From betatester329 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 00:17:13 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 16:17:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] vo tutorial Message-ID: <579e86f9.8441ca0a.85847.e4fe@mx.google.com> Hi, I explored the vo tutorial app from Looktel, I completed the first 4 chapters. How do I get the next 4? Is there an inap purchase or how? From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 02:04:37 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 22:04:37 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Interviewing for jobs Message-ID: Hello, I have recently graduated with my bachelor of social work and am searching for a job. How much do you reveal at the interview regarding your visual impairment and the tasks that are required of you? What if you are unsure of whether it'll or not something will be accessible or manageable or if you don't have an immediate solution? What do you respond when asked to describe your weakness? I have no idea what I woke respond. I hope to get some advice as I have an interview on Wednesday before I meet with an employment counselor in the afternoon. Thanks,Amanda From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 03:06:34 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 23:06:34 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Interviewing for jobs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05b601d1eba1$b6a7b040$23f710c0$@gmail.com> You should present yourself as a competent candidate, in order to give your prospective employer confidence that you can do the job. Present yourself as the right person for the job. Have your accommodation and methods for the job in mind, but don't say anything about your visual disability because you should be focusing on how your set of abilities are an asset to the employer. Under the ADA, the employer is not allowed to ask anything about your disability unless it directly relates to an essential job function. If you mention anything about your disability, let it be to show the employer how you have adapted to a situation in the past, and be sure to tie anything like that back to the interview. I've heard of interviews where the employer focused just on the individual's disability. I was in an interview once where the employer was worried that JAWS wouldn't work on their system. I didn't get that job, even though I should have; I didn't know how to counter that, so that one is my fault. So, unless you feel that your answer merits mentioning of your blindness, then avoid doing so. Remember, you, are the agent in the field, so if you truly think that mentioning anything blindness related will help you, then do so. Don't ask for accommodations on a job interview, or mention that you don't have an immediate solution for a task. Nobody has all of the immediate solutions for all tasks before they get onto a job. For us however, I know there is an extra layer of stuff, such as how are you going to read print material or get the forms filled out and so on. Don't mention how you are not sure how all those tasks will be completed. Look at the job description, and map out in your mind how you would accomplish them; feel free to ask us early and often, right now if you want. For a weakness, pick a real weakness which is something that you are genuinely striving to improve. Don't say, I'm a perfectionist, or something that that is too obvious that an employer will see through. Even if that is a weakness, as it is for many of us, that is something that is used often. For an example the weakness I'm working on is not just assuming everyone has all the information, and has done their due diligence with it; I just take for granted that everyone knows what is going on, and there have been times, that if I had taken charge, we would have accomplished our goal, or avoided a problem. It happened this evening actually funny enough, so I am stil a work in progress, but Aren't we all? If you have any questions, or you want to talk more, then just ask. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:05 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: cape.amanda at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Interviewing for jobs Hello, I have recently graduated with my bachelor of social work and am searching for a job. How much do you reveal at the interview regarding your visual impairment and the tasks that are required of you? What if you are unsure of whether it'll or not something will be accessible or manageable or if you don't have an immediate solution? What do you respond when asked to describe your weakness? I have no idea what I woke respond. I hope to get some advice as I have an interview on Wednesday before I meet with an employment counselor in the afternoon. Thanks,Amanda _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 1 22:04:56 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:04:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> Message-ID: Afternoon, Emma, That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student acquires books for school. They want you to invest money in the friggen hard copy, don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're not gonna use the book! Good luck, Emma! CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >Dear all, >What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me >in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the >physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical >books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 23:12:11 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:12:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <579fc7dc.02af370a.ebd14.6b73SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <579fc7dc.02af370a.ebd14.6b73SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Carly, It has something to do with copyright laws. Kind of important if you don't want the copyright owners chasing you down. On 8/1/16, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote: > Afternoon, Emma, > > That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student > acquires books for school. They want you to invest money in the > friggen hard copy, don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're not > gonna use the book! > Good luck, Emma! > CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>Dear all, >>What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me >>in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the >>physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since physical >>books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >>Sent from my iPhone >>_______________________________________________ >>NABS-L mailing list >>NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From sgermano at asu.edu Mon Aug 1 23:16:34 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 18:16:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <579fc7d7.2490420a.5f58b.4a3bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <579fc7d7.2490420a.5f58b.4a3bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No they just want us to pay for using a book like every other student. You are free to sell it back at the end of the semester. On Monday, August 1, 2016, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote: > Afternoon, Emma, > > That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student acquires > books for school. They want you to invest money in the friggen hard copy, > don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're not gonna use the book! > Good luck, Emma! > CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > >> Dear all, >> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in to >> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book has >> to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are inaccessible >> how can I save money and get the access I need? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 23:28:50 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 16:28:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <579fc7d7.2490420a.5f58b.4a3bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Good practice too. We can't always get things free, and it's the same amount of content. Besides, if you think about it, it's a lot more expensive to have someone scan and proofread a book for us than it is to just have a manufactured copy ... So we get way more for way less anyway. On 8/1/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L wrote: > No they just want us to pay for using a book like every other student. You > are free to sell it back at the end of the semester. > > On Monday, August 1, 2016, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L > wrote: > >> Afternoon, Emma, >> >> That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student acquires >> books for school. They want you to invest money in the friggen hard copy, >> don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're not gonna use the book! >> Good luck, Emma! >> CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >>> Dear all, >>> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in >>> to >>> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book >>> has >>> to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are >>> inaccessible >>> how can I save money and get the access I need? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From emitchell927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 01:33:19 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2016 21:33:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: References: <2EF4F526-2CD2-4FE9-A832-CB1CCB225206@gmail.com> <579fc7d7.2490420a.5f58b.4a3bSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <887E9A4B-5DEF-4EF7-8961-0010415C0E96@gmail.com> I requested them through my university library and sent the rental agreements to the books person. Thank you Everyone for your help. This is a great resource. Thank You, Emma > On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:28 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Good practice too. We can't always get things free, and it's the same > amount of content. Besides, if you think about it, it's a lot more > expensive to have someone scan and proofread a book for us than it is > to just have a manufactured copy ... So we get way more for way less > anyway. > > On 8/1/16, Suzanne Germano via NABS-L > wrote: >> No they just want us to pay for using a book like every other student. You >> are free to sell it back at the end of the semester. >> >> On Monday, August 1, 2016, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> Afternoon, Emma, >>> >>> That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student acquires >>> books for school. They want you to invest money in the friggen hard copy, >>> don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're not gonna use the book! >>> Good luck, Emma! >>> CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> What do you do for school books? My university converts them for me in >>>> to >>>> a word document but in order for them to be converted the physical book >>>> has >>>> to be rented or bought. My question since physical books are >>>> inaccessible >>>> how can I save money and get the access I need? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 04:32:28 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 00:32:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college Message-ID: <57a02265.2d3ced0a.edb46.1b94@mx.google.com> It's because the scanned coppy they give you is free. You have to buy the book so you don't get an entirely free copy. You still get both the scan and the hard copy book you can resell, so really you're getting two books for the price of one. Not something I would think anyone should complain about. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list Hi All, I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? Thanks, Vejas From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 2 16:12:28 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 12:12:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> References: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I usually ask my teacher to make comments on my paper using Microsoft Word's comment feature Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. > Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:20:11 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:20:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college In-Reply-To: <57a02265.2d3ced0a.edb46.1b94@mx.google.com> References: <57a02265.2d3ced0a.edb46.1b94@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Exactly. That and the fact that someone has to put the pages in and proofread the scan for you. So you're getting two books and endless hours of labor for the price of one book. And since you can sell that book back, you're basically getting everything for free anyway. Seems like you couldn't get a much better deal, within reason. Blind people don't necessarily have it easy, though some most certainly do, but we do get so much more help and work than we give people credit for. That being said, equal access is important, but the number of people who work to make that happen is truly awe-inspiring. On 8/1/16, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > It's because the scanned coppy they give you is free. You have > to buy the book so you don't get an entirely free copy. You > still get both the scan and the hard copy book you can resell, so > really you're getting two books for the price of one. Not > something I would think anyone should complain about. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ,National Association of Blind Students > mailing list Date sent: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 15:04:56 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Book help for college > > Afternoon, Emma, > > That's the got ya they have come up with when the blind student > acquires books for school. They want you to invest money in the > friggen hard copy, don't ask me why when, everybody knows we're > not > gonna use the book! > Good luck, Emma! > CarAt 06:33 AM 7/30/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > Dear all, > What do you do for school books? My university converts them for > me > in to a word document but in order for them to be converted the > physical book has to be rented or bought. My question since > physical > books are inaccessible how can I save money and get the access I > need? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co > mcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:25:55 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:25:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: References: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Comments sometimes don't read with certain screenreaders, so normally I ask them to send comments back to me on an email. Since I write my papers, I know what the comments refer to. I don't have an aide because I don't need (or really want) one, and that allows me to make friends and interact with my peers. Most students are less likely to talk to someone when there's always an adult hovering nearby. I've always been a public mainstream student anyway though, so I've kind of had to tough it out when I didn't have all of my materials and stuff on time. But for comments, they can just write it in email if that works for you. That way, you won't have to have someone read stuff to you. Sometimes if I really need clarification on something, I will arrange to talk to the teacher at lunch or when the rest of the class is being particularly talkative. I find that these options afford me some privacy. Hope this helps! On 8/2/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > I usually ask my teacher to make comments on my paper using Microsoft > Word's comment feature > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back >> with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the >> printed comments, but we don't. >> Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other >> strategies? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:46:28 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:46:28 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work Message-ID: <57a0ce8f.8207420a.cad78.b560@mx.google.com> Is Microsoft Word's comments feature only accessible on a computer? I once received a paper back where I couldn't read it on the Braille note or Iphone, only the computer. Cricket, I like your email idea. And I agree, I had an aide in high school but when I start college this year I am happy to be without one. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: I usually ask my teacher to make comments on my paper using Microsoft Word's comment feature Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: Hi All, I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bells outh.net _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidlem an%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:51:10 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:51:10 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: <57a0ce8f.8207420a.cad78.b560@mx.google.com> References: <57a0ce8f.8207420a.cad78.b560@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah, forgot about that. You can't read the comments on mobile devices. Lol. On 8/2/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Is Microsoft Word's comments feature only accessible on a > computer? I once received a paper back where I couldn't read it > on the Braille note or Iphone, only the computer. > Cricket, I like your email idea. And I agree, I had an aide in > high school but when I start college this year I am happy to be > without one. > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 09:25:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work > > Comments sometimes don't read with certain screenreaders, so > normally > I ask them to send comments back to me on an email. Since I > write my > papers, I know what the comments refer to. I don't have an aide > because I don't need (or really want) one, and that allows me to > make > friends and interact with my peers. Most students are less > likely to > talk to someone when there's always an adult hovering nearby. > I've > always been a public mainstream student anyway though, so I've > kind of > had to tough it out when I didn't have all of my materials and > stuff > on time. But for comments, they can just write it in email if > that > works for you. That way, you won't have to have someone read > stuff to > you. Sometimes if I really need clarification on something, I > will > arrange to talk to the teacher at lunch or when the rest of the > class > is being particularly talkative. I find that these options > afford me > some privacy. Hope this helps! > > On 8/2/16, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > I usually ask my teacher to make comments on my paper using > Microsoft > Word's comment feature > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi All, > I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded > work back > with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate > access to the > printed comments, but we don't. > Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any > other > strategies? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bells > outh.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidlem > an%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Tue Aug 2 18:34:42 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 18:34:42 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> References: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Vejas, In most of my classes, the professors generally go over the answers to quizzes and exams either right after a pop quiz or the next class period after the exam. Although I generally cannot recall all of my answers on longer exams, I feel as though this provides me with a general sense of how well I did on an exam. I will usually ask either the professor or another student to tell me my score on an exam when it is handed back to me in class. If I want to know more about how I did on an exam, I will meet with my professor during office hours to go over the exam with me. You can also meet with a professor during office hours to go over the comments regarding any other assignment for a class as well. I am not quite sure what online platform your school uses, but I know there is a comment section in the Desire 2 Learn platform where professors can leave general comments regarding assignments that are handed in online. I do not know how well this works on mobile devices, but I was able to read the comments section just fine using my computer. If you are working with a tutor or a study group for any of your classes, you can always ask your tutor or study group partner to go over comments and feedback with you as well if you are not able to make use of the professor's office hours. However, I have found that making use of the professor's office hours to be a good way to build a more personal relationship with the professor and receive more personal feedback in terms of what the professor is looking for in future assignments for the class. I think it is great that you are asking so many questions here on the email list. However, I am sure the skills and confidence you obtained while attending the Louisiana Center for the Blind will help you find what works best for you as you begin your college experience this fall. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 12:08 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work Hi All, I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L From emitchell927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 18:58:59 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 14:58:59 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> References: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8409387D-0B67-4C8A-BFE8-A55183847006@gmail.com> I ask for a electronic copy with track changes or an email with the comments. Hope this helps! Thank You, Emma > On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. > Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 23:27:57 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 19:27:57 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work Message-ID: <57a12c87.cd31c80a.2e7f4.f265@mx.google.com> Where possible I submit my papers electronically and get comments written in. I prefer it when they write the comments in the text itself in brackets because I can't use the comments in word on my Apex. If they require a hard coppy paper, I usually ask a family member, significant other, or friend to read me the comments and only ask the professor if it's hard to read their handwriting. For exams that I don't get to take home, I usually go up to the professor after class and have them read me the comments. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L References: <57a0c590.6194420a.abc7b.ae60@mx.google.com> <8409387D-0B67-4C8A-BFE8-A55183847006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A63514F-68CC-4347-8F6B-C240E1461C6D@gmail.com> Vejas, Great question! It is a really good idea to start discovering a way to review comments individually. I use the comment feature in Microsoft word, as well as the professor just writing in their name, a colon, and then anything they want to say in that part of the document. Then, I can use the control F function to find their name. The comment feature is really helpful to learn now, because even with my internship in publishing articles and documents, it's easier for some to use that feature. Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > I ask for a electronic copy with track changes or an email with the comments. Hope this helps! > Thank You, > Emma > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work back with comments. The sighted students obviously have immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. >> Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any other strategies? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 01:34:43 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 01:34:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person Message-ID: Hello All, Please forgive me if this message is not appropriate for this email list. However, I am rather frustrated right now, and I am not quite sure what to do. So I thought I would try posting to this email list with the hopes that maybe someone out there might be able to help me. Anyway, I am just wondering how I might actually be able to receive adequate medical treatment despite the fact that I am blind. It seems like no matter where I go or what type of medical treatment I am seeking that I am always being treated differently because I am blind. And there have been some cases where I have been flat out denied medical treatment because I am blind. And so I am really wondering how I can receive proper medical treatment when it feels like the only thing medical professionals want to do is focus on my blindness. Or because they do not want to treat an injury caused by an accident because it is now considered to be chronic pain even though the acute injury caused by the accident was never really properly treated in the first place. I guess I am just wondering all of this because I received a voicemail message today from the insurance company sating that I need to obtain an independent medical exam. I am worried that this is just going to be another medical professional who is going to focus on my blindness or tell me that the physical pain I am experiencing is somehow chronic pain that was not caused by an accident. And it is just really frustrating not to be able to receive the medical care that I need when I need it. So I am wondering if there are any other blind people out there who have had a difficult time receiving medical care or treatment because of their blindness, and if so, what did you do so that you could receive the medical care and treatment that you needed? Again, I am not quite sure if this is the most appropriate place for me to be posing these questions and frustrations as they are not necessarily related to being a student. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this email list, then I would appreciate hearing from people off list as well as other more appropriate places to pose these frustrations and questions. Thanks, Elizabeth From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 02:19:00 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 22:19:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23431D45-9CBE-4B68-AB98-AA9C1099E332@gmail.com> Go through a disability rights network Call one in your state. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 9:34 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > Please forgive me if this message is not appropriate for this email list. However, I am rather frustrated right now, and I am not quite sure what to do. So I thought I would try posting to this email list with the hopes that maybe someone out there might be able to help me. > > Anyway, I am just wondering how I might actually be able to receive adequate medical treatment despite the fact that I am blind. It seems like no matter where I go or what type of medical treatment I am seeking that I am always being treated differently because I am blind. And there have been some cases where I have been flat out denied medical treatment because I am blind. > > And so I am really wondering how I can receive proper medical treatment when it feels like the only thing medical professionals want to do is focus on my blindness. Or because they do not want to treat an injury caused by an accident because it is now considered to be chronic pain even though the acute injury caused by the accident was never really properly treated in the first place. > > I guess I am just wondering all of this because I received a voicemail message today from the insurance company sating that I need to obtain an independent medical exam. I am worried that this is just going to be another medical professional who is going to focus on my blindness or tell me that the physical pain I am experiencing is somehow chronic pain that was not caused by an accident. And it is just really frustrating not to be able to receive the medical care that I need when I need it. > > So I am wondering if there are any other blind people out there who have had a difficult time receiving medical care or treatment because of their blindness, and if so, what did you do so that you could receive the medical care and treatment that you needed? > > Again, I am not quite sure if this is the most appropriate place for me to be posing these questions and frustrations as they are not necessarily related to being a student. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this email list, then I would appreciate hearing from people off list as well as other more appropriate places to pose these frustrations and questions. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 05:10:04 2016 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 05:10:04 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They focus on blindness because they sometimes follow the medical model of disability or because, they feel that, blindness is somehow related to the other issue. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 2, 2016, at 21:36, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > Please forgive me if this message is not appropriate for this email list. However, I am rather frustrated right now, and I am not quite sure what to do. So I thought I would try posting to this email list with the hopes that maybe someone out there might be able to help me. > > Anyway, I am just wondering how I might actually be able to receive adequate medical treatment despite the fact that I am blind. It seems like no matter where I go or what type of medical treatment I am seeking that I am always being treated differently because I am blind. And there have been some cases where I have been flat out denied medical treatment because I am blind. > > And so I am really wondering how I can receive proper medical treatment when it feels like the only thing medical professionals want to do is focus on my blindness. Or because they do not want to treat an injury caused by an accident because it is now considered to be chronic pain even though the acute injury caused by the accident was never really properly treated in the first place. > > I guess I am just wondering all of this because I received a voicemail message today from the insurance company sating that I need to obtain an independent medical exam. I am worried that this is just going to be another medical professional who is going to focus on my blindness or tell me that the physical pain I am experiencing is somehow chronic pain that was not caused by an accident. And it is just really frustrating not to be able to receive the medical care that I need when I need it. > > So I am wondering if there are any other blind people out there who have had a difficult time receiving medical care or treatment because of their blindness, and if so, what did you do so that you could receive the medical care and treatment that you needed? > > Again, I am not quite sure if this is the most appropriate place for me to be posing these questions and frustrations as they are not necessarily related to being a student. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this email list, then I would appreciate hearing from people off list as well as other more appropriate places to pose these frustrations and questions. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 05:15:43 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 05:15:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Most of the time I try to educate. If that doesn't work, my next response is typically "my eyes are not connected to..." (Said body part that is ailing you.) I know that becomes quite sassy, but I've found that it gets them to shut up. Also, talk about something else about you, that gets their focus off what they see as the obvious elephant in the room. That is what I've done. Chelsea Peahl > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:10 PM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L wrote: > > They focus on blindness because they sometimes follow the medical model of disability or because, they feel that, blindness is somehow related to the other issue. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 21:36, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Please forgive me if this message is not appropriate for this email list. However, I am rather frustrated right now, and I am not quite sure what to do. So I thought I would try posting to this email list with the hopes that maybe someone out there might be able to help me. >> >> Anyway, I am just wondering how I might actually be able to receive adequate medical treatment despite the fact that I am blind. It seems like no matter where I go or what type of medical treatment I am seeking that I am always being treated differently because I am blind. And there have been some cases where I have been flat out denied medical treatment because I am blind. >> >> And so I am really wondering how I can receive proper medical treatment when it feels like the only thing medical professionals want to do is focus on my blindness. Or because they do not want to treat an injury caused by an accident because it is now considered to be chronic pain even though the acute injury caused by the accident was never really properly treated in the first place. >> >> I guess I am just wondering all of this because I received a voicemail message today from the insurance company sating that I need to obtain an independent medical exam. I am worried that this is just going to be another medical professional who is going to focus on my blindness or tell me that the physical pain I am experiencing is somehow chronic pain that was not caused by an accident. And it is just really frustrating not to be able to receive the medical care that I need when I need it. >> >> So I am wondering if there are any other blind people out there who have had a difficult time receiving medical care or treatment because of their blindness, and if so, what did you do so that you could receive the medical care and treatment that you needed? >> >> Again, I am not quite sure if this is the most appropriate place for me to be posing these questions and frustrations as they are not necessarily related to being a student. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this email list, then I would appreciate hearing from people off list as well as other more appropriate places to pose these frustrations and questions. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:47:49 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 12:47:49 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hello All, Thank you for the responses to my message. I clearly understand why they want to focus on my blindness. However, I still need to receive medical treatment for things that have absolutely nothing to do with my blindness. Simply telling someone that I am more than my blindness, or that it really does not matter how much I can see, and that I am there to discuss other things that have absolutely nothing to do with my blindness does not seem to work for me. Especially when a medical provider is not even willing to see me or treat me in the first place. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2016 1:16 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: chelsea peahl Subject: Re: [nabs-l] how to Receive Medical Services as a Blind Person Most of the time I try to educate. If that doesn't work, my next response is typically "my eyes are not connected to..." (Said body part that is ailing you.) I know that becomes quite sassy, but I've found that it gets them to shut up. Also, talk about something else about you, that gets their focus off what they see as the obvious elephant in the room. That is what I've done. Chelsea Peahl > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:10 PM, wmodnl wmodnl via NABS-L wrote: > > They focus on blindness because they sometimes follow the medical model of disability or because, they feel that, blindness is somehow related to the other issue. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 21:36, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Please forgive me if this message is not appropriate for this email list. However, I am rather frustrated right now, and I am not quite sure what to do. So I thought I would try posting to this email list with the hopes that maybe someone out there might be able to help me. >> >> Anyway, I am just wondering how I might actually be able to receive adequate medical treatment despite the fact that I am blind. It seems like no matter where I go or what type of medical treatment I am seeking that I am always being treated differently because I am blind. And there have been some cases where I have been flat out denied medical treatment because I am blind. >> >> And so I am really wondering how I can receive proper medical treatment when it feels like the only thing medical professionals want to do is focus on my blindness. Or because they do not want to treat an injury caused by an accident because it is now considered to be chronic pain even though the acute injury caused by the accident was never really properly treated in the first place. >> >> I guess I am just wondering all of this because I received a voicemail message today from the insurance company sating that I need to obtain an independent medical exam. I am worried that this is just going to be another medical professional who is going to focus on my blindness or tell me that the physical pain I am experiencing is somehow chronic pain that was not caused by an accident. And it is just really frustrating not to be able to receive the medical care that I need when I need it. >> >> So I am wondering if there are any other blind people out there who have had a difficult time receiving medical care or treatment because of their blindness, and if so, what did you do so that you could receive the medical care and treatment that you needed? >> >> Again, I am not quite sure if this is the most appropriate place for me to be posing these questions and frustrations as they are not necessarily related to being a student. If it is not appropriate to discuss on this email list, then I would appreciate hearing from people off list as well as other more appropriate places to pose these frustrations and questions. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 22:29:09 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2016 18:29:09 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Audio from General Session Message-ID: Hi all, The audio from General Session at NFB 16 is now online. You can access it from this link. https://nfb.org/national-convention-highlights Enjoy, Cullen From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:00:22 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2016 15:00:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] strange outlook issue Message-ID: <000f01d1ef4b$9ee41b30$dcac5190$@gmail.com> I've just noticed that whenever I het escape or delete a message from inside the kessage, outlook automatically minimizes. How do I stop that? I'm using windows 10 with office 16 and jaws 16. Justin From nabs.president at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:54:24 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 15:54:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] We want to be your friend on Facebook and to follow you on Twitter! Message-ID: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> Fellow students, The incredibly fabulous Shannon Cantan of Hawaii has been working to increase our presence on Facebook and the diligent Chris Nusbaum of Maryland has been the social guru of NABS for over a year now. For those who do not know, or those who are new to Twitter/Facebook, please do take a minute today to friend us on Facebook at NABS Link and follow us on Twitter @nabslink. We follow back, I swear! Happy Sunday, Kathryn Webster From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:57:49 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 15:57:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] We want to be your friend on Facebook and to follow you on Twitter! In-Reply-To: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> References: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I followed you on twitter and friended you on Facebook. my twitter is emitchell9271 Thank You, Emma > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > The incredibly fabulous Shannon Cantan of Hawaii has been > working to increase our presence on Facebook and the diligent Chris Nusbaum > of Maryland has been the social guru of NABS for over a year now. > > > > For those who do not know, or those who are new to Twitter/Facebook, please > do take a minute today to friend us on Facebook at NABS Link and follow us > on Twitter @nabslink. > > We follow back, I swear! > > > > Happy Sunday, > > Kathryn Webster > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:00:46 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 13:00:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] We want to be your friend on Facebook and to follow you on Twitter! In-Reply-To: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> References: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: So glad we're working on outreach. Our movement is an important one for more than just blind students. Facebook and Twitter are both great platforms for raising awareness. Hopefully we will have lots of new members soon! As a side note, I'm so glad I finally have friends. LOL On 8/7/16, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > Fellow students, > > > > The incredibly fabulous Shannon Cantan of Hawaii has been > working to increase our presence on Facebook and the diligent Chris Nusbaum > of Maryland has been the social guru of NABS for over a year now. > > > > For those who do not know, or those who are new to Twitter/Facebook, please > do take a minute today to friend us on Facebook at NABS Link and follow us > on Twitter @nabslink. > > We follow back, I swear! > > > > Happy Sunday, > > Kathryn Webster > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From mausbun at unr.edu Sun Aug 7 22:41:17 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:41:17 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> Dear Fellow Federationists: Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where to start? It is not too late! We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our agenda. The call in information is: (605) 475-6100 Access code: 7869673 I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. Respectfully Yours in the movement, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students “You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.” National Association of Blind Students A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind Legislative Committee (1) Call to order (2) Phone conference etiquette (3) Introductions (4) Goals and expectations a. Explanation of the committee roles b. AIM-HEA i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. ii. Letters of university support iii. Rallies and press releases iv. Video testimonials c. Committee membership totals d. Communication, communication, communication e. Taking the initiative (5) Co-Chair’s prospective (6) Questions from the team (7) Adjournment From mausbun at unr.edu Mon Aug 8 00:03:07 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:03:07 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu> Hello All: Minor correction; the call in number is (605) 475-6700. Best, Michael Ausbun ________________________________________ From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Michael D Ausbun Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting Dear Fellow Federationists: Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where to start? It is not too late! We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our agenda. The call in information is: (605) 475-6100 Access code: 7869673 I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. Respectfully Yours in the movement, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students “You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.” National Association of Blind Students A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind Legislative Committee (1) Call to order (2) Phone conference etiquette (3) Introductions (4) Goals and expectations a. Explanation of the committee roles b. AIM-HEA i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. ii. Letters of university support iii. Rallies and press releases iv. Video testimonials c. Committee membership totals d. Communication, communication, communication e. Taking the initiative (5) Co-Chair’s prospective (6) Questions from the team (7) Adjournment _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From desai1shikha at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 00:47:40 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 20:47:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu> Message-ID: <07EE579F-F1E2-4C02-9C54-DF714812DF53@gmail.com> I will be there Is the access code the same? Shikha. > On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All: > Minor correction; the call in number is (605) 475-6700. > Best, > Michael Ausbun > > ________________________________________ > From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:41 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Michael D Ausbun > Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting > > Dear Fellow Federationists: > Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where to start? It is not too late! > We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our agenda. The call in information is: > (605) 475-6100 > Access code: 7869673 > I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. > Respectfully Yours in the movement, > Michael Ausbun, Secretary > National Association of Blind Students > “You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.” > > > National Association of Blind Students > A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind > Legislative Committee > > (1) Call to order > (2) Phone conference etiquette > (3) Introductions > (4) Goals and expectations > a. Explanation of the committee roles > b. AIM-HEA > i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. > ii. Letters of university support > iii. Rallies and press releases > iv. Video testimonials > c. Committee membership totals > d. Communication, communication, communication > e. Taking the initiative > (5) Co-Chair’s prospective > (6) Questions from the team > (7) Adjournment > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 01:52:48 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 01:52:48 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <07EE579F-F1E2-4C02-9C54-DF714812DF53@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu>, <07EE579F-F1E2-4C02-9C54-DF714812DF53@gmail.com> Message-ID: I will be there. Chelsea Peahl > On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > I will be there > Is the access code the same? > > > Shikha. > >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All: >> Minor correction; the call in number is (605) 475-6700. >> Best, >> Michael Ausbun >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >> Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting >> >> Dear Fellow Federationists: >> Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where to start? It is not too late! >> We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our agenda. The call in information is: >> (605) 475-6100 >> Access code: 7869673 >> I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. >> Respectfully Yours in the movement, >> Michael Ausbun, Secretary >> National Association of Blind Students >> “You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.” >> >> >> National Association of Blind Students >> A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind >> Legislative Committee >> >> (1) Call to order >> (2) Phone conference etiquette >> (3) Introductions >> (4) Goals and expectations >> a. Explanation of the committee roles >> b. AIM-HEA >> i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. >> ii. Letters of university support >> iii. Rallies and press releases >> iv. Video testimonials >> c. Committee membership totals >> d. Communication, communication, communication >> e. Taking the initiative >> (5) Co-Chair’s prospective >> (6) Questions from the team >> (7) Adjournment >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 04:07:26 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 23:07:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Logistics When Traveling Independently on an airplane Message-ID: <57a805b3.46d0620a.7fdb2.b0d1@mx.google.com> Hi All, I was wondering how people navigate the overheads on an airplane. Do you usually put your backpack and cane down, then put your suitcase up onto the overhead? Also, when the flight has landed, when do you know when to put the suitcases down from the overhead? It can get really crowded with lots of people trying to get off at once. I know that there are staff there that are more than willing to help, but I'm sure there's a way to handle the overhead independently. Vejas From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 04:36:47 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:36:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] We want to be your friend on Facebook and to follow you on Twitter! In-Reply-To: References: <011401d1f0e5$7fba2e20$7f2e8a60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c701d1f12e$7973b1f0$6c5b15d0$@gmail.com> I friended on FB a while ago, and I just followed on Twitter. I'm @JameyanneFuller. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 3:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] We want to be your friend on Facebook and to follow you on Twitter! I followed you on twitter and friended you on Facebook. my twitter is emitchell9271 Thank You, Emma > On Aug 7, 2016, at 3:54 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Fellow students, > > > > The incredibly fabulous Shannon Cantan of Hawaii has been > working to increase our presence on Facebook and the diligent Chris Nusbaum > of Maryland has been the social guru of NABS for over a year now. > > > > For those who do not know, or those who are new to Twitter/Facebook, please > do take a minute today to friend us on Facebook at NABS Link and follow us > on Twitter @nabslink. > > We follow back, I swear! > > > > Happy Sunday, > > Kathryn Webster > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 04:41:49 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 00:41:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu>, <07EE579F-F1E2-4C02-9C54-DF714812DF53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c801d1f12f$2da41520$88ec3f60$@gmail.com> Assuming my mom lets me use her phone because mine isn't working, I will also be there. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: chelsea peahl Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting I will be there. Chelsea Peahl > On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > I will be there > Is the access code the same? > > > Shikha. > >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello All: >> Minor correction; the call in number is (605) 475-6700. >> Best, >> Michael Ausbun >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:41 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >> Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting >> >> Dear Fellow Federationists: >> Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where to start? It is not too late! >> We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our agenda. The call in information is: >> (605) 475-6100 >> Access code: 7869673 >> I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. >> Respectfully Yours in the movement, >> Michael Ausbun, Secretary >> National Association of Blind Students >> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back." >> >> >> National Association of Blind Students >> A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind >> Legislative Committee >> >> (1) Call to order >> (2) Phone conference etiquette >> (3) Introductions >> (4) Goals and expectations >> a. Explanation of the committee roles >> b. AIM-HEA >> i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. >> ii. Letters of university support >> iii. Rallies and press releases >> iv. Video testimonials >> c. Committee membership totals >> d. Communication, communication, communication >> e. Taking the initiative >> (5) Co-Chair's prospective >> (6) Questions from the team >> (7) Adjournment >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail. com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Aug 8 04:45:26 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 04:45:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Logistics When Traveling Independently on an airplane In-Reply-To: <57a805b3.46d0620a.7fdb2.b0d1@mx.google.com> References: <57a805b3.46d0620a.7fdb2.b0d1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I count the rows with my hand to find my seat. Once there, I keep my book bag on until I put anything in the overhead compartments up. Add something tactile to your bag so you can distinguish yours between everyone else's. Once you have touched down, and am off the runway, that's when you can get your stuff. I usually wait until it has calmed down. Chelsea Peahl > On Aug 7, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > I was wondering how people navigate the overheads on an airplane. > Do you usually put your backpack and cane down, then put your suitcase up onto the overhead? > Also, when the flight has landed, when do you know when to put the suitcases down from the overhead? It can get really crowded with lots of people trying to get off at once. > I know that there are staff there that are more than willing to help, but I'm sure there's a way to handle the overhead independently. > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 07:24:26 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 03:24:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <00c801d1f12f$2da41520$88ec3f60$@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB1FD@UBOX1.unr.edu> <07EE579F-F1E2-4C02-9C54-DF714812DF53@gmail.com> <00c801d1f12f$2da41520$88ec3f60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B28B172-C7FE-4621-A341-54E358C04805@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? I will be there later today as well! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 > On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:41 AM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Assuming my mom lets me use her phone because mine isn't working, I will > also be there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of chelsea peahl > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2016 9:53 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: chelsea peahl > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting > > I will be there. > > Chelsea Peahl > >> On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I will be there >> Is the access code the same? >> >> >> Shikha. >> >>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 8:03 PM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> Hello All: >>> Minor correction; the call in number is (605) 475-6700. >>> Best, >>> Michael Ausbun >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Michael D Ausbun > via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] >>> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 3:41 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Michael D Ausbun >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting >>> >>> Dear Fellow Federationists: >>> Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative > committee? Are you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do > not know where to start? It is not too late! >>> We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. > Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our > agenda. The call in information is: >>> (605) 475-6100 >>> Access code: 7869673 >>> I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any > questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) > 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. >>> Respectfully Yours in the movement, >>> Michael Ausbun, Secretary >>> National Association of Blind Students >>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back." >>> >>> >>> National Association of Blind Students >>> A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind >>> Legislative Committee >>> >>> (1) Call to order >>> (2) Phone conference etiquette >>> (3) Introductions >>> (4) Goals and expectations >>> a. Explanation of the committee roles >>> b. AIM-HEA >>> i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. >>> ii. Letters of university support >>> iii. Rallies and press releases >>> iv. Video testimonials >>> c. Committee membership totals >>> d. Communication, communication, communication >>> e. Taking the initiative >>> (5) Co-Chair's prospective >>> (6) Questions from the team >>> (7) Adjournment >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail. > com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 10:50:10 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 06:50:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Logistics When Traveling Independently on an airplane Message-ID: <57a863f9.49a6370a.64bcb.5b01@mx.google.com> I usually keep my backpack on and my cane in my arm until after I get my bag in the overhead. As for gettting off, if I don't have a connection to make, I let the plane clear out so that the people who do have connections can make them. If I'm going out with the main rush though, the time to get the bags down from the overhead is once you've arrived at the gate and the crew says people can stand up. If you're on the isle seat, you wait till no one is blocking the isle right by you and then get up, and if you're not in the isle seat, you move over to the isle seat when the person next to you gets up. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Hey, everyone I was wondering if what you would recommend for a cane in a wheelchair right now I have a small but can't figure out how to use it while rolling my wheelchair? Thank you Emma Sent from my iPhone From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:04:41 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:04:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Wheelchair and cane In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014701d1f175$6d799fd0$486cdf70$@gmail.com> Emma, I will connect you with a fellow blind woman who uses a wheelchair in Louisiana. I'm sure she can provide you with much information. Have an awesome day! Kathryn Webster -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 8:22 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] Wheelchair and cane Hey, everyone I was wondering if what you would recommend for a cane in a wheelchair right now I have a small but can't figure out how to use it while rolling my wheelchair? Thank you Emma Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:42:10 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:42:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012DB14B@UBOX1.unr.edu> Message-ID: Hi All, Yes, the passcode is the same, 7869673. It was just a correction with the phone number. Thanks Bre On 8/7/16, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > Dear Fellow Federationists: > Are you interested in getting involved in the legislative committee? Are > you interested in changing the lives of blind people, but do not know where > to start? It is not too late! > We will be having our first conference call tomorrow, August 8 at 9 P.M. > Eastern. Please find, pasted below for your convenience, a copy of our > agenda. The call in information is: > (605) 475-6100 > Access code: 7869673 > I am looking forward to communicating with you all! If you have any > questions, please never hesitate to reach out. My phone number is (775) > 432-8789 and my email address is mausbun at nevada.unr.edu. > Respectfully Yours in the movement, > Michael Ausbun, Secretary > National Association of Blind Students > “You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.” > > > National Association of Blind Students > A proud Division of the National Federation of the Blind > Legislative Committee > > (1) Call to order > (2) Phone conference etiquette > (3) Introductions > (4) Goals and expectations > a. Explanation of the committee roles > b. AIM-HEA > i. Collection of letters of accessibility or inaccessibility. > ii. Letters of university support > iii. Rallies and press releases > iv. Video testimonials > c. Committee membership totals > d. Communication, communication, communication > e. Taking the initiative > (5) Co-Chair’s prospective > (6) Questions from the team > (7) Adjournment > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bre.brown24%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:54:31 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 09:54:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Pdf Message-ID: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> Is there a way I can convert pdf files that are online into word or something JAWS accessible? I am hoping there is a way for me to do this without having to go through my disability office every single time. Thanks and happy Monday! Anna E Givens From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 15:58:18 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 11:58:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pdf In-Reply-To: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> References: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008501d1f18d$ae9295e0$0bb7c1a0$@gmail.com> If you have jaws 16 and about, using insert space bar the letter o, then the letter d may get it readable. You can also try robobraille if you can save the document to the pc somehow. I'd try the first way first. Also, sometimes, if you rout jaws to pc, you can double click the options which will let you convert it. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 11:55 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Pdf Is there a way I can convert pdf files that are online into word or something JAWS accessible? I am hoping there is a way for me to do this without having to go through my disability office every single time. Thanks and happy Monday! Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 16:10:10 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 12:10:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pdf In-Reply-To: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> References: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wondering the same thing. I'm on a Mac. Thank you Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Is there a way I can convert pdf files that are online into word or something JAWS accessible? I am hoping there is a way for me to do this without having to go through my disability office every single time. > > Thanks and happy Monday! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:48:19 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:48:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Pdf In-Reply-To: References: <2740B9AC-097C-474E-87F8-C4F139C4D1C3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <018701d1f19d$0cb39430$261abc90$@gmail.com> Anna, the OCR built-in feature with JAWS works fabulously! Let me know if you need help with that. Emma, I would reach out to Bryan Duarte, bjduarte at asu.edu for any Mac-related questions. Hope this helps, Kathryn Webster -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 8, 2016 12:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Pdf Wondering the same thing. I'm on a Mac. Thank you Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Is there a way I can convert pdf files that are online into word or something JAWS accessible? I am hoping there is a way for me to do this without having to go through my disability office every single time. > > Thanks and happy Monday! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 20:12:15 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 13:12:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Official Flyer Message-ID: Hello All, I am attaching a link to the official California Association of Blind Students flyer, which I designed with the support of the CABS board. We are really trying to spread awareness about our voice and our movement because CABS does not have many members, even though California has tons of available universities, schools for the blind, and other resources. If you could share this with any blind people you know, I would really appreciate it. Thanks! http://www.nfbcal.org/cabs/flyer.html Best, Cricket X. Bidleman Pearson, Blindness & Accessibility Consultant From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Aug 8 23:42:51 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:42:51 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work In-Reply-To: <57a12c87.cd31c80a.2e7f4.f265@mx.google.com> References: <57a12c87.cd31c80a.2e7f4.f265@mx.google.com> Message-ID: To me, there is nothing wrong with simply asking teach. Too, I've found that often the teacher is proud that someb9ody is looking at the comments they so painstakingly wrote down.At 04:27 PM 8/2/2016, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: >Where possible I submit my papers electronically and get comments >written in. I prefer it when they write the comments in the text >itself in brackets because I can't use the comments in word on my >Apex. If they require a hard coppy paper, I usually ask a family >member, significant other, or friend to read me the comments and >only ask the professor if it's hard to read their handwriting. >For exams that I don't get to take home, I usually go up to the >professor after class and have them read me the comments. > >HTH, >Karl > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Date sent: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:08:05 -0700 >Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work > >Hi All, >I was wondering what you students do when you receive graded work >back with comments. The sighted students obviously have >immediate access to the printed comments, but we don't. >Do you ask the teacher to read them quietly, ask an aide? Any >other strategies? >Thanks, >Vejas > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >il.com > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From spnfb14 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 01:17:46 2016 From: spnfb14 at gmail.com (Sherry Pablo) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 18:17:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Techniques to deal with inaccessible software Message-ID: Hello, I have an internship opportunity to work in a health clinic for the following year but just found out that most if not all of the programs run on the computers on-site are not accessible with JAWS. In addition, an adaptive tech specialist consulted with the organization and confirmed how difficult it would be to make the programs work with a screen reader, even with scripting. I am wondering what techniques people use to access and input information in a clinical setting. One idea someone told me is to have an assistant to help with data entry. I am looking for others who work or have prior experience working with medical information and records. I've listed some of the programs below for reference. *Nextgen *ETO *I2I *Quest Lab informatics reports *Kidtrax *CAIR Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Sherry From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Aug 9 02:15:06 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 19:15:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarship In-Reply-To: <1115466061.5401176.1439700976787.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo .com> References: <1115466061.5401176.1439700976787.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Evening, Alix, Is this what you seek? I think it's great! 1. My paws are small but by no means dainty. Actually, I like to refer to my thumbs as toe thumbs for their resemblance to the evolutionary digit. Furthermore, when I remember, I try to treat my hands with vasolene at night to maximize their softness. 22. Typically, my hands carry the cent of whatever I have been handling (I.E.) garlic and other spices, weed or coffee 4. (bonus) Sometimes, my paws, particularly in the incidence of nervousness or other trepidations do feel perhaps a little clammy, but not as a rule. Clammy hands I find to be a little creepy! Hope this is what you're looking for. Let me know of your decision? 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I've used a couple million to start >the company and worked the past 12 years almost >endlessly, multiplying my earnings by about ten >from what she left and then a lot more through >good investments in oil, etc. I'm writing this >to explain my motivations. I do not wish to say >more, as I don't want any publicity here. >Although these questions might be weird, I >encourage you to take 5 minutes of your time to >answer them; you have nothing to lose. Please >send all answers >to:alix.nlizhgu13 at yahoo.comPayments will be made >upon receipt of answers. Please allow for 3 to 5 >days to process and rate. Your answers will not >be shared with any third-parties; they are >strictly confidential. Please also address any >questions, comments and/or concerns to the email >address above. All answers are rated on a 1 to >10 scale. Earnings will be multiplied by 10. For >example, if you earn 42 points through the >entire set of questions, you will earn $420. >Bonus questions can earn more and are not >limited by the 50 points. Those will be rewarded >as needed. The first 5 questions are what will >be rated, so as to not penalize you for not >having extra details on question 6. 1. Can you >describe size and shape of your hands?2. Can you >describe general texture?3. Can you describe >current and usual smell?4. (bonus) Do your hands >ever get clammy/sweaty? If so, can you describe >texture and any other characteristics? Rate on a >scale from 1 to 10 (with 1 being not much and 10 >being a lot). 5. General temperature?6. >(bonus)Anything else?7. Where would you like the >money to go? Paypal, fund, prepaid visa card? >(All options are provided to limit me having any >personal information). Please note: you may be >asked for clarification. All answers will be >appended and considered for bonus on top of your >ratings. If you already earned 10 points for >that question, the question will be considered a >bonus and you will have the possibility to gain >more, regardless of how it was previously >marked. >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 03:29:35 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 20:29:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Facebook Page Message-ID: Hello All, I just made a CABS facebook page. We have two Facebook groups, one of which is public, but a group isn't the same as a page, and pages are more popular. So now we have one. Is there anything any of you would like to be put on it? Also, I want more people than just me to work on this page because it is absolutely yours as much as it is mine, so let me know if you're interested in helping out. Thanks! Also, spread the word!! Best, Cricket Bidleman From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:37:45 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:37:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] California State Convention Scholarships Message-ID: Hey Y'all, Cricket Bidleman here... Just wanted to share the NFBCA State Convention Scholarship application with all of you. Apply if you're eligible, and if you're not, I have three words for you: share, share, share... Please. And thanks in advance! http://www.nfbcal.org/nfbcnew/2016-nfbc-scholarship-guidelines/ Best, Cricket X. Bidleman Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From ligne14 at verizon.net Tue Aug 9 19:40:58 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 12:40:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] scholarship In-Reply-To: <0OBM003AXEAW8380@vms172111.mailsrvcs.net> References: <1115466061.5401176.1439700976787.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> <0OBM003AXEAW8380@vms172111.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1DE316A7-8ADC-4144-8C95-E73F6E34AD71@verizon.net> Hi Carly, I'm not a moderator of this list, but I just wanted to let you know of two things. First, this thread is very old (almost a year old by now). Second, Alix, the author of this thread, has been banned from this list because the moderators have deemed this thread inappropriate for this list, first of all because it was off-topic and not related to blindness (the purpose of this list), and second, beacause these questions are very creepy, particularly to females, (it seems), (I'm a male). While I'm not to be !ude and not trying to suggest in any way that the mods should ban you from this list, I will advise you to be very cautious when replying on here. I strongly suggest to you and everyone else on here to carefully check the date of a thread, as well as most or all of its contents before replying, especially because you have a known tendency to revive extremely old threads. I hope that you'll take my advice into consideration, and enjoy the rest of your summer. Thanks, Sami Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 8, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Carly Mihalakis via NABS-L wrote: > > Evening, Alix, > > Is this what you seek? I think it's great! > > 1. My paws are small but by no means dainty. Actually, I like to refer to my thumbs as toe thumbs for their resemblance to the evolutionary digit. > > Furthermore, when I remember, I try to treat my hands with vasolene at night to maximize their softness. > 22. Typically, my hands carry the cent of whatever I have been handling (I.E.) garlic and other spices, weed or coffee > > 4. (bonus) Sometimes, my paws, particularly in the incidence of nervousness or other trepidations do feel perhaps a little clammy, but not as a rule. Clammy hands I find to be a little creepy! > Hope this is what you're looking for. Let me know of your decision? Car.d=yahoo.com header.b=gJdLZt5H >> DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nfbnet.org; s=default; >> h=Sender:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:Cc:Reply-To:From:List-Subscribe:List-Help:List-Post:List-Archive:List-Unsubscribe:List-Id:Subject:MIME-Version:Message-ID:To:Date; bh=GNDjN6qYzpnXCeq5ossC3fFx+a0ZX8m1PO5YGbbOvv8=; From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 02:47:27 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:47:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Colorado Association of Blind Students NFL Survivor Pool References: <21746.81291.bm@smtp214.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8F3EA5F4-98B8-43F5-B8B9-519FE4B381E1@gmail.com> Greetings, The Colorado Association of Blind Students once again is hosting an NFL survivor pool. In brief, the way this works is each week you pick one team to win their game per week. If they win you move on and if they lose you get a strike. Two strikes and you're out. There is a one time entrance fee of $20. Fifty percent of the proceeds will go to the Colorado Association of Blind Students, 40% of the proceeds will go to the winner and the remaining 10% will go to the individual who finishes in second place. The attached document contains a more in-depth description of the pool as well as all of the rules. Please read this in its entirety so there aren’t any surprises. If you wish to participate please email Cody Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com and let him know (1) that you would like to participate and (2) which method you plan to use to make your payment. Entries will be accepted until Wednesday September 7. If you have further questions please don’t hesitate to reach out to me or Cody. Anna E Givens, President, Colorado Association of Blind Students annajee82 at gmail.com From betatester329 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:06:15 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 11:06:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] windows 10 aniversery updase Message-ID: <57ab6d23.c106620a.34c02.57ff@mx.google.com> Hi, I'm just curious, will I need a sighted person to do the redstone update after the installation completes, or will jaws kick in? Thanks. From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:25:24 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:25:24 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] windows 10 aniversery updase In-Reply-To: <57ab6d23.c106620a.34c02.57ff@mx.google.com> References: <57ab6d23.c106620a.34c02.57ff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <76A5E6B7-DA9B-4DB6-9BCD-8019D4B6926B@gmail.com> Hi, The safe guess would be yes. But check out coolblindtech.com as I am on a Mac. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 10, 2016, at 2:06 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, I'm just curious, will I need a sighted person to do the redstone update after the installation completes, or will jaws kick in? > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 22:49:13 2016 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 15:49:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Community-service] Meet the Board Call References: Message-ID: > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Darian Smith via Community-Service > Subject: [Community-service] Meet the Board Call > Date: August 7, 2016 at 11:34:44 PM PDT > To: Community Service Discussion List > Cc: Darian Smith > Reply-To: Community Service Discussion List > > Fellow Federationists: > > The National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division Invites you to meet the 2016-2017 Board of Directors. > Come and meet the combination of new and returning names and voices that make up our leadership. Meet not only our board, but each of the individuals who chair the different efforts, initiatives and programs we are working on this year. > This is a great opportunity to ask questions, bring ideas and join the opportunity that fits your interests and skills. > Also feel free to suggest a project you might want to take on if it is not being done and you think that it should be. > > What?: Meet the board call > When? Sunday 8/14 at 9:15 p.m. ET > Where?: Call (712) 432-0140. Use access code: 808277. > > We look forward to talking with you then! > Let’s get Involved! > Let’s Go Build the Federation! > > Darian Smith > President, National Federation of the Blind Community Service Division > > Web: www.nfbcommunityservice.org > > Twitter: @NFB_CSD, at goldengateace > > Facebook: www.facebook.com/CommunityServiceDivision " > > E-mail: president at nfbcommunityservice.org > > (415)215-9809 > > > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > “We need your service, right now, at this moment - our moment - in history. I'm not going to tell you what your role should be; that's for you to discover. But I am going to ask you to play your part; ask you to stand up; ask you to put your foot firmly into the current of history” — Barack Obama > Help drive change for the blind . > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 > “ > > _______________________________________________ > Community-Service mailing list > Community-Service at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/community-service_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Community-Service: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/community-service_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 23:20:17 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 19:20:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Boothcamp Question Message-ID: Hi all! How are you all? I just have a question about boothcamp. Does anyone here use boothcam successfully with your Mac computer? If so, how do yu install it and how do you make it work in order to work with screen readers like JAWS 17 adn NVDA? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to install it today or tomorrow on my Macbook Air 11 inches computer. I know that I need to get the iSo file and downloaded from the micrsoft site right? and then I need to put this iSo file on my USV drive right? I'm just wondering how do I make screen readers work on the boothcamp platform. If any of you use booothcamp, feel free to contact me off list since I don't want to clutter the list guys! I think this requires sighted assistance right? And it wil be great if you have any tutorials or podcast in how to do it without sighted assistance if possible. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 00:32:26 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:32:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Boothcamp Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67F6938D-806E-425B-B0EE-D14665CCB05A@gmail.com> Try coolblindtech.com podcast Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all! How are you all? I just have a question about boothcamp. Does anyone here use boothcam successfully with your Mac computer? If so, how do yu install it and how do you make it work in order to work with screen readers like JAWS 17 adn NVDA? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to install it today or tomorrow on my Macbook Air 11 inches computer. I know that I need to get the iSo file and downloaded from the micrsoft site right? and then I need to put this iSo file on my USV drive right? I'm just wondering how do I make screen readers work on the boothcamp platform. If any of you use booothcamp, feel free to contact me off list since I don't want to clutter the list guys! I think this requires sighted assistance right? And it wil be great if you have any tutorials or podcast in how to do it without sighted assistance if possible. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 00:41:51 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 20:41:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Boothcamp Question In-Reply-To: <67F6938D-806E-425B-B0EE-D14665CCB05A@gmail.com> References: <67F6938D-806E-425B-B0EE-D14665CCB05A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41CDCBDD-E10F-4248-AB65-94512572715A@gmail.com> Hi helga, Please email me off list and I will set you up with a better way to run windows on your computer. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2016, at 20:32, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Try coolblindtech.com podcast > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi all! How are you all? I just have a question about boothcamp. Does anyone here use boothcam successfully with your Mac computer? If so, how do yu install it and how do you make it work in order to work with screen readers like JAWS 17 adn NVDA? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to install it today or tomorrow on my Macbook Air 11 inches computer. I know that I need to get the iSo file and downloaded from the micrsoft site right? and then I need to put this iSo file on my USV drive right? I'm just wondering how do I make screen readers work on the boothcamp platform. If any of you use booothcamp, feel free to contact me off list since I don't want to clutter the list guys! I think this requires sighted assistance right? And it wil be great if you have any tutorials or podcast in how to do it without sighted assistance if possible. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! >> >> Helga Schreiber >> >> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. >> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 >> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 02:24:14 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 22:24:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Boothcamp Question In-Reply-To: <41CDCBDD-E10F-4248-AB65-94512572715A@gmail.com> References: <67F6938D-806E-425B-B0EE-D14665CCB05A@gmail.com> <41CDCBDD-E10F-4248-AB65-94512572715A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Helga, Bootcamp is essentially going to create a partition on your mac that will allow for windows to also run on your hard drive. When you have bootcamp installed your mac will basically function just like a windows computer (when you're on that OS). There are a few little quirks like the location of the alt and windows keys will be reversed on your keyboard from usual, but there are no major differences to using Jaws and NVDA on a mac running bootcamp from a typical windows PC running the same programs. Of course, when you switch back to using Mac OS you'll use voiceover or whatever other program you might use normally. I don't have experience installing bootcamp myself as the computer I have experience using it on is one owned by my university, but I do switch between the windows and mac systems on the computer and use Jaws when working in windows. I know you requested people contact you off list but I thought I'd respond at least about the screenreaders and their functions within bootcamp on list in case anyone else was wondering. I hope this helps. On 8/10/16, nesma aly via NABS-L wrote: > Hi helga, > Please email me off list and I will set you up with a better way to run > windows on your computer. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 10, 2016, at 20:32, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Try coolblindtech.com podcast >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania >> a division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> >>> On Aug 10, 2016, at 7:20 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all! How are you all? I just have a question about boothcamp. Does >>> anyone here use boothcam successfully with your Mac computer? If so, how >>> do yu install it and how do you make it work in order to work with screen >>> readers like JAWS 17 adn NVDA? I'm just wondering since I'm planning to >>> install it today or tomorrow on my Macbook Air 11 inches computer. I know >>> that I need to get the iSo file and downloaded from the micrsoft site >>> right? and then I need to put this iSo file on my USV drive right? I'm >>> just wondering how do I make screen readers work on the boothcamp >>> platform. If any of you use booothcamp, feel free to contact me off list >>> since I don't want to clutter the list guys! I think this requires >>> sighted assistance right? And it wil be great if you have any tutorials >>> or podcast in how to do it without sighted assistance if possible. I >>> look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! >>> >>> Helga Schreiber >>> >>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of >>> Blind Students. >>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >>> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that >>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John >>> 3:16 >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From llstangl6 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 14:55:21 2016 From: llstangl6 at gmail.com (Laura) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 09:55:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] tacktile maps Message-ID: <000901d1f3e0$62f19b40$28d4d1c0$@gmail.com> Hi all, I am looking for tactile maps or good puzzles for my upcoming Asian civilization and World War II classes. My school will purchase these for me but as to date we are having problems locating good quality maps I can use and meet the professor's standards. I have a great College DSS and as I am studding for secondary education history my professors desire me to have maps and such that I can take with me to use in the classroom and give me the tactile information I need to understand the material, thus the professors high standards. Any advice on createing (we have access to a 3 D printer, however the concern is all the islands in the pacific) or already existing maps is appreciated. Thank you for helping me with this. lauraStangl From gpaikens at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 15:28:17 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:28:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] tacktile maps In-Reply-To: <000901d1f3e0$62f19b40$28d4d1c0$@gmail.com> References: <000901d1f3e0$62f19b40$28d4d1c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The most detailed maps I have found are from the Princeton Braillists. I have not seen their volume on the Pacific but the one for the U.S. and Canada is more detailed than any other maps I have found that were not produced for a specific test, etc. I don't know if these would meet your professor's standards but they are much better than the tactile world maps available through APH. They are also much more affordable. They contain many cities, rivers, landforms, etc. and have separate maps for climate, elevation, and other common maps depending on the volume. Their website is: https://princetonbraillists.org/ I hope this helps. -Greg On 8/11/16, Laura via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > I am looking for tactile maps or good puzzles for my upcoming Asian > civilization and World War II classes. My school will purchase these for me > but as to date we are having problems locating good quality maps I can use > and meet the professor's standards. I have a great College DSS and as I am > studding for secondary education history my professors desire me to have > maps and such that I can take with me to use in the classroom and give me > the tactile information I need to understand the material, thus the > professors high standards. > > > > Any advice on createing (we have access to a 3 D printer, however the > concern is all the islands in the pacific) or already existing maps is > appreciated. Thank you for helping me with this. > > lauraStangl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 20:37:15 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 14:37:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Organic chemistry Message-ID: Has anyone taken organic chemistry? I am in first semester organic chemistry this fall and I was thinking I could use a model kit since there are a lot of structures to be described or drawn. But after talking to my professor and looking over some of the practice exams, I, and my professor, feel like it would take too long to build all the structures for am exam or quiz or for someone to do that in class while he's drawing on the board. So while I plan to use a model kit in tutoring or my own studies, I am not sure it's practical for in class or times assignments like quizzes. So my other thought was to use a tactile drawing board. But then my question is do you think that would be big enough to draw a complex structure and still be able to feel and distinguish all the little details within the structure. That is my concern with this method because of course visually looking at a drawing is quite different than feeling it. If anyone has any experience or thoughts about this, I would love to hear. Thanks, Anna E Givens From dandrews at visi.com Thu Aug 11 22:54:57 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:54:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [duxnews] DBT WIN version 12.1 now available! Message-ID: >From: "Neal Kuniansky" >To: >Subject: [duxnews] DBT WIN version 12.1 now available! >Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 11:34:50 -0400 > >DBT WIN version 12.1 now released! > >This latest Windows release will enable users of DBT MAC 12.1 & DBT >WIN 12.1 to exchange DBT files. >Those who purchased their DBT WIN, or purchased an upgrade, in 2015 >& 2016 will be able to upgrade for free. >You can just open your DBT WIN >Go to HELP>CECK FOR UPDATES and it will let you know if you are >eligible for a free update and the cost if you are not. > >Sincerely, >Neal Kuniansky >orders at duxsys.com > >------------------------------------------------------------------- >What's new in DBT 12.1 >Duxbury Systems continually revises DBT with fixes and new features. >For information newer than posted here in the Help, please use >"Check for Updates," or our Website. >Primary Areas of Improvement > * DBT code and translation tables, including UEB, updated to release 12.1 > * DXP and DXB files now compatible with DBT for Mac version 12.1 > and vice versa > * The Basic DBT Templates have been streamlined > * Support for new embossers, and embosser fixes > * Math Improvements > * 62 step UEB Mangold Method learning series now included in > Learning tables. > * Numerous structural changes to fix issues with language > switching and the translated line display in DBT > * Language Improvements including >DBT Templates Streamlined > * Historical DBT styles that no longer have effect have been removed > * Each Basic Template now has ten DBT styles that use language switching: > * Biblical_lang (Biblical original language studies) > * English_UEB1 (UEB grade 1) > * English_UEB2 (UEB grade 2) > * English_UK_old (British pre-UEB) > * French > * German > * IPA > * Italian > * Russian > * Spanish > * Italic, bold, and underline styles are now included in every > basic language template > * Improved Russian formatting using new Word style mapping file rus.mws > * Better Australian formatting using new Word style mapping file > aussie.mws for UEB braille. >Embossers > * New Embossers supported: > * ViewPlus Columbia > * Enabling Juliet 120 > * Enabling Romeo 60 > * Index V5 embossers > * Embosser changes: > * Nippon Telesoft Gemini Super2 has been renamed as the > Nippon Telesoft DOG-Pro > * Nippon Telesoft DOG-Pro carriage width calculations are > more accurate > * TactileView graphics support in DBT improved. >Mathematics >Numerous changes to improve math functionality. Here are the highlights: > * Many more unusual mathematics characters are now handled > * Spacing and control of spacing around function names in UEB > and French math has been improved > * Better importing of aligned structures > * Better handling of the Unicode minus sign > * Nemeth translation has been updated to use dot 6 for the comma > when outside of "technical notation" but still in "Nemeth mode." > This means that in the English (UEB) - BANA with Nemeth template, a > comma in the style math-TextInMath is brailled as dot 6, rather > than dots 456,2 following Nemeth rules. >JAWS Developments >Helpful additions in the JAWS script files for DBT, including: > * A better way for JAWS to announce style markup; it now says > "begin style" and "end style" > * Editing in print and braille documents with JAWS is now snappier > * When moving by word in a braille document, JAWS no longer > speaks the word as braille dots if you are also using a braille device > * When you press Control+H for highlighting in DBT, JAWS keeps > better track of when the highlighting is turned off > * The script supports the use of a DBT-specific voice profile, > with return to the default voice profile on leaving DBT > * When arrowing left or right in a braille document in coded > view with high contrast on, JAWS no longer says "space" for every character > * Pressing Delete or Control-X now turns off the highlighting > for a highlighted section > * In coded view, you can now navigate onto a left brace character ("{"). >UEB Updates > * Improved auto-hyphenation, including grouping of braille > numbers of 16 cells or less > * Symbols that are not hyphens nor dashes, but contain dots 36, > are no longer allowed as potential line break points. > * The translation of certain unusual names has been fixed. > * The translation of mixed alpha-numerics, such as AA.12, has > been adjusted to be easier to read in braille. > * Mid-line ellipsis (U+22EF), a double or triple dot over a > variable name, and other uncommon math symbols, are now treated correctly > * The Latin letter schwa (U+0259) and primary and secondary > stress symbols, when entered as U+02C8 and U+02CC respectively, are > now supported > * Braille-to-print support for Old/Middle English letters (yogh, > thorn, eth and wynn) > * Plus many other changes to improve the production of UEB braille. >Restored Functionality > * Restoration of the francais.mws Word style map file > * Repair of the Hindi file importer. >Misc Features > * Improved read only text controls and their acceptance of keyboard focus > * Improved identification and differentiation of single and > double quotes. >Language Improvements > >Biblical >original language studies: now supports a braille-to-print >translator that allows a user to write a document purely in braille >and then generate a Word file in multiple scripts. >Catalan: Fixed percent sign and capitalization issues. >Czech: Fixed 10 punctuation characters. >Many fixes for UEB English. >Hungarian: Supports the new fully contracted 2014 Hungarian rules >(both print-to-braille and braille-to-print). >Japanese: Fixed ryu, and a few other items. >Korean: Fixes to improve both print-to-braille and braille-to-print >translators. >Spanish: added a Puerto Rico variation for some punctuation. >Spanish: back translation can produce a number sign (#) with the >"forcer" of dots 3456, 13. Additional "forcer" sequences are: dots >45, 56, 26, which produces inverted question mark; dots 45, 45, 26 >produces upright question mark; dots 45, 56, 235 produces inverted >exclamation mark; and dots 45, 45, 235 produces upright exclamation >mark regardless of context. > > > >Cheers, >Neal Kuniansky >orders at duxsys.com >+1 978-692-3000 >www.DuxburySystems.com >Duxbury Systems, Inc. >Your braille solution around the globe since 1976! > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 23:21:30 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 19:21:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Organic chemistry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I took organic chemistry, I really liked using the modeling kits. My professor would build the models I needed the night before the exam and simply pass me the models along with the electronic copy of the exam so I could name them or do whatever I needed with them. I did have an amazing professor, and I know some professors might not be willing to take that extra step of building the models, but it really does help I think. You could certainly try with the tactile drawing board, though I suspect the tactile images won't be as high-quality. Best, Arielle On 8/11/16, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > Has anyone taken organic chemistry? I am in first semester organic > chemistry this fall and I was thinking I could use a model kit since there > are a lot of structures to be described or drawn. But after talking to my > professor and looking over some of the practice exams, I, and my professor, > feel like it would take too long to build all the structures for am exam or > quiz or for someone to do that in class while he's drawing on the board. So > while I plan to use a model kit in tutoring or my own studies, I am not sure > it's practical for in class or times assignments like quizzes. > So my other thought was to use a tactile drawing board. But then my > question is do you think that would be big enough to draw a complex > structure and still be able to feel and distinguish all the little details > within the structure. That is my concern with this method because of course > visually looking at a drawing is quite different than feeling it. > If anyone has any experience or thoughts about this, I would love to hear. > > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 23:41:23 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 17:41:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Organic chemistry In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BDF3F8A-8F81-4C81-80EC-045880FF55AF@gmail.com> Thanks Arielle, that sounds cool. How did you follow along in class? Anna E Givens > On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > When I took organic chemistry, I really liked using the modeling kits. > My professor would build the models I needed the night before the exam > and simply pass me the models along with the electronic copy of the > exam so I could name them or do whatever I needed with them. I did > have an amazing professor, and I know some professors might not be > willing to take that extra step of building the models, but it really > does help I think. > You could certainly try with the tactile drawing board, though I > suspect the tactile images won't be as high-quality. > > Best, Arielle > >> On 8/11/16, Anna via NABS-L wrote: >> Has anyone taken organic chemistry? I am in first semester organic >> chemistry this fall and I was thinking I could use a model kit since there >> are a lot of structures to be described or drawn. But after talking to my >> professor and looking over some of the practice exams, I, and my professor, >> feel like it would take too long to build all the structures for am exam or >> quiz or for someone to do that in class while he's drawing on the board. So >> while I plan to use a model kit in tutoring or my own studies, I am not sure >> it's practical for in class or times assignments like quizzes. >> So my other thought was to use a tactile drawing board. But then my >> question is do you think that would be big enough to draw a complex >> structure and still be able to feel and distinguish all the little details >> within the structure. That is my concern with this method because of course >> visually looking at a drawing is quite different than feeling it. >> If anyone has any experience or thoughts about this, I would love to hear. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 15:12:51 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 11:12:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Organic chemistry In-Reply-To: <8BDF3F8A-8F81-4C81-80EC-045880FF55AF@gmail.com> References: <8BDF3F8A-8F81-4C81-80EC-045880FF55AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I remember spending a lot of time in my professor's office hours and he would make me models of things that had been discussed in class. I also took a lot of notes on what he was saying so I could review later with the models. On 8/11/16, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks Arielle, that sounds cool. How did you follow along in class? > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Aug 11, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> When I took organic chemistry, I really liked using the modeling kits. >> My professor would build the models I needed the night before the exam >> and simply pass me the models along with the electronic copy of the >> exam so I could name them or do whatever I needed with them. I did >> have an amazing professor, and I know some professors might not be >> willing to take that extra step of building the models, but it really >> does help I think. >> You could certainly try with the tactile drawing board, though I >> suspect the tactile images won't be as high-quality. >> >> Best, Arielle >> >>> On 8/11/16, Anna via NABS-L wrote: >>> Has anyone taken organic chemistry? I am in first semester organic >>> chemistry this fall and I was thinking I could use a model kit since >>> there >>> are a lot of structures to be described or drawn. But after talking to >>> my >>> professor and looking over some of the practice exams, I, and my >>> professor, >>> feel like it would take too long to build all the structures for am exam >>> or >>> quiz or for someone to do that in class while he's drawing on the board. >>> So >>> while I plan to use a model kit in tutoring or my own studies, I am not >>> sure >>> it's practical for in class or times assignments like quizzes. >>> So my other thought was to use a tactile drawing board. But then my >>> question is do you think that would be big enough to draw a complex >>> structure and still be able to feel and distinguish all the little >>> details >>> within the structure. That is my concern with this method because of >>> course >>> visually looking at a drawing is quite different than feeling it. >>> If anyone has any experience or thoughts about this, I would love to >>> hear. >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From betatester329 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:01:37 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:01:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] sendero gps xt vs regular Message-ID: <57afa6e4.4583620a.290b1.b765@mx.google.com> Hi, I want to buy the sendero gps xt which cost 199 dollars. I read that there are really good features, and no subscriptions. Would you recommend that I buy the seeing eye gps xt before the prices increase? From betatester329 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:01:39 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:01:39 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] 2 step verification questions Message-ID: <57afa6e5.4583620a.290b1.b767@mx.google.com> Hi, I've started enabling 2-step verification for services, due to hacking. I use it for dropox and my apple id. If I enable it er google, will checking my email on the braillenote apex still work? Will I beable to use it without neing my iphone? Thanks. From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:14:02 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:14:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] {Spam?} Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello All, I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, Maura Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. We were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able to remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of you who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cricket Bidleman Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman To: Liz Wisecarver It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:19:26 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:19:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman Message-ID: Sorry. Forgot it would be marked as spam. It's not. Remind me not to forward messages from myself LOL. On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Hello All, > > I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS > presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, Maura > Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. We > were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part > through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able to > remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of you > who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the > phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from > his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul > rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Cricket Bidleman > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 > Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman > To: Liz Wisecarver > > It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:38:55 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:38:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman Message-ID: <57afaf92.962cc80a.665ca.badb@mx.google.com> That was very touching. I wish I could have had the chance to know him myself. God will take good care of him. Cullen Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 On Aug 13, 2016 7:19 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Sorry. Forgot it would be marked as spam. It's not. Remind me not to > forward messages from myself LOL. > > On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS > > presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, Maura > > Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. We > > were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part > > through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able to > > remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of you > > who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the > > phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from > > his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul > > rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. > > > > Best, > > Cricket X. Bidleman > > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Cricket Bidleman > > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 > > Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman > > To: Liz Wisecarver > > > > It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! > > > > Best, > > Cricket X. Bidleman > > California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster > > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 23:44:41 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 16:44:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman In-Reply-To: <57afaf92.962cc80a.665ca.badb@mx.google.com> References: <57afaf92.962cc80a.665ca.badb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks. I'm glad you were able to read and appreciate it, and in conjunction the amazing person Harley is. His legacy will always live on. On a vastly different note, I didn't even know the Braille Note Touch was out yet! How does it work for you? I have friends in Humanware, and I know they were so excited to release the product, but from a customer viewpoint, how have you found your experience with it? On 8/13/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: > That was very touching. I wish I could have had the chance to know him > myself. God will take good care of him. > Cullen > > Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 > > On Aug 13, 2016 7:19 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> Sorry. Forgot it would be marked as spam. It's not. Remind me not to >> forward messages from myself LOL. >> >> On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >> > Hello All, >> > >> > I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS >> > presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, Maura >> > Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. We >> > were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part >> > through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able to >> > remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of you >> > who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the >> > phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from >> > his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul >> > rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. >> > >> > Best, >> > Cricket X. Bidleman >> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> > >> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> > From: Cricket Bidleman >> > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 >> > Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman >> > To: Liz Wisecarver >> > >> > It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! >> > >> > Best, >> > Cricket X. Bidleman >> > California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster >> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From jfranks at nfbtx.org Sun Aug 14 00:02:10 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 19:02:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman In-Reply-To: References: <57afaf92.962cc80a.665ca.badb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Nabs, Cricket, thank you so much for sharing this with us all. I wanted to give you my perspective as I was one of the ones who was able to attend Harley's service today. The service was so incredibly touching. We honored who Harley was and there were so many people in attendance. He was an incredibly passionate, intelligent, loving, caring, humorous, respectful, ressiliant, full of courage and life. I knew Harley for over 3 years and had served with him for two years on the Board of Directors of the Texas Association of Blind Students. We all laughed, cried, reflected, and came together to show our respect and love for Harley and the impact he hat on our lives. Everytime he came into the room, he lit up everyone with his presence and when it came to his cancer, he never showed trepidation or once complained about it. Although he is no longer with us physically, his spirit will live in so many of us eternally and his love that he gave to the world will forever be immortal. Warm regards, Jonathan Franks BSW Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks. I'm glad you were able to read and appreciate it, and in > conjunction the amazing person Harley is. His legacy will always live > on. On a vastly different note, I didn't even know the Braille Note > Touch was out yet! How does it work for you? I have friends in > Humanware, and I know they were so excited to release the product, but > from a customer viewpoint, how have you found your experience with it? > > On 8/13/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: >> That was very touching. I wish I could have had the chance to know him >> myself. God will take good care of him. >> Cullen >> >> Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 >> >> On Aug 13, 2016 7:19 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. Forgot it would be marked as spam. It's not. Remind me not to >>> forward messages from myself LOL. >>> >>> On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>> > Hello All, >>> > >>> > I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS >>> > presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, Maura >>> > Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. We >>> > were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part >>> > through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able to >>> > remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of you >>> > who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the >>> > phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from >>> > his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul >>> > rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Cricket X. Bidleman >>> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >>> > >>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> > From: Cricket Bidleman >>> > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 >>> > Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman >>> > To: Liz Wisecarver >>> > >>> > It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Cricket X. Bidleman >>> > California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster >>> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >>> > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 00:22:38 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 17:22:38 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: In Memory of Harley Fetterman In-Reply-To: References: <57afaf92.962cc80a.665ca.badb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Mr. Franks, Thanks so much for the kind, heartfelt words. I agree with all of them. Harley was someone who others just seemed to gravitate toward, and people didn't have to know him well to be familiar with his charming charisma, undeniable intelligence, and unique sense of humor. I wish I had been able to attend the services today, but unfortunately I'm stuck in California. Either way, we will all celebrate his life in our own ways. As someone who has known Harley since 2006, I consider myself incredibly lucky. I'm here to support all of you through the grieving process as I get through it myself, so feel free to reach out if you need anything at all. Thanks! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/13/16, Jonathan Franks wrote: > Hello Nabs, > > Cricket, thank you so much for sharing this with us all. > I wanted to give you my perspective as I was one of the ones who was > able to attend Harley's service today. > > The service was so incredibly touching. We honored who Harley was and > there were so many people in attendance. He was an incredibly > passionate, intelligent, loving, caring, humorous, respectful, > ressiliant, full of courage and life. I knew Harley for over 3 years > and had served with him for two years on the Board of Directors of the > Texas Association of Blind Students. We all laughed, cried, reflected, > and came together to show our respect and love for Harley and the > impact he hat on our lives. Everytime he came into the room, he lit up > everyone with his presence and when it came to his cancer, he never > showed trepidation or once complained about it. > > Although he is no longer with us physically, his spirit will live in > so many of us eternally and his love that he gave to the world will > forever be immortal. > > Warm regards, > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Treasurer > Texas Association of Blind Students > > On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >> Thanks. I'm glad you were able to read and appreciate it, and in >> conjunction the amazing person Harley is. His legacy will always live >> on. On a vastly different note, I didn't even know the Braille Note >> Touch was out yet! How does it work for you? I have friends in >> Humanware, and I know they were so excited to release the product, but >> from a customer viewpoint, how have you found your experience with it? >> >> On 8/13/16, Cullen via NABS-L wrote: >>> That was very touching. I wish I could have had the chance to know him >>> myself. God will take good care of him. >>> Cullen >>> >>> Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 >>> >>> On Aug 13, 2016 7:19 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry. Forgot it would be marked as spam. It's not. Remind me not to >>>> forward messages from myself LOL. >>>> >>>> On 8/13/16, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: >>>> > Hello All, >>>> > >>>> > I wanted to share this with you because Harley was such a big NABS >>>> > presence. I put this together with Kelly Cusack, Merlyn Hileman, >>>> > Maura >>>> > Loberg, Su Park, Precious Perez, Hannah Saunt, and Alyssa Townsend. >>>> > We >>>> > were all Braille Challenge finalists who knew Harley at least in part >>>> > through that. I hope that those of you who knew Harley will be able >>>> > to >>>> > remember him through some of our favorite times, and that those of >>>> > you >>>> > who did not know him will be able to become familiar with the >>>> > phenomenal, extraordinary person he was and is. I got permission from >>>> > his parents to share this, so feel free to do the same. May his soul >>>> > rest in peace, for he is certainly one of Heaven's angels. >>>> > >>>> > Best, >>>> > Cricket X. Bidleman >>>> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >>>> > >>>> > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> > From: Cricket Bidleman >>>> > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 09:59:37 -0700 >>>> > Subject: In Memory of Harley Fetterman >>>> > To: Liz Wisecarver >>>> > >>>> > It's in HTML, so I couldn't just copy and paste it. Thanks so much! >>>> > >>>> > Best, >>>> > Cricket X. Bidleman >>>> > California Association of Blind Students, Webmaster >>>> > Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >>>> > >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org >> > > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 00:30:21 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:30:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Message-ID: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> Hi Cricket and all, The touch 32 began shipping in late May, and the 18 began shipping about two weeks ago. I just received my touch Thursday, so I am still figuring it out and learning how to use some of the new Keysoft apps. So far, I am amazed. It's really powerful, and it performs so much better than my apex. I look forward to putting it through the real test, using it in class for my senior year in highschool. Right now, I'm just so impressed with what Humanware has done, and I can't believe I won it at convention. Those are my initial thoughts so far. Cullen Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 From jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu Sun Aug 14 02:37:08 2016 From: jaw1431 at jagmail.southalabama.edu (Jessica) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 21:37:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] My math lab plus by Pearson education Message-ID: <026EF9BE-562B-4809-A90B-66A1734930FF@jagmail.southalabama.edu> Hello, I am currently taking my first math course. The professor is using a soft where called my math lab plus by Pearson education. I wanted to know was my math lab plus assessable with jaws? If not how did you all resolve any issues that occurred? Thank you in advance Sent from my iPhone From kidbrailler at aol.com Sun Aug 14 02:52:04 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:52:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] My math lab plus by Pearson education In-Reply-To: <026EF9BE-562B-4809-A90B-66A1734930FF@jagmail.southalabama.edu> References: <026EF9BE-562B-4809-A90B-66A1734930FF@jagmail.southalabama.edu> Message-ID: <576C5D0A-E956-4B34-971A-6E266A380A4E@aol.com> Good evening Jessica, I took a class using the my math lab software. For the most part, it is accessible. The problem I found, was the their onscreen keyboard didn't work when doing exponents and such. Please feel free to email me off-list with any questions. Sincerely Alonza. > On Aug 13, 2016, at 10:37 PM, Jessica via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, I am currently taking my first math course. The professor is using a soft where called my math lab plus by Pearson education. I wanted to know was my math lab plus assessable with jaws? If not how did you all resolve any issues that occurred? Thank you in advance > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 06:21:51 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 00:21:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] My math lab plus by Pearson education In-Reply-To: <026EF9BE-562B-4809-A90B-66A1734930FF@jagmail.southalabama.edu> References: <026EF9BE-562B-4809-A90B-66A1734930FF@jagmail.southalabama.edu> Message-ID: <4FECA76A-31B8-48C3-B35F-349DB166348E@gmail.com> Haven’t done that one in a long time, since I did it concurrently in my senior year of high school. I found it to be passible, but there was a lot of improvement that could’ve been done. Hopefully positive progress has been made during the past 3 years…sorry I couldn’t give more updated information. Good luck at school. Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Aug 13, 2016, at 20:37, Jessica via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, I am currently taking my first math course. The professor is using a soft where called my math lab plus by Pearson education. I wanted to know was my math lab plus assessable with jaws? If not how did you all resolve any issues that occurred? Thank you in advance > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 15:05:07 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 11:05:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> Hello all, I got my BrailleNote Touch about two weeks ago now, and it's been a bit of a rocky start, honestly. It kept freezing up when I unlocked it, and I lost several documents that way. Since the update last week, it hasn't frozen once, so hopefully that's fixed. I'm not a huge fan of the case, honestly. It's bulky and heavy, and I found that the tactile keyboard keeps missing the dots I'm typing, and I'm actually more accurate using TouchBraille on the screen. Also I hate the Velcro to close the compartment up above, and I feel like the magnets that close the case aren't that secure and they keep moving so my BrailleNote either keeps waking up out of sleep mode or, once, turned on after I shut it completely down. I do love how much it can do, and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. On the other hand, until it can open multiple word documents at once and allow easy switching between them, I'll probably be using my Apex in class, because I like to have my textbook open in one file and my notes open in another. Basically, there's a lot of good to be said for the BrailleNote Touch, but there are definitely some features about the Apex I miss. Looking forward to hearing what others think of it. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cullen via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:30 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Cullen Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Hi Cricket and all, The touch 32 began shipping in late May, and the 18 began shipping about two weeks ago. I just received my touch Thursday, so I am still figuring it out and learning how to use some of the new Keysoft apps. So far, I am amazed. It's really powerful, and it performs so much better than my apex. I look forward to putting it through the real test, using it in class for my senior year in highschool. Right now, I'm just so impressed with what Humanware has done, and I can't believe I won it at convention. Those are my initial thoughts so far. Cullen Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 15:35:59 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 09:35:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch thoughts and an invitation for all In-Reply-To: <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E0D64CF-D5CA-4E0E-A8F1-962C390DBFAD@gmail.com> Good morning everyone, I hope that your Sunday is off to a great start! On Thursday the UPS driver delivered two packages, one of which was my braille note touch. I'm liking it quite a lot in terms of speed and efficiency etc., but definitely agree with other people that I do miss some of the functionality of the apex. There is a Facebook group of braille note users, just go to your search box on Facebook and type braillenote users to join the group, this has taken the place of the braille note user group on the list. humanware.com website. The Facebook group is relatively active, and old and new users of any of humanware's line of braille note products would help it grow from its current status of just over 200 members. I hope everyone enjoys using their touch, and in the future email I will include the direct join link for the group if that would help anyone. Have an enjoyable rest of your day. Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > On Aug 14, 2016, at 09:05, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello all, > I got my BrailleNote Touch about two weeks ago now, and it's been a bit of a > rocky start, honestly. It kept freezing up when I unlocked it, and I lost > several documents that way. Since the update last week, it hasn't frozen > once, so hopefully that's fixed. I'm not a huge fan of the case, honestly. > It's bulky and heavy, and I found that the tactile keyboard keeps missing > the dots I'm typing, and I'm actually more accurate using TouchBraille on > the screen. Also I hate the Velcro to close the compartment up above, and I > feel like the magnets that close the case aren't that secure and they keep > moving so my BrailleNote either keeps waking up out of sleep mode or, once, > turned on after I shut it completely down. > I do love how much it can do, and I feel like I've barely scratched the > surface. On the other hand, until it can open multiple word documents at > once and allow easy switching between them, I'll probably be using my Apex > in class, because I like to have my textbook open in one file and my notes > open in another. > Basically, there's a lot of good to be said for the BrailleNote Touch, but > there are definitely some features about the Apex I miss. > Looking forward to hearing what others think of it. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cullen via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:30 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Cullen > Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch > > Hi Cricket and all, > The touch 32 began shipping in late May, and the 18 began shipping about two > weeks ago. I just received my touch Thursday, so I am still figuring it out > and learning how to use some of the new Keysoft apps. So far, I am amazed. > It's really powerful, and it performs so much better than my apex. I look > forward to putting it through the real test, using it in class for my senior > year in highschool. Right now, I'm just so impressed with what Humanware has > done, and I can't believe I won it at convention. Those are my initial > thoughts so far. > Cullen > > Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 16:32:39 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 10:32:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Link to online braille note user group Message-ID: <5B0374BA-989C-41B6-829C-F63AE0C41C9E@gmail.com> Good morning everyone, there has been some discussion on the braille note Touch and Apex on some groups lately, so I thought I would post the link for a Facebook group where members can discuss their humanware braille note takers. You can find and join the group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/416309421735723/ Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 16:44:36 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 12:44:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:13:00 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:13:00 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Link to online braille note user group In-Reply-To: <5B0374BA-989C-41B6-829C-F63AE0C41C9E@gmail.com> References: <5B0374BA-989C-41B6-829C-F63AE0C41C9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009501d1f64f$1d51e290$57f5a7b0$@gmail.com> Does anyone know where a braille touch u2 list is? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 12:33 PM To: David Andrews via Nabs-L ; iabs-talk at nfbnet.org; Lin H. via IL-Talk ; Kevan Worley via Colorado-Talk ; cabs at nfbnet.org Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer Subject: [nabs-l] Link to online braille note user group Good morning everyone, there has been some discussion on the braille note Touch and Apex on some groups lately, so I thought I would post the link for a Facebook group where members can discuss their humanware braille note takers. You can find and join the group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/416309421735723/ Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From amanie1226 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:37:54 2016 From: amanie1226 at gmail.com (amanie) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:37:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good afternoon I will be receiving the touch this Friday so I will provide my input then. I'm looking forward to using it and experiencing the new features. Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley MSED student/TVI in training B.S. Psychology/Education 914-308-6944 > On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amanie1226%40gmail.com From jldail13 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:47:26 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:47:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70D18406-E551-49B0-AF96-DD0F74DDD427@gmail.com> Hi, How can those of us who don’t have access to social media get help with the Braillenote. I’m not allowed on those types of sites, but still want to be able to ask questions if necessary. Thanks for any tips you can provide, Jessica On 8/14/16, 1:37 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of amanie via NABS-L" wrote: Good afternoon I will be receiving the touch this Friday so I will provide my input then. I'm looking forward to using it and experiencing the new features. Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley MSED student/TVI in training B.S. Psychology/Education 914-308-6944 > On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amanie1226%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Aug 14 18:10:41 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 13:10:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Forgetting the price for a moment, HumanWare has done a nice job of mixing Android with dedicated application. There are no guarantees that other Android apps will be accessible. However, within the Keysoft menus, the experience is very much like the old BrailleNote and Apex. I don't think you need to worry too much about accessibility of Android to use the main BrailleNote functions. I would, though, add my voice to the earlier comment that there is, in my mind, a big oversight in designing the unlock button and the soft case such that the unlock button can easily be pressed when the case is closed. At this point, it appears to me that one really needs to power it all the way down when carrying it around. For someone taking classes, this isn't really an option because it takes quite a while to boot up when the power is turned on, longer than the time it takes to reboot the Apex. I suspect HumanWare will have to come out with some kind of fix for this, though, but this seems like such an obvious problem to not have detected already. Humanware had done a pretty good job of warning people, but document format is different. It appears to me that nothing is actually stored in braille. It is more like IOS devices where everything is back-translated from the keyboard and translated to the display. However, old Keyword Braille documents that use braille that is not completely standard, for example if you mix in occasional Grade Three, they can be exported as BRF files and read on the BrailleNote Touch using their BRF reader. We have also experienced long lock-ups but Humanware is trying to get to the bottom of it. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 14 22:13:13 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 17:13:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <70D18406-E551-49B0-AF96-DD0F74DDD427@gmail.com> References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <70D18406-E551-49B0-AF96-DD0F74DDD427@gmail.com> Message-ID: What do you mean by "social media." Do you mean Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Linked-In or something else. Maybe you can get people to ask questions for you. But ultimately, you have to be on something to primarily benefit. Dave At 12:47 PM 8/14/2016, you wrote: >Hi, How can those of us who don’t have access >to social media get help with the Braillenote. >I’m not allowed on those types of sites, but >still want to be able to ask questions if >necessary. Thanks for any tips you can provide, >Jessica On 8/14/16, 1:37 PM, "NABS-L on behalf >of amanie via NABS-L" on behalf of nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: Good >afternoon I will be receiving the touch this >Friday so I will provide my input then. I'm >looking forward to using it and experiencing the >new features. Sent from my iPhone >Ms. Amanie T Riley MSED student/TVI in >training B.S. >Psychology/Education 914-308-6944 > >On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Aaron via NABS-L > wrote: > > I really >like the concept however, I worry about the >accessibility of the device running android. I >alao see the alure of a dedicated device >especially from HIMS. I would like to see a >touch and someday get >one. > > > > _______________________________________________ From jldail13 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:47:30 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 18:47:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: References: <57afbba0.9467370a.99dea.71d4@mx.google.com> <001101d1f63d$3f3d6080$bdb82180$@gmail.com> <15689f0d120.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> <70D18406-E551-49B0-AF96-DD0F74DDD427@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, sites like the first few you mentioned. Had they kept the list, I'd join that. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2016, at 6:13 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L wrote: > > What do you mean by "social media." Do you mean Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Linked-In or something else. > > Maybe you can get people to ask questions for you. But ultimately, you have to be on something to primarily benefit. > > Dave > > At 12:47 PM 8/14/2016, you wrote: >> Hi, How can those of us who don’t have access to social media get help with the Braillenote. I’m not allowed on those types of sites, but still want to be able to ask questions if necessary. Thanks for any tips you can provide, Jessica On 8/14/16, 1:37 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of amanie via NABS-L" wrote: Good afternoon I will be receiving the touch this Friday so I will provide my input then. I'm looking forward to using it and experiencing the new features. Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley MSED student/TVI in training B.S. Psychology/Education 914-308-6944 > On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 04:44:21 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 21:44:21 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch thoughts and an invitation for all Message-ID: <57b148a7.8c1b620a.eed1b.a824@mx.google.com> Hi Zach, Could you explain what the Touch is less efficient than the Apex? I have an Apex and would like to know. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L" wrote: Hello all, I got my BrailleNote Touch about two weeks ago now, and it's been a bit of a rocky start, honestly. It kept freezing up when I unlocked it, and I lost several documents that way. Since the update last week, it hasn't frozen once, so hopefully that's fixed. I'm not a huge fan of the case, honestly. It's bulky and heavy, and I found that the tactile keyboard keeps missing the dots I'm typing, and I'm actually more accurate using TouchBraille on the screen. Also I hate the Velcro to close the compartment up above, and I feel like the magnets that close the case aren't that secure and they keep moving so my BrailleNote either keeps waking up out of sleep mode or, once, turned on after I shut it completely down. I do love how much it can do, and I feel like I've barely scratched the surface. On the other hand, until it can open multiple word documents at once and allow easy switching between them, I'll probably be using my Apex in class, because I like to have my textbook open in one file and my notes open in another. Basically, there's a lot of good to be said for the BrailleNote Touch, but there are definitely some features about the Apex I miss. Looking forward to hearing what others think of it. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cullen via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:30 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Cullen References: <57b148a7.8c1b620a.eed1b.a824@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <99D375FF-7CA9-4F36-94C5-65B8153D6676@gmail.com> Well Sometimes I just feel like that because you have to press the letter that you want then press enter for example, it definitely takes more time to boot if it is shut down or reset, just small things like that. It is a great tool and I'm slowly getting used to it over the course of these few days before school, though. In a lot of aspects it is better then the apex too, don't get me wrong! Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > On Aug 14, 2016, at 22:44, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Zach, > Could you explain what the Touch is less efficient than the Apex? > I have an Apex and would like to know. > Vejas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 09:35:59 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch thoughts and an invitation for all > > Good morning everyone, I hope that your Sunday is off to a great start! On Thursday the UPS driver delivered two packages, one of which was my braille note touch. I'm liking it quite a lot in terms of speed and efficiency etc., but definitely agree with other people that I do miss some of the functionality of the apex. There is a Facebook group of braille note users, just go to your search box on Facebook and type braillenote users to join the group, this has taken the place of the braille note user group on the list. humanware.com website. The Facebook group is relatively active, and old and new users of any of humanware's line of braille note products would help it grow from its current status of just over 200 members. I hope everyone enjoys using their touch, and in the future email I will include the direct join link for the group if that would help anyone. Have an enjoyable rest of your day. > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > > On Aug 14, 2016, at 09:05, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello all, > I got my BrailleNote Touch about two weeks ago now, and it's been a bit of a > rocky start, honestly. It kept freezing up when I unlocked it, and I lost > several documents that way. Since the update last week, it hasn't frozen > once, so hopefully that's fixed. I'm not a huge fan of the case, honestly. > It's bulky and heavy, and I found that the tactile keyboard keeps missing > the dots I'm typing, and I'm actually more accurate using TouchBraille on > the screen. Also I hate the Velcro to close the compartment up above, and I > feel like the magnets that close the case aren't that secure and they keep > moving so my BrailleNote either keeps waking up out of sleep mode or, once, > turned on after I shut it completely down. > I do love how much it can do, and I feel like I've barely scratched the > surface. On the other hand, until it can open multiple word documents at > once and allow easy switching between them, I'll probably be using my Apex > in class, because I like to have my textbook open in one file and my notes > open in another. > Basically, there's a lot of good to be said for the BrailleNote Touch, but > there are definitely some features about the Apex I miss. > Looking forward to hearing what others think of it. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cullen via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 8:30 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Cullen Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch > > Hi Cricket and all, > The touch 32 began shipping in late May, and the 18 began shipping about two > weeks ago. I just received my touch Thursday, so I am still figuring it out > and learning how to use some of the new Keysoft apps. So far, I am amazed. > It's really powerful, and it performs so much better than my apex. I look > forward to putting it through the real test, using it in class for my senior > year in highschool. Right now, I'm just so impressed with what Humanware has > done, and I can't believe I won it at convention. Those are my initial > thoughts so far. > Cullen > > Sent from a Braillenote Touch 18 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gm > ail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 06:23:20 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2016 23:23:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Message-ID: <57b15fdb.c54c420a.f8cc2.bc12@mx.google.com> Hi, For all you braillenote touch users, do you use the keyboard or the touch screen? I'm personally not a real fan of touch screens, but that's just me. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Cullen via NABS-L Is Apple Maps or google Maps better at accessible navigation? I am taking a train by myself soon. Any other Appd you recommend? Thank you, Emma Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From nabs.president at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 12:13:03 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:13:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigation Apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Emma, I much prefer the user interface on google maps. Give it a try :) Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Is Apple Maps or google Maps better at accessible navigation? I am taking a train by myself soon. Any other Appd you recommend? > Thank you, > Emma > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 12:18:56 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 08:18:56 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigation Apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201d1f6ef$32a44ca0$97ece5e0$@gmail.com> Blind squared maybe. I've heard that its good. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of NABS President via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 8:13 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: NABS President Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Navigation Apps? Emma, I much prefer the user interface on google maps. Give it a try :) Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Is Apple Maps or google Maps better at accessible navigation? I am taking a train by myself soon. Any other Appd you recommend? > Thank you, > Emma > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and > Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member > of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40g > mail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:50:35 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 09:50:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigation Apps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1033E614-3C85-489E-B497-A832426856C6@gmail.com> Hi Emma. It was great talking to you last night. I like google maps too. It's also great for public transit directions. > On Aug 15, 2016, at 7:54 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Is Apple Maps or google Maps better at accessible navigation? I am taking a train by myself soon. Any other Appd you recommend? > Thank you, > Emma > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 02:46:33 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:46:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee question? Message-ID: <6DF7A3A8-50BB-4901-9345-B7F59C58FFF9@gmail.com> Dear everyone, Who is taking apart in the leader toolkit? I would like to take a role in this as part of the NABS communications committee Thank you Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 02:53:45 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 19:53:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee question? In-Reply-To: <6DF7A3A8-50BB-4901-9345-B7F59C58FFF9@gmail.com> References: <6DF7A3A8-50BB-4901-9345-B7F59C58FFF9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Emma, I think that's already being taken care of, if it hasn't been already. If not, I would definitely be interested too! I'm also part of the membership and communications committee, and I have an interest in NABS and leadership. Thanks! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/15/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > Dear everyone, > Who is taking apart in the leader toolkit? I would like to take a role in > this as part of the NABS communications committee > Thank you > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a > division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From jameyanne at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 03:55:13 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 23:55:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <57b15fdb.c54c420a.f8cc2.bc12@mx.google.com> References: <57b15fdb.c54c420a.f8cc2.bc12@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008c01d1f771$fea84220$fbf8c660$@gmail.com> I really thought I would be using the keyboard all the time and not the touch screen, but once I figured out TouchBraille, I've found I'm actually more accurate on the touch screen than I am using the tactile keyboard. I'm not sure why, but the when I've been using the keyboard, I keep missing dots somehow. As long as I remember ot keep my wrists resting just behind the Braille display, I can type fairly accurately and quickly right on the touch screen. In that respect, it's not really a touch screen like you'd think of a touch screen on a smart phone or iPad or android tablet. You can turn off TouchBraille and navigate using gestures, but you can also just use first letter navigation and the thumb keys and cursor routing keys. Honestly, I figured out how to turn the visual display off to help conserve battery, so now it's just like a flat surface to type on. I agree with the comment that there are some aspects of the Touch that seem less efficient than the Apex, especially that when you use first letter navigation, you have to hit the letter and then hit enter on what's selected. Also the battery life is not very good at all, even if it's just locked, and I miss my dictionary and easy word lookup (haven't found a good app for that yet and even if I do I'm not sure there's an option to just look up a word I have the cursor on). But all that being said, there's a lot of great features that didn't exist on the Apex, like actual internet, the ability to download third party apps, that sort of thing. I'm really enjoying access to Dropbox, for example, and I can't wait for the KNFB Reader to become available. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 2:23 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Hi, For all you braillenote touch users, do you use the keyboard or the touch screen? I'm personally not a real fan of touch screens, but that's just me. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Cullen via NABS-L Hi=20Jessica=20and=20all, There=20is=20still=20an=20active=20BrailleNote=20email=20listserv=20in=20ad= dition=20 to=20the=20Facebook=20group.=20=20You=20can=20subscribe=20at=20the=20link=20= below: http://www.freelists.org/list/braillenote Hope=20this=20helps! Lucy =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Jessica=20Dail=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wrote: =20What=20do=20you=20mean=20by=20"social=20media."=20=20Do=20you=20mean=20F= acebook,=20 Twitter,=20YouTube,=20Linked-In=20or=20something=20else. =20Maybe=20you=20can=20get=20people=20to=20ask=20questions=20for=20you.=20= =20But=20 ultimately,=20you=20have=20to=20be=20on=20something=20to=20primarily=20bene= fit. =20Dave =20At=2012:47=20PM=208/14/2016,=20you=20wrote: =20Hi,=20How=20can=20those=20of=20us=20who=20don=E2=80=99t=20have=20access= =20to=20social=20media=20 get=20help=20with=20the=20Braillenote.=20=20I=E2=80=99m=20not=20allowed=20o= n=20those=20types=20 of=20sites,=20but=20still=20want=20to=20be=20able=20to=20ask=20questions=20= if=20 necessary.=20=20Thanks=20for=20any=20tips=20you=20can=20provide,=20Jessica= =20On=20 8/14/16,=201:37=20PM,=20"NABS-L=20on=20behalf=20of=20amanie=20via=20NABS-L"= =20 =20wrote:= =20=20=20=20=20 Good=20afternoon=20=20=20=20=20I=20will=20be=20receiving=20the=20touch=20th= is=20Friday=20so=20I=20 will=20provide=20my=20input=20then.=20=20=20=20=20I'm=20looking=20forward=20= to=20using=20it=20 and=20experiencing=20the=20new=20features.=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20Sent=20from=20my=20 iPhone=20Ms.=20=20Amanie=20T=20Riley=20=20=20=20=20MSED=20student/TVI=20in= =20training=20=20=20=20=20 B.S.=20=20Psychology/Education=20=20=20=20=20914-308-6944=20=20=20=20=20=20= =20=20=20>=20On=20Aug=2014,=20 2016,=20at=2012:44=20PM,=20Aaron=20via=20NABS-L=20=20wro= te:=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20>=20I=20really=20like=20the=20concept=20however,=20I=20worr= y=20about=20the=20 accessibility=20of=20the=20device=20running=20android.=20=20I=20alao=20see= =20the=20 alure=20of=20a=20dedicated=20device=20especially=20from=20HIMS.=20=20I=20wo= uld=20like=20 to=20see=20a=20touch=20and=20someday=20get=20one.=20=20=20=20=20>=20=20=20= =20=20>=20=20=20=20=20>=20=20=20=20=20>=20 _______________________________________________ =20_______________________________________________ =20NABS-L=20mailing=20list =20NABS-L at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20NABS-L: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L=20mailing=20list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Aug 16 04:12:40 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 00:12:40 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <57b290ba.edb5420a.3e690.8776@mx.google.com> References: <57b290ba.edb5420a.3e690.8776@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Lucy, good to know. I'd like to join the group. How high traffic is it? Does it have a public archive of messages? Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 12:03 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Lucy Sirianni Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Hi Jessica and all, There is still an active BrailleNote email listserv in addition to the Facebook group. You can subscribe at the link below: http://www.freelists.org/list/braillenote Hope this helps! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: What do you mean by "social media." Do you mean Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Linked-In or something else. Maybe you can get people to ask questions for you. But ultimately, you have to be on something to primarily benefit. Dave At 12:47 PM 8/14/2016, you wrote: Hi, How can those of us who don?�t have access to social media get help with the Braillenote. I?�m not allowed on those types of sites, but still want to be able to ask questions if necessary. Thanks for any tips you can provide, Jessica On 8/14/16, 1:37 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of amanie via NABS-L" wrote: Good afternoon I will be receiving the touch this Friday so I will provide my input then. I'm looking forward to using it and experiencing the new features. Sent from my iPhone Ms. Amanie T Riley MSED student/TVI in training B.S. Psychology/Education 914-308-6944 > On Aug 14, 2016, at 12:44 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > I really like the concept however, I worry about the accessibility of the device running android. I alao see the alure of a dedicated device especially from HIMS. I would like to see a touch and someday get one. > > > > _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 08:34:11 2016 From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 22:34:11 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Communications committee question? In-Reply-To: References: <6DF7A3A8-50BB-4901-9345-B7F59C58FFF9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5ACEDBCE-9EB5-4D55-A172-7A9983BADF1C@gmail.com> Greetings, If I'm not mistaken, this particular project may fall under Membership. I suggest you reach out to the Chair of the Membership committee Bre Brown, at Bre.Brown24 at gmail.com I hope this helps; thanks for your continued effort. Shannon KS Cantan > On Aug 15, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Emma, > > I think that's already being taken care of, if it hasn't been already. > If not, I would definitely be interested too! I'm also part of the > membership and communications committee, and I have an interest in > NABS and leadership. Thanks! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > >> On 8/15/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> Dear everyone, >> Who is taking apart in the leader toolkit? I would like to take a role in >> this as part of the NABS communications committee >> Thank you >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a >> division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shannoncantan.nfb%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 13:01:16 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:01:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch Message-ID: <57b30ec6.a72aed0a.18343.c9f7@mx.google.com> I thought the KNFB reader is already available. They announced at convention that all Braillenote Touch's would come with it already installed. Is that not the case? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L References: <57b30ec6.a72aed0a.18343.c9f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00cf01d1f7c8$6ebfd2c0$4c3f7840$@gmail.com> I think it's coming in an update. They just got the camera connected in the update this did last week, and I'm not seeing the KNFB reader app yet. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 9:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch I thought the KNFB reader is already available. They announced at convention that all Braillenote Touch's would come with it already installed. Is that not the case? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L A few days ago, someone posted to the list about Pearson's My Math Lab product with questions about its accessibility. I am writing to give any assistance I can, and to point folks to the resources available from Pearson directly. If your questions are not answered by either this document, or the Pearson Accessibility page, please feel free to reach out and I will be happy to provide any assistance I can. My Math Lab Accessibility Notes Notes from the author (Me) As the original questioner was asking about JAWS accessibility with the software, I have copied out that portion of the webpage below as well as the link to Pearson's getting started with Jaws documentation into this e-mail. The page does also offer some useful information for users of magnification, color adjustment, and other similar tools. Please be aware, as is mentioned in the documentation below, not all math problems are actually accessible. Please consult with your professor or school's Disabled Student Services office if you find that some questions are accessible while others are not, as this issue is likely related to inaccessible equations. . Using a screenreader (Quoted from https://www.pearsonmylabandmastering.com/northamerica/mymathlab/accessibility/ ) Users with low, or no, vision can use screen-reader software for the html portions of the site. Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes can read the Calendar, Results, Announcements, Study Plan topics, and list of available assignments to you. The questions in assignments (homework, quizzes, and tests) and in the Study Plan, are rendered in our Math Question Player. MyMathLab supports the JAWS screen reader** in selected single and multiple answer multiple-choice and free response questions. For free response questions, a text equivalent of math notation and symbols (command line language) can be entered using the keyboard. Enhancements to the assignment manager now allow instructors to easily identify and select accessible questions. For textbooks with copyright 2012 and later, screen reader accessible questions have a "blue ear" icon next to them and include the alternative text description, "Question is screen reader accessible." On special request, identification of accessible questions in older textbooks can also be provided. While you are using the JAWS screenreader, you may have questions that do not work correctly. Below is a list of some of the known issues that we are working to resolve. * In some questions, the decimal number is read incorrectly. * In some questions, expressions are not read in one line. **The mobile-enhanced (HTML5) player supports JAWS 15 and 16. The standard (Flash(tm)) player supports up to JAWS 14. For help on getting started, use the Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS . Additional information is available in the student online help. Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS: Word Document Download Link: http://www.pearsonhighered.com/mediaproducts/mylab-support-shared-files/assets/documents/MyMathLabND_and_JAWS_quick_start_instructions_08272014.doc Contact information If you want more information than is provided in the documentation listed above, you may be interested in reaching out to the accessibility team for the product who can be found at: disability.support at pearson.com If you have other feedback and suggestions about Pearson product accessibility, , I am certain their team would be happy to receive it, but I also invite you to reach out to me directly at amason at nfb.org as the Access Technology team is collecting information concerning Pearson as well. We test lots of products, but very honestly, because you use them every day, you know them much better than we do. For this reason, your feedback is invaluable in our work. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 21:07:39 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:07:39 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Committee announcement for our members Message-ID: <012101d1f802$39223060$ab669120$@gmail.com> Good evening NABS: After much thought and consideration, I have decided to split the Membership/Communications Committee into two separate committees: membership and communications respectively. This means we have separate chairs for each of the above committees. Bryan Duarte will be overseeing the Communications Committee, while Bre Brown will be the chair of the Membership Committee. While we discussed various projects under the umbrella of both Mem and Comm, that will be divided depending on relevance. For example, Bryan will be heading NABS Notes, website, blog posts, resource database, social media, etc. and Bre will be leading projects such as member outreach, collaboration with other national divisions, and new projects that Bre will share with us all. Please reach out to Bryan individually if you are interested in working with him on communications. His email is bjduarte at asu.edu . He would love all the help he can get. For clarification purposes, Bryan Duarte is chair with Tarik Williams as his co-chair; and Bre Brown is chair of membership with Chris Nusbaum as her co-chair. Shannon Cantan is in charge of social media, so will be working heavily with the communications team for transparency, involvement, and expansion. Thank you for all of your work, energy, and enthusiasm, as we build the National Federation of the Blind. Best, Kathryn Webster President | national association of Blind Students From emitchell927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 21:49:41 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:49:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Committee announcement for our members In-Reply-To: <012101d1f802$39223060$ab669120$@gmail.com> References: <012101d1f802$39223060$ab669120$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D3AF825-3B42-4F04-8C2C-2468E40A243A@gmail.com> Dear Kathryn, Does this also mean members also have to contact Bre if they wish to remain involved with outreach and membership? Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:07 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: > > Good evening NABS: > > > > After much thought and consideration, I have decided to > split the Membership/Communications Committee into two separate committees: > membership and communications respectively. > > > > This means we have separate chairs for each of the above committees. Bryan > Duarte will be overseeing the Communications Committee, while Bre Brown will > be the chair of the Membership Committee. While we discussed various > projects under the umbrella of both Mem and Comm, that will be divided > depending on relevance. For example, Bryan will be heading NABS Notes, > website, blog posts, resource database, social media, etc. and Bre will be > leading projects such as member outreach, collaboration with other national > divisions, and new projects that Bre will share with us all. > > > > Please reach out to Bryan individually if you are interested in working with > him on communications. His email is bjduarte at asu.edu > . He would love all the help he can get. > > > > For clarification purposes, Bryan Duarte is chair with Tarik Williams as his > co-chair; and Bre Brown is chair of membership with Chris Nusbaum as her > co-chair. Shannon Cantan is in charge of social media, so will be working > heavily with the communications team for transparency, involvement, and > expansion. > > > > Thank you for all of your work, energy, and enthusiasm, as we build the > National Federation of the Blind. > > > > Best, > > Kathryn Webster > > President | national association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Aug 16 22:00:32 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:00:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch In-Reply-To: <57b30ec6.a72aed0a.18343.c9f7@mx.google.com> References: <57b30ec6.a72aed0a.18343.c9f7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The KNFB-Reader will be available on the BrailleNote Touch, but that version hasn't been released yet. It is supposed to be coming in an update later this summer. Dave At 08:01 AM 8/16/2016, you wrote: >I thought the KNFB reader is already available. They announced at >convention that all Braillenote Touch's would come with it already >installed. Is that not the case? > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Mon, 15 Aug 2016 23:55:13 -0400 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch > >I really thought I would be using the keyboard all the time and not the >touch screen, but once I figured out TouchBraille, I've found I'm actually >more accurate on the touch screen than I am using the tactile keyboard. I'm >not sure why, but the when I've been using the keyboard, I keep missing dots >somehow. As long as I remember ot keep my wrists resting just behind the >Braille display, I can type fairly accurately and quickly right on the touch >screen. >In that respect, it's not really a touch screen like you'd think of a touch >screen on a smart phone or iPad or android tablet. You can turn off >TouchBraille and navigate using gestures, but you can also just use first >letter navigation and the thumb keys and cursor routing keys. Honestly, I >figured out how to turn the visual display off to help conserve battery, so >now it's just like a flat surface to type on. >I agree with the comment that there are some aspects of the Touch that seem >less efficient than the Apex, especially that when you use first letter >navigation, you have to hit the letter and then hit enter on what's >selected. Also the battery life is not very good at all, even if it's just >locked, and I miss my dictionary and easy word lookup (haven't found a good >app for that yet and even if I do I'm not sure there's an option to just >look up a word I have the cursor on). But all that being said, there's a lot >of great features that didn't exist on the Apex, like actual internet, the >ability to download third party apps, that sort of thing. I'm really >enjoying access to Dropbox, for example, and I can't wait for the KNFB >Reader to become available. >Jameyanne > >-----Original Message----- >From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas >Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2016 2:23 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch > >Hi, >For all you braillenote touch users, do you use the keyboard or >the touch screen? >I'm personally not a real fan of touch screens, but that's just >me. >Vejas >----- Original Message ----- >From: Cullen via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >Date sent: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 20:30:21 -0400 >Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch > >Hi Cricket and all, >The touch 32 began shipping in late May, and the 18 began >shipping about two weeks ago. I just received my touch Thursday, >so I am still figuring it out and learning how to use some of the >new Keysoft apps. So far, I am amazed. It's really powerful, >and it performs so much better than my apex. I look forward to >putting it through the real test, using it in class for my senior >year in highschool. Right now, I'm just so impressed with what >Humanware has done, and I can't believe I won it at convention. >Those are my initial thoughts so far. >Cullen From nabs.president at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:29:35 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 19:29:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Committee announcement for our members In-Reply-To: <7D3AF825-3B42-4F04-8C2C-2468E40A243A@gmail.com> References: <012101d1f802$39223060$ab669120$@gmail.com> <7D3AF825-3B42-4F04-8C2C-2468E40A243A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46D3FC2A-EE66-4B89-917F-FECBE1E8FB76@gmail.com> Hey Emma! Thanks for your message. There's no need to do that. Bre has all those interested noted so no worries! Glad you're working with us. Kathryn Kathryn Webster President, National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Emma Mitchell wrote: > > Dear Kathryn, > Does this also mean members also have to contact Bre if they wish to remain involved with outreach and membership? > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:07 PM, NABS President via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Good evening NABS: >> >> >> >> After much thought and consideration, I have decided to >> split the Membership/Communications Committee into two separate committees: >> membership and communications respectively. >> >> >> >> This means we have separate chairs for each of the above committees. Bryan >> Duarte will be overseeing the Communications Committee, while Bre Brown will >> be the chair of the Membership Committee. While we discussed various >> projects under the umbrella of both Mem and Comm, that will be divided >> depending on relevance. For example, Bryan will be heading NABS Notes, >> website, blog posts, resource database, social media, etc. and Bre will be >> leading projects such as member outreach, collaboration with other national >> divisions, and new projects that Bre will share with us all. >> >> >> >> Please reach out to Bryan individually if you are interested in working with >> him on communications. His email is bjduarte at asu.edu >> . He would love all the help he can get. >> >> >> >> For clarification purposes, Bryan Duarte is chair with Tarik Williams as his >> co-chair; and Bre Brown is chair of membership with Chris Nusbaum as her >> co-chair. Shannon Cantan is in charge of social media, so will be working >> heavily with the communications team for transparency, involvement, and >> expansion. >> >> >> >> Thank you for all of your work, energy, and enthusiasm, as we build the >> National Federation of the Blind. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> Kathryn Webster >> >> President | national association of Blind Students >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:30:29 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:30:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson My Math Lab + Accessibility information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 14:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > A few days ago, someone posted to the list about Pearson's My Math Lab product with questions about its accessibility. I am writing to give any assistance I can, and to point folks to the resources available from Pearson directly. > > If your questions are not answered by either this document, or the Pearson Accessibility page, please feel free to reach out and I will be happy to provide any assistance I can. > My Math Lab Accessibility Notes > Notes from the author (Me) > As the original questioner was asking about JAWS accessibility with the software, I have copied out that portion of the webpage below as well as the link to Pearson's getting started with Jaws documentation into this e-mail. The page does also offer some useful information for users of magnification, color adjustment, and other similar tools. > > Please be aware, as is mentioned in the documentation below, not all math problems are actually accessible. Please consult with your professor or school's Disabled Student Services office if you find that some questions are accessible while others are not, as this issue is likely related to inaccessible equations. . > > Using a screenreader (Quoted from https://www.pearsonmylabandmastering.com/northamerica/mymathlab/accessibility/ ) > > Users with low, or no, vision can use screen-reader software for the html portions of the site. Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes can read the Calendar, Results, Announcements, Study Plan topics, and list of available assignments to you. > > The questions in assignments (homework, quizzes, and tests) and in the Study Plan, are rendered in our Math Question Player. MyMathLab supports the JAWS screen reader** in selected single and multiple answer multiple-choice and free response questions. For free response questions, a text equivalent of math notation and symbols (command line language) can be entered using the keyboard. > Enhancements to the assignment manager now allow instructors to easily identify and select accessible questions. For textbooks with copyright 2012 and later, screen reader accessible questions have a "blue ear" icon next to them and include the alternative text description, "Question is screen reader accessible." On special request, identification of accessible questions in older textbooks can also be provided. > > While you are using the JAWS screenreader, you may have questions that do not work correctly. Below is a list of some of the known issues that we are working to resolve. > > > * In some questions, the decimal number is read incorrectly. > > * In some questions, expressions are not read in one line. > > **The mobile-enhanced (HTML5) player supports JAWS 15 and 16. The standard (Flash(tm)) player supports up to JAWS 14. For help on getting started, use the Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS > . Additional information is available in the student online help. > > Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS: Word Document Download Link: http://www.pearsonhighered.com/mediaproducts/mylab-support-shared-files/assets/documents/MyMathLabND_and_JAWS_quick_start_instructions_08272014.doc > > Contact information > > If you want more information than is provided in the documentation listed above, you may be interested in reaching out to the accessibility team for the product who can be found at: disability.support at pearson.com > > If you have other feedback and suggestions about Pearson product accessibility, , I am certain their team would be happy to receive it, but I also invite you to reach out to me directly at amason at nfb.org as the Access Technology team is collecting information concerning Pearson as well. We test lots of products, but very honestly, because you use them every day, you know them much better than we do. For this reason, your feedback is invaluable in our work. > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com What about with the latest Mac OSX with VoiceOber? From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:36:24 2016 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 18:36:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Pearson My Math Lab + Accessibility information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <980F6877-8CB0-4999-8387-23CC30C00A33@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 16, 2016, at 14:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > A few days ago, someone posted to the list about Pearson's My Math Lab product with questions about its accessibility. I am writing to give any assistance I can, and to point folks to the resources available from Pearson directly. > > If your questions are not answered by either this document, or the Pearson Accessibility page, please feel free to reach out and I will be happy to provide any assistance I can. > My Math Lab Accessibility Notes > Notes from the author (Me) > As the original questioner was asking about JAWS accessibility with the software, I have copied out that portion of the webpage below as well as the link to Pearson's getting started with Jaws documentation into this e-mail. The page does also offer some useful information for users of magnification, color adjustment, and other similar tools. > > Please be aware, as is mentioned in the documentation below, not all math problems are actually accessible. Please consult with your professor or school's Disabled Student Services office if you find that some questions are accessible while others are not, as this issue is likely related to inaccessible equations. . > > Using a screenreader (Quoted from https://www.pearsonmylabandmastering.com/northamerica/mymathlab/accessibility/ ) > > Users with low, or no, vision can use screen-reader software for the html portions of the site. Screen readers such as JAWS and Window-Eyes can read the Calendar, Results, Announcements, Study Plan topics, and list of available assignments to you. > > The questions in assignments (homework, quizzes, and tests) and in the Study Plan, are rendered in our Math Question Player. MyMathLab supports the JAWS screen reader** in selected single and multiple answer multiple-choice and free response questions. For free response questions, a text equivalent of math notation and symbols (command line language) can be entered using the keyboard. > Enhancements to the assignment manager now allow instructors to easily identify and select accessible questions. For textbooks with copyright 2012 and later, screen reader accessible questions have a "blue ear" icon next to them and include the alternative text description, "Question is screen reader accessible." On special request, identification of accessible questions in older textbooks can also be provided. > > While you are using the JAWS screenreader, you may have questions that do not work correctly. Below is a list of some of the known issues that we are working to resolve. > > > * In some questions, the decimal number is read incorrectly. > > * In some questions, expressions are not read in one line. > > **The mobile-enhanced (HTML5) player supports JAWS 15 and 16. The standard (Flash(tm)) player supports up to JAWS 14. For help on getting started, use the Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS > . Additional information is available in the student online help. > > Quick Start Instructions for Using MyMathLab with JAWS: Word Document Download Link: http://www.pearsonhighered.com/mediaproducts/mylab-support-shared-files/assets/documents/MyMathLabND_and_JAWS_quick_start_instructions_08272014.doc > > Contact information > > If you want more information than is provided in the documentation listed above, you may be interested in reaching out to the accessibility team for the product who can be found at: disability.support at pearson.com > > If you have other feedback and suggestions about Pearson product accessibility, , I am certain their team would be happy to receive it, but I also invite you to reach out to me directly at amason at nfb.org as the Access Technology team is collecting information concerning Pearson as well. We test lots of products, but very honestly, because you use them every day, you know them much better than we do. For this reason, your feedback is invaluable in our work. > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com Also, on both platforms, is accessability being improved on graphing problems such as number lines, plotting points on a graph, no matter the type? From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Wed Aug 17 16:57:37 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:57:37 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Utah association of blind students call tonight Message-ID: Hi all, I want to personally invite any of you who would like to attend the UABS call tonight at 8:30 MST. The call in number is 605-475-4000 and the code is 230539. Chelsea Peahl From awildheir at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 17:02:30 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:02:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books Message-ID: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of break before you dive into the fall semester. I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB three are the formats they consider to be accessible. I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone had success with the kindle PC software? Aimee Sent from my iPhone From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 17:16:50 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:16:50 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble getting them to read on my Mac. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of break before you dive into the fall semester. > > I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB three are the formats they consider to be accessible. > > I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone had success with the kindle PC software? > > Aimee > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 18:32:17 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:32:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble getting > them to read on my Mac. > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a > division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of break >> before you dive into the fall semester. >> >> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB three >> are the formats they consider to be accessible. >> >> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone had >> success with the kindle PC software? >> >> Aimee >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 18:51:32 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 14:51:32 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books Message-ID: <57b4b260.0109370a.712e3.deb4@mx.google.com> That is a possibility, but the trouble with Robobraille is that it strips out page numbers making the book useless for academic purposes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Polansky via NABS-L wrote: I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble getting them to read on my Mac. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. www.vitalsource.com Good luck with the school year. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason Polansky via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Jason Polansky Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble getting > them to read on my Mac. > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a > division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of break >> before you dive into the fall semester. >> >> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB three >> are the formats they consider to be accessible. >> >> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone had >> success with the kindle PC software? >> >> Aimee >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From awildheir at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 20:28:02 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:28:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. > > If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. > > You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. www.vitalsource.com > > Good luck with the school year. > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason Polansky via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Jason Polansky > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books > > Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille > display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them > with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't > have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the > file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like > Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. > >> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble getting >> them to read on my Mac. >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a >> division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> >>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of break >>> before you dive into the fall semester. >>> >>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB three >>> are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>> >>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone had >>> success with the kindle PC software? >>> >>> Aimee >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From Amason at nfb.org Wed Aug 17 20:53:25 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:53:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: They shoot for a 2-week turn around, and usually with there things, its inaccessible the way that a PDF that hasn't been tagged is inaccessible, usable, but if you have graphs and pictures, you will have problems, not a I can't use the book at all, sort of inaccessible. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Aimee Harwood Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. > > If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. > > You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers > for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible > enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. > http://www.vitalsource.com > > Good luck with the school year. > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason > Polansky via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Jason Polansky > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books > > Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille > display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them > with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't > have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the > file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like > Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. > >> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble >> getting them to read on my Mac. >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and >> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> >>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of >>> break before you dive into the fall semester. >>> >>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB >>> three are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>> >>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone >>> had success with the kindle PC software? >>> >>> Aimee >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 21:00:16 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:00:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Is this free? Or do you have to pay? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > They shoot for a 2-week turn around, and usually with there things, its inaccessible the way that a PDF that hasn't been tagged is inaccessible, usable, but if you have graphs and pictures, you will have problems, not a I can't use the book at all, sort of inaccessible. > > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books > > Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. >> >> If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. >> >> You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers >> for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible >> enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. >> http://www.vitalsource.com >> >> Good luck with the school year. >> >> Amy Mason >> Access Technology Specialist >> National Federation of the Blind >> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >> amason at nfb.org >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason >> Polansky via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Jason Polansky >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books >> >> Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille >> display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them >> with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't >> have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the >> file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like >> Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. >> >>> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble >>> getting them to read on my Mac. >>> >>> Emma >>> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and >>> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >>> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of >>>> break before you dive into the fall semester. >>>> >>>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB >>>> three are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>>> >>>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone >>>> had success with the kindle PC software? >>>> >>>> Aimee >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 21:21:58 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS President) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:21:58 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <023b01d1f8cd$634c8b80$29e5a280$@gmail.com> All, The app is free, but the books have prices, as far as I know. Kathryn Webster -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 5:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books Is this free? Or do you have to pay? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > They shoot for a 2-week turn around, and usually with there things, its inaccessible the way that a PDF that hasn't been tagged is inaccessible, usable, but if you have graphs and pictures, you will have problems, not a I can't use the book at all, sort of inaccessible. > > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee > Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books > > Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. >> >> If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. >> >> You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers >> for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible >> enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. >> http://www.vitalsource.com >> >> Good luck with the school year. >> >> Amy Mason >> Access Technology Specialist >> National Federation of the Blind >> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >> amason at nfb.org >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason >> Polansky via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Jason Polansky >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books >> >> Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille >> display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them >> with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you >> don't have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get >> the file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like >> Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. >> >>> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble >>> getting them to read on my Mac. >>> >>> Emma >>> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and >>> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >>> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of >>> NABS >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of >>>> break before you dive into the fall semester. >>>> >>>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB >>>> three are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>>> >>>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone >>>> had success with the kindle PC software? >>>> >>>> Aimee >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40 >>>> gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40 >>> gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. >> >> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail >> .com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.c om From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 21:57:10 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:57:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating with google maps? Message-ID: Can someone walk me through how to use google maps to navigate a place such as a train station? Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 00:37:53 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:37:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating with google maps? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A07A1AB-480D-4DDD-8198-73F606BD4FFB@gmail.com> Emma, as far as I know google maps isn't really made for this type of navigation. Because of your situation, I would probably request assistance at the station for someone to push you to your gate. They are usually pretty helpful and could help you locate the food court, restrooms, and such. Hopefully, you will be able to navigate on your own or with minimal assistance after gaining skills and more independence in Colorado and from others, but I think that would probably be your best option for now. > On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Can someone walk me through how to use google maps to navigate a place such as a train station? > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 00:57:10 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:57:10 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating with google maps? In-Reply-To: <7A07A1AB-480D-4DDD-8198-73F606BD4FFB@gmail.com> References: <7A07A1AB-480D-4DDD-8198-73F606BD4FFB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Jason, I will. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 17, 2016, at 8:37 PM, Jason Polansky via NABS-L wrote: > > Emma, as far as I know google maps isn't really made for this type of navigation. Because of your situation, I would probably request assistance at the station for someone to push you to your gate. They are usually pretty helpful and could help you locate the food court, restrooms, and such. Hopefully, you will be able to navigate on your own or with minimal assistance after gaining skills and more independence in Colorado and from others, but I think that would probably be your best option for now. > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 5:57 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Can someone walk me through how to use google maps to navigate a place such as a train station? >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 01:09:27 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:09:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?CABS_Board_Meeting=E2=80=94Save_the_Date?= Message-ID: Hello Friends, Our monthly CABS board meeting is coming up, and we would love to have all California students on it! It is a conference call open to all CABS members, though it should be noted that members are not allowed to participate in any voting that occurs, since it is chiefly a board conference call. Come and introduce yourself or reacquaint yourself with old friends. If you are a student in California, we would love to have you there! Date: Sunday, August 28, 2016 (I was told that it's always on the last Sunday of the month.) Time: 7:00 Pacific Standard Time Phone Number: 7124320385 Access Code: 958093 We will be discussing state convention, among other things. Help us make our 2016 NFB of California convention a year to remember! Please share with friends. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From awildheir at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 02:12:43 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:12:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2616A002-51BD-4C35-9EF2-552E8D16A94B@gmail.com> Ok thank you. So I can probably do more with a off then? Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > They shoot for a 2-week turn around, and usually with there things, its inaccessible the way that a PDF that hasn't been tagged is inaccessible, usable, but if you have graphs and pictures, you will have problems, not a I can't use the book at all, sort of inaccessible. > > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Aimee Harwood > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books > > Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. >> >> If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. >> >> You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers >> for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible >> enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. >> http://www.vitalsource.com >> >> Good luck with the school year. >> >> Amy Mason >> Access Technology Specialist >> National Federation of the Blind >> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >> amason at nfb.org >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason >> Polansky via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Jason Polansky >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books >> >> Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille >> display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them >> with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't >> have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the >> file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like >> Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. >> >>> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble >>> getting them to read on my Mac. >>> >>> Emma >>> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and >>> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >>> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >>> >>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of >>>> break before you dive into the fall semester. >>>> >>>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB >>>> three are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>>> >>>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone >>>> had success with the kindle PC software? >>>> >>>> Aimee >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From Amason at nfb.org Thu Aug 18 11:54:08 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 11:54:08 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle Books In-Reply-To: <2616A002-51BD-4C35-9EF2-552E8D16A94B@gmail.com> References: <7C641780-869A-4318-B348-67B6363E72FA@gmail.com> <16DC0CC2-C8D4-4A68-8231-634F7F0760D9@gmail.com> , <2616A002-51BD-4C35-9EF2-552E8D16A94B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1CED7AA2-000D-4130-B255-97A3EB35AFE4@nfb.org> Yeah, What sorts of books are you getting? The more technical stuff is going to be more problematic Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2016, at 10:14 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > > Ok thank you. So I can probably do more with a off then? > > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> They shoot for a 2-week turn around, and usually with there things, its inaccessible the way that a PDF that hasn't been tagged is inaccessible, usable, but if you have graphs and pictures, you will have problems, not a I can't use the book at all, sort of inaccessible. >> >> >> Amy Mason >> Access Technology Specialist >> National Federation of the Blind >> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place >> Baltimore, MD 21230 >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >> amason at nfb.org >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 4:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Aimee Harwood >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books >> >> Thank you for the vital source suggestion. Does it take them a while to make the necessary changes for it to be accessible? >> >> Aimee >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Remember, anything that you are doing with textbooks has to be usable enough for you to get the information you need. Many documents aren't "technically accessible, but with some perseverance, you can make them work for you. PDF can be accessible if it is properly tagged, but very few are. That said, many untagged PDF's if they contain the actual text of the book, and are not dealing with complex graphics, tables, maps, charts and the like, or equations, are fairly readable, if somewhat bulky to deal with and navigate through. >>> >>> If you choose to try the Kindle option, I would recommend downloading a sample of the book and making sure it reads the way you need it to. If it's mostly plain text, Kindle might be all right. If the Kindle book says that it is a print replica, it will not work on iOS, and last I looked at the Kindle for PC app, it was not possible to read by anything smaller than a sentence or use Braille. >>> >>> You may also want to try Vital Source. They have accessible readers >>> for Windows, Mac, iOS, Android, and web. If a book is not accessible >>> enough to use they will work to make it that way for you. >>> http://www.vitalsource.com >>> >>> Good luck with the school year. >>> >>> Amy Mason >>> Access Technology Specialist >>> National Federation of the Blind >>> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 >>> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >>> amason at nfb.org >>> >>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>> >>> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason >>> Polansky via NABS-L >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:32 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Jason Polansky >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Kindle Books >>> >>> Hi Aimee. I have read Kindle books on my IPhone with a braille >>> display, and it works well. Pdf's can be accessible if you ocr them >>> with a program like Kurzweil, OpenBook, or DocuScan Plus. If you don't >>> have any of these programs, you can use robobraille.org and get the >>> file converted for free. As far as books are concerned, I like >>> Bookshare and IBooks better, but Kindle will certainly do the job. >>> >>>> On 8/17/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >>>> I know kindle app that is VoiceOver accessible. I've had trouble >>>> getting them to read on my Mac. >>>> >>>> Emma >>>> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and >>>> Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >>>> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >>>> >>>>> On Aug 17, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello group. I hope you guys are enjoying the last little bit of >>>>> break before you dive into the fall semester. >>>>> >>>>> I'm having difficulty in getting accessible versions of books. PDF >>>>> apparently isn't what the NFB considers accessible. Daisy and EPUB >>>>> three are the formats they consider to be accessible. >>>>> >>>>> I ran across a book on kindle that I think could work. Has anyone >>>>> had success with the kindle PC software? >>>>> >>>>> Aimee >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org >>> >>> Disclaimer >>> >>> The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:10:03 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:10:03 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <57b5c1d7.8d346b0a.d2c1e.34f5@mx.google.com> Hi Emma welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I am also blind and in college. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:10:04 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:10:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] A question about something my rehab counselor said Message-ID: <57b5c1d8.8d346b0a.d2c1e.34f6@mx.google.com> Hi Sami thanks for your message. When I first started college I took two classes during my first semester just so I could get used to the routine. My rehab counselor also said that I should take four classes one semester. I would send an email to your rehab counselor explaining why you don't want to drop any classes. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:10:11 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:10:11 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting Feedback on Graded Work Message-ID: <57b5c1df.8d346b0a.d2c1e.34fb@mx.google.com> Hi Vejas thanks for your message. When I receive graded work I can read the comments right from the web page. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:10:08 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:10:08 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Book help for college Message-ID: <57b5c1dc.8d346b0a.d2c1e.34f9@mx.google.com> Hi Emma thanks for your message. My Student Accessibility Services office puts each of my books on a Usb thumb drive for me. They are PDF files that I can read using my Apex. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:10:12 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:10:12 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Logistics When Traveling Independently on an airplane Message-ID: <57b5c1e0.8d346b0a.d2c1e.34fc@mx.google.com> Hi Vejas thanks for your message. Whenever I travel I put my backpack under the seat in front of me. I keep my folding cane in the seat pocket in front of me. I never use the overhead bins because I don't carry a suitcase. From discoduck221 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:57:18 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 10:57:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: The Djd Invasion Returns For A Special Event On KJSC Radio Message-ID: As you're prepping for school, aking sure all your tech stuff works and all, if you want a little more fun before you have to crack open the books, then the below message is for you: Hi All! Remember the fun nights of The Djd Invasion. The random sets, the comedy, the liveliness of the calls? Well, you get some of the invasion magic tonight in a special KJSC Radio event. Tonight, at 8 PM eastern, Djd brings you a special Djd Invasion show in the old Djd Invasion style! And, if you like the invasion and really want it back, let me know, and maybe The Djd Invasion will return from the Dead! Hear some random but upbeat music, a cash it or trash it track (remember those?) your requests of course and more! During the show, get in touch via twitter at kjscradio Via skype at KJSC.radio or via telephone at 602-399-7279 And of course, you can start searching my music library from 4 PM eastern approximately til the start of the show for those songs you want at http://djdrocks.online/requests And of course, come listen at http://onj.me/kjscradio to listen on the web, or use our radio player and other options at http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php Either, tell the world and join us for the invasion magic that was, and could be again! >From David Dunphy From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 20:02:47 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 13:02:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Message-ID: Hello All, I know this is a super old thread, but I just found it and wanted to provide my perspective on this issue. Apologies if I'm stepping on anyone's toes or whatever else. I'm not trying to offend or anger anyone here. Warning: This is really long. Elizabeth, I totally understand your struggle. I'm sure most everyone on this list does. We all struggle with classes, instructors, and technology. I'm assuming from the messages that you may have become blind later in life, which makes things harder because you have to learn a whole new way of life... Pretty much. So, props for getting through that like a champ. Blindness tech... It's so hard to master. Just when you think you've got it, there's a new update, and suddenly you're stumbling around in the dark. I hate the NVDA voice so much... It makes my skin crawl. Sorry folks. I like Eloquence, which is the robo-voice used for JAWS. It's really clear and easy to understand. If you youtube search it, you can find a video with a link to download a free version. Don't ask whether it's legal or not... I don't know, but it hasn't been removed, so I'm assuming that it's... Legal enough. Keep the speed nice and real slow until you get used to it, then you can speed it up. If you want JAWS, which has some benefits over NVDA and is in other ways inferior, your local DOR should cover that. One thing about being blind... It's really hard to be blind and inflexible... It just doesn't work. Flexibility is hard especially when you're used to having things a certain way, so I totally get it. I've always been a public mainstream student, and I'm an academic perfectionist, so life is hard when, say, you don't have an AP Chem book for an entire year. Yes, that pretty much happened, though I did get the whole book at the end of the year, and I was given a few chapters after we already covered the material. Fun stuff, right? Basically, I'm saying that you'll find yourself in a much better mentality if you can practice flexibility. Yes, it's hard. Took me two years when I was little to be okay with making a few mistakes here and there. Now I've learned to cope with B's on math tests without totally losing it LOL. (Yeah, my perfectionism is that bad.) Training centers... They will help you a lot. A whole lot, in fact. However, perfection is hugely difficult to achieve. Take it from someone who really knows. There are a lot of adaptive techniques that you'll have to learn to be successful in life as a blind person. If I were you, I'd look into this because oftentimes, your state DOR will cover most or all of the expenses... Free room and board and training for an extended period of time is definitely something to be very thankful for. However, it takes two to tango, as they say. You have to be willing and receptive to all the stuff they show you, and you have to realize that "training center" does not mean "miracle". Just because you go to a center does not mean you're suddenly the master of all things blindness. Some things they show you will not work for you. You will get cut, burned, bruised, and scraped, and it will hurt. You just have to get used to it and learn from every experience you have, both good and bad, so that you can make your next experience that much better. You also have to find what works for you. It's a lot of trial and error, just like everything else in life. The secret to anything: practice, practice, practice. And patience, which I'm so ridiculously bad at. A note about blindness-alternative techniques: They will help you tremendously. All this technology stuff, the training centers, the advice we're trying to give you--it's all supposed to help you. You can choose to ignore everything and carve out your own path to success, and if you attain success you're all the more awesome for it. But at least consider what we're trying to help you with. Daily living skills are hard to learn and so incredibly important. I know this because I am completely incapable of anything that isn't purely cerebral. I cannot do laundry, I cannot cook or wash dishes, I cannot clean the bathroom. My parents become frustrated because of this, but they are the ones who are incredibly unsupportive of me learning these things, as in, they literally won't let me learn these things. I will go to college... And thereafter I will be scrambling to learn about how to get around life because the truth of the matter is that I, don't, know, anything. My parents don't think these skills are important, but I don't want people always cooking and cleaning for me, and I certainly don't want people looking at every article of clothing I wear. Awkward, much? From what I can tell, you're the same way. Independence is a great thing, but you have to learn how to be independently blind before you can be good at it. Hopefully that makes sense. One last thing: attitude. A great attitude makes all the difference. Don't limit yourself by saying you can't do something because if you're innovative enough, you can pretty much do anything. Maybe try not to be a surgeon though, that would be kind of hard as a blind person. Don't get down on yourself because you failed at something once. That's me all the time, and it sucks. You have to get back out there and struggle until you feel comfortable with stuff. The more struggle, the better you'll feel ultimately. Don't let something be the master of you... So many people of all visual acuity levels let stuff get the better of them. It's sad and pathetic because people limit themselves by doing that. Don't be one of those people. Don't limit yourself, and certainly don't let others limit you. Prove all the haters wrong, especially if said hater is yourself. That's what I'm always doing, and trust me, it feels really awesome to be able to quietly show people (and myself) that I actually can do stuff. You don't have to flaunt your skills to get satisfaction either. If people realize that you're capable, you've successfully kicked their doubt in the butt. Keep that in mind. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:23:22 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 15:23:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Message-ID: Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:58:16 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 22:58:16 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Cricket, As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Thu Aug 18 23:01:40 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:01:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Cricket, Sorry, I meant to respond to your last message and not this one. I am not quite sure why it sent my response to this message and not the previous one. Sorry for the mistake. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 23:13:27 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:13:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Elizabeth, I can respect that, and will not say another word after this message. None of what anyone was trying to tell you was remotely negative, judgmental, or harsh. We're all just trying to give as some friendly advice. Like I said in my last message, what you do with it and how you perceive it is totally up to you. None of us are criticizing you. It's not really our place to judge you either, and we're not doing that. In fact, a lot of us understand what you're going through, and are just trying to help. Keep that in mind. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/18/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Cricket, > > Sorry, I meant to respond to your last message and not this one. I am not > quite sure why it sent my response to this message and not the previous one. > Sorry for the mistake. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Cricket Bidleman > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello All, > > Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. > We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology > and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I > already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm > such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! > > That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting > stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including > sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind > people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. > Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you > want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people > working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we > want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send > you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. > (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We > want everyone else to be surprised. > > Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be > interested. I look forward to hearing from you! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 00:01:36 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:01:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please stop! You are hurting me! Please stop! -----Original Message----- From: Cricket Bidleman [mailto:cricketbidleman at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 7:13 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello Elizabeth, I can respect that, and will not say another word after this message. None of what anyone was trying to tell you was remotely negative, judgmental, or harsh. We're all just trying to give as some friendly advice. Like I said in my last message, what you do with it and how you perceive it is totally up to you. None of us are criticizing you. It's not really our place to judge you either, and we're not doing that. In fact, a lot of us understand what you're going through, and are just trying to help. Keep that in mind. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/18/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Cricket, > > Sorry, I meant to respond to your last message and not this one. I am > not quite sure why it sent my response to this message and not the previous one. > Sorry for the mistake. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Cricket Bidleman > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello All, > > Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. > We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on > technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked > with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology > stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! > > That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be > collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind > students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people > who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. > Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories > you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted > people working with blind people? Any other form of personal > testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if > you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. > (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire > list! We want everyone else to be surprised. > > Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be > interested. I look forward to hearing from you! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40 > gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 00:14:49 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 17:14:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog Testimonials Message-ID: Hello All, I'm re-posting this because the previous message subject is no longer relevant, but the content still is. This is an exact copy of my other message. Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 00:38:49 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:38:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> Elizabeth, I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello Cricket, As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 00:51:53 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:51:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email thread. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Elizabeth, I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello Cricket, As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 00:55:13 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:55:13 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> References: , <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: All, This is not the forum to be doing this in. We are to be respectful to others and their opinions. This thread was started for legitimate purposes and this is not the intended use. I will not ask again. This needs to stop now. Thanks Chelsea Peahl List moderator > On Aug 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > > Elizabeth, > I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You > need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your > feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I > know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a > while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened > to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I > would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or > love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up > it's time to be an adult sweetheart. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Blind Faith Project > CEO Linson Productions > > Aaron Linson > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth > Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello Cricket, > > As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully > asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not > believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that > it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I > really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity > that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing > with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket > Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Cricket Bidleman > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello All, > > Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. > We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology > and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I > already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm > such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! > > That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting > stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including > sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind > people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. > Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you > want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people > working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we > want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send > you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. > (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We > want everyone else to be surprised. > > Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be > interested. I look forward to hearing from you! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 01:00:17 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:00:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> I will stop posting to this particular thread after I say this. If you cannot handle constructive criticism then do not ask for help from people more than willing to give helpful suggestions and opinions on what they have had success with. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email thread. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Elizabeth, I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello Cricket, As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 01:03:13 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 18:03:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chelsea, Can you please just delete the thread? I never intended for it to go in that direction, because arguments are pretty much the opposite of success. I will take complete responsibility for the message I sent earlier, though I did not think it would have that many consequences. I apologize for all of the trouble, and if you think it's wise I can send Elizabeth an apology as well. Besides, I already reposted the message with a different subject, so I don't care if this one is deleted. Thanks so much for dealing with this. Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/18/16, chelsea peahl via NABS-L wrote: > All, > This is not the forum to be doing this in. We are to be respectful to others > and their opinions. This thread was started for legitimate purposes and this > is not the intended use. I will not ask again. This needs to stop now. > Thanks > > Chelsea Peahl > List moderator > >> On Aug 18, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Elizabeth, >> I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You >> need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your >> feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I >> know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for >> a >> while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had >> listened >> to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I >> would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or >> love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow >> up >> it's time to be an adult sweetheart. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully >> asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not >> believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact >> that >> it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I >> really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and >> negativity >> that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be >> dealing >> with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >> Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello All, >> >> Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. >> We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on >> technology >> and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. >> I >> already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm >> such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! >> >> That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be >> collecting >> stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including >> sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other >> blind >> people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. >> Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you >> want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people >> working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, >> we >> want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll >> send >> you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. >> (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! >> We >> want everyone else to be surprised. >> >> Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be >> interested. I look forward to hearing from you! >> >> Best, >> Cricket X. Bidleman >> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Fri Aug 19 01:10:55 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:10:55 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Please stop! You are hurting me! Please stop! -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:00 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories I will stop posting to this particular thread after I say this. If you cannot handle constructive criticism then do not ask for help from people more than willing to give helpful suggestions and opinions on what they have had success with. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email thread. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Aaron Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Elizabeth, I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Blind Faith Project CEO Linson Productions Aaron Linson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello Cricket, As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Cricket Bidleman Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories Hello All, Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Fri Aug 19 02:35:07 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 21:35:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello cricket, I really like what you were doing, writing about student success! I think it's really wonderful, and I'm really excited to read about it! Will you let us all know when the blog is available to read? :-) I am super looking forward to this! Thank you! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Please stop! You are hurting me! Please stop! > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:00 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Aaron > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > I will stop posting to this particular thread after I say this. If you cannot handle constructive criticism then do not ask for help from people more than willing to give helpful suggestions and opinions on what they have had success with. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Blind Faith Project > CEO Linson Productions > > Aaron Linson > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email thread. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: Aaron > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Elizabeth, > I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Blind Faith Project > CEO Linson Productions > > Aaron Linson > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello Cricket, > > As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity right now. > > Thanks, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Cricket Bidleman > Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories > > Hello All, > > Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. > We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so stay tuned! > > That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. > Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. > (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. > > Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be interested. I look forward to hearing from you! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 02:55:14 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:55:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Kennedy, Congrats on your scholarship! I can't take credit for that idea because it wasn't mine LOL. I'm part of the communications committee, which is chaired by Bryan Duarte. bjduarte at asu.edu Yes, someone (maybe me) will splash the blog entries all over this email list and other places as they come out. So excited that this is well-received. Thanks! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/18/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hello cricket, > > I really like what you were doing, writing about student success! I think > it's really wonderful, and I'm really excited to read about it! Will you let > us all know when the blog is available to read? :-) I am super looking > forward to this! > > Thank you! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Please stop! You are hurting me! Please stop! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Aaron >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> I will stop posting to this particular thread after I say this. If you >> cannot handle constructive criticism then do not ask for help from people >> more than willing to give helpful suggestions and opinions on what they >> have had success with. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for >> this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email >> thread. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Aaron >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Elizabeth, >> I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You >> need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your >> feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I >> know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for >> a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had >> listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure >> where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great >> family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way >> possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully >> asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not >> believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that >> it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I >> really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and >> negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place >> to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity >> right now. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >> Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello All, >> >> Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. >> We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on >> technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with >> a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, >> but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so >> stay tuned! >> >> That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be >> collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students >> (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with >> other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. >> Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you >> want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people >> working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, >> we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll >> send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. >> (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We >> want everyone else to be surprised. >> >> Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be >> interested. I look forward to hearing from you! >> >> Best, >> Cricket X. Bidleman >> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:28:31 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 23:28:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <156a0d7c718.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Cricket, Do you still need writers? Would love to help. Aaron From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:41:52 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 20:41:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: <156a0d7c718.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> <156a0d7c718.27a5.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: We always need writers! :) I'll have to start putting a list together. Send me an email INDIVIDUALLY, OFF LIST if you're interested. That goes for anyone. On 8/18/16, Aaron via NABS-L wrote: > Cricket, > Do you still need writers? Would love to help. > Aaron > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 13:56:44 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:56:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog Testimonials In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <434DC549-E161-4103-B484-15ED870D0D08@gmail.com> I would like in on the project, Cricket. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello All, > > I'm re-posting this because the previous message subject is no longer > relevant, but the content still is. This is an exact copy of my other > message. > > Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. > We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on > technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked > with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology > stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as > surprises, so stay tuned! > > That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be > collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind > students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people > who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. > Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories > you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted > people working with blind people? Any other form of personal > testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if > you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you > to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply > to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. > > Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be > interested. I look forward to hearing from you! > > Best, > Cricket X. Bidleman > NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 14:43:06 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 07:43:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Blog Testimonials In-Reply-To: <434DC549-E161-4103-B484-15ED870D0D08@gmail.com> References: <434DC549-E161-4103-B484-15ED870D0D08@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello All, Just a reminder to not respond with one line messages. Clutters everyone's inboxes. Also, I'm going to ask again that if you're interested in this project, send me an email INDIVIDUALLY, OFF LIST. Thanks! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant On 8/19/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > I would like in on the project, Cricket. > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a > division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:14 PM, Cricket Bidleman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> I'm re-posting this because the previous message subject is no longer >> relevant, but the content still is. This is an exact copy of my other >> message. >> >> Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. >> We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on >> technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked >> with a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology >> stuff, but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as >> surprises, so stay tuned! >> >> That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be >> collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind >> students (including sighted students), other blind people, and people >> who work with other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. >> Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories >> you want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted >> people working with blind people? Any other form of personal >> testimonial? If so, we want to hear from you! Send me an email if >> you're interested, and I'll send you the guidelines and work with you >> to make it happen. (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply >> to the entire list! We want everyone else to be surprised. >> >> Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be >> interested. I look forward to hearing from you! >> >> Best, >> Cricket X. Bidleman >> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 15:09:27 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 08:09:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Kennedy, Bryan Duarte, the committee chair, has the info on guidelines and stuff. Can you send him an email? bjduarte at asu.edu Thanks! On 8/18/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hello cricket, > > I really like what you were doing, writing about student success! I think > it's really wonderful, and I'm really excited to read about it! Will you let > us all know when the blog is available to read? :-) I am super looking > forward to this! > > Thank you! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 18, 2016, at 8:10 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Please stop! You are hurting me! Please stop! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 9:00 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Aaron >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> I will stop posting to this particular thread after I say this. If you >> cannot handle constructive criticism then do not ask for help from people >> more than willing to give helpful suggestions and opinions on what they >> have had success with. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Please stop harassing me on this email list! I have respectfully asked for >> this message thread to discontinue. . So please stop posting to this email >> thread. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 8:39 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> >> Cc: Aaron >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Elizabeth, >> I understand where you care coming from. However, the world will not. You >> need to get yourself together suck it up, and move on. If you get your >> feelings hurt by a little criticism then you will not get far. Trust me I >> know. I was told that I was not going to go to college and believed it for >> a while. Now, I am about to graduate in the spring of 2017. If I had >> listened to those people who told me that I couldn't do it I am not sure >> where I would be right now. Not married to a wonderful wife, and great >> family or love what I am doing as my career. Again, in the nicest way >> possible grow up it's time to be an adult sweetheart. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> CEO Linson Productions >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth >> Mohnke via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:58 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello Cricket, >> >> As the person who created this message thread, I believe I respectfully >> asked for this message thread to be closed quite some time ago. I do not >> believe this message thread should be brought up again given the fact that >> it was rather controversial when it was originally posted. Furthermore, I >> really do not appreciate all the harsh criticism, judgement, and >> negativity that is found in this message. I am just not in a good place >> to be dealing with a lot of harsh criticism, judgement, and negativity >> right now. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cricket >> Bidleman via NABS-L >> Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2016 6:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Cricket Bidleman >> Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories >> >> Hello All, >> >> Cricket Bidleman here. I'm working with the communications committee. >> We're trying to put together a blog. We want one entry a month on >> technology and one per month from a student or someone who has worked with >> a student. I already have some things lined up for the technology stuff, >> but since I'm such a nice person, I'm going to save them as surprises, so >> stay tuned! >> >> That brings me to the testimonial portion of the blog. I will be >> collecting stuff from blind students, people who work with blind students >> (including sighted students), other blind people, and people who work with >> other blind people. Make sense? Hopefully it does. >> Anyway, we want stuff from students. Got any awesome success stories you >> want to share? Advice for other blind people? Advice for sighted people >> working with blind people? Any other form of personal testimonial? If so, >> we want to hear from you! Send me an email if you're interested, and I'll >> send you the guidelines and work with you to make it happen. >> (cricketbidleman at gmail.com). Do not send your reply to the entire list! We >> want everyone else to be surprised. >> >> Thanks so much! Also, share this with anyone who you think might be >> interested. I look forward to hearing from you! >> >> Best, >> Cricket X. Bidleman >> NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cricketbidleman%40gmail.com > From jfranks at nfbtx.org Fri Aug 19 15:40:41 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 10:40:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your assistance will be helpful Message-ID: Greetings Nabs, I recent downloaded an EPub book from iuniverse for the first time. I uploaded the book to iTunes and connected my iDevices. However, I cannot find the book on my devices. Where would I go to look for it? Thanks Jonathan Franks BSW Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:23:06 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:23:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Your assistance will be helpful In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is probably in iCloud or you need to check whether books are being synced to your device in iTunes. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: > > Greetings Nabs, > I recent downloaded an EPub book from iuniverse for the first time. > I uploaded the book to iTunes and connected my iDevices. > > However, I cannot find the book on my devices. Where would I go to look for it? > > Thanks > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Treasurer > Texas Association of Blind Students > > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:34:30 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:34:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Your assistance will be helpful In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <022f01d1fa37$901f9830$b05ec890$@gmail.com> Hello Jonathan, It's probably in your iBooks library. That's where epub files go on my iPhone, at least. Hope this is helpful. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 12:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Your assistance will be helpful It is probably in iCloud or you need to check whether books are being synced to your device in iTunes. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: > > Greetings Nabs, > I recent downloaded an EPub book from iuniverse for the first time. > I uploaded the book to iTunes and connected my iDevices. > > However, I cannot find the book on my devices. Where would I go to look for it? > > Thanks > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Treasurer > Texas Association of Blind Students > > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From cricketbidleman at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:49:14 2016 From: cricketbidleman at gmail.com (Cricket Bidleman) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 09:49:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] CABS Board Meeting Updated Time Message-ID: Hello All, I just wanted to let you know that the time of the CABS board meeting has been changed. It will still be on Sunday, August 28, but will be at 5:00 PM Pacific Standard Time. If you're a student from California, we hope to see you there! Best, Cricket X. Bidleman NCS Pearson, Blindness and Accessibility Consultant From jfranks at nfbtx.org Fri Aug 19 17:15:33 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:15:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your assistance will be helpful In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah I remember having to do that when making my own ringtones. I'll try that when I get home. Thank you both Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > It is probably in iCloud or you need to check whether books are being synced to your device in iTunes. > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > >> On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:40 AM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Greetings Nabs, >> I recent downloaded an EPub book from iuniverse for the first time. >> I uploaded the book to iTunes and connected my iDevices. >> >> However, I cannot find the book on my devices. Where would I go to look for it? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jonathan Franks BSW >> Treasurer >> Texas Association of Blind Students >> >> >> -- >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create >> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life >> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 01:30:33 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 21:30:33 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] An Awesome Recorder app for school and meetings! Message-ID: <224EEA5E-99A3-4E1D-AFEA-8E75FCC03697@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that one of my friend share with me this awesome app call Pocket Recorder. This is awesome! This appe will definitely will help for school and also for whatever recording that you want to do. Perhaps here are many who need to record your classes for school, so this definitely will help with your school and your classes! It is recommended to have a dropbox account so you can link your recording. The recorder creates it's own app call apps, where it uploads the recording automatically to dropbox. Then if you want you can move that recording to the specific folder that you created on dropbox. But this recorder is not free though! It cost 10 dollars, but it is definitely accessible with Voiceover guys! I just bought it today,and I did not play so much with it, but later tonight or tomorrow I wil record a sample! Dropbox app is free by the way. I will paste the link of the pocket recorder app below! And if you need some help in how to use dropbox feel free to contact me in private. I have two recordings about how the app looks, and how to use dropbox after you create teh dropbox account. The easy very easy way to create a dropbox account is from an iphone, iPad,and iPod touch and downloading the dropbox app. So now the link of the Pocket recorder app will be below! Hope this helps anyone! Thanks and God bless!! Pocket Recorder - Accessible Audio Recorder by Sweetman Systems by Andrew Roberts https://appsto.re/us/riVrbb.i Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 06:05:54 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 23:05:54 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] TVI in high schools Message-ID: Hi guys, I was wondering if it is mandatory for every school district to have a TVI. Basically, one of my friends is on an exchange program to the US, and is attending a high school in Ohio. He's the only blind student there, and apparently, there are no TVIs. He's facing some issues at school, and I was wondering if something could be done about it. Can the school request a TVI to help him out? Best, -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From awildheir at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 11:36:44 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:36:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] An Awesome Recorder app for school and meetings! In-Reply-To: <224EEA5E-99A3-4E1D-AFEA-8E75FCC03697@gmail.com> References: <224EEA5E-99A3-4E1D-AFEA-8E75FCC03697@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DFDB439-8629-4615-B0C5-22F0AF8A0440@gmail.com> Can you type in the app along with the recording? If you can does it link the text you type to the timestamp in the recording? Also I was curious can you bookmark spots in the recording as it is recording for future reference? I have been looking for an app such as this. I am hopeful that the one you speak of might be the very one I have been looking for. Aimrrmee Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 19, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Helga Schreiber via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that one of my friend share with me this awesome app call Pocket Recorder. This is awesome! This appe will definitely will help for school and also for whatever recording that you want to do. Perhaps here are many who need to record your classes for school, so this definitely will help with your school and your classes! It is recommended to have a dropbox account so you can link your recording. The recorder creates it's own app call apps, where it uploads the recording automatically to dropbox. Then if you want you can move that recording to the specific folder that you created on dropbox. But this recorder is not free though! It cost 10 dollars, but it is definitely accessible with Voiceover guys! I just bought it today,and I did not play so much with it, but later tonight or tomorrow I wil record a sample! Dropbox app is free by the way. I will paste the link of the pocket recorder app below! And if you need some help in how to use dropbox feel free to contact me in private. I have two recordings about how the app looks, and how to use dropbox after you create teh dropbox account. The easy very easy way to create a dropbox account is from an iphone, iPad,and iPod touch and downloading the dropbox app. So now the link of the Pocket recorder app will be below! Hope this helps anyone! Thanks and God bless!! > Pocket Recorder - Accessible Audio Recorder by Sweetman Systems by Andrew Roberts > https://appsto.re/us/riVrbb.i > > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Aug 20 13:34:44 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 09:34:44 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] TVI in high schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98E9E8DF-8523-4B18-A626-8067636688A6@icloud.com> Hi, I know of a TVI who is blind and lives in Ohio. The school district might be able to contract with her. Her website is denningweb.com , and you can contact her through the website. Hope this helps. Mikayla > On Aug 20, 2016, at 2:05 AM, Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I was wondering if it is mandatory for every school district to have a > TVI. Basically, one of my friends is on an exchange program to the US, > and is attending a high school in Ohio. He's the only blind student > there, and apparently, there are no TVIs. He's facing some issues at > school, and I was wondering if something could be done about it. Can > the school request a TVI to help him out? > > Best, > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 17:48:47 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 11:48:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] TVI in high schools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <900C00EF-51FC-42D3-8E96-9E8FC3255979@gmail.com> Here is a resource list for Ohio. I'm sure one of these can help somehow. https://nfb.org/resources-ohio Anna E Givens > On Aug 20, 2016, at 12:05 AM, Kartik Sawhney via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi guys, > > I was wondering if it is mandatory for every school district to have a > TVI. Basically, one of my friends is on an exchange program to the US, > and is attending a high school in Ohio. He's the only blind student > there, and apparently, there are no TVIs. He's facing some issues at > school, and I was wondering if something could be done about it. Can > the school request a TVI to help him out? > > Best, > -- > -Kartik Sawhney, > +1-(510) 766-3419 > linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 15:42:18 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 11:42:18 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning jaws resources? Message-ID: <68EDB3D8-93EF-4EB3-AF43-6EE2A78FA68E@gmail.com> Dear everyone, Do you know of resources for learning jaws my duel computer with mac and jaws is running windows on part of the hard drive and I never used jaws only voiceover. Thank you, Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From ligne14 at verizon.net Mon Aug 22 18:43:46 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:43:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with emails on my BrailleNote Apex Message-ID: <0OCB00HK1QPI5N10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, I'm having a rather major issue with receiving my emails on my Apex. I've been out of town for about three weeks and had very limited access to the internet. As a result, when I came back home the other day, I had about 210 emails waiting for me to download. When I try to do this, it does so successfully at first, but then When I get to about the 80 to 100 mark, I start getting a message: "error receiving email: error 10054" (or maybe just 1054, I can't remember exactly. When I press Space with H to get help, the only commands listed are: to retry, press R and to exit, press space with E. When I retry with R, the Apex doesn't do anything and just keeps showing the same error message, and when I exit, it just stops downloading, without it even asking me if I want to continue downloading or hanging up immediately. What do you guys suggest I do to solve this problem? By the way, just in case you're wondering, I'll still be able to read your replies, using my iPhone. Also, when replying, I'm kindly asking all of you to please not say that I should give up my Apex. I already know that there are better products out there, but the problem is that I'll be starting college in two weeks, so I therefore don't have enough time to request a new notetaker from my state's rehab agency. I may get one next year or the year after, but at this point, I can only use my Apex right now. I hope you guys can assist me in this problem and that you have suggestions on what I can do to solve it before I call Humanware's Technical Support team. Thanks and, for those who have already started moving into college, I hope you enjoy the start to your semester. Thanks again, Sami From jldail13 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 18:49:43 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 14:49:43 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with emails on my BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: <0OCB00HK1QPI5N10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OCB00HK1QPI5N10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi, Have you tried a normal reset; hold down the reset button for about 10 seconds? That should fix it, but if it doesn’t, try a 456 reset. That’s the same as the first, but hold down dots 456 until you hear the start-up chime, then rlease dots 456. I hope this helps. On 8/22/16, 2:43 PM, "NABS-L on behalf of Sami Osborne via NABS-L" wrote: Hi all, I'm having a rather major issue with receiving my emails on my Apex. I've been out of town for about three weeks and had very limited access to the internet. As a result, when I came back home the other day, I had about 210 emails waiting for me to download. When I try to do this, it does so successfully at first, but then When I get to about the 80 to 100 mark, I start getting a message: "error receiving email: error 10054" (or maybe just 1054, I can't remember exactly. When I press Space with H to get help, the only commands listed are: to retry, press R and to exit, press space with E. When I retry with R, the Apex doesn't do anything and just keeps showing the same error message, and when I exit, it just stops downloading, without it even asking me if I want to continue downloading or hanging up immediately. What do you guys suggest I do to solve this problem? By the way, just in case you're wondering, I'll still be able to read your replies, using my iPhone. Also, when replying, I'm kindly asking all of you to please not say that I should give up my Apex. I already know that there are better products out there, but the problem is that I'll be starting college in two weeks, so I therefore don't have enough time to request a new notetaker from my state's rehab agency. I may get one next year or the year after, but at this point, I can only use my Apex right now. I hope you guys can assist me in this problem and that you have suggestions on what I can do to solve it before I call Humanware's Technical Support team. Thanks and, for those who have already started moving into college, I hope you enjoy the start to your semester. Thanks again, Sami _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From Amason at nfb.org Mon Aug 22 19:31:52 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:31:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with emails on my BrailleNote Apex In-Reply-To: <0OCB00HK1QPI5N10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0OCB00HK1QPI5N10@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8114D064-F796-4B12-9FE7-7CAAAA5AA82D@nfb.org> I'm guessing it's the sheer volume of email that is choking the device. If the resets don't help, you might prune things a bit via your phone before trying the download operation again. Good luck Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm having a rather major issue with receiving my emails on my Apex. I've been out of town for about three weeks and had very limited access to the internet. As a result, when I came back home the other day, I had about 210 emails waiting for me to download. When I try to do this, it does so successfully at first, but then When I get to about the 80 to 100 mark, I start getting a message: "error receiving email: error 10054" (or maybe just 1054, I can't remember exactly. When I press Space with H to get help, the only commands listed are: to retry, press R and to exit, press space with E. When I retry with R, the Apex doesn't do anything and just keeps showing the same error message, and when I exit, it just stops downloading, without it even asking me if I want to continue downloading or hanging up immediately. What do you guys suggest I do to solve this problem? By the way, just in case you're wondering, I'll still be able to read your replies, using my iPhone. > > Also, when replying, I'm kindly asking all of you to please not say that I should give up my Apex. I already know that there are better products out there, but the problem is that I'll be starting college in two weeks, so I therefore don't have enough time to request a new notetaker from my state's rehab agency. I may get one next year or the year after, but at this point, I can only use my Apex right now. > > I hope you guys can assist me in this problem and that you have suggestions on what I can do to solve it before I call Humanware's Technical Support team. > > Thanks and, for those who have already started moving into college, I hope you enjoy the start to your semester. > > Thanks again, > > Sami > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From Amason at nfb.org Mon Aug 22 19:53:19 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:53:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning jaws resources? In-Reply-To: <68EDB3D8-93EF-4EB3-AF43-6EE2A78FA68E@gmail.com> References: <68EDB3D8-93EF-4EB3-AF43-6EE2A78FA68E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Emma, There are a number of great resources for learning JAWS. Freedom Scientific does offer paid training bundles, but these can be quite pricy. They can be purchased from the Independence Market, or from Freedom themselves. It's a pretty complete, getting up and started from scratch package if that is what you need, or want. They are in audio Daisy format. There are also a number of low cost/no cost options that I would start with, to see if they get you where you need to be. 1. The help menu is a wealth of resources. Along with access to the software's manual, which is quite complete, it also contains a option for "Training"." The training option will take you into the FS Reader Daisy player, where you can review and get acces to a number of Audio/Text daisy training materials. You can also visit the online training resources in the help menu to go through the interactive web usage tutorial (surf's Up), and access information about Freedom's webinar, some of which are free, and others have some cost. In Jaws itself, to access the help menu, you can use the JAWS modifier and J to open the menus, and navigate to help, like you would with any other application. You can also use your JAWS key and the number one above the Q to turn on Keyboard help mode, (press that combo again to turn it off, and insert or capslock (Jaws modifiers) plus space, followed by J will let you into a neat dialog where you an type keywords about what you want to do, and get context sensitive help. Hope that helps. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 22, 2016 11:42 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] Learning jaws resources? Dear everyone, Do you know of resources for learning jaws my duel computer with mac and jaws is running windows on part of the hard drive and I never used jaws only voiceover. Thank you, Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 20:06:35 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:06:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with emails on my BrailleNote Apex Message-ID: <57bb5b83.d71f810a.5319f.5abb@mx.google.com> Hi Sami, I would suggest starting the download again and then exiting a couple e-mails earlier than the problem started last time. It will ask you whether you want to exit immediately or after the current operation, and you want to complete the current operation. If you do that, the next time you will download it will start from there rather than the beginning. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Sami Osborne via NABS-L I think so. They should be able to hire a TVI to braille his assignments and transcribe them into print for his sighted teachers. From emitchell927 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 00:21:17 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 20:21:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings Message-ID: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> If I go to school near Washington, D.C. Nw what nfb chapter should I go to? Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From jfranks at nfbtx.org Tue Aug 23 01:03:20 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 20:03:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings In-Reply-To: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> References: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> Message-ID: <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> I believe there are two chapters in the Washington DC area but I could be wrong. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > If I go to school near Washington, D.C. Nw what nfb chapter should I go to? > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org From annajee82 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 01:26:53 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:26:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings In-Reply-To: <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> References: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> Message-ID: Look on nfb.org to find local chapters and decide which works best for you. Let us know if you have any other questions. Anna E Givens > On Aug 22, 2016, at 7:03 PM, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: > > I believe there are two chapters in the Washington DC area but I could be wrong. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 22, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> If I go to school near Washington, D.C. Nw what nfb chapter should I go to? >> >> Emma >> Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind >> Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From mjc59 at comcast.net Tue Aug 23 01:31:44 2016 From: mjc59 at comcast.net (mjc59 at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 01:31:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings In-Reply-To: <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> References: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> Message-ID: <392150212.3051425.1471915904132.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu Tue Aug 23 08:37:28 2016 From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 04:37:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings In-Reply-To: <392150212.3051425.1471915904132.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> References: <3781DFB1-471C-4241-A976-AB56640E6593@gmail.com> <61B44FFE-912B-4741-A76B-1A8F10BAE290@nfbtx.org> <392150212.3051425.1471915904132.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2F97890B-3E10-4759-9A2A-92C623F950C8@jd16.law.harvard.edu> Hey Emma, I'm Derek Manners and I work in NW DC and live in Arlington VA. I normally attend the Potomac Chapter of VA which is off the orange line metro stop, Virginia Square. It all depends on what you hope to get out of the chapter meeting. Feel free to message me off list. I'm the youth coordinator from Virginia and former NABS board member. Best regards Derek Manners Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2016, at 9:31 PM, Marci Carpenter via NABS-L wrote: > > Shawn Callaway- NFB D.C. President > 202-352-1511 > callaway.shawn at gmail. com > > There is a list of all state presidents in the NFB App. Click on "Fast Facts" > > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > From: Jonathan Franks via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Jonathan Franks > Sent: August 22, 2016 at 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Chapter meetings > > I believe there are two chapters in the Washington DC area but I could be wrong. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 22, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > > > If I go to school near Washington, D.C. Nw what nfb chapter should I go to? > > > > Emma > > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mjc59%40comcast.net > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 20:25:49 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 16:25:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question Message-ID: Hi all, I apologize that this is not exactly typical conversation material for this list, but since I use Apple Music for academic purposes as well as for pleasure I'm hoping someone might be able to answer my question. Sometimes when I create playlists in apple music, they'll be good for a while but then randomly all the songs in the playlist will disappear. I use playlists regularly when putting together recorded song material for my music therapy practicum sessions, so I'm scared of this eventually happening when I need to have the playlist there for a session. It has not happened at a crucial time like that yet, but I never want to end up in that situation if I can help it. I did try to look online on my own first but was not having much luck finding answers. Additionally, this link seemed to be helpful but for some reason neither IE nor Firefox was able to load it. http://forums.imore.com/apple-music/336609-playlists-disappeared-apple-music-remaining-lists-have-no-songs-wont-play-itunes-fine.html Is there something I should be doing to make the playlist retain the songs I put on it, or do they just disappear after a certain point? My initial impression of the playlists was that they'd be there for as long as I had the playlist, and that capability was part of what I am paying for. Since I use several recorded songs a week and would otherwise need to download them all Apple Music with the student discount actually ends up saving me money, but not having reliable playlists is a huge risk in what I'm trying to use the service for. Any feedback on this would be great. --- Kaiti Shelton From aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 22:15:17 2016 From: aloshamoorenfb at gmail.com (Alosha Moore) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:15:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68B1FA0D-12BB-4151-894A-EF07D51CB561@gmail.com> Good evening Katie: I'm not too familiar with Apple Music, but I strongly suggest using Spotify, Which enables one to save playlists as necessary and is accessible. I and my professional musician friends recommend it highly for using and formatting music that will be used consistently. Best, Alosha. > On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:25 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I apologize that this is not exactly typical conversation material for > this list, but since I use Apple Music for academic purposes as well > as for pleasure I'm hoping someone might be able to answer my > question. > > Sometimes when I create playlists in apple music, they'll be good for > a while but then randomly all the songs in the playlist will > disappear. I use playlists regularly when putting together recorded > song material for my music therapy practicum sessions, so I'm scared > of this eventually happening when I need to have the playlist there > for a session. It has not happened at a crucial time like that yet, > but I never want to end up in that situation if I can help it. > > I did try to look online on my own first but was not having much luck > finding answers. Additionally, this link seemed to be helpful but for > some reason neither IE nor Firefox was able to load it. > http://forums.imore.com/apple-music/336609-playlists-disappeared-apple-music-remaining-lists-have-no-songs-wont-play-itunes-fine.html > > Is there something I should be doing to make the playlist retain the > songs I put on it, or do they just disappear after a certain point? > My initial impression of the playlists was that they'd be there for as > long as I had the playlist, and that capability was part of what I am > paying for. Since I use several recorded songs a week and would > otherwise need to download them all Apple Music with the student > discount actually ends up saving me money, but not having reliable > playlists is a huge risk in what I'm trying to use the service for. > Any feedback on this would be great. > > --- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/aloshamoorenfb%40gmail.com From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Tue Aug 23 23:13:41 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 19:13:41 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1F64A067-EDB5-407E-A6D0-92CB5EC887D6@gmail.com> Hi Katie, I use Apple Music about every day. When you look up a song, click on it and then go to the button that says more. As one of the options it will say add to library. And it will be saved. There are other options in that same menu. If you have any more questions please feel free to let me know. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 23, 2016, at 16:25, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I apologize that this is not exactly typical conversation material for > this list, but since I use Apple Music for academic purposes as well > as for pleasure I'm hoping someone might be able to answer my > question. > > Sometimes when I create playlists in apple music, they'll be good for > a while but then randomly all the songs in the playlist will > disappear. I use playlists regularly when putting together recorded > song material for my music therapy practicum sessions, so I'm scared > of this eventually happening when I need to have the playlist there > for a session. It has not happened at a crucial time like that yet, > but I never want to end up in that situation if I can help it. > > I did try to look online on my own first but was not having much luck > finding answers. Additionally, this link seemed to be helpful but for > some reason neither IE nor Firefox was able to load it. > http://forums.imore.com/apple-music/336609-playlists-disappeared-apple-music-remaining-lists-have-no-songs-wont-play-itunes-fine.html > > Is there something I should be doing to make the playlist retain the > songs I put on it, or do they just disappear after a certain point? > My initial impression of the playlists was that they'd be there for as > long as I had the playlist, and that capability was part of what I am > paying for. Since I use several recorded songs a week and would > otherwise need to download them all Apple Music with the student > discount actually ends up saving me money, but not having reliable > playlists is a huge risk in what I'm trying to use the service for. > Any feedback on this would be great. > > --- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Fri Aug 19 01:05:05 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 01:05:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Student Success Stories In-Reply-To: <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> References: <00da01d1f9b2$0ee26cf0$2ca746d0$@gmail.com> <00e201d1f9b5$0e486f80$2ad94e80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Aaron and all, Thank you all for your input but this thread has been discontinued by the list moderators. Please do not respond to this thread any more or we will be forced to take further action to maintain the integrity of the list for all members. Thank you Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila On Aug 18, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Aaron via NABS-L > wrote: Aaron From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Fri Aug 19 18:33:02 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 18:33:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for August Message-ID: <0DECA845-BD3A-44B4-A787-DF3BE9C28B39@mainex1.asu.edu> Greetings NABS from your communications committee. This month we are proud to post a powerful story by Alosha Moore titled "Anyone can handle horses". We would like to thank Alosha for sharing his incredible story and encourage you all to read it. Remember every month we will be posting awesome stories to our blog so stay tuned. I would also like to invite you to send me your own unique experience or ideas for the next awesome NABS blog post. All submissions can be emailed to me directly at bjduarte at asu.edu. You can read Alosha's story by following the link below. http://nabslink.org/content/anyone-can-handle-horses Thank you, Bryan Duarte National Association of Blind Students Board member, Communications Committee chair Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Tue Aug 23 22:33:45 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 22:33:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question In-Reply-To: <68B1FA0D-12BB-4151-894A-EF07D51CB561@gmail.com> References: <68B1FA0D-12BB-4151-894A-EF07D51CB561@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2815CF13-B301-43E8-A202-48BF4F25F7F7@mainex1.asu.edu> Hello Kaiti, I have two questions and one solution to your problem. The first question is do you subscribe to Music Match in iTunes? If you do not then the playlists you create on one device might not automatically show up on another device automatically. The second question is have you checked that you are subscribed to the same Apple ID on all devices you use for iTunes music. I know this sounds obvious and all but from time to time you might use a new or different machine with iTunes and the ID associate with your Apple account might not be sharing music under the same ID. As for a solution to this problem I would first recommend checking the account you are signed into on all your devices in which you use Apple music. Next I would go to the device you first created playlists on and see if the playlist and music are still showing up there. Finally if it is not, navigate to the Store tab in iTunes and sign out, then sign back in to your Apple music account. Once this loads navigate to the preferences option in iTunes and find where the Apple Music check box is located and ensure that it is checked. It might help if you uncheck it then recheck it in a few seconds to get it to refresh. The last thing I would do if you are using an iDevice such as an iPhone, iPod, or iPad is to navigate to the Store option under settings and uncheck the Apple Music check box, then re-check it for the same reason. Give it a few minutes to update and after restarting your devices hopefully your music will appear. In summary Apple did make some updates to their Music features which did cause some people to lose playlists, podcasts, and music but Apple did fix this in most situations. As of right now there should be no reason you would be losing music from Apples end. I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to reach out off list and I will see what I can do. Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L > wrote: Kaiti From jldail13 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 13:09:51 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tech sales mailing list? Message-ID: Hi I am looking for a mailing list that discusses the sale of assistive technology items. I tried to subscribe to one, but it did not go through. Do you know of any good mailing lists that discuss the sale of assistive technology? The list I tried to subscribe to was blind BST, buy sell trade. Any other lists that discuss this topic would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, Jessica Sent from my iPhone From jldail13 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 13:09:51 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 09:09:51 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tech sales mailing list? Message-ID: Hi I am looking for a mailing list that discusses the sale of assistive technology items. I tried to subscribe to one, but it did not go through. Do you know of any good mailing lists that discuss the sale of assistive technology? The list I tried to subscribe to was blind BST, buy sell trade. Any other lists that discuss this topic would be greatly appriciated. Thanks, Jessica Sent from my iPhone From shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 16:40:17 2016 From: shannoncantan.nfb at gmail.com (Shannon Cantan) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:40:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] On behalf of the National Association of Blind Students; are you ready for some friendly competition? Message-ID: Aloha my Federation family, With August nearing its end, the National Association of Blind Students is excited to be hosting our first ever Fantasy Football League! Whether you are a seasonal football fan or are interested in learning about the great American sport, we invite each and every one of you to participate in a little friendly competition amongst our Federation family. Since some are more competitive than others, NABS has decided to split up leagues based on how serious you get when it comes to fantasy football. Now, you may be asking yourself: what is a fantasy football league? A fantasy football league normally consists of 12 teams (some are less or more). Before the NFL season starts, fantasy teams draft their own team, consisting of NFL players. A draft order is set by the league and all owners draft until their roster is filled. Each participant is considered a team owner. In this particular league, each team will consist of 1 quarterback, 2 running backs, 2 wide receivers, a flex position which could be a running back, a wide receiver, or a tight end, a defense/ special teams, and a kicker. As mentioned earlier, there will be 3 different divisions with no more than 12 players per league. The first division will require 10 dollars to get started, 3 dollars will go towards NABS as a participation fee, while the other 7 dollars will go into a pot for the end of the year. The second league will cost 20 dollars to participate, 5 dollars will be put towards NABS. The Last League which will be geared towards the more advanced Fantasy Football Player will cost 30 dollars, with 10 dollars going towards NABS. There will be only 1 winner in each League. With only 8-12 participants, your odds are looking pretty god in terms of walking away with a big wad of cash! NABS receives a little bit of cash, while the one winner takes home the rest of the money. We want as many people to participate, so invite friends, family, acquaintances, and Mail men, because this is not only limited to members of NABS. In fact, we welcome any and all individuals regardless of age to join in on the fun. If you know nothing about football but are intrigued by such an amazing sport, we will make sure you have a team and a shot at taking home that grand prize! The Final day to sign-up will be this Sunday, August 28. Our Draft will be scheduled for either the Following Monday, or Tuesday. So get involved with something cool, fun, and exciting. For your convenience, we take PayPal, Venmow, and credit card over the phone. Please reach out to me, the coordinator of this fundraiser, at ShannonCantan.NFB at gmail.com or by phone at 808-636-0129 and I will send you an invitation to the league, as well as get you to the right party to process your payment. Come on come all in this year’s National Association of Blind Students Fantasy Football league! Thank you in advance for your support for blind students and for your interest in the most incredible sport on earth. Indeed, football season is here! Shannon Cantan Co-Chair | Fundraising Committee National Association of Blind Students From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 16:57:48 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:57:48 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Mdabs fundraising idea Message-ID: Hi all, I was asked to circulate the following from Nathan Clark was thinking that we could have a fantasy football league through yahoo sports website for the up coming season. I have much experience with working with this kind of task before because I have played in at least one league for the past like 5 years. This relates to MDABS because in many leagues, teams are required to pay usually a 20 dollar entrance fee for the whole season. My idea is that depending on how many people we get in the league, first place gets 30 dollars, second place gets 20 dollars (their money back), and third place gets 10 dollars and the rest goes to the MDABS treasurer. I hope that we get about 12 players in this league. So if we get 12 players we would make 180 dollars after paying out the winners. Now, Chris this is where I need your help the most. I need you to recruit people from LCB to join our league. The people that I have in mind are;: Roland, Pam, Jack, Sugar, Susan and whoever else you can find. In the end, we need 12 people in the league by the time the season starts. Got it Chris, start the volun Hi guys, Here is a fundraising idea that I think would be good if we put on. Tell me what you guys think? Thanks Nate Nathan Clark Vice President of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland Student Division Chairman of Legislative Affairs for Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind Scholarship winner Class of 2016 Legislative Committee member for National Federation of the Blind National Association of Blind Students Towson University Student Conduct Aid -- Nathan Clark Vice President of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland Student Division Chairman of Legislative Affairs for Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind Scholarship winner Class of 2016 Legislative Committee member for National Federation of the Blind National Association of Blind Students Towson University Student Conduct Aid -- Nathan Clark Please let him know if you are interested. Nesma Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 22:19:54 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 18:19:54 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question In-Reply-To: <2815CF13-B301-43E8-A202-48BF4F25F7F7@mainex1.asu.edu> References: <68B1FA0D-12BB-4151-894A-EF07D51CB561@gmail.com> <2815CF13-B301-43E8-A202-48BF4F25F7F7@mainex1.asu.edu> Message-ID: Thanks all-especially to Brian for that detailed possible solution. I'm not at the point where I have multiple devices yet and have seen all this happen from my IPhone, but I'll definitely have to remember the tidbits about music match as well for when I eventually do get an IPad to separate my work music from my personal phone. Maybe this isn't a necessary second question to ask, but one of the responses got me thinking about it. I apologize if Duarte's solution solves this too since I am just seeing this email and have not tried his suggestions out yet, but do you always have to add songs to your library in order to keep them in playlists? Of course I'll try the suggested solution and that will hopefully answer my question, but I'm just curious as I don't necessarily want to clutter my library with songs that I might use once or twice in a session but not want to keep around to take up space in my library. Thanks, On 8/23/16, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Kaiti, > > I have two questions and one solution to your problem. The first question is > do you subscribe to Music Match in iTunes? If you do not then the playlists > you create on one device might not automatically show up on another device > automatically. The second question is have you checked that you are > subscribed to the same Apple ID on all devices you use for iTunes music. I > know this sounds obvious and all but from time to time you might use a new > or different machine with iTunes and the ID associate with your Apple > account might not be sharing music under the same ID. > > As for a solution to this problem I would first recommend checking the > account you are signed into on all your devices in which you use Apple > music. Next I would go to the device you first created playlists on and see > if the playlist and music are still showing up there. Finally if it is not, > navigate to the Store tab in iTunes and sign out, then sign back in to your > Apple music account. Once this loads navigate to the preferences option in > iTunes and find where the Apple Music check box is located and ensure that > it is checked. It might help if you uncheck it then recheck it in a few > seconds to get it to refresh. The last thing I would do if you are using an > iDevice such as an iPhone, iPod, or iPad is to navigate to the Store option > under settings and uncheck the Apple Music check box, then re-check it for > the same reason. Give it a few minutes to update and after restarting your > devices hopefully your music will appear. > > In summary Apple did make some updates to their Music features which did > cause some people to lose playlists, podcasts, and music but Apple did fix > this in most situations. As of right now there should be no reason you would > be losing music from Apples end. I hope this helps and if you have any > questions feel free to reach out off list and I will see what I can do. > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate > National Association of Blind Students Board Member > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing > away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks > nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > > On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Wed Aug 24 22:40:25 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:40:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Music Question In-Reply-To: References: <68B1FA0D-12BB-4151-894A-EF07D51CB561@gmail.com> <2815CF13-B301-43E8-A202-48BF4F25F7F7@mainex1.asu.edu> Message-ID: Kaiti, You do not have to add a song to your library to add it to a playlist but when you purchase Apple Music it gives you the ability to add it to your library so you could use it even outside your playlist. Also you are given the ability to actually download the song or songs to your device so they are not lost as you had happen. Here are a few cool things you can do with Apple Music quickly and easily. • Search for a song • create your own playlist • add a song to your playlist • add a song to your music library • download the song to your divice for oflfline listening • remove a song from your playlist • remove a song from your music library • share a song or playlist with another Apple Music subscriber Each of these functions can be done by navigating to the song you want to add or remove and swiping up if you are using voiceover on an iDevice. Once you swipe up you should hear the word "more". When you hear "more" double tap and a list of functions will come up including each of these things I have listed here with the exceptions of download, and creat playlist. I hope this helps. Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila On Aug 24, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L > wrote: Thanks all-especially to Brian for that detailed possible solution. I'm not at the point where I have multiple devices yet and have seen all this happen from my IPhone, but I'll definitely have to remember the tidbits about music match as well for when I eventually do get an IPad to separate my work music from my personal phone. Maybe this isn't a necessary second question to ask, but one of the responses got me thinking about it. I apologize if Duarte's solution solves this too since I am just seeing this email and have not tried his suggestions out yet, but do you always have to add songs to your library in order to keep them in playlists? Of course I'll try the suggested solution and that will hopefully answer my question, but I'm just curious as I don't necessarily want to clutter my library with songs that I might use once or twice in a session but not want to keep around to take up space in my library. Thanks, On 8/23/16, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L > wrote: Hello Kaiti, I have two questions and one solution to your problem. The first question is do you subscribe to Music Match in iTunes? If you do not then the playlists you create on one device might not automatically show up on another device automatically. The second question is have you checked that you are subscribed to the same Apple ID on all devices you use for iTunes music. I know this sounds obvious and all but from time to time you might use a new or different machine with iTunes and the ID associate with your Apple account might not be sharing music under the same ID. As for a solution to this problem I would first recommend checking the account you are signed into on all your devices in which you use Apple music. Next I would go to the device you first created playlists on and see if the playlist and music are still showing up there. Finally if it is not, navigate to the Store tab in iTunes and sign out, then sign back in to your Apple music account. Once this loads navigate to the preferences option in iTunes and find where the Apple Music check box is located and ensure that it is checked. It might help if you uncheck it then recheck it in a few seconds to get it to refresh. The last thing I would do if you are using an iDevice such as an iPhone, iPod, or iPad is to navigate to the Store option under settings and uncheck the Apple Music check box, then re-check it for the same reason. Give it a few minutes to update and after restarting your devices hopefully your music will appear. In summary Apple did make some updates to their Music features which did cause some people to lose playlists, podcasts, and music but Apple did fix this in most situations. As of right now there should be no reason you would be losing music from Apples end. I hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to reach out off list and I will see what I can do. Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.qwikeyes.com_&d=CwIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SQZaKxsUBSOGL9WrHRnMSO4r7FXf3Y5efhI1sk0vyXY&s=NDl3CwYYPX8GPQp7E_GeYXCZ9UM7am1PAKSaCqkj60U&e= “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila On Aug 23, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Alosha Moore via NABS-L > wrote: Kaiti _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org&d=CwIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SQZaKxsUBSOGL9WrHRnMSO4r7FXf3Y5efhI1sk0vyXY&s=K5EzukrfMhLBoBFYgFxGQzJzUi50zejxMFHEw-JMlkg&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org_crazy4clarinet104-2540gmail.com&d=CwIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SQZaKxsUBSOGL9WrHRnMSO4r7FXf3Y5efhI1sk0vyXY&s=fusfhmziuDCrfyVbX8XRSEAd8pVRLjZt3uV09am-7do&e= -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org&d=CwIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SQZaKxsUBSOGL9WrHRnMSO4r7FXf3Y5efhI1sk0vyXY&s=K5EzukrfMhLBoBFYgFxGQzJzUi50zejxMFHEw-JMlkg&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org_bjduarte-2540asu.edu&d=CwIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=SQZaKxsUBSOGL9WrHRnMSO4r7FXf3Y5efhI1sk0vyXY&s=dDVt0qpdJsNqrbS3Nun_5zxSoxtnQhEyeUYfCxLiN4o&e= From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 05:52:16 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 00:52:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Message-ID: <1FA9CCF0-F9F0-42E7-BA6A-08B23E5EBD30@gmail.com> Hi NABS, This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences to going? If so should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:) Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 12:10:35 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:10:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Message-ID: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 13:24:46 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:24:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 13:35:47 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:35:47 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project > On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: > > I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Thu Aug 25 13:42:33 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:42:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L wrote: > > I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From dandrews at vifi.com Thu Aug 25 13:43:21 2016 From: dandrews at vifi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:43:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> Message-ID: It has been many years since I was in college and I certainly went to my share of parties however I think a person should do what they are comfortable with some people are going to go others are not but there is no right or wrong Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L wrote: > > I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >> >> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > From Amason at nfb.org Thu Aug 25 14:15:43 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 14:15:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. Good luck, and enjoy your college career Amy Mason Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From kestomberg at coe.edu Thu Aug 25 14:20:30 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:20:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> Message-ID: Amy pretty much just said everything I wanted to say! Balance is absolutely very important! And her strategies are definitely good to keep in mind. :-) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > Amy Mason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:01:20 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:01:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> Message-ID: <1B7E70FC-A901-4E95-A1A5-C92AEF4CAF38@gmail.com> Thanks! It is kind of interesting to see peoples’ both negative and positive reactions to this. I would like to try it at least 1 time if/when it happens again. How many suite mates do you think is a good idea to go with? Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 08:42, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > > All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Linson Productions. >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >>>> >>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:04:59 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:04:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> Message-ID: <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and dancing happen at these events? Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > Amy Mason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From annita.co.usa at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:19:33 2016 From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 09:19:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000d01d1fee4$1660b450$43221cf0$@gmail.com> I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been exposed to the real world, and they often don't know how to deal with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of classes, and it will present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate in the world around you. I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the offer and attend a party! A -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 6:11 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: roanna bacchus Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co m From jfranks at nfbtx.org Thu Aug 25 15:37:05 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:37:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> Message-ID: Greetings Nabs, yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their academic and future careers. Warm regards, Jonathan Franks BSW Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a > part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not > big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! > College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be > smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are > it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of > their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or > not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a > social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you > sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that >> earning a degree is more important. >> >> Thanks, >> Aaron Linson >> CEO Linson Productions. >> CEO Blind Faith Project >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm >>> a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about >>>> the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should >>>> politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet >>>> mates to have contact information for your host family. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 15:59:31 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:59:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> Message-ID: <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> Thanks for the advice Jonathan and all. I think I should try it at least once Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:37, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L wrote: > > Greetings Nabs, > yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should > focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we > must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we > spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a > prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into > our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time > with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that > is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our > success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend > this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and > success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new > experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our > careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. > > Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their > academic and future careers. > > Warm regards, > > Jonathan Franks BSW > Board Member > National Federation of the Blind of Texas > Treasurer > Texas Association of Blind Students > > On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >> All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a >> part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not >> big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! >> College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be >> smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are >> it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of >> their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or >> not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a >> social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you >> sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that >>> earning a degree is more important. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Aaron Linson >>> CEO Linson Productions. >>> CEO Blind Faith Project >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm >>>> a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about >>>>> the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should >>>>> politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet >>>>> mates to have contact information for your host family. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org >> > > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From leyeshprintse at ymail.com Thu Aug 25 16:21:11 2016 From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:21:11 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Nopydo Scanning Stand for iPhone Message-ID: <2C53CCC2-E1A6-43CC-A251-1461323306FC@ymail.com> BS"D Hi everybody, I wonder if some of you have the Nopydo's Scanning Stand for iPhone; and if so, what are your experiences with it? Lesholom, Leye-Shprintse Öberg leyeshprintse at ymai.com http://leyeshprintse.wordpress.com Sent from my iPhone From jsoro620 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 16:32:14 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe Orozco) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:32:14 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: What happens at these parties? I think that's the question Zachary's honing in on, and the answer is that, well, it depends. A college party may sound wild by virtue of it being a college party, but are we talking about a fraternity party? Just a group of friends getting together? A young professional networking party? Like anything else, there are extremes. At one end of the spectrum you could enjoy a casual conversation with a small group of people at someone's apartment. At the other end of the extreme you could find yourself in the middle of the woods enjoying loud music, drinks, drugs, and sex. What you experience I think ultimately depends on the context of the party. I was a part of my university's debate squad. We were never crazy, but when we played, we played hard and drank heavy because we all trusted each other not to do anything we would regret. The best way to prepare is to figure out in advance what your limits are. Don't wait until you're in the situation to figure out what you should or should not do. If you don't want to drink, don't drink. The same is true of drugs. I assure you chances are very good you'll find someone else at the party who is probably feeling the same way you are and would love to team up with you to feel stronger about their convictions. And, who knows? Maybe this young lady wants you to go to one of these parties because she just wants to hang out with you? Sometimes it's good to analyze the situation, think about the pros and cons and assess the consequences. At other times a party is just a party and you are at no more risk of being hurt than you would be walking down the street. Good luck to you! Joe On 8/25/16, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: > Thanks for the advice Jonathan and all. I think I should try it at least > once > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > >> On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:37, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Greetings Nabs, >> yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should >> focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we >> must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we >> spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a >> prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into >> our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time >> with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that >> is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our >> success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend >> this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and >> success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new >> experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our >> careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. >> >> Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their >> academic and future careers. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Jonathan Franks BSW >> Board Member >> National Federation of the Blind of Texas >> Treasurer >> Texas Association of Blind Students >> >> On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >>> All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just >>> a >>> part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm >>> not >>> big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! >>> College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be >>> smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you >>> are >>> it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of >>> their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties >>> or >>> not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, >>> having a >>> social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, >>> you >>> sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that >>>> earning a degree is more important. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Aaron Linson >>>> CEO Linson Productions. >>>> CEO Blind Faith Project >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that >>>>> I'm >>>>> a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all >>>>>> about >>>>>> the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you >>>>>> should >>>>>> politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet >>>>>> mates to have contact information for your host family. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org >>> >> >> >> -- >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create >> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life >> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Thu Aug 25 17:02:57 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:02:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Research opportunity for online courses Message-ID: <3FC74D90-2083-4AD4-BEB5-6D9ED81A27D7@mainex1.asu.edu> All: If you are a blind college student, Please consider participating in the following research project. You are invited to participate in a research study conducted by Robert L. Morgan, Ph.D., and Sachin D. Pavithran, MS, in the Department of Special Education and Rehabilitation at Utah State University. The purpose of this research is to identify the barriers that blind and low vision college and university students face when accessing online education courses. Inaccessibility to online education is a problem for blind and low vision college and university students. Your first-hand experience accessing online education is valuable to understanding barriers and seeking solutions to those barriers. The knowledge and perspective you share can positively impact the accessibility of online education courses for blind and low vision college and university students. To be eligible to participate in this study, you need to meet the following criteria: (a) be blind or have low vision; (b) be currently enrolled in a two-year college or four-year university; (c) have ever been enrolled in an online course at a college or university: (d) have used any assistive technology devices to access the computer; (e) and be 18 years of age or older. Your participation will involve taking part in a three-round survey that will gather your thoughts about the accessibility of online education courses. In the first round you will be asked to answer open-ended questions. The second and third rounds will have multiple-choice questions. This study will be conducted over a period of two months. You will have 10 days to complete and return each of the surveys. You will have control over the place and time that you complete the three surveys. Your participation in this research is completely voluntary and research records will be kept confidential. For your participation in this research study, you will be entered into a drawing for one of three $100 prepaid Visa cards. Your email address will be necessary for contacting the winners and for emailing links to the second and third survey rounds. Your email will be kept confidential and not used for study purposes. You must complete all three survey rounds to be eligible to enter the drawing. If you would like to participate in the study, please email Sachin Pavithran at sachin.pavithran at usu.edu by Friday, September 9, 2016 and link to the first round of the survey will be sent to you. Thank you! Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 17:29:17 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:29:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5DA52D07-9733-476F-B42E-D49D727B396E@gmail.com> Thank you Joe! This is also definitely something to take into consideration. I suppose too that one can go, but nobody can force them to drink or do drugs unless they really want to, too. Maybe next time I could go for the enjoyment. Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > On Aug 25, 2016, at 11:32, Joe Orozco via NABS-L wrote: > > What happens at these parties? I think that's the question Zachary's > honing in on, and the answer is that, well, it depends. A college > party may sound wild by virtue of it being a college party, but are we > talking about a fraternity party? Just a group of friends getting > together? A young professional networking party? > > Like anything else, there are extremes. At one end of the spectrum you > could enjoy a casual conversation with a small group of people at > someone's apartment. At the other end of the extreme you could find > yourself in the middle of the woods enjoying loud music, drinks, > drugs, and sex. What you experience I think ultimately depends on the > context of the party. I was a part of my university's debate squad. We > were never crazy, but when we played, we played hard and drank heavy > because we all trusted each other not to do anything we would regret. > > The best way to prepare is to figure out in advance what your limits > are. Don't wait until you're in the situation to figure out what you > should or should not do. If you don't want to drink, don't drink. The > same is true of drugs. I assure you chances are very good you'll find > someone else at the party who is probably feeling the same way you are > and would love to team up with you to feel stronger about their > convictions. > > And, who knows? Maybe this young lady wants you to go to one of these > parties because she just wants to hang out with you? Sometimes it's > good to analyze the situation, think about the pros and cons and > assess the consequences. At other times a party is just a party and > you are at no more risk of being hurt than you would be walking down > the street. > > Good luck to you! > > Joe > > > On 8/25/16, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: >> Thanks for the advice Jonathan and all. I think I should try it at least >> once >> Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 >> >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:37, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Greetings Nabs, >>> yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should >>> focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we >>> must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we >>> spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a >>> prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into >>> our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time >>> with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that >>> is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our >>> success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend >>> this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and >>> success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new >>> experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our >>> careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. >>> >>> Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their >>> academic and future careers. >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> >>> Jonathan Franks BSW >>> Board Member >>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas >>> Treasurer >>> Texas Association of Blind Students >>> >>> On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >>>> All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just >>>> a >>>> part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm >>>> not >>>> big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! >>>> College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be >>>> smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you >>>> are >>>> it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of >>>> their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties >>>> or >>>> not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, >>>> having a >>>> social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, >>>> you >>>> sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! >>>> >>>> Kennedy Stomberg >>>> (218)295-2391 >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that >>>>> earning a degree is more important. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Aaron Linson >>>>> CEO Linson Productions. >>>>> CEO Blind Faith Project >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that >>>>>> I'm >>>>>> a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you >>>>>>> should >>>>>>> politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet >>>>>>> mates to have contact information for your host family. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >>> characteristic that defines you or your future. 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You can live the life >>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org Thu Aug 25 17:30:30 2016 From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:30:30 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Tickets on Sale Now for Superfest: International Disability Film Festival Message-ID: <0691b47c5f1f484897d620c5a4082518@1155-009.core.lighthouse-sf.org> Together with the Paul K. 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The selected films bring to the screen a variety of topics and disabilities, each helping move forward Superfest's mission to celebrate cutting-edge cinema that portrays disability culture in all its diverse, complex, and engaging facets. See the film lineup at http://www.superfestfilm.com/2016-films/ Buy tickets at http://www.superfestfilm.com/tickets/ Visit the LightHouse for the Blind's new headquarters at 1155 Market Street, 10th Floor. Check out our store, Adaptations, experience the new facility designed by and for people who are blind and learn about all of our programs and resources for people who are blind or have low vision. From annita.co.usa at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 17:55:06 2016 From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:55:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <1FA9CCF0-F9F0-42E7-BA6A-08B23E5EBD30@gmail.com> References: <1FA9CCF0-F9F0-42E7-BA6A-08B23E5EBD30@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d1fef9$d0cfdbd0$726f9370$@gmail.com> I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been exposed to the real world, and they often don't know how to deal with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of classes, and it will present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate in the world around you. I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the offer and attend a party! A _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co m -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Hi NABS, This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences to going? If so should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:) Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Aug 25 20:47:01 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:47:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <1B7E70FC-A901-4E95-A1A5-C92AEF4CAF38@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> <1B7E70FC-A901-4E95-A1A5-C92AEF4CAF38@gmail.com> Message-ID: Zack, I say the more the merrier. The more people you have to comfort you and to going to the party the better off you'll be. You'll find that one that will want to follow you around. Good luck, and feel free to let me know how it goes. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: Thanks! It is kind of interesting to see peoples’ both negative and positive reactions to this. I would like to try it at least 1 time if/when it happens again. How many suite mates do you think is a good idea to go with? Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 On Aug 25, 2016, at 08:42, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > wrote: All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L > wrote: I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Aug 25 20:49:09 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:49:09 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> Message-ID: Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes other things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to other things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable. So if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let start shooting text messages back and forth. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and dancing happen at these events? Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > wrote: Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. Good luck, and enjoy your college career Amy Mason Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. 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Message-ID: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> Dear, All is there a chapter close to Washing ton D.C North West region near The George Washington University? and my dorm at 2121 H street NW? Thank you, Emma From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Aug 25 20:54:45 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:54:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Joe, thanks for explaining what I was going to head explain to him privately. I didn't want to explain publicly because I didn't want to offend anybody. But thank you for being very brave. The whole idea, it is to be careful and to Think about what might be going on around you. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Aug 25, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Joe Orozco via NABS-L > wrote: What happens at these parties? I think that's the question Zachary's honing in on, and the answer is that, well, it depends. A college party may sound wild by virtue of it being a college party, but are we talking about a fraternity party? Just a group of friends getting together? A young professional networking party? Like anything else, there are extremes. At one end of the spectrum you could enjoy a casual conversation with a small group of people at someone's apartment. At the other end of the extreme you could find yourself in the middle of the woods enjoying loud music, drinks, drugs, and sex. What you experience I think ultimately depends on the context of the party. I was a part of my university's debate squad. We were never crazy, but when we played, we played hard and drank heavy because we all trusted each other not to do anything we would regret. The best way to prepare is to figure out in advance what your limits are. Don't wait until you're in the situation to figure out what you should or should not do. If you don't want to drink, don't drink. The same is true of drugs. I assure you chances are very good you'll find someone else at the party who is probably feeling the same way you are and would love to team up with you to feel stronger about their convictions. And, who knows? Maybe this young lady wants you to go to one of these parties because she just wants to hang out with you? Sometimes it's good to analyze the situation, think about the pros and cons and assess the consequences. At other times a party is just a party and you are at no more risk of being hurt than you would be walking down the street. Good luck to you! Joe On 8/25/16, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: Thanks for the advice Jonathan and all. I think I should try it at least once Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:37, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L > wrote: Greetings Nabs, yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their academic and future careers. Warm regards, Jonathan Franks BSW Board Member National Federation of the Blind of Texas Treasurer Texas Association of Blind Students On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > wrote: All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L > wrote: I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 20:56:26 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 16:56:26 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> Message-ID: <55B9023B-8180-4835-9364-94D742C9E3C8@gmail.com> Listers, Let me be clear in my last statement I said don't go. Zach, you are more than welcome to go if you want. Just have safety measures in place and don't let others peer pressure you into drinking or drugs or even unprotected sex. You may think that all college students are grown up enough to understand this fact even sighted ones however, peer pressure still happens and i think is still even more rapidly used in a college setting than a high school setting as kids are starting to become adults. Just my two cents again. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > > Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes other things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to other things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable. So if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let start shooting text messages back and forth. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: > > Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and dancing happen at these events? > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > wrote: > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > Amy Mason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Aug 25 21:04:01 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:04:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <55B9023B-8180-4835-9364-94D742C9E3C8@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> <55B9023B-8180-4835-9364-94D742C9E3C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Erin, your point was well taken. But it sounds like Zack really wants to go what is the reason why I said the more the merrier. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:56 PM, amazing tech via NABS-L > wrote: Listers, Let me be clear in my last statement I said don't go. Zach, you are more than welcome to go if you want. Just have safety measures in place and don't let others peer pressure you into drinking or drugs or even unprotected sex. You may think that all college students are grown up enough to understand this fact even sighted ones however, peer pressure still happens and i think is still even more rapidly used in a college setting than a high school setting as kids are starting to become adults. Just my two cents again. Thanks, Aaron Linson CEO Linson Productions. CEO Blind Faith Project On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L > wrote: Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes other things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to other things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable. So if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let start shooting text messages back and forth. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and dancing happen at these events? Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > wrote: Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. Good luck, and enjoy your college career Amy Mason Sent from my iPhone On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 21:41:04 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 17:41:04 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> <55B9023B-8180-4835-9364-94D742C9E3C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Zach and all. I don't think there is any harm in checking out the party. In fact, it's probably best to go at the beginning of the school year before you get busy with classes and work. You can always decline invitations in the future if it's not your thing. I would also suggest having your own ride home like an Uber if you decide to leave before your suitemates do. You can always leave if you want to for any reason. However, I don't think you need to worry. Many students go to parties and in the vast majority of cases, these parties are safe. I only went to a few smaller parties in college but I never saw hard drugs used or anything like that. Whether you choose to experiment with drinking or not is up to you. If you are under 21 there are good reasons not to drink so you don't get in legal trouble. It's really up to you though, and you can always choose not to partake of any activity that makes you feel uncomfortable. You can have fun just talking to people or dancing. Have a good time! Arielle On 8/25/16, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > Erin, your point was well taken. But it sounds like Zack really wants to go > what is the reason why I said the more the merrier. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:56 PM, amazing tech via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Listers, > Let me be clear in my last statement I said don't go. Zach, you are more > than welcome to go if you want. Just have safety measures in place and don't > let others peer pressure you into drinking or drugs or even unprotected sex. > You may think that all college students are grown up enough to understand > this fact even sighted ones however, peer pressure still happens and i think > is still even more rapidly used in a college setting than a high school > setting as kids are starting to become adults. Just my two cents again. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes other > things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to other > things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable. So > if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let start shooting text > messages back and forth. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the > right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and > dancing happen at these events? > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all > right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and > escape plans. > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can > trust give you anything that's been opened. > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can > carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not > attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for > getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance > with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid > to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too > far to one side either. Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely > on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities > that don't come in the classroom. > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > Amy Mason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > > > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all about the > academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely > decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have > contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is > confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others > authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in > relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been > automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a > Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for > your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and > compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu Thu Aug 25 23:29:35 2016 From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 19:29:35 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] washington dc chapters? In-Reply-To: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> References: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, there are two DC chapters and an Arlington VA chapter right near Virginia square metro on the orange line. Best regards Derek Manners Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear, All is there a chapter close to Washing ton D.C North West region near The George Washington University? and my dorm at 2121 H street NW? > Thank you, > Emma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 23:50:20 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 19:50:20 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <4E21276A-5A82-4C50-B293-313B27357705@nfb.org> <1A2C9DA8-12F0-451A-9838-DE4F3CB6E658@gmail.com> <55B9023B-8180-4835-9364-94D742C9E3C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00f901d1ff2b$71182760$53487620$@gmail.com> Attend as many social events as you can while keeping a balance in your academic and self-care. You just as much outside the classroom as you do in the classroom. I wouldn't dare say one is more valuable than the other; they are about equal. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 5:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Arielle Silverman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties Hi Zach and all. I don't think there is any harm in checking out the party. In fact, it's probably best to go at the beginning of the school year before you get busy with classes and work. You can always decline invitations in the future if it's not your thing. I would also suggest having your own ride home like an Uber if you decide to leave before your suitemates do. You can always leave if you want to for any reason. However, I don't think you need to worry. Many students go to parties and in the vast majority of cases, these parties are safe. I only went to a few smaller parties in college but I never saw hard drugs used or anything like that. Whether you choose to experiment with drinking or not is up to you. If you are under 21 there are good reasons not to drink so you don't get in legal trouble. It's really up to you though, and you can always choose not to partake of any activity that makes you feel uncomfortable. You can have fun just talking to people or dancing. Have a good time! Arielle On 8/25/16, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > Erin, your point was well taken. But it sounds like Zack really wants > to go what is the reason why I said the more the merrier. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 3:56 PM, amazing tech via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Listers, > Let me be clear in my last statement I said don't go. Zach, you are > more than welcome to go if you want. Just have safety measures in > place and don't let others peer pressure you into drinking or drugs or even unprotected sex. > You may think that all college students are grown up enough to > understand this fact even sighted ones however, peer pressure still > happens and i think is still even more rapidly used in a college > setting than a high school setting as kids are starting to become adults. Just my two cents again. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L > > wrote: > > Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes > other things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to > other things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody > uncomfortable. So if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let > start shooting text messages back and forth. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com m> > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com m> > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > > > > wrote: > > Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps > under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more > than drinking and dancing happen at these events? > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > > > > wrote: > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's > all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety > strategies, and escape plans. > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* > you can trust give you anything that's been opened. > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that > you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who > Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit > options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to > balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. > Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let > the balances fall too far to one side either. Whether it is academics > or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing > a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > Amy Mason > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > > > > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it is all > about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you > should politely decline this invitation. 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It took me a few years to figure that out, but when I got right, I used to go to everyone's party. I go all over the place now; this Saturday, I'm going down town to main street, and to the hispannic festival. I wouldn't have gone to any of the community events, or had some of the wild adventures I've had if I hadn't learned how to socialize, and party, yes, I said it, party, while in college. But, be careful, and don't feel you're under any pressure. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Anya Avramenko Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been exposed to the real world, and they often don't know how to deal with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of classes, and it will present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate in the world around you. I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the offer and attend a party! A _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co m -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Hi NABS, This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences to going? If so should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:) Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 00:35:07 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:35:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <00fa01d1ff2c$b28e9e30$17abda90$@gmail.com> References: <1FA9CCF0-F9F0-42E7-BA6A-08B23E5EBD30@gmail.com> <000001d1fef9$d0cfdbd0$726f9370$@gmail.com> <00fa01d1ff2c$b28e9e30$17abda90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006501d1ff31$b2749440$175dbcc0$@gmail.com> I agree with everything that's been said so far. If you want to go to the party, by all means go, have fun. If you don't want to go to the party, or there's stuff going on that you're not comfortable with, don't feel pressured to take part. Being in college is all about figuring yourself out both academically and socially. I had a lot of trouble my first semester of college because it was the first time I had a social life and I didn't know how to balance schoolwork and friends. I never attended parties like the one you're talking about because my friends and I preferred to take advantage of the empty dorm to play dungeons and dragons and read each other our novels, so I can't speak to what goes on there, but some good advice I've heard is not only that you shouldn't let anyone else handle your drink, it's also a good idea to keep a hand over the top of your drink at all times when you're not drinking it, just in case (I've heard this advice given to everyone, blind or sighted). Also, make sure you aren't depending on the people you go with to help you out or get you home or anything. If they're having fun and getting into anything you're not interested in getting into, you could be left in the cold for a way back to your suite. So make sure you can get home independently, again just in case. But like I said, if you want to go, go and have fun! HTH, Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Justin Williams Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties I agree, attend that party. It took me a few years to figure that out, but when I got right, I used to go to everyone's party. I go all over the place now; this Saturday, I'm going down town to main street, and to the hispannic festival. I wouldn't have gone to any of the community events, or had some of the wild adventures I've had if I hadn't learned how to socialize, and party, yes, I said it, party, while in college. But, be careful, and don't feel you're under any pressure. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Anya Avramenko Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been exposed to the real world, and they often don't know how to deal with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of classes, and it will present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate in the world around you. I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the offer and attend a party! A _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co m -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Hi NABS, This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences to going? If so should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:) Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 03:38:20 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:38:20 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <006501d1ff31$b2749440$175dbcc0$@gmail.com> References: <1FA9CCF0-F9F0-42E7-BA6A-08B23E5EBD30@gmail.com> <000001d1fef9$d0cfdbd0$726f9370$@gmail.com> <00fa01d1ff2c$b28e9e30$17abda90$@gmail.com> <006501d1ff31$b2749440$175dbcc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jamieanne, I think the first year you are out of high school, no matter what it is, is about figuring yourself out. I am entering college this year as a freshman, with 9 months under my belt at the Louisiana Center forthe Blind, and I have to say I know much more socially from that experience than I ever would have known had I started college fresh out of high school. Interacting with people, finding really good friends, not getting too involved in the drama... Vejas > On Aug 25, 2016, at 17:35, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree with everything that's been said so far. If you want to go to the party, by all means go, have fun. If you don't want to go to the party, or there's stuff going on that you're not comfortable with, don't feel pressured to take part. Being in college is all about figuring yourself out both academically and socially. I had a lot of trouble my first semester of college because it was the first time I had a social life and I didn't know how to balance schoolwork and friends. I never attended parties like the one you're talking about because my friends and I preferred to take advantage of the empty dorm to play dungeons and dragons and read each other our novels, so I can't speak to what goes on there, but some good advice I've heard is not only that you shouldn't let anyone else handle your drink, it's also a good idea to keep a hand over the top of your drink at all times when you're not drinking it, just in case (I've heard this advice given to everyone, blind or sighted). Also, make sure you aren't depending on the people you go with to help you out or get you home or anything. If they're having fun and getting into anything you're not interested in getting into, you could be left in the cold for a way back to your suite. So make sure you can get home independently, again just in case. But like I said, if you want to go, go and have fun! > HTH, > Jameyanne > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Justin Williams > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties > > I agree, attend that party. > It took me a few years to figure that out, but when I got right, I used to go to everyone's party. I go all over the place now; this Saturday, I'm going down town to main street, and to the hispannic festival. I wouldn't have gone to any of the community events, or had some of the wild adventures I've had if I hadn't learned how to socialize, and party, yes, I said it, party, while in college. > But, be careful, and don't feel you're under any pressure. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:55 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Anya Avramenko > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties > > I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! > Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. > Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been exposed to the real world, and they often don't know how to deal with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of classes, and it will present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. > College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate in the world around you. > I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the offer and attend a party! > A > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co > m > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer > Subject: [nabs-l] college parties > > Hi NABS, > This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences to going? If so should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:) > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Aug 26 03:45:41 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 20:45:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> References: <57bee062.4ecc0d0a.b166c.9eeb@mx.google.com> <2A429294-1825-408B-97AA-70848E0F8A39@gmail.com> <5A5CEC4E-E72B-482C-A157-A0F555834ACA@coe.edu> <0320B422-B7BC-4A0A-9D61-8B9FB7E1C1E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: "Zachary, Social life, I think is a must. Serves to Augment all that book knowledge particularly if human behaviors and ways in which people become disenfranchised is among your interests as they are mine. Car Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L wrote: >Thanks for the advice Jonathan and all. I think I should try it at least once >Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:37, Jonathan Franks via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Greetings Nabs, > > yes,performing well in College is vital and very important. One should > > focus a significant time to their studies and coursework. However, we > > must be cognizant of our own mental and physical awareness. If we > > spend all of our time focusing on our schoolwork, that is a > > prescription for burnout. We as College students need to balance into > > our lives time for self-care. Whether it is exercising, spending time > > with friends, going to the movies or any other type of activity that > > is geared to increase our happiness positively is vital to our > > success in College. Ultimately, it is up to you if you want to attend > > this College party. College is not only a time for academic growth and > > success, but it is a time to make friends, take part in new > > experiences that will help mold us into positive leaders in our > > careers and if you are involved in the NFB, leaders in the Federation. > > > > Whatever you choose to do, I wish you and everyone success in their > > academic and future careers. > > > > Warm regards, > > > > Jonathan Franks BSW > > Board Member > > National Federation of the Blind of Texas > > Treasurer > > Texas Association of Blind Students > > > > On 8/25/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > >> All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a > >> part of the college experience, and that you should experience > that. I'm not > >> big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! > >> College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be > >> smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are > >> it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of > >> their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to > parties or > >> not, remember that well academics is of course extremely > important, having a > >> social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a > social life, you > >> sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! > >> > >> Kennedy Stomberg > >> (218)295-2391 > >> > >>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that > >>> earning a degree is more important. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Aaron Linson > >>> CEO Linson Productions. > >>> CEO Blind Faith Project > >>> > >>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I am here for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm > >>>> a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > >>>> > >>>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Many people go to college for different reasons. For me it > is all about > >>>>> the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should > >>>>> politely decline this invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet > >>>>> mates to have contact information for your host family. > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> NABS-L: > >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> NABS-L mailing list > >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> NABS-L: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> NABS-L mailing list > >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> NABS-L: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NABS-L mailing list > >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> NABS-L: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > >> > > > > > > -- > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list >NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Aug 26 05:14:02 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 01:14:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] washington dc chapters? In-Reply-To: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> References: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DD1FD13B85C4D0AB8BE25CC87A7168A@OwnerPC> Emma! Yes there is several chapters; the potomac chapter in arlington where they meet at the St. George's episcopal church is not far. If you know the metro system, simply take the orange line down there to I think its Virginia square stop. Alternatively, I think there is a DC chapter in NW. I think Sean runs it. But, this struck a chord. I'd love to meet as I'm in northern va and we are like neighbors! I bet you attend george washington university. What is your major? I hope you are liking the dc area. I'm a young adult and I have attended various classes at the community college here off and on after my degree at marymount university located in arlington va where I studied liberal arts; basically a combined program of study since I could not figure out a major; my concentrations were psychology and communication. Hope this helps and if you need contact info for either chapter, let me know. Oh there is also a fairfax chapter of nfb which I've gone to. Not in dc, but not too far away if you want to come. Take care, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] washington dc chapters? Dear, All is there a chapter close to Washing ton D.C North West region near The George Washington University? and my dorm at 2121 H street NW? Thank you, Emma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 13:14:21 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:14:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] washington dc chapters? In-Reply-To: <7DD1FD13B85C4D0AB8BE25CC87A7168A@OwnerPC> References: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> <7DD1FD13B85C4D0AB8BE25CC87A7168A@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I attend GWU and am an english major and would love to meet and attend the chapter! > On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:14 AM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Emma! > > > Yes there is several chapters; the potomac chapter in arlington where they meet at the St. George's episcopal church is not far. > If you know the metro system, simply take the orange line down there to I think its Virginia square stop. > Alternatively, I think there is a DC chapter in NW. I think Sean runs it. > > But, this struck a chord. I'd love to meet as I'm in northern va and we are like neighbors! > I bet you attend george washington university. What is your major? > I hope you are liking the dc area. > I'm a young adult and I have attended various classes at the community college here off and on after my degree at marymount university located in arlington va where I studied liberal arts; basically a combined program of study since I could not figure out a major; my concentrations were psychology and communication. > > Hope this helps and if you need contact info for either chapter, let me know. > > Oh there is also a fairfax chapter of nfb which I've gone to. Not in dc, but not too far away if you want to come. > > Take care, > Ashley > > > -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 4:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: [nabs-l] washington dc chapters? > > Dear, All is there a chapter close to Washing ton D.C North West region near The George Washington University? and my dorm at 2121 H street NW? > Thank you, > Emma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 15:02:19 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:02:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ups tracking without number Message-ID: <46381EC2-C4E1-4B29-BE0A-5A2D5E505236@gmail.com> Hey, Does anyone know if there's a way to track packages without the tracking number? Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 15:09:28 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:09:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Ups tracking without number Message-ID: <57c05bd2.8ce0240a.3d22e.3883@mx.google.com> I'm not sure. I know that most companies require you to enter the tracking number into the system so the packages can be tracked. From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 15:11:08 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 10:11:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Ups tracking without number In-Reply-To: <46381EC2-C4E1-4B29-BE0A-5A2D5E505236@gmail.com> References: <46381EC2-C4E1-4B29-BE0A-5A2D5E505236@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you're using JAWS, there's a feature called Research It which you can access by pressing JAWS key + space, followed by R. This has an easy-to-use UPS tracking feature, though I believe you need the tracking number. However, there may be other information which can be entered, such as address, item, etc. Sorry I can't help further. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > Hey, > Does anyone know if there's a way to track packages without the tracking number? > > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:23:31 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:23:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] PowerPoints on Apex Message-ID: <57c08939.4583620a.e48c1.d0fb@mx.google.com> Hi, I have the most recent version of the Braillenote Apex and was under the impression that it enables you to read PPT and PPTX files. However, when I tried opening a PPTX file via the book reader, took several minutes to open and then was just full of jumbled characters. I have an IPhone and a laptop so can still read the presentations. I was more curious as to whether any other Apex users had known or used this. Thanks, Vejas From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:52:46 2016 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (Lakeria Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:52:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] PowerPoints on Apex In-Reply-To: <57c08939.4583620a.e48c1.d0fb@mx.google.com> References: <57c08939.4583620a.e48c1.d0fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50161909-886E-4DC9-8278-B427A6789C50@gmail.com> Hey, go to file manager browse and then go to the folder that you want to look at the files at. Once you've done that, click on it and you should see your PowerPoint's. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:23 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I have the most recent version of the Braillenote Apex and was under the impression that it enables you to read PPT and PPTX files. However, when I tried opening a PPTX file via the book reader, took several minutes to open and then was just full of jumbled characters. > I have an IPhone and a laptop so can still read the presentations. I was more curious as to whether any other Apex users had known or used this. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 18:53:21 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 14:53:21 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] PowerPoints on Apex Message-ID: <57c0904b.ce37810a.ae25c.6513@mx.google.com> Powerpoints must be converted to PPTX files before they can be read on the Apex. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Aug 26 21:51:38 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 16:51:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington dc chapters? In-Reply-To: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> References: <5E22F4F7-F9ED-4588-A522-5EB8DE2A049C@gmail.com> Message-ID: There are a couple northern Virginia chapters, a DC affiliate with one or more chapters, and chapters in MD as well. Most, if not all of these have lists on our server, all lists at www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ Dave At 03:50 PM 8/25/2016, you wrote: >Dear, All is there a chapter close to Washing ton D.C North West >region near The George Washington University? and my dorm at 2121 H street NW? >Thank you, >Emma From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 18:40:05 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 14:40:05 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming Message-ID: Hi all, This year I'm going to focus on really bettering myself. I'm a part time student, am in the process of applying for part time work, and am really hoping to take advantage of the little extra free time I have to focus on self care. Last year I found that spin and yoga classes were pretty good at giving me something else away from music to do, since I do that all day long. However, now that I've done the classes and didn't see much change in the fitness routines throughout the semester I'm thinking I could just as easily spin and do the yoga routine on my own when I want. I have recently heard of cardio drumming and think it could be a fun way to combine working out with music. I found a studio near campus that offers the classes, and so long as they're not out of my budget by too much I'll probably go for it. I'm sure my percussion teacher for the semester will approve. :) I noticed that the sports and rec division had cardio drumming presentations at convention this summer. I'd be curious to hear what those of you who tried it thought of the exercise just so I know what to expect. I read online that it is highly adaptable and modifications make it easy for even older people and those with disabilities to do, but as that was on the studio web page I'm hoping for some less biased views. I hope that it will be fun and so long as the instructor is willing to work with me as needed, I think it could be interesting. Thanks, -- Kaiti Shelton From bestca21 at gmail.com Sat Aug 27 22:53:55 2016 From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 15:53:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites Message-ID: Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it is with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. Thoughts appreciated. Cheers, Caitlin From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Sat Aug 27 23:44:11 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:44:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05DCB518-F567-4FDF-924C-E7C4DBA3F620@bellsouth.net> Hello, I preferred to create my own and use Perdue Owl– Online writing Lab. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Keight Best via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello everyone, > I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use > in order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of > mine recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how > accessible/usable it is with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, > with seems to work fine. Thoughts appreciated. > Cheers, > Caitlin > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 00:54:19 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 20:54:19 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ec01d200c6$b5e7aef0$21b70cd0$@gmail.com> What format are you using? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Keight Best Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites Hello everyone, I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it is with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. Thoughts appreciated. Cheers, Caitlin _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From bestca21 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 01:53:15 2016 From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 18:53:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites In-Reply-To: <02ec01d200c6$b5e7aef0$21b70cd0$@gmail.com> References: <02ec01d200c6$b5e7aef0$21b70cd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > What format are you using? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Keight Best > Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites > > Hello everyone, > I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in > order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine > recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it is > with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. Thoughts > appreciated. > Cheers, > Caitlin > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 04:23:00 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 23:23:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math Message-ID: Hello, everyone, I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the year, but I want to do well. Kayla On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> What format are you using? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Keight Best >> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >> >> Hello everyone, >> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >> is >> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >> Thoughts >> appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Caitlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Aug 28 05:05:46 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 00:05:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I am frayed I can't help you with your scanner problem, but I want to let you know that you absolutely can do math! I know it can be tough, and excess ability is a challenge, but it is absolutely possible! If you want, I can try and help you get in touch with some other resources. I don't know about a whole lot, but I think I can help. Let me know if you need help! Sorry I can't help you with your scanner problem Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, everyone, > I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can > scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? > I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. > I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up > to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. > I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the > year, but I want to do well. > > Kayla > > > >> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Aug 28 05:09:55 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 00:09:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites In-Reply-To: References: <02ec01d200c6$b5e7aef0$21b70cd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45010160-4909-41F1-A7BF-C7D1E0D8D627@coe.edu> For me, I think it kind of depends on what it is I'm siding. If you are trying to cite a peer-reviewed article, you may be able to search for it on Google scholar. If you scroll down after the link to the article, they will be a site button you click on that and then click on the link for the citation style you want to, and give you the citation. If you were trying to cite a book or something similar to that, Purdue online writing Lab might be the best option. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > > Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: >> >> What format are you using? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Keight Best >> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >> >> Hello everyone, >> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it is >> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. Thoughts >> appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Caitlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 05:20:40 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 00:20:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you like you can help. Thank you. On 8/28/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > I am frayed I can't help you with your scanner problem, but I want to let > you know that you absolutely can do math! I know it can be tough, and excess > ability is a challenge, but it is absolutely possible! If you want, I can > try and help you get in touch with some other resources. I don't know about > a whole lot, but I think I can help. Let me know if you need help! Sorry I > can't help you with your scanner problem > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello, everyone, >> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >> year, but I want to do well. >> >> Kayla >> >> >> >>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What format are you using? >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >>>> Best >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>> in >>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>>> is >>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>> Thoughts >>>> appreciated. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Caitlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 06:07:36 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:07:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Message-ID: <57c27faf.1227810a.f6c19.26c0@mx.google.com> thanks. Call here sometime:) Sent from my BrailleNote Touch On Aug 25, 2016 3:47 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > > Zack, I say the more the merrier. The more people you have to comfort you and to going to the party the better off you'll be. You'll find that one that will want to follow you around. Good luck, and feel free to let me know how it goes. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:01 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: > > Thanks! It is kind of interesting to see peoples’ both negative and positive reactions to this. I would like to try it at least 1 time if/when it happens again. How many suite mates do you think is a good idea to go with? > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 08:42, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > wrote: > > All of that said, some people would argue that parties are kind of just a part of the college experience, and that you should experience that. I'm not big into parties myself, but if you want to give it a try, go for it! College is for trying new things. That said, if you do go to a party, be smart about it. Make sure there's a friend who always knows where you are it's sort of generally. I would recommend this for anyone regardless of their amount of sight. Regardless of whether you decide to go to parties or not, remember that well academics is of course extremely important, having a social life is good. I learned the hard way that without a social life, you sort of go insane. :-) Good luck! > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:35 AM, amazing tech via NABS-L > wrote: > > I would stay away from parties focus on graduation. Tell yourself that earning a degree is more important. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: > > I am here  for academics and athletics there is a goalball team that I'm a part of too! What typically happens that this kind of party? > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 07:10, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: > > Many people go to college for different reasons.  For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward.  Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation.  It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 06:12:39 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:12:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Message-ID: <57c280dc.c42e810a.d2cd1.275d@mx.google.com> thanks for the clarification! I thought it was something like this but it's always good to cl arify. Sent from my BrailleNote Touch On Aug 25, 2016 3:56 PM, amazing tech via NABS-L wrote: > > Listers, > Let me be clear in my last statement I said don't go. Zach, you are more than welcome to go if you want. Just have safety measures in place and don't let others peer pressure you into drinking or drugs or even unprotected sex. You may think that all college students are grown up enough to understand this fact even sighted ones however, peer pressure still happens and i think is still even more rapidly used in a college setting than a high school setting as kids are starting to become adults. Just my two cents again. > > Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Zach, was definitely love to text with you about this. Because yes other things can happen cause in some instances, drinking can lead to other things. Don't want to say anything that would make anybody uncomfortable. So if you wish to talk so freak to give a call or let start shooting text messages back and forth. > > Joseph Hudson > > Email > > jhud7789 at gmail.com > > I device support > > Telephone > > 2543007667 > > Skype > > joseph.hudson89 facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > > Twitter > > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Thank you Amy, this is good information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the right circumstances I will try it out. Does anything more than drinking and dancing happen at these events? > > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Do you think you would enjoy this kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to plan to attend, but you should figure out safety strategies, and escape plans. > > > > 1. Only handle your own drink, and only let people you really *know* you can trust give you anything that's been opened. > > 2.Be sure you have a plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that you can carry out independently. This can be a friend you can call who Is not attending the party, knowledge of walking or public transit options for getting home under your own steam, or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > > 3. Remember all things in moderation. Socializing in any form has to balance with academics, self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't be afraid to try things that catch your attention, but don't let the balances fall too far to one side either.  Whether it is academics or social. To focus solely on academics is going to leave you missing a lot of learning opportunities that don't come in the classroom. > > > > Good luck, and enjoy your college career > > > > Amy Mason > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > Many people go to college for different reasons.  For me it is all about the academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I think you should politely decline this invitation.  It would be helpful for your sweet mates to have contact information for your host family. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > > > Disclaimer > > > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. 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To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 06:20:58 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. GriegoDreicer) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 01:20:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties Message-ID: <57c282cf.caa2810a.f52ad.2b1a@mx.google.com> thank you for the advice. This is definitely useful in planning if and when to go and how to go about it. Sent from my BrailleNote Touch On Aug 25, 2016 7:35 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I agree with everything that's been said so far. If you want to go to the party, by all means go, have fun. If you don't want to go to the party, or there's stuff going on that you're not comfortable with, don't feel pressured to take part. Being in college is all about figuring yourself out both academically and socially. I had a lot of trouble my first semester of college because it was the first time I had a social life and I didn't know how to balance schoolwork and friends. I never attended parties like the one you're talking about because my friends and I preferred to take advantage of the empty dorm to play dungeons and dragons and read each other our novels, so I can't speak to what goes on there, but some good advice I've heard is not only that you shouldn't let anyone else handle your drink, it's also a good idea to keep a hand over the top of your drink at all times when you're not drinking it, just in case  (I've heard this advice given to everyone, blind or sighted). Also, make sure you aren't depending on the people you go with to help you out or get you home or anything. If they're having fun and getting into anything you're not interested in getting into, you could be left in the cold for a way back to your suite. So make sure you can get home independently, again just in case. But like I said, if you want to go, go and have fun! > HTH, > Jameyanne > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Williams via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 7:59 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Justin Williams > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties > > I agree, attend that party. > It took me a few years to figure that out, but when I got right, I used to go to everyone's party.  I go all over the place now; this Saturday, I'm going down town to main street, and to the hispannic festival.  I wouldn't have gone to any of the community events, or had some of the wild adventures I've had if I hadn't learned how to socialize, and party, yes, I said it, party, while  in college.  > But, be careful, and don't feel you're under any pressure. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:55 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Anya Avramenko > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] college parties > > I'm sorry, but I strongly disagree with this advice! > Yes, college is about studying, but you shouldn't disregard your social life. You need to learn to branch out and make new friends and build useful connections for the future. > Unfortunately, some blind people turn out socially awkward and very naïve because, for a variety of reasons, they have not been  exposed to  the real world, and they often don't know how to deal  with life challenges effectively. College life can be very exciting outside of  classes, and it will  present you with many teachable moments. Your college experience should not be only about books  and exams, but also about fun times, activities with your friends, and various memories that you can retrieve when you get older. > College is the time in your life when you should break out of your shell and fully participate  in the world around you. > I strongly recommend you to definitely accept the  offer and attend a party! > A > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co > m > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2016 11:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer > Subject: [nabs-l] college parties > > Hi NABS, >    This is my 1st week of my 1st semester staying in a college dorm and I am really enjoying myself. I have 11 other suite mates who are all sighted, mostly Freshman and Sophomores like me. They do great at helping me out if/when I need help. The other night I was here and had the place mostly to myself with the exception of 3 or 4 of the suite mates. I found out that everyone else had got to a party at someone’s house and weren’t coming back until 1 or 2 in the morning. There was alcohol and dances at that party and I don’t know what else. The next day one of the suite mates approached me and said that she wanted me to experience a party like that, and my response to her was I’d consider if she had me do it safely and that I’d never gone to one before because I’d never been invited. So what have been your experiences at those kinds of parties if you have gone? I am here in Chicago  on exchange from another region, and it would make me feel better if my host family who is half an hour away and some of my suite mate had each others’ numbers in case something happened at a party and I was involved. Do you agree? Are such parties typically enjoyed by NFB folks? I am really not much of a person who drinks are there other things that happen at these kinds of parties? Aside from possible drunk driving on the parts of attendees is there other possible risks/consequences  to going?  If so  should I politely decline? Thank you in advance, and I hope you all are enjoying the new school year!:)   > Sent from my Macbook Pro 13 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 13:52:36 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 09:52:36 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws help please Message-ID: Can someone give me basic commands and where I can find training on jaws. I'm new to jaws. Thank you. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Aug 28 13:53:05 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 08:53:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kayla, I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do math and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all options, technical and nontechnical. Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs to be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have heard, it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize text better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it can be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be done, and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There is a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn to read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way from publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create printouts. . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. I am purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will help right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are in math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where math professionals deal with a lot of these topics. Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has already been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to master the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work better to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it probably isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with a reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to interact with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution rather than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With a little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can be done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, but your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know whether there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to start your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math course so you can investigate some of this. It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what I have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, it can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know more about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in mathematics. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kayla James Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math Hello, everyone, I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the year, but I want to do well. Kayla On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> What format are you using? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Keight Best >> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >> >> Hello everyone, >> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >> is >> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >> Thoughts >> appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Caitlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 14:03:46 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:03:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws help please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EED9487-4B81-4D1C-92BA-0B73D6417D2F@gmail.com> To go to the links list on your Internet hit insert plus F7 To jump by heading on the Internet press the letter H To open up the JAWS menu press insert plus J Oh so in that menu use your aero is it and there will be a menu hard training and that is where you will find instructions and training materials. If you have anymore questions please feel free to email me. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 09:52, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > > Can someone give me basic commands and where I can find training on jaws. I'm new to jaws. Thank you. > Emma > Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind > Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 14:10:16 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:10:16 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws help please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <039701d20135$e7317bc0$b5947340$@gmail.com> You jaws help ifles will have quite a few hotkeys. What jaws do you have? What windows to you have? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws help please Can someone give me basic commands and where I can find training on jaws. I'm new to jaws. Thank you. Emma Member of national association of blind students Maryland and Pennsylvania a division of the national federation of the blind Member of communications committee and legislative committees of NABS _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 15:59:51 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 10:59:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School started last Monday. On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: > Kayla, > > I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current > technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain > current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do math > and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all options, > technical and nontechnical. > > Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of > classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum > requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. > > First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs to > be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a > product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just > magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have > heard, > it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR > products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize text > better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it > can > be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be done, > and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There is > a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn to > read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way from > publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create printouts. > . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. I > am > purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will help > right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are in > math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where math > professionals deal with a lot of these topics. > > Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you > working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has already > been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille > skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to master > the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work better > to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it probably > isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with a > reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to interact > with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution rather > than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With a > little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan > your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that > approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for > reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can be > done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, but > your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know whether > there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to start > your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the > textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math course > so you can investigate some of this. > > It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what I > have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, it > can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know more > about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in > mathematics. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kayla James > Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math > > Hello, everyone, > I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can > scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? > I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. > I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up > to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. > I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the > year, but I want to do well. > > Kayla > > > > On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>> in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Aug 28 18:25:31 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:25:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91FEE9F9-B3DE-4AEC-836D-5308C13D453D@coe.edu> Actually, it is perfect that Steve responded! Because he was the resource I was going to Point you too. He mentioned the NFB math list on NFB.net. That is definitely a good resource. And they might have more answers to the questions you're looking for. If you were trying to learn the basics of Nemith,I believe there are some cheat sheets out there that you can use this for specific math symbols. Can you tell me what type of math class you're taking? Is it algebra? Geometry? If you let me know, I might be able to find something for you for learning Nemith. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and > my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to > take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a > note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used > the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School > started last Monday. > >> On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: >> Kayla, >> >> I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current >> technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain >> current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do math >> and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all options, >> technical and nontechnical. >> >> Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of >> classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum >> requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. >> >> First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs to >> be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a >> product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just >> magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have >> heard, >> it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR >> products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize text >> better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it >> can >> be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be done, >> and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There is >> a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn to >> read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way from >> publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create printouts. >> . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. I >> am >> purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will help >> right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are in >> math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where math >> professionals deal with a lot of these topics. >> >> Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you >> working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has already >> been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille >> skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to master >> the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work better >> to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it probably >> isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with a >> reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to interact >> with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution rather >> than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With a >> little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan >> your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that >> approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for >> reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can be >> done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, but >> your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know whether >> there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to start >> your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the >> textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math course >> so you can investigate some of this. >> >> It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what I >> have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, it >> can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know more >> about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in >> mathematics. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James >> via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Kayla James >> Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math >> >> Hello, everyone, >> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >> year, but I want to do well. >> >> Kayla >> >> >> >>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What format are you using? >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>> in >>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>>> is >>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>> Thoughts >>>> appreciated. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Caitlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co >> m >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co >> m >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 18:39:51 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:39:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: <91FEE9F9-B3DE-4AEC-836D-5308C13D453D@coe.edu> References: <91FEE9F9-B3DE-4AEC-836D-5308C13D453D@coe.edu> Message-ID: I know how to write in Nemeth. It's just trying to do it on my Apex is a bit difficult. It's an Elementary/Intermediate Algebra class. On 8/28/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Actually, it is perfect that Steve responded! Because he was the resource I > was going to Point you too. He mentioned the NFB math list on NFB.net. That > is definitely a good resource. And they might have more answers to the > questions you're looking for. If you were trying to learn the basics of > Nemith,I believe there are some cheat sheets out there that you can use this > for specific math symbols. Can you tell me what type of math class you're > taking? Is it algebra? Geometry? If you let me know, I might be able to find > something for you for learning Nemith. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and >> my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to >> take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a >> note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used >> the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School >> started last Monday. >> >>> On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: >>> Kayla, >>> >>> I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current >>> technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain >>> current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do >>> math >>> and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all >>> options, >>> technical and nontechnical. >>> >>> Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of >>> classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum >>> requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. >>> >>> First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs >>> to >>> be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a >>> product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just >>> magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have >>> heard, >>> it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR >>> products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize >>> text >>> better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it >>> can >>> be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be >>> done, >>> and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There >>> is >>> a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn >>> to >>> read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way >>> from >>> publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create >>> printouts. >>> . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. >>> I >>> am >>> purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will >>> help >>> right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are >>> in >>> math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where >>> math >>> professionals deal with a lot of these topics. >>> >>> Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you >>> working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has >>> already >>> been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille >>> skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to >>> master >>> the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work >>> better >>> to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it >>> probably >>> isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with >>> a >>> reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to >>> interact >>> with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution >>> rather >>> than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With >>> a >>> little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan >>> your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that >>> approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for >>> reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can >>> be >>> done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, >>> but >>> your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know >>> whether >>> there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to >>> start >>> your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the >>> textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math >>> course >>> so you can investigate some of this. >>> >>> It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what >>> I >>> have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, >>> it >>> can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know >>> more >>> about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in >>> mathematics. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Steve Jacobson >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Kayla James >>> Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math >>> >>> Hello, everyone, >>> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >>> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >>> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >>> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >>> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >>> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >>> year, but I want to do well. >>> >>> Kayla >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What format are you using? >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >>>>> Best >>>>> via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>>> in >>>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>>> Thoughts >>>>> appreciated. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Caitlin >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co >>> m >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Aug 28 18:45:51 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:45:51 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kaiti, I have never heard of cardio drumming before. So if the sports and recreation division had cardio drumming presentations at national convention this year, then it looks as though I totally missed out on them. However, if the sports and recreation division did indeed have cardio drumming presentations at national convention, I would imagine you might receive more useful feedback regarding cardio drumming by contacting the sports and recreation division. I believe the sports and recreation division has an email list, and I think this would be a great place to ask your questions about cardio drumming. It sounds like a really fun and interesting way to keep active and fit. I hope you can find a way to do it. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming Hi all, This year I'm going to focus on really bettering myself. I'm a part time student, am in the process of applying for part time work, and am really hoping to take advantage of the little extra free time I have to focus on self care. Last year I found that spin and yoga classes were pretty good at giving me something else away from music to do, since I do that all day long. However, now that I've done the classes and didn't see much change in the fitness routines throughout the semester I'm thinking I could just as easily spin and do the yoga routine on my own when I want. I have recently heard of cardio drumming and think it could be a fun way to combine working out with music. I found a studio near campus that offers the classes, and so long as they're not out of my budget by too much I'll probably go for it. I'm sure my percussion teacher for the semester will approve. :) I noticed that the sports and rec division had cardio drumming presentations at convention this summer. I'd be curious to hear what those of you who tried it thought of the exercise just so I know what to expect. I read online that it is highly adaptable and modifications make it easy for even older people and those with disabilities to do, but as that was on the studio web page I'm hoping for some less biased views. I hope that it will be fun and so long as the instructor is willing to work with me as needed, I think it could be interesting. Thanks, -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From discoduck221 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 19:21:07 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 15:21:07 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi There! Jessica Beecham was a major organizer of the wellness fair activities that happened at convention this year, and they did do cardio drumming. Jessica has a web site called http://www.wefitwellness.com where you can get information on anything from cardio drumming to yoga and more. They have a number where they can be reached by telephone, too, and Jess herself can be emailed at Jessica at wefitwellness.com As she's the We Fit Wellness director, she may be able to help you get more information. And, as Elizabeth suggested, I'm sure sports and rec can help, too. Hope this information was useful. On 8/28/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Kaiti, > > I have never heard of cardio drumming before. So if the sports and > recreation division had cardio drumming presentations at national convention > this year, then it looks as though I totally missed out on them. However, if > the sports and recreation division did indeed have cardio drumming > presentations at national convention, I would imagine you might receive more > useful feedback regarding cardio drumming by contacting the sports and > recreation division. I believe the sports and recreation division has an > email list, and I think this would be a great place to ask your questions > about cardio drumming. It sounds like a really fun and interesting way to > keep active and fit. I hope you can find a way to do it. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming > > Hi all, > > This year I'm going to focus on really bettering myself. I'm a part time > student, am in the process of applying for part time work, and am really > hoping to take advantage of the little extra free time I have to focus on > self care. > > Last year I found that spin and yoga classes were pretty good at giving me > something else away from music to do, since I do that all day long. > However, now that I've done the classes and didn't see much change in the > fitness routines throughout the semester I'm thinking I could just as easily > spin and do the yoga routine on my own when I want. I have recently heard > of cardio drumming and think it could be a fun way to combine working out > with music. I found a studio near campus that offers the classes, and so > long as they're not out of my budget by too much I'll probably go for it. > I'm sure my percussion teacher for the semester will approve. :) > > I noticed that the sports and rec division had cardio drumming presentations > at convention this summer. I'd be curious to hear what those of you who > tried it thought of the exercise just so I know what to expect. I read > online that it is highly adaptable and modifications make it easy for even > older people and those with disabilities to do, but as that was on the > studio web page I'm hoping for some less biased views. I hope that it will > be fun and so long as the instructor is willing to work with me as needed, I > think it could be interesting. > > Thanks, > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/discoduck221%40gmail.com > From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 19:36:21 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 13:36:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23F2DC45-4534-4D98-AC9C-506E31EB6571@gmail.com> Kayla, If you are having trouble doing the math on your braille note, perhaps using a Perkins brailler would work better? I'm not sure exactly what specific difficulty you are having, but it would certainly be easier for me to use the Perkins over a one line display. As far as a scanner for your book. Well the scanner shouldn't matter. But the OCR may or may not pick up symbols. With basic algebra it might do fine. You could try it and see how it goes. And if there are problems someone in your school's disability office should be able to edit it using the print copy of the book. My suggestion for now would be to use a tutor and a reader. These are excellent options, especially while you are trying to figure out how you want to access your textbook. How have you accessed your math books in the past? Please let me know if you have more questions. Anna E Givens > On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > I know how to write in Nemeth. It's just trying to do it on my Apex is > a bit difficult. It's an Elementary/Intermediate Algebra class. > > On 8/28/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >> Actually, it is perfect that Steve responded! Because he was the resource I >> was going to Point you too. He mentioned the NFB math list on NFB.net. That >> is definitely a good resource. And they might have more answers to the >> questions you're looking for. If you were trying to learn the basics of >> Nemith,I believe there are some cheat sheets out there that you can use this >> for specific math symbols. Can you tell me what type of math class you're >> taking? Is it algebra? Geometry? If you let me know, I might be able to find >> something for you for learning Nemith. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and >>> my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to >>> take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a >>> note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used >>> the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School >>> started last Monday. >>> >>>> On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Kayla, >>>> >>>> I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current >>>> technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain >>>> current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do >>>> math >>>> and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all >>>> options, >>>> technical and nontechnical. >>>> >>>> Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of >>>> classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum >>>> requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. >>>> >>>> First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs >>>> to >>>> be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a >>>> product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just >>>> magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have >>>> heard, >>>> it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR >>>> products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize >>>> text >>>> better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it >>>> can >>>> be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be >>>> done, >>>> and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There >>>> is >>>> a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn >>>> to >>>> read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way >>>> from >>>> publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create >>>> printouts. >>>> . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will >>>> help >>>> right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are >>>> in >>>> math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where >>>> math >>>> professionals deal with a lot of these topics. >>>> >>>> Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you >>>> working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has >>>> already >>>> been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille >>>> skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to >>>> master >>>> the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work >>>> better >>>> to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it >>>> probably >>>> isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with >>>> a >>>> reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to >>>> interact >>>> with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution >>>> rather >>>> than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With >>>> a >>>> little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan >>>> your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that >>>> approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for >>>> reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can >>>> be >>>> done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, >>>> but >>>> your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know >>>> whether >>>> there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to >>>> start >>>> your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the >>>> textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math >>>> course >>>> so you can investigate some of this. >>>> >>>> It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what >>>> I >>>> have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, >>>> it >>>> can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know >>>> more >>>> about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in >>>> mathematics. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Kayla James >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math >>>> >>>> Hello, everyone, >>>> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >>>> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >>>> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >>>> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >>>> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >>>> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >>>> year, but I want to do well. >>>> >>>> Kayla >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What format are you using? >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >>>>>> Best >>>>>> via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>>>> in >>>>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable >>>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>>>> Thoughts >>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Caitlin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com Anna E Givens > On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, everyone, > I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can > scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? > I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. > I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up > to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. > I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the > year, but I want to do well. > > Kayla > > > >> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Sun Aug 28 19:49:34 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:49:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kayla, Kenedy or others here can probably give you more specific advice on this since I am removed from the college scene, but I think your best bet is to concentrate on working with someone to go through your textbook at this point. Whether one calls that person a reader, a tutor, or maybe even a note-taker, doesn't matter. In general, it is really very difficult to count on being able to scan a math or statistics book effectively and have that be your only source. I'm not saying it is impossible, but ideally, one would check ahead of time to see if an accessible version is available from the publisher or from another source. Checking BookShare and Learning Ally is still not a bad idea just in case,. However, while you are doing that checking you need to look for other options for moving ahead before you get too far behind. If you are using a note-taker already, going through what was covered in class will make up some for not having the textbook right now. If your DSS office will not make a reader available even if your textbook is not available, it is possible that your state agency could still help although they will be reluctant to do so. As I understand it, Vocational Rehabilitation can still provide money for readers, but they don't like to do that and might need a lot of convincing. You might also be helped by contacting whatever tutoring services are available at your school, and possibly between tutoring services and your DSS office there might be a creative way to get the information from your textbook. Unfortunately, having to work all of this out after your class has started is not a simple matter. . You can likely still get through this course, but you will probably have to use a number of approaches at the same time to do it. Being certain to check whether your book is available in an accessible format from another source is probably the first thing to do if you have not done that already. Along those lines, if the same book is available from a source but it is an older edition, it is still likely worth using. I once got a copy of the fourth edition of a math book in braille and my instructor was using the fifth edition. I only found a couple of the exercises to be different. Good luck to you. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 11:00 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kayla James Subject: Re: [nabs-l] struggling with Math I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School started last Monday. On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: > Kayla, > > I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current > technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain > current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do math > and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all options, > technical and nontechnical. > > Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of > classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum > requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. > > First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs to > be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a > product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just > magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have > heard, > it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR > products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize text > better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it > can > be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be done, > and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There is > a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn to > read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way from > publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create printouts. > . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. I > am > purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will help > right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are in > math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where math > professionals deal with a lot of these topics. > > Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you > working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has already > been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille > skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to master > the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work better > to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it probably > isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with a > reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to interact > with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution rather > than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With a > little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan > your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that > approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for > reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can be > done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, but > your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know whether > there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to start > your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the > textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math course > so you can investigate some of this. > > It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what I > have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, it > can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know more > about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in > mathematics. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James > via > NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kayla James > Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math > > Hello, everyone, > I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can > scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? > I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. > I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up > to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. > I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the > year, but I want to do well. > > Kayla > > > > On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>> in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co > m >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co > m > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:32:43 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 20:32:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Kayla, I think the suggestions in this email message are all really great suggestions. The only additional suggestion I would make would be paring up with another student in the class to help out with the textbook and assignments outside of class. Since they are required to do this themselves, they may be willing to help out a fellow blind student along the way. Perhaps bringing some snacks or coffee to these peer study sessions can help serve as a form of payment to other students who help you if you cannot afford to pay them. And although this may not help with the actual problems you are required to do from the assigned textbook, it may be possible to receive the textual information that explains the concepts of the problems in other formats that are currently accessible. I would check Bookshare, Learning ally, as well as search Google for relevant math concepts that will be covered in your class. I did not schedule my classes very well, and I have found that I have been putting off my math classes for other classes that are more interesting and appealing to me. However, the one math class I have taken, I used a reader from the disabilities office to help me go through the textbook in a lab style class rather than a lecture style class. This is an class format that is available to all students on campus. I would say this would be like a structured independent study type format that is available at my college for students who need extra help with lower level math classes. Perhaps something like this might also be an option worth investigating before you get too far behind in your math class. I find it can be rather difficult to catch up in classes once I fall behind in them, and I have dropped a couple of classes after falling behind in them when I was not able to receive the accommodations I needed for the class in a timely manner. However, I would give all the suggestions mentioned here on the NABS email list before thinking about dropping the class. I know how frustrating math can be for anyone who feels as though they are not good at math. And math can even be more challenging for blind students. However, it sounds like you have a good foundation of blindness skills that will allow you to find the best way for you to complete your math class. I am sure with a lot of hard work and determination that you will be successful in passing this math class. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:50 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] struggling with Math Kayla, Kenedy or others here can probably give you more specific advice on this since I am removed from the college scene, but I think your best bet is to concentrate on working with someone to go through your textbook at this point. Whether one calls that person a reader, a tutor, or maybe even a note-taker, doesn't matter. In general, it is really very difficult to count on being able to scan a math or statistics book effectively and have that be your only source. I'm not saying it is impossible, but ideally, one would check ahead of time to see if an accessible version is available from the publisher or from another source. Checking BookShare and Learning Ally is still not a bad idea just in case,. However, while you are doing that checking you need to look for other options for moving ahead before you get too far behind. If you are using a note-taker already, going through what was covered in class will make up some for not having the textbook right now. If your DSS office will not make a reader available even if your textbook is not available, it is possible that your state agency could still help although they will be reluctant to do so. As I understand it, Vocational Rehabilitation can still provide money for readers, but they don't like to do that and might need a lot of convincing. You might also be helped by contacting whatever tutoring services are available at your school, and possibly between tutoring services and your DSS office there might be a creative way to get the information from your textbook. Unfortunately, having to work all of this out after your class has started is not a simple matter. . You can likely still get through this course, but you will probably have to use a number of approaches at the same time to do it. Being certain to check whether your book is available in an accessible format from another source is probably the first thing to do if you have not done that already. Along those lines, if the same book is available from a source but it is an older edition, it is still likely worth using. I once got a copy of the fourth edition of a math book in braille and my instructor was using the fifth edition. I only found a couple of the exercises to be different. Good luck to you. Best regards, Steve Jacobson From kskristen at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 20:58:26 2016 From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 15:58:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Kayla-- If you have any questions regarding Nemeth on the Apex, feel free to ask me. I've used it successfully in several math courses, and I like it because it eliminates the go-between errors of a sighted person interlining your work before it is graded. After you enter Nemeth mode with Backspace-N, there is a helpful symbolls directory by pressing Backspace-3-5. I would advocate with Disability Services for a Braille textbook to be transcribed. It is so much more accurate to be able to read equations in Braille. I've found that you can't depend on another student all the time, even with notetakers. I personally earn better grades when I read materials in Braille, and math adds the additional factor of new symbols. If you are most comfortable this way, too, don't let Disability Services decide your preferred method for you. Just my experiences; hopes this helps some! -- Kristen On 8/28/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > Hello Kayla, > > I think the suggestions in this email message are all really great > suggestions. The only additional suggestion I would make would be paring up > with another student in the class to help out with the textbook and > assignments outside of class. Since they are required to do this themselves, > they may be willing to help out a fellow blind student along the way. > Perhaps bringing some snacks or coffee to these peer study sessions can help > serve as a form of payment to other students who help you if you cannot > afford to pay them. > > And although this may not help with the actual problems you are required to > do from the assigned textbook, it may be possible to receive the textual > information that explains the concepts of the problems in other formats that > are currently accessible. I would check Bookshare, Learning ally, as well as > search Google for relevant math concepts that will be covered in your > class. > > I did not schedule my classes very well, and I have found that I have been > putting off my math classes for other classes that are more interesting and > appealing to me. However, the one math class I have taken, I used a reader > from the disabilities office to help me go through the textbook in a lab > style class rather than a lecture style class. This is an class format that > is available to all students on campus. I would say this would be like a > structured independent study type format that is available at my college for > students who need extra help with lower level math classes. Perhaps > something like this might also be an option worth investigating before you > get too far behind in your math class. > > I find it can be rather difficult to catch up in classes once I fall behind > in them, and I have dropped a couple of classes after falling behind in them > when I was not able to receive the accommodations I needed for the class in > a timely manner. However, I would give all the suggestions mentioned here on > the NABS email list before thinking about dropping the class. > > I know how frustrating math can be for anyone who feels as though they are > not good at math. And math can even be more challenging for blind students. > However, it sounds like you have a good foundation of blindness skills that > will allow you to find the best way for you to complete your math class. I > am sure with a lot of hard work and determination that you will be > successful in passing this math class. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:50 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] struggling with Math > > Kayla, > > Kenedy or others here can probably give you more specific advice on this > since I am removed from the college scene, but I think your best bet is to > concentrate on working with someone to go through your textbook at this > point. Whether one calls that person a reader, a tutor, or maybe even a > note-taker, doesn't matter. In general, it is really very difficult to > count on being able to scan a math or statistics book effectively and have > that be your only source. I'm not saying it is impossible, but ideally, one > would check ahead of time to see if an accessible version is available from > the publisher or from another source. Checking BookShare and Learning Ally > is still not a bad idea just in case,. However, while you are doing that > checking you need to look for other options for moving ahead before you get > too far behind. If you are using a note-taker already, going through what > was covered in class will make up some for not having the textbook right > now. If your DSS office will not make a reader available even if your > textbook is not available, it is possible that your state agency could still > help although they will be reluctant to do so. As I understand it, > Vocational Rehabilitation can still provide money for readers, but they > don't like to do that and might need a lot of convincing. You might also be > helped by contacting whatever tutoring services are available at your > school, and possibly between tutoring services and your DSS office there > might be a creative way to get the information from your textbook. > Unfortunately, having to work all of this out after your class has started > is not a simple matter. . You can likely still get through this course, > but you will probably have to use a number of approaches at the same time to > do it. Being certain to check whether your book is available in an > accessible format from another source is probably the first thing to do if > you have not done that already. Along those lines, if the same book is > available from a source but it is an older edition, it is still likely worth > using. I once got a copy of the fourth edition of a math book in braille > and my instructor was using the fifth edition. I only found a couple of the > exercises to be different. > > Good luck to you. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com > From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:15:31 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:15:31 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: <23F2DC45-4534-4D98-AC9C-506E31EB6571@gmail.com> References: <23F2DC45-4534-4D98-AC9C-506E31EB6571@gmail.com> Message-ID: Another thing that could work, is somebody in the disability office record your math assignment and send it to you. This way you can do your math on the Brailler or the Braille note, but you won't have to worry about the excess ability of the book Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 3:36 PM, Anna via NABS-L wrote: > > Kayla, > If you are having trouble doing the math on your braille note, perhaps using a Perkins brailler would work better? > I'm not sure exactly what specific difficulty you are having, but it would certainly be easier for me to use the Perkins over a one line display. > As far as a scanner for your book. Well the scanner shouldn't matter. But the OCR may or may not pick up symbols. With basic algebra it might do fine. You could try it and see how it goes. And if there are problems someone in your school's disability office should be able to edit it using the print copy of the book. > My suggestion for now would be to use a tutor and a reader. These are excellent options, especially while you are trying to figure out how you want to access your textbook. > How have you accessed your math books in the past? > Please let me know if you have more questions. > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I know how to write in Nemeth. It's just trying to do it on my Apex is >> a bit difficult. It's an Elementary/Intermediate Algebra class. >> >> On 8/28/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >>> Actually, it is perfect that Steve responded! Because he was the resource I >>> was going to Point you too. He mentioned the NFB math list on NFB.net. That >>> is definitely a good resource. And they might have more answers to the >>> questions you're looking for. If you were trying to learn the basics of >>> Nemith,I believe there are some cheat sheets out there that you can use this >>> for specific math symbols. Can you tell me what type of math class you're >>> taking? Is it algebra? Geometry? If you let me know, I might be able to find >>> something for you for learning Nemith. >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> >>>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and >>>> my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to >>>> take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a >>>> note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used >>>> the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School >>>> started last Monday. >>>> >>>>> On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Kayla, >>>>> >>>>> I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current >>>>> technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain >>>>> current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do >>>>> math >>>>> and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all >>>>> options, >>>>> technical and nontechnical. >>>>> >>>>> Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of >>>>> classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum >>>>> requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. >>>>> >>>>> First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs >>>>> to >>>>> be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a >>>>> product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just >>>>> magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have >>>>> heard, >>>>> it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR >>>>> products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize >>>>> text >>>>> better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it >>>>> can >>>>> be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be >>>>> done, >>>>> and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There >>>>> is >>>>> a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn >>>>> to >>>>> read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way >>>>> from >>>>> publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create >>>>> printouts. >>>>> . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. >>>>> I >>>>> am >>>>> purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will >>>>> help >>>>> right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are >>>>> in >>>>> math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where >>>>> math >>>>> professionals deal with a lot of these topics. >>>>> >>>>> Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you >>>>> working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has >>>>> already >>>>> been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille >>>>> skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to >>>>> master >>>>> the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work >>>>> better >>>>> to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it >>>>> probably >>>>> isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with >>>>> a >>>>> reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to >>>>> interact >>>>> with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution >>>>> rather >>>>> than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With >>>>> a >>>>> little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan >>>>> your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that >>>>> approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for >>>>> reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can >>>>> be >>>>> done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, >>>>> but >>>>> your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know >>>>> whether >>>>> there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to >>>>> start >>>>> your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the >>>>> textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math >>>>> course >>>>> so you can investigate some of this. >>>>> >>>>> It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what >>>>> I >>>>> have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, >>>>> it >>>>> can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know >>>>> more >>>>> about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in >>>>> mathematics. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Steve Jacobson >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James >>>>> via >>>>> NABS-L >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>>> Cc: Kayla James >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math >>>>> >>>>> Hello, everyone, >>>>> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >>>>> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >>>>> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >>>>> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >>>>> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >>>>> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >>>>> year, but I want to do well. >>>>> >>>>> Kayla >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>>>>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What format are you using? >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >>>>>>> Best >>>>>>> via >>>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>>>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>>>>> Thoughts >>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Caitlin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>>>> .com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co >>>>> m >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, everyone, >> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >> year, but I want to do well. >> >> Kayla >> >> >> >>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> What format are you using? >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>>> is >>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>> Thoughts >>>> appreciated. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Caitlin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 21:17:46 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:17:46 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8707571F-C3A1-4E6B-8A0A-1B07C8124A48@gmail.com> Don't worry, I feel like I'm in the same boat as you. Math is been frustrating since I've lost my feeling my fingers, but the suggestions are very good. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 4:32 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Kayla, > > I think the suggestions in this email message are all really great suggestions. The only additional suggestion I would make would be paring up with another student in the class to help out with the textbook and assignments outside of class. Since they are required to do this themselves, they may be willing to help out a fellow blind student along the way. Perhaps bringing some snacks or coffee to these peer study sessions can help serve as a form of payment to other students who help you if you cannot afford to pay them. > > And although this may not help with the actual problems you are required to do from the assigned textbook, it may be possible to receive the textual information that explains the concepts of the problems in other formats that are currently accessible. I would check Bookshare, Learning ally, as well as search Google for relevant math concepts that will be covered in your class. > > I did not schedule my classes very well, and I have found that I have been putting off my math classes for other classes that are more interesting and appealing to me. However, the one math class I have taken, I used a reader from the disabilities office to help me go through the textbook in a lab style class rather than a lecture style class. This is an class format that is available to all students on campus. I would say this would be like a structured independent study type format that is available at my college for students who need extra help with lower level math classes. Perhaps something like this might also be an option worth investigating before you get too far behind in your math class. > > I find it can be rather difficult to catch up in classes once I fall behind in them, and I have dropped a couple of classes after falling behind in them when I was not able to receive the accommodations I needed for the class in a timely manner. However, I would give all the suggestions mentioned here on the NABS email list before thinking about dropping the class. > > I know how frustrating math can be for anyone who feels as though they are not good at math. And math can even be more challenging for blind students. However, it sounds like you have a good foundation of blindness skills that will allow you to find the best way for you to complete your math class. I am sure with a lot of hard work and determination that you will be successful in passing this math class. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 3:50 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Cc: Steve Jacobson > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] struggling with Math > > Kayla, > > Kenedy or others here can probably give you more specific advice on this since I am removed from the college scene, but I think your best bet is to concentrate on working with someone to go through your textbook at this point. Whether one calls that person a reader, a tutor, or maybe even a note-taker, doesn't matter. In general, it is really very difficult to count on being able to scan a math or statistics book effectively and have that be your only source. I'm not saying it is impossible, but ideally, one would check ahead of time to see if an accessible version is available from the publisher or from another source. Checking BookShare and Learning Ally is still not a bad idea just in case,. However, while you are doing that checking you need to look for other options for moving ahead before you get too far behind. If you are using a note-taker already, going through what was covered in class will make up some for not having the textbook right now. If your DSS office will not make a reader available even if your textbook is not available, it is possible that your state agency could still help although they will be reluctant to do so. As I understand it, Vocational Rehabilitation can still provide money for readers, but they don't like to do that and might need a lot of convincing. You might also be helped by contacting whatever tutoring services are available at your school, and possibly between tutoring services and your DSS office there might be a creative way to get the information from your textbook. > Unfortunately, having to work all of this out after your class has started is not a simple matter. . You can likely still get through this course, but you will probably have to use a number of approaches at the same time to do it. Being certain to check whether your book is available in an accessible format from another source is probably the first thing to do if you have not done that already. Along those lines, if the same book is available from a source but it is an older edition, it is still likely worth using. I once got a copy of the fourth edition of a math book in braille and my instructor was using the fifth edition. I only found a couple of the exercises to be different. > > Good luck to you. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Aug 28 21:27:06 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 16:27:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: <91FEE9F9-B3DE-4AEC-836D-5308C13D453D@coe.edu> Message-ID: <4BFC8588-B1D4-4AA5-809B-23F79A5AE5E4@coe.edu> Oh OK! Sorry, I didn't realize that that was the problem. I think with Kristen suggested is probably the best thing. I'm honestly not sure, as I have never used an apex. Having a reader might also be a good idea, although I get it if that's not your preferred method. If DSS will not hire one for you, you may be able to pay a reader by taking them out to lunch or providing snacks or coffee at your at your sessions as Elizabeth suggested. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 28, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > I know how to write in Nemeth. It's just trying to do it on my Apex is > a bit difficult. It's an Elementary/Intermediate Algebra class. > > On 8/28/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >> Actually, it is perfect that Steve responded! Because he was the resource I >> was going to Point you too. He mentioned the NFB math list on NFB.net. That >> is definitely a good resource. And they might have more answers to the >> questions you're looking for. If you were trying to learn the basics of >> Nemith,I believe there are some cheat sheets out there that you can use this >> for specific math symbols. Can you tell me what type of math class you're >> taking? Is it algebra? Geometry? If you let me know, I might be able to find >> something for you for learning Nemith. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Aug 28, 2016, at 10:59 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am already in the Math class. It's my first college Math class and >>> my first one without Braille books and tactile aids. I only intend to >>> take any minimum required Math. Disability services said I'd get a >>> note taker, but they don't do readers for textbooks. So far, I've used >>> the scanner and WindowEyes at school to scan my work this week. School >>> started last Monday. >>> >>>> On 8/28/16, Steve Jacobson via NABS-L wrote: >>>> Kayla, >>>> >>>> I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current >>>> technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain >>>> current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do >>>> math >>>> and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all >>>> options, >>>> technical and nontechnical. >>>> >>>> Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of >>>> classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum >>>> requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. >>>> >>>> First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs >>>> to >>>> be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a >>>> product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just >>>> magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have >>>> heard, >>>> it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR >>>> products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize >>>> text >>>> better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it >>>> can >>>> be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be >>>> done, >>>> and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There >>>> is >>>> a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn >>>> to >>>> read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way >>>> from >>>> publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create >>>> printouts. >>>> . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. >>>> I >>>> am >>>> purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will >>>> help >>>> right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are >>>> in >>>> math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where >>>> math >>>> professionals deal with a lot of these topics. >>>> >>>> Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you >>>> working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has >>>> already >>>> been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille >>>> skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to >>>> master >>>> the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work >>>> better >>>> to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it >>>> probably >>>> isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with >>>> a >>>> reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to >>>> interact >>>> with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution >>>> rather >>>> than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With >>>> a >>>> little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan >>>> your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that >>>> approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for >>>> reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can >>>> be >>>> done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, >>>> but >>>> your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know >>>> whether >>>> there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to >>>> start >>>> your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the >>>> textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math >>>> course >>>> so you can investigate some of this. >>>> >>>> It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what >>>> I >>>> have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, >>>> it >>>> can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know >>>> more >>>> about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in >>>> mathematics. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve Jacobson >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James >>>> via >>>> NABS-L >>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>>> Cc: Kayla James >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math >>>> >>>> Hello, everyone, >>>> I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >>>> scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >>>> I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >>>> I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >>>> to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >>>> I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >>>> year, but I want to do well. >>>> >>>> Kayla >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> What format are you using? >>>>>> Justin >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >>>>>> Best >>>>>> via >>>>>> NABS-L >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: Keight Best >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>>>>> in >>>>>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>>>>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable >>>>>> it >>>>>> is >>>>>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>>>>> Thoughts >>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Caitlin >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>>>> .com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co >>>> m >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Aug 28 21:35:55 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 14:35:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] college parties In-Reply-To: <57c280dc.c42e810a.d2cd1.275d@mx.google.com> References: <57c280dc.c42e810a.d2cd1.275d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Afternoon, Zachary, Yes, at most parties depending on the crowd all kinds of greatt fun do happen. You might like really Boozin' it up or, like me, you'll find that the drink appeals not to your sensibilities and you'd much rather smoke the party. (I.E) a joint or a couple of pipe tokes. Car a At 11:12 PM 8/27/2016, Zachary N. GriegoDreicer via NABS-L wrote: >thanks for the clarification! I thought it was >something like this but it's always good to cl >arify. Sent from my BrailleNote Touch On Aug 25, >2016 3:56 PM, amazing tech via NABS-L > wrote: > > Listers, > Let me >be clear in my last statement I said don't go. >Zach, you are more than welcome to go if you >want. Just have safety measures in place and >don't let others peer pressure you into drinking >or drugs or even unprotected sex. You may think >that all college students are grown up enough to >understand this fact even sighted ones however, >peer pressure still happens and i think is still >even more rapidly used in a college setting than >a high school setting as kids are starting to >become adults. Just my two cents again. > > >Thanks, > Aaron Linson > CEO Linson >Productions. > CEO Blind Faith Project > > > On >Aug 25, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Hudson via >NABS-L wrote: > > > > Zach, >was definitely love to text with you about this. >Because yes other things can happen cause in >some instances, drinking can lead to other >things. Don't want to say anything that would >make anybody uncomfortable. So if you wish to >talk so freak to give a call or let start >shooting text messages back and forth. > > >Joseph Hudson > > Email > > >jhud7789 at gmail.com > > > I device support > > Telephone > > >2543007667 > > Skype > > joseph.hudson89 >facebook > > >https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > > >Twitter > > >https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > >FaceTime/iMessage > > >jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Zachary N. >Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L >> >wrote: > > > > Thank you Amy, this is good >information to be reminded of. Perhaps under the >right circumstances I will try it out. Does >anything more than drinking and dancing happen >at these events? > > Sent from my Macbook Pro >13 > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 09:15, Mason, Amy >via NABS-L >> >wrote: > > > > Do you think you would enjoy this >kind of party? If you do, then it's all right to >plan to attend, but you should figure out safety >strategies, and escape plans. > > > > 1. Only >handle your own drink, and only let people you >really *know* you can trust give you anything >that's been opened. > > 2.Be sure you have a >plan for leaving if you get uncomfortable that >you can carry out independently. This can be a >friend you can call who Is not attending the >party, knowledge of walking or public transit >options for getting home under your own steam, >or a service like Uber, Lyft, or a taxi. > > 3. >Remember all things in moderation. Socializing >in any form has to balance with academics, >self-care, and any employment obligations. Don't >be afraid to try things that catch your >attention, but don't let the balances fall too >far to one side either. Whether it is >academics or social. To focus solely on >academics is going to leave you missing a lot of >learning opportunities that don't come in the >classroom. > > > > Good luck, and enjoy your >college career > > > > Amy Mason > > > > Sent >from my iPhone > > > > On Aug 25, 2016, at 8:12 >AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >> >wrote: > > > > Many people go to college for >different reasons. For me it is all about the >academics and social life comes afterward. Yes I >think you should politely decline this >invitation. It would be helpful for your sweet >mates to have contact information for your host >family. > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > > > > Disclaimer > > > > The information >contained in this communication from the sender >is confidential. It is intended solely for use >by the recipient and others authorized to >receive it. 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To find out more visit >the Mimecast website. > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > >NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Aug 28 23:35:55 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 19:35:55 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01d20184$ecc351e0$c649f5a0$@gmail.com> Hello, I have a blind high school student I'm currently assisting in procuring math tutors. Yet, I'd like him to be able to communicate with others who have successfully navigated math courses. I'll be pointing him to the Math list Steve mentioned, but if there are any willing volunteers to correspond with my young mentee, I'd be much appreciative. Please write to me off list so that I can make the connections. Thank you kindly in advance. Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 9:53 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] struggling with Math Kayla, I majored in math many years ago before we had much of the current technology, but my interest in math has continued so I try to remain current. I say this partly to let you know that blind people can do math and also to make the point that one sometimes has to look at all options, technical and nontechnical. Are you interested in math in a way that will cause you to take a lot of classes, or is your goal going to be to just get through the minimum requirements? That will affect how you go about addressing this. First, to answer your specific question, it isn't the scanner that needs to be able to deal with math, rather it is the OCR software. There is a product for scanning math but it is quite expensive, and it doesn't just magically give you a perfectly accessible textbook. From what I have heard, it is sometimes necessary to use that product together with other OCR products to get one accessible copy because other products recognize text better. In addition, there are issues of how to display math so that it can be read by a screen reader and/or a Braille Note. All of this can be done, and people who are heavily involved in math do this successfully. There is a mathematical typesetting language called Latex, and many people learn to read that language directly and can get copies of math tests that way from publishers, and some of us have learned to write LATEX to create printouts. . There is something called MATHML that can be made to be accessible. I am purposely not going into more detail because I don't think that will help right now, but I want you to know why it matters how interested you are in math. We even have a separate list called BlindMath on NFBNET where math professionals deal with a lot of these topics. Having said all of this, what does this mean for you right now? Are you working with a disabled Students' office on your campus? What has already been done to find out what is available for you? How are your braille skills in general? I would caution you against feeling you have to master the entire Nemeth Code to take a required math course, it would work better to learn the basics and then what you need as you go. Although it probably isn't a preferred approach, it is possible to learn math by working with a reader or even a audio recording if it is done well. Learning to interact with someone to read the text might be a better short term solution rather than trying to understand some of the processes I mentioned above. With a little lead time, there are places that might be able to braille or scan your math books if you are almost ready to start a math course. In that approach, knowing enough Nemeth Code so you can take some notes for reviewing later will help very much. Getting math books in braille can be done with some lead time. This is getting harder to have done, though, but your Disabled Students' Office or even your state agency may know whether there are any agencies that you can work with. If you are going to start your first math class in a week but have no idea how to handle the textbooks, you might need to find a way to put off taking your math course so you can investigate some of this. It is very natural to be scared of facing something new, and I know what I have written here probably doesn't make you feel much better. However, it can be done, and I and others can make better suggestions if we know more about what you've already done and how interested you are going to be in mathematics. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla James via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 11:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kayla James Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math Hello, everyone, I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the year, but I want to do well. Kayla On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >> >> wrote: >> >> What format are you using? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight >> Best via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Keight Best >> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >> >> Hello everyone, >> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you >> use in order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor >> of mine recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how >> accessible/usable it is with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, >> with seems to work fine. >> Thoughts >> appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Caitlin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.co m > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Aug 28 23:55:54 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 18:55:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a difficult area, and I don't know much about it. We do have a very good list, on the server, blind math, with some of the world's leading experts on it. I would ask there. To subscribe either go to http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindmath_nfbnet.org or send e-mail to blindmath-request at nfbnet.org and put the word subscribe on the subject line. Dave At 11:23 PM 8/27/2016, you wrote: >Hello, everyone, >I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can >scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? >I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. >I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up >to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. >I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the >year, but I want to do well. > >Kayla > > > >On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: > > Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L > >> wrote: > >> > >> What format are you using? > >> Justin > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best > >> via > >> NABS-L > >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > >> Cc: Keight Best > >> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites > >> > >> Hello everyone, > >> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in > >> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine > >> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it > >> is > >> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. > >> Thoughts > >> appreciated. > >> Cheers, > >> Caitlin From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 00:23:57 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:23:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Play Books Message-ID: <57c380b5.8a93620a.c645f.b1ba@mx.google.com> Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the IPhone app Google Play Books, and how much luck they have had with it. I have a few books not available on Bookshare which I potentially use Google Play Books for. I would be using it with my phone paired with my Apex. The problem is that when I open up the book, every single word is on its own line, which is obviously a hassle to scroll down. Has anyone had this problem or know if there is a way to fix this? Thanks, Vejas From betatester329 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 00:44:15 2016 From: betatester329 at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 17:44:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] i swapped all my appss Message-ID: <57c38591.8a14620a.9c13a.b953@mx.google.com> Hi, I swapped all my apps on my iphone 5 running ios 10 beta 7. I am currently doing a DFU mode restore with itunes to resolve this problem. Is there any way with voiceover to move all my apps back without a restore? From filerime at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 02:30:17 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:30:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites In-Reply-To: <45010160-4909-41F1-A7BF-C7D1E0D8D627@coe.edu> References: <02ec01d200c6$b5e7aef0$21b70cd0$@gmail.com> <45010160-4909-41F1-A7BF-C7D1E0D8D627@coe.edu> Message-ID: I use refworks as well. it is a pretty professional one. One of my blind friends uses endnot and it seems accessible as well. I also use epsco, it is more practical than refworks but not that much professional. it does not create bibliography but it gives you full citation. 2016-08-28 1:09 GMT-04:00, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L : > For me, I think it kind of depends on what it is I'm siding. If you are > trying to cite a peer-reviewed article, you may be able to search for it on > Google scholar. If you scroll down after the link to the article, they will > be a site button you click on that and then click on the link for the > citation style you want to, and give you the citation. If you were trying to > cite a book or something similar to that, Purdue online writing Lab might be > the best option. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 27, 2016, at 8:53 PM, Caitlin Best via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use >>> in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 02:31:30 2016 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant) Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2016 22:31:30 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] i swapped all my appss In-Reply-To: <57c38591.8a14620a.9c13a.b953@mx.google.com> References: <57c38591.8a14620a.9c13a.b953@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, the only way to do this is restore from iTunes or iCloud back up. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 28, 2016, at 8:44 PM, petras via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, I swapped all my apps on my iphone 5 running ios 10 beta 7. I am currently doing a DFU mode restore with itunes to resolve this problem. Is there any way with voiceover to move all my apps back without a restore? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From mausbun at unr.edu Mon Aug 29 03:27:00 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 03:27:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Call to Action Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012E62EE@UBOX1.unr.edu> Dear Fellow Federationists: As you are no doubt aware, the House Bill 2264, Space Available, was successfully added into the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA); unfortunately, the senate bill S.2596 was not incorporated into the senate NDAA. As a result, a conference committee will be formulated in order to resolve the differences between the two versions of the NDAA. We must thank Chairman Thornberry for his efforts in ensuring equal access to air travel for our service-disabled veterans, so he will continue to push for the inclusion of the house bill's language into the conferenced NDAA. Please fill out this short, two-minute letter to show our support, and to thank the chairmen: https://nfb.org/thank-you-thornberry Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality! Respectfully yours in the movement, Michael Ausbun, Secretary Chairmen, Legislative committee From carinanunez97 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 12:15:46 2016 From: carinanunez97 at gmail.com (Carina Nunez) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 06:15:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Webassign Message-ID: Does anyone know if A website called Webassign is compatible with JAWS? From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 13:00:52 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:00:52 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] struggling with Math In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kayla. You may want to see if your vocational rehab agency can connect you with someone who can produce the book in Braille. Last semester, I got connected with someone who produced the book in the order of which I needed it instead of the whole textbook. I sent her a print copy of the book and the syllabus, and she brailled the sections that I needed. From my experience, the notetakers are great for producing math, but not so much for reading math. Depending on what you're doing, you can do a lot of algebra horizontally so having one line does not become so much of a problem. However, I shouldn't say that for everyone because I have a 32 cell braille display, so only having an 18 cell would make most likely make things more difficult. I would use a combination of your perkins brailler, apex, and a human reader. From my experience, if your professor sends you a document with math symbols, your notetaker will either translate everything into UEB math, which is rather annoying or or computer braille. I called Hims tech support one time, and they said that it would only translate into Nemeth if your professor manually went into the ribbon and selected the symbol that he or she wanted to type when typing the document which is quite time consuming on their part. My best suggestion would be changing the device's setting off of UEB while doing math and learn to deal with computer braille. Basically, your numbers will be dropped without a number sign and the equals sign is a full cell. You can then use a reader to help you decipher your professor's notes when your having trouble doing this with your apex. Hope this helps. > On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:23 AM, Kayla James via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, everyone, > I'm struggling in Math a little. Does any know of scanners that can > scan textbooks and pick up the Math symbols? > I have a BrailleNote Apex. I'm still trying to work out the Nemeth code. > I also have a MacBook Air. If there are any scanners that can hook up > to it that anyone knows of, please let me know. > I could really use the help. I'm scared, because it's so early in the > year, but I want to do well. > > Kayla > > > >> On 8/27/16, Caitlin Best via NABS-L wrote: >> Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> What format are you using? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best >>> via >>> NABS-L >>> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>> Cc: Keight Best >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites >>> >>> Hello everyone, >>> I hope you are doing well. I am curious to know which websites you use in >>> order to cite materials and create bibliographies. A professor of mine >>> recommended Zotero, but I am not entirely sure how accessible/usable it >>> is >>> with JAWS. Currently, I am using RefWorks, with seems to work fine. >>> Thoughts >>> appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Caitlin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bestca21%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From Amason at nfb.org Mon Aug 29 13:36:42 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 13:36:42 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Webassign In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you having problems trying to access it? What issues are you encountering. Feel free to take this off list if you wish. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carina Nunez via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 8:16 AM To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org Cc: Carina Nunez Subject: [nabs-l] Webassign Does anyone know if A website called Webassign is compatible with JAWS? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From ligne14 at verizon.net Mon Aug 29 17:25:34 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 09:25:34 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Citation Sites Message-ID: <0OCO005VCIYNQH30@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, I don't if you guys realized this, but there's a cool feature " Microsoft Word where you can either copy-paste or manually enter the name of a web page, as well as cite and source it. If you're using the ribbons, (either real or virtual,) you can scroll down to citations and bibliographies (which, if you press the left or right arrow keys, is located in the references tab), then click on manage sources, then tab down to create new source. There, you'll find all the text fields and selection lists that you'll need to fill in to create your citation. For example, it will ask you if you want it to be the name of a website, book, or any other kind of document from a variety of selections. It will also ask you if you want to do it in APA or MLA, the date, author, publisher, name of URL, (or title if it's a book or other document), etc. I learned about this feature last year from my technology instructor at the blindness training center that I went for my gap year between high school and college. My instructor felt that it was really important for me to learn about this feature in Word as it would strongly help and benefit me in college. I hope you're all enjoying the start to your college semesters. Thanks, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: Chicago manual of style 15 and 16 editions. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 27, 2016, at 17:54, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: What format are you using? Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Keight Best via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list References: Message-ID: Hi all, I did figure that I should contact the sports and rec division and am asking around there as well in addition to asking on this list for perspectives from fitness lay-people like myself. However, I didn't know Jessica Beecham was one of the main people behind the presentations or about her web site, and it seems like she'd be a really good source of information I should try. Thanks for the contact info. Thanks, and if anyone did have any personal experience with the cardio drumming either at convention or just as a student doing it locally, I'd still like to hear about it. On 8/28/16, David Dunphy via NABS-L wrote: > Hi There! > Jessica Beecham was a major organizer of the wellness fair activities > that happened at convention this year, and they did do cardio > drumming. > Jessica has a web site called > http://www.wefitwellness.com > where you can get information on anything from cardio drumming to yoga and > more. > They have a number where they can be reached by telephone, too, and > Jess herself can be emailed at > Jessica at wefitwellness.com > As she's the We Fit Wellness director, she may be able to help you get > more information. And, as Elizabeth suggested, I'm sure sports and rec > can help, too. > Hope this information was useful. > > On 8/28/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: >> Hello Kaiti, >> >> I have never heard of cardio drumming before. So if the sports and >> recreation division had cardio drumming presentations at national >> convention >> this year, then it looks as though I totally missed out on them. However, >> if >> the sports and recreation division did indeed have cardio drumming >> presentations at national convention, I would imagine you might receive >> more >> useful feedback regarding cardio drumming by contacting the sports and >> recreation division. I believe the sports and recreation division has an >> email list, and I think this would be a great place to ask your questions >> about cardio drumming. It sounds like a really fun and interesting way to >> keep active and fit. I hope you can find a way to do it. >> >> Warm regards, >> Elizabeth >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 2:40 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >> Cc: Kaiti Shelton >> Subject: [nabs-l] Cardio Drumming >> >> Hi all, >> >> This year I'm going to focus on really bettering myself. I'm a part time >> student, am in the process of applying for part time work, and am really >> hoping to take advantage of the little extra free time I have to focus on >> self care. >> >> Last year I found that spin and yoga classes were pretty good at giving >> me >> something else away from music to do, since I do that all day long. >> However, now that I've done the classes and didn't see much change in the >> fitness routines throughout the semester I'm thinking I could just as >> easily >> spin and do the yoga routine on my own when I want. I have recently >> heard >> of cardio drumming and think it could be a fun way to combine working out >> with music. I found a studio near campus that offers the classes, and so >> long as they're not out of my budget by too much I'll probably go for it. >> I'm sure my percussion teacher for the semester will approve. :) >> >> I noticed that the sports and rec division had cardio drumming >> presentations >> at convention this summer. I'd be curious to hear what those of you who >> tried it thought of the exercise just so I know what to expect. I read >> online that it is highly adaptable and modifications make it easy for >> even >> older people and those with disabilities to do, but as that was on the >> studio web page I'm hoping for some less biased views. I hope that it >> will >> be fun and so long as the instructor is willing to work with me as needed, >> I >> think it could be interesting. >> >> Thanks, >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/discoduck221%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 20:05:53 2016 From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan Torres) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:05:53 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class Message-ID: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan From Amason at nfb.org Mon Aug 29 20:25:31 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 20:25:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Google Play Books In-Reply-To: <57c380b5.8a93620a.c645f.b1ba@mx.google.com> References: <57c380b5.8a93620a.c645f.b1ba@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you are looking for text books, you may have better luck on Vital Source. If you are looking for more leisure titles, you are likely going to have better luck via Apple's iBooks. Google Play books has some problems with Braille in the current version, and unfortunately, I don't think I've heard of a work around. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2016 8:24 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Google Play Books Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has any experience with the IPhone app Google Play Books, and how much luck they have had with it. I have a few books not available on Bookshare which I potentially use Google Play Books for. I would be using it with my phone paired with my Apex. The problem is that when I open up the book, every single word is on its own line, which is obviously a hassle to scroll down. Has anyone had this problem or know if there is a way to fix this? Thanks, Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From annajee82 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:05:40 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 16:05:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I took a few semesters of Spanish. I don't know if you are a braille reader, but if so, I would highly recommend using that since you are learning a ton of new words and will need to spell things out. Using a tutor and or reader was a really good resource for me as well. Powerpoints can be read with JAWS quite easily, and alt text can be put into any images so that a screen reader can read a description of the image. In a language class they like to show pictures of things to learn vocabulary so that students can have different ways to associate words with objects or actions instead of just associating words with the comparative word in English. It's just an additional way of learning. So on a powerpoint if there is a picture of a classroom with a desk, a chair, a pencil, and a notebook, and students are supposed to name the pictures using German vocabulary, the description could give clues to what objects are in the image without actually naming them. Or it could just name them. As long as you are learning the German words then you've met the objective. For me, I find that I learn best on my own reading the book at home before class. Then I can go to class and follow the powerpoints more easily because I am already familiar with the material. Or If I don't have to follow the powerpoints in class, I don't. I just listen and take notes to the best of my ability. There are settings in JAWS and in MS word to use other languages. You would have to look up how to set that but that is an option if it would make things easier. Hope that helps. Anna E Givens > On Aug 29, 2016, at 2:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Aug 29 22:21:38 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:21:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4091A06E-097C-4F64-9FEF-2226E677A714@coe.edu> Hello, I have never taken introductory German, but I did take introductory French. I can't speak for anyone else. I got a tutor, because I'm really bad at four languages. It had nothing to do with my being blind. As for power points, I am told that it is relatively easy for professors to convert them into PDFs. I would email your professors and ask if this is something they could do. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 29, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:37:31 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 17:37:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <4091A06E-097C-4F64-9FEF-2226E677A714@coe.edu> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <4091A06E-097C-4F64-9FEF-2226E677A714@coe.edu> Message-ID: Hi Tristin! Yay German! I was a German major in undergrad and would love to help. First, a couple questions... Do you read Braille? If so, do you have a refreshable Braille display or device? In which format do you have your German book? I used Braille as much as possible in German classes. It is difficult to learn spelling and read out loud if you do not actually read in the language. Getting a tutor is only as good as the tutor you get. I never used a tutor and didn't like using readers in language classes because I found I didn't learn as well with someone else reading to me in a foreign language. Are you having trouble following along with the professor in class? Is there absolutely no English spoken? Some professors will give you little hints via sound clues or help you out with a word or two in English, and some will not. That is why I ask. To be honest, throwing the blind kid a few English word bones will not disrupt the learning of the rest of the class, since, undoubtedly, everyone in an introductory class is already thinking in English... :) I would recommend throwing the Powerpoints into word and then changing the language of the word document to German. That way, you will not hear your screen reader speaking German as English. If you use Braille, I can give you the steps you will need to emboss in the proper language if you want your tests or notes in hard copy Braille. I can also try to help you get your documents on the note taker, depending on the model you have. I miss language classes so much!!! Enjoy the learning! On 8/29/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > Hello, > > I have never taken introductory German, but I did take introductory French. > I can't speak for anyone else. I got a tutor, because I'm really bad at four > languages. It had nothing to do with my being blind. > As for power points, I am told that it is relatively easy for professors to > convert them into PDFs. I would email your professors and ask if this is > something they could do. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 29, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that >> your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine >> has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was >> wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most >> out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory >> German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind >> people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a >> blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any >> materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing >> the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you >> think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my >> other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re >> often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look >> at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be >> successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was >> wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a >> powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the >> powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, >> or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. >> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from >> you all. Tristan >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 23:34:17 2016 From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan Torres) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 19:34:17 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <4091A06E-097C-4F64-9FEF-2226E677A714@coe.edu> Message-ID: <4A191DC9-5FC8-4532-B3F2-F457944B938F@gmail.com> Thanks all for the feedback. I am a braille reader, so any steps as to how I can get my tests, notes, or vocabulary words transcribed into german would be greatly appreciated. I used to have a refreshable braille display, but alas, i sold it about five years ago, not really seeing much use for it at the time. How wrong was I? Ah well, I’m hoping that my local commission for the Blind will be able to cover the costs, as I believe it’s a reasonable accommodation. However, they don’t seem to realize the urgency of the situation, as they’re coming out me with the old “we have a process and things don’t happen overnight,” line. I think putting powerpoint into a word document and switching the screen reader’s language is also a good idea, but unfortunately, I don’t use jaws. I’m a mac user. Has anyone learned a language using voiceover? If so, what was your experience like? I currently have an ebook version of the textbook, which I will probably use in conjunction with the display once I get it. the class has a healthy mix of German and English, I think the professor has done a good job so far at helping students out with pronunciation and the like. But who knows, that’s subject to change. It’s only the first day, after all. I think this semester is going to be a long process in figuring out what works for me and what doesn’t, and believe me, all help is appreciated, as I have virtually no idea what I’m doing. > On Aug 29, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Tristin! > > Yay German! I was a German major in undergrad and would love to help. > > First, a couple questions... Do you read Braille? If so, do you have > a refreshable Braille display or device? In which format do you have > your German book? > > I used Braille as much as possible in German classes. It is difficult > to learn spelling and read out loud if you do not actually read in the > language. Getting a tutor is only as good as the tutor you get. I > never used a tutor and didn't like using readers in language classes > because I found I didn't learn as well with someone else reading to me > in a foreign language. > > Are you having trouble following along with the professor in class? > Is there absolutely no English spoken? > > Some professors will give you little hints via sound clues or help you > out with a word or two in English, and some will not. That is why I > ask. To be honest, throwing the blind kid a few English word bones > will not disrupt the learning of the rest of the class, since, > undoubtedly, everyone in an introductory class is already thinking in > English... :) > > I would recommend throwing the Powerpoints into word and then changing > the language of the word document to German. That way, you will not > hear your screen reader speaking German as English. If you use > Braille, I can give you the steps you will need to emboss in the > proper language if you want your tests or notes in hard copy Braille. > I can also try to help you get your documents on the note taker, > depending on the model you have. > > I miss language classes so much!!! Enjoy the learning! > > > On 8/29/16, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have never taken introductory German, but I did take introductory French. >> I can't speak for anyone else. I got a tutor, because I'm really bad at four >> languages. It had nothing to do with my being blind. >> As for power points, I am told that it is relatively easy for professors to >> convert them into PDFs. I would email your professors and ask if this is >> something they could do. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Aug 29, 2016, at 3:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that >>> your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine >>> has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was >>> wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most >>> out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory >>> German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind >>> people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a >>> blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any >>> materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing >>> the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you >>> think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my >>> other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re >>> often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look >>> at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be >>> successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was >>> wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a >>> powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the >>> powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, >>> or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. >>> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from >>> you all. Tristan >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tristan.torres09%40gmail.com From annita.co.usa at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 00:30:45 2016 From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 18:30:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> I ask my professors to send PowerPoints to me directly to avoid the hassle of trying to access them online like sighted students, and they are perfectly readable with JAWS. A -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tristan Torres via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Tristan Torres Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com From carlos.montas at att.net Tue Aug 30 01:31:29 2016 From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:31:29 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and organization Message-ID: <50B058D3-F2D4-4207-89AA-DC942D65B1D9@att.net> Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas 4078018827 Sent from my iPhone From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 01:42:28 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 21:42:28 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] openbook and pdfs Message-ID: <000001d2025f$c5226500$4f672f00$@gmail.com> Does anyone know how to open a pdf with openbook if the pdf is on the pc already? Justin From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Tue Aug 30 02:25:59 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 02:25:59 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balancing school and work and organization Message-ID: Hello Carlos, I think creating a balanced schedule of school and other activities such as work and other social activities can sometimes be a challenging thing to do. One of the things that I find helps me from other distractions when working on school work is to work at the library or the computer lab instead of my apartment. I find there are a lot less distractions at the library or the computer lab on campus than in my apartment. If you have a laptop or tablet computer, you could simply choose to do your school work any place other than your home or apartment that will not be too distracting for you. This could be anything from a local library, a coffee shop, or a quiet restaurant. It can also be a good idea to schedule the time you wish to study or work on school work for a regular set time as if it were an important appointment. This way you will not schedule other things during your study time. I also find it helpful to mute my phone and close my email client so I am not distracted by incoming phone calls, text messages, and email messages. All of these things can wait until a later time, or can be used as an activity that can be done during a short study break. Another thing you could try if you find it difficult to find large chunks of time is to break up your school work and study activities into smaller tasks. For Example, if you only have fifteen minutes, perhaps this is enough time to check a particular discussion thread, or simply use the heading function of your audio player to go through the headings or the summary of the chapter you need to read. I know some people are able to multi-task and are able to read audio books while doing other things. However, I find that I am able to concentrate better when I focus on doing one task at a time. I have not found an effective way to take notes when reading through the textbook as I find I take better notes in class. So perhaps other people can provide suggestions on different methods for taking notes while reading through the textbook. I hope you find these suggestions helpful and that you can find a good way to balance your school work with your job. I am sure with a bit of hard work and determination that you will be successful in finding what works best for you. Warm regards, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:31 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Carlos Montas Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and organization Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas 4078018827 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Tue Aug 30 03:52:58 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 22:52:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] openbook and pdfs In-Reply-To: <000001d2025f$c5226500$4f672f00$@gmail.com> References: <000001d2025f$c5226500$4f672f00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F9238FF-2B1D-438A-9EA2-FB486BA92B43@coe.edu> OK, here's what you do. Number one. When you are in open book, go to file, and then to open. Tabuntil you hear files of type, and select all files. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 29, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Does anyone know how to open a pdf with openbook if the pdf is on the pc > already? > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu Three. Tab until you hear location. Select the location where your PDF is on the computer. For press tab again until you hear the list of files. Hit enter on the one that you want. I hope this helps, and please feel free to let me know if you have anymore questions. I am fairly familiar with open book. :-) From kestomberg at coe.edu Tue Aug 30 03:54:58 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2016 22:54:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60B05ABB-34B7-4A8C-B6D2-C67F11368FC5@coe.edu> But it really depends on what version of jaws you have. I find that I need the power points as PDFs or Word documents if there are a lot of images. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 29, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Anya Avramenko via NABS-L wrote: > > I ask my professors to send PowerPoints to me directly to avoid the hassle of trying to access them online like sighted students, and they are perfectly readable with JAWS. > A > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tristan Torres via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Tristan Torres > Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class > > Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From taylorarndt99 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 10:37:02 2016 From: taylorarndt99 at gmail.com (Taylor Arndt) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 06:37:02 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balancing school and work and organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AE7DD6F-EECA-4050-9630-A0CFF2832B25@gmail.com> Take notes in class, you bookmark the important stuff. For example, I have a victor stream, I bookmark what's important from each heading of my chapter. This way when I'm trying to go through my bookmarks, I can go through everything that I've bookmarked through the whole term and I can read it, or else you can set important things that could be highlighted also. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 29, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Carlos, > > I think creating a balanced schedule of school and other activities such as work and other social activities can sometimes be a challenging thing to do. One of the things that I find helps me from other distractions when working on school work is to work at the library or the computer lab instead of my apartment. I find there are a lot less distractions at the library or the computer lab on campus than in my apartment. > > If you have a laptop or tablet computer, you could simply choose to do your school work any place other than your home or apartment that will not be too distracting for you. This could be anything from a local library, a coffee shop, or a quiet restaurant. > > It can also be a good idea to schedule the time you wish to study or work on school work for a regular set time as if it were an important appointment. This way you will not schedule other things during your study time. I also find it helpful to mute my phone and close my email client so I am not distracted by incoming phone calls, text messages, and email messages. All of these things can wait until a later time, or can be used as an activity that can be done during a short study break. > > Another thing you could try if you find it difficult to find large chunks of time is to break up your school work and study activities into smaller tasks. For Example, if you only have fifteen minutes, perhaps this is enough time to check a particular discussion thread, or simply use the heading function of your audio player to go through the headings or the summary of the chapter you need to read. > > I know some people are able to multi-task and are able to read audio books while doing other things. However, I find that I am able to concentrate better when I focus on doing one task at a time. I have not found an effective way to take notes when reading through the textbook as I find I take better notes in class. So perhaps other people can provide suggestions on different methods for taking notes while reading through the textbook. > > I hope you find these suggestions helpful and that you can find a good way to balance your school work with your job. I am sure with a bit of hard work and determination that you will be successful in finding what works best for you. > > Warm regards, > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:31 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Carlos Montas > Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and organization > > Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas 4078018827 > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/taylorarndt99%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Aug 30 12:15:47 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 05:15:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents In-Reply-To: <52448853-6508-4A1A-B086-5CDAC39B30B6@gmail.com> References: <52448853-6508-4A1A-B086-5CDAC39B30B6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good morning, As far as I'm concerned, there is no reason why apartment personele couldn't just go over the bullet points of the lease. At 11:33 AM 4/24/2016, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >I think Elizabeth's suggestion of having the lease sent to you by >email or something prior to signing it could be a good idea >too. They must have it in electronic format somewhere, or else >where do they print it from, right? >I have rented at least six different apartments on my own in my life >so far, and every time it has been the same process so I assume it >will be the same with yours. Here's what happens: once your >application is approved, a time is set up with the landlord or >building manager, depending on the situation, to get together with >them, they go over the lease with you at that time and you sign it >there and they hand you your keys. The lease is 3-5 pages I would >say. If you are BUYING an apartment, like a condo, then yes it >would be a lot longer and different. But just for a lease, it is >not that long that I've ever seen. (You could always ask them how >many pages it is). Although I think having them send it to you via >email or something prior to this meeting is a good option, I >personally would still want to have a person I know and trust to >come with me to the lease signing. Chances are, the landlord or >manager is not going to skip things, and will follow your >instructions, and will be very honest, but you have no way of >knowing that. A lease is a legal document concerning your >residence. That is not a document I want to risk anything >with. There are plenty of documents I have people help me fill out >or read to me even if I don't know them, but a lease for my place of >living is not something I would choose to take chances with. That's >just my opinion. Also if you do bring someone with you, you could >bring someone who has rented before as well, that way they may think >of questions to ask at that meeting that you may not think of, since >it's all new to you. Just an idea. All you have to do with a lease >is read it, sign it and maybe initial by a couple things. >It sounds like you're doing really well preparing for this. And it >sounds like you are working well with them and they are working well >with you. > >Good luck! > >Anna E Givens > > > > On Apr 24, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > wrote: > > > > Hello Kaiti, > > > > I encounter paper forms on a fairly regular basis, and I believe it is > > important for a blind person to find a way to deal with print > forms in a way > > that works best for them. I agree with you that sighted people are often > > just as concerned about how information is formatted as much as the > > information itself. Since I do not have the luxury of being able to bring a > > sighted person with me every time I need to fill out a printed form, I > > usually ask the person giving me the print form if they can help me fill it > > out. Alternatively, you could pick the print form up ahead of time, or have > > someone mail the print form to you, and you can then ask a reader to help > > you fill it out. Or you could scan it without keeping the format of the > > print form, and simply print it out for them. Despite all the > technology out > > there today, print forms still appear to be rather common to me. > > > > As for the information on the lease, you can simply ask the landlord to go > > over it with you. When I signed the first lease to my current apartment, I > > asked my landlord to go over the information in the lease with me before I > > signed it. Although she did not read it word for word, she was > willing to go > > over the important parts of the lease with me and explain them in > a way that > > made sense to me. I felt as though I received enough information from the > > landlord to feel comfortable enough to sign the lease. > > > > However, I understand some people may feel more comfortable reading it word > > for word before signing it. In this case, you could ask the landlord to > > email a copy of it to you so you can read it on whatever technology you > > choose to use. Additionally, you could simply ask to receive a > print copy of > > the lease, and then sign it after you have the chance to read it either by > > scanning the lease or asking someone to read it to you. > > > > However, I feel like if I cannot trust someone to fill out a print form > > accurately, or provide an honest summery or reading of a print document, > > then perhaps it simply is not best for me to be doing business with this > > person in the first place. If the form asks for personal information I do > > not feel comfortable sharing in front of other people, I simply make sure > > the form is being filled out in a private room. When I am asked to give > > someone my address, I will simply give them a copy of my state > > identification card, and ask them to copy it from there without reading it > > aloud. > > > > I think it is good to ask for reasonable accommodations whenever > you feel as > > though you need them. However, it seems to me that simply because there are > > rules and laws stating we should receive reasonable accommodations, this > > does not necessarily mean that people will actually follow these rules and > > laws. I understand it is not fair to be discriminated against because of > > blindness, but based on my experience, this is simply a part of life. > > > > A couple of months ago, people suggested that I attend an NFB training > > center as a means for trying to deal with a particular situation > in my life. > > Although I understand an NFB training center is not for everyone, I am > > curious if you have ever thought of attending an NFB training center. I > > often receive the impression from the messages you post to the email list > > that perhaps you may not necessarily be so sure of yourself as a person. I > > also get the sense that you may have a rigid sense of how > something needs to > > be in order for it to be deemed acceptable. I am not sure if these are > > accurate descriptions of you, or if I simply see these things in > you because > > I see these things in myself in my own life. However, I think it is > > important for everyone to learn how to be okay with who they are as a > > person, and understand that simply because they choose to do something > > differently, it does not automatically make them wrong. I wish this was > > something I could have learned earlier in life, so I simply wish to pass > > this important lesson on to others. > > > > I hope what I say in this message helps you, or at the very least, helps > > someone else on the email list. > > > > Warm regards, > > Elizabeth > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > > via nabs-l > > Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 11:13 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > > Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of apartment documents > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'll be moving into my first big kid apartment (on my own with no > > roommates) this August. I met with one of the realty agents that works for > > the apartment company today and really like what I saw in the viewing. It > > looks like it will be a pretty good living situation, and although I've > > enjoyed having roommates I'm looking forward to having a little > more control > > over my space (No more randomly moving things in the fridge, unexpected > > changes in the thermostat, etc). > > > > I'm a little concerned about finding out what my accessibility-related > > rights are. This is new for me and I am doing research on my own, but I > > thought turning here would also be useful. I was a little > disheartened when > > I found the company didn't have an electronic way for me to complete the > > apartment application. The agent was nice enough to fill out most of it > > with me and was amenable to having my parents scan the completed copy as a > > PDF and email in their co-signer portion since they're in a different city, > > but as far as me filling it out in an accessible format she didn't seem to > > know of a way to make it work without messing up the formatting of the > > application form. > > I'm kind of feeling "whatever" about it at this point because the form was > > pretty short and painless/not necessarily worth a huge fuss over > > accessibility, but I am more concerned with making sure I get an accessible > > copy of the contract/lease so I can reference it if necessary while I am in > > the property. I understand that having independent access to this kind of > > documentation is very important, and want to make sure I start working with > > the company in advance if necessary. > > > > My questions are: If the company doesn't already have an electronic copy of > > the lease how, exactly, would they be required to share it with me in a > > format I can use? What would be acceptable options to tell them if they > > have no clue? If they decide to send it somewhere else to be > brailled would > > that come out of their pocket or my own? > > > > Of course, I recognize that they could/should have a scanner somewhere in > > their offices, and therefore scanning the lease and making an accessible > > copy wouldn't be too terribly hard. However, I'm not sure who's > > responsibility it would be and am a little skeptical of that working out if > > they were unable to make the application available to me in a format I can > > use. I really don't mind the application, but I honestly don't want to sit > > down with a reader and go through a 60-plus page document if I can help it. > > 2 pages are one thing, ut from what I understand leases are much longer. > > > > Any tips or bits of knowledge anyone could pass on would be appreciated. > > > > -- > > Kaiti Shelton > > University of Dayton-Music Therapy > > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From codeofdusk at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 13:53:51 2016 From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 13:53:51 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] using Braille for math Message-ID: <0F63455A-6BE4-40C0-B71A-202538B64EFB@gmail.com> Hello, I'm currently in 11th grade, taking Calculus this year. At the moment, I use a screen reader and a text editor to work out math problems. Before, I wrote my problems in an improvised "calculator notation", where each line was written in a similar format to how it would appear on a scientific calculator (+ for addition, / for division, ^ for exponentiation, sqrt for square root, etc). This notation worked, but had several issues: it was ambiguous at times and hard to read for my sighted teachers. As of last semester, I've been writing all of my math in LaTeX. This solves the ambiguity issues with calculator notation, and can easily be compiled to PDF for viewing by the sighted. However, things like $\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{(-\frac{1}{2}+h)^3-(-\frac{1}{2})^3}{h}$ can be difficult to keep track of in speech; I often have to pull complex fractions apart, bringing certain parts onto their own lines, simplifying and combining everything back into the complex fraction at the end. It's horribly inefficient and error-prone. My Braille reading speed is fairly slow (around 55WPM), and the only experience I've had with Braille math was in elementary school, using a device called the Math Window . That was, in short, a disaster; I was consistently lagging far behind my classmates when doing simple two and three digit addition and multiplication problems because of the time it took to interpret the Braille and manipulate the Math Window's tiles. I haven't used Braille for math since, using only a computer with a plain-text editor to do Algebra, Geometry, and Pre-Calculus. I have, however, used raised-line diagrams and three-dimensional models for Geometry and trigonometry. Questions: Would the use of refreshable Braille, hardcopy Braille and/or a device like the Math Window while doing math help me to conceptualize problems more easily, particularly where advanced and/or heavy Algebra is involved? If so, would it be most effective for me to use it in addition to, or as a replacement for, speech? The biggest problem with using Braille is that my teachers don't read it, so I'd have to frequently transcribe back-and-forth from Braille to LaTeX. This would be relatively painless for refreshable Braille, but less so for the hardcopy variety. If I used Braille for math, which math code (UEB or Nemeth) should I learn and use? From what I've heard, Nemeth generally takes up less space to convey the same content (important for refreshable displays with limited real estate), but UEB's presentation of that content is clearer. Also, Nemeth could be replaced by the UEB math code in a few years since it's the international standard now. Thanks, Bill From Amason at nfb.org Tue Aug 30 14:30:53 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 14:30:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] using Braille for math In-Reply-To: <0F63455A-6BE4-40C0-B71A-202538B64EFB@gmail.com> References: <0F63455A-6BE4-40C0-B71A-202538B64EFB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bill, You may want to spend more time on working to improve your Braille reading speed regardless of what you choose to use as your preferred math tool. It will help in mathematics, but also with many other comprehension tasks. I do not mean to be a nag, but as a fairly slow Braille reader myself, I know that some of my greatest productivity gains have come as I have improved my Braille reading and comprehension speed. I would heavily recommend however, that you learn Nemeth Braille Instead of UEB. Although UEB is the international standard, Bana (the Braille Authority of North America specifically recommended keeping Nemeth because it is much more consistent in the context of mathematics and science notation than UEB Math. In fact, it is so much more consistent, that Pearson (the text book and testing company) is working on a math editor using Nemeth Braille. The developer has said that Nemeth is very easy for him to translate to and from print, but that he cannot see a way to do so using the symbols in UEB. Of course the instant translation would be of great benefit to both you and your teachers, as you are each reading in your native code. Incidentally, if you have a Braille display, and some understanding of Nemeth, you may want to consider reviewing the tool for yourself. I believe you need to be using NVDA, and that at this time, reviewing the Math needs to be completed on the display as speech will not read properly, (though they are working on this knotty problem).) but regardless, it's a pretty powerful tool that may be of benefit to you even though at this point it's not a fully rolled out product. http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/ Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:54 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Bill Dengler Subject: [nabs-l] using Braille for math Hello, I'm currently in 11th grade, taking Calculus this year. At the moment, I use a screen reader and a text editor to work out math problems. Before, I wrote my problems in an improvised "calculator notation", where each line was written in a similar format to how it would appear on a scientific calculator (+ for addition, / for division, ^ for exponentiation, sqrt for square root, etc). This notation worked, but had several issues: it was ambiguous at times and hard to read for my sighted teachers. As of last semester, I've been writing all of my math in LaTeX. This solves the ambiguity issues with calculator notation, and can easily be compiled to PDF for viewing by the sighted. However, things like $\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{(-\frac{1}{2}+h)^3-(-\frac{1}{2})^3}{h}$ can be difficult to keep track of in speech; I often have to pull complex fractions apart, bringing certain parts onto their own lines, simplifying and combining everything back into the complex fraction at the end. It's horribly inefficient and error-prone. My Braille reading speed is fairly slow (around 55WPM), and the only experience I've had with Braille math was in elementary school, using a device called the Math Window . That was, in short, a disaster; I was consistently lagging far behind my classmates when doing simple two and three digit addition and multiplication problems because of the time it took to interpret the Braille and manipulate the Math Window's tiles. I haven't used Braille for math since, using only a computer with a plain-text editor to do Algebra, Geometry, and Pre-Calculus. I have, however, used raised-line diagrams and three-dimensional models for Geometry and trigonometry. Questions: Would the use of refreshable Braille, hardcopy Braille and/or a device like the Math Window while doing math help me to conceptualize problems more easily, particularly where advanced and/or heavy Algebra is involved? If so, would it be most effective for me to use it in addition to, or as a replacement for, speech? The biggest problem with using Braille is that my teachers don't read it, so I'd have to frequently transcribe back-and-forth from Braille to LaTeX. This would be relatively painless for refreshable Braille, but less so for the hardcopy variety. If I used Braille for math, which math code (UEB or Nemeth) should I learn and use? From what I've heard, Nemeth generally takes up less space to convey the same content (important for refreshable displays with limited real estate), but UEB's presentation of that content is clearer. Also, Nemeth could be replaced by the UEB math code in a few years since it's the international standard now. Thanks, Bill _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From Amason at nfb.org Tue Aug 30 14:48:35 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 14:48:35 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balancing school and work and organization Message-ID: Carlos, Good luck, that is a heavy load. That said, I have no doubt that you will be able to excel. Tips I can offer for taking notes on a digital audio player is don't. (At least, not entirely.) While listening, find a way to start and stop the device and write down the chunks you need most later. Whether you are keeping notes in a notetaker, a laptop, or with a slate and stylus, or a 20/20 pen, you should create a set of notes that is more distilled than the text you are reading. I would keep track of what page, or at least what chapter and subheading you found things in, in case you need to review the whole passage, but I found this is very effective. The other way to do this, is to use the features of your audio book player to essentially create for yourself "highlights" With or without your own notes attached. If you are using Voice Dream, it is possible, and I would argue, encouraged, to select passages of text and to put your own thoughts alongside them. ( I would probably recommend a keyboard or a braille display for this task, else typing on your screen will eat up all your energy, but I've found that being able to read and review just the highlights is the best way for me to be able to really review what's critical. On devices like the stream, I know it is possible to add many bookmarks and clips as well, though I find that this can be a bit more tedious to deal with for me personally than information that is available in text format that I can review more completely. Much of that depends of course on the tool and the books that you have available. As far as distractions and productivity boosts, you might try something like the :"Pomodoro" technique. Set yourself discreet tasks, let yourself work on them for 20 minutes, or 25, then when a timer goes off, you get up for five minutes before either returning to the same task for another block of time, or moving to a new project for that new block. I've found that nothing is quite so odious if you are able to focus on the fact that you are only going to have to go as long as the timer says you have left before you can stand and stretch, or get a cookie, or check Facebook, or whatever seems the best reward. May the semester go well. Amy Mason Access Technology Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 amason at nfb.org The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas via NABS-L Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:31 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Carlos Montas Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and organization Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas 4078018827 Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 30 16:35:06 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 12:35:06 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Ally Message-ID: Hi all, I am trying to download an anthology on the Learning Ally app. You keep saying that there isn't enough space on my phone. However, it is only one volume of an anthology and I've had more books on there before. Has anyone run into this before? If so, are there any tricks for downloading longer books. Best, Kaley Sent from my iPhone From kaybaycar at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 16:56:29 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 11:56:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balancing school and work and organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good morning, First, I want to echo what Elizabeth said about finding another place to study. And in grad school... OMG it is so important to do this if you have trouble working at home. You said in your message that you have a full-time job, so I'm thinking that when you get home, all you want to do is sleep or unwind. Been there, done that... :) I used to set aside study mornings or afternoons for myself. This means that on a weekend or when I had a day off of work, I would go to a coffee shop and bond with my school work for hours. Just remember that when you do this, it is important to give yourself breaks like Amy suggested. As for taking notes, use another device to take notes as you listen. Remember only to take notes on the things you didn't know rather than the information you already know as you read. Take notes in your own words and in a way you will remember later. It is also benefitial to take notes in the format you will be most likely to study. If you would rather read your notes in Braille than on the computer, take them on a Braille Note or with a slate. Another important thing about taking notes is that writing the information is one more way to get it into your brain. People think that taking notes is important because we need to look at them later... That's only half the story... (Especially since I always forgot to actually look at my notes...) Lol Writing down the information you don't know will help you remember it. I hope this helps! On 8/30/16, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > Carlos, > > Good luck, that is a heavy load. That said, I have no doubt that you will be > able to excel. Tips I can offer for taking notes on a digital audio player > is don't. (At least, not entirely.) While listening, find a way to start > and stop the device and write down the chunks you need most later. Whether > you are keeping notes in a notetaker, a laptop, or with a slate and stylus, > or a 20/20 pen, you should create a set of notes that is more distilled than > the text you are reading. I would keep track of what page, or at least what > chapter and subheading you found things in, in case you need to review the > whole passage, but I found this is very effective. > > The other way to do this, is to use the features of your audio book player > to essentially create for yourself "highlights" With or without your own > notes attached. If you are using Voice Dream, it is possible, and I would > argue, encouraged, to select passages of text and to put your own thoughts > alongside them. ( I would probably recommend a keyboard or a braille display > for this task, else typing on your screen will eat up all your energy, but > I've found that being able to read and review just the highlights is the > best way for me to be able to really review what's critical. On devices like > the stream, I know it is possible to add many bookmarks and clips as well, > though I find that this can be a bit more tedious to deal with for me > personally than information that is available in text format that I can > review more completely. Much of that depends of course on the tool and the > books that you have available. > > As far as distractions and productivity boosts, you might try something like > the :"Pomodoro" technique. Set yourself discreet tasks, let yourself work on > them for 20 minutes, or 25, then when a timer goes off, you get up for five > minutes before either returning to the same task for another block of time, > or moving to a new project for that new block. I've found that nothing is > quite so odious if you are able to focus on the fact that you are only going > to have to go as long as the timer says you have left before you can stand > and stretch, or get a cookie, or check Facebook, or whatever seems the best > reward. > > May the semester go well. > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all > blind Americans live the lives they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas > via NABS-L > Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:31 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Carlos Montas > Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and > organization > > Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list > before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and > work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational > rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in > rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much > energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I > know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. > If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help > as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take > notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I > appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas > 4078018827 > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is > confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others > authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in > relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been > automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a > Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for > your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and > compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From codeofdusk at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 17:59:06 2016 From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 17:59:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] using Braille for math In-Reply-To: References: <0F63455A-6BE4-40C0-B71A-202538B64EFB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C045271-C1E8-478B-A735-83C34D7EC828@gmail.com> Do you suggest that I use refreshable Braille, hardcopy Braille or a combination of both when using Braille for mathematics? What do you mean by the fact that Nemeth is more "consistent?" Which code is more efficient? Thanks, Bill On Aug 30, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Bill, > > You may want to spend more time on working to improve your Braille reading speed regardless of what you choose to use as your preferred math tool. It will help in mathematics, but also with many other comprehension tasks. > > I do not mean to be a nag, but as a fairly slow Braille reader myself, I know that some of my greatest productivity gains have come as I have improved my Braille reading and comprehension speed. > > I would heavily recommend however, that you learn Nemeth Braille Instead of UEB. Although UEB is the international standard, Bana (the Braille Authority of North America specifically recommended keeping Nemeth because it is much more consistent in the context of mathematics and science notation than UEB Math. In fact, it is so much more consistent, that Pearson (the text book and testing company) is working on a math editor using Nemeth Braille. The developer has said that Nemeth is very easy for him to translate to and from print, but that he cannot see a way to do so using the symbols in UEB. Of course the instant translation would be of great benefit to both you and your teachers, as you are each reading in your native code. > > Incidentally, if you have a Braille display, and some understanding of Nemeth, you may want to consider reviewing the tool for yourself. I believe you need to be using NVDA, and that at this time, reviewing the Math needs to be completed on the display as speech will not read properly, (though they are working on this knotty problem).) but regardless, it's a pretty powerful tool that may be of benefit to you even though at this point it's not a fully rolled out product. > > http://accessibility.pearson.com/mathex-app/ > > > Amy Mason > Access Technology Specialist > National Federation of the Blind > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, MD 21230 > 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 > amason at nfb.org > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all blind Americans live the lives they want. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bill Dengler via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:54 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Bill Dengler > Subject: [nabs-l] using Braille for math > > Hello, > I'm currently in 11th grade, taking Calculus this year. > At the moment, I use a screen reader and a text editor to work out math problems. Before, I wrote my problems in an improvised "calculator notation", where each line was written in a similar format to how it would appear on a scientific calculator (+ for addition, / for division, ^ for exponentiation, sqrt for square root, etc). This notation worked, but had several issues: it was ambiguous at times and hard to read for my sighted teachers. > As of last semester, I've been writing all of my math in LaTeX. This solves the ambiguity issues with calculator notation, and can easily be compiled to PDF for viewing by the sighted. > However, things like > $\lim_{h \to 0} \frac{(-\frac{1}{2}+h)^3-(-\frac{1}{2})^3}{h}$ > can be difficult to keep track of in speech; I often have to pull complex fractions apart, bringing certain parts onto their own lines, simplifying and combining everything back into the complex fraction at the end. It's horribly inefficient and error-prone. > > My Braille reading speed is fairly slow (around 55WPM), and the only experience I've had with Braille math was in elementary school, using a device called the Math Window . That was, in short, a disaster; I was consistently lagging far behind my classmates when doing simple two and three digit addition and multiplication problems because of the time it took to interpret the Braille and manipulate the Math Window's tiles. I haven't used Braille for math since, using only a computer with a plain-text editor to do Algebra, Geometry, and Pre-Calculus. I have, however, used raised-line diagrams and three-dimensional models for Geometry and trigonometry. > > Questions: > Would the use of refreshable Braille, hardcopy Braille and/or a device like the Math Window while doing math help me to conceptualize problems more easily, particularly where advanced and/or heavy Algebra is involved? > If so, would it be most effective for me to use it in addition to, or as a replacement for, speech? The biggest problem with using Braille is that my teachers don't read it, so I'd have to frequently transcribe back-and-forth from Braille to LaTeX. This would be relatively painless for refreshable Braille, but less so for the hardcopy variety. > If I used Braille for math, which math code (UEB or Nemeth) should I learn and use? From what I've heard, Nemeth generally takes up less space to convey the same content (important for refreshable displays with limited real estate), but UEB's presentation of that content is clearer. Also, Nemeth could be replaced by the UEB math code in a few years since it's the international standard now. > > Thanks, > Bill > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codeofdusk%40gmail.com From carlos.montas at att.net Tue Aug 30 18:49:49 2016 From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 14:49:49 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balancing school and work and organization In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <514C422C-62EA-45D2-AD4F-077575A46724@att.net> Good afternoon Julie and all I wanted to thank all of you who have responded to my questions. One of the reasons why I love this organization is because we are one big family. I will start to implement some of these suggestions. I will keep you all posted on how I am progressing as the semester goes along. Thanks again. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Julie McGinnity via NABS-L wrote: > > Good morning, > > First, I want to echo what Elizabeth said about finding another place > to study. And in grad school... OMG it is so important to do this if > you have trouble working at home. You said in your message that you > have a full-time job, so I'm thinking that when you get home, all you > want to do is sleep or unwind. Been there, done that... :) > > I used to set aside study mornings or afternoons for myself. This > means that on a weekend or when I had a day off of work, I would go to > a coffee shop and bond with my school work for hours. Just remember > that when you do this, it is important to give yourself breaks like > Amy suggested. > > As for taking notes, use another device to take notes as you listen. > Remember only to take notes on the things you didn't know rather than > the information you already know as you read. Take notes in your own > words and in a way you will remember later. It is also benefitial to > take notes in the format you will be most likely to study. If you > would rather read your notes in Braille than on the computer, take > them on a Braille Note or with a slate. Another important thing about > taking notes is that writing the information is one more way to get it > into your brain. People think that taking notes is important because > we need to look at them later... That's only half the story... > (Especially since I always forgot to actually look at my notes...) > Lol Writing down the information you don't know will help you > remember it. > > I hope this helps! > > >> On 8/30/16, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: >> Carlos, >> >> Good luck, that is a heavy load. That said, I have no doubt that you will be >> able to excel. Tips I can offer for taking notes on a digital audio player >> is don't. (At least, not entirely.) While listening, find a way to start >> and stop the device and write down the chunks you need most later. Whether >> you are keeping notes in a notetaker, a laptop, or with a slate and stylus, >> or a 20/20 pen, you should create a set of notes that is more distilled than >> the text you are reading. I would keep track of what page, or at least what >> chapter and subheading you found things in, in case you need to review the >> whole passage, but I found this is very effective. >> >> The other way to do this, is to use the features of your audio book player >> to essentially create for yourself "highlights" With or without your own >> notes attached. If you are using Voice Dream, it is possible, and I would >> argue, encouraged, to select passages of text and to put your own thoughts >> alongside them. ( I would probably recommend a keyboard or a braille display >> for this task, else typing on your screen will eat up all your energy, but >> I've found that being able to read and review just the highlights is the >> best way for me to be able to really review what's critical. On devices like >> the stream, I know it is possible to add many bookmarks and clips as well, >> though I find that this can be a bit more tedious to deal with for me >> personally than information that is available in text format that I can >> review more completely. Much of that depends of course on the tool and the >> books that you have available. >> >> As far as distractions and productivity boosts, you might try something like >> the :"Pomodoro" technique. Set yourself discreet tasks, let yourself work on >> them for 20 minutes, or 25, then when a timer goes off, you get up for five >> minutes before either returning to the same task for another block of time, >> or moving to a new project for that new block. I've found that nothing is >> quite so odious if you are able to focus on the fact that you are only going >> to have to go as long as the timer says you have left before you can stand >> and stretch, or get a cookie, or check Facebook, or whatever seems the best >> reward. >> >> May the semester go well. >> >> Amy Mason >> Access Technology Specialist >> National Federation of the Blind >> 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place >> Baltimore, MD 21230 >> 410-659-9314 ext. 2424 >> amason at nfb.org >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles >> between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; >> blindness is not what holds you back. >> >> Make a gift to the National Federation of the Blind and help ensure all >> blind Americans live the lives they want. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Montas >> via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 9:31 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Carlos Montas >> Subject: [nabs-l] questions about balencing school and work and >> organization >> >> Good evening to all. My name is carlos Montas. I have posted on this list >> before but I wanted to ask you all some questions about juggling school and >> work. The first thing is that I have a full time job as a vocational >> rehabilitation counselor. I am in graduate school working on my massters in >> rehab counseling. I find my self at the end of most days with not much >> energy to do school work at night. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I >> know that when going to school on line organization is extremely important. >> If you all have suggestions on how to deal with distractions that would help >> as well. Lastly I would like to know what are some effective methods to take >> notes while reading books on voice stream and or on a digital book player? I >> appreciate you all taking the time to read my email. Sincerely Carlos Montas >> 4078018827 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org >> >> Disclaimer >> >> The information contained in this communication from the sender is >> confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others >> authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby >> notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in >> relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may >> be unlawful. >> >> This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been >> automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a >> Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for >> your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and >> compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > > > -- > Julie A. McGinnity > President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, > Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri > "For we walk by faith, not by sight" > 2 Cor. 7 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlos.montas%40att.net From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 19:58:23 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:58:23 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for improvement Message-ID: <001a01d202f8$dd8bb030$98a31090$@gmail.com> Hi all, I hope this message finds you all well and enjoying your second day of school. I have a couple of questions regarding reading and spelling. I am quite a slow braille reader and was wondering if anyone has any tips for improving that? I am also having a hard time keeping-up in class because of my poor spelling what tips would you give on how to get better in that? My last question is about tips for improving my typing speed. I have gotten faster over the years but I know people who type quite fast and being able to do that would be wonderful. Thanks all, Nesma From zdreicer at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 20:04:01 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:04:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for improvement In-Reply-To: <001a01d202f8$dd8bb030$98a31090$@gmail.com> References: <001a01d202f8$dd8bb030$98a31090$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! It takes a lot of practice, I would devote some time outside of school each evening to practicing, that way you can improve your speed over time. For example you could set a timer for three minutes and see how many words you can read/right in that time, and keep doing this over time and see if you improve. I'm having kind of the same issue with my slate and stylus practice for my braille class but I know I will be able to become more proficient in this overtime. I hope that helps and if you have any other questions please let us know. Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > On Aug 30, 2016, at 14:58, Nesma Aly via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope this message finds you all well and enjoying your second day of > school. I have a couple of questions regarding reading and spelling. I am > quite a slow braille reader and was wondering if anyone has any tips for > improving that? I am also having a hard time keeping-up in class because of > my poor spelling what tips would you give on how to get better in that? My > last question is about tips for improving my typing speed. I have gotten > faster over the years but I know people who type quite fast and being able > to do that would be wonderful. > > Thanks all, > > Nesma > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From Amason at nfb.org Tue Aug 30 20:24:31 2016 From: Amason at nfb.org (Mason, Amy) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 20:24:31 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for improvement In-Reply-To: References: <001a01d202f8$dd8bb030$98a31090$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <9BA3C709-641F-421C-AC66-CF92439CDD74@nfb.org> Also, where possible choose an activity to devote to the process, such as only read Twitter in Braille, or type your grocery or to do list at top speed. Make them low priority tasks so you can practice but errors won't count against you. With Braille specifically, learn to read two handed if you can as it can improve speed greatly. Here are a few articles that might help. https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm99/bm990604.htm http://www.ne.nfb.org/node/562 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: Hi! It takes a lot of practice, I would devote some time outside of school each evening to practicing, that way you can improve your speed over time. For example you could set a timer for three minutes and see how many words you can read/right in that time, and keep doing this over time and see if you improve. I'm having kind of the same issue with my slate and stylus practice for my braille class but I know I will be able to become more proficient in this overtime. I hope that helps and if you have any other questions please let us know. Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver On Aug 30, 2016, at 14:58, Nesma Aly via NABS-L > wrote: Hi all, I hope this message finds you all well and enjoying your second day of school. I have a couple of questions regarding reading and spelling. I am quite a slow braille reader and was wondering if anyone has any tips for improving that? I am also having a hard time keeping-up in class because of my poor spelling what tips would you give on how to get better in that? My last question is about tips for improving my typing speed. I have gotten faster over the years but I know people who type quite fast and being able to do that would be wonderful. Thanks all, Nesma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From kestomberg at coe.edu Tue Aug 30 20:31:34 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2016 15:31:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tips for improvement In-Reply-To: <9BA3C709-641F-421C-AC66-CF92439CDD74@nfb.org> References: <001a01d202f8$dd8bb030$98a31090$@gmail.com> <9BA3C709-641F-421C-AC66-CF92439CDD74@nfb.org> Message-ID: <1AD242D7-AB68-47BE-9CAB-4385C899F1C6@coe.edu> I'm not sure about spelling, as I am also horrible at it! But taking some time alone or with a friend to just read out loud will really help you read braille pastor. That's what I did for a while. Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Aug 30, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Mason, Amy via NABS-L wrote: > > Also, where possible choose an activity to devote to the process, such as only read Twitter in Braille, or type your grocery or to do list at top speed. Make them low priority tasks so you can practice but errors won't count against you. > > With Braille specifically, learn to read two handed if you can as it can improve speed greatly. > > Here are a few articles that might help. > > https://nfb.org/Images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm99/bm990604.htm > > http://www.ne.nfb.org/node/562 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 30, 2016, at 4:05 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi! It takes a lot of practice, I would devote some time outside of school each evening to practicing, that way you can improve your speed over time. For example you could set a timer for three minutes and see how many words you can read/right in that time, and keep doing this over time and see if you improve. I'm having kind of the same issue with my slate and stylus practice for my braille class but I know I will be able to become more proficient in this overtime. I hope that helps and if you have any other questions please let us know. > > Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > > On Aug 30, 2016, at 14:58, Nesma Aly via NABS-L > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I hope this message finds you all well and enjoying your second day of > school. I have a couple of questions regarding reading and spelling. I am > quite a slow braille reader and was wondering if anyone has any tips for > improving that? I am also having a hard time keeping-up in class because of > my poor spelling what tips would you give on how to get better in that? My > last question is about tips for improving my typing speed. I have gotten > faster over the years but I know people who type quite fast and being able > to do that would be wonderful. > > Thanks all, > > Nesma > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amason%40nfb.org > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 11:39:42 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (NABS) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 07:39:42 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] August NABS Notes Message-ID: <4a8c01d2037c$5dce39b0$196aad10$@gmail.com> Good morning NABS! I hope the semester is treating you well so far. Thanks to Bryan Duarte, our newly appointed Communications Chair, for working on this month's NABS Notes. There have been some changes, so please let us know what you think! Send all recommendations and ideas to Bryan at bjduarte at asu.edu . Join me in reading this month's bulletin. . Updates from the national office . University settlement agreement . NABS Board Meeting Minutes . NABS Committee Updates . This month's Blog Post . Student division updates by state Below, you will find a direct link to the online version, as well as an attached document. http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-august-2016 Thank you, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zdreicer at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 15:10:28 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 10:10:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Message about amazing Colorado raffle Message-ID: This is a chance at a great opportunity, Share with your friends and family!:) Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver Begin forwarded message: > From: Kevan Worley via Colorado-Talk > Date: August 31, 2016 at 09:47:34 CDT > To: "colorado-talk at nfbnet.org" > Cc: Kevan Worley > Subject: [Colorado-talk] I'll bet you can > Reply-To: NFB of Colorado Discussion List > > I'll bet we can crash the Amazing Colorado Raffle website. How many raffle tickets can we sell by midnight tonight? I had a goal of selling 50 people by September 1. I think I've sold 44 people. I think I can sell raffle tickets to six more people by midnight tonight. Can you? Let's use our email lists and our social media and get all of our buddies to buy one ticket for $10, three for $20, or 15 for $100. Send them to http://www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle > > Of course, you could go ahead and buy yours today and give yourself credit. Tell your family and associates that they can win $2500 or $1000 or third prize of $500. As we know, this money funds our important scholarship program and our summer Braille programs. Let's do it today. > > At Your Service, > > [cid:image001.png at 01CDBC37.7997B120] > [2010LogoFinal (2)] > > Office: 1-866-543-6808 > Cell: (303)929-2369 > Fax: (719)527-0129 > www.worleyenterprises.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Colorado-Talk mailing list > Colorado-Talk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Colorado-Talk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/colorado-talk_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > List archives can be found at From tristan.torres09 at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 19:05:22 2016 From: tristan.torres09 at gmail.com (Tristan Torres) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:05:22 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: <60B05ABB-34B7-4A8C-B6D2-C67F11368FC5@coe.edu> References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> <60B05ABB-34B7-4A8C-B6D2-C67F11368FC5@coe.edu> Message-ID: I think alt tags will solve the image problem, as was suggested earlier. I’m quickly learning that braille is a must if I’m to get anything out of this course. Nothing quite beats actually looking at a word with one’s hands as opposed to trying to convey it with a screen reader. Thanks for the jaws references, guys, but they don’t apply to me. I’ve been a mac user for five years now, and unless rumours are true that they’re getting rid of the keyboard, I won’t be switching to a PC any time soon. > On 29 Aug 2016, at 23:54, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > > But it really depends on what version of jaws you have. I find that I need the power points as PDFs or Word documents if there are a lot of images. > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > >> On Aug 29, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Anya Avramenko via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> I ask my professors to send PowerPoints to me directly to avoid the hassle of trying to access them online like sighted students, and they are perfectly readable with JAWS. >> A >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tristan Torres via NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Tristan Torres >> Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class >> >> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tristan.torres09%40gmail.com From codeofdusk at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 19:08:40 2016 From: codeofdusk at gmail.com (Bill Dengler) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 19:08:40 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> <60B05ABB-34B7-4A8C-B6D2-C67F11368FC5@coe.edu> Message-ID: They aren’t "getting rid of the keyboard." They’re replacing the function key row with a touch panel. Bill > On Aug 31, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L wrote: > > I think alt tags will solve the image problem, as was suggested earlier. I’m quickly learning that braille is a must if I’m to get anything out of this course. Nothing quite beats actually looking at a word with one’s hands as opposed to trying to convey it with a screen reader. Thanks for the jaws references, guys, but they don’t apply to me. I’ve been a mac user for five years now, and unless rumours are true that they’re getting rid of the keyboard, I won’t be switching to a PC any time soon. >> On 29 Aug 2016, at 23:54, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: >> >> But it really depends on what version of jaws you have. I find that I need the power points as PDFs or Word documents if there are a lot of images. >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> >>> On Aug 29, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Anya Avramenko via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> I ask my professors to send PowerPoints to me directly to avoid the hassle of trying to access them online like sighted students, and they are perfectly readable with JAWS. >>> A >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tristan Torres via NABS-L >>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Tristan Torres >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class >>> >>> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tristan.torres09%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codeofdusk%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 20:45:27 2016 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 15:45:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class In-Reply-To: References: <7200FC9D-E750-4E91-81C2-0C8E266FAE6E@gmail.com> <001c01d20255$c062ecb0$4128c610$@gmail.com> <60B05ABB-34B7-4A8C-B6D2-C67F11368FC5@coe.edu> Message-ID: Hi Tristian, Do you have access to an embossor? Do you have your German book in Braille? You can emboss notes and worksheets in hard copy Braille. O how I hope you have your book in Braille because that will be a great step on the way to seeing German in Braille. I am positive you can change the language settings on the Mac. Although I've never experimented with it myself, I doubt it's much different from the iPhone or iPad, which both allow you to have multiple languages on the rotor. Actually, it might be even easier to do language switching on the Mac as you will be able to switch between German and English with the flip of a finger... Some simple googling can tell you whether or not I'm correct about this. If you need any help with that, let me know! Thanks! Viel Gluck! On 8/31/16, Bill Dengler via NABS-L wrote: > They aren’t "getting rid of the keyboard." > They’re replacing the function key row with a touch panel. > > Bill >> On Aug 31, 2016, at 7:05 PM, Tristan Torres via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> I think alt tags will solve the image problem, as was suggested earlier. >> I’m quickly learning that braille is a must if I’m to get anything out of >> this course. Nothing quite beats actually looking at a word with one’s >> hands as opposed to trying to convey it with a screen reader. Thanks for >> the jaws references, guys, but they don’t apply to me. I’ve been a mac >> user for five years now, and unless rumours are true that they’re getting >> rid of the keyboard, I won’t be switching to a PC any time soon. >>> On 29 Aug 2016, at 23:54, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> But it really depends on what version of jaws you have. I find that I >>> need the power points as PDFs or Word documents if there are a lot of >>> images. >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> >>>> On Aug 29, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Anya Avramenko via NABS-L >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I ask my professors to send PowerPoints to me directly to avoid the >>>> hassle of trying to access them online like sighted students, and they >>>> are perfectly readable with JAWS. >>>> A >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tristan >>>> Torres via NABS-L >>>> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2016 2:06 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Cc: Tristan Torres >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help with Powerpoints and german Class >>>> >>>> Hi all. I know some of you are starting classes today, and I hope that >>>> your first day of classes have gone well, or at least better than mine >>>> has. Mine involved a broken cane. Typical Monday, Eh? At any rate, I was >>>> wondering if any of you could give me some tips on how to gain the most >>>> out of a language class as a blind person. I am taking an introductory >>>> German course, and was wondering specifically if there were any blind >>>> people who took that. If not, that’s okay too. I have already asked a >>>> blind person I know, and he recommends i get a tutor to go over any >>>> materials that I might have missed, due to a combination of not knowing >>>> the language, and what can often times be a very visual class. Do you >>>> think this is a good idea? Also, my German professor, as well as all of >>>> my other professors tend to use powerpoint a lot in their lectures. >>>> They’re often posted on blackboard well before the class so that anyone >>>> can look at them and prepare for upcoming lectures. I know that >>>> powerpoint can be successfully read by a blind person using the right >>>> program, but I was wondering if there was a more streamlined and >>>> accessible alternative to a powerpoint? In the past i have just gone >>>> without relying on the powerpoints, but think it might be helpful if I >>>> end up missing a lecture, or in the case of german, needing to be >>>> prepared before the class starts. Any ideas would be greatly >>>> appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you all. Tristan >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tristan.torres09%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codeofdusk%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie A. McGinnity President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri "For we walk by faith, not by sight" 2 Cor. 7 From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Aug 31 23:02:56 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 16:02:56 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Message-ID: <57c7623e.6593420a.31db2.5453@mx.google.com> Hi All, I am just getting acquainted with the website Blackhard, which I am using for one of my classes. It doesn't seem the most user-friendly and there is no "skip to main content" button so I have go go through some junk on every page, but I am still hoping that I can work with it. Two questions: 1. Is Blackboard generally accessible for blind people (reading documents and using the discussion boards?) 2. Do you need to create a Blackboard account with a username and password if you are already in your course? Thanks, Vejas