meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
>>> in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
>>> wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
>>> might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
>>> this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
>>> in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
>>> salads are around $5).
>>> 
>>>> On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
>>>> the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
>>>> undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
>>>> rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
>>>> seems about right.
>>>> Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
>>>> reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
>>>> some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
>>>> employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
>>>> I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
>>>> problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
>>>> couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
>>>> getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
>>>> assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
>>>> do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
>>>> Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
>>>> reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
>>>> relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
>>>> Best, Arielle
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kaiti,
>>>>> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take
>>>>> is
>>>>> have
>>>>> your reader hired by the disability service office.
>>>>> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
>>>>> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already
>>>>> hired
>>>>> by
>>>>> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
>>>>> time
>>>>> into the time sheet.
>>>>> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
>>>>> Miso
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>>>>>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>>>>>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>>>>>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>>>>>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>>>>>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>>>>>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>>>>>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>>>>>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>>>>>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>>>>>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>>>>>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>>>>>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>>>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>>>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>>>>> Division 2015-2016
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you
>>>>>> back!"
>>>>>> 
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>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>> Division 2015-2016
>>> 
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>> 
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> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 04:28:16 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:28:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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Hi.  I agree that buying the person a drink, or snack is a great way
to go.  It is only for about half an hour which isn't very long.  I
usually do the same kind of thing if someone is taking me to the gas
station to pick up stuff.  Like a couple days ago, my brother took me
to a gas station to pick up a couple pizza's I ordered.  He asked me
if I would buy him a drink, so I did so, and also bought my self a
drink.  Good luck with your new reader.  Hope all works out.

On 10/12/15, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I use readers often for my tougher subjects, and sometimes I ask the
> disabilities services person for assistance in finding a reader because I
> don't like to use friends. I find that working with friends, although
> beneficial if you have a class together, can be counter-productive. Often
> even asking your professors for a recommendation can lead you into a great
> relationship with a reader. I've been using one of my professor's senior
> Research Assistants as a reader, and they're allowed to use our reading
> hours as part of their reading literacy requirements. It can often be a
> win-win situation if you find the right people! Good luck.
>
> Meaghan
>
> Meaghan Roper
>
>
>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 11:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, great.  I don't think I'll do it this particular time because as
>> far as I know this will be a one-time event, but it's good to know for
>> future reference.  I didn't need a lab assistant at all until this
>> semester either, so I'm still getting the hang of having assistants
>> and other people helping with my academics.  I've worked hard to
>> handle as much as I could on my own without readers or assistant
>> people, so I'm learning.
>>
>>> On 10/12/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I have asked for specific people to be hired. Never had an issues.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
>>>> Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
>>>> needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
>>>> major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
>>>> about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
>>>> therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
>>>> to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
>>>> to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
>>>> be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
>>>> a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
>>>> he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
>>>> letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
>>>> competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
>>>> on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.
>>>>
>>>> I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
>>>> started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
>>>> meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
>>>> in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
>>>> wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
>>>> might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
>>>> this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
>>>> in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
>>>> salads are around $5).
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
>>>>> the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
>>>>> undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
>>>>> rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
>>>>> seems about right.
>>>>> Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
>>>>> reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
>>>>> some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
>>>>> employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
>>>>> I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
>>>>> problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
>>>>> couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
>>>>> getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
>>>>> assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
>>>>> do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
>>>>> Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
>>>>> reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
>>>>> relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
>>>>> Best, Arielle
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Kaiti,
>>>>>> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> your reader hired by the disability service office.
>>>>>> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
>>>>>> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already
>>>>>> hired
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> into the time sheet.
>>>>>> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
>>>>>> Miso
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last
>>>>>>> thread
>>>>>>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>>>>>>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>>>>>>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>>>>>>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>>>>>>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>>>>>>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>>>>>>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>>>>>>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>>>>>>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from
>>>>>>> Starbucks
>>>>>>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>>>>>>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>>>>>>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>>>>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>>>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>>>>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>>>>>> Division 2015-2016
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you
>>>>>>> back!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>>>> for
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>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>>> Division 2015-2016
>>>>
>>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 04:40:12 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 00:40:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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Kaiti,

Schools handle things very differently. Schools I've attended, george mason 
university GMU and marymount university MU, only provide readers for exams. 
You cannot pick your reader or even specify that the reader be competent in 
that subject for which they read. So for my psychology exams, I was not able 
to request a psychology reader.
Apparently, Suzanne's school does it differently.

In your situation, I'd strongly not advise going through DSS. As I said, 
they probably will not hire you a reader; most schools do not provide 
readers for outside work.
Even if your school provides readers, I think they need to be familiar with 
your subject matter and confidentiality. Schools will have forms for them to 
sign about confidentiality I'm sure and tell them not even to orally discuss 
students they provide service to. Still, its not the same as having the 
familiarity with your professional ethics issues.
Besides, you would lose some control over the reader time and their quality 
if you went through DSS or any third party to hire readers.
Its best IMO to work it out yourself.
Pay readers as you suggested with starbucks drinks, snacks, or money.
I'm sure it will work out. You are so lucky you got a reader so quickly 
through your class.
I've asked in classes before, and sometimes I get readers, and sometimes I 
do not. Even when I do, its only 2 or 3 students of a typically full sized 
class of say 35 students.
So I usually have to recruit readers at random through people who respond to 
ads I put up.
Interesting we're on this subject as I was planning to find more readers for 
my history class since I need readers for our history assignment.
I will ask in class if I'm allowed, but also other classes and may put up 
flyers.
I have a few now, but their availability is more limiting  than I'd like it 
to be and I need someone more consistent.


Good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers

Okay, great.  I don't think I'll do it this particular time because as
far as I know this will be a one-time event, but it's good to know for
future reference.  I didn't need a lab assistant at all until this
semester either, so I'm still getting the hang of having assistants
and other people helping with my academics.  I've worked hard to
handle as much as I could on my own without readers or assistant
people, so I'm learning.

On 10/12/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have asked for specific people to be hired. Never had an issues.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 8:34 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
>> Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to read
>> needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music therapy
>> major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
>> about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
>> therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it possible
>> to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is willing
>> to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking this to
>> be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who isn't
>> a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, and
>> he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring process and
>> letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
>> competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very strict
>> on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.
>>
>> I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, because I
>> started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
>> meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating that
>> in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know I
>> wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our building
>> might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I know
>> this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking up
>> in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
>> salads are around $5).
>>
>> On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is about
>> > the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
>> > undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the going
>> > rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 drink
>> > seems about right.
>> > Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a lot of
>> > reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can take
>> > some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
>> > employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management process.
>> > I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning she had
>> > problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that I
>> > couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
>> > getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my lab
>> > assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that you
>> > do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS route.
>> > Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope the
>> > reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
>> > relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
>> > Best, Arielle
>> >
>> > On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi Kaiti,
>> >> If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could take
>> >> is
>> >> have
>> >> your reader hired by the disability service office.
>> >> A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring process.
>> >> If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is already
>> >> hired
>> >> by
>> >> the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her reading
>> >> time
>> >> into the time sheet.
>> >> I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
>> >> Miso
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>> >>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>> >>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>> >>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>> >>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to
>> >>> read
>> >>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>> >>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>> >>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>> >>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>> >>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but
>> >>> I
>> >>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>> >>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>> >>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>> >>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>> >>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Kaiti Shelton
>> >>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> >>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> >>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> >>> Division 2015-2016
>> >>>
>> >>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you
>> >>> back!"
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Oct 13 05:08:37 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 05:08:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Posible move, thus seeking Rio Grande Texas contacts
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Hello, what exactly are you wanting to know about moving back to the US? You can write me off list at the below email address.
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On Oct 12, 2015, at 10:29 AM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

HI guys
Gerardo from Mexico; this time with a possible move back to the US, specifically my plans would be to go to the rio grande Texas area, thus any of you guys who might know of people there, write me off list so as not to clutter? I wonder if I'd be considered a student if I do move, with having to see how to revalidate my Psychology major, or if i study something else like Access Technology instructor? Thanks for info.

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 06:53:21 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 02:53:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Kaley,

It depends on the situation. I do not disclose on cover letters and resumes; 
I do state it before an interview.
In this case, I'd disclose it. Just mention it in the bio. I'd state my name 
and major and year at the school. Then say that I'm blind, if it were me.

I hope your article gets published.
How cool you might be in a research journal! That is unusual for an 
undergrad student.

-----Original Message----- 
From: kcj21 via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students Mailing List
Cc: kcj21
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness

Good afternoon all,              I am currently submitting one of my 
literature papers to my university's undergraduate research journal and they 
require that I submit a bio. This led me to ponder whether I should include 
my blindness in this bio and when we, in general, choose to disclose our 
blindness. In most instances, I only bring it up when necessary. 
Additionally, although I am , in no way, uncomfortable with sharing my 
disability, I do not want it to become the central part of my bio or in 
anyway overshadow my work.  I would just like to open up a discussion 
regarding when we mention our blindness and whether that disclosure may, in 
some capacity, overshadow or modify our accomplishments.
Best,Kaley
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 13 06:54:33 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 02:54:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints
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hi,
you can create them. Tab between the place holders.
have a sighted person do some formatting though.

-----Original Message----- 
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Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 2:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Powerpoints

Hello Friends, I am participating in a class in which we have to give
presentation using power-point presentations. I am wondering if other
students have had success with this, and how I would go about doing it. I
have a Pc with Jaws 15. I know that Jaws generally doesn't work when it
comes to reading PowerPoints, but I have never tried to create one! I am
also wondering about adding graphics or figures to PowerPoints. Any
suggestions that you have would be greatly aplriciated! Thank you!
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 11:26:58 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 07:26:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
Message-ID: <561ceaa7.c1ed0d0a.b7b9.624b@mx.google.com>

Kaiti, I think this will depend on the school.  My school hires 
note takers and assistents from the students in the class where 
someone needs one, so it's certainly not inconceivable that yours 
would hire someone from your class, but you'll have to check with 
them.  I also wonder how much confidentiality is really an issue 
here if the client's name isn't associated with what they're 
reading.  It seems to me that you might be better off with a 
reader who isn't in your program and thus is less likely to know 
who your client is or what facility you work with him at.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 23:34:51 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers

Hi all,

The main issue is that I cannot hire just any person through
Disability Services because the nature of what I need them to 
read
needs to stay confidential.  If DS were to hire a non-music 
therapy
major currently enrolled in a practicum course of which there are
about 10 or so of us, they would also need to go through my music
therapy faculty and sign off on other documentation.  Is it 
possible
to tell DS I need a particular student hired if the student is 
willing
to be recognized officially in that capacity?  I'm not asking 
this to
be picky; I have a DS-hired lab assistant for my anatomy lab who 
isn't
a science major and has no prior experience with blind people, 
and
he's working out fine so I have nothing against the hiring 
process and
letting them find people.  I need to abide by professional
competencies and standards of clinical practice, which are very 
strict
on confidentiality and ethics for good reason.

I am going to discuss payment with the classmate in person, 
because I
started trying to text her about it when we were setting up the
meeting time and that felt really awkward.  I think negotiating 
that
in person will go a lot better for both of us.  I'm glad to know 
I
wasn't far off the mark; lunch at the little bistro in our 
building
might also be a fair-priced but enticing form of payment, as I 
know
this person is pretty busy and probably could use someone picking 
up
in-building lunch costs at some point (I believe sandwitches and
salads are around $5).

On 10/12/15, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Kaiti. I think buying your reader a drink from Starbucks is 
about
 the right amount to pay for a half-hour of work. When I was an
 undergrad ten years ago, (has it been that long?) I was told the 
going
 rate was $7. By now it's probably gone up to $10 or so, so a $5 
drink
 seems about right.
 Using a DSS employee has its ups and downs. If you will need a 
lot of
 reading time, it could save you money. On the downside, it can 
take
 some time to get the reader job set up, and when you use a DSS
 employee, you sometimes lose some control over the management 
process.
 I once had a lab assistant hired by DSS, and in the beginning 
she had
 problems with showing up to my class late. It frustrated me that 
I
 couldn't directly fire her if she was repeatedly late, and that
 getting a replacement would take several weeks. Fortunately my 
lab
 assistant did get better about punctuality, but my point is that 
you
 do lose some control and some efficiency if you go the DSS 
route.
 Anyway, I'm glad you found someone who is interested and I hope 
the
 reading relationship goes well. In the best cases, a reading
 relationship can be mutually beneficial to both people involved.
 Best, Arielle

 On 10/12/15, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Kaiti,
 If it's something related to your coursework, one route u could 
take is
 have
 your reader hired by the disability service office.
 A down side of this could be having to go through the hiring 
process.
 If circumstances work out, you could have a student who is 
already hired
 by
 the office as your reader, and that student could log his/her 
reading
 time
 into the time sheet.
 I hope this makes sense and is helpful.
 Miso

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 12, 2015, at 7:59 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi all,

 I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last 
thread
 know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
 handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office 
or
 Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my 
field.
 One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing 
to read
 the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that 
they'll
 be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
 process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so 
I'm
 not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this 
typically
 work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, 
but I
 said that more because I had no clue how much or how little 
would be
 fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from 
Starbucks
 or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
 minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot 
for?
 Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.

 --
 Kaiti Shelton
 University of Dayton-Music Therapy
 President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
 Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
 Division 2015-2016

 "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you 
back!"

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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 13 13:28:59 2015
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 08:28:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
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  I don't remember if I said this on here before, but very wise advise 
you guys give for readers! concept which here in Mexico isn't known, or 
maybe it is but who knows. At least I hadn't heard of it until mentioned 
on here.

El 12/10/2015 10:30 p.m., Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi Kaiti,
>
> I've heard of recognition software for android too, but IMO you are 
> better off with a reader.
> Readers can intrerpet things more accurately  anyway.
>
> In terms of cost, this is a short thing not an ongoing thing.
> About 30 minutes is not much time. I'd suggest either paying the 
> reader 5 dollars in cash or something equivalent. Some ideas that I 
> think are fair compensation for that are a small meal, snack on 
> campus, a starbucks coffee or a small gift card.
> Personally, I've paid readers out of pocket as my folks can support 
> that. The va rehab services can do it, but I hate the fact they only 
> pay minimum wage, and I have a hard enough time getting reliable 
> readers paying a higher rate. I pay readers, usually for library 
> research, at rate of 10 dollars an hour.
>
> Good luck and   I hope they rread well.
> The reader should read slowly and will probably need to tell you about 
> punctuation and paragraph changes which are important in song lyrics.
> Its not the easiest thing to read another's handwriting, so I hope it 
> works out alright.
>
> HTH,
> ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 11:12 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
>
> Well, I have a few hesitations with that.  First, I'm interested in it
> but does it store the handwriting images or the converted images in
> any form?  I'm skeptical of it for that reason because These lyrics
> are part of music therapy sessions and need to stay confidential for
> client privacy and for professional ethics on my end.  If I cannot
> guarantee that the files are not stored in any way I can't use it.  I
> do not have a droid device, so it would have to run off of a PC or an
> IPhone which I doubt it would.  Also, I already have the human reader
> lined up for a date and time so I'm more interested in making sure
> that I adequately pay her since I didn't know about this other option
> from my first thread and have the time to investigate it further
> before booking the human reader.  I will check it out to have as a
> tool for personal use, though.
>
> On 10/12/15, john mestemacher via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am not sure if this could help but android lollipop has incredible and
>> writing recognition software. I think it runs through Google. Maybe look
>> into that.
>> On Oct 12, 2015 22:00, "Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I finally broke down per lack of choice (those who saw my last thread
>>> know why) and emailed my classmates to get a human reader for
>>> handwritten documents which can not be handled by the DS office or
>>> Robo Braille due to confidentiality and ethics concerns in my field.
>>> One of my classmates responded tonight and said she is willing to read
>>> the documents to me.  They're song lyrics and I suspect that they'll
>>> be fairly simple for her to read, and that we'll get through the
>>> process quickly enough, but I have never had a reader before so I'm
>>> not sure how best to offer fair payment.  How does this typically
>>> work?  I mentioned in my email that we could work something out, but I
>>> said that more because I had no clue how much or how little would be
>>> fair (though I am willing to pay the person in a drink from Starbucks
>>> or something if they prefer that over cash).  We've set aside 25
>>> minutes to read these three documents, so what should I shoot for?
>>> Thanks to those of you who have advised me so far on this.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>> Division 2015-2016
>>>
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct 14 00:30:54 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:30:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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Afternoon, Robin,

         Sing it LOUD! What often perplexes me 
about this people-first construct is that the 
person, I feel, doesn't exist without mentioning 
whatever is their master status, that is, what 
characteristic defines them. In other words, why, 
how, would you, could you, shake the blindness 
out of the person, or the person out of a state 
of being that is an ocular darkness?Besides, like 
you, I am forever embracing of my blindness, and 
as my position as a blastomite, but as you so 
rightly state, it oughta be left to the 
individual.  At :23 PM 10/10/2015, Robin via nabs-l wrote:
>You ask me, why would I Wave TheBanner of 
>MyBlindness? Well, I would because I'm ProudOfIt 
>& not AshamedOfIt. I'm not Ashamed of any of 
>MyAttributes (Portuguese-Black-Filipino 
>Heritage) nor am I of MyBlindness. I want to 
>Celebrate it all. If an Employer isn't 
>GoingToHire me simply because of MyBlindness, 
>then they are Discriminating AgainstMe & as far 
>as I know, that's against TheLaw.
>
>You have TheOption of NotDisclosing yours, I 
>should have TheOption of disclosing mine without 
>being negatively affected if I choose to 
>disclose it. I thought Federationists are Proud 
>of TheirBlindness, but as far as those, who are 
>ChimingIn on ThisThread, I guess/presume, I'm wrong.
>
>I'm Blind & I'm ProudOfIt Among OtherThings
>At 12:11 PM 10/10/2015, you wrote:
>>Robin, why would you hold blindness up as a 
>>banner to wave in the wind?  I'd rather hold up 
>>my skills which I have worked so hard to learn 
>>and master.  Deciding not to disclose has know 
>>baring on whether blindness is or is not a 
>>nuisance; I'm either good enough as a writer or 
>>not. Justin. Justin -----Original Message----- 
>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>On Behalf Of Robin via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>>October 10, 2015 2:58 PM To: National 
>>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> Cc: Robin 
>><robin-melvin at comcast.net> Subject: Re: 
>>[nabs-l] disclosing blindness If you don't 
>>disclose your Blindness, isn't that simply 
>>reinforcing the Stereotype of Blindness as 
>>something more than a nusance? I suggest 
>>BeingProud of it, and disclosing it. How are 
>>"we" supposed ToChange Public'sPerception if 
>>"we" don't start. (Note: this is just my 
>>(humble) opinion - Take It OR Leave It) 
>>Everyone's view(s) are equally important on 
>>this topic. I just felt it necessary to 
>>indicate mine especially if others on ThisList 
>>feel the same as I do, but are discouraged from 
>>sharing due to the enormous responses 
>>indicating otherwise. At 11:37 AM 10/10/2015, 
>>you wrote: >I would have to agree! If you are 
>>submitting a paper to a journal, you >want to 
>>be known as an amazing writer. Period. You do 
>>not want to be >known as someone who is an 
>>amazing writer despite your blindness. 
>>This >type of qualification serves to minimize 
>>your accomplishments, and you >worked hard to 
>>get where you are, blindness or not! On Sat, 
>>Oct 10, >2015 at 1:13 PM, Aleeha Dudley via 
>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > >In all 
>>honesty, I do not disclose my blindness 
>>directly unless it is > >absolutely necessary. 
>>I find that it gives the opportunity for a 
>>person >who > does not know me to make 
>>judgments about me before meeting 
>>me, >especially > given the stereotypes of 
>>blindness that are so prevalent. >I will not > 
>>disclose on a resume, or in other important 
>>documents >related to employment > or academic 
>>work. I prefer to do that >disclosure in 
>>person, so that I may > try to influence 
>>someone’s >attitude about me through my own 
>>behavior. >. > > On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:07 >PM, 
>>kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>>wrote: > > > > Good >afternoon 
>>all,              I am currently >submitting 
>>one of my > literature papers to my 
>>university's >undergraduate research journal 
>>and > they require that I submit a bio. >This 
>>led me to ponder whether I should > include my 
>>blindness in this >bio and when we, in general, 
>>choose to > disclose our blindness. In >most 
>>instances, I only bring it up when > 
>>necessary. >Additionally, although I am , in no 
>>way, uncomfortable with > sharing >my 
>>disability, I do not want it to become the 
>>central part of my > bio >or in anyway 
>>overshadow my work.  I would just like to open 
>>up a > >discussion regarding when we mention 
>>our blindness and whether that > >disclosure 
>>may, in some capacity, overshadow or modify 
>>our >accomplishments. > > 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 02:38:34 2015
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:38:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
Message-ID: <561dc043.64208c0a.9c8bd.ffffc326@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I love this conversation because so often we talk about 
disclosing blindness in a job setting, but the really significant 
piece of this thread is that though it is professional, it is not 
at all about getting a job.  In an academic setting, with no 
interview, no job on the line, published given that it is 
grammatically correct and makes sense, why not include blindness 
if it's something that's important to you.  Why not show that we 
the blind are well read, great writers, good researchers etc.? In 
this case, it's a simple bio, no one is bringing a camera and 
putting you on the news to create "disability porn" (sorry if I 
got the phrase wrong lol).  Sometimes people are so wrapped up in 
what others will think that they forget to think about themselves 
first.  Your bio shows relevant or very important parts of your 
life that you choose to let others know about.  Whether or not 
you decide to include blindness or any other physical 
characteristic is solely your choice and you should not be judged 
for it one way or another.  I personally, would only include 
things that relate to my major or hobbies.
Darian made some really great points in his post, and I would 
like to answer a few of his questions (though I know they were 
rhetorical):
D: Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site? Is 
Disclosure different in a academic setting?
L: I'm going to also add is it different in a work environment.  
Yes.  They are three completely different areas where you are 
trying to convey three different things.  In a work environment 
you're trying to make sure that no one is discriminating against 
you, and you're trying to prove that you can do the same amount 
of work as your sighted counter parts.  In an academic 
environment, you know that you can't be discriminated against, so 
you can be very open about your blindness and from there you just 
need to show that you are a competent, hardworking student.  In a 
dating environment, you can totally be discriminated against, 
also you're trying to be attractive in many ways.  However,  it's 
not good to leave blindness out because if you like someone and 
vice versa, they're going to know that you are blind eventually.  
Since this thread is related to an academic setting, I'm all for 
disclosing, because there really aren't any downfalls.
D: And how different is the disclosure of blindness from 
disclosure of being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina, 
asian, etc?
L: I don't think they are different at all, they are 
characteristics that make you who you are and in an open-ended 
setting, you can disclose them whenever you're ready...
So...  Is blindness an important part of your life? Is it 
something that you'd like to share with people? Does it relate to 
anything else in your bio? In your published work?
I'm curious to know what the original poster decides to do,
Lizzy


From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 02:38:32 2015
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 22:38:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fair payment for readers
Message-ID: <561dc041.64208c0a.9c8bd.ffffc325@mx.google.com>

Hi Kaiti,
I would actually have to disagree with Ashley here and say that 
it really depends on your school and your relationship with the 
DS office.  At my school things are pretty flexible so my DS 
coordinator loves it when either professors or I suggest students 
for positions.  She already knows that they are well qualified 
for the job, and after that it's just a matter of scheduling.  
So, for future reference, I would say look into what your DSO is 
willing to do (it never hurts to ask).  In this case, I would go 
for buying food or some other small gift as payment.  Also, the 
gift/meal together could give the two of you more time to get to 
know each other or leave a good memory for the future.  Someone 
on here said that the relationship between you and your reader 
has the potential to help the both of you and that is so true.
Good luck with this, I hope you find it helpful!
Lizzy


From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Oct 14 19:07:40 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 14:07:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <561dc043.64208c0a.9c8bd.ffffc326@mx.google.com>
References: <561dc043.64208c0a.9c8bd.ffffc326@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4D+QmJGOm_mXHnU1RgG017j16DkqOovofY7hKihWM4jUvA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is a great topic.  Here's my rule for resumes and bios: Say what
you do rather than what you are.

I am proud of who I am, but future employers don't really care about
that on paper.  They might care when I come in for an interview, but
before then, I like to focus on what I have done.  Since much of my
relevant experience outside of the music world comes from the NFB or
other disability-related work, they might gather that I am blind.
Then again, they might not.  I have learned over the years (I'm really
not that old :)) that people know less than we think they do about
blindness organizations, assistive technology, and disability
anything.  I mean... Forget about knowing what a screen reader is,
they may not even understand that the adaptive computing technology
center, which is where I currently work, is a place where I deal
mainly with assistive technology and issues of web accessibility.

If I apply for a job at an independent living center or some other
place geared towards people with disabilities, then they will
understand the terminology and appreciate it, but the general public
will likely not know exactly what it is I do, let alone that I am
blind.

I stick to what I do, don't lie about my experience, and let them
think what they will.  If they suspect that I am blind and do not call
me in for an interview, I probably didn't want to work for them
anyway.  Of course, my confident attitude may not serve me as well
come January when I will no longer be a student, but I believe it to
be true.

On 10/13/15, Lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I love this conversation because so often we talk about
> disclosing blindness in a job setting, but the really significant
> piece of this thread is that though it is professional, it is not
> at all about getting a job.  In an academic setting, with no
> interview, no job on the line, published given that it is
> grammatically correct and makes sense, why not include blindness
> if it's something that's important to you.  Why not show that we
> the blind are well read, great writers, good researchers etc.? In
> this case, it's a simple bio, no one is bringing a camera and
> putting you on the news to create "disability porn" (sorry if I
> got the phrase wrong lol).  Sometimes people are so wrapped up in
> what others will think that they forget to think about themselves
> first.  Your bio shows relevant or very important parts of your
> life that you choose to let others know about.  Whether or not
> you decide to include blindness or any other physical
> characteristic is solely your choice and you should not be judged
> for it one way or another.  I personally, would only include
> things that relate to my major or hobbies.
> Darian made some really great points in his post, and I would
> like to answer a few of his questions (though I know they were
> rhetorical):
> D: Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site? Is
> Disclosure different in a academic setting?
> L: I'm going to also add is it different in a work environment.
> Yes.  They are three completely different areas where you are
> trying to convey three different things.  In a work environment
> you're trying to make sure that no one is discriminating against
> you, and you're trying to prove that you can do the same amount
> of work as your sighted counter parts.  In an academic
> environment, you know that you can't be discriminated against, so
> you can be very open about your blindness and from there you just
> need to show that you are a competent, hardworking student.  In a
> dating environment, you can totally be discriminated against,
> also you're trying to be attractive in many ways.  However,  it's
> not good to leave blindness out because if you like someone and
> vice versa, they're going to know that you are blind eventually.
> Since this thread is related to an academic setting, I'm all for
> disclosing, because there really aren't any downfalls.
> D: And how different is the disclosure of blindness from
> disclosure of being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina,
> asian, etc?
> L: I don't think they are different at all, they are
> characteristics that make you who you are and in an open-ended
> setting, you can disclose them whenever you're ready...
> So...  Is blindness an important part of your life? Is it
> something that you'd like to share with people? Does it relate to
> anything else in your bio? In your published work?
> I'm curious to know what the original poster decides to do,
> Lizzy
>
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-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 01:06:22 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:06:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
Message-ID: <561efc27.c4db440a.84d1.155f@mx.google.com>

Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max 
volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?


From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 01:45:55 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:45:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
In-Reply-To: <561efc27.c4db440a.84d1.155f@mx.google.com>
References: <561efc27.c4db440a.84d1.155f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <99BAD605-4212-4FE5-A4E9-5819F267F3D1@gmail.com>

Hi,

I also have a Toshiba but the volume controls depend on the model. If it's a newer model, than it's usually (CTRL) + (F7) or one of the other function keys. 

Meaghan



> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:06 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 01:50:12 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:50:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
Message-ID: <561f066d.4187440a.b7ca0.1705@mx.google.com>

how do you get vthe volume up or down?

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:45:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10

Hi,

I also have a Toshiba but the volume controls depend on the 
model.  If it's a newer model, than it's usually (CTRL) + (F7) or 
one of the other function keys.

Meaghan



 On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:06 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max 
volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?

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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 01:50:51 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 18:50:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
Message-ID: <561f0694.e164420a.7006d.1967@mx.google.com>

i have a 2013 model.  How do I change this? This is diving me 
crazy.  The youtube vido was literally blasting like a fire alarm 
that would go off.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:45:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10

Hi,

I also have a Toshiba but the volume controls depend on the 
model.  If it's a newer model, than it's usually (CTRL) + (F7) or 
one of the other function keys.

Meaghan



 On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:06 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max 
volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?

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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 02:32:42 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
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On mine it is (CTRL) + (F7) to reduce the volume. You could also just turn it down on the desktop. 

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
President of Wheelock Student Theater 
Vice President of the Nerd & Gaming Association of Wheelock College
Wheelock College Class of 2018
ropermeaghan at gmail.com
781-315-2720

> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> i have a 2013 model.  How do I change this? This is diving me crazy.  The youtube vido was literally blasting like a fire alarm that would go off.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:45:55 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I also have a Toshiba but the volume controls depend on the model.  If it's a newer model, than it's usually (CTRL) + (F7) or one of the other function keys.
> 
> Meaghan
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:06 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 02:56:25 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:56:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10
Message-ID: <561f15f1.63a3440a.41fd6.1e10@mx.google.com>

How do you turn it up?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 22:32:42 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10

On mine it is (CTRL) + (F7) to reduce the volume.  You could also 
just turn it down on the desktop.

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
President of Wheelock Student Theater
Vice President of the Nerd & Gaming Association of Wheelock 
College
Wheelock College Class of 2018
ropermeaghan at gmail.com
781-315-2720

 On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:50 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 i have a 2013 model.  How do I change this? This is diving me 
crazy.  The youtube vido was literally blasting like a fire alarm 
that would go off.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 21:45:55 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] youtube videos on windows 10

 Hi,

 I also have a Toshiba but the volume controls depend on the 
model.  If it's a newer model, than it's usually (CTRL) + (F7) or 
one of the other function keys.

 Meaghan



 On Oct 14, 2015, at 9:06 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi, I have a toshiba laptop and my youtube vidos play at max 
volume.  How do I quickly ajust the volume?

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From freethaught at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 03:58:58 2015
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 23:58:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality
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Hi Kaiti,

I would personally ask a member of the treatment team, or administrator to type up the material, and email it to you. this way you reach out to someone in the organization who is already exposed
 to client information, and bound by the same confidentiality rules you are supposed to follow.

I would not be too concerned with doing the entirety of your job with zero, or close to no accommodations at all. Some times we do need help to get at things, and hand-written materials are definitely a special case.

Reaching out to a member of your team not only builds team work, but also helps educate the team about your technology, how you do things, and how you might need help.

Your independence is of tremendous value, but I think some times we must not turn away needed help on the basis of principle.

Just my thoughts.

Antonio










> On Oct 9, 2015, at 6:57 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I previously posted about this issue on the human services list but
> have not gotten any suggestions for how to handle this challenge that
> suit my needs.  I got similar answers from a group of blind music
> therapists, but as both groups tend to be comprised of older folks I'm
> hoping I might get some more satisfactory answers here from people who
> know more about technology or why I might not want a reader other than
> just being a stubborn whippersnapper.
> 
> I am a music therapy student and for my practicum this semester I am
> working one-on-one with a young man who has Down Syndrome.  We have
> developed a great therapeutic relationship over the past few weeks,
> and the theoretical models I've used have worked wonderfully.
> Reciprocity is one of the core values of the format, which is great
> because it allows for him and I to help each other, and for him to
> take some of the responsibility and gain self-affirmation and success
> from that.  (Music-centered, client-centered, and resource-oriented
> music therapy are the principles I'm using in case anyone is
> interested).
> 
> In one of our sessions this week the client brought in a spiral
> notebook with some handwritten song lyrics that he had composed
> himself.  It was clear that he was seeking musical support and wanted
> me to work with him to shape the songs into musical works.  My role in
> this case would be to help him by forming the melodic material and the
> chord progressions for the harmonic structure, but that was extremely
> difficult for me to do without access to his lyrics.  I think he did
> feel like he got something out of it because he did a bit of
> directing, but it would be nice to really shape the song into
> something unique (he identified that he wanted a pop sound and chose
> to sing it along to the harmonic structure of "Fight Song," with my
> supervisor and I playing in addition to the recording of Fight Song to
> back him up).
> 
> In the following session the client agreed to let my supervisor make
> coppies of the notebook pages, and she took pictures of them using a
> scanner app on her phone and sent them to me as image PDFs.  OCR won't
> work on these since they're handwritten, so I'm still somewhat stuck
> in accessibility.  The real catch comes in how to make them accessible
> since I am not quite sure what the terms of the informed consent are
> (the degree coordinators handle that as this is still fairly early in
> my practicum sequence) and I also don't know what I can do on my end
> to be ethical.  I don't know if going through disability services or
> robo braille is an option because I can't guarantee that the files are
> destroyed once I get my coppies of them.  My professor suggested that
> we wave the usual requirements of not sharing more than superficial
> information between clinical teams and have a classmate read the
> lyrics to me so I can write them down, since I need to get them
> somehow.  However, I think this is something I need to figure out how
> to handle on my own because I may very well have this situation crop
> up in the professional world and may not be able to run to classmates
> or colleagues busy with their own work to do that.  Additionally, call
> me stubborn, but I'm the type of person that avoids readers at all
> costs because I want to be independent and not bother other people
> with my workload, especially peers.
> 
> That aside, when I emailed this to the human services list I received
> one response in which the clinician lectured me on how I should have
> the client read his lyrics to me so I can write them down in an
> accessible format, and I can use it as a way to educate him on how I
> adapt, how self-disclosure can be beneficial for the therapeutic
> relationship, etc.  I am well aware of these facts and have strived to
> self-disclose my blindness in ways that are beneficial to my client.
> We talked about it in the first session I had with him and he receives
> reminders of why he needs to tell me what he's pointing to or say what
> he wants as needed.  He has even read lyrics of songs I've printed out
> for us to work on for me a few times so I can find where he is looking
> on the page and guide him to the right spot.  He has heard voiceover
> and understands what it does for my phone on a basic level, as well as
> seen my cane and notetaker before.  I think considering his level of
> cognitive functioning that he understands it as well as he can and
> with reminders that I've been giving him will understand it possibly a
> little more as we continue working together.  On another note, I'm not
> willing to sacrifice valuable session time which could be used to
> address our goals for him to read to me.  This is because although
> give and take is very important in our relationship, I think that
> would be overdoing it.  It takes him longer to process and read things
> out loud, and sometimes I have to clarify what he says because his
> speech isn't always clear.  I think we'd at least sacrifice the
> majority of a session if not more with just getting the information
> into my computer and checking that it is correct, and that is not
> something I'm willing to do-to sacrifice a client's treatment for my
> own accommodations.  That's a principle I think I would stick to in
> the professional world, so I'm really looking for something that will
> allow me to independently and effectively get accessible versions of
> his song lyrics while maintaining professional and ethical standards
> of practice regarding confidentiality.
> 
> Any suggestions or methods any of you have used for navigating these
> issues would be appreciated.  With fall break my next session isn't
> until Wednesday, but I'd like to have time to look over the lyrics to
> see how I can best be of support.
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Oct 15 15:58:22 2015
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 09:58:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a Not So Spooky Raffle That Benefits the Blind of Colorado,
	Happy Halloween!
Message-ID: <00d901d10762$6d1028a0$473079e0$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency or $3500 in cash.  This year, our raffle is even better.
Instead of just one prize, there will be three in the amounts of $2500,
$1000, and $500.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawings will take place on October  31st
(Halloween) and you do not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle
<http://www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle>  to purchase tickets online
or call 303 504-5979 where Lisa will be happy to take orders over the phone.
Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 30th at noon Mountain time.

 

I thank you again for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs
such as our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a
talking newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by sending
a reply email.

Thanks again!

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Oct 15 16:05:52 2015
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 10:05:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a Not So Spooky Raffle That Benefits the Blind of Colorado,
	Happy Halloween!
Message-ID: <00e701d10763$7f653170$7e2f9450$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency or $3500 in cash.  This year, our raffle is even better.
Instead of just one prize, there will be three in the amounts of $2500,
$1000, and $500.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawings will take place on October  31st
(Halloween) and you do not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle
<http://www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle>  to purchase tickets online
or call 303 504-5979 where Lisa will be happy to take orders over the phone.
Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 30th at noon Mountain time.

 

I thank you again for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs
such as our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a
talking newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by sending
a reply email.

Thanks again!

 

 


From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 16:42:14 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:42:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Call For State Updates
Message-ID: <0D62E27D-F257-40EF-A1BC-ABB98F1C460F@gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists, 
We are approaching the end of the month, so once again it is time to share any updates that your state student division has with NABS. If your student division has any updates that they would like to be included in this month's edition of the NABS Notes, please send them to me by Monday, October 19th by the end of the day at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com. 
I look forward to reading and including your updates. If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me at the above email address. 
All Best, 
Hindley Williams               

   

From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 15 21:33:19 2015
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 14:33:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Handwritten pages, accessibility, and confidentiality
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZa=xiomuu77P5P17B4-MGbaAaJJmWVAe5afQ7o9HPUTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEE166D7-19DB-4107-B36E-C867820B850A@gmail.com>

You mentioned that your supervisor took part in the session. Why don't they read you his lyrics, since I'm assuming they have access to them anyway? Another poster is right. You aren't the only one involved in his treatment, why not utilize the resource you have in those other people? I have a lot of fears about not being seen as an equal in my department, so a lot of times I refuse to ask for any help and sometimes do less well as a result. But the thing is, sighted people don't stand completely alone either, why should we? I understand not wanting to rely on other people for your success, or to be perceived as if you are; but I don't think asking another person on the treatment team to read some lyrics aloud so you can type them up is going to suddenly make them think that you're incapable and incompetent. It may even lead them to think the opposite. I definitely understand not wanting to use an outside source, I would feel pretty uncomfortable about that myself, especially for confidential items. I wish I could think of a way to take another human out of the equation, but unless your client can type on a computer, I just don't know. Sorry for the long reply. 

Alana
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2015, at 15:57, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I previously posted about this issue on the human services list but
> have not gotten any suggestions for how to handle this challenge that
> suit my needs.  I got similar answers from a group of blind music
> therapists, but as both groups tend to be comprised of older folks I'm
> hoping I might get some more satisfactory answers here from people who
> know more about technology or why I might not want a reader other than
> just being a stubborn whippersnapper.
> 
> I am a music therapy student and for my practicum this semester I am
> working one-on-one with a young man who has Down Syndrome.  We have
> developed a great therapeutic relationship over the past few weeks,
> and the theoretical models I've used have worked wonderfully.
> Reciprocity is one of the core values of the format, which is great
> because it allows for him and I to help each other, and for him to
> take some of the responsibility and gain self-affirmation and success
> from that.  (Music-centered, client-centered, and resource-oriented
> music therapy are the principles I'm using in case anyone is
> interested).
> 
> In one of our sessions this week the client brought in a spiral
> notebook with some handwritten song lyrics that he had composed
> himself.  It was clear that he was seeking musical support and wanted
> me to work with him to shape the songs into musical works.  My role in
> this case would be to help him by forming the melodic material and the
> chord progressions for the harmonic structure, but that was extremely
> difficult for me to do without access to his lyrics.  I think he did
> feel like he got something out of it because he did a bit of
> directing, but it would be nice to really shape the song into
> something unique (he identified that he wanted a pop sound and chose
> to sing it along to the harmonic structure of "Fight Song," with my
> supervisor and I playing in addition to the recording of Fight Song to
> back him up).
> 
> In the following session the client agreed to let my supervisor make
> coppies of the notebook pages, and she took pictures of them using a
> scanner app on her phone and sent them to me as image PDFs.  OCR won't
> work on these since they're handwritten, so I'm still somewhat stuck
> in accessibility.  The real catch comes in how to make them accessible
> since I am not quite sure what the terms of the informed consent are
> (the degree coordinators handle that as this is still fairly early in
> my practicum sequence) and I also don't know what I can do on my end
> to be ethical.  I don't know if going through disability services or
> robo braille is an option because I can't guarantee that the files are
> destroyed once I get my coppies of them.  My professor suggested that
> we wave the usual requirements of not sharing more than superficial
> information between clinical teams and have a classmate read the
> lyrics to me so I can write them down, since I need to get them
> somehow.  However, I think this is something I need to figure out how
> to handle on my own because I may very well have this situation crop
> up in the professional world and may not be able to run to classmates
> or colleagues busy with their own work to do that.  Additionally, call
> me stubborn, but I'm the type of person that avoids readers at all
> costs because I want to be independent and not bother other people
> with my workload, especially peers.
> 
> That aside, when I emailed this to the human services list I received
> one response in which the clinician lectured me on how I should have
> the client read his lyrics to me so I can write them down in an
> accessible format, and I can use it as a way to educate him on how I
> adapt, how self-disclosure can be beneficial for the therapeutic
> relationship, etc.  I am well aware of these facts and have strived to
> self-disclose my blindness in ways that are beneficial to my client.
> We talked about it in the first session I had with him and he receives
> reminders of why he needs to tell me what he's pointing to or say what
> he wants as needed.  He has even read lyrics of songs I've printed out
> for us to work on for me a few times so I can find where he is looking
> on the page and guide him to the right spot.  He has heard voiceover
> and understands what it does for my phone on a basic level, as well as
> seen my cane and notetaker before.  I think considering his level of
> cognitive functioning that he understands it as well as he can and
> with reminders that I've been giving him will understand it possibly a
> little more as we continue working together.  On another note, I'm not
> willing to sacrifice valuable session time which could be used to
> address our goals for him to read to me.  This is because although
> give and take is very important in our relationship, I think that
> would be overdoing it.  It takes him longer to process and read things
> out loud, and sometimes I have to clarify what he says because his
> speech isn't always clear.  I think we'd at least sacrifice the
> majority of a session if not more with just getting the information
> into my computer and checking that it is correct, and that is not
> something I'm willing to do-to sacrifice a client's treatment for my
> own accommodations.  That's a principle I think I would stick to in
> the professional world, so I'm really looking for something that will
> allow me to independently and effectively get accessible versions of
> his song lyrics while maintaining professional and ethical standards
> of practice regarding confidentiality.
> 
> Any suggestions or methods any of you have used for navigating these
> issues would be appreciated.  With fall break my next session isn't
> until Wednesday, but I'd like to have time to look over the lyrics to
> see how I can best be of support.
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 17:16:20 2015
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 18:16:20 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4D+QmJGOm_mXHnU1RgG017j16DkqOovofY7hKihWM4jUvA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAHox4D+QmJGOm_mXHnU1RgG017j16DkqOovofY7hKihWM4jUvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJcYH6-95bLBxwRvaJo6RjYMReOJ7cbgvEE_cVzcs3cQqAgkjg@mail.gmail.com>

I aggree with Robin on this. I disclose my blindness in relation to
everything I get involved in and sometimes, I let people know I'm
registered blind before I apply for whatever the job/event is. It's
not what you say, it's how you say it. It's a matter of how you
present your disability. Portray it like a shadow and that's all it
will be. Weave it into how you have acquired particular skills and it
will be perfectly relevant. As for me, it's a key part of who I am as
a person and hiding it until an in person interview would be extremely
discourtius! If someone did that to me; said nothing until the 11th
hour, I would think, "Hmm. If she kept that rather important thing to
herself until now, what else is she hiding?"

Everyone has their opinion and everyone is different.
Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 10/14/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is a great topic.  Here's my rule for resumes and bios: Say what
> you do rather than what you are.
>
> I am proud of who I am, but future employers don't really care about
> that on paper.  They might care when I come in for an interview, but
> before then, I like to focus on what I have done.  Since much of my
> relevant experience outside of the music world comes from the NFB or
> other disability-related work, they might gather that I am blind.
> Then again, they might not.  I have learned over the years (I'm really
> not that old :)) that people know less than we think they do about
> blindness organizations, assistive technology, and disability
> anything.  I mean... Forget about knowing what a screen reader is,
> they may not even understand that the adaptive computing technology
> center, which is where I currently work, is a place where I deal
> mainly with assistive technology and issues of web accessibility.
>
> If I apply for a job at an independent living center or some other
> place geared towards people with disabilities, then they will
> understand the terminology and appreciate it, but the general public
> will likely not know exactly what it is I do, let alone that I am
> blind.
>
> I stick to what I do, don't lie about my experience, and let them
> think what they will.  If they suspect that I am blind and do not call
> me in for an interview, I probably didn't want to work for them
> anyway.  Of course, my confident attitude may not serve me as well
> come January when I will no longer be a student, but I believe it to
> be true.
>
> On 10/13/15, Lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I love this conversation because so often we talk about
>> disclosing blindness in a job setting, but the really significant
>> piece of this thread is that though it is professional, it is not
>> at all about getting a job.  In an academic setting, with no
>> interview, no job on the line, published given that it is
>> grammatically correct and makes sense, why not include blindness
>> if it's something that's important to you.  Why not show that we
>> the blind are well read, great writers, good researchers etc.? In
>> this case, it's a simple bio, no one is bringing a camera and
>> putting you on the news to create "disability porn" (sorry if I
>> got the phrase wrong lol).  Sometimes people are so wrapped up in
>> what others will think that they forget to think about themselves
>> first.  Your bio shows relevant or very important parts of your
>> life that you choose to let others know about.  Whether or not
>> you decide to include blindness or any other physical
>> characteristic is solely your choice and you should not be judged
>> for it one way or another.  I personally, would only include
>> things that relate to my major or hobbies.
>> Darian made some really great points in his post, and I would
>> like to answer a few of his questions (though I know they were
>> rhetorical):
>> D: Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site? Is
>> Disclosure different in a academic setting?
>> L: I'm going to also add is it different in a work environment.
>> Yes.  They are three completely different areas where you are
>> trying to convey three different things.  In a work environment
>> you're trying to make sure that no one is discriminating against
>> you, and you're trying to prove that you can do the same amount
>> of work as your sighted counter parts.  In an academic
>> environment, you know that you can't be discriminated against, so
>> you can be very open about your blindness and from there you just
>> need to show that you are a competent, hardworking student.  In a
>> dating environment, you can totally be discriminated against,
>> also you're trying to be attractive in many ways.  However,  it's
>> not good to leave blindness out because if you like someone and
>> vice versa, they're going to know that you are blind eventually.
>> Since this thread is related to an academic setting, I'm all for
>> disclosing, because there really aren't any downfalls.
>> D: And how different is the disclosure of blindness from
>> disclosure of being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina,
>> asian, etc?
>> L: I don't think they are different at all, they are
>> characteristics that make you who you are and in an open-ended
>> setting, you can disclose them whenever you're ready...
>> So...  Is blindness an important part of your life? Is it
>> something that you'd like to share with people? Does it relate to
>> anything else in your bio? In your published work?
>> I'm curious to know what the original poster decides to do,
>> Lizzy
>>
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>
>
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 16 23:20:43 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 19:20:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Adding songs to an existing spotify playlist
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9imN+Ne1JoNN9yxvEv3h5BGANMe6bYEgsKpWGLyQtSgHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I am leading a retreat through my college, and my retreat director is
asking that the leaders add songs to a spotify playlist. I tried
clicking on the link but it only brought me to the player and nothing
else. Is there a way for me to add songs through the app or an
accessible way to do it on the website?

Thanks,
Minh

-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Oct 17 00:40:07 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 17:40:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
In-Reply-To: <CAJcYH6-95bLBxwRvaJo6RjYMReOJ7cbgvEE_cVzcs3cQqAgkjg@mail.g
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Afternoon, Sandra,

         Those are my precise Sentiments, and I couldn't have put it 
so succinctly!
Thank you for that, Sandra.
  Car
At 10:16 AM 10/16/2015, you wrote:
>I aggree with Robin on this. I disclose my blindness in relation to
>everything I get involved in and sometimes, I let people know I'm
>registered blind before I apply for whatever the job/event is. It's
>not what you say, it's how you say it. It's a matter of how you
>present your disability. Portray it like a shadow and that's all it
>will be. Weave it into how you have acquired particular skills and it
>will be perfectly relevant. As for me, it's a key part of who I am as
>a person and hiding it until an in person interview would be extremely
>discourtius! If someone did that to me; said nothing until the 11th
>hour, I would think, "Hmm. If she kept that rather important thing to
>herself until now, what else is she hiding?"
>
>Everyone has their opinion and everyone is different.
>Very best wishes,
>Sandra.
>
>On 10/14/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > This is a great topic.  Here's my rule for resumes and bios: Say what
> > you do rather than what you are.
> >
> > I am proud of who I am, but future employers don't really care about
> > that on paper.  They might care when I come in for an interview, but
> > before then, I like to focus on what I have done.  Since much of my
> > relevant experience outside of the music world comes from the NFB or
> > other disability-related work, they might gather that I am blind.
> > Then again, they might not.  I have learned over the years (I'm really
> > not that old :)) that people know less than we think they do about
> > blindness organizations, assistive technology, and disability
> > anything.  I mean... Forget about knowing what a screen reader is,
> > they may not even understand that the adaptive computing technology
> > center, which is where I currently work, is a place where I deal
> > mainly with assistive technology and issues of web accessibility.
> >
> > If I apply for a job at an independent living center or some other
> > place geared towards people with disabilities, then they will
> > understand the terminology and appreciate it, but the general public
> > will likely not know exactly what it is I do, let alone that I am
> > blind.
> >
> > I stick to what I do, don't lie about my experience, and let them
> > think what they will.  If they suspect that I am blind and do not call
> > me in for an interview, I probably didn't want to work for them
> > anyway.  Of course, my confident attitude may not serve me as well
> > come January when I will no longer be a student, but I believe it to
> > be true.
> >
> > On 10/13/15, Lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >> I love this conversation because so often we talk about
> >> disclosing blindness in a job setting, but the really significant
> >> piece of this thread is that though it is professional, it is not
> >> at all about getting a job.  In an academic setting, with no
> >> interview, no job on the line, published given that it is
> >> grammatically correct and makes sense, why not include blindness
> >> if it's something that's important to you.  Why not show that we
> >> the blind are well read, great writers, good researchers etc.? In
> >> this case, it's a simple bio, no one is bringing a camera and
> >> putting you on the news to create "disability porn" (sorry if I
> >> got the phrase wrong lol).  Sometimes people are so wrapped up in
> >> what others will think that they forget to think about themselves
> >> first.  Your bio shows relevant or very important parts of your
> >> life that you choose to let others know about.  Whether or not
> >> you decide to include blindness or any other physical
> >> characteristic is solely your choice and you should not be judged
> >> for it one way or another.  I personally, would only include
> >> things that relate to my major or hobbies.
> >> Darian made some really great points in his post, and I would
> >> like to answer a few of his questions (though I know they were
> >> rhetorical):
> >> D: Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site? Is
> >> Disclosure different in a academic setting?
> >> L: I'm going to also add is it different in a work environment.
> >> Yes.  They are three completely different areas where you are
> >> trying to convey three different things.  In a work environment
> >> you're trying to make sure that no one is discriminating against
> >> you, and you're trying to prove that you can do the same amount
> >> of work as your sighted counter parts.  In an academic
> >> environment, you know that you can't be discriminated against, so
> >> you can be very open about your blindness and from there you just
> >> need to show that you are a competent, hardworking student.  In a
> >> dating environment, you can totally be discriminated against,
> >> also you're trying to be attractive in many ways.  However,  it's
> >> not good to leave blindness out because if you like someone and
> >> vice versa, they're going to know that you are blind eventually.
> >> Since this thread is related to an academic setting, I'm all for
> >> disclosing, because there really aren't any downfalls.
> >> D: And how different is the disclosure of blindness from
> >> disclosure of being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina,
> >> asian, etc?
> >> L: I don't think they are different at all, they are
> >> characteristics that make you who you are and in an open-ended
> >> setting, you can disclose them whenever you're ready...
> >> So...  Is blindness an important part of your life? Is it
> >> something that you'd like to share with people? Does it relate to
> >> anything else in your bio? In your published work?
> >> I'm curious to know what the original poster decides to do,
> >> Lizzy
> >>
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> >
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> > Julie A. McGinnity
> > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> > "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> > 2 Cor. 7
> >
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Oct 17 00:48:41 2015
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 20:48:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Adding songs to an existing spotify playlist
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Hi Minh,
I have not tried adding songs to a playlist shared by someone else, but I have created my own and added songs to it. I don’t know if these directions will help or not. I would use the app, since it is far more accessible. In the app, next to each song is a context menu. Double tap on the context menu and then choose “Add to playlist.” Then a list of your playlists will come up. I don’t know if the shared playlist will appear in that list or not.

Best,
Greg

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:20 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I am leading a retreat through my college, and my retreat director is
> asking that the leaders add songs to a spotify playlist. I tried
> clicking on the link but it only brought me to the player and nothing
> else. Is there a way for me to add songs through the app or an
> accessible way to do it on the website?
> 
> Thanks,
> Minh
> 
> -- 
> Minh Ha
> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
> minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 04:41:40 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:41:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
"Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.

I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.

Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Oct 19 04:53:00 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:53:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Hello,
First I think this applies to a lot of people in a lot of areas.
Especially being female, I think there are a lot of guys who will go
after that and be creepy, regardless of their situations or the fact
that you're blind, so I'm going to answer this email disregarding part
of that. Similarly, there are creepy blind guys who want to know if
you'll swallow them and let them swim around in your stomach (or
indulge them in that fantasy), who want you to tell them what your
hands smell like, etc. You'll find them in any category or group of
people.

I think the most important thing to note here is that if, at any point
you ever feel like you are threatened or that you or your friend are
in any kind of danger, don't wait around to test the waters; get help.
You could talk to campus PD, someone at your wellness center, etc. I
think the next best thing is to try to defuse this situation going on
with him. As you've said, just don't respond to his comments. If given
the chance, perhaps it's easier to make it clear that you're not
looking for a relationship (depending on how he gets subtlety), etc.
Nothing beats just outright saying you're not interested if you feel
like that won't escalate things farther.

There may be much better information coming from people who experience
these problems, but I wanted to throw in my two cents in the hopes
that it can be somewhat helpful. I've noticed that some people with a
"disability" tend to have a thing for/bond with people who are blind,
regardless of the specifics. I'm not sure if this is just going on the
idea that you might understand them better, or that they just feel
more comfortable. I'm not sure if this is the case here, but perhaps
you could make it a point that you'd be happy to talk to him but you
don't really want a relationship.

HTH and good luck,
On 10/19/2015 12:41 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the 
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a 
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started
> a disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my
> cane he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some
> neurological problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd
> behavior isn't something that we're aware of that can be related to
> seizure disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a
> thing for girls with disabilities, and since meeting her has been
> fascinated by blind chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when
> he started sending me really forward facebook messages and
> mentioned my friend, and when I asked her about it the next day she
> half-jokingly referred to him as "Her stalker," and told me she'd
> fill me in further in private, which she did.  He seems fairly
> harmless for the time being and she's so far been successful in
> just ignoring him or not giving information, and she certainly made
> it known that she does not return the liking he says he has for
> her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern of going after
> blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any information and
> have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me, but I'm a
> little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably show up to
> the club meetings now that he knows about them.
> 
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to
> back off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is
> fairly identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable
> to see him coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.
> He hasn't done anything at this point that is reportable, so I
> don't quite know what the best approach would be.  I am pretty
> creeped out how he targets disabled women and blind women in
> particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.
> Thankfully I had class the time when he showed up to our table
> hours for our awareness week on campus, and he didn't show up to
> the described movie night we just had like he said he was going to.
> I usually have chapter meetings for another organization directly
> after the club meetings so I do have an excuse to leave club by a
> certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of this dude showing
> up and being weird with my friend and I while we're trying to get
> work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder for him to
> miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
> 
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people 
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange
> facebook chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a
> sighted dude on my campus who is going after a specific disability
> is really creepy to me and I do not feel comfortable about it.
> Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind of verges on
> adult conversations, but please keep your responses G or PG as I do
> not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing grossly
> inappropriate has happened here.
> 
> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing
> list nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
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>
> 
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Take care,
Ty
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 08:58:05 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 04:58:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
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Kaiti,

I'm not sure what you are afraid of happening if you simply tell this
guy that you are not interested when he approaches you. Disability or
no, as a woman, you have the right to protect yourself in any way you
deem acceptable. Perhaps you don't want to cause waves with this
individual since he goes to school there and attends your events, but
I think there is a nice and polite way of telling someone that you do
not wish to converse with them but still imparts the message that you
are not comfortable.

Minh



On 10/19/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From mhmdrizvi8 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:21:10 2015
From: mhmdrizvi8 at gmail.com (mahmud rizvi)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:21:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4FA00318-56E9-43CD-9290-A9134F0A7427@gmail.com>

Harassment of this sort is pretty serious. The messages he has sent, this story you have told is enough. You need to talk with a staff member on campus. The situation could escalate had all the administration will say then is "why didn't you tell us sooner?" As a guy you would think I wouldn't face such situations but I have. I've learned to tell a staff member ASAP. Your goal at college is to get your degree and become a well rounded adult. You shouldn't have to deal with this. I'm sorry about your situation. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2015, at 11:41 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
> 
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
> 
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 11:29:31 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:29:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
Message-ID: <5624d44b.41e70d0a.817f8.47d8@mx.google.com>

Hi Kaiti,

It seems to me that the issue here is that this guy is creepy not 
that he's blind obsessed.  There's nothing wrong with being 
attracted to blind people if the person goes about interacting 
with the people they're attracted to in a respectful way, and you 
would be in the same boat with this guy if he were attracted to 
say clarinet players rather than the blind.  I do think that 
telling him you're not interested politely and preferably through 
say facebook not when you're alone together and certainly not in 
front of others (that would embarrass him pretty badly) is the 
best course.  I understand the fear of how he'll react, but not 
telling him no, in his mind, will almost certainly mean that 
you're ok with what he's doing.  This is partially a cognitive 
impairment thing--many people with cognitive and emotional 
impairments don't really understand subtlety.  It's also a guy 
thing; most guys will respect a flat out "no," but many can 
convince themselves that anything less direct is a "yes" in 
disguise.  This is because of our cultural beliefs that women are 
coy and are supposed to resist advances by men even though they 
really want them and because some women actually do follow this 
cultural script making it difficult for a man to tell whether an 
indirect rejection is an actual rejection or a form of flirting.  
You might also try talking to a counselor or someone in the psych 
department about how best to communicate with people who have 
emotional and cognitive impairments that stop them picking up on 
social cues.  Of course if he does anything after you tell him to 
stop, that is reportable.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:41:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people

Hi all,

I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've 
started a
disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my 
cane
he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some 
neurological
problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior 
isn't
something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for 
girls
with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by 
blind
chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending 
me
really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and 
when I
asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him 
as
"Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, 
which
she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's 
so far
been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, 
and
she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking 
he
says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the 
pattern
of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been 
sending me,
but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll 
probably
show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.

I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to 
back
off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is 
fairly
identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see 
him
coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He 
hasn't
done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite 
know
what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but 
that
isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time 
when
he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, 
and
he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like 
he
said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for 
another
organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an 
excuse
to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea 
of
this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while 
we're
trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it 
harder
for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.

Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
before in the few instances where they have sent me strange 
facebook
chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude 
on my
campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy 
to me
and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, 
but
please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break 
any
list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened 
here.

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From filerime at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 12:35:47 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:35:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <5624d44b.41e70d0a.817f8.47d8@mx.google.com>
References: <5624d44b.41e70d0a.817f8.47d8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9e044nFmgGvX2STSFXSBZ3oKMO0VMaDn59-vy8MxCpCsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kaiti,
What you and your friend have been going through sounds threatening.
Even for stalking you can talk to title 9 of your school.
Here is the link for you.
https://www.udayton.edu/finadmin/campus/nondiscrimination/
Title 9 is the unit takes care of assaults and harassment's especially
sexual ones.
Title 9 guys will help you to whether to report or not. They may even
ban him talking to you. I remember one instance. One of my clients was
kind of fall in love with a girl, but the apparently does not
interested in.
He started fallowing her. They were in the same dorm. One day she saw
him in front of the girls’ bathroom area, right after she took a
shower.
Then she did report the incidence to title 9. Then he was prohibited
from texting, talking, and fallowing her, and his dorm was changed.
My suggestion is, talk to title 9. At the first stehp, ask them what
to do rather then reporting him. If you need to or want to report they
would help you.



2015-10-19 7:29 GMT-04:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Kaiti,
>
> It seems to me that the issue here is that this guy is creepy not
> that he's blind obsessed.  There's nothing wrong with being
> attracted to blind people if the person goes about interacting
> with the people they're attracted to in a respectful way, and you
> would be in the same boat with this guy if he were attracted to
> say clarinet players rather than the blind.  I do think that
> telling him you're not interested politely and preferably through
> say facebook not when you're alone together and certainly not in
> front of others (that would embarrass him pretty badly) is the
> best course.  I understand the fear of how he'll react, but not
> telling him no, in his mind, will almost certainly mean that
> you're ok with what he's doing.  This is partially a cognitive
> impairment thing--many people with cognitive and emotional
> impairments don't really understand subtlety.  It's also a guy
> thing; most guys will respect a flat out "no," but many can
> convince themselves that anything less direct is a "yes" in
> disguise.  This is because of our cultural beliefs that women are
> coy and are supposed to resist advances by men even though they
> really want them and because some women actually do follow this
> cultural script making it difficult for a man to tell whether an
> indirect rejection is an actual rejection or a form of flirting.
> You might also try talking to a counselor or someone in the psych
> department about how best to communicate with people who have
> emotional and cognitive impairments that stop them picking up on
> social cues.  Of course if he does anything after you tell him to
> stop, that is reportable.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:41:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've
> started a
> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my
> cane
> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some
> neurological
> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior
> isn't
> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for
> girls
> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by
> blind
> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending
> me
> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and
> when I
> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him
> as
> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private,
> which
> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's
> so far
> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information,
> and
> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking
> he
> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the
> pattern
> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been
> sending me,
> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll
> probably
> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to
> back
> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is
> fairly
> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see
> him
> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He
> hasn't
> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite
> know
> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but
> that
> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time
> when
> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus,
> and
> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like
> he
> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for
> another
> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an
> excuse
> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea
> of
> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while
> we're
> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it
> harder
> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange
> facebook
> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude
> on my
> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy
> to me
> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations,
> but
> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break
> any
> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened
> here.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>


From bestca21 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 12:38:14 2015
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 05:38:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <5624d44b.41e70d0a.817f8.47d8@mx.google.com>
References: <5624d44b.41e70d0a.817f8.47d8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=wgVpL=g59wWTO_c9hnEMGsjQU9UAM6gDetXOjuhx3VQKyxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I think if you flat out tell this person "No, I'm not interested'\,"
and he continues his pursuit, then you need to get Public Safety and
Student wellness involved because that is definitely considered sexual
harrassment.

I've worked in Equal Employment Opportunity before for five years and
I clearly know the boundaries for these things...and even if you
cannot see this person, and are around your sighted friends, it is
possible for them to tell you he is lurking, then I'd continue to let
the appropriate sources know. Your safety and your friends safety are
what is important, blind or not.

Hope everything works out!
Caitlin
On 10/19/15, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
>
> It seems to me that the issue here is that this guy is creepy not
> that he's blind obsessed.  There's nothing wrong with being
> attracted to blind people if the person goes about interacting
> with the people they're attracted to in a respectful way, and you
> would be in the same boat with this guy if he were attracted to
> say clarinet players rather than the blind.  I do think that
> telling him you're not interested politely and preferably through
> say facebook not when you're alone together and certainly not in
> front of others (that would embarrass him pretty badly) is the
> best course.  I understand the fear of how he'll react, but not
> telling him no, in his mind, will almost certainly mean that
> you're ok with what he's doing.  This is partially a cognitive
> impairment thing--many people with cognitive and emotional
> impairments don't really understand subtlety.  It's also a guy
> thing; most guys will respect a flat out "no," but many can
> convince themselves that anything less direct is a "yes" in
> disguise.  This is because of our cultural beliefs that women are
> coy and are supposed to resist advances by men even though they
> really want them and because some women actually do follow this
> cultural script making it difficult for a man to tell whether an
> indirect rejection is an actual rejection or a form of flirting.
> You might also try talking to a counselor or someone in the psych
> department about how best to communicate with people who have
> emotional and cognitive impairments that stop them picking up on
> social cues.  Of course if he does anything after you tell him to
> stop, that is reportable.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 00:41:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
>
> Hi all,
>
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've
> started a
> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my
> cane
> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some
> neurological
> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior
> isn't
> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for
> girls
> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by
> blind
> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending
> me
> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and
> when I
> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him
> as
> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private,
> which
> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's
> so far
> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information,
> and
> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking
> he
> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the
> pattern
> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been
> sending me,
> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll
> probably
> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to
> back
> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is
> fairly
> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see
> him
> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He
> hasn't
> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite
> know
> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but
> that
> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time
> when
> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus,
> and
> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like
> he
> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for
> another
> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an
> excuse
> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea
> of
> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while
> we're
> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it
> harder
> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange
> facebook
> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude
> on my
> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy
> to me
> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations,
> but
> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break
> any
> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened
> here.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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-- 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 19 16:07:25 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 12:07:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS1895BD69E75190F7A941367BA3A0@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

I am sorry to hear this guy is making you and your friend feel
uncomfortable. Since seizures are generally a neurological disorder, it may
be possible he does not fully understand his actions may be inappropriate or
makes you and your friend feel uncomfortable.

If I were in your situation, I would team up with your friend and sit down
and talk to him in a place that is public where you can have a more private
conversation with him. For added security, you could let some other friends
know that you are doing this, and have them nearby in case anything goes
wrong. Tell him that he is making you and your friend feel uncomfortable,
and then provide the specific things he is doing or saying that is making
you feel uncomfortable. If you are interested in being friends with him,
state what you are willing to accept as a casual friend. For example,
perhaps he could attend the disability meetings as long as the conversation
remains friendly. Or perhaps you may be willing to chat with him on Facebook
provided that the conversation is simply friendly. Since different people
may have different definitions of what is considered friendly, you may wish
to provide specific examples of what you consider appropriate and
inappropriate as a casual friend.

If this is not something you feel comfortable doing on your own, then I
would suggest talking to someone from counseling services to help facilitate
a conversation with him. Reporting a true stalker to the appropriate
authorities can often make the situation worse, and I would not recommend
this as the first course of action. However, in this case, if you were to
report this situation to the appropriate authorities such as campus police,
it may leave someone like him with a neurological disorder wondering what he
may have done wrong. It could be that he is simply trying to reach out to
other people with disabilities since he has a disability himself, and is
just simply going about it in the wrong way. If his seizures are caused by a
traumatic brain injury, it is possible he may also have some vision
problems, and this could explain his fascination with blindness. So perhaps
taking the time to understand his situation may help you to feel more at
ease in interacting with him.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth  

 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:42 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people

Hi all,

I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the situation
is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a friend of mine who
is also blind on campus, and since we've started a disability organization
and have been seen together and he saw my cane he's now starting to do it to
me.  Apparently he has some neurological problems that are supposedly
controled, but the odd behavior isn't something that we're aware of that can
be related to seizure disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a
thing for girls with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated
by blind chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending
me really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her
stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which she did.
He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far been successful
in just ignoring him or not giving information, and she certainly made it
known that she does not return the liking he says he has for her, but I
still am creeped out a bit by the pattern of going after blind chicks.
Obviously I haven't given him any information and have mostly ignored his
messages he's been sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just block him
because he'll probably show up to the club meetings now that he knows about
them.

I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back off and
leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly identifyable as
the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him coming I don't know if
that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't done anything at this point
that is reportable, so I don't quite know what the best approach would be.
I am pretty creeped out how he targets disabled women and blind women in
particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had
class the time when he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week
on campus, and he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had
like he said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse to
leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of this dude
showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're trying to get
work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder for him to miss me
when I'm going about my business on campus.

Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people before in
the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook chats or what
have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my campus who is going
after a specific disability is really creepy to me and I do not feel
comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind
of verges on adult conversations, but please keep your responses G or PG as
I do not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing grossly
inappropriate has happened here.

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 16:20:33 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:20:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Morning, Elizabeth, and other interesteds,

These suggestions might appeal to you if, for example, it makes you 
feel good to know that every single striation of people's 
interactions are planned, predictable and above all, safe. According 
to my personal vision,  however, real life has the potential of being 
really sticky, not certain and potentially a little gnarly. In my 
opinion, this very truth is what makes life so goddam engaging and 
stimulating as you seek its traversinge. 07 AM 10/19/2015, Elizabeth 
Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello Kaiti,
>
>I am sorry to hear this guy is making you and your friend feel
>uncomfortable. Since seizures are generally a neurological disorder, it may
>be possible he does not fully understand his actions may be inappropriate or
>makes you and your friend feel uncomfortable.
>
>If I were in your situation, I would team up with your friend and sit down
>and talk to him in a place that is public where you can have a more private
>conversation with him. For added security, you could let some other friends
>know that you are doing this, and have them nearby in case anything goes
>wrong. Tell him that he is making you and your friend feel uncomfortable,
>and then provide the specific things he is doing or saying that is making
>you feel uncomfortable. If you are interested in being friends with him,
>state what you are willing to accept as a casual friend. For example,
>perhaps he could attend the disability meetings as long as the conversation
>remains friendly. Or perhaps you may be willing to chat with him on Facebook
>provided that the conversation is simply friendly. Since different people
>may have different definitions of what is considered friendly, you may wish
>to provide specific examples of what you consider appropriate and
>inappropriate as a casual friend.
>
>If this is not something you feel comfortable doing on your own, then I
>would suggest talking to someone from counseling services to help facilitate
>a conversation with him. Reporting a true stalker to the appropriate
>authorities can often make the situation worse, and I would not recommend
>this as the first course of action. However, in this case, if you were to
>report this situation to the appropriate authorities such as campus police,
>it may leave someone like him with a neurological disorder wondering what he
>may have done wrong. It could be that he is simply trying to reach out to
>other people with disabilities since he has a disability himself, and is
>just simply going about it in the wrong way. If his seizures are caused by a
>traumatic brain injury, it is possible he may also have some vision
>problems, and this could explain his fascination with blindness. So perhaps
>taking the time to understand his situation may help you to feel more at
>ease in interacting with him.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:42 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the situation
>is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a friend of mine who
>is also blind on campus, and since we've started a disability organization
>and have been seen together and he saw my cane he's now starting to do it to
>me.  Apparently he has some neurological problems that are supposedly
>controled, but the odd behavior isn't something that we're aware of that can
>be related to seizure disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a
>thing for girls with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated
>by blind chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending
>me really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her
>stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which she did.
>He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far been successful
>in just ignoring him or not giving information, and she certainly made it
>known that she does not return the liking he says he has for her, but I
>still am creeped out a bit by the pattern of going after blind chicks.
>Obviously I haven't given him any information and have mostly ignored his
>messages he's been sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just block him
>because he'll probably show up to the club meetings now that he knows about
>them.
>
>I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back off and
>leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly identifyable as
>the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him coming I don't know if
>that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't done anything at this point
>that is reportable, so I don't quite know what the best approach would be.
>I am pretty creeped out how he targets disabled women and blind women in
>particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had
>class the time when he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week
>on campus, and he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had
>like he said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse to
>leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of this dude
>showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're trying to get
>work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder for him to miss me
>when I'm going about my business on campus.
>
>Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people before in
>the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook chats or what
>have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my campus who is going
>after a specific disability is really creepy to me and I do not feel
>comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind
>of verges on adult conversations, but please keep your responses G or PG as
>I do not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing grossly
>inappropriate has happened here.
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From sparklylicious at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 16:31:56 2015
From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 09:31:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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	<CAAJqG9iXZGDopsrN=2gdP_cvWH0srdFwRXXXv=yjQSPdh+V33Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I definitely second that. I think you should really make yourself clear to
him, and get your friend to do the same. One thing I've learned in college
is to advocate for myself. Of course you can let campus security know as
well as other campus staff and whoever else, but at the end of the day, it's
really up to you. I only say this because as a college woman, I'm the one
that's in charge of myself and my well-being. Campus security will be
around, but they are not there at all times. 
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From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 16:35:25 +0000
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Carly,
While I usually agree with your tone and posts, I don't get this one.
You basically say that this solution might appeal to you if life were
able to be planned, but there's nothing wrong with setting things up
so that you can get the results you want. Might you be interested in
explaining?
On 10/19/2015 12:20 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
> Morning, Elizabeth, and other interesteds,
> 
> These suggestions might appeal to you if, for example, it makes you
> feel good to know that every single striation of people's
> interactions are planned, predictable and above all, safe.
> According to my personal vision,  however, real life has the
> potential of being really sticky, not certain and potentially a
> little gnarly. In my opinion, this very truth is what makes life so
> goddam engaging and stimulating as you seek its traversinge. 07 AM
> 10/19/2015, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Kaiti,
>> 
>> I am sorry to hear this guy is making you and your friend feel 
>> uncomfortable. Since seizures are generally a neurological
>> disorder, it may be possible he does not fully understand his
>> actions may be inappropriate or makes you and your friend feel
>> uncomfortable.
>> 
>> If I were in your situation, I would team up with your friend and
>> sit down and talk to him in a place that is public where you can
>> have a more private conversation with him. For added security,
>> you could let some other friends know that you are doing this,
>> and have them nearby in case anything goes wrong. Tell him that
>> he is making you and your friend feel uncomfortable, and then
>> provide the specific things he is doing or saying that is making 
>> you feel uncomfortable. If you are interested in being friends
>> with him, state what you are willing to accept as a casual
>> friend. For example, perhaps he could attend the disability
>> meetings as long as the conversation remains friendly. Or perhaps
>> you may be willing to chat with him on Facebook provided that the
>> conversation is simply friendly. Since different people may have
>> different definitions of what is considered friendly, you may 
>> wish to provide specific examples of what you consider
>> appropriate and inappropriate as a casual friend.
>> 
>> If this is not something you feel comfortable doing on your own,
>> then I would suggest talking to someone from counseling services
>> to help facilitate a conversation with him. Reporting a true
>> stalker to the appropriate authorities can often make the
>> situation worse, and I would not recommend this as the first
>> course of action. However, in this case, if you were to report
>> this situation to the appropriate authorities such as campus 
>> police, it may leave someone like him with a neurological
>> disorder wondering what he may have done wrong. It could be that
>> he is simply trying to reach out to other people with
>> disabilities since he has a disability himself, and is just
>> simply going about it in the wrong way. If his seizures are 
>> caused by a traumatic brain injury, it is possible he may also
>> have some vision problems, and this could explain his fascination
>> with blindness. So perhaps taking the time to understand his
>> situation may help you to feel more at ease in interacting with
>> him.
>> 
>> Warm regards, Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l
>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via
>> nabs-l Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:42 AM To: National
>> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> Subject: [nabs-l]
>> How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but
>> the situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started
>> pestering a friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since
>> we've started a disability organization and have been seen
>> together and he saw my cane he's now starting to do it to me.
>> Apparently he has some neurological problems that are supposedly 
>> controled, but the odd behavior isn't something that we're aware
>> of that can be related to seizure disorders.  He has admitted to
>> my friend that he has a thing for girls with disabilities, and
>> since meeting her has been fascinated by blind chicks.  It was a
>> little disturbing to me when he started sending me really forward
>> facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I asked her
>> about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her 
>> stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>> she did. He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so
>> far been successful in just ignoring him or not giving
>> information, and she certainly made it known that she does not
>> return the liking he says he has for her, but I still am creeped
>> out a bit by the pattern of going after blind chicks. Obviously I
>> haven't given him any information and have mostly ignored his 
>> messages he's been sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just
>> block him because he'll probably show up to the club meetings now
>> that he knows about them.
>> 
>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to
>> back off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who
>> is fairly identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is
>> unable to see him coming I don't know if that is the best
>> approach or not.  He hasn't done anything at this point that is
>> reportable, so I don't quite know what the best approach would 
>> be. I am pretty creeped out how he targets disabled women and
>> blind women in particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of
>> itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when he showed up to our
>> table hours for our awareness week on campus, and he didn't show
>> up to the described movie night we just had like he said he was
>> going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another 
>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an
>> excuse to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by
>> the idea of this dude showing up and being weird with my friend
>> and I while we're trying to get work done, or meeting me in
>> person and making it harder for him to miss me when I'm going
>> about my business on campus.
>> 
>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people 
>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange
>> facebook chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a
>> sighted dude on my campus who is going after a specific
>> disability is really creepy to me and I do not feel comfortable
>> about it.  Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind of
>> verges on adult conversations, but please keep your responses G
>> or PG as I do not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing
>> grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:15:39 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:15:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Hello Carly,

It sounds to me like you are making some rather inaccurate assumptions about
me. I simply stated what I would do if I were in Kaiti's situation. I did
not provide any promises or guarantees that my suggestions would actually
work for her situation as I do not know all the details for her specific
situation. If the man appears to be harmless and has a neurological
disorder, the first step I would take in this situation would be to sit down
and talk to him in a place that is relatively safe. This is why I suggested
a public place or the use of a facilitator for such a conversation. Having
other people around would make it less likely that something would go wrong,
and if something did go wrong, there would be other people around to help
defuse the situation. There are never any guarantees in life, but there are
definitely steps you can take to help protect your own personal safety.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Carly Mihalakis [mailto:carlymih at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people

Morning, Elizabeth, and other interesteds,

These suggestions might appeal to you if, for example, it makes you feel
good to know that every single striation of people's interactions are
planned, predictable and above all, safe. According to my personal vision,
however, real life has the potential of being really sticky, not certain and
potentially a little gnarly. In my opinion, this very truth is what makes
life so goddam engaging and stimulating as you seek its traversinge. 07 AM
10/19/2015, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello Kaiti,
>
>I am sorry to hear this guy is making you and your friend feel 
>uncomfortable. Since seizures are generally a neurological disorder, it 
>may be possible he does not fully understand his actions may be 
>inappropriate or makes you and your friend feel uncomfortable.
>
>If I were in your situation, I would team up with your friend and sit 
>down and talk to him in a place that is public where you can have a 
>more private conversation with him. For added security, you could let 
>some other friends know that you are doing this, and have them nearby 
>in case anything goes wrong. Tell him that he is making you and your 
>friend feel uncomfortable, and then provide the specific things he is 
>doing or saying that is making you feel uncomfortable. If you are 
>interested in being friends with him, state what you are willing to 
>accept as a casual friend. For example, perhaps he could attend the 
>disability meetings as long as the conversation remains friendly. Or 
>perhaps you may be willing to chat with him on Facebook provided that 
>the conversation is simply friendly. Since different people may have 
>different definitions of what is considered friendly, you may wish to 
>provide specific examples of what you consider appropriate and
inappropriate as a casual friend.
>
>If this is not something you feel comfortable doing on your own, then I 
>would suggest talking to someone from counseling services to help 
>facilitate a conversation with him. Reporting a true stalker to the 
>appropriate authorities can often make the situation worse, and I would 
>not recommend this as the first course of action. However, in this 
>case, if you were to report this situation to the appropriate 
>authorities such as campus police, it may leave someone like him with a 
>neurological disorder wondering what he may have done wrong. It could 
>be that he is simply trying to reach out to other people with 
>disabilities since he has a disability himself, and is just simply 
>going about it in the wrong way. If his seizures are caused by a 
>traumatic brain injury, it is possible he may also have some vision 
>problems, and this could explain his fascination with blindness. So 
>perhaps taking the time to understand his situation may help you to feel
more at ease in interacting with him.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti 
>Shelton via nabs-l
>Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:42 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
>
>Hi all,
>
>I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the 
>situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a 
>friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a 
>disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane 
>he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological 
>problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't 
>something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure disorders.  
>He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls with 
>disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind 
>chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me 
>really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I 
>asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her
stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which she did.
>He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far been 
>successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and she 
>certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he says he 
>has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern of going after
blind chicks.
>Obviously I haven't given him any information and have mostly ignored 
>his messages he's been sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just 
>block him because he'll probably show up to the club meetings now that 
>he knows about them.
>
>I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back off 
>and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly 
>identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him 
>coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't 
>done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know what
the best approach would be.
>I am pretty creeped out how he targets disabled women and blind women 
>in particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully 
>I had class the time when he showed up to our table hours for our 
>awareness week on campus, and he didn't show up to the described movie 
>night we just had like he said he was going to.  I usually have chapter 
>meetings for another organization directly after the club meetings so I 
>do have an excuse to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled 
>by the idea of this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and 
>I while we're trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and 
>making it harder for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on
campus.
>
>Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people before 
>in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook chats or 
>what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my campus 
>who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me and I 
>do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do understand that 
>this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but please keep your 
>responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any list guidelines and 
>nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>
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From jordystringer83 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 19 17:30:29 2015
From: jordystringer83 at gmail.com (Jordy Stringer)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:30:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] "Live the Life You Want" Official Music Video
Message-ID: <9EF0C4FF-D979-473B-A06C-9421DB677344@gmail.com>

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://youtu.be/58borW9VLTA


Sent from the iPhone of Jordy D. Stringer


From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 19 21:53:22 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 14:53:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <56251BC8.70403@tysdomain.com>
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Good afternoon, Elizabeth, and other interesteds,

Granted, sometimes setting up a situation to serve your better 
success is a good idea.
Car09:35 AM 10/19/2015, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
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>Carly,
>While I usually agree with your tone and posts, I don't get this one.
>You basically say that this solution might appeal to you if life were
>able to be planned, but there's nothing wrong with setting things up
>so that you can get the results you want. Might you be interested in
>explaining?
>On 10/19/2015 12:20 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
> > Morning, Elizabeth, and other interesteds,
> >
> > These suggestions might appeal to you if, for example, it makes you
> > feel good to know that every single striation of people's
> > interactions are planned, predictable and above all, safe.
> > According to my personal vision,  however, real life has the
> > potential of being really sticky, not certain and potentially a
> > little gnarly. In my opinion, this very truth is what makes life so
> > goddam engaging and stimulating as you seek its traversinge. 07 AM
> > 10/19/2015, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> >> Hello Kaiti,
> >>
> >> I am sorry to hear this guy is making you and your friend feel
> >> uncomfortable. Since seizures are generally a neurological
> >> disorder, it may be possible he does not fully understand his
> >> actions may be inappropriate or makes you and your friend feel
> >> uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> If I were in your situation, I would team up with your friend and
> >> sit down and talk to him in a place that is public where you can
> >> have a more private conversation with him. For added security,
> >> you could let some other friends know that you are doing this,
> >> and have them nearby in case anything goes wrong. Tell him that
> >> he is making you and your friend feel uncomfortable, and then
> >> provide the specific things he is doing or saying that is making
> >> you feel uncomfortable. If you are interested in being friends
> >> with him, state what you are willing to accept as a casual
> >> friend. For example, perhaps he could attend the disability
> >> meetings as long as the conversation remains friendly. Or perhaps
> >> you may be willing to chat with him on Facebook provided that the
> >> conversation is simply friendly. Since different people may have
> >> different definitions of what is considered friendly, you may
> >> wish to provide specific examples of what you consider
> >> appropriate and inappropriate as a casual friend.
> >>
> >> If this is not something you feel comfortable doing on your own,
> >> then I would suggest talking to someone from counseling services
> >> to help facilitate a conversation with him. Reporting a true
> >> stalker to the appropriate authorities can often make the
> >> situation worse, and I would not recommend this as the first
> >> course of action. However, in this case, if you were to report
> >> this situation to the appropriate authorities such as campus
> >> police, it may leave someone like him with a neurological
> >> disorder wondering what he may have done wrong. It could be that
> >> he is simply trying to reach out to other people with
> >> disabilities since he has a disability himself, and is just
> >> simply going about it in the wrong way. If his seizures are
> >> caused by a traumatic brain injury, it is possible he may also
> >> have some vision problems, and this could explain his fascination
> >> with blindness. So perhaps taking the time to understand his
> >> situation may help you to feel more at ease in interacting with
> >> him.
> >>
> >> Warm regards, Elizabeth
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l
> >> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via
> >> nabs-l Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:42 AM To: National
> >> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> Subject: [nabs-l]
> >> How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but
> >> the situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started
> >> pestering a friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since
> >> we've started a disability organization and have been seen
> >> together and he saw my cane he's now starting to do it to me.
> >> Apparently he has some neurological problems that are supposedly
> >> controled, but the odd behavior isn't something that we're aware
> >> of that can be related to seizure disorders.  He has admitted to
> >> my friend that he has a thing for girls with disabilities, and
> >> since meeting her has been fascinated by blind chicks.  It was a
> >> little disturbing to me when he started sending me really forward
> >> facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I asked her
> >> about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her
> >> stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> >> she did. He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so
> >> far been successful in just ignoring him or not giving
> >> information, and she certainly made it known that she does not
> >> return the liking he says he has for her, but I still am creeped
> >> out a bit by the pattern of going after blind chicks. Obviously I
> >> haven't given him any information and have mostly ignored his
> >> messages he's been sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just
> >> block him because he'll probably show up to the club meetings now
> >> that he knows about them.
> >>
> >> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to
> >> back off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who
> >> is fairly identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is
> >> unable to see him coming I don't know if that is the best
> >> approach or not.  He hasn't done anything at this point that is
> >> reportable, so I don't quite know what the best approach would
> >> be. I am pretty creeped out how he targets disabled women and
> >> blind women in particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of
> >> itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when he showed up to our
> >> table hours for our awareness week on campus, and he didn't show
> >> up to the described movie night we just had like he said he was
> >> going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> >> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an
> >> excuse to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by
> >> the idea of this dude showing up and being weird with my friend
> >> and I while we're trying to get work done, or meeting me in
> >> person and making it harder for him to miss me when I'm going
> >> about my business on campus.
> >>
> >> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> >> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange
> >> facebook chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a
> >> sighted dude on my campus who is going after a specific
> >> disability is really creepy to me and I do not feel comfortable
> >> about it.  Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind of
> >> verges on adult conversations, but please keep your responses G
> >> or PG as I do not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing
> >> grossly inappropriate has happened here.
> >>
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 00:31:01 2015
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 17:31:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF6E43E3-1813-49C6-8FA8-12347E47110E@gmail.com>

This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this. It was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number of reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they think they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as a whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my sick ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook message, so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been some good advice offered previously too :)
I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation, and that your creep is easier to deal with. 
Best of luck,
Alana

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
> 
> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
> 
> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 01:13:43 2015
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:13:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research paper assistance
Message-ID: <CAB4OJj4qSTn+YNeQVcrW_hU_+-hQki7=PFVRAZ0rrLjhcJPVUA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Nabs,
My name is Nathan Clark and I am a junior at the University of Towson
in Towson, Maryland. For my Sociology Social Problems class we have to
research a social problem in society. I have selected my topic to be
how blindisms negatively impact blind people in terms of social
interaction with their sighted peers. I am writing my paper from a
social interactionists perspective. I was wondering if anyone could
give me some website or sources that I could use to base my research
on. Thanks for any help that anyone could provide me.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 03:12:48 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 20:12:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <DF6E43E3-1813-49C6-8FA8-12347E47110E@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF6E43E3-1813-49C6-8FA8-12347E47110E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBOYd04UFXQnxooxJpN7UFDwQ5b+1iucCtuTF-YVZ=Jzw@mail.gmail.com>

You've gotten some good advice. I wouldn't put the cart before the
horse. If he's just chatty, just ignore him on Facebook, or keep your
in-person conversations brief and casual. If he starts blatantly
flirting, tell him you're not interested. This will probably be
enough. If he continues to be flirtatious toward you or make sexual
comments, it's sexual harassment you can report to someone on campus.
Your disability club probably has a faculty advisor and this could be
a good person to notify about your concerns with this student member.
If it's a cross-disability club, and he has a neurological disability,
he can be a member of the club, but if he's harassing or threatening
other members, the club advisor can take disciplinary action. However,
it sounds like it might not get close to that point.
Best, Arielle

On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this. It
> was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The
> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number of
> reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they think
> they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as a
> whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the
> attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my sick
> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just
> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook message,
> so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been some
> good advice offered previously too :)
> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation,
> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
> Best of luck,
> Alana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>>
>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Oct 20 03:14:43 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:14:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
In-Reply-To: <DF6E43E3-1813-49C6-8FA8-12347E47110E@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaBPG1Stf=hRPb3VDXa_KUg7ZCBKjKx-9pJJ8=oabPR4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF6E43E3-1813-49C6-8FA8-12347E47110E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY7m7WcuMt43HrWu7PfZk4+6+vRFXUxmgSKc5iz3d3QJMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've heard some really great advice so far! Elizabeth, I really like your
plan. My only concern would be that this man may feel ambushed if Kaiti and
her friend are coming to talk to him out of the blue like this...  Still,
very wise! But seriously Kaiti, if this escalates any farther, or if you
get even the slightest hint that it might, GET HELP! It's unfortunate what
haplened to Alana. It's sickening, actually! Please don't let it happen to
you!

Best,
Kennedy Stomberg

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this.
> It was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The
> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number
> of reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they
> think they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person
> as a whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose
> the attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my sick
> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just
> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook
> message, so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has
> been some good advice offered previously too :)
> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation,
> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
> Best of luck,
> Alana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> > situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> > friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
> > disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
> > he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
> > problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
> > something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> > disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
> > with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
> > chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
> > really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
> > asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
> > "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> > she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
> > been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
> > she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
> > says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
> > of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> > information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
> > but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
> > show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
> >
> > I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
> > off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
> > identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
> > coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
> > done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
> > what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> > targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
> > isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
> > he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
> > he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
> > said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> > organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
> > to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
> > this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
> > trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
> > for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> > before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
> > chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
> > campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
> > and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> > understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
> > please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
> > list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 03:18:17 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:18:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Wow!
What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
like a child!
It's annoying!
Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
Thanks

On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this. It
> was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The
> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number of
> reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they think
> they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as a
> whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the
> attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my sick
> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just
> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook message,
> so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been some
> good advice offered previously too :)
> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation,
> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
> Best of luck,
> Alana
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>>
>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Oct 20 03:20:58 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:20:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Josh, I know! It's super gross!

On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Wow!
> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
> like a child!
> It's annoying!
> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
> Thanks
>
> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this.
> It
> > was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
> > reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The
> > things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
> > feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a
> number of
> > reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they
> think
> > they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as
> a
> > whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the
> > attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
> > sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my
> sick
> > ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
> > don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
> > used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
> > worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just
> > because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
> > advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook
> message,
> > so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been
> some
> > good advice offered previously too :)
> > I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation,
> > and that your creep is easier to deal with.
> > Best of luck,
> > Alana
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
> >> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
> >> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
> >> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
> >> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
> >> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
> >> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
> >> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
> >> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
> >> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
> >> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
> >> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
> >> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
> >> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
> >> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
> >> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
> >> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
> >> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
> >> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
> >> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
> >> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
> >>
> >> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
> >> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
> >> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
> >> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
> >> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
> >> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
> >> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
> >> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
> >> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
> >> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
> >> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
> >> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
> >> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
> >> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
> >> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
> >> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
> >>
> >> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
> >> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
> >> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
> >> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
> >> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
> >> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
> >> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
> >> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
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> >
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>
>
> --
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 03:22:34 2015
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 21:22:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Importance of Braille project-need your help!
Message-ID: <BAY402-EAS107FB50B7049F017D6E0413E4390@phx.gbl>

As some of you may know, accessibility has been a struggle this semester- especially in my English class. We are starting a new project, and so I have chose a topic that means a lot to me--BRAILLE LITERACY! 
Now, this is where I need YOUR help:
This is a multimedia project, and I want to make this project personal.
I'd you would like to be part of this, please send me a picture or video (can be done on most smartphones!) talking about why You/your child like Braille and why you feel it is important. 
You can send it to me here, to my personal email (Chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com), or to my personal Facebook. I will need them within the next 2 weeks! thank you so much!

Chelsea Peahl

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 04:42:43 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 00:42:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Hi all,

There have certainly been a wide variety of thoughts on how to handle
the issue, which is great because from them I think I've picked out
the most helpful elements for this situation.

I held off on replying till now specifically to collect my thoughts
and weigh the options so far.  Before I wrote I was mainly concerned
with how to just get rid of the problem because it made me and my
friend uncomfortable.  I thought I had no obligation to explain my
discomfort or to teach this other student social skills because that
really isn't my role or something I would normally be concerned with
if it were a neurotypical guy doing the "stalking" as my friend called
it.  I felt that even though I have an obligation to be cordial to him
if/when we were in the same place, and I need to promote understanding
of neurological issues including these maladaptive behaviors to the
general campus public, that this crosses a line and my own comfort and
security should be of a higher priority than playing social skills
coach.  Especially since I don't know this guy from Adam I just wanted
him to leave us alone except for when we are in club meetings or
functions.

I see the value of talking to him, but Kennedy brought up a great
point that we wouldn't want to ambush him and potentially make the
problem worse.  As much as I would rather just not deal with this and
hope he just goes away from me and my friend, since we have the club
and it is cross-disability he's probably going to show up to something
eventually.  I like the idea of talking to the club advisors, and I
think that since both of them work in disability services they could
be helpful, neutral parties if we do need to talk about the behaviors.
The Disability office could also be a neutral place to talk, since
there are always people filtering in and out but we could also have
the conversations in a confidential space, mainly for his benefit.  I
also thought today that if this is something that must be addressed,
having a social skills workshop might not be a bad idea.  I'm not sure
how receptive the rest of the exec board would be to it as there are
only two people with neurological disabilities which seem to impact
their understanding of appropriate and inappropriate actions in social
situations, one more than the other, and we wouldn't want to make them
feel singled out by having those with disabilities but adequate social
skills honing in on one or both of them.  We may be able to weave it
into a breakout session like we usually have, but the conversation
would be pretty pointless for everyone else in the club as well unless
those of us who have physical disabilities talked about other aspects
of social behavior that are issues to us.  Personally I think the
issues of speaking down to someone in a wheelchair, or issues of not
understanding gestures or body language as well for a blind person are
very different from knowing when an action is appropriate or not and
moderating that behavior, but it might be the best way to bridge the
gap and have other people at least talk about aspects of socializing
that are challenging for them.

I definitely want to keep my interactions with him to a minimum and
don't want to jump the gun either (as nothing has been done to warrant
that), but this is an issue I think I'll have to monitor carefully.
The club has its meetings on Wednesdays, so I guess I will see what
will happen potentially as soon as this week.  My fight or flight
reflex is still wishing he'd just go away so I don't have to deal with
the conflict or fear that he'll come up to me as I'm trying to get
lunch or go to a class, but we can't win 'em all.

On 10/19/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Josh, I know! It's super gross!
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM, josh lester via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow!
>> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
>> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
>> like a child!
>> It's annoying!
>> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like
>> > this.
>> It
>> > was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the
>> > only
>> > reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away.
>> > The
>> > things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes
>> > you
>> > feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a
>> number of
>> > reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they
>> think
>> > they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person
>> > as
>> a
>> > whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose
>> > the
>> > attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
>> > sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my
>> sick
>> > ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
>> > don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word
>> > you've
>> > used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
>> > worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but
>> > just
>> > because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
>> > advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook
>> message,
>> > so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been
>> some
>> > good advice offered previously too :)
>> > I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned
>> > situation,
>> > and that your creep is easier to deal with.
>> > Best of luck,
>> > Alana
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>> >> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>> >> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>> >> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>> >> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>> >> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>> >> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>> >> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>> >> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>> >> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>> >> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>> >> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>> >> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>> >> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>> >> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>> >> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>> >> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>> >> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>> >> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>> >> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>> >> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>> >>
>> >> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>> >> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>> >> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>> >> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>> >> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>> >> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>> >> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>> >> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>> >> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>> >> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>> >> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>> >> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>> >> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>> >> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>> >> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>> >> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>> >>
>> >> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>> >> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>> >> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>> >> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>> >> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>> >> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>> >> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>> >> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>>
>> --
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 20 05:32:57 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 01:32:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research paper assistance
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Nathan,

Wow, what an interesting project! And, you are pretty near me as I'm in 
northern va and graduated years back from Marymount University.

Anyway, great topic, but I believe it will be hard to find sources. I hope 
you don't need many scholarly sources as there are few discussing 
specifically blindisms on interaction. Many studies have been done on 
socialization in general though.

The one scholarly source I can think of is the Journal of Visual Impairment 
put out by AFB.
I do not know  how you'd access the journal though as it is subscription 
based; my advice would be to read abstracts and perhaps purchase individual 
articles if needed. Other sources could be interviews, if you are allowed to 
use them, with blindness professionals such as teachers of the vision 
impaired and O&M teachers. Most professionals recognize the negative impact 
of blindisms and discourage it among students.

I also think you could use sources about conformity to social norms in 
general and the negative consequences of failing to conform. Certainly 
blindisms are abnormal and are not conforming to social norms.

In terms of websites
here are some ideas off the top of my head.

Texas School for the blind www.tsbvi.edu
I've seen many articles on there about teaching kids, and surely there is 
bound to be some on social interaction
Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
Overbrook School for the blind

Also, I highly recommend Future reflections put out by NFB.
This publication is for parents of blind children grounded in NFB 
philosophy; it has tons  of articles  about social interaction.

Here are some articles with their direct urls that you might find helpful. 
Note, there is a whole issue of the magazine about extra curricular 
activities. While not addressing blindisms specifically, it does address the 
interactions in a sighted world and how important learning social norms are.

Here they are.

Future Reflections Fall 2015
Manners Matter

“We are all impressed when we meet children who are well-behaved and 
well-mannered. It's easier to like children who conform to our social 
expectations. They seem less strange to us.”

https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr34/3/fr340304.htm

Standing on My Own Two Feet
https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr34/3/fr340316.htm

Special Issue 2015 Extra Curricular Activities

Cheering Blind

Good luck, and if you need more ideas, I'll look around and ask my TVI from 
senior year who I keep in touch with.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Nathan Clark via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:13 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Nathan Clark
Subject: [nabs-l] research paper assistance

Dear Nabs,
My name is Nathan Clark and I am a junior at the University of Towson
in Towson, Maryland. For my Sociology Social Problems class we have to
research a social problem in society. I have selected my topic to be
how blindisms negatively impact blind people in terms of social
interaction with their sighted peers. I am writing my paper from a
social interactionists perspective. I was wondering if anyone could
give me some website or sources that I could use to base my research
on. Thanks for any help that anyone could provide me.
Sincerely,
Nathan Clark

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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 09:40:46 2015
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 02:40:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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I lost it in January of 2011. Josh, are you losing your vision right now or did recently? If this is something you want to know more about, a new thread can be started about it. I bet there's quite a few people who have also experienced losing their vision. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 20:18, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Wow!
> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
> like a child!
> It's annoying!
> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
> Thanks
> 
>> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this. It
>> was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
>> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away. The
>> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
>> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number of
>> reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they think
>> they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as a
>> whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the
>> attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
>> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my sick
>> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
>> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
>> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
>> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but just
>> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
>> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook message,
>> so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been some
>> good advice offered previously too :)
>> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned situation,
>> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
>> Best of luck,
>> Alana
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>>> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>>> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>>> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>>> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>>> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>>> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>>> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>>> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>>> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>>> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>>> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>>> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>>> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>>> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>>> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>>> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>>> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>>> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>>> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>>> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>>> 
>>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>>> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>>> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>>> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>>> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>>> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>>> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>>> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>>> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>>> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>>> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>>> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>>> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>>> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>>> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>>> 
>>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>>> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>>> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>>> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>>> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>>> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>>> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Tue Oct 20 12:21:42 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:21:42 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: CBS News/ADA25 Internship for NY-Based College Students
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In honor of ADA25 (25th Anniversary of the Americans with Disabilities Act), CBS News in collaboration with the Lights! Camera! Access! 2.0 Initiative and City University of New York (CUNY) Coalition of Students with Disabilities, is expanding its paid internship program to include outreach to college juniors, seniors and graduate students with disabilities for CBS News/ADA25 Internship for Spring 2016.


Applicants with insight into lived experiences of disability are strongly encouraged to apply.


Applications are due 11:59 pm ET Friday, October 23, 2015; Spring Internship program: January 11 – April 22, 2016.


The CBS News internship program is designed for students who are interested in pursuing a career in journalism, broadcasting or communication. Juniors, seniors, and graduate students are eligible. Students majoring in journalism, broadcasting or communications are preferred, but those majoring in public relations, marketing, advertising, English, history, international studies and political science are welcome to apply and will be considered.


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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 16:49:59 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:49:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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I've been blind all of my life.
Thanks

On 10/20/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I lost it in January of 2011. Josh, are you losing your vision right now or
> did recently? If this is something you want to know more about, a new thread
> can be started about it. I bet there's quite a few people who have also
> experienced losing their vision.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 19, 2015, at 20:18, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Wow!
>> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
>> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
>> like a child!
>> It's annoying!
>> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
>> Thanks
>>
>>> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like this.
>>> It
>>> was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the only
>>> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away.
>>> The
>>> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes you
>>> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a number
>>> of
>>> reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they
>>> think
>>> they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person as
>>> a
>>> whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose the
>>> attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
>>> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my
>>> sick
>>> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
>>> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word you've
>>> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
>>> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but
>>> just
>>> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
>>> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook
>>> message,
>>> so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been
>>> some
>>> good advice offered previously too :)
>>> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned
>>> situation,
>>> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
>>> Best of luck,
>>> Alana
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>>>> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>>>> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>>>> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>>>> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>>>> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>>>> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>>>> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>>>> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>>>> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>>>> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>>>> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>>>> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>>>> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>>>> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>>>> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>>>> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>>>> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>>>> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>>>> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>>>> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>>>>
>>>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>>>> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>>>> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>>>> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>>>> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>>>> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>>>> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>>>> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>>>> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>>>> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>>>> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>>>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>>>> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>>>> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>>>> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>>>> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>>>>
>>>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>>>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>>>> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>>>> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>>>> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>>>> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>>>> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>>>> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 17:31:30 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:31:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 14 Blue Braille Display
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Hi all! How are you all? I have a BrailleNote Apex, but I'm interested in trying a Focus 14 display since I hear is smaller than the Apex. I just wanted to ask you, do you know where I can borrow one in  ordr to connect it with my iPhone 6 for a year or a few months guys? I'm just wndering. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!!!! 

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 20 19:05:48 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 15:05:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Hello Kaiti,

I think choosing to ignore him is a suitable option for dealing with this
situation. However, incorporating social skill sessions into the disability
group with the hope that he may learn something from them sounds like a
passive aggressive way of dealing with this situation to me. My suggestion
had absolutely nothing to do with you teaching this person any kind of
social skills.  It was to encourage you to voice your discomfort with
someone who was making you feel uncomfortable in a way that would be safe
for you while showing some kindness and compassion towards this person. I
agree with you that you should not be responsible for teaching this person
social skills if this is not something you wish to do. However, I believe it
is your responsibility to learn how to speak up for yourself when someone is
doing or saying something that makes you feel uncomfortable.

After rereading your initial post, I do not see how this person is
specifically targeting you. The post talks about how he attended some of the
disability events and had one conversation with you on Facebook. I do not
understand how this behavior meets the definition of stalking. If the
disability group is for all disabilities, and he has a disability, this
seems to be a good enough reason for him to be there. And if you are a
member of this group, or perhaps a leader of this group, then it would seem
rather reasonable to me how he would want to connect with you as another
member of the group. Perhaps he is looking for friendship, or perhaps he is
looking for something more. However, how can you expect other people to
respect your comfort zone if you are not willing to tell other people what
makes you feel uncomfortable?

Your post says that you believe this man to be harmless. If this is the
case, then what harm would it be to sit down with him and take the time to
get to know him? From what I understand about neurological disorders is that
they can often make a person feel lonely, isolated, and misunderstood by
others. If you would be willing to take the time to reach out to him, or
perhaps find another male who would be willing to reach out to him, it could
really mean a lot to him. One of the things I do not like about the NFB is
how so many people claim to know so much about me when most people have
never actually taken the time to get to know me as a person. It sounds to me
like what you know about him is based on your own assumptions rather than
who he is as a person. So I honestly do not see the harm in talking to him
if he is as harmless as you are making him out to be.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people

Hi all,

There have certainly been a wide variety of thoughts on how to handle the
issue, which is great because from them I think I've picked out the most
helpful elements for this situation.

I held off on replying till now specifically to collect my thoughts and
weigh the options so far.  Before I wrote I was mainly concerned with how to
just get rid of the problem because it made me and my friend uncomfortable.
I thought I had no obligation to explain my discomfort or to teach this
other student social skills because that really isn't my role or something I
would normally be concerned with if it were a neurotypical guy doing the
"stalking" as my friend called it.  I felt that even though I have an
obligation to be cordial to him if/when we were in the same place, and I
need to promote understanding of neurological issues including these
maladaptive behaviors to the general campus public, that this crosses a line
and my own comfort and security should be of a higher priority than playing
social skills coach.  Especially since I don't know this guy from Adam I
just wanted him to leave us alone except for when we are in club meetings or
functions.

I see the value of talking to him, but Kennedy brought up a great point that
we wouldn't want to ambush him and potentially make the problem worse.  As
much as I would rather just not deal with this and hope he just goes away
from me and my friend, since we have the club and it is cross-disability
he's probably going to show up to something eventually.  I like the idea of
talking to the club advisors, and I think that since both of them work in
disability services they could be helpful, neutral parties if we do need to
talk about the behaviors.
The Disability office could also be a neutral place to talk, since there are
always people filtering in and out but we could also have the conversations
in a confidential space, mainly for his benefit.  I also thought today that
if this is something that must be addressed, having a social skills workshop
might not be a bad idea.  I'm not sure how receptive the rest of the exec
board would be to it as there are only two people with neurological
disabilities which seem to impact their understanding of appropriate and
inappropriate actions in social situations, one more than the other, and we
wouldn't want to make them feel singled out by having those with
disabilities but adequate social skills honing in on one or both of them.
We may be able to weave it into a breakout session like we usually have, but
the conversation would be pretty pointless for everyone else in the club as
well unless those of us who have physical disabilities talked about other
aspects of social behavior that are issues to us.  Personally I think the
issues of speaking down to someone in a wheelchair, or issues of not
understanding gestures or body language as well for a blind person are very
different from knowing when an action is appropriate or not and moderating
that behavior, but it might be the best way to bridge the gap and have other
people at least talk about aspects of socializing that are challenging for
them.

I definitely want to keep my interactions with him to a minimum and don't
want to jump the gun either (as nothing has been done to warrant that), but
this is an issue I think I'll have to monitor carefully.
The club has its meetings on Wednesdays, so I guess I will see what will
happen potentially as soon as this week.  My fight or flight reflex is still
wishing he'd just go away so I don't have to deal with the conflict or fear
that he'll come up to me as I'm trying to get lunch or go to a class, but we
can't win 'em all.

On 10/19/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Josh, I know! It's super gross!
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM, josh lester via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Wow!
>> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist 
>> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand 
>> like a child!
>> It's annoying!
>> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like 
>> > this.
>> It
>> > was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the 
>> > only reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I 
>> > moved away.
>> > The
>> > things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he 
>> > makes you feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the 
>> > disabled for a
>> number of
>> > reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because 
>> > they
>> think
>> > they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the 
>> > person as
>> a
>> > whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or 
>> > lose the attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all 
>> > the time. But sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites 
>> > the person, like my
>> sick
>> > ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure 
>> > since I don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then 
>> > the word you've used, target, is a good one. I can certainly 
>> > understand why you may be worried for yourself and your friend if 
>> > you reject his advances, but just because he has a creepy fetish 
>> > doesn't mean he will become violent. My advice is to to tell him 
>> > you're not interested via private Facebook
>> message,
>> > so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has 
>> > been
>> some
>> > good advice offered previously too :) I hope I'm overreacting 
>> > because of my own previously mentioned situation, and that your 
>> > creep is easier to deal with.
>> > Best of luck,
>> > Alana
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the 
>> >> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a 
>> >> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've 
>> >> started a disability organization and have been seen together and 
>> >> he saw my cane he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he 
>> >> has some neurological problems that are supposedly controled, but 
>> >> the odd behavior isn't something that we're aware of that can be 
>> >> related to seizure disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that 
>> >> he has a thing for girls with disabilities, and since meeting her 
>> >> has been fascinated by blind chicks.  It was a little disturbing 
>> >> to me when he started sending me really forward facebook messages 
>> >> and mentioned my friend, and when I asked her about it the next 
>> >> day she half-jokingly referred to him as "Her stalker," and told 
>> >> me she'd fill me in further in private, which she did.  He seems 
>> >> fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far been 
>> >> successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and she 
>> >> certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he 
>> >> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the 
>> >> pattern of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given 
>> >> him any information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been 
>> >> sending me, but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll
probably show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>> >>
>> >> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to 
>> >> back off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is 
>> >> fairly identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable 
>> >> to see him coming I don't know if that is the best approach or 
>> >> not.  He hasn't done anything at this point that is reportable, so 
>> >> I don't quite know what the best approach would be.  I am pretty 
>> >> creeped out how he targets disabled women and blind women in 
>> >> particular now, but that isn't a crime in and of itself.  
>> >> Thankfully I had class the time when he showed up to our table 
>> >> hours for our awareness week on campus, and he didn't show up to 
>> >> the described movie night we just had like he said he was going 
>> >> to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another organization 
>> >> directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse to leave 
>> >> club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of this 
>> >> dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're 
>> >> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>> >>
>> >> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people 
>> >> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange 
>> >> facebook chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a 
>> >> sighted dude on my campus who is going after a specific disability 
>> >> is really creepy to me and I do not feel comfortable about it.  
>> >> Advice?  Also, I do understand that this topic kind of verges on 
>> >> adult conversations, but please keep your responses G or PG as I 
>> >> do not intend to break any list guidelines and nothing grossly
inappropriate has happened here.
>> >>
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>> --
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>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto 
>> them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus 
>> Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the 
>> Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 00:13:05 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:13:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] research paper assistance
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Hi, Nathan,

A lot of the things blind people do for self-stimulation are similar
to what people with Autism do as well (Rocking, hand flapping, etc.  I
think you could break your research down into researching the
different blindisms and possibly link them to other issues like Autism
or intellectual delay, especially since they stem from the same need
to self-stimulate.

The more specific blindisms to blindness are probably eye poking and
the droopy head (A lot of blind people don't hold their heads up to
face in front of them and talk down to the ground).  Those might be
harder to find information on, but perhaps looking at the specific
behaviors will be helpful instead of just searching specifically for
blindisms.  Articles on social interaction for children who rock might
address issues concerning the blind and children with Autism, which
would still give  you credible sources.

Good luck,

On 10/20/15, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> Wow, what an interesting project! And, you are pretty near me as I'm in
> northern va and graduated years back from Marymount University.
>
> Anyway, great topic, but I believe it will be hard to find sources. I hope
> you don't need many scholarly sources as there are few discussing
> specifically blindisms on interaction. Many studies have been done on
> socialization in general though.
>
> The one scholarly source I can think of is the Journal of Visual Impairment
> put out by AFB.
> I do not know  how you'd access the journal though as it is subscription
> based; my advice would be to read abstracts and perhaps purchase individual
> articles if needed. Other sources could be interviews, if you are allowed to
> use them, with blindness professionals such as teachers of the vision
> impaired and O&M teachers. Most professionals recognize the negative impact
> of blindisms and discourage it among students.
>
> I also think you could use sources about conformity to social norms in
> general and the negative consequences of failing to conform. Certainly
> blindisms are abnormal and are not conforming to social norms.
>
> In terms of websites
> here are some ideas off the top of my head.
>
> Texas School for the blind www.tsbvi.edu
> I've seen many articles on there about teaching kids, and surely there is
> bound to be some on social interaction
> Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
> Overbrook School for the blind
>
> Also, I highly recommend Future reflections put out by NFB.
> This publication is for parents of blind children grounded in NFB
> philosophy; it has tons  of articles  about social interaction.
>
> Here are some articles with their direct urls that you might find helpful.
> Note, there is a whole issue of the magazine about extra curricular
> activities. While not addressing blindisms specifically, it does address the
> interactions in a sighted world and how important learning social norms are.
>
> Here they are.
>
> Future Reflections Fall 2015
> Manners Matter
>
> “We are all impressed when we meet children who are well-behaved and
> well-mannered. It's easier to like children who conform to our social
> expectations. They seem less strange to us.”
>
> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr34/3/fr340304.htm
>
> Standing on My Own Two Feet
> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/fr/fr34/3/fr340316.htm
>
> Special Issue 2015 Extra Curricular Activities
>
> Cheering Blind
>
> Good luck, and if you need more ideas, I'll look around and ask my TVI from
> senior year who I keep in touch with.
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nathan Clark via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 9:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Nathan Clark
> Subject: [nabs-l] research paper assistance
>
> Dear Nabs,
> My name is Nathan Clark and I am a junior at the University of Towson
> in Towson, Maryland. For my Sociology Social Problems class we have to
> research a social problem in society. I have selected my topic to be
> how blindisms negatively impact blind people in terms of social
> interaction with their sighted peers. I am writing my paper from a
> social interactionists perspective. I was wondering if anyone could
> give me some website or sources that I could use to base my research
> on. Thanks for any help that anyone could provide me.
> Sincerely,
> Nathan Clark
>
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Division 2015-2016

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Oct 21 00:30:46 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 20:30:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to handle creepy blind-obsessed people
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Kaiti,
I was looking at your University Counseling Website.  They have a bunch of psychologists. Maybe you could make an appointment with one of them.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 20, 2015, at 12:42 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> There have certainly been a wide variety of thoughts on how to handle
> the issue, which is great because from them I think I've picked out
> the most helpful elements for this situation.
> 
> I held off on replying till now specifically to collect my thoughts
> and weigh the options so far.  Before I wrote I was mainly concerned
> with how to just get rid of the problem because it made me and my
> friend uncomfortable.  I thought I had no obligation to explain my
> discomfort or to teach this other student social skills because that
> really isn't my role or something I would normally be concerned with
> if it were a neurotypical guy doing the "stalking" as my friend called
> it.  I felt that even though I have an obligation to be cordial to him
> if/when we were in the same place, and I need to promote understanding
> of neurological issues including these maladaptive behaviors to the
> general campus public, that this crosses a line and my own comfort and
> security should be of a higher priority than playing social skills
> coach.  Especially since I don't know this guy from Adam I just wanted
> him to leave us alone except for when we are in club meetings or
> functions.
> 
> I see the value of talking to him, but Kennedy brought up a great
> point that we wouldn't want to ambush him and potentially make the
> problem worse.  As much as I would rather just not deal with this and
> hope he just goes away from me and my friend, since we have the club
> and it is cross-disability he's probably going to show up to something
> eventually.  I like the idea of talking to the club advisors, and I
> think that since both of them work in disability services they could
> be helpful, neutral parties if we do need to talk about the behaviors.
> The Disability office could also be a neutral place to talk, since
> there are always people filtering in and out but we could also have
> the conversations in a confidential space, mainly for his benefit.  I
> also thought today that if this is something that must be addressed,
> having a social skills workshop might not be a bad idea.  I'm not sure
> how receptive the rest of the exec board would be to it as there are
> only two people with neurological disabilities which seem to impact
> their understanding of appropriate and inappropriate actions in social
> situations, one more than the other, and we wouldn't want to make them
> feel singled out by having those with disabilities but adequate social
> skills honing in on one or both of them.  We may be able to weave it
> into a breakout session like we usually have, but the conversation
> would be pretty pointless for everyone else in the club as well unless
> those of us who have physical disabilities talked about other aspects
> of social behavior that are issues to us.  Personally I think the
> issues of speaking down to someone in a wheelchair, or issues of not
> understanding gestures or body language as well for a blind person are
> very different from knowing when an action is appropriate or not and
> moderating that behavior, but it might be the best way to bridge the
> gap and have other people at least talk about aspects of socializing
> that are challenging for them.
> 
> I definitely want to keep my interactions with him to a minimum and
> don't want to jump the gun either (as nothing has been done to warrant
> that), but this is an issue I think I'll have to monitor carefully.
> The club has its meetings on Wednesdays, so I guess I will see what
> will happen potentially as soon as this week.  My fight or flight
> reflex is still wishing he'd just go away so I don't have to deal with
> the conflict or fear that he'll come up to me as I'm trying to get
> lunch or go to a class, but we can't win 'em all.
> 
>> On 10/19/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Josh, I know! It's super gross!
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM, josh lester via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Wow!
>>> What I can't stand is people that when taught how to guide me, insist
>>> on me putting my hand on their shoulder, or letting them hold my hand
>>> like a child!
>>> It's annoying!
>>> Alana, when did you start losing your sight?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>> On 10/19/15, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> This sounds very disturbing. I have also encountered a person like
>>>> this.
>>> It
>>>> was right as I was losing my vision that I met this person, and the
>>>> only
>>>> reason things didn't escalate beyond control is because I moved away.
>>>> The
>>>> things you mentioned sound very similar, and it sounds like he makes
>>>> you
>>>> feel really uneasy. People can show interest in the disabled for a
>>> number of
>>>> reasons, some good and some not so much. Sometimes it's because they
>>> think
>>>> they'll be an easy victim, sometimes they're interested in the person
>>>> as
>>> a
>>>> whole and they're disability doesn't make them uncomfortable or lose
>>>> the
>>>> attraction, blind and sighted people end up together all the time. But
>>>> sometimes, it's the disability itself that excites the person, like my
>>> sick
>>>> ex and maybe the guy you're talking about. I can't say for sure since I
>>>> don't know the man. But if that's what is going on, then the word
>>>> you've
>>>> used, target, is a good one. I can certainly understand why you may be
>>>> worried for yourself and your friend if you reject his advances, but
>>>> just
>>>> because he has a creepy fetish doesn't mean he will become violent. My
>>>> advice is to to tell him you're not interested via private Facebook
>>> message,
>>>> so there's a record of your saying no and his reaction. There has been
>>> some
>>>> good advice offered previously too :)
>>>> I hope I'm overreacting because of my own previously mentioned
>>>> situation,
>>>> and that your creep is easier to deal with.
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>> Alana
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2015, at 21:41, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sure you're wondering about the strange subject line, but the
>>>>> situation is exactly how it sounds.  This guy started pestering a
>>>>> friend of mine who is also blind on campus, and since we've started a
>>>>> disability organization and have been seen together and he saw my cane
>>>>> he's now starting to do it to me.  Apparently he has some neurological
>>>>> problems that are supposedly controled, but the odd behavior isn't
>>>>> something that we're aware of that can be related to seizure
>>>>> disorders.  He has admitted to my friend that he has a thing for girls
>>>>> with disabilities, and since meeting her has been fascinated by blind
>>>>> chicks.  It was a little disturbing to me when he started sending me
>>>>> really forward facebook messages and mentioned my friend, and when I
>>>>> asked her about it the next day she half-jokingly referred to him as
>>>>> "Her stalker," and told me she'd fill me in further in private, which
>>>>> she did.  He seems fairly harmless for the time being and she's so far
>>>>> been successful in just ignoring him or not giving information, and
>>>>> she certainly made it known that she does not return the liking he
>>>>> says he has for her, but I still am creeped out a bit by the pattern
>>>>> of going after blind chicks.  Obviously I haven't given him any
>>>>> information and have mostly ignored his messages he's been sending me,
>>>>> but I'm a little hesitant to just block him because he'll probably
>>>>> show up to the club meetings now that he knows about them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been advised by a male friend of mine to just tell him to back
>>>>> off and leave me alone, but I'll admit that as a woman who is fairly
>>>>> identifyable as the only one with a cane and who is unable to see him
>>>>> coming I don't know if that is the best approach or not.  He hasn't
>>>>> done anything at this point that is reportable, so I don't quite know
>>>>> what the best approach would be.  I am pretty creeped out how he
>>>>> targets disabled women and blind women in particular now, but that
>>>>> isn't a crime in and of itself.  Thankfully I had class the time when
>>>>> he showed up to our table hours for our awareness week on campus, and
>>>>> he didn't show up to the described movie night we just had like he
>>>>> said he was going to.  I usually have chapter meetings for another
>>>>> organization directly after the club meetings so I do have an excuse
>>>>> to leave club by a certain time, but I'm not thrilled by the idea of
>>>>> this dude showing up and being weird with my friend and I while we're
>>>>> trying to get work done, or meeting me in person and making it harder
>>>>> for him to miss me when I'm going about my business on campus.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Don't get me wrong---I totally have ignored creepy online people
>>>>> before in the few instances where they have sent me strange facebook
>>>>> chats or what have you, but the fact that this is a sighted dude on my
>>>>> campus who is going after a specific disability is really creepy to me
>>>>> and I do not feel comfortable about it.  Advice?  Also, I do
>>>>> understand that this topic kind of verges on adult conversations, but
>>>>> please keep your responses G or PG as I do not intend to break any
>>>>> list guidelines and nothing grossly inappropriate has happened here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 21 05:58:12 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 01:58:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] disclosing blindness
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References: <561dc043.64208c0a.9c8bd.ffffc326@mx.google.com>
	<CAHox4D+QmJGOm_mXHnU1RgG017j16DkqOovofY7hKihWM4jUvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJcYH6-95bLBxwRvaJo6RjYMReOJ7cbgvEE_cVzcs3cQqAgkjg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS159357D109B8F4B81F0384DDC380@phx.gbl>

Well I hope your honesty doesn't get you burnt out too quickly. Good luck.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 16, 2015, at 1:17 PM, Sandra Gayer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I aggree with Robin on this. I disclose my blindness in relation to
> everything I get involved in and sometimes, I let people know I'm
> registered blind before I apply for whatever the job/event is. It's
> not what you say, it's how you say it. It's a matter of how you
> present your disability. Portray it like a shadow and that's all it
> will be. Weave it into how you have acquired particular skills and it
> will be perfectly relevant. As for me, it's a key part of who I am as
> a person and hiding it until an in person interview would be extremely
> discourtius! If someone did that to me; said nothing until the 11th
> hour, I would think, "Hmm. If she kept that rather important thing to
> herself until now, what else is she hiding?"
> 
> Everyone has their opinion and everyone is different.
> Very best wishes,
> Sandra.
> 
>> On 10/14/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is a great topic.  Here's my rule for resumes and bios: Say what
>> you do rather than what you are.
>> 
>> I am proud of who I am, but future employers don't really care about
>> that on paper.  They might care when I come in for an interview, but
>> before then, I like to focus on what I have done.  Since much of my
>> relevant experience outside of the music world comes from the NFB or
>> other disability-related work, they might gather that I am blind.
>> Then again, they might not.  I have learned over the years (I'm really
>> not that old :)) that people know less than we think they do about
>> blindness organizations, assistive technology, and disability
>> anything.  I mean... Forget about knowing what a screen reader is,
>> they may not even understand that the adaptive computing technology
>> center, which is where I currently work, is a place where I deal
>> mainly with assistive technology and issues of web accessibility.
>> 
>> If I apply for a job at an independent living center or some other
>> place geared towards people with disabilities, then they will
>> understand the terminology and appreciate it, but the general public
>> will likely not know exactly what it is I do, let alone that I am
>> blind.
>> 
>> I stick to what I do, don't lie about my experience, and let them
>> think what they will.  If they suspect that I am blind and do not call
>> me in for an interview, I probably didn't want to work for them
>> anyway.  Of course, my confident attitude may not serve me as well
>> come January when I will no longer be a student, but I believe it to
>> be true.
>> 
>>> On 10/13/15, Lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I love this conversation because so often we talk about
>>> disclosing blindness in a job setting, but the really significant
>>> piece of this thread is that though it is professional, it is not
>>> at all about getting a job.  In an academic setting, with no
>>> interview, no job on the line, published given that it is
>>> grammatically correct and makes sense, why not include blindness
>>> if it's something that's important to you.  Why not show that we
>>> the blind are well read, great writers, good researchers etc.? In
>>> this case, it's a simple bio, no one is bringing a camera and
>>> putting you on the news to create "disability porn" (sorry if I
>>> got the phrase wrong lol).  Sometimes people are so wrapped up in
>>> what others will think that they forget to think about themselves
>>> first.  Your bio shows relevant or very important parts of your
>>> life that you choose to let others know about.  Whether or not
>>> you decide to include blindness or any other physical
>>> characteristic is solely your choice and you should not be judged
>>> for it one way or another.  I personally, would only include
>>> things that relate to my major or hobbies.
>>> Darian made some really great points in his post, and I would
>>> like to answer a few of his questions (though I know they were
>>> rhetorical):
>>> D: Is it different when creating a profile for a dating site? Is
>>> Disclosure different in a academic setting?
>>> L: I'm going to also add is it different in a work environment.
>>> Yes.  They are three completely different areas where you are
>>> trying to convey three different things.  In a work environment
>>> you're trying to make sure that no one is discriminating against
>>> you, and you're trying to prove that you can do the same amount
>>> of work as your sighted counter parts.  In an academic
>>> environment, you know that you can't be discriminated against, so
>>> you can be very open about your blindness and from there you just
>>> need to show that you are a competent, hardworking student.  In a
>>> dating environment, you can totally be discriminated against,
>>> also you're trying to be attractive in many ways.  However,  it's
>>> not good to leave blindness out because if you like someone and
>>> vice versa, they're going to know that you are blind eventually.
>>> Since this thread is related to an academic setting, I'm all for
>>> disclosing, because there really aren't any downfalls.
>>> D: And how different is the disclosure of blindness from
>>> disclosure of being a man, a woman, gay, straight, latino/Latina,
>>> asian, etc?
>>> L: I don't think they are different at all, they are
>>> characteristics that make you who you are and in an open-ended
>>> setting, you can disclose them whenever you're ready...
>>> So...  Is blindness an important part of your life? Is it
>>> something that you'd like to share with people? Does it relate to
>>> anything else in your bio? In your published work?
>>> I'm curious to know what the original poster decides to do,
>>> Lizzy
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Julie A. McGinnity
>> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
>> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Cor. 7
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Soprano Singer
> www.sandragayer.com
> 
> Broadcast Presenter
> 
> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html
> 
> Voiceover Artist
> 
> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 14:39:00 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 10:39:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Finger Prints for my iPhone 6 Questions
Message-ID: <771816FC-6036-4905-A77D-974EDF194DF9@gmail.com>

Hi all! how are you all? I'm thinking in creating a finger print for my iphone 6. After I created one,and if I odn't want to use a finger print in order to unlock my iphone, can I diactivated? just wondering!!  And are there any specific things I should and shouldn't do with the  finger print? I'm just wondering as well!! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 19:14:18 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 13:14:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating Finger Prints for my iPhone 6 Questions
In-Reply-To: <771816FC-6036-4905-A77D-974EDF194DF9@gmail.com>
References: <771816FC-6036-4905-A77D-974EDF194DF9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <392D2F14-0BC8-4C62-A8BE-1DC5F2679E06@gmail.com>

It is possible to deactivate. You just have to turn off fingerprint unlock

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 08:39, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! how are you all? I'm thinking in creating a finger print for my iphone 6. After I created one,and if I odn't want to use a finger print in order to unlock my iphone, can I diactivated? just wondering!!  And are there any specific things I should and shouldn't do with the  finger print? I'm just wondering as well!! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 02:19:31 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 22:19:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes October 2015
Message-ID: <CAK_VX0wP8UOCJjMGdtG2GtoK37oDphg5Gpf8=g+HYoJwa7+dBA@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists,
Below and attached, you will find the NABS Notes for the month of
October. This edition features several upcoming NABS events, as well
as a variety of state updates. If you have any questions or
suggestions regarding the NABS Notes, please feel free to reach out to
me at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com. Happy reading!
All Best,
Hindley

NABS Notes October 2015

The National Association of Blind Students --
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind.

In this edition of NABS’ monthly bulletin:

1.	Last Chance to Join the 2015 Legislative Leadership Workshop
2.	October Membership call: Meet the NABS Board
3.	State Updates
4.	NABS Board Meeting Minutes for October

Last Chance to Join the 2015 Legislative Leadership Workshop

Are you passionate about shaping the future for blind students through
legislative initiatives? Are you interested in advocacy, but don't
know how to get started?
If so, join the National Association of Blind Students and the
National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut for an empowering and
interactive legislative workshop!

WHO: Any students who have an interest in legislative action.  Both
experts and novices are welcome and will benefit from this exciting
workshop.
WHAT: An afternoon of interactive breakouts, moderated discussions and
informative presentations that will provide you with the skills and
know-how that will prepare you to improve accessibility of technology
and educational opportunities for the blind by passing laws in
Congress.
WHEN: Saturday, November 7, 2015 from 1:00-5:00 p.m.
WHERE: The Holiday Inn, 35 Governor Winthrop Blvd. New London, CT 06320

Interested? Act now! Space is limited, and the NFB of CT has
graciously volunteered to cover the cost of registration, lunch and
banquet dinner on the day of the event for the first 20 registrants.
Hurry up and register today:
http://goo.gl/forms/HLd0DC6RWF
Have questions? Get answers!
Email Sean Whalen at nabs.president at gmail.com or call 262 309-1034.

We hope to see you in Connecticut in November. Let’s build up
legislative leaders and build a brighter future for blind students
across America!

October Membership Call: Meet the NABS Board

Have you been wanting to know more about this year’s NABS Board?
Wondering what new and exciting things NABS is doing? Well, wait no
longer! Join the Membership Committee for its October Membership
Call! We will be introducing the members of our board and updating
you on the new structure of our committees and what each of them will
be doing this year!

Please join us Sunday, October 25th at 7 p.m. eastern for this month's
membership call. Use phone number 605-475-6700 and use code: 7869673.
As always, if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach
out to Candice Chapman, membership committee chair at
chapman.candicel at gmail.com.

State Updates

All announcements are printed below as they were received from their senders.

Arizona:
Greetings from the Arizona students association! Here in the valley of
the sun we are all thankful for the October month because with it
comes a slight weather change!!!
 This year our students division is hard at work planning for a state
wide seminar we would like to host. During this seminar we plan to
conduct presentations on blindness, recruit new members, and out reach
with the general public. It is our goal to not only increase our
student involvement but also increase the knowledge of the general
public regarding blindness. We all understand that we are capable of
living the lives we want through hope, love, and determination, but
there are some people who do not know this fact so we are hard at work
spreading the word that here in Arizona, blindness is not what defines
us!
 We are looking forward to this year and all the impact we will make
either through the recruitment of new members or social awareness of
blindness. Have a great October and awesome Halloween from all of us
in AABS!!!

California:
My my how time does fly! The NFB of California State Convention is
less than two weeks away. We will gather in Newark, CA at the
Doubletree hotel on Thursday, October 29, and our convention will run
through Sunday, November 1. There will be much excitement, including a
CABS pizza social immediately followed by our annual business meeting,
entitled Feeling the Power! We even have something for your sweet
tooth, as we will be selling high quality chocolates from Trader Joes
and Whole Foods. So come join us, meet new people, be inspired, and
let's Feel the Power!

Colorado:
CABS just held a student leadership seminar on September 26th, 2015.
We educated students from all corners of Colorado about advocating and
succeeding in college.  Presenters spoke about rehabilitation services
for blind college students and financial aid as well as other positive
topics.  We are now getting ready for our student meeting which will
be held on Saturday October 31st at the Colorado State convention.  We
have some exciting fund raising planned for the convention.  One of
them includes selling hand made key chains.  There is a handful of the
key chains that say in braille the NFB's quote: "Live the life you
want." Mark Riccobono is our National Representative for convention.
We will have more updates after the Colorado State convention. Thanks!

Connecticut:
The Connecticut Association of Blind Students (CTABS) will hold its
fourth annual business meeting, including elections, on Saturday,
November 7, as part of the National Federation of the Blind of
Connecticut State Convention, at which we will continue our snack pack
fundraiser. We are proud that a graduate of the summer program at
BLIND, Inc., has recently joined our division: until that point, the
Louisiana Center for the Blind was the only one represented in our
entire state affiliate. Our membership continues to grow as, together,
with love, hope, and determination, we are transforming dreams into
reality.

Georgia:
GABS held our state convention from October 9-11. On Friday night, the
Gems program, a mentoring program composed of students,  hosted a
pizza dinner. Afterword, we had a card game fundraiser. The next day
at our business meeting, we spoke about vocational rehabilitation,
scholarships, stenography, heard from our NABS rep Hindley Williams,
and more. Elections were held, voting in Justin Heard as president,
Joseph Pier-louis as vice-president, Nautica Whitehead as secretary,
Jackson Schwoble as treasurer, and Ernic Eyma as a board member. We
look forward to the year to come.

Illinois:
Our state convention will be held from October 30-November 1. There
will be lots of fun things going on including IABS Idol, a costume
contest, and a student lunch where our NABS rep Candice Chapman will
present.

Kansas:
Fellow students, I am writing to share with you some exciting updates
in our lovely state of Kansas. We are proud to announce that the NFB
of Kansas has recently established a student division, and we are
delighted to finally join our big family. We are working hard on
recruitment, and hopefully soon we will bring in many more people to
build the federation together. During this month we elected the board,
voting in Anya Avramenko as president, Alosha Moore as vice president,
Ashley Neybert as secretary, and Pavan Chelikani as treasurer. We are
rapidly approaching the time of our state convention, which will take
place in Wichita, Kansas on November 20 through 22nd. We are very
excited about this event because it will be our first convention where
the members of our newly-formed student division will have a chance to
get together to brainstorm ideas and to create a plan for our future
activities and projects. We have invited our national liaison from
NABS, Hindley Williams, who will help us generate ideas about making
our student division active and successful. We might be able to stream
our convention online, and everyone is invited to virtually join and
enjoy our great convention with us. Later we will be posting the
information about the means through which the streaming will be
available. Anybody who would like to come and participate is also
welcome!
We are very excited that, despite all the challenges, we were still
able to create the student division in Kansas, and we greatly
anticipate collaborative work with NABS in the future. All the members
of Kansas student division are very involved, dedicated, and
enthusiastic, and I am looking forward to working with them on
building the lives we want.
For any questions, comments, or suggestions, please reach the
president Anya Avramenko at: (720)499-4730, or via e-mail at:
annita.co.usa at gmail.com
Or vice president Alosha Moore at (316)312-3454 or via e-mail at:
aloshamoore at gmail.com

Maryland:
The 49th convention of the NFB of Maryland is just around the corner,
and the Maryland Association of Blind Students is hard at work
planning a variety of activities which will empower you to live the
life you want as a blind student. The focal point of our activities
will be our annual business meeting, which will take place on Friday,
November 13 from 2:00-4:00 PM. We have a jam-packed agenda planned,
including a presentation from a blind chemistry professor who shows
that blindness need not hold you back from participating in
college-level science classes, inspiring remarks from our affiliate
President about how students serve as a valuable part of our movement,
an informational presentation on the ABLE Act and how it can benefit
you as a blind student, a panel of college students who share their
firsthand perspectives on the college experience, and much more. Also,
we are planning a fun and inspiring luncheon just for students on
Saturday afternoon, featuring an opportunity to get to know our
members and leaders, a keynote address by our national representative,
Jeanie Massay, and—oh yes—pizza! This will be a convention you will
not want to miss! Join us November 13-15 at the Carousel Hotel in
beautiful Ocean City as we learn together how the Maryland Association
of Blind Students is transforming dreams into reality!

Massachusetts:
MASSABS hosted our fall student meeting on Saturday October 17 at
Harvard Law School. We had around 20 people in attendance including
three newbies. We are also beginning to plan our state convention
agenda for February 2016 in Boston.

Michigan:
The Michigan Association of Blind Students is busy planning for a weekend of
federation fun, food, and friendship to take place during our state
convention on November 6 - 8, 2015 in Lansing, Michigan. The festivities
kick off on Friday evening with a student dinner followed by ice breaker
games. The activities continue On Saturday with a business meeting during
the convention lunch break where we will hear from our national
Representative, Kevan Worley, along with electing new members to our board.
We will also be holding a raffle fundraiser with three fabulous prizes. For
more information on how you can get involved with these fun activities,
please contact MABS President, Jordyn Castor, at students at nfbmi.org

Minnesota:
The Minnesota Association of Blind Students has a new board! The new
officers are as follows:
President: Cody Beardslee
1st Vice President: Jessica Katzung
2nd Vice President: Megan Bening
Secretary: Quinn Haberl
Treasurer: Candice Chapman
I am excited to be working with the new Board! We look forward to
keeping you posted with all of our news and events!
-Candice Chapman

North Carolina:
Hello and Happy Halloween from the students of the North Carolina
Association of Blind Students, better known as NCABS!!!The focus of
our conference call this month was to lay out the goals for NCABS over
the next year. Five committees were appointed to help us reach our
goals and continue to make NCABS better and better. The Event Planning
Committee will be planning events for blind students across the state.
The Fundraising Committee will be creating ways for us to raise money
and help fund the movement. Our Legislative Committee will be
advocating for equal access legislation. We will be spreading the word
about NCANS and the NFB through our Media and Publicity Committee. And
last, but not least, our Membership Committee will be using creative
and strategic methods to increase the number of people participating
in our great organizations. So as you see, NCABS has a lot planned for
the next year and with our dedicated members we are sure to reach them
all. Please stay tuned for more NCABS updates, and spread the word
about us to any blind students you know in our great state!

Pennsylvania:
The Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students is gearing up for what
is sure to be a memorable state convention! Our state convention will
be taking place from November 13-15 in Wilkes-Barre, PA. We are
excited to have President Mark Riccobono at our convention as the
national rep. We are also excited for our student activities,
including a business meeting on Friday evening, and a fifty-fifty
raffle fundraiser. For any questions about how to attend our state
convention, please contact Hindley Williams at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com.

Texas:
Here in Texas, we are looking forward to our state convention to be
held in Austin on November 13-15. We have a jam packed business
meeting happening on Friday night in which elections will be held.
TABS will be selling snack packs and breakfast tacos during the
convention. These snack packs are filled with tons of goodies and are
worth their $5.00. We will be having a lunch for students on Saturday
afternoon. As usual, our convention promises to be filled with fun,
food, and federation friends and family.

Virginia:
We are 2 weeks away from what will be an amazing convention!!
Convention will be held at Tyson's Corner in Falls Church, VA. We have
a great youth track planned which will involve a halloween themed meet
and greet on Friday evening where students will meet other students
and mentors and participate in icebreakers. In addition students will
have a travel excursion to the Metro and will have a seminar lead by
one of our great leaders in the Federation, Dr. Fred Schroeder.
Saturday afternoon, the student division will conduct our annual
business meeting, which will include elections. It will be an exciting
time as new leaders emerge. We are also planning to have two different
fundraisers during convention, one of which is a jailbreak fundraiser
borrowed from the North Carolina Association of Blind Students. The
other will be a bake sale at the exhibit hall. We are looking forward
to have a great time and welcoming Kathryn Webster, our NABS rep, to
Virginia.

October NABS Board Meeting Minutes

National Association of Blind Students

Board Meeting Minutes
October 18, 2015

Meeting called to order at 9:04 p.m.

Members Present:

Sean Whalen (President)
Candice Chapman (1st Vice President)
Bre Brown (2nd Vice President)
Kathryn Webster (Secretary/Treasurer)
Hindley Williams (Board Member 1)
Chris Nusbaum (Board member 3)

Treasurer’s Report:
Checking account: $4,848.82
Authorization needed for Hindley’s reimbursement and Candice’s agenda copies.
No outstanding checks.
We are going to handle Stitchville by sending Al Elia a check.

Committee Reports

Communications: Bre, Hindley, and Chris
NABS Notes: In need of state updates; due to Hindley Monday at
midnight. Email hbwilliams16 at gmail.com.
We will start incorporating our one-minute message in NABS Notes.
Social Media: Increasing followers and friends on Twitter and Facebook
(respectively.) Please join and share our event for the “2015
Legislative Leadership Workshop” that will take place during the 2015
Connecticut State Convention on Saturday, November 7.
Blog: BELL blog is coming.
Bre is working on scholarship page. Bre and Kathryn will begin
incorporating new links into our website to list scholarship
opportunities.

Fundraising: Kathryn
Please spread Gofundme (www.gofundme.com/blindstudents) to family,
friends, colleagues, different Facebook groups/pages.
Distribute funding packet to local businesses,
sororities/fraternities, Lions Clubs, Elks lodges, etc.
We are having a Chile’s fundraiser on October 21 in Ruston, LA.
We have an Applebee’s fundraiser in December.

Legislative: Sean and Kathryn
Legislative workshop: Registration is still open. The first 20
registrants will receive free registration, meals, and banquet dinner
for the CT State Convention courtesy of the CT Affiliate. You can find
the workshop registration link on our website. Please encourage your
states to register. If in need of transportation funding, reach out to
local chapters and affiliates.
Letter campaign: We are pushing for 250 by early to mid-December.
Please write one if you have not; and please encourage your states to
do the same.
College update: Progress at Arizona State University, Wake Forest
University, and Ramapo College

Membership: Candice
Interested in doing a “Meet the Board” conference call. This is
planned for Sunday, October 25 at 7 p.m. eastern. Let your states
know; and Candice will handle the blast through NABS-L and NFB Student
list.

Website: Kathryn
Please send state president updates to Kathryn as conventions happen.

State Updates
Minnesota: new Board; new president; excited for the upcoming year;
Candice was in attendance.
Georgia: Went really well; Hindley was the NABS Rep. Good fundraisers
Maryland: Convention November 13-15; Chris would love for board members to come
Michigan: Candice will handle it if it’s either Friday evening or Saturday
Colorado: We will not be sending a NABS Rep since it is two weeks
away, but we will hopefully appear through Skype.
Note: NABS Reps should be in contact with the National Rep prior to Convention.

Old Business:
Matching for Washington Seminar: We will be distributing the
application for student sponsorship very soon. Forms are due on
November 22 and decisions will be made on December 15. Please recruit
future leaders, current leaders, and your states. Funding will be
determined based on how much we raise by the deadline. Anil, Patti,
Kathryn, and Sean will be discussing further details this week.
Note: Dates are tentative for application and turn around.

New Business:
We will be putting our NFB logo on all social media accounts and website.
Creating a NABS Rep follow-up form for state presidents to fill out
after State Conventions.

Washington Seminar activities: Legislative training on Monday
afternoon potentially. Instead of our Resource Fair, we could
distribute a resource packet.
We will be in contact with President Riccobono on his thoughts, since
there is a legislative training already held each year.
Fundraising during Washington Seminar: NABS Auction on Monday or
Tuesday? Will be decided at next meeting.

Meeting adjourned at 10:13 p.m.

As always, please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions,
concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to
know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in
November.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


-- 
Hindley Williams
hbwilliams16 at gmail.com
(443) 823-0867
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From desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 14:21:22 2015
From: desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com (siddhi desai)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 10:21:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teletracking
Message-ID: <CAB34Egt=FeH9xhuP-ZDSjuj8jVqiLrB75YoovgLinNVQdbP8rA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Has anyone used The products from this website?
http://www.teletracking.com/

Let me know opinions about their products' accessibility with JAWS.

Sincerely,
Siddhi


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Oct 22 20:41:09 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:41:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
Message-ID: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>

Hi
I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
Best,
Mikayla

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Oct 22 20:50:59 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 20:50:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
In-Reply-To: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
References: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB096457AB68B811A236A41AA1CE270@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Michaela, that information the Best Buy provided you with absolutely wrong to do or say. As they clearly sell different times of Bluetooth headsets. One good Brandon, or a couple good brands are following. Logitech, or Bose. When looking at bubbles, they have the option of wired and Bluetooth or just strictly Bluetooth headsets. And they provide very good sound quality. Under the Logitech, they have different ones that are different sizes and they also offer USB,/Bluetooth headsets. As well. As for the woman at Best Buy, I will definitely call him report her back customer service and when you do so make sure that you're speaking with the manager and let them know how you are treated when you visited their store. I hope this letter helps you.

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Oct 22 20:58:50 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:58:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB096457AB68B811A236A41AA1CE270@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
	<BN3PR1201MB096457AB68B811A236A41AA1CE270@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <771DDFFA-0FB8-4C4D-A8F2-76EA4F8D6342@icloud.com>

Thank you Joseph. This is exactly why I posted, because there are so many tech savy and great people like you on the list.

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 4:50 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Michaela, that information the Best Buy provided you with absolutely wrong to do or say. As they clearly sell different times of Bluetooth headsets. One good Brandon, or a couple good brands are following. Logitech, or Bose. When looking at bubbles, they have the option of wired and Bluetooth or just strictly Bluetooth headsets. And they provide very good sound quality. Under the Logitech, they have different ones that are different sizes and they also offer USB,/Bluetooth headsets. As well. As for the woman at Best Buy, I will definitely call him report her back customer service and when you do so make sure that you're speaking with the manager and let them know how you are treated when you visited their store. I hope this letter helps you.
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 22 21:23:09 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 16:23:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
In-Reply-To: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
References: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000039770636@mailfront2.g2host.com>

The Stream does not have bluetooth. In theory you can add an 
adapter/dongle that generates bluetooth, but it may be more trouble 
and expense than it is worth.

Dave

At 03:41 PM 10/22/2015, you wrote:
>Hi
>I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the 
>lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to 
>know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought 
>at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air 
>or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to 
>be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and 
>long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more 
>knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I 
>also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you 
>recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking 
>you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just 
>need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with 
>Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
>Best,
>Mikayla



From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Thu Oct 22 21:52:42 2015
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 14:52:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] MIUSA completes 1st podcast series: #BlindAbroad
Message-ID: <000f01d10d13$fd877df0$f89679d0$@miusa.org>

Dear friends!

 

Mobility International USA has just completed our first podcast series for
the #BlindAbroad campaign: Ripple Effects: Travelers with Disabilities
Abroad!

 

This podcast features (9) stories from American and international
participants who are blind that speak about issues from tactile tips for
navigating abroad to applying to the Peace Corps and Fulbright!

 

Please listen and share!

 

http://www.miusa.org/podcast

 

Also stay tuned for our next series focused on international students with
disabilities!

 

Best,

Monica

 

Monica Malhotra

Project Coordinator, National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange

Mobility International USA (MIUSA)

132 E Broadway, Suite 343

Eugene, Oregon 97401 USA

(541) 343-1284 ext 27

Email: mmalhotra at miusa.org <mailto:mmalhotra at miusa.org> 

Web: www.miusa.org <http://www.miusa.org> 

Are you a MIUSA alum? Complete our survey to stay in touch, or share it with
your fellow alumni! Visit  <http://ow.ly/NQmgY> http://ow.ly/NQmgY  

 

Empowering people with disabilities around the world to achieve their human
rights through international exchange and international development.

 

 


From missannawalker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 03:07:53 2015
From: missannawalker at gmail.com (Anne Catherine Walker)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 23:07:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Is Indiana's CALM website accessible?
Message-ID: <CAEjPGkhgNkLJBR+RU4gxcCt5LmtE7GPA-AoeLgcPDW+erQgSBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

My teacher will be using CALM (Computer Assisted Learning Method, from
Indiana University: http://calm.indiana.edu/) next semester. Have any of
you used it? Is it accessible?



-- 
Anna Catherine Walker
Student
105 Creamery Road
Boiling Springs, PA    17007
Voice: 717-658-9239

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 04:14:18 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 00:14:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
In-Reply-To: <auto-000039770636@mailfront2.g2host.com>
References: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
	<auto-000039770636@mailfront2.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fa_2TBFXNeK16UvLqAjCYmnCAd5Ohae7_ZpkdRSSSsevQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'd also recommend checking out AT Guys.  I bought a set of
Aftershocks (the Bluez 2 model) from them a few months ago and love
them.  I use them with my computer which is a PC for class, as well as
with my IPhone and my tablet.  They're easy to use, and though I don't
know much about how other models work everything is spoken on them
which is nice.  E.G, when you start pairing it the device will say,
"Pairing," and when you press the button for battery status it will
say, "Battery high/medium/low."  It also says "Charge me" when you're
really low, which I think is kind of funny.

Logitech and Bose are also good brands, but the nice thing about AT
Guys is that they cater more to the devices we would need to use and
have more specific knowledge of the devices we might want to use the
headset with.  The set I have cost me about $100 and I know you can
get cheaper headsets, but they're really nice and I don't regret
buying them.

On 10/22/15, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The Stream does not have bluetooth. In theory you can add an
> adapter/dongle that generates bluetooth, but it may be more trouble
> and expense than it is worth.
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:41 PM 10/22/2015, you wrote:
>>Hi
>>I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the
>>lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to
>>know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought
>>at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air
>>or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to
>>be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and
>>long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more
>>knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I
>>also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you
>>recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking
>>you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just
>>need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with
>>Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
>>Best,
>>Mikayla
>
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 04:37:54 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:37:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bluetooth Headset
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Fa_2TBFXNeK16UvLqAjCYmnCAd5Ohae7_ZpkdRSSSsevQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F6B3E7A7-A598-48A3-86B9-9DF1CCDBCC09@icloud.com>
	<auto-000039770636@mailfront2.g2host.com>
	<CAFja7Fa_2TBFXNeK16UvLqAjCYmnCAd5Ohae7_ZpkdRSSSsevQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5629B9A2.5000209@gmail.com>

personally like the tone series from LG. the one I have is the 730. The 
headset hangs around your neck, with two plastic components at each end. 
The ear buds magnetize into these. From here, you can control Siri, 
redial, do all the music controls you are accustomed to, and 
muting/unmuting the microphone. The headset mike is nothing spectacular 
but it is better than some I have seen. There are a couple of things 
that draw me to this particular headset. The ear buds will never tangle. 
They magnetize into each end of the neck piece, and then there is a 
piece of chord linking them to the neck piece, with a sliding band that 
lets you control how much chord you have to work with, it's hard to 
explain. They are also very comfortable, most of the time i almost 
forget I'm wearing them. It makes it very convenient to just pop out an 
ear bud and put it in one ear, and then when i don't want it anymore, i 
can either stow it out of the way and magnetize it back into the hole, 
or just let it hang free and not bother. It sounds very good, and talks 
through everything, if it connects, is ready to pare, and battery 
status. The battery only takes likes 2 and a half hours to charge, and 
has lasted me two days of very heavy use, sometimes i can even get three 
out of it. and it vibrates when you get a call on the phone. I use it 
pared with my laptop and phone. It is possible to pare to two things at 
once an d then switch between which one you want to hear, which is nice 
and convenient, most of the time anyway. And best of all, it's only 60 
dollars on amazon!
I hope this helps you find something. Let me know if i can help with 
anything else.
On 10/22/2015 9:14 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'd also recommend checking out AT Guys.  I bought a set of
> Aftershocks (the Bluez 2 model) from them a few months ago and love
> them.  I use them with my computer which is a PC for class, as well as
> with my IPhone and my tablet.  They're easy to use, and though I don't
> know much about how other models work everything is spoken on them
> which is nice.  E.G, when you start pairing it the device will say,
> "Pairing," and when you press the button for battery status it will
> say, "Battery high/medium/low."  It also says "Charge me" when you're
> really low, which I think is kind of funny.
>
> Logitech and Bose are also good brands, but the nice thing about AT
> Guys is that they cater more to the devices we would need to use and
> have more specific knowledge of the devices we might want to use the
> headset with.  The set I have cost me about $100 and I know you can
> get cheaper headsets, but they're really nice and I don't regret
> buying them.
>
> On 10/22/15, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The Stream does not have bluetooth. In theory you can add an
>> adapter/dongle that generates bluetooth, but it may be more trouble
>> and expense than it is worth.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> At 03:41 PM 10/22/2015, you wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> I am looking for a bluetooth headset. I went to Best Buy and the
>>> lady suggested that I go to Wallmart. However, she did not seem to
>>> know much about the headsets they had anyway. The headset I bought
>>> at Wallmart said it worked with  phones, but it did not say Mac Air
>>> or Ipad. it also looked like one specially made for music. I need to
>>> be able to use it with my Iphone, Ipad, and Mac Air for school and
>>> long car rides. i might go back to Best Buy to get someone with more
>>> knowledge, but think Radio Shack might be a better place to go. I
>>> also found what looks like a good one on Amazon. What would you
>>> recommend? Is there a certain one that you recommend? I am asking
>>> you because you have to use text to speech in class, and do not just
>>> need headsets for music. Also, do Bluetooth headsets work with
>>> Victor Reader Streams? Any thoughts  would be appriciated. Thank you.
>>> Best,
>>> Mikayla
>>
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From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 04:41:08 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 21:41:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] french dictionary software?
Message-ID: <5629BA64.1060203@gmail.com>

Hello. I am taking a french class currently and was curious if there was 
any software that would facilitate a french dictionary on my computer? 
This would be very useful.
Thank you in advance for the help
Jessica.


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 05:14:23 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 00:14:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] french dictionary software?
In-Reply-To: <5629BA64.1060203@gmail.com>
References: <5629BA64.1060203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bgnmSdjwjKbp_1CcPQwQ8YqoT5tniP2wVbFQW86V-rS9w@mail.gmail.com>

Are you using a Mac, or Windows?
Thanks

On 10/22/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello. I am taking a french class currently and was curious if there was
> any software that would facilitate a french dictionary on my computer?
> This would be very useful.
> Thank you in advance for the help
> Jessica.
>
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the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 05:16:21 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 22:16:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] french dictionary software?
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bgnmSdjwjKbp_1CcPQwQ8YqoT5tniP2wVbFQW86V-rS9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5629BA64.1060203@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bgnmSdjwjKbp_1CcPQwQ8YqoT5tniP2wVbFQW86V-rS9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5629C2A5.4090209@gmail.com>

sorry, i should have specified that. i'm on windows.


On 10/22/2015 10:14 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote:
> Are you using a Mac, or Windows?
> Thanks
>
> On 10/22/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello. I am taking a french class currently and was curious if there was
>> any software that would facilitate a french dictionary on my computer?
>> This would be very useful.
>> Thank you in advance for the help
>> Jessica.
>>
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 05:54:56 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 00:54:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] french dictionary software?
In-Reply-To: <5629C2A5.4090209@gmail.com>
References: <5629BA64.1060203@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bgnmSdjwjKbp_1CcPQwQ8YqoT5tniP2wVbFQW86V-rS9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<5629C2A5.4090209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bj-HxwEavykdVw8giR_2xfJb09zP0fm648zim3Ou-3aTw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure Rosetta Stone has something.
Thanks

On 10/23/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> sorry, i should have specified that. i'm on windows.
>
>
> On 10/22/2015 10:14 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote:
>> Are you using a Mac, or Windows?
>> Thanks
>>
>> On 10/22/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello. I am taking a french class currently and was curious if there was
>>> any software that would facilitate a french dictionary on my computer?
>>> This would be very useful.
>>> Thank you in advance for the help
>>> Jessica.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
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"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:07:06 2015
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:07:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] October Membership Call
Message-ID: <CAKQ+JjzP7GWxHs_xh0WVQQ4t2WdhzvA=oG5Nvjg3Q5riKwuNdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings NABS!

I hope that as the semester nears it's midpoint that you all are doing
wwell and keeping your heads above water!

The Membership Committee is pleased to inform you about our October
Membership Call. We will be having a Meet the Board call where you
will get the opportunity to get to know the newest members of the NABS
board and learn about what each committee will be up to this year. So,
bring your questions, thoughts, and ideas. We're looking forward to
chatting with you all!

The call will take place this Sunday, October 25th at 7 p.m. eastern.
The call in information is as follows:

Phone: 605-475-6700
code: 7869673

Talk to you soon!

Best,

Candice


From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:27:22 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:27:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on accessible
	webinar sites?
Message-ID: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 

 I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a
nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used by
teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and crisis
intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone. 

 Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to providing
accessible service. 

 Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar, branched
off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility nightmare it was.
We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at all I
and others called and found that out. 

 Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users is
totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the training piece
of it, as all training is done remotely and they train like at least eighty
people at a time. 

 Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well but
can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and doesn't
have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However  in my case
the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be on both uber
conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could verbally talk  to
them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else could be done on the chat
part of the crisis text line site which works fine. 

 We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm extremely
happy and totally impressed with their commitment and resourcefulness. 

 They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more
blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm writing
this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer opportunity from home. 

 The site is: 

 www.crisistextline.org 

  Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching for
more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them. I heard
about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does anyone have
thoughts on other services or is talking communities the best one out there?


 Thanks so much! 

 Sam 

 

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From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:35:19 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:35:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
 accessible webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>

Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube has
livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a
> nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used by
> teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and crisis
> intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone.
>
>  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to providing
> accessible service.
>
>  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar,
> branched
> off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility nightmare it was.
> We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at all I
> and others called and found that out.
>
>  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users is
> totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the training piece
> of it, as all training is done remotely and they train like at least eighty
> people at a time.
>
>  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well but
> can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and doesn't
> have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However  in my case
> the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be on both uber
> conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could verbally talk  to
> them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else could be done on the
> chat
> part of the crisis text line site which works fine.
>
>  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm extremely
> happy and totally impressed with their commitment and resourcefulness.
>
>  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more
> blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm writing
> this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer opportunity from home.
>
>  The site is:
>
>  www.crisistextline.org
>
>   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching for
> more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them. I heard
> about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does anyone have
> thoughts on other services or is talking communities the best one out
> there?
>
>
>  Thanks so much!
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
> Check out my blog
>
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  and
> anynomous survey!
>
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
>
>
>
>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:39:11 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:39:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
	accessible webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>

Hi. 
 Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately
though? 
 I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I was on
it and it wasn't too great with NVDA. 
 But that could have changed. 
 Thanks. 
 Sam 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
mestemacher via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: john mestemacher
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
accessible webinar sites?

Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube has
livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a 
> nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used 
> by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and 
> crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone.
>
>  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to 
> providing accessible service.
>
>  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar, 
> branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility 
> nightmare it was.
> We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at 
> all I and others called and found that out.
>
>  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users 
> is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the 
> training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they train 
> like at least eighty people at a time.
>
>  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well 
> but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and 
> doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However  
> in my case the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be 
> on both uber conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could 
> verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else 
> could be done on the chat part of the crisis text line site which 
> works fine.
>
>  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm 
> extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
resourcefulness.
>
>  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more 
> blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm 
> writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer opportunity
from home.
>
>  The site is:
>
>  www.crisistextline.org
>
>   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching 
> for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them. 
> I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does 
> anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the 
> best one out there?
>
>
>  Thanks so much!
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
> Check out my blog
>
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  
> and anynomous survey!
>
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
>
>
>
>
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From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:41:43 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 13:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
 accessible webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFMjSXvpjCYJHdFeUFfctb6Yg9KkJftWww4PWi4foyX4FQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes. I suppose you could set it up so that only people who have the link
can access the video.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:40, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi.
>  Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately
> though?
>  I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I was
> on
> it and it wasn't too great with NVDA.
>  But that could have changed.
>  Thanks.
>  Sam
>
> Check out my blog
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  and
> anynomous survey!
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
> mestemacher via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: john mestemacher
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
> accessible webinar sites?
>
> Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube has
> livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
> On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a
> > nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used
> > by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and
> > crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone.
> >
> >  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to
> > providing accessible service.
> >
> >  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar,
> > branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility
> > nightmare it was.
> > We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at
> > all I and others called and found that out.
> >
> >  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users
> > is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the
> > training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they train
> > like at least eighty people at a time.
> >
> >  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well
> > but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and
> > doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However
> > in my case the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be
> > on both uber conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could
> > verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else
> > could be done on the chat part of the crisis text line site which
> > works fine.
> >
> >  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm
> > extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
> resourcefulness.
> >
> >  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more
> > blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm
> > writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer opportunity
> from home.
> >
> >  The site is:
> >
> >  www.crisistextline.org
> >
> >   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching
> > for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them.
> > I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does
> > anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the
> > best one out there?
> >
> >
> >  Thanks so much!
> >
> >  Sam
> >
> >
> >
> > Check out my blog
> >
> >  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
> >
> >  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick
> > and anynomous survey!
> >
> > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 18:57:50 2015
From: rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com (andrew edgcumbe)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:57:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] vollunteer opportunity
Message-ID: <CAGcQ9RZomCrtP0Y_B04Wur-VzivyPgFyi6rennjFZ09-+LOOrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all I myself would just like to say there is another vollunteer
opportunity. it is long the same lines as  the chrisis help line but  it is
a online support group.  we would love to have you as a member and better
yet an admin  if you would like more information please email me privately
my email is  rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com

From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:26:25 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:26:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
	accessible webinar sites?
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Hi. 
 I'll let her know about it. If anyone has other thoughts please let me
know. Just want to give her as many options as possible. 
 Sam 

Check out my blog 
 Matterstosam.wordpress.com 
 What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  and
anynomous survey! 
https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
mestemacher via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: john mestemacher
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
accessible webinar sites?

Yes. I suppose you could set it up so that only people who have the link can
access the video.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:40, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi.
>  Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately 
> though?
>  I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I 
> was on it and it wasn't too great with NVDA.
>  But that could have changed.
>  Thanks.
>  Sam
>
> Check out my blog
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  
> and anynomous survey!
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john 
> mestemacher via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: john mestemacher
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on 
> accessible webinar sites?
>
> Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube 
> has livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
> On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> >  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, 
> > a nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often 
> > used by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional 
> > support and crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling
on the phone.
> >
> >  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to 
> > providing accessible service.
> >
> >  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar, 
> > branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility 
> > nightmare it was.
> > We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at 
> > all I and others called and found that out.
> >
> >  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users 
> > is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the 
> > training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they 
> > train like at least eighty people at a time.
> >
> >  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very 
> > well but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar 
> > can and doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their 
> > webcam. However in my case the work around we came up with was for 
> > the trainers to be on both uber conference and go to webinar at the 
> > same time so I could verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't 
> > hear me. Everything else could be done on the chat part of the 
> > crisis text line site which works fine.
> >
> >  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm 
> > extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
> resourcefulness.
> >
> >  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting 
> > more blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why 
> > I'm writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer 
> > opportunity
> from home.
> >
> >  The site is:
> >
> >  www.crisistextline.org
> >
> >   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are 
> > searching for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone
using them.
> > I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does 
> > anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the 
> > best one out there?
> >
> >
> >  Thanks so much!
> >
> >  Sam
> >
> >
> >
> > Check out my blog
> >
> >  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
> >
> >  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this 
> > quick and anynomous survey!
> >
> > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:34:28 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 12:34:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Community Service Division Newsletter
Message-ID: <F08FFFBF-4884-491A-AF7C-641B4983020A@gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists,
  I just wanted to  share with you all the first ever newsletter of the National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division. 
  Please check it out and share with us your thoughts
  Best,
  Darian 
 http://nfbcommunityservice.org/newsletter_fall_2015.

From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 19:35:48 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 14:35:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
 accessible webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <00f901d10dc8$b65aa870$230ff950$@gmail.com>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFMjSXvpjCYJHdFeUFfctb6Yg9KkJftWww4PWi4foyX4FQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00f901d10dc8$b65aa870$230ff950$@gmail.com>
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Also it's free.
On Oct 23, 2015 14:27, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi.
>  I'll let her know about it. If anyone has other thoughts please let me
> know. Just want to give her as many options as possible.
>  Sam
>
> Check out my blog
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  and
> anynomous survey!
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
> mestemacher via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:42 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: john mestemacher
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
> accessible webinar sites?
>
> Yes. I suppose you could set it up so that only people who have the link
> can
> access the video.
> On Oct 23, 2015 13:40, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi.
> >  Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately
> > though?
> >  I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I
> > was on it and it wasn't too great with NVDA.
> >  But that could have changed.
> >  Thanks.
> >  Sam
> >
> > Check out my blog
> >  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
> >  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick
> > and anynomous survey!
> > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
> > mestemacher via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Cc: john mestemacher
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
> > accessible webinar sites?
> >
> > Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube
> > has livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
> > On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > >  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline,
> > > a nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often
> > > used by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional
> > > support and crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling
> on the phone.
> > >
> > >  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to
> > > providing accessible service.
> > >
> > >  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar,
> > > branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility
> > > nightmare it was.
> > > We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at
> > > all I and others called and found that out.
> > >
> > >  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users
> > > is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the
> > > training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they
> > > train like at least eighty people at a time.
> > >
> > >  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very
> > > well but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar
> > > can and doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their
> > > webcam. However in my case the work around we came up with was for
> > > the trainers to be on both uber conference and go to webinar at the
> > > same time so I could verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't
> > > hear me. Everything else could be done on the chat part of the
> > > crisis text line site which works fine.
> > >
> > >  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm
> > > extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
> > resourcefulness.
> > >
> > >  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting
> > > more blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why
> > > I'm writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer
> > > opportunity
> > from home.
> > >
> > >  The site is:
> > >
> > >  www.crisistextline.org
> > >
> > >   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are
> > > searching for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone
> using them.
> > > I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does
> > > anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the
> > > best one out there?
> > >
> > >
> > >  Thanks so much!
> > >
> > >  Sam
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Check out my blog
> > >
> > >  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
> > >
> > >  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this
> > > quick and anynomous survey!
> > >
> > > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 23 22:44:46 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 18:44:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts onaccessible
	webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com><CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28A5BD5819C349ECBD4F91DD7EB27A34@OwnerPC>

no youtube is not a private thing. You are looking for a private online 
conference room, and youtube is not that. there is a difference between 
streaming media and conferences. An accessible conference platform is using 
the talking communities software that hadley school for the blind uses. I 
think something like team viewer might be accessible too.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:39 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts onaccessible 
webinar sites?

Hi.
Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately
though?
I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I was on
it and it wasn't too great with NVDA.
But that could have changed.
Thanks.
Sam

Check out my blog
Matterstosam.wordpress.com
What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick  and
anynomous survey!
https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
mestemacher via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: john mestemacher
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
accessible webinar sites?

Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube has
livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a
> nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used
> by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and
> crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone.
>
>  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to
> providing accessible service.
>
>  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar,
> branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility
> nightmare it was.
> We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at
> all I and others called and found that out.
>
>  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users
> is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the
> training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they train
> like at least eighty people at a time.
>
>  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well
> but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and
> doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However
> in my case the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be
> on both uber conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could
> verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else
> could be done on the chat part of the crisis text line site which
> works fine.
>
>  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm
> extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
resourcefulness.
>
>  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more
> blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm
> writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer opportunity
from home.
>
>  The site is:
>
>  www.crisistextline.org
>
>   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching
> for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them.
> I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does
> anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the
> best one out there?
>
>
>  Thanks so much!
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
> Check out my blog
>
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick
> and anynomous survey!
>
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
>
>
>
>
>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 22:49:23 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 17:49:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts onaccessible
	webinar sites?
In-Reply-To: <28A5BD5819C349ECBD4F91DD7EB27A34@OwnerPC>
References: <039301d10dc0$76e70ab0$64b52010$@gmail.com><CABxPbFNNsEh8=3UjhPMqp_facV6nRhPHcLc+ni9uFtRXNdyeTg@mail.gmail.com>
	<03e401d10dc2$1de24680$59a6d380$@gmail.com>
	<28A5BD5819C349ECBD4F91DD7EB27A34@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <038401d10de5$1080bf80$31823e80$@gmail.com>

Hi Ashley, 
 Thanks. Yes I'm looking for a conference room and have sent my trainer the
information on talking communities. This might be the way to go as it's been
recommended many times. 
 Sam 

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 Matterstosam.wordpress.com 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts onaccessible
webinar sites?

no youtube is not a private thing. You are looking for a private online
conference room, and youtube is not that. there is a difference between
streaming media and conferences. An accessible conference platform is using
the talking communities software that hadley school for the blind uses. I
think something like team viewer might be accessible too.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 2:39 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts onaccessible
webinar sites?

Hi.
Huh never thought of that  at all. Could it be done totally privately
though?
I suppose google hang outs could be an option too? Though one time I was on
it and it wasn't too great with NVDA.
But that could have changed.
Thanks.
Sam

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of john
mestemacher via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:35 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: john mestemacher
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] crisis textline volunteering and thoughts on
accessible webinar sites?

Best site to stream any kind of thing like that is YouTube. YouTube has
livestreaming now so nobody really ever needs to do anything else.
On Oct 23, 2015 13:28, "Sam Nelson via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
>  I'm currently involved in a volunteer training for crisis textline, a 
> nonprofit organization that provides a text services most often used 
> by teenagers where they can text in and receive emotional support and 
> crisis intervention similar to a hotline  minus the calling on the phone.
>
>  Anyway the staff and trainers are excellent and committed to 
> providing accessible service.
>
>  Unfortunately this was their first experience using go to webinar, 
> branched off go to meeting. So they didn'[t know the accessibility 
> nightmare it was.
> We found that out quickly! They have no desire to help the blind at 
> all I and others called and found that out.
>
>  Luckely the crisis line live platform for actually service to users 
> is totally accessible as is their website. This is just for the 
> training piece of it, as all training is done remotely and they train 
> like at least eighty people at a time.
>
>  Louckely as well they  can use Uber conference, which works very well 
> but can't hold the number of participants that go to webinar can and 
> doesn't have the  ability for trainers to share their webcam. However 
> in my case the work around we came up with was for the trainers to be 
> on both uber conference and go to webinar at the same time so I could 
> verbally talk  to them, the others wouldn't hear me. Everything else 
> could be done on the chat part of the crisis text line site which 
> works fine.
>
>  We fnally figured this out after a nhtmare week! But now I'm 
> extremely happy and totally impressed with their commitment and
resourcefulness.
>
>  They're looking forward to fixing this issue totally and getting more 
> blind/ visually impaired people on board which is  partly why I'm 
> writing this to let you guys know  about the great volunteer 
> opportunity
from home.
>
>  The site is:
>
>  www.crisistextline.org
>
>   Lastly and where I need your input, the trainer and I are searching 
> for more accessible services both for the blind and anyone using them.
> I heard about talking communities and sent her info on that. Does 
> anyone have thoughts on other services or is talking communities the 
> best one out there?
>
>
>  Thanks so much!
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
> Check out my blog
>
>  Matterstosam.wordpress.com
>
>  What's your preferred method of online peer support? Take this quick 
> and anynomous survey!
>
> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/zfalva01wb12s0/
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From crysania at sbcglobal.net  Sat Oct 24 18:53:37 2015
From: crysania at sbcglobal.net (Lisa Cushman)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 11:53:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Test Preparation Materials for the CBEST
Message-ID: <F157ADB2-5C3F-4064-9AD9-6C728D76E129@sbcglobal.net>

Hello,

I am preparing to take the CBEST.  Does anybody know of any accessible CBEST preparation materials?  I downloaded a book on Bookshare but it had too many errors to be very useful.  I can do Braille or any electronic format.  I would greatly appreciate any resources that anyone has to offer.

Thanks,
Lisa




From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Sat Oct 24 20:51:25 2015
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:51:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About GRE Testing
Message-ID: <D89BF37D-FE9E-4ABA-A0A3-BD3AF543912C@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Good day.
	 I was wondering if anyone has taken the GRE within the past year, used  the read-aloud option, and how much time were you able to get accommodated? Double time? Triple time?I tried to get triple time because of the time lost having various diagrams and instructions explained. Thank you in advance for your feedback.
James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com

Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!






From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 04:29:42 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:29:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About GRE Testing
Message-ID: <562c5ab7.5646810a.1f4eb.ffffbf72@mx.google.com>

Hi James,

I took the GRE last fall and am retaking it in a couple weeks 
because I only got 90% on the math portion, which is considered 
low for my field.  .  I got double time, which I understand is 
the normal accommodation they give.  Tripple time is bordering on 
the ridiculous--that would be ten and a half hours of testing not 
including breaks.  I suggest you get the computer voiced GRE with 
tactile graphics supplement so you don't have to worry about 
diagrams being explained.  Also make sure they send you the 
computer tutorial so you can learn how to use the software and 
built in screen reader ahead of time.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 20:51:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About GRE Testing

Good day.
	 I was wondering if anyone has taken the GRE within the past 
year, used  the read-aloud option, and how much time were 
you able to get accommodated? Double time? Triple time?I 
tried to get triple time because of the time lost having 
various diagrams and instructions explained. Thank you in 
advance for your feedback.
James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sun Oct 25 07:03:58 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 00:03:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Pair Programming
Message-ID: <CAF=_aveiWxvrmSChKA2RWJ07TqY0xxP9AaLJz8B1jd4yyAUPKA@mail.gmail.com>

I am legally blind. I use ZoomText or MacZoom with dual 27 inch monitors. I
will be graduating in Dec with my BS in Computer Science.

I accepted a software developer position with USAA to start in Jan. There
will be a 10-14 training program with java and agile. I found out there
will be pair programming. I think the company is going toward more agile
processes which i think means implementing pair programmin.

Has anyone found a way to do this?  I, obviously cannot see their screen. I
have tried one screen regular and one zoomed but I find it impossible to
follow if I am not the one controlling the mouse. I even get a headache.
Also, for me to see a full line of code I span both 27 inch monitors.

Is there a way for someone who is legally blind to effectively pair
program.

Thank you
Suzanne

From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 17:33:05 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 12:33:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Dictionary
Message-ID: <D6E55ABB-2A71-4D7B-B1AC-2506356D218B@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Does anyone know of a good dictionary that I can download to my iPhone?
Thanks,
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 19:40:58 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:40:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Meet Your 2015 NABS Board in Tonight's
	Membership Call
Message-ID: <54782F22-3273-402F-845C-A668C9F2C7F6@gmail.com>

Hey NABS Friends:

This is a reminder that our Membership Committee is hosting its first membership call of the 2015-2016 season tonight at 7:00 PM EST. On this call, we will introduce you to the members of your 2015 NABS Board in order for you to get to know us on a more personal level. Also, our committee chairs will be present to talk about what their committees are doing and how you can become personally involved in NABS's work. This is a call which you will not to miss! So, at 7:00 PM EST, please call (605) 475-6700. When prompted, please enter access code 7869643 followed by the pound key. We look forward to talking with you tonight!

Chris Nusbaum

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 19:49:24 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 15:49:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: Meet Your 2015 NABS Board in Tonight's
	Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <54782F22-3273-402F-845C-A668C9F2C7F6@gmail.com>
References: <54782F22-3273-402F-845C-A668C9F2C7F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70F4E86A-315F-43B9-93B9-357E73F383A0@gmail.com>

Correction: The access code is actually 7869673. I apologize for the typo.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey NABS Friends:
> 
> This is a reminder that our Membership Committee is hosting its first membership call of the 2015-2016 season tonight at 7:00 PM EST. On this call, we will introduce you to the members of your 2015 NABS Board in order for you to get to know us on a more personal level. Also, our committee chairs will be present to talk about what their committees are doing and how you can become personally involved in NABS's work. This is a call which you will not to miss! So, at 7:00 PM EST, please call (605) 475-6700. When prompted, please enter access code 7869643 followed by the pound key. We look forward to talking with you tonight!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Oct 25 23:23:19 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 16:23:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] windows 10
Message-ID: <562d6496.e288440a.11ffc.62b9@mx.google.com>

Hi, I have a toshiba laptop runaring windows 10.  Is there a way 
I can get it to automaticShut down at a fertain time? For 
example, when my mom calls me down and I dont have time to shut 
it down.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 00:09:44 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 20:09:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Join Michigan Students for a Weekend of Federation Fun and
	Friendship
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS427EF5724B1742D8ACE3762BA230@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

 

Are you a blind high school student, college student, or young adult
wondering how to be a successful blind student? Are you a blind high school
student, college student, or young adult looking to connect with other blind
people just like you? If you answered yes to either one of these questions,
the Michigan Association of Blind Students invites you to join us for an
exciting weekend of fun, food, and friendship.

 

The festivities will take place as part of the state convention of the
National Federation of the Blind of Michigan at the Causeway Bay Hotel &
Conference Center located at 6820 S Cedar St., Lansing, MI 48911 from
Friday, November 6, 2015 through Sunday, November 8, 2015. We encourage
everyone to register and attend the entire convention. However, any blind
student or young adult is welcome to join us for any of our events.

 

We start the weekend on Friday evening by gathering at 6:00 pm in the hotel
lobby before heading off to the hotel restaurant for dinner. If you find
yourself running a bit behind, and miss us in the lobby, please feel free to
meet up with us at the hotel restaurant when you get to the hotel. 

 

The Friday night festivities continue as we all get to know each other
better through fun interactive icebreaker games from 8:00 pm to 9:00 pm.
However, the fun does not have to stop here just because our agenda stops
here, so please feel free to hang out for as late as you want.

 

So now that we have had our fun on Friday night, it is time to get down to
business with our annual student seminar on Saturday from 12:15 pm to 1:45
pm. Lunch will be included as part of the seminar for $10 per person, and
annual dues to join the student division are $5.

 

The seminar will feature an address from our national Representative, Kevan
Worley and an update from the First Vice-President of the National
Association of Blind Students, Candice Chapman. We will also be holding
elections at the end of the meeting. If you wish to seek a position during
the elections, or vote during the elections, you must pay the $5 membership
dues.

 

And if you have not had enough fun for the weekend, how about walking away
with a $100 Apple gift card, a $50 Amazon gift card, and an item from the A
T guys? Yes, this is correct. You will have a chance of winning each of
these three fabulous prizes with the purchase of a raffle ticket. We will be
selling raffle tickets for $5 per ticket or $20 for five tickets. We will be
drawing the winners of the raffle prizes during the convention banquet on
Saturday night. Winners must be present to claim their prize.

 

We would like to get a head count for both the restaurant dinner on Friday
night as well as the business lunch on Saturday afternoon. Please fill out
this short survey
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1093R7mrTAaaOZhXeltcE76zuwmjLJynviX30bq-0yn
s/viewform?usp=send_form>  to help us with our head count. For any
additional questions, please contact Jordyn Castor at studetns at nfbmi.org
<mailto:studetns at nfbmi.org> .  We look forward to seeing you as we share a
weekend full of fun, food, and friendship with you.

 

Warm regards,

Elizabeth Mohnke

Convention Spokesperson,

Michigan Association of Blind Students


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 01:19:23 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 21:19:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inserting Links for Emails to the Email List
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS275AABF66E91A96D90FB16FBA230@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I am wondering if anyone knows if there is a trick for inserting hyperlinks
as text in an email that is sent to the email list. I sent out an email
earlier attempting to do this, but for some reason it does not come through
the same way as it did with test emails. If anyone knows what I might be
doing wrong, and could let me know how this could be done properly, I would
greatly appreciate hearing from you. Oh, and if it makes any difference, I
am using a Hotmail email account with Outlook 2013 if that makes any
difference to anyone.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From bjduarte at asu.edu  Mon Oct 26 02:10:33 2015
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2015 19:10:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbcs] Pair Programming
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_aveiWxvrmSChKA2RWJ07TqY0xxP9AaLJz8B1jd4yyAUPKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF=_aveiWxvrmSChKA2RWJ07TqY0xxP9AaLJz8B1jd4yyAUPKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB9FC668-6BCF-480A-99B0-7DB8B3079DE1@asu.edu>

Hello Suzanne,

congratulations again on the job offer and I know you will do awesome. 

Pair programming is doable for blind and/or low vision software people if you have the right tools in place. For example if you require a 27 inch monitor to see the screen of another engineers computer you should have every right to ask for your company to accommodate you in that way. If this too will not allow you to adequately interact with the software independently you will need to ask for an additional monitor, and possible another machine where you will be able to screen share with your partner so you can zoom in with the software you require with the screen size you require. 

Also just because the company is moving towards an Agile development process does not mean they are also going towards a pair programming development process. Pair programming is good for code reviews and maybe even for developing complex systems but that does not line up with Agile as a development process. Agile is all about working in teams but taking your team and pairing them up actually would slow down your production because it cuts your code development in half. I did remember hearing that USAA was moving toward a pair programming process to try to push out more reliable software. They are hoping that having two developers producing code will help to catch faulty code faster. I myself love Agile programming but do not particularly care for pair programming due to its slow and some times confrontational development process. As I said before though it does come in handy for code reviews and complex systems to have two minds working together to solve a problem. I hope this some what helps you but if it does not feel free to seek further guidance. 

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
Software Engineering Graduate student
ASU Fulton Engineering College
QwikEyes CEO

> On Oct 25, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Suzanne Germano via nfbcs <nfbcs at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am legally blind. I use ZoomText or MacZoom with dual 27 inch monitors. I
> will be graduating in Dec with my BS in Computer Science.
> 
> I accepted a software developer position with USAA to start in Jan. There
> will be a 10-14 training program with java and agile. I found out there
> will be pair programming. I think the company is going toward more agile
> processes which i think means implementing pair programmin.
> 
> Has anyone found a way to do this?  I, obviously cannot see their screen. I
> have tried one screen regular and one zoomed but I find it impossible to
> follow if I am not the one controlling the mouse. I even get a headache.
> Also, for me to see a full line of code I span both 27 inch monitors.
> 
> Is there a way for someone who is legally blind to effectively pair
> program.
> 
> Thank you
> Suzanne
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 26 18:25:05 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:25:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Join Michigan Students for a Weekend of Federation Fun and
	Friendship
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS791A5765B35E58F75CDF82BA230@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

 

Are you a blind high school student, college student, or young adult
wondering how to be a successful blind student? Are you a blind high school
student, college student, or young adult looking to connect with other blind
people just like you? If you answered yes to either one of these questions,
the Michigan Association of Blind Students invites you to join us for an
exciting weekend of fun, food, and friendship.

 

The festivities will take place as part of the state convention of the
National Federation of the Blind of Michigan at the Causeway Bay Hotel &
Conference Center located at 6820 S Cedar St., Lansing, MI 48911 from
Friday, November 6, 2015 through Sunday, November 8, 2015. We encourage
everyone to register and attend the entire convention. However, any blind
student or young adult is welcomed to join us for any of our events.

 

We start the weekend on Friday evening by gathering at 6:00 pm in the hotel
lobby before heading off to the hotel restaurant for dinner. If you find
yourself running a bit behind, and miss us in the lobby, please feel free to
meet up with us at the hotel restaurant when you get to the hotel. 

 

The Friday night festivities continue as we all get to know each other
better through fun interactive icebreaker games from 8:00 pm to 9:00 pm.
However, the fun does not have to stop here just because our agenda stops
here, so please feel free to hang out for as late as you want.

 

So now that we have had our fun on Friday night, it is time to get down to
business with our annual student seminar on Saturday from 12:15 pm to 1:45
pm. Lunch will be included as part of the seminar for $10 per person, and
annual dues to join the student division are $5.

 

The seminar will feature an address from our national Representative, Kevan
Worley and an update from the First Vice-President of the National
Association of Blind Students, Candice Chapman. We will also be holding
elections at the end of the meeting. If you wish to seek a position during
the elections, or vote during the elections, you must pay the $5 membership
dues.

 

And if you have not had enough fun for the weekend, how about walking away
with a $100 Apple gift card, a $50 Amazon gift card, and an item from the A
T guys? Yes, this is correct. You will have a chance of winning each of
these three fabulous prizes with the purchase of a raffle ticket. We will be
selling raffle tickets for $5 per ticket or $20 for five tickets. We will be
drawing the winners of the raffle prizes during the convention banquet on
Saturday night. Winners must be present to claim their prize.

 

We would like to get a head count for both the restaurant dinner on Friday
night as well as the business lunch on Saturday afternoon. Please fill out a
short survey at https://goo.gl/r4iG5A  to help us with our head count.
Hopefully this link comes through okay. For additional questions, please
contact Jordyn Castor at students at nfbmi.org. We look forward to seeing you
as we share a weekend full of fun, food, and friendship with you.

 

Warm regards,

Elizabeth Mohnke

Convention Spokesperson,

Michigan Association of Blind Students


From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Oct 27 00:25:39 2015
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:25:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Disability Rights Law Career Series
In-Reply-To: <0719D94E7B014637BF30FB54650323B7@Helga>
References: <031101d0e111$f1bf8ae0$d53ea0a0$@gmail.com>
	<0719D94E7B014637BF30FB54650323B7@Helga>
Message-ID: <000501d1104e$08765000$1962f000$@mediacombb.net>

Are there any other in this series?  I'd be interested in participating if
there are.  Thanks.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2015 12:12 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] FW: Disability Rights Law Career Series

Hi Sean! This is Helga! What's up? I'm interested in participating in this
meeting regarding dissability rights. However, I don't know if they will
consider me since I'm still in University, and I still need to complete my
bachelor. I'm actually still a Junior, since I just started attending
Florida Atlantic University ithis Fall semester in order to complete my
Bachelor degree! But my goal is to study in order to become a Lawyer and
focus in the dissability right aspect. Do you know who do I contact in
regarding attending this conference or meeting on Friday, September 4 at 3
PM? I'm just wondering! In fact, do you guys think I could be part of this
meeting even though I'm not yet in Law School? Just curious! Hope to hear
from you soon. Thanks and God bless!



Helga Schreiber


Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
Students Member of The International Networkers Team (INT) Independent
Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 11:36:46 2015
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2015 06:36:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of Coursera
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Hi All,

I hope this message finds you well. I have been using Coursera for a
while now and generally love their courses, but there are a couple of
challenges that I have been facing, so I would love to know what
strategies others have employed to confront them.
1. While courses based on theory -- those relating to law, languages
and social sciences are very accessible, it is slightly more
challenging to follow courses that are more visually oriented -- those
relating to subjects like physics, mathematics and programming. This
is principally because most instructors use PPT slides or draw
diagrams on the board to illustrate what they're saying or to explain
complex concepts. While there is a lot that you can learn simply by
listening, there comes a point in these courses when I tend to give up
because I find it hard to keep up solely on the basis of verbal
lectures. So I am wondering if there are any strategies that others
have been able to devise to confront these challenges in a meaningful
way.
2. Since the time I installed the latest version of Coursera on my
iPhone, I have been unable to access video lectures of most courses
for reasons that I cannot fathom. More specifically, when I open the
video, it either doesn't play at all or plays for barely thirty
seconds before pausing completely. However, there are other courses
whose videos I can access seamlessly. Is this an accessibility issue
or something that all iPhone Coursera users have been grappling with?
Any help would be welcome.

Best,
Rahul


From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 30 03:58:52 2015
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:58:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
Message-ID: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>

I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of me. 
I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over. 
HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen. 
Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course. 
English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week. 
ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me! 
I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you! 
Thank you! Chelsea Peahl 		 	   		  

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Oct 30 04:33:49 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 04:33:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Hello Chelsey,
Your experiences mirror a lot of what I've gone through at my
university. There are a few options you might take here. If you'd like
to get in touch with me off list, I'd be interested where you go to
school so I can do some research, but there are generally state
offices. My school hearing from the massachusetts Office of Disability
helped them get moving, although not much. I would however like to
caution you against filing anything unless you really need to. This is
your battle to choose and I think plenty will be all on board for you
filing.

Depending on your background check when you go for employment, this
filing might actually come back to bight you later. While we do have
the ADA, it doesn't prevent an employer for not hiring you over
someone "better qualified" who just happened to see the complaint.
Something like this might show future employers that you might be a
problem for them and that's something they'll avoid at all costs in
general. These issues are specifically why I've not taken more drastic
actions with regards to my college and the way I am generally treated.

I do have a few substantive ideas for you, however. First, you should
keep a log for each class as well as a log for your discussions with
ASD (I'm not sure what this is--is it your school's DS office)? If
possible, print out email exchanges and store them in a folder in
consecutive order, also reference them in your log. If not, just make
sure that you keep backups of each email exchange. If you ever need to
do so, you can print all of this out really quickly. Should you go
forward with a formal complaint, the more records you have the better
you will do.
Second, I really suggest you start working your way up the chain. If
your counselor is not accomidating, find his/her supervisor. If that
doesn't work, go up higher. Now that you are facing such issues and
your grades are at risk, I might almost suggest you start from the top
down. Don't deal with a phone-call as it gives people time to turn you
away, go straight up to the president's office, explain you are
failing due to lack of accommodations which clearly violates the ADA
and ask if you can have an appointment. This forces them to deal with
you directly; I learned this when I emailed my president and it went
to the person I deal with at the DS office; every office seems to talk
to her, whether I have a question for physical plant or something else.
Finally and perhaps the best bit of advice I can give you, although it
seems less applicable is to find staff members who will do anything
they possibly can. They're hard to find sometimes, but in each case
I've had to deal with it's the people I deal with (sometimes usually
not the professors) and not administration who are the most
understanding. It doesn't mean that they'll go to bat for you, and
this is most notable in my school where a vast majority of professors
are adjunct and at an even higher risk of losing their job, but it
does mean that they'll do what they can behind the scenes.

Good luck and feel free to get in touch if I can help at all.
Thanks,
On 10/29/2015 11:58 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l wrote:
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to
> school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive
> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too
> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself,
> but this semester may get the better of me. I'm not just dealing
> with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes,
> but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center.
> (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening Math: Everything is
> done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not
> open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos.
> He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My
> midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the
> day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several
> tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes
> isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a
> transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read
> it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a
> problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever
> the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since
> discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are
> looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a
> video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to t ry,
> then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional
> weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over. 
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to
> slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the
> midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you
> get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any
> slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost
> begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen. Music: I have an
> intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter
> was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes)
> and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that
> class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms,
> so I may never receive accommodations for the course. English: My
> english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first,
> my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board
> through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am
> ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me
> asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me
> quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and
> doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my
> class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is
> unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own.
> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach
> me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the
> stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was
> unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!)
> I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until
> f urther notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to
> receive a few sentences of notes once a week. ASD: My councilors
> was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to
> offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to
> the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since
> first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the
> slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen
> to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond
> her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she
> heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try
> and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor
> change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is
> happening. (other than a few emails sent.) Its past midterms. My
> grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm
> frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work,
> they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
> never given the information?! It has been advised to file a formal
> grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that
> things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have
> talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since
> the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a
> formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like
> I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I
> want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my
> battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next
> three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is
> definitely taking a tole on me! I need your advice on where to go
> from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week,
> and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been
> helpful to you! Thank you! Chelsea Peahl 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 30 04:45:49 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:45:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C6E8EEC404464741B079EDFA3F9F3D73@OwnerPC>

Hi Chelsea,

I'm sorry to hear this. I have been through classes where I speak to 
professors and email them for accomodations such as copies of slides and do 
not receive them. I felt ignored. But I never dealt with several bad 
professors in one semester. I'll take each subject by itself.
Overall, I think you are doing well by attempting to communicate with 
professors; I'd file a complaint if I were you and speak to professor's 
supervisors. Usually the assistant dean or head of the department is their 
supervisor.

For math, I have low vision too and did math visually with dark pens and 
large print, yet I did not see the board and had to teach myself a lot.
They spoke what they wrote, but I could not learn auditorily. I think its 
very unfair for any professor not to have office hours or respond to student 
emails. That is their duty and I do not understand how the prof can get away 
without providing office hours. Is he part time? If not, all full time 
professors are required and even paid to have office hours.
This is definitely reportable.
As for notes to study from, I had that challenge too.
Have you tried asking a classmate? Does the prof follow the textbook? Could 
you look at the text magnified and see how problems are worked out?
Also, many schools have a tutoring service for free or minimal fee. You 
might benefit from finding out about tutoring options and using their 
service.

Your history class: I agree you need to access the slides. I would put that 
request in writing in emails and copy your
disability counselor. This is a basic accomodation. Again, I'd report that 
to the head of the prof's department.
Has he given any reasons for failing to give you slides?
Meanwhile, remember that slides just are written supplements to lectures. If 
the prof lectures half decently, he should speak all important
notes on slides. You could take notes based on what you hear. Even when I 
get slides, I often find they do not help much, and meerly are an outline of 
the lecture.
Remember that most professors at the lower levels of classes follow the 
text. So read your text well, and that should reinforce what is said and 
presented in class.
You sound like you have fairly good vision. Have you tried sitting in the 
front row to see slides?
When I sit near the front, I can read some of the slides; usually the titles 
of slides at least as that is bigger font.

If professors are this bad, you might have to withdraw because its better to 
have a W in some classes than Fs. Sad but true and I've learned that some 
people you cannot work with. Its their way, or the high way.

English:
You need access to the slides and what they write on the board. Your 
professor has a legal obligation to give you access. They need to speak what 
they write. I usually cannot see the board either, even if I sit up front. I 
get access to the board by asking them to verbalize what they write.
All slides and handouts the professor generates needs to be given to you in 
accessible format either large print or electronically.
Why doesn't these professors post slides on blackboard? In many college 
classes, professors posted class material such as slides on blackboard for 
all to see. Its too bad they do not do this because if they did, you'd 
download and read them like everyone else.

All I can think of is to have a meeting with both professors for history and 
english.
Reiterate your accomodations. Take note of what you go over and what they 
say. If they refuse to help, go above them and report it. Oh, follow up with 
emails after the meeting.
Then file complaints.

You could probably do okay in classes without slides. Slides are usually 
outlines of the messages and visual supplements to lectures.
But any other material you need access to. And, why can't you take quizzes 
in another location with extended time. Most colleges have a testing center 
and students with disabilities go there for exams. Unless they are pop 
quizzes, you should be able to take them in the designated location for 
students
with disabilities.
You should not have to take quizzes in the hall where there can be many 
distractions from passers-by!

Finally, if any professor asks you or intimidates you to drop their class, 
that is not only unethical, but illegal.
Professors cannot choose who is in their class.
Definitely keep copies of these emails and report them to the dean. If you 
do not want to cause more issues and fear retaliation, then
you can still report thisafter the semester ends.
Its one thing not to accommodate you, but to constantly ask you to drop the 
class crosses a line getting into harrassment and intimidation.


Good luck.
Ashley-----Original Message----- 
From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: chelsea peahl
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!

I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school 
after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in 
Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I 
could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of 
me.
I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or 
two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. 
(ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, 
and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so 
have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does 
not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not 
emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and 
that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, 
but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since 
tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to 
read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a 
problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person 
is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this 
service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to 
fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have 
access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will 
take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will 
be over.
HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is 
a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the 
semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the 
day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. 
I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for 
online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within 
that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so 
I may never receive accommodations for the course.
English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At 
first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes 
(I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through 
powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given 
access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to 
drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my 
blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that 
the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is 
unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which 
sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't 
that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I 
talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not 
return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we 
have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm 
lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes 
was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the 
board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and 
declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never 
tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I 
finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has 
gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) 
When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try 
and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try 
and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few 
emails sent.)
Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not 
my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the 
work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never 
given the information?!
It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I 
still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all 
semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues 
since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I 
have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a 
week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and 
may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem 
client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I 
know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for 
the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my 
education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely 
taking a tole on me!
I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow 
and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what 
may have been helpful to you!
Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 30 04:58:39 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:58:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Chelsea,

Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.

Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most schools is 
12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent grades, 
then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors. Also, to 
access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to you or have 
your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot of notes on 
board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of course. Usually 
the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have white 
on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk up to it 
after class, you can copy down what is there.

Good luck.



-----Original Message----- 
From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: chelsea peahl
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!

I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school 
after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in 
Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I 
could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of 
me.
I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or 
two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. 
(ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, 
and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so 
have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does 
not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not 
emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and 
that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, 
but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since 
tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to 
read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a 
problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person 
is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this 
service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to 
fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have 
access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will 
take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will 
be over.
HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is 
a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the 
semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the 
day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. 
I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for 
online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within 
that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so 
I may never receive accommodations for the course.
English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At 
first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes 
(I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through 
powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given 
access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to 
drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my 
blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that 
the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is 
unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which 
sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't 
that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I 
talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not 
return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we 
have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm 
lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes 
was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the 
board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and 
declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never 
tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I 
finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has 
gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) 
When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try 
and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try 
and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few 
emails sent.)
Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not 
my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the 
work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never 
given the information?!
It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I 
still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all 
semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues 
since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I 
have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a 
week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and 
may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem 
client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I 
know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for 
the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my 
education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely 
taking a tole on me!
I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow 
and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what 
may have been helpful to you!
Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 30 05:08:20 2015
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2015 23:08:20 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in meetings. Even within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell that there is writing at times!) 
Everything is documented. All of the issues I have stated is directly from my accommodations letter. My math professor is part time, and like I said--anti-technology. My history professor--well, there is no way to follow in his class. He rambles on about many different things at a time. I'm taking 15 credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my schools equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the little notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate that somehow I got all bad professors! (All recommended by my former ASD councilor!) 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Chelsea,
> 
> Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
> If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
> 
> Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most schools is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
> If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent grades, then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors. Also, to access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to you or have your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot of notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of course. Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
> Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have white on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk up to it after class, you can copy down what is there.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: chelsea peahl
> Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 30 05:48:54 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 01:48:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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well, seems like you need another history professor if you cannot follow his 
lectures. Glad all is documented.

-----Original Message----- 
From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 1:08 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: chelsea peahl
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!

I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in meetings. Even 
within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell that there is writing at 
times!)
Everything is documented. All of the issues I have stated is directly from 
my accommodations letter. My math professor is part time, and like I 
said--anti-technology. My history professor--well, there is no way to follow 
in his class. He rambles on about many different things at a time. I'm 
taking 15 credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my schools 
equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the little 
notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate that somehow I 
got all bad professors! (All recommended by my former ASD councilor!)

Chelsea Peahl

> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Chelsea,
>
> Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
> If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
>
> Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most schools 
> is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
> If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent 
> grades, then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors. 
> Also, to access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to 
> you or have your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a 
> lot of notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of 
> course. Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
> Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have white 
> on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk up to 
> it after class, you can copy down what is there.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: chelsea peahl
> Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
>
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school 
> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in 
> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I 
> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of 
> me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or 
> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility 
> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, 
> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and 
> so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He 
> does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was 
> not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, 
> and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a 
> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. 
> We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the 
> font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am 
> unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to 
> wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since 
> discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking 
> for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video 
> magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will 
> have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the 
> time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides 
> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for 
> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information 
> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks 
> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to 
> happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for 
> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within 
> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, 
> so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At 
> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily 
> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board 
> through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever 
> given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was 
> going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, 
> calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any 
> extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see 
> the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything 
> out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she 
> should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying 
> the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was 
> unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have 
> since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. 
> (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) 
> I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes 
> once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my 
> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to 
> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 
> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first 
> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After 
> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab 
> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I 
> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a 
> problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since 
> gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, 
> nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its 
> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not 
> doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when 
> you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but 
> I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all 
> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these 
> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a 
> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple 
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal 
> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming 
> the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want 
> access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down 
> now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not 
> willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like 
> everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow 
> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and 
> what may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Oct 30 06:30:51 2015
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 06:30:51 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Ashley,
Not everything boils down to just getting another professor. This
bothers me particularly because after I have a nice schedule that fits
what I want and things go bad people's first response is "just get
another professor." this really isn't the solution. The response
should be to advocate and attempt to solve the issue when you can; not
to mention professors have entirely different schedules for the class
sometimes. You could leave a class 2 weeks in to end up in a class
totally different.

On 10/30/2015 1:48 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> well, seems like you need another history professor if you cannot
> follow his lectures. Glad all is documented.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l Sent:
> Friday, October 30, 2015 1:08 AM To: National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list Cc: chelsea peahl Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO
> MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in
> meetings. Even within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell
> that there is writing at times!) Everything is documented. All of
> the issues I have stated is directly from my accommodations letter.
> My math professor is part time, and like I said--anti-technology.
> My history professor--well, there is no way to follow in his class.
> He rambles on about many different things at a time. I'm taking 15
> credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my schools
> equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the
> little notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate
> that somehow I got all bad professors! (All recommended by my 
> former ASD councilor!)
> 
> Chelsea Peahl
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Chelsea,
>> 
>> Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor. If you
>> file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at
>> most schools is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from
>> some classes. If you are set on working within the class and
>> trying to keep decent grades, then I suggest getting notes from
>> classmates and getting tutors. Also, to access writing on the
>> board, you could ask students to read to you or have your
>> notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot of
>> notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it
>> of course. Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me
>> though. Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast
>> as you have white on black writing. If they keep all notes up all
>> class, if you walk up to it after class, you can copy down what
>> is there.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l Sent:
>> Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc:
>> chelsea peahl Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES!
>> Advice needed!
>> 
>> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning
>> to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive
>> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too
>> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself,
>> but this semester may get the better of me. I'm not just dealing
>> with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes,
>> but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center.
>> (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening Math: Everything
>> is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is
>> not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and
>> so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube
>> videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to 
>> emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made
>> accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has
>> happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but
>> having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We
>> have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make
>> the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the
>> screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the
>> program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable
>> to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it
>> wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill
>> this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't
>> have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to 
>> purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the
>> time it arrives, the semester will be over. HIstory: I have a
>> notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke.
>> I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the
>> semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the
>> information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides
>> since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging
>> for the slides, but it has yet to happen. Music: I have an intro
>> to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was
>> never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes)
>> and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that
>> class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after
>> midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course. 
>> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the
>> beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the
>> hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why)
>> Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other
>> sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is
>> the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to
>> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class,
>> calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access
>> to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am
>> unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am
>> left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im
>> paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
>> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
>> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I
>> should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have
>> since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until
>> further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
>> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to
>> receive a few sentences of notes once a week. ASD: My councilors
>> was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to
>> offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to
>> the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
>> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues 
>> since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in
>> the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to
>> listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above
>> and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.)
>> When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been
>> working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through
>> a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet,
>> nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.) Its past
>> midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
>> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness
>> or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can
>> you study when you are never given the information?! It has been
>> advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I
>> still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have 
>> fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily.
>> I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with
>> the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor,
>> and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and
>> ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to
>> file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem
>> client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my
>> classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now,
>> I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not
>> willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access
>> just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me! 
>> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more
>> meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get
>> them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you! 
>> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl 
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 06:33:03 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 01:33:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bjkUvp96QmTabVp08uU590aR400SpC8iqS0SPOQTddHmg@mail.gmail.com>

Wow!
If they don't make those things accessible, that's going to be a major
problem for the school.

On 10/29/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
> me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center.
> (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since
> tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to
> read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a
> problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person
> is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this
> service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to
> fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have
> access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will
> take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will
> be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is
> a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the
> semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the
> day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago.
> I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
>
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes
> (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to
> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my
> blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that
> the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is
> unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which
> sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject)
> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't
> that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I
> talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not
> return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we
> have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm
> lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes
> was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the
> board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and
> declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never
> tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I
> finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has
> gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.)
> When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try
> and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try
> and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few
> emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not
> my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the
> work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never
> given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I
> still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues
> since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a
> week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and
> may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem
> client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I
> know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for
> the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely
> taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
> may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl 		 	   		
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Fri Oct 30 07:49:33 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:49:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAF=_aver_xW9ETd4KELxgyEX9PO5cn78QnBTQ6jKdGSKTyezMg@mail.gmail.com>

Your university and disabled student office seems horrible!

I have been at ASU for 3 years and never had a professor not give me slides
before they were used.

The way your school is I would consider filing a lawsuit. They are allowing
professors to get away with discrimination.

I am usually not one to back down but I think I would sue them and also go
to a better school

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
> me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have
> since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so
> large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to
> see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the
> person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued
> this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new
> option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we
> won't have access to one for we
>
>  eks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information
> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks
> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
> happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out
> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and
> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own.
> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that
> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go
> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised
> by ASD to not return to her class
>
>   until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a
> few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first
> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After
> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab
> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem,
> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing
> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing
> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
> never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but
> I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the
> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to
> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do
> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else!
> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
> may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Fri Oct 30 07:54:17 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 00:54:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <BAY402-EAS243093D3E138B32B8234901E42F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
	<6C9606A85A6F42E283A535DDAF25D663@OwnerPC>
	<BAY402-EAS243093D3E138B32B8234901E42F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avf_vU5Wd5mxzaWgVQZ6mEHoy4Wr2GOEWoX_cu0oRQFEMw@mail.gmail.com>

If they are hired by DRC you have the right to fire them and get better
notetakers. They work for you and should take notes the way you want them.

I am legally blind and I use a magnilink cctv connect to my laptop to see
the board. I have also used mini binoculars. I am a student now but first
went to college when there was no power points or technology it was all
students taking notes. So I used binoculars and if necessary notetakers.

I would start with asking for new notetakers and also see if any students
in your class would scan and email their notes to you

On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:08 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in meetings. Even
> within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell that there is writing at
> times!)
> Everything is documented. All of the issues I have stated is directly from
> my accommodations letter. My math professor is part time, and like I
> said--anti-technology. My history professor--well, there is no way to
> follow in his class. He rambles on about many different things at a time.
> I'm taking 15 credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my schools
> equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the little
> notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate that somehow I
> got all bad professors! (All recommended by my former ASD councilor!)
>
> Chelsea Peahl
>
> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Chelsea,
> >
> > Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
> > If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
> >
> > Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most
> schools is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
> > If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent
> grades, then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors.
> Also, to access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to you
> or have your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot of
> notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of course.
> Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
> > Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have
> white on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk up
> to it after class, you can copy down what is there.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: chelsea peahl
> > Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> >
> > I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to
> school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness
> training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I
> felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the
> better of me.
> > I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one
> or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> > Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his
> class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening,
> and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos.
> He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm
> was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the
> midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a
> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class.
> We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the
> font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am
> unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to
> wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since
> discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking
> for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier,
> but we won't have access to one for
>
>  weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> > HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information
> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks
> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
> happen.
> > Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> > English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out
> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and
> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own.
> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that
> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go
> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised
> by ASD to not return to her cla
>
>  ss until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily
> quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to
> receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> > ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first
> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After
> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab
> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem,
> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing
> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> > Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing
> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
> never given the information?!
> > It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university,
> but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought
> all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the
> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to
> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do
> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else!
> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> > I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings
> tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice,
> and what may have been helpful to you!
> > Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 19:49:01 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 14:49:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Hi Chelsie,

First of all, I'd like to commend you for reaching out to this list.
It's hard to admit that you're struggling.  You're communicating
clearly and seem to be doing all the right things in terms of keeping
records.  Keep that up.  Tyler's point about a formal complaint going
on record is a good on.  Here are some other options.

I don't know what area you are in, but have you contacted your NFB
affiliate president?  That person (or someone else on your affiliate
board) can help you to advocate, contact the national office with you,
or do whatever else may be necessary in your case.  I have seen law
suits where the NFB filed along with the person making the original
complaints.  I am no lawyer, so someone may correct me, but then the
record of the complaints would contain more than just your name.  If
you don't file a complaint, speaking with the affiliate president or
the national office might just be helpful.  They can give you better
legal advice about filing complaints and taking next steps in that
process.

As for short term solutions, can you take your own notes in class.
IMHO, I would never have another student taking my notes.  Your notes
are a way to help you remember.  You write them in your style, and
even the act of taking notes puts the information in the memorybanks
another way.  You can also contact the appropriate departments, asking
for tutors, a professor who has office hours you can attend, or a TA
you could work with.  You can also use this as a way to let the
department chair know what's going on.  "Mr. math professor doesn't
have office hours and can't meet with me outside of class, so I'm
wondering if I could find a professor who can."

Contact the tutoring center to see if they have math tutoring.  Is
your history textbook helpful?  You can always use the textbook to
study if the tests are based on the chapters.  And I just can't
even... your english professor...  Make sure you keep those exciting
emails on file.  I would get some advice maybe before doing this, but
finding her boss and sending him/her those rude emails and evidence of
discriminatory action would be the thing to do.

I hope this helps.  I understand the feeling that your university is
against you, and I hope things do change.

On 10/30/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If they are hired by DRC you have the right to fire them and get better
> notetakers. They work for you and should take notes the way you want them.
>
> I am legally blind and I use a magnilink cctv connect to my laptop to see
> the board. I have also used mini binoculars. I am a student now but first
> went to college when there was no power points or technology it was all
> students taking notes. So I used binoculars and if necessary notetakers.
>
> I would start with asking for new notetakers and also see if any students
> in your class would scan and email their notes to you
>
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:08 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in meetings. Even
>> within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell that there is writing
>> at
>> times!)
>> Everything is documented. All of the issues I have stated is directly
>> from
>> my accommodations letter. My math professor is part time, and like I
>> said--anti-technology. My history professor--well, there is no way to
>> follow in his class. He rambles on about many different things at a time.
>> I'm taking 15 credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my
>> schools
>> equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the little
>> notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate that somehow
>> I
>> got all bad professors! (All recommended by my former ASD councilor!)
>>
>> Chelsea Peahl
>>
>> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Chelsea,
>> >
>> > Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
>> > If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most
>> schools is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
>> > If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent
>> grades, then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors.
>> Also, to access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to
>> you
>> or have your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot
>> of
>> notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of
>> course.
>> Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
>> > Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have
>> white on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk
>> up
>> to it after class, you can copy down what is there.
>> >
>> > Good luck.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
>> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
>> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > Cc: chelsea peahl
>> > Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
>> >
>> > I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to
>> school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness
>> training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I
>> felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get
>> the
>> better of me.
>> > I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one
>> or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
>> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
>> > Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his
>> class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything
>> happening,
>> and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos.
>> He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm
>> was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the
>> midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have
>> a
>> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class.
>> We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the
>> font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am
>> unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to
>> wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since
>> discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are
>> looking
>> for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video
>> magnifier,
>> but we won't have access to one for
>>
>>  weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
>> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
>> > HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to
>> > slides
>> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
>> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information
>> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2
>> weeks
>> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
>> happen.
>> > Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
>> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
>> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests
>> within
>> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms,
>> so
>> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
>> > English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning.
>> > At
>> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
>> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board
>> through
>> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
>> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
>> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls
>> out
>> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
>> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and
>> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my
>> own.
>> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me
>> that
>> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
>> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should
>> go
>> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised
>> by ASD to not return to her cla
>>
>>  ss until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily
>> quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to
>> receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
>> > ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
>> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
>> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
>> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first
>> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest.
>> After
>> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing
>> Lab
>> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
>> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a
>> problem,
>> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
>> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet,
>> nothing
>> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
>> > Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
>> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not
>> doing
>> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you
>> are
>> never given the information?!
>> > It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university,
>> but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have
>> fought
>> all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
>> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
>> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
>> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
>> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming
>> the
>> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access
>> to
>> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
>> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to
>> do
>> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else!
>> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
>> > I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings
>> tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my
>> voice,
>> and what may have been helpful to you!
>> > Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> >
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>> >
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>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Oct 30 22:27:20 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 17:27:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Hello Chelsea,

A few things.
First, I totally get having a professor who is anti-technology, and doesn't
respond to e-mails. Actually, when you were describing your math
professor,  I had to laugh a bit, because it sounded exactly like a
professor I had last semester, including not having office hours. (My
professor taught biology, not math but still... the resemblance was
striking!) There's not much you can do with those people, especially if
your ASD isn't being helpful. Tutoring may be a good option in this case.
As for your history teacher, you absolutely should have access to the
slides! If it continues to be a problem, I would keep pestering them. If
you send them an e-mail at least once a week reminding them that you need
the slides to study very do well, something should come of it, assuming
that this professor isn't as bad as the math professor when it comes to
answering e-mails.
As for your English teacher... What she is doing is illegal! It may be
difficult to do too much if she has tenure, but deffinitely keep those
e-mails! She is not allowed to ask you to drop! That is lazy on her part.
It's like saying "You're a challenge for me. So please drop my class." It's
not okay!

It may be getting to the point where you want to file a complaint with your
university, though Tyler does make a good point. Talking to NFB is also a
good idea. They can tell you if filing a lawsuit is the right thing at this
stage. I would also switch counsilors! Clearly, this councilor reccommended
the wrong professors! Deffinitely avoid that English teacher if you can!

I hope everything works out for you!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Chelsie,
>
> First of all, I'd like to commend you for reaching out to this list.
> It's hard to admit that you're struggling.  You're communicating
> clearly and seem to be doing all the right things in terms of keeping
> records.  Keep that up.  Tyler's point about a formal complaint going
> on record is a good on.  Here are some other options.
>
> I don't know what area you are in, but have you contacted your NFB
> affiliate president?  That person (or someone else on your affiliate
> board) can help you to advocate, contact the national office with you,
> or do whatever else may be necessary in your case.  I have seen law
> suits where the NFB filed along with the person making the original
> complaints.  I am no lawyer, so someone may correct me, but then the
> record of the complaints would contain more than just your name.  If
> you don't file a complaint, speaking with the affiliate president or
> the national office might just be helpful.  They can give you better
> legal advice about filing complaints and taking next steps in that
> process.
>
> As for short term solutions, can you take your own notes in class.
> IMHO, I would never have another student taking my notes.  Your notes
> are a way to help you remember.  You write them in your style, and
> even the act of taking notes puts the information in the memorybanks
> another way.  You can also contact the appropriate departments, asking
> for tutors, a professor who has office hours you can attend, or a TA
> you could work with.  You can also use this as a way to let the
> department chair know what's going on.  "Mr. math professor doesn't
> have office hours and can't meet with me outside of class, so I'm
> wondering if I could find a professor who can."
>
> Contact the tutoring center to see if they have math tutoring.  Is
> your history textbook helpful?  You can always use the textbook to
> study if the tests are based on the chapters.  And I just can't
> even... your english professor...  Make sure you keep those exciting
> emails on file.  I would get some advice maybe before doing this, but
> finding her boss and sending him/her those rude emails and evidence of
> discriminatory action would be the thing to do.
>
> I hope this helps.  I understand the feeling that your university is
> against you, and I hope things do change.
>
> On 10/30/15, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > If they are hired by DRC you have the right to fire them and get better
> > notetakers. They work for you and should take notes the way you want
> them.
> >
> > I am legally blind and I use a magnilink cctv connect to my laptop to see
> > the board. I have also used mini binoculars. I am a student now but first
> > went to college when there was no power points or technology it was all
> > students taking notes. So I used binoculars and if necessary notetakers.
> >
> > I would start with asking for new notetakers and also see if any students
> > in your class would scan and email their notes to you
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:08 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> I've gotten to the point where I record everything said in meetings.
> Even
> >> within front row, I can't see. (I'm lucky to tell that there is writing
> >> at
> >> times!)
> >> Everything is documented. All of the issues I have stated is directly
> >> from
> >> my accommodations letter. My math professor is part time, and like I
> >> said--anti-technology. My history professor--well, there is no way to
> >> follow in his class. He rambles on about many different things at a
> time.
> >> I'm taking 15 credits this semester. I have notetakers that ASD (my
> >> schools
> >> equivalent to DRC) pays for, but like I said, I'm lucky to get the
> little
> >> notes I do. There is no way to explain this semester, I hate that
> somehow
> >> I
> >> got all bad professors! (All recommended by my former ASD councilor!)
> >>
> >> Chelsea Peahl
> >>
> >> > On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:59 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Chelsea,
> >> >
> >> > Also keep copies of emails from your disability counselor.
> >> > If you file complaints, the more writing you have, the better.
> >> >
> >> > Meanwhile, if you are taking over full time credits which at most
> >> schools is 12 credits, you probably should withdraw from some classes.
> >> > If you are set on working within the class and trying to keep decent
> >> grades, then I suggest getting notes from classmates and getting tutors.
> >> Also, to access writing on the board, you could ask students to read to
> >> you
> >> or have your notetaker read it to you. In classes where there was a lot
> >> of
> >> notes on board, I'd ask someone to read them to me whispering it of
> >> course.
> >> Usually the professor spoke what they wrote for me though.
> >> > Are these white boards? White boards offer more contrast as you have
> >> white on black writing. If they keep all notes up all class, if you walk
> >> up
> >> to it after class, you can copy down what is there.
> >> >
> >> > Good luck.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message----- From: chelsea peahl via nabs-l
> >> > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:58 PM
> >> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> > Cc: chelsea peahl
> >> > Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> >> >
> >> > I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to
> >> school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness
> >> training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but
> I
> >> felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get
> >> the
> >> better of me.
> >> > I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one
> >> or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
> >> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> >> > Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his
> >> class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything
> >> happening,
> >> and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube
> videos.
> >> He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My
> midterm
> >> was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the
> >> midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I
> have
> >> a
> >> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math
> class.
> >> We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the
> >> font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am
> >> unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to
> >> wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have
> since
> >> discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are
> >> looking
> >> for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video
> >> magnifier,
> >> but we won't have access to one for
> >>
> >>  weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
> >> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> >> > HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to
> >> > slides
> >> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
> >> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the
> information
> >> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2
> >> weeks
> >> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet
> to
> >> happen.
> >> > Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> >> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
> >> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests
> >> within
> >> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms,
> >> so
> >> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> >> > English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning.
> >> > At
> >> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
> >> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board
> >> through
> >> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
> >> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was
> going
> >> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls
> >> out
> >> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra
> credit
> >> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board,
> and
> >> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my
> >> own.
> >> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me
> >> that
> >> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
> >> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should
> >> go
> >> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been
> advised
> >> by ASD to not return to her cla
> >>
> >>  ss until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily
> >> quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky
> to
> >> receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> >> > ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
> >> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
> >> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
> >> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since
> first
> >> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest.
> >> After
> >> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing
> >> Lab
> >> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
> >> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a
> >> problem,
> >> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
> >> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet,
> >> nothing
> >> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> >> > Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and
> its
> >> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not
> >> doing
> >> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you
> >> are
> >> never given the information?!
> >> > It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university,
> >> but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have
> >> fought
> >> all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated
> these
> >> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
> >> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
> >> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
> >> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming
> >> the
> >> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access
> >> to
> >> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
> >> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to
> >> do
> >> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone
> else!
> >> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> >> > I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings
> >> tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my
> >> voice,
> >> and what may have been helpful to you!
> >> > Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
> >> > _______________________________________________
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Fri Oct 30 23:53:17 2015
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 18:53:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bjkUvp96QmTabVp08uU590aR400SpC8iqS0SPOQTddHmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
	<CAEpB4bjkUvp96QmTabVp08uU590aR400SpC8iqS0SPOQTddHmg@mail.gmail.com>
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Chelsea,

A lot has changed since I majored in math over forty years ago, so I can't
address very well what should be expected of who.  What I can tell you is
that there was no technology back then, but I am not saying that is better.
What I did, though, was to ask the professor to talk as he was writing on
the board.  I got pretty good at writing down what he said, even with a
slate and stylus, thereby only needing to fill in the details with a reader.
I did not have a note-taker, but I did hire other students in the class to
go over hand-outs and we would compare notes.  It is hard for me to
understand why a note-taker would not be able to convey the information you
need, assuming the professor won't speak as he writes.  However, that might
be something he would do if you have not suggested it.

How does he deal with helping other students without office hours?  Some
professors have assistants who sometimes do the real work.  Even if such an
assistant is not a professor, often they are very good to work with.  I had
good experiences working with several assistants.

You didn't really mention your textbook.  Usually, but not always,
professors use the board to provide extra emphasis to problems in the
textbook.  While I don't think you are getting treated all that well by your
professor, having the textbook and a note-taker should get you further along
than it sounds is the case.  I'm not justifying the professor's behavior,
just trying to provide some alternatives.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On 10/29/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
> me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
center.
> (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and
so
> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have
since
> tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to
> read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a
> problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the
person
> is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this
> service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option
to
> fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have
> access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which
will
> take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will
> be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
is
> a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the
> semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the
> day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks
ago.
> I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
happen.
>
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms,
so
> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
quizzes
> (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
to
> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out
my
> blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
that
> the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she
is
> unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which
> sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that
subject)
> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead
isn't
> that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her.
(I
> talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not
> return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we
> have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but
I'm
> lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
classes
> was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to
the
> board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision,
and
> declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never
> tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting,
I
> finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has
> gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her
enough.)
> When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to
try
> and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to
try
> and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few
> emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
not
> my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing
the
> work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
never
> given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but
I
> still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
issues
> since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a
> week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and
> may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem
> client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes!
I
> know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down
for
> the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is
definitely
> taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and
what
> may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl 		 	   		
> _______________________________________________
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 12:19:45 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to providing access for the blind other than the sometimes availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a waist of overnment services. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of me. 
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over. 
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen. 
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course. 
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week. 
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me! 
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you! 
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl                         
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 12:24:50 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:24:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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	<CAEpB4bjkUvp96QmTabVp08uU590aR400SpC8iqS0SPOQTddHmg@mail.gmail.com>
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What school is this?
ADA, it's a sham. So sorry you are going through this.


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 2:34 AM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Wow!
> If they don't make those things accessible, that's going to be a major
> problem for the school.
> 
>> On 10/29/15, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
>> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
>> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
>> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
>> me.
>> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
>> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center.
>> (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
>> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
>> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
>> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
>> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
>> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
>> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
>> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since
>> tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to
>> read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a
>> problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person
>> is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this
>> service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to
>> fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have
>> access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will
>> take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will
>> be over.
>> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is
>> a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the
>> semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the
>> day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago.
>> I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
>> 
>> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
>> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
>> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
>> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
>> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
>> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
>> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes
>> (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
>> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
>> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to
>> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my
>> blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that
>> the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is
>> unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which
>> sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject)
>> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't
>> that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I
>> talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not
>> return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we
>> have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm
>> lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
>> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes
>> was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the
>> board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and
>> declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never
>> tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I
>> finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has
>> gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.)
>> When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try
>> and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try
>> and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few
>> emails sent.)
>> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not
>> my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the
>> work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never
>> given the information?!
>> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I
>> still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
>> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues
>> since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
>> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a
>> week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and
>> may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem
>> client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I
>> know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for
>> the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
>> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely
>> taking a tole on me!
>> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
>> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
>> may have been helpful to you!
>> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl                       
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 12:29:43 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:29:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_aver_xW9ETd4KELxgyEX9PO5cn78QnBTQ6jKdGSKTyezMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
	<CAF=_aver_xW9ETd4KELxgyEX9PO5cn78QnBTQ6jKdGSKTyezMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS267F78935AF5DDB4DD54266DC2E0@phx.gbl>

We are to peaceful as a population if you know what I mean. If this school/professor(S) did anything like this singling out people publicly on race or gender stuff, all media outlets would be there, they would probably be shut down and everyone would be out-raged. I will not suggest anything b/c, I do not want it coming back since this is a public list. You may want to think outside the box if you know what I mean, :)
Have a good one, fight on, start creating posts on social media of this, using hash-tags. Also check-in to your schools/universities FB page(S) as you discuss, they will not like it, bad PR.


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Your university and disabled student office seems horrible!
> 
> I have been at ASU for 3 years and never had a professor not give me slides
> before they were used.
> 
> The way your school is I would consider filing a lawsuit. They are allowing
> professors to get away with discrimination.
> 
> I am usually not one to back down but I think I would sue them and also go
> to a better school
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
> 
>> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
>> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
>> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
>> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
>> me.
>> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
>> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
>> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
>> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
>> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
>> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
>> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
>> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
>> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
>> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have
>> since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so
>> large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to
>> see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the
>> person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued
>> this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new
>> option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we
>> won't have access to one for we
>> 
>> eks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
>> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
>> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
>> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
>> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information
>> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks
>> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
>> happen.
>> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
>> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
>> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
>> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
>> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
>> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
>> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
>> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
>> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
>> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
>> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out
>> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
>> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and
>> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own.
>> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that
>> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
>> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go
>> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised
>> by ASD to not return to her class
>> 
>>  until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
>> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a
>> few sentences of notes once a week.
>> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
>> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
>> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
>> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first
>> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After
>> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab
>> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
>> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem,
>> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
>> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing
>> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
>> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
>> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing
>> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
>> never given the information?!
>> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but
>> I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
>> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
>> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
>> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
>> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
>> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the
>> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to
>> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
>> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do
>> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else!
>> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
>> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
>> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
>> may have been helpful to you!
>> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 31 13:02:25 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:02:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS267F78935AF5DDB4DD54266DC2E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY181-W662641F66F6C28BF16DAC1E42F0@phx.gbl>
	<CAF=_aver_xW9ETd4KELxgyEX9PO5cn78QnBTQ6jKdGSKTyezMg@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT407-EAS267F78935AF5DDB4DD54266DC2E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS410703E357C158F0C74EC01DC2E0@phx.gbl>

If you created a blog, start posting about your experience(S). Then tag the blog/comment(S) on social media. Use social media as a tool to help you. Also, be shore to use other forms other than FB, such as LinkedIn, etc. Remember the world sees social media, so you can reach many. Institutionalization is not dead. It is alive and well in the US and abroad. Many are throwing-around "inclusion" but are they really practicing it properly? That is yet to be determined. They are out to get us, they want to always keep a segment of the population down. PWD's are a large population. If the US government keeps policies like ADA to keep us fragmented and divided, they have succeeded because we are following suit with the rest of the USA. Anyway, that is it, and as I said, it is not dead, institutionalization is not dead!


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 31, 2015, at 8:30 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> We are to peaceful as a population if you know what I mean. If this school/professor(S) did anything like this singling out people publicly on race or gender stuff, all media outlets would be there, they would probably be shut down and everyone would be out-raged. I will not suggest anything b/c, I do not want it coming back since this is a public list. You may want to think outside the box if you know what I mean, :)
> Have a good one, fight on, start creating posts on social media of this, using hash-tags. Also check-in to your schools/universities FB page(S) as you discuss, they will not like it, bad PR.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2015, at 3:50 AM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Your university and disabled student office seems horrible!
>> 
>> I have been at ASU for 3 years and never had a professor not give me slides
>> before they were used.
>> 
>> The way your school is I would consider filing a lawsuit. They are allowing
>> professors to get away with discrimination.
>> 
>> I am usually not one to back down but I think I would sue them and also go
>> to a better school
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
>>> after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
>>> Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
>>> could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
>>> me.
>>> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or
>>> two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility
>>> center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
>>> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
>>> and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
>>> have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
>>> not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
>>> emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
>>> that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
>>> but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have
>>> since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so
>>> large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to
>>> see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the
>>> person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued
>>> this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new
>>> option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we
>>> won't have access to one for we
>>> 
>>> eks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few
>>> additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
>>> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
>>> is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for
>>> the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information
>>> the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks
>>> ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
>>> happen.
>>> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
>>> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
>>> online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
>>> that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
>>> I may never receive accommodations for the course.
>>> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
>>> first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily
>>> quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
>>> powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
>>> access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going
>>> to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out
>>> my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit
>>> that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and
>>> she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own.
>>> (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that
>>> subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
>>> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go
>>> talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised
>>> by ASD to not return to her class
>>> 
>>> until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
>>> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a
>>> few sentences of notes once a week.
>>> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my
>>> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
>>> walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and
>>> 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first
>>> week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After
>>> weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab
>>> Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
>>> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem,
>>> she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone
>>> through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing
>>> is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
>>> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its
>>> not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing
>>> the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are
>>> never given the information?!
>>> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but
>>> I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
>>> semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these
>>> issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a
>>> week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
>>> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal
>>> grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the
>>> ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to
>>> my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm
>>> backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do
>>> that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else!
>>> This is definitely taking a tole on me!
>>> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
>>> and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
>>> may have been helpful to you!
>>> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 14:35:07 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:35:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
Message-ID: <5634d1aa.4a4e810a.96135.fffface0@mx.google.com>

DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what 
this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to 
provide all written materials in accessable formats, either 
accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they 
sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people 
break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws 
against murder "a joke."

 ----- Original Message -----
From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice 
needed!

The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to 
providing access for the blind other than the sometimes 
availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a 
waist of overnment services.


Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning 
to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive 
blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too 
confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, 
but this semester may get the better of me.
 I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues 
in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats 
happening
 Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in 
his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see 
anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this 
semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, 
and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the 
ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that 
is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a 
notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a 
math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because 
I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not 
fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish 
because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and 
I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service 
because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option 
to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we 
won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to 
purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the 
time it arrives, the semester will be over.
 HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access 
to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day 
before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a 
midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet 
to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to 
him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to 
happen.
 Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does 
it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for 
my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, 
but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for 
the course.
 English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the 
beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the 
hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) 
Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other 
sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is 
the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to 
drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, 
calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access 
to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am 
unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am 
left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im 
paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown 
overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I 
should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have 
since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until 
further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes 
that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to 
receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
 ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in 
my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to 
tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally 
blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought 
up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach 
the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I 
finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, 
Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I 
couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of 
a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I 
have since gone through a councilor change to try and get 
something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few 
emails sent.)
 Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, 
and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to 
laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because 
how can you study when you are never given the information?!
 It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the 
university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get 
better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to 
professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the 
beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I 
have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple 
meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a 
formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like 
I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I 
want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my 
battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next 
three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my 
education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is 
definitely taking a tole on me!
 I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more 
meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get 
them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
 Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sat Oct 31 14:50:33 2015
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:50:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Sometimes, though, one has to make a choice as to what their goal is in
taking a course.  I suspect that if one wanted to make a case that
blackboard presentations constitute written materials, they might win after
a long battle, but I doubt it is for certain.  For example, I doubt the ADA
would cover a teacher using a blackboard to answer a question that was asked
in class, where there was no advanced planning.  That happened often when I
was in school and I doubt that has changed.  Further, whether the school is
right or wrong, one does not have the same sort of protection in many jobs.
It is worth developing one's ability to deal with information in less than
accessible forms now rather than having to do it on the job when it could
affect one's performance.  It is always a balancing act to figure out when
one is morally correct but it might mean having to take a class again or
whether one should concentrate on learning the subject matter.  I am not
trying to say one or the other is always right, only that one has to pick
one's battles in life, and I suspect the blackboard business is not going to
be clearcut, even if it is true that the professor is being a bit of a jerk.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what 
this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to 
provide all written materials in accessable formats, either 
accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they 
sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people 
break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws 
against murder "a joke."

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice 
needed!

The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to 
providing access for the blind other than the sometimes 
availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a 
waist of overnment services.


Sent from my iPad

 On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning 
to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive 
blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too 
confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, 
but this semester may get the better of me.
 I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues 
in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats 
happening
 Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in 
his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see 
anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this 
semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, 
and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the 
ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that 
is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a 
notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a 
math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because 
I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not 
fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish 
because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and 
I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service 
because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option 
to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we 
won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to 
purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the 
time it arrives, the semester will be over.
 HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access 
to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day 
before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a 
midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet 
to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to 
him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to 
happen.
 Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my 
accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does 
it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for 
my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, 
but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for 
the course.
 English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the 
beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the 
hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) 
Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other 
sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is 
the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to 
drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, 
calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access 
to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am 
unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am 
left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im 
paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) 
Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown 
overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I 
should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have 
since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until 
further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes 
that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to 
receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
 ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in 
my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to 
tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally 
blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought 
up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach 
the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I 
finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, 
Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I 
couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of 
a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I 
have since gone through a councilor change to try and get 
something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few 
emails sent.)
 Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, 
and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to 
laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because 
how can you study when you are never given the information?!
 It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the 
university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get 
better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to 
professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the 
beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I 
have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple 
meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a 
formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like 
I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I 
want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my 
battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next 
three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my 
education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is 
definitely taking a tole on me!
 I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more 
meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get 
them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
 Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From blindstein at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 15:03:55 2015
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:03:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Yes, but public prosecutors and police enforce laws against murder. The state does not take remotely the same interest in the ADA. 



> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to provide all written materials in accessable formats, either accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws against murder "a joke."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to providing access for the blind other than the sometimes availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a waist of overnment services.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject) Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech, Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few emails sent.)
> Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 15:16:53 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 11:16:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
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Yes, from what I read, the school is in violation of the ADA, and of section
504 of the rehabilitation act. Those are both federal laws.  We just have to
do a little more advocating, and at times, bringing in the big guns to force
compliance every so often.
Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!

Yes, but public prosecutors and police enforce laws against murder. The
state does not take remotely the same interest in the ADA. 



> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:35 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what this
school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to provide all written
materials in accessable formats, either accessable lab equipment or lab
assistents, etc.  Sure they sometimes break the law like this school is
doing, but people break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make
laws against murder "a joke."
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
> 
> The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to providing
access for the blind other than the sometimes availability of braille signs
you may find in a building. What a waist of overnment services.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning to school
after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive blindness training in
Utah. I may have entered this semester too confidently, but I felt like I
could better advocate for myself, but this semester may get the better of
me.
> I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues in one 
> or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities 
> accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats happening
> Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in his class,
and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see anything happening, and so
have had to teach myself math this semester off of YouTube videos. He does
not have office hours, and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not
emailed to the ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and
that is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a notetaker,
but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a math class. We have since
tried using a transcriber, but because I have to make the font so large to
read it, most problems do not fit on the screen. I am unable to see a
problem start to finish because the program kicks me to wherever the person
is typing and I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this
service because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option to
fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we won't have
access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to purchase one which will
take a few additional weeks, and by the time it arrives, the semester will
be over.
> HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access to slides
is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day before the midterm for the
semester. How do you study for a midterm when you get the information the
day before. I have yet to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago.
I talk to him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to happen.
> Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does it for
online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for my tests within
that class. I am working my hardest to get them, but its after midterms, so
I may never receive accommodations for the course.
> English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the beginning. At
first, my professor tried sending me into the hallways for our daily quizzes
(I haven't figured out why) Everything is done on the board through
powerpoint and other sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given
access to is the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to
drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class, calls out my
blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access to any extra credit that
the rest of my class gets. Because I am unable to see the board, and she is
unwilling to help me, I am left to figure everything out on my own. (which
sucks. If Im paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject)
Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown overhead isn't
that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I should go talk to her. (I
talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have since been advised by ASD to not
return to her class until further notice. (which is stressful because we
have daily quizzes that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm
lucky to receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
> ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in my 
> classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to tell me to
walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally blind at 20/400 and 20/600
vision, and declining.) I have brought up these issues since first week, and
he never tried to approach the situation in the slightest. After weeks of
fighting, I finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech,
Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I couldn't
thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of a problem, she has
been working to try and help me solve this. I have since gone through a
councilor change to try and get something done, and yet, nothing is
happening. (other than a few emails sent.) Its past midterms. My grades are
suffering because of this all, and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My
grades aren't due to laziness or not doing the work, they are from test
scores because how can you study when you are never given the information?!
> It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the university, but
I still hold on to hope that things will get better, but I have fought all
semester. I have talked to professors almost daily. I've stated these issues
since the beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple meetings a
week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a formal grievance, (and
may have to file one.) I overall feel like I'm becoming the ASD "Problem
client" and thats the last thing I want. I just want access to my classes! I
know I should pick my battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for
the next three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is definitely
taking a tole on me!
> I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more meetings tomorrow
and throughout next week, and I need to get them to hear my voice, and what
may have been helpful to you!
> Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Oct 31 16:59:39 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 09:59:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
In-Reply-To: <SNT406-EAS67776DCA979D737DDA8DBABC2E0@phx.gbl>
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	<SNT406-EAS67776DCA979D737DDA8DBABC2E0@phx.gbl>
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The black board has a solution for the most part either a paid notetaker or
a classmate notetaker.

It sounds like the original poster goes to a school where discrimination
runs rampant. The teachers are not willing to help at all. For example
verbalizing what they are writing.

I can use a cctv to "see" the board so I can take all my own notes but
there is another blind student in my Stats class and I am his notetaker. I
scan them and email after class.

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Sometimes, though, one has to make a choice as to what their goal is in
> taking a course.  I suspect that if one wanted to make a case that
> blackboard presentations constitute written materials, they might win after
> a long battle, but I doubt it is for certain.  For example, I doubt the ADA
> would cover a teacher using a blackboard to answer a question that was
> asked
> in class, where there was no advanced planning.  That happened often when I
> was in school and I doubt that has changed.  Further, whether the school is
> right or wrong, one does not have the same sort of protection in many jobs.
> It is worth developing one's ability to deal with information in less than
> accessible forms now rather than having to do it on the job when it could
> affect one's performance.  It is always a balancing act to figure out when
> one is morally correct but it might mean having to take a class again or
> whether one should concentrate on learning the subject matter.  I am not
> trying to say one or the other is always right, only that one has to pick
> one's battles in life, and I suspect the blackboard business is not going
> to
> be clearcut, even if it is true that the professor is being a bit of a
> jerk.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice needed!
>
> DO you even know what the ADA does?  For one thing, it makes what
> this school is doing illegal.  Schools are required by law to
> provide all written materials in accessable formats, either
> accessable lab equipment or lab assistents, etc.  Sure they
> sometimes break the law like this school is doing, but people
> break the law against murder too, and that doesn't make laws
> against murder "a joke."
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 08:19:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] SO MANY ACCOMMODATION ISSUES! Advice
> needed!
>
> The ADA is a joke of a piece of legislation as it relates to
> providing access for the blind other than the sometimes
> availability of braille signs you may find in a building. What a
> waist of overnment services.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>  On Oct 30, 2015, at 12:00 AM, chelsea peahl via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  I am in dier need of advice!This is my first semester returning
> to school after taking a year-long leave of absence to receive
> blindness training in Utah. I may have entered this semester too
> confidently, but I felt like I could better advocate for myself,
> but this semester may get the better of me.
>  I'm not just dealing with accessibility or accommodation issues
> in one or two classes, but all of them plus with my universities
> accessibility center. (ASD) Here is just a glimpse of whats
> happening
>  Math: Everything is done on the board. He uses no technology in
> his class, and is not open to trying anything. I cannot see
> anything happening, and so have had to teach myself math this
> semester off of YouTube videos. He does not have office hours,
> and does not respond to emails. My midterm was not emailed to the
> ATC to be made accessible until the day of the midterm, and that
> is what has happened with several tests as well. I have a
> notetaker, but having to rely on her notes isn't enough for a
> math class. We have since tried using a transcriber, but because
> I have to make the font so large to read it, most problems do not
> fit on the screen. I am unable to see a problem start to finish
> because the program kicks me to wherever the person is typing and
> I am unable to look back. We have since discontinued this service
> because it wasn't working for me. We are looking for a new option
> to fill this. (ATC is looking at trying a video magnifier, but we
> won't have access to one for weeks to try, then we will have to
> purchase one which will take a few additional weeks, and by the
> time it arrives, the semester will be over.
>  HIstory: I have a notetaker who is decent in there, but access
> to slides is a joke. I did not receive slides until the day
> before the midterm for the semester. How do you study for a
> midterm when you get the information the day before. I have yet
> to receive any slides since our midterm 2 weeks ago. I talk to
> him daily almost begging for the slides, but it has yet to
> happen.
>  Music: I have an intro to music class online. I learned that my
> accommodation letter was never sent (thats how my university does
> it for online classes) and therefore I have no accommodations for
> my tests within that class. I am working my hardest to get them,
> but its after midterms, so I may never receive accommodations for
> the course.
>  English: My english class is a joke. It has been since the
> beginning. At first, my professor tried sending me into the
> hallways for our daily quizzes (I haven't figured out why)
> Everything is done on the board through powerpoint and other
> sources daily, and the only thing I am ever given access to is
> the quiz (Printed). She has emailed me asking if I was going to
> drop her class, has refused to give me quizzes with the class,
> calls out my blindness almost daily, and doesn't give me access
> to any extra credit that the rest of my class gets. Because I am
> unable to see the board, and she is unwilling to help me, I am
> left to figure everything out on my own. (which sucks. If Im
> paying to take a class, maybe she should teach me that subject)
> Just today, she sent me another email saying the stuff shown
> overhead isn't that important...and if I thought it was unfair, I
> should go talk to her. (I talk to her DAILY to no avail!) I have
> since been advised by ASD to not return to her class until
> further notice. (which is stressful because we have daily quizzes
> that can't be made up.) I also have a notetaker, but I'm lucky to
> receive a few sentences of notes once a week.
>  ASD: My councilors was of accommodating me with the struggles in
> my classes was to offer to buy professors larger markers and to
> tell me to walk to the board if I can't see it. (I'm legally
> blind at 20/400 and 20/600 vision, and declining.) I have brought
> up these issues since first week, and he never tried to approach
> the situation in the slightest. After weeks of fighting, I
> finally got someone to listen to me. (our amazing Lab Tech,
> Jenna! She has gone above and beyond her job to help me, and I
> couldn't thank her enough.) When she heard there was this big of
> a problem, she has been working to try and help me solve this. I
> have since gone through a councilor change to try and get
> something done, and yet, nothing is happening. (other than a few
> emails sent.)
>  Its past midterms. My grades are suffering because of this all,
> and its not my fault! I'm frustrated! My grades aren't due to
> laziness or not doing the work, they are from test scores because
> how can you study when you are never given the information?!
>  It has been advised to file a formal grievance against the
> university, but I still hold on to hope that things will get
> better, but I have fought all semester. I have talked to
> professors almost daily. I've stated these issues since the
> beginning. I have fought with the ASD more than once a week. I
> have had to get a new councilor, and have sat through multiple
> meetings a week with the ASD and ATC. I have had to threaten a
> formal grievance, (and may have to file one.) I overall feel like
> I'm becoming the ASD "Problem client" and thats the last thing I
> want. I just want access to my classes! I know I should pick my
> battles, but if I back down now, I'm backing down for the next
> three years or longer, and I'm not willing to do that! This is my
> education, and I deserve access just like everyone else! This is
> definitely taking a tole on me!
>  I need your advice on where to go from here. I have more
> meetings tomorrow and throughout next week, and I need to get
> them to hear my voice, and what may have been helpful to you!
>  Thank you! Chelsea Peahl
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