From bjduarte at asu.edu Thu Dec 1 01:26:37 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 18:26:37 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for November Message-ID: <103AACF8-77FB-4C2D-B181-ADF48D335072@asu.edu> Greetings NABS, Here is the link to the NABS Notes for the month of November. I would encourage you all to read through it this month as there are some very important items for us students. As always enjoy reading and if you have any questions or comments you can contact Bryan at bjduarte at asu.edu , thank you! http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-november Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D candidate National Association of Blind Students Board Member QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From nabs.president at gmail.com Thu Dec 1 12:59:41 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 07:59:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] APPLICATIONS CLOSE TOMORROW: Washington Seminar funding application Message-ID: <073801d24bd2$c8ab2380$5a016a80$@gmail.com> Fellow students, Applications close tomorrow, Friday, December 2, 2016. If you are interested in receiving some financial support to attend Washington Seminar, today is the day to apply. https://docs.google.com/a/wfu.edu/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5Y8yw5JW1jjFJ1bBo22pIi- u1mf97i4lQNYCQONiiR9490g/viewform?c=0 &w=1 Please do not hesitate to reach out with any questions. Yours, Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students (203) 273-8463 Nabs.president at gmail.com From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Dec 1 12:38:13 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 08:38:13 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates Message-ID: <0OHI006XZDVN1J50@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, Thanks so much for your responses. I actually ran into my RA the other morning while I was heading back to my room from class, and I guess the director of Residence Life forwarded him my email, because he told me that he wanted to talk to me for a minute about the problems that I'd brought up. Then he told me that, if I was OK with it, he could personally talk to my roommates and tell them to stop using my belongings. I of course told him that I was totally fine with that, so hopefully he either has or will have that conversation with my roommates. Thanks again for your help. Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: roanna bacchus via NABS-L References: <0OHI006XZDVN1J50@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I read several in this thread but not all Did you say that you gave already spoken to the roommates yourself about it? If not it would be better for your long term relationship living with them if you spoke with them not the RA On Thursday, December 1, 2016, Sami Osborne via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks so much for your responses. I actually ran into my RA the other > morning while I was heading back to my room from class, and I guess the > director of Residence Life forwarded him my email, because he told me that > he wanted to talk to me for a minute about the problems that I'd brought > up. Then he told me that, if I was OK with it, he could personally talk to > my roommates and tell them to stop using my belongings. I of course told > him that I was totally fine with that, so hopefully he either has or will > have that conversation with my roommates. > > Thanks again for your help. > > Sami > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: roanna bacchus via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 30 Nov 2016 16:44:50 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and roommates > > Hi Sami thanks for your message. It sounds like you are having a > lot of problems with your roommates. I would try to have a > conversation with them about what they are doing. I think they > are definitely taking advantage of your blindness to steal your > things. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com Fri Dec 2 17:05:17 2016 From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 17:05:17 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Fundraising committee meeting Message-ID: Hey Y'all I hope everyone is as excited about the fundraising committee meeting this Sunday as the cochairs and I are!!! I missed you all last week but from what I hear it was a productive meeting. From now until Washington seminar we will be meeting biweekly since we have a lot to do and a lot of decision to discuss. We will be heavily discussing the Washington seminar NABS café this week. We need to finalize plans in order to present them to the NABS board. In order to make this the best event to date all of your thoughts and opinions are greatly needed and appreciated! We will also be discussing in greater detail the new NABS cookbook and as always we will touch on restaurant fundraisers and our grocery store cash collection. Also a quick reminder that today is the last day to apply for NABS funding to go to Washington seminar. Below is the link to the application. Please do fill it out so we can have a strong student presence on Capitol Hill!!! https://docs.google.com/a/wfu.edu/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSf5Y8yw5JW1jjFJ1bBo22pIi-u1mf97i4lQNYCQONiiR9490g/viewform?c=0&w=1 just a reminder that the number to call in is 605-475-6700 and the pin is 7869673. If you have any questions between now and then please let me know and thank you in advance for your time. Best regards, Luke A. Schwinck Chair National Association of Blind Students Fundraising Committee From kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org Fri Dec 2 21:20:36 2016 From: kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org (Kaitlyn Millen) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:20:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon for Students Ages 15-19- Application Deadline Approaching! Message-ID: Dear NABS Members, This is a quick reminder that the early application deadline for the Leading the Way Grand Canyon program is coming up on Dec. 12th. The final application deadline is on January 13th. This is an excellent opportunity with incredible scholarship support. The program details are below. Please let us know if you have any questions! Kaitlyn Millen No Barriers USA ____________________________________________________________ ____________________ *Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy * *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/ * A group of 22 blind, visually impaired and sighted students across the U.S. ages 15-19 will have an amazing opportunity to participate in a 9-month program that includes an* expedition to the Grand Canyon with No Barriers Youth on July 14-25, 2017*. Over the course of 12 days, students will journey into the heart of Grand Canyon, learning about the importance of natural sounds, participating in meaningful science, learning about career opportunities with the National Park Service, and honing their leadership strengths. At the end of this transformative expedition, students emerge as leaders ready to face personal and global barriers with passion and perseverance and inspired and equipped to be the next generation of ambassadors for the National Park Service. No Barriers USA was co-founded by the first blind mountaineer to summit Everest, Erik Weihenmayer. Cost: *$510* + travel to Phoenix, AZ. Due to generous funding (a *$3,300 scholarship for each accepted student*) from the National Park Service's Natural Sound & Night Skies Division (NSNSD), this program has been significantly reduced from its original price. Eligible Students: Blind, Visually Impaired and Sighted, Ages 15-19 TO APPLY: Submit an online application and correlating materials here: *https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2017-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-application/ * (Preference is given to those who apply by the early deadline): Early Application Deadline: December 12, 2016 Final Application Deadline: January 13, 2017 Please contact us at LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org or call us at 970-484-3633 with any questions and share this email with those who may be interested. If you share this message, please CC LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa .org so we can see our reach. If you "like" No Barriers Youth" on Facebook, you can see our post about this program and share it on social media. You can also nominate a student here: *https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/leading-the-way-nomination-form-2017/ * Thank you for helping to spread the word and we look forward to connecting with you! -- *KAITLYN MILLEN |* * Leading the Way Program Specialist * *http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/ * *Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/ 224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521 OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322 TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073 www.nobarriersusa.org From luke.schwinck at hotmail.com Fri Dec 2 22:26:41 2016 From: luke.schwinck at hotmail.com (luke schwinck) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 22:26:41 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] committee meeting Message-ID: Hey everyone, It has been brought to my attention that I neglected to announce the time of this Sundays fundraising committee meeting. The meeting will be held at 8pm central time. I apologize of the oversight and any confusion that it may have caused. I hope to talk to you all then! Best Regards, Luke A. Schwinck Chair National Association of Blind Students Fundraising Committee From jameyanne at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 01:10:08 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 20:10:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with flow charts Message-ID: <042101d24d01$fdb1a6f0$f914f4d0$@gmail.com> Hi NABS, As finals approach, I've joined a study group, and there's been a lot of sharing of study materials that we all have made, like outlines and flow charts and stuff (this is encouraged by our professors). So I have some flow charts that, based on the way my fellow students discuss them, are pretty helpful. The flow charts were created in word or PDF. Jaws can read the text, but not the arrows and stuff, so it's not entirely clear what comes after what and where the branches are and everything. Before I ask the creator of the flow chart to go over it with me, is there an easy way to just turn the flow chart into an outline or something? Thanks for your help! Jameyanne From ka.yat.li at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 02:44:39 2016 From: ka.yat.li at gmail.com (Ka Yat Li) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 21:44:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with flow charts In-Reply-To: <042101d24d01$fdb1a6f0$f914f4d0$@gmail.com> References: <042101d24d01$fdb1a6f0$f914f4d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <44cf3ba5-138a-e721-bbc9-bd21538db1ac@gmail.com> Hi Jameyanne: Take a look at the Mind Node app for IOS. It's a mind mapping app that is fully accessible with Voiceover. You can easily create diagrams with different branches by specifying connections and labels. The app automatically organizes everything neatly so you don't have to worry about moving items manually around. Also, you can import diagrams or export them to another format so you can share the diagrams. http://mindnode.com/ has more information. Hope this helps. Ka Li On 12/2/2016 8:10 PM, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS, > > As finals approach, I've joined a study group, and there's been a lot of > sharing of study materials that we all have made, like outlines and flow > charts and stuff (this is encouraged by our professors). So I have some flow > charts that, based on the way my fellow students discuss them, are pretty > helpful. The flow charts were created in word or PDF. Jaws can read the > text, but not the arrows and stuff, so it's not entirely clear what comes > after what and where the branches are and everything. Before I ask the > creator of the flow chart to go over it with me, is there an easy way to > just turn the flow chart into an outline or something? > > Thanks for your help! > > Jameyanne > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ka.yat.li%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 14:33:34 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:33:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with flow charts In-Reply-To: <042101d24d01$fdb1a6f0$f914f4d0$@gmail.com> References: <042101d24d01$fdb1a6f0$f914f4d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <019301d24d72$3af2d910$b0d88b30$@gmail.com> It's under the export feature in word. Alt f e, then mess around and see whatyou wnt to turn it into. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 8:10 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with flow charts Hi NABS, As finals approach, I've joined a study group, and there's been a lot of sharing of study materials that we all have made, like outlines and flow charts and stuff (this is encouraged by our professors). So I have some flow charts that, based on the way my fellow students discuss them, are pretty helpful. The flow charts were created in word or PDF. Jaws can read the text, but not the arrows and stuff, so it's not entirely clear what comes after what and where the branches are and everything. Before I ask the creator of the flow chart to go over it with me, is there an easy way to just turn the flow chart into an outline or something? Thanks for your help! Jameyanne _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jldail13 at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 21:40:34 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 16:40:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Serious issue with Google sheets on iphone and BN touch Message-ID: <58433bdc.9278240a.31a50.e8ff@mx.google.com> Hi, i'm trying to use google sheets. Whenever I open certain spreadsheets, the first column in the last row, displays a very long string of characters that begins with a #. Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem once and for all? This issue makes it impossible to enter more information later. Thanks, Jessica From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Dec 3 22:28:29 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 17:28:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Serious issue with Google sheets on iphone and BN touch In-Reply-To: <58433bdc.9278240a.31a50.e8ff@mx.google.com> References: <58433bdc.9278240a.31a50.e8ff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7BBAEBFF-0BC0-489A-BC83-6141E6DF2342@houghton.edu> Hi, maybe reset the BN Touch? I think that you should talk to Humanware about the BN Touch since it is a new note taker that not many people have. It may be a bug that can be repaired in a future update. I wish I could help you more and hopefully somebody that can will reply. > On Dec 3, 2016, at 16:40, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > i'm trying to use google sheets. > Whenever I open certain spreadsheets, the first column in the last row, displays a very long string of characters that begins with a #. > Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem once and for all? > This issue makes it impossible to enter more information later. > Thanks, > Jessica > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 03:09:32 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 21:09:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Message-ID: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Dear All, I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! Sent from Ahbee's iPhone From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 04:01:18 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 23:01:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi, Ahbee, I'm sure you'll hear plenty of suggestions here, but my experience of going to college right after high school has been a pretty positive one. I would recommend knocking out any gen ed courses through AP credit you can. Though it isn't a center, I was forced in some ways to learn and work on independence skills in cooking, cleaning, and independent travel which have served me well while living on my own and with roommates. However, if you're considering Hadley, I also had a very good experience with them. My high school actually messed up in a complicated situation that dealt with my schedule and IeP, but I was able to take a Hadley course on adjustment to blindness and satisfy the state health requirement through a course substitution. My impression was that the courses were easy to understand and the instructor was pretty helpful, and I enjoyed taking the class through an independent study and online format. Best of luck to you as you make your decisions. HTH. On 12/3/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and > college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP > courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between > Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual > enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to > get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, > and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and > prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year > I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. > What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From misokwak12 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 04:11:56 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 20:11:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ahbee, First I commend you for thinking ahead and trying to weigh your options. A little bit about myself... I am currently a senior at UCLA. I went to a academically competitive high school where I took honors and AP courses and in the summer between my senior year and college freshman year I went to a NFB training center for 8 weeks. I thought about attending training full time after undergrad or in the middle of undergrad at one point but I decided not to do that at least as of now. I moved out to an off campus apartment in my junior year of college where I was forced to do a lot of things on my own like cooking, getting groceries, cleaning my kitchen, etc. I also had an internship to fulfil my course requirement so I had to travel on my own in the city. After that I feel pretty comfortable about my blindness skills and don't feel the need to attend training. This being said, you are the best person who know about yourself. People on the NABS list can give you suggestions but in the end you know what your aspirations are, how you feel about your blindness skills are, etc. I want to suggest that you take AP courses and/or do dual enrollment with a local community college. Some people on this list may disagree but I believe that you have one opportunity to attend high school, take classes, enjoy social life etc. Once you are older than high school age, you will never have the opportunity to take AP courses, take advantage of extracurricular activities, etc. However, you can decide to attend training any time you want whether you are 18, 25, or 40 or older. If training is one of your priorities, you can complete four years of your high school, secure a spot in college, defer your enrollment for a year, and during the year between your senior year of high school and college freshman year you can attend a training center. Best of luck! --Miso On 12/3/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and > college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP > courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between > Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual > enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to > get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, > and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and > prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year > I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. > What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From desai1shikha at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 04:35:06 2016 From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 23:35:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You don't have to go to training after high school I went to lcb because I wasn't ready for college. I did not take the sat or act i took the compass test at my community school. I went to lcb after graduating from high school My vision drastically decreased in high school. I have rp so i could be completely blind one day. Try to figure out what you like to do so you can pick your major I transferred to georgia state university last fall. I love helping people so i picked social work. Volunteering will help. It is good to plan ahead. It is your life so only you can know what you want. I don't mind helping! Shikha. > On Dec 3, 2016, at 11:01 PM, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, Ahbee, > > I'm sure you'll hear plenty of suggestions here, but my experience of > going to college right after high school has been a pretty positive > one. I would recommend knocking out any gen ed courses through AP > credit you can. Though it isn't a center, I was forced in some ways > to learn and work on independence skills in cooking, cleaning, and > independent travel which have served me well while living on my own > and with roommates. However, if you're considering Hadley, I also had > a very good experience with them. My high school actually messed up > in a complicated situation that dealt with my schedule and IeP, but I > was able to take a Hadley course on adjustment to blindness and > satisfy the state health requirement through a course substitution. > My impression was that the courses were easy to understand and the > instructor was pretty helpful, and I enjoyed taking the class through > an independent study and online format. Best of luck to you as you > make your decisions. HTH. > >> On 12/3/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and >> college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP >> courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between >> Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual >> enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to >> get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, >> and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and >> prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year >> I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. >> What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >> >> >> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/desai1shikha%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 09:24:27 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (Justin Williams) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 04:24:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033301d24e10$3649dfa0$a2dd9ee0$@gmail.com> Feel it out; I went to college right after high school. You don't have to go to a training center after high school, or at all, but if you need it, or if you just really want the experience, you can. I've also noticed that people go after they graduate undergrad, and before they enter grad school. If you feel you need it, then go. But, if not, then go to college and carry on with your career. If you want to go, you'll need to justify that to your vocational rehabilitation at your agency for the blind. They will want to know why their state program is not good enough. Honestly, if you can go, or you think it will really benefit you, do it, but only if you want to. As far as college, decide what kind of environment you thrive in. Do you like a large university with its many facilities, would you prefer a smaller liberal arts college, is the community college your scene. Would you like to go to college in a big city, or a small town. You can choose a small college in a big city, or a large college in a small town. Or a large college in a big city. I'm sure there are many things in between. Decide what skills you want to use to impact the world; that will help to choose your college major. Make sure you know your preferred accommodations which helps determine whether your office for student disability is a good fit. Decide what kind of on campus and off campus experience you want. If you'd like to talk off list, then e-mail me; I just kept everything basic, but when you do this, you are going to get more detailed because your transition experience is important and integral to your overall career. Justin -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Kaiti Shelton Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Hi, Ahbee, I'm sure you'll hear plenty of suggestions here, but my experience of going to college right after high school has been a pretty positive one. I would recommend knocking out any gen ed courses through AP credit you can. Though it isn't a center, I was forced in some ways to learn and work on independence skills in cooking, cleaning, and independent travel which have served me well while living on my own and with roommates. However, if you're considering Hadley, I also had a very good experience with them. My high school actually messed up in a complicated situation that dealt with my schedule and IeP, but I was able to take a Hadley course on adjustment to blindness and satisfy the state health requirement through a course substitution. My impression was that the courses were easy to understand and the instructor was pretty helpful, and I enjoyed taking the class through an independent study and online format. Best of luck to you as you make your decisions. HTH. On 12/3/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and > college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's > AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid > between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could > participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school > offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option > is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. > I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I > also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. > What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From mausbun at unr.edu Sun Dec 4 17:39:02 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:39:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236F6080@UBOX2.unr.edu> Dear Ahbee: I hope you are doing well, and I hope this year has been extra good to you since NFB E Q. I am going to offer you some advice that I have gotten, and explain my story a little for justification. I went blind at age six, and I grew up here in rural Nevada, with no blindness role models, or other blind people–besides five other kids, three of which were braille readers. I did not know of any resources that were available, as my family was a part of the lower socioeconomic class, and, because blindness is not something that has ever been in my family. I have always been a little more than averagely intelligent, but I never took my ADL training seriously. I thought there was something drastically wrong with me–I was visually impaired. I was inattentive to my braille learning, hardly bothered with orientation and mobility, and generally pushed back against everyone. I graduated high school with a 2.7, although the 2.7 was inflated due to me getting a 4.15 (all A’s with three AP classes) my senior year. I have done fine in college. I am graduating a semester early. I was eligible to graduate a year early. I have a decent GPA, and I have been incredibly active in my university community. As many people are aware, I found the Federation in early November 2014. Though I have been largely successful since graduating high school, I have come to recognize a couple of facts; mostly from being able to observe people like my fiancé Bre Brown, a good friend of mine Jerad nylin, President of our Iowa Affiliate, and several of my mentors like Norma Crosby, President Mark Riccobono, Anil Lewis, and Pam Allen. My ADL skills are not where I want them to be. I read both grade one and grade two, Spanish, German, computer braille, and even some random symbolic logic formula my school cooked up. I travel places mostly independently. I cannot cook, outside of following simple instructions, although I clean decently…sometimes. I know though that I could improve upon my skills, and, in doing so, reach levels of independence and self-actualization I have only thought about. Be it training or school, both will always be present as options. What you need to do, is like what others have said. Determine what you want to do first by evaluating your own strengths and weaknesses, and then make the best decision for yourself. For me, I wish that I had gone to training before I went to college. I have done well; I have been president of six clubs, advocated for several different marginalized groups, competed in collegiate debate, and been a member of my student government. I always wonder though, if I would have went to training first, how might things have been different. Might I have done even better in school, if my ADL skills were better? Might I have lived on my own away from family, and transformed into a different person entirely? The world may never know, but its fun to think about. I want you to know, my opinion about training, if you ever ask, is extremely bias. I want to go so badly, it hurts. Though I do not believe everyone needs to go to training to live independent and productive lives, I do think everyone’s skills can do with some adjustment, straightening, and refining. That is why I plan on going to training in the future. Best of luck to you, and keep in touch mentee! Respectfully, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. ________________________________________ From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:09 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Ahbee Orton Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Dear All, I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! Sent from Ahbee's iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Dec 4 18:36:10 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 12:36:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236F6080@UBOX2.unr.edu> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236F6080@UBOX2.unr.edu> Message-ID: I do like what Michael said. However, I tend to agree with the advice that you only have high school once. I wouldn't necessarily advise graduating early. You will miss out on many important social aspects, which can give you very important skills for college. Baron mind, college is as much about being socially adept as academically adapt. If training is something you want, you can do it at any time is my understanding. Whatever you decide to do, good luck! And have fun! Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Dec 4, 2016, at 11:39 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear Ahbee: > I hope you are doing well, and I hope this year has been extra good to you since NFB E Q. I am going to offer you some advice that I have gotten, and explain my story a little for justification. > I went blind at age six, and I grew up here in rural Nevada, with no blindness role models, or other blind people–besides five other kids, three of which were braille readers. I did not know of any resources that were available, as my family was a part of the lower socioeconomic class, and, because blindness is not something that has ever been in my family. > I have always been a little more than averagely intelligent, but I never took my ADL training seriously. I thought there was something drastically wrong with me–I was visually impaired. I was inattentive to my braille learning, hardly bothered with orientation and mobility, and generally pushed back against everyone. I graduated high school with a 2.7, although the 2.7 was inflated due to me getting a 4.15 (all A’s with three AP classes) my senior year. > I have done fine in college. I am graduating a semester early. I was eligible to graduate a year early. I have a decent GPA, and I have been incredibly active in my university community. As many people are aware, I found the Federation in early November 2014. > Though I have been largely successful since graduating high school, I have come to recognize a couple of facts; mostly from being able to observe people like my fiancé Bre Brown, a good friend of mine Jerad nylin, President of our Iowa Affiliate, and several of my mentors like Norma Crosby, President Mark Riccobono, Anil Lewis, and Pam Allen. My ADL skills are not where I want them to be. I read both grade one and grade two, Spanish, German, computer braille, and even some random symbolic logic formula my school cooked up. I travel places mostly independently. I cannot cook, outside of following simple instructions, although I clean decently…sometimes. I know though that I could improve upon my skills, and, in doing so, reach levels of independence and self-actualization I have only thought about. > Be it training or school, both will always be present as options. What you need to do, is like what others have said. Determine what you want to do first by evaluating your own strengths and weaknesses, and then make the best decision for yourself. For me, I wish that I had gone to training before I went to college. I have done well; I have been president of six clubs, advocated for several different marginalized groups, competed in collegiate debate, and been a member of my student government. I always wonder though, if I would have went to training first, how might things have been different. Might I have done even better in school, if my ADL skills were better? Might I have lived on my own away from family, and transformed into a different person entirely? > The world may never know, but its fun to think about. I want you to know, my opinion about training, if you ever ask, is extremely bias. I want to go so badly, it hurts. Though I do not believe everyone needs to go to training to live independent and productive lives, I do think everyone’s skills can do with some adjustment, straightening, and refining. That is why I plan on going to training in the future. > Best of luck to you, and keep in touch mentee! > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun, Secretary > National Association of Blind Students > A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind > You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > ________________________________________ > From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Ahbee Orton via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2016 7:09 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Ahbee Orton > Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life > > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 19:45:13 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:45:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ahbee, It sounds like you are aware of the programs available to you, which is great. Personally, I would recommend taking a whole year off for training, although I completely respect these who have not. Not only will you be able to gain skills without having to worry about academics, you will also grow socially. Which will be able to help you as well. If you do decide to go down this route, however, I would recommend applying for colleges the year before you go to training. That way, all you will need to worry about is your training and any scholarships you choose to apply for. Vejas > On Dec 3, 2016, at 19:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 19:49:54 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 11:49:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <033301d24e10$3649dfa0$a2dd9ee0$@gmail.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> <033301d24e10$3649dfa0$a2dd9ee0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you do decide to go to training at an NFB center, like Justin said you will need to justify. The best way to go about this is to visit your state's training centres and compare. Vejas > On Dec 4, 2016, at 01:24, Justin Williams via NABS-L wrote: > > Feel it out; I went to college right after high school. You don't have to > go to a training center after high school, or at all, but if you need it, > or if you just really want the experience, you can. I've also noticed that > people go after they graduate undergrad, and before they enter grad school. > If you feel you need it, then go. But, if not, then go to college and carry > on with your career. If you want to go, you'll need to justify that to your > vocational rehabilitation at your agency for the blind. They will want to > know why their state program is not good enough. Honestly, if you can go, > or you think it will really benefit you, do it, but only if you want to. > As far as college, decide what kind of environment you thrive in. > Do you like a large university with its many facilities, would you prefer a > smaller liberal arts college, is the community college your scene. Would > you like to go to college in a big city, or a small town. You can choose a > small college in a big city, or a large college in a small town. Or a large > college in a big city. I'm sure there are many things in between. Decide > what skills you want to use to impact the world; that will help to choose > your college major. Make sure you know your preferred accommodations which > helps determine whether your office for student disability is a good fit. > Decide what kind of on campus and off campus experience you want. If you'd > like to talk off list, then e-mail me; I just kept everything basic, but > when you do this, you are going to get more detailed because your transition > experience is important and integral to your overall career. > > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > via NABS-L > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 11:01 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Kaiti Shelton > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life > > Hi, Ahbee, > > I'm sure you'll hear plenty of suggestions here, but my experience of going > to college right after high school has been a pretty positive one. I would > recommend knocking out any gen ed courses through AP credit you can. Though > it isn't a center, I was forced in some ways to learn and work on > independence skills in cooking, cleaning, and independent travel which have > served me well while living on my own and with roommates. However, if > you're considering Hadley, I also had a very good experience with them. My > high school actually messed up in a complicated situation that dealt with my > schedule and IeP, but I was able to take a Hadley course on adjustment to > blindness and satisfy the state health requirement through a course > substitution. > My impression was that the courses were easy to understand and the > instructor was pretty helpful, and I enjoyed taking the class through an > independent study and online format. Best of luck to you as you make your > decisions. HTH. > >> On 12/3/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> Dear All, >> >> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and >> college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's >> AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid >> between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could >> participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school >> offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option >> is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. >> I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I >> also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I > could finish early and do the training center. >> What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >> >> >> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Sun Dec 4 20:20:13 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 14:20:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <509F19F4-3730-488A-AD87-3703EE963ACC@yahoo.com> Hi All, Thank you for giving me your input and your thoughts. I am really leaning towards going to training for 6 to 9 months, but I'm still considering whether to finish high school at my public school with AP courses, participating in dual enrollment and the like, or go the route of Hadley courses and possibly a little of homeschooling. Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ahbee, > It sounds like you are aware of the programs available to you, which is great. > Personally, I would recommend taking a whole year off for training, although I completely respect these who have not. Not only will you be able to gain skills without having to worry about academics, you will also grow socially. Which will be able to help you as well. > If you do decide to go down this route, however, I would recommend applying for colleges the year before you go to training. That way, all you will need to worry about is your training and any scholarships you choose to apply for. > Vejas > >> On Dec 3, 2016, at 19:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >> >> >> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 21:42:25 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 16:42:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <509F19F4-3730-488A-AD87-3703EE963ACC@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> <509F19F4-3730-488A-AD87-3703EE963ACC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also think it's important to consider the skills you want to work on, the skills you currently have or could improve upon using local resources while attending school, and if taking 6-9 months at a center is justified as being a pressing thing now. For me, I have no desire to do shop and often take shortcuts while cooking not because I'm less independent, but because sighted people don't universally know these things or cook from scratch, too. e.G, my mom and sister are sighted and capable people, yet my dad has the carpentry and other handy skills to fix things so they call him. We also all use frozen veggies, pre-chopped produce, etc sometimes not because we're unable to independently chop or work with fresh produce, but because it just saves time. I'm certainly not saying my skills can't stand to be improved or that I wouldn't like to learn more, but I'm at a place now where I have learned what I need to know in order to be an independent student, traveler, cook, and housekeeper. I'm not taking either Blind Inc. or Colorado off the table, but they're not pressing things compared to starting my career for me right now. I could do things like shop at the centers, and then never touch a circular saw or a 2X4 again in my life, so it's a matter of really avaluating what would best serve you now. Of course, though I don't think the centers are for everyone at a given time in life, I do support them and the fantastic work they do, as well as people who do feel like the training would be helpful to them. On 12/4/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > Thank you for giving me your input and your thoughts. I am really leaning > towards going to training for 6 to 9 months, but I'm still considering > whether to finish high school at my public school with AP courses, > participating in dual enrollment and the like, or go the route of Hadley > courses and possibly a little of homeschooling. > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > >> On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi Ahbee, >> It sounds like you are aware of the programs available to you, which is >> great. >> Personally, I would recommend taking a whole year off for training, >> although I completely respect these who have not. Not only will you be >> able to gain skills without having to worry about academics, you will also >> grow socially. Which will be able to help you as well. >> If you do decide to go down this route, however, I would recommend >> applying for colleges the year before you go to training. That way, all >> you will need to worry about is your training and any scholarships you >> choose to apply for. >> Vejas >> >>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 19:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and >>> college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP >>> courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between >>> Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual >>> enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, >>> to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next >>> year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I >>> wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training >>> center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the >>> training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >>> >>> >>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 22:03:25 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 17:03:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> <509F19F4-3730-488A-AD87-3703EE963ACC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ahbee, As you read my response, keep in mind that I graduated from high school 13 years ago. So, some things may be different now than they were then. But in case they aren't, I wanted to address your AP vs. dual enrollment quandary. I had the same choice during the last two years of high school, and I chose the AP route. In hindsight I slightly wish I had done dual enrollment instead of AP. The main reason is that AP courses aren't as rigorous as their college equivalents, and if you are taking AP courses in your major/field of study, you may find that the AP credits aren't accepted by your major to fulfill requirements. In my case, I planned to major in biology and I took AP biology during my senior year of high school. During freshman orientation for college, I was told that an AP biology course wouldn't count toward the basic biology requirement for biology majors because it didn't have a rigorous enough lab component. Luckily I got this news before I took the AP exam, so I opted out of taking the AP exam and took biology again in college so it would count. But I was annoyed that nobody told me this (as were my parents who had already paid for me to take the AP test and never got their money back). The other thing about AP courses is that they're basically set up to help you pass a test. Sometimes that means the actual quality of the course is subpar, and it may not line up well with the second-year college courses you would take afterward. Basically what I would suggest is to only take AP courses in subjects you don't care much about (such as English if you're not planning to be an English major), and use dual enrollment for courses you do care about and that might be part of your college major. Those dual enrollment courses will transfer more easily into your major once you are a full-time college student. HTH, Arielle On 12/4/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: > I also think it's important to consider the skills you want to work > on, the skills you currently have or could improve upon using local > resources while attending school, and if taking 6-9 months at a center > is justified as being a pressing thing now. For me, I have no desire > to do shop and often take shortcuts while cooking not because I'm less > independent, but because sighted people don't universally know these > things or cook from scratch, too. e.G, my mom and sister are sighted > and capable people, yet my dad has the carpentry and other handy > skills to fix things so they call him. We also all use frozen > veggies, pre-chopped produce, etc sometimes not because we're unable > to independently chop or work with fresh produce, but because it just > saves time. I'm certainly not saying my skills can't stand to be > improved or that I wouldn't like to learn more, but I'm at a place now > where I have learned what I need to know in order to be an independent > student, traveler, cook, and housekeeper. I'm not taking either Blind > Inc. or Colorado off the table, but they're not pressing things > compared to starting my career for me right now. I could do things > like shop at the centers, and then never touch a circular saw or a 2X4 > again in my life, so it's a matter of really avaluating what would > best serve you now. Of course, though I don't think the centers are > for everyone at a given time in life, I do support them and the > fantastic work they do, as well as people who do feel like the > training would be helpful to them. > > On 12/4/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi All, >> Thank you for giving me your input and your thoughts. I am really leaning >> towards going to training for 6 to 9 months, but I'm still considering >> whether to finish high school at my public school with AP courses, >> participating in dual enrollment and the like, or go the route of Hadley >> courses and possibly a little of homeschooling. >> >> >> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >> >>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Ahbee, >>> It sounds like you are aware of the programs available to you, which is >>> great. >>> Personally, I would recommend taking a whole year off for training, >>> although I completely respect these who have not. Not only will you be >>> able to gain skills without having to worry about academics, you will >>> also >>> grow socially. Which will be able to help you as well. >>> If you do decide to go down this route, however, I would recommend >>> applying for colleges the year before you go to training. That way, all >>> you will need to worry about is your training and any scholarships you >>> choose to apply for. >>> Vejas >>> >>>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 19:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear All, >>>> >>>> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and >>>> college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP >>>> courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid >>>> between >>>> Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in >>>> dual >>>> enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a >>>> college, >>>> to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley >>>> next >>>> year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I >>>> wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a >>>> training >>>> center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do >>>> the >>>> training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Dec 4 22:24:44 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 16:24:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> <509F19F4-3730-488A-AD87-3703EE963ACC@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I want to provide a counter-argument to what Arielle mentioned. Even if AP classes don't count towards your major, you will gain a lot by taking them. They teach you how to write at the college level, how to manage a super-human workload, and how to handle failure with grace and resilience. Also, bear in mind that some colleges give priority when it comes to housing to students who have credit coming in, and ! Includes AP credit that you get from passing the test. So, if you have AP credit, even if you still have to take the class at your college, you might have a better chance of getting the housing you want. I would also like to point out that for many majors, you can get out of taking an intro-level class if you get a good score on the AP test. (Biology is the exception, due to the reason Arielle mentioned.) And overall, it just looks really really good on college applications if you can say that you put in the work to do well in an AP class. (They are quite rigorous, since you are basically taking a college class in high school.). And you'll gain comfidence! Obviously, I am advocating the AP route, but I have also never taken Hadley courses, and I am certain that others would have a much better perspective when it comes to these courses. Good luck! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Dec 4, 2016, at 4:03 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ahbee, > As you read my response, keep in mind that I graduated from high > school 13 years ago. So, some things may be different now than they > were then. But in case they aren't, I wanted to address your AP vs. > dual enrollment quandary. I had the same choice during the last two > years of high school, and I chose the AP route. In hindsight I > slightly wish I had done dual enrollment instead of AP. The main > reason is that AP courses aren't as rigorous as their college > equivalents, and if you are taking AP courses in your major/field of > study, you may find that the AP credits aren't accepted by your major > to fulfill requirements. In my case, I planned to major in biology and > I took AP biology during my senior year of high school. During > freshman orientation for college, I was told that an AP biology course > wouldn't count toward the basic biology requirement for biology majors > because it didn't have a rigorous enough lab component. Luckily I got > this news before I took the AP exam, so I opted out of taking the AP > exam and took biology again in college so it would count. But I was > annoyed that nobody told me this (as were my parents who had already > paid for me to take the AP test and never got their money back). The > other thing about AP courses is that they're basically set up to help > you pass a test. Sometimes that means the actual quality of the course > is subpar, and it may not line up well with the second-year college > courses you would take afterward. Basically what I would suggest is to > only take AP courses in subjects you don't care much about (such as > English if you're not planning to be an English major), and use dual > enrollment for courses you do care about and that might be part of > your college major. Those dual enrollment courses will transfer more > easily into your major once you are a full-time college student. > HTH, Arielle > >> On 12/4/16, Kaiti Shelton via NABS-L wrote: >> I also think it's important to consider the skills you want to work >> on, the skills you currently have or could improve upon using local >> resources while attending school, and if taking 6-9 months at a center >> is justified as being a pressing thing now. For me, I have no desire >> to do shop and often take shortcuts while cooking not because I'm less >> independent, but because sighted people don't universally know these >> things or cook from scratch, too. e.G, my mom and sister are sighted >> and capable people, yet my dad has the carpentry and other handy >> skills to fix things so they call him. We also all use frozen >> veggies, pre-chopped produce, etc sometimes not because we're unable >> to independently chop or work with fresh produce, but because it just >> saves time. I'm certainly not saying my skills can't stand to be >> improved or that I wouldn't like to learn more, but I'm at a place now >> where I have learned what I need to know in order to be an independent >> student, traveler, cook, and housekeeper. I'm not taking either Blind >> Inc. or Colorado off the table, but they're not pressing things >> compared to starting my career for me right now. I could do things >> like shop at the centers, and then never touch a circular saw or a 2X4 >> again in my life, so it's a matter of really avaluating what would >> best serve you now. Of course, though I don't think the centers are >> for everyone at a given time in life, I do support them and the >> fantastic work they do, as well as people who do feel like the >> training would be helpful to them. >> >>> On 12/4/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> Thank you for giving me your input and your thoughts. I am really leaning >>> towards going to training for 6 to 9 months, but I'm still considering >>> whether to finish high school at my public school with AP courses, >>> participating in dual enrollment and the like, or go the route of Hadley >>> courses and possibly a little of homeschooling. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 4, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Ahbee, >>>> It sounds like you are aware of the programs available to you, which is >>>> great. >>>> Personally, I would recommend taking a whole year off for training, >>>> although I completely respect these who have not. Not only will you be >>>> able to gain skills without having to worry about academics, you will >>>> also >>>> grow socially. Which will be able to help you as well. >>>> If you do decide to go down this route, however, I would recommend >>>> applying for colleges the year before you go to training. That way, all >>>> you will need to worry about is your training and any scholarships you >>>> choose to apply for. >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>>> On Dec 3, 2016, at 19:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear All, >>>>> >>>>> I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and >>>>> college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP >>>>> courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid >>>>> between >>>>> Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in >>>>> dual >>>>> enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a >>>>> college, >>>>> to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley >>>>> next >>>>> year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I >>>>> wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a >>>>> training >>>>> center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do >>>>> the >>>>> training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Dec 4 23:34:27 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 18:34:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college Message-ID: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> Hi all, I have been following the thread that Ahbee started, and finally decided to post my own question. I am a junior in high school, and have been thinking a lot about college. What is the number one thing you would recommend me to do in order to prepare for college? When I talk about preparing for college, I am not just talking about the academics. I want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of college life. Thank you. Mikayla From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 23:38:41 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:38:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college In-Reply-To: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> References: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> Message-ID: <000901d24e87$8c583c30$a508b490$@gmail.com> Hi All, I am also a junior in highschool and was wondering the same. Thanks, Nesma -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mikayla Gephart Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college Hi all, I have been following the thread that Ahbee started, and finally decided to post my own question. I am a junior in high school, and have been thinking a lot about college. What is the number one thing you would recommend me to do in order to prepare for college? When I talk about preparing for college, I am not just talking about the academics. I want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of college life. Thank you. Mikayla _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From lizzym0827 at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:40:19 2016 From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:40:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Message-ID: <5844b7a3.b236c80a.2682d.5170@mx.google.com> Hi Ahbee, The advice that you've received thus far is great, I just want to add that doing things early is good but not at all necessary in this case. I'm definitely someone who believes in high standards, working hard, pushing yourself etc. but there really is no need to finish high school early or attend a training center during your senior year of what would have been high school. Bear in mind, I'm not sure how old you are but let's just say that you'd be 17 during your senior year. You have to decide what that might look like for you socially at a training center, academically in terms of AP credits that you'd potentially be missing out on and economically if those classes could have saved you money. I'd also just like to add that in my experience, the advanced placement courses in themselves prepared me for college in ways that others did not. It's not just about the credits, it's about the expectations of the course (which may force you to change your study habits), and the style of the classes (which may vary slightly depending on your school). Teachers really do try to make it a simulation of the college classroom and that is something that I'd highly recommend taking advantage of if you can, because it lessens the learning curve of college when you get there. I definitely think training is a good idea, but I don't necessarily think that graduating high school early is in this case. However, that largely depends on you, so like Miso said, do what makes you feel comfortable. HTH, Lizzy From misokwak12 at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 00:56:16 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 16:56:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college In-Reply-To: <000901d24e87$8c583c30$a508b490$@gmail.com> References: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> <000901d24e87$8c583c30$a508b490$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Other than the academics, I would recommend doing research on different colleges and universities in your spare time. Pick out schools that you want to apply to. Read on their admissions requirement, what their students have to say, what programs are offered etc. And if you can, I recommend that you visit the schools that you are interested in. Bookshare has more than handful of books that talk about different colleges and admission strategies. Talking to your guidance counselor is also a good idea. Secondly in addition to doing well in your classes, enjoy and invest in extracurricular activities you have been part of so far whether that is NFB local chapter, school clubs, or religious community that you may be a part of. Such activities shape your character, leave you with invaluable memories, and could be useful when you have to write admission essays next summer/fall. Cheers, Miso On 12/4/16, Nesma Aly via NABS-L wrote: > Hi All, > I am also a junior in highschool and was wondering the same. > Thanks, > Nesma > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > via NABS-L > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 6:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Mikayla Gephart > Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college > > Hi all, > I have been following the thread that Ahbee started, and finally > decided to post my own question. I am a junior in high school, and have > been > thinking a lot about college. What is the number one thing you would > recommend me to do in order to prepare for college? When I talk about > preparing for college, I am not just talking about the academics. I want to > learn as much as I can about all aspects of college life. Thank you. > Mikayla > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From mausbun at unr.edu Mon Dec 5 01:08:50 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 01:08:50 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college In-Reply-To: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> References: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236F6247@UBOX2.unr.edu> Mikayla: I find this question to be rather difficult to answer, because there are many components that go into having a full and productive college experience. Of course, there are the typical actions, like finding a campus that best suits you; locating a major that you will (A) enjoy, and (B) obtain you gainful employment; and all of the other little things that goes into getting you prepared. I personally loved two components more in my college experience than any others. First, Greek life. I am a proud Assistant Alumnus Adviser for the Kappa Sigma Fraternity. I went into rush week looking for an organization that had similar ideals as myself–a focus on leadership, scholarship, and service. Additionally, I wanted to broaden my social experience, as I was someone who too often put my head in my books, and would not surface for a couple of hours. Kappa Sigma granted me all of those qualities, and more. Secondly, collegiate debate. I participated in an activity termed ‘Parliamentary debate,’ and my university belongs to the greater organization the National Parliamentary Debate Association (NPDA). NPDA, as well as Lincoln Douglas and Policy debate fine-tune your critical thinking skills, research capabilities, and communication methods. Though the activity is not conducive to someone who is blind, there are ways to adapt the space to make the space more inclusive. Though I already had a passion for philosophy and politics, debate further strengthened my commitment to those and advocacy on the local, state, and federal levels. Additionally, nothing was more rewarding than being named an All-American for the NPDA alongside two others, finishing the season ranked 17 in the nation, and receiving a forensics award for being the top forensics competitor at the University of Nevada–in the span of two years. I suppose the short answer would be to identify your interests. There are dozens of organizations to get involved in on campus, and off campus. There are activities weekly, and lots of majors to pick from. Depending on your interests, you can select the ones that best fit you. For me, my interest in philosophy, law, and politics lead me into the student government, debate, a college fraternity, nineteen other clubs, and the National Federation of the Blind. Good luck! Michael Ausbun ________________________________________ From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mikayla Gephart Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college Hi all, I have been following the thread that Ahbee started, and finally decided to post my own question. I am a junior in high school, and have been thinking a lot about college. What is the number one thing you would recommend me to do in order to prepare for college? When I talk about preparing for college, I am not just talking about the academics. I want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of college life. Thank you. Mikayla _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 02:13:14 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:13:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college In-Reply-To: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> References: <71121F07-09EF-4982-9B97-40A1DA817940@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4468B54D-BA0C-4DB9-9814-F36FE16411F1@gmail.com> I haven't yet read the replies, but I think there is no actual "number 1 thing." However, I would say based on my own experience: 1. Don't limit yourself. Don't pick a small school because you don't think you will be able to get around campus, pick a small school because you genuinely like that environment. Same goes for in-state and out-of-state. My second piece of advice would be to not wait until the very last minute. Teachers are very busy, so it is important that you tell them way in advance when you need a letter of recommendation. If you wait until the very last week, something might have come up and it's not the teacher's fault because they could have done in farther in advance. Applications may require you to give information you may not have and need to consult someone else for which is another reason you shouldn't go last-minute. I would say as a general rule have a copy of your unofficial transcript in hand when you are filling out the application because often you will be asked to extract information from it. Vejas > On Dec 4, 2016, at 15:34, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > I have been following the thread that Ahbee started, and finally decided to post my own question. I am a junior in high school, and have been thinking a lot about college. What is the number one thing you would recommend me to do in order to prepare for college? When I talk about preparing for college, I am not just talking about the academics. I want to learn as much as I can about all aspects of college life. Thank you. > Mikayla > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 12:59:17 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 06:59:17 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <5844b7a3.b236c80a.2682d.5170@mx.google.com> References: <5844b7a3.b236c80a.2682d.5170@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How many AP courses did you take at once, if you took any? It would be a lot to take four courses, but did you do that at one time? Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > On Dec 4, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Lizzy via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Ahbee, > The advice that you've received thus far is great, I just want to add that doing things early is good but not at all necessary in this case. I'm definitely someone who believes in high standards, working hard, pushing yourself etc. but there really is no need to finish high school early or attend a training center during your senior year of what would have been high school. Bear in mind, I'm not sure how old you are but let's just say that you'd be 17 during your senior year. You have to decide what that might look like for you socially at a training center, academically in terms of AP credits that you'd potentially be missing out on and economically if those classes could have saved you money. I'd also just like to add that in my experience, the advanced placement courses in themselves prepared me for college in ways that others did not. It's not just about the credits, it's about the expectations of the course (which may force you to change your study habits), and the style of the classes (which may vary slightly depending on your school). Teachers really do try to make it a simulation of the college classroom and that is something that I'd highly recommend taking advantage of if you can, because it lessens the learning curve of college when you get there. I definitely think training is a good idea, but I don't necessarily think that graduating high school early is in this case. However, that largely depends on you, so like Miso said, do what makes you feel comfortable. > HTH, > Lizzy > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com From misokwak12 at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 15:28:29 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 07:28:29 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: References: <5844b7a3.b236c80a.2682d.5170@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ahbee, I took 1 AP course in my 10th, 2 in 11th, and 3 in 12th grade totaling in 6 AP credits. I believe it gave me about 30 units when I started my undergrad. Taking 4 AP at once would be a lot but I know friends who have done it. It's up to you. It is also up to how many AP courses are offered at your school. Someone who took only 3 AP courses because his/her school offered only 3 AP course options vs. someone who took 3 AP courses when his/her school offers 12 AP courses would be evaluated differently during the college admission process. Hope this makes sense. --Miso On 12/5/16, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > How many AP courses did you take at once, if you took any? It would be a lot > to take four courses, but did you do that at one time? > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > >> On Dec 4, 2016, at 6:40 PM, Lizzy via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi Ahbee, >> The advice that you've received thus far is great, I just want to add that >> doing things early is good but not at all necessary in this case. I'm >> definitely someone who believes in high standards, working hard, pushing >> yourself etc. but there really is no need to finish high school early or >> attend a training center during your senior year of what would have been >> high school. Bear in mind, I'm not sure how old you are but let's just >> say that you'd be 17 during your senior year. You have to decide what >> that might look like for you socially at a training center, academically >> in terms of AP credits that you'd potentially be missing out on and >> economically if those classes could have saved you money. I'd also just >> like to add that in my experience, the advanced placement courses in >> themselves prepared me for college in ways that others did not. It's not >> just about the credits, it's about the expectations of the course (which >> may force you to change your study habits), and the style of the classes >> (which may vary slightly depending on your school). Teachers really do >> try to make it a simulation of the college classroom and that is something >> that I'd highly recommend taking advantage of if you can, because it >> lessens the learning curve of college when you get there. I definitely >> think training is a good idea, but I don't necessarily think that >> graduating high school early is in this case. However, that largely >> depends on you, so like Miso said, do what makes you feel comfortable. >> HTH, >> Lizzy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From lizzym0827 at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 15:33:46 2016 From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 10:33:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Message-ID: <5845890b.1635c80a.84c80.ebd8@mx.google.com> Hi Ahbee, Taking four APs at once is doable, but also quite stressful. I would recommend looking at your social, academic and extracurricular schedule to see how much time you'll have to devote to each class. Also, remember that you'll want to make time to visit/research colleges so that you can be ready to apply in the fall of your senior year. I personally took 3 each year because I was very involved in extracurricular activities. Not to mention, some of the APs that I chose were especially challenging because I'm not a huge fan of math or science. If you choose to go the AP route, be sure to take a mix of classes that you'll enjoy, and that will challenge you (this is very similar to how you'll choose your courses in college). Sometimes you'll find both qualities in one class. HTH, Lizzy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahbee Orton wrote: Hi Ahbee, The advice that you've received thus far is great, I just want to add that doing things early is good but not at all necessary in this case. I'm definitely someone who believes in high standards, working hard, pushing yourself etc. but there really is no need to finish high school early or attend a training center during your senior year of what would have been high school. Bear in mind, I'm not sure how old you are but let's just say that you'd be 17 during your senior year. You have to decide what that might look like for you socially at a training center, academically in terms of AP credits that you'd potentially be missing out on and economically if those classes could have saved you money. I'd also just like to add that in my experience, the advanced placement courses in themselves prepared me for college in ways that others did not. It's not just about the credits, it's about the expectations of the course (which may force you to change your study habits), and the style of the classes (which may vary slightly depending on your school). Teachers really do try to make it a simulation of the college classroom and that is something that I'd highly recommend taking advantage of if you can, because it lessens the learning curve of college when you get there. I definitely think training is a good idea, but I don't necessarily think that graduating high school early is in this case. However, that largely depends on you, so like Miso said, do what makes you feel comfortable. HTH, Lizzy _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40 yahoo.com From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Mon Dec 5 18:23:05 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 12:23:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Ways to Learn To Code Message-ID: <199193F3-4916-4031-BF6E-1557547CA5CA@yahoo.com> Hi You'all, Are there any ways I could learn how to code in an accessible format? I use an iPad for schoolwork and have a MacBook Pro at home. What would you suggest? What kind or kinds of program are accessible? Thank you so much! Sent from my iPad From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Mon Dec 5 18:28:40 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 12:28:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Ways to Learn To Code In-Reply-To: <199193F3-4916-4031-BF6E-1557547CA5CA@yahoo.com> References: <199193F3-4916-4031-BF6E-1557547CA5CA@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You can use the apple playgrounds apps on the iPad. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2016, at 12:23 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi You'all, > Are there any ways I could learn how to code in an accessible format? I use an iPad for schoolwork and have a MacBook Pro at home. What would you suggest? What kind or kinds of program are accessible? Thank you so much! > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Dec 6 03:33:45 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 22:33:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] World services for the blind employment programs Message-ID: <90B03F8081674301B186D4F862A5E017@OwnerPC> Hi all, I know this has come up before with negative comments. But they have changed some; a new director I assume. World services for the blind used to be lions world services for the blind. Their website looks much different now so I’m guessing someone redesigned it within the past year. They offer both independent living training and employment training services. According to the online descriptions, they offer a few new programs: the credit counselor program and the administrative assistant certificate. I’m finding entry level jobs hard to come by which don’t require a lot of vision to perform paperwork tasks such as filing and data entry. So, I was wondering again about WSB. Does anyone have rather recent experience there for any program or know someone who does? They did not even list the 3 IRS programs; I wonder if that is still offered. A few things I’m wondering about are these: the living conditions, food and quality of classes. Is the dorm building still old? Do they have a variety of healthy food. I know in the past fried food was a big thing. Also, how are classes taught? I’m not serious about going there now as I’m volunteering around here trying to get more experience, but I’ve not ruled out any options. Thanks for any ideas you all have. Ashley From jldail13 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 15:40:51 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 10:40:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Changing font aspects of documents created in keyword on BN touch Message-ID: <5846dc0c.5109240a.2887d.7265@mx.google.com> Ost' trying to create a document using keyword on my BN touch. I'd like to know how to change aspects quite that font, like size, and style. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Thanks, Jessica From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 21:34:11 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:34:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Message-ID: <58472ef3.0179810a.1c5db.5755@mx.google.com> Most of the courses offered at Hadley allow you to get credit for high school requirements. I think you should take all the Hadley courses and graduate early. This would give you enough time to go to an Nfb training center if you choose to do so. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 21:34:18 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 16:34:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Number one thing to do to prepare for college Message-ID: <58472efb.0179810a.1c5db.575b@mx.google.com> Hi Mikayla thanks for your message. As someone who is preparing to graduate from college in just two short weeks, I would advise you to prepare for college is to take advantage of any independent living skills training that you can find. Independent living skills such as budgeting, cooking, and travel will come in handy for college. I would also recommend that you read class materials such as the first chapters of your textbooks ahead of time. This is what worked for me. From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 23:23:18 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 18:23:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <58472ef3.0179810a.1c5db.5755@mx.google.com> References: <58472ef3.0179810a.1c5db.5755@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <024f01d25017$bac52d80$304f8880$@gmail.com> I am in public school. Can I take hadly courses and bring my grades and test scores to my school, or how does that work? -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: roanna bacchus Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life Most of the courses offered at Hadley allow you to get credit for high school requirements. I think you should take all the Hadley courses and graduate early. This would give you enough time to go to an Nfb training center if you choose to do so. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 01:22:29 2016 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 20:22:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] brailliant bi question Message-ID: <58476478.ce26c80a.dea8c.89f8@mx.google.com> Hello, I was hoping someone could help me out. Does anyone know how to find the current firmware version on a Brailliant Bi? I know to update the firmware you have to use Brailliant Bi tools, but I would like to know how to find out the current firmware version I am running. Thank you, Kelsey Nicolay From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 01:55:21 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 19:55:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <024f01d25017$bac52d80$304f8880$@gmail.com> References: <58472ef3.0179810a.1c5db.5755@mx.google.com> <024f01d25017$bac52d80$304f8880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03C9A2B0-09E5-4D3F-881E-A4D9EF4CB6AA@yahoo.com> Yes. You can transfer Hadley courses to your school with your school's approval. I am taking several Hadley courses right now, and my school has approved them. They will count as credits. Some are listed as credits and others don't have credits, but they are still good to take. They have a list of courses that they offer on their website. Go to: hadley.edu. HTH, Ahbee Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 5:23 PM, Nesma Aly via NABS-L wrote: > > I am in public school. Can I take hadly courses and bring my grades and > test scores to my school, or how does that work? > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus > via NABS-L > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: roanna bacchus > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life > > Most of the courses offered at Hadley allow you to get credit for high > school requirements. I think you should take all the Hadley courses and > graduate early. This would give you enough time to go to an Nfb training > center if you choose to do so. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ahbeeorton%40yahoo.com From awildheir at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 03:48:56 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:48:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] brailliant bi question In-Reply-To: <58476478.ce26c80a.dea8c.89f8@mx.google.com> References: <58476478.ce26c80a.dea8c.89f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7CCA43D3-39C8-449A-AEEF-E0B042534FCC@gmail.com> Hello Kelsey, Once powered on, press the power button twice similar to how you use triple click on the home button for I devices. That will bring you to setting. Use the far right and far left some keys to navigate through the list and the two in the middle to toggle settings. There's a possibility I could have that backwards and if so, you'll find out and figure out which it is when you try this. I'm not sure where it is in the list of settings but it's in there. I hope you're brilliant performed better with your devices then mine did. I had horrible luck with my idevices and my MacBook Pro. Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 8:22 PM, Kelsey Nicolay via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, > I was hoping someone could help me out. Does anyone know how to find the current firmware version on a Brailliant Bi? I know to update the firmware you have to use Brailliant Bi tools, but I would like to know how to find out the current firmware version I am running. > Thank you, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 7 05:30:37 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:30:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] music databases and streaming music services Message-ID: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> Hi all, Although I listen to a regular radio, I’m interested in other music services which I can access online. This might give me greater control over what I hear and when I hear it. Unfortunately though, most services seem either inaccessible or semi accessible to screen readers. Naxos music library and American song which is under the Alexander Street Press databases are not accessible. I don’t believe the streaming service spotify is real accessible. I have a pandora account now and that seemed semi accessible. I’m able to log in and find the search field to type in a station or song, but its difficult to change stations as the links do not show up as links to jaws. So, I’m still searching. What databases, either open source or subscription based, are accessible? If it’s a database with subscriber access, I could probably go to a nearby public university to hear it or use a public library if they have it. For instance, Dc public library has several Alexander street database subscriptions, but those don’t seem accessible. Also, Alexandria public library has freegal music database, but I don’t know if its usable yet; I’ll try it. What online services are accessible and what is the cost, if any? Has Rapsody improved its access? Thanks. Ashley From misokwak12 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 06:49:37 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 22:49:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] music databases and streaming music services In-Reply-To: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> References: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, I use Spotify on my iPhone and I think it is decently accessible with voiceover. I don't have premium so I don't feel like I am enjoying full benefits anyway but the free membership services are not bad in terms of accessibility in my opinion, though certainly not perfect. I deleted Pandora app from my phone but when I had it it was pretty accessible with voiceover. I still use Pandora on the web with jaws 16 on IE, and the stations that show up may not appear as links but you can press enter on them and it will activate that station. You can skip to the next song by pressing alt plus right arrow. --Miso On 12/6/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > Hi all, > > Although I listen to a regular radio, I’m interested in other music services > which I can access online. This might give me greater control over what I > hear and when I hear it. Unfortunately though, most services seem either > inaccessible or semi accessible to screen readers. Naxos music library and > American song which is under the Alexander Street Press databases are not > accessible. I don’t believe the streaming service spotify is real > accessible. I have a pandora account now and that seemed semi accessible. > I’m able to log in and find the search field to type in a station or song, > but its difficult to change stations as the links do not show up as links to > jaws. > > So, I’m still searching. > What databases, either open source or subscription based, are accessible? If > it’s a database with subscriber access, I could probably go to a nearby > public university to hear it or use a public library if they have it. For > instance, Dc public library has several Alexander street database > subscriptions, but those don’t seem accessible. Also, Alexandria public > library has freegal music database, but I don’t know if its usable yet; I’ll > try it. > > What online services are accessible and what is the cost, if any? Has > Rapsody improved its access? > > Thanks. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Dec 7 12:48:24 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 06:48:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] music databases and streaming music services In-Reply-To: References: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Ashley, What type of device are you using? Services like Pandora and Spotify tend to work better with IOS devices than with JAWS. One service that I think is accessible on both computers and phones is iHearrt Radio. This allows you to stream live radio stations, but you can also create your own like you can on Pandora. And it's free to get an account and use. You do need an account to be able to create your own stations, otherwise, you can only listen to the Live Radio stations. I have also heard that Apple Music and Google Play Music are accessible, but I think that they might require monthly subscriptions that you have to pay for. Good luck in your search for accessible music databases! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Dec 7, 2016, at 12:49 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Ashley, I use Spotify on my iPhone and I think it is decently > accessible with voiceover. I don't have premium so I don't feel like I > am enjoying full benefits anyway but the free membership services are > not bad in terms of accessibility in my opinion, though certainly not > perfect. > I deleted Pandora app from my phone but when I had it it was pretty > accessible with voiceover. I still use Pandora on the web with jaws 16 > on IE, and the stations that show up may not appear as links but you > can press enter on them and it will activate that station. You can > skip to the next song by pressing alt plus right arrow. > --Miso > >> On 12/6/16, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Although I listen to a regular radio, I’m interested in other music services >> which I can access online. This might give me greater control over what I >> hear and when I hear it. Unfortunately though, most services seem either >> inaccessible or semi accessible to screen readers. Naxos music library and >> American song which is under the Alexander Street Press databases are not >> accessible. I don’t believe the streaming service spotify is real >> accessible. I have a pandora account now and that seemed semi accessible. >> I’m able to log in and find the search field to type in a station or song, >> but its difficult to change stations as the links do not show up as links to >> jaws. >> >> So, I’m still searching. >> What databases, either open source or subscription based, are accessible? If >> it’s a database with subscriber access, I could probably go to a nearby >> public university to hear it or use a public library if they have it. For >> instance, Dc public library has several Alexander street database >> subscriptions, but those don’t seem accessible. Also, Alexandria public >> library has freegal music database, but I don’t know if its usable yet; I’ll >> try it. >> >> What online services are accessible and what is the cost, if any? Has >> Rapsody improved its access? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mi So Kwak > University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 > Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor > (909) 660-1897 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 15:54:42 2016 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:54:42 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] music databases and streaming music services In-Reply-To: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> References: <3820287F8566403EB548536F8C193254@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello Ashley, A lot of the time accessibility to streaming services is way better on mobile devices or via the web than by using desktop applications. Spotify does have an “accessible” mode in their application for OS X, but it’s basically an HTML interface that doesn’t work well at all. The Spotify iOS app is certainly accessible and you will be able to use both the free and paid services. As far as I know the most accessible streaming service out of the box is Apple Music: the music app on iOS works great with VoiceOver, and desktop access to Apple Music is provided via iTunes, which is also completely accessible. I have used both Spotify and Apple Music for quite some time, and from an accessibility standpoint I would say Apple Music is a better option as long as you are willing to pay for it. I am currently using the Qobuz Sublime streaming service, which is way more expensive but offers much greater sound quality. Qobuz is very accessible on the iPhone, and also offers an accessible web player. On my Mac I use it via the Audirvana app, which is also accessible. I am not sure if Qobuz is available in the United States yet though. Hope this helps! IC > On 7 Dec 2016, at 06:30, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > Although I listen to a regular radio, I’m interested in other music services which I can access online. This might give me greater control over what I hear and when I hear it. Unfortunately though, most services seem either inaccessible or semi accessible to screen readers. Naxos music library and American song which is under the Alexander Street Press databases are not accessible. I don’t believe the streaming service spotify is real accessible. I have a pandora account now and that seemed semi accessible. I’m able to log in and find the search field to type in a station or song, but its difficult to change stations as the links do not show up as links to jaws. > > So, I’m still searching. > What databases, either open source or subscription based, are accessible? If it’s a database with subscriber access, I could probably go to a nearby public university to hear it or use a public library if they have it. For instance, Dc public library has several Alexander street database subscriptions, but those don’t seem accessible. Also, Alexandria public library has freegal music database, but I don’t know if its usable yet; I’ll try it. > > What online services are accessible and what is the cost, if any? Has Rapsody improved its access? > > Thanks. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From ignasicambra at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 16:03:35 2016 From: ignasicambra at gmail.com (Ignasi Cambra) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 17:03:35 +0100 Subject: [nabs-l] The Next Few Years of My Life In-Reply-To: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> References: <50B6AA4B-7726-4F10-B108-DF6F91D48C16@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09120F34-5A6E-4F14-9BEC-B76B5CB6AF85@gmail.com> Hello Ahbee, I think everyone is different, and it is only up to you to choose if and when you want to go to a training centre. In my personal case I found that going to college right after high school helped me to really get to know myself and see what it was that I needed and didn’t need. During undergrad I lived both in on-campus and off-campus apartments, and got used to cooking etc all by myself. Mainly after undergrad I felt good and confident enough about myself, so I ended up choosing not to get training. In terms of AP classes I was coming from a high school in the French education system, so didn’t have a chance to take classes that gave me college credits in the US. I did test out of a bunch of classes during freshman year, and didn’t have much trouble getting work done. Good luck with whatever you choose to do. Reading other people’s opinions and experiences on this has been quite interesting! IC > On 4 Dec 2016, at 04:09, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am really thinking a lot about my next few years for high school and college. I have considered several options. I could take my school's AP courses for the next two years to graduate. I could take a hybrid between Hadley courses and my high school's courses. I could participate in dual enrollment, or this special program that my school offers with a college, to get my Freshman year done. The last option is to take all Hadley next year, and graduate from high school early. I'd be able to work if I wanted to and prepare for the ACT or SAT. I also want to go to a training center the year I'd be in 12th grade, but I could finish early and do the training center. What do you think is the best way to go? Thank you! > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ignasicambra%40gmail.com From discoduck221 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 06:54:26 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:54:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Help KJSC Radio Raise Money To Make A Sick Child's Wish Come True For The Holidays Message-ID: Hi All! Even if this email doesn't interest you, please spread the word to those you know. Not trying to send anything out that people won't like, just trying to do something nice for the holidays for children. The online radio station that I broadcast for, KJSC Radio http://kjscradio.com has launched a campaign to raise money for The Make A Wish Foundation Of America http://www.wish.org The fund raiser started today, December 7, 2016, and goes until midnight eastern on December 19, 2016. On the last day of the campaign, I'll be hosting a 24hour radiothon on December 18, 2016 starting at 1 AM eastern, where we'll bbe playing music, giving prizes away to those who donate, interviewing guests and more. This will also incorporate the traditional Djd Invasion Christmas party that I do each year. Details on the radiothon will be out shortly, as we're still finalizing details about guests and such. Just as a side note, I’m dedicating this fund raiser to my mom who passed away in 2003. She had no affiliation with The Make A Wish Foundation, but she had an incredible giving spirit, especially around the holidays, and she loved children too. So what better way to honor someone’s giving spirit than to give to an organization that grants wishes to children with life threatening conditions. If you want to participate in this fund raiser, there are two ways you can help: 1. If you are interested in donating to this fund raiser, and maybe being the lucky winner of a prize, which this year includes a spring or summer trip to anywhere in the United States (and yes it's a round trip ticket) you can donate securely online using a card or paypal directly from the Make A Wish page, so we don’t see any of your money; it all goes to Make A Wish. The site where you can be connected with our Make A Wish fund raising page and enter in to win a prize is http://djdrocks.online/wish16 Don't worry, if you just want to donate without winning, you can do that too, details are on the page linked above. 2. If you would rather donate something towards a door prize for those who donate or you have a prize to donate yourself, feel free to email mee at discoduck221 at gmail.com so we can speak aobut it. Of course, Options 1 and 2 both can be done together if you want, it's not a one or the other thing. And for those who just can't afford to donate anything, we just might have something in mind for you on December 18. You'll have to watch for the radiothon press release and listen to find more. I'm always available if you have any problems or questions via email at discoduck221 at gmail.com Thanks for reading, and let's help make the lives of ill children a little better this year by helping to make a wish come true. All the best, David Dunphy From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:10:49 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 14:10:49 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Handshake accessibility Message-ID: My school uses a website called "Handshake" to connect employers and students for internships and for jobs. I really need to use this site, but I use JAWS and it will not read anything on the page. Does anyone have any experience with this? And if it is totally inaccessible, what are some suggestions of how I can check jobs and stuff on a daily basis without having to rely on someone else every single day. Thanks, Anna E Givens Sent from my iPhone From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Thu Dec 8 21:17:17 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:17:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Handshake accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A732229-8BF6-40DD-8837-3500DC46BA09@houghton.edu> Hey, My school uses this website as well. I have not checked it out though. I will look at it and get back to you. I'll message you off list if that is OK? > On Dec 8, 2016, at 16:10, Anna Givens via NABS-L wrote: > > My school uses a website called "Handshake" to connect employers and students for internships and for jobs. I really need to use this site, but I use JAWS and it will not read anything on the page. Does anyone have any experience with this? > And if it is totally inaccessible, what are some suggestions of how I can check jobs and stuff on a daily basis without having to rely on someone else every single day. > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From jldail13 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 21:17:33 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 16:17:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Handshake accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4464E24F-303E-4E51-BE9A-40D7FEFA0968@gmail.com> Hi, Have you tried to access the site through Safari on your iPhone? Do you have a Braillenote touch? If so, have you tried it on there? Thanks, Jessica > On Dec 8, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Anna Givens via NABS-L wrote: > > My school uses a website called "Handshake" to connect employers and students for internships and for jobs. I really need to use this site, but I use JAWS and it will not read anything on the page. Does anyone have any experience with this? > And if it is totally inaccessible, what are some suggestions of how I can check jobs and stuff on a daily basis without having to rely on someone else every single day. > > Thanks, > > Anna E Givens > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From mausbun at unr.edu Thu Dec 8 22:50:53 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 22:50:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Handshake accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B236F801C@UBOX2.unr.edu> http://www.nfbnewsline.net has job listings. hth ________________________________________ From: NABS-L [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Anna Givens via NABS-L [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2016 1:10 PM To: Ahbee Orton via Nabs-L; jobs at nfbnet.org Cc: Anna Givens Subject: [nabs-l] Handshake accessibility My school uses a website called "Handshake" to connect employers and students for internships and for jobs. I really need to use this site, but I use JAWS and it will not read anything on the page. Does anyone have any experience with this? And if it is totally inaccessible, what are some suggestions of how I can check jobs and stuff on a daily basis without having to rely on someone else every single day. Thanks, Anna E Givens Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 02:43:13 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:43:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question Message-ID: <04CF0747-7200-4C6D-8FC5-E811355568D7@gmail.com> Hi, Does anyone know if there is a setting on Bookshare that allows you to download books in UEB format? Thanks, Vejas From kmaent1 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 15:34:26 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 10:34:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question Message-ID: <584acf0a.a62dc80a.0867.1b91@mx.google.com> Look under "my bookshare." That's where you set the Braille code you want. I assume they have UEB, but I'm not sure. ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Hi, I'm looking for a good RSS reader for my BN touch, similar to Lire on iOS, and/or readerkit on macOS. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Jessica From alpineimagination at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 19:10:27 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 11:10:27 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Textbooks Message-ID: Hi, I suppose this isn't a specifically blindness related question, but what do you do with the print textbooks you have bought? I have a few print textbooks so that my Disability Services could scan them for me. Thanks, Vejas From misokwak12 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 19:16:22 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 11:16:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Textbooks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I usually resell or donate. --Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 9, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I suppose this isn't a specifically blindness related question, but what do you do with the print textbooks you have bought? I have a few print textbooks so that my Disability Services could scan them for me. > Thanks, > Vejas > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Dec 9 20:28:22 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 15:28:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Textbooks Message-ID: <584b140c.8ae10d0a.c9da0.a813@mx.google.com> You can keep them in case a family member who is taking classes takes some of the same classes that you are currently taking. From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Fri Dec 9 21:52:19 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 16:52:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Textbooks In-Reply-To: <584b140c.8ae10d0a.c9da0.a813@mx.google.com> References: <584b140c.8ae10d0a.c9da0.a813@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <82D8DF9E-F9E1-4251-962C-B5B113715AB2@houghton.edu> Yes, that is an option. Also you can sell them back to the bookstore if you bought them from there or sell them to students that will need the books next semester or year. > On Dec 9, 2016, at 15:28, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > You can keep them in case a family member who is taking classes takes some of the same classes that you are currently taking. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Sat Dec 10 01:29:14 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 01:29:14 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS blog post for December Message-ID: <8C4B9AF5-3486-4026-8A5F-EB5E56FE66C3@mainex1.asu.edu> Greetings NABS and welcome to the holiday season. Hopefully all of your finals and projects have gone well and you can enjoy your winter break. Here is a blog post that I think many of you will enjoy. It is written by a gentleman named Mike Armstrong, who shares his personal story about how he leads teams of blind students in and out of the Grand Canyon in one day. Mr. Armstrong is an amazing man who lost his vision over 20 years ago and continues to live the life he wants everyday! Join with me in reading this amazing story about his last trek into the Grand Canyon with a group of blind and low vision students. If you have any questions or comments regarding the post please feel free to contact me at bjduarte at asu.edu. Thank you and enjoy reading http://nabslink.org/content/grand-canyon-not-grand-these-blind-students Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Sat Dec 10 15:09:08 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids Message-ID: <9DCEFD0F-CF94-4C12-B8D2-452624436706@yahoo.com> Hi Folks, I want to babysit or get some experience with elementary children. Is there a way that I could do that? I am thinking about going into elementary teaching. Any suggestions? Thanks, Ahbee Sent from Ahbee's iPhone From lucysirianni at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 15:52:05 2016 From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:52:05 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids Message-ID: <584c24bc.0d19620a.4f1e7.06e1@mx.google.com> Hi Ahbee, Absolutely! I babysat regularly throughout my teenage years. I started by reaching out directly to families I knew with young children to let them know of my interest in finding jobs, and I also made fliers to distribute throughout my neighborhood that included information about my background, availability, and references. I was concerned that people would discount my ability to care for children because of my blindness, but while it's very possible some did, I always had as many clients as I wanted. In addition to the babysitting, I also volunteered at a local children's shelter, tutored students struggling with reading at a nearby elementary school, and taught singing both one-on-one and to groups of children, so there are plenty of ways to work with kids in whatever capacity appeals to you. Hope this helps, and good luck! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L Hey, I am older then my sister and my parents are protecting me from living an independent life. I want to attend grad school out of state. I want to leave georgia. I will apply for grad school next December, but during the Christmas break i have to do my research. My program for master in social work is only an one year program. They said that since i am blind I will be more successful if i stay in Georgia and get my master degree at the school that i am currently at which is Georgia state university. How do i convince them? How do I research for a good grad school. I want to move to dc or maryland. I saved up and went to my friends wedding this summer even though my parents said no. They will never forgive me. Even though i am an adult how do you obey your parents? How do you live an independent life when your parents don't agree with your decision? I will keep on researching for different grad schools during Christmas break. I think i got all a this semester but my parents don't care. They are always thinking about my future. I will keep you guys updated because my grades have not been posted yet. Please help i am scared and confused. Thanks, Shikha. From kestomberg at coe.edu Sat Dec 10 18:47:55 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:47:55 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Grad school out of state In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45A3831D-572F-4CCA-9478-A556B697834F@coe.edu> As for your question about researching grad schools, I am not certain. This is something I am wondering about as well, so I would love to hear what people have to say. However, I can address the question about your parents, and hopefuly, it will be helpful. I have lived away from my parents since my last semester of high school. I moved out when I was 17, because I needed to practice being endependent. I also elected to do my undergraduate degree out-of-state, and am currently preparing to study abroad this spring. This would have been difficult without the support of my parents, and I am sorry that yours are sheltering you so much. A couple of things you might consider telling them, since they are so concerned about your abbility to succeed due to blindness. 1. There are a lot of successful blind people who complete college away from their parents. (I have no doubt that others on the list will also be able to tell you that they did undergrad or graduate school out of state, and were successful.) 2. You have already traveled to Maryland endependently before, and you clearly came back just fine. Have you not proven that you can be independent and keep yourself safe? Hope this helps! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hey, > I am older then my sister and my parents are protecting me from living an independent life. I want to attend grad school out of state. I want to leave georgia. I will apply for grad school next December, but during the Christmas break i have to do my research. My program for master in social work is only an one year program. They said that since i am blind I will be more successful if i stay in Georgia and get my master degree at the school that i am currently at which is Georgia state university. How do i convince them? How do I research for a good grad school. I want to move to dc or maryland. I saved up and went to my friends wedding this summer even though my parents said no. They will never forgive me. Even though i am an adult how do you obey your parents? How do you live an independent life when your parents don't agree with your decision? I will keep on researching for different grad schools during Christmas break. I think i got all a this semester but my parents don't care. They are always thinking about my future. I will keep you guys updated because my grades have not been posted yet. Please help i am scared and confused. > Thanks, > Shikha. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From lucysirianni at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 19:07:21 2016 From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:07:21 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Grad school out of state Message-ID: <584c527f.c624620a.41b4b.22be@mx.google.com> Hi Shikha, I echo a lot of what Kennedy has said below. Assure your parents that countless blind adults are living on their own, successfully running households, pursuing educations and careers, traveling, raising families, etc, etc. If they are open to this, it may ease their concerns to talk with blind adults who live independently or to join listservs like the NFB's parents of blind children division to get support and guidance from other parents who have grappled with similar uncertainties. Ultimately, though, your parents do need to recognize that you are a competent adult capable of making decisions on your own behalf, and you may need to be quite firm in telling them that while you value their input and hope they'll support your choices, you will be making the decisions about your life. I am sorry you're needing to fight to get them to recognize this; I can only imagine how discouraging and challenging it must be. As for researching grad schools, talk with people who are working in the field you hope to enter. Look online for lists of the top programs in your field and then research the ones that appeal to you, looking for factors like reputation, location, job placement records, and the backgrounds of the professors you'd be working with. Reach out to current and/or former students to see if they feel happy and supported in their program. I hope this helps, and good luck! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: Hey, I am older then my sister and my parents are protecting me from living an independent life. I want to attend grad school out of state. I want to leave georgia. I will apply for grad school next December, but during the Christmas break i have to do my research. My program for master in social work is only an one year program. They said that since i am blind I will be more successful if i stay in Georgia and get my master degree at the school that i am currently at which is Georgia state university. How do i convince them? How do I research for a good grad school. I want to move to dc or maryland. I saved up and went to my friends wedding this summer even though my parents said no. They will never forgive me. Even though i am an adult how do you obey your parents? How do you live an independent life when your parents don't agree with your decision? I will keep on researching for different grad schools during Christmas break. I think i got all a this semester but my parents don't care. They are always thinking about my future. I will keep you guys updated because my grades have not been posted yet. Please help i am scared and confused. Thanks, Shikha. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 coe.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Dec 10 19:51:55 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:51:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Grad school out of state In-Reply-To: <584c527f.c624620a.41b4b.22be@mx.google.com> References: <584c527f.c624620a.41b4b.22be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sheikha, I would strongly encourage you to sign your parents up for Future Reflections, the NFB's magazine for parents. To start, you might read an article to them from the Braille Monitor, Future Reflections, or the Student Slate after dinner. Also, would it be possible for them to attend the NFB of Georgia convention with you? It might also be good for them to sign up for the NFB parents' division listserv or Facefook group and post their concerns there? Than, other parents could reassure them. I am sorry you are going through this. I am in high school, but my parents are great at guiding and encouraging me through the high school years, and will support me in college. Hope this helps. Mikayla Sent from my iPad > On Dec 10, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Shikha, > > I echo a lot of what Kennedy has said below. Assure your parents that countless blind adults are living on their own, successfully running households, pursuing educations and careers, traveling, raising families, etc, etc. If they are open to this, it may ease their concerns to talk with blind adults who live independently or to join listservs like the NFB's parents of blind children division to get support and guidance from other parents who have grappled with similar uncertainties. Ultimately, though, your parents do need to recognize that you are a competent adult capable of making decisions on your own behalf, and you may need to be quite firm in telling them that while you value their input and hope they'll support your choices, you will be making the decisions about your life. I am sorry you're needing to fight to get them to recognize this; I can only imagine how discouraging and challenging it must be. > > As for researching grad schools, talk with people who are working in the field you hope to enter. Look online for lists of the top programs in your field and then research the ones that appeal to you, looking for factors like reputation, location, job placement records, and the backgrounds of the professors you'd be working with. Reach out to current and/or former students to see if they feel happy and supported in their program. > > I hope this helps, and good luck! > > Lucy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 12:47:55 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grad school out of state > > As for your question about researching grad schools, I am not certain. This is something I am wondering about as well, so I would love to hear what people have to say. > > > However, I can address the question about your parents, and hopefuly, it will be helpful. I have lived away from my parents since my last semester of high school. I moved out when I was 17, because I needed to practice being endependent. I also elected to do my undergraduate degree out-of-state, and am currently preparing to study abroad this spring. This would have been difficult without the support of my parents, and I am sorry that yours are sheltering you so much. > > A couple of things you might consider telling them, since they are so concerned about your abbility to succeed due to blindness. > 1. There are a lot of successful blind people who complete college away from their parents. (I have no doubt that others on the list will also be able to tell you that they did undergrad or graduate school out of state, and were successful.) > 2. You have already traveled to Maryland endependently before, and you clearly came back just fine. Have you not proven that you can be independent and keep yourself safe? > > Hope this helps! > Kennedy > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > > On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Shikha via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Hey, > I am older then my sister and my parents are protecting me from living an independent life. I want to attend grad school out of state. I want to leave georgia. I will apply for grad school next December, but during the Christmas break i have to do my research. My program for master in social work is only an one year program. They said that since i am blind I will be more successful if i stay in Georgia and get my master degree at the school that i am currently at which is Georgia state university. How do i convince them? How do I research for a good grad school. I want to move to dc or maryland. I saved up and went to my friends wedding this summer even though my parents said no. They will never forgive me. Even though i am an adult how do you obey your parents? How do you live an independent life when your parents don't agree with your decision? I will keep on researching for different grad schools during Christmas break. I think i got all a this semester but my parents don't care. They are always thinking about my future. I will keep you guys updated because my grades have not been posted yet. Please help i am scared and confused. > Thanks, > Shikha. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40 > coe.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 21:53:21 2016 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 15:53:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids Message-ID: <584c7984.14326b0a.2f917.cf6f@mx.google.com> Lucy, I'm interested in working in my university's writing lab next year. I've always wondered how tutoring works for blind people. My understnding is that people bring in print textbooks, papers, and homework materials for them and the tutor to look at. What are some strategies for getting around this? Soph ----- Original Message ----- From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L Hi Sophie, I worked at my university's writing center throughout college, and it was a job I really enjoyed. I just had students email me their writing. I would ask them to do this ahead of time if they made an appointment. My school's center was staffed by multiple tutors at a time, so if someone came in without having made an appointment and didn't have his or her writing in an electronic format, that person could simply work with another tutor, but I don't think this ever happened. Hope this helps and that a similar arrangement might work with your writing lab! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist via NABS-L References: <584c7d4c.9344620a.ee753.38cd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9DA2644D-5F25-4D61-BE07-BE65958D9AEF@gmail.com> Hi Lucy, I, too, am very interested in working as a writing tutor in the academic resource center at my school. I was told that students, regardless of tutor, usually have to read their work out loud, although I could see the potential problem of that being that some may struggle to read and it is hard to follow, so I like the email idea. How far in advance did you ask for the work to be emailed? Thanks, Vejas > On Dec 10, 2016, at 14:09, Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi Sophie, > > I worked at my university's writing center throughout college, and it was a job I really enjoyed. I just had students email me their writing. I would ask them to do this ahead of time if they made an appointment. My school's center was staffed by multiple tutors at a time, so if someone came in without having made an appointment and didn't have his or her writing in an electronic format, that person could simply work with another tutor, but I don't think this ever happened. > > Hope this helps and that a similar arrangement might work with your writing lab! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sophie Trist via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 15:53:21 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] working with kids > > Lucy, I'm interested in working in my university's writing lab > next year. I've always wondered how tutoring works for blind > people. My understnding is that people bring in print textbooks, > papers, and homework materials for them and the tutor to look at. > What are some strategies for getting around this? > > Soph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing > list Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:52:05 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] working with kids > > Hi Ahbee, > > Absolutely! I babysat regularly throughout my teenage years. I > started by reaching out directly to families I knew with young > children to let them know of my interest in finding jobs, and I > also made fliers to distribute throughout my neighborhood that > included information about my background, availability, and > references. I was concerned that people would discount my > ability to care for children because of my blindness, but while > it's very possible some did, I always had as many clients as I > wanted. > > In addition to the babysitting, I also volunteered at a local > children's shelter, tutored students struggling with reading at a > nearby elementary school, and taught singing both one-on-one and > to groups of children, so there are plenty of ways to work with > kids in whatever capacity appeals to you. > > Hope this helps, and good luck! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:08 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids > > Hi Folks, > > I want to babysit or get some experience with elementary > children. Is there a way that I could do that? > I am thinking about going into elementary teaching. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks, > Ahbee > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From lucysirianni at gmail.com Sat Dec 10 22:53:58 2016 From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 14:53:58 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids Message-ID: <584c879d.107b630a.62c19.3d53@mx.google.com> Hi Vejas, I actually think having students read their work out loud can be very productive since it forces them to listen to the "flow" of their writing, but I also find it helpful to be able to read along myself as they do this. I think it makes sense to request an email copy as soon as possible after an appointment has been made (or to simply make it a policy that students always email their work), but since nearly everyone has their work available electronically these days, even students without appointments were always happy to just email me their work when they came into the center. Hope this helps, and good luck with the job! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: Hi Sophie, I worked at my university's writing center throughout college, and it was a job I really enjoyed. I just had students email me their writing. I would ask them to do this ahead of time if they made an appointment. My school's center was staffed by multiple tutors at a time, so if someone came in without having made an appointment and didn't have his or her writing in an electronic format, that person could simply work with another tutor, but I don't think this ever happened. Hope this helps and that a similar arrangement might work with your writing lab! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Sophie Trist via NABS-L References: <584c7984.14326b0a.2f917.cf6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, as part of my masters program, I am currently working at my universities reading writing center. I began each session by telling the student that I don't see well and that I will need them to read their paper allowed to me. I also mention that reading their work allowed will help them here places that sound awkward or don't quite convey what they meant to say. They might seem sceptical at first but after the session they are very happy that they came and I frequently have repeat customers. Please let me know if you have anymore questions about working at a writing center. Best, Kaley Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L wrote: > > Lucy, I'm interested in working in my university's writing lab next year. I've always wondered how tutoring works for blind people. My understnding is that people bring in print textbooks, papers, and homework materials for them and the tutor to look at. What are some strategies for getting around this? > > Soph > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:52:05 -0800 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] working with kids > > Hi Ahbee, > > Absolutely! I babysat regularly throughout my teenage years. I > started by reaching out directly to families I knew with young > children to let them know of my interest in finding jobs, and I > also made fliers to distribute throughout my neighborhood that > included information about my background, availability, and > references. I was concerned that people would discount my > ability to care for children because of my blindness, but while > it's very possible some did, I always had as many clients as I > wanted. > > In addition to the babysitting, I also volunteered at a local > children's shelter, tutored students struggling with reading at a > nearby elementary school, and taught singing both one-on-one and > to groups of children, so there are plenty of ways to work with > kids in whatever capacity appeals to you. > > Hope this helps, and good luck! > > Lucy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:08 -0600 > Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids > > Hi Folks, > > I want to babysit or get some experience with elementary > children. Is there a way that I could do that? > I am thinking about going into elementary teaching. Any > suggestions? > > Thanks, > Ahbee > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% > 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 10 23:51:42 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:51:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids In-Reply-To: References: <584c7984.14326b0a.2f917.cf6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In regards to some people having trouble reading aloud, usually they are second language English speakers but find reading aloud to be very helpful in there pronunciation. You just have to listen more carefully with them. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2016, at 6:46 PM, Kaley Jemison via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, as part of my masters program, I am currently working at my universities reading writing center. I began each session by telling the student that I don't see well and that I will need them to read their paper allowed to me. I also mention that reading their work allowed will help them here places that sound awkward or don't quite convey what they meant to say. They might seem sceptical at first but after the session they are very happy that they came and I frequently have repeat customers. Please let me know if you have anymore questions about working at a writing center. Best, Kaley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Sophie Trist via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Lucy, I'm interested in working in my university's writing lab next year. I've always wondered how tutoring works for blind people. My understnding is that people bring in print textbooks, papers, and homework materials for them and the tutor to look at. What are some strategies for getting around this? >> >> Soph >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lucy Sirianni via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list> Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 07:52:05 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] working with kids >> >> Hi Ahbee, >> >> Absolutely! I babysat regularly throughout my teenage years. I >> started by reaching out directly to families I knew with young >> children to let them know of my interest in finding jobs, and I >> also made fliers to distribute throughout my neighborhood that >> included information about my background, availability, and >> references. I was concerned that people would discount my >> ability to care for children because of my blindness, but while >> it's very possible some did, I always had as many clients as I >> wanted. >> >> In addition to the babysitting, I also volunteered at a local >> children's shelter, tutored students struggling with reading at a >> nearby elementary school, and taught singing both one-on-one and >> to groups of children, so there are plenty of ways to work with >> kids in whatever capacity appeals to you. >> >> Hope this helps, and good luck! >> >> Lucy >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 09:09:08 -0600 >> Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids >> >> Hi Folks, >> >> I want to babysit or get some experience with elementary >> children. Is there a way that I could do that? >> I am thinking about going into elementary teaching. Any >> suggestions? >> >> Thanks, >> Ahbee >> >> Sent from Ahbee's iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% >> 40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kcj21%40bellsouth.net From awildheir at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 01:08:10 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 20:08:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone native mail app alternative Message-ID: Hello everyone, I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to get the native mail app on our devices to display and handle email as it did the iOS 10? I was also wondering if there were no work around within the native app that maybe there is a suitable alternative. Could you guys share your experiences with this? Have you found a way to navigate email threads the way mail is now? Aimee Sent from my iPhone From jldail13 at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 01:13:17 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 20:13:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone native mail app alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi If you use your voiceover Rotor gesture, you'll see an option that says messages, when you get to it, you can flick up-and-down to move between messages. I do this all the time. It makes navigating emails extremely easy. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to get the native mail app on our devices to display and handle email as it did the iOS 10? I was also wondering if there were no work around within the native app that maybe there is a suitable alternative. Could you guys share your experiences with this? Have you found a way to navigate email threads the way mail is now? > > Aimee > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From awildheir at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 02:35:00 2016 From: awildheir at gmail.com (Aimee Harwood) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 21:35:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone native mail app alternative In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66D4E3EA-B4F4-45C3-BD6F-3B99C3FC41F4@gmail.com> Well how about that!!!!! Thanks a bunch!!!!! Aimee Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 10, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi > If you use your voiceover Rotor gesture, you'll see an option that says messages, when you get to it, you can flick up-and-down to move between messages. I do this all the time. It makes navigating emails extremely easy. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 10, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Aimee Harwood via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions to get the native mail app on our devices to display and handle email as it did the iOS 10? I was also wondering if there were no work around within the native app that maybe there is a suitable alternative. Could you guys share your experiences with this? Have you found a way to navigate email threads the way mail is now? >> >> Aimee >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/awildheir%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 22:22:51 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 17:22:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about Textbooks In-Reply-To: <82D8DF9E-F9E1-4251-962C-B5B113715AB2@houghton.edu> References: <584b140c.8ae10d0a.c9da0.a813@mx.google.com> <82D8DF9E-F9E1-4251-962C-B5B113715AB2@houghton.edu> Message-ID: Hi there, I sell my print books back, but a nice thing to do sometimes is shop around for prices. I got a textbook scholarship from my university so I've rarely had to pay out of pocket for my books, but I have noticed that selling them back doesn't give you near the full retail value back. Sometimes you have better luck getting more of your money back if you sell back through a book reseller such as Belltower Books, or online through Amazon or Cheg. Sometimes you can also make deals with other students; it is not uncommon at all for students to go on the huge class of 20XX facebook groups set up by my university and say, "If anyone is taking english 200 next semester, I'll sell you the book for cheaper than the bookstore will." Often this cuts the price down for the person buying the book, but it also gives a better price for the person looking to sell back. Also, remember you don't need to sell books back right away. You can do shopping around over breaks and find one or two ways of selling back that give the best results, and just hang on to the books for an extra semester if you don't have time to do that kind of research now with finals. The best time to sell back is at the end of the semester, though, since that is when bookstores are taking preliminary stock of what they'll need to order for the coming semester in most cases. PS: I've totally donated books, too. My mom went back to school for child development a while back, so I just gifted my child psychology and human development textbooks to her so they would get more use out of them. Libraries in town might also take them if you want to donate. On 12/9/16, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > Yes, that is an option. > Also you can sell them back to the bookstore if you bought them from there > or sell them to students that will need the books next semester or year. > >> On Dec 9, 2016, at 15:28, roanna bacchus via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> You can keep them in case a family member who is taking classes takes some >> of the same classes that you are currently taking. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti Shelton From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 02:48:02 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 18:48:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Gwu aim high letter Message-ID: <3B00C98D-BB30-421D-B791-F95D71218489@gmail.com> To whom it may concern, We hope this letter finds you well. This year, we heard from numerous students with disabilities who are frustrated with the lack of proper accommodations that they have received. As a direct result, we conducted interviews with University administrators on the state of accessibility on our college campus. As a result, we, The George Washington University Student Association Senate, unanimously passed a bill in support of AIM-HEA. This act of support was in large part due to the urging of a member of our Universitycommunity. This student has cited that she experiences issues with accessing instructional materials in the past. What this bill does is to reaffirm our principles as an inclusive, friendly, and accessible community for all, including for the visually and hearing impaired. What this bill does is to express our Student Association’s formal support for improving accessibility to the best of our ability. However, we believe that these values should not be limited to The George Washington University. We believe that all universities should be making a concerted effort to make their campuses and their learning materials accessible to all students. Attached is the Resolution that we passed on December 6th. This bill endorses The Access to Instructional Materials for Higher Education Act or AIM-HEA. These are values we can stand behind and these are values that I hope you can stand behind, too. ​AIM-HEA reminds us that change, at the university-level but also almost everywhere else in this world, can be difficult and can be a painstakingly slow process. It also reminds us that as elected representatives, whether that be by our fellow students or, in your case, your constituents, our job is to not only to align ourselves with the most salient, present values impacting people today, but to also identify policies, practices, and events that affect the livelihood of all students. We have a job to do to make things better and we all have a responsibility to ensure that students have equal access to education. ​We, the Student Association Senate at The George Washington university, are proud to support AIM-HEA and we hope that you support this piece of legislation too. Thank you. from my iPhone From truewise.8614 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 04:47:17 2016 From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:47:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Gwu aim high letter In-Reply-To: <3B00C98D-BB30-421D-B791-F95D71218489@gmail.com> References: <3B00C98D-BB30-421D-B791-F95D71218489@gmail.com> Message-ID: That is very good to hear! On 12/13/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > To whom it may concern, > > We hope this letter finds you well. This year, we heard from numerous > students with disabilities who are frustrated with the lack of proper > accommodations that they have received. As a direct result, we conducted > interviews with University administrators on the state of accessibility on > our college campus. As a result, we, The George Washington University > Student Association Senate, unanimously passed a bill in support of AIM-HEA. > This act of support was in large part due to the urging of a member of our > Universitycommunity. This student has cited that she experiences issues with > accessing instructional materials in the past. > > What this bill does is to reaffirm our principles as an inclusive, friendly, > and accessible community for all, including for the visually and hearing > impaired. What this bill does is to express our Student Association’s formal > support for improving accessibility to the best of our ability. However, we > believe that these values should not be limited to The George Washington > University. We believe that all universities should be making a concerted > effort to make their campuses and their learning materials accessible to all > students. Attached is the Resolution that we passed on December 6th. This > bill endorses The Access to Instructional Materials for Higher Education Act > or AIM-HEA. These are values we can stand behind and these are values that I > hope you can stand behind, too. > > ​AIM-HEA reminds us that change, at the university-level but also almost > everywhere else in this world, can be difficult and can be a painstakingly > slow process. It also reminds us that as elected representatives, whether > that be by our fellow students or, in your case, your constituents, our job > is to not only to align ourselves with the most salient, present values > impacting people today, but to also identify policies, practices, and events > that affect the livelihood of all students. We have a job to do to make > things better and we all have a responsibility to ensure that students have > equal access to education. > > ​We, the Student Association Senate at The George Washington university, are > proud to support AIM-HEA and we hope that you support this piece of > legislation too. Thank you. from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com > From misokwak12 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 08:15:32 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 00:15:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch Message-ID: Hi NABS listers, I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN touch. I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still functioning well for the most part. While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be helpful. Thank you, Miso Kwak From Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com Wed Dec 14 13:09:57 2016 From: Justin.A.Haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:09:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Research Participant Recruitment: Online Survey (Gift Card Drawings) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear NFB Listserv Members: We are conducting a study involving the motivation and self-efficacy of adults with visual impairments to engage in physical activity. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged-individuals with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete an online survey consisting of 41 questions which should take approximately 20 minutes. All responses will be anonymous and confidential. All participants who complete the online survey will have the option to enter a drawing to win one $50.00 gift card or two $20.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please follow the link below: http://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/3105425/Physical-Activity-Attribution-Survey If you have any questions regarding this study, please contact me. My information is below. Thank you, Justin A. Haegele, PhD Assistant Professor Old Dominion University Jhaegele at odu.edu (757) 683 5338 From jldail13 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 13:48:51 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:48:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <369BBEE203A0C81F.37BE4A2F-2298-4722-990D-252AD8AAC3CF@mail.outlook.com> HiI have a BN touch & love it!It's 100 times better than the Apex. Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 3:16 AM -0500, "Miso Kwak via NABS-L" wrote: Hi NABS listers, I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN touch. I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still functioning well for the most part. While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be helpful. Thank you, Miso Kwak _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From kcj21 at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 14 18:26:45 2016 From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:26:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question References: <1073184744.4308254.1481740005891.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1073184744.4308254.1481740005891@mail.yahoo.com> Good afternoon,    Over the past two days, I have been having some trouble with Bookshare; when I search a title, it keeps saying zero results. Then, I click "show unavailable titles". When I go to download a book, it says that my user account doesn't have enough permissions to download. However, I am logged into the account and have a student account. Has anyone else encountered this or know what to do?  I tried calling Bookshare but apparently they are already closed for the holidays. Best,Kaley From kmaent1 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 18:35:15 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:35:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question Message-ID: <585190f7.12df0d0a.a2e6b.aa35@mx.google.com> Well,=20if=20it=20says=20you=20don't=20have=20permission,=20then=20you=20pr= obably=20 don't=20have=20permission.=20=20There=20is=20a=20limit=20on=20how=20many=20= books=20you=20 can=20download=20each=20month.=20=20It=20starts=20at=20100=20books,=20and=20= if=20you=20ask=20 them,=20they=20will=20raise=20it=20to=20300. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20kcj21=20via=20NABS-L=20,=20FABS=20President=20via=20FABS=20 References: <585190f7.12df0d0a.a2e6b.aa35@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c701d25655$1ac59150$5050b3f0$@me.com> They have recently updated the system. Perhaps what you are using = requires updating. I normally use K1000, and recently access was broken and then fixed with a patch. =20 -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:35 PM To: kcj21; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question Well, if it says you don't have permission, then you probably don't have permission. There is a limit on how many books you can download each month. It starts at 100 books, and if you ask them, they will raise it = to 300. ----- Original Message ----- From: kcj21 via NABS-L , FABS President via FABS References: Message-ID: Hi Miso, I am in a very similar situation to yourself. For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be updating their hardware. For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece of technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. Good luck, Vejas > On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:15:03 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:15:03 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question In-Reply-To: <1073184744.4308254.1481740005891@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1073184744.4308254.1481740005891.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1073184744.4308254.1481740005891@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Kaley, I have not had the problem you have described before, but I recommend you email support at bookshare.org. It's possible that some of them might still be checking their emails over the holidays . It's worth a try because I know that they still get back to me in the summer. Also you could try looking at the FAQ section on Bookshare to see if there is anything you might be able to do. Vejas > On Dec 14, 2016, at 10:26, kcj21 via NABS-L wrote: > > Good afternoon, Over the past two days, I have been having some trouble with Bookshare; when I search a title, it keeps saying zero results. Then, I click "show unavailable titles". When I go to download a book, it says that my user account doesn't have enough permissions to download. However, I am logged into the account and have a student account. Has anyone else encountered this or know what to do? I tried calling Bookshare but apparently they are already closed for the holidays. > Best,Kaley > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:17:31 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:17:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] working with kids Message-ID: <5851c529.c35c810a.565b9.c2aa@mx.google.com> You can offer to read stories to blind kids in elementary school. From jameyanne at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:24:45 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:24:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, you have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch between the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, which now also has the KNFB reader. Hope this is helpful. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch Hi Miso, I am in a very similar situation to yourself. For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be updating their hardware. For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece of technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. Good luck, Vejas > On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 22:49:48 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:49:48 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school Message-ID: <7B99C3A8-58CF-469F-B09A-7C5367A4B29F@gmail.com> Hey everyone how do you manage clickers for school as a blind student? Are they accessible? I have to use one in my science class next semester. Emma Sent from my iPhone From louvins at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:08:57 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:08:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> References: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi to all. I've done a lot of research on the different devices out there for the blind. I personally fell the bn-touch is the best of the lot. What other device than the touch is a full function tablet able to go to the google play store and download different aps. Also, the word processor alone is what I think would be very useful for anyone who is going back to college. There are a lot of very nice small tutorials on youtube that can give help in using the touch. The problem with the braille-sense u2, is that it is running windows mobile, which is like 10 years out of date. The touch will be able to be updated very easily. You could have the touch for years, and when android is updated as long as that update would benefit accessibility for us, the touch would get that update. Human-ware works with google whenever human-ware wants to make a major update to the touch, so google can be sure the touch will stay compatible. The touch is also very fast at connecting to wifi networks. This would be very useful if you had to connect your touch to a secure campus network. You couldn't do this kind of connecting on the apex. I'm currently saving up money to purchase a 32 cell touch. I've got close to $1000 saved up already with more money coming available for my touch in the next few months. The touch would also be very helpful if someone had a computer issue. On 12/14/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a > BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was > frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability > to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch > Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had > virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on > me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex > that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, > you > have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to > the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't > switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word > processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch > between > the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have > found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, > which now also has the KNFB reader. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Miso, > I am in a very similar situation to yourself. > For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been > around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be > updating their hardware. > For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, > which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at > national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not > seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. > This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece > of > technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. > Good luck, > Vejas > >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi NABS listers, >> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. >> >> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >> functioning well for the most part. >> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >> >> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >> helpful. >> >> Thank you, >> Miso Kwak >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:26:57 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:26:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> References: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <09D0C19A-D6B1-4ED5-80CB-3048E4BD14DD@gmail.com> Hi Jameyanne, Could I just ask you the reasons why you had to send your Touch back in twice? I would be frustrated with that too, and do not want to be in a similar situation. Hopefully some of these glitches can be fixed in the next update so other users don't have to re-send them in. Vejas > On Dec 14, 2016, at 14:24, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a > BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was > frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability > to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch > Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had > virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on > me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex > that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, you > have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to > the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't > switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word > processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch between > the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have > found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, > which now also has the KNFB reader. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Miso, > I am in a very similar situation to yourself. > For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been > around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be > updating their hardware. > For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, > which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at > national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not > seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. > This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece of > technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. > Good luck, > Vejas > >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi NABS listers, >> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. >> >> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >> functioning well for the most part. >> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >> >> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >> helpful. >> >> Thank you, >> Miso Kwak >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:43:07 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:43:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: <09D0C19A-D6B1-4ED5-80CB-3048E4BD14DD@gmail.com> References: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> <09D0C19A-D6B1-4ED5-80CB-3048E4BD14DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <009a01d25663$d2899a30$779cce90$@gmail.com> Hi Vejas, My BrailleNote Touch is the 506th made, so this might not be a problem for Touches that were made later. My first problem was that the motherboard broke somehow. My second problem I'm entirely sure about, but their theory when I sent it back was that something was wrong with the touch sensing tech on the screen because it kept thinking I was pressing on the dot three spot and suddenly my notes were full of pages of apostrophes. They said a lot of people were having this problem, so I imagine that's something they'll fix. On the other hand they said it would be back to me in a week and it took a month, so it could have been something else. I'm not sure my experience is indicative of the BN Touch, especially now that it's more than six months out. Also I always have weird technology glitches. I think I have some sort of magnetic field or something that breaks everything I touch in a mysterious way that often baffles tech support. But on the whole I really do like the Touch and recommend it. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 6:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch Hi Jameyanne, Could I just ask you the reasons why you had to send your Touch back in twice? I would be frustrated with that too, and do not want to be in a similar situation. Hopefully some of these glitches can be fixed in the next update so other users don't have to re-send them in. Vejas > On Dec 14, 2016, at 14:24, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > > I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a > BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was > frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability > to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch > Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had > virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on > me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex > that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, you > have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to > the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't > switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word > processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch between > the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have > found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, > which now also has the KNFB reader. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Miso, > I am in a very similar situation to yourself. > For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been > around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be > updating their hardware. > For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, > which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at > national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not > seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. > This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece of > technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. > Good luck, > Vejas > >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi NABS listers, >> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. >> >> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >> functioning well for the most part. >> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >> >> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >> helpful. >> >> Thank you, >> Miso Kwak >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From truewise.8614 at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 23:55:54 2016 From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 15:55:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: <009a01d25663$d2899a30$779cce90$@gmail.com> References: <009901d25658$e02a3920$a07eab60$@gmail.com> <09D0C19A-D6B1-4ED5-80CB-3048E4BD14DD@gmail.com> <009a01d25663$d2899a30$779cce90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The only problem I have ith the BNT at the moment is the small memory, and lack of support for Thai. On 12/14/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > Hi Vejas, > My BrailleNote Touch is the 506th made, so this might not be a problem for > Touches that were made later. My first problem was that the motherboard > broke somehow. My second problem I'm entirely sure about, but their theory > when I sent it back was that something was wrong with the touch sensing > tech > on the screen because it kept thinking I was pressing on the dot three spot > and suddenly my notes were full of pages of apostrophes. They said a lot of > people were having this problem, so I imagine that's something they'll fix. > On the other hand they said it would be back to me in a week and it took a > month, so it could have been something else. > I'm not sure my experience is indicative of the BN Touch, especially now > that it's more than six months out. Also I always have weird technology > glitches. I think I have some sort of magnetic field or something that > breaks everything I touch in a mysterious way that often baffles tech > support. But on the whole I really do like the Touch and recommend it. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 6:27 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Jameyanne, > Could I just ask you the reasons why you had to send your Touch back in > twice? I would be frustrated with that too, and do not want to be in a > similar situation. Hopefully some of these glitches can be fixed in the > next > update so other users don't have to re-send them in. > Vejas > >> On Dec 14, 2016, at 14:24, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L >> > wrote: >> >> I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have >> a >> BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that >> was >> frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the >> ability >> to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch >> Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had >> virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces > on >> me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the > Apex >> that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, > you >> have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file >> to >> the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't >> switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word >> processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch > between >> the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I >> have >> found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version > 2, >> which now also has the KNFB reader. >> Hope this is helpful. >> Jameyanne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas >> Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch >> >> Hi Miso, >> I am in a very similar situation to yourself. >> For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has >> been >> around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to >> be >> updating their hardware. >> For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, >> which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it > at >> national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not >> seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state >> convention. >> This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece > of >> technology it would be all over the place and being discussed >> everywhere. >> Good luck, >> Vejas >> >>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L > wrote: >>> >>> Hi NABS listers, >>> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN >> touch. >>> >>> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >>> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >>> functioning well for the most part. >>> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >>> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >>> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >>> >>> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >>> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >>> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >>> helpful. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai >> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com > From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 00:17:53 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:17:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch Message-ID: <5851e146.8eca0d0a.b08ac.d190@mx.google.com> Well, the Neobraille is a Google tablet too isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L wrote: I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, you have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch between the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, which now also has the KNFB reader. Hope this is helpful. Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list References: <5851e146.8eca0d0a.b08ac.d190@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I believe so. It runs on an older version of android in the braillenote touch. > On Dec 14, 2016, at 19:17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Well, the Neobraille is a Google tablet too isn't it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:08:57 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi to all. I've done a lot of research on the different devices out > there for the blind. I personally fell the bn-touch is the best of > the lot. What other device than the touch is a full function tablet > able to go to the google play store and download different aps. Also, > the word processor alone is what I think would be very useful for > anyone who is going back to college. There are a lot of very nice > small tutorials on youtube that can give help in using the touch. The > problem with the braille-sense u2, is that it is running windows > mobile, which is like 10 years out of date. The touch will be able to > be updated very easily. You could have the touch for years, and when > android is updated as long as that update would benefit accessibility > for us, the touch would get that update. Human-ware works with google > whenever human-ware wants to make a major update to the touch, so > google can be sure the touch will stay compatible. The touch is also > very fast at connecting to wifi networks. This would be very useful > if you had to connect your touch to a secure campus network. You > couldn't do this kind of connecting on the apex. I'm currently saving > up money to purchase a 32 cell touch. I've got close to $1000 saved > up already with more money coming available for my touch in the next > few months. The touch would also be very helpful if someone had a > computer issue. > > On 12/14/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a > BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was > frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability > to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch > Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had > virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on > me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex > that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, > you > have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to > the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't > switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word > processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch > between > the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have > found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, > which now also has the KNFB reader. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Miso, > I am in a very similar situation to yourself. > For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been > around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be > updating their hardware. > For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, > which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at > national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not > seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. > This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece > of > technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. > Good luck, > Vejas > > On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From jldail13 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 00:32:17 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 00:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: References: <5851e146.8eca0d0a.b08ac.d190@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <369BBEE203A0C81F.5C6F8D9D-4F2F-49F1-ABEC-C024AD227356@mail.outlook.com> I've never heard of that device. I'm very happy with my braille note. Get Outlook for iOS On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 7:31 PM -0500, "Christina Moore via NABS-L" wrote: I believe so. It runs on an older version of android in the braillenote touch. > On Dec 14, 2016, at 19:17, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L wrote: > > Well, the Neobraille is a Google tablet too isn't it? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:08:57 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi to all. I've done a lot of research on the different devices out > there for the blind. I personally fell the bn-touch is the best of > the lot. What other device than the touch is a full function tablet > able to go to the google play store and download different aps. Also, > the word processor alone is what I think would be very useful for > anyone who is going back to college. There are a lot of very nice > small tutorials on youtube that can give help in using the touch. The > problem with the braille-sense u2, is that it is running windows > mobile, which is like 10 years out of date. The touch will be able to > be updated very easily. You could have the touch for years, and when > android is updated as long as that update would benefit accessibility > for us, the touch would get that update. Human-ware works with google > whenever human-ware wants to make a major update to the touch, so > google can be sure the touch will stay compatible. The touch is also > very fast at connecting to wifi networks. This would be very useful > if you had to connect your touch to a secure campus network. You > couldn't do this kind of connecting on the apex. I'm currently saving > up money to purchase a 32 cell touch. I've got close to $1000 saved > up already with more money coming available for my touch in the next > few months. The touch would also be very helpful if someone had a > computer issue. > > On 12/14/16, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L wrote: > I don't know anything about the Braille Sense or Neo-Braille, but I have a > BN Touch and I really like it. Mine had to be sent back twice and that was > frustrating, but it seems to be working better now, and I like the ability > to go on the internet and download third party apps. I really like touch > Braille. I got the BN Touch because my Apex was six years old and had had > virtually every part replaced on it and I didn't want it going to pieces on > me my first semester of law school. There are a couple features of the Apex > that I miss that aren't on the BN Touch. There's no built-in dictionary, > you > have to download one, and in the word processor, it doesn't open a file to > the spot where you left off, you have to find your spot, and you can't > switch between documents like you can on the Apex. I'm using the word > processor a lot for class, and it would be nice to be able to switch > between > the reading and my notes, but Humanware does say that's coming, and I have > found the whole system generally less glitchy once it updated to version 2, > which now also has the KNFB reader. > Hope this is helpful. > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas > Vasiliauskas via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 5:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch > > Hi Miso, > I am in a very similar situation to yourself. > For me, what is putting me off on the Braille Sense U2 is that it has been > around for a long time, and I don't know how long they will continue to be > updating their hardware. > For me, it's a toss-up between the Braillenote Touch and the Neo-Braille, > which I saw at convention and think is great. However, besides seeing it at > national convention and discussions about it on the NABS list, I have not > seen anyone else discuss it. I didn't even see it at our state convention. > This is a bit worrying, because I would think if there's a new cool piece > of > technology it would be all over the place and being discussed everywhere. > Good luck, > Vejas > > On Dec 14, 2016, at 00:15, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 00:40:03 2016 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:40:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school Message-ID: <5851e69d.c40d9d0a.0df7.0878@mx.google.com> Emma, I had to use a clicker for a college class I took last year. They're not very accessible, but they're easy to use nonetheless. If you're using the same clicker as I did, there are three rows of four buttons, one corresponding to each letter. The first button on the left is A, the second is B, the third is C, etc. When your professor hooks up the clickers, you can just click whichever button corresponds to the correct answers. Hope this helps, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L References: Message-ID: I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > From misokwak12 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 03:15:23 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:15:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school In-Reply-To: <5851e69d.c40d9d0a.0df7.0878@mx.google.com> References: <5851e69d.c40d9d0a.0df7.0878@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have been using a clicker for about 2 years now. The model my university uses has an accessible version, though I had to get it ordered from somewhere in Utah rather than my university's textbook store. The clicker has its A-E buttons labeled in Braille and when the system receives your answer, it vibrates so you know when the professor's device receives your answer. In class I just ask my professor or TA to read outloud the questions and choice options. Hope this helps. --Miso On 12/14/16, Sophie Trist via NABS-L wrote: > Emma, I had to use a clicker for a college class I took last > year. They're not very accessible, but they're easy to use > nonetheless. If you're using the same clicker as I did, there are > three rows of four buttons, one corresponding to each letter. The > first button on the left is A, the second is B, the third is C, > etc. When your professor hooks up the clickers, you can just > click whichever button corresponds to the correct answers. > > Hope this helps, > Sophie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:49:48 -1000 > Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school > > Hey everyone how do you manage clickers for school as a blind > student? > Are they accessible? > I have to use one in my science class next semester. > Emma > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From misokwak12 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 03:17:06 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 19:17:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all for your input. I think I will wait a bit more and then switch to BN touch as opportunity permits once I know for sure both the hardware and software are more stable. --Miso On 12/14/16, Todd Orlowski via NABS-L wrote: > I have the braille note touch and I love it. > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L > wrote: > >> Hi NABS listers, >> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN >> touch. >> >> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >> functioning well for the most part. >> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >> >> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >> helpful. >> >> Thank you, >> Miso Kwak >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From louvins at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 07:08:25 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 01:08:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: According to my local humanware dealer, the 3.0 update to the touch should come out next month, and I think monthly updates will come after that. On 12/14/16, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Thank you all for your input. > I think I will wait a bit more and then switch to BN touch as > opportunity permits once I know for sure both the hardware and > software are more stable. > --Miso > > On 12/14/16, Todd Orlowski via NABS-L wrote: >> I have the braille note touch and I love it. >> >> On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >>> Hi NABS listers, >>> I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN >>> touch. >>> >>> I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years >>> now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still >>> functioning well for the most part. >>> While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more >>> economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. >>> This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. >>> >>> Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of >>> rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of >>> pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be >>> helpful. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Miso Kwak >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >>> todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mi So Kwak > University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 > Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor > (909) 660-1897 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From kat.bottner at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 13:12:02 2016 From: kat.bottner at gmail.com (Kathryn Bottner) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 08:12:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Message-ID: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com From logan4447 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 14:13:28 2016 From: logan4447 at gmail.com (Logan Anderson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 09:13:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school In-Reply-To: References: <5851e69d.c40d9d0a.0df7.0878@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <17A6BC83-5A53-49BF-843F-90FA17AB108E@gmail.com> Hi, I believe my University uses the same one that has been previously mentioned. It is called the eye clicker to, and while I do not have the accessible version with the braille on it mine is fairly simple to use as well. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2016, at 10:15 PM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > I have been using a clicker for about 2 years now. > The model my university uses has an accessible version, though I had > to get it ordered from somewhere in Utah rather than my university's > textbook store. > The clicker has its A-E buttons labeled in Braille and when the system > receives your answer, it vibrates so you know when the professor's > device receives your answer. > In class I just ask my professor or TA to read outloud the questions > and choice options. > Hope this helps. > --Miso > >> On 12/14/16, Sophie Trist via NABS-L wrote: >> Emma, I had to use a clicker for a college class I took last >> year. They're not very accessible, but they're easy to use >> nonetheless. If you're using the same clicker as I did, there are >> three rows of four buttons, one corresponding to each letter. The >> first button on the left is A, the second is B, the third is C, >> etc. When your professor hooks up the clickers, you can just >> click whichever button corresponds to the correct answers. >> >> Hope this helps, >> Sophie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 12:49:48 -1000 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Clickers for school >> >> Hey everyone how do you manage clickers for school as a blind >> student? >> Are they accessible? >> I have to use one in my science class next semester. >> Emma >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mi So Kwak > University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 > Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor > (909) 660-1897 > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/logan4447%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 16:58:03 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:58:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Grad school out of state Message-ID: <5852cbcc.d52b810a.103a0.3929@mx.google.com> I am so sorry to hear that this is happening to you. My parents have always allowed me to make my own decisions. I think you should explain to your parents why you want to leave Georgia. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 17:33:50 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 12:33:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math Message-ID: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> Dear Students, For Christmas my family and I are doing a secret Santa gift exchange. I am also getting my mom an angel for the top of our tree and a bottle of collone for my dad. The prices for these items are 22.61 44.99 60 dollars and 80 dollars. When I totaled them up using my calculator I found out that I would need 300 dollars from the bank. The answer I got was two hundred seven point six. Can someone please tell me if this is right? From nightfury19 at verizon.net Thu Dec 15 18:06:44 2016 From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:06:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math In-Reply-To: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> References: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000401d256fd$ff51ef00$fdf5cd00$@verizon.net> I got $207.60 for the total. Melissa -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:34 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: roanna bacchus Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math Dear Students, For Christmas my family and I are doing a secret Santa gift exchange. I am also getting my mom an angel for the top of our tree and a bottle of collone for my dad. The prices for these items are 22.61 44.99 60 dollars and 80 dollars. When I totaled them up using my calculator I found out that I would need 300 dollars from the bank. The answer I got was two hundred seven point six. Can someone please tell me if this is right? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.ne t From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Thu Dec 15 18:39:00 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:39:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math In-Reply-To: <000401d256fd$ff51ef00$fdf5cd00$@verizon.net> References: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> <000401d256fd$ff51ef00$fdf5cd00$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5BC0D41D-9618-4E95-88F9-674E660CAE30@houghton.edu> Correct. $207.60. Have a nice Christmas! > On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:06, Melissa Hambleton via NABS-L wrote: > > I got $207.60 for the total. > > Melissa > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus > via NABS-L > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 12:34 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: roanna bacchus > Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math > > Dear Students, > > For Christmas my family and I are doing a secret Santa gift exchange. I am > also getting my mom an angel for the top of our tree and a bottle of collone > for my dad. The prices for these items are 22.61 44.99 60 dollars and 80 > dollars. When I totaled them up using my calculator I found out that I > would need 300 dollars from the bank. The answer I got was two hundred > seven point six. Can someone please tell me if this is right? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nightfury19%40verizon.ne > t > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 21:19:42 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 13:19:42 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps Message-ID: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> Hi All, Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. Thanks, Vejas From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Dec 15 21:29:43 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:29:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps In-Reply-To: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> References: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, yes this is all possible. Please pay attention to the steps that I'm going to give you below and if you need anything else so free to give me a shout. To do both things that you're wanting to do, you will first thing put your phone into editing mode, this is done with the double tap and hold. Dan to move apps, you will want to place your finger on the screen, and kind of dragon around like a pencil. To make a folder, you'll want to place apps on top of each other so that way I folder can be made. Then once this is done, you want to Will your finger there and let the folder be created. The same thing to move apps to different pages, however you want to move the apps Down towards the bottom of the screen so that they can be moved to different pages. I hope this helps. Joseph Hudson Group administrator for the following groups chat http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org blind apples http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com blind square GPS http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com blind handyman http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com iPad help for the blind https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com > On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 21:44:30 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 14:44:30 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps In-Reply-To: References: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <521C080C-B026-4624-A703-286C991EFB5C@gmail.com> This is possible! In iOS 10 it is much easier to do than in previous iOS versions. I don't know completely how to do it yet but I know you swipe up with one finger to begin arranging apps and then a menu of peers and you have to swipe down for options like place app in front of another app, create folder with another app, place app after your location… To move a page down or up, you have to go to where it says the page number and adjustable and swipe up or down accordingly. I am available on this email address if you need further assistance. Have a wonderful day! Sent from my iPhone 7 Using VoiceOver > On Dec 15, 2016, at 14:29, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, yes this is all possible. Please pay attention to the steps that I'm going to give you below and if you need anything else so free to give me a shout. To do both things that you're wanting to do, you will first thing put your phone into editing mode, this is done with the double tap and hold. Dan to move apps, you will want to place your finger on the screen, and kind of dragon around like a pencil. To make a folder, you'll want to place apps on top of each other so that way I folder can be made. Then once this is done, you want to Will your finger there and let the folder be created. The same thing to move apps to different pages, however you want to move the apps Down towards the bottom of the screen so that they can be moved to different pages. I hope this helps. > Joseph Hudson > Group administrator for the following > groups > chat > http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org > blind apples > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com > > blind square GPS > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com > > blind handyman > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com > > iPad help for the blind > https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind > > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 > facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Thu Dec 15 21:47:09 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 16:47:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps In-Reply-To: References: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <69D9434A-18E9-46F6-BCE9-C5D9B54C4E7E@houghton.edu> What version of iOS are you using? There is an easier way to do this. When you are on an app you will hear actions available. Swipe down one finger double tap and you will be in editing mode you can then double tap to delete an app or swipe down to select move app. After move app is selected, swipe to the app you want to make one then swipe down place (name of App) before, place (name of App) after, make folder with (name of app) Hopefully this helps. > On Dec 15, 2016, at 16:29, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello, yes this is all possible. Please pay attention to the steps that I'm going to give you below and if you need anything else so free to give me a shout. To do both things that you're wanting to do, you will first thing put your phone into editing mode, this is done with the double tap and hold. Dan to move apps, you will want to place your finger on the screen, and kind of dragon around like a pencil. To make a folder, you'll want to place apps on top of each other so that way I folder can be made. Then once this is done, you want to Will your finger there and let the folder be created. The same thing to move apps to different pages, however you want to move the apps Down towards the bottom of the screen so that they can be moved to different pages. I hope this helps. > Joseph Hudson > Group administrator for the following > groups > chat > http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org > blind apples > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com > > blind square GPS > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com > > blind handyman > http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com > > iPad help for the blind > https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind > > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 > facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From jhud7789 at outlook.com Thu Dec 15 21:54:07 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:54:07 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps In-Reply-To: <69D9434A-18E9-46F6-BCE9-C5D9B54C4E7E@houghton.edu> References: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> <69D9434A-18E9-46F6-BCE9-C5D9B54C4E7E@houghton.edu> Message-ID: I'm using the latest version of IOS 10. And the cool thing is, as I got it to work. > On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > > What version of iOS are you using? > There is an easier way to do this. When you are on an app you will hear actions available. Swipe down one finger double tap and you will be in editing mode you can then double tap to delete an app or swipe down to select move app. After move app is selected, swipe to the app you want to make one then swipe down place (name of App) before, place (name of App) after, make folder with (name of app) > > Hopefully this helps. >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 16:29, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, yes this is all possible. Please pay attention to the steps that I'm going to give you below and if you need anything else so free to give me a shout. To do both things that you're wanting to do, you will first thing put your phone into editing mode, this is done with the double tap and hold. Dan to move apps, you will want to place your finger on the screen, and kind of dragon around like a pencil. To make a folder, you'll want to place apps on top of each other so that way I folder can be made. Then once this is done, you want to Will your finger there and let the folder be created. The same thing to move apps to different pages, however you want to move the apps Down towards the bottom of the screen so that they can be moved to different pages. I hope this helps. >> Joseph Hudson >> Group administrator for the following >> groups >> chat >> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org >> blind apples >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> blind square GPS >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> blind handyman >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> iPad help for the blind >> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind >> >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 >> facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 22:58:41 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 17:58:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch In-Reply-To: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> References: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> Another note about the BrailleNote Touch is that inside the carrying case that comes with it, it weighs twice as much as the Apex, because the BrailleNote is 2 pounds and the carrying case is 2 pounds. I ended up buying a new, lighter, leather case from Executive products, I think, and I really like it, but the drawback is no physical keyboard. I'm fine with that because I didn't like the physical keyboard in the carrying case--it isn't Bluetooth as far as I can tell, it's just pressing on the screen like your fingers would do when using touch braille, and once I got the hang of touch braille, I was more accurate with that. Also the new carrying case doesn't have coverings over the sides of the device shifting around and turning it on and off all the time either. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:12 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From naomiotoole at icloud.com Thu Dec 15 23:03:43 2016 From: naomiotoole at icloud.com (Naomi O'Toole) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:03:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iMessage question Message-ID: <456F8421-6F64-458A-8B65-FAA7E37D8401@icloud.com> How do I get it from saying activation unsuccessful? I'd like to text emails but I can't. Sent from my iPhone From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:30:00 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:30:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iMessage question In-Reply-To: <456F8421-6F64-458A-8B65-FAA7E37D8401@icloud.com> References: <456F8421-6F64-458A-8B65-FAA7E37D8401@icloud.com> Message-ID: <015f01d2572b$27bc2e60$77348b20$@gmail.com> Hi, Are you using an Iphone or Ipod? If you are using an Iphone, go to settings, messages, and make sure that iMessages are turned on. The other thing I can think of is making sure that you are sending and receiving messages with either your cell number or iCloud email address. If you have anymore questions please feel free to contact me. Nesma -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Naomi O'Toole via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:04 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Naomi O'Toole Subject: [nabs-l] iMessage question How do I get it from saying activation unsuccessful? I'd like to text emails but I can't. Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From jldail13 at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:38:28 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:38:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch In-Reply-To: <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> References: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <369BBEE203A0C81F.72E1DC98-27D1-4E1D-B630-B750B04321E4@mail.outlook.com>  Hi,Does this new case still protect the whole device? Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:59 PM -0500, "Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L" wrote: Another note about the BrailleNote Touch is that inside the carrying case that comes with it, it weighs twice as much as the Apex, because the BrailleNote is 2 pounds and the carrying case is 2 pounds. I ended up buying a new, lighter, leather case from Executive products, I think, and I really like it, but the drawback is no physical keyboard. I'm fine with that because I didn't like the physical keyboard in the carrying case--it isn't Bluetooth as far as I can tell, it's just pressing on the screen like your fingers would do when using touch braille, and once I got the hang of touch braille, I was more accurate with that. Also the new carrying case doesn't have coverings over the sides of the device shifting around and turning it on and off all the time either. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:12 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:42:31 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:42:31 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone Question Regarding Apps In-Reply-To: <69D9434A-18E9-46F6-BCE9-C5D9B54C4E7E@houghton.edu> References: <58530927.5147620a.22d49.d347@mx.google.com> <69D9434A-18E9-46F6-BCE9-C5D9B54C4E7E@houghton.edu> Message-ID: <3017E080-9243-42D0-9BC6-DF88762B9382@gmail.com> I am on IOS 10. I usually have my phone connected with my Apex but am familiar with swiping as well. I will try this out. Thanks, Vejas > On Dec 15, 2016, at 13:47, Christina Moore via NABS-L wrote: > > What version of iOS are you using? > There is an easier way to do this. When you are on an app you will hear actions available. Swipe down one finger double tap and you will be in editing mode you can then double tap to delete an app or swipe down to select move app. After move app is selected, swipe to the app you want to make one then swipe down place (name of App) before, place (name of App) after, make folder with (name of app) > > Hopefully this helps. >> On Dec 15, 2016, at 16:29, Joseph Hudson via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hello, yes this is all possible. Please pay attention to the steps that I'm going to give you below and if you need anything else so free to give me a shout. To do both things that you're wanting to do, you will first thing put your phone into editing mode, this is done with the double tap and hold. Dan to move apps, you will want to place your finger on the screen, and kind of dragon around like a pencil. To make a folder, you'll want to place apps on top of each other so that way I folder can be made. Then once this is done, you want to Will your finger there and let the folder be created. The same thing to move apps to different pages, however you want to move the apps Down towards the bottom of the screen so that they can be moved to different pages. I hope this helps. >> Joseph Hudson >> Group administrator for the following >> groups >> chat >> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org >> blind apples >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> blind square GPS >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> blind handyman >> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com >> >> iPad help for the blind >> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind >> >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 >> facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 3:19 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Is it possible as a blind person to move their apps around without the use of sighted assistance? I would like to move some apps onto different pages, and create folders for others. >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 15 23:50:00 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 15:50:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] iMessage question In-Reply-To: <456F8421-6F64-458A-8B65-FAA7E37D8401@icloud.com> References: <456F8421-6F64-458A-8B65-FAA7E37D8401@icloud.com> Message-ID: You should be able to text someone's email address. I think whether or not you can use I-Message depends on whether or not the person has an iphone. Vejas > On Dec 15, 2016, at 15:03, Naomi O'Toole via NABS-L wrote: > > > > How do I get it from saying activation unsuccessful? I'd like to text emails but I can't. Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 00:03:01 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:03:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch In-Reply-To: <369BBEE203A0C81F.72E1DC98-27D1-4E1D-B630-B750B04321E4@mail.outlook.com> References: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> <369BBEE203A0C81F.72E1DC98-27D1-4E1D-B630-B750B04321E4@mail.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00b001d2572f$c517b3b0$4f471b10$@gmail.com> Yes it does, and it's very secure. It just doesn't have the flaps that cover the sides. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jessica Dail via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 6:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Jessica Dail Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Hi,Does this new case still protect the whole device? Get Outlook for iOS On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 5:59 PM -0500, "Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L" wrote: Another note about the BrailleNote Touch is that inside the carrying case that comes with it, it weighs twice as much as the Apex, because the BrailleNote is 2 pounds and the carrying case is 2 pounds. I ended up buying a new, lighter, leather case from Executive products, I think, and I really like it, but the drawback is no physical keyboard. I'm fine with that because I didn't like the physical keyboard in the carrying case--it isn't Bluetooth as far as I can tell, it's just pressing on the screen like your fingers would do when using touch braille, and once I got the hang of touch braille, I was more accurate with that. Also the new carrying case doesn't have coverings over the sides of the device shifting around and turning it on and off all the time either. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:12 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Fri Dec 16 00:25:23 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 18:25:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch In-Reply-To: <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> References: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <05e401d25732$e4d01870$ae704950$@visi.com> Just to clarify, the keyboard on the BrailleNote Touch actually connects to the unit through a cable and plug built into the back of the carrying case. In other words, it is electrically connected and is not just pressing on the screen. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Another note about the BrailleNote Touch is that inside the carrying case that comes with it, it weighs twice as much as the Apex, because the BrailleNote is 2 pounds and the carrying case is 2 pounds. I ended up buying a new, lighter, leather case from Executive products, I think, and I really like it, but the drawback is no physical keyboard. I'm fine with that because I didn't like the physical keyboard in the carrying case--it isn't Bluetooth as far as I can tell, it's just pressing on the screen like your fingers would do when using touch braille, and once I got the hang of touch braille, I was more accurate with that. Also the new carrying case doesn't have coverings over the sides of the device shifting around and turning it on and off all the time either. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:12 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m From jameyanne at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 00:52:57 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:52:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch In-Reply-To: <05e401d25732$e4d01870$ae704950$@visi.com> References: <009801d256d4$d4861c20$7d925460$@gmail.com> <006101d25726$c8414460$58c3cd20$@gmail.com> <05e401d25732$e4d01870$ae704950$@visi.com> Message-ID: <00cb01d25736$bec381e0$3c4a85a0$@gmail.com> Oh that's cool, I didn't know that. I just assumed it wasn't because you don't have to disconnect anything when you take it out of the case. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:25 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Just to clarify, the keyboard on the BrailleNote Touch actually connects to the unit through a cable and plug built into the back of the carrying case. In other words, it is electrically connected and is not just pressing on the screen. Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:59 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Jameyanne Fuller Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Another note about the BrailleNote Touch is that inside the carrying case that comes with it, it weighs twice as much as the Apex, because the BrailleNote is 2 pounds and the carrying case is 2 pounds. I ended up buying a new, lighter, leather case from Executive products, I think, and I really like it, but the drawback is no physical keyboard. I'm fine with that because I didn't like the physical keyboard in the carrying case--it isn't Bluetooth as far as I can tell, it's just pressing on the screen like your fingers would do when using touch braille, and once I got the hang of touch braille, I was more accurate with that. Also the new carrying case doesn't have coverings over the sides of the device shifting around and turning it on and off all the time either. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Bottner via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:12 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Kathryn Bottner Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs Braille Note Touch Miso, I have the Braille Sense U2 qwerty keyboard model, and I have to say it's an awesome device. It's light weight, and it can easily be put in a back pack, or any other bag used for school, ETC. I'll be checking out the Braille Note this Monday in more detail, as I want to get a sense of what it is like, but I'm more a fan of my Braille Sense. I'd say do your research on both devices, before making a decision. I do hope this helps. Take Care, Kat Bottner NFB of Delaware Affiliate President -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Todd Orlowski via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 8:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Todd Orlowski Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2 vs BrailleNote Touch I have the braille note touch and I love it. On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 2:15 AM, Miso Kwak via NABS-L wrote: > Hi NABS listers, > I am writing to hear about juser experience of Braille Sense U2 and BN > touch. > > I currently have BrailleNote Apex, which I had for about 3.5 years > now. The device has some repair work that could be done but it's still > functioning well for the most part. > While considering the repair, I began wondering if it would be more > economically efficient to trade in the Apex and get BN touch. > This being said, I have been thinking about Braille Sense U2 as well. > > Both repair and purchase would have to go through the department of > rehab so nothing is for sure at this point but some perspectives of > pros and cons of using either BN touch or Braille Sense U2 would be > helpful. > > Thank you, > Miso Kwak > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > todd.orlowski11%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kat.bottner%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.co m _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 16 01:39:49 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:39:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: O&M Instructor Job Announcement for NFB ListServs Message-ID: > >Hello, > >Society for the Blind, located in Sacramento California, has been >providing individuals living with blindness or low vision training, >tools, and mentorship to achieve their full potential for over sixty >years. Our organization is currently seeking experienced, qualified >candidates for an open Orientation & Mobility Instructor >position. A description of the job is provided below. This >position is full-time (40 hours per week), and it includes a >competitive compensation and benefits package. Interested >applicants may email cover letters and resumes to Shane Snyder, >Director of Programs, at >ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org. >The position will remain open until filled. No phone calls, >please. Thank you for your interest! > >Job Title: Orientation & >Mobility Instructor >Classification: Non-Exempt/Full-Time >Reports to: Director of Programs > >General Description: The essential function of the job is to teach >students how to travel safely, efficiently, and independently in >their homes, workplaces, community, and beyond. > >Duties: >Instruction: > * Instruct students in the proper use of the long, white cane > and other mobility aids to travel safely, efficiently, and independently. > * Introduce students to and teach them in the use of non-visual > methods and strategies for orientation and mobility. > * Using the Structure Discovery Method, Provide real world > opportunities to practice and reinforce non-visual skills and > techniques for safe, efficient, and independent travel. > * Instruct students in how to safely, locate, detect, and > negotiate stairways including ascending/descending, fall > prevention/recovery, and checking for hazards. > * Conduct training in non-visual techniques for safely crossing > both controlled and uncontrolled intersections including strategies > for negotiating high traffic roadways. > * Teach students how to safely and effectively utilize public > transportation, including: route and trip planning; locating > transit stops and transportation hubs; and boarding/exiting busses, > trains, airplanes and other vehicles. Instruct students in how to > safely and effectively negotiate escalators, elevators, revolving > doors, and other challenges encountered when traveling. > * Teach students how to locate, use, and navigate safely and > efficiently busy public facilities such as shopping malls, > stadiums, airports, hospitals, college campuses, etc. > * Create tactile and auditory maps and instruct students in > their proper use. > * Evaluate students' functional, physical and mental > capabilities, as related to mobility and orientation. > * Determine individual students' need for physical conditioning. > * Stay current in areas of responsibility. > * Address and conduct workshops for interested groups as requested. > >Documentation >1. Maintain thorough, complete and timely ongoing weekly and >monthly record keeping of client services; including, but not >limited to case notes, lesson notes, evaluations, progress reports, >and correspondence. >2. Documents immediately and thoroughly any student falls or >other accidents that occur during training. > >Team Building and Networking > * Present client issues to supervisor and contribute to ongoing > problem solving of such issues while maintaining appropriate confidentiality. > * Consult with other professionals, family members or other > appropriate parties regarding the progress and problems of the students. > * Participate in individual case conferences and confer > regularly with program staff on multi-disciplinary service team > concerning client's program and adjustment to blindness or vision loss. > * Maintain positive and professional relations with counselors > of Department of Rehabilitation and other agencies as well as > Society students, staff, and volunteers. > * Coordinate effective client service with third-party > counselors, such as Department of Rehabilitation. > >Other Duties: > * Attend all staff and department meetings > * Adhere to all Society policies and procedures > * Obtain training to enhance job requirements > * Other duties as required > >Qualifications: > * A minimum of two years working experience. > * Master's Degree in Orientation & Mobility or related field. > * COMS or NOMC certification in O&M instruction. > * Ability to stand and walk for at least seven hours per day > * Sufficient stamina to walk distances of up to two miles at a time > * Ability to safely descend stairs backward and ahead of > students to lend any necessary support and to help prevent falls. > * Sufficient strength to support the weight of adult students in > case of stumbling or falling. > * Proficiency in English grammar, usage, and mechanics > * Excellent verbal, written, and interpersonal communication skills. > * Strong computer skills, including proficiency in MS Office - > Word, Excel, Outlook & Internet Explorer. > From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 16 01:41:27 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 19:41:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: RE: Distribution of Adaptive Technology Instructor Job Position Announcement on NFB Listservs Message-ID: > >Greetings! > >Society for the Blind, located in Sacramento California, has been >providing individuals living with blindness or low vision training, >tools, and mentorship to achieve their full potential for over sixty >years. Our organization is currently seeking experienced, qualified >candidates for an open Adaptive Technology Instructor position. A >description of the job is provided below. This position is >full-time (40 hours per week), and it includes a competitive >compensation and benefits package. Interested applicants may email >cover letters and resumes to Shane Snyder, Director of Programs, at >ssnyder at societyfortheblind.org. >The position will remain open until filled. No phone calls, >please. Thank you for your interest! > > > >Job Title: Adaptive Technology Instructor > > > > > >Classification: Non-Exempt/Full-Time > > > >Reports to: Director of Programs > >General Description: The essential functions of the job are to >teach computer and adaptive technology skills to Society for the >Blind clients, to maintain expertise in all pertinent areas of >adaptive and other technology, and be a motivated team player able >to effectively teach blind students with critical computer and >adaptive technology skills that will enable them to achieve their >vocational and independent living goals. > >Duties: > >Instruction: > * Teach small group and individual classes in adaptive > technology for blind and visually impaired clients. > * Assess and evaluate clients as to appropriate instructional > modalities, as well as software and equipment needs. > * Consistently achieve high level of excellence in both > instruction and productivity. > * Work with Department of Rehabilitation counselors to ensure > that clients receive all instruction, software, equipment, and > other support necessary for these individuals to achieve their > vocational and independent living goals. > * Work with Adaptive Technology Coordinator to ensure that > software and hardware are in good working order for instructional purposes. > * Create manuals and tutorials which will assist clients to > progress in learning curriculum content. > * Develop, update, and revise curriculum as needed to optimize learning. > * Complete tasks and projects as needed to maximize client > learning outcomes. > >Documentation: > * Maintain thorough, complete and timely ongoing weekly and > monthly recordkeeping of client services; including, but not > limited to case notes, lesson notes, evaluations, progress reports, > and correspondence. > >Team Building and Networking: >1. Share client issues to supervisor and contribute to ongoing >problem solving of such issues while maintaining appropriate confidentiality. > * Consult with other professionals, family members or other > appropriate parties regarding client progress and other issues. > * Participate in individual case conferences and confer > regularly with program staff on multi-disciplinary service team > concerning client's program and adjustment to blindness or vision loss. > * Maintain positive effective and professional relations with > counselors at the Department of Rehabilitation and other agencies. > >Others: > * Maintain positive and professional relationship with SFTB > clients, staff and volunteers. > * Attend all staff and department meetings. > * Adhere to all Society policies and procedures. > * Obtain training to enhance job effectiveness. > * Stay current in areas of responsibility. > * Other duties as assigned or needed. > >Qualifications: > * Highly skilled in current operating systems, especially > Windows, with a particular emphasis on mastery of alternative > keyboard commands. > * Expertise in JAWS, Window Eyes, and familiarity in at least > one additional screen reading application, such as Voiceover. > * Expertise in Microsoft Office Programs including MS Word, MS > Excel, MS Outlook & MS Internet Explorer. > * Expertise in MAGIC or Zoom Text magnification/color > enhancement software. > * Expertise in the use of Braille note taking and other Braille devices. > * Excellent oral, written, and interpersonal communication skills. > * Strong organizational and time management skills. > >Education and Experience Requirements: > * High school diploma or equivalent > * Successful completion of an adaptive technology certification > program preferred. >3. Minimum two years working experience. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Dec 16 03:56:44 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 21:56:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Holiday Discounts from Commtech USA Message-ID: I have been asked to circulate the following: >>From: Commtech LLC <info at commtechusa.net> >>Subject: Holiday Discounts from Commtech USA >>Date: December 14, 2016 at 11:09:38 AM EST >>To: barbara.pierce9366 at gmail.com >>Cc: Rodney Neely <rodneyfneely at gmail.com> >> >>Hello: >> >>below is a listing of special discounts to new >>and current members. please spread far and wide. >> >>1. 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Thats Not All: >> >>Until December 24th 2016, If you buy a year’s >>worth of monthly subscription, we will donate a >>month free to any one of your choosing, so not >>only do you get support, but we will be >>donating a free month of our service to anyone >>you choose if you purchase a year’s worth of >>service. And yes, same goes for the Academy, by >>all available courses offered now, and we will >>donate a course free to any one of your >>choosing. It doesn’t get better than that! >> >>Don’t feel comfortable paying online? call >>us, (888) 351-5289. We take Visa, MasterCard, >>money order and Paypal, and Paypal Credit, Chase Quick Pay, Square Cash.. >> >>Want to be kept up on our discounts, specials >>and get free tech tips. subscribe to our news letter at: >>http://commtechusa.net >>Gabe Vega CEO Commtech USA >> >> >> >>Gabe Vega | CEO >>Commtech LLC >>The leader of Tech Sales, Support, Training and Web Development Services >>Web: http://commtechusa.net >>Twitter: http://twitter.com/commtechusa >>Facebook: http://facebook.com/commtechllc >>Email: gabe.vega at commtechusa.net >>Phone: (888) 351-5289 Ext. 710 >>Fax: (480) 535-7649 - CEO Commtech LLC >>gabe.vega at commtechusa.net From garywunder at me.com Fri Dec 16 13:32:18 2016 From: garywunder at me.com (Gary Wunder) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 07:32:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math In-Reply-To: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> References: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005d01d257a0$d2e14c10$78a3e430$@me.com> Yes on the 207. -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of roanna bacchus via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 11:34 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: roanna bacchus Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math Dear Students, For Christmas my family and I are doing a secret Santa gift exchange. I am also getting my mom an angel for the top of our tree and a bottle of collone for my dad. The prices for these items are 22.61 44.99 60 dollars and 80 dollars. When I totaled them up using my calculator I found out that I would need 300 dollars from the bank. The answer I got was two hundred seven point six. Can someone please tell me if this is right? _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/garywunder%40me.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Dec 16 22:44:50 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (Angela Roberts) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 16:44:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Hadley's pre-algebra course Message-ID: <9D1CF4AB-A55B-43FF-A2D4-0E1650D438C7@gmail.com> Hello fellow students, hope you have a wonderful holiday. Has anyone taken the pre-algebra courses offered at the Hadley school for the blind? If so, did you take it in large print or braille? Would you suggest that I take it in braille or large print? I do not know contracted braille, and I am unable to see large print without taking a picture of the page and making it bigger on the iPhone. I also have to write out my problems on the computer, because I am on able to hand write my problems. From bestca21 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 01:25:48 2016 From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Caitlin Best) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:25:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Needing Help Checking my Math In-Reply-To: <005d01d257a0$d2e14c10$78a3e430$@me.com> References: <5852d42e.8b50810a.b40e2.3e4b@mx.google.com> <005d01d257a0$d2e14c10$78a3e430$@me.com> Message-ID: <0C5CC778-BF60-4CE5-87AD-5F39B83E557E@gmail.com> Your math is correct, but that's not including any taxes that may be applied. Cheers,Caitlin Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 16, 2016, at 08:32, Gary Wunder via NABS-L wrote: > > f From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 02:07:13 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 18:07:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question Message-ID: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> Hi, I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the Touch, and I have one more question about it. How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? Thanks, Vejas From truewise.8614 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 04:25:40 2016 From: truewise.8614 at gmail.com (Vanna Song) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 20:25:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question In-Reply-To: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> References: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> Message-ID: >From hat I know so far, the Touch only has sixteen GB. On 12/16/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > Hi, > I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the > Touch, and I have one more question about it. > How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 05:00:47 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 23:00:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question In-Reply-To: References: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi to all. The touch does accept sd cards, and does have a USB port for a flash drive. Sometime in the next year, the internal memory of the touch, will increase from 16 gigs, to 32 gigs. On 12/16/16, Vanna Song via NABS-L wrote: > From hat I know so far, the Touch only has sixteen GB. > > On 12/16/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the >> Touch, and I have one more question about it. >> How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From misokwak12 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 05:02:04 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 21:02:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question In-Reply-To: References: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> Message-ID: does this 16GB memory include space for apps you download? Or is this strictly for files you store? Miso Kwak On 12/16/16, Vanna Song via NABS-L wrote: > From hat I know so far, the Touch only has sixteen GB. > > On 12/16/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the >> Touch, and I have one more question about it. >> How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > -- Mi So Kwak University of California, Los Angeles | 2017 Psychology B.A. | Education Studies Minor | Disability Studies Minor (909) 660-1897 From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 06:47:21 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 22:47:21 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question In-Reply-To: References: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6A9C796E-F2AB-4A82-A18B-CDF52B5A9ABE@gmail.com> So would it accept a 64 gig Sd card? Vejas > On Dec 16, 2016, at 20:25, Vanna Song via NABS-L wrote: > > From hat I know so far, the Touch only has sixteen GB. > >> On 12/16/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> Hi, >> I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the >> Touch, and I have one more question about it. >> How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From discoduck221 at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 08:30:09 2016 From: discoduck221 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 01:30:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Meet A Talking Book Narrator While Helping Children This Christmas Season Message-ID: Hello All! Even if you don't find this message important to you, please feel free to share this with friends and family. It's for a good cause, and is supporting children during the holidays! KJSC Radio and The Inner Visions Radio Network are hosting a 24 hour radiothon to support The Make A Wish Foundation http://www.wish.org starting this sunday, December 18, 2016 at 1 AM eastern. This will be a full 24 hours of... Information and audio clips about Make A Wish A mix of music and other audio content The annual Djd Invasion Christmas party portion at 7 PM eastern Some Christmas dramas A Press Your Luck competition to increase your chances of winning one of our fabulous prizes (see below) And more.. We'll be interviewing some awesome people, too, including Singer Jessica Victoria Bachicha http://www.jessicabachicha.com/ NLS narrator Martha Harmon Pardee, live in the 1 PM eastern time hour of the show Marty Of Blind Fold Games just to name some.... As I said above, prizes are up for grabs. If you donate at http://djdrocks.online/wish16 you can donate directly to Make A Wish, and optionally, enter yourself in to win one of our fabulous prizes! Prizes include: Uber and Lyft Gift Cards ITunes gift cards Tickets to a concert of your choice A Great Clips Prize Pack Your choice of an amazon echo or Apple TV And, our grand prize of a spring/summer getaway to anywhere in the United States, round trip! Speaking of that round trip prize, it's the only one where you must be reachable when we draw your name in the 11 PM eastern hour of the radiothon either by phone or skype. This ensures we can reach you so we can set up a time to help you book your trip! You'll also be able to interact with me and others during the show by adding kjsc.radio to skype Adding kjscradio to twitter (note please use the RadioWish16 hash tag when speaking with us on twitter) Or you can call us at 602 399 7279 Standard long distance charges will apply. And you can use those methods to make requests or search my song library once we go live at http://djdrocks.online/requests All this info is on our fund raising radiothon page at http://djdrocks.online/wish16/radio.php and you can donate at http://djdrocks.online/wish16 The radiothon details and listen info is linked on the donation page too! To tune in, you can also Search for Tunein Radio on the app store or google play, then once you get the app, look for KJSC Radio there Use this link to start the stream playing on your pc or mac: http://onj.me/kjscradio Or for additional listening options, visit http://kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php Our radiothon page at http://djdrocks.online/wish16/radio.php has links to launch the stream using your default media players. If you have any questions about any of this, don't hesitate to email me at discoduck221 at gmail.com Whether you tune in for all of the show, or an hour of it, I think you'll find our radiothon special filled with entertainment, a happy spirit, and holiday cheer, so please join us at any time during the 24 hour radiothon! Happy holidays, and I hope to have you all there! >From David Dunphy From louvins at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 09:25:40 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 03:25:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Another Braillenote Touch Question In-Reply-To: <6A9C796E-F2AB-4A82-A18B-CDF52B5A9ABE@gmail.com> References: <58549e0c.0243630a.4cc9b.a954@mx.google.com> <6A9C796E-F2AB-4A82-A18B-CDF52B5A9ABE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you could put a 64 GB sd card on the braille note touch. Yes, the 16 GB of internal memory is for storing different aps that you download to the device. You could put an sd card that is larger then 64 GB on the touch if you wanted as well. On 12/17/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > So would it accept a 64 gig Sd card? > Vejas > >> On Dec 16, 2016, at 20:25, Vanna Song via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> From hat I know so far, the Touch only has sixteen GB. >> >>> On 12/16/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I know that we have had lots of discussion lately regarding the >>> Touch, and I have one more question about it. >>> How much memory does the Touch have? Will it accept sd cards? >>> Thanks, >>> Vejas >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/truewise.8614%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From mausbun at unr.edu Sun Dec 18 16:52:05 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:52:05 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> Hello Everyone! The time has arrived once more for another call! The National Association of blind Student’s legislative committee will be meeting tonight, 12/18 at 9 P.M Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your convenience. Dial number: (605) 475-6700 Access Code: 7869673 Hope to see many of you there! Getting ready for Washington Seminar, this call is going to be jam packed and lots of fun! Respectfully, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students National Association of Blind Students Legislative Committee Agenda (1) Meeting called to order (2) Introductions (3) • AIM-HEA (4) o What it is (5) o Our role (6) o Letters (7)  Student testimonials (8)  University support (9)  SGA Support (10) • Washington Seminar (11) o When is it (12) o What is it (13) • Updates (14) • Questions and comments. From eemcrew at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:03:51 2016 From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services Message-ID: Hi there, I am a community college student about to start another semester of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking away from using the disability services office at school because of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and the law if I choose not to go through disability services and give my professors the official letter requiring their compliance. Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably if I do not go through disability services and give them an official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the same environment in which they learn the information which has been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve the information they learned in that environment, and I have known some people who have talk to the professors and been able to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on this particular factor. If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful information or connect me with somebody who may have that information, I would be incredibly grateful. Thank you! Ellana Crew, Vice President Maryland Association of Blind Students The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:32:55 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:32:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7728DB7E-A52B-4547-B57E-604EF7FFAC9E@gmail.com> Hi, My main concern with completely breaking away from disability services is that it seems like many professors rely on their word. For example one of my professors said to the whole class before final exams "You have an hour to take this exam, unless you have extra time given to you by the DSS office." Regarding test-taking in the classroom, my school allows students the choice of whether to take tests with everyone else or within the DSS office. So my suggesttion in that regard would be to scan your school's DSS web site. There could be a possibility that your DSS is similar. If someone from the DSS office gives you a hard time about wanting to take exams with everyone else, you would then be able to just show them a link to their own web site. I hope this helps and that you can get some more replies soon, Vejas > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:03, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi there, > > I am a community college student about to start another semester of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking away from using the disability services office at school because of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and the law if I choose not to go through disability services and give my professors the official letter requiring their compliance. > > Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably if I do not go through disability services and give them an official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. > > I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the same environment in which they learn the information which has been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve the information they learned in that environment, and I have known some people who have talk to the professors and been able to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on this particular factor. > > If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful information or connect me with somebody who may have that information, I would be incredibly grateful. > > Thank you! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:37:57 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 18:37:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: <7728DB7E-A52B-4547-B57E-604EF7FFAC9E@gmail.com> References: <7728DB7E-A52B-4547-B57E-604EF7FFAC9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 8:34 AM Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi, > > My main concern with completely breaking away from disability services is > that it seems like many professors rely on their word. For example one of > my professors said to the whole class before final exams "You have an hour > to take this exam, unless you have extra time given to you by the DSS > office." > > Regarding test-taking in the classroom, my school allows students the > choice of whether to take tests with everyone else or within the DSS > office. So my suggesttion in that regard would be to scan your school's DSS > web site. There could be a possibility that your DSS is similar. If someone > from the DSS office gives you a hard time about wanting to take exams with > everyone else, you would then be able to just show them a link to their own > web site. > > I hope this helps and that you can get some more replies soon, > > Vejas > > > > > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:03, Ellana Crew via NABS-L > wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, > > > > > > I am a community college student about to start another semester of > classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking away from > using the disability services office at school because of all of the > troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices and mixups and failures on > their end. However, before I decide to go through with this, I'd like to > have some more information on what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as > accommodations and the law if I choose not to go through disability > services and give my professors the official letter requiring their > compliance. > > > > > > Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information on if > professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably if I do not go > through disability services and give them an official letter from them, > especially in regards to test taking? I am concerned that perhaps they may > not be obligated to provide me any sort of accommodation at all without an > official letter from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps > there is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and especially > if that limit is when it comes to tests. > > > > > > I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in the > classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through the hassle of > coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center and dealing with more > failures to properly prepare my test or not prepare my test in time for the > scheduled appointment in the testing center, and being forced to > automatically be at a disadvantage by having to take my test in a different > setting while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the same > environment in which they learn the information which has been proven many > times to improve the persons ability to retrieve the information they > learned in that environment, and I have known some people who have talk to > the professors and been able to take their tests in their classrooms in > this way, but I want to be sure that I would not be in violation of > anything in that I know my rights when it comes to this if my professor > does not know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on this > particular factor. > > > > > > If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful > information or connect me with somebody who may have that information, I > would be incredibly grateful. > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > > > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > > > > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > NABS-L mailing list > > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > I would not do this the letter makes sure they accommodate you. Emma From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:45:54 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 10:45:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just had another thought. If I really felt that I needed to leave them, I would do so if both parties could remain on friendly, or at least speaking, terms. I dn't know your exact situation, but your requests are very reasonable. If you are not careful, though, they might perceive you as the "enemy" so to speak. There may come a time during a later date at this school where you may need their help. Did you sign anything to allow communication between the DSS office and teachers/other staff? If you did not, then they are not within their rights to communicate with your professors. Vejas > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:03, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi there, > > I am a community college student about to start another semester of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking away from using the disability services office at school because of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and the law if I choose not to go through disability services and give my professors the official letter requiring their compliance. > > Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably if I do not go through disability services and give them an official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. > > I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the same environment in which they learn the information which has been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve the information they learned in that environment, and I have known some people who have talk to the professors and been able to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on this particular factor. > > If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful information or connect me with somebody who may have that information, I would be incredibly grateful. > > Thank you! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 18:56:05 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:56:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006101d25960$637b6790$2a7236b0$@gmail.com> I know my undergrad's policy was that accommodations had to go through the disabilitites services office. In grad school where I am now, you have to go through the accessibility office because exams are anonomous so your professors can't actually know what your accommodations are. What you're asking for seems definitely reasonable, and the best course is probably to approach your dss office and have a conversation about your issues, but as has been said already, I don't know your specific circumstances. Either way, you'll likely have better luck working with the DSS office than breaking away from them completely. HTH Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 1:46 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services I just had another thought. If I really felt that I needed to leave them, I would do so if both parties could remain on friendly, or at least speaking, terms. I dn't know your exact situation, but your requests are very reasonable. If you are not careful, though, they might perceive you as the "enemy" so to speak. There may come a time during a later date at this school where you may need their help. Did you sign anything to allow communication between the DSS office and teachers/other staff? If you did not, then they are not within their rights to communicate with your professors. Vejas > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:03, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi there, > > I am a community college student about to start another semester of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking away from using the disability services office at school because of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and the law if I choose not to go through disability services and give my professors the official letter requiring their compliance. > > Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably if I do not go through disability services and give them an official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. > > I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the same environment in which they learn the information which has been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve the information they learned in that environment, and I have known some people who have talk to the professors and been able to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on this particular factor. > > If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful information or connect me with somebody who may have that information, I would be incredibly grateful. > > Thank you! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 19:00:36 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 09:00:36 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> Message-ID: <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> I do not think I'm going to make it I am in another time zone Sorry Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > The time has arrived once more for another call! The National Association of blind Student’s legislative committee will be meeting tonight, 12/18 at 9 P.M Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your convenience. > Dial number: (605) 475-6700 > Access Code: 7869673 > Hope to see many of you there! Getting ready for Washington Seminar, this call is going to be jam packed and lots of fun! > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun, Secretary > National Association of Blind Students > > National Association of Blind Students > Legislative Committee Agenda > (1) Meeting called to order > (2) Introductions > (3) • AIM-HEA > (4) o What it is > (5) o Our role > (6) o Letters > (7)  Student testimonials > (8)  University support > (9)  SGA Support > (10) • Washington Seminar > (11) o When is it > (12) o What is it > (13) • Updates > (14) • Questions and comments. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From kmaent1 at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 21:04:54 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:04:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services Message-ID: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the classroom. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L Hi All! We're heading towards the final stretch of the Holiday Fund Raiser, with The Djd Invasion Christmas party at 7 PM eastern. You can still win prizes just by donating at http://djdrocks.online/wish16 for our Make A Wish event. We've raised 495 dollars so far! You can tune in at http://onj.me/kjscradio and if you donate, you could win one of our prizes, and maybe, just maybe, the trip to anywhere in the United States! Come to the fun at 7 PM eastern! >From David From alpineimagination at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 01:00:19 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 17:00:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone Else Finding Braille Display Bugs Due to the Latest IOS Update? Message-ID: <58573125.06b5630a.2343f.1c60@mx.google.com> Hi, I know that this is not very serious, and there is not much that can be done, but just wondering if the most recent version of IOS has made your Braille display act differently. In my case, I have a braillenote that I pair with my phone. In the messages app, there is a funny set of simples that literally looks like a dot 4, then the ed sign, then dot 5, and then 200e. This symbol shows up instead of "read" when a message has been seen, and also shows up as the first person in a group text (the second name still shows up). Anyone else? Vejas From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Mon Dec 19 01:30:59 2016 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 19:30:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone Else Finding Braille Display Bugs Due to the Latest IOS Update? In-Reply-To: ImKkcUTfsUMZEImKmc1o1I References: ImKkcUTfsUMZEImKmc1o1I Message-ID: <004801d25997$8e9726d0$abc57470$@mediacombb.net> I have heard that some displays are having troubles connecting after the update is installed. As to your particular issue, I have not heard that. That's not to say others are not having that issue. I have also heard that they are hard at work with a fix to the update. Loren -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone Else Finding Braille Display Bugs Due to the Latest IOS Update? Hi, I know that this is not very serious, and there is not much that can be done, but just wondering if the most recent version of IOS has made your Braille display act differently. In my case, I have a braillenote that I pair with my phone. In the messages app, there is a funny set of simples that literally looks like a dot 4, then the ed sign, then dot 5, and then 200e. This symbol shows up instead of "read" when a message has been seen, and also shows up as the first person in a group text (the second name still shows up). Anyone else? Vejas _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et From filerime at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 14:59:44 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:59:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: could you let us know the next one please? I think I saw this email little bit late. 2016-12-18 14:00 GMT-05:00, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L : > I do not think I'm going to make it I am in another time zone > Sorry > Emma > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone! >> The time has arrived once more for another call! The National >> Association of blind Student’s legislative committee will be meeting >> tonight, 12/18 at 9 P.M Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your >> convenience. >> Dial number: (605) 475-6700 >> Access Code: 7869673 >> Hope to see many of you there! Getting ready for Washington Seminar, this >> call is going to be jam packed and lots of fun! >> Respectfully, >> Michael Ausbun, Secretary >> National Association of Blind Students >> >> National Association of Blind Students >> Legislative Committee Agenda >> (1) Meeting called to order >> (2) Introductions >> (3) • AIM-HEA >> (4) o What it is >> (5) o Our role >> (6) o Letters >> (7)  Student testimonials >> (8)  University support >> (9)  SGA Support >> (10) • Washington Seminar >> (11) o When is it >> (12) o What is it >> (13) • Updates >> (14) • Questions and comments. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From filerime at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 15:05:17 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:05:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> References: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I agree what being said. If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. If you haven't seen this, please have a look. https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L : > You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is > because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability > and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that > disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what > they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell > you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why > nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a > disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That > being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not > mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your > test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of > course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being > said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, > that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the > classroom. > > HTH, > Karl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability > Services > > Hi there, > > I am a community college student about to start another semester > of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking > away from using the disability services office at school because > of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices > and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to > go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on > what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and > the law if I choose not to go through disability services and > give my professors the official letter requiring their > compliance. > > Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information > on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably > if I do not go through disability services and give them an > official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? > I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide > me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter > from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there > is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and > especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. > > I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in > the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through > the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center > and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not > prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the > testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a > disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting > while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the > same environment in which they learn the information which has > been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve > the information they learned in that environment, and I have > known some people who have talk to the professors and been able > to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want > to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I > know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not > know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on > this particular factor. > > If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful > information or connect me with somebody who may have that > information, I would be incredibly grateful. > > Thank you! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not > the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we > raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations > create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can > live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Dec 19 16:45:52 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 10:45:52 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites Message-ID: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> Good morning, friends, I will be studying abroad in Denmark next semester, starting in January. Is there anyone on this mailing list who has studied abroad? What was the experience like for you? What challenges did you face, particularly when it came to your blindness? You can feel free to e-mail me off-list, or you can share with everyone on the list if you feeel others would benefit. While studying abroad, I would like to start a blog, and talk about my adventures. Does anyone know of some accessible blogging sites that you have had success with? Thank you so much! Kennedy Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 20:03:47 2016 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 14:03:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question In-Reply-To: <04CF0747-7200-4C6D-8FC5-E811355568D7@gmail.com> References: <04CF0747-7200-4C6D-8FC5-E811355568D7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BA61364-827B-4F4B-8552-A4437913CCD8@gmail.com> Vejas, Since I didn’t see an answer to this thread, I thought I would reply. You will need to set your Braille Display to display in UEB. The files themselves cannot be downloaded in UEB. > On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Does anyone know if there is a setting on Bookshare that allows you to download books in UEB format? > Thanks, > Vejas > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From misokwak12 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 20:11:10 2016 From: misokwak12 at gmail.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 12:11:10 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites In-Reply-To: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> References: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> Message-ID: <54655343-85C5-46C8-B4F9-451091062C0A@gmail.com> How exciting! Have you checked out www.miusa.org ? As for blogging platform, word press is pretty accessible. --Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Good morning, friends, > > I will be studying abroad in Denmark next semester, starting in January. Is there anyone on this mailing list who has studied abroad? What was the experience like for you? What challenges did you face, particularly when it came to your blindness? You can feel free to e-mail me off-list, or you can share with everyone on the list if you feeel others would benefit. > > While studying abroad, I would like to start a blog, and talk about my adventures. Does anyone know of some accessible blogging sites that you have had success with? > > Thank you so much! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com From jameyanne at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 22:20:57 2016 From: jameyanne at gmail.com (Jameyanne Fuller) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:20:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites In-Reply-To: <54655343-85C5-46C8-B4F9-451091062C0A@gmail.com> References: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> <54655343-85C5-46C8-B4F9-451091062C0A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <007001d25a46$2c32c120$84984360$@gmail.com> Hi Kenedy, Definitely check out Mobility International USA. I didn't know they existed before I went abroad, and everything I've read about them since indicates that they're really helpful. The biggest problem I had in rural Italy is I faced a lot of discrimination. People were very unwilling to let me enter shops or restaurants with my dog, even though Italy has access laws like the ADA. People were also generally angry at my nerve to live independently so far from home. Obviously this is not true of all European countries though, so you may not have this problem. And I second the recommendation about wordpress. It's free and very good. Feel free to email me off list if you have other questions about either studying abroad or blogging. Best, Jameyanne -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via NABS-L Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Miso Kwak Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites How exciting! Have you checked out www.miusa.org ? As for blogging platform, word press is pretty accessible. --Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L wrote: > > > > Good morning, friends, > > I will be studying abroad in Denmark next semester, starting in January. Is there anyone on this mailing list who has studied abroad? What was the experience like for you? What challenges did you face, particularly when it came to your blindness? You can feel free to e-mail me off-list, or you can share with everyone on the list if you feeel others would benefit. > > While studying abroad, I would like to start a blog, and talk about my adventures. Does anyone know of some accessible blogging sites that you have had success with? > > Thank you so much! > Kennedy > > Kennedy Stomberg > (218)295-2391 > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 23:36:53 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:36:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Ellana, I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of your education by exploring a different way of getting things done when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask professors clarification questions just like any other student during a test. The short answer to your question is that many professors will accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to check with professors or department heads first. Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to it. Best, Arielle On 12/19/16, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: > I agree what being said. > If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. > If you haven't seen this, please have a look. > https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education > > > 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L > : >> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >> classroom. >> >> HTH, >> Karl >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L > To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >> Services >> >> Hi there, >> >> I am a community college student about to start another semester >> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >> away from using the disability services office at school because >> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >> give my professors the official letter requiring their >> compliance. >> >> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >> >> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >> same environment in which they learn the information which has >> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >> this particular factor. >> >> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >> >> Thank you! >> >> Ellana Crew, Vice President >> Maryland Association of Blind Students >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Dec 19 23:39:59 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:39:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Again, most of the policies described above are intended to protect students with hidden disabilities from being outed to their professors. If you have a visible disability like blindness and are willing to disclose it, however, this matter of anonymity is no longer a problem. Arielle On 12/19/16, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Ellana, > I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of > your education by exploring a different way of getting things done > when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I > was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my > tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability > office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was > simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask > professors clarification questions just like any other student during > a test. > The short answer to your question is that many professors will > accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you > will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything > drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's > professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at > your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies > about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters > are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health > disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In > the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid > that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, > the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to > check with professors or department heads first. > Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get > your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You > could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say > that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your > tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a > reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. > My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will > usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. > Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them > as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to > accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to > it. > > Best, Arielle > > On 12/19/16, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: >> I agree what being said. >> If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. >> If you haven't seen this, please have a look. >> https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education >> >> >> 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >> : >>> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >>> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >>> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >>> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >>> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >>> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >>> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >>> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >>> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >>> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >>> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >>> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >>> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >>> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >>> classroom. >>> >>> HTH, >>> Karl >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L >> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >>> Services >>> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I am a community college student about to start another semester >>> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >>> away from using the disability services office at school because >>> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >>> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >>> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >>> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >>> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >>> give my professors the official letter requiring their >>> compliance. >>> >>> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >>> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >>> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >>> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >>> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >>> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >>> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >>> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >>> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >>> >>> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >>> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >>> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >>> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >>> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >>> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >>> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >>> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >>> same environment in which they learn the information which has >>> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >>> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >>> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >>> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >>> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >>> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >>> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >>> this particular factor. >>> >>> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >>> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >>> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >>> >>> Thank you! >>> >>> Ellana Crew, Vice President >>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>> >>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > From kskristen at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 00:35:23 2016 From: kskristen at gmail.com (Kristen Steele) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 18:35:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare Question In-Reply-To: <0BA61364-827B-4F4B-8552-A4437913CCD8@gmail.com> References: <04CF0747-7200-4C6D-8FC5-E811355568D7@gmail.com> <0BA61364-827B-4F4B-8552-A4437913CCD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Vejas-- This setting can be changed on Bookshare. The Braille code in which BRF files are displayed depends on how they were transcribed by their source. Even when I switched my Apex to read in UEB, some BRFs were still in EBAE because they were created that way. The BrailleNote only displays the dot combinations for these files and does not translate them itself, which is why I can write notes in Grade 3 Braille. >From Bookshare, click "My Account," then "Edit Preferences." Under the heading "BRF Size and Format," select Grade 2 UEB from the combo box. HTH, -- Kristen On 12/19/16, Aleeha Dudley via NABS-L wrote: > Vejas, > Since I didn’t see an answer to this thread, I thought I would reply. You > will need to set your Braille Display to display in UEB. The files > themselves cannot be downloaded in UEB. >> On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:43 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> Does anyone know if there is a setting on Bookshare that allows you to >> download books in UEB format? >> Thanks, >> Vejas >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kskristen%40gmail.com > From eemcrew at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 13:15:00 2016 From: eemcrew at gmail.com (Ellana Crew) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 08:15:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: References: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9B3A8808-B64A-4544-9456-BBB29960EBC6@gmail.com> Arielle, Thank you, this is been extremely helpful information. I do in fact carry a long white cane and have no difficulties with disclosing my disability, so it's nice to know that this part should not cause much of a problem. I have been hoping that this should not be a very difficult thing to do, especially as my method of working is very simple and universal and only really centered on having access to everything in an accessible digital format on my computer without anything else such as large print, braille, or extra time being needed. Do you know, however, if the teachers are still obligated by any kind of law or policy to grant me accommodations I request from them if I do not go through disability services and do choose to disclose my disability to them? My primary concern is the possibility of encountering a professor who refuses to work with me without that letter and them being in the legal right, or concerns that granting me accommodations without that letter could get the teacher into some sort of trouble or violation of the law or policy. Of course, if the professor does refuse without that letter I am certainly fine with operating on a case-by-case basis and giving them the letter and working that way at least for that particular class, but I would also like to know if they are legally allowed to refuse without the letter or what the professors are allowed and not allowed to do or authorize accommodation wise without that official letter. I don't believe they would likely have any restrictions as far as classroom accommodations, but when it comes to testing, given the nature of tests, I worry that they may not be allowed to make that call on their own when my method of testing involves using a computer because of rules to prevent cheating and such. Do you perhaps know anything about this, or know anybody else you could refer me to that does? Thank you again! Ellana Crew, Vice President Maryland Association of Blind Students The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > On Dec 19, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: > > Again, most of the policies described above are intended to protect > students with hidden disabilities from being outed to their > professors. If you have a visible disability like blindness and are > willing to disclose it, however, this matter of anonymity is no longer > a problem. > Arielle > >> On 12/19/16, Arielle Silverman wrote: >> Hi Ellana, >> I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of >> your education by exploring a different way of getting things done >> when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I >> was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my >> tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability >> office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was >> simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask >> professors clarification questions just like any other student during >> a test. >> The short answer to your question is that many professors will >> accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you >> will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything >> drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's >> professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at >> your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies >> about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters >> are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health >> disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In >> the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid >> that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, >> the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to >> check with professors or department heads first. >> Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get >> your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You >> could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say >> that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your >> tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a >> reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. >> My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will >> usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. >> Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them >> as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to >> accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to >> it. >> >> Best, Arielle >> >>> On 12/19/16, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: >>> I agree what being said. >>> If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. >>> If you haven't seen this, please have a look. >>> https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education >>> >>> >>> 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>> : >>>> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >>>> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >>>> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >>>> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >>>> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >>>> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >>>> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >>>> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >>>> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >>>> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >>>> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >>>> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >>>> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >>>> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >>>> classroom. >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L >>> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >>>> Services >>>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I am a community college student about to start another semester >>>> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >>>> away from using the disability services office at school because >>>> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >>>> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >>>> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >>>> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >>>> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >>>> give my professors the official letter requiring their >>>> compliance. >>>> >>>> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >>>> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >>>> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >>>> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >>>> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >>>> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >>>> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >>>> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >>>> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >>>> >>>> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >>>> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >>>> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >>>> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >>>> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >>>> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >>>> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >>>> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >>>> same environment in which they learn the information which has >>>> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >>>> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >>>> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >>>> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >>>> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >>>> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >>>> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >>>> this particular factor. >>>> >>>> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >>>> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >>>> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >>>> >>>> Thank you! >>>> >>>> Ellana Crew, Vice President >>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>> >>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >>>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >>>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 22:18:14 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:18:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services In-Reply-To: <9B3A8808-B64A-4544-9456-BBB29960EBC6@gmail.com> References: <5856fa12.c830c80a.62f89.8a9a@mx.google.com> <9B3A8808-B64A-4544-9456-BBB29960EBC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Ellana. I'm not as knowledgeable about the details of the law as some of the others on this list. I definitely think rules could vary from school to school. It might be good to find out if your school has a written policy on disability accommodations or alternative testing procedures somewhere. If they do, and the policy allows the student to make alternative testing arrangements more freely, you could appeal to that policy if any professors are resistant. Some schools put policies like this on their website. If yours doesn't, it might be best to try to speak with a dean or department head to find out what their policy is. If you are comfortable, you could also try just telling the staff at your disability office that you would like to explore other testing procedures (with the professor directly) and you just want to know if other students have done it this way. If they say no, you could still explore the option with professors directly, but if they say yes, then they might be willing to help ensure that you are permitted to take tests in your preferred format (in the classroom). My guess is that professors won't get in trouble for accommodating you in a way that you and they agree to mutually, but it's possible that a few professors might be worried about testing integrity and so might want you to test using equipment that's not your personal computer or notetaker. As you mentioned, if only a few professors have this worry, you can work with them on a case-by-case basis. Best, Arielle On 12/20/16, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: > Arielle, > > Thank you, this is been extremely helpful information. I do in fact carry a > long white cane and have no difficulties with disclosing my disability, so > it's nice to know that this part should not cause much of a problem. I have > been hoping that this should not be a very difficult thing to do, especially > as my method of working is very simple and universal and only really > centered on having access to everything in an accessible digital format on > my computer without anything else such as large print, braille, or extra > time being needed. Do you know, however, if the teachers are still obligated > by any kind of law or policy to grant me accommodations I request from them > if I do not go through disability services and do choose to disclose my > disability to them? My primary concern is the possibility of encountering a > professor who refuses to work with me without that letter and them being in > the legal right, or concerns that granting me accommodations without that > letter could get the teacher into some sort of trouble or violation of the > law or policy. Of course, if the professor does refuse without that letter I > am certainly fine with operating on a case-by-case basis and giving them the > letter and working that way at least for that particular class, but I would > also like to know if they are legally allowed to refuse without the letter > or what the professors are allowed and not allowed to do or authorize > accommodation wise without that official letter. I don't believe they would > likely have any restrictions as far as classroom accommodations, but when it > comes to testing, given the nature of tests, I worry that they may not be > allowed to make that call on their own when my method of testing involves > using a computer because of rules to prevent cheating and such. Do you > perhaps know anything about this, or know anybody else you could refer me to > that does? > > Thank you again! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; > blindness is not what holds you back. > >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> Again, most of the policies described above are intended to protect >> students with hidden disabilities from being outed to their >> professors. If you have a visible disability like blindness and are >> willing to disclose it, however, this matter of anonymity is no longer >> a problem. >> Arielle >> >>> On 12/19/16, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Ellana, >>> I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of >>> your education by exploring a different way of getting things done >>> when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I >>> was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my >>> tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability >>> office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was >>> simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask >>> professors clarification questions just like any other student during >>> a test. >>> The short answer to your question is that many professors will >>> accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you >>> will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything >>> drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's >>> professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at >>> your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies >>> about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters >>> are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health >>> disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In >>> the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid >>> that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, >>> the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to >>> check with professors or department heads first. >>> Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get >>> your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You >>> could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say >>> that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your >>> tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a >>> reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. >>> My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will >>> usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. >>> Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them >>> as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to >>> accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to >>> it. >>> >>> Best, Arielle >>> >>>> On 12/19/16, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: >>>> I agree what being said. >>>> If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. >>>> If you haven't seen this, please have a look. >>>> https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education >>>> >>>> >>>> 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>>> : >>>>> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >>>>> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >>>>> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >>>>> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >>>>> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >>>>> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >>>>> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >>>>> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >>>>> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >>>>> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >>>>> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >>>>> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >>>>> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >>>>> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >>>>> classroom. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L >>>> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >>>>> Services >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I am a community college student about to start another semester >>>>> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >>>>> away from using the disability services office at school because >>>>> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >>>>> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >>>>> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >>>>> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >>>>> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >>>>> give my professors the official letter requiring their >>>>> compliance. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >>>>> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >>>>> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >>>>> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >>>>> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >>>>> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >>>>> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >>>>> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >>>>> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >>>>> >>>>> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >>>>> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >>>>> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >>>>> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >>>>> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >>>>> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >>>>> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >>>>> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >>>>> same environment in which they learn the information which has >>>>> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >>>>> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >>>>> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >>>>> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >>>>> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >>>>> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >>>>> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >>>>> this particular factor. >>>>> >>>>> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >>>>> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >>>>> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Ellana Crew, Vice President >>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >>>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >>>>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >>>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >>>>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From rob.parso3389 at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:55:56 2016 From: rob.parso3389 at gmail.com (Robert Parsons ) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 08:55:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] VABS Conference Call: National Scholarship Message-ID: <004901d25b91$f4467750$dcd365f0$@gmail.com> Greetings Federation Family and Students As holidays and the breaks associated with them approach, I am sure that excitement is very high to enjoy a well-deserved release from the pressures of high school, college, or training. I can honestly say that I feel the same way, however, I do know how quickly after the New Year's holiday that school resumes and we as students are back to regularly scheduled programming. For these reasons, the Virginia Association of Blind Students, VABS, are keeping that notion at the forefront of our minds and have planned a very important conference call for all students, federation members that are thinking about college, and family members of college students. Our January conference call will contain all necessitated information that is included in business meetings like reports on the treasury, event plans for the future, and upcoming fundraising; but it will also have a very special segment on the NFB national college scholarship that is awarded at our National Convention each year. These awards, ranging from $3000 to $12000, are competitively attained by blind college students all across the country that display equal parts merit, determination to succeed, and practice of the NFB philosophy. To join us on this call with deadline information and tips, we will have a national representative from Utah, Mr. Everett Bacon, as well as an anecdote from this year's Virginia winner and our Secretary, Ms. Sharon Jose. Please feel free to call in if you have any questions about how the process works or would like to understand what it takes to be considered for one of these prestigious awards. The January 2017 conference call for the Virginia association of Blind Students is on Thursday, January 5 at 7pm. The call in credentials is 641 715 3655. The access code is 568305. I look forward to hearing you all on the call. Warm Wishes Robert E. Parsons Jr. President, Virginia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 13:57:02 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 08:57:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01d501d25b92$1baed080$530c7180$@gmail.com> Elif and all, We will definitely continue advertising committee calls on the mailing list. Thanks so much for all the work you are doing. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting I do not think I'm going to make it I am in another time zone Sorry Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Everyone! > The time has arrived once more for another call! The National Association of blind Student’s legislative committee will be meeting tonight, 12/18 at 9 P.M Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your convenience. > Dial number: (605) 475-6700 > Access Code: 7869673 > Hope to see many of you there! Getting ready for Washington Seminar, this call is going to be jam packed and lots of fun! > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun, Secretary > National Association of Blind Students > > National Association of Blind Students Legislative Committee Agenda > (1) Meeting called to order > (2) Introductions > (3) • AIM-HEA > (4) o What it is > (5) o Our role > (6) o Letters > (7)  Student testimonials > (8)  University support > (9)  SGA Support > (10) • Washington Seminar > (11) o When is it > (12) o What is it > (13) • Updates > (14) • Questions and comments. > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gma > il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nabs.president%40gmail.com From aec732 at msn.com Wed Dec 21 14:46:15 2016 From: aec732 at msn.com (Annemarie) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 14:46:15 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS-L Digest, Vol 122, Issue 19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It depends what the schools policy is. The disability services office is usually the gate keeper so the school can maintain some sort of consistency of accommodations and proof of disability by students. Check and see what your school's policy is. Thanks, Annemarie Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 7:01 AM, "nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org" wrote: > > Send NABS-L mailing list submissions to > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > nabs-l-owner at nfbnet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of NABS-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services > (Ellana Crew) > 2. Re: Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability Services > (Arielle Silverman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 08:15:00 -0500 > From: Ellana Crew > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability > Services > Message-ID: <9B3A8808-B64A-4544-9456-BBB29960EBC6 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Arielle, > > Thank you, this is been extremely helpful information. I do in fact carry a long white cane and have no difficulties with disclosing my disability, so it's nice to know that this part should not cause much of a problem. I have been hoping that this should not be a very difficult thing to do, especially as my method of working is very simple and universal and only really centered on having access to everything in an accessible digital format on my computer without anything else such as large print, braille, or extra time being needed. Do you know, however, if the teachers are still obligated by any kind of law or policy to grant me accommodations I request from them if I do not go through disability services and do choose to disclose my disability to them? My primary concern is the possibility of encountering a professor who refuses to work with me without that letter and them being in the legal right, or concerns that granting me accommodations without that letter could get the teacher into some sort of trouble or violation of the law or policy. Of course, if the professor does refuse without that letter I am certainly fine with operating on a case-by-case basis and giving them the letter and working that way at least for that particular class, but I would also like to know if they are legally allowed to refuse without the letter or what the professors are allowed and not allowed to do or authorize accommodation wise without that official letter. I don't believe they would likely have any restrictions as far as classroom accommodations, but when it comes to testing, given the nature of tests, I worry that they may not be allowed to make that call on their own when my method of testing involves using a computer because of rules to prevent cheating and such. Do you perhaps know anything about this, or know anybody else you could refer me to that does? > > Thank you again! > > Ellana Crew, Vice President > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Again, most of the policies described above are intended to protect >> students with hidden disabilities from being outed to their >> professors. If you have a visible disability like blindness and are >> willing to disclose it, however, this matter of anonymity is no longer >> a problem. >> Arielle >> >>> On 12/19/16, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>> Hi Ellana, >>> I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of >>> your education by exploring a different way of getting things done >>> when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I >>> was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my >>> tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability >>> office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was >>> simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask >>> professors clarification questions just like any other student during >>> a test. >>> The short answer to your question is that many professors will >>> accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you >>> will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything >>> drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's >>> professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at >>> your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies >>> about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters >>> are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health >>> disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In >>> the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid >>> that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, >>> the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to >>> check with professors or department heads first. >>> Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get >>> your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You >>> could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say >>> that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your >>> tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a >>> reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. >>> My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will >>> usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. >>> Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them >>> as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to >>> accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to >>> it. >>> >>> Best, Arielle >>> >>>> On 12/19/16, Elif Emir ?ks?z via NABS-L wrote: >>>> I agree what being said. >>>> If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. >>>> If you haven't seen this, please have a look. >>>> https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education >>>> >>>> >>>> 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>>> : >>>>> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >>>>> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >>>>> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >>>>> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >>>>> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >>>>> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >>>>> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >>>>> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >>>>> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >>>>> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >>>>> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >>>>> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >>>>> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >>>>> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >>>>> classroom. >>>>> >>>>> HTH, >>>>> Karl >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L >>>> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >>>>> Services >>>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I am a community college student about to start another semester >>>>> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >>>>> away from using the disability services office at school because >>>>> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >>>>> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >>>>> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >>>>> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >>>>> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >>>>> give my professors the official letter requiring their >>>>> compliance. >>>>> >>>>> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >>>>> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >>>>> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >>>>> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >>>>> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >>>>> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >>>>> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >>>>> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >>>>> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >>>>> >>>>> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >>>>> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >>>>> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >>>>> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >>>>> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >>>>> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >>>>> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >>>>> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >>>>> same environment in which they learn the information which has >>>>> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >>>>> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >>>>> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >>>>> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >>>>> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >>>>> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >>>>> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >>>>> this particular factor. >>>>> >>>>> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >>>>> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >>>>> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you! >>>>> >>>>> Ellana Crew, Vice President >>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>>> >>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >>>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >>>>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >>>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >>>>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 17:18:14 -0500 > From: Arielle Silverman > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability > Services > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hi Ellana. I'm not as knowledgeable about the details of the law as > some of the others on this list. I definitely think rules could vary > from school to school. It might be good to find out if your school has > a written policy on disability accommodations or alternative testing > procedures somewhere. If they do, and the policy allows the student to > make alternative testing arrangements more freely, you could appeal to > that policy if any professors are resistant. > Some schools put policies like this on their website. If yours > doesn't, it might be best to try to speak with a dean or department > head to find out what their policy is. > If you are comfortable, you could also try just telling the staff at > your disability office that you would like to explore other testing > procedures (with the professor directly) and you just want to know if > other students have done it this way. If they say no, you could still > explore the option with professors directly, but if they say yes, then > they might be willing to help ensure that you are permitted to take > tests in your preferred format (in the classroom). > My guess is that professors won't get in trouble for accommodating you > in a way that you and they agree to mutually, but it's possible that a > few professors might be worried about testing integrity and so might > want you to test using equipment that's not your personal computer or > notetaker. As you mentioned, if only a few professors have this worry, > you can work with them on a case-by-case basis. > Best, Arielle > >> On 12/20/16, Ellana Crew via NABS-L wrote: >> Arielle, >> >> Thank you, this is been extremely helpful information. I do in fact carry a >> long white cane and have no difficulties with disclosing my disability, so >> it's nice to know that this part should not cause much of a problem. I have >> been hoping that this should not be a very difficult thing to do, especially >> as my method of working is very simple and universal and only really >> centered on having access to everything in an accessible digital format on >> my computer without anything else such as large print, braille, or extra >> time being needed. Do you know, however, if the teachers are still obligated >> by any kind of law or policy to grant me accommodations I request from them >> if I do not go through disability services and do choose to disclose my >> disability to them? My primary concern is the possibility of encountering a >> professor who refuses to work with me without that letter and them being in >> the legal right, or concerns that granting me accommodations without that >> letter could get the teacher into some sort of trouble or violation of the >> law or policy. Of course, if the professor does refuse without that letter I >> am certainly fine with operating on a case-by-case basis and giving them the >> letter and working that way at least for that particular class, but I would >> also like to know if they are legally allowed to refuse without the letter >> or what the professors are allowed and not allowed to do or authorize >> accommodation wise without that official letter. I don't believe they would >> likely have any restrictions as far as classroom accommodations, but when it >> comes to testing, given the nature of tests, I worry that they may not be >> allowed to make that call on their own when my method of testing involves >> using a computer because of rules to prevent cheating and such. Do you >> perhaps know anything about this, or know anybody else you could refer me to >> that does? >> >> Thank you again! >> >> Ellana Crew, Vice President >> Maryland Association of Blind Students >> >> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the >> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles >> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; >> blindness is not what holds you back. >> >>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Arielle Silverman via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> Again, most of the policies described above are intended to protect >>> students with hidden disabilities from being outed to their >>> professors. If you have a visible disability like blindness and are >>> willing to disclose it, however, this matter of anonymity is no longer >>> a problem. >>> Arielle >>> >>>> On 12/19/16, Arielle Silverman wrote: >>>> Hi Ellana, >>>> I firstly just want to commend you for being willing to take charge of >>>> your education by exploring a different way of getting things done >>>> when the disability services office is less than satisfactory. When I >>>> was in college, I decided midway through my degree to start taking my >>>> tests directly with professors instead of working with the disability >>>> office, for several reasons, but mainly because this process was >>>> simpler and less prone to error. I also liked that I could ask >>>> professors clarification questions just like any other student during >>>> a test. >>>> The short answer to your question is that many professors will >>>> accommodate you without the disability office's involvement, but you >>>> will want to check with them and be sure before you do anything >>>> drastic. If you are unable to get in touch with next semester's >>>> professors yet, you might consult an advisor or department head at >>>> your college to see if they have any formal requirements or policies >>>> about DSS involvement or use of accommodation letters. These letters >>>> are mainly necessary for people with invisible learning or health >>>> disabilities to prove that the disability is verified by a doctor. In >>>> the case of blindness, as long as you use a cane or other mobility aid >>>> that's visible, that proof thing shouldn't be an issue. Again, though, >>>> the culture may vary from school to school, so it would be good to >>>> check with professors or department heads first. >>>> Another option you might consider is to register with the DSS and get >>>> your letter, but just not ask for any testing accommodations. You >>>> could then go to your professor, show him or her the letter, and say >>>> that you have decided it would be easier for all involved to take your >>>> tests in the classroom on the computer, using the professor as a >>>> reader, or any other accommodation plans you have come up with. >>>> My experience, at least at university, has been that professors will >>>> usually agree to the accommodations that's the least work for them. >>>> Working with disability services can be as big of a nuisance for them >>>> as it is for us, so if we can offer professors an easier way to >>>> accommodate without all the extra hassle, they will usually agree to >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Best, Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 12/19/16, Elif Emir ?ks?z via NABS-L wrote: >>>>> I agree what being said. >>>>> If you decide to talk to DSO, this may help you. >>>>> If you haven't seen this, please have a look. >>>>> https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2016-12-18 16:04 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L >>>>> : >>>>>> You have to go through DSS if you want accommodations. This is >>>>>> because its the job of DSS to verify that you have a disability >>>>>> and that the accommodation in question is reasonable for that >>>>>> disability. So if you ask a professor for an accommodation, what >>>>>> they will do (if they do what they're supposed to do) is to tell >>>>>> you to get a letter from DSS and get back to them. (This is why >>>>>> nearly every syllabus includes a line saying if you have a >>>>>> disability contact the DSS to arrange accommodations.) That >>>>>> being said, just because you get accommodations from DSS does not >>>>>> mean that you can't take tests in the classroom. Taking your >>>>>> test in the testing center is an accommodation, and you, of >>>>>> course, don't have to accept that accommodation. That being >>>>>> said, if you want accommodations like extra time or a reader, >>>>>> that isn't really compatible with taking your test in the >>>>>> classroom. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Karl >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Ellana Crew via NABS-L >>>>> To: NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 13:03:51 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accommodation Rights and Not Using Disability >>>>>> Services >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a community college student about to start another semester >>>>>> of classes, but more recently, I have been thinking of breaking >>>>>> away from using the disability services office at school because >>>>>> of all of the troubles I have had in the past with DSS offices >>>>>> and mixups and failures on their end. However, before I decide to >>>>>> go through with this, I'd like to have some more information on >>>>>> what exactly I'm entitled to still as far as accommodations and >>>>>> the law if I choose not to go through disability services and >>>>>> give my professors the official letter requiring their >>>>>> compliance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there anybody who may be able to give me a little information >>>>>> on if professors are still required to accommodate me reasonably >>>>>> if I do not go through disability services and give them an >>>>>> official letter from them, especially in regards to test taking? >>>>>> I am concerned that perhaps they may not be obligated to provide >>>>>> me any sort of accommodation at all without an official letter >>>>>> from disability services requiring them to, or that perhaps there >>>>>> is a limit on how much they are allowed to grant me, and >>>>>> especially if that limit is when it comes to tests. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am particularly interested in being able to take my tests in >>>>>> the classroom with the rest of the class instead of going through >>>>>> the hassle of coordinating a scheduled time in the testing center >>>>>> and dealing with more failures to properly prepare my test or not >>>>>> prepare my test in time for the scheduled appointment in the >>>>>> testing center, and being forced to automatically be at a >>>>>> disadvantage by having to take my test in a different setting >>>>>> while the rest of the class is able to take their test in the >>>>>> same environment in which they learn the information which has >>>>>> been proven many times to improve the persons ability to retrieve >>>>>> the information they learned in that environment, and I have >>>>>> known some people who have talk to the professors and been able >>>>>> to take their tests in their classrooms in this way, but I want >>>>>> to be sure that I would not be in violation of anything in that I >>>>>> know my rights when it comes to this if my professor does not >>>>>> know themselves if it is OK or is hesitant to work with me on >>>>>> this particular factor. >>>>>> >>>>>> If there is anybody here who may be able to give me some useful >>>>>> information or connect me with somebody who may have that >>>>>> information, I would be incredibly grateful. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ellana Crew, Vice President >>>>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students >>>>>> >>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not >>>>>> the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we >>>>>> raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations >>>>>> create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can >>>>>> live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> NABS-L: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> NABS-L: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/eemcrew%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of NABS-L Digest, Vol 122, Issue 19 > *************************************** From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Wed Dec 21 17:21:02 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:21:02 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting your response Message-ID: <718D23A2-FE73-47B5-A7F6-E322DD67A9C5@mainex1.asu.edu> Hello NABS, I was asked to pass on a message requesting your feedback. Please take a minute to read the below message and contact Deepa Goraya at the inclosed email. Thank you for your time. As you may remember, the Washington Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights filed a class action lawsuit in the Northern District of Texas against Barbri, Inc. on behalf of a putative class of blind students. The lawsuit, Stanley, et al. v. Barbri, Inc., Civil Action No. 16-cv-01113-BK, concerns accessibility of the Barbri bar review website and mobile application, which are not fully accessible to talking screen readers, making it difficult to get access to all the study tools and course materials. Additionally, the materials provided in alternate formats are often not delivered on time and are not complete. Briefing is complete on Barbri’s motion to dismiss, and we are entering the discovery phase. Our motion for class certification will be due in February. In advance of that motion, we would like to hear from people who have been impacted by Barbri’s inaccessibility. If anyone who is legally blind has either taken Barbri between April of 2014 and the present, wanted to take Barbri between April of 2014 and the present but was deterred because you knew they were not accessible, or is currently taking or planning to take Barbri, please get in touch with me. You can email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org or call me at 202-319-1000 and ask for Deepa Goraya. DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | Staff Attorney, Disability Rights Project Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Wed Dec 21 17:16:26 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:16:26 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting In-Reply-To: <01d501d25b92$1baed080$530c7180$@gmail.com> References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B23705AC0@UBOX1.unr.edu> <539D66E7-3425-488D-A905-9A5D2642D8BB@gmail.com> <01d501d25b92$1baed080$530c7180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6D95004F-01A3-44DD-9BE5-8E6FE577E567@mainex1.asu.edu> Again what would you like me to do about this? I have tried and tried to get the committee chairs to get me their updates and they all refuse and say they want to do it themselves. Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila On Dec 21, 2016, at 6:57 AM, Kathryn Webster, NABS President via NABS-L > wrote: Elif and all, We will definitely continue advertising committee calls on the mailing list. Thanks so much for all the work you are doing. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:01 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Legislative Committee meeting I do not think I'm going to make it I am in another time zone Sorry Emma Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Michael D Ausbun via NABS-L > wrote: Hello Everyone! The time has arrived once more for another call! The National Association of blind Student’s legislative committee will be meeting tonight, 12/18 at 9 P.M Eastern. The agenda is pasted below for your convenience. Dial number: (605) 475-6700 Access Code: 7869673 Hope to see many of you there! Getting ready for Washington Seminar, this call is going to be jam packed and lots of fun! Respectfully, Michael Ausbun, Secretary National Association of Blind Students National Association of Blind Students Legislative Committee Agenda (1) Meeting called to order (2) Introductions (3) • AIM-HEA (4) o What it is (5) o Our role (6) o Letters (7)  Student testimonials (8)  University support (9)  SGA Support (10) • Washington Seminar (11) o When is it (12) o What is it (13) • Updates (14) • Questions and comments. _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=t72q5_mQybtWwyk8l7FUG7CV3sUiuAa2vhEX-qqHMDc&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org_emitchell927-2540gma&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=d8SrZ2VuEGvqyk1VlVEOi-aiz6q1UjbYtPyAEuVIaws&e= il.com _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=t72q5_mQybtWwyk8l7FUG7CV3sUiuAa2vhEX-qqHMDc&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org_nabs.president-2540gmail.com&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=d0v7QoOfLHabvzJOZmNFYXR6AHrHXj6xpRUqy1Fta1M&e= _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_listinfo_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=t72q5_mQybtWwyk8l7FUG7CV3sUiuAa2vhEX-qqHMDc&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__nfbnet.org_mailman_options_nabs-2Dl-5Fnfbnet.org_bjduarte-2540asu.edu&d=DQIGaQ&c=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU&r=5dCABYJ5CxvQOBhyYB2Rbvx93pYuHZ0o8bUuY2oCLno&m=OaT_Jb9YB0GmHU3Me-fBFRSGE08fEg4HaXMyRQu2FEE&s=Xb9lMd8BOq7bpVnftc3y1jLmowOog7z0d5-pvxooeEs&e= From filerime at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 20:22:28 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:22:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites In-Reply-To: <007001d25a46$2c32c120$84984360$@gmail.com> References: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> <54655343-85C5-46C8-B4F9-451091062C0A@gmail.com> <007001d25a46$2c32c120$84984360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Keneddy and all, Although it is little bit different than what you are asking, I am currently studying abroad here in the United States. Cultural adoptation, knowing health and education system, language, food and accessible materials can be challenging. I find pretty useful to contact blind people especially students who are living in that country. I learned a lot from my NFB friends about how the system works here in terms of blind life. Beyond this, NFB provides me a various group of friends that I probably would not have as just a student. If you want to hear more, please contact me, so we can skype or call each other. It sounds exciting. Good luck. 2016-12-19 17:20 GMT-05:00, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L : > Hi Kenedy, > Definitely check out Mobility International USA. I didn't know they existed > before I went abroad, and everything I've read about them since indicates > that they're really helpful. The biggest problem I had in rural Italy is I > faced a lot of discrimination. People were very unwilling to let me enter > shops or restaurants with my dog, even though Italy has access laws like > the > ADA. People were also generally angry at my nerve to live independently so > far from home. Obviously this is not true of all European countries though, > so you may not have this problem. > And I second the recommendation about wordpress. It's free and very good. > Feel free to email me off list if you have other questions about either > studying abroad or blogging. > Best, > Jameyanne > > -----Original Message----- > From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via > NABS-L > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Miso Kwak > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites > > How exciting! > Have you checked out www.miusa.org ? > As for blogging platform, word press is pretty accessible. > --Miso > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L > wrote: >> >> >> >> Good morning, friends, >> >> I will be studying abroad in Denmark next semester, starting in January. > Is there anyone on this mailing list who has studied abroad? What was the > experience like for you? What challenges did you face, particularly when it > came to your blindness? You can feel free to e-mail me off-list, or you can > share with everyone on the list if you feeel others would benefit. >> >> While studying abroad, I would like to start a blog, and talk about my > adventures. Does anyone know of some accessible blogging sites that you > have > had success with? >> >> Thank you so much! >> Kennedy >> >> Kennedy Stomberg >> (218)295-2391 >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Dec 21 22:31:22 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (KENNEDY STOMBERG) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:31:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites In-Reply-To: References: <9520B02E-0579-4971-A7B9-D766741B8702@coe.edu> <54655343-85C5-46C8-B4F9-451091062C0A@gmail.com> <007001d25a46$2c32c120$84984360$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <299C41B2-A88A-42FC-BA39-6361DDBFADDE@coe.edu> Thank you all for your amazing feedback! I will definitely check out Mobility International, and it sounds like WordPress is the way to go for blogging. Thank you again! You all rock! :) Kennedy Stomberg (218)295-2391 > On Dec 21, 2016, at 2:22 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello Keneddy and all, > Although it is little bit different than what you are asking, I am > currently studying abroad here in the United States. > Cultural adoptation, knowing health and education system, language, > food and accessible materials can be challenging. > I find pretty useful to contact blind people especially students who > are living in that country. > I learned a lot from my NFB friends about how the system works here in > terms of blind life. Beyond this, NFB provides me a various group of > friends that > I probably would not have as just a student. > If you want to hear more, please contact me, so we can skype or call each other. > It sounds exciting. Good luck. > > > > 2016-12-19 17:20 GMT-05:00, Jameyanne Fuller via NABS-L : >> Hi Kenedy, >> Definitely check out Mobility International USA. I didn't know they existed >> before I went abroad, and everything I've read about them since indicates >> that they're really helpful. The biggest problem I had in rural Italy is I >> faced a lot of discrimination. People were very unwilling to let me enter >> shops or restaurants with my dog, even though Italy has access laws like >> the >> ADA. People were also generally angry at my nerve to live independently so >> far from home. Obviously this is not true of all European countries though, >> so you may not have this problem. >> And I second the recommendation about wordpress. It's free and very good. >> Feel free to email me off list if you have other questions about either >> studying abroad or blogging. >> Best, >> Jameyanne >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Miso Kwak via >> NABS-L >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Miso Kwak >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Study-abroad and Accessible Blogging Sites >> >> How exciting! >> Have you checked out www.miusa.org ? >> As for blogging platform, word press is pretty accessible. >> --Miso >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:45 AM, KENNEDY STOMBERG via NABS-L >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good morning, friends, >>> >>> I will be studying abroad in Denmark next semester, starting in January. >> Is there anyone on this mailing list who has studied abroad? What was the >> experience like for you? What challenges did you face, particularly when it >> came to your blindness? You can feel free to e-mail me off-list, or you can >> share with everyone on the list if you feeel others would benefit. >>> >>> While studying abroad, I would like to start a blog, and talk about my >> adventures. Does anyone know of some accessible blogging sites that you >> have >> had success with? >>> >>> Thank you so much! >>> Kennedy >>> >>> Kennedy Stomberg >>> (218)295-2391 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/misokwak12%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jameyanne%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 03:47:19 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues Message-ID: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> Hi everyone, I need your help: Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. Emma From david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com Thu Dec 22 04:01:31 2016 From: david.thomas at davidthetechguy.com (David Thomas) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:01:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues In-Reply-To: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> References: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Here is a list of things I would attempt to use as justifications The braille writer will assist in learning braille so that you are competent when entering college. If you don't know braille like the back of your hand it will lead to poorer time use and possibly worse results in college courses due to the reliance of large print materials. (not sure what research you could back that up with, but I am sure somebody will point you to some) If your VR agency is funding your college education you could justify the brailler by explaining that the poor time use resulting from large print could be fixed by knowing braille. This would result in lower cost of education as the likely hood of needing to repeat a class wouldn't be as great as it would if you relied on large print. (You could use anecdotes from NFB members to help back you up) To justify the center I would find out what the government pays to fund the center in your state. I then would pick apart the program at your state's center , and explain how they can get a better bang for their buck if they send you to the center of your choosing. If you can't obtain the government's budget for the center in your state you can reach out to your NFB chapter president and ask if they can assist. If this doesn't work you could probably use the freedom of information laws to obtain this information. After you include the comparison of cost for the center I would then attempt to obtain the outcomes of graduates. For example 85% of Blind Inc.'s graduates move on to employment or higher education. Regards David Thomas -----Original Message----- From: NABS-L [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 9:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues Hi everyone, I need your help: Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. Emma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/david.thomas%40davidthetechguy.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 06:08:25 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 22:08:25 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues Message-ID: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Hi, By=20Braille=20writer,=20do=20you=20mean=20a=20Braille=20display=20or=20a=20= Perkins=20 Brailler?=20The=20Perkins=20is=20a=20manual=20typewriter=20that=20is=20typi= cally=20 used=20for=20math. Either=20way,=20they=20can't=20justify=20that=20you=20don't=20know=20enough= =20 Braille,=20because=20they=20are=20not=20you.=20=20You=20should=20point=20ou= t=20that=20if=20 you=20didn't=20have=20a=20Braille=20writer=20at=20all,=20there=20is=20no=20= way=20for=20you=20 to=20increase=20your=20Braille=20skills. Attending=20a=20training=20center=20would=20be=20a=20great=20idea=20before= =20you=20 start=20college.=20=20Although=20I=20have=20known=20Braille=20all=20my=20li= fe,=20I=20have=20 a=20few=20friends=20who=20did=20not=20know=20any=20before=20training,=20and= =20it=20has=20 helped=20them=20vastly. People=20may=20try=20to=20steer=20you=20towards=20their=20center.=20=20I=20= am=20an=20LCB=20 graduate=20but=20in=20reality=20they=20are=20all=20good.=20=20I=20chose=20L= CB=20because=20I=20 had=20had=20such=20a=20positive=20experience=20there=20as=20a=20buddy=20stu= dent.=20=20I=20 also=20know=20that=20they=20have=20great=20GED=20support=20should=20you=20w= ant=20to=20 take=20them.=20=20The=20training=20typically=20lasts=20from=206=20to=209=20= months.=20=20You=20 won't=20know=20until=20you=20have=20spent=20a=20long=20time=20there,=20how= =20much=20time=20 you=20will=20actually=20need. Do=20some=20research=20and=20have=20one=20training=20center=20in=20mind.=20= =20As=20David=20 said,=20you=20need=20to=20visit=20the=20training=20centers=20in=20your=20st= ate=20and=20 compare=20them,=20then=20write=20a=20justification.=20=20In=20my=20case,=20= the=20 California=20training=20centers=20actually=20ended=20up=20costing=20more=20= than=20 LCB=20would=20have. Different=20rehab=20counsellors=20will=20work=20differently.=20=20For=20exa= mple,=20 mine=20was=20very=20supportive=20but=20could=20only=20authorize=203=20month= s=20at=20a=20 time. HTH Vejas =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Emma=20Mitchell=20via=20NABS-L=20 References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <35C50CEA-FFE4-4EB2-AA7C-8174E93A45D2@gmail.com> For clarification I am in college already. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. > Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your Braille skills. > Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them vastly. > People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they have great GED support should you want to take them. The training typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent a long time there, how much time you will actually need. > Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. > Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. > HTH > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 > Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues > > Hi everyone, > I need your help: > > Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? > Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? > I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. > Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. > Emma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 06:30:53 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:30:53 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues In-Reply-To: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I mean Braille display. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. > Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your Braille skills. > Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them vastly. > People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they have great GED support should you want to take them. The training typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent a long time there, how much time you will actually need. > Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. > Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. > HTH > Vejas > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 > Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues > > Hi everyone, > I need your help: > > Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? > Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? > I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. > Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. > Emma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 07:20:07 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:20:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues In-Reply-To: References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: This might be a bit of a stretch, and I wouldn't normally recommend "playing victim" to rehab, but I presume you are reading large print. Emphasize to them the fact that looking at large print hurts your eyes and you cannot follow allong with your fellow students. I would even suggest testimonials from other blind students about how their use of large print was not feasible. Vejas > On Dec 21, 2016, at 22:30, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > I mean Braille display. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. >> Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your Braille skills. >> Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them vastly. >> People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they have great GED support should you want to take them. The training typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent a long time there, how much time you will actually need. >> Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. >> Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. >> HTH >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues >> >> Hi everyone, >> I need your help: >> >> Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? >> Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? >> I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. >> Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. >> Emma >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 07:22:32 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:22:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues In-Reply-To: References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Also, it is difficult to listen to a screen reader and a teacher at the same time. That is also not very feasible. Hopefully there is someone who can train you on your Braille display when you get it. Something that really helped some of my friends learning Braille was the Mc-Duffy Reader. It has the basic alphabet, and pages with words that rhyme with each other so you learn the contractions, such as chance and dance to learn the ance contraction dots 4 and 6 and dots 1 and 5. Vejas > On Dec 21, 2016, at 22:30, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > I mean Braille display. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi, >> By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. >> Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your Braille skills. >> Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them vastly. >> People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they have great GED support should you want to take them. The training typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent a long time there, how much time you will actually need. >> Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. >> Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. >> HTH >> Vejas >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues >> >> Hi everyone, >> I need your help: >> >> Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? >> Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? >> I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. >> Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. >> Emma >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Dec 22 19:21:03 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:21:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues In-Reply-To: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> References: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16F42C7346A746F784ED6CAD54B6BD94@OwnerPC> Emma, I'm glad you want to learn more braille. I cannot believe they would do this. You’re right that you can only learn braille with the equipment to practice. You absolutely need that braille writer. Not sure how I can write about justifying it as it seems so obvious. Denying you a braille writer is like denying a sighted person a pen or pencil. Beyond rediculous. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Emma Mitchell Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues Hi everyone, I need your help: Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. Emma _______________________________________________ NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From aachase1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 21:47:17 2016 From: aachase1 at gmail.com (Alan A. Chase) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 16:47:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] 2017 EYE Retreat Message-ID: Good afternoon, Join us for the 2017 EYE Retreat, our 9th annual summer program to support blind and visually impaired youth for college success. Applications for staff are now on our website and participant applications will be available by January 1. Our motto is simple. "I retreat from no challenge." The pronoun "I" speaks to our emphasis on the individual. Our research based programming focuses on peer mentoring, knowledge of community resources, and application of skills in real world settings. Want to volunteer or have a paid internship through your vocational rehabilitation office? We've hosted interns and volunteers for the past several years and its great work experience! Go to www.eyeretreat.org to check out our previous camp videos, pictures, and program materials. You may contact Alan Chase, Ed.S., President, at alan.chase at eyeretreat.org with questions. Have a great Holiday Season! *Alan A. Chase, Ed.S.* Exceptional Children Program Facilitator, Durham Public Schools President & Director, Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat From lakeria2009 at gmail.com Thu Dec 22 23:27:42 2016 From: lakeria2009 at gmail.com (Lakeria Taylor) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 17:27:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues In-Reply-To: <16F42C7346A746F784ED6CAD54B6BD94@OwnerPC> References: <3B2B4911-F9E6-4D5B-A690-DCDF4A401C4A@gmail.com> <16F42C7346A746F784ED6CAD54B6BD94@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <0F5F5ECD-E0D7-4837-830E-0DE11A17A197@gmail.com> Emma, From my understanding, each state has requirements for how fast that you should be reading Braille, and only a teacher or someone at a center or if you were in grade school, could evaluate you. Also, you need to read 60 words per minute. I would suggest that you sit out of school and attend an NFB center or get a local center help you learn Braille. They won't just buy you equipment because you can't use it, and practicing braille on state bought equipment is just not a great reason for you to get stuff. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2016, at 1:21 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Emma, > > I'm glad you want to learn more braille. I cannot believe they would do this. You’re right that you can only learn braille with the equipment to practice. > You absolutely need that braille writer. Not sure how I can write about justifying it as it seems so obvious. Denying you a braille writer is like denying a sighted person a pen or pencil. Beyond rediculous. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Emma Mitchell > Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVR issues > > Hi everyone, > I need your help: > > Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? > Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? > I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. > Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. > Emma > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lakeria2009%40gmail.com From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 00:20:17 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:20:17 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues In-Reply-To: References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I can not read large print and use screen readers on everything Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > This might be a bit of a stretch, and I wouldn't normally recommend "playing victim" to rehab, but I presume you are reading large print. Emphasize to them the fact that looking at large print hurts your eyes and you cannot follow allong with your fellow students. I would even suggest testimonials from other blind students about how their use of large print was not feasible. > Vejas > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 22:30, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >> >> I mean Braille display. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. >>> Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your Braille skills. >>> Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them vastly. >>> People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they have great GED support should you want to take them. The training typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent a long time there, how much time you will actually need. >>> Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. >>> Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. >>> HTH >>> Vejas >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> I need your help: >>> >>> Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college studies? >>> Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? >>> I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. >>> Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. >>> Emma >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>> tion%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From louvins at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 00:35:07 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 18:35:07 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues In-Reply-To: References: <585b6de1.4c4b620a.bf3e3.2d32@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Emma. Learning braille is an essential part of college education. If you know braille, you can study for tests, exams etc much better, because you can braille your own notes and reread them back which will help you retain information much better. If you are going to begin to learn braille, you want to learn on a perkins brailler first. A brailler is much different then a braille display. It is a little different reading words you've typed on paper, then when you read the pins of a braille display. I couldn't gotten through my college math if it hadn't been for using a brailler. I talked my disability services department into purchasing a perkins brailler for other blind students to use. I had to bring my own brailler from home before my college bought a perkins brailler. Good luck. You won't regret learning braille. Just practice, practice, practice your braille, and you will increase your speed. On 12/22/16, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > I can not read large print and use screen readers on everything > Emma > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 21, 2016, at 9:20 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >> wrote: >> >> This might be a bit of a stretch, and I wouldn't normally recommend >> "playing victim" to rehab, but I presume you are reading large print. >> Emphasize to them the fact that looking at large print hurts your eyes >> and you cannot follow allong with your fellow students. I would even >> suggest testimonials from other blind students about how their use of >> large print was not feasible. >> Vejas >> >>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 22:30, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L >>> wrote: >>> >>> I mean Braille display. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 8:08 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> By Braille writer, do you mean a Braille display or a Perkins Brailler? >>>> The Perkins is a manual typewriter that is typically used for math. >>>> Either way, they can't justify that you don't know enough Braille, >>>> because they are not you. You should point out that if you didn't have >>>> a Braille writer at all, there is no way for you to increase your >>>> Braille skills. >>>> Attending a training center would be a great idea before you start >>>> college. Although I have known Braille all my life, I have a few >>>> friends who did not know any before training, and it has helped them >>>> vastly. >>>> People may try to steer you towards their center. I am an LCB graduate >>>> but in reality they are all good. I chose LCB because I had had such a >>>> positive experience there as a buddy student. I also know that they >>>> have great GED support should you want to take them. The training >>>> typically lasts from 6 to 9 months. You won't know until you have spent >>>> a long time there, how much time you will actually need. >>>> Do some research and have one training center in mind. As David said, >>>> you need to visit the training centers in your state and compare them, >>>> then write a justification. In my case, the California training centers >>>> actually ended up costing more than LCB would have. >>>> Different rehab counsellors will work differently. For example, mine >>>> was very supportive but could only authorize 3 months at a time. >>>> HTH >>>> Vejas >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Emma Mitchell via NABS-L >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 17:47:19 -1000 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other >>>> OVRissues >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> I need your help: >>>> >>>> Can friends post why a Braille writer is necessary to learn Braille so I >>>> can send it to my counselor and also why it’s important for college >>>> studies? >>>> Also what training center is good and why? And for how long I should go? >>>> I’m fighting my OVR on these issues. >>>> Ps. A braille writer/display was approved in October I just got emailed >>>> a denial on Monday because I don’t know enough braille. Im trying to >>>> point out that I can not learn braille without a writer to practice >>>> please help. I”m in Pennsylvania. >>>> Emma >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NABS-L mailing list >>>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> NABS-L: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NABS-L mailing list >>> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> NABS-L: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagination%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 13:52:04 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:52:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and other OVRissues Message-ID: <585d2c41.4828240a.72c03.14f0@mx.google.com> Hi Emma thanks for your message. A braille writer allows you to take notes for your college classes. However it may not be possible to carry a Perkins brailler back and forth to and from campus each day. Since you are just learning braille it is important for you to practice your braille skills. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 13:52:08 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:52:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and otherOVRissues Message-ID: <585d2c46.4828240a.72c03.14f1@mx.google.com> Are you currently using a Perkins brailler? From emitchell927 at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 14:28:25 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 04:28:25 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and otherOVRissues In-Reply-To: <585d2c46.4828240a.72c03.14f1@mx.google.com> References: <585d2c46.4828240a.72c03.14f1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2D6EF785-00C3-4573-968E-DC8A74D3F3DE@gmail.com> I don't know which one to ask for and a beginner and I am being taught only in school because my teacher is a graduate student at my school Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 23, 2016, at 3:52 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > Are you currently using a Perkins brailler? > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Dec 23 21:27:27 2016 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:27:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Help needed braille writer sudden denial and otherOVRissues In-Reply-To: <2D6EF785-00C3-4573-968E-DC8A74D3F3DE@gmail.com> References: <585d2c46.4828240a.72c03.14f1@mx.google.com> <2D6EF785-00C3-4573-968E-DC8A74D3F3DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70951FEF-7F01-48E4-B961-B0FCEB79B28C@yahoo.com> Hi Emma I would love to help you with all of this. Feel free to e-mail, call, or text me off list. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 bobbipompey at gmail.com "Not everything faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced" James Baldwin > On Dec 23, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: > > I don't know which one to ask for and a beginner and I am being taught only in school because my teacher is a graduate student at my school > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Dec 23, 2016, at 3:52 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Are you currently using a Perkins brailler? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Fri Dec 23 21:57:14 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:57:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] College student needed Message-ID: <049c01d25d67$85b964a0$912c2de0$@gmail.com> Students, Please read the below message. If interested, please contact the coordinators. Researchers at Educational Testing Service (ETS) would like to identify a pre-service teacher (college student) who is blind who could participate in a focus group study about a new teacher licensure assessment we are working on. We would pay an honorarium and all travel expenses. The person must be available for participation in a face-to-face meeting in Princeton, New Jersey all day Wednesday 18 January 2017 and a half day on Thursday 19 January (traveling 17 January as necessary). The person should be currently enrolled in a teacher preparation program and be a user of braille. Please contact Carlos Cavalie (ccavalie at ets.org ) and copy Eric Hansen (ehansen at ets.org ) as soon as possible. Thanks, Kathryn Webster From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Dec 24 05:39:21 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 00:39:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas Message-ID: Hi All, I hope everyone has a good and relaxing holiday. Enjoy the food, feasts, and presents. Merry Christmas! Ashley From kidbrailler at aol.com Sat Dec 24 08:13:29 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 03:13:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Merry Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3FCD3689-D6BE-4999-8760-68DFC518945F@aol.com> Merry Christmas and a happy new year. Sincerely Alonza Harris Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2016, at 00:39, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi All, > > I hope everyone has a good and relaxing holiday. Enjoy the food, feasts, and presents. > > Merry Christmas! > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 15:08:58 2016 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 15:08:58 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Maths course. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello everyone, I know it's a very long time since I started this thread. I just wanted to say that I began a Hadley Maths course this May and I'm loving it. Happy ST Stephen's Day, Sandra. On 6/10/15, Rebecca Weber wrote: > Hi. You could try a course from the Hadley School For The Blind. I'm not > sure if they are in other languages. That's great you're looking for a math > course. Hope that helps. Good luck. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 10, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Sandra Gayer via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Hello everyone, >> I've never been great at maths. It was taught rather visually when I >> was at school although there were Braille resources; graph paper, wiki >> sticks, Cubi-Rhythm etc. Anyway, I've decided to do something about >> it. Does anyone know where I can access a maths course that's aimed at >> visually impaired people? Preferably something that doesn't rely on >> visual cues or imagery. An audio course or electronic course? Baring >> in mind that I don't live in America. >> >> Thanks again, >> very best wishes, >> Sandra. >> >>> On 6/10/15, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote: >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> Hello: >>> I'll second what david said mostly. >>> You'll want at least 8 gb, 16 is probably overkill. My tablet has 8 >>> and I do some fairly intensive work. >>> I3 is pretty cheap but you will not get the same performance. Having >>> seen the size of some law books, you'll want more processing power to >>> parse and read them. I recommend the i5. This will also help Jaws and >>> make everything generally faster. >>> Also as david said, you will need a 64 bit system. It's generally >>> quicker and will allow you to address higher than 3.something gb ram >>> (PAE included). >>> >>> HTH, >>>> On 6/10/2015 1:06 PM, David Andrews via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Without knowing the specs of either, in general, the i5 would be >>>> better than the I3, newer, faster etc. However, as important, or >>>> more important is adequate memory, that is primary problem with >>>> your 2 gig machine. I would consider 4 to be the absolute minimum >>>> with a screen reader, 8 or 16 if you run a lot of tasks, and >>>> machine is 64 bit. A 32 bit machine can't address above 4. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> At 03:51 AM 6/10/2015, you wrote: >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I am planning to buy a new laptop and am confused between two >>>>> machines: Dell Inspiron 3148 and 7348. My confusion stems from >>>>> the fact that the former runs on an I3 processor, whereas the >>>>> latter runs on an I5 processor. While I have been able to acquire >>>>> a fairly detailed understanding of the differences between these >>>>> two on the basis of some online research, I would be extremely >>>>> grateful if any of you could speak to the differences between >>>>> these 2 processors from the standpoint of a JAWS user. More >>>>> specifically, I am a law student and use my laptop for reading a >>>>> lot of documents, using MS Office, email, social networking and >>>>> am acquired to use highly advanced MS Word functions like track >>>>> changes and footnotes all the time. Further, I have to work with >>>>> multiple applications like Adobe Reader, MS Word and a web >>>>> browser simultaneously. I am really frustrated with the >>>>> performance of the machine that I currently have, as it runs on a >>>>> Dual Core processor and merely has 2gb RAM. While I am really >>>>> keen to go for the Inspiron 7348, it is a lot more expensive than >>>>> the 3148 which is why I am not sure which one I should choose. >>>>> Any concrete suggestions would be immensely appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Best, Rahul >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing >>>> list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >>>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >>> >>> >>> - -- >>> Take care, >>> Ty >>> twitter: @sorressean >>> web:http://tysdomain.com >>> pubkey: http://tysdomain.com/files/pubkey.asc >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> Version: GnuPG v2 >>> >>> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVeHXjAAoJEAdP60+BYxejtIYH/0+yyD3dssKHpV6Xl+L7vi5O >>> ltc7Jv/0l51kxMo2YWbl4CT3SY9i+JyKWmdqgewVkADX0M3bivG9/u0s/1bq0R8Z >>> j3wfocQXjRLnpqjpaWZEnVDGC1yXykz2mUE7trvw308CXiCLSZxyGE1QVDunvGjJ >>> ADbO4rBOqBDpFCbUxugCRlHzmsII7sc2hFq7r+qCqYl60bYWFxnwlpwAihLciK1w >>> tmWxjmNfMLNnkglnYZD5m/VDc2pu6oruTsEvo7sydO7un3L00ne1bnUw/y7wlqkW >>> betAKYr7NHmbHZXOly4Gwd19sl2OBDKJ3iqdtbsTO1GcUL5aj/CBlgpsHc6s4+w= >>> =lV4J >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Soprano Singer >> www.sandragayer.com >> >> Broadcast Presenter >> >> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> >> Voiceover Artist >> >> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/weberrebecca232%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.rnibconnectradio.org.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu Tue Dec 27 21:55:10 2016 From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 16:55:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Going to law school or in law school already? Help make becoming a lawyer accessible. Message-ID: <5037408D-D48D-490A-8690-60D5D3AF90E9@jd16.law.harvard.edu> Hey all, I just wanted to remind everyone that my good friend Chris Stewart and I are in a lawsuit to make one of the most difficult barriers to becoming a lawyer more accessible. So if you are planning on going to law school or are currently going to law school, let me or deepa, our attorney who's information is below know. We need additional plaintiffs in our case. Give me a call and I'll give you more information if you aren't sure whether you can help. My cell is 9032716494. Thanks Derek Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2016, at 12:21 PM, Bryan Duarte (Student) via NABS-L wrote: > > Hello NABS, > > I was asked to pass on a message requesting your feedback. Please take a minute to read the below message and contact Deepa Goraya at the inclosed email. Thank you for your time. > > As you may remember, the Washington Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights filed a class action lawsuit in the Northern District of Texas against Barbri, Inc. on behalf of a putative class of blind students. The lawsuit, Stanley, et al. v. Barbri, Inc., Civil Action No. 16-cv-01113-BK, concerns accessibility of the Barbri bar review website and mobile application, which are not fully accessible to talking screen readers, making it difficult to get access to all the study tools and course materials. Additionally, the materials provided in alternate formats are often not delivered on time and are not complete. > > Briefing is complete on Barbri’s motion to dismiss, and we are entering the discovery phase. Our motion for class certification will be due in February. In advance of that motion, we would like to hear from people who have been impacted by Barbri’s inaccessibility. > > If anyone who is legally blind has either taken Barbri between April of 2014 and the present, wanted to take Barbri between April of 2014 and the present but was deterred because you knew they were not accessible, or is currently taking or planning to take Barbri, please get in touch with me. You can email me at deepa_goraya at washlaw.org or call me at 202-319-1000 and ask for Deepa Goraya. > > DEEPINDER K. GORAYA, ESQ. | Staff Attorney, Disability Rights Project > Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs > > Bryan Duarte software engineer > ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student > National Association of Blind Students | Board Member > Arizona Association of Blind Students | President > QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ > > “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” > -- St. Teresa of Avila > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu From dandrews at visi.com Wed Dec 28 01:12:03 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 19:12:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: more TV providers provide talking menus for blind subscribers Message-ID: The area of accessible television is getting more activity of late -- this information may interest you. Dave >From: Ray Foret jr >Subject: more TV providors provide talking menus for blind subscribers >Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 02:50:28 -0600 >To: David Andrews > >Greetings, >As we all know, the Federal Communications >Commission has inacted the Telecommunications >act which requires provision for talking menu >and or talking guide structure for blind >subscribers of TV providing services. The first >link is critically important for it leads to a >FAQ sheet in which there is information for filing complaints if necessary: > >https://www.fcc.gov/television-and-set-top-box-controls-menus-program-guides-factsheet > > >Following is a list of TV providers who now >provide some kind of audio or talking menu >structure for blind subscribers. Mostly, these >providers require that the subscriber have the >top of the line DVR box for this to work. I >must admit that I was quite surprised to see the >TV satellite companies on board. > > >Comcast: > >www.comcast.com/accessibility > >Tivo: >https://www.tivo.com/accessibility >Spectrum, (formerly Charter) >http://www.charter.net/support/accessibility/talking-guide-spectrum-guide-support/ >Direct TV: >https://support.directv.com/equipment/talking-guide-faq >and Dish Network: >https://www.dish.com/accessibility/ >Verizon Fios: >http://www.verizon.com/about/accessibility/text-speech?pos=1 > >Of course, Apple TV is accessible and that’s always a plus too. > > > >Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full >accessibility for the blind built-in > >Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray, > >Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice >Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user! From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Dec 28 03:18:07 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 22:18:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] medical paperwork Message-ID: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> Hi all, Sorry for the off topic message. I’ve used my folks as readers and scribes. I’d like to have an accessible way to handle medical forms and the paperwork afterward. How do you handle forms to fill out? Recently, our primary doctor’s office has had a procedure to give you paperwork of your visit, a summary of your visit with follow up instructions if needed. I’ve just scanned that with openbook so far. With in this year or two, they have implemented an online patient portal. In this portal you can not only read the summary of medical visits but also see info like prescriptions. Not sure if this is accessible or not wit jaws but I’ll find out. Does anyone use online medical records? Are they accessible? Our doctor’s practice is privia medical group. So if you have positive info about them, let me know. I’m really hoping the online account is accessible as then I can independently view my lab work results, patient summaries, and other stuff online. That will be great if I can view it privately and independently since I’ve had to ask my parents to read my lab work results in the past to me. Thanks for sharing any info. Ashley From emitchell927 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 04:20:39 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 18:20:39 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] medical paperwork In-Reply-To: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> References: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> I have the same question. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the off topic message. > I’ve used my folks as readers and scribes. I’d like to have an accessible way to handle medical forms and the paperwork afterward. > > How do you handle forms to fill out? Recently, our primary doctor’s office has had a procedure to give you paperwork of your visit, a summary of your visit with follow up instructions if needed. I’ve just scanned that with openbook so far. With in this year or two, they have implemented an online patient portal. In this portal you can not only read the summary of medical visits but also see info like prescriptions. > Not sure if this is accessible or not wit jaws but I’ll find out. > > Does anyone use online medical records? Are they accessible? Our doctor’s practice is privia medical group. So if you have positive info about them, let me know. > I’m really hoping the online account is accessible as then I can independently view my lab work results, patient summaries, and other stuff online. That will be great if I can view it privately and independently since I’ve had to ask my parents to read my lab work results in the past to me. > > Thanks for sharing any info. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Wed Dec 28 04:41:50 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 22:41:50 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] medical paperwork In-Reply-To: <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> References: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: All you can do is try. My provider has an on-line portal and so far I have found everything to be accessible. Dave At 10:20 PM 12/27/2016, you wrote: >I have the same question. Emma Sent from my >iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ashley >Bramlett via NABS-L >wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the off topic >message. > I’ve used my folks as readers and >scribes. I’d like to have an accessible way to >handle medical forms and the paperwork >afterward. > > How do you handle forms to fill >out? Recently, our primary doctor’s office has >had a procedure to give you paperwork of your >visit, a summary of your visit with follow up >instructions if needed. I’ve just scanned that >with openbook so far. With in this year or two, >they have implemented an online patient portal. >In this portal you can not only read the summary >of medical visits but also see info like >prescriptions. > Not sure if this is accessible >or not wit jaws but I’ll find out. > > Does >anyone use online medical records? Are they >accessible? Our doctor’s practice is privia >medical group. So if you have positive info >about them, let me know. > I’m really hoping >the online account is accessible as then I can >independently view my lab work results, patient >summaries, and other stuff online. That will be >great if I can view it privately and >independently since I’ve had to ask my parents >to read my lab work results in the past to >me. > > Thanks for sharing any info. > Ashley > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 14:24:29 2016 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 09:24:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] medical paperwork In-Reply-To: References: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A6572B2-C1F3-42BD-806E-D3D9DC1881F2@gmail.com> I second Dave’s suggestion. Also, different doctors use different online platforms. Some are great, some are just not. All you can do is try. Good luck! It would be great if you could work with things accessibly. That’s something I struggle with, because my doctor does not use an online system. Aleeha > On Dec 27, 2016, at 11:41 PM, David Andrews via NABS-L wrote: > > All you can do is try. My provider has an on-line portal and so far I have found everything to be accessible. > > Dave > > At 10:20 PM 12/27/2016, you wrote: >> I have the same question. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the off topic message. > I’ve used my folks as readers and scribes. I’d like to have an accessible way to handle medical forms and the paperwork afterward. > > How do you handle forms to fill out? Recently, our primary doctor’s office has had a procedure to give you paperwork of your visit, a summary of your visit with follow up instructions if needed. I’ve just scanned that with openbook so far. With in this year or two, they have implemented an online patient portal. In this portal you can not only read the summary of medical visits but also see info like prescriptions. > Not sure if this is accessible or not wit jaws but I’ll find out. > > Does anyone use online medical records? Are they accessible? Our doctor’s practice is privia medical group. So if you have positive info about them, let me know. > I’m really hoping the online account is accessible as then I can independently view my lab work results, patient summaries, and other stuff online. That will be great if I can view it privately and independently since I’ve had to ask my parents to read my lab work results in the past to me. > > Thanks for sharing any info. > Ashley > > > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 15:37:59 2016 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster, NABS President) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 10:37:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Student Division and the Science & Engineering Division presents a conference call all about science on Monday, January 9 at 9pm eastern! Message-ID: <003701d26120$5f0497f0$1d0dc7d0$@gmail.com> All: The Science and Engineering Division and The National Association of Blind Students of the National Federation of the Blind announce a Joint Science Oriented Phone Conference On January 9, 2017, at 9 PM Eastern Standard Time (EST,) The Science and Engineering Division and The National Association of Blind Students will have a science-oriented phone conference. The conference will use the NABS conference line with the contact information as follows: Call: 605-475-6700, Access code: 7869673 The speakers and topics are as follows: * John Miller will speak on how to do physics and engineering; * Kennedy Stomberg will speak on how to do biology labs; * Ashley Neybert will talk about how to do chemistry labs; And; * Kristen Johnson will describe how to do dissections. For more information, please contact either: National Association of Blind Students President Kathryn Webster Phone: 203-273-8463 Email: nabs.president at gmail.com Science and Engineering President John Miller Phone: 858-527-1727 Email: johnmillerphd at hotmail.com Talk to y'all soon! Kathryn Webster President | National Association of Blind Students From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 19:30:46 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 11:30:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] medical paperwork In-Reply-To: <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> References: <362F82DC2B6742D0A6F8F582CAC41B86@OwnerPC> <40ECE3E6-5C8A-4DDF-83B1-E11606AD80EF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use the help of others. As far as I'm concerned, the forms at the doc have short lives and don't need to stay on an accessable plane. I have no problem, therefore in asking for help to complete papers I get as I grope my world. CCar At 08:20 PM 12/27/2016, Emma Mitchell via NABS-L wrote: >I have the same question. Emma Sent from my >iPhone > On Dec 27, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Ashley >Bramlett via NABS-L >wrote: > > Hi all, > > Sorry for the off topic >message. > I’ve used my folks as readers and >scribes. I’d like to have an accessible way to >handle medical forms and the paperwork >afterward. > > How do you handle forms to fill >out? Recently, our primary doctor’s office has >had a procedure to give you paperwork of your >visit, a summary of your visit with follow up >instructions if needed. I’ve just scanned that >with openbook so far. With in this year or two, >they have implemented an online patient portal. >In this portal you can not only read the summary >of medical visits but also see info like >prescriptions. > Not sure if this is accessible >or not wit jaws but I’ll find out. > > Does >anyone use online medical records? Are they >accessible? Our doctor’s practice is privia >medical group. So if you have positive info >about them, let me know. > I’m really hoping >the online account is accessible as then I can >independently view my lab work results, patient >summaries, and other stuff online. That will be >great if I can view it privately and >independently since I’ve had to ask my parents >to read my lab work results in the past to >me. > > Thanks for sharing any info. > Ashley > >_______________________________________________ > > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for NABS-L: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >NABS-L mailing list NABS-L at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for NABS-L: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Dec 28 20:53:07 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:53:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch and ICloud email Message-ID: <3F15BD7C-B94B-4C48-BC20-4E268AA4D3B6@icloud.com> Hi all, I hope that someone can help me. I would like to put my ICloud email account on my Braillenote touch. I have googled for the ICloud settings, but my touch is asking for more than I can provide. Humanware referred me to Apple, and Apple referred me back to Humanware. Any help would be appriciated. Sorry for the cross post. Mikayla Sent from my iPad From jldail13 at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 20:59:41 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 15:59:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch and ICloud email In-Reply-To: <3F15BD7C-B94B-4C48-BC20-4E268AA4D3B6@icloud.com> References: <3F15BD7C-B94B-4C48-BC20-4E268AA4D3B6@icloud.com> Message-ID: <966EFED0-36E9-438E-AEED-35A5802131D8@gmail.com> Hi, Please try to configure the account using the information found at this link. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/need-to-access-icloud-on-your-android-we-can-help/ Thanks, Jessica > On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi all, > I hope that someone can help me. I would like to put my ICloud email account on my Braillenote touch. I have googled for the ICloud settings, but my touch is asking for more than I can provide. Humanware referred me to Apple, and Apple referred me back to Humanware. Any help would be appriciated. Sorry for the cross post. > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Dec 28 21:12:35 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:12:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch and ICloud email In-Reply-To: <966EFED0-36E9-438E-AEED-35A5802131D8@gmail.com> References: <3F15BD7C-B94B-4C48-BC20-4E268AA4D3B6@icloud.com> <966EFED0-36E9-438E-AEED-35A5802131D8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71FA3CAF-C367-4432-96E0-86A773968967@icloud.com> Thank you both. Jessica, it would not let me even go to the outgoing settings. The good thing is that my TVI and I are going to put my school Acount on it, which is a Google Acount. I just wanted to put my ICloud Acount on here, as I do a lot that way. If anyone has any ideas, please share. Thanks again. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Please try to configure the account using the information found at this link. > http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/need-to-access-icloud-on-your-android-we-can-help/ > Thanks, > Jessica > >> On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I hope that someone can help me. I would like to put my ICloud email account on my Braillenote touch. I have googled for the ICloud settings, but my touch is asking for more than I can provide. Humanware referred me to Apple, and Apple referred me back to Humanware. Any help would be appriciated. Sorry for the cross post. >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Dec 28 21:24:47 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:24:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote Touch and ICloud email In-Reply-To: <966EFED0-36E9-438E-AEED-35A5802131D8@gmail.com> References: <3F15BD7C-B94B-4C48-BC20-4E268AA4D3B6@icloud.com> <966EFED0-36E9-438E-AEED-35A5802131D8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0333A285-299A-4121-9658-6B7E7E1DF249@icloud.com> I just got it to work! I don't know what I was doing wrong, but I just got it! Thank you Jessica. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Jessica Dail via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Please try to configure the account using the information found at this link. > http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/need-to-access-icloud-on-your-android-we-can-help/ > Thanks, > Jessica > >> On Dec 28, 2016, at 3:53 PM, Mikayla Gephart via NABS-L wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I hope that someone can help me. I would like to put my ICloud email account on my Braillenote touch. I have googled for the ICloud settings, but my touch is asking for more than I can provide. Humanware referred me to Apple, and Apple referred me back to Humanware. Any help would be appriciated. Sorry for the cross post. >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> NABS-L mailing list >> NABS-L at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From ahbeeorton at yahoo.com Thu Dec 29 00:10:33 2016 From: ahbeeorton at yahoo.com (Ahbee Orton) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:10:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Message-ID: <60CB9C32-1DA5-4A05-8348-0654E99DD1B9@yahoo.com> Dear All, I am thinking about college still. I would like to know what suggestions you would have about how to prepare for coursework in college classes? I know that the professors put in fewer grades, which means that each grade will count more on your end of the semester reports. I hope someone can help. Thank you! Sincerely, Ahbee Sent from Ahbee's iPhone From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 00:36:25 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:36:25 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Message-ID: <58645a9a.0cc6620a.c48b3.beef@mx.google.com> Hi Ahbee, Yes, you are right. There are fewer exams and assignments so they must be done well. If there is more than one exam, you have the opportunity of doing even better on the next ones because you will learn how the teacher "Works." Do they base their exams just on discussions in class, just on reading or a combination of both? Office hours are also very helpful. Finally, a piece of advice one of my teachers gave me was to try to put yourself in a situation. For example, if you're learning about conditioning in psychology, think of situations that apply to you. If you're in philosophy, trying to apply your own feelings and thoughts to what the philosopher is trying to convey. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L hi all, I have a question. has any of you worked at a camp for people with disabilities? if so how was your experience? I'm looking into working at a camp for disabled people in Colorado, the camp director says that my blindness is not an issue so that's a plus I think. what do you guys think it would be more rewarding, working with kids with any disability or with blind kids? thanks☺️ Sent from my iPhone From kmaent1 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 05:31:51 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 00:31:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Message-ID: <58649ffc.d142240a.78f12.bcd9@mx.google.com> Hi Ahbee, Keep in mind that the ratio of in class to out of class work is different from high school. You should be spending between 2 and 3 hours doing homework for each hour that your in class for most classes and more for things like foreign language classes. Actually do the reading before the class it's going to be discussed. Many people don't, but there's no substitute for reading if you actually want to learn something and to get the most out of lectures and class discussions. Also, feel free to speak up and ask questions. Office hours are a great resource too. Most professors are happy when someone wants to talk about the subject they've committed their lives too, and (except right around exam times), very few people show up to office hours, so you usually don't have to wait in line or anything like that. If your professor lets you, take advantage of the opportunity to write a draft of your paper and get feedback of it. If they don't, it's always ok to go talk to them about your project. Often they will have ideas on what to read for your paper and on how to structure a research question that can be answered within the length constraints. Finally, make sure you know what is expected of you. Read the syllabus carefully from front to back, and also read the assignments your given carefully and make sure you do what's assigned not something similar. This might sound obvious, but, as someone who has graded papers, it's amazing how many people write something other than the kind of paper they're supposed to write. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L References: <58649ffc.d142240a.78f12.bcd9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <743DC9E89FCA4EED82865B8B287FBAA0@OwnerPC> Karl, I agree and second this advice. I especially like the advice to visit professors in office hours. I found them beneficial usually and it not only helped me learn more from class but also let the professor know I was trying and cared about their class if I was struggling. In college, there is more reading outside class and more large assignments. High school gives you daily homework and if your school was like mine, you turn in some for grading and others you do not, but just go over the worksheets or textbook questions in class. You compare your answers to the teachers, and make any corrections yourself. Now, college is different. You will have reading take up most of your homework. Other homework usually is research for papers. I found certain subjects had more weekly assignments to turn in. I found that english, communication, social science classes such as psychology and math courses had much more work outside class than others. In English classes, I had more writing assignments and also readings. Often they expect you to analyze the stories so you have to read a few times to really understand the story well and get the secondary meanings from it. My communication classes took more time because on top of the readings, I usually had other assignments to prep for. If it was a speech class, it was preparing for a speech. If it was another class, it usually involved a group project, worksheets, or writing. For instance, I took interpersonal communication and I had to think of ideas for our group project and what role I'd play; the work was done in class, but we needed to brainstorm outside class. I'd say to prep for college, develop good study skills and time management skills. You will need them. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via NABS-L Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 12:31 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Hi Ahbee, Keep in mind that the ratio of in class to out of class work is different from high school. You should be spending between 2 and 3 hours doing homework for each hour that your in class for most classes and more for things like foreign language classes. Actually do the reading before the class it's going to be discussed. Many people don't, but there's no substitute for reading if you actually want to learn something and to get the most out of lectures and class discussions. Also, feel free to speak up and ask questions. Office hours are a great resource too. Most professors are happy when someone wants to talk about the subject they've committed their lives too, and (except right around exam times), very few people show up to office hours, so you usually don't have to wait in line or anything like that. If your professor lets you, take advantage of the opportunity to write a draft of your paper and get feedback of it. If they don't, it's always ok to go talk to them about your project. Often they will have ideas on what to read for your paper and on how to structure a research question that can be answered within the length constraints. Finally, make sure you know what is expected of you. Read the syllabus carefully from front to back, and also read the assignments your given carefully and make sure you do what's assigned not something similar. This might sound obvious, but, as someone who has graded papers, it's amazing how many people write something other than the kind of paper they're supposed to write. HTH, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Ahbee Orton via NABS-L Hi all. I have a BrailleNote mpower with keysoft 7.2. I can't upgrade it to 8.1 because humanware doesn't support it now. In the manual I read that this device can be connected to a computer by bluetooth or serial and acts as a braille display. Well, my computer hasn't serial, then I tried bluetooth. But I cant figure how to set it with NVDA or jaws. I installed Microsoft Windows Mobile Device Center 6.1 to get activeSync service on bluetooth. Then I paired it, set brailleNote as a braille terminal, but NVDA or JAWS can't detect it as a braille display. Sometimes brailleNote fails to active braille terminal mode. Says serial port is unavailable. I restart the connection and solve it. Also I added a bluetooth serial input port in my computer. From Windows mobile device center Y can access brailleNote by this port, even I can access to braillenote files etc. I tried to select this bluetooth serial port on the braille display port configuration, but NVDA shows an error. I tried it on windows 7 and 8.1. Also I tried to configure this device with iPhone, since iPhone offers activeSync service but VoiceOver seems to be incompatible with this protocol. I need help because at this time, I only have Access to this braille display. Thanks :) From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 16:16:13 2016 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:16:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Message-ID: <586536e1.4828240a.72c03.e969@mx.google.com> Colleges also have tutoring resources that can help you. My university has a math lab and a writing center. At the writing center, other studehnts will help you edit papers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via NABS-L References: <60CB9C32-1DA5-4A05-8348-0654E99DD1B9@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16931891-5CAB-4872-B1AD-34274F2DFF28@gmail.com> Hi, You will definitely want to learn how to take good notes. Studying is an important part of college coursework and note taking is the only way to get all the information from your classes. You will also need to learn how to hire good readers (the Braille Monitor has good resources for this), and how to work with rehabilitation services and disability services. Some of this you can learn as you go, but you will definitely want to work on note taking. Practice by taking notes on a podcast that has a lot of information in it. Go back after a while and read the notes and see if you can get all the information you need from them. The thing to remember is that you do not need to write every word the person says. Abbreviate things and use incomplete sentences so that you can go faster. Regarding studying, set up a study schedule for yourself outside of class. Study times for people will vary based on the person, so be patient with yourself. You may find that you need more or less studying depending on the material and your ability to retain it. I find that if I can teach the material to someone who doesn’t know it, I will do well on the test. HTH, Aleeha > On Dec 28, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Ahbee Orton via NABS-L wrote: > > Dear All, > > I am thinking about college still. I would like to know what suggestions you would have about how to prepare for coursework in college classes? I know that the professors put in fewer grades, which means that each grade will count more on your end of the semester reports. I hope someone can help. Thank you! > > Sincerely, > Ahbee > > > Sent from Ahbee's iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 17:51:06 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (roanna bacchus) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 12:51:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework Message-ID: <58654d12.59846b0a.95c43.7267@mx.google.com> There are many steps that you can take to prepare for college coursework. The first is to make sure you are registered with the Office for students with disabilities on your college campus. I always requested my books right after I registered for classes. Last Fall I received my books for the Spring semester before Christmas break. I was able to begin reading the first chapter of my Advertising text before the class even started. From emitchell927 at gmail.com Thu Dec 29 20:21:08 2016 From: emitchell927 at gmail.com (Emma Mitchell) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:21:08 -1000 Subject: [nabs-l] how to prepare for college coursework In-Reply-To: <58654d12.59846b0a.95c43.7267@mx.google.com> References: <58654d12.59846b0a.95c43.7267@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I second all of this anew. Also make sure you have a good support system within and throughout college. Emma Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2016, at 7:51 AM, roanna bacchus via NABS-L wrote: > > There are many steps that you can take to prepare for college coursework. The first is to make sure you are registered with the Office for students with disabilities on your college campus. I always requested my books right after I registered for classes. Last Fall I received my books for the Spring semester before Christmas break. I was able to begin reading the first chapter of my Advertising text before the class even started. > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emitchell927%40gmail.com From kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org Fri Dec 30 16:33:31 2016 From: kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org (Kaitlyn Millen) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 09:33:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Expedition in the Grand Canyon- Application Deadline on Jan. 13! Message-ID: Dear NABS Members, It's out last call for applications! No Barriers Youth is offering an expediting in the Grand Canyon for students ages 15-19 with excellent scholarship support. The deadline is coming up on Jan. 13. Please help us spread the word and visit our site here: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/ * Thank you! No Barriers Youth leadingtheway at nobarriersusa.org -- *KAITLYN MILLEN |* * Leading the Way Program Specialist * *http://www.nlcsdproject.org/kaitlyn-millen/ * *Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/ 224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521 OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322 TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073 www.nobarriersusa.org From Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu Sat Dec 31 03:06:23 2016 From: Bryan.Duarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte (Student)) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 03:06:23 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes for the month of December Message-ID: <5000F8D1-DB65-4D94-8D3C-702CB0043A86@mainex1.asu.edu> Greetings NABS, With the new year approaching, it is a perfect time to reflect on the past and create new goals to achieve this new year. It is our hope that 2017 will be a very productive year for the National Federation of the Blind and it will require your help. In this months NABS notes you will find several great opportunities as well as some very important Washington Seminar information. Please join with me in reading the NABS Notes for the month of December. Thank you and happy holidays. If you have any questions or comments please feel free to contact Bryan at bjduarte at asu.edu Follow this link to read the December NABS Notes http://nabslink.org/content/nabs-notes-month-december Thank you Bryan Duarte software engineer ASU Computer Science Ph.D Student National Association of Blind Students | Board Member Arizona Association of Blind Students | President QwikEyes CEO http://www.qwikeyes.com/ “let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things are passing away: God never changes. patience obtains all things. whoever has God lacks nothing; God alone suffices.” -- St. Teresa of Avila From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 18:48:21 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:48:21 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick Apex Question Message-ID: <5867fd89.01d6620a.47a51.cd4d@mx.google.com> Hi, Just wondering if anyone with a braillenote Apex has received a "restoring partition" message while resetting? The message stays on for a while, and when I reset again it appears fine. But I'm just wondering if it might have anything to do with the functionality of the system tforing to restore itself? I have had this Apex for a while. Thanks, Vejas From jldail13 at gmail.com Sat Dec 31 18:58:00 2016 From: jldail13 at gmail.com (Jessica Dail) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 13:58:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quick Apex Question In-Reply-To: <5867fd89.01d6620a.47a51.cd4d@mx.google.com> References: <5867fd89.01d6620a.47a51.cd4d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, Yes, I got this message a lot' but don't know what it means. I think its some sort of file system check. Nothing to worry about. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via NABS-L wrote: > > Hi, > Just wondering if anyone with a braillenote Apex has received a "restoring partition" message while resetting? > The message stays on for a while, and when I reset again it appears fine. But I'm just wondering if it might have anything to do with the functionality of the system tforing to restore itself? I have had this Apex for a while. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > NABS-L mailing list > NABS-L at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for NABS-L: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jldail13%40gmail.com