From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 01:32:35 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 18:32:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] poinym with sticky keys
Message-ID: <56fdcfb8.0842620a.954f9.2849@mx.google.com>

Hi, I tried to update my iphone and I was going to check the 
status, but it just beeps.  I clicked the shift key 5 times to 
disable it.  Then I went to go restart it and it comes back on.  
I have windows 10, jaws 17, and none of the ease of access 
settings have been changed.  Is this a virus that turned it on or 
not?


From aachase1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 04:27:59 2016
From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 00:27:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I Retreat from No Challenge
Message-ID: <CAABjKXkoCQnvN72N+FZVYbDsVzFV8aTmJOTL25H81Mhrh59+_Q@mail.gmail.com>

I Retreat from No Challenge is the motto of the EYE Retreat, a summer camp
that teaches visually impaired youth how to prepare for college.  Since
2009, the EYE Retreat has grown from 15 students from only North Carolina
to 51 students from eight states and two countries in 2015.  So far for
2016, applicants will come from 3 countries and seven states.  Do you want
to be a mentor?  Apply to be part of our volunteer staff.  Want to learn
college prep skills?  Apply to be a student.  Many of our students return
in later years to be mentors!

The EYE Retreat includes skills such as academic preparation, public
transportation, social skills, dorm living, job shadowing, and
independence.  All learning activities are research based and taught by
those with visual impairments themselves.

Check out our website at www.eyeretreat.org for more information or to sign
up.  Contact us at 9198130393 or alan.chase at eyeretreat.org.

*Alan A. Chase, Ed.S.*
Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Apr  1 11:50:50 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:50:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I Retreat from No Challenge
In-Reply-To: <CAABjKXkoCQnvN72N+FZVYbDsVzFV8aTmJOTL25H81Mhrh59+_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAABjKXkoCQnvN72N+FZVYbDsVzFV8aTmJOTL25H81Mhrh59+_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUeuLLWZDZ6m9v9KvHMgRQNtOJb9BDg+Hs+J2nr59gJkLVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alan,

I am currently a college undergraduate. Does Eye Retreat offer
internships? If so, what would being involved in an internship entail?
Thanks.
Christina

On Fri, Apr 1, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Alan A. Chase via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I Retreat from No Challenge is the motto of the EYE Retreat, a summer camp
> that teaches visually impaired youth how to prepare for college.  Since
> 2009, the EYE Retreat has grown from 15 students from only North Carolina
> to 51 students from eight states and two countries in 2015.  So far for
> 2016, applicants will come from 3 countries and seven states.  Do you want
> to be a mentor?  Apply to be part of our volunteer staff.  Want to learn
> college prep skills?  Apply to be a student.  Many of our students return
> in later years to be mentors!
>
> The EYE Retreat includes skills such as academic preparation, public
> transportation, social skills, dorm living, job shadowing, and
> independence.  All learning activities are research based and taught by
> those with visual impairments themselves.
>
> Check out our website at www.eyeretreat.org for more information or to sign
> up.  Contact us at 9198130393 or alan.chase at eyeretreat.org.
>
> *Alan A. Chase, Ed.S.*
> Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools
> President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 22:51:53 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:51:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56fefb8f.c2ec420a.95918.ffffd907@mx.google.com>

Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an 
administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?


From munawarb at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 23:07:29 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56fefb8f.c2ec420a.95918.ffffd907@mx.google.com>
References: <56fefb8f.c2ec420a.95918.ffffd907@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <56FEFF31.5040202@gmail.com>

Hi,
Go to Control Panel and type "user". You will see an option for user 
accounts. From here, you can add a new user account. During the setup 
process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be 
"Standard User" or "Administrator."

Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already been 
created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On this 
page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.

On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an 
> administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't install 
> a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always administrqor?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 23:14:06 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 16:14:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56ff00c4.0108430a.4199c.ffff848a@mx.google.com>

Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that 
the setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only 
have one.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Hi,
Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for 
user
accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During the 
setup
process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
"Standard User" or "Administrator."

Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already 
been
created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On 
this
page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.

On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
 administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install
 a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?

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From munawarb at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 23:36:45 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56ff00c4.0108430a.4199c.ffff848a@mx.google.com>
References: <56ff00c4.0108430a.4199c.ffff848a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <56FF060D.20702@gmail.com>

Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in order to 
change user permissions.

On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that the 
> setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Hi,
> Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for user
> accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During the setup
> process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
> "Standard User" or "Administrator."
>
> Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already been
> created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On this
> page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
> administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't install
> a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always administrqor?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:02:31 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:02:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56ff0c1d.1720620a.ae541.3505@mx.google.com>

You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an 
administrator account?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in 
order to
change user permissions.

On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that 
the
 setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have 
one.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Hi,
 Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for 
user
 accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During 
the setup
 process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
 "Standard User" or "Administrator."

 Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already 
been
 created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On 
this
 page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.

 On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
 administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install
 a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:05:37 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:05:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56fefb8f.c2ec420a.95918.ffffd907@mx.google.com>
References: <56fefb8f.c2ec420a.95918.ffffd907@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS728D098B697FDCEEAC7451BA9B0@phx.gbl>

Hello petras,

I notice you post a lot of one line general questions to the NABS email
list. Have you tried looking for answers to your technology questions in
other places? I believe there are other NFBNet email lists dedicated to
technology issues. Have you tried posting any of your technology questions
on there? It seems to me like your questions may be more suited for a
technology email list, and you may be able to receive more technical support
than what you receive here on the NABS email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of petras via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: petras <zumbagecko at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an 
administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?

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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:11:16 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:11:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56ff0e2a.d810620a.b9194.3faa@mx.google.com>

Sorry, I looked online and tried the steps and I can't even go 
further of creating a username and password.  Is there a 
technology list?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:05:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Hello petras,

I notice you post a lot of one line general questions to the NABS 
email
list.  Have you tried looking for answers to your technology 
questions in
other places? I believe there are other NFBNet email lists 
dedicated to
technology issues.  Have you tried posting any of your technology 
questions
on there? It seems to me like your questions may be more suited 
for a
technology email list, and you may be able to receive more 
technical support
than what you receive here on the NABS email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
petras via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: petras <zumbagecko at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't
install a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always
administrqor?

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From munawarb at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:17:37 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:17:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56ff0c1d.1720620a.ae541.3505@mx.google.com>
References: <56ff0c1d.1720620a.ae541.3505@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <56FF0FA1.4080801@gmail.com>

Are you looking to demote your own account to standard user, or do you 
want to create a new account that's a standard user account?

On 4/1/2016 8:02 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an administrator 
> account?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in order to
> change user permissions.
>
> On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that the
> setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Hi,
> Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for user
> accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During the setup
> process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
> "Standard User" or "Administrator."
>
> Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already been
> created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On this
> page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
> administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't install
> a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always administrqor?
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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>
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:31:26 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 17:31:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56ff12e4.279c420a.8789b.ffff9909@mx.google.com>

Creating one.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:17:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Are you looking to demote your own account to standard user, or 
do you
want to create a new account that's a standard user account?

On 4/1/2016 8:02 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an 
administrator
 account?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in 
order to
 change user permissions.

 On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that 
the
 setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have 
one.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Hi,
 Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for 
user
 accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During 
the setup
 process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
 "Standard User" or "Administrator."

 Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already 
been
 created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On 
this
 page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.

 On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
 administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install
 a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?

 _______________________________________________
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 00:39:10 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:39:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56ff12e4.279c420a.8789b.ffff9909@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <56FF14AE.4080701@gmail.com>

Ok, Then all you need to do is enter the new user name and password and 
click Next. If you can get to the create user prompt then you have 
permission to create the user, which means you can set their access level.

On 4/1/2016 8:31 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Creating one.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:17:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Are you looking to demote your own account to standard user, or do you
> want to create a new account that's a standard user account?
>
> On 4/1/2016 8:02 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an administrator
> account?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in order to
> change user permissions.
>
> On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that the
> setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Hi,
> Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for user
> accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During the setup
> process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
> "Standard User" or "Administrator."
>
> Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already been
> created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On this
> page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
> administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't install
> a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always administrqor?
>
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 01:21:59 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2016 18:21:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
Message-ID: <56ff1ebd.c976420a.956e7.ffff93ea@mx.google.com>

So I followed your instructions but I'm unable to click next.  
When I hit enter, I get stuck at the password promst.  I still 
can't get the standard one activated.

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:39:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

Ok, Then all you need to do is enter the new user name and 
password and
click Next.  If you can get to the create user prompt then you 
have
permission to create the user, which means you can set their 
access level.

On 4/1/2016 8:31 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Creating one.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:17:37 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Are you looking to demote your own account to standard user, or 
do you
 want to create a new account that's a standard user account?

 On 4/1/2016 8:02 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an 
administrator
 account?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in 
order to
 change user permissions.

 On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that 
the
 setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have 
one.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account

 Hi,
 Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for 
user
 accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During 
the setup
 process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
 "Standard User" or "Administrator."

 Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already 
been
 created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On 
this
 page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.

 On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
 Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
 administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't 
install
 a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always 
administrqor?

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From munawarb at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 01:40:00 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:40:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
In-Reply-To: <56ff1ebd.c976420a.956e7.ffff93ea@mx.google.com>
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Ok, there are two password boxes; one is for original and the other is 
for confirmation. Both need to be filled out. If that doesn't work, it 
could be due to your password complexity settings. Please contact me 
off-list, since this will be a more involved process. My email address 
is munawarb at gmail.com.

On 4/1/2016 9:21 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> So I followed your instructions but I'm unable to click next.  When I 
> hit enter, I get stuck at the password promst.  I still can't get the 
> standard one activated.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:39:10 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Ok, Then all you need to do is enter the new user name and password and
> click Next.  If you can get to the create user prompt then you have
> permission to create the user, which means you can set their access 
> level.
>
> On 4/1/2016 8:31 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Creating one.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:17:37 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Are you looking to demote your own account to standard user, or do you
> want to create a new account that's a standard user account?
>
> On 4/1/2016 8:02 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> You mean it can't be changed to a standard without an administrator
> account?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:36:45 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Yes, you need to be logged in to an administrator account in order to
> change user permissions.
>
> On 4/1/2016 7:14 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Do I have to han administrator account also active? I see that the
> setting is grayed out and I can't change it, since I only have one.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:07:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] making a non-administrator account
>
> Hi,
> Go to Control Panel and type "user".  You will see an option for user
> accounts.  From here, you can add a new user account.  During the setup
> process Windows will ask you to choose if this account should be
> "Standard User" or "Administrator."
>
> Alternatively, if you want to demote an account that has already been
> created, from "User Accounts" click "Manage Another Account." On this
> page, you can demote or promote existing accounts.
>
> On 4/1/2016 6:51 PM, petras via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello, I would like to create a user account that is not an
> administrator so that way someone that has your computer can't install
> a program.  How can I get this to work ! I'm not always administrqor?
>
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From treyman19 at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 18:20:48 2016
From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 13:20:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Eye Pal
Message-ID: <2F4603C6-0A24-4CD0-8219-A7A68A0D9433@gmail.com>

Hello I have a Eye Pal Solo for sell and it is in good condition.  Please contact me from the below information 
2197897073

treyman19 at gmail.com

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  3 18:08:14 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 14:08:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: NABS List Guidelines
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS348F51A5850F692AF6381D3BA9C0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I appreciate the hard work Arielle has put into creating the NABS email list guidelines as well as moderating the NABS email list. I think she does a really good job in posting the NABS email list guidelines once a month to remind us about these guidelines. However, I hear Arielle may be under a bit of stress right now, so I thought I would help her out by giving her one less thing to worry about by posting the NABS email list guidelines for her this month. I have noticed some posts to the NABS email list, including my own, that may not necessarily be following these guidelines. Therefore, I thought it would be a good idea to post the NABS email list guidelines as a way to remind everyone the purpose of the NABS email list as well as how to post to it in a way that respects everyone who subscribes to the NABS email list. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines

NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs and announcements about blindness-related research projects are permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
D.	If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
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If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list removal.

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From k8tvv2 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 18:15:05 2016
From: k8tvv2 at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 14:15:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille transcription software for mac
Message-ID: <13AB72FC-C34D-4C3E-B531-85175C4E324F@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I am going to be graduating from high school in may, and going in to college. I have a braille embosser that i would like to use for different things in college. I am a mac user, and am not sure if there is any braille transcription software available for the mac operating system. If anyone knows of any software that i could use, I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks and warmest regards.
Jeff Crouch
President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan


From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 19:24:41 2016
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:24:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille transcription software for mac
In-Reply-To: <13AB72FC-C34D-4C3E-B531-85175C4E324F@gmail.com>
References: <13AB72FC-C34D-4C3E-B531-85175C4E324F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B61731C-663A-47CB-B69F-EBB711828347@gmail.com>

hi Jeff,
What embosser do you have? A lot of embossers do not support the mac. I will look up your embosser and try to help if I can. 
Cullen  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Crouch via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am going to be graduating from high school in may, and going in to college. I have a braille embosser that i would like to use for different things in college. I am a mac user, and am not sure if there is any braille transcription software available for the mac operating system. If anyone knows of any software that i could use, I would greatly appreciate it.
> Thanks and warmest regards.
> Jeff Crouch
> President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
> President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
> 
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From k8tvv2 at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 21:10:15 2016
From: k8tvv2 at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 17:10:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille transcription software for mac
In-Reply-To: <4B61731C-663A-47CB-B69F-EBB711828347@gmail.com>
References: <13AB72FC-C34D-4C3E-B531-85175C4E324F@gmail.com>
	<4B61731C-663A-47CB-B69F-EBB711828347@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5FB852E-FA74-430A-B11D-C657515D6096@gmail.com>

Hi,
I have the ViewPlus Tiger Max embosser.
Thanks and warmest regards.
Jeff Crouch
President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Cullen Gallagher <gallagher123123 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hi Jeff,
> What embosser do you have? A lot of embossers do not support the mac. I will look up your embosser and try to help if I can. 
> Cullen  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Jeff Crouch via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am going to be graduating from high school in may, and going in to college. I have a braille embosser that i would like to use for different things in college. I am a mac user, and am not sure if there is any braille transcription software available for the mac operating system. If anyone knows of any software that i could use, I would greatly appreciate it.
>> Thanks and warmest regards.
>> Jeff Crouch
>> President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
>> President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
>> 
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 16:41:43 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:41:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
Message-ID: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>

Hello,
Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If so, which one?
Thanks.

Amanda

From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 17:10:21 2016
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 10:10:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
In-Reply-To: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>
References: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DAC7D79-52F5-482F-9537-8EDCFDF0B3E0@gmail.com>

Hello,
I have taken Mandarin, but it was an in-person class. If you can do that, either through your university or a community class, that's what I most recommend. Mandarin pronunciation can be a challenge for many people, and some have a difficult time with the grammar and structure as well. An app really can't explain things as well or help you as completely as a professor or instructor could. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 09:41, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If so, which one?
> Thanks.
> 
> Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 17:16:18 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 13:16:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
In-Reply-To: <3DAC7D79-52F5-482F-9537-8EDCFDF0B3E0@gmail.com>
References: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>
	<3DAC7D79-52F5-482F-9537-8EDCFDF0B3E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B335CBFF-07C9-42D3-92D0-D85E1BA07EE3@gmail.com>

Thanks for the advice. Did you only do speaking?

Amanda

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have taken Mandarin, but it was an in-person class. If you can do that, either through your university or a community class, that's what I most recommend. Mandarin pronunciation can be a challenge for many people, and some have a difficult time with the grammar and structure as well. An app really can't explain things as well or help you as completely as a professor or instructor could. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 09:41, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If so, which one?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Amanda
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 19:22:36 2016
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 12:22:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
In-Reply-To: <B335CBFF-07C9-42D3-92D0-D85E1BA07EE3@gmail.com>
References: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>
	<3DAC7D79-52F5-482F-9537-8EDCFDF0B3E0@gmail.com>
	<B335CBFF-07C9-42D3-92D0-D85E1BA07EE3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <315EA59B-929F-4203-80E3-38A8719F8337@gmail.com>

Speaking and comprehension, yes. I did have to create my own really terrible and inconsistent Braille code for a performance I did...but that definitely did not count as learning Mandarin Braille. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the advice. Did you only do speaking?
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have taken Mandarin, but it was an in-person class. If you can do that, either through your university or a community class, that's what I most recommend. Mandarin pronunciation can be a challenge for many people, and some have a difficult time with the grammar and structure as well. An app really can't explain things as well or help you as completely as a professor or instructor could. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 09:41, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If so, which one?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Mon Apr  4 19:27:01 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 15:27:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Mandarin speaking.course
In-Reply-To: <315EA59B-929F-4203-80E3-38A8719F8337@gmail.com>
References: <34AB1E6C-0467-49CC-940C-58E22D32C590@gmail.com>
	<3DAC7D79-52F5-482F-9537-8EDCFDF0B3E0@gmail.com>
	<B335CBFF-07C9-42D3-92D0-D85E1BA07EE3@gmail.com>
	<315EA59B-929F-4203-80E3-38A8719F8337@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL57mpFfVaTQ_SuVTh96QtCpoT=OKJ=eGqVJGryfyETFg+muQg@mail.gmail.com>

How was that?

On 4/4/16, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Speaking and comprehension, yes. I did have to create my own really terrible
> and inconsistent Braille code for a performance I did...but that definitely
> did not count as learning Mandarin Braille.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the advice. Did you only do speaking?
>>
>> Amanda
>>
>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I have taken Mandarin, but it was an in-person class. If you can do that,
>>> either through your university or a community class, that's what I most
>>> recommend. Mandarin pronunciation can be a challenge for many people, and
>>> some have a difficult time with the grammar and structure as well. An app
>>> really can't explain things as well or help you as completely as a
>>> professor or instructor could.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 09:41, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> Has anyone taken a mandarin course either onlime or via an app? If so,
>>>> which one?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Amanda
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> nabs-l:
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From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Mon Apr  4 21:52:33 2016
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (Ashley Holben)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:52:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Access the World Scholarship - Deadline: April 15
Message-ID: <000201d18ebc$4b9a3c10$e2ceb430$@miusa.org>

Dear NABS,

 

Know some globally-minded students with disabilities? Please help us get the
word out about this funded study abroad opportunity with a fast-approaching
deadline! I've also included some copy-and-paste-friendly posts you can
share on social media if you wish.

 

Sincerely,

Ashley Holben

Mobility International USA (MIUSA)


 <http://www.miusa.org/news/2015/scholarships> "Access the World"
Scholarships Available


In partnership with MIUSA and in honor of the ADA, the study abroad
organization CIEE pledged to provide 25 "Access the World" scholarships for
U.S. college students with disabilities to study abroad. Now, only 5 out of
the 25 scholarships remain! U.S. undergraduate students with diverse
disabilities may apply for select CIEE programs in summer 2016.

Previous "Access the World" scholarship recipients studied abroad in
countries as diverse as Morocco, Jordan, and Czech Republic and have
described benefitting academically and personally. 

"To be honest, I never thought in a million years that I would be able to
leave the U.S. and experience something different. The scholarship has
allowed me to overcome my fears of traveling alone. As a visually impaired
person there are a host of challenges, some I can expect and some I could
not even fathom. Jumping in head first allowed me to really see what I am
capable of." - Antoine Craig, Access the World scholarship recipient who
studied on CIEE's program in Spain

Encourage a U.S. student with a disability to apply for the Access the World
scholarship by April 15, 2016. 

 

Link to more info about the CIEE Access the World Scholarship:
http://www.miusa.org/news/2015/scholarships 

Link to info about other scholarships for going abroad:
http://www.miusa.org/resource/tipsheet/tenscholarships 

 

 

Spread the Word on Social Media with these Sample Posts & Tweets!

 

CIEE wants students with diverse disabilities to study abroad this summer,
and are even providing full scholarships to #AccessTheWorld - will you be
one of them? Apply at https://www.ciee.org/study-abroad/miusa/ by April
15th.

 

Students w/ #disability have been underrep'd in study abroad.
#AccessTheWorld scholarship aims to change that. ow.ly/ZMuyo
<https://t.co/vZmRgxjvE7> 

 

5 out of 25 #AccessTheWorld Scholarships remain for students w/ disabilities
to #StudyAbroad! http://www.miusa.org/news/2015/scholarships 

 

 

Ms. Ashley Holben

Project Specialist

Mobility International USA

132 E. Broadway, Suite 343

Eugene, OR 97401

Tel: +1 (541) 343-1284 ext. 18

Email:  <mailto:aholben at miusa.org> aholben at miusa.org

Web:  <http://www.miusa.org/> www.miusa.org 

 

Have you interned, volunteered, or participated in a cultural exchange
abroad? Share your story  <http://www.miusa.org/content/travelerform>
http://www.miusa.org/content/travelerform. 

 

 


From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 02:12:22 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:12:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on Spanish
	textbook web site
Message-ID: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>

Hello all.
When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde." Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word, and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center, and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to fix this?

Best,
Jason

From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 02:36:10 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2016 19:36:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleSense U2 questions
Message-ID: <570324ca.430a620a.fc19d.0057@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

I'm currently borrowing a BrailleSense U2 from a local adaptive 
tech agency to see if it might be something I would want to try 
to purchase.  Unfortunately, the HIMS site won't let me download 
the instruction manual (I've tried with a PC as well as my 
BrailleNote Apex), and I have lots of basic questions about how 
to use the device.  Does anyone know of somewhere else I can 
access the manual, or alternatively, would anyone be willing to 
answer some questions from me as I try to get up and running with 
the unit?

Thanks in advance!

Lucy


From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 02:57:23 2016
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:57:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Calendars
Message-ID: <F162E66A-D397-4C78-A836-AC62E5D16F3C@gmail.com>

Hello everyone, 

A colleague of mine is looking to transition into more accessible software program use within her company. The MASS calendar system the company is currently using is largely inaccessible with JAWS for employees using the screen reader. Does anyone have recommendations for online calendar systems other than iPhone and Google calendar? Thanks in advance. 

Meaghan Roper 



From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr  5 03:09:07 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 23:09:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Calendars
In-Reply-To: <F162E66A-D397-4C78-A836-AC62E5D16F3C@gmail.com>
References: <F162E66A-D397-4C78-A836-AC62E5D16F3C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <507041CA-42D6-4382-9E82-9116CF6E9A6E@houghton.edu>




God bless.--Christina

> On Apr 4, 2016, at 22:57, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, 
> 
> A colleague of mine is looking to transition into more accessible software program use within her company. The MASS calendar system the company is currently using is largely inaccessible with JAWS for employees using the screen reader. Does anyone have recommendations for online calendar systems other than iPhone and Google calendar? Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Meaghan Roper 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 07:02:38 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 03:02:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleSense U2 questions
In-Reply-To: <570324ca.430a620a.fc19d.0057@mx.google.com>
References: <570324ca.430a620a.fc19d.0057@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <ABA305A7-CA94-4D80-AFD3-538A1F84E56C@gmail.com>

There is a help option on the Sense that will give you he manual. If you need ongoing assistance, please contact me off list. I use a Sense on a regular basis. We will arrange a time to talk. munawarb at gmail.com.



> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm currently borrowing a BrailleSense U2 from a local adaptive tech agency to see if it might be something I would want to try to purchase.  Unfortunately, the HIMS site won't let me download the instruction manual (I've tried with a PC as well as my BrailleNote Apex), and I have lots of basic questions about how to use the device.  Does anyone know of somewhere else I can access the manual, or alternatively, would anyone be willing to answer some questions from me as I try to get up and running with the unit?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Lucy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 09:06:24 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 05:06:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleSense U2 questions
In-Reply-To: <ABA305A7-CA94-4D80-AFD3-538A1F84E56C@gmail.com>
References: <570324ca.430a620a.fc19d.0057@mx.google.com>
	<ABA305A7-CA94-4D80-AFD3-538A1F84E56C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85BA5088-7764-4F5D-8D82-A179213AD642@gmail.com>

I use a BrailleSense on a regular basis too. Feel free to contact me off list if you have any questions.

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 3:02 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There is a help option on the Sense that will give you he manual. If you need ongoing assistance, please contact me off list. I use a Sense on a regular basis. We will arrange a time to talk. munawarb at gmail.com.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 4, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Lucy Sirianni via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm currently borrowing a BrailleSense U2 from a local adaptive tech agency to see if it might be something I would want to try to purchase.  Unfortunately, the HIMS site won't let me download the instruction manual (I've tried with a PC as well as my BrailleNote Apex), and I have lots of basic questions about how to use the device.  Does anyone know of somewhere else I can access the manual, or alternatively, would anyone be willing to answer some questions from me as I try to get up and running with the unit?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Lucy
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 13:21:19 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:21:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
 Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>

Hi,
What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly 
label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a 
desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly 
label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly 
you will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as 
you arrow left or right.

On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all.
> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde." Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word, and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center, and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to fix this?
>
> Best,
> Jason
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 13:52:53 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:52:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Calendars
In-Reply-To: <F162E66A-D397-4C78-A836-AC62E5D16F3C@gmail.com>
References: <F162E66A-D397-4C78-A836-AC62E5D16F3C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d18f42$7622f130$6268d390$@gmail.com>

Try the calendar in outlook.
 Justin

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Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Online Calendars

Hello everyone, 

A colleague of mine is looking to transition into more accessible software
program use within her company. The MASS calendar system the company is
currently using is largely inaccessible with JAWS for employees using the
screen reader. Does anyone have recommendations for online calendar systems
other than iPhone and Google calendar? Thanks in advance. 

Meaghan Roper 


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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 14:31:07 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 10:31:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Having Sleepovers with Sighted Friends
Message-ID: <5703cc63.547d810a.ba923.ffffde73@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

The subject of this email stemfs from an incident that happened 
to me in sixth grade.  My friend invited me to a sleepover at her 
home, but I was not allowed to attend.  My family and I were 
having a graduation party that weekend.  At school the next day I 
explained to my friend that I could not come to her sleepover and 
thanked her for inviting me.  Looking back on it now, I think my 
parents did the right thing by not allowing me to attend.  They 
didn't know my friend or her parents so they were protecting me 
from the unknown.  I'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic.


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 15:30:20 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:30:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Having Sleepovers with Sighted Friends
In-Reply-To: <5703cc63.547d810a.ba923.ffffde73@mx.google.com>
References: <5703cc63.547d810a.ba923.ffffde73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <47D4DE2C-C483-4F76-BA0A-2E8982FF6577@gmail.com>

I would have to agree 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
CEO Linson Productions

Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 10:31 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> The subject of this email stemfs from an incident that happened to me in sixth grade.  My friend invited me to a sleepover at her home, but I was not allowed to attend.  My family and I were having a graduation party that weekend.  At school the next day I explained to my friend that I could not come to her sleepover and thanked her for inviting me.  Looking back on it now, I think my parents did the right thing by not allowing me to attend.  They didn't know my friend or her parents so they were protecting me from the unknown.  I'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic.
> 
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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 16:03:13 2016
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 09:03:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having Sleepovers with Sighted Friends
In-Reply-To: <5703cc63.547d810a.ba923.ffffde73@mx.google.com>
References: <5703cc63.547d810a.ba923.ffffde73@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <74A76676-AD4A-48E0-993C-F6B02C94169F@gmail.com>

Hello,
Whether I disagree or not really depends upon the reason behind their decision. 
When I was a child, there were times that my parents did not allow me to sleep over at someone's house, either because they had never met and thus knew nothing about the other family, or because they knew it was a bad home environment and did not want me there. This is entirely reasonable. 
If, on the other hand, they were "protecting you from the unknown" simply because of blindness, then I entirely disagree that this is a good thing. This sort of overprotection may make sighted parents feel better, which is why they do it, but it is very much to our detriment. I'm not only talking about not being allowed to go to sleep overs here, I'm refering to the entire smothering umbrella of restrictions and shealtering behaviors. For example. At the age of 15-16, my curfew was no later than 8:00 PM, and I had to call and check in every hour. My brothers, by 14, could be out until 10:00 and just check in every 3-4 hours.
Or, they already had a party planned for you and didn't want you to miss it, and there was no more to it than that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 07:31, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> The subject of this email stemfs from an incident that happened to me in sixth grade.  My friend invited me to a sleepover at her home, but I was not allowed to attend.  My family and I were having a graduation party that weekend.  At school the next day I explained to my friend that I could not come to her sleepover and thanked her for inviting me.  Looking back on it now, I think my parents did the right thing by not allowing me to attend.  They didn't know my friend or her parents so they were protecting me from the unknown.  I'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic.
> 
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Tue Apr  5 16:42:18 2016
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:42:18 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?This_June_=96_LightHouse_YES_Academy_fo?=
	=?windows-1252?q?r_Youth?=
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D5EB49E@email.rrlh-sf.local>

With great excitement, The Lighthouse Youth Program is pleased to announce its first Youth Employment Series (YES) Academy.

Academy Dates: Wednesday, June 22 to Wednesday, July 6, 2016
Deadline to register is May 1
Informational conference call: Sunday, April 10, 4:00 p.m.

During this two week training academy students ages 16 to 24 will gain valuable knowledge and life experiences that will help them become more independent, confident and successful.

During the first week of this intensive program, students will stay at the brand new, state-of-the-art LightHouse headquarters in San Francisco where they will take part in a series of day-long workshops focused on acquiring knowledge about college, employment, blindness skills and self-advocacy.
LightHouse YES Academy Goes to NFB National Convention
During the second week, new skills will be put to the test when the entire academy hits the road and travels across the country to attend the National Federation of the Blind annual National Convention in Orlando, Florida, one of the largest gatherings of blind and low vision individuals and professionals in the world.
The LightHouse believes that attending consumer conventions of the blind can be an empowering tool. Since 2011 we’ve taken students and staff to a number of consumer conventions to maximize and intensify learning in a fun and adventuresome way.

Join us for an Informational Conference Call
To learn more about this innovative program, we invite you to join us for a conference call on Sunday, April 10 at 4:00 p.m.
Call-in number: 641-715-3300, passcode 168319#. You will have an opportunity to speak with and ask questions of LightHouse staff during the call.

YES Academy Week Highlights
•Learn about accommodations available to college students and those entering the workforce.
•Acquire access technology skills which can be applied to real world situations, and test how effective these technologies might be for yourself.
•Acquire and use blindness skills that will enrich your life and help you achieve your goals, be more confident and learn how to advocate for your needs.
•Learn how to smoothly transition into college from high school or from college to a career.
•Develop effective cover letters and resumes.
•Practice networking, participate in mock interviews and understand how to make a strong and positive first impression.
•Learn how to develop, enhance and utilize your network and your relationship with peers and mentors.

NFB National Convention Week Highlights
•Attend the largest gathering of low vision and blind students in the United States.
•Gain advice, wisdom and network with intelligent, charismatic and fun blind and low vision mentors and leaders.
•Share and discuss issues, ideas and perspectives of importance to the blind community with peers and mentors.
•Practice skills and techniques learned during our monthly YES Youth Employment Series and other trainings in a blind-friendly environment with thousands of low vision and blind mentors that can help you master your new skills.
•Learn about the latest and greatest technologies for the blind and low vision community at one of the largest gatherings of venders of low vision and blind technologies in the world.

Students aged 16 to 24 who are referred to the YES Academy by their Department of Rehabilitation counselor are encouraged to apply. The LightHouse YES Academy includes dormitory lodging, hotel room expenses, transportation to and from Orlando, food, registration fees and many day-to-day expenses during the academy. Transportation to and from San Francisco is not included. Payment must be secured by June 15.

Registration
The first step in the registration process is to complete the online portion of the application by May 1. The application can be found at http://bit.ly/YESAcademy2016.

Lighthouse’s Youth Services Coordinator Jamey Gump will contact you shortly after your application has been submitted to complete the application process.

If you would like more information regarding the Lighthouse YES Academy, including costs, please contact Jamey Gump at 415.694.7372 or jgump at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:jgump at lighthouse-sf.org>.


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr  5 18:27:55 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:27:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
Message-ID: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>

I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
Thanks.
Christina

From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 18:34:11 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:34:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <57040523.3030508@gmail.com>

Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. 
Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have 
never encountered issues with the site.

On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
> Thanks.
> Christina
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 18:39:24 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:39:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009601d18f6a$7a7c8020$6f758060$@gmail.com>

True; blackboard is accessible.  The hang ups I've found are related to how
your professor uses blackboard; he or she will have their own style.  It is
important to go on to their blackboard page, and look around before class.
If you can, get one them to go through their class with you.  Second,
blackboard changes from time to time.  So, each semester, keep up with the
way the site for your school looks as best you can.  What I've found works
best is to either have the office for student disability or your professor,
the latter if at all possible, go through it with you.  Also, one trick I
used is to have the person in charge of accessibility added as a student to
the class for assistance if necessary.
 Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard

Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. 
Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have
never encountered issues with the site.

On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take
place over the summer.
> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there
any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
> Thanks.
> Christina
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 18:40:03 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:40:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>

For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my IPhone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
> 
>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>> Thanks.
>> Christina
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr  5 18:46:57 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 14:46:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
	<E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
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Thanks everyone.
My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online over the summer so only one semester.
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my IPhone. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
>> 
>>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>>> Thanks.
>>> Christina
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 19:27:38 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:27:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
	Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
	<5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
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I didn't know you were around on this list.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly you will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as you arrow left or right.
> 
>> On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde." Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word, and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center, and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to fix this?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Jason
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 19:54:55 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:54:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
	Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
	<5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>

Ok, I pressed num pad 5 twice quickly, and it said I accute instead of character 237. However, I want it to say I acute all the time. In other words, I don't want it to say s character 237 every time I navigate by word. I want it to just say sí as if it were saying the word.

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly you will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as you arrow left or right.
> 
>> On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde." Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word, and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center, and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to fix this?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Jason
>> _______________________________________________
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 20:10:51 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:10:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
 Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
	<5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
	<6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57041BCB.8030403@gmail.com>

I'm curious if your Special Character setting was changed.

Open the Default settings center. Next, go down to "Graphics and Symbols."

Look for the "Announce Special Symbols When" option and set it to "Also 
Say Word."

Save your changes and see if that works.

On 4/5/2016 3:54 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
> Ok, I pressed num pad 5 twice quickly, and it said I accute instead of character 237. However, I want it to say I acute all the time. In other words, I don't want it to say s character 237 every time I navigate by word. I want it to just say sí as if it were saying the word.
>
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly you will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as you arrow left or right.
>>
>>> On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde." Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word, and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center, and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to fix this?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Jason
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 20:44:07 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 16:44:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
 Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
	<5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
	<6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsr7s3atfKZXK_eeWZdANDHq95W68SKEZURfM8S3CsbC8ad-A@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, set the "Say Special Symbols When" option to "Never," not "Also
Say Word" as I previously suggested.

On 4/5/16, Jason Polansky via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ok, I pressed num pad 5 twice quickly, and it said I accute instead of
> character 237. However, I want it to say I acute all the time. In other
> words, I don't want it to say s character 237 every time I navigate by word.
> I want it to just say sí as if it were saying the word.
>
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly
>> label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a
>> desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly
>> label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly you
>> will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as you
>> arrow left or right.
>>
>>> On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web
>>> site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde."
>>> Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this
>>> annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in
>>> Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word,
>>> and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a
>>> acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I
>>> navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center,
>>> and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave
>>> this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to
>>> fix this?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Jason
>>> _______________________________________________
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 21:11:45 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 17:11:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Glitch with Jaws reading by character or word on
	Spanish textbook web site
In-Reply-To: <CAKsr7s3atfKZXK_eeWZdANDHq95W68SKEZURfM8S3CsbC8ad-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2EDD6258-7225-4187-BFA3-3376367CEE57@gmail.com>
	<5703BBCF.3020705@gmail.com>
	<6376D697-674B-4F8C-A2BB-2911393E3910@gmail.com>
	<CAKsr7s3atfKZXK_eeWZdANDHq95W68SKEZURfM8S3CsbC8ad-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C473CC08-A240-44E0-A433-476129E3F7E5@gmail.com>

That did the trick. Thank you!

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, set the "Say Special Symbols When" option to "Never," not "Also
> Say Word" as I previously suggested.
> 
>> On 4/5/16, Jason Polansky via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Ok, I pressed num pad 5 twice quickly, and it said I accute instead of
>> character 237. However, I want it to say I acute all the time. In other
>> words, I don't want it to say s character 237 every time I navigate by word.
>> I want it to just say sí as if it were saying the word.
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What you're hearing is the character value instead of the user-friendly
>>> label. If you press the SayCharacter command, which is NUMPAD5 on a
>>> desktop and JAWSKEY+COMMA on a laptop, you will hear the user-friendly
>>> label again. If you press the SayCharacter command three times quickly you
>>> will hear the value of the character. The hook will stay as long as you
>>> arrow left or right.
>>> 
>>>> On 4/4/2016 10:12 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Hello all.
>>>> When I navigate by character or word with Jaws on my Spanish textbook web
>>>> site, it does not read accent marks as as "a accute" or "n tilde."
>>>> Instead, it says "character 2 4 1" or "character 2 3 6." I find this
>>>> annoying, and I was wondering if any of you would know how to fix this in
>>>> Jaws settings. It only does this when I navigate by character or word,
>>>> and not when I read bY line or paragraph. Previously, it would say "a
>>>> acute" when I navigated by character and say the word normally when I
>>>> navigated by word. Recently, I was exploring the Jaws settings center,
>>>> and my guess is that I accidentally changed something that made it behave
>>>> this way, but I don't remember what it was. Would any of you know how to
>>>> fix this?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Jason
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Apr  5 21:44:42 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 17:44:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about TI84 Plus Graphing calculator
Message-ID: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>

Hello,
I have a TI84 Plus that I charge regularly. Recently, it has started to tell me to put in new batteries. What batteries is it talking about? Thanks.
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad

From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 22:17:33 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:17:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about TI84 Plus Graphing calculator
In-Reply-To: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>
References: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C5CBCC85-C82C-454F-BBAA-E39361A7A880@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I can help. 
It is talking about the batteries on the back of your calc. So what you need to do is flip your calc and open the rectangular cover. It takes four triple A batteries. 
 
Hope this helps, 
Nesma
> On Apr 5, 2016, at 17:44, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a TI84 Plus that I charge regularly. Recently, it has started to tell me to put in new batteries. What batteries is it talking about? Thanks.
> Mikayla
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From dsykora29 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 22:21:12 2016
From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:21:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
	<E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
	<68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
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I have also found Blackboard to be completely accessible. It's
definitely a good idea to check it out beforehand if possible. I am
not able to do this because I can only begin accessing each individual
course the day classes actually start, but it would be better to have
an idea of what your working with in advance.

Danielle

On 4/5/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks everyone.
> My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online over
> the summer so only one semester.
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my
>> IPhone.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system.
>>> Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have
>>> never encountered issues with the site.
>>>
>>>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take
>>>> place over the summer.
>>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there
>>>> any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Christina
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Apr  5 23:53:23 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2016 19:53:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about TI84 Plus Graphing calculator
In-Reply-To: <C5CBCC85-C82C-454F-BBAA-E39361A7A880@gmail.com>
References: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>
	<C5CBCC85-C82C-454F-BBAA-E39361A7A880@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C56A1795-BBC3-4F71-B917-912672EDE5F0@icloud.com>

Thanks so much. I never knew you had to recharge and replace the batteries.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> I can help. 
> It is talking about the batteries on the back of your calc. So what you need to do is flip your calc and open the rectangular cover. It takes four triple A batteries. 
> 
> Hope this helps, 
> Nesma
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 17:44, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have a TI84 Plus that I charge regularly. Recently, it has started to tell me to put in new batteries. What batteries is it talking about? Thanks.
>> Mikayla
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  5 23:57:14 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:57:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about TI84 Plus Graphing calculator
In-Reply-To: <C56A1795-BBC3-4F71-B917-912672EDE5F0@icloud.com>
References: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>
	<C5CBCC85-C82C-454F-BBAA-E39361A7A880@gmail.com>
	<C56A1795-BBC3-4F71-B917-912672EDE5F0@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <FAE3CEA2-7007-4275-BC35-0A7EB82C01DB@gmail.com>

Well, the batteries in the back of the calculator power the display in which people cited can see. V charger that comes with the calculator charger the talking part of it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2016, at 19:53, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much. I never knew you had to recharge and replace the batteries.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> I can help. 
>> It is talking about the batteries on the back of your calc. So what you need to do is flip your calc and open the rectangular cover. It takes four triple A batteries. 
>> 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Nesma
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 17:44, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I have a TI84 Plus that I charge regularly. Recently, it has started to tell me to put in new batteries. What batteries is it talking about? Thanks.
>>> Mikayla
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 00:40:04 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:40:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about TI84 Plus Graphing calculatorx
In-Reply-To: <FAE3CEA2-7007-4275-BC35-0A7EB82C01DB@gmail.com>
References: <7DEBBDC6-40C5-45B6-88BE-B041B91F4ED3@icloud.com>
	<C5CBCC85-C82C-454F-BBAA-E39361A7A880@gmail.com>
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Mikayla,
I believe this question has been answered.  The calculator takes 4 AA batteries, but please note that in the same compartment where the AA batteries are there is a reset button (just above where the AA batteries go), and to the left of the reset button there is a panel that contains one of those round batteries (not sure what they are called), this panel must be taken off with a small screwdriver. These round batteries must be replaced sometimes, if your calculator isn't working or charging this is a clear sign to replace the round one, otherwise I think the AA batteries will do. Hope this helps
 

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 5, 2016, at 5:57 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Well, the batteries in the back of the calculator power the display in which people cited can see. V charger that comes with the calculator charger the talking part of it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 19:53, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks so much. I never knew you had to recharge and replace the batteries.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 6:17 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> I can help. 
>>> It is talking about the batteries on the back of your calc. So what you need to do is flip your calc and open the rectangular cover. It takes four triple A batteries. 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps, 
>>> Nesma
>>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 17:44, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I have a TI84 Plus that I charge regularly. Recently, it has started to tell me to put in new batteries. What batteries is it talking about? Thanks.
>>>> Mikayla
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 07:01:56 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:01:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Learn About The NFB's Performing Arts Division,
 Win A Prize And Be Entertained Tonight On KJSC Radio
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Please spread this around to anyone that you think would want to know
about this:
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Tonight, hear great music, and learn about the NFB's Performing Arts
Division, as I interview PAD President Julie McGinnity in the second
hour about the future of the division. Want to know what the
Performing Arts Division is? What are they doing during this year's
convention? And more? Tonight, you'll get all of this exciting
information.
And one lucky winner will walk away with the NFB's latest music album
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And you can make requests all day today and throughout the show at
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We're going to have a blast tonight, Wednesday April 6 2016, so I hope
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I hope to see you all there!
>From David Dunphy


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 21:43:16 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:43:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] NFB BELL Academy applications
	are live!
References: <auto-000054696847@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <73743E8D-A5CC-4B10-9A93-3023BA4E6624@gmail.com>

Hi all, 
I was asked to pass on this email along. 
Please send it out to anyone you think will be interested. 
Thanks, 
Nesma

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: "Walker, Carlton via Nfbnet-members-list" <nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] NFB BELL Academy applications are live!
> Date: April 6, 2016 at 01:08:05 EDT
> To: nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org
> Reply-To: "Walker, Carlton" <CWalker at nfb.org>
> 
>  
> Greetings,
>  
> We are pleased to announce that the 2016 NFB BELL Academy student applications are now live!
>  
> Here is the link to the English application: https://nfb.org/bell-summer-program-form <https://nfb.org/bell-summer-program-form>. 
> The link to the Spanish application is on the English application page, and can be accessed directly at: https://nfb.org/node/2672?lang=es <https://nfb.org/node/2672?lang=es>. 
>  
> This is the link to the English permission and release forms: https://nfb.org/bell-permission-and-release-forms <https://nfb.org/bell-permission-and-release-forms>. 
> The link to the Spanish permission and release forms is on the English permission and release forms page, and can be accessed directly at: https://nfb.org/node/2686 <https://nfb.org/node/2686>. 
>  
>  
>  
> Please note that the application process for NFB BELL Academy contains several steps:
>  
> 1.       Fill out the NFB BELL Academy application at: https://nfb.org/bell-summer-program-form <https://nfb.org/bell-summer-program-form>, 
> 2.       After you submit the application, you will receive a confirmation email. That confirmation email will direct you to fill out the permission and release forms at: https://nfb.org/bell-permission-and-release-forms <https://nfb.org/bell-permission-and-release-forms>. 
> 3.       After you complete the permission and release forms, you will receive another confirmation email. This second confirmation mail will contain your answers to the permission and release forms. 
> 4.       Print out this second confirmation email, and sign and date it at the bottom of the last page.
> 5.       Send the signed confirmation email to your NFB BELL Academy state coordinator, listed on the email.
>  
> Please feel free to share this information with any family or friends of potential NFB BELL Academy students. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions or concerns at 410-659-9314, extension 2225 or via email at cwalker at nfb.org <mailto:cwalker at nfb.org>. 
>  
> Braille rocks, and BELLs ring!
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Carlton Anne Cook Walker, J.D., M.B.A., M.Ed.
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
> Manager of Braille Education Programs
> 200 East Wells Street
> Baltimore, MD   21230
> (410) 659-9314, extension 2225
> CWalker at nfb.org <mailto:CWalker at nfb.org>
>  
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Apr  8 06:41:33 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 02:41:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access
Message-ID: <7497212493D64A1CA36D3A7A6924BFD7@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Some of you in one of the recent threads stated that blackboard is accessible.

Here is my experience.
I strongly disagree that it is accessible. I use jaws 16 and windows 7.
The send email feature is not accessible as you cannot select group members with the keyboard.
I  have had problems using the discussion board. In the past, I was able to create messages and reply to them.
I used to be able to click on create thread to make a new message.

Also, downloading files is harder, but not impossible. In the past, I could click on the links to download the files and then a dialogue box appeared and I simply tabbed to save file. But not anymore. I have to use the notification toolbar and tab to save as.

Oh, and there is something called blackboard collaborate and I’m not sure if that is accessible.
I need to do online work with my group for a project and assignments, so I hope blackboard has a way to do immediate communication via something like instant message or talking; I mean actually talking like during a skype call.
So far the group used the discussion board and I emailed my thoughts although I had sighted help with that.
I can read the discussions but not create threads.

Has anyone had these problems, or if not, how can you use the discussion board?

Ashley

From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Apr  8 11:01:43 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 04:01:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
	<E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
	<68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <mailman.261.1772982282.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, all,
Allthough MOODLE, or however you write it has been a feature of some 
classes in which I have been enroled, as far as I know, the sight is 
not accessable. I just submit my assignments to teach without Moodle, 
via regular E-mail. At 11:46 AM 4/5/2016, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>Thanks everyone.
>My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online 
>over the summer so only one semester.
> > On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the 
> sight on my IPhone.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 
> system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond 
> this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
> >>
> >>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
> >>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that 
> will take place over the summer.
> >>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? 
> Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
> >>> Thanks.
> >>> Christina
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Apr  8 11:06:44 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:06:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <57078fe7.5432370a.f551.ffffc40eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
	<E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
	<68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
	<57078fe7.5432370a.f551.ffffc40eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F0AEDB56-36A2-4957-A4A9-4B73318900B4@coe.edu>

Hello.
I also use Moodle, and have found it to be pretty accessible. It doesn't usually work on my iPhone though… What are you using to access Moodle? Are you using a computer with Jaws? 
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
Kennedy Stomberg

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, all,
> Allthough MOODLE, or however you write it has been a feature of some classes in which I have been enroled, as far as I know, the sight is not accessable. I just submit my assignments to teach without Moodle, via regular E-mail. At 11:46 AM 4/5/2016, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> Thanks everyone.
>> My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online over the summer so only one semester.
>> > On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my IPhone.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
>> >>
>> >>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
>> >>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>> >>> Thanks.
>> >>> Christina
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> nabs-l mailing list
>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Apr  8 11:09:51 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:09:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access
In-Reply-To: <7497212493D64A1CA36D3A7A6924BFD7@OwnerPC>
References: <7497212493D64A1CA36D3A7A6924BFD7@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <2FC0FAB2-BE5A-43AB-868C-C68C550C627A@coe.edu>

That is so strange!
It sounds as though this platform used to be accessible, and it no longer is. That's super frustrating! I've never used it, but I understand your pain with an accessible platforms.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Some of you in one of the recent threads stated that blackboard is accessible.
> 
> Here is my experience.
> I strongly disagree that it is accessible. I use jaws 16 and windows 7.
> The send email feature is not accessible as you cannot select group members with the keyboard.
> I  have had problems using the discussion board. In the past, I was able to create messages and reply to them.
> I used to be able to click on create thread to make a new message.
> 
> Also, downloading files is harder, but not impossible. In the past, I could click on the links to download the files and then a dialogue box appeared and I simply tabbed to save file. But not anymore. I have to use the notification toolbar and tab to save as.
> 
> Oh, and there is something called blackboard collaborate and I’m not sure if that is accessible.
> I need to do online work with my group for a project and assignments, so I hope blackboard has a way to do immediate communication via something like instant message or talking; I mean actually talking like during a skype call.
> So far the group used the discussion board and I emailed my thoughts although I had sighted help with that.
> I can read the discussions but not create threads.
> 
> Has anyone had these problems, or if not, how can you use the discussion board?
> 
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Apr  9 17:32:46 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:32:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
In-Reply-To: <F0AEDB56-36A2-4957-A4A9-4B73318900B4@coe.edu>
References: <F80A6B88-908B-43DE-AAF8-9602FDDD6AE8@houghton.edu>
	<57040523.3030508@gmail.com>
	<E2A8F67D-8008-460B-BDAB-555BC8F948A6@gmail.com>
	<68142D38-A0BE-41BA-9702-D3D025ABAF0A@houghton.edu>
	<57078fe7.5432370a.f551.ffffc40eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<F0AEDB56-36A2-4957-A4A9-4B73318900B4@coe.edu>
Message-ID: <63BDE6D7-96AE-47AF-B6E1-478BC0F573F1@houghton.edu>

Hi,
I use Moodle almost daily and it is extremely accessible.
I take exams on Moodle, submit assignments and  participate in discussion boards. Anyway you can email me off list.
I use Jaws 17 with windows 10, and VoiceOver  on the iPhone and mac.


God bless.--Christina

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 07:06, KENNEDY STOMBERG via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> I also use Moodle, and have found it to be pretty accessible. It doesn't usually work on my iPhone though… What are you using to access Moodle? Are you using a computer with Jaws? 
> Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, all,
>> Allthough MOODLE, or however you write it has been a feature of some classes in which I have been enroled, as far as I know, the sight is not accessable. I just submit my assignments to teach without Moodle, via regular E-mail. At 11:46 AM 4/5/2016, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Thanks everyone.
>>> My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online over the summer so only one semester.
>>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my IPhone.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
>>>>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> Christina
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 17:49:44 2016
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 13:49:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Use of Blackboard
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Every version of Moodle  is customizable… So some versions may not be as accessible as others… It all depends on your instructor, and the school…


Hope Paulos

> On Apr 9, 2016, at 1:32 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I use Moodle almost daily and it is extremely accessible.
> I take exams on Moodle, submit assignments and  participate in discussion boards. Anyway you can email me off list.
> I use Jaws 17 with windows 10, and VoiceOver  on the iPhone and mac.
> 
> 
> God bless.--Christina
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 07:06, KENNEDY STOMBERG via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> I also use Moodle, and have found it to be pretty accessible. It doesn't usually work on my iPhone though… What are you using to access Moodle? Are you using a computer with Jaws? 
>> Let me know if there's anything I can do to help!
>> Kennedy Stomberg
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2016, at 6:01 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good morning, all,
>>> Allthough MOODLE, or however you write it has been a feature of some classes in which I have been enroled, as far as I know, the sight is not accessable. I just submit my assignments to teach without Moodle, via regular E-mail. At 11:46 AM 4/5/2016, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Thanks everyone.
>>>> My college uses Moodle. This is just a class I will be taking online over the summer so only one semester.
>>>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:40, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For my school i use edline and it is ok. I prefer to use the sight on my IPhone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 5, 2016, at 14:34, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Blackboard is completely accessible, more so with their Learn 9 system. Be aware though that it's a system that uses frames. Beyond this, I have never encountered issues with the site.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4/5/2016 2:27 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>>> I am planning on registering for a college course online that will take place over the summer.
>>>>>>> Does anyone have any knowledge about BlackBoard accessibility? Are there any challenges I should be aware of? Any positives?
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Christina
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From tonysohl at samobile.net  Sat Apr  9 20:07:25 2016
From: tonysohl at samobile.net (Tony Sohl)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2016 16:07:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 7Braille Note 32 QT
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Hi I have a Braille Note 32 cell QT in excellent condition and the only 
thing is the battery needs to be charged.

It has all it's original cables, manuals, software and all accessories.

It's running Keysoft version 8.0 build 23.

I'm asking $500 or best offer and this also includes shipping. If you 
are intristed, then you can email me at: tonysohl at samobile.net


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Apr  9 20:41:31 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 16:41:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Is anyone applying to the Yes academy program
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Hi everyone,
Have any of you applied to the Yes academy program from Lighthouse? I have and was wondering what others thought.Amanda

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 10 00:42:03 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:42:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access
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I have never attempted the e-mail feature, or the use of blackboard collaborate.
Up until last decembe,r I was able to create messages, and reply to them.
When I down load files, I hit inter, hit alt ne, then save it.
 Justin


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That is so strange!
It sounds as though this platform used to be accessible, and it no longer is. That's super frustrating! I've never used it, but I understand your pain with an accessible platforms.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 8, 2016, at 1:41 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Some of you in one of the recent threads stated that blackboard is accessible.
> 
> Here is my experience.
> I strongly disagree that it is accessible. I use jaws 16 and windows 7.
> The send email feature is not accessible as you cannot select group members with the keyboard.
> I  have had problems using the discussion board. In the past, I was able to create messages and reply to them.
> I used to be able to click on create thread to make a new message.
> 
> Also, downloading files is harder, but not impossible. In the past, I could click on the links to download the files and then a dialogue box appeared and I simply tabbed to save file. But not anymore. I have to use the notification toolbar and tab to save as.
> 
> Oh, and there is something called blackboard collaborate and I’m not sure if that is accessible.
> I need to do online work with my group for a project and assignments, so I hope blackboard has a way to do immediate communication via something like instant message or talking; I mean actually talking like during a skype call.
> So far the group used the discussion board and I emailed my thoughts although I had sighted help with that.
> I can read the discussions but not create threads.
> 
> Has anyone had these problems, or if not, how can you use the discussion board?
> 
> Ashley
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From Pnwthorsen at aol.com  Mon Apr 11 13:48:58 2016
From: Pnwthorsen at aol.com (Heidi Thorsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:48:58 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} From Heidi Thorsen ..... Help!!!
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I really hope you get this fast. I could not inform anyone about our trip, because it was impromptu. We had to be in Philippines for a Tour..the program was successful, but our journey has turned sour. We misplaced our wallets and cell phones on our way back to the hotel after we went for sight seeing. The wallet contains all the valuables we have. Now, our luggage is in custody of the hotel management pending when we make payment.
I am sorry if i am inconveniencing you, but I have only very few people to turn to now. I will be very grateful if I can get a short term loan of ($1,950) from you. This will enable me sort our hotel bills and get my sorry self back home. I will really appreciate whatever you can afford at this moment. I promise to refund it in full as soon as I return. Please let me know if you can be of any assistance.
Thanks
Heidi

From lanier.abigail at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 16:54:24 2016
From: lanier.abigail at gmail.com (Abigail Lanier)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:54:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Deadline Approaching! Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic
	Achievement Awards
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We are coming up to the final days to be able to apply for The Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Awards (SAA) for college seniors and graduate students who are Learning Ally members and are blind or visually impaired. If you are eligible apply now!!! Deadline is April 30th 2016.

Here is a link: http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d <http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d>




Abigail Lanier
Learning Ally
College Success Program Mentor Coordinator
Manhattan Studio Production Assistant
C: 910-520-4337




From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 18:41:10 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:41:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
Message-ID: <EE724E8A-456F-49D4-A288-D4C92F24DDC0@gmail.com>

Hi all,

  at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it’s members to be considered first class citizens.
 speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
  Darian 

From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 18:45:12 2016
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:45:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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  Wow here in Mexico as well as in other Latinamerican countries, we're 
considered maybe 2nd or 3rd class citizens" For me, first-class 
citizenship would be to have the same opportunities as everyone else. 
The case in point which brings me to say that we're second or 
third-class citizens involves divorces: my parents are in the process of 
divorcing, and according to the law here in Mexico, the judge has to 
decide with whom I'll stay to live if you can imagine? Wow!

El 11/04/2016 01:41 p.m., Darian Smith via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi all,
>
>    at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it’s members to be considered first class citizens.
>   speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
>    Darian
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-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México



From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 19:58:03 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:58:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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Having the same opportunities as everyone else, and being seen as equal.
 
Justin

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Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship

Hi all,

  at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it’s members to be considered first class citizens.
 speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
  Darian 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 20:51:34 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:51:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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First class citizenship.
To be treated as if I had the same value as the guy next to me.  When products are, they are made with me and my abilities in mind, rather than a second thought.  When people see me, they speak to me the same as they speak to the guy next me.  If the world was made up of places, people and things that make me feel valuable rather than an outsider or a special case, that would be first class to me.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it’s members to be considered first class citizens.
> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
>  Darian 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 22:21:27 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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	<F523FD85-1BB2-45AB-B403-D85457F8831A@gmail.com>
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Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 22:28:54 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:28:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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Absolutely!  We as blind people should have the same rights and 
responsibilities as anyone else.

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Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should 
demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Apr 12 04:25:45 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:25:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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I absolutely agree with everything people have been saying! I should be able to pursue the same opportunities as my side appears without people saying potation mark oh dear! How will we ever make this work for you? Quotation mark
I should also be expected to work hard to make money, not just receive handouts, or be the recipient of others charity. I should be expected to serve and help others, especially if that's what I've indicated I want to do!
Kennedy Stomberg

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> On Apr 11, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Absolutely!  We as blind people should have the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 12:37:54 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:37:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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	<4D562D8A-B258-4729-BD12-ECBEFF715F87@gmail.com>
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The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to jump
through more hoops to prove anything.
 Justin

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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Apr 12 15:21:13 2016
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:21:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access
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I have had similar problems to those you have mentioned.  I was quite unhappy with my experience.  

Loren Wakefield



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Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 1:42 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access

Hi all,

Some of you in one of the recent threads stated that blackboard is accessible.

Here is my experience.
I strongly disagree that it is accessible. I use jaws 16 and windows 7.
The send email feature is not accessible as you cannot select group members with the keyboard.
I  have had problems using the discussion board. In the past, I was able to create messages and reply to them.
I used to be able to click on create thread to make a new message.

Also, downloading files is harder, but not impossible. In the past, I could click on the links to download the files and then a dialogue box appeared and I simply tabbed to save file. But not anymore. I have to use the notification toolbar and tab to save as.

Oh, and there is something called blackboard collaborate and I’m not sure if that is accessible.
I need to do online work with my group for a project and assignments, so I hope blackboard has a way to do immediate communication via something like instant message or talking; I mean actually talking like during a skype call.
So far the group used the discussion board and I emailed my thoughts although I had sighted help with that.
I can read the discussions but not create threads.

Has anyone had these problems, or if not, how can you use the discussion board?

Ashley
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 15:51:46 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to jump
> through more hoops to prove anything.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> via nabs-l
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> 
> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From aec732 at msn.com  Tue Apr 12 15:55:42 2016
From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:55:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 114, Issue 10
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Dear all are usually don't wait in on your conversations but the message from Heidi is a scam that has been going around for quite a while under different names please don't send Heidi anything exclamation! Thanks Annemarie Cooke

Sent from my iPhone

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>   1. {Spam?} From Heidi Thorsen ..... Help!!! (Heidi Thorsen)
>   2. Deadline Approaching! Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic
>      Achievement Awards (Abigail Lanier)
>   3. First Class Citizenship (Darian Smith)
>   4. Re: First Class Citizenship (Gerardo Corripio)
>   5. Re: First Class Citizenship (justin williams)
>   6. Re: First Class Citizenship (annajee82 at gmail.com)
>   7. Re: First Class Citizenship (Darian Smith)
>   8. Re: First Class Citizenship (Karl Martin Adam)
>   9. Re: First Class Citizenship (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
> 
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:48:58 +0100
> From: "Heidi Thorsen" <Pnwthorsen at aol.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} From Heidi Thorsen ..... Help!!!
> Message-ID: <mailman.15.1460462402.7133.nabs-l_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
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> I really hope you get this fast. I could not inform anyone about our trip, because it was impromptu. We had to be in Philippines for a Tour..the program was successful, but our journey has turned sour. We misplaced our wallets and cell phones on our way back to the hotel after we went for sight seeing. The wallet contains all the valuables we have. Now, our luggage is in custody of the hotel management pending when we make payment.
> I am sorry if i am inconveniencing you, but I have only very few people to turn to now. I will be very grateful if I can get a short term loan of ($1,950) from you. This will enable me sort our hotel bills and get my sorry self back home. I will really appreciate whatever you can afford at this moment. I promise to refund it in full as soon as I return. Please let me know if you can be of any assistance.
> Thanks
> Heidi
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:54:24 -0400
> From: Abigail Lanier <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Deadline Approaching! Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic
>    Achievement Awards
> Message-ID: <66EBE47D-CD4D-4951-8DA6-7A87D130C37F at gmail.com>
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> We are coming up to the final days to be able to apply for The Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Awards (SAA) for college seniors and graduate students who are Learning Ally members and are blind or visually impaired. If you are eligible apply now!!! Deadline is April 30th 2016.
> 
> Here is a link: http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d <http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Abigail Lanier
> Learning Ally
> College Success Program Mentor Coordinator
> Manhattan Studio Production Assistant
> C: 910-520-4337
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:41:10 -0700
> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <EE724E8A-456F-49D4-A288-D4C92F24DDC0 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
>  Darian 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:45:12 -0500
> From: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <570BF0B8.2020803 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
>  Wow here in Mexico as well as in other Latinamerican countries, we're 
> considered maybe 2nd or 3rd class citizens" For me, first-class 
> citizenship would be to have the same opportunities as everyone else. 
> The case in point which brings me to say that we're second or 
> third-class citizens involves divorces: my parents are in the process of 
> divorcing, and according to the law here in Mexico, the judge has to 
> decide with whom I'll stay to live if you can imagine? Wow!
> 
> El 11/04/2016 01:41 p.m., Darian Smith via nabs-l escribi?:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>>   at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
>>  speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
>>   Darian
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> -- 
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psic?logo, Terap?uta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas M?xico
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:58:03 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> Having the same opportunities as everyone else, and being seen as equal.
> 
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
>  Darian 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:51:34 -0600
> From: annajee82 at gmail.com
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>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> First class citizenship.
> To be treated as if I had the same value as the guy next to me.  When products are, they are made with me and my abilities in mind, rather than a second thought.  When people see me, they speak to me the same as they speak to the guy next me.  If the world was made up of places, people and things that make me feel valuable rather than an outsider or a special case, that would be first class to me.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> at  the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire  for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
>> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail? 
>> Darian 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
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>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:28:54 -0400
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>    list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> 
> Absolutely!  We as blind people should have the same rights and 
> responsibilities as anyone else.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> 
> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should 
> demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:25:45 -0500
> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> I absolutely agree with everything people have been saying! I should be able to pursue the same opportunities as my side appears without people saying potation mark oh dear! How will we ever make this work for you? Quotation mark
> I should also be expected to work hard to make money, not just receive handouts, or be the recipient of others charity. I should be expected to serve and help others, especially if that's what I've indicated I want to do!
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely!  We as blind people should have the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr 12 16:00:09 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:00:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
Message-ID: <570d1bb4.c6e38c0a.6b469.fffffa3c@mx.google.com>

No group in society has every achieved the equality they have 
without putting in a lot of effort themselves.
As a population we need to show the world that we can be 
successful.  The more of us that go against perceptions of our 
abilities the closer we get to this status.
Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this 
country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or 
let them define us.
We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of 
society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more 
than them but this has been the case throughout history.
God Bless,
Christina

 ----- Original Message -----
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship

How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
 On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't 
half to jump
 through more hoops to prove anything.
 Justin

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Darian Smith
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
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 Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
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 Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should 
demand? Do
 you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 16:03:02 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 11:03:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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I completely agree with this Christina you are absolutely right.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without putting in a lot of effort themselves.
> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer we get to this status.
> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let them define us.
> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than them but this has been the case throughout history.
> God Bless,
> Christina
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> 
> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to jump
> through more hoops to prove anything.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> via nabs-l
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> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 16:44:02 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 09:44:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Community-service] Make a Difference in Your
	Community - Service Year
References: <5320011D-9E7F-40E1-9A4B-DDB9E9279E12@nfbcommunityservice.org>
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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Darian Smith via Community-service <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Community-service] Make a Difference in Your Community - Service Year
> Date: April 12, 2016 at 9:39:36 AM PDT
> To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Darian Smith <president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
> Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> 
> Hi all,
>  Just wanted to share the following website as a great opportunity for those looking to find an opportunity to “Serve A Year" and get paid for it, too.
>  The Community Service Division has been working with the folks responsible for putting the site together to help them see that this new site is  accessible.
>   If you do so happen to have issues accessing anything do shoot an e-mail to: president at nfbcommunityservice.org <mailto:president at nfbcommunityservice.org>. 
>> https://serviceyr.org/ <https://serviceyr.org/>
>> 
>> How will you spend your service year?
>> 
>> A service year is a paid, full-time position for young Americans looking to improve people’s lives and make a lasting impact in communities across the country. From fighting poverty to working with kids to responding to natural disasters — a service year is a meaningful and fulfilling way to tackle the most pressing challenges facing our nation.
>> 
>> By serving a year, you can live in a new city, meet new people, learn new skills, and gain valuable leadership and professional experience — all while receiving a stipend and often a scholarship to help pay for college or student loans. Plus, this experience will help you stand out when applying to college and future jobs.
>> 
>> When you serve a year, you’ll be joining a nationwide community of corps members and alums who are committed to making a difference. No matter where you are in your education or career, a service year is an incredible opportunity that will let you be a part of shaping your future and your community for years to come.
>> 
>> 
>> Learn More
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> Darian Smith
> President, National Federation  of the Blind Community Service Division
> 
> Web: www.nfbcommunityservice.org <http://www.nfbcommunityservice.org/>
> 
> Twitter: @NFBCSDivision, at goldengateace
> 
> Facebook: search for “National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division"
> 
> E-mail: president at nfbcommunityservice.org <mailto:president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
>  
> (415)215-9809
> 
>  
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>  “We need your service, right now, at this moment - our moment - in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be; that's for you to discover. But I am going to ask you to play your part; ask you to stand up; ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history” — Barack Obama 
>  Help drive change for the blind .
> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org <http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org/> or call 1-855-659-9314
> “
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From rloew at ETS.ORG  Tue Apr 12 17:46:01 2016
From: rloew at ETS.ORG (Loew, Ruth C)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:46:01 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS meeting
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB1704C330CA7A0AF3FFDC01EEAF950@BN3PR0701MB1704.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, everyone.  Have the date and time for the NABS meeting at Convention been set yet?  If so, please post this info, and/or email me off-list.  Thanks!

Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
Assistant Director
Office of Disability Policy, ETS
rloew at ets.org


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From pnwthorsen at aol.com  Tue Apr 12 17:49:37 2016
From: pnwthorsen at aol.com (pnwthorsen at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:49:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 114, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <BAY404-EAS59443EA710D6B41C30172294950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1540b97caf7-701b-1609@webprd-m12.mail.aol.com>

I am so sorry this email has gone out to so many.  It most definitely is a scam and i appreciate all who have notified me.  Again, I am so sorry, but I don't think it will in any way impact any of your accounts.  It saddens me to think this sort of thing happens.

Best Regards,
Heidi Thorsen


-----Original Message-----
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Cc: Annemarie <aec732 at msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 12, 2016 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 114, Issue 10


Dear all are usually don't wait in on your conversations but the message from Heidi is a scam that has been going around for quite a while under different names please don't send Heidi anything exclamation! Thanks Annemarie Cooke

Sent from my iPhone

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> 1. {Spam?} From Heidi Thorsen ..... Help!!! (Heidi Thorsen)
> 2. Deadline Approaching! Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic
> Achievement Awards (Abigail Lanier)
> 3. First Class Citizenship (Darian Smith)
> 4. Re: First Class Citizenship (Gerardo Corripio)
> 5. Re: First Class Citizenship (justin williams)
> 6. Re: First Class Citizenship (annajee82 at gmail.com)
> 7. Re: First Class Citizenship (Darian Smith)
> 8. Re: First Class Citizenship (Karl Martin Adam)
> 9. Re: First Class Citizenship (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:48:58 +0100
> From: "Heidi Thorsen" <Pnwthorsen at aol.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} From Heidi Thorsen ..... Help!!!
> Message-ID: <mailman.15.1460462402.7133.nabs-l_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
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>
> I really hope you get this fast. I could not inform anyone about our trip, because it was impromptu. We had to be in Philippines for a Tour..the program was successful, but our journey has turned sour. We misplaced our wallets and cell phones on our way back to the hotel after we went for sight seeing. The wallet contains all the valuables we have. Now, our luggage is in custody of the hotel management pending when we make payment.
> I am sorry if i am inconveniencing you, but I have only very few people to turn to now. I will be very grateful if I can get a short term loan of ($1,950) from you. This will enable me sort our hotel bills and get my sorry self back home. I will really appreciate whatever you can afford at this moment. I promise to refund it in full as soon as I return. Please let me know if you can be of any assistance.
> Thanks
> Heidi
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:54:24 -0400
> From: Abigail Lanier <lanier.abigail at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Deadline Approaching! Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic
> Achievement Awards
> Message-ID: <66EBE47D-CD4D-4951-8DA6-7A87D130C37F at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> We are coming up to the final days to be able to apply for The Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Awards (SAA) for college seniors and graduate students who are Learning Ally members and are blind or visually impaired. If you are eligible apply now!!! Deadline is April 30th 2016.
>
> Here is a link: http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d <http://us3.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0eeae9816449e3afb4f3cfd80&id=10d4491b3d>
>
>
>
>
> Abigail Lanier
> Learning Ally
> College Success Program Mentor Coordinator
> Manhattan Studio Production Assistant
> C: 910-520-4337
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:41:10 -0700
> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <EE724E8A-456F-49D4-A288-D4C92F24DDC0 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi all,
>
> at the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
> Darian
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 13:45:12 -0500
> From: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <570BF0B8.2020803 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Wow here in Mexico as well as in other Latinamerican countries, we're
> considered maybe 2nd or 3rd class citizens" For me, first-class
> citizenship would be to have the same opportunities as everyone else.
> The case in point which brings me to say that we're second or
> third-class citizens involves divorces: my parents are in the process of
> divorcing, and according to the law here in Mexico, the judge has to
> decide with whom I'll stay to live if you can imagine? Wow!
>
> El 11/04/2016 01:41 p.m., Darian Smith via nabs-l escribi?:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> at the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
>> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
>> Darian
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> --
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psic?logo, Terap?uta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas M?xico
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:58:03 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> Having the same opportunities as everyone else, and being seen as equal.
>
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 2:41 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>
> Hi all,
>
> at the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
> Darian
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 14:51:34 -0600
> From: annajee82 at gmail.com
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> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> First class citizenship.
> To be treated as if I had the same value as the guy next to me. When products are, they are made with me and my abilities in mind, rather than a second thought. When people see me, they speak to me the same as they speak to the guy next me. If the world was made up of places, people and things that make me feel valuable rather than an outsider or a special case, that would be first class to me.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 12:41 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> at the heart of every minority groups fight for equality is the desire for it?s members to be considered first class citizens.
>> speaking from your point of view as a blind person, what does first class citizenship entail?
>> Darian
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
> From: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Do you believe that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 18:28:54 -0400
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <570c2544.d1e60d0a.5c5a4.ffffb3c3 at mx.google.com>
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> Absolutely! We as blind people should have the same rights and
> responsibilities as anyone else.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>
> Do you believe that there is more then a right that we should
> demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 23:25:45 -0500
> From: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> Message-ID: <C70E3F16-0971-48C5-A502-6D585A56D71E at coe.edu>
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> I absolutely agree with everything people have been saying! I should be able to pursue the same opportunities as my side appears without people saying potation mark oh dear! How will we ever make this work for you? Quotation mark
> I should also be expected to work hard to make money, not just receive handouts, or be the recipient of others charity. I should be expected to serve and help others, especially if that's what I've indicated I want to do!
> Kennedy Stomberg
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 11, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Absolutely! We as blind people should have the same rights and responsibilities as anyone else.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 15:21:27 -0700
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 17:56:25 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:56:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
In-Reply-To: <570d1bb4.c6e38c0a.6b469.fffffa3c@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <570D36C9.6050708@gmail.com>

This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point 
eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves. 
Many of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is 
wrong with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could 
be ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the 
world is.

We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is 
very low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be 
ready to jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a 
point. If we sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will 
never get anywhere. Just because we have to work a little harder than 
our sighted counterparts does not mean we are second-class citizens; it 
only means we have an avenue for achieving equality by working harder, 
so we must take it.

On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without 
> putting in a lot of effort themselves.
> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  
> The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer 
> we get to this status.
> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this 
> country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let 
> them define us.
> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of 
> society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than 
> them but this has been the case throughout history.
> God Bless,
> Christina
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>
> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to 
> jump
> through more hoops to prove anything.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
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> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>
> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 18:19:34 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:19:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS meeting
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Ruth:

To my knowledge, we don't yet have a time set for our meeting at convention. This was discussed at our last Board meeting, and it appears that we won't have any definite information until the agenda is finalized. If anyone else on the Board or otherwise has any information on this, please feel free to post it.

Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member

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> On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:46 PM, Loew, Ruth C via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, everyone.  Have the date and time for the NABS meeting at Convention been set yet?  If so, please post this info, and/or email me off-list.  Thanks!
> 
> Ruth C. Loew, Ph.D.
> Assistant Director
> Office of Disability Policy, ETS
> rloew at ets.org
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 18:48:27 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 12:48:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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Why did the professionals in my school's disability office tell me not to major in Biology because I can't see?  Because they see me as an intelligent, valuable member of this field of science?  No, they would have seen me as that if my eyes work.  This is not first class treatment.  Why did the guy begging for money ask everyone for money but me?  I look just like everyone else, but I have a white cane.  This is not equal treatment.  Why did my friend recently get denied a job that he was qualified for than the person who got it?  He used a cane, the less qualified person hired did not.  You can't tell me we are being treated like first class citizens.  We are treated like less than the person next to us.  

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves. Many of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is wrong with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could be ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the world is.
> 
> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is very low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be ready to jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a point. If we sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will never get anywhere. Just because we have to work a little harder than our sighted counterparts does not mean we are second-class citizens; it only means we have an avenue for achieving equality by working harder, so we must take it.
> 
>> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer we get to this status.
>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let them define us.
>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than them but this has been the case throughout history.
>> God Bless,
>> Christina
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>> 
>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to jump
>> through more hoops to prove anything.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>> 
>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
>> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Apr 12 18:59:13 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:59:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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So true Anna!
I do agree with what others have said. Whining or talking about how unfair the world is isn't going to change our problems. But that doesn't mean that it won't be difficult to face those barriers. It also doesn't mean we are first class citizens. I too was discouraged from majoring in biology for a very long time. It was only by proving my abilities in my biology classes that I started to be encouraged to pursue this major. I think we need to be seen as just as valuable as our site appears. That may mean we have to do more work, but we are definitely not first class citizens yet!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Why did the professionals in my school's disability office tell me not to major in Biology because I can't see?  Because they see me as an intelligent, valuable member of this field of science?  No, they would have seen me as that if my eyes work.  This is not first class treatment.  Why did the guy begging for money ask everyone for money but me?  I look just like everyone else, but I have a white cane.  This is not equal treatment.  Why did my friend recently get denied a job that he was qualified for than the person who got it?  He used a cane, the less qualified person hired did not.  You can't tell me we are being treated like first class citizens.  We are treated like less than the person next to us.  
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves. Many of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is wrong with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could be ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the world is.
>> 
>> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is very low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be ready to jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a point. If we sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will never get anywhere. Just because we have to work a little harder than our sighted counterparts does not mean we are second-class citizens; it only means we have an avenue for achieving equality by working harder, so we must take it.
>> 
>>> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer we get to this status.
>>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let them define us.
>>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than them but this has been the case throughout history.
>>> God Bless,
>>> Christina
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to jump
>>> through more hoops to prove anything.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
>>> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 19:07:46 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:07:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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And, I've experienced a loss of a grad school career, my first one, even
though I did the same thing as the other students, but got different results
due to blindness. 
Granted, I should have done a better job researching the program, but I was
left out of Graduate assistantships due to blindness.  I didn't get a push
from the professors or anything.  Was I the perfect grad student, of course
not.  However, I was not aloud to make the same mistakes, nor have the same
opportunities as the other students.  I worked hard, made good grades, and
did my best to contribute and participate. I'm not wining, I'm just  stating
the facts.  And while I understand that I do have to work a little harder,
that does not make it right or fair.  I don't mind the working harder, but I
do mind getting screwed or discriminated against. I'm not blaming anyone, or
a system.  You work with what you've got.  I've admitted that my
investigation skills should have been more on point.  But man, the second
class citizen status cost me my first real career opportunity. 





-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship

Why did the professionals in my school's disability office tell me not to
major in Biology because I can't see?  Because they see me as an
intelligent, valuable member of this field of science?  No, they would have
seen me as that if my eyes work.  This is not first class treatment.  Why
did the guy begging for money ask everyone for money but me?  I look just
like everyone else, but I have a white cane.  This is not equal treatment.
Why did my friend recently get denied a job that he was qualified for than
the person who got it?  He used a cane, the less qualified person hired did
not.  You can't tell me we are being treated like first class citizens.  We
are treated like less than the person next to us.  

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point
eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves. Many
of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is wrong
with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could be
ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the world
is.
> 
> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is very
low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be ready to
jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a point. If we
sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will never get anywhere.
Just because we have to work a little harder than our sighted counterparts
does not mean we are second-class citizens; it only means we have an avenue
for achieving equality by working harder, so we must take it.
> 
>> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without
putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  The
more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer we get to
this status.
>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this country.
Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let them define us.
>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of society
to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than them but this
has been the case throughout history.
>> God Bless,
>> Christina
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>> 
>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half 
>> to jump through more hoops to prove anything.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian 
>> Smith via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>> 
>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should 
>> demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
>> _______________________________________________
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Apr 12 19:48:11 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:48:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
In-Reply-To: <01c301d194ee$99b72920$cd257b60$@gmail.com>
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That is such a bummer, Justin! But the point you've made are completely correct!


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 2:07 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> And, I've experienced a loss of a grad school career, my first one, even
> though I did the same thing as the other students, but got different results
> due to blindness. 
> Granted, I should have done a better job researching the program, but I was
> left out of Graduate assistantships due to blindness.  I didn't get a push
> from the professors or anything.  Was I the perfect grad student, of course
> not.  However, I was not aloud to make the same mistakes, nor have the same
> opportunities as the other students.  I worked hard, made good grades, and
> did my best to contribute and participate. I'm not wining, I'm just  stating
> the facts.  And while I understand that I do have to work a little harder,
> that does not make it right or fair.  I don't mind the working harder, but I
> do mind getting screwed or discriminated against. I'm not blaming anyone, or
> a system.  You work with what you've got.  I've admitted that my
> investigation skills should have been more on point.  But man, the second
> class citizen status cost me my first real career opportunity. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 2:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
> 
> Why did the professionals in my school's disability office tell me not to
> major in Biology because I can't see?  Because they see me as an
> intelligent, valuable member of this field of science?  No, they would have
> seen me as that if my eyes work.  This is not first class treatment.  Why
> did the guy begging for money ask everyone for money but me?  I look just
> like everyone else, but I have a white cane.  This is not equal treatment.
> Why did my friend recently get denied a job that he was qualified for than
> the person who got it?  He used a cane, the less qualified person hired did
> not.  You can't tell me we are being treated like first class citizens.  We
> are treated like less than the person next to us.  
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 11:56 AM, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point
> eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves. Many
> of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is wrong
> with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could be
> ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the world
> is.
>> 
>> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is very
> low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be ready to
> jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a point. If we
> sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will never get anywhere.
> Just because we have to work a little harder than our sighted counterparts
> does not mean we are second-class citizens; it only means we have an avenue
> for achieving equality by working harder, so we must take it.
>> 
>>> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without
> putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.  The
> more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer we get to
> this status.
>>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this country.
> Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let them define us.
>>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of society
> to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than them but this
> has been the case throughout history.
>>> God Bless,
>>> Christina
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half 
>>> to jump through more hoops to prove anything.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian 
>>> Smith via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should 
>>> demand? Do you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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From suzannegirl25 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 19:56:23 2016
From: suzannegirl25 at gmail.com (Joanne Michelle Stark)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 14:56:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
Message-ID: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>

I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff. Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President



From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr 12 20:04:22 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:04:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
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Hi,

I had a poor experience with Statistics (the closest I got to college
math) so I'm not going to be much help probably.
Will you be using a notetaker to type out your math? If so, I believe
there is a notetaker that can be used to write math but I could be
wrong (someone correct me if I am).
Or will you be writing your math out manually? If so, you may be able
to find a local transcriber that could transcribe the math for you
(you could use any college funding to pay for the service/your college
may be able to). I'm not really sure, just some thoughts I have.
Keep in mind though that work going from you, to a transcriber and
then to your professor could slow down your time for completing the
class unless a very time-efficient system is set up.
Not sure this helps but hopefully someone else can add more information to this.
Good luck!

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff. Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
> Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
>
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 20:12:41 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:12:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAHz73k5k45wWZpMo-Np8+3R4pNPD6To0o6Cvjp0x3AL5oOznw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joanne,
There are many ways to translate math into a way for your teacher to
understand. Do you have a notetaker? I use the Nemeth entry on my
BrailleSense, which allows me to type in a braille document and save it as
a word doc. It translates the file into graphics that make the text look
like it normally would in print. The BrailleNote has a similar feature.
Having a reader can definitely be helpful for explaining graphs, tactile
graphics, and other concepts, or your teacher may be willing to work with
you some outside of class. Are you in high school or college? There are
some things that are almost impossible to do on a notetaker, such as long
division, of which a Perkins brailler is necessary. Currently, I'm taking a
business math class, of which most of the math can be done horizontally.
Let me know if I can help in any other way. It's one of those things that
everyone has a somewhat different process for accomplishing,.

Best,
Jason Polansky

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 3:57 PM Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff.
> Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have
> those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each
> problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you
> did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or
> is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or
> braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to
> get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much
> feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and
> efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very
> much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
> Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
>
>
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 20:07:11 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:07:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570D556F.60401@gmail.com>

HIMS is toting their Nemeth to print support with their Braille Sense 
products. It looks promising, though I never tried it myself since I had 
already graduated by the time the technology came out.

I used to make a note to the professors what symbols I would be using, 
but I'm sure there's tech available now that will help you make the 
translation easier. My notation method got me all the way through 
Calculus II, so if all else fails, coming up with your own system should 
work. :)

On 4/12/2016 3:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l wrote:
> I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff. Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
> Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
>
>
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 20:28:50 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 20:28:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <570D556F.60401@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
	<570D556F.60401@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAHz73n=MzcBYsCdZxC8kqRkdZB0-A-TTpb+3rKjh+sQx+2qoA@mail.gmail.com>

The BrailleEdge is also a Hims product, but I'm not sure if it has nemeth
input or not. Open a blank document and press backspace with n, and see
what happens. I can do some research for you.

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 4:16 PM Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> HIMS is toting their Nemeth to print support with their Braille Sense
> products. It looks promising, though I never tried it myself since I had
> already graduated by the time the technology came out.
>
> I used to make a note to the professors what symbols I would be using,
> but I'm sure there's tech available now that will help you make the
> translation easier. My notation method got me all the way through
> Calculus II, so if all else fails, coming up with your own system should
> work. :)
>
> On 4/12/2016 3:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l wrote:
> > I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff.
> Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have
> those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each
> problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you
> did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or
> is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or
> braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to
> get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much
> feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and
> efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very
> much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
> > Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
> >
> >
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 20:47:42 2016
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:47:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
In-Reply-To: <570D36C9.6050708@gmail.com>
References: <570d1bb4.c6e38c0a.6b469.fffffa3c@mx.google.com>
	<570D36C9.6050708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJzrv221mjoAR3j_ergXWejRi4fi3WXh3ag+ky2LsT9NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

According to Jernigan, we would only find that we are first class
citizens when we are anonymous in society.  I can look up the speech
if any of you are interested.

I am prepared to tell you that we are not anonymous as blind people,
but I am not yet able to say that society is against us and leave it
at that.  A lack of
education leads the public to treat us less than respectfully upon
occasion.  But let's take a moment to consider how those
attitudes arose.  Misunderstanding, lack of education certainly, but I
believe they also come from a fear of the unknown.  And don't we share
that very fear when we encounter someone who is different from
ourselves?

After all, we're not the only ones who are not anonymous in society.
Jernigan's definition may not even be accurate in explaining why blind
people could be considered second class citizens.  I believe that
unfortunately for Mr. Jernigan, blind people will never be anonymous.
My dog and I will always receive open stares from the public, whether
or not I see them.  You and I will stil be second guessed upon
occasion about taking on some risk or challenge because we are blind,
and you know, it could be harder for us.

We can't blend into a crowd or disappear at a big university.  But
maybe we can show our sighted peers the normalcy of blindness.  Part
of my job is performing technology demonstrations.  When I present on
Jaws, I focus in on my everyday use of a screen reader.  To the
sighted observer, the screen reader is an alien voice that reads
impossibly fast and never speaks the part of the screen where the
mouse is pointing; however, to us the screen reader equals how we use
the computer.  By the end of my presentations, they usually
understand.  It's a beautiful process.

One more thing...  Last week at my university there was an
accessibility fair.  A chapter member and I sat outside and Brailled
names.  I had my Braille Note and iPhone at the ready to show people
how I could use the Bluetooth to read and write texts.  One of my
colleagues came up to get her name Brailled, but we spent most of the
time chatting because she had already seen Braille and my chatty tech.
This stuff was familiar to her.

So...  For what it's worth, I don't believe that we are always second
class citizens.  We cannot expect to be treated as though we are, and
that is part of our trap.  Enough people jump at us before thinking
and allow their miseducation to guide them when interacting with us,
and we react to that by expecting these attitudes.  Do we sometimes
feel like second class citizens?  Yes, undoubtedly we all have felt
that way.  But does that mean we should accept that status?  No, not
for a second.  We may not be anonymous, but we are most certainly
human beings, messy and complicated like everyone else.  And our goal
shouldn't be to disappear but to carve out our place as a unique, yet
normal, demographic of society.

Just some thoughts...  :)


On 4/12/16, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point
> eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves.
> Many of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is
> wrong with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could
> be ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the
> world is.
>
> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is
> very low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be
> ready to jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a
> point. If we sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will
> never get anywhere. Just because we have to work a little harder than
> our sighted counterparts does not mean we are second-class citizens; it
> only means we have an avenue for achieving equality by working harder,
> so we must take it.
>
> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without
>> putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.
>> The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer
>> we get to this status.
>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this
>> country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let
>> them define us.
>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of
>> society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than
>> them but this has been the case throughout history.
>> God Bless,
>> Christina
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>
>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to
>> jump
>> through more hoops to prove anything.
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>
>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
>> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 21:16:09 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 16:16:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65CF93C2-97D0-4655-9608-0EA00506A299@gmail.com>

I usually will take a picture of the page using K and FB reader or Prismo, and then send it to my email so that I can use the OCR feature with Jaws.  I will then type out my answers with Microsoft Word, going acrosse the page when showing my work. I am doing practical Math one through The Hadley Institute for the blind, so if you need help I can help you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff. Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
> Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
> 
> 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 21:21:20 2016
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:21:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
In-Reply-To: <65CF93C2-97D0-4655-9608-0EA00506A299@gmail.com>
References: <D3DD108F-B9DB-46A4-8B10-78FAEA7A885C@gmail.com>
	<65CF93C2-97D0-4655-9608-0EA00506A299@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15627C69-9D4D-4600-B040-B58A4D6E92C0@gmail.com>

This is a good option for something like Remedio math, but it might be more difficult for algebra… I know that JFW has implemented math ML. I would honestly recommend getting a tutor to help you do the Conversion from braille to print…

Hope Paulos

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I usually will take a picture of the page using K and FB reader or Prismo, and then send it to my email so that I can use the OCR feature with Jaws.  I will then type out my answers with Microsoft Word, going acrosse the page when showing my work. I am doing practical Math one through The Hadley Institute for the blind, so if you need help I can help you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial stuff. Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in springtime. anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is there a computer program that works with either a screen reader or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done for college-level math courses. thanks very much in advance for your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
>> Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President
>> 
>> 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Tue Apr 12 21:26:09 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:26:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
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For Statistics I had a scribe/reader read me all of the questions 
and write down the answers.
It took a whole year but I finished the class.

God Bless,
Christina

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 17:21:20 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college

This is a good option for something like Remedio math, but it 
might be more difficult for algebra… I know that JFW has 
implemented math ML.  I would honestly recommend getting a tutor 
to help you do the Conversion from braille to print…

Hope Paulos

 On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Angela via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I usually will take a picture of the page using K and FB reader 
or Prismo, and then send it to my email so that I can use the OCR 
feature with Jaws.  I will then type out my answers with 
Microsoft Word, going acrosse the page when showing my work.  I 
am doing practical Math one through The Hadley Institute for the 
blind, so if you need help I can help you.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 12, 2016, at 2:56 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I am starting math next semester--nothing too bad, just remedial 
stuff.  Hoping to continue on to elementary algebra in 
springtime.  anyway, how have those of you who are totally blind 
gone about getting the work for each problem transcribed from 
Braille to print so professors can see what you did to come to 
the conclusion you drew? did you have help from a scribe, or is 
there a computer program that works with either a screen reader 
or braille display that can aid me in this process? I know math 
is going to get more and more challenging as I go forward, so I'm 
trying to get as much feedback and as many suggestions as 
possible on how to independently and efficiently get my work done 
for college-level math courses.  thanks very much in advance for 
your thoughts and I look forward to reading them.
 Joanne Michelle Stark WABS Vice President


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From juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 22:04:08 2016
From: juanitaherrera1991 at gmail.com (Juanita Herrera)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:04:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access
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I am currently taking three online courses requiring the use of blackboard, and during the winter session, I took one online course requiring the use of blackboard. In all classes I have been able to create a thread and respond to other people's threads. My understanding is that each school has purchased their own version of blackboard and can manipulate it individually. I have worked extensively with my college to make blackboard accessible and they have been able to make some changes. I could be wrong, but I believe once a college purchases the rights to blackboard, they can manipulate it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2016, at 11:41 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Some of you in one of the recent threads stated that blackboard is accessible.
> 
> Here is my experience.
> I strongly disagree that it is accessible. I use jaws 16 and windows 7.
> The send email feature is not accessible as you cannot select group members with the keyboard.
> I  have had problems using the discussion board. In the past, I was able to create messages and reply to them.
> I used to be able to click on create thread to make a new message.
> 
> Also, downloading files is harder, but not impossible. In the past, I could click on the links to download the files and then a dialogue box appeared and I simply tabbed to save file. But not anymore. I have to use the notification toolbar and tab to save as.
> 
> Oh, and there is something called blackboard collaborate and I’m not sure if that is accessible.
> I need to do online work with my group for a project and assignments, so I hope blackboard has a way to do immediate communication via something like instant message or talking; I mean actually talking like during a skype call.
> So far the group used the discussion board and I emailed my thoughts although I had sighted help with that.
> I can read the discussions but not create threads.
> 
> Has anyone had these problems, or if not, how can you use the discussion board?
> 
> Ashley
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 22:59:30 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:59:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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I would suggest that first class citizenship is more elusive   than we give it credit. if one might define first class citizenship as being treated like everyone else all of the time in all situations than I think we might all agree that hardly anyone is treated as such.
 If someone was to treat me not as a blind person but as a African American male, then maybe I might not face discrimination and prejudice based upon blindness but I might  face it based upon my  ethnicity.
 I may never be treated as a person who’s blindness nor heritage are truly considered as pieces of the entirety of me, but what then? I wonder if then there is truly such a thing as first class  citizenship? 
 
 Then again, is it a matter of carving out our  own place in society by simply  living our lives  and  doing what we can do to succeed?  Even then will we be recognized as  beautifully complicated and fallible people? Or will we    always be considered the  “blind” person?  , the people who’s humanity is far too often obscured by the odd technology we use, and the  cane or dog we travel with??
 how many of our friends or family would  introduce or describe us  and without thinking elect  to use the word”blind as  a part of that sentence?  "      ?
 
 Julie  brought an element of philosophy into  this discussion, and I think it important to bring a little  more in. 
 I think that it is clear we all face the limiting attitudes and low expectations that are a part of being blind and working/living with people who aren’t blind. 
 
  If there is a such  thing as first class citizenship and we as blind people are going to realize it, I think that it’s on all of us to take an active role in some form or fashion in  moving us collectively  towards this place which we feel we have the right to occupy.  For me,  I believe that the National fEderation of the Blind is  that  vehicle that gets us there and we as the blind people who everyday see what  we see and know what we know have the power  to fuel that     vehicle.
  
 Many people might find reason to stop us from  achieving the goals we have for ourselves, both individually and collectively., These same people will ultimately  in some way, shape or form try to  place their fears and ignorance on us.
 The fact is that their success in doing so depends on how much we will allow their beliefs to get in the way of the bright future we say we want. If we are willing to turn  barriers that keep us out into door that we confidently walk through, then we will see more and more of  those who doubted us come to understand what we have known all along of the truth about blindness.

 If we take the time out of our busy schedules to educate, encourage and care for each other as we  explore what blindness and living the life we want means to each of us individually, then we help the whole of our blind population move forward.  After all, it is not enough that just some of us or even a great many of us  gain a truly positive philosophy of blindness and foundation  of blindness skills.  We all need to have an access to a knowledge  and understanding of these things.  Then maybe we then can possess  the   full rights and full responsibilities that come with the   first class    citizenship status we want.           
     
            
> On Apr 12, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> According to Jernigan, we would only find that we are first class
> citizens when we are anonymous in society.  I can look up the speech
> if any of you are interested.
> 
> I am prepared to tell you that we are not anonymous as blind people,
> but I am not yet able to say that society is against us and leave it
> at that.  A lack of
> education leads the public to treat us less than respectfully upon
> occasion.  But let's take a moment to consider how those
> attitudes arose.  Misunderstanding, lack of education certainly, but I
> believe they also come from a fear of the unknown.  And don't we share
> that very fear when we encounter someone who is different from
> ourselves?
> 
> After all, we're not the only ones who are not anonymous in society.
> Jernigan's definition may not even be accurate in explaining why blind
> people could be considered second class citizens.  I believe that
> unfortunately for Mr. Jernigan, blind people will never be anonymous.
> My dog and I will always receive open stares from the public, whether
> or not I see them.  You and I will stil be second guessed upon
> occasion about taking on some risk or challenge because we are blind,
> and you know, it could be harder for us.
> 
> We can't blend into a crowd or disappear at a big university. But
> maybe we can show our sighted peers the normalcy of blindness.  Part
> of my job is performing technology demonstrations.  When I present on
> Jaws, I focus in on my everyday use of a screen reader.  To the
> sighted observer, the screen reader is an alien voice that reads
> impossibly fast and never speaks the part of the screen where the
> mouse is pointing; however, to us the screen reader equals how we use
> the computer.  By the end of my presentations, they usually
> understand.  It's a beautiful process.
> 
> One more thing...  Last week at my university there was an
> accessibility fair.  A chapter member and I sat outside and Brailled
> names.  I had my Braille Note and iPhone at the ready to show people
> how I could use the Bluetooth to read and write texts.  One of my
> colleagues came up to get her name Brailled, but we spent most of the
> time chatting because she had already seen Braille and my chatty tech.
> This stuff was familiar to her.
> 
> So...  For what it's worth, I don't believe that we are always second
> class citizens.  We cannot expect to be treated as though we are, and
> that is part of our trap.  Enough people jump at us before thinking
> and allow their miseducation to guide them when interacting with us,
> and we react to that by expecting these attitudes.  Do we sometimes
> feel like second class citizens?  Yes, undoubtedly we all have felt
> that way.  But does that mean we should accept that status? No, not
> for a second.  We may not be anonymous, but we are most certainly
> human beings, messy and complicated like everyone else.  And our goal
> shouldn't be to disappear but to carve out our place as a unique, yet
> normal, demographic of society.
> 
> Just some thoughts...  :)
> 
> 
> On 4/12/16, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> This Email is very well written; you articulated an important point
>> eloquently. We cannot expect change if we refuse to change ourselves.
>> Many of us tend to find excuses or start blaming the system for what is
>> wrong with our respective situations, when in reality the problem could
>> be ourselves for not trying hard enough or whining about how unfair the
>> world is.
>> 
>> We have to jump through hoops because society's expectations of us is
>> very low. There is no changing this fact. As blind people we have to be
>> ready to jump through whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove a
>> point. If we sit back and whine about how things ought to be, we will
>> never get anywhere. Just because we have to work a little harder than
>> our sighted counterparts does not mean we are second-class citizens; it
>> only means we have an avenue for achieving equality by working harder,
>> so we must take it.
>> 
>> On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote:
>>> No group in society has every achieved the equality they have without
>>> putting in a lot of effort themselves.
>>> As a population we need to show the world that we can be successful.
>>> The more of us that go against perceptions of our abilities the closer
>>> we get to this status.
>>> Personally, I believe we do have equal access as others in this
>>> country.  Yes, we have barriers but we can choose to face them or let
>>> them define us.
>>> We have to meet each other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of
>>> society to do all of the work.  At first we may have to do more than
>>> them but this has been the case throughout history.
>>> God Bless,
>>> Christina
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 08:51:46 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> How do we secure this  level of citizenship for ourselves?
>>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The same as our counterparts who are nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to
>>> jump
>>> through more hoops to prove anything.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Darian Smith <dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
>>> 
>>> Do you believe  that there is more then a right that we should demand? Do
>>> you think there is a responsibility we have as well?
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Julie A. McGinnity
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 01:10:26 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 18:10:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] apple id two step verification
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Hello, I'm looking into turning on two-step verification.  If 
someone tries to enter the recovery key too many times, will my 
apple id be locked permanently? I'm just asking,  if someone 
tries to reset your password and guesses the recovery key?


From philso1003 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 06:18:09 2016
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 02:18:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] PC laptop recommendation needed
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Hey guys,

My friend is looking to buy a laptop and he'd like to have your
recommendation. What do you use and what do you recommend?
He wants a PC laptop, to run Windows 7, JAWS, and do basic things like
Microsoft Word, Excel, Outlook and browse the Internet. And obviously
he would want a laptop that has all the important keys for a blind
user, like Application key, Insert key, etc.

Thanks guys!

Phil


From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Apr 13 06:38:10 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 23:38:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] First Class Citizenship
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Good morning, Darian,

That is how first class citizenship looks to me. 
I know what I'm about, the people who know me 
know what I'm about. I just take it one day at a 
time, not letting other voices move me too much. That's all ya gotta do.

2016, Darian Smith via nabs-l wrote:
>I would suggest that first class citizenship is 
>more elusive   than we give it credit. if one 
>might define first class citizenship as being 
>treated like everyone else all of the time in 
>all situations than I think we might all agree 
>that hardly anyone is treated as such. If 
>someone was to treat me not as a blind person 
>but as a African American male, then maybe I 
>might not face discrimination and prejudice 
>based upon blindness but I might  face it based 
>upon my  ethnicity. I may never be treated as a 
>person who’s blindness nor heritage are truly 
>considered as pieces of the entirety of me, but 
>what then? I wonder if then there is truly such 
>a thing as first class  citizenship? Then again, 
>is it a matter of carving out our  own place in 
>society by simply  living our lives  and  doing 
>what we can do to succeed?  Even then will we be 
>recognized as  beautifully complicated and 
>fallible people? Or will we    always be 
>considered the  “blind” person?  , the 
>people who’s humanity is far too often 
>obscured by the odd technology we use, and 
>the  cane or dog we travel with?? how many of 
>our friends or family would  introduce or 
>describe us  and without thinking elect  to use 
>the word”blind as  a part of that 
>sentence?  "      ? Julie  brought an element of 
>philosophy into  this discussion, and I think it 
>important to bring a little  more in. I think 
>that it is clear we all face the limiting 
>attitudes and low expectations that are a part 
>of being blind and working/living with people 
>who aren’t blind.   If there is a such  thing 
>as first class citizenship and we as blind 
>people are going to realize it, I think that 
>it’s on all of us to take an active role in 
>some form or fashion in  moving us 
>collectively  towards this place which we feel 
>we have the right to occupy.  For me,  I believe 
>that the National fEderation of the Blind 
>is  that  vehicle that gets us there and we as 
>the blind people who everyday see what  we see 
>and know what we know have the power  to fuel 
>that     vehicle.   Many people might find 
>reason to stop us from  achieving the goals we 
>have for ourselves, both individually and 
>collectively., These same people will 
>ultimately  in some way, shape or form try 
>to  place their fears and ignorance on us. The 
>fact is that their success in doing so depends 
>on how much we will allow their beliefs to get 
>in the way of the bright future we say we want. 
>If we are willing to turn  barriers that keep us 
>out into door that we confidently walk through, 
>then we will see more and more of  those who 
>doubted us come to understand what we have known 
>all along of the truth about blindness. If we 
>take the time out of our busy schedules to 
>educate, encourage and care for each other as 
>we  explore what blindness and living the life 
>we want means to each of us individually, then 
>we help the whole of our blind population move 
>forward.  After all, it is not enough that just 
>some of us or even a great many of us  gain a 
>truly positive philosophy of blindness and 
>foundation  of blindness skills.  We all need to 
>have an access to a knowledge  and understanding 
>of these things.  Then maybe we then can 
>possess  the   full rights and full 
>responsibilities that come with the   first 
>class    citizenship status we 
>want.                            > On Apr 12, 
>2016, at 1:47 PM, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > 
>According to Jernigan, we would only find that 
>we are first class > citizens when we are 
>anonymous in society.  I can look up the 
>speech > if any of you are interested. > > I am 
>prepared to tell you that we are not anonymous 
>as blind people, > but I am not yet able to say 
>that society is against us and leave it > at 
>that.  A lack of > education leads the public to 
>treat us less than respectfully upon > 
>occasion.  But let's take a moment to consider 
>how those > attitudes arose.  Misunderstanding, 
>lack of education certainly, but I > believe 
>they also come from a fear of the unknown.  And 
>don't we share > that very fear when we 
>encounter someone who is different from > 
>ourselves? > > After all, we're not the only 
>ones who are not anonymous in society. > 
>Jernigan's definition may not even be accurate 
>in explaining why blind > people could be 
>considered second class citizens.  I believe 
>that > unfortunately for Mr. Jernigan, blind 
>people will never be anonymous. > My dog and I 
>will always receive open stares from the public, 
>whether > or not I see them.  You and I will 
>stil be second guessed upon > occasion about 
>taking on some risk or challenge because we are 
>blind, > and you know, it could be harder for 
>us. > > We can't blend into a crowd or disappear 
>at a big university. But > maybe we can show our 
>sighted peers the normalcy of blindness.  Part > 
>of my job is performing technology 
>demonstrations.  When I present on > Jaws, I 
>focus in on my everyday use of a screen 
>reader.  To the > sighted observer, the screen 
>reader is an alien voice that reads > impossibly 
>fast and never speaks the part of the screen 
>where the > mouse is pointing; however, to us 
>the screen reader equals how we use > the 
>computer.  By the end of my presentations, they 
>usually > understand.  It's a beautiful 
>process. > > One more thing...  Last week at my 
>university there was an > accessibility fair.  A 
>chapter member and I sat outside and Brailled > 
>names.  I had my Braille Note and iPhone at the 
>ready to show people > how I could use the 
>Bluetooth to read and write texts.  One of my > 
>colleagues came up to get her name Brailled, but 
>we spent most of the > time chatting because she 
>had already seen Braille and my chatty tech. > 
>This stuff was familiar to her. > > So...  For 
>what it's worth, I don't believe that we are 
>always second > class citizens.  We cannot 
>expect to be treated as though we are, and > 
>that is part of our trap.  Enough people jump at 
>us before thinking > and allow their 
>miseducation to guide them when interacting with 
>us, > and we react to that by expecting these 
>attitudes.  Do we sometimes > feel like second 
>class citizens?  Yes, undoubtedly we all have 
>felt > that way.  But does that mean we should 
>accept that status? No, not > for a second.  We 
>may not be anonymous, but we are most 
>certainly > human beings, messy and complicated 
>like everyone else.  And our goal > shouldn't be 
>to disappear but to carve out our place as a 
>unique, yet > normal, demographic of 
>society. > > Just some thoughts...  :) > > > On 
>4/12/16, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> 
>wrote: >> This Email is very well written; you 
>articulated an important point >> eloquently. We 
>cannot expect change if we refuse to change 
>ourselves. >> Many of us tend to find excuses or 
>start blaming the system for what is >> wrong 
>with our respective situations, when in reality 
>the problem could >> be ourselves for not trying 
>hard enough or whining about how unfair the >> 
>world is. >> >> We have to jump through hoops 
>because society's expectations of us is >> very 
>low. There is no changing this fact. As blind 
>people we have to be >> ready to jump through 
>whatever hoops we need to so that we may prove 
>a >> point. If we sit back and whine about how 
>things ought to be, we will >> never get 
>anywhere. Just because we have to work a little 
>harder than >> our sighted counterparts does not 
>mean we are second-class citizens; it >> only 
>means we have an avenue for achieving equality 
>by working harder, >> so we must take it. >> >> 
>On 4/12/2016 12:00 PM, Christina Moore via 
>nabs-l wrote: >>> No group in society has every 
>achieved the equality they have without >>> 
>putting in a lot of effort themselves. >>> As a 
>population we need to show the world that we can 
>be successful. >>> The more of us that go 
>against perceptions of our abilities the 
>closer >>> we get to this status. >>> 
>Personally, I believe we do have equal access as 
>others in this >>> country.  Yes, we have 
>barriers but we can choose to face them or 
>let >>> them define us. >>> We have to meet each 
>other halfway.  We cannot expect the rest of >>> 
>society to do all of the work.  At first we may 
>have to do more than >>> them but this has been 
>the case throughout history. >>> God Bless, >>> 
>Christina >>> >>> ----- Original Message 
>----- >>> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> To: National Association 
>of Blind Students mailing list >>> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Tue, 12 Apr 
>2016 08:51:46 -0700 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>First Class Citizenship >>> >>> How do we secure 
>this  level of citizenship for ourselves? >>> On 
>Apr 12, 2016, at 5:37 AM, justin williams via 
>nabs-l >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> >>> 
>The same as our counterparts who are 
>nondisabled.  I shouldn't half to >>> jump >>> 
>through more hoops to prove anything. >>> 
>Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> 
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>On Behalf Of Darian Smith >>> via nabs-l >>> 
>Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 6:21 PM >>> To: 
>National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>list >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Darian Smith 
><dsmithnfb at gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>First Class Citizenship >>> >>> Do you 
>believe  that there is more then a right that we 
>should demand? Do >>> you think there is a 
>responsibility we have as well? >>> 
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> >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, 
>National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts 
>Division, > Second Vice President, National 
>Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we 
>walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 14:20:31 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:20:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] doing math homework in college
Message-ID: <570e55b8.0392810a.418ea.ffffbf1c@mx.google.com>

I took two economics classes when I was getting my Associate of 
Arts degree.  There was a lot of reading from the textbook.  
There were graphs on our exams but they were sent to the main 
campus of the college to be made into rais-line graphs using a 
special machine.


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 15:45:55 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:45:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
Message-ID: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>



Hi everyone,
I'm looking into buying a new PC laptop that is light, has good battery life and memory. Any suggestions?Amanda

From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 15:49:15 2016
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 10:49:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
References: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a801d1959c$09ba0dc0$0400a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1>

lenovo, toshiba, or dell. HP's aren't that great.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:45 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions


>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm looking into buying a new PC laptop that is light, has good battery 
> life and memory. Any suggestions?Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 15:58:01 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:58:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
In-Reply-To: <01a801d1959c$09ba0dc0$0400a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1>
References: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>
	<01a801d1959c$09ba0dc0$0400a8c0@LAPTOPVUA0SEL1>
Message-ID: <38D20B4C-E715-45EC-9BD3-9935CC2DB701@gmail.com>

What are the advantages of all three! Or disadvantages?

Amanda

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:49 AM, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> lenovo, toshiba, or dell. HP's aren't that great.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <cape.amanda at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:45 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm looking into buying a new PC laptop that is light, has good battery life and memory. Any suggestions?Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 16:20:12 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 11:20:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
In-Reply-To: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>
References: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4biD87zS3BGkAEoB59iU-M_NAtYTT2ZViK=xkQYePFAg5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Get a Macbook Pro.

On 4/13/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> I'm looking into buying a new PC laptop that is light, has good battery life
> and memory. Any suggestions?Amanda
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From tonysohl at samobile.net  Wed Apr 13 16:26:16 2016
From: tonysohl at samobile.net (Tony Sohl)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:26:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] K-NFB Reader
Message-ID: <17ba133b.b247.4ee4.a143.83ea5c566a5b@samobile.net>

Hi we have a K-nfb reader scanner and it's the hand held unit with the 
smaller PDA attached.

The manual's online and it's in excellent condition! It has the latest 
software on it and it has all it's cables,batteries camera original sd 
card and earphones included all in a very nice carrying case.

The case has a strap that can either be worn on the shoulder or as a 
crosssbody. Ther are several compartments for storri8ng the SD card 
inside the lid that flips up and it velcoros together to close it. The 
unit has both elequence and the jennifer voice from newonce.

There is a help key the center key is the help key and the arrowos to 
navigate around the device are in a cursor cross and it has up and down 
arrows and again it's in excellent condition!

We're asking $300 to $500 or best offer and this will include shipping. 
If intristed, email us my email is: tonysohl at samobile.net or my wife's 
is: tinabir80 at gmail.com Thank you!


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 16:46:07 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:46:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New pic laotop suggestions
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4biD87zS3BGkAEoB59iU-M_NAtYTT2ZViK=xkQYePFAg5Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <480ABC6F-CF60-4BD4-A736-2CC60DCDC5A7@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4biD87zS3BGkAEoB59iU-M_NAtYTT2ZViK=xkQYePFAg5Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017919AF-2CBD-4F9E-97D4-BB7CC4D1FF65@gmail.com>

I have a Mac now but want to get a pic again. I use my max with Windows.

Amanda

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 12:20 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Get a Macbook Pro.
> 
>> On 4/13/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I'm looking into buying a new PC laptop that is light, has good battery life
>> and memory. Any suggestions?Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 16:46:14 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 12:46:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] K-NFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <17ba133b.b247.4ee4.a143.83ea5c566a5b@samobile.net>
References: <17ba133b.b247.4ee4.a143.83ea5c566a5b@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fUvqQGBurdtP8jarEit9ZBrFr1ZE9QTz49XLhne5TXhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tony,
Although I somewhat appreciate that you are sharing accessibility
devices on sale on this list, I need to tell that it is somewhat
disturbing to me that you only use this list for commercial purposes
and I don’t see any other contribution from you to any other
discussions.
FYI


2016-04-13 12:26 GMT-04:00, Tony Sohl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi we have a K-nfb reader scanner and it's the hand held unit with the
> smaller PDA attached.
>
> The manual's online and it's in excellent condition! It has the latest
> software on it and it has all it's cables,batteries camera original sd
> card and earphones included all in a very nice carrying case.
>
> The case has a strap that can either be worn on the shoulder or as a
> crosssbody. Ther are several compartments for storri8ng the SD card
> inside the lid that flips up and it velcoros together to close it. The
> unit has both elequence and the jennifer voice from newonce.
>
> There is a help key the center key is the help key and the arrowos to
> navigate around the device are in a cursor cross and it has up and down
> arrows and again it's in excellent condition!
>
> We're asking $300 to $500 or best offer and this will include shipping.
> If intristed, email us my email is: tonysohl at samobile.net or my wife's
> is: tinabir80 at gmail.com Thank you!
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Wed Apr 13 21:44:49 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:44:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Experiment Help
Message-ID: <0EED4B8F-E7A2-47FA-A608-6DBBE0A63271@houghton.edu>

Hi,

Just wondering, has anyone ran their own experiments? I need a few tips in regards to how to do this.
First, we have consent forms, two conditions we are measuring (so separate packets for each), slips participants fill out as a sort of receipt that they in deed participated and a packet for a reinforcement task. How do I tell the difference between all of these files when I go to pick them up for the experiment.
Second, I am to run the experiment myself. As someone without sight, I was thinking it would be best for me to ask participants to sit in the front row and fill other rows of desks as needed (so if I have three people in the front row, I can easily locate them and give them the different materials). Is this a good idea.
I have to sign their consent forms. Is it appropriate for me to ask them where the signature line is?
Lastly, how do I know when they are finished with a packet so that I can move on to the next part of the experiment?
I thought about having them bring me the packet after it is filled out and when they give me that packet I would have them go back to their desk and then once I collected all of the first packets, give them the second packet.
I hope these are not silly questions and thanks for any feedback.
Christina

From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 22:03:41 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:03:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Experiment Help
In-Reply-To: <0EED4B8F-E7A2-47FA-A608-6DBBE0A63271@houghton.edu>
References: <0EED4B8F-E7A2-47FA-A608-6DBBE0A63271@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <67645001-8ABF-44D3-A8AC-85B712254289@gmail.com>

I think having them complete the first packet before giving them the second packet is a good idea. I also do not think that it would be inappropriate for you to ask them where the signature line is, considering that you are blind.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Just wondering, has anyone ran their own experiments? I need a few tips in regards to how to do this.
> First, we have consent forms, two conditions we are measuring (so separate packets for each), slips participants fill out as a sort of receipt that they in deed participated and a packet for a reinforcement task. How do I tell the difference between all of these files when I go to pick them up for the experiment.
> Second, I am to run the experiment myself. As someone without sight, I was thinking it would be best for me to ask participants to sit in the front row and fill other rows of desks as needed (so if I have three people in the front row, I can easily locate them and give them the different materials). Is this a good idea.
> I have to sign their consent forms. Is it appropriate for me to ask them where the signature line is?
> Lastly, how do I know when they are finished with a packet so that I can move on to the next part of the experiment?
> I thought about having them bring me the packet after it is filled out and when they give me that packet I would have them go back to their desk and then once I collected all of the first packets, give them the second packet.
> I hope these are not silly questions and thanks for any feedback.
> Christina
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 22:23:07 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 15:23:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Experiment Help
In-Reply-To: <67645001-8ABF-44D3-A8AC-85B712254289@gmail.com>
References: <0EED4B8F-E7A2-47FA-A608-6DBBE0A63271@houghton.edu>
	<67645001-8ABF-44D3-A8AC-85B712254289@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCcuK7dpEMc8pwNauoE_ibsi1ZvseDqOo5CTrk3yrJb=w@mail.gmail.com>

I've run a few psychology experiments by myself with paper materials,
and I think your techniques are right on. If you have stacks of
materials, and you use Braille, you could slip a Braille index card
into the top of each stack to label what's in it. You could also have
the participants come up one by one to pick up their packets and then
alternate which stack you hand out from so the conditions are
randomized.
If you have access to a reader, you could sign all the consent forms
at the end with your reader's help. That would save some time during
the experiment.
HTH, Arielle

On 4/13/16, Angela  via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think having them complete the first packet before giving them the second
> packet is a good idea. I also do not think that it would be inappropriate
> for you to ask them where the signature line is, considering that you are
> blind.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 13, 2016, at 4:44 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just wondering, has anyone ran their own experiments? I need a few tips in
>> regards to how to do this.
>> First, we have consent forms, two conditions we are measuring (so separate
>> packets for each), slips participants fill out as a sort of receipt that
>> they in deed participated and a packet for a reinforcement task. How do I
>> tell the difference between all of these files when I go to pick them up
>> for the experiment.
>> Second, I am to run the experiment myself. As someone without sight, I was
>> thinking it would be best for me to ask participants to sit in the front
>> row and fill other rows of desks as needed (so if I have three people in
>> the front row, I can easily locate them and give them the different
>> materials). Is this a good idea.
>> I have to sign their consent forms. Is it appropriate for me to ask them
>> where the signature line is?
>> Lastly, how do I know when they are finished with a packet so that I can
>> move on to the next part of the experiment?
>> I thought about having them bring me the packet after it is filled out and
>> when they give me that packet I would have them go back to their desk and
>> then once I collected all of the first packets, give them the second
>> packet.
>> I hope these are not silly questions and thanks for any feedback.
>> Christina
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 13 22:40:18 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 17:40:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Students from Indiana
Message-ID: <CABfRTqK5A66uVuEsMcce4tyGXac6CqH=3pZpcjWg_CzP7FL20A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I'm in the process of attaining my High School Diploma from The Hadley
Institute for the Blind and Visually impaired, and I'm considering
attending Indiana University online for my General Studies Bachelors
Degree.  My question is, has anyone taken any classes from IU?  If so,
how is their accessibility with their on-line programs?   Do you know
if they use blackboard or other software?


From nfbv-fairfax at nfbnet.org  Wed Apr 13 23:32:07 2016
From: nfbv-fairfax at nfbnet.org (John Bailey via NFBV-Fairfax)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 18:32:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbv-fairfax] Obama to forgive the student debt of
 permanently disabled people - The Washington Post
Message-ID: <auto-000054678597@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Please be sure to share this with as many blind 
college students and recent graduates as you can!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2016/04/12/obama-to-forgive-the-student-debt-of-permanently-disabled-people/



Obama to forgive the student debt of permanently disabled people

[]


(istock)

The Obama administration plans to forgive $7.7 
billion in federal student loans held by nearly 
400,000 permanently disabled Americans.

By law, anyone with a severe disability is 
eligible to have the government discharge their 
federal student loans. The administration took 
steps four years ago to make the process easier 
by letting people who are totally and permanently 
disabled use their Social Security designation to 
apply for a discharge, but few took advantage. 
The Department of Education is now taking it upon 
itself to identify eligible borrowers and guide 
them through the steps to discharge their loans.

“Too many eligible borrowers were falling 
through the cracks, unaware they were eligible 
for relief,” said Education Under Secretary Ted 
Mitchell in a statement. “Americans with 
disabilities have a right to student loan relief. 
And we need to make it easier, not harder, for 
them to receive the benefits they are due.”

[Sidelined by disability and saddled with student loans]

Working with the Social Security Administration, 
the department has been identifying borrowers 
receiving disability payments and have the 
specific designation of “Medical Improvement 
Not Expected,” which indicates they are 
eligible for the discharge. The agencies found 
387,000 matches in its first review. About 
179,000 of those people are currently in default 
on their loans, putting them at risk of losing 
their tax refunds and having their Social Security benefits garnished.

“The creation of the matching program is a 
great first step, but the administration needs to 
go further to ensure that no borrower who has a 
right to student loan relief has their benefits 
taken,” said Persis Yu, the National Consumer 
Law Center’s student loan borrower assistance 
project director. “Borrowers receiving SSDI 
need these payments to survive.”

Grade Point newsletter

News and issues affecting higher education.

Starting next week, borrowers identified in the 
match will receive a letter from the government 
explaining the steps needed to receive a 
discharge. They will not be required to submit 
documentation of their eligibility, unlike 
disabled borrowers who apply for the discharge on 
their own. Notification letters will be sent over 
a 16-week period, and followed up with a second letter after 120 days.

The letters will inform borrowers of the tax 
implication of the discharge, since the 
government has the right to tax the amount of money forgiven.

[Obama plans to make it easier to pay your student loans]


Rising student debt looms over parents and children

Play Video2:52

Many middle class families borrow to build their 
careers and send their children to college, and 
now struggle to pay back growing student loan 
debt. A new AP analysis shows it's a rising multi-generational problem. (AP)

Tuesday’s announcement is an outgrowth of 
President Obama’s Student Aid Bill of Rights, 
which directed federal agencies to overhaul the 
way Americans repay student loans.


Corbb, from my iPhone
(703) 309-4884
___________ 

From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 04:08:39 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (Joshua Lester)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:08:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Students from Indiana
In-Reply-To: <CABfRTqK5A66uVuEsMcce4tyGXac6CqH=3pZpcjWg_CzP7FL20A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABfRTqK5A66uVuEsMcce4tyGXac6CqH=3pZpcjWg_CzP7FL20A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8AF1E8E-3D70-49E2-9716-6D0E28FDA1CF@gmail.com>

Most colleges use blackboard. If you go on their website, you will be able to see if they still use it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Angela Roberts via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I'm in the process of attaining my High School Diploma from The Hadley
> Institute for the Blind and Visually impaired, and I'm considering
> attending Indiana University online for my General Studies Bachelors
> Degree.  My question is, has anyone taken any classes from IU?  If so,
> how is their accessibility with their on-line programs?   Do you know
> if they use blackboard or other software?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 08:26:53 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 03:26:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a Windows laptop for college
Message-ID: <570f5478.c7e20d0a.eef62.5ed4@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS friends,

     I am about to start college next fall, and I'm looking for a 
good Windows laptop to start school with. I want something that 
is small and fast and simple. Any6 laptop suggestions will be 
greatly appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie


From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 12:41:02 2016
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 07:41:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for a Windows laptop for college
In-Reply-To: <570f5478.c7e20d0a.eef62.5ed4@mx.google.com>
References: <570f5478.c7e20d0a.eef62.5ed4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EB68A744-8FD5-499C-8609-689C8E2590E1@gmail.com>

The HP stream is a great machine, under $200, your best bet would be talking to Professor Mendes at the Louisiana Center for the blind it though soph 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2016, at 3:26 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
>    I am about to start college next fall, and I'm looking for a good Windows laptop to start school with. I want something that is small and fast and simple. Any6 laptop suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 14 22:44:05 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:44:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel graphs
Message-ID: <CFA3C053-106D-4E7B-9C38-98D3F954545C@gmail.com>

Hey guys,
I said I was going to share this info with y'all about working with excel graphs using a screen reader  once I had a chance. I am late, but here it is.  This is info from Kevin, and this is using JAWS:
If you have already created the chart in a spreadsheet, then try pressing insert+alt+c and it should say something like "active chart selected". Then press insert+control+c and it should bring up a window with a description of the chart that you should be able to navigate with the arrow keys
You should then be able to go to the ribbon and see options for chart tools, format, etc.
I was able to change the title this way and add a trend line, 
To give the chart a title, label the axes, add a trend line, and put the equation and R squared value on the graph
 jaws doesn't read what you type when you label the title and axes. However, this should work: when you are in the chart window, go to the ribbon and go to the format tab, which should be just to the right of "design".
Then use the down arrow key to go to the different chart elements. If you hit enter on the "title" element and type the title (jaws does not speak what I type) and hit enter and then hit control+insert+c again to go back to window, the title should have changed
When you have multiple charts in the same spreadsheet, you can toggle between them by pressing alt+insert+c and then hitting tab before hitting control+insert+c. Again, jaws does not speak the name of the chart until hitting control+insert+c, which is annoying, but it works

That's what I have learned. Hopefully this is useful to someone.

Anna E Givens


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Apr 15 00:02:24 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:02:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Excel graphs
In-Reply-To: <CFA3C053-106D-4E7B-9C38-98D3F954545C@gmail.com>
References: <CFA3C053-106D-4E7B-9C38-98D3F954545C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2F0C954-696B-418D-AE70-B8A8DDC636B5@houghton.edu>

Thank you so much! :-)


God bless.--Christina

> On Apr 14, 2016, at 18:44, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> I said I was going to share this info with y'all about working with excel graphs using a screen reader  once I had a chance. I am late, but here it is.  This is info from Kevin, and this is using JAWS:
> If you have already created the chart in a spreadsheet, then try pressing insert+alt+c and it should say something like "active chart selected". Then press insert+control+c and it should bring up a window with a description of the chart that you should be able to navigate with the arrow keys
> You should then be able to go to the ribbon and see options for chart tools, format, etc.
> I was able to change the title this way and add a trend line, 
> To give the chart a title, label the axes, add a trend line, and put the equation and R squared value on the graph
> jaws doesn't read what you type when you label the title and axes. However, this should work: when you are in the chart window, go to the ribbon and go to the format tab, which should be just to the right of "design".
> Then use the down arrow key to go to the different chart elements. If you hit enter on the "title" element and type the title (jaws does not speak what I type) and hit enter and then hit control+insert+c again to go back to window, the title should have changed
> When you have multiple charts in the same spreadsheet, you can toggle between them by pressing alt+insert+c and then hitting tab before hitting control+insert+c. Again, jaws does not speak the name of the chart until hitting control+insert+c, which is annoying, but it works
> 
> That's what I have learned. Hopefully this is useful to someone.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
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From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 02:17:46 2016
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 21:17:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
Message-ID: <CAAxfxEDV4F9CUkrwwraG9dDPRziKKxkBY6W4bV4juteMtarwkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I’m presenting at our IL Spring seminar on college financing, and the one
puzzle piece I’m missing is expected college expenses specific to blind
students. I looked online, and searched NABS archives back to 12 months,
but I can’t find what I’m looking for.

       While I know some folks anticipate Voc. Rehab covering basically all
costs, I think it’s prudent for a blind student to budget what their
potential expenses are ahead of time, especially if you end up not having
things covered. I could give examples of my own college time (not to
mention friends who ended up paying out of pocket for things that other
students didn’t have to worry about), but I think my experience is not
going to cover important things many blind students encounter, so…



Could people here offer some examples of blindness-specific expenses they
encountered in college that should be budgeted for?


Thanks, so much.
-Glenn Moore III
State Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"

From munawarb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 06:40:02 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:40:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
In-Reply-To: <CAAxfxEDV4F9CUkrwwraG9dDPRziKKxkBY6W4bV4juteMtarwkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxfxEDV4F9CUkrwwraG9dDPRziKKxkBY6W4bV4juteMtarwkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKsr7s0+KKeGvdmhtOX-8Dncz7+E+rehEJMgj4_PUXdXRLqM0A@mail.gmail.com>

Sure. When I was in university I was sad to discover that VR will only
pay for a reader the equivalent credit hours of the course a week.
Naturally, for math and science courses I needed more than three hours
a week of a reader. The rest of the cost came out of my pocket.

I paid for four or five readers over the course of my university
studies. Had I not been receiving SSDI at the time, this would not
have been possible, because the Pel Grant was insufficient to cover
the expenses.

On 4/14/16, Glenn III via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I’m presenting at our IL Spring seminar on college financing, and the one
> puzzle piece I’m missing is expected college expenses specific to blind
> students. I looked online, and searched NABS archives back to 12 months,
> but I can’t find what I’m looking for.
>
>        While I know some folks anticipate Voc. Rehab covering basically all
> costs, I think it’s prudent for a blind student to budget what their
> potential expenses are ahead of time, especially if you end up not having
> things covered. I could give examples of my own college time (not to
> mention friends who ended up paying out of pocket for things that other
> students didn’t have to worry about), but I think my experience is not
> going to cover important things many blind students encounter, so…
>
>
>
> Could people here offer some examples of blindness-specific expenses they
> encountered in college that should be budgeted for?
>
>
> Thanks, so much.
> -Glenn Moore III
> State Secretary,
> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
> (find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
> nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Apr 15 11:21:41 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 07:21:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
Message-ID: <5710cef4.859e370a.6dc28.6aa3@mx.google.com>

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=20need.
I=20have=20had=20expenses=20related=20to=20the=20costs=20of=20having=20a=20=
service=20dog.

God=20Bless,
Christina

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Munawar=20Bijani=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2015=20Apr=202016=2002:40:02=20-0400
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20College=20Expenses=20that=20Blind=20Students=20=

Encounter.

Sure.=20=20When=20I=20was=20in=20university=20I=20was=20sad=20to=20discover=
=20that=20VR=20
will=20only
pay=20for=20a=20reader=20the=20equivalent=20credit=20hours=20of=20the=20cou=
rse=20a=20
week.
Naturally,=20for=20math=20and=20science=20courses=20I=20needed=20more=20tha=
n=20three=20
hours
a=20week=20of=20a=20reader.=20=20The=20rest=20of=20the=20cost=20came=20out=
=20of=20my=20pocket.

I=20paid=20for=20four=20or=20five=20readers=20over=20the=20course=20of=20my=
=20university
studies.=20=20Had=20I=20not=20been=20receiving=20SSDI=20at=20the=20time,=20=
this=20would=20
not
have=20been=20possible,=20because=20the=20Pel=20Grant=20was=20insufficient=
=20to=20
cover
the=20expenses.

On=204/14/16,=20Glenn=20III=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:
=20Hi=20all,

=20I=E2=80=99m=20presenting=20at=20our=20IL=20Spring=20seminar=20on=20colle=
ge=20financing,=20
and=20the=20one
=20puzzle=20piece=20I=E2=80=99m=20missing=20is=20expected=20college=20expen=
ses=20specific=20
to=20blind
=20students.=20=20I=20looked=20online,=20and=20searched=20NABS=20archives=20=
back=20to=20
12=20months,
=20but=20I=20can=E2=80=99t=20find=20what=20I=E2=80=99m=20looking=20for.

=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20While=20I=20know=20some=20folks=20anticipate=20Voc.=
=20=20Rehab=20covering=20
basically=20all
=20costs,=20I=20think=20it=E2=80=99s=20prudent=20for=20a=20blind=20student=
=20to=20budget=20what=20
their
=20potential=20expenses=20are=20ahead=20of=20time,=20especially=20if=20you=
=20end=20up=20
not=20having
=20things=20covered.=20=20I=20could=20give=20examples=20of=20my=20own=20col=
lege=20time=20
(not=20to
=20mention=20friends=20who=20ended=20up=20paying=20out=20of=20pocket=20for=
=20things=20
that=20other
=20students=20didn=E2=80=99t=20have=20to=20worry=20about),=20but=20I=20thin=
k=20my=20
experience=20is=20not
=20going=20to=20cover=20important=20things=20many=20blind=20students=20enco=
unter,=20
so=E2=80=A6



=20Could=20people=20here=20offer=20some=20examples=20of=20blindness-specifi=
c=20
expenses=20they
=20encountered=20in=20college=20that=20should=20be=20budgeted=20for?


=20Thanks,=20so=20much.
=20-Glenn=20Moore=20III
=20State=20Secretary,
=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Blind=20of=20Illinois
=20(find=20our=20calendar=20at=20nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=3D158)
=20nfb.org=20<http://www.nfb.org>=20=20=20"Live=20the=20Life=20You=20Want"
=20_______________________________________________
=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
=20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a=
ccount=20
info=20for
=20nabs-l:
=20
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gm
ail.com


_______________________________________________
nabs-l=20mailing=20list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
unt=20info=20
for=20nabs-l:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo
re16%40houghton.edu



From gera1027 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 11:55:28 2016
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:55:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
In-Reply-To: <CAKsr7s0+KKeGvdmhtOX-8Dncz7+E+rehEJMgj4_PUXdXRLqM0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxfxEDV4F9CUkrwwraG9dDPRziKKxkBY6W4bV4juteMtarwkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKsr7s0+KKeGvdmhtOX-8Dncz7+E+rehEJMgj4_PUXdXRLqM0A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A96149A1-E20D-41C6-9466-F52022758911@gmail.com>

Speaking from my university days, hecause Mexico doesn't have like in the States, Vlindmess services, one has to pay for technology one might need, because the concept of readers is nonexistant, family generally tape-recorded required reading thus one has to cover the cost of blank cassetes at least back in the late 90s/early 2000s when I was majoring in Psychology; how does one books too etc. Good luck in your presentation!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone 4S

> El 15/04/2016, a las 1:40 a.m., Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> escribió:
> 
> Sure. When I was in university I was sad to discover that VR will only
> pay for a reader the equivalent credit hours of the course a week.
> Naturally, for math and science courses I needed more than three hours
> a week of a reader. The rest of the cost came out of my pocket.
> 
> I paid for four or five readers over the course of my university
> studies. Had I not been receiving SSDI at the time, this would not
> have been possible, because the Pel Grant was insufficient to cover
> the expenses.
> 
>> On 4/14/16, Glenn III via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I’m presenting at our IL Spring seminar on college financing, and the one
>> puzzle piece I’m missing is expected college expenses specific to blind
>> students. I looked online, and searched NABS archives back to 12 months,
>> but I can’t find what I’m looking for.
>> 
>>       While I know some folks anticipate Voc. Rehab covering basically all
>> costs, I think it’s prudent for a blind student to budget what their
>> potential expenses are ahead of time, especially if you end up not having
>> things covered. I could give examples of my own college time (not to
>> mention friends who ended up paying out of pocket for things that other
>> students didn’t have to worry about), but I think my experience is not
>> going to cover important things many blind students encounter, so…
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Could people here offer some examples of blindness-specific expenses they
>> encountered in college that should be budgeted for?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, so much.
>> -Glenn Moore III
>> State Secretary,
>> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
>> (find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
>> nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/munawarb%40gmail.com
>> 
> 
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From gmoore3rd at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 16:10:36 2016
From: gmoore3rd at gmail.com (Glenn III)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 11:10:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
Message-ID: <CAAxfxEArtu0mLceFDQfnc63gweqOv+WP35ucj3zTdsjhX9mT3g@mail.gmail.com>

​​

Regarding Munawar; thanks, that’s a great example. I find it interesting,
they used the credit hours as the rationale for how many hours to pay for.
Most schools don’t explain what credit hours mean, so only using heuristics
(that is, inferring from experience), it doesn’t represent the time of
study, composing essays nor, of course, reading. The credit hours seems
only to represent the in-class lecture time that the professor provides
teaching service to students (usually 3 credit hours are Tuesday, Thursday
1.5 hour classes, M,W,F, 1hr 10 minutes, or one day per week 3 and a half
hours, with a half hour break; ie.: however you slice it, three hours a
week of face-time from the professor, but reading hours, studying hours
etc. are unrelated to credit hours.

It’s good to hear Christina’s school has a more realistic assessment of
equal access (as in equal time, after all, what student ever reads a couple
hundred weekly pages or required course text in 3 hours?). You may try to
appeal to the school with the logic of what credit hours typically
represent, and it may help to see if your local NFB affiliate has an
advocacy committee who may help you with that, if it’s a big issue for any
students here who encounter something similar.

Thanks for the example.



To Gerardo; that is a very different experience – though I know even in the
US, I’ve known some who (for whatever reasons) ended up having to take
similar measures for themselves. I would certainly mention in my
presentation that students studying abroad have to be aware that rules and
expectations will often be local.

Thanks for wishing me luck.
-Glenn Moore III
State Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"

From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 19:27:01 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 14:27:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help with computer problems!
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bgE8i5b8eg47s4WS9GnHg2F4A36cXvbFoHj1YLxkpi7Ow@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all.
One of my friends is having problems defraging her computer, and
opening folders efficiently.
She's using Windows 7 on a Del lap top.
She can't get the screen rotation to work either, to move it back to 0 degrees.
She's using NVDA's latest version.
Thanks

-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From munawarb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 19:49:49 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 15:49:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help with computer problems!
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bgE8i5b8eg47s4WS9GnHg2F4A36cXvbFoHj1YLxkpi7Ow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEpB4bgE8i5b8eg47s4WS9GnHg2F4A36cXvbFoHj1YLxkpi7Ow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571145DD.6060602@gmail.com>

What do you mean by "efficiently?" Also can you provide more information 
about the defrag problem? Do you get an error message of some kind?

On 4/15/2016 3:27 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi all.
> One of my friends is having problems defraging her computer, and
> opening folders efficiently.
> She's using Windows 7 on a Del lap top.
> She can't get the screen rotation to work either, to move it back to 0 degrees.
> She's using NVDA's latest version.
> Thanks
>



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 20:08:46 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 13:08:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Call for Nominations
References: <2ffe17b4-d566-4b50-b454-6b8c8061a143@nylc.org>
Message-ID: <3EB1B14E-A2FC-43E8-B9CD-9E4B5F498485@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Hi all,
> Please see the announcement below from the International Association for Research on Service-Learning and Community Engagement.
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> 
> 
> 
>  
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> IARSLCE is pleased to announce that nominations and applications are now being accepted for the 2016 recognitions and graduate student scholarships. We also invite members to participate in the review process that determines recipients. Additional details may be found below and on our Awards Webpage.
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 15 20:31:39 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:31:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
In-Reply-To: <5710cef4.859e370a.6dc28.6aa3@mx.google.com>
References: <5710cef4.859e370a.6dc28.6aa3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C42D2FC2E73A4EFAA09D378730F5CD5C@OwnerPC>

Christina,

Really? My colleges I attended for my BA only provided readers for tests.
Readers for essential research projects or visual subjects such as science 
where I needed readers to read/describe diagrams was not provided by either 
george mason university or marymount university; GMU is public and MU is 
private.

So, what school do you attend which provides readers? Are they paid hourly?
Since they are dss employees, does the dss office control what types of 
things they read?

I've had to pay out of pocket for readers.

Thanks.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Christina Moore via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:21 AM
To: munawarb at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Christina Moore
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.

My school provides readers/scribes for as much time as I need.
I have had expenses related to the costs of having a service dog.

God Bless,
Christina

----- Original Message -----
From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:40:02 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students
Encounter.

Sure.  When I was in university I was sad to discover that VR
will only
pay for a reader the equivalent credit hours of the course a
week.
Naturally, for math and science courses I needed more than three
hours
a week of a reader.  The rest of the cost came out of my pocket.

I paid for four or five readers over the course of my university
studies.  Had I not been receiving SSDI at the time, this would
not
have been possible, because the Pel Grant was insufficient to
cover
the expenses.

On 4/14/16, Glenn III via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Hi all,

I?�m presenting at our IL Spring seminar on college financing,
and the one
puzzle piece I?�m missing is expected college expenses specific
to blind
students.  I looked online, and searched NABS archives back to
12 months,
but I can?�t find what I?�m looking for.

        While I know some folks anticipate Voc.  Rehab covering
basically all
costs, I think it?�s prudent for a blind student to budget what
their
potential expenses are ahead of time, especially if you end up
not having
things covered.  I could give examples of my own college time
(not to
mention friends who ended up paying out of pocket for things
that other
students didn?�t have to worry about), but I think my
experience is not
going to cover important things many blind students encounter,
so??



Could people here offer some examples of blindness-specific
expenses they
encountered in college that should be budgeted for?


Thanks, so much.
-Glenn Moore III
State Secretary,
National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
(find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"
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From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 21:42:06 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:42:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] focus 14 braille display
Message-ID: <5711605b.ae138c0a.5748b.26b6@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I apologize if this is off topic, but I was hoping someone could 
help.  I am giving a presentation on Monday with one of my former 
professors.  I am having trouble getting my Focus 14 to work with 
Powerpoint 2010.  My Focus is not showing anything that's on the 
slides and I can't navigate it either.  Therefore, if anyone else 
has a Focus Braille display and has Powerpoint 2010 or 2013, how 
do you get around this issue? I find it very difficult to use 
JAWS alone when giving a Powerpoint presentation.  Please feel 
free to write me offlist if you have any suggestions on what I 
could try.  I am using JAWS 17 and firmware version 5.71 on my 
Focus.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Fri Apr 15 21:47:28 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 16:47:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Need help with computer problems!
In-Reply-To: <571145DD.6060602@gmail.com>
References: <CAEpB4bgE8i5b8eg47s4WS9GnHg2F4A36cXvbFoHj1YLxkpi7Ow@mail.gmail.com>
	<571145DD.6060602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bhhxg5ueavSdGgwQnMo7287bFifgORxZd0r2f+r_FBoEA@mail.gmail.com>

We figured out that Skype was eating up all of her memory.

On 4/15/16, Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What do you mean by "efficiently?" Also can you provide more information
> about the defrag problem? Do you get an error message of some kind?
>
> On 4/15/2016 3:27 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> One of my friends is having problems defraging her computer, and
>> opening folders efficiently.
>> She's using Windows 7 on a Del lap top.
>> She can't get the screen rotation to work either, to move it back to 0
>> degrees.
>> She's using NVDA's latest version.
>> Thanks
>>
>
>
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Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From philso1003 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 03:51:35 2016
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:51:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
Message-ID: <CAO2euMeh5KYQodr2ji0t4LSrokp9mafn0jtYNY71ebCsM6MDRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

What are some examples of microaggression, unconscious biases,
assumptions people say or do towards blind people and people with
disabilities that bother you?

I'm doing a mini research and am trying to compile a top-20 list of
such microaggression.  For instance, the other day I heard someone who
works with adults with intellectual disabilities, adults in their 30s
and 40s, that her clients are so adorable. She treats her clients like
infants but doesn't realize it could be disrespectful.

It'd be interesting to see what other examples we come up with here.


Let's share.

Best,
Phil


From bestca21 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 06:13:59 2016
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 23:13:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
In-Reply-To: <C42D2FC2E73A4EFAA09D378730F5CD5C@OwnerPC>
References: <5710cef4.859e370a.6dc28.6aa3@mx.google.com>
	<C42D2FC2E73A4EFAA09D378730F5CD5C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAJ=wgVpEpeg26O+WCqo35+G3ONsgmuqvoiBZr86FXiedWT86dA@mail.gmail.com>

With my experience in under grad, only a portion of my room and board
was paid for. My accommodations with DSS weren’t very good, scribes
giving notes late and things along that nature, also only had a reader
for a set block and that was it.

Now I’m doing my master’s degree at a different school and DSS is way
better. I am allowed readers whenever I need them and am able to give
an estimate on how long they may be required—DSS pays for the
readers/scribes. However, rehab did not provide any type of funding
for my degree program or the accommodations’ that I requested (a
braille display) for class. They stated the reason they would not
provide the accommodation is because with my bachelor’s degree I
SHOULD be able to find a job, once acquiring a job then they would
provide me the recommendation accommodations’… So, my master’s degree
is funded by student loans and out-of-pocket for the display itself,
along with other things that I may need for other small tings. Also, I
am not on a meal plan, so I have to buy food and stuff as well because
I essentially live in an on-campus apartment, so cooking supplies,
cleaning supplies, food, etc. are all out of pocket as well.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
Caitlin

On 4/15/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Christina,
>
> Really? My colleges I attended for my BA only provided readers for tests.
> Readers for essential research projects or visual subjects such as science
> where I needed readers to read/describe diagrams was not provided by either
>
> george mason university or marymount university; GMU is public and MU is
> private.
>
> So, what school do you attend which provides readers? Are they paid hourly?
> Since they are dss employees, does the dss office control what types of
> things they read?
>
> I've had to pay out of pocket for readers.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 7:21 AM
> To: munawarb at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Cc: Christina Moore
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students Encounter.
>
> My school provides readers/scribes for as much time as I need.
> I have had expenses related to the costs of having a service dog.
>
> God Bless,
> Christina
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Munawar Bijani via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 02:40:02 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College Expenses that Blind Students
> Encounter.
>
> Sure.  When I was in university I was sad to discover that VR
> will only
> pay for a reader the equivalent credit hours of the course a
> week.
> Naturally, for math and science courses I needed more than three
> hours
> a week of a reader.  The rest of the cost came out of my pocket.
>
> I paid for four or five readers over the course of my university
> studies.  Had I not been receiving SSDI at the time, this would
> not
> have been possible, because the Pel Grant was insufficient to
> cover
> the expenses.
>
> On 4/14/16, Glenn III via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I?셫 presenting at our IL Spring seminar on college financing,
> and the one
> puzzle piece I?셫 missing is expected college expenses specific
> to blind
> students.  I looked online, and searched NABS archives back to
> 12 months,
> but I can?셳 find what I?셫 looking for.
>
>         While I know some folks anticipate Voc.  Rehab covering
> basically all
> costs, I think it?셲 prudent for a blind student to budget what
> their
> potential expenses are ahead of time, especially if you end up
> not having
> things covered.  I could give examples of my own college time
> (not to
> mention friends who ended up paying out of pocket for things
> that other
> students didn?셳 have to worry about), but I think my
> experience is not
> going to cover important things many blind students encounter,
> so??
>
>
>
> Could people here offer some examples of blindness-specific
> expenses they
> encountered in college that should be budgeted for?
>
>
> Thanks, so much.
> -Glenn Moore III
> State Secretary,
> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
> (find our calendar at nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=158)
> nfb.org <http://www.nfb.org>   "Live the Life You Want"
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>
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From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net  Sat Apr 16 09:40:49 2016
From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 03:40:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards
	blind	people and people with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMeh5KYQodr2ji0t4LSrokp9mafn0jtYNY71ebCsM6MDRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMeh5KYQodr2ji0t4LSrokp9mafn0jtYNY71ebCsM6MDRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571208A1.40807@pcdesk.net>

Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified in 
your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is 
unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a blind 
person without asking permission or otherwise violate our personal space 
in a way they would never dream of doing if the person were sighted. The 
second one is when a person sees you as blind first, and maybe something 
else second. I say maybe because blind may be all you are to them. What 
I mean by this is that every time they talk to you they always bring up 
the blindness in every conceivable situation. If you try to address them 
normally for something like a work related issue, they will change the 
subject to blindness. If they see you in the hallway, they will make a 
comment about the blindness. You get the idea. I understand curiosity, 
and I'm not offended by that. What I am offended by though is when it is 
impossible to speak to a person without them bringing that up. (I know 
one person who I have known for almost 3 years, so at this point it's 
starting to get a bit ridiculous)

As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because I 
was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was telling 
him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find employment, 
even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring manager for 
instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in my opinion, is 
that it doesn't even have to be something that a person does 
consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no negative 
thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates otherwise. You 
can't even address it in that case because they are absolutely convinced 
it doesn't exist.

I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was 
talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity. 
This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice 
the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few 
minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work at 
this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you bring it 
to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny  he has any 
such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is actually convinced 
he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
Joe


From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 13:03:39 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 13:03:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <571208A1.40807@pcdesk.net>
References: <CAO2euMeh5KYQodr2ji0t4LSrokp9mafn0jtYNY71ebCsM6MDRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<571208A1.40807@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <CAAHz73kGqrqZuQWsUWhmQ-KY+gdgGGMFMF=dCpPLE9T6ZBaoxA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is sometimes
when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask fy friends or
family members and say "What does he want to eat?", like we can't talk for
ourselves because we're blind.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified in
> your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is
> unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a blind
> person without asking permission or otherwise violate our personal space
> in a way they would never dream of doing if the person were sighted. The
> second one is when a person sees you as blind first, and maybe something
> else second. I say maybe because blind may be all you are to them. What
> I mean by this is that every time they talk to you they always bring up
> the blindness in every conceivable situation. If you try to address them
> normally for something like a work related issue, they will change the
> subject to blindness. If they see you in the hallway, they will make a
> comment about the blindness. You get the idea. I understand curiosity,
> and I'm not offended by that. What I am offended by though is when it is
> impossible to speak to a person without them bringing that up. (I know
> one person who I have known for almost 3 years, so at this point it's
> starting to get a bit ridiculous)
>
> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because I
> was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was telling
> him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find employment,
> even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring manager for
> instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in my opinion, is
> that it doesn't even have to be something that a person does
> consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no negative
> thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates otherwise. You
> can't even address it in that case because they are absolutely convinced
> it doesn't exist.
>
> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was
> talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity.
> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice
> the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few
> minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work at
> this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you bring it
> to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny  he has any
> such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is actually convinced
> he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
> Joe
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 13:05:49 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:05:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
	people and people with disabilities
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Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
people and people with disabilities

I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is sometimes
when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask fy friends or
family members and say "What does he want to eat?", like we can't talk for
ourselves because we're blind.

On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified 
> in your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is 
> unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a 
> blind person without asking permission or otherwise violate our 
> personal space in a way they would never dream of doing if the person 
> were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you as blind first, 
> and maybe something else second. I say maybe because blind may be all 
> you are to them. What I mean by this is that every time they talk to 
> you they always bring up the blindness in every conceivable situation. 
> If you try to address them normally for something like a work related 
> issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they see you in 
> the hallway, they will make a comment about the blindness. You get the 
> idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not offended by that. What I am 
> offended by though is when it is impossible to speak to a person 
> without them bringing that up. (I know one person who I have known for 
> almost 3 years, so at this point it's starting to get a bit 
> ridiculous)
>
> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because 
> I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was 
> telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find 
> employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring 
> manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in 
> my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something that a person 
> does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no 
> negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates 
> otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because they are 
> absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
>
> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was 
> talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity.
> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice 
> the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few 
> minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work 
> at this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you 
> bring it to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny  
> he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is 
> actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
> Joe
>
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Apr 16 14:59:10 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 09:59:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
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 Agreeed! When I am in those situations, I will often look directly at the
waiter, and say, "I'm right here. My name is Kennedy, and if you would like
to know what I want, maybe you should ask me."

Two aditional microagressions come to mind.
First, it really bothers me when people assume I need help. For example, I
could be walking somewhere uon campus, and someone might come up to me and
say, "Where do you want to go? I will help you." (This is often accompanied
by the person grabbing my arm, that same microagression that Joseph
mentionedff) I usually respond by saying, "I am going to such and such a
place, but I don't need help. Thank you." What makes the situation worse
though is that the person will often say, "Oh! Are you sure? Because I
don't mind. Really, I don't!" At that point, I respond more firmly, "No
thank you." And of course, by this time, I'm trying to resist the urge to
slap the person...

The second microagression is when sighted people commit a microagression,
and then tell me to "please be patient"   when I correct them. I understand
that no one is perfect! Sometimes, I am going to have to explain things,
and that's all right. But if I am using microagressions and don't realize
it, I want to be corrected! I find it frustrating when my sighted piers
tell me that my correcting them is impatient.

I am so glad we are having this conversation. I read somewhere that when
the steriotypes of any minority group are constantly brought to the
surface, it's very psychologically damaging, and can lead to
under-performance in many areas, which often perpetuates the steriotypes! I
think this is definitely true for me and other blind people, though of
course we almost always manage to rise above these ridiculous
microagressions and steriotypes!

Honestly though, I was starting to think that the microagressions I was
noticing were just me being petty! So, I'm happy to know that others are
experiencing the same things, though it sucks that anyone has to!

Kennedy Stomberg


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason
> Polansky
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
> people and people with disabilities
>
> I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is sometimes
> when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask fy friends or
> family members and say "What does he want to eat?", like we can't talk for
> ourselves because we're blind.
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified
> > in your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is
> > unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a
> > blind person without asking permission or otherwise violate our
> > personal space in a way they would never dream of doing if the person
> > were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you as blind first,
> > and maybe something else second. I say maybe because blind may be all
> > you are to them. What I mean by this is that every time they talk to
> > you they always bring up the blindness in every conceivable situation.
> > If you try to address them normally for something like a work related
> > issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they see you in
> > the hallway, they will make a comment about the blindness. You get the
> > idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not offended by that. What I am
> > offended by though is when it is impossible to speak to a person
> > without them bringing that up. (I know one person who I have known for
> > almost 3 years, so at this point it's starting to get a bit
> > ridiculous)
> >
> > As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because
> > I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was
> > telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find
> > employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring
> > manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in
> > my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something that a person
> > does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no
> > negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates
> > otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because they are
> > absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
> >
> > I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was
> > talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity.
> > This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice
> > the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few
> > minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work
> > at this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you
> > bring it to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny
> > he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is
> > actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
> > Joe
> >
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Sat Apr 16 15:15:09 2016
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:15:09 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
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I think we have all encountered the restaurant situation or the setting where someone  continues to ask to help us. As far as that is concerned, I agree it can be very frustrating. But we also need to look at why some people act the way they act. Is it because of the stereotypes only? Are there any other factors? As being someone who used to be sighted, and knowing sighted individuals, the way some were raised is when you see someone who is old, looks like they are struggling, have their hands full of groceries, whether blind or not, it is polite and thoughtful to lend a helping hand.We talk about society and how thoughtless they are and how selfish they are. But when a person lends a helping hand, we then want to "slap them in the face. It is ture that sometimes a person , once told we do not need their help, is insistent on helping. This is definitely frustrating.I have been there. BUt this is usually not becasue of ill intentions. They just need to be educated. How we respondto such individuals will either confirm their stereotypes( such as these blind people sure are rude and arrogant or I appreciate the  person who is blind educating me and helping me to see things from their perspective in a respectful manner). 
	As a student in psychology, we must not only look at what the person does, but why and what influenced the person to act in a certain way. We must look at the big picture before we can understand and then find ways to successfully educate the ill-informed.

James Alan Boehm
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
Refer NFB correspondences to:
secretary at nfb-tn.org

"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"

> On Apr 16, 2016, at 10:00 AM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Agreeed! When I am in those situations, I will often look directly at the
> waiter, and say, "I'm right here. My name is Kennedy, and if you would like
> to know what I want, maybe you should ask me."
> 
> Two aditional microagressions come to mind.
> First, it really bothers me when people assume I need help. For example, I
> could be walking somewhere uon campus, and someone might come up to me and
> say, "Where do you want to go? I will help you." (This is often accompanied
> by the person grabbing my arm, that same microagression that Joseph
> mentionedff) I usually respond by saying, "I am going to such and such a
> place, but I don't need help. Thank you." What makes the situation worse
> though is that the person will often say, "Oh! Are you sure? Because I
> don't mind. Really, I don't!" At that point, I respond more firmly, "No
> thank you." And of course, by this time, I'm trying to resist the urge to
> slap the person...
> 
> The second microagression is when sighted people commit a microagression,
> and then tell me to "please be patient"   when I correct them. I understand
> that no one is perfect! Sometimes, I am going to have to explain things,
> and that's all right. But if I am using microagressions and don't realize
> it, I want to be corrected! I find it frustrating when my sighted piers
> tell me that my correcting them is impatient.
> 
> I am so glad we are having this conversation. I read somewhere that when
> the steriotypes of any minority group are constantly brought to the
> surface, it's very psychologically damaging, and can lead to
> under-performance in many areas, which often perpetuates the steriotypes! I
> think this is definitely true for me and other blind people, though of
> course we almost always manage to rise above these ridiculous
> microagressions and steriotypes!
> 
> Honestly though, I was starting to think that the microagressions I was
> noticing were just me being petty! So, I'm happy to know that others are
> experiencing the same things, though it sucks that anyone has to!
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason
>> Polansky
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> 
>> Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
>> people and people with disabilities
>> 
>> I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is sometimes
>> when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask fy friends or
>> family members and say "What does he want to eat?", like we can't talk for
>> ourselves because we're blind.
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified
>>> in your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is
>>> unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a
>>> blind person without asking permission or otherwise violate our
>>> personal space in a way they would never dream of doing if the person
>>> were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you as blind first,
>>> and maybe something else second. I say maybe because blind may be all
>>> you are to them. What I mean by this is that every time they talk to
>>> you they always bring up the blindness in every conceivable situation.
>>> If you try to address them normally for something like a work related
>>> issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they see you in
>>> the hallway, they will make a comment about the blindness. You get the
>>> idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not offended by that. What I am
>>> offended by though is when it is impossible to speak to a person
>>> without them bringing that up. (I know one person who I have known for
>>> almost 3 years, so at this point it's starting to get a bit
>>> ridiculous)
>>> 
>>> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because
>>> I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was
>>> telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find
>>> employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring
>>> manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in
>>> my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something that a person
>>> does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no
>>> negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates
>>> otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because they are
>>> absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
>>> 
>>> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was
>>> talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity.
>>> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice
>>> the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few
>>> minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work
>>> at this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you
>>> bring it to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny
>>> he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is
>>> actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
>>> Joe
>>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 15:36:44 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:36:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
	people and people with disabilities
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How about when people think they can put their hands on us without
permission.  I for one, move away from them; I don't like people touching me
usually unless I know them.
 I avoid contact usually. 
And second, some stuff is just plain rude and thoughtless; I really don't
care why someone does it. 
Asking once is cool, but when I tell you no, then I don't expect a
continuing of the asking if I need help routine.
And, if I'm at a restaurant, and you ask someone else what I want, or are
otherwise denagrading, then I not goint to tip you.  I'll at least explain
myself, but I must admit, I usually don't get this much, and I think it is
due to the way I dress and carry myself.  
 One thing that seems to help is if you dress nicely.  I rarely if at all
where shorts, jeans, sneakers, or any open toe shoes.  I stick to slacks,
nice shirts, sweaters, boots and work shoes.  I stay clean shaven. I've
found that it gets a modicum of respect if you stay a couple levels above
the folks around you.  I where sport coats and ties to work, even though our
dress does not always call for it; they're more business casual, slacks and
shirts, and what ever the female equivalent is.  I've decided that I don't
want anyone to be able to distinguish me from one of the managers.  



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Alan
Boehm via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:15 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: James Alan Boehm <jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
people and people with disabilities

I think we have all encountered the restaurant situation or the setting
where someone  continues to ask to help us. As far as that is concerned, I
agree it can be very frustrating. But we also need to look at why some
people act the way they act. Is it because of the stereotypes only? Are
there any other factors? As being someone who used to be sighted, and
knowing sighted individuals, the way some were raised is when you see
someone who is old, looks like they are struggling, have their hands full of
groceries, whether blind or not, it is polite and thoughtful to lend a
helping hand.We talk about society and how thoughtless they are and how
selfish they are. But when a person lends a helping hand, we then want to
"slap them in the face. It is ture that sometimes a person , once told we do
not need their help, is insistent on helping. This is definitely
frustrating.I have been there. BUt this is usually not becasue of ill
intentions. They just need to be educated. How we respondto such individuals
will either confirm their stereotypes( such as these blind people sure are
rude and arrogant or I appreciate the  person who is blind educating me and
helping me to see things from their perspective in a respectful manner). 
	As a student in psychology, we must not only look at what the person
does, but why and what influenced the person to act in a certain way. We
must look at the big picture before we can understand and then find ways to
successfully educate the ill-informed.

James Alan Boehm
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
secretary at nfb-tn.org

"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"

> On Apr 16, 2016, at 10:00 AM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Agreeed! When I am in those situations, I will often look directly at 
> the waiter, and say, "I'm right here. My name is Kennedy, and if you 
> would like to know what I want, maybe you should ask me."
> 
> Two aditional microagressions come to mind.
> First, it really bothers me when people assume I need help. For 
> example, I could be walking somewhere uon campus, and someone might 
> come up to me and say, "Where do you want to go? I will help you." 
> (This is often accompanied by the person grabbing my arm, that same 
> microagression that Joseph
> mentionedff) I usually respond by saying, "I am going to such and such 
> a place, but I don't need help. Thank you." What makes the situation 
> worse though is that the person will often say, "Oh! Are you sure? 
> Because I don't mind. Really, I don't!" At that point, I respond more 
> firmly, "No thank you." And of course, by this time, I'm trying to 
> resist the urge to slap the person...
> 
> The second microagression is when sighted people commit a microagression,
> and then tell me to "please be patient"   when I correct them. I
understand
> that no one is perfect! Sometimes, I am going to have to explain 
> things, and that's all right. But if I am using microagressions and 
> don't realize it, I want to be corrected! I find it frustrating when 
> my sighted piers tell me that my correcting them is impatient.
> 
> I am so glad we are having this conversation. I read somewhere that 
> when the steriotypes of any minority group are constantly brought to 
> the surface, it's very psychologically damaging, and can lead to 
> under-performance in many areas, which often perpetuates the 
> steriotypes! I think this is definitely true for me and other blind 
> people, though of course we almost always manage to rise above these 
> ridiculous microagressions and steriotypes!
> 
> Honestly though, I was starting to think that the microagressions I 
> was noticing were just me being petty! So, I'm happy to know that 
> others are experiencing the same things, though it sucks that anyone has
to!
> 
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, justin williams via nabs-l < 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason 
>> Polansky via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> 
>> Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards 
>> blind people and people with disabilities
>> 
>> I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is 
>> sometimes when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask 
>> fy friends or family members and say "What does he want to eat?", 
>> like we can't talk for ourselves because we're blind.
>> 
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l < 
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be 
>>> classified in your words as microaggression that really get to me. 
>>> The first is unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok 
>>> to touch a blind person without asking permission or otherwise 
>>> violate our personal space in a way they would never dream of doing 
>>> if the person were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you 
>>> as blind first, and maybe something else second. I say maybe because 
>>> blind may be all you are to them. What I mean by this is that every 
>>> time they talk to you they always bring up the blindness in every
conceivable situation.
>>> If you try to address them normally for something like a work 
>>> related issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they 
>>> see you in the hallway, they will make a comment about the 
>>> blindness. You get the idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not 
>>> offended by that. What I am offended by though is when it is 
>>> impossible to speak to a person without them bringing that up. (I 
>>> know one person who I have known for almost 3 years, so at this 
>>> point it's starting to get a bit
>>> ridiculous)
>>> 
>>> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up 
>>> because I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I 
>>> was telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to 
>>> find employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the 
>>> hiring manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at 
>>> least in my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something 
>>> that a person does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced 
>>> they have no negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior 
>>> indicates otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because 
>>> they are absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
>>> 
>>> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I 
>>> was talking to someone about the possibility of a future work
opportunity.
>>> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even 
>>> notice the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, 
>>> a few minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want 
>>> to work at this location because the layout of the area is weird." 
>>> If you bring it to his attention though, even with that comment, 
>>> he'll deny he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing 
>>> either; he is actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
>>> Joe
>>> 
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 16:31:16 2016
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:31:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] focus 14 braille display
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Hi Kelsey,

I'm not sure why your Focus braille display is not working with
PowerPoint - I use a Focus 40 braille display with my laptop at home
and it has always worked smoothly when the presentation is in Slide
Show mode. Have you tried restarting JAWS or unplugging your braille
display then plugging it back in?

Do you happen to have a braille notetaker? If so, you might want to
try writing down what you want to say from each slide on your
notetaker and use those notes to guide your presentation. The
advantage of this approach is that you can put more details in your
notes than what you have on the slides. I have given many
presentations using this method and it has worked very well for me.
Feel free to let me know if you have questions if you decide to try
this strategy!

Katie


On 4/15/16, Kelsey Nicolay via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> I apologize if this is off topic, but I was hoping someone could
> help.  I am giving a presentation on Monday with one of my former
> professors.  I am having trouble getting my Focus 14 to work with
> Powerpoint 2010.  My Focus is not showing anything that's on the
> slides and I can't navigate it either.  Therefore, if anyone else
> has a Focus Braille display and has Powerpoint 2010 or 2013, how
> do you get around this issue? I find it very difficult to use
> JAWS alone when giving a Powerpoint presentation.  Please feel
> free to write me offlist if you have any suggestions on what I
> could try.  I am using JAWS 17 and firmware version 5.71 on my
> Focus.
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 17:03:10 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 10:03:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
References: <CA0F9BAB-9DFD-45A2-AA58-20EBF22EF69B@nfbcommunityservice.org>
Message-ID: <DC01783B-C541-41C0-B170-AF0A799DDB8E@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Darian Smith via Community-service <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> Date: April 15, 2016 at 8:38:40 PM PDT
> To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Darian Smith <president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
> Subject: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
> Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
> 
> Hi all,
> 
>  Please  Join the National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division for our April membership call.
>   We  are going to talk about a program that we are excited to start for you in May.
>  We are also going to talk about a few tried and true websites you can use if you want to get involved in community service projects in  your local area.
>   So Please join us on Wednesday April 20 at 8 pm  eastern time.
>  The Call-in information is as follows: (712)432-0140 and the access code is 808277.
>   We look forward to hearing you on the call!
>    Best,
>   Darian
>   
> 
> 
> Darian Smith
> President, National Federation  of the Blind Community Service Division
> 
> Web: www.nfbcommunityservice.org
> 
> Twitter: @NFBCSDivision, at goldengateace
> 
> Facebook: search for “National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division"
> 
> E-mail: president at nfbcommunityservice.org
>  
> (415)215-9809
> 
>  
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>  “We need your service, right now, at this moment - our moment - in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be; that's for you to discover. But I am going to ask you to play your part; ask you to stand up; ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history” — Barack Obama 
>  Help drive change for the blind .
> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
> “
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 18:35:03 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:35:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <DC01783B-C541-41C0-B170-AF0A799DDB8E@gmail.com>
References: <CA0F9BAB-9DFD-45A2-AA58-20EBF22EF69B@nfbcommunityservice.org>
	<DC01783B-C541-41C0-B170-AF0A799DDB8E@gmail.com>
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Are there notes on the meetings or something?  I would like to join but was unable to last time and most likely cannot do so this next call either.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 16, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Darian Smith via Community-service <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: April 15, 2016 at 8:38:40 PM PDT
>> To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Darian Smith <president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
>> Subject: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
>> Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Please  Join the National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division for our April membership call.
>>  We  are going to talk about a program that we are excited to start for you in May.
>> We are also going to talk about a few tried and true websites you can use if you want to get involved in community service projects in  your local area.
>>  So Please join us on Wednesday April 20 at 8 pm  eastern time.
>> The Call-in information is as follows: (712)432-0140 and the access code is 808277.
>>  We look forward to hearing you on the call!
>>   Best,
>>  Darian
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Darian Smith
>> President, National Federation  of the Blind Community Service Division
>> 
>> Web: www.nfbcommunityservice.org
>> 
>> Twitter: @NFBCSDivision, at goldengateace
>> 
>> Facebook: search for “National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division"
>> 
>> E-mail: president at nfbcommunityservice.org
>> 
>> (415)215-9809
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> “We need your service, right now, at this moment - our moment - in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be; that's for you to discover. But I am going to ask you to play your part; ask you to stand up; ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history” — Barack Obama 
>> Help drive change for the blind .
>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
>> “
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Community-service mailing list
>> Community-service at nfbnet.org
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Apr 16 19:02:11 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 12:02:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
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Afternoon, James,

         In your message, I like how you describe ways in which you 
are conscious of embodying the rhetoric you are aspousing. Ol'Sighty, 
as I like to think of him in my experience is not necessarily 
effectively reached in the course of attending some leccture should 
he find himself associating with blind people, rather, he seems to be 
reached more directly by seeing these colors of the blind experience 
embodied in the course of blind behavior. So I hope we are careful to 
act out what ever is our vision, our conception of how blindness ought to look.
As far as being handled by him, for me, touch is the way in which I, 
myself receive environmental cues in a most direct way. therefore, if 
it's the way I, myself  receive environmental cues why then ought 
Ol'Sighty not receive cues with like immediacy?



I need help routine.
>And, if I'm at a restaurant, and you ask someone else what I want, or are
>otherwise denagrading, then I not goint to tip you.  I'll at least explain
>myself, but I must admit, I usually don't get this much, and I think it is
>due to the way I dress and carry myself.
>  One thing that seems to help is if you dress nicely.  I rarely if at all
>where shorts, jeans, sneakers, or any open toe shoes.  I stick to slacks,
>nice shirts, sweaters, boots and work shoes.  I stay clean shaven. I've
>found that it gets a modicum of respect if you stay a couple levels above
>the folks around you.  I where sport coats and ties to work, even though our
>dress does not always call for it; they're more business casual, slacks and
>shirts, and what ever the female equivalent is.  I've decided that I don't
>want anyone to be able to distinguish me from one of the managers.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Alan
>Boehm via nabs-l
>Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:15 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: James Alan Boehm <jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
>people and people with disabilities
>
>I think we have all encountered the restaurant situation or the setting
>where someone  continues to ask to help us. As far as that is concerned, I
>agree it can be very frustrating. But we also need to look at why some
>people act the way they act. Is it because of the stereotypes only? Are
>there any other factors? As being someone who used to be sighted, and
>knowing sighted individuals, the way some were raised is when you see
>someone who is old, looks like they are struggling, have their hands full of
>groceries, whether blind or not, it is polite and thoughtful to lend a
>helping hand.We talk about society and how thoughtless they are and how
>selfish they are. But when a person lends a helping hand, we then want to
>"slap them in the face. It is ture that sometimes a person , once told we do
>not need their help, is insistent on helping. This is definitely
>frustrating.I have been there. BUt this is usually not becasue of ill
>intentions. They just need to be educated. How we respondto such individuals
>will either confirm their stereotypes( such as these blind people sure are
>rude and arrogant or I appreciate the  person who is blind educating me and
>helping me to see things from their perspective in a respectful manner).
>         As a student in psychology, we must not only look at what the person
>does, but why and what influenced the person to act in a certain way. We
>must look at the big picture before we can understand and then find ways to
>successfully educate the ill-informed.
>
>James Alan Boehm
>Phone: 901-483-1515
>Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com Refer NFB correspondences to:
>secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
>"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
> > On Apr 16, 2016, at 10:00 AM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Agreeed! When I am in those situations, I will often look directly at
> > the waiter, and say, "I'm right here. My name is Kennedy, and if you
> > would like to know what I want, maybe you should ask me."
> >
> > Two aditional microagressions come to mind.
> > First, it really bothers me when people assume I need help. For
> > example, I could be walking somewhere uon campus, and someone might
> > come up to me and say, "Where do you want to go? I will help you."
> > (This is often accompanied by the person grabbing my arm, that same
> > microagression that Joseph
> > mentionedff) I usually respond by saying, "I am going to such and such
> > a place, but I don't need help. Thank you." What makes the situation
> > worse though is that the person will often say, "Oh! Are you sure?
> > Because I don't mind. Really, I don't!" At that point, I respond more
> > firmly, "No thank you." And of course, by this time, I'm trying to
> > resist the urge to slap the person...
> >
> > The second microagression is when sighted people commit a microagression,
> > and then tell me to "please be patient"   when I correct them. I
>understand
> > that no one is perfect! Sometimes, I am going to have to explain
> > things, and that's all right. But if I am using microagressions and
> > don't realize it, I want to be corrected! I find it frustrating when
> > my sighted piers tell me that my correcting them is impatient.
> >
> > I am so glad we are having this conversation. I read somewhere that
> > when the steriotypes of any minority group are constantly brought to
> > the surface, it's very psychologically damaging, and can lead to
> > under-performance in many areas, which often perpetuates the
> > steriotypes! I think this is definitely true for me and other blind
> > people, though of course we almost always manage to rise above these
> > ridiculous microagressions and steriotypes!
> >
> > Honestly though, I was starting to think that the microagressions I
> > was noticing were just me being petty! So, I'm happy to know that
> > others are experiencing the same things, though it sucks that anyone has
>to!
> >
> > Kennedy Stomberg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
> >> Justin
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason
> >> Polansky via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>
> >> Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards
> >> blind people and people with disabilities
> >>
> >> I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is
> >> sometimes when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask
> >> fy friends or family members and say "What does he want to eat?",
> >> like we can't talk for ourselves because we're blind.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be
> >>> classified in your words as microaggression that really get to me.
> >>> The first is unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok
> >>> to touch a blind person without asking permission or otherwise
> >>> violate our personal space in a way they would never dream of doing
> >>> if the person were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you
> >>> as blind first, and maybe something else second. I say maybe because
> >>> blind may be all you are to them. What I mean by this is that every
> >>> time they talk to you they always bring up the blindness in every
>conceivable situation.
> >>> If you try to address them normally for something like a work
> >>> related issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they
> >>> see you in the hallway, they will make a comment about the
> >>> blindness. You get the idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not
> >>> offended by that. What I am offended by though is when it is
> >>> impossible to speak to a person without them bringing that up. (I
> >>> know one person who I have known for almost 3 years, so at this
> >>> point it's starting to get a bit
> >>> ridiculous)
> >>>
> >>> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up
> >>> because I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I
> >>> was telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to
> >>> find employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the
> >>> hiring manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at
> >>> least in my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something
> >>> that a person does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced
> >>> they have no negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior
> >>> indicates otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because
> >>> they are absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
> >>>
> >>> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I
> >>> was talking to someone about the possibility of a future work
>opportunity.
> >>> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even
> >>> notice the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then,
> >>> a few minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want
> >>> to work at this location because the layout of the area is weird."
> >>> If you bring it to his attention though, even with that comment,
> >>> he'll deny he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing
> >>> either; he is actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
> >>> Joe
> >>>
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Apr 16 19:03:16 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 15:03:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
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I would like to know this as well.


God bless.--Christina

> On Apr 16, 2016, at 14:35, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Are there notes on the meetings or something?  I would like to join but was unable to last time and most likely cannot do so this next call either.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Darian Smith via Community-service <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: April 15, 2016 at 8:38:40 PM PDT
>>> To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Darian Smith <president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
>>> Subject: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
>>> Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Please  Join the National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division for our April membership call.
>>> We  are going to talk about a program that we are excited to start for you in May.
>>> We are also going to talk about a few tried and true websites you can use if you want to get involved in community service projects in  your local area.
>>> So Please join us on Wednesday April 20 at 8 pm  eastern time.
>>> The Call-in information is as follows: (712)432-0140 and the access code is 808277.
>>> We look forward to hearing you on the call!
>>>  Best,
>>> Darian
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Darian Smith
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>>> 
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>>> Facebook: search for “National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division"
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 16 21:14:12 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 17:14:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
	people and people with disabilities
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I've recently noticed more people continue to talk as I am attempting to
finish asking a question or complete an explanation. If you've ever met me
in person, you know I tend to be soft-spoken, and for a time I thought well,
hell, maybe it's me, not you. LOL But no, even when I begin to raise my
voice and know beyond any doubt they can understand the words coming out of
my mouth, they still do it as if I am the stupid blind guy who can't
possibly be trusted to make any coherent sense. I'm generally slow to kindle
but admit such behavior tests my patience.

Good discussion,

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 11:52 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Phil
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
people and people with disabilities

Hey guys,

What are some examples of microaggression, unconscious biases, assumptions
people say or do towards blind people and people with disabilities that
bother you?

I'm doing a mini research and am trying to compile a top-20 list of such
microaggression.  For instance, the other day I heard someone who works with
adults with intellectual disabilities, adults in their 30s and 40s, that her
clients are so adorable. She treats her clients like infants but doesn't
realize it could be disrespectful.

It'd be interesting to see what other examples we come up with here.


Let's share.

Best,
Phil

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Apr 17 04:38:41 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 21:38:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
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Hi, James,

I also appreciate your pointing to cultural factors (I.E.) lending a 
helping hand to people whom the culture might view as feeble.
08:15 AM 4/16/2016, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l wrote:
>I think we have all encountered the restaurant situation or the 
>setting where someone  continues to ask to help us. As far as that 
>is concerned, I agree it can be very frustrating. But we also need 
>to look at why some people act the way they act. Is it because of 
>the stereotypes only? Are there any other factors? As being someone 
>who used to be sighted, and knowing sighted individuals, the way 
>some were raised is when you see someone who is old, looks like they 
>are struggling, have their hands full of groceries, whether blind or 
>not, it is polite and thoughtful to lend a helping hand.We talk 
>about society and how thoughtless they are and how selfish they are. 
>But when a person lends a helping hand, we then want to "slap them 
>in the face. It is ture that sometimes a person , once told we do 
>not need their help, is insistent on helping. This is definitely 
>frustrating.I have been there. BUt this is usually not becasue of 
>ill intentions. They just need to be educated. How we respondto such 
>individuals will either confirm their stereotypes( such as these 
>blind people sure are rude and arrogant or I appreciate the  person 
>who is blind educating me and helping me to see things from their 
>perspective in a respectful manner).
>         As a student in psychology, we must not only look at what 
> the person does, but why and what influenced the person to act in a 
> certain way. We must look at the big picture before we can 
> understand and then find ways to successfully educate the ill-informed.
>
>James Alan Boehm
>Phone: 901-483-1515
>Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>Refer NFB correspondences to:
>secretary at nfb-tn.org
>
>"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>
> > On Apr 16, 2016, at 10:00 AM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Agreeed! When I am in those situations, I will often look directly at the
> > waiter, and say, "I'm right here. My name is Kennedy, and if you would like
> > to know what I want, maybe you should ask me."
> >
> > Two aditional microagressions come to mind.
> > First, it really bothers me when people assume I need help. For example, I
> > could be walking somewhere uon campus, and someone might come up to me and
> > say, "Where do you want to go? I will help you." (This is often accompanied
> > by the person grabbing my arm, that same microagression that Joseph
> > mentionedff) I usually respond by saying, "I am going to such and such a
> > place, but I don't need help. Thank you." What makes the situation worse
> > though is that the person will often say, "Oh! Are you sure? Because I
> > don't mind. Really, I don't!" At that point, I respond more firmly, "No
> > thank you." And of course, by this time, I'm trying to resist the urge to
> > slap the person...
> >
> > The second microagression is when sighted people commit a microagression,
> > and then tell me to "please be patient"   when I correct them. I understand
> > that no one is perfect! Sometimes, I am going to have to explain things,
> > and that's all right. But if I am using microagressions and don't realize
> > it, I want to be corrected! I find it frustrating when my sighted piers
> > tell me that my correcting them is impatient.
> >
> > I am so glad we are having this conversation. I read somewhere that when
> > the steriotypes of any minority group are constantly brought to the
> > surface, it's very psychologically damaging, and can lead to
> > under-performance in many areas, which often perpetuates the steriotypes! I
> > think this is definitely true for me and other blind people, though of
> > course we almost always manage to rise above these ridiculous
> > microagressions and steriotypes!
> >
> > Honestly though, I was starting to think that the microagressions I was
> > noticing were just me being petty! So, I'm happy to know that others are
> > experiencing the same things, though it sucks that anyone has to!
> >
> > Kennedy Stomberg
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:05 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Yeap, and I don't tip them either.  I tell them why also.
> >> Justin
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason
> >> Polansky
> >> via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 9:04 AM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>
> >> Cc: Jason Polansky <jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
> >> people and people with disabilities
> >>
> >> I agree with Phil and Joseph. Something at the top of my head is sometimes
> >> when we go to restaurants, the waiter or waitress will ask fy friends or
> >> family members and say "What does he want to eat?", like we can't talk for
> >> ourselves because we're blind.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 5:42 AM Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Off the top of my head, there are two things that could be classified
> >>> in your words as microaggression that really get to me. The first is
> >>> unsolicited touching. Many people seem to think it's ok to touch a
> >>> blind person without asking permission or otherwise violate our
> >>> personal space in a way they would never dream of doing if the person
> >>> were sighted. The second one is when a person sees you as blind first,
> >>> and maybe something else second. I say maybe because blind may be all
> >>> you are to them. What I mean by this is that every time they talk to
> >>> you they always bring up the blindness in every conceivable situation.
> >>> If you try to address them normally for something like a work related
> >>> issue, they will change the subject to blindness. If they see you in
> >>> the hallway, they will make a comment about the blindness. You get the
> >>> idea. I understand curiosity, and I'm not offended by that. What I am
> >>> offended by though is when it is impossible to speak to a person
> >>> without them bringing that up. (I know one person who I have known for
> >>> almost 3 years, so at this point it's starting to get a bit
> >>> ridiculous)
> >>>
> >>> As for unconscious biases, it's interesting you bring that up because
> >>> I was just talking to a friend about that this last week. I was
> >>> telling him that it is often times hard for a blind person to find
> >>> employment, even when qualified because of biases held by the hiring
> >>> manager for instance. I told him the worst part of that, at least in
> >>> my opinion, is that it doesn't even have to be something that a person
> >>> does consciously. A person can be absolutely convinced they have no
> >>> negative thoughts about blindness, yet their behavior indicates
> >>> otherwise. You can't even address it in that case because they are
> >>> absolutely convinced it doesn't exist.
> >>>
> >>> I had an experience related to this just a couple of months ago. I was
> >>> talking to someone about the possibility of a future work opportunity.
> >>> This guy had said in the same conversation that he doesn't even notice
> >>> the blindness and that he treats me like everyone else. Then, a few
> >>> minutes later he said, "well, I'm assuming you wouldn't want to work
> >>> at this location because the layout of the area is weird." If you
> >>> bring it to his attention though, even with that comment, he'll deny
> >>> he has any such views. It's not a dishonesty thing either; he is
> >>> actually convinced he doesn't harbour opinions like that.
> >>> Joe
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 06:10:21 2016
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 01:10:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
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Micro aggressions might be more subtle than someone grabbing us,
insisting upon helping us, or talking over us at a restaurant.  I
suppose we could loosely classify these examples as micro aggressions,
since the intentions in these cases are not to cause harm.  Still, I'm
not convinced.

Have any of you ever been told that you accomplish a task or perform a
certain job so well that the complementer forgets your blind?  Or what
about those news articles that list a student's accomplishments and
then proclaim dramatically half way through the article: "And she did
all of this while blind!"

Let's define the good intentions of the sighted, shall we.  :)  When
someone asks me if I need help, they have good intentions.  When I
give them a smile and a "no thank you", and we're on our way, then I
know the person genuinely wanted to find out if I needed help.  However...
If the sighted person in question assumes I need help, does not listen
when I refuse their assistance, and never bothers to understand that I
responded in the negative, then their good intentions represent
nothing more than fear of my disability, a need on their part to do
something good for themselves, and a complete refusal to look beyond
my blindness and see a person.

Thing is...  And this is only my humble opinion...  When these micro
aggressions happen, the people who commit them are seeing us as
people.  They may even have respect for us as people, but they may not
have respect for the group of people we represent.  And in most cases
they don't even realize it!

I tend to be rather forgetful.  My phone will find its way all over my
apartment, and I can spend precious minutes looking for it.  When I
laugh about this with my sighted friends, some of them believe that my
scattered nature should naturally be blamed on my blindness.  All of
you on this list know this is not so as I'm sure a number of you never
misplace any of your belongings.  I have to explain to my friends that
not all blind people lose their posessions all the time.  Those
comments would be micro aggressions.

We live in a reality that is not black and white, ignorance and
knowledge, or prejudice and acceptance.  Some people display the flaws
in their knowledge or buy into general misconceptions yet still see us
as people before disabilities.  It's in those in-between areas when
micro aggressions come into play.




On 4/16/16, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I've recently noticed more people continue to talk as I am attempting to
> finish asking a question or complete an explanation. If you've ever met me
> in person, you know I tend to be soft-spoken, and for a time I thought
> well,
> hell, maybe it's me, not you. LOL But no, even when I begin to raise my
> voice and know beyond any doubt they can understand the words coming out of
> my mouth, they still do it as if I am the stupid blind guy who can't
> possibly be trusted to make any coherent sense. I'm generally slow to
> kindle
> but admit such behavior tests my patience.
>
> Good discussion,
>
> Joe
>
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> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 11:52 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Phil
> Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
> people and people with disabilities
>
> Hey guys,
>
> What are some examples of microaggression, unconscious biases, assumptions
> people say or do towards blind people and people with disabilities that
> bother you?
>
> I'm doing a mini research and am trying to compile a top-20 list of such
> microaggression.  For instance, the other day I heard someone who works
> with
> adults with intellectual disabilities, adults in their 30s and 40s, that
> her
> clients are so adorable. She treats her clients like infants but doesn't
> realize it could be disrespectful.
>
> It'd be interesting to see what other examples we come up with here.
>
>
> Let's share.
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
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Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
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From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net  Sun Apr 17 08:07:07 2016
From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 02:07:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards
	blind	people and people with disabilities
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	<002401d19824$ecc0adb0$c6420910$@gmail.com>
	<CAHox4DLpSvPTrbD6GiHvEpL+M3-oq10GZ4BHXi53JsgMMaveww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5713442B.4010409@pcdesk.net>

Julie,
That thing about your phone is actually halarious to me, because it 
reminds me of a related story which directly ties in with what we're 
talking about here. I was telling one of my blind friends that I'm a 
clutz, which is nothing more than the truth. He made some comment like 
"are you seriously one of those clumsy blind people? Why can't you just 
be more careful so you're not one of those?" Thing  was (and still is 
actually), the blindness doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm just a 
clutz and that's the way it is. There are plenty of sighted folks who 
are clumsy, uncoordinated, or who just exhibit "clutz" behavior. He made 
the assumption it was a blind thing though when I mentioned it, and he's 
blind himself.
--
Joe


From philso1003 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 17 15:04:18 2016
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 11:04:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microaggression and unconscious biases towards blind
 people and people with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <5713442B.4010409@pcdesk.net>
References: <CAO2euMeh5KYQodr2ji0t4LSrokp9mafn0jtYNY71ebCsM6MDRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<002401d19824$ecc0adb0$c6420910$@gmail.com>
	<CAHox4DLpSvPTrbD6GiHvEpL+M3-oq10GZ4BHXi53JsgMMaveww@mail.gmail.com>
	<5713442B.4010409@pcdesk.net>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMf93+yS4W-Pa1kzZXmmE4oHRkJ4DEcmvbLu27Ua1vNqyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone, love this discussion so far! So many illustrative
examples and analytical insights!
So here are 2 follow up questions.
First, for the examples mentioned so far, what do you think are the
assumptions held by the sighted people involved?
Secondly, what are some incidents of microaggression and unconscious
biases that are school-related, job-related including volunteering, or
accessibility-related you can think of?
Best,
Phil



On 4/17/16, Joseph C. Lininger via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Julie,
> That thing about your phone is actually halarious to me, because it
> reminds me of a related story which directly ties in with what we're
> talking about here. I was telling one of my blind friends that I'm a
> clutz, which is nothing more than the truth. He made some comment like
> "are you seriously one of those clumsy blind people? Why can't you just
> be more careful so you're not one of those?" Thing  was (and still is
> actually), the blindness doesn't have anything to do with it. I'm just a
> clutz and that's the way it is. There are plenty of sighted folks who
> are clumsy, uncoordinated, or who just exhibit "clutz" behavior. He made
> the assumption it was a blind thing though when I mentioned it, and he's
> blind himself.
> --
> Joe
>
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 04:14:51 2016
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 21:14:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] I Need Your Help for My Research Project
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a1bQU4OOf5yj5CvA2tt6TwAuctkfdMRsXy8SCS2+MnuMA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everybody,

Please find the recruitment email below for my research project. Your
help for this research would be greatly appreciated.

Dear professors,

I am writing to invite you to be a part of my pilot study regarding
your experiences as blind or visually impaired faculty at American
universities.  I am a first year PhD student in the Rehabilitation
Counseling department at the University of Arizona. As a part of my
qualitative research class, I am conducting a pilot study on the
experiences of professors with visual disabilities. My own experiences
as a blind graduate student in teaching and research prompted me to
explore this phenomenon.

The main purpose of this pilot study is to explore the experiences of
professors with visual disabilities. Using phenomenological inquiry,
this pilot study will be one of the first to investigate in-depth the
experiences of blind and visually impaired professors; thus, it will
not only aim to identify the barriers and challenges that professors
with visual disabilities experience, but also share the strategies
that professors use to successfully manage their jobs.

If you would like to be part of this study, you must:
•	Be legally blind,
•	Work as a fulltime or part-time professor at a US university or college
•	 Have at least one year of work experience as a professor.

If you agree to participate, there will be an audiotaped
semi-structured interview and it will last approximately 50 to 75
minutes. Your interview will be transcribed verbatim for data analysis
purposes. Any identifying information will be excluded after the
transcription. You will have a chance to review the transcript of your
interview, if you would like.   As a last step, I will ask you to do a
member check which allows validation of the findings after the data is
analyzed.

I am reaching out to interview professors from different universities
and different departments in order to explore a broad range of
experiences. This study will ultimately provide valuable information
and insights for future graduate students with visual disabilities who
decide to follow the same career path. In addition, it will ultimately
provide an opportunity to inform policy makers in higher education and
rehabilitation counseling fields, if common barriers and challenges
are identified.

Please find attached a permission form that explains the study in more detail.

Please contact me via either email or phone, if you would like to be a
part of this study. I understand that as professors you are very busy,
and your contribution to this study will be greatly appreciated.
Warmest regards,

Zeynep Yilmaz, MS, CRC
Email: zyilmaz at email.arizona.edu
Phone: (608) 698-5044


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 21:59:28 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 14:59:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 2 step verification request
Message-ID: <571558d2.430a620a.69a0c.71ec@mx.google.com>

Hello, I requested 2 step verification and I have to wait until 
tomorrow.  I would like to use 2 factor authentication instead 
but how do I cancel my request?


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 23:05:14 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:05:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] 2 step verification request
In-Reply-To: <571558d2.430a620a.69a0c.71ec@mx.google.com>
References: <571558d2.430a620a.69a0c.71ec@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <97773864-D7A6-48C4-A88F-AE0EC4AAE54C@gmail.com>

Is this on an iPhone? If it is, I think two-step authentication and two factor authentication are the same thing.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:59 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, I requested 2 step verification and I have to wait until tomorrow.  I would like to use 2 factor authentication instead but how do I cancel my request?
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 23:27:31 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:27:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 2 step verification request
Message-ID: <57156d75.c32c6b0a.b7c9.47ba@mx.google.com>

I notice that the newer one doesn't require a recovery key.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:05:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 2 step verification request

Is this on an iPhone? If it is, I think two-step authentication 
and two factor authentication are the same thing.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 18, 2016, at 5:59 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello, I requested 2 step verification and I have to wait until 
tomorrow.  I would like to use 2 factor authentication instead 
but how do I cancel my request?

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 16:20:21 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:20:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
	correct
Message-ID: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>



Hi everyone,
When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is correct without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor before submitting them?
Thanks,Amanda

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 16:30:14 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:30:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting
	is	correct
In-Reply-To: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>
References: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>

Find a format, and follow it.
 I have one I'm sure I can send you.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:20 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
correct



Hi everyone,
When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is correct
without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor before submitting
them?
Thanks,Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 16:49:35 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 12:49:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
	correct
In-Reply-To: <010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>
References: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>
	<010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>

But how do you follow it with Jaws?

Amanda

> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:30 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Find a format, and follow it.
> I have one I'm sure I can send you.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
> correct
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is correct
> without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor before submitting
> them?
> Thanks,Amanda
> _______________________________________________
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 17:02:02 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:02:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
 correct
In-Reply-To: <AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>
References: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>
	<010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>
	<AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5716648A.9020600@gmail.com>

You can use various commands to get detailed layout information, one of 
which is INS+F, which will give you font information.

On 4/19/2016 12:49 PM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
> But how do you follow it with Jaws?
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:30 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Find a format, and follow it.
>> I have one I'm sure I can send you.
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
>> correct
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is correct
>> without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor before submitting
>> them?
>> Thanks,Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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From munawarb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 17:04:33 2016
From: munawarb at gmail.com (Munawar Bijani)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:04:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
 correct
In-Reply-To: <AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>
References: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>
	<010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>
	<AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57166521.3070802@gmail.com>

When you open Microsoft Word, press INS+F1 twice quickly and you will 
see the Word section of JAWS help. It is a detailed list of commands and 
also contains information such as formatting documents, which is what 
you want.

On 4/19/2016 12:49 PM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
> But how do you follow it with Jaws?
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:30 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Find a format, and follow it.
>> I have one I'm sure I can send you.
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
>> correct
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is correct
>> without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor before submitting
>> them?
>> Thanks,Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 20:33:04 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:33:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
	correct
In-Reply-To: <5716648A.9020600@gmail.com>
References: <4A1FAE2A-8292-4857-B372-4471CBF1402E@gmail.com>	<010a01d19a58$c10dc640$432952c0$@gmail.com>	<AC0A4DDE-C68B-481A-ABFE-4ABF814E94FD@gmail.com>
	<5716648A.9020600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01a201d19a7a$ad345270$079cf750$@gmail.com>

You can use alt delete to determine the spacing and position of your cursor
in relation to the left and the top of the screen.
 Insert f is another good one just as was previously mentioned.
Just arrow down, and use the home key to get to the beginning of a line of
text and use alt delete to determine the position of the first letter of
text on that line in relationship to the left and to the top of the page.
 To keep the sake alignment, you can select the text, and type over it, but
be aware that sometimes, word will also remove the hard returns when you do
that.  You may have to put them back in.  

Justin
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Munawar Bijani
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 1:02 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Munawar Bijani <munawarb at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting is
correct

You can use various commands to get detailed layout information, one of
which is INS+F, which will give you font information.

On 4/19/2016 12:49 PM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
> But how do you follow it with Jaws?
>
> Amanda
>
>> On Apr 19, 2016, at 12:30 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Find a format, and follow it.
>> I have one I'm sure I can send you.
>> Justin
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda 
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2016 12:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Writing cover letters and ensuring that formatting 
>> is correct
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> When writing cover letters, how do you ensure that the formatting is 
>> correct without always showing it to a career counselor or advisor 
>> before submitting them?
>> Thanks,Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 03:02:10 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:02:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem
Message-ID: <5716f139.9184810a.976db.33b4@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I have an occasional problem when talking to people on my IPhone.  
Even if I stay in the exact same location, the quality of the 
voice of the person I am talking to changes.  It sounds very 
staticky and shaky, and will go in and out.  If I hang up and 
call them again, it's better for a little while.
I don't think it is the connection because the people on the 
other end of the phone don't have that problem with me and can 
hear me just fine.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
Vejas


From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 03:56:48 2016
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 23:56:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates for April Edition of NABS Notes
Message-ID: <3234F04A-5CB1-45B4-8BAF-F0696676915D@gmail.com>

Hello Fellow Students, 
If your state student division has any updates or announcements to share, please feel free to send them to hbwilliams16 at gmail.com to be included in the April edition of the NABS Notes. To ensure that your updates will be included, please send in all announcements no later than this Saturday, April 23. If you have any questions about updates, feel free to let me know. I look forward to reading and including your announcements! 
All Best, 
Hindley Williams                              

Sent from my iPhone

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 11:32:44 2016
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 07:32:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July
Message-ID: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>

Hello Fellow Federationists!

 

Finals are quickly approaching and I hope each of you are finishing off the
semester strong! 

I am writing today to announce my intention to seek the presidency of the
National Association of Blind Students.

 

Over the past two years, I have worked with NABS members and leaders both on
and off the board. For the first year, I served as a member of the
Fundraising and Legislative Committees. In July, 2015, I was elected
Secretary of NABS. Shortly thereafter, I assumed the role of treasurer in
order to fill an unexpected vacancy on our board. Over the past two years, I
have been blessed to work with many of you on numerous projects.

 

As Fundraising Chair, I am unbelievably proud to announce that NABS was able
to fund over 15 students to attend Washington Seminar, raising over $3,750
to make this happen. This was an initiative I worked hard for, and one I am
thrilled succeeded. I could not do this alone. The Fundraising Committee,
composed of several members off the NABS Board, as well as some great NABS
Board Members, worked tirelessly to reach our goal, while planning other
events for 2016. NABS would not have been able to sponsor several students
across the country without President Riccobono's generous commitment to
match NABS' financial commitment and without the help of Anil Lewis, Patti
Chang, and Parnell Diggs working with us to select the recipients, which
emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with our
national leaders. 

As a Computer Science minor at Wake Forest University, I quickly added the
task of NABS web master to my federation work, combining my personal and
academic interests to improve our website. As the Legislative Committee
Co-Chair, President Sean Whalen and I worked closely to collect over 160
equal-access-to-education testimonies. Throughout this endeavor, we worked
with our Governmental Affairs specialists in Baltimore, keeping the
Federation's priorities at the forefront of every decision made. 

 

While I am exceedingly proud of the work that I and our members, committees,
and fellow board members have done the past two years, there is always more
we can do. I am confident that I can energize, strengthen, and grow the
National Association of Blind Students. I want students to join us during
National Convention without the worry of finances lingering over our heads.
Just like the Washington Seminar Funding Program recently implemented, I
hope to replicate that for national Convention attendees.

 

Last November, the Connecticut affiliate partnered with NABS to put on the
very first Legislative Leadership Workshop for students. As part of the
planning committee, I hope to see these seminars expand to various other
states and will be working with affiliates to make it happen. Through
interaction, discussion, and learning, we gain knowledge and insight from
others in order to advocate effectively, perform exceptionally, and work
professionally. I am a leader and a team player. I love collaboration,
particularly amongst our state student divisions. While many seminars are
already in the works, modeling from the successful workshop last November, I
see promise in the effort put forth by students across our regions.

 

Several student divisions struggle with financially supporting the programs
and events we all dream to host. Look no further! With experience
fundraising and event planning, I will create a NABS program that student
divisions can apply to for stipends in order to host events in your home
states. If Florida, or any other state affiliate, wants to host a student
social for recruiting new talent, but money is tight, NABS should be able to
help fund these types of programs because we are here for our students, our
members, and our federation family.

 

Have you ever interacted with a NABS representative during a State
Convention? NABS wants to know what you think. As President, I plan on
creating a NABS Rep feedback form so student divisions and affiliate
leadership can reflect on their experiences. We are an organization driven
by our members and we want to provide mentors that are responsive to every
student concern and affiliate need. These forms will inform the NABS Board
of what was helpful, beneficial, less effective, and what we need to do to
best grow our student divisions and state affiliates.

            

These are some of the new programs that I hope to institute if I am so lucky
to earn your vote this summer.  In addition to my ideas and experience as a
Student Division President of North Carolina, a Connecticut Affiliate Board
Member, and NABS officer, I will also bring my unique leadership style to
NABS.  First and foremost, I believe that we, as students, must have strong
relationships with our organization's leadership.  The easiest way for
students to have an impact on the work of the Federation is to work hand in
hand with our affiliate and national leadership.  Second, I want to know
you. I care about personal connection in order to foster positive results. I
don't want to be a leader from a distance; I want to be your teammate, a
mentor, and a friend. Third, I will make sure that there is accountability
on the board.  We will be attentive to our membership, inclusive of
non-board members, have follow through with our commitments and work, and
will be responsive to other divisions, affiliates, and national leaders that
want to work with us.  Finally, I will make sure to continue to provide
opportunities to students who want to participate but are not elected to the
board.  This opportunity was what allowed me to get so involved with NABS
two years ago and is what helped me to develop the leadership skills I
believe the NABS board needs to continue the progress we've made.  

            

For these reasons, I'm asking for your vote to be the next President of
NABS.  If anyone has any questions, concerns, or ideas about NABS, as
always, I'm ready to hear them.  I'm looking forward to seeing you all at
convention in a little over two months! Let's go build the Federation!

 

Have a great Wednesday!

 

Best,

Kathryn

 

Kathryn Webster

Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 12:37:54 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 08:37:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July
In-Reply-To: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B91DAA0-3C36-4E49-8D0C-23E64A5296DA@gmail.com>

Dear Fellow NABSters:

I am truly excited to hear that Kathryn has chosen to run for the all-important office of NABS President, and I am proud and honored to offer my full support to her candidacy. As you know, I have been honored to serve as a NABS Board member for almost a year now, and I have learned many things from the experience. Perhaps the most important of these, however, is the vital importance of mentoring and the effect which personal interaction can have on the strength of our movement. Much of this knowledge has been gained from the inspiring example of Kathryn's leadership.

From the time I considered seeking a position on the NABS Board, Kathryn has been a consistent and trusted advisor. She has encouraged me to grow in my leadership and in my Federation work as a whole, often showing more confidence in me than I had in myself. As a Board member, I have seen firsthand Kathryn's tireless work on behalf of our movement, and have been inspired by her selfless dedication to NABS and our members. Despite her hectic schedule and her ever-increasing responsibilities, she still finds the time to encourage her fellow Board members as well as new members who are coming into our movement and looking for a way to get involved in our work. As a Board member, therefore, I have found Kathryn to be a dedicated, hardworking, compassionate and inspiring leader. I have complete confidence that she will maintain all these characteristics as NABS President.
Perhaps the most personally inspiring example of Kathryn's leadership, however, is her work as a national representative. When I invited Kathryn to Maryland, our student division had been in a period of stagnation for the past year. As we approached convention, our focus was on rebuilding and revitalizing our organization, once again making it an energetic and active contributor to the Federation. I already knew of Kathryn's motivational and charismatic leadership style, and I knew that she was the best national rep to help us rebuild. Her performance exceeded my most optomistic expectations. Her ever-positive presence at convention naturally drew many new students to her, and she personally encouraged many to become active participants in our work. But her personal involvement in our division in Maryland did not stop at convention. Since last November, she has remained a personal mentor to each of our Board members, participating in all our conference calls and fielding many calls from MDABS Board members seeking advice in both our Federation work and our personal life. Due to all that she has done to help us grow, all of us have Maryland have come to have a special affection for her, considering her as one of our own and loving her as a sister in the Federation.

In conclusion, Kathryn Webster is a true leader. She is inspiring, encouraging, wise, dedicated, and hardworking. Most importantly, however, she exudes the warmth and love which so characterizes our Federation family. In my Federation work, I consider her a mentor, motivator and role model—the kind of leader I would like to be. In my personal life, I consider her a trusted, compassionate friend in whom I can confide. I know she will bring all these characteristics to our organization, and that she will inspire all of us to make NABS a stronger, more vibrant organization. For these reasons, I am proud to support Kathryn Webster as the next President of NABS, and I would encourage you to do the same.

Yours in the movement,   

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Fellow Federationists!
> 
> 
> 
> Finals are quickly approaching and I hope each of you are finishing off the
> semester strong! 
> 
> I am writing today to announce my intention to seek the presidency of the
> National Association of Blind Students.
> 
> 
> 
> Over the past two years, I have worked with NABS members and leaders both on
> and off the board. For the first year, I served as a member of the
> Fundraising and Legislative Committees. In July, 2015, I was elected
> Secretary of NABS. Shortly thereafter, I assumed the role of treasurer in
> order to fill an unexpected vacancy on our board. Over the past two years, I
> have been blessed to work with many of you on numerous projects.
> 
> 
> 
> As Fundraising Chair, I am unbelievably proud to announce that NABS was able
> to fund over 15 students to attend Washington Seminar, raising over $3,750
> to make this happen. This was an initiative I worked hard for, and one I am
> thrilled succeeded. I could not do this alone. The Fundraising Committee,
> composed of several members off the NABS Board, as well as some great NABS
> Board Members, worked tirelessly to reach our goal, while planning other
> events for 2016. NABS would not have been able to sponsor several students
> across the country without President Riccobono's generous commitment to
> match NABS' financial commitment and without the help of Anil Lewis, Patti
> Chang, and Parnell Diggs working with us to select the recipients, which
> emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with our
> national leaders. 
> 
> As a Computer Science minor at Wake Forest University, I quickly added the
> task of NABS web master to my federation work, combining my personal and
> academic interests to improve our website. As the Legislative Committee
> Co-Chair, President Sean Whalen and I worked closely to collect over 160
> equal-access-to-education testimonies. Throughout this endeavor, we worked
> with our Governmental Affairs specialists in Baltimore, keeping the
> Federation's priorities at the forefront of every decision made. 
> 
> 
> 
> While I am exceedingly proud of the work that I and our members, committees,
> and fellow board members have done the past two years, there is always more
> we can do. I am confident that I can energize, strengthen, and grow the
> National Association of Blind Students. I want students to join us during
> National Convention without the worry of finances lingering over our heads.
> Just like the Washington Seminar Funding Program recently implemented, I
> hope to replicate that for national Convention attendees.
> 
> 
> 
> Last November, the Connecticut affiliate partnered with NABS to put on the
> very first Legislative Leadership Workshop for students. As part of the
> planning committee, I hope to see these seminars expand to various other
> states and will be working with affiliates to make it happen. Through
> interaction, discussion, and learning, we gain knowledge and insight from
> others in order to advocate effectively, perform exceptionally, and work
> professionally. I am a leader and a team player. I love collaboration,
> particularly amongst our state student divisions. While many seminars are
> already in the works, modeling from the successful workshop last November, I
> see promise in the effort put forth by students across our regions.
> 
> 
> 
> Several student divisions struggle with financially supporting the programs
> and events we all dream to host. Look no further! With experience
> fundraising and event planning, I will create a NABS program that student
> divisions can apply to for stipends in order to host events in your home
> states. If Florida, or any other state affiliate, wants to host a student
> social for recruiting new talent, but money is tight, NABS should be able to
> help fund these types of programs because we are here for our students, our
> members, and our federation family.
> 
> 
> 
> Have you ever interacted with a NABS representative during a State
> Convention? NABS wants to know what you think. As President, I plan on
> creating a NABS Rep feedback form so student divisions and affiliate
> leadership can reflect on their experiences. We are an organization driven
> by our members and we want to provide mentors that are responsive to every
> student concern and affiliate need. These forms will inform the NABS Board
> of what was helpful, beneficial, less effective, and what we need to do to
> best grow our student divisions and state affiliates.
> 
> 
> 
> These are some of the new programs that I hope to institute if I am so lucky
> to earn your vote this summer.  In addition to my ideas and experience as a
> Student Division President of North Carolina, a Connecticut Affiliate Board
> Member, and NABS officer, I will also bring my unique leadership style to
> NABS.  First and foremost, I believe that we, as students, must have strong
> relationships with our organization's leadership.  The easiest way for
> students to have an impact on the work of the Federation is to work hand in
> hand with our affiliate and national leadership.  Second, I want to know
> you. I care about personal connection in order to foster positive results. I
> don't want to be a leader from a distance; I want to be your teammate, a
> mentor, and a friend. Third, I will make sure that there is accountability
> on the board.  We will be attentive to our membership, inclusive of
> non-board members, have follow through with our commitments and work, and
> will be responsive to other divisions, affiliates, and national leaders that
> want to work with us.  Finally, I will make sure to continue to provide
> opportunities to students who want to participate but are not elected to the
> board.  This opportunity was what allowed me to get so involved with NABS
> two years ago and is what helped me to develop the leadership skills I
> believe the NABS board needs to continue the progress we've made.  
> 
> 
> 
> For these reasons, I'm asking for your vote to be the next President of
> NABS.  If anyone has any questions, concerns, or ideas about NABS, as
> always, I'm ready to hear them.  I'm looking forward to seeing you all at
> convention in a little over two months! Let's go build the Federation!
> 
> 
> 
> Have a great Wednesday!
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> 
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> (203) 273-8463
> 
> Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com
> 
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 13:16:50 2016
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 09:16:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] support for Kate Webster for NABS pPresident
Message-ID: <CAB4OJj6nGgaVeNiiO1XMUY0HCAwieF6Z95LPsbt60mgnjN6_Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS

My name is Nathan Clark and I am the Vice President and Legislative
Chairman for the Maryland Association of Blind Students and I am
officially supporting Kate Webster for NABS President. I have known
Kate for about a year now through her short time at the Louisiana
Center of the Blind and my time as Vice President of the Maryland
Association of Blind Students. Kate has been our national
representative here in Maryland and she has worked tirelessly to
build, grow and develop our state student division and the student
leaders here in Maryland. I know that Kate Webster as NABS President
can continue her hard work and dedication to NABS and the Federation
as a young vibrate and energetic leader. I consider her as my friend,
leader and a member of my Federation family. As NABS President I am
confident that Kate Webster will help grow the Student Division to
levels that it has never been to before. I hope the rest of NABS
realizes the rising leader that Kate Webster is and will continue to
be and elect her as NABS President at our National Convention in
Orlando, Florida this July. Thank you all for your time.

Sincerely,
Nathan Clark


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 15:09:42 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 11:09:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem
Message-ID: <57179be5.47c50d0a.21aa2.fffff0b3@mx.google.com>

Does this usually happen in a specific place?  It could be you 
just don't have good reception there.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:02:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem

Hi All,
I have an occasional problem when talking to people on my IPhone.
Even if I stay in the exact same location, the quality of the
voice of the person I am talking to changes.  It sounds very
staticky and shaky, and will go in and out.  If I hang up and
call them again, it's better for a little while.
I don't think it is the connection because the people on the
other end of the phone don't have that problem with me and can
hear me just fine.
I would appreciate your thoughts.
Vejas

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From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 16:47:34 2016
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 12:47:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem
In-Reply-To: <57179be5.47c50d0a.21aa2.fffff0b3@mx.google.com>
References: <57179be5.47c50d0a.21aa2.fffff0b3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACOe-GVP4HGMU7OyxG5SiNidYvU=81F0Oysj1=Po0f4ez3XQvg@mail.gmail.com>

it coulc be a number of things.  It could be your reception, so I
would check your bar count next time you notice it.  Did you try
restarting the phone?  I know it sounds like a stupid suggestion, but
a lot of times just restarting something can fix a lot of problems.
If that doesn't work, try resetting your carrier settings.  to do
this, head to settings, general, and you should find it in about I
believe.  I have not done it in a while so I could be wrong, but its
not hard to find.  that helps refresh your device on your network.  if
that doesn't work after a while you may have to try a restore.  I
don't like restoring as much as anyone else, but starting fresh may
help flush out the issue your having.  hope this helps.

On 4/20/16, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Does this usually happen in a specific place?  It could be you
> just don't have good reception there.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:02:10 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem
>
> Hi All,
> I have an occasional problem when talking to people on my IPhone.
> Even if I stay in the exact same location, the quality of the
> voice of the person I am talking to changes.  It sounds very
> staticky and shaky, and will go in and out.  If I hang up and
> call them again, it's better for a little while.
> I don't think it is the connection because the people on the
> other end of the phone don't have that problem with me and can
> hear me just fine.
> I would appreciate your thoughts.
> Vejas
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 17:41:25 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:41:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Community-service] April's Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <162DB5D0-DF00-4300-B5B4-F16D8579A63B@houghton.edu>
References: <CA0F9BAB-9DFD-45A2-AA58-20EBF22EF69B@nfbcommunityservice.org>
	<DC01783B-C541-41C0-B170-AF0A799DDB8E@gmail.com>
	<D9D50CB9-3504-446E-BC4F-A218065D155A@gmail.com>
	<162DB5D0-DF00-4300-B5B4-F16D8579A63B@houghton.edu>
Message-ID: <F9FC9619-E01A-4CFC-8A4F-753A5CFDCD1B@gmail.com>

Unfortunately there will not be notes from this call.

 As we will be talking about a program the division is looking to kick off in May, details of this update will be made known  within the next  few days.

 If you have any other questions about the division I would suggest directing them to president at nfbcommunityservice.org 
 Is there  
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 12:03 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would like to know this as well.
> 
> 
> God bless.--Christina
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 14:35, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are there notes on the meetings or something?  I would like to join but was unable to last time and most likely cannot do so this next call either.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2016, at 11:03 AM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Darian Smith via Community-service <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: April 15, 2016 at 8:38:40 PM PDT
>>>> To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Darian Smith <president at nfbcommunityservice.org>
>>>> Subject: [Community-service] April's Membership Call
>>>> Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List <community-service at nfbnet.org>
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Please  Join the National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division for our April membership call.
>>>> We  are going to talk about a program that we are excited to start for you in May.
>>>> We are also going to talk about a few tried and true websites you can use if you want to get involved in community service projects in  your local area.
>>>> So Please join us on Wednesday April 20 at 8 pm eastern time.
>>>> The Call-in information is as follows: (712)432-0140 and the access code is 808277.
>>>> We look forward to hearing you on the call!
>>>> Best,
>>>> Darian
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Darian Smith
>>>> President, National Federation  of the Blind Community Service Division
>>>> 
>>>> Web: www.nfbcommunityservice.org
>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @NFBCSDivision, at goldengateace
>>>> 
>>>> Facebook: search for “National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division"
>>>> 
>>>> E-mail: president at nfbcommunityservice.org
>>>> 
>>>> (415)215-9809
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>>>> “We need your service, right now, at this moment - our moment - in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be; that's for you to discover. But I am going to ask you to play your part; ask you to stand up; ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history” — Barack Obama 
>>>> Help drive change for the blind .
>>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
>>>> “
>>>> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Apr 20 17:45:15 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:45:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re:  Possible Iphone Problem
In-Reply-To: <CACOe-GVP4HGMU7OyxG5SiNidYvU=81F0Oysj1=Po0f4ez3XQvg@mail.g
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Good morning, Christofer,

         You are right, I think, when you suggest restarting the 
device, particularly phones. Restarting your phone can do wonders.
Car/2016, you wrote:
>it coulc be a number of things.  It could be your reception, so I
>would check your bar count next time you notice it.  Did you try
>restarting the phone?  I know it sounds like a stupid suggestion, but
>a lot of times just restarting something can fix a lot of problems.
>If that doesn't work, try resetting your carrier settings.  to do
>this, head to settings, general, and you should find it in about I
>believe.  I have not done it in a while so I could be wrong, but its
>not hard to find.  that helps refresh your device on your network.  if
>that doesn't work after a while you may have to try a restore.  I
>don't like restoring as much as anyone else, but starting fresh may
>help flush out the issue your having.  hope this helps.
>
>On 4/20/16, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Does this usually happen in a specific place?  It could be you
> > just don't have good reception there.
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 22:02:10 -0500
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Possible Iphone Problem
> >
> > Hi All,
> > I have an occasional problem when talking to people on my IPhone.
> > Even if I stay in the exact same location, the quality of the
> > voice of the person I am talking to changes.  It sounds very
> > staticky and shaky, and will go in and out.  If I hang up and
> > call them again, it's better for a little while.
> > I don't think it is the connection because the people on the
> > other end of the phone don't have that problem with me and can
> > hear me just fine.
> > I would appreciate your thoughts.
> > Vejas
> >
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From discoduck221 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 21 00:58:56 2016
From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 20:58:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July
In-Reply-To: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Wnc9SogY6cjqcvVp7XpGsCBk4M55kxyDWtt38M2YiVVB5Keg@mail.gmail.com>

I wanted you to know you have my support in your campaign to be the
next nabs president.
Because you know we're all about that Kathryn, about that Kathryn
named Webster...
I wish you all the luck in the world. Let me know if there's anything
I can do to help you


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 21 20:03:00 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 16:03:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July
In-Reply-To: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
References: <000001d19af8$5ba03d10$12e0b730$@gmail.com>
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You have my full support.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 20, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Fellow Federationists!
> 
> 
> 
> Finals are quickly approaching and I hope each of you are finishing off the
> semester strong! 
> 
> I am writing today to announce my intention to seek the presidency of the
> National Association of Blind Students.
> 
> 
> 
> Over the past two years, I have worked with NABS members and leaders both on
> and off the board. For the first year, I served as a member of the
> Fundraising and Legislative Committees. In July, 2015, I was elected
> Secretary of NABS. Shortly thereafter, I assumed the role of treasurer in
> order to fill an unexpected vacancy on our board. Over the past two years, I
> have been blessed to work with many of you on numerous projects.
> 
> 
> 
> As Fundraising Chair, I am unbelievably proud to announce that NABS was able
> to fund over 15 students to attend Washington Seminar, raising over $3,750
> to make this happen. This was an initiative I worked hard for, and one I am
> thrilled succeeded. I could not do this alone. The Fundraising Committee,
> composed of several members off the NABS Board, as well as some great NABS
> Board Members, worked tirelessly to reach our goal, while planning other
> events for 2016. NABS would not have been able to sponsor several students
> across the country without President Riccobono's generous commitment to
> match NABS' financial commitment and without the help of Anil Lewis, Patti
> Chang, and Parnell Diggs working with us to select the recipients, which
> emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with our
> national leaders. 
> 
> As a Computer Science minor at Wake Forest University, I quickly added the
> task of NABS web master to my federation work, combining my personal and
> academic interests to improve our website. As the Legislative Committee
> Co-Chair, President Sean Whalen and I worked closely to collect over 160
> equal-access-to-education testimonies. Throughout this endeavor, we worked
> with our Governmental Affairs specialists in Baltimore, keeping the
> Federation's priorities at the forefront of every decision made. 
> 
> 
> 
> While I am exceedingly proud of the work that I and our members, committees,
> and fellow board members have done the past two years, there is always more
> we can do. I am confident that I can energize, strengthen, and grow the
> National Association of Blind Students. I want students to join us during
> National Convention without the worry of finances lingering over our heads.
> Just like the Washington Seminar Funding Program recently implemented, I
> hope to replicate that for national Convention attendees.
> 
> 
> 
> Last November, the Connecticut affiliate partnered with NABS to put on the
> very first Legislative Leadership Workshop for students. As part of the
> planning committee, I hope to see these seminars expand to various other
> states and will be working with affiliates to make it happen. Through
> interaction, discussion, and learning, we gain knowledge and insight from
> others in order to advocate effectively, perform exceptionally, and work
> professionally. I am a leader and a team player. I love collaboration,
> particularly amongst our state student divisions. While many seminars are
> already in the works, modeling from the successful workshop last November, I
> see promise in the effort put forth by students across our regions.
> 
> 
> 
> Several student divisions struggle with financially supporting the programs
> and events we all dream to host. Look no further! With experience
> fundraising and event planning, I will create a NABS program that student
> divisions can apply to for stipends in order to host events in your home
> states. If Florida, or any other state affiliate, wants to host a student
> social for recruiting new talent, but money is tight, NABS should be able to
> help fund these types of programs because we are here for our students, our
> members, and our federation family.
> 
> 
> 
> Have you ever interacted with a NABS representative during a State
> Convention? NABS wants to know what you think. As President, I plan on
> creating a NABS Rep feedback form so student divisions and affiliate
> leadership can reflect on their experiences. We are an organization driven
> by our members and we want to provide mentors that are responsive to every
> student concern and affiliate need. These forms will inform the NABS Board
> of what was helpful, beneficial, less effective, and what we need to do to
> best grow our student divisions and state affiliates.
> 
> 
> 
> These are some of the new programs that I hope to institute if I am so lucky
> to earn your vote this summer.  In addition to my ideas and experience as a
> Student Division President of North Carolina, a Connecticut Affiliate Board
> Member, and NABS officer, I will also bring my unique leadership style to
> NABS.  First and foremost, I believe that we, as students, must have strong
> relationships with our organization's leadership.  The easiest way for
> students to have an impact on the work of the Federation is to work hand in
> hand with our affiliate and national leadership.  Second, I want to know
> you. I care about personal connection in order to foster positive results. I
> don't want to be a leader from a distance; I want to be your teammate, a
> mentor, and a friend. Third, I will make sure that there is accountability
> on the board.  We will be attentive to our membership, inclusive of
> non-board members, have follow through with our commitments and work, and
> will be responsive to other divisions, affiliates, and national leaders that
> want to work with us.  Finally, I will make sure to continue to provide
> opportunities to students who want to participate but are not elected to the
> board.  This opportunity was what allowed me to get so involved with NABS
> two years ago and is what helped me to develop the leadership skills I
> believe the NABS board needs to continue the progress we've made.  
> 
> 
> 
> For these reasons, I'm asking for your vote to be the next President of
> NABS.  If anyone has any questions, concerns, or ideas about NABS, as
> always, I'm ready to hear them.  I'm looking forward to seeing you all at
> convention in a little over two months! Let's go build the Federation!
> 
> 
> 
> Have a great Wednesday!
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Kathryn
> 
> 
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> (203) 273-8463
> 
> Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com
> 
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 01:40:31 2016
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 20:40:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] April Membership Call: Washington Seminar Flashback
Message-ID: <CAKQ+Jjz48PgnF1WZc3=uLjE41HsGYE=ZfyGBRyhzj3HDrpc7NA@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings NABS,

The NABS meeting at Washington Seminar is one of the few times when we
are able to have small group discussions about topics that students
are interested in. The other time when we can have these discussions
is on our bi-monthly membership calls. In an effort to give you a
chance to experience the breakout sessions that we hold at Washington
Seminar the NABS Membership Committee will be holding this month's
call on a topic that was covered at Washington Seminar; getting
involved on campus. In addition to a discussion led by three of our
NABS board members, Kathryn Webster, Micheal Ausbun,a nd Chris
Nusbaum, we will also have an update on the legislative issues covered
at Washington Seminar by Government Affairs Sppecialist, Gabe Cazares.
Here are the details of the call:

When: This sunday, April 24th at 7 p.m eastern (6 central, 5 mountain,
4 pacific)
Where: NABS conference line 605-475-6700 code: 7869673

Looking forward to talking to you all on Sunday!

Best,

Candice


From haleysumner97 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 17:07:59 2016
From: haleysumner97 at gmail.com (Haley Sumner)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:07:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class
Message-ID: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Hope your semesters are finishing strong with as little  stress as possible. I will be a sophomore in the fall at butler university, and in achieving my goal of obtaining a Spanish minor upon graduation, I will be taking my first, Of   many Spanish classes. For those of you who have taken Spanish, I am curious as to how you accessed and read your textbook. My disability office is having trouble converting the book from a PDF file to a plain text document, as the accent marks aren't transferring over. Since I am primarily a brailled reader, I was wondering if you had any suggestions or recommendations on alternative ways to make the book accessible , so I can then save it onto my Braille sense. Digital copies are wonderful, but if they aren't able to transfer all of the symbols, would the kurzweil software be an option for reading via audio? 
Thanks so much,   

Haley Sumner 

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 17:13:36 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 12:13:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class
In-Reply-To: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
References: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <804F864F-61A5-4905-BD36-674F6E4156CA@gmail.com>

Hey haven't heard from you in a long tim!  not sure how well that would work if it is audio… I do remember having kind of the same difficulty as you but that was a while back! Give me a call one day :-)

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Apr 22, 2016, at 12:07, Haley Sumner via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope your semesters are finishing strong with as little  stress as possible. I will be a sophomore in the fall at butler university, and in achieving my goal of obtaining a Spanish minor upon graduation, I will be taking my first, Of   many Spanish classes. For those of you who have taken Spanish, I am curious as to how you accessed and read your textbook. My disability office is having trouble converting the book from a PDF file to a plain text document, as the accent marks aren't transferring over. Since I am primarily a brailled reader, I was wondering if you had any suggestions or recommendations on alternative ways to make the book accessible , so I can then save it onto my Braille sense. Digital copies are wonderful, but if they aren't able to transfer all of the symbols, would the kurzweil software be an option for reading via audio? 
> Thanks so much,   
> 
> Haley Sumner 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 17:20:18 2016
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 13:20:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class
In-Reply-To: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
References: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECD84BEC-B1FF-436E-95D0-0860323BA605@gmail.com>

Have you checked to see if the book is able to be read by human narrator? My disabilities service office provided me with a foreign language books read by either my professor or another speaker of whatever language I was studying… Either Spanish or German… this was helpful, because I could then understand the pronunciations better… 

Hope Paulos

> On Apr 22, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Haley Sumner via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope your semesters are finishing strong with as little  stress as possible. I will be a sophomore in the fall at butler university, and in achieving my goal of obtaining a Spanish minor upon graduation, I will be taking my first, Of   many Spanish classes. For those of you who have taken Spanish, I am curious as to how you accessed and read your textbook. My disability office is having trouble converting the book from a PDF file to a plain text document, as the accent marks aren't transferring over. Since I am primarily a brailled reader, I was wondering if you had any suggestions or recommendations on alternative ways to make the book accessible , so I can then save it onto my Braille sense. Digital copies are wonderful, but if they aren't able to transfer all of the symbols, would the kurzweil software be an option for reading via audio? 
> Thanks so much,   
> 
> Haley Sumner 
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Fri Apr 22 20:36:04 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 14:36:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class
In-Reply-To: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
References: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401d19cd6$97ce0210$c76a0630$@gmail.com>

Haley,
I've taken many Spanish classes since Spanish is my second major.
First of all, what text book are you going to be using? In my school for
Spanish one, two, and three we were using  Vista. The office of Disability
Services in my school did not have any trouble converting my books to TXT
format. Accent marks display correctly, and I  read everything on my Braille
Note.
You feel free to contact me off list if you have more questions or if you
need any help.
Best,
Anya

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Haley Sumner
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:08 AM
To: NABS List
Cc: Haley Sumner
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class

Hi all,
Hope your semesters are finishing strong with as little  stress as possible.
I will be a sophomore in the fall at butler university, and in achieving my
goal of obtaining a Spanish minor upon graduation, I will be taking my
first, Of   many Spanish classes. For those of you who have taken Spanish, I
am curious as to how you accessed and read your textbook. My disability
office is having trouble converting the book from a PDF file to a plain text
document, as the accent marks aren't transferring over. Since I am primarily
a brailled reader, I was wondering if you had any suggestions or
recommendations on alternative ways to make the book accessible , so I can
then save it onto my Braille sense. Digital copies are wonderful, but if
they aren't able to transfer all of the symbols, would the kurzweil software
be an option for reading via audio? 
Thanks so much,   

Haley Sumner 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 02:22:58 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:22:58 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Suggestions for textbook for a fall Spanish class
In-Reply-To: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
References: <28C7C52F-67B4-408B-9628-2A30F2D0038F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1175BEB-8954-4D66-9673-50EDF192A843@gmail.com>

For my Spanish class, the disability services got publisher files and it read correctly with JAWS set on Spanish setting.  But it was really hard for me to understand since I was not used to listening to JAWS speak in Spanish.  So I had to slow it way down and often go character by character to see how things were spelled and things like that.  I used a reader who knew Spanish.  I am unable use braille because of other medical problems, but if I had been able to use braille, I would have done that even if it meant getting the book transcribed into braille.  
I used tutors as readers sometimes too.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 22, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Haley Sumner via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope your semesters are finishing strong with as little  stress as possible. I will be a sophomore in the fall at butler university, and in achieving my goal of obtaining a Spanish minor upon graduation, I will be taking my first, Of   many Spanish classes. For those of you who have taken Spanish, I am curious as to how you accessed and read your textbook. My disability office is having trouble converting the book from a PDF file to a plain text document, as the accent marks aren't transferring over. Since I am primarily a brailled reader, I was wondering if you had any suggestions or recommendations on alternative ways to make the book accessible , so I can then save it onto my Braille sense. Digital copies are wonderful, but if they aren't able to transfer all of the symbols, would the kurzweil software be an option for reading via audio? 
> Thanks so much,   
> 
> Haley Sumner 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 02:45:11 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:45:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] a possible bug in ios 9.3.1
Message-ID: <571ae1d1.10a8420a.6c965.5db9@mx.google.com>

Ghello, I use 2 factor authentication with my iphone.  Today I 
wanted to make changes.  It didn't ask for any apple id password 
or something.  I went to devices section and expected security 
questions prompt, but I get straight into the devices.  I can 
even change the password without knowing the old one if someone 
knows my passcode.  If I know the passcode of someone elses 
phone, I can just hack their account, change their password then 
using the itunes and app store.  Where do I report this bug?


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 03:12:59 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 23:12:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that
works for the apartment company today and really like what I saw in
the viewing.  It looks like it will be a pretty good living situation,
and although I've enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to
having a little more control over my space (No more randomly moving
things in the fridge, unexpected changes in the thermostat, etc).

I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but
I thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little
disheartened when I found the company didn't have an electronic way
for me to complete the apartment application.  The agent was nice
enough to fill out most of it with me and was amenable to having my
parents scan the completed copy as a PDF and email in their co-signer
portion since they're in a different city, but as far as me filling it
out in an accessible format she didn't seem to know of a way to make
it work without messing up the formatting of the application form.
I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
was pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
accessible copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if
necessary while I am in the property.  I understand that having
independent access to this kind of documentation is very important,
and want to make sure I start working with the company in advance if
necessary.

My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic
copy of the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it
with me in a format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to
tell them if they have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere
else to be brailled would that come out of their pocket or my own?

Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere
in their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an
accessible copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure
who's responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that
working out if they were unable to make the application available to
me in a format I can use.  I really don't mind the application, but I
honestly don't want to sit down with a reader and go through a 60-plus
page document if I can help it.  2 pages are one thing, ut from what I
understand leases are much longer.

Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 04:28:36 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 22:28:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92A304FC-9FB8-4725-808E-255122B38084@gmail.com>

Kaiti,
I am not sure of the specific legal regulations and such, but I thought I would share with you what I do know and what I thought of when reading your email.
1. Explain to your landlord, manager, etc accessible ways of giving you information and making the facility equally accessible to you.  This gives them the opportunity to do their best to accomodate you up front.
2.  Leases are not all that long, maybe 3 or 4 pages and they are pretty straightforward.  Their format is typically very different than applications because the lease is more of a regular text document like with sentences and paragraphs and such whereas an application has lines and boxes to fill in information.  So scanning a lease should be different.  An option would be to get the paper copy and use the KNFB reader, or some sort of scanning software to save it to your computer or braille display or whatever.  Using these methods you would have your electronic version and the paper copy for future reference and to keep in your records. When you initially go over the lease, I personally always want someone I trust to come along as my reader.  Usually you go over the lease and sign it with the landlord or manager before moving in, and if you just have them read it to you, you don't know for sure if they are skipping anything or something like that.  I would bring a reader so that your trusted reader can read through it with you and your landlord and you can stop and ask questions to the landlord or manager as they arise. 
3. Although you should always keep your lease in your records until you are long gone from the place, you most likely won't ever need that document ever again.  So going over with the reader before you move in should be enough.  If for some unusual reason you needed to access it again, you could always use a reader again, if you did only have the paper version.
4. Although you obviously have the right to fight for accessibility in relation to your lease.  The lease would be the least of my worries.  Things that I would be more concerned about are, how do they require tenants to pay rent?  Some companies require tenants to pay online, and this may or may not be accessible.  Or even if they don't require online payment, I would want to make sure that I had equal access as far as paying rent.  Can you write a check?  Do you have to use some other form? Etc.
To me, that would be a bigger issue.
5. It seems from your email like they probably are trying to be accommodating but don't really get how to do that.  I'm sure you know to do this, but I just always start having a dialogue with them from the beginning about accessibility, accommodations, ADA, etc.  nothing major, just little tips here and there so they understand that it is something they need to keep in mind.  They can't put a notice on you door saying there going to have someone come spray for bugs the next day.  If you can't read print, that obviously won't work.  These are things they need to think about.  So sn ongoing dialogue is something I find to be very useful with people that are trying to be accommodating but don't know how.

Those are my thoughts.  I hope that helps a little bit.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that
> works for the apartment company today and really like what I saw in
> the viewing.  It looks like it will be a pretty good living situation,
> and although I've enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to
> having a little more control over my space (No more randomly moving
> things in the fridge, unexpected changes in the thermostat, etc).
> 
> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but
> I thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little
> disheartened when I found the company didn't have an electronic way
> for me to complete the apartment application.  The agent was nice
> enough to fill out most of it with me and was amenable to having my
> parents scan the completed copy as a PDF and email in their co-signer
> portion since they're in a different city, but as far as me filling it
> out in an accessible format she didn't seem to know of a way to make
> it work without messing up the formatting of the application form.
> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
> was pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
> accessible copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if
> necessary while I am in the property.  I understand that having
> independent access to this kind of documentation is very important,
> and want to make sure I start working with the company in advance if
> necessary.
> 
> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic
> copy of the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it
> with me in a format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to
> tell them if they have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere
> else to be brailled would that come out of their pocket or my own?
> 
> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere
> in their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an
> accessible copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure
> who's responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that
> working out if they were unable to make the application available to
> me in a format I can use.  I really don't mind the application, but I
> honestly don't want to sit down with a reader and go through a 60-plus
> page document if I can help it.  2 pages are one thing, ut from what I
> understand leases are much longer.
> 
> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 16:13:11 2016
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:13:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
In-Reply-To: <92A304FC-9FB8-4725-808E-255122B38084@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<92A304FC-9FB8-4725-808E-255122B38084@gmail.com>
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Hi Kaiti,

I agree with Anna about the lease. While it is an important document
that you certainly want to keep on hand, it is not something you will
need to refer to often if everything goes well. I would suggest
bringing a trusted sighted person to the lease signing and, if you
have a scanner and an OCR program at home, you can simply bring the
paper copy home with you and convert it into electronic format for
your own records (because the lease is not a form that you need to
fill out, it does not matter if the formatting gets altered in the
scanning process). With regard to paying rent, I would highly
recommend utilizing the on-line payment services of your bank. Most
major banks (e.g., Chase, Bank of America) allows you to send a
payment to an individual: All you need to do is enter the name and
address of the recipient, along with any identifying information
(e.g., your name and apartment number) and a dollar amount, and the
bank will send a check on your behalf using funds from your checking
account. I'm guessing that you might already know this from previous
rent-paying experience but thought I would share the tip just in case.
Hope this helps!

Katie


On 4/23/16, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti,
> I am not sure of the specific legal regulations and such, but I thought I
> would share with you what I do know and what I thought of when reading your
> email.
> 1. Explain to your landlord, manager, etc accessible ways of giving you
> information and making the facility equally accessible to you.  This gives
> them the opportunity to do their best to accomodate you up front.
> 2.  Leases are not all that long, maybe 3 or 4 pages and they are pretty
> straightforward.  Their format is typically very different than applications
> because the lease is more of a regular text document like with sentences and
> paragraphs and such whereas an application has lines and boxes to fill in
> information.  So scanning a lease should be different.  An option would be
> to get the paper copy and use the KNFB reader, or some sort of scanning
> software to save it to your computer or braille display or whatever.  Using
> these methods you would have your electronic version and the paper copy for
> future reference and to keep in your records. When you initially go over the
> lease, I personally always want someone I trust to come along as my reader.
> Usually you go over the lease and sign it with the landlord or manager
> before moving in, and if you just have them read it to you, you don't know
> for sure if they are skipping anything or something like that.  I would
> bring a reader so that your trusted reader can read through it with you and
> your landlord and you can stop and ask questions to the landlord or manager
> as they arise.
> 3. Although you should always keep your lease in your records until you are
> long gone from the place, you most likely won't ever need that document ever
> again.  So going over with the reader before you move in should be enough.
> If for some unusual reason you needed to access it again, you could always
> use a reader again, if you did only have the paper version.
> 4. Although you obviously have the right to fight for accessibility in
> relation to your lease.  The lease would be the least of my worries.  Things
> that I would be more concerned about are, how do they require tenants to pay
> rent?  Some companies require tenants to pay online, and this may or may not
> be accessible.  Or even if they don't require online payment, I would want
> to make sure that I had equal access as far as paying rent.  Can you write a
> check?  Do you have to use some other form? Etc.
> To me, that would be a bigger issue.
> 5. It seems from your email like they probably are trying to be
> accommodating but don't really get how to do that.  I'm sure you know to do
> this, but I just always start having a dialogue with them from the beginning
> about accessibility, accommodations, ADA, etc.  nothing major, just little
> tips here and there so they understand that it is something they need to
> keep in mind.  They can't put a notice on you door saying there going to
> have someone come spray for bugs the next day.  If you can't read print,
> that obviously won't work.  These are things they need to think about.  So
> sn ongoing dialogue is something I find to be very useful with people that
> are trying to be accommodating but don't know how.
>
> Those are my thoughts.  I hope that helps a little bit.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
>> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
>> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that
>> works for the apartment company today and really like what I saw in
>> the viewing.  It looks like it will be a pretty good living situation,
>> and although I've enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to
>> having a little more control over my space (No more randomly moving
>> things in the fridge, unexpected changes in the thermostat, etc).
>>
>> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
>> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but
>> I thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little
>> disheartened when I found the company didn't have an electronic way
>> for me to complete the apartment application.  The agent was nice
>> enough to fill out most of it with me and was amenable to having my
>> parents scan the completed copy as a PDF and email in their co-signer
>> portion since they're in a different city, but as far as me filling it
>> out in an accessible format she didn't seem to know of a way to make
>> it work without messing up the formatting of the application form.
>> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
>> was pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
>> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
>> accessible copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if
>> necessary while I am in the property.  I understand that having
>> independent access to this kind of documentation is very important,
>> and want to make sure I start working with the company in advance if
>> necessary.
>>
>> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic
>> copy of the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it
>> with me in a format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to
>> tell them if they have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere
>> else to be brailled would that come out of their pocket or my own?
>>
>> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere
>> in their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an
>> accessible copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure
>> who's responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that
>> working out if they were unable to make the application available to
>> me in a format I can use.  I really don't mind the application, but I
>> honestly don't want to sit down with a reader and go through a 60-plus
>> page document if I can help it.  2 pages are one thing, ut from what I
>> understand leases are much longer.
>>
>> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 15:41:16 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 11:41:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Aftershokz headphones
Message-ID: <68ED0B0A-CA17-4BA3-82C7-8889A068EEBA@gmail.com>



Hello,
Does anyone use Aftershokz headphones? Which model should I get?
Thanks,Amanda


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 17:28:42 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:28:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
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	<92A304FC-9FB8-4725-808E-255122B38084@gmail.com>
	<CA+6VNgP_qXPOrQWonmuDkqSzYuwH99E+e0aWUjGTdTwYwZGNbw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Thanks for the feedback thus far  I've actually never been in a
situation where I've needed to pay rent before, so this is all new to
me.  Though I did have an apartment my sophomore year and have lived
in my fraternity's house for the past 2 school years, housing payments
were lumped in with my tuition so I didn't exactly get the "on your
own in an apartment with bills to pay" experience.

I did talk to the leasing agent about how to pay the rent (there is an
online payment option but you can also write checks), and getting
email or text notifications/phone calls about things like maintenance
work so I can be forewarned in an accessible way.  Thankfully they are
willing at least for now to do that.  I also do have the KNFB reader,
so I could make use of it as has been suggested.  From other friends I
have who live in apartments I heard that the lease was a considerably
larger document for them, which is why I was concerned primarily about
having it in an accessible format.  If it is usually 4-5 pages or
less, then I'm much less worried about it.

Any other suggestions/tips/things I should be thinking about would be
appreciated.  I'm submitting my application tomorrow.

On 4/23/16, Katie Wang via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
>
> I agree with Anna about the lease. While it is an important document
> that you certainly want to keep on hand, it is not something you will
> need to refer to often if everything goes well. I would suggest
> bringing a trusted sighted person to the lease signing and, if you
> have a scanner and an OCR program at home, you can simply bring the
> paper copy home with you and convert it into electronic format for
> your own records (because the lease is not a form that you need to
> fill out, it does not matter if the formatting gets altered in the
> scanning process). With regard to paying rent, I would highly
> recommend utilizing the on-line payment services of your bank. Most
> major banks (e.g., Chase, Bank of America) allows you to send a
> payment to an individual: All you need to do is enter the name and
> address of the recipient, along with any identifying information
> (e.g., your name and apartment number) and a dollar amount, and the
> bank will send a check on your behalf using funds from your checking
> account. I'm guessing that you might already know this from previous
> rent-paying experience but thought I would share the tip just in case.
> Hope this helps!
>
> Katie
>
>
> On 4/23/16, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kaiti,
>> I am not sure of the specific legal regulations and such, but I thought I
>> would share with you what I do know and what I thought of when reading
>> your
>> email.
>> 1. Explain to your landlord, manager, etc accessible ways of giving you
>> information and making the facility equally accessible to you.  This
>> gives
>> them the opportunity to do their best to accomodate you up front.
>> 2.  Leases are not all that long, maybe 3 or 4 pages and they are pretty
>> straightforward.  Their format is typically very different than
>> applications
>> because the lease is more of a regular text document like with sentences
>> and
>> paragraphs and such whereas an application has lines and boxes to fill in
>> information.  So scanning a lease should be different.  An option would
>> be
>> to get the paper copy and use the KNFB reader, or some sort of scanning
>> software to save it to your computer or braille display or whatever.
>> Using
>> these methods you would have your electronic version and the paper copy
>> for
>> future reference and to keep in your records. When you initially go over
>> the
>> lease, I personally always want someone I trust to come along as my
>> reader.
>> Usually you go over the lease and sign it with the landlord or manager
>> before moving in, and if you just have them read it to you, you don't
>> know
>> for sure if they are skipping anything or something like that.  I would
>> bring a reader so that your trusted reader can read through it with you
>> and
>> your landlord and you can stop and ask questions to the landlord or
>> manager
>> as they arise.
>> 3. Although you should always keep your lease in your records until you
>> are
>> long gone from the place, you most likely won't ever need that document
>> ever
>> again.  So going over with the reader before you move in should be
>> enough.
>> If for some unusual reason you needed to access it again, you could
>> always
>> use a reader again, if you did only have the paper version.
>> 4. Although you obviously have the right to fight for accessibility in
>> relation to your lease.  The lease would be the least of my worries.
>> Things
>> that I would be more concerned about are, how do they require tenants to
>> pay
>> rent?  Some companies require tenants to pay online, and this may or may
>> not
>> be accessible.  Or even if they don't require online payment, I would
>> want
>> to make sure that I had equal access as far as paying rent.  Can you write
>> a
>> check?  Do you have to use some other form? Etc.
>> To me, that would be a bigger issue.
>> 5. It seems from your email like they probably are trying to be
>> accommodating but don't really get how to do that.  I'm sure you know to
>> do
>> this, but I just always start having a dialogue with them from the
>> beginning
>> about accessibility, accommodations, ADA, etc.  nothing major, just
>> little
>> tips here and there so they understand that it is something they need to
>> keep in mind.  They can't put a notice on you door saying there going to
>> have someone come spray for bugs the next day.  If you can't read print,
>> that obviously won't work.  These are things they need to think about.
>> So
>> sn ongoing dialogue is something I find to be very useful with people
>> that
>> are trying to be accommodating but don't know how.
>>
>> Those are my thoughts.  I hope that helps a little bit.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 22, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
>>> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that
>>> works for the apartment company today and really like what I saw in
>>> the viewing.  It looks like it will be a pretty good living situation,
>>> and although I've enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to
>>> having a little more control over my space (No more randomly moving
>>> things in the fridge, unexpected changes in the thermostat, etc).
>>>
>>> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
>>> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but
>>> I thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little
>>> disheartened when I found the company didn't have an electronic way
>>> for me to complete the apartment application.  The agent was nice
>>> enough to fill out most of it with me and was amenable to having my
>>> parents scan the completed copy as a PDF and email in their co-signer
>>> portion since they're in a different city, but as far as me filling it
>>> out in an accessible format she didn't seem to know of a way to make
>>> it work without messing up the formatting of the application form.
>>> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
>>> was pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
>>> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
>>> accessible copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if
>>> necessary while I am in the property.  I understand that having
>>> independent access to this kind of documentation is very important,
>>> and want to make sure I start working with the company in advance if
>>> necessary.
>>>
>>> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic
>>> copy of the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it
>>> with me in a format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to
>>> tell them if they have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere
>>> else to be brailled would that come out of their pocket or my own?
>>>
>>> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere
>>> in their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an
>>> accessible copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure
>>> who's responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that
>>> working out if they were unable to make the application available to
>>> me in a format I can use.  I really don't mind the application, but I
>>> honestly don't want to sit down with a reader and go through a 60-plus
>>> page document if I can help it.  2 pages are one thing, ut from what I
>>> understand leases are much longer.
>>>
>>> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Apr 24 17:31:59 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:31:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Re: Research Participant Recruitment - Online
 Survey - Win $50.00 (last reminder)
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Good morning, Elizabeth,

         Perhaps, but those other factors, I reckon, are not the aim 
of this particular study and aare therefore, irrelevant.
Car At 12:43 PM 3/11/2016, you wrote:
>Hello Justin,
>
>Does your study consider any other factors in  physical activity and
>sedentary behaviors besides blindness? Even though I happen to be blind,
>there are other factors in my life that have a greater impact on my physical
>activity and sedentary behaviors than my blindness. I believe simply
>focusing on blindness regarding physical activity and sedentary behaviors
>over simplifies this problem when there are other factors involved in
>physical activity and sedentary behaviors.
>
>Warm regards,
>Elizabeth
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, March 11, 2016 12:29 PM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nfb-live-announce at nfbnet.org;
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>Subject: [nabs-l] Research Participant Recruitment - Online Survey - Win
>$50.00 (last reminder)
>
>
>
>Dear Listserv Members:
>
>We are conducting a study
>involving the validation of (2) surveys to explore the beliefs of adults
>with visual impairments toward physical activity and sedentary behaviors. To
>conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged individuals (ages
>18 and
>over) with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete
>an online survey consisting of 41 questions which should take approximately
>20 minutes. All responses will be anonymous and confidential.
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 24 17:50:36 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:50:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
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Hello Kaiti,

I encounter paper forms on a fairly regular basis, and I believe it is
important for a blind person to find a way to deal with print forms in a way
that works best for them. I agree with you that sighted people are often
just as concerned about how information is formatted as much as the
information itself. Since I do not have the luxury of being able to bring a
sighted person with me every time I need to fill out a printed form, I
usually ask the person giving me the print form if they can help me fill it
out. Alternatively, you could pick the print form up ahead of time, or have
someone mail the print form to you, and you can then ask a reader to help
you fill it out. Or you could scan it without keeping the format of the
print form, and simply print it out for them. Despite all the technology out
there today, print forms still appear to be rather common to me.

As for the information on the lease, you can simply ask the landlord to go
over it with you. When I signed the first lease to my current apartment, I
asked my landlord to go over the information in the lease with me before I
signed it. Although she did not read it word for word, she was willing to go
over the important parts of the lease with me and explain them in a way that
made sense to me. I felt as though I received enough information from the
landlord to feel comfortable enough to sign the lease. 

However, I understand some people may feel more comfortable reading it word
for word before signing it. In this case, you could ask the landlord to
email a copy of it to you so you can read it on whatever technology you
choose to use. Additionally, you could simply ask to receive a print copy of
the lease, and then sign it after you have the chance to read it either by
scanning the lease or asking someone to read it to you.

However, I feel like if I cannot trust someone to fill out a print form
accurately, or provide an honest summery or reading of a print document,
then perhaps it simply is not best for me to be doing business with this
person in the first place. If the form asks for personal information I do
not feel comfortable sharing in front of other people, I simply make sure
the form is being filled out in a private room. When I am asked to give
someone my address, I will simply give them a copy of my state
identification card, and ask them to copy it from there without reading it
aloud.

I think it is good to ask for reasonable accommodations whenever you feel as
though you need them. However, it seems to me that simply because there are
rules and laws stating we should receive reasonable accommodations, this
does not necessarily mean that people will actually follow these rules and
laws. I understand it is not fair to be discriminated against because of
blindness, but based on my experience, this is simply a part of life.

A couple of months ago, people suggested that I attend an NFB training
center as a means for trying to deal with a particular situation in my life.
Although I understand an NFB training center is not for everyone, I am
curious if you have ever thought of attending an NFB training center. I
often receive the impression from the messages you post to the email list
that perhaps you may not necessarily be so sure of yourself as a person. I
also get the sense that you may have a rigid sense of how something needs to
be in order for it to be deemed acceptable. I am not sure if these are
accurate descriptions of you, or if I simply see these things in you because
I see these things in myself in my own life. However, I think it is
important for everyone to learn how to be okay with who they are as a
person, and understand that simply because they choose to do something
differently, it does not automatically make them wrong. I wish this was
something I could have learned earlier in life, so I simply wish to pass
this important lesson on to others.

I hope what I say in this message helps you, or at the very least, helps
someone else on the email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents

Hi all,

I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that works for
the apartment company today and really like what I saw in the viewing.  It
looks like it will be a pretty good living situation, and although I've
enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to having a little more control
over my space (No more randomly moving things in the fridge, unexpected
changes in the thermostat, etc).

I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but I
thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little disheartened when
I found the company didn't have an electronic way for me to complete the
apartment application.  The agent was nice enough to fill out most of it
with me and was amenable to having my parents scan the completed copy as a
PDF and email in their co-signer portion since they're in a different city,
but as far as me filling it out in an accessible format she didn't seem to
know of a way to make it work without messing up the formatting of the
application form.
I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form was
pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an accessible
copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if necessary while I am in
the property.  I understand that having independent access to this kind of
documentation is very important, and want to make sure I start working with
the company in advance if necessary.

My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic copy of
the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it with me in a
format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to tell them if they
have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere else to be brailled would
that come out of their pocket or my own?

Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere in
their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an accessible
copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure who's
responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that working out if
they were unable to make the application available to me in a format I can
use.  I really don't mind the application, but I honestly don't want to sit
down with a reader and go through a 60-plus page document if I can help it.
2 pages are one thing, ut from what I understand leases are much longer.

Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.

--
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 18:33:27 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 12:33:27 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS2832225FF3E91817D897E8ABA610@phx.gbl>
References: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS2832225FF3E91817D897E8ABA610@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <52448853-6508-4A1A-B086-5CDAC39B30B6@gmail.com>

I think Elizabeth's suggestion of having the lease sent to you by email or something prior to signing it could be a good idea too.  They must have it in electronic format somewhere, or else where do they print it from, right? 
I have rented at least six different apartments on my own in my life so far, and every time it has been the same process so I assume it will be the same with yours.  Here's what happens:  once your application is approved, a time is set up with the landlord or building manager, depending on the situation, to get together with them, they go over the lease with you at that time and you sign it there and they hand you your keys.  The lease is 3-5 pages I would say.  If you are BUYING an apartment, like a condo, then yes it would be a lot longer and different.  But just for a lease, it is not that long that I've ever seen.  (You could always ask them how many pages it is).  Although I think having them send it to you via email or something prior to this meeting is a good option, I personally would still want to have a person I know and trust to come with me to the lease signing.  Chances are, the landlord or manager is not going to skip things, and will follow your instructions, and will be very honest, but you have no way of knowing that.  A lease is a legal document concerning your residence.  That is not a document I want to risk anything with.  There are plenty of documents I have people help me fill out or read to me even if I don't know them, but a lease for my place of living is not something I would choose to take chances with.  That's just my opinion.  Also if you do bring someone with you, you could bring someone who has rented before as well, that way they may think of questions to ask at that meeting that you may not think of, since it's all new to you.  Just an idea.  All you have to do with a lease is read it, sign it and maybe initial by a couple things.  
It sounds like you're doing really well preparing for this.  And it sounds like you are working well with them and they are working well with you.  

Good luck!

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kaiti,
> 
> I encounter paper forms on a fairly regular basis, and I believe it is
> important for a blind person to find a way to deal with print forms in a way
> that works best for them. I agree with you that sighted people are often
> just as concerned about how information is formatted as much as the
> information itself. Since I do not have the luxury of being able to bring a
> sighted person with me every time I need to fill out a printed form, I
> usually ask the person giving me the print form if they can help me fill it
> out. Alternatively, you could pick the print form up ahead of time, or have
> someone mail the print form to you, and you can then ask a reader to help
> you fill it out. Or you could scan it without keeping the format of the
> print form, and simply print it out for them. Despite all the technology out
> there today, print forms still appear to be rather common to me.
> 
> As for the information on the lease, you can simply ask the landlord to go
> over it with you. When I signed the first lease to my current apartment, I
> asked my landlord to go over the information in the lease with me before I
> signed it. Although she did not read it word for word, she was willing to go
> over the important parts of the lease with me and explain them in a way that
> made sense to me. I felt as though I received enough information from the
> landlord to feel comfortable enough to sign the lease. 
> 
> However, I understand some people may feel more comfortable reading it word
> for word before signing it. In this case, you could ask the landlord to
> email a copy of it to you so you can read it on whatever technology you
> choose to use. Additionally, you could simply ask to receive a print copy of
> the lease, and then sign it after you have the chance to read it either by
> scanning the lease or asking someone to read it to you.
> 
> However, I feel like if I cannot trust someone to fill out a print form
> accurately, or provide an honest summery or reading of a print document,
> then perhaps it simply is not best for me to be doing business with this
> person in the first place. If the form asks for personal information I do
> not feel comfortable sharing in front of other people, I simply make sure
> the form is being filled out in a private room. When I am asked to give
> someone my address, I will simply give them a copy of my state
> identification card, and ask them to copy it from there without reading it
> aloud.
> 
> I think it is good to ask for reasonable accommodations whenever you feel as
> though you need them. However, it seems to me that simply because there are
> rules and laws stating we should receive reasonable accommodations, this
> does not necessarily mean that people will actually follow these rules and
> laws. I understand it is not fair to be discriminated against because of
> blindness, but based on my experience, this is simply a part of life.
> 
> A couple of months ago, people suggested that I attend an NFB training
> center as a means for trying to deal with a particular situation in my life.
> Although I understand an NFB training center is not for everyone, I am
> curious if you have ever thought of attending an NFB training center. I
> often receive the impression from the messages you post to the email list
> that perhaps you may not necessarily be so sure of yourself as a person. I
> also get the sense that you may have a rigid sense of how something needs to
> be in order for it to be deemed acceptable. I am not sure if these are
> accurate descriptions of you, or if I simply see these things in you because
> I see these things in myself in my own life. However, I think it is
> important for everyone to learn how to be okay with who they are as a
> person, and understand that simply because they choose to do something
> differently, it does not automatically make them wrong. I wish this was
> something I could have learned earlier in life, so I simply wish to pass
> this important lesson on to others.
> 
> I hope what I say in this message helps you, or at the very least, helps
> someone else on the email list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that works for
> the apartment company today and really like what I saw in the viewing.  It
> looks like it will be a pretty good living situation, and although I've
> enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to having a little more control
> over my space (No more randomly moving things in the fridge, unexpected
> changes in the thermostat, etc).
> 
> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but I
> thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little disheartened when
> I found the company didn't have an electronic way for me to complete the
> apartment application.  The agent was nice enough to fill out most of it
> with me and was amenable to having my parents scan the completed copy as a
> PDF and email in their co-signer portion since they're in a different city,
> but as far as me filling it out in an accessible format she didn't seem to
> know of a way to make it work without messing up the formatting of the
> application form.
> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form was
> pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an accessible
> copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if necessary while I am in
> the property.  I understand that having independent access to this kind of
> documentation is very important, and want to make sure I start working with
> the company in advance if necessary.
> 
> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic copy of
> the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it with me in a
> format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to tell them if they
> have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere else to be brailled would
> that come out of their pocket or my own?
> 
> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere in
> their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an accessible
> copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure who's
> responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that working out if
> they were unable to make the application available to me in a format I can
> use.  I really don't mind the application, but I honestly don't want to sit
> down with a reader and go through a 60-plus page document if I can help it.
> 2 pages are one thing, ut from what I understand leases are much longer.
> 
> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
> 
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 18:39:20 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:39:20 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Aftershokz headphones
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I use the aftershokz bluz 2 headphones. They are bluetooth, have about 6
hours of battery life, and are great while traveling. Sometimes VoiceOver
gets a little crackley, but this is reduced if you turn the volume on the
headphones to the highest level and primarily use the volume on your phone.
They're not the best out there for music, but that's not their primary
purpose.
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 11:42 AM Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

>
>
> Hello,
> Does anyone use Aftershokz headphones? Which model should I get?
> Thanks,Amanda
>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sun Apr 24 19:01:24 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 14:01:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Aftershokz headphones
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Message-ID: <SNT405-EAS254F7447A45E571008DC27BC610@phx.gbl>

Amanda,

I use these headphones but I'm not sure of which models are currently
available.  However, as much as I like them, you should know that they leak
a lot of sound.  I would not plan on using them to listen to a computer in a
classroom setting, for example.  I had hoped to use them all of the time at
work, including in meetings, but I decided that just would not work.
However, I use them a lot in other settings where I don't like to have my
ears covered.  They are great for being on the phone while taking a walk,
for example.  You will need to decide if you want to use them with a wire or
bluetooth connection and whether you need a microphone.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2016 10:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Aftershokz headphones



Hello,
Does anyone use Aftershokz headphones? Which model should I get?
Thanks,Amanda

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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 19:47:07 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:47:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
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	<COL401-EAS2832225FF3E91817D897E8ABA610@phx.gbl>
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Hi Kaiti,
I just wanted to add that you really do want to get an accessible version of your lease to read and keep on hand. Even though you may not refer to it often, if you do need to refer to it, it is usually about something important. They should have an electronic copy that they are modifying to apply to your specific apartment, so having them email it should not be a problem. You may still need to convert it to something accessible at that  point. It is worth pushing for so that there are no surprises when you go to sign. Also, having it ahead of time, you can ask others about parts you do not understand. 

For example, one time I went to sign a lease and there was a clause that said the landlords could enter the property at any time without prior notice. That’s not normal but I didn’t know enough to ask about it during the signing. That shouldn’t happen with a large apartment complex, but you want to be aware. 

Best of luck,

Greg


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think Elizabeth's suggestion of having the lease sent to you by email or something prior to signing it could be a good idea too.  They must have it in electronic format somewhere, or else where do they print it from, right? 
> I have rented at least six different apartments on my own in my life so far, and every time it has been the same process so I assume it will be the same with yours.  Here's what happens:  once your application is approved, a time is set up with the landlord or building manager, depending on the situation, to get together with them, they go over the lease with you at that time and you sign it there and they hand you your keys.  The lease is 3-5 pages I would say.  If you are BUYING an apartment, like a condo, then yes it would be a lot longer and different.  But just for a lease, it is not that long that I've ever seen.  (You could always ask them how many pages it is).  Although I think having them send it to you via email or something prior to this meeting is a good option, I personally would still want to have a person I know and trust to come with me to the lease signing.  Chances are, the landlord or manager is not going to skip things, and will follow your instructions, and will be very honest, but you have no way of knowing that.  A lease is a legal document concerning your residence.  That is not a document I want to risk anything with.  There are plenty of documents I have people help me fill out or read to me even if I don't know them, but a lease for my place of living is not something I would choose to take chances with.  That's just my opinion.  Also if you do bring someone with you, you could bring someone who has rented before as well, that way they may think of questions to ask at that meeting that you may not think of, since it's all new to you.  Just an idea.  All you have to do with a lease is read it, sign it and maybe initial by a couple things.  
> It sounds like you're doing really well preparing for this.  And it sounds like you are working well with them and they are working well with you.  
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kaiti,
>> 
>> I encounter paper forms on a fairly regular basis, and I believe it is
>> important for a blind person to find a way to deal with print forms in a way
>> that works best for them. I agree with you that sighted people are often
>> just as concerned about how information is formatted as much as the
>> information itself. Since I do not have the luxury of being able to bring a
>> sighted person with me every time I need to fill out a printed form, I
>> usually ask the person giving me the print form if they can help me fill it
>> out. Alternatively, you could pick the print form up ahead of time, or have
>> someone mail the print form to you, and you can then ask a reader to help
>> you fill it out. Or you could scan it without keeping the format of the
>> print form, and simply print it out for them. Despite all the technology out
>> there today, print forms still appear to be rather common to me.
>> 
>> As for the information on the lease, you can simply ask the landlord to go
>> over it with you. When I signed the first lease to my current apartment, I
>> asked my landlord to go over the information in the lease with me before I
>> signed it. Although she did not read it word for word, she was willing to go
>> over the important parts of the lease with me and explain them in a way that
>> made sense to me. I felt as though I received enough information from the
>> landlord to feel comfortable enough to sign the lease. 
>> 
>> However, I understand some people may feel more comfortable reading it word
>> for word before signing it. In this case, you could ask the landlord to
>> email a copy of it to you so you can read it on whatever technology you
>> choose to use. Additionally, you could simply ask to receive a print copy of
>> the lease, and then sign it after you have the chance to read it either by
>> scanning the lease or asking someone to read it to you.
>> 
>> However, I feel like if I cannot trust someone to fill out a print form
>> accurately, or provide an honest summery or reading of a print document,
>> then perhaps it simply is not best for me to be doing business with this
>> person in the first place. If the form asks for personal information I do
>> not feel comfortable sharing in front of other people, I simply make sure
>> the form is being filled out in a private room. When I am asked to give
>> someone my address, I will simply give them a copy of my state
>> identification card, and ask them to copy it from there without reading it
>> aloud.
>> 
>> I think it is good to ask for reasonable accommodations whenever you feel as
>> though you need them. However, it seems to me that simply because there are
>> rules and laws stating we should receive reasonable accommodations, this
>> does not necessarily mean that people will actually follow these rules and
>> laws. I understand it is not fair to be discriminated against because of
>> blindness, but based on my experience, this is simply a part of life.
>> 
>> A couple of months ago, people suggested that I attend an NFB training
>> center as a means for trying to deal with a particular situation in my life.
>> Although I understand an NFB training center is not for everyone, I am
>> curious if you have ever thought of attending an NFB training center. I
>> often receive the impression from the messages you post to the email list
>> that perhaps you may not necessarily be so sure of yourself as a person. I
>> also get the sense that you may have a rigid sense of how something needs to
>> be in order for it to be deemed acceptable. I am not sure if these are
>> accurate descriptions of you, or if I simply see these things in you because
>> I see these things in myself in my own life. However, I think it is
>> important for everyone to learn how to be okay with who they are as a
>> person, and understand that simply because they choose to do something
>> differently, it does not automatically make them wrong. I wish this was
>> something I could have learned earlier in life, so I simply wish to pass
>> this important lesson on to others.
>> 
>> I hope what I say in this message helps you, or at the very least, helps
>> someone else on the email list.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
>> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that works for
>> the apartment company today and really like what I saw in the viewing.  It
>> looks like it will be a pretty good living situation, and although I've
>> enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to having a little more control
>> over my space (No more randomly moving things in the fridge, unexpected
>> changes in the thermostat, etc).
>> 
>> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
>> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but I
>> thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little disheartened when
>> I found the company didn't have an electronic way for me to complete the
>> apartment application.  The agent was nice enough to fill out most of it
>> with me and was amenable to having my parents scan the completed copy as a
>> PDF and email in their co-signer portion since they're in a different city,
>> but as far as me filling it out in an accessible format she didn't seem to
>> know of a way to make it work without messing up the formatting of the
>> application form.
>> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form was
>> pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
>> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an accessible
>> copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if necessary while I am in
>> the property.  I understand that having independent access to this kind of
>> documentation is very important, and want to make sure I start working with
>> the company in advance if necessary.
>> 
>> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic copy of
>> the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it with me in a
>> format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to tell them if they
>> have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere else to be brailled would
>> that come out of their pocket or my own?
>> 
>> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere in
>> their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an accessible
>> copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure who's
>> responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that working out if
>> they were unable to make the application available to me in a format I can
>> use.  I really don't mind the application, but I honestly don't want to sit
>> down with a reader and go through a 60-plus page document if I can help it.
>> 2 pages are one thing, ut from what I understand leases are much longer.
>> 
>> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 20:43:27 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 13:43:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] typability
Message-ID: <571d300d.021c620a.8803c.ffffc414@mx.google.com>

Hello, I installed typability (the free trial version) and I 
don't have a keypad.  How can I uninstall typability compleetly? 
When I go to the programs and features it's not there but I know 
it's in my desktop.


From lanier.abigail at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 22:20:01 2016
From: lanier.abigail at gmail.com (Abigail Lanier)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:20:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Extension: Learning Ally National Achievement award
	Scholarship
Message-ID: <7044537E-329E-42E9-AF62-5C40FF64D8A9@gmail.com>

Hi students,

May 31st is now the deadline to apply for the Learning ally Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Award.

Mary P. Oenslager was a friend of Anne Macdonald, our founder. She began contributing to Learning Ally, formerly RFB&D, in 1953 and, in 1959, helped us establish the Scholastic Achievement Awards program, personally funding the awards. Mary P. Oenslager shaped the program and enjoyed getting to know the winners each year. In addition to her financial support, she was an active volunteer, serving on our Board of Directors, and actively recruited individual and corporate supporters.


You can apply and view more details about the scholarship at the link below:
http://www.learningally.org/NAA/Application-SAA.aspx <http://www.learningally.org/NAA/Application-SAA.aspx>


Abigail Lanier
Learning Ally
College Success Program Mentor Coordinator
Manhattan Studio Production Assistant
C: 910-520-4337




From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 22:32:55 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:32:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder: It's Throwback Sunday on Tonight's NABS
	Membership Call!
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Hey NABS:
> 
> My attempt at a catchy subject line may not have the ring of the ever-popular #ThrowbackThursday phenomenon. Despite this, the NABS Membership Committee is throwing it back to Washington Seminar on tonight's membership call. As those who were there might remember, we presented at our midwinter seminar a breakout session on how we as blind students can get active on our campuses and in our communities. We're now bringing that important topic back into the spotlight for the benefit of those who weren't able to make it to DC or who would just like to get your questions answered about campus involvement.
> 
> Our facilitators this month will be NABS Board members Kathryn Webster, Michael Ausbun, and myself (Chris Nusbaum,) three dynamic individuals who are living the lives we want through community involvement. We'll share our experiences, what we've learned from them, and the role our blindness and our Federation philosophy play in our extracurricular activities. Then we'll invite you to ask your questions and share with us any challenges you might be facing. We'll try our best to help you overcome your challenges and become an active part in the life of your school and your community. This will be an empowering and uplifting call which you will not want to miss!
> 
> As always, our call will take place tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line. To join the fun, call (605) 475-6700, and, when prompted, enter access code 7869673. We hope to talk with many of many of you tonight as we take a trip back in time. Thank you, as always, for all you do to help blind students live the lives we want!   
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 00:44:26 2016
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 18:44:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July
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Hello Katherine,

Thanks for your lovely announcement for running for nabs as the president.
Your words of encouragement and, your willingness to do what needs to get
done in this organization!

I look forward to your work in the federation and, I hope that you get the
vote to be the next president!



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Webster
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2016 5:33 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Kathryn Webster
Subject: [nabs-l] I am running for NABS President this July

Hello Fellow Federationists!

 

Finals are quickly approaching and I hope each of you are finishing off the
semester strong! 

I am writing today to announce my intention to seek the presidency of the
National Association of Blind Students.

 

Over the past two years, I have worked with NABS members and leaders both on
and off the board. For the first year, I served as a member of the
Fundraising and Legislative Committees. In July, 2015, I was elected
Secretary of NABS. Shortly thereafter, I assumed the role of treasurer in
order to fill an unexpected vacancy on our board. Over the past two years, I
have been blessed to work with many of you on numerous projects.

 

As Fundraising Chair, I am unbelievably proud to announce that NABS was able
to fund over 15 students to attend Washington Seminar, raising over $3,750
to make this happen. This was an initiative I worked hard for, and one I am
thrilled succeeded. I could not do this alone. The Fundraising Committee,
composed of several members off the NABS Board, as well as some great NABS
Board Members, worked tirelessly to reach our goal, while planning other
events for 2016. NABS would not have been able to sponsor several students
across the country without President Riccobono's generous commitment to
match NABS' financial commitment and without the help of Anil Lewis, Patti
Chang, and Parnell Diggs working with us to select the recipients, which
emphasizes the importance of maintaining a strong relationship with our
national leaders. 

As a Computer Science minor at Wake Forest University, I quickly added the
task of NABS web master to my federation work, combining my personal and
academic interests to improve our website. As the Legislative Committee
Co-Chair, President Sean Whalen and I worked closely to collect over 160
equal-access-to-education testimonies. Throughout this endeavor, we worked
with our Governmental Affairs specialists in Baltimore, keeping the
Federation's priorities at the forefront of every decision made. 

 

While I am exceedingly proud of the work that I and our members, committees,
and fellow board members have done the past two years, there is always more
we can do. I am confident that I can energize, strengthen, and grow the
National Association of Blind Students. I want students to join us during
National Convention without the worry of finances lingering over our heads.
Just like the Washington Seminar Funding Program recently implemented, I
hope to replicate that for national Convention attendees.

 

Last November, the Connecticut affiliate partnered with NABS to put on the
very first Legislative Leadership Workshop for students. As part of the
planning committee, I hope to see these seminars expand to various other
states and will be working with affiliates to make it happen. Through
interaction, discussion, and learning, we gain knowledge and insight from
others in order to advocate effectively, perform exceptionally, and work
professionally. I am a leader and a team player. I love collaboration,
particularly amongst our state student divisions. While many seminars are
already in the works, modeling from the successful workshop last November, I
see promise in the effort put forth by students across our regions.

 

Several student divisions struggle with financially supporting the programs
and events we all dream to host. Look no further! With experience
fundraising and event planning, I will create a NABS program that student
divisions can apply to for stipends in order to host events in your home
states. If Florida, or any other state affiliate, wants to host a student
social for recruiting new talent, but money is tight, NABS should be able to
help fund these types of programs because we are here for our students, our
members, and our federation family.

 

Have you ever interacted with a NABS representative during a State
Convention? NABS wants to know what you think. As President, I plan on
creating a NABS Rep feedback form so student divisions and affiliate
leadership can reflect on their experiences. We are an organization driven
by our members and we want to provide mentors that are responsive to every
student concern and affiliate need. These forms will inform the NABS Board
of what was helpful, beneficial, less effective, and what we need to do to
best grow our student divisions and state affiliates.

            

These are some of the new programs that I hope to institute if I am so lucky
to earn your vote this summer.  In addition to my ideas and experience as a
Student Division President of North Carolina, a Connecticut Affiliate Board
Member, and NABS officer, I will also bring my unique leadership style to
NABS.  First and foremost, I believe that we, as students, must have strong
relationships with our organization's leadership.  The easiest way for
students to have an impact on the work of the Federation is to work hand in
hand with our affiliate and national leadership.  Second, I want to know
you. I care about personal connection in order to foster positive results. I
don't want to be a leader from a distance; I want to be your teammate, a
mentor, and a friend. Third, I will make sure that there is accountability
on the board.  We will be attentive to our membership, inclusive of
non-board members, have follow through with our commitments and work, and
will be responsive to other divisions, affiliates, and national leaders that
want to work with us.  Finally, I will make sure to continue to provide
opportunities to students who want to participate but are not elected to the
board.  This opportunity was what allowed me to get so involved with NABS
two years ago and is what helped me to develop the leadership skills I
believe the NABS board needs to continue the progress we've made.  

            

For these reasons, I'm asking for your vote to be the next President of
NABS.  If anyone has any questions, concerns, or ideas about NABS, as
always, I'm ready to hear them.  I'm looking forward to seeing you all at
convention in a little over two months! Let's go build the Federation!

 

Have a great Wednesday!

 

Best,

Kathryn

 

Kathryn Webster

Treasurer/Secretary | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 00:51:44 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:51:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
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Hi all,

Greg, those were my thoughts exactly.  I've also heard of situations
where one party in the agreement, either landlord or tenant, violates
the agreement in some way and the lease is a good reference for
setting those issues straight.  My father has a few 2-family houses he
rents out so I've seen him deal with that situation as a landlord, but
I think it would be possible for landlords to try to push a tenant
around, too.  Your situation of having a lease that said the apartment
renter could enter at any time they felt like it is a perfect example,
or there could be other policies I might want to refer to.  I've found
with other documents that saying, "On page such and such of the lease
it says X" is more helpful than just saying what the document might
say, because it shows the other party that you know the information.

Anna, I definitely agree with you about the importance of having
someone come with me to look over the lease.  While I do see
Elizabeth's point about not always having someone available in every
situation, I wouldn't want to mess with this and take a chance either.
I plan to just schedule the meeting for a time when I could have
someone come along if I can't get them to email me an electronic copy,
which of course I'll try first.  Thankfully, I think that I'm working
far enough in advance that I could factor in extra time to set up a
convenient meeting for myself, a sighted reader, and the realtor if I
need to.

Elizabeth, I was asking about legal stuff because I am aware that the
company might not fully know what they are obligated to do.  I am also
aware that even if they are obligated to do something they might not
follow through on it, but at least that way I can have a leg to stand
on in the way Anna described by educating them.  If they don't know
they should provide apartment notices in accessible formats, for
example, that could be something I discuss with them and hopefully
sort out before it is ever a problem.  It's not about me gunning at
them to give me this and that as I'm seeming to get your impression
is, it's about making sure I have a good working relationship with
them and can access important print information as best I can.  I deal
with plenty of print paperwork myself, but this is something new for
me as campus housing doesn't have leasing agreements and the like so
I'm just looking for information to tell them strategies of getting me
information in ways I can use it.  Of course I can use KNFB reader or
human readers in a pinch, but if I can get something in electronic
text then of course I'm going to try to get it.  I don't know how my
character-or at least the one you say you see in my emails-necessarily
relates to my fact-finding, but I guess I hope this clears up
something.



On 4/24/16, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> I just wanted to add that you really do want to get an accessible version of
> your lease to read and keep on hand. Even though you may not refer to it
> often, if you do need to refer to it, it is usually about something
> important. They should have an electronic copy that they are modifying to
> apply to your specific apartment, so having them email it should not be a
> problem. You may still need to convert it to something accessible at that
> point. It is worth pushing for so that there are no surprises when you go to
> sign. Also, having it ahead of time, you can ask others about parts you do
> not understand.
>
> For example, one time I went to sign a lease and there was a clause that
> said the landlords could enter the property at any time without prior
> notice. That’s not normal but I didn’t know enough to ask about it during
> the signing. That shouldn’t happen with a large apartment complex, but you
> want to be aware.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Greg
>
>
>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think Elizabeth's suggestion of having the lease sent to you by email or
>> something prior to signing it could be a good idea too.  They must have it
>> in electronic format somewhere, or else where do they print it from,
>> right?
>> I have rented at least six different apartments on my own in my life so
>> far, and every time it has been the same process so I assume it will be
>> the same with yours.  Here's what happens:  once your application is
>> approved, a time is set up with the landlord or building manager,
>> depending on the situation, to get together with them, they go over the
>> lease with you at that time and you sign it there and they hand you your
>> keys.  The lease is 3-5 pages I would say.  If you are BUYING an
>> apartment, like a condo, then yes it would be a lot longer and different.
>> But just for a lease, it is not that long that I've ever seen.  (You could
>> always ask them how many pages it is).  Although I think having them send
>> it to you via email or something prior to this meeting is a good option, I
>> personally would still want to have a person I know and trust to come with
>> me to the lease signing.  Chances are, the landlord or manager is not
>> going to skip things, and will follow your instructions, and will be very
>> honest, but you have no way of knowing that.  A lease is a legal document
>> concerning your residence.  That is not a document I want to risk anything
>> with.  There are plenty of documents I have people help me fill out or
>> read to me even if I don't know them, but a lease for my place of living
>> is not something I would choose to take chances with.  That's just my
>> opinion.  Also if you do bring someone with you, you could bring someone
>> who has rented before as well, that way they may think of questions to ask
>> at that meeting that you may not think of, since it's all new to you.
>> Just an idea.  All you have to do with a lease is read it, sign it and
>> maybe initial by a couple things.
>> It sounds like you're doing really well preparing for this.  And it sounds
>> like you are working well with them and they are working well with you.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
>>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Kaiti,
>>>
>>> I encounter paper forms on a fairly regular basis, and I believe it is
>>> important for a blind person to find a way to deal with print forms in a
>>> way
>>> that works best for them. I agree with you that sighted people are often
>>> just as concerned about how information is formatted as much as the
>>> information itself. Since I do not have the luxury of being able to bring
>>> a
>>> sighted person with me every time I need to fill out a printed form, I
>>> usually ask the person giving me the print form if they can help me fill
>>> it
>>> out. Alternatively, you could pick the print form up ahead of time, or
>>> have
>>> someone mail the print form to you, and you can then ask a reader to help
>>> you fill it out. Or you could scan it without keeping the format of the
>>> print form, and simply print it out for them. Despite all the technology
>>> out
>>> there today, print forms still appear to be rather common to me.
>>>
>>> As for the information on the lease, you can simply ask the landlord to
>>> go
>>> over it with you. When I signed the first lease to my current apartment,
>>> I
>>> asked my landlord to go over the information in the lease with me before
>>> I
>>> signed it. Although she did not read it word for word, she was willing to
>>> go
>>> over the important parts of the lease with me and explain them in a way
>>> that
>>> made sense to me. I felt as though I received enough information from the
>>> landlord to feel comfortable enough to sign the lease.
>>>
>>> However, I understand some people may feel more comfortable reading it
>>> word
>>> for word before signing it. In this case, you could ask the landlord to
>>> email a copy of it to you so you can read it on whatever technology you
>>> choose to use. Additionally, you could simply ask to receive a print copy
>>> of
>>> the lease, and then sign it after you have the chance to read it either
>>> by
>>> scanning the lease or asking someone to read it to you.
>>>
>>> However, I feel like if I cannot trust someone to fill out a print form
>>> accurately, or provide an honest summery or reading of a print document,
>>> then perhaps it simply is not best for me to be doing business with this
>>> person in the first place. If the form asks for personal information I do
>>> not feel comfortable sharing in front of other people, I simply make sure
>>> the form is being filled out in a private room. When I am asked to give
>>> someone my address, I will simply give them a copy of my state
>>> identification card, and ask them to copy it from there without reading
>>> it
>>> aloud.
>>>
>>> I think it is good to ask for reasonable accommodations whenever you feel
>>> as
>>> though you need them. However, it seems to me that simply because there
>>> are
>>> rules and laws stating we should receive reasonable accommodations, this
>>> does not necessarily mean that people will actually follow these rules
>>> and
>>> laws. I understand it is not fair to be discriminated against because of
>>> blindness, but based on my experience, this is simply a part of life.
>>>
>>> A couple of months ago, people suggested that I attend an NFB training
>>> center as a means for trying to deal with a particular situation in my
>>> life.
>>> Although I understand an NFB training center is not for everyone, I am
>>> curious if you have ever thought of attending an NFB training center. I
>>> often receive the impression from the messages you post to the email list
>>> that perhaps you may not necessarily be so sure of yourself as a person.
>>> I
>>> also get the sense that you may have a rigid sense of how something needs
>>> to
>>> be in order for it to be deemed acceptable. I am not sure if these are
>>> accurate descriptions of you, or if I simply see these things in you
>>> because
>>> I see these things in myself in my own life. However, I think it is
>>> important for everyone to learn how to be okay with who they are as a
>>> person, and understand that simply because they choose to do something
>>> differently, it does not automatically make them wrong. I wish this was
>>> something I could have learned earlier in life, so I simply wish to pass
>>> this important lesson on to others.
>>>
>>> I hope what I say in this message helps you, or at the very least, helps
>>> someone else on the email list.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>>> Shelton
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:13 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
>>> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that works
>>> for
>>> the apartment company today and really like what I saw in the viewing.
>>> It
>>> looks like it will be a pretty good living situation, and although I've
>>> enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to having a little more
>>> control
>>> over my space (No more randomly moving things in the fridge, unexpected
>>> changes in the thermostat, etc).
>>>
>>> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
>>> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but I
>>> thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little disheartened
>>> when
>>> I found the company didn't have an electronic way for me to complete the
>>> apartment application.  The agent was nice enough to fill out most of it
>>> with me and was amenable to having my parents scan the completed copy as
>>> a
>>> PDF and email in their co-signer portion since they're in a different
>>> city,
>>> but as far as me filling it out in an accessible format she didn't seem
>>> to
>>> know of a way to make it work without messing up the formatting of the
>>> application form.
>>> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
>>> was
>>> pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
>>> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
>>> accessible
>>> copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if necessary while I am
>>> in
>>> the property.  I understand that having independent access to this kind
>>> of
>>> documentation is very important, and want to make sure I start working
>>> with
>>> the company in advance if necessary.
>>>
>>> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic copy
>>> of
>>> the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it with me in a
>>> format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to tell them if they
>>> have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere else to be brailled
>>> would
>>> that come out of their pocket or my own?
>>>
>>> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere in
>>> their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an accessible
>>> copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure who's
>>> responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that working out
>>> if
>>> they were unable to make the application available to me in a format I
>>> can
>>> use.  I really don't mind the application, but I honestly don't want to
>>> sit
>>> down with a reader and go through a 60-plus page document if I can help
>>> it.
>>> 2 pages are one thing, ut from what I understand leases are much longer.
>>>
>>> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 02:00:45 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:00:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder: It's Throwback Sunday on Tonight's NABS
	Membership Call!
In-Reply-To: <40D9E5A3-57A0-4E57-9432-7687030E7599@gmail.com>
References: <5C45DA09-90C3-4627-90C1-63D2937BEB75@gmail.com>
	<40D9E5A3-57A0-4E57-9432-7687030E7599@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B229C475-1444-4990-B85C-DB093EBCB4A3@gmail.com>

Are there notes or something for those who cannot attend?

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey NABS:
>> 
>> My attempt at a catchy subject line may not have the ring of the ever-popular #ThrowbackThursday phenomenon. Despite this, the NABS Membership Committee is throwing it back to Washington Seminar on tonight's membership call. As those who were there might remember, we presented at our midwinter seminar a breakout session on how we as blind students can get active on our campuses and in our communities. We're now bringing that important topic back into the spotlight for the benefit of those who weren't able to make it to DC or who would just like to get your questions answered about campus involvement.
>> 
>> Our facilitators this month will be NABS Board members Kathryn Webster, Michael Ausbun, and myself (Chris Nusbaum,) three dynamic individuals who are living the lives we want through community involvement. We'll share our experiences, what we've learned from them, and the role our blindness and our Federation philosophy play in our extracurricular activities. Then we'll invite you to ask your questions and share with us any challenges you might be facing. We'll try our best to help you overcome your challenges and become an active part in the life of your school and your community. This will be an empowering and uplifting call which you will not want to miss!
>> 
>> As always, our call will take place tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line. To join the fun, call (605) 475-6700, and, when prompted, enter access code 7869673. We hope to talk with many of many of you tonight as we take a trip back in time. Thank you, as always, for all you do to help blind students live the lives we want!   
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 02:01:46 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:01:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Reminder: It's Throwback Sunday on Tonight's NABS
	Membership Call!
In-Reply-To: <40D9E5A3-57A0-4E57-9432-7687030E7599@gmail.com>
References: <5C45DA09-90C3-4627-90C1-63D2937BEB75@gmail.com>
	<40D9E5A3-57A0-4E57-9432-7687030E7599@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBB79905-D237-406C-9A4B-2855B913BF2D@gmail.com>

Are there notes or something for those who cannot attend?

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 24, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey NABS:
>> 
>> My attempt at a catchy subject line may not have the ring of the ever-popular #ThrowbackThursday phenomenon. Despite this, the NABS Membership Committee is throwing it back to Washington Seminar on tonight's membership call. As those who were there might remember, we presented at our midwinter seminar a breakout session on how we as blind students can get active on our campuses and in our communities. We're now bringing that important topic back into the spotlight for the benefit of those who weren't able to make it to DC or who would just like to get your questions answered about campus involvement.
>> 
>> Our facilitators this month will be NABS Board members Kathryn Webster, Michael Ausbun, and myself (Chris Nusbaum,) three dynamic individuals who are living the lives we want through community involvement. We'll share our experiences, what we've learned from them, and the role our blindness and our Federation philosophy play in our extracurricular activities. Then we'll invite you to ask your questions and share with us any challenges you might be facing. We'll try our best to help you overcome your challenges and become an active part in the life of your school and your community. This will be an empowering and uplifting call which you will not want to miss!
>> 
>> As always, our call will take place tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern on our NABS conference line. To join the fun, call (605) 475-6700, and, when prompted, enter access code 7869673. We hope to talk with many of many of you tonight as we take a trip back in time. Thank you, as always, for all you do to help blind students live the lives we want!   
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 02:48:42 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:48:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
Message-ID: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>

Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.  
I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.  
Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?  
Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.  
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anna E Givens



From bestca21 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 05:12:55 2016
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 22:12:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
In-Reply-To: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>
References: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CD9936B-6625-499E-A00E-36CD56729D8E@gmail.com>

I believe you can backup to iCloud and iTunes. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 19:48, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.  
> I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.  
> Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?  
> Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 25 06:22:17 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 06:22:17 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZxf6Yjm30Rydc23Zve7dY43aCfULVEr673HdxHTiiC-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN2PR10MB01092F4DDAE09F21EFA78CB6DC620@SN2PR10MB0109.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Generally nothing is fully accessible including documents, etc. Often they will use undo hardship clauses to violate faire housing and reasonable accommodations process. Good luck.


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 22, 2016, at 11:14 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no
> roommates) this August.  I met with one of the realty agents that
> works for the apartment company today and really like what I saw in
> the viewing.  It looks like it will be a pretty good living situation,
> and although I've enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to
> having a little more control over my space (No more randomly moving
> things in the fridge, unexpected changes in the thermostat, etc).
> 
> I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related
> rights are.  This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but
> I thought turning here would also be useful.  I was a little
> disheartened when I found the company didn't have an electronic way
> for me to complete the apartment application.  The agent was nice
> enough to fill out most of it with me and was amenable to having my
> parents scan the completed copy as a PDF and email in their co-signer
> portion since they're in a different city, but as far as me filling it
> out in an accessible format she didn't seem to know of a way to make
> it work without messing up the formatting of the application form.
> I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form
> was pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over
> accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an
> accessible copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if
> necessary while I am in the property.  I understand that having
> independent access to this kind of documentation is very important,
> and want to make sure I start working with the company in advance if
> necessary.
> 
> My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic
> copy of the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it
> with me in a format I can use?  What would be acceptable options to
> tell them if they have no clue?  If they decide to send it somewhere
> else to be brailled would that come out of their pocket or my own?
> 
> Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere
> in their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an
> accessible copy wouldn't be too terribly hard.  However, I'm not sure
> who's responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that
> working out if they were unable to make the application available to
> me in a format I can use.  I really don't mind the application, but I
> honestly don't want to sit down with a reader and go through a 60-plus
> page document if I can help it.  2 pages are one thing, ut from what I
> understand leases are much longer.
> 
> Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 10:58:10 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 06:58:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
In-Reply-To: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>
References: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E91F8025-2D69-46BE-857C-B9D9616D1082@gmail.com>

Anna:

It may be that the sound is coming through the earpiece rather than the speaker. Try holding your phone up to your ear and see if you can hear the recording. If you can, you can pause the recording and select the speaker button in order for your sound to come through the speaker. I haven't found a way to set this as the default.

Also, if you haven't done this already, I would suggest trying the DropVox app. In my opinion, DropVox offers a much faster and simpler interface than the built-in Voice Memos app. Most importantly, though, DropVox automatically backs up all recordings in a Dropbox folder, meaning that you'll have a backup of all recordings you make which can be accessed on any of your devices. Hope this helps! 

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.  
> I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.  
> Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?  
> Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 12:11:18 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:11:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
Message-ID: <571e0982.c56d810a.640ac.0ac0@mx.google.com>

Hi Anna, have you tried closing the app and opening it again?  I 
haven't had this exact problem, but sometimes things like YouTube 
videos will do something similar, and closing and then reopening 
Safari usually fixes it.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, Jaws List 
<jfw at groups.io
Date sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:48:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder

Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this 
would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the 
Iphone.
I have been recording some very important information in the 
voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for 
school.
Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues 
occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then 
on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  
Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times 
before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record 
properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal 
(it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of 
recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I 
can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a 
very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone 
have any ideas?
Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones 
that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to 
back them up when I first record them or a better way to record 
them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it 
back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Anna E Givens


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From hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 12:57:53 2016
From: hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com (Conchita Hernandez Legorreta)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 08:57:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Summer Intern in DC
Message-ID: <CAP4zXN1WASrm-0G4SwJK8ma5XhmDeBoPsnUskqk5fSwiwsUV2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Are you looking for a summer internship?
The NFB BELL Academy of DC is looking for summer interns for our program.
We are looking for motivated individuals who can work well with kids,
participate actively in activities and have a positive philosophy on
blindness. We seek applicants that are fluent in braille and non-visual
skills. If you are applying from outside of DC, housing will be provided
for you. All other expenses would be your own. To find out more about the
NFB BELL Academy go here: https://nfb.org/bell-academy
This is not a paid position, however there is a stipend involved. There
will be a mandatory background check for all.

Dates: August 1-12, 2016, Monday through Friday
Hours: 8:30 am to 4:30 pm.

The application is located here:

http://goo.gl/forms/l1QiaJCcx5

Please contact me with any questions. Thank you!

Conchita Hernandez Legorreta M.A.T.
Teacher of Blind Students

Help me reach my goal to work with a school for the blind in Mexico! Check
out my Go Fund Me Page.
https://www.gofundme.com/6a4a86ns

From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 18:39:44 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 13:39:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
Message-ID: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com>

Hey  Everyone, 

 Hope you're all  doing well. 

 I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like. 

 If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately. 

 And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well. 

 Any thoughts are appreciated! 

 Sam 



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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 18:50:41 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:50:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
In-Reply-To: <E91F8025-2D69-46BE-857C-B9D9616D1082@gmail.com>
References: <A8AEC4F3-4ED8-4CAB-9436-4725C5656091@gmail.com>
	<E91F8025-2D69-46BE-857C-B9D9616D1082@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55D0E0C0-547E-40E3-9F17-733D83F0459F@gmail.com>

Thanks Chris,
It's not a speaker issue.  When I push play nothing happens.  The time is not running so I know it's not playing.  
I will check out the dropvox app it sounds good.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 25, 2016, at 4:58 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Anna:
> 
> It may be that the sound is coming through the earpiece rather than the speaker. Try holding your phone up to your ear and see if you can hear the recording. If you can, you can pause the recording and select the speaker button in order for your sound to come through the speaker. I haven't found a way to set this as the default.
> 
> Also, if you haven't done this already, I would suggest trying the DropVox app. In my opinion, DropVox offers a much faster and simpler interface than the built-in Voice Memos app. Most importantly, though, DropVox automatically backs up all recordings in a Dropbox folder, meaning that you'll have a backup of all recordings you make which can be accessed on any of your devices. Hope this helps! 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.  
>> I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.  
>> Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?  
>> Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.  
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 18:52:19 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 12:52:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
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Doesn't work.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 25, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna, have you tried closing the app and opening it again?  I haven't had this exact problem, but sometimes things like YouTube videos will do something similar, and closing and then reopening Safari usually fixes it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: electronics-talk at nfbnet.org, nabs-l at nfbnet.org, Jaws List <jfw at groups.io
> Date sent: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 20:48:42 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
> 
> Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.
> I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.
> Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?
> Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 20:50:25 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:50:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voice recorder
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I know you really like to do it on your phone, but I use my Olympus DM 620 and then I put them on my computer and I put them in one drive that I have on my phone this way I know that the recorder is more reliable and will record when I need it to and this is what I do for lectures

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2016, at 10:48 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm not sure where the most appropriate place to post this would be.  I just have a question about voice recorder on the Iphone.  
> I have been recording some very important information in the voice recorder app, that I often need to refer back to for school.  
> Usually it works fine.  But recently I have had issues occasionally where I will record, everything looks good and then on some occasion when I go to play it back it will not play.  Usually I have listened to these recordings multiple times before.  So I know the issue is not that it didn't record properly.  When I can't get it to play, everything looks normal (it still shows that there are a certain number of minutes of recording as there should be.  And I can move the slider, and I can press play, but nothing happens.  This is only happening to a very few recordings, with working ones in between.  Does anyone have any ideas?  
> Also, are those recordings backed up somewhere?  Or are the ones that don't work anymore gone forever?  If so, is there a way to back them up when I first record them or a better way to record them.  I like doing it on my phone because then I can play it back anywhere anytime cause I always have my phone.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 22:55:34 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:55:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com>
References: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com>
Message-ID: <004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone, 

 Hope you're all  doing well. 

 I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like. 

 If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately. 

 And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well. 

 Any thoughts are appreciated! 

 Sam 



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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 23:01:57 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:01:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
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	<004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>
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Hi  Jo, 
 Thanks for your post. 
 Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there. 
 I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like? 
 Thanks! 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone, 

 Hope you're all  doing well. 

 I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like. 

 If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately. 

 And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well. 

 Any thoughts are appreciated! 

 Sam 



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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 23:17:53 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:17:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <000d01d19f46$78075a90$68160fb0$@com>
References: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com>
	<004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>
	<000d01d19f46$78075a90$68160fb0$@com>
Message-ID: <006e01d19f48$b188a880$1499f980$@gmail.com>

I've never used paratransit. I know that makes me sound like super snob
blind guy, but I've never used it on account of the public transit system
working very well, not because I'm super blind traveler. From what others
have told me, DC's system is awful. No real surprise there. I lived in the
district for eight years before moving out to Virginia, slow and frustrating
city services, but Arlington in Virginia is supposed to have the best
service of all in terms of special transit goes. Supposedly you can catch
paratransit starting in Arlington and go to a good patch of the DMV area.
I'm not sure how it works for return trips, but I can connect you with
someone who uses the service regularly.

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson [mailto:nelsonsam68 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:02 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
 Thanks for your post. 
 Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there. 
 I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like? 
 Thanks! 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone, 

 Hope you're all  doing well. 

 I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like. 

 If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately. 

 And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well. 

 Any thoughts are appreciated! 

 Sam 



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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 23:37:19 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 18:37:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <006e01d19f48$b188a880$1499f980$@gmail.com>
References: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com>	<004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>	<000d01d19f46$78075a90$68160fb0$@com>
	<006e01d19f48$b188a880$1499f980$@gmail.com>
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Hey Jo, 
 Thanks! Looking at their website it sounds ok. 
 Of course anything can sound ok LOL! Am confused about the fare. Said it
could be up to $6 or something but it would depend on where you were going?
In Chicago and MA where they used to live  they had a standard rate. 
 Yes please anyone would be helpful. My friend  seems to use public transit
a lot haven't gotten around to asking about paratransit. 
 Thanks again. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 6:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

I've never used paratransit. I know that makes me sound like super snob
blind guy, but I've never used it on account of the public transit system
working very well, not because I'm super blind traveler. From what others
have told me, DC's system is awful. No real surprise there. I lived in the
district for eight years before moving out to Virginia, slow and frustrating
city services, but Arlington in Virginia is supposed to have the best
service of all in terms of special transit goes. Supposedly you can catch
paratransit starting in Arlington and go to a good patch of the DMV area.
I'm not sure how it works for return trips, but I can connect you with
someone who uses the service regularly.

Best,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson [mailto:nelsonsam68 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:02 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
 Thanks for your post. 
 Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there. 
 I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like? 
 Thanks! 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone, 

 Hope you're all  doing well. 

 I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like. 

 If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately. 

 And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well. 

 Any thoughts are appreciated! 

 Sam 



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 26 01:44:25 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:44:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
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Hello Sam,

I live outside the district in northern virginia.
What joe says is right on.

I'd say DC is expensive and yes there are a good amount of friendly blind 
professionals. I've had a hard time believing the high unemployment for the 
blind as most have good stable jobs primarily in the federal government, 
federal contractors or large nonprofits.
There is a variety of food from the fast food places to the expensive dining 
and in between. You will find lots of foreign cousine in dc, too.
We have a subway with color coded lines; each line takes you to a different 
place but some lines share the same track for a certain number of stops.
We have buses too; in dc there is dc circulator and in northern va you got 
the metro buses plus the fairfax connector for most of fairfax county and if 
you go to arlington county there's the art buses.

There is paratransit too, metro access, but it can be late getting you as 
most paratransit systems do; they are a bit overwelmed with demand.
And the regular transit system is going under repairs. our subway system 
called metro rail is so old and is falling apart with frequent accidents. 
Single tracking is common.

I'd say if you visit your friend and they drive, then you can do the car 
thing and not worry about the transit.


Overall, the dc area is a walkable place and friendly.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:01 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
Thanks for your post.
Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there.
I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like?
Thanks!
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone,

Hope you're all  doing well.

I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like.

If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately.

And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Sam



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 26 01:49:21 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:49:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <006e01d19f48$b188a880$1499f980$@gmail.com>
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Joe,
Right on! Yes, arlington paratransit is best! you always get a cab there; 
used it while in college and they are always on time; well maybe five 
minutes late, but pretty much on time.
Yes I'd agree that metro access Ii s awful. Its gotten worse for me lately 
with picking me up late in afternoons and worse when you call dispatch to 
get an estimated time of arrival, they tend to lie telling you it will come 
in 5 to 10 minutes. At college, they frequently were at the wrong building 
even though I told reservations clearly my location.
And I hate how most drivers follow the gps built in and do not know the area 
and do not seem to care to learn it. Half the time, they cannot tell  you 
where you are.

But if you have to use paratransit, it will get you places, just plan to 
wait at least 30 minutes since that is how long the window when they can 
arrive is.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:17 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

I've never used paratransit. I know that makes me sound like super snob
blind guy, but I've never used it on account of the public transit system
working very well, not because I'm super blind traveler. From what others
have told me, DC's system is awful. No real surprise there. I lived in the
district for eight years before moving out to Virginia, slow and frustrating
city services, but Arlington in Virginia is supposed to have the best
service of all in terms of special transit goes. Supposedly you can catch
paratransit starting in Arlington and go to a good patch of the DMV area.
I'm not sure how it works for return trips, but I can connect you with
someone who uses the service regularly.

Best,

Joe

--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson [mailto:nelsonsam68 at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:02 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
Thanks for your post.
Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there.
I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like?
Thanks!
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone,

Hope you're all  doing well.

I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like.

If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately.

And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Sam



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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 02:00:24 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 21:00:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <AA9960C1DC0541D48084BB42353E2DF5@OwnerPC>
References: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com><004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>	<000d01d19f46$78075a90$68160fb0$@com>
	<AA9960C1DC0541D48084BB42353E2DF5@OwnerPC>
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 Hey Ashley, 
 Thank you so much for this. 
 My friend  is totally blind. Not  sure if her other friends are sighted. I
know she takes metro a lot which sounds so scary. Considering my mental
health issues this feels impossible at the moment but she's such a good role
model that I trust her and would at least try if I had to. I would
definitely want paratransit in my corner. 
 How's the process of getting  accepted in the area? If I came from Chicago
to DC with my  paratransit granted in Chicago would it be easier to get
certified as though I'm moving I would still have the same needs. 
 Like I said thanks for  everything. Will keep everything in mind around
this visiting and talking more with this friend will bring more clarity. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hello Sam,

I live outside the district in northern virginia.
What joe says is right on.

I'd say DC is expensive and yes there are a good amount of friendly blind
professionals. I've had a hard time believing the high unemployment for the
blind as most have good stable jobs primarily in the federal government,
federal contractors or large nonprofits.
There is a variety of food from the fast food places to the expensive dining
and in between. You will find lots of foreign cousine in dc, too.
We have a subway with color coded lines; each line takes you to a different
place but some lines share the same track for a certain number of stops.
We have buses too; in dc there is dc circulator and in northern va you got
the metro buses plus the fairfax connector for most of fairfax county and if
you go to arlington county there's the art buses.

There is paratransit too, metro access, but it can be late getting you as
most paratransit systems do; they are a bit overwelmed with demand.
And the regular transit system is going under repairs. our subway system
called metro rail is so old and is falling apart with frequent accidents. 
Single tracking is common.

I'd say if you visit your friend and they drive, then you can do the car
thing and not worry about the transit.


Overall, the dc area is a walkable place and friendly.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:01 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
Thanks for your post.
Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there.
I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like?
Thanks!
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone,

Hope you're all  doing well.

I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like.

If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately.

And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Sam



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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 26 04:23:38 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 00:23:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <009401d19f5f$6613faf0$323bf0d0$@com>
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hi,
well, I think it will be easier getting metro access if you have paratransit 
elsewhere.
I think getting accepted will be alright; some areas seem more formal than 
others. so, someone can tell you about the types of dress people wear.
If interested in nfb, dc has a large affiliate so you won't find it hard to 
meet blind people. Also, arlington has a large club meeting in ballston, a 
sort of town in arlington, so you could check them out too if you wanted; 
not far from dc at all.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 10:00 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey Ashley,
Thank you so much for this.
My friend  is totally blind. Not  sure if her other friends are sighted. I
know she takes metro a lot which sounds so scary. Considering my mental
health issues this feels impossible at the moment but she's such a good role
model that I trust her and would at least try if I had to. I would
definitely want paratransit in my corner.
How's the process of getting  accepted in the area? If I came from Chicago
to DC with my  paratransit granted in Chicago would it be easier to get
certified as though I'm moving I would still have the same needs.
Like I said thanks for  everything. Will keep everything in mind around
this visiting and talking more with this friend will bring more clarity.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hello Sam,

I live outside the district in northern virginia.
What joe says is right on.

I'd say DC is expensive and yes there are a good amount of friendly blind
professionals. I've had a hard time believing the high unemployment for the
blind as most have good stable jobs primarily in the federal government,
federal contractors or large nonprofits.
There is a variety of food from the fast food places to the expensive dining
and in between. You will find lots of foreign cousine in dc, too.
We have a subway with color coded lines; each line takes you to a different
place but some lines share the same track for a certain number of stops.
We have buses too; in dc there is dc circulator and in northern va you got
the metro buses plus the fairfax connector for most of fairfax county and if
you go to arlington county there's the art buses.

There is paratransit too, metro access, but it can be late getting you as
most paratransit systems do; they are a bit overwelmed with demand.
And the regular transit system is going under repairs. our subway system
called metro rail is so old and is falling apart with frequent accidents.
Single tracking is common.

I'd say if you visit your friend and they drive, then you can do the car
thing and not worry about the transit.


Overall, the dc area is a walkable place and friendly.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:01 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
Thanks for your post.
Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there.
I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like?
Thanks!
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone,

Hope you're all  doing well.

I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like.

If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately.

And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Sam



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From k8tvv2 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 14:28:45 2016
From: k8tvv2 at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:28:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for room mates for convention.
Message-ID: <A331E79C-9F0C-4374-8051-10D60E513F35@gmail.com>

Hi,
This is Jeff, the president of the students division in Michigan. I am looking at attending this years convention.
If anyone is looking for a room mate, let me know. I have a guide dog just to let those who are looking know.
Feel free to reach out to me off list at
k8tvv2 at gmail.com <mailto:k8tvv2 at gmail.com>

Thanks and warmest regards.
Jeff Crouch
President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan

From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 15:46:33 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 10:46:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area
In-Reply-To: <E1200833C0CC488ABB0B1D68C6706BE4@OwnerPC>
References: <000501d19f21$d6ab9040$8402b0c0$@com><004001d19f45$938e2060$baaa6120$@gmail.com>	<000d01d19f46$78075a90$68160fb0$@com><AA9960C1DC0541D48084BB42353E2DF5@OwnerPC>	<009401d19f5f$6613faf0$323bf0d0$@com>
	<E1200833C0CC488ABB0B1D68C6706BE4@OwnerPC>
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Hi. 
 Thank you. This sounds like I would expect. Was asking on an fb group about
paratransit in general getting recertified and just yeah. Every state seemed
pretty chill except Austin TX! Guess they're terrible. Will do anything to
deny anyone! So yeah. 
 Thanks for all this information. It's really helpful. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 11:24 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

hi,
well, I think it will be easier getting metro access if you have paratransit
elsewhere.
I think getting accepted will be alright; some areas seem more formal than
others. so, someone can tell you about the types of dress people wear.
If interested in nfb, dc has a large affiliate so you won't find it hard to
meet blind people. Also, arlington has a large club meeting in ballston, a
sort of town in arlington, so you could check them out too if you wanted;
not far from dc at all.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 10:00 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey Ashley,
Thank you so much for this.
My friend  is totally blind. Not  sure if her other friends are sighted. I
know she takes metro a lot which sounds so scary. Considering my mental
health issues this feels impossible at the moment but she's such a good role
model that I trust her and would at least try if I had to. I would
definitely want paratransit in my corner.
How's the process of getting  accepted in the area? If I came from Chicago
to DC with my  paratransit granted in Chicago would it be easier to get
certified as though I'm moving I would still have the same needs.
Like I said thanks for  everything. Will keep everything in mind around this
visiting and talking more with this friend will bring more clarity.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 8:44 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hello Sam,

I live outside the district in northern virginia.
What joe says is right on.

I'd say DC is expensive and yes there are a good amount of friendly blind
professionals. I've had a hard time believing the high unemployment for the
blind as most have good stable jobs primarily in the federal government,
federal contractors or large nonprofits.
There is a variety of food from the fast food places to the expensive dining
and in between. You will find lots of foreign cousine in dc, too.
We have a subway with color coded lines; each line takes you to a different
place but some lines share the same track for a certain number of stops.
We have buses too; in dc there is dc circulator and in northern va you got
the metro buses plus the fairfax connector for most of fairfax county and if
you go to arlington county there's the art buses.

There is paratransit too, metro access, but it can be late getting you as
most paratransit systems do; they are a bit overwelmed with demand.
And the regular transit system is going under repairs. our subway system
called metro rail is so old and is falling apart with frequent accidents.
Single tracking is common.

I'd say if you visit your friend and they drive, then you can do the car
thing and not worry about the transit.


Overall, the dc area is a walkable place and friendly.

HTH,
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 7:01 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing
list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hi  Jo,
Thanks for your post.
Well I'm visiting this friend and it's a distant possibility that if things
went well and I felt comfortable I would move out there.
I'm most used to paratransit. What's that like?
Thanks!
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 5:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Joe
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Sam,

I'm out here in the DC area. It's hard to tell from your post though what
specifically you're looking for if all you're doing is visiting. I can tell
you the subway system, though not as comprehensive as New York City's, will
get you most places you need to go, but for any interns coming out to join
us here this summer, it's worth noting our Metro is undergoing a lot of
repairs. It won't be unusual for your train to be either late or not running
at all, so it would behoove you to become as familiar with the bus routes as
you become with the train stations.

Airport-wise, Ronald Reagan is the closest to DC. BWI and Dulles, both
further away, could be cheaper options if you're willing to lay down a
little cash for ground transportation or take a bus/train into the District.

Entertainment? Not as lively as NYC. This is more of an intellectual
stimulus than music and dancing, but you'll find a fair amount to keep you
busy. People are generally nice, if a little self-absorbed, but I've yet to
experience anyone beyond lending a little help when help was sought.

Friendly blind people? I might could be considered one of these. There is
certainly a good concentration of blind professionals in the local region,
enough of us willing to take time to show you around the area if you needed
help orienting.

I've toyed with the idea of doing a post on DC travel for blind people on my
personal blog. If there's enough interest, please post your questions or
curiosities. I'll write something of a comprehensive post and update it as
needed for interested travelers. Whatever else you take away, note DC is
freaking expensive. I survived here my first year on an AmeriCorps budget
but just barely. If you're here to see the sites, a lot of them are free.
Most of your money will drain on food, drinks and lodging.

Hope that's a starting base for other questions. Sorry I can't help you with
the mental health resources, but I'm sure we can get you connected with the
right people there.

Joe

--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2016 2:40 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Sam Nelson
Subject: [nabs-l] anyone on here from the DC area

Hey  Everyone,

Hope you're all  doing well.

I'm from Chicago. I have a friend who lives in DC. May visit at some point.
Am just doing some initial investigating into what the area is like.

If anyone on here is from DC  I would like to hear what you think of the
areas far as what it's like to be there and be blind. From getting to know
my friend it seems like there are quite a lot of friendly blind and other
disabled people there.  Feel free to message me privately.

And, if people feel comfortable I'm also very interested to hear the
experience of those who are blind and have any psychiatric disabilities as
I'd be definitely needing mental health services as well.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Sam



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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 16:26:19 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 12:26:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for room mates for convention.
In-Reply-To: <A331E79C-9F0C-4374-8051-10D60E513F35@gmail.com>
References: <A331E79C-9F0C-4374-8051-10D60E513F35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24258E68-5028-40D0-B690-91486BF24B08@gmail.com>

Hey Jeff,

I may be interested if the people I've already talked with are unavailable. I'll let you know.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2016, at 10:28 AM, Jeff Crouch via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is Jeff, the president of the students division in Michigan. I am looking at attending this years convention.
> If anyone is looking for a room mate, let me know. I have a guide dog just to let those who are looking know.
> Feel free to reach out to me off list at
> k8tvv2 at gmail.com <mailto:k8tvv2 at gmail.com>
> 
> Thanks and warmest regards.
> Jeff Crouch
> President, Michigan Association of Blind Students
> President, Genesee County Chapter, National Federation of the Blind of Michigan
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 21:59:25 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 15:59:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
Message-ID: <3E0201F5-CA19-4372-99E6-9B2A6C94620C@gmail.com>

Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some classes.  
My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed classes?  
What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
Someone please clarify.

Anna E Givens



From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 22:06:06 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an email to you would have been nice first. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some classes.  
> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed classes?  
> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
> Someone please clarify.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 22:20:10 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:20:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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No, none of their business.
Their job is support.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
email to you would have been nice first. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
classes.  
> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
classes?  
> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
> Someone please clarify.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 22:21:43 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:21:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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References: <3E0201F5-CA19-4372-99E6-9B2A6C94620C@gmail.com>
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The concern shown is to be lauded, but I don't  think they should interject
themselves unless you come to them.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
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Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
email to you would have been nice first. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
classes.  
> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
classes?  
> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
> Someone please clarify.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 22:22:30 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 18:22:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Your professor should have e-mailed you.
 Justin

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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
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Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
email to you would have been nice first. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
classes.  
> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
classes?  
> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
> Someone please clarify.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 28 01:28:01 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:28:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Hello Anna,

I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why your
professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem to
be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am not
quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office and
not you.

I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. Therefore,
if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick note
to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and will
be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors who
really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with larger
class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
where you have more of a relationship with the professor.

Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how you
feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way if a
professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it as
well.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
classes.  
My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
classes?  
What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator
to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about
it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
Someone please clarify.

Anna E Givens


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From valandkayla at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 01:38:35 2016
From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:38:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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	<COL401-EAS66245EA97563A4F3D3E8F9BA650@phx.gbl>
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Hello,

I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.

She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.

I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.

I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO. 

After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.

Hope this helps.
> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Anna,
> 
> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
> than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why your
> professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem to
> be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am not
> quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office and
> not you.
> 
> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. Therefore,
> if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
> professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick note
> to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and will
> be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors who
> really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
> appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with larger
> class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
> 
> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how you
> feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
> inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way if a
> professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it as
> well.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
> 
> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
> classes.  
> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
> classes?  
> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator
> to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
> spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
> about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about
> it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
> Someone please clarify.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 03:51:06 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 21:51:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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	<COL401-EAS66245EA97563A4F3D3E8F9BA650@phx.gbl>
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I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot... 
Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.  Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?  I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against University policy.  
Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?  I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about these things.  
So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
> 
> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.
> 
> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
> 
> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO. 
> 
> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
>> than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why your
>> professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem to
>> be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am not
>> quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office and
>> not you.
>> 
>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. Therefore,
>> if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
>> professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick note
>> to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and will
>> be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors who
>> really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
>> appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with larger
>> class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>> 
>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how you
>> feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
>> inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way if a
>> professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it as
>> well.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>> 
>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>> classes.  
>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>> classes?  
>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator
>> to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
>> spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
>> about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about
>> it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>> Someone please clarify.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Apr 28 03:55:23 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 22:55:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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	<COL401-EAS66245EA97563A4F3D3E8F9BA650@phx.gbl>
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I am pretty sure it is not allowed. Your professor should not be able to go to your disability services Cordinator about something that has nothing to do with your accommodations. I am fairly sure that is against the policy of most universities. And besides that, it's just plain degrading! I think your opinions and feelings are completely valid. I would feel pretty upset too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot... 
> Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.  Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?  I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against University policy.  
> Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?  I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about these things.  
> So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>> 
>> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.
>> 
>> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>> 
>> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO. 
>> 
>> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anna,
>>> 
>>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
>>> than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why your
>>> professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem to
>>> be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am not
>>> quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office and
>>> not you.
>>> 
>>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. Therefore,
>>> if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
>>> professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick note
>>> to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and will
>>> be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors who
>>> really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
>>> appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with larger
>>> class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
>>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>> 
>>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how you
>>> feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
>>> inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way if a
>>> professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>> 
>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
>>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
>>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>>> classes.  
>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>>> classes?  
>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator
>>> to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
>>> spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
>>> about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about
>>> it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
>>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
>>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>> Someone please clarify.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 28 05:05:54 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 01:05:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Anna,

I think every college is different about policies.
Generally, professors should speak to you regarding issues in their class. 
They should only contact the disability office for accomodations matters.
Even then, they really should speak to students first.

I've also had instances where professors went to the dss before going to me 
about concerns, usually disability related though.
Not anything like your situation.
I'd tell the coordinator that you missed class and why and assure her you 
are okay.

I think you should just talk to the professor and let her know to speak to 
you about  concerns she has.
Maybe she thinks dss controls more than they do or something.
I think if you speak up and let her know you are open to communication, she 
will not go to dss like that again.
Its frustrating, but sometimes  professors seem to think
that dss knows accomodations more than us.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be 
absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not 
just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It 
would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot...
Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not. 
Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the 
beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but 
mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok? 
I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to 
be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I 
mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her 
I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's 
disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against 
University policy.
Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with 
that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do 
with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So 
anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed? 
I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want 
to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about 
these things.
So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense 
> to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>
> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with 
> your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone 
> who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your 
> coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a 
> sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this 
> is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning 
> to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing 
> with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She 
> could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common 
> sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that 
> uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the 
> window.
>
> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during 
> the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>
> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know 
> someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I 
> find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they 
> are doing is completely ridiculous IMO.
>
> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have 
> grounds to get a bit snippy.
>
> Hope this helps.
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Anna,
>>
>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
>> than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why 
>> your
>> professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem 
>> to
>> be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am 
>> not
>> quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office 
>> and
>> not you.
>>
>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. 
>> Therefore,
>> if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
>> professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick 
>> note
>> to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and 
>> will
>> be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors 
>> who
>> really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
>> appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with 
>> larger
>> class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller 
>> classes
>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>
>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how 
>> you
>> feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
>> inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way 
>> if a
>> professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it 
>> as
>> well.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>
>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.
>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email 
>> said
>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me 
>> and
>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>> classes.
>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>> classes?
>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS 
>> coordinator
>> to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
>> spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
>> about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator 
>> about
>> it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or 
>> anything?
>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to 
>> my
>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>> Someone please clarify.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 05:54:26 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 23:54:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Agreed.
This actually kind of brings up a whole other issue that I have thought about in the past few months.  
I have come to the realization that college faculty have no training what so ever in dealing with students with disabilities.  I am wonderig if anyone or any group has ever made a collective effort to inform or educate faculty on basic topics such as, how to speak to students with disabilities, how to teach students with disabilities, how to address suspected disabilities, how/when or when not to interact with DRS on behalf of a student, or other similar issues.  It occurs to me that it would serve the entire University well if the DRS office had some kind of seminar to inform faculty on some basic things that every faculty should know.  And if the DRS for some unknown reason doesn't do this (which they don't), how can we help with this job of educating faculty of the basics?  Or who can?  Has anyone thought about this before, or done this?
Thoughts?

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 27, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Anna,
> 
> I think every college is different about policies.
> Generally, professors should speak to you regarding issues in their class. They should only contact the disability office for accomodations matters.
> Even then, they really should speak to students first.
> 
> I've also had instances where professors went to the dss before going to me about concerns, usually disability related though.
> Not anything like your situation.
> I'd tell the coordinator that you missed class and why and assure her you are okay.
> 
> I think you should just talk to the professor and let her know to speak to you about  concerns she has.
> Maybe she thinks dss controls more than they do or something.
> I think if you speak up and let her know you are open to communication, she will not go to dss like that again.
> Its frustrating, but sometimes  professors seem to think
> that dss knows accomodations more than us.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
> 
> I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot...
> Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not. Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok? I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against University policy.
> Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed? I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about these things.
> So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>> 
>> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.
>> 
>> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>> 
>> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO.
>> 
>> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anna,
>>> 
>>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss more
>>> than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is why your
>>> professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this does not seem to
>>> be an accommodation that a blind student would typically need, so I am not
>>> quite sure why your professor chose to contact the disabilities office and
>>> not you.
>>> 
>>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. Therefore,
>>> if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will generally contact my
>>> professors to let them know what is going on. Sometimes sending a quick note
>>> to let your professor know that you have been sick with a bad cold and will
>>> be back in class the next class period can go a long way with professors who
>>> really care about their students. However, I am not quite sure how
>>> appropriate or necessary this would be for a larger university with larger
>>> class sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
>>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>> 
>>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about how you
>>> feel as though her communication with the disabilities office was
>>> inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the same way if a
>>> professor contacted the disabilities office without notifying me about it as
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>> 
>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.
>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
>>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
>>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>>> classes.
>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>>> classes?
>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS coordinator
>>> to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?  She never
>>> spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking to me
>>> about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator about
>>> it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
>>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
>>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>> Someone please clarify.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 09:28:51 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 05:28:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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It's ntot allowed; professors don't contact DSS offices concerning a student unless the student iniciates a dialogue, and even then, it is just for accommodations.  The student is in responsible for advocating for his or her own accommodations, with help from the DSS offices as support.  
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KENNEDY STOMBERG via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:55 PM
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Cc: KENNEDY STOMBERG <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

I am pretty sure it is not allowed. Your professor should not be able to go to your disability services Cordinator about something that has nothing to do with your accommodations. I am fairly sure that is against the policy of most universities. And besides that, it's just plain degrading! I think your opinions and feelings are completely valid. I would feel pretty upset too.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 10:51 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot... 
> Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.  Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?  I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against University policy.  
> Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?  I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about these things.  
> So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>> 
>> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.
>> 
>> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>> 
>> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO. 
>> 
>> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Anna,
>>> 
>>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss 
>>> more than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the 
>>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable 
>>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is 
>>> why your professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this 
>>> does not seem to be an accommodation that a blind student would 
>>> typically need, so I am not quite sure why your professor chose to 
>>> contact the disabilities office and not you.
>>> 
>>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where 
>>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. 
>>> Therefore, if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will 
>>> generally contact my professors to let them know what is going on. 
>>> Sometimes sending a quick note to let your professor know that you 
>>> have been sick with a bad cold and will be back in class the next 
>>> class period can go a long way with professors who really care about 
>>> their students. However, I am not quite sure how appropriate or 
>>> necessary this would be for a larger university with larger class 
>>> sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>> 
>>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about 
>>> how you feel as though her communication with the disabilities 
>>> office was inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably 
>>> feel the same way if a professor contacted the disabilities office 
>>> without notifying me about it as well.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna 
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>> 
>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the 
>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her 
>>> email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my 
>>> coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my 
>>> professor said i had missed some classes.
>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i 
>>> missed classes?
>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS 
>>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do 
>>> that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is 
>>> she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk 
>>> to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
>>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My 
>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as 
>>> related to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in 
>>> working things out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>> Someone please clarify.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:36:11 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 08:36:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
Message-ID: <572203de.87b2320a.8e581.4256@mx.google.com>

Hi Anna thanks for your message.  The role of the Office of 
Students with Disabilities is to assist you in getting the 
appropriate accommodations for each of your classes.  Your 
professor should have asked you about why you missed class if she 
was concerned.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 28 14:00:24 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 10:00:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Hello Anna,

It sounds to me like you are rather upset regarding this situation. However, I would probably be just as upset if I had faced this same situation.

Since different colleges and universities have different policies regarding accommodations, if you have any questions about the policies regarding your specific college or university, I would suggest that you ask to receive a copy of these policies from your disabilities office.

In general, it seems to me the best line of communication regarding accommodations is through direct communication between a student and a professor. If for some reason there is a problem with this direct communication, then the disabilities office should be willing to act as a mediator between the student and the professor. However, there should ever be any communication from the professor to the disabilities office without notifying the student.

If your professor was simply contacting the disabilities office to inquire about you missing a class, then this was inappropriate for your professor to do. The role of a disabilities office is simply to help coordinate accommodations for students on campus. The role of the disabilities office should not be to speak on behalf of a student, especially concerning the personal matters of a student. If the email was simply about why you were missing class, then I would believe what your professor did was wrong. However, if the disabilities office responded to the email, and said anything other than the professor needs to ask you this question,  then I believe the disabilities office did something wrong here as well.

Others with more experience can chime in on this if I am somehow incorrect about this, however, I believe the clause in the Americans with Disabilities Act stating that a person has the right to refuse any accommodation they do not want is probably the strongest argument as to why your professor should be talking to you and not the disabilities office. There have been discussions on the NABS email list in the past that have discussed putting together a list of best practices disabilities offices and professors should use when working with blind students. However, I am not quite sure if any official document was created based on any of these discussions. Perhaps the pamphlet of the "Courteous Rules of Blindness" might be something you might find to be helpful. If this pamphlet is still around, you should be able to find it on the NFB website.

I have never encountered a professor who would rather speak to the disabilities office instead of talking directly to me. The only time I can think of where a professor talked to someone from the disabilities office instead of me is when a professor talked to a reader to see what would be the best way to do pop quizzes without providing me with any additional information as to whether or not we would be having a pop quiz on any particular day. However, this conversation took place in class before the class started, so I knew the conversation took place. So having a conversation take place between your professor and the disabilities office without your knowledge of it taking place just does not seem right to me.

Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful for your specific situation. It definitely sounds like a rather frustrating experience. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies

I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot... 
Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.  Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?  I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against University policy.  
Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?  I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about these things.  
So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
> 
> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the window.
> 
> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
> 
> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they are doing is completely ridiculous IMO. 
> 
> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have grounds to get a bit snippy.
> 
> Hope this helps.
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss 
>> more than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the 
>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable 
>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is 
>> why your professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this 
>> does not seem to be an accommodation that a blind student would 
>> typically need, so I am not quite sure why your professor chose to 
>> contact the disabilities office and not you.
>> 
>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where 
>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade. 
>> Therefore, if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will 
>> generally contact my professors to let them know what is going on. 
>> Sometimes sending a quick note to let your professor know that you 
>> have been sick with a bad cold and will be back in class the next 
>> class period can go a long way with professors who really care about 
>> their students. However, I am not quite sure how appropriate or 
>> necessary this would be for a larger university with larger class 
>> sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>> 
>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about 
>> how you feel as though her communication with the disabilities office 
>> was inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the 
>> same way if a professor contacted the disabilities office without 
>> notifying me about it as well.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>> 
>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the 
>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her 
>> email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my 
>> coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my 
>> professor said i had missed some classes.
>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i 
>> missed classes?
>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS 
>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do 
>> that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is 
>> she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk 
>> to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or anything?
>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My 
>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related 
>> to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things 
>> out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>> Someone please clarify.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
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From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 16:23:57 2016
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 11:23:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Anna,
To echo what everyone has already said, the prof was wrong. The
disability office should have very nicely told your professor that she
needs to ask you that question and not them. If your disability office
answered for you, then I also agree, they were in the wrong to discuss
something about you that is not disability related with your prof.
You also mentioned something about faculty in general not being aware
of how to interact with students with disabilities, and you were
wondering if someone had ever put together any training for
faculty/staff at a university on general disability etiquette. We here
at the university of Oklahoma have thought of the same thing, and I
can tell you that the disability advocacy student group is working
with the disability office at OU to put together such training. I work
in the disability office here, and I am helping to build a mandatory
faculty training so that professors and others will learn general
disability etiquette. We are hoping that other universities can use
what we put together to create their own faculty/staff training.
Laurel


On 4/28/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Anna,
>
> It sounds to me like you are rather upset regarding this situation. However,
> I would probably be just as upset if I had faced this same situation.
>
> Since different colleges and universities have different policies regarding
> accommodations, if you have any questions about the policies regarding your
> specific college or university, I would suggest that you ask to receive a
> copy of these policies from your disabilities office.
>
> In general, it seems to me the best line of communication regarding
> accommodations is through direct communication between a student and a
> professor. If for some reason there is a problem with this direct
> communication, then the disabilities office should be willing to act as a
> mediator between the student and the professor. However, there should ever
> be any communication from the professor to the disabilities office without
> notifying the student.
>
> If your professor was simply contacting the disabilities office to inquire
> about you missing a class, then this was inappropriate for your professor to
> do. The role of a disabilities office is simply to help coordinate
> accommodations for students on campus. The role of the disabilities office
> should not be to speak on behalf of a student, especially concerning the
> personal matters of a student. If the email was simply about why you were
> missing class, then I would believe what your professor did was wrong.
> However, if the disabilities office responded to the email, and said
> anything other than the professor needs to ask you this question,  then I
> believe the disabilities office did something wrong here as well.
>
> Others with more experience can chime in on this if I am somehow incorrect
> about this, however, I believe the clause in the Americans with Disabilities
> Act stating that a person has the right to refuse any accommodation they do
> not want is probably the strongest argument as to why your professor should
> be talking to you and not the disabilities office. There have been
> discussions on the NABS email list in the past that have discussed putting
> together a list of best practices disabilities offices and professors should
> use when working with blind students. However, I am not quite sure if any
> official document was created based on any of these discussions. Perhaps the
> pamphlet of the "Courteous Rules of Blindness" might be something you might
> find to be helpful. If this pamphlet is still around, you should be able to
> find it on the NFB website.
>
> I have never encountered a professor who would rather speak to the
> disabilities office instead of talking directly to me. The only time I can
> think of where a professor talked to someone from the disabilities office
> instead of me is when a professor talked to a reader to see what would be
> the best way to do pop quizzes without providing me with any additional
> information as to whether or not we would be having a pop quiz on any
> particular day. However, this conversation took place in class before the
> class started, so I knew the conversation took place. So having a
> conversation take place between your professor and the disabilities office
> without your knowledge of it taking place just does not seem right to me.
>
> Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful for your specific
> situation. It definitely sounds like a rather frustrating experience.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:51 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>
> I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be
> absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not
> just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It
> would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot...
> Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.
> Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the
> beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but
> mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?
> I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to
> be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I
> mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her
> I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's
> disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against
> University policy.
> Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with
> that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do
> with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So
> anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?
> I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want
> to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about
> these things.
> So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense
>> to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>>
>> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with
>> your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone
>> who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your
>> coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a
>> sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this
>> is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning
>> to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing
>> with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She
>> could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common
>> sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that
>> uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the
>> window.
>>
>> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during
>> the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>>
>> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know
>> someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I
>> find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they
>> are doing is completely ridiculous IMO.
>>
>> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have
>> grounds to get a bit snippy.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Anna,
>>>
>>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss
>>> more than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is
>>> why your professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this
>>> does not seem to be an accommodation that a blind student would
>>> typically need, so I am not quite sure why your professor chose to
>>> contact the disabilities office and not you.
>>>
>>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade.
>>> Therefore, if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will
>>> generally contact my professors to let them know what is going on.
>>> Sometimes sending a quick note to let your professor know that you
>>> have been sick with a bad cold and will be back in class the next
>>> class period can go a long way with professors who really care about
>>> their students. However, I am not quite sure how appropriate or
>>> necessary this would be for a larger university with larger class
>>> sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
>>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>>
>>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about
>>> how you feel as though her communication with the disabilities office
>>> was inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the
>>> same way if a professor contacted the disabilities office without
>>> notifying me about it as well.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
>>> nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>>
>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.
>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her
>>> email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my
>>> coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my
>>> professor said i had missed some classes.
>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i
>>> missed classes?
>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
>>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do
>>> that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is
>>> she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk
>>> to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability
>>> or accomodations or anything?
>>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related
>>> to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things
>>> out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>> Someone please clarify.
>>>
>>> Anna E Givens
>>>
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 17:38:14 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:38:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking the AC T and SAT's
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Hello everyone, hope you are having a wonderful day.
I was wondering if anybody could give me some tips on how to take the AC T's and the SATs? I do not know braille nor can I see large print that well anymore. Do you guys know if these test are offered online?

Sent from my iPhone

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Thu Apr 28 17:43:55 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:43:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking the AC T and SAT's
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No, they are not. You will need to get a reader/scribe for the exam since you are unable to read braille or print.


God bless.--Christina

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 13:38, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, hope you are having a wonderful day.
> I was wondering if anybody could give me some tips on how to take the AC T's and the SATs? I do not know braille nor can I see large print that well anymore. Do you guys know if these test are offered online?
> 
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From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 17:47:16 2016
From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:47:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking the AC T and SAT's
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How do I do that?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> No, they are not. You will need to get a reader/scribe for the exam since you are unable to read braille or print.
> 
> 
> God bless.--Christina
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 13:38, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone, hope you are having a wonderful day.
>> I was wondering if anybody could give me some tips on how to take the AC T's and the SATs? I do not know braille nor can I see large print that well anymore. Do you guys know if these test are offered online?
>> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 18:19:19 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 12:19:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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That sounds good Laurel.
What advocacy group is it?

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 10:23 AM, Laurel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Anna,
> To echo what everyone has already said, the prof was wrong. The
> disability office should have very nicely told your professor that she
> needs to ask you that question and not them. If your disability office
> answered for you, then I also agree, they were in the wrong to discuss
> something about you that is not disability related with your prof.
> You also mentioned something about faculty in general not being aware
> of how to interact with students with disabilities, and you were
> wondering if someone had ever put together any training for
> faculty/staff at a university on general disability etiquette. We here
> at the university of Oklahoma have thought of the same thing, and I
> can tell you that the disability advocacy student group is working
> with the disability office at OU to put together such training. I work
> in the disability office here, and I am helping to build a mandatory
> faculty training so that professors and others will learn general
> disability etiquette. We are hoping that other universities can use
> what we put together to create their own faculty/staff training.
> Laurel
> 
> 
>> On 4/28/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Anna,
>> 
>> It sounds to me like you are rather upset regarding this situation. However,
>> I would probably be just as upset if I had faced this same situation.
>> 
>> Since different colleges and universities have different policies regarding
>> accommodations, if you have any questions about the policies regarding your
>> specific college or university, I would suggest that you ask to receive a
>> copy of these policies from your disabilities office.
>> 
>> In general, it seems to me the best line of communication regarding
>> accommodations is through direct communication between a student and a
>> professor. If for some reason there is a problem with this direct
>> communication, then the disabilities office should be willing to act as a
>> mediator between the student and the professor. However, there should ever
>> be any communication from the professor to the disabilities office without
>> notifying the student.
>> 
>> If your professor was simply contacting the disabilities office to inquire
>> about you missing a class, then this was inappropriate for your professor to
>> do. The role of a disabilities office is simply to help coordinate
>> accommodations for students on campus. The role of the disabilities office
>> should not be to speak on behalf of a student, especially concerning the
>> personal matters of a student. If the email was simply about why you were
>> missing class, then I would believe what your professor did was wrong.
>> However, if the disabilities office responded to the email, and said
>> anything other than the professor needs to ask you this question,  then I
>> believe the disabilities office did something wrong here as well.
>> 
>> Others with more experience can chime in on this if I am somehow incorrect
>> about this, however, I believe the clause in the Americans with Disabilities
>> Act stating that a person has the right to refuse any accommodation they do
>> not want is probably the strongest argument as to why your professor should
>> be talking to you and not the disabilities office. There have been
>> discussions on the NABS email list in the past that have discussed putting
>> together a list of best practices disabilities offices and professors should
>> use when working with blind students. However, I am not quite sure if any
>> official document was created based on any of these discussions. Perhaps the
>> pamphlet of the "Courteous Rules of Blindness" might be something you might
>> find to be helpful. If this pamphlet is still around, you should be able to
>> find it on the NFB website.
>> 
>> I have never encountered a professor who would rather speak to the
>> disabilities office instead of talking directly to me. The only time I can
>> think of where a professor talked to someone from the disabilities office
>> instead of me is when a professor talked to a reader to see what would be
>> the best way to do pop quizzes without providing me with any additional
>> information as to whether or not we would be having a pop quiz on any
>> particular day. However, this conversation took place in class before the
>> class started, so I knew the conversation took place. So having a
>> conversation take place between your professor and the disabilities office
>> without your knowledge of it taking place just does not seem right to me.
>> 
>> Anyway, I hope you find this information to be helpful for your specific
>> situation. It definitely sounds like a rather frustrating experience.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:51 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>> 
>> I agree that it is a good policy to notify professors when you must be
>> absence.  I do it just to show that I am dedicated to the class, and not
>> just skipping it.  I notified her once and the second time I did not.  It
>> would have been good if I did, but I think I forgot...
>> Having said that, it makes no difference whether I notified her or not.
>> Attendance is part of the grade but that was made aware to all of us in the
>> beginning.  My presence or absence, or grades, are nobody's business but
>> mine.  What I want to know is not so much why she did that, but is that ok?
>> I have had situations in the past where things are sent to my coordinator to
>> be sent to me, or told to her to be told to me.  And I didn't like it, and I
>> mentioned it.  It wasn't ever a huge deal before.  But going and telling her
>> I've missed class, is over the top ridiculous to me.  In my view, it's
>> disrespectful,inappropriate,unnecessary and I would assume against
>> University policy.
>> Why would a University even allow a professor to go to someone at DRS with
>> that information?  I realize it could, in some cases, have something to do
>> with accomodations, but in this case it has nothing at all to do with it. So
>> anyway, what I really want to know is whether or not this is even allowed?
>> I want to ask my DRS for a copy of their policies and such but I don't want
>> to cause issues, I just realize that I want/need to be more educated about
>> these things.
>> So I'm just kinda wondering if anyone knows about general policy.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I cannot speak for your professor, but this is the only way it makes sense
>>> to me…keep in mind, i said makes sense, i did not say I agree.
>>> 
>>> She probably spoke with your coordinator because she’s uncomfortable with
>>> your blindness, and she probably feels more comfortable talking to someone
>>> who’s sighted but who understands your disability.  It’s like your
>>> coordinator is the middle man in this or she’s using the coordinator as a
>>> sort of buffer against her own discomfort about your disability.  If this
>>> is the case, it is here ignorance, but I don’t think your prof is meaning
>>> to be difficult or to go behind your back. She’s probably just dealing
>>> with having a blind student in her class the only way she knows how. She
>>> could have been concerned, but didn’t know how to approach you.  Common
>>> sense would say to talk to the student directly, but if she’s that
>>> uncomfortable with your disability, common sense could have gone out the
>>> window.
>>> 
>>> I’d advise talking to her, but not to take it too personal, unless, during
>>> the conversation, she does say something to give offense.
>>> 
>>> I’m pretty low key when it comes to this sort of thing though.  If I know
>>> someone means well and what they’re doing is not putting me in danger, I
>>> find it difficult just to get upset and angry at them, even if what they
>>> are doing is completely ridiculous IMO.
>>> 
>>> After you talk with her, if she does it again, then i think you have
>>> grounds to get a bit snippy.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Anna,
>>>> 
>>>> I believe in some cases allowing a student with a disability to miss
>>>> more than the allotted hours of class can be included as part of the
>>>> accommodations a student can receive from a college as a reasonable
>>>> accommodation. Perhaps your college has such a policy, and this is
>>>> why your professor contacted the disabilities office. However, this
>>>> does not seem to be an accommodation that a blind student would
>>>> typically need, so I am not quite sure why your professor chose to
>>>> contact the disabilities office and not you.
>>>> 
>>>> I attend a community college where class sizes are small, and where
>>>> attending class is generally counted as part of our final grade.
>>>> Therefore, if I have missed two class periods in a row, I will
>>>> generally contact my professors to let them know what is going on.
>>>> Sometimes sending a quick note to let your professor know that you
>>>> have been sick with a bad cold and will be back in class the next
>>>> class period can go a long way with professors who really care about
>>>> their students. However, I am not quite sure how appropriate or
>>>> necessary this would be for a larger university with larger class
>>>> sizes. This is just something I find works well with smaller classes
>>>> where you have more of a relationship with the professor.
>>>> 
>>>> Whether or not you choose to say something to your professor about
>>>> how you feel as though her communication with the disabilities office
>>>> was inappropriate is up to you. However, I would probably feel the
>>>> same way if a professor contacted the disabilities office without
>>>> notifying me about it as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
>>>> nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 5:59 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>>> 
>>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.
>>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her
>>>> email said other than that i had missed some classes.  So my
>>>> coordinator emailed me and asked me if everything was ok cuz my
>>>> professor said i had missed some classes.
>>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i
>>>> missed classes?
>>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
>>>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do
>>>> that?  She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is
>>>> she not talking to me about it, and what right does she have to talk
>>>> to the DRS coordinator about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability
>>>> or accomodations or anything?
>>>> Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related
>>>> to my blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things
>>>> out with professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>>> Someone please clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>> 
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From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 19:43:55 2016
From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 15:43:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking the AC T and SAT's
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There might be   A assessable format for assistive technology

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> On Apr 28, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How do I do that?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> No, they are not. You will need to get a reader/scribe for the exam since you are unable to read braille or print.
>> 
>> 
>> God bless.--Christina
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 13:38, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone, hope you are having a wonderful day.
>>> I was wondering if anybody could give me some tips on how to take the AC T's and the SATs? I do not know braille nor can I see large print that well anymore. Do you guys know if these test are offered online?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 23:07:50 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:07:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
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Hi Anna and all! How are you all? Yes, I agree with you that the dissability office, should not get involve  if you miss classes and sso on! And the Professor, should ask you! Not just ask your dissability office advisor! And another thing, I think your advisor is also concern! Now that your DSS advisor ask you about it! Maybe you can just talk to her or him about what ahppen and be nice with him or her! I In my opinion,  I think the dSS advisor helps and so on! But yes, they should not ask you private  questions, unless you go to him or her! In this case, the professor did not do the correct thing here! Tell your dSS advisor that the Professor should have ask  you, not send you an emil to you. Just clarify that with your dSS advisor and next time will not ahppen again! And one last thing, you can have a letter of accommodation for your classes that any concerns that you have regarding the student, you should speak with the student first, prior contacting the office. I think many Professors don't know that and they think we can handle things due to our dissability. We should just educate them! Hope these suggestions help! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) 

Helga Schreiber 

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> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:22 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Your professor should have e-mailed you.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
> 
> It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
> email to you would have been nice first. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
> classes.  
>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
> classes?  
>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
> She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
> to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
> about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
> anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>> Someone please clarify.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
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From eemcrew at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 20:00:33 2016
From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:00:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking the AC T and SAT's
In-Reply-To: <969ECC4C-3F27-424C-ABE9-AF6110563FE6@gmail.com>
References: <C7233C8D-67B6-4527-A364-59C0778185F7@gmail.com>
	<B405AB95-58B3-462F-B27C-AF2D04A43201@houghton.edu>
	<265D4C23-F0BC-41DC-814D-72D7EB2AFD7C@gmail.com>
	<969ECC4C-3F27-424C-ABE9-AF6110563FE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF592DEF-35F6-4AD8-80C3-9D80288EFF32@gmail.com>

If you have an IEP, that is an accommodation that you can request. That is how I took my exams for high school, but if you don't have an IEP, you may need to talk to somebody in the special ed department to get the accommodation.

Ellana Crew, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

> On Apr 28, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Taylor Arndt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There might be   A assessable format for assistive technology
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 1:47 PM, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> How do I do that?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, they are not. You will need to get a reader/scribe for the exam since you are unable to read braille or print.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God bless.--Christina
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 28, 2016, at 13:38, Angela via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone, hope you are having a wonderful day.
>>>> I was wondering if anybody could give me some tips on how to take the AC T's and the SATs? I do not know braille nor can I see large print that well anymore. Do you guys know if these test are offered online?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 23:40:41 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 16:40:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] locked) freshold
Message-ID: <57229fa0.1b67620a.833a5.2ce8@mx.google.com>

Hi, I googled windows lockout shreshold.  Does this feature apply 
to both standerd users and administrators? Can an administrator 
account be locked also with account lockout threshold?


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Apr 29 03:38:21 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 22:38:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
In-Reply-To: <D2F56D18-42D5-47F7-8705-189D7F2E1E32@gmail.com>
References: <3E0201F5-CA19-4372-99E6-9B2A6C94620C@gmail.com>
	<7F980290-0531-4304-82EA-BB33B3B1EB3C@gmail.com>
	<000d01d1a0d3$4a4cdd30$dee69790$@gmail.com>
	<D2F56D18-42D5-47F7-8705-189D7F2E1E32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <065520C5-13F9-4069-81A0-96E216C3A23D@coe.edu>

My school just got a new DSS coordinator, and she held a seminar for faculty this year. It was about general disability etequete. However, it was voluntary, and only the faculty who already cared about helping students with disabilities went to the seminar.
I don't know that it's possible to make such training mandatory, is it? How would one go about enforcing it? Especially since faculty are already tenured a lot of the time. So they can't be fired or laid off if they don't go.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna and all! How are you all? Yes, I agree with you that the dissability office, should not get involve  if you miss classes and sso on! And the Professor, should ask you! Not just ask your dissability office advisor! And another thing, I think your advisor is also concern! Now that your DSS advisor ask you about it! Maybe you can just talk to her or him about what ahppen and be nice with him or her! I In my opinion,  I think the dSS advisor helps and so on! But yes, they should not ask you private  questions, unless you go to him or her! In this case, the professor did not do the correct thing here! Tell your dSS advisor that the Professor should have ask  you, not send you an emil to you. Just clarify that with your dSS advisor and next time will not ahppen again! And one last thing, you can have a letter of accommodation for your classes that any concerns that you have regarding the student, you should speak with the student first, prior contacting the office. I think many Professors don't know that and they think we can handle things due to our dissability. We should just educate them! Hope these suggestions help! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1    
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:22 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Your professor should have e-mailed you.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>> 
>> It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
>> email to you would have been nice first. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>> classes.  
>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>> classes?  
>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
>> She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
>> to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
>> about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
>> anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>> Someone please clarify.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 03:58:33 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 21:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
In-Reply-To: <065520C5-13F9-4069-81A0-96E216C3A23D@coe.edu>
References: <3E0201F5-CA19-4372-99E6-9B2A6C94620C@gmail.com>
	<7F980290-0531-4304-82EA-BB33B3B1EB3C@gmail.com>
	<000d01d1a0d3$4a4cdd30$dee69790$@gmail.com>
	<D2F56D18-42D5-47F7-8705-189D7F2E1E32@gmail.com>
	<065520C5-13F9-4069-81A0-96E216C3A23D@coe.edu>
Message-ID: <DCEE84D2-259B-4016-B113-C9BCA4C1A766@gmail.com>

In my view having a voluntary seminar is way better than having nothing.  Making it mandatory would be great though.  I don't know how any of that would work.  I feel like it is about finding the right people.  When finals are over I am going to start looking into it more.  And I would like to hear more about this idea from others as well.

Anna E Givens


> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:38 PM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> My school just got a new DSS coordinator, and she held a seminar for faculty this year. It was about general disability etequete. However, it was voluntary, and only the faculty who already cared about helping students with disabilities went to the seminar.
> I don't know that it's possible to make such training mandatory, is it? How would one go about enforcing it? Especially since faculty are already tenured a lot of the time. So they can't be fired or laid off if they don't go.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:07 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anna and all! How are you all? Yes, I agree with you that the dissability office, should not get involve  if you miss classes and sso on! And the Professor, should ask you! Not just ask your dissability office advisor! And another thing, I think your advisor is also concern! Now that your DSS advisor ask you about it! Maybe you can just talk to her or him about what ahppen and be nice with him or her! I In my opinion,  I think the dSS advisor helps and so on! But yes, they should not ask you private  questions, unless you go to him or her! In this case, the professor did not do the correct thing here! Tell your dSS advisor that the Professor should have ask  you, not send you an emil to you. Just clarify that with your dSS advisor and next time will not ahppen again! And one last thing, you can have a letter of accommodation for your classes that any concerns that you have regarding the student, you should speak with the student first, prior contacting the office. I think many Professors don't know that and they think we can handle things due to our dissability. We should just educate them! Hope these suggestions help! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.1    
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 6:22 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Your professor should have e-mailed you.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 6:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Aleeha Dudley <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Disability office policies
>>> 
>>> It should not be any business of DRS. I get that she is conceraned, but an
>>> email to you would have been nice first. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 27, 2016, at 16:59, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey I have a question about something that happened at school.  
>>>> I missed a couple classes and my professor apparently emailed the
>>> coordinator lady at the disability office.  I don't know what her email said
>>> other than that i had missed some classes.  So my coordinator emailed me and
>>> asked me if everything was ok cuz my professor said i had missed some
>>> classes.  
>>>> My question is, is it any business of my DRS coordinator that i missed
>>> classes?  
>>>> What is the policy on bypassing the student and going to the DRS
>>> coordinator to say I've missed classes?  Why would my professor do that?
>>> She never spoke to me about it.  If she is concerned, why is she not talking
>>> to me about it, and what right does she have to talk to the DRS coordinator
>>> about it.  It has nothing to do with my disability or accomodations or
>>> anything?  Does someone have a better understanding of the role of DRS?  My
>>> understanding was that the role of DRS is to accomodate me as related to my
>>> blindness and to help me (if i ask for help) in working things out with
>>> professors in relation to accommodations. Nothing else.
>>>> Someone please clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Apr 29 18:04:22 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 13:04:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Paid Google Research with PwD
Message-ID: <auto-000056510436@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>
>From: Austin Hertell [mailto:ahertell at google.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 12:40 PM
>Subject: Paid Google Research with PwD
>
>
>Hello,
>
>Greetings from the Accessibility Engineering Team here at 
>Google!  As part of our efforts to make Google products more 
>accessible, we conduct paid research sessions with users with all 
>types of disabilities.  We conduct studies both in-person at our 
>offices in SF and NYC, as well as remotely via video or 
>phone.  Users who are selected for and complete our study sessions 
>are generally compensated at $125 an hour, paid out in gift cards 
>that are redeemable at a wide variety of retailers around the country.
>
>If you, or anyone you know, would be interested in signing up for a 
>study and testing our products, please visit 
><https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKw9fqFKx7FgOaOA-GP5m-6LvGM_HDkBH36FpbFExt8/viewform?entry.1840504930&entry.767183713&entry.56281283&entry.2035380197&entry.1567833329&entry.1093159374&entry.1787236126=CSUN2016>this 
>link.  Anyone who signs up at this site will be notified of upcoming 
>research studies that are a match for his or her unique user 
>profile.  The link above is shareable, so please feel free to 
>forward this email along to anyone with a disability who you feel 
>may be interested!
>
>  Don't have a disability, but still interested in testing Google 
> products?  Please sign up <http://www.google.com/usability/>here.
>
>If you are not interested in receiving future notifications for our 
>studies, please let me know directly.  You may contact me at 
><mailto:ahertell at google.com>ahertell at google.com with any questions 
>or concerns regarding our user research program. Additional 
>information on our current projects involving accessibility may be 
>found at <http://google.com/accessibility>google.com/accessibility.
>
>
>
>**In case the signup hyperlink above does not work, here is the 
>entire address: 
>(<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKw9fqFKx7FgOaOA-GP5m-6LvGM_HDkBH36FpbFExt8/viewform?entry.1840504930&entry.767183713&entry.56281283&entry.2035380197&entry.1567833329&entry.1093159374&entry.1787236126=CSUN2016>https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1zKw9fqFKx7FgOaOA-GP5m-6LvGM_HDkBH36FpbFExt8/viewform?entry.1840504930&entry.767183713&entry.56281283&entry.2035380197&entry.1567833329&entry.1093159374&entry.1787236126=CSUN2016)
>
>
>Thank you in advance,
>
>Austin
>
>
>--
>
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>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 19:04:39 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 14:04:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my Rehab
	Counselor
Message-ID: <572501dd.c79e810a.e1cee.ffff857a@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I am wondering how I can best deal with a situation regarding 
vocational rehab.
I sent my counselor an email about a week ago, and have still not 
gotten a response back.  However, a couple of days ago my 
counselor sent something which they thought would be of interest 
to all clients (the e-mail said it was to undisclosed 
recipients).  This means that my counselor has been using their 
e-mail, so my message was either disregarded, or simply not seen.  
I already went into my Gmail to make sure that my message was 
delivered, which it has.
Would it be appropriate to resend the e-mail with a message 
saying something like, "I sent you a message a week ago, but you 
may not have seen it"
Thanks,
Vejas


From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 19:51:18 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 13:51:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my
	Rehab	Counselor
In-Reply-To: <572501dd.c79e810a.e1cee.ffff857a@mx.google.com>
References: <572501dd.c79e810a.e1cee.ffff857a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000201d1a319$aa3bf120$feb3d360$@gmail.com>

I think it is totally appropriate.
Go for it.
A

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 1:05 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my Rehab
Counselor

Hi,
I am wondering how I can best deal with a situation regarding vocational
rehab.
I sent my counselor an email about a week ago, and have still not gotten a
response back.  However, a couple of days ago my counselor sent something
which they thought would be of interest to all clients (the e-mail said it
was to undisclosed recipients).  This means that my counselor has been using
their e-mail, so my message was either disregarded, or simply not seen.  
I already went into my Gmail to make sure that my message was delivered,
which it has.
Would it be appropriate to resend the e-mail with a message saying something
like, "I sent you a message a week ago, but you may not have seen it"
Thanks,
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 20:02:36 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:02:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my
	Rehab	Counselor
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Yes; do that.  Your counselor could have just missed the message, or, their
e-mail client may have rerouted it to spam, or something like that.
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:05 PM
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Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my Rehab
Counselor

Hi,
I am wondering how I can best deal with a situation regarding vocational
rehab.
I sent my counselor an email about a week ago, and have still not gotten a
response back.  However, a couple of days ago my counselor sent something
which they thought would be of interest to all clients (the e-mail said it
was to undisclosed recipients).  This means that my counselor has been using
their e-mail, so my message was either disregarded, or simply not seen.  
I already went into my Gmail to make sure that my message was delivered,
which it has.
Would it be appropriate to resend the e-mail with a message saying something
like, "I sent you a message a week ago, but you may not have seen it"
Thanks,
Vejas

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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 20:49:00 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 16:49:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my Rehab
	Counselor
In-Reply-To: <032601d1a31b$3e2df9e0$ba89eda0$@gmail.com>
References: <572501dd.c79e810a.e1cee.ffff857a@mx.google.com>
	<032601d1a31b$3e2df9e0$ba89eda0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87511CCE-D0E7-4CFD-99E7-BF41657F25B5@gmail.com>

And don’t hesitate to follow up with a phone call. That’s not being pushy. Since you did not get an email response, trying another way to get in touch is reasonable.

Best,
Greg

> On Apr 30, 2016, at 4:02 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes; do that.  Your counselor could have just missed the message, or, their
> e-mail client may have rerouted it to spam, or something like that.
> Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2016 3:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] How to Deal With this Situation Regarding my Rehab
> Counselor
> 
> Hi,
> I am wondering how I can best deal with a situation regarding vocational
> rehab.
> I sent my counselor an email about a week ago, and have still not gotten a
> response back.  However, a couple of days ago my counselor sent something
> which they thought would be of interest to all clients (the e-mail said it
> was to undisclosed recipients).  This means that my counselor has been using
> their e-mail, so my message was either disregarded, or simply not seen.  
> I already went into my Gmail to make sure that my message was delivered,
> which it has.
> Would it be appropriate to resend the e-mail with a message saying something
> like, "I sent you a message a week ago, but you may not have seen it"
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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