From kmaent1 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 00:02:43 2016 From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:02:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices Message-ID: <56aea0cb.02e60d0a.d162c.6102@mx.google.com> Elizabeth, Perhaps you should go to one of the websites that were suggested for downloading it for free and find out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote: Hello All, It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while other people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%4 0gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Feb 1 00:17:30 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:17:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. --Christina > On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: > > Bryan: > > Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone > tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its > accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to > install ChromeVox? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte > via nabs-l > Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Bryan Duarte > Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility > > Hello NABS, > > I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not > know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications > at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. > Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you > about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind > individuals no matter what operating system you are using. > > As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that > they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google > Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are > getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again > Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not > telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is > free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web > browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other > windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, > Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not > told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called > Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome > but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess > what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you > would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate > with your teams of sighted peers. > > 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, > https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ > > > Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating > system Windows or Mac or Linux. > > 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. > http://www.chromevox.com > > 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab > and customize the voice and you are off and running. > > 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome > VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html > > > I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and > communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press > Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using > the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just > as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google > Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to > worry about having to toggle one on and off. > > I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use > Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency > of accessibility. > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte > ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 00:24:13 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:24:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices In-Reply-To: <56aea0cb.02e60d0a.d162c.6102@mx.google.com> References: <56aea0cb.02e60d0a.d162c.6102@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Karl, I visited both of these websites, and found them to be rather confusing. I am not interested in using an illegal copy of the Eloquence JAWS voice for NVDA. And I am not going to continue the debate of why I have such a difficult time understanding other screen reader voices when it appears to me that no one is going to be able to understand it. Thanks, Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:03 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices Elizabeth, Perhaps you should go to one of the websites that were suggested for downloading it for free and find out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote: Hello All, It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while other people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Elizabeth _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%4 0gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40h otmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 00:53:46 2016 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (amc05111 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 19:53:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> Message-ID: <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> Hello all Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) Ashley Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > > It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. > > --Christina > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Bryan: >> >> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >> install ChromeVox? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Bryan Duarte >> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >> >> Hello NABS, >> >> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >> >> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >> with your teams of sighted peers. >> >> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >> >> >> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >> >> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >> http://www.chromevox.com >> >> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >> >> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >> >> >> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >> >> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >> of accessibility. >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte >> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Mon Feb 1 01:21:14 2016 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:21:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, just a quick thought, but should we really be discussing illegal software on this list? Eloquence for NVDA can be purchased for $75 from code factory. God bless. Matthew Dierckens Certified Assistive Technology Specialist Macintosh, IOS and Windows Trainer Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018 Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com > On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:32, Simon Bonenfant via nabs-l wrote: > > hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can > get it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated > version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com > keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed > then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to > www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the nvda addons page link then click the > link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and > your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to > www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and > their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps > and good luck > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of >> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while >> other >> people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the >> NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in >> order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice >> is >> free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you >> able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on >> was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different >> information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can >> explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would >> greatly appreciate hearing from you. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 01:41:28 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:41:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice In-Reply-To: References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008201d15c91$abd87cc0$03897640$@gmail.com> Hi Elizabeth, Yeah, one more person attempting to meet you half way here, but wait, I don't have conventional advice. In fact, I don't care to offer any technological or advocacy tips because I don't think that's what you were originally seeking. This course might be proving difficult, but it seems to be the easiest thing to pin your frustrations on at the moment. It's something tangible, the face of a larger situation in your life at the moment, and it's the easiest thing to attack. Let's forget the class and address what I think might be the real issue. If I'm way off base, you can tell me to go to hell. >From what little we know, there was an accident. The aftermath had more than just a physical impact on you. There's quite a bit of emotional damage, and no practical advice about getting past a class is going to make that emotional hurt go away. Do you have the means to see a therapist about the situation? I know there are quarters where the thought of counseling is too easily associated with crazy, but that's outdated nonsense. Sometimes we need to find someone who can professionally listen and help guide us to more solid ground. That's not the type of support you're going to find here, because it's just not this list's specific nature. Yet, that's not to say you can't find such a resource or referral elsewhere in the organization. I understand your impression that the organization has perhaps never been there for you in the past, but you clearly hope things have changed or you would not have reached out so publically. That's not chastising. That's only me giving it to you straight because I've seen your name across this list for about as many years as I've been around the NFB, and we both know that if the organization were so ineffective with individuals, we would not keep coming back to see what's new. OK, but all that amounts to a whole lot of not helpful. The NABS list might not be able to help, but there's a division for just about every damn thing under the sun it seems now, so perhaps there is a different group that could be more understanding and supportive? You write well. You're very articulate and could clearly excel at this class if only given the opportunity to get back on your feet, but finishing this class even with high marks is not going to put you back on your feet. There's more going on, and you need to start there before you can move forward. Don't feed me this bologna that you can't learn Braille or get the computer thing figured out. You won't' be reading fast next week if you start reading Braille tonight, but you can slowly make it one more tool in your arsenal, not for the benefit of one class but for the benefit of your overall productivity. As for the technology bit? E-mail me off list with the name of the disability director over there. I'll commit to schooling them on the finer points of doing their job and see about making the computers work more consistently for you. That's not an empty promise. I won't mention your affiliate in case you want to maintain a level of anonymity, but if they can't get off their butt over there to lend a hand, we'll get a group of people together here and step up on your behalf. The rest? Well, that's really up to you, right? Clearly there are tons of well-intentioned people here ready to help, but you need to know what you want before that help can be useful to you. I look forward to hearing from you. Please keep us all posted on your progress. All the best, Joe -- Musings of a Work in Progress: www.JoeOrozco.com/ Twitter: @ScribblingJoe -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Hello Karl, I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA. And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only answer. Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Dear Elizabeth, You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help for your test in two weeks. If you want to continue college though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you have to do. We can't do that for you. I wish we could, but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments. One thing you could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class in the fall. I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though. You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally. I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really do. I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything. I think you might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though. Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly intuitive. When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I couldn't make it work, but then it clicked. All you really need is to type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them. Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do can manage it. I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam! Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l Hi everyone, Someone brought up a good point about emotional support being very important especially if someone is going through a trauma. I have run an e-mail list for three years on this issue mental health for the blind. I don't know if advertising lists is allowed so won't post the link unless someone says it's ok. If it ends up that it's not ok and anyone is interested they can write me off list. I also have a BS in counseling and am beyond that a good listener. Just my thoughts. Sam Check out my blog matterstosam.wordpress.com Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their therapist directory? Sign this pitition! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/447/835/607/ask-psychology-to-add-consumer-re view-feature-to-therapist-directory/ I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help me by taking my survey! https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/m1ww2j1h0w1w045/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 01:55:14 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:55:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding emotional support In-Reply-To: <055001d15c92$a33f99d0$e9becd70$@gmail.com> References: <055001d15c92$a33f99d0$e9becd70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sam, I think it's OK as long as it's a blindness list and the advertisements aren't too frequent. It's very kind of you to offer to talk with folks off-list too. Best, Arielle Silverman, List Moderator On 1/31/16, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Someone brought up a good point about emotional support being very > important especially if someone is going through a trauma. > > I have run an e-mail list for three years on this issue mental health for > the blind. > > I don't know if advertising lists is allowed so won't post the link unless > someone says it's ok. > > If it ends up that it's not ok and anyone is interested they can write me > off list. > > I also have a BS in counseling and am beyond that a good listener. > > Just my thoughts. > > Sam > > > > Check out my blog > > matterstosam.wordpress.com > > > > Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their therapist > directory? Sign this pitition! > > > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/447/835/607/ask-psychology-to-add-consumer-re > view-feature-to-therapist-directory/ > > > > I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help me by > taking my survey! > > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/m1ww2j1h0w1w045/ > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From tonysohl at samobile.net Mon Feb 1 02:02:19 2016 From: tonysohl at samobile.net (Tony Sohl) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:02:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Emotional Support and NVDA Message-ID: <4da254be.c276.4076.88db.0679da1306cc@samobile.net> Hi this message is for Elizibith. My name is Tony Sohl and both mhy wife and I use system Access and it has a very clear voice and we don't know if this would hlep you right now with your situation but it's worth a shot. To get a free trial, visit: http://www.satogo.com This uses the dec-tralk speech synthesizer and this might be helpful for you. -- Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (NIV) From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 02:11:35 2016 From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:11:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] regarding emotional support In-Reply-To: References: <055001d15c92$a33f99d0$e9becd70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <058e01d15c95$e0ea0290$a2be07b0$@gmail.com> Hy Ariel, Cool! The link is. https://groups.io/g/blind-mentalhealth Thanks. Sam Check out my blog matterstosam.wordpress.com Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their therapist directory? Sign this pitition! http://www.thepetitionsite.com/447/835/607/ask-psychology-to-add-consumer-re view-feature-to-therapist-directory/ I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help me by taking my survey! https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/m1ww2j1h0w1w045/ -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Arielle Silverman Subject: Re: [nabs-l] regarding emotional support Hi Sam, I think it's OK as long as it's a blindness list and the advertisements aren't too frequent. It's very kind of you to offer to talk with folks off-list too. Best, Arielle Silverman, List Moderator On 1/31/16, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Someone brought up a good point about emotional support being very > important especially if someone is going through a trauma. > > I have run an e-mail list for three years on this issue mental health > for the blind. > > I don't know if advertising lists is allowed so won't post the link > unless someone says it's ok. > > If it ends up that it's not ok and anyone is interested they can > write me off list. > > I also have a BS in counseling and am beyond that a good listener. > > Just my thoughts. > > Sam > > > > Check out my blog > > matterstosam.wordpress.com > > > > Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their > therapist directory? Sign this pitition! > > > http://www.thepetitionsite.com/447/835/607/ask-psychology-to-add-consu > mer-re > view-feature-to-therapist-directory/ > > > > I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help > me by taking my survey! > > https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/m1ww2j1h0w1w045/ > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nelsonsam68%40gmail.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From steve.jacobson at visi.com Mon Feb 1 02:31:54 2016 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:31:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice In-Reply-To: References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Elizabeth, I have not followed this entire thread, but clearly you are frustrated with some of the responses. Also, some of the advice you are being given is good long term advice, but obviously won't help you finish this class. Since you are already in this class, it seems reasonable to me to look for a way to complete it and then think about how you can best approach things in the long run. First, you can inexpensively purchase other voices for NVDA that you might find easier to understand, but I am not sure this is the time to try to learn a screen reader. There are concepts that are not hard to learn but cannot be mastered in a day to the point where you can work efficiently. Has anyone suggested that you try to arrange to work with a human reader to get through the rest of this class? Most colleges have offices that can assist you with finding a reader, and colleges are generally required to help you pay for readers. If you have a case opened with your state agency for the blind, they can sometimes pay for such help. In the distant past, I often was able to get the professor to make an announcement in my class. You might have to explain your circumstances if they are not well known as to why you need a human reader rather than technology. Please ask if you have questions about this. Also, please try to be patient with all of us offering advice. While blindness can be dealt with in such a way as to allow one to live a full life, there are multiple areas that require some thought and even learning. Exactly what would best help you is something I cannot say as I don't know your exact situation, but it is something that needs consideration as soon as possible. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Hello Karl, I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA. And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only answer. Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Dear Elizabeth, You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help for your test in two weeks. If you want to continue college though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you have to do. We can't do that for you. I wish we could, but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments. One thing you could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class in the fall. I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though. You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally. I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really do. I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything. I think you might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though. Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly intuitive. When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I couldn't make it work, but then it clicked. All you really need is to type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them. Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do can manage it. I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam! Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l Steve, the problem that Elizabeth had (and asked us all to stop discussing because we're not being helpful) is that she finds it very difficult to dictate the answers to essay questions to a reader and needs some way of writing them down so she can arrange her thoughts. Thus the suggestions to use Braille or one or another technological fix to help her write. She has also mentioned that she doesn't get support from any rehab agency. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Jacobson via nabs-l References: Message-ID: While it may seem confusing, everybody is right. You can, in fact purchase Eloquence for $65. There is also a link, where it, or something very much like it can be downloaded for free. Go to this link, http://jeff.tdrealms.com/NVDA.htm Then look for the section which says: Standard Eloquence Driver for NVDA Author: NVDA User Version: 0.20131116.02 This add-on adds support for the ETI Eloquence synthesizer. This does not contain autolanguage switching functionality. Download the standard ETI Eloquence add-on without autolanguage switching support here. There is a link to download the eloquence driver, be sure you get the one without autolanguage switching support. The other one caused my computer to always lock up. Dave At 12:29 PM 1/31/2016, you wrote: >Hello All, > >It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of >the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while other >people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the >NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in >order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is >free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you >able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on >was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different >information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can >explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would >greatly appreciate hearing from you. > >Thanks, >Elizabeth David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From lizmohnke at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 03:51:36 2016 From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 22:51:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I'm Done With This Email List Message-ID: Hello All, I am letting everyone know that I am unsubscribing from this email list and will not see any more messages people post to this email list. I just thought I would be kind enough to let everyone know in case anyone tries to direct a message towards me on here. I have had enough, and I am done with this organization. Thanks, Elizabeth From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 04:11:06 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:11:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? Thanks for any tips. -Greg > On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello all > Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. > ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. > If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) > Ashley > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> >> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >> >> --Christina >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Bryan: >>> >>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >>> install ChromeVox? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >>> via nabs-l >>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>> >>> Hello NABS, >>> >>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>> >>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>> >>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>> >>> >>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>> >>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>> http://www.chromevox.com >>> >>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>> >>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>> >>> >>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>> >>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >>> of accessibility. >>> >>> Go Devils! >>> >>> Bryan Duarte >>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 04:23:37 2016 From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:23:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes January 2016 Message-ID: Fellow Federationists, We're back again this month with the monthly NABS Notes. You will find them below and attached. If you have any questions or suggestions to improve the NABS Notes, please feel free to contact me; my contact information is in my signature below, so please do not hesitate to reach out to me with any thoughts that you may have. Happy reading! NABS Notes January 2016 The National Association of Blind Students -- A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind. In this edition of the NABS monthly bulletin: 1. NABS at Washington Seminar 2. The NFB National Scholarship – APPLY TODAY! 3. The NFB National Scholarship: Upcoming Membership Call 4. Let Your Voice Be Heard: Release the Regs Petition 5. Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Toolkit 6. NABS Monthly Blog Update 7. Help Needed: Blind Zoologist 8. State Updates 9. January NABS Board Meeting Minutes NABS at Washington Seminar Despite the weather, NABS was able to hold its annual Winter meeting, which featured presentations from students, information about the KNFB Reader app, breakout sessions, state reports, an encouraging speech from President Riccobono, and much more. We were also able to still hold our annual NABS Café, where we auctioned off some great items. This year, we held the NABS Café in conjunction with an NFB reception which was held just beforehand, and we appreciate everyone who came out to both events. NABS was thrilled to provide students in need with funding to help them attend Washington Seminar, and this program was such a success that we hope we can do so in the future as well. If you could not attend Washington Seminar this year due to the weather or other causes, you were missed, and we’ll catch you at the next one! The NFB National Scholarship – APPLY TODAY! Are you legally blind? Do you reside in the United States, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico? Are you pursuing or planning to pursue a full-time, postsecondary course of study at a U.S. institution in the 2016 scholastic year? Are you available to attend the entire NFB National Convention in Orlando, Florida from June 30-July 5, 2016? Are you eager to meet Federation leaders and network with some of the brightest, most passionate mentors out there? If you said yes to all of these questions, then we strongly encourage you to apply to our 2016 National Scholarship Program! To recognize achievement by blind scholars, the National Federation of the Blind annually offers blind college students in the United States and Puerto Rico the opportunity to win one of thirty merit-based, national-level scholarships ranging in value of $3,000 to $12,000. All scholarships awarded are based on academic excellence, community service, and leadership. Visit our website at www.nfb.org/scholarships to begin your application! Remember: applications, along with all necessary documents, must be submitted no later than March 31, 2016. Do not wait until the end of February to start gathering additional information and beginning the online form. The NFB National Scholarship: Upcoming Membership Call Are you interested in applying for an NFB national scholarship, but have some questions about forms, requirements, the application process, or the national NFB convention that scholarship winners attend? Then join NABS on February 28 at 7 PM eastern as we hear from a scholarship committee representative about all of the ins and outs of the scholarship application and program. Dial into the conference line to participate using the following information: phone number (605) 475-6700, access code 7869673. Come get all of your scholarship-related questions answered! Let Your Voice Be Heard: Release the Regs Petition It’s high time that all blind people have equal access to the Internet, and signing the NFB’s We the People petition will help us get closer to doing just that. In 2010, President Obama promised to ensure equal access for people with disabilities, by issuing regulations that will apply the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) to the web. While these regulations wouldn’t change the web directly, they will give guidance to webpage developers on how to make their sites accessible for all. Visit the following URL to sign your name: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations Share with friends, family, and colleagues so that the Internet can be accessible to everyone! NOTE: Once you sign the petition, your name will not be formally submitted until you receive an email confirmation. Go to the URL in the email to confirm your signature. Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Toolkit Equal access in higher education is an ongoing priority issue for the National Federation of the Blind. To better address blind students’ needs and to help prevent or mitigate access barriers, the NFB has created Version 1.0 of the Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Toolkit. You can view the toolkit here: https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education ] Please take time to review and share this toolkit, and provide your suggestions for additional content to Valerie Yingling, paralegal, at vyingling at nfb.org. Your feedback is critical in helping to make this a toolkit that best meets the needs of blind college students. NABS Monthly Blog Update In the beginning of January, we released a blog about the holiday celebrations we have at our NFB training centers. If you have not had an opportunity to read this update yet, no worries. It is never too late to have a little more holiday joy. You can check it out at http://nabslink.org/content/holiday-fun-our-home-away-homes . Stay tuned for our February post. If you have any blog ideas or articles you would like to submit, you can email Bre Brown at bbrown at nfbtx.org . Stay tuned for the exciting blog updates that February is sure to hold! Help Needed: Blind Zoologist Hello NABS. I have been asked by a colleague to assist in an effort to find blind individuals who study or work in the fields of zoology or animal science. This is related to an effort to stop a school from discriminating against a blind student wishing to enter this field. They need to hear from blind people who have experience to demonstrate that blind individuals can work in these fields. If you or anybody you know has work experience in any of the following jobs, please contact me, Sean Whalen, at nabs.president at gmail.com so I can put you in touch. This is very important and has major implications for the field of study or a young blind individual. Please contact me at your earliest convenience if you know anybody who has worked, or if you yourself have worked in these fields: Entomologist, Fish Culturist, Fishery Biologist, Herpetologist, Ichthyologist, Lepidopterist, Marine Biologist, Migratory Game Bird Biologist, Ornithologist, Protozoologist, and Wildlife Biologist (all these jobs fall under zoologist) or Animal Nutritionist, Animal Scientist, Beef Cattle Nutritionist, Dairy Scientist, Poultry Scientist, and Swine Genetics Researcher (all these jobs fall under animal scientist) Thank you very much for your assistance! State Updates All updates are printed below as they were received from their senders. Connecticut: We just recently held our first conference call for 2016. Topics discussed were events at Washington Seminar, fundraising with different supermarkets, how to get more people involved with the student devision, and how we can improve on using social media to remind people that we will be holding our conferences. Kansas: The Kansas Association of Blind students was proud to send four students to Washington Seminar, despite the rescheduled flights and weather. At Washington Seminar, we sold various flavors of nuts that are made in Wichita, and it was very successful. The Kansas Student Division is the home of 5 of the AIM HE Act letter testimonials, and we are happy to be growing our numbers, advocating for accessibility for blind students, and becoming a thriving student division. Maryland: Greetings from the snow-covered state of Maryland! We in the Maryland Association of Blind Students continue to form lasting friendships, recruit new members into the movement, and carry on the work of the Federation in various ways. On January 9, the MDABS Board conducted our annual retreat, in which we set goals and brainstormed ideas for the year ahead. We've decided that we want to recruit at least 10 new members by the end of the year, and our Membership/Communications Committee is already hard at work making sure we reach that goal. We're also working on a number of fundraising ideas, from a trivia night to a craft show to a talent competition, as well as a spring seminar on a to-be-determined topic. Finally, we had a strong student presence at our affiliate's Day in Annapolis, showing our state legislators that students too are passionate about our legislative priorities. Stay tuned to NABS Notes for more exciting news from Maryland. Do you want to get involved in MDABS's work? If so, please email mdabs at nfbmd.org. We'll be glad to help you get involved! Massachusetts: MASSABS had our 5th consecutive quarterly social at Border Cafe with 14 in attendance, beating last year's winter social by 4. This is particularly impressive considering the weather and the fact that many schools were not in session yet. We discussed legislative updates, upcoming state convention, scholarships, and elections. Speaking of convention, we are actively preparing our state convention agenda, registration should be up shortly. Our convention is February 26-28 in downtown Boston. Anyone and everyone is welcome. There will be a student seminar, business meeting, and yearly update during general session by the students, karaoke night, pizza and trivia night, and so much more. Nevada: Hello fellow Federationists! Some exciting community relations projects are finally coming to fruition. Down in our Las-Vegas group of students, we have held several events within the community, in order to increase our presence, and increase the retention of our membership. The most notable one is our, soon to be annual, ice-skating event–that is, we collaborate with a local ice rink, and invite out loads of people to come out and have fun. In our Northern Nevada group, we have been working diligently to receive official recognition from the University of Nevada. According to the University, recognition is eminent. When we receive this recognition, we will have opportunities to network with officials at the local and state level, interact with administrators at the University, and create an integrated environment within our chapter. North Carolina: NCABS was able to send two students to Washington Seminar, and we hope to send more next year when the weather is hopefully not an obstacle! On January 30 in Raleigh, NCABS, the Parents Division in North Carolina, and the Envisioning Youth Empowerment Retreat staff all collaborated to put on a seminar all about IEPs. We hope to do more informational sessions like this in the future so that blind parents and students are aware of their rights in the school system. Pennsylvania: PABS is thrilled to have sent 6 students to Washington Seminar from all across the state! We also collected 6 AIM HE Act testimonials ranging from a variety of institutions. PABS is working to increase its active membership, its social media presence, and are planning a student seminar for the spring. We are excited to move forward with these initiatives! January NABS Board Meeting Minutes Disclaimer: These meeting minutes were recorded prior to Washington Seminar. They were abbreviated on account of the previously planned board meeting to be held at Washington Seminar. Unfortunately, due to weather, that meeting did not occur. National Association of Blind Students Board Meeting Minutes January 17, 2016 Meeting called to order at 8:30p.m. Members Present: Sean Whalen (President) Candice Chapman (1st Vice President) Bre Brown (2nd Vice President) Kathryn Webster (Secretary/Treasurer) Hindley Williams (Board Member 1) James Garret Mooney (Board Member 2) Chris Nusbaum (Board member 3) Michael Ausbun (Board Member 4) Treasurer’s Report: Checking account: $4,413.58 Savings Account: $2,165.95 Committee Reports Communications:Holiday blog went out at the beginning of the month. We continue to increase our social media presence. Please get your states to send Hindley state updates. Fundraising: We raised $240 at the AppleBees breakfast fundraiser! We are awaiting news on the Chiptole fundraiser…stay tuned! We are funding 25 students to attend Washington Seminar, with the help from national’s match. Legislative: Final collection of letters for equal access to education. Please get collect as many from your states. Sign the whitehouse.gov petition regarding Internet regulations. Membership: Membership call for the month of February regarding scholarships. Meeting adjourned at 9:10 p.m. As always, please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions, concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in February. The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. -- Hindley Williams hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (443) 823-0867 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Notes January 2016.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 27663 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bjduarte at asu.edu Mon Feb 1 06:04:36 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 23:04:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey all, I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: > > I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. > > Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? > > Thanks for any tips. > > -Greg > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hello all >> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) >> Ashley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>> >>> --Christina >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Bryan: >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >>>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >>>> install ChromeVox? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >>>> via nabs-l >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>> >>>> Hello NABS, >>>> >>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >>>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >>>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >>>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>> >>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >>>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >>>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >>>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >>>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >>>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >>>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >>>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >>>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >>>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >>>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >>>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>>> >>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>> >>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>> >>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >>>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>> >>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >>>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>> >>>> >>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >>>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >>>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >>>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >>>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >>>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >>>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >>>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >>>> of accessibility. >>>> >>>> Go Devils! >>>> >>>> Bryan Duarte >>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 06:47:23 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 01:47:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A2F34ED-C94C-4431-9DFD-888066EAA48D@gmail.com> Hi Brian. This is Helga. Can you contact me off list? I want to ask yu some questions regarding Google applications and Google crom from with the Mac computer. Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: > > Hey all, > > I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. > • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. > • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. > • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. > • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. > > I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte > ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student > QwikEyes CEO > > > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >> >> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >> >> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >> >> Thanks for any tips. >> >> -Greg >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hello all >>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) >>> Ashley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>> >>>> --Christina >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bryan: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >>>>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>>>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >>>>> install ChromeVox? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >>>>> via nabs-l >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>> >>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>> >>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >>>>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >>>>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >>>>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>>>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>> >>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >>>>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >>>>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >>>>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >>>>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >>>>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >>>>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>>>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >>>>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>>>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >>>>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >>>>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>>>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >>>>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >>>>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>> >>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >>>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>> >>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >>>>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >>>>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >>>>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >>>>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >>>>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >>>>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >>>>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >>>>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >>>>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >>>>> of accessibility. >>>>> >>>>> Go Devils! >>>>> >>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 08:03:17 2016 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 03:03:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use Jaws 16 with Firefox and the google apps work relatively well when the screen reader accessibility key is enabled. Sometimes you have to alt tab out and then back into the window, but generally, I don't have any issues accessing sheets, docs, or slides. I've tried using the iOS apps and from what I remember, they were very user friendly as well. Minh On 1/31/16, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: > I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten > JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks > ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or > Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I > gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access > to sheets. > > Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? > > Thanks for any tips. > > -Greg > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hello all >> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found >> that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, >> for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google >> sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with >> chrome and chromevox. >> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please >> let me know. :-) >> Ashley >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>> >>> --Christina >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Bryan: >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has >>>> anyone >>>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it >>>> necessary to >>>> install ChromeVox? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan >>>> Duarte >>>> via nabs-l >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>> >>>> Hello NABS, >>>> >>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may >>>> not >>>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google >>>> applications >>>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical >>>> question. >>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise >>>> you >>>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>> >>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years >>>> that >>>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open >>>> Google >>>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we >>>> are >>>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once >>>> again >>>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but >>>> not >>>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which >>>> is >>>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and >>>> other >>>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has >>>> not >>>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader >>>> called >>>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in >>>> Chrome >>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if >>>> you >>>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to >>>> collaborate >>>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>>> >>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>> >>>> >>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your >>>> operating >>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>> >>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web >>>> browser. >>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>> >>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings >>>> tab >>>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>> >>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control >>>> Chrome >>>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>> >>>> >>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams >>>> and >>>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will >>>> press >>>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am >>>> using >>>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. >>>> Just >>>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a >>>> Google >>>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have >>>> to >>>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>> >>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to >>>> use >>>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the >>>> inconsistency >>>> of accessibility. >>>> >>>> Go Devils! >>>> >>>> Bryan Duarte >>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- Minh Ha Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From mabelin_r at hotmail.com Mon Feb 1 11:02:25 2016 From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Bishop) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:02:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello Message-ID: I'm going to be unsubscribing from this list, as it is cluttering up my inbox with emails. Just letting everyone know. I will still support NabsL, though. Regards, Mabelin From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 11:21:45 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 06:21:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice In-Reply-To: References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <016801d15ce2$bc230130$34690390$@gmail.com> Elizabeth, Since you are comfortable with Jaws, you may want to download the 40-minute demo option. Since you probably will need it for longer, you can simply save your test answers, restart the computer and boot up the demo again, with the help of a pper of professor or disability services. Though this is tedious and inefficient, it will allow you to work independently and on your own time. You can continue rebooting the trial run for as long as you need it. Kathryn -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:32 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Steve Jacobson Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Elizabeth, I have not followed this entire thread, but clearly you are frustrated with some of the responses. Also, some of the advice you are being given is good long term advice, but obviously won't help you finish this class. Since you are already in this class, it seems reasonable to me to look for a way to complete it and then think about how you can best approach things in the long run. First, you can inexpensively purchase other voices for NVDA that you might find easier to understand, but I am not sure this is the time to try to learn a screen reader. There are concepts that are not hard to learn but cannot be mastered in a day to the point where you can work efficiently. Has anyone suggested that you try to arrange to work with a human reader to get through the rest of this class? Most colleges have offices that can assist you with finding a reader, and colleges are generally required to help you pay for readers. If you have a case opened with your state agency for the blind, they can sometimes pay for such help. In the distant past, I often was able to get the professor to make an announcement in my class. You might have to explain your circumstances if they are not well known as to why you need a human reader rather than technology. Please ask if you have questions about this. Also, please try to be patient with all of us offering advice. While blindness can be dealt with in such a way as to allow one to live a full life, there are multiple areas that require some thought and even learning. Exactly what would best help you is something I cannot say as I don't know your exact situation, but it is something that needs consideration as soon as possible. Best regards, Steve Jacobson Best regards, Steve Jacobson -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:54 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Hello Karl, I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA. And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only answer. Elizabeth -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Karl Martin Adam Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice Dear Elizabeth, You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help for your test in two weeks. If you want to continue college though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you have to do. We can't do that for you. I wish we could, but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments. One thing you could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class in the fall. I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though. You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally. I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really do. I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything. I think you might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though. Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly intuitive. When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I couldn't make it work, but then it clicked. All you really need is to type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them. Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do can manage it. I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam! Best, Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l References: Message-ID: <002401d15cec$9d983410$d8c89c30$@gmail.com> Totally agree with you. Often times I receive over 50 e-mails within one day. It's getting crazy, and I may just do the same thing. It can be pretty frustrating because a lot of those e-mails could be sent to a person who asked a question instead of having everybody to be a part of the unnecessary correspondence. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mabelin Bishop via nabs-l Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:02 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Mabelin Bishop Subject: [nabs-l] Hello I'm going to be unsubscribing from this list, as it is cluttering up my inbox with emails. Just letting everyone know. I will still support NabsL, though. Regards, Mabelin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co m From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 12:59:27 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 07:59:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello In-Reply-To: <002401d15cec$9d983410$d8c89c30$@gmail.com> References: <002401d15cec$9d983410$d8c89c30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't disagree with you. You may want to consider creating another e-mail account solely for list serves and checking it whenever you have time. If you have an iPhone, you can easily delete the threads that don't interest you and read the ones that do. I find this to be a pretty good system. Just my thoughts. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l wrote: > > Totally agree with you. Often times I receive over 50 e-mails within one > day. It's getting crazy, and I may just do the same thing. It can be pretty > frustrating because a lot of those e-mails could be sent to a person who > asked a question instead of having everybody to be a part of the unnecessary > correspondence. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mabelin Bishop > via nabs-l > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Mabelin Bishop > Subject: [nabs-l] Hello > > I'm going to be unsubscribing from this list, as it is cluttering up my > inbox with emails. Just letting everyone know. I will still support NabsL, > though. > Regards, > Mabelin > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 13:47:49 2016 From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 08:47:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello In-Reply-To: References: <002401d15cec$9d983410$d8c89c30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Another option is putting your account on digest. Kathryn Kathryn C. Webster (203) 273-8463 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:59 AM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l wrote: > > I don't disagree with you. You may want to consider creating another e-mail account solely for list serves and checking it whenever you have time. If you have an iPhone, you can easily delete the threads that don't interest you and read the ones that do. I find this to be a pretty good system. Just my thoughts. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 7:32 AM, Anya Avramenko via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Totally agree with you. Often times I receive over 50 e-mails within one >> day. It's getting crazy, and I may just do the same thing. It can be pretty >> frustrating because a lot of those e-mails could be sent to a person who >> asked a question instead of having everybody to be a part of the unnecessary >> correspondence. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mabelin Bishop >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Mabelin Bishop >> Subject: [nabs-l] Hello >> >> I'm going to be unsubscribing from this list, as it is cluttering up my >> inbox with emails. Just letting everyone know. I will still support NabsL, >> though. >> Regards, >> Mabelin >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annita.co.usa%40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster.nfb%40gmail.com From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 15:43:33 2016 From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:43:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] some tech questions: Braille Note as display for laptop and a Word issue Message-ID: Hi NABS friends, I have some techie questions for you all, because let's face it, I'm just not the most tech savvy person, haha. First, Are any of you gurus with connecting your Braille Note to your Laptop to use it as a Braille Display? I keep getting a Braille load error message from JAWS and I can’t figure out how to fix it in the JAWS Braille settings. I’m trying to connect my Braille Note with a USB cable because I don’t think my laptop has Bluetooth capability. Second, does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with a scanned textbook in Word that has sections and column breaks that, when you are having JAWS do a “read all” with Insert down arrow, it repeats sentences or phrases incessantly? It is super annoying, not to mention a waste of time, and then when I arrow around to try to get out of that obnoxious read-all mode to stop it from constant repeat mode, it takes me to another section. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thanks everyone! Sarah -- Sarah K. Meyer Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (317)402-6632 The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality. From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Feb 1 15:48:32 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 10:48:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] some tech questions: Braille Note as display for laptop and a Word issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Sarah, I love tech but I'm not the most knowledgeable out there. I will try and help though. In order to use the BrailleNote with your laptop, you need a driver that you can download from the software section of the HumanWare website. Go to the braillenote page (for the braillenote you have), support, software. I believe this is how you get it or it is on a CD that came with your braillenote. (I have not done this in ages so I may be wrong but I am thinking this is how it works). Second, does your college have a digital text coordinator or someone that works with converting/formatting textbooks for students? You may want to see if he/she can format the book differently so it is easier for JAWS to read. Hope that helps in some way. Have a great day! :) Christina On 2/1/16, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l wrote: > Hi NABS friends, > > I have some techie questions for you all, because let's face it, I'm > just not the most tech savvy person, haha. > > First, Are any of you gurus with connecting your Braille Note to your > Laptop to use it as a Braille Display? I keep getting a Braille load > error message from JAWS and I can’t figure out how to fix it in the > JAWS Braille settings. I’m trying to connect my Braille Note with a > USB cable because I don’t think my laptop has Bluetooth capability. > > Second, does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with a scanned > textbook in Word that has sections and column breaks that, when you > are having JAWS do a “read all” with Insert down arrow, it repeats > sentences or phrases incessantly? It is super annoying, not to mention > a waste of time, and then when I arrow around to try to get out of > that obnoxious read-all mode to stop it from constant repeat mode, it > takes me to another section. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! > > Thanks everyone! > > Sarah > > > -- > Sarah K. Meyer > Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology > Ball State University > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate > sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com > (317)402-6632 > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, > hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 16:25:41 2016 From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 11:25:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] some tech questions: using Braille note as display and a Word issue Message-ID: Thanks Christina! Now that youmention this, I do remember someone frm our adaptive computer technology lab helping me download a driver from the Freedom Scientific website for the Braille Note; it just doesn't make sense that a few days after I did that it stopped working and I would need to do this all over again. Please note that I did the driver download a couple of months ago and am just now getting around to readdressing the issue; my memory isn't that far gone yet. :) I'll look for the driver on the FS website again, and I'll see if someone can work on reformatting my textbook as well. Thanks for the advice! :) You rock! I do wish I could navigate this format more independently/efficiently, so if anyone does have suggestions I am open to hearing them. :) Sarah -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Sarah, I love tech but I'm not the most knowledgeable out there. I will try and help though. In order to use the BrailleNote with your laptop, you need a driver that you can download from the software section of the HumanWare website. Go to the braillenote page (for the braillenote you have), support, software. I believe this is how you get it or it is on a CD that came with your braillenote. (I have not done this in ages so I may be wrong but I am thinking this is how it works). Second, does your college have a digital text coordinator or someone that works with converting/formatting textbooks for students? You may want to see if he/she can format the book differently so it is easier for JAWS to read. Hope that helps in some way. Have a great day! :) Christina From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 19:00:06 2016 From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 14:00:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] some tech questions: using Braille note as display and a Word issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3C0F561C-E6C2-4F4C-9CF6-970F0440A545@gmail.com> What version of JAWS are you using? I'm pretty sure 15 and later has them built-in. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 1, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l wrote: > > Thanks Christina! Now that youmention this, I do remember someone frm > our adaptive computer technology lab helping me download a driver from > the Freedom Scientific website for the Braille Note; it just doesn't > make sense that a few days after I did that it stopped working and I > would need to do this all over again. Please note that I did the > driver download a couple of months ago and am just now getting around > to readdressing the issue; my memory isn't that far gone yet. :) I'll > look for the driver on the FS website again, and I'll see if someone > can work on reformatting my textbook as well. Thanks for the advice! > :) You rock! I do wish I could navigate this format more > independently/efficiently, so if anyone does have suggestions I am > open to hearing them. :) > > Sarah > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hey Sarah, > > I love tech but I'm not the most knowledgeable out there. I will try > and help though. > > In order to use the BrailleNote with your laptop, you need a driver > that you can download from the software section of the HumanWare > website. Go to the braillenote page (for the braillenote you have), > support, software. I believe this is how you get it or it is on a CD > that came with your braillenote. (I have not done this in ages so I > may be wrong but I am thinking this is how it works). > Second, does your college have a digital text coordinator or someone > that works with converting/formatting textbooks for students? You may > want to see if he/she can format the book differently so it is easier > for JAWS to read. > Hope that helps in some way. > Have a great day! :) > Christina > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jpolansky.nfb%40gmail.com From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 22:41:21 2016 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:41:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Emotional Support and NVDA In-Reply-To: <4da254be.c276.4076.88db.0679da1306cc@samobile.net> References: <4da254be.c276.4076.88db.0679da1306cc@samobile.net> Message-ID: <145E40A5-52A7-4AB3-AB43-280D8C6B74A1@gmail.com> With system access, you can also use eloquence Sent from my iPod > On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Tony Sohl via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi this message is for Elizibith. My name is Tony Sohl and both mhy wife and I use system Access and it has a very clear voice and we don't know if this would hlep you right now with your situation but it's worth a shot. > > To get a free trial, visit: > http://www.satogo.com > > This uses the dec-tralk speech synthesizer and this might be helpful for you. > > -- > Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (NIV) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 1 22:53:07 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:53:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com><5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8ADCB837BC3740A6ACECACF4C126214F@OwnerPC> Hi, I use internet explorer. Last I tried, Google applications did not work with jaws. It simply read parts of the screen. So, does this work with internet explorer? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ashley via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 7:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: amc05111 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility Hello all Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) Ashley Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l > wrote: > > It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. > > --Christina > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Bryan: >> >> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has >> anyone >> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary >> to >> install ChromeVox? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Bryan Duarte >> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >> >> Hello NABS, >> >> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may >> not >> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google >> applications >> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical >> question. >> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise >> you >> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >> >> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years >> that >> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open >> Google >> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once >> again >> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which >> is >> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and >> other >> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has >> not >> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in >> Chrome >> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if >> you >> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to >> collaborate >> with your teams of sighted peers. >> >> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >> >> >> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >> >> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web >> browser. >> http://www.chromevox.com >> >> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings >> tab >> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >> >> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control >> Chrome >> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >> >> >> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams >> and >> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am >> using >> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. >> Just >> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a >> Google >> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >> >> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to >> use >> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the >> inconsistency >> of accessibility. >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte >> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Feb 1 22:56:21 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:56:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <578DAB88EE464953A7E043EE39C62A75@OwnerPC> Hi, nope, if its illegal, not a good idea to discuss its download. Anyway, I'm not clear whether its illegal or not. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Matthew Dierckens Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices Hi guys, just a quick thought, but should we really be discussing illegal software on this list? Eloquence for NVDA can be purchased for $75 from code factory. God bless. Matthew Dierckens Certified Assistive Technology Specialist Macintosh, IOS and Windows Trainer Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018 Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com > On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:32, Simon Bonenfant via nabs-l > wrote: > > hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can > get it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated > version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com > keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed > then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to > www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the nvda addons page link then click > the > link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it > and > your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to > www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and > their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps > and good luck > > On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use >> of >> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while >> other >> people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the >> NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for >> in >> order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice >> is >> free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are >> you >> able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on >> was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this >> different >> information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can >> explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would >> greatly appreciate hearing from you. >> >> Thanks, >> Elizabeth >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Feb 1 22:57:05 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2016 17:57:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility Message-ID: <56afe2d9.0af98c0a.4ea27.4661@mx.google.com> Hi, Yes. Works great. God Bless, Christina "Slow down. Just breathe. All we have is all we need...I'm not scared to lose it all when all I have is beautiful." --Icon for Hire ----- Original Message ----- From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l References: <578DAB88EE464953A7E043EE39C62A75@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hello all, since the topic of eloquence for NVDA has been a hot topic on this list I will try to make it clear from what I know, I have heard of the eloquence for NBA is somewhat illegal however I have heard that it is not as well I have downloaded and used both versions and I have not had a problem, however the reason I posted my earlier message, was to give Elizabeth a suggestion, I know it was not ideal but if it meant that she was able to take a test independently then it would be OK, hope this helps Sent from my iPod > On Feb 1, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi, > nope, if its illegal, not a good idea to discuss its download. > Anyway, I'm not clear whether its illegal or not. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Matthew Dierckens > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices > > Hi guys, just a quick thought, but should we really be discussing illegal software on this list? > Eloquence for NVDA can be purchased for $75 from code factory. > > God bless. > Matthew Dierckens > Certified Assistive Technology Specialist > Macintosh, IOS and Windows Trainer > Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140 > U.S. phone: 573-401-1018 > Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:32, Simon Bonenfant via nabs-l wrote: >> >> hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can >> get it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated >> version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com >> keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed >> then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to >> www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the nvda addons page link then click the >> link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and >> your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to >> www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and >> their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps >> and good luck >> >> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l < >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of >>> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while >>> other >>> people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the >>> NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in >>> order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice >>> is >>> free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you >>> able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on >>> was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different >>> information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can >>> explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would >>> greatly appreciate hearing from you. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Elizabeth >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 23:48:55 2016 From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 18:48:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, thank you for posting this resource, I to have a Mac and have struggled with the same things you were talking about, when you use chrome box, are the commands simple to use and are they like windows?, Do you get access to the whole chrome operating system or just the different applications, is the operating system similar to windows, thank you for posting this again Sent from my iPod > On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: > > Hey all, > > I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. > • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. > • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. > • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. > • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. > > I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte > ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student > QwikEyes CEO > > > >> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >> >> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >> >> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >> >> Thanks for any tips. >> >> -Greg >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hello all >>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) >>> Ashley >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>> >>>> --Christina >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bryan: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >>>>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>>>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >>>>> install ChromeVox? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >>>>> via nabs-l >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>> >>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>> >>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >>>>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >>>>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >>>>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>>>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>> >>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >>>>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >>>>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >>>>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >>>>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >>>>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >>>>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>>>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >>>>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>>>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >>>>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >>>>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>>>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >>>>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >>>>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>> >>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >>>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>> >>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >>>>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >>>>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >>>>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >>>>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >>>>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >>>>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >>>>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >>>>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >>>>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >>>>> of accessibility. >>>>> >>>>> Go Devils! >>>>> >>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From bjduarte at asu.edu Tue Feb 2 00:20:42 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2016 17:20:42 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Simon, Using Chrome VOX is very easy to use but the commands are not exactly like Windows. The list of commands can be found at the link I provided in the first email I sent out but basically you would move the VOX keys by pressing the CTRL + Command keys then using the arrows. Tab will also move the cursor as well as shift tab. The cool thing about VOX keys are they can move you by character, word, line, object, or group depending on how detailed you need to be when navigating. To change these levels of detail simply press VOX keys along with the plus sign and minus sign. For the most part I really only ever use it in object navigation but some times you might want to move to a by line or word navigation. As a note you do not need to use these levels of navigation in something like Google Docs as simply pressing the Option key plus the arrows will move you by word, and left and right arrows along will move you by character. This is only for when you are trying to drill down on objects like a link, button, or some other type of element which you wish to interact with more in detail. Yes I have a Chrome Book and Chrome VOX is running on it and I use the entire computer with nothing other than Chrome VOX just fine. Thanks for the question and I hope this helps. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > On Feb 1, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Simon Bonenfant wrote: > > Hi Brian, thank you for posting this resource, I to have a Mac and have struggled with the same things you were talking about, when you use chrome box, are the commands simple to use and are they like windows?, Do you get access to the whole chrome operating system or just the different applications, is the operating system similar to windows, thank you for posting this again > > Sent from my iPod > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. >> • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. >> • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. >> • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. >> • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. >> >> I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte >> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student >> QwikEyes CEO >> >> >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >>> >>> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >>> >>> Thanks for any tips. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, please let me know. :-) >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>>> >>>>> --Christina >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone >>>>>> tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its >>>>>> accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to >>>>>> install ChromeVox? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte >>>>>> via nabs-l >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not >>>>>> know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications >>>>>> at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you >>>>>> about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind >>>>>> individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>>> >>>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that >>>>>> they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google >>>>>> Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are >>>>>> getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again >>>>>> Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not >>>>>> telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is >>>>>> free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web >>>>>> browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other >>>>>> windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, >>>>>> Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not >>>>>> told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called >>>>>> Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess >>>>>> what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you >>>>>> would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate >>>>>> with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating >>>>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab >>>>>> and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome >>>>>> VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and >>>>>> communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press >>>>>> Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using >>>>>> the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just >>>>>> as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google >>>>>> Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to >>>>>> worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use >>>>>> Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency >>>>>> of accessibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> Go Devils! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Tue Feb 2 07:42:57 2016 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 07:42:57 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] question about paratransit in MA In-Reply-To: References: <01d101d15acb$192681f0$4b7385d0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: I live here. I can help you. Message me off-list, Will Have a good evening. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:24 PM, David Andrews via nabs-l wrote: > > We have several lists on the server, that are from Massachusetts, go to http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ to find them. > > Dave > > At 01:27 PM 1/29/2016, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> Awesome that I'm getting my stuff sent to the list. It was acting so weird >> last time. I think I had the wrong e-mail address. >> >> Anyway I have a question specifically to Massachusetts people about >> paratransit called The Ride there. >> >> I lived in MA all my life. Moved to Chicago in 2012 and am thinking of >> moving back to MA in a few years. >> >> I depend on the ride for all transportation except if someone drove me >> someplace. Do not want to debate the merits of being able to use public >> transportation over paratransit. But anyway so currently my parents are >> moving from Acton which didn't have the ride anway to some other town. Will >> sell our house maybe in may right now are just hunting around. May live >> with them should I move out there at least at first. >> >> There's this new crazy thing with the ride that happened right when they >> left. They raised the regular fee to $3 from $2 which is ok. Actually that's >> the fee in IL. Anyway they have this thing where if you go beyond a certain >> point in a particular area it's considered a "premium" trip and it goes up >> to $5 each way! Looked it up online was totally confused. >> >> Just need someone to explain how this translates to going between actual >> towns so I can give my parents an idea of what a good area would be so I >> can access things I need to access like mental health care volunteer work >> ETC without having to pay that fee if possible? >> >> Is it like done by town? Like if I lived in Arlington/ brookline/ Cambridge >> or whatever I could only travel in that town without the fee going up? >> >> Like I said any thoughts are good. If people want to reply privately as >> this is a pretty specific question that's cool as well. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Sam >> >> >> >> Check out my blog >> >> matterstosam.wordpress.com >> >> >> >> Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their therapist >> directory? Sign this pitition! >> >> >> http://www.thepetitionsite.com/447/835/607/ask-psychology-to-add-consumer-re >> view-feature-to-therapist-directory/ >> >> >> >> I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help me by >> taking my survey! >> >> https://samjess.wufoo.com/forms/m1ww2j1h0w1w045/ > > David Andrews and long white cane Harry. > E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Feb 2 23:49:51 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 18:49:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word and Mac Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone know if Microsoft Word works with a Mac and Voiceover? My teacher wants me to get word, but I remember hearing that Word doesn't work with Voiceover. Thank you. Mikayla Sent from my iPad From matt.dierckens at me.com Tue Feb 2 23:53:16 2016 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 18:53:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word and Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You don't need to get word, you can open word documents in both pages and TextEdit as well as save in word. Matt Dierckens Certified Assistive technology specialist Macintosh trainer Canadian phone: 5199629140 U.S. Phone: 5734011018 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2016, at 18:49, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi all, > Does anyone know if Microsoft Word works with a Mac and Voiceover? My teacher wants me to get word, but I remember hearing that Word doesn't work with Voiceover. Thank you. > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Feb 3 00:00:52 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2016 19:00:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word and Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A8C92FE-73A5-42F3-B0AD-A8B48E231EB1@icloud.com> I do that already. Maybe I should clarify. My teacher wants me to type my domumcont in Word. We were trying to do MLA citations today, and I had to fix the margins, which we could not figure out how to do. My teacher even tried doing it without Voiceover, and couldn't figure it out either. I was using Textedit. She said that she uses Word on her mac, and it is great for MLA citations. Would Pages have been better? Sent from my iPad > On Feb 2, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > > You don't need to get word, you can open word documents in both pages and TextEdit as well as save in word. > > Matt Dierckens > Certified Assistive technology specialist > Macintosh trainer > Canadian phone: 5199629140 > U.S. Phone: 5734011018 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 2, 2016, at 18:49, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> Does anyone know if Microsoft Word works with a Mac and Voiceover? My teacher wants me to get word, but I remember hearing that Word doesn't work with Voiceover. Thank you. >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 02:31:29 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 21:31:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00bf01d15e2a$fd79a460$f86ced20$@gmail.com> Does Chrome Vox work on Windows? Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte via nabs-l Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:21 PM To: Simon Bonenfant Cc: Bryan Duarte ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility Hello Simon, Using Chrome VOX is very easy to use but the commands are not exactly like Windows. The list of commands can be found at the link I provided in the first email I sent out but basically you would move the VOX keys by pressing the CTRL + Command keys then using the arrows. Tab will also move the cursor as well as shift tab. The cool thing about VOX keys are they can move you by character, word, line, object, or group depending on how detailed you need to be when navigating. To change these levels of detail simply press VOX keys along with the plus sign and minus sign. For the most part I really only ever use it in object navigation but some times you might want to move to a by line or word navigation. As a note you do not need to use these levels of navigation in something like Google Docs as simply pressing the Option key plus the arrows will move you by word, and left and right arrows along will move you by character. This is only for when you are trying to drill down on objects like a link, button, or some other type of element which you wish to interact with more in detail. Yes I have a Chrome Book and Chrome VOX is running on it and I use the entire computer with nothing other than Chrome VOX just fine. Thanks for the question and I hope this helps. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > On Feb 1, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Simon Bonenfant wrote: > > Hi Brian, thank you for posting this resource, I to have a Mac and > have struggled with the same things you were talking about, when you > use chrome box, are the commands simple to use and are they like > windows?, Do you get access to the whole chrome operating system or > just the different applications, is the operating system similar to > windows, thank you for posting this again > > Sent from my iPod > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hey all, >> >> I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. >> • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. >> • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. >> • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. >> • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. >> >> I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. >> >> Go Devils! >> >> Bryan Duarte >> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >> >> >> >>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >>> >>> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >>> >>> Thanks for any tips. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello all >>>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, >>>> please let me know. :-) Ashley >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>>> >>>>> --Christina >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just >>>>>> curious--has anyone tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on >>>>>> Windows? If so, has its accessibility improved in recent updates? >>>>>> In other words, is it necessary to install ChromeVox? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>> Bryan Duarte via nabs-l >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>>> >>>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of >>>>>> you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility >>>>>> to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not >>>>>> surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google >>>>>> applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>>> >>>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for >>>>>> years that they are building accessibility into their products >>>>>> but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google >>>>>> app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their >>>>>> lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess >>>>>> what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling >>>>>> it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which >>>>>> is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as >>>>>> our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it >>>>>> because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better >>>>>> with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still >>>>>> use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they >>>>>> have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX >>>>>> which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which >>>>>> guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your >>>>>> operating system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or >>>>>> settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>>> >>>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to >>>>>> control Chrome VOX >>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my >>>>>> teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open >>>>>> Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I >>>>>> use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then >>>>>> simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note >>>>>> Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc >>>>>> and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or >>>>>> needing to use Google applications but have been way to >>>>>> frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility. >>>>>> >>>>>> Go Devils! >>>>>> >>>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmai >>>> l.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.e >>> du >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gma >> il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Wed Feb 3 02:34:41 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 21:34:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <00bf01d15e2a$fd79a460$f86ced20$@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> <00bf01d15e2a$fd79a460$f86ced20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08FB6354-F3E1-4045-8DC2-2AC3C191DFBC@houghton.edu> Yes. It works well. --Christina > On Feb 2, 2016, at 21:31, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: > > Does Chrome Vox work on Windows? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte via nabs-l > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:21 PM > To: Simon Bonenfant > Cc: Bryan Duarte ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility > > Hello Simon, > > Using Chrome VOX is very easy to use but the commands are not exactly like Windows. The list of commands can be found at the link I provided in the first email I sent out but basically you would move the VOX keys by pressing the CTRL + Command keys then using the arrows. Tab will also move the cursor as well as shift tab. The cool thing about VOX keys are they can move you by character, word, line, object, or group depending on how detailed you need to be when navigating. To change these levels of detail simply press VOX keys along with the plus sign and minus sign. For the most part I really only ever use it in object navigation but some times you might want to move to a by line or word navigation. As a note you do not need to use these levels of navigation in something like Google Docs as simply pressing the Option key plus the arrows will move you by word, and left and right arrows along will move you by character. This is only for when you are trying to drill down on objects like a link, button, or some other type of element which you wish to interact with more in detail. > > Yes I have a Chrome Book and Chrome VOX is running on it and I use the entire computer with nothing other than Chrome VOX just fine. Thanks for the question and I hope this helps. > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte > ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > > > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Simon Bonenfant wrote: >> >> Hi Brian, thank you for posting this resource, I to have a Mac and >> have struggled with the same things you were talking about, when you >> use chrome box, are the commands simple to use and are they like >> windows?, Do you get access to the whole chrome operating system or >> just the different applications, is the operating system similar to >> windows, thank you for posting this again >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. >>> • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. >>> • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. >>> • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. >>> • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. >>> >>> I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. >>> >>> Go Devils! >>> >>> Bryan Duarte >>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >>>> >>>> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any tips. >>>> >>>> -Greg >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>>>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>>>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, >>>>> please let me know. :-) Ashley >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Christina >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just >>>>>>> curious--has anyone tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on >>>>>>> Windows? If so, has its accessibility improved in recent updates? >>>>>>> In other words, is it necessary to install ChromeVox? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Bryan Duarte via nabs-l >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of >>>>>>> you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility >>>>>>> to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not >>>>>>> surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google >>>>>>> applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for >>>>>>> years that they are building accessibility into their products >>>>>>> but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google >>>>>>> app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their >>>>>>> lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess >>>>>>> what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling >>>>>>> it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which >>>>>>> is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as >>>>>>> our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it >>>>>>> because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better >>>>>>> with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still >>>>>>> use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they >>>>>>> have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX >>>>>>> which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which >>>>>>> guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your >>>>>>> operating system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or >>>>>>> settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to >>>>>>> control Chrome VOX >>>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my >>>>>>> teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open >>>>>>> Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I >>>>>>> use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then >>>>>>> simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note >>>>>>> Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc >>>>>>> and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or >>>>>>> needing to use Google applications but have been way to >>>>>>> frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go Devils! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.e >>>> du >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gma >>> il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 03:19:09 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 22:19:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Something that I would like to share with you Mac Users! Message-ID: <5AE11BB9-8EA1-4254-9980-24B6F364F402@gmail.com> Hi all! How are you all? As the subject line says it all! I will like to share with you about a podcast from Apple Vis that explains to you how to create an specific commander in order to fast forward and rewind using the VoiceOver say all command. just to let you know, if you don't know if you want to go to Safari fast you can do option S, for mail, yu can do option M, and in order for voiceOver to tell you the time you can do option T twice. Those are commanders. The podcast that I will post the link below oly shows how to create the fast forward and rewind commanders. But if yu follow the same steps yu can create your own commanders for other things guys! For instance, I created my commanders. In order to interact with a item I have option apostrophe, to stop interacting, I have option comma, to turn off and on the track pad commander , I have option J, and for the screen curtain I have option c. By creating the screen curtain commander I odn't have to use the three fingers triple tap guys! I just find these interesting! I just wanted to share it with you guys! The link will be below in ordr for yu to listen to it! Maybe some of yu heard about this, but I just wanted to share it! Hope this helps someone in ordr to have a great Mac Experience! And if yu need help in setting this ups fo r you, just contact me off list and I help yu with that! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! http://www.applevis.com/sites/default/files/podcasts/AppleVisPodcast753.mp3 , Link, Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone From bjduarte at asu.edu Wed Feb 3 03:22:09 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 20:22:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility In-Reply-To: <00bf01d15e2a$fd79a460$f86ced20$@gmail.com> References: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com> <5C546F01-6BEF-46AE-BE07-A42EB6C6D184@houghton.edu> <632E849B-DBC2-4C71-9C62-CB2263C2289B@gmail.com> <5FA17778-E840-4685-B596-814544DE53E2@gmail.com> <00bf01d15e2a$fd79a460$f86ced20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Justin, Yes Chrome VOX only works within the Chrome web browser. Google Chrome is cross platform. which means it will run on Windows, Mac, and Linux. You can download the Chrome web browser and within Chrome you would install Chrome VOX. Hope this helps. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > On Feb 2, 2016, at 7:31 PM, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: > > Does Chrome Vox work on Windows? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte via nabs-l > Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 7:21 PM > To: Simon Bonenfant > Cc: Bryan Duarte ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility > > Hello Simon, > > Using Chrome VOX is very easy to use but the commands are not exactly like Windows. The list of commands can be found at the link I provided in the first email I sent out but basically you would move the VOX keys by pressing the CTRL + Command keys then using the arrows. Tab will also move the cursor as well as shift tab. The cool thing about VOX keys are they can move you by character, word, line, object, or group depending on how detailed you need to be when navigating. To change these levels of detail simply press VOX keys along with the plus sign and minus sign. For the most part I really only ever use it in object navigation but some times you might want to move to a by line or word navigation. As a note you do not need to use these levels of navigation in something like Google Docs as simply pressing the Option key plus the arrows will move you by word, and left and right arrows along will move you by character. This is only for when you are trying to drill down on objects like a link, button, or some other type of element which you wish to interact with more in detail. > > Yes I have a Chrome Book and Chrome VOX is running on it and I use the entire computer with nothing other than Chrome VOX just fine. Thanks for the question and I hope this helps. > > Go Devils! > > Bryan Duarte > ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > > > >> On Feb 1, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Simon Bonenfant wrote: >> >> Hi Brian, thank you for posting this resource, I to have a Mac and >> have struggled with the same things you were talking about, when you >> use chrome box, are the commands simple to use and are they like >> windows?, Do you get access to the whole chrome operating system or >> just the different applications, is the operating system similar to >> windows, thank you for posting this again >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >>> On Feb 1, 2016, at 1:04 AM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hey all, >>> >>> I appreciate your feedback both for the questions and comments. I will just say that I use a Mac predominately and even though Voiceover can interact with Google applications it is not easy to do nor does it work that well. Here are some examples of what I am talking about. >>> • When editing a google doc while collaborating with others, Voiceover will lose focus of your selection momentarily to speak their name if they cross into your selection area. >>> • When moving by character or word Voiceover is very sluggish especially when you are attempting to edit a line where someone else is currently editing. >>> • When navigating through the document by line some times Voiceover has a delay which causes it to tell you the line is blank when it is not. >>> • The most annoying thing for me is the interaction with the menu options. Although Voiceover can interact with the menus I have found it to take more time than necessary to do simple things like share a document, move it to a folder, navigate through the menu options in the file bar, or find out if accessibility mode is enabled. >>> >>> I am currently working on two large scale software projects with two teams of 4 and we use google applications for all of our teams documentation. Had I not installed google chrome and chrome vox I would not have wanted to use the google applications because getting by with a solution that is slow, unresponsive at times, and difficult to actually collaborate with is not helpful to me when working on large team projects. With Chrome and Chrome VOX I do not experience any of these issues and if you read the documentation for VOX you will see there are only a handful of commands needed to use Chrome VOX and they work great when interacting with Google applications. If using another screenreader when it sounds like most of us are already using two is an inconvenience, I completely understand, but I felt like it would be useful for someone who is using a Mac and would like to have a streamline experience when collaborating on a team using Google applications. I made the suggestion and if anyone has any questions or comments about using them feel free to reach out. If you are ok with Jaws and NVDA that is awesome and I am happy to hear Windows has a good solution to the issues I mentioned, but for now Voiceover is not well supported in this way in my opinion. Hope this helps you all understand where I am coming from. Have a great night. >>> >>> Go Devils! >>> >>> Bryan Duarte >>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> I would be interested in hearing more specifics of how people have gotten JAWS to work well with Google Apps. I tried to use Google Sheets a few weeks ago and was unable to get JAWS to read the spreadsheet, using Chrome or Internet Explorer or Voiceover and Safari. It has been a few years since I gave Chromo a try but I may check it out because I would like to have access to sheets. >>>> >>>> Has anyone had success using sheets specifically? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any tips. >>>> >>>> -Greg >>>> >>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 7:53 PM, Ashley via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello all >>>>> Yes, both screen readers work well with Google applications. I have found that this is true with the chrome and Firefox browsers. >>>>> ForJAWS, you must press a command to make the pages accessible; however, for NVDA automatically make things work. I have mainly used the Google sweet of applications with NVDA. I have also had some experience with chrome and chromevox. >>>>> If anyone has questions about any of the applications or browsers, >>>>> please let me know. :-) Ashley >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 19:17, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is not necessary. JAWS works great with chrome. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Christina >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2016, at 15:28, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just >>>>>>> curious--has anyone tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on >>>>>>> Windows? If so, has its accessibility improved in recent updates? >>>>>>> In other words, is it necessary to install ChromeVox? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >>>>>>> Bryan Duarte via nabs-l >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM >>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> Cc: Bryan Duarte >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello NABS, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of >>>>>>> you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility >>>>>>> to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. >>>>>>> Well let me provide you some information which may or may not >>>>>>> surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google >>>>>>> applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for >>>>>>> years that they are building accessibility into their products >>>>>>> but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google >>>>>>> app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their >>>>>>> lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess >>>>>>> what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling >>>>>>> it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which >>>>>>> is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as >>>>>>> our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it >>>>>>> because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better >>>>>>> with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still >>>>>>> use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they >>>>>>> have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX >>>>>>> which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome >>>>>>> but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which >>>>>>> guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to, >>>>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your >>>>>>> operating system Windows or Mac or Linux. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser. >>>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or >>>>>>> settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to >>>>>>> control Chrome VOX >>>>>>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my >>>>>>> teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open >>>>>>> Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I >>>>>>> use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then >>>>>>> simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note >>>>>>> Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc >>>>>>> and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or >>>>>>> needing to use Google applications but have been way to >>>>>>> frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Go Devils! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bryan Duarte >>>>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmai >>>>> l.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.e >>>> du >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sbonenfant2%40gma >>> il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 04:07:32 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 21:07:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Neuroanatomy Message-ID: We are looking at brain images on slides and cross sections of brains, and pictures of skeletal regions of the head and all that kind of stuff, in my neuropsychology class, but they are all just pictures. My professor has said he will try to find a model of a brain, which is good, but i am not certain that that alone will be enough for me to access all the information everyone else is getting from all these pictures. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions anyone can give me. Thanks! Anna E Givens From lily2011a at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 05:29:45 2016 From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2016 22:29:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Neuroanatomy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anna, I have a lot of brain models in my A and P lab at school. The brain models come apart. So that will be helpful. Otherwise, I will have to look through my tactile pictures and see if I have parts of the brain. I am pretty sure I do because we went over the brain in A and P 1 last semester. Please call me sometime tomorrow if you get a chance. I will get you what you need to borrow and deliver it to you on campus. Talk soon, Liliya On 2/2/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > We are looking at brain images on slides and cross sections of brains, and > pictures of skeletal regions of the head and all that kind of stuff, in my > neuropsychology class, but they are all just pictures. > My professor has said he will try to find a model of a brain, which is good, > but i am not certain that that alone will be enough for me to access all the > information everyone else is getting from all these pictures. I would > greatly appreciate any suggestions anyone can give me. > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Feb 3 12:38:21 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 06:38:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Neuroanatomy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Anna, A brain model will definitely be helpful. What resources are available at your college for making tactile pictures? That could also work. I am not sure if you are a Braille reader, though I veaguely remember you saying you are not but if you are, there is a book out there called "Anatomy Atlas" that has pictures of many parts of the body, including the brain! They are tactile, and parts are labeled in Braille. Actually, even if not are not a Braille reader, this might help you, because of the tactile drawings. It sounds like someone else on the list has stuff for you too. Either way, there's lots of options! Hope this helps! Kennedy Stomberg On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:29 PM, Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi Anna, > I have a lot of brain models in my A and P lab at school. The brain > models come apart. So that will be helpful. Otherwise, I will have > to look through my tactile pictures and see if I have parts of the > brain. I am pretty sure I do because we went over the brain in A and > P 1 last semester. > Please call me sometime tomorrow if you get a chance. I will get you > what you need to borrow and deliver it to you on campus. > Talk soon, > Liliya > > On 2/2/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > > We are looking at brain images on slides and cross sections of brains, > and > > pictures of skeletal regions of the head and all that kind of stuff, in > my > > neuropsychology class, but they are all just pictures. > > My professor has said he will try to find a model of a brain, which is > good, > > but i am not certain that that alone will be enough for me to access all > the > > information everyone else is getting from all these pictures. I would > > greatly appreciate any suggestions anyone can give me. > > Thanks! > > > > Anna E Givens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lily2011a%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 21:00:15 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 15:00:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here Message-ID: Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer able to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not sure what to do. My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sent from my iPhone From jlestermusic at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 01:07:41 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 19:07:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome. I hope you enjoy your time here. Thanks On 2/3/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. > I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to venture > onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. > I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer able > to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. > I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not sure > what to do. > My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I > need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was unable > to get my high school diploma at my regular school. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Thu Feb 4 01:21:27 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 20:21:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome to the list! I do not have much input on this topic other than what I have suggested to you but hopefully someone will respond soon giving you some guidance. Christina On 2/3/16, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > Welcome. > I hope you enjoy your time here. > Thanks > > On 2/3/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. >> I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to >> venture >> onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. >> I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer >> able >> to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. >> I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not >> sure >> what to do. >> My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I >> need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was >> unable >> to get my high school diploma at my regular school. >> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 01:33:31 2016 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 20:33:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> Hi Angela! This is Helga! How are yu? Welcome to the list!! I know what you mean about not having the equipment for college! I'm now in uNiversity and usually some colleges provide you with Braille, or large print or electronic copies of files of classes. If you want you can contact me off list and free to call me and I can tell you some ideas for college! I did advocate for my rights and if you want I can also help you with that! Do you have an iPhone? if so, you ca use that to email your professor your assignments. And regarding formulas for math, or math in General, I Frey give you formulas you can put the formulas in words, at least the basic formulas. And that's great that you are taking Hadley! Are you taking your course in Braile or online? Just wondering! I'm willing to help you in everything I can, just feel free to contact me ok? I'm totally blind. I actually became blind when I was 16 years old. I use Braille adn audio! To study! Now I'm 23 Yers old! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. > I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. > I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer able to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not sure what to do. > My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 03:45:29 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2016 19:45:29 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> References: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Angela, Welcome to the list! What classes are you taking right now through Hadley? And what equipment are you hoping to get? There are some Hadley classes in Braille and abacus usage that might help you gain the skills to do math without a lot of technology. Also, if you have a current case with VR, you can seta vocational goal that includes getting a high school diploma and going to college as steps toward your goal. If you document your desire to finish high school and go to college as being necessary for employment, then VR should provide you the equipment you need. You may also be interested in getting blindness skills training either in your home state or from one of our NFB training centers. We're all happy to answer more specific questions on what this training could give you. Best, Arielle On 2/3/16, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote: > Hi Angela! This is Helga! How are yu? Welcome to the list!! I know what you > mean about not having the equipment for college! I'm now in uNiversity and > usually some colleges provide you with Braille, or large print or electronic > copies of files of classes. If you want you can contact me off list and free > to call me and I can tell you some ideas for college! I did advocate for my > rights and if you want I can also help you with that! Do you have an iPhone? > if so, you ca use that to email your professor your assignments. And > regarding formulas for math, or math in General, I Frey give you formulas > you can put the formulas in words, at least the basic formulas. And that's > great that you are taking Hadley! Are you taking your course in Braile or > online? Just wondering! I'm willing to help you in everything I can, just > feel free to contact me ok? I'm totally blind. I actually became blind when > I was 16 years old. I use Braille adn audio! To study! Now I'm 23 Yers > old! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind > Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever > believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 3, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. >> I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to >> venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. >> I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer able >> to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. >> I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not >> sure what to do. >> My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I >> need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was >> unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. >> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 10:32:00 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 04:32:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88FFBE69-9117-48CC-8E4C-BC34C128E281@gmail.com> I'm taking Practical Math 1, American Government, and English Composition in Large Print, and Life Science online. I'm able to scan my work for most of my classes with KNFB Reader. The Practical Math is hard to scan, because of the way it's written, and the Math Symbols. I'm waiting for Hadley to re-open their Braille courses, so I can start learning Braille. I know Grade 1, but not Grade 2 Braille. I went to a local place for Independent Living Skills, that my VR paid for, but I had a lot more vision back then and I wasn't tought how to really do stuff without my vision. My VR put my goal at the time as a home maker, (whatever that is.) I have to have someone type up my Math assignment, so that I can zoom it on Microsoft Word in order for me to see it. My other Large Print books, I have to scan one Page at a time, and it takes forever!!! For those who asked, I'm in Indiana.Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi Angela, Welcome to the list! > What classes are you taking right now through Hadley? And what > equipment are you hoping to get? > There are some Hadley classes in Braille and abacus usage that might > help you gain the skills to do math without a lot of technology. > Also, if you have a current case with VR, you can seta vocational goal > that includes getting a high school diploma and going to college as > steps toward your goal. If you document your desire to finish high > school and go to college as being necessary for employment, then VR > should provide you the equipment you need. > You may also be interested in getting blindness skills training either > in your home state or from one of our NFB training centers. We're all > happy to answer more specific questions on what this training could > give you. > Best, Arielle > >> On 2/3/16, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote: >> Hi Angela! This is Helga! How are yu? Welcome to the list!! I know what you >> mean about not having the equipment for college! I'm now in uNiversity and >> usually some colleges provide you with Braille, or large print or electronic >> copies of files of classes. If you want you can contact me off list and free >> to call me and I can tell you some ideas for college! I did advocate for my >> rights and if you want I can also help you with that! Do you have an iPhone? >> if so, you ca use that to email your professor your assignments. And >> regarding formulas for math, or math in General, I Frey give you formulas >> you can put the formulas in words, at least the basic formulas. And that's >> great that you are taking Hadley! Are you taking your course in Braile or >> online? Just wondering! I'm willing to help you in everything I can, just >> feel free to contact me ok? I'm totally blind. I actually became blind when >> I was 16 years old. I use Braille adn audio! To study! Now I'm 23 Yers >> old! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! >> >> Helga Schreiber >> >> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind >> Students. >> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever >> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. >>> I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to >>> venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. >>> I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer able >>> to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular school. >>> I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not >>> sure what to do. >>> My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that I >>> need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was >>> unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. >>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From jlestermusic at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 15:10:06 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:10:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: <88FFBE69-9117-48CC-8E4C-BC34C128E281@gmail.com> References: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> <88FFBE69-9117-48CC-8E4C-BC34C128E281@gmail.com> Message-ID: Angela! Indiana is my home state! I sent you an E-Mail off list. I know that VR in Indiana isn't as great as it is how in Arkansas. Please ask about going to the WSB, )World Services for the Blind in Little Rock, AR.) i'm going to go back there in June for their College Prep program and start getting my Bachelor's at UALR in August. Thanks On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > I'm taking Practical Math 1, American Government, and English Composition in > Large Print, and Life Science online. I'm able to scan my work for most of > my classes with KNFB Reader. The Practical Math is hard to scan, because of > the way it's written, and the Math Symbols. > I'm waiting for Hadley to re-open their Braille courses, so I can start > learning Braille. I know Grade 1, but not Grade 2 Braille. > I went to a local place for Independent Living Skills, that my VR paid for, > but I had a lot more vision back then and I wasn't tought how to really do > stuff without my vision. My VR put my goal at the time as a home maker, > (whatever that is.) > I have to have someone type up my Math assignment, so that I can zoom it on > Microsoft Word in order for me to see it. My other Large Print books, I > have to scan one Page at a time, and it takes forever!!! > > For those who asked, I'm in Indiana.Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Hi Angela, Welcome to the list! >> What classes are you taking right now through Hadley? And what >> equipment are you hoping to get? >> There are some Hadley classes in Braille and abacus usage that might >> help you gain the skills to do math without a lot of technology. >> Also, if you have a current case with VR, you can seta vocational goal >> that includes getting a high school diploma and going to college as >> steps toward your goal. If you document your desire to finish high >> school and go to college as being necessary for employment, then VR >> should provide you the equipment you need. >> You may also be interested in getting blindness skills training either >> in your home state or from one of our NFB training centers. We're all >> happy to answer more specific questions on what this training could >> give you. >> Best, Arielle >> >>> On 2/3/16, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote: >>> Hi Angela! This is Helga! How are yu? Welcome to the list!! I know what >>> you >>> mean about not having the equipment for college! I'm now in uNiversity >>> and >>> usually some colleges provide you with Braille, or large print or >>> electronic >>> copies of files of classes. If you want you can contact me off list and >>> free >>> to call me and I can tell you some ideas for college! I did advocate for >>> my >>> rights and if you want I can also help you with that! Do you have an >>> iPhone? >>> if so, you ca use that to email your professor your assignments. And >>> regarding formulas for math, or math in General, I Frey give you >>> formulas >>> you can put the formulas in words, at least the basic formulas. And >>> that's >>> great that you are taking Hadley! Are you taking your course in Braile >>> or >>> online? Just wondering! I'm willing to help you in everything I can, >>> just >>> feel free to contact me ok? I'm totally blind. I actually became blind >>> when >>> I was 16 years old. I use Braille adn audio! To study! Now I'm 23 Yers >>> old! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! >>> >>> Helga Schreiber >>> >>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of >>> Blind >>> Students. >>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >>> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that >>> whoever >>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. >>>> I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to >>>> venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. >>>> I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer >>>> able >>>> to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular >>>> school. >>>> I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not >>>> sure what to do. >>>> My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that >>>> I >>>> need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was >>>> unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. >>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 15:18:46 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 09:18:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: <50A76B1C-CF56-4D64-BFF2-42A407A276FA@gmail.com> <88FFBE69-9117-48CC-8E4C-BC34C128E281@gmail.com> Message-ID: I did not get your email, Josh. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:10 AM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > > Angela! > Indiana is my home state! > I sent you an E-Mail off list. > I know that VR in Indiana isn't as great as it is how in Arkansas. > Please ask about going to the WSB, )World Services for the Blind in > Little Rock, AR.) > i'm going to go back there in June for their College Prep program and > start getting my Bachelor's at UALR in August. > Thanks > >> On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> I'm taking Practical Math 1, American Government, and English Composition in >> Large Print, and Life Science online. I'm able to scan my work for most of >> my classes with KNFB Reader. The Practical Math is hard to scan, because of >> the way it's written, and the Math Symbols. >> I'm waiting for Hadley to re-open their Braille courses, so I can start >> learning Braille. I know Grade 1, but not Grade 2 Braille. >> I went to a local place for Independent Living Skills, that my VR paid for, >> but I had a lot more vision back then and I wasn't tought how to really do >> stuff without my vision. My VR put my goal at the time as a home maker, >> (whatever that is.) >> I have to have someone type up my Math assignment, so that I can zoom it on >> Microsoft Word in order for me to see it. My other Large Print books, I >> have to scan one Page at a time, and it takes forever!!! >> >> For those who asked, I'm in Indiana.Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 9:45 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Angela, Welcome to the list! >>> What classes are you taking right now through Hadley? And what >>> equipment are you hoping to get? >>> There are some Hadley classes in Braille and abacus usage that might >>> help you gain the skills to do math without a lot of technology. >>> Also, if you have a current case with VR, you can seta vocational goal >>> that includes getting a high school diploma and going to college as >>> steps toward your goal. If you document your desire to finish high >>> school and go to college as being necessary for employment, then VR >>> should provide you the equipment you need. >>> You may also be interested in getting blindness skills training either >>> in your home state or from one of our NFB training centers. We're all >>> happy to answer more specific questions on what this training could >>> give you. >>> Best, Arielle >>> >>>> On 2/3/16, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Hi Angela! This is Helga! How are yu? Welcome to the list!! I know what >>>> you >>>> mean about not having the equipment for college! I'm now in uNiversity >>>> and >>>> usually some colleges provide you with Braille, or large print or >>>> electronic >>>> copies of files of classes. If you want you can contact me off list and >>>> free >>>> to call me and I can tell you some ideas for college! I did advocate for >>>> my >>>> rights and if you want I can also help you with that! Do you have an >>>> iPhone? >>>> if so, you ca use that to email your professor your assignments. And >>>> regarding formulas for math, or math in General, I Frey give you >>>> formulas >>>> you can put the formulas in words, at least the basic formulas. And >>>> that's >>>> great that you are taking Hadley! Are you taking your course in Braile >>>> or >>>> online? Just wondering! I'm willing to help you in everything I can, >>>> just >>>> feel free to contact me ok? I'm totally blind. I actually became blind >>>> when >>>> I was 16 years old. I use Braille adn audio! To study! Now I'm 23 Yers >>>> old! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! >>>> >>>> Helga Schreiber >>>> >>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of >>>> Blind >>>> Students. >>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 >>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx >>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ >>>> >>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that >>>> whoever >>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Feb 3, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, my name is Angela, and I'm new to this mailing list. >>>>> I'm currently attending The Hadley School for the Blind, and hope to >>>>> venture onto College once I Attane my High School Diploma. >>>>> I'm having a bit of trouble with my Math class, because I'm no longer >>>>> able >>>>> to read large print, and I also wasn't tought Braille in regular >>>>> school. >>>>> I'm currently losing what remaining vision that I do have, and I'm not >>>>> sure what to do. >>>>> My states VR program said that they can't provide me the equipment that >>>>> I >>>>> need, because I'm not in a post secondary educational program. I was >>>>> unable to get my high school diploma at my regular school. >>>>> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Thu Feb 4 16:29:51 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 08:29:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice In-Reply-To: <4B58A20C-208F-4426-8024-F793E68C2A51@gmail.com> References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com> <01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com> <9BF69E10-EF35-45AC-95DC-6637EBD03477@gmail.com> <4B58A20C-208F-4426-8024-F793E68C2A51@gmail.com> Message-ID: Morning, Jamie, Thank you!At 07:18 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote: >Ok. Why are you getting defensive and shooting people down for >offering you suggestions? Isn't that what you asked for? Be an >active part of the problem solving process. Help us understand your >strengths and weaknesses better so we can offer more ideas. Another >is to talk to your professor about an oral exam, either on a >recording evict or in her office. Yet another is to have your scribe >simply start the audio recorder that is built into windows for you >so you can record your answers, then stop it while you think about >the next question or when ever you're finished. Then you just save >that file for your teacher. You're probably going to accuse me of >assuming your disability services office would do that. But instead, >why not ask them first of they will. > >-Jamie > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it > will work for > > all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I > > cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen > > reader. > > > > Elizabeth > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Carly Mihalakis > > via nabs-l > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > ; > > National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Carly Mihalakis > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice > > > > Evening, List, > > > > That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my > > writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers > > in exactly that manner. And, it works well. > > CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote: > >> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a > >> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and > >> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the > >> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello Jamie, > >>> > >>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape > >>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have > > much of anything. > >>> > >>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I > >>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn > >> how to use a > >>> new voice that I simply cannot understand. > >>> > >>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even > >>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this > > email list. > >>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend > >>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was > >> definitely not what > >>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB > >>> is for everyone else besides me. > >>> > >>> Elizabeth. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie > >>> Principato via nabs-l > >>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM > >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>> > >>> Cc: Jamie Principato > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some > >>> Advice > >>> > >>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you > >>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help > >>> with > >> that. It's > >>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until > >>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas > >>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hello All,, > >>>> > >>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it > >>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is > >>>> going to change this for me. > >>>> > >>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly > >>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to > >>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my > >>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I > >>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream > >>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a > >>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor. > >>>> > >>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. > >>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would > >>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be > >>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an > > accommodation. > >>>> > >>>> Elizabeth > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com] > >>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM > >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>> > >>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some > >>>> Advice > >>>> > >>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all > >>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How > >>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need > >>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from > >>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. > >>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living > >>>> the life > >>> y want. > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPad > >>>> > >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello All, > >>>>> > >>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I > >>>>> really > >>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is > >>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all > >>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training > >>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to > >>>> be able to use them in a testing situation. > >>>>> > >>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not > >>>>> work for > >>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use > >>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already > >>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not > >>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it. > >>>>> > >>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used > >>>>> it > >>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I > >>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the > >>>>> vocational > >>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not > >>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really > >>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a > >>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have > >>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to > >>>> be able to > >>> do before my accident. > >>>>> > >>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not > >>>>> have > >>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just > >>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just > >>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my > > accident. > >>>>> > >>>>> Elizabeth > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40ic > >>>> lou > >>>> d.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40 > >>>> gma > >>>> il.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotm > >>> ail.com > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >> for nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma > >> il.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. > >> net > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 21:11:56 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2016 16:11:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] New here Message-ID: <56b3bead.9399810a.1e4bd.4af2@mx.google.com> Hi Angela welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I learned braille when I was very young. A home maker is a person who stays home and takes care of the house. After earning my Associate of Arts degree my VR counselor refused to pay for my Bachelor's degree. It is being paid for through funds from my financial aid. From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 4 22:05:46 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 14:05:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: <56b3bead.9399810a.1e4bd.4af2@mx.google.com> References: <56b3bead.9399810a.1e4bd.4af2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Angela. One comment: The VR counselor shouldn't be the one making your vocational goal, it needs to be your choice. The counselor can help you brainstorm, but he or she shouldn't be trying to make that decision for you. If your counselor set your vocational goal as a homemaker and that's not actually what you want to do, you can contact the director of the VR agency or at least find out who your counselor's boss is, and get that goal changed. The whole purpose of VR is to give you the resources you need to do what you want to do professionally. Of course, if you actually want to be a homemaker instead of getting a job outside the home, that's fine, but I got the sense from your email that that might not be what you want to do. Best, Arielle On 2/4/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Hi Angela welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I > learned braille when I was very young. A home maker is a person > who stays home and takes care of the house. After earning my > Associate of Arts degree my VR counselor refused to pay for my > Bachelor's degree. It is being paid for through funds from my > financial aid. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 02:46:38 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 20:46:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad Message-ID: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? From jhud7789 at outlook.com Fri Feb 5 02:58:38 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 02:58:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:04:22 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:04:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From jlestermusic at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:08:14 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:08:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: What generation iPhone is yours? Do you have a 6? On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act >> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later >> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the >> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software >> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or >> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment >> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and >> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting >> iOS 5.-generation. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS >> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the >> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do >> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:12:22 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:12:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25087D6E-F231-4C4A-9AEE-16C3EB072962@gmail.com> Josh, no. Note: Voice Dream Reader will not longer be updated for iOS 5. Because of the new devices with different resolutions being introduced, it is simply too difficult to continue to support iOS 5. If you must remain on iOS 5, Voice Dream Reader version 3.1.1 will continue to be available in the App Store. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:08 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > > What generation iPhone is yours? > Do you have a 6? > >> On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act >>> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later >>> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the >>> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software >>> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or >>> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment >>> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and >>> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting >>> iOS 5.-generation. >>> Joseph Hudson >>> Email >>> jhud7789 at gmail.com >>> I device support >>> Telephone >>> 2543007667 >>> Skype >>> joseph.hudson89 facebook >>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>> Twitter >>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>> FaceTime/iMessage >>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS >>> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the >>> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do >>> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Fri Feb 5 03:21:38 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 03:21:38 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is getting this 44. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 03:25:33 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 21:25:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have $100 to pay for the iPad too. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l wrote: > > You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is getting this 44. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: > > Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Fri Feb 5 03:51:45 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 03:51:45 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some equipment. For such as a JF W. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have $100 to pay for the iPad too. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is getting this 44. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:11:12 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:11:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm telling the truth. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l wrote: > > I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some equipment. For such as a JF W. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have $100 to pay for the iPad too. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: > > You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is getting this 44. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: > > Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. > Joseph Hudson > Email > jhud7789 at gmail.com > I device support > Telephone > 2543007667 > Skype > joseph.hudson89 facebook > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > Twitter > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > FaceTime/iMessage > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: > > Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From jlestermusic at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:17:32 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:17:32 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Most VR agencies won't. This is shameful though. Angela, please check out the link I sent you off list. They can help you get good deals on equipment. http://www.blindbargains.com Thanks On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > I'm telling the truth. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the >> postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your >> equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some equipment. >> For such as a JF W. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary >> education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have >> $100 to pay for the iPad too. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might >> be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work >> out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are >> affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are >> not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get >> you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is >> getting this 44. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > >> wrote: >> >> Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> > >> wrote: >> >> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act >> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later >> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the >> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software >> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or >> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment >> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and >> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting >> iOS 5.-generation. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS >> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the >> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do >> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From kestomberg at coe.edu Fri Feb 5 04:26:05 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:26:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: We definitely believe you! VR doesn't always do its job unfortunately. You should still get the equipment you need! On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 10:17 PM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > Most VR agencies won't. > This is shameful though. > Angela, please check out the link I sent you off list. > They can help you get good deals on equipment. > http://www.blindbargains.com > Thanks > > On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > > I'm telling the truth. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > > >> wrote: > >> > >> I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the > >> postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your > >> equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some > equipment. > >> For such as a JF W. > >> Joseph Hudson > >> Email > >> jhud7789 at gmail.com > >> I device support > >> Telephone > >> 2543007667 > >> Skype > >> joseph.hudson89 facebook > >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > >> Twitter > >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > >> FaceTime/iMessage > >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l > >> > wrote: > >> > >> My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary > >> education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have > >> $100 to pay for the iPad too. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > >> > wrote: > >> > >> You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I > might > >> be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can > work > >> out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are > >> affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you > are > >> not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get > >> you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is > >> getting this 44. > >> Joseph Hudson > >> Email > >> jhud7789 at gmail.com > > >> I device support > >> Telephone > >> 2543007667 > >> Skype > >> joseph.hudson89 facebook > >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > >> Twitter > >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > >> FaceTime/iMessage > >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that > act > >> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more > later > >> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the > >> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of > software > >> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or > >> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment > >> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people > and > >> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still > supporting > >> iOS 5.-generation. > >> Joseph Hudson > >> Email > >> jhud7789 at gmail.com > > >> I device support > >> Telephone > >> 2543007667 > >> Skype > >> joseph.hudson89 facebook > >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > >> Twitter > >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > >> FaceTime/iMessage > >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com > >> > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > >> > wrote: > >> > >> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS > >> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the > >> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do > >> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From kestomberg at coe.edu Fri Feb 5 04:52:09 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:52:09 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: <56b3bead.9399810a.1e4bd.4af2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Angela, I have nothing against homemakers, which are people who work in the home "tending house" as it were, rather than getting a job. In fact, my mom was a homemaker for most of my growing up years. However, being a homemaker assumes that you will be living with someone who will have a job, and will support you. (You don't really get paid for being a homemaker.) It seems to me that your VR councilor is making a lot of dicisions about what you can and can't do, and quite frankly, I am offended on your behalf! If you don't know what you want to do, that's totally okay! Heck, I'm in the second semester of my sophomore year of colleg, and I'm still fairly clueless! :) But I know that I don't want to be a homemaker! If you don't want to do this, then definitely make that clear to someone that is high-up in the agincy, like arielle said! Of course, if you want to be a homemaker, good for you! But I hope that that is your decision, and not VR'S decision. Okay. I'll stop ranting now. :) Good luck with your courses and learning Braille! Kennedy Stomberg On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi Angela. One comment: The VR counselor shouldn't be the one making > your vocational goal, it needs to be your choice. The counselor can > help you brainstorm, but he or she shouldn't be trying to make that > decision for you. If your counselor set your vocational goal as a > homemaker and that's not actually what you want to do, you can contact > the director of the VR agency or at least find out who your > counselor's boss is, and get that goal changed. The whole purpose of > VR is to give you the resources you need to do what you want to do > professionally. Of course, if you actually want to be a homemaker > instead of getting a job outside the home, that's fine, but I got the > sense from your email that that might not be what you want to do. > Best, Arielle > > On 2/4/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi Angela welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I > > learned braille when I was very young. A home maker is a person > > who stays home and takes care of the house. After earning my > > Associate of Arts degree my VR counselor refused to pay for my > > Bachelor's degree. It is being paid for through funds from my > > financial aid. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From jlestermusic at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 04:58:31 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 22:58:31 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] New here In-Reply-To: References: <56b3bead.9399810a.1e4bd.4af2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Angela, I can help you too. On 2/4/16, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote: > Angela, > > I have nothing against homemakers, which are people who work in the home > "tending house" as it were, rather than getting a job. In fact, my mom was > a homemaker for most of my growing up years. However, being a homemaker > assumes that you will be living with someone who will have a job, and will > support you. (You don't really get paid for being a homemaker.) It seems > to me that your VR councilor is making a lot of dicisions about what you > can and can't do, and quite frankly, I am offended on your behalf! > > If you don't know what you want to do, that's totally okay! Heck, I'm in > the second semester of my sophomore year of colleg, and I'm still fairly > clueless! :) But I know that I don't want to be a homemaker! > > If you don't want to do this, then definitely make that clear to someone > that is high-up in the agincy, like arielle said! Of course, if you want to > be a homemaker, good for you! But I hope that that is your decision, and > not VR'S decision. > > Okay. I'll stop ranting now. :) > > Good luck with your courses and learning Braille! > Kennedy Stomberg > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Hi Angela. One comment: The VR counselor shouldn't be the one making >> your vocational goal, it needs to be your choice. The counselor can >> help you brainstorm, but he or she shouldn't be trying to make that >> decision for you. If your counselor set your vocational goal as a >> homemaker and that's not actually what you want to do, you can contact >> the director of the VR agency or at least find out who your >> counselor's boss is, and get that goal changed. The whole purpose of >> VR is to give you the resources you need to do what you want to do >> professionally. Of course, if you actually want to be a homemaker >> instead of getting a job outside the home, that's fine, but I got the >> sense from your email that that might not be what you want to do. >> Best, Arielle >> >> On 2/4/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> > Hi Angela welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I >> > learned braille when I was very young. A home maker is a person >> > who stays home and takes care of the house. After earning my >> > Associate of Arts degree my VR counselor refused to pay for my >> > Bachelor's degree. It is being paid for through funds from my >> > financial aid. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Feb 5 22:10:03 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 17:10:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Angela, I have some ideas. An Ipod basically does the same thing as an Ipad and an Iphone, except you need the phone to call people and send SMS messages. Maybe your mom could buy you an Ipod as an Ipod might be cheaper than an Iphone. Also, you could use an old Iphone and just disable the phone feature. Please feel free to contact me off list, as I am in high school too. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Fri Feb 5 22:14:09 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 22:14:09 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Michaela, Grade point however, it might be better for her to have an iPad because of the usable vision that she has that's C I believe once to continue to use. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 5, 2016, at 4:10 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l > wrote: Hi Angela, I have some ideas. An Ipod basically does the same thing as an Ipad and an Iphone, except you need the phone to call people and send SMS messages. Maybe your mom could buy you an Ipod as an Ipod might be cheaper than an Iphone. Also, you could use an old Iphone and just disable the phone feature. Please feel free to contact me off list, as I am in high school too. Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > wrote: Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 22:18:19 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:18:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, An iPod would definatly do the trick. If your mom were to purchase an iPod for, you, make shore it's an iPod touch 5 or newer. The iPod 5 can run the latest version of IOS. hope this helps, Cullen Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 5, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi Angela, > I have some ideas. An Ipod basically does the same thing as an Ipad and an Iphone, except you need the phone to call people and send SMS messages. Maybe your mom could buy you an Ipod as an Ipod might be cheaper than an Iphone. Also, you could use an old Iphone and just disable the phone feature. Please feel free to contact me off list, as I am in high school too. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 22:18:43 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 16:18:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Angela, Beautiful name by the way. Wish I had it. Anyway, I have an iPad mini and I've found that that works extremely well. You could go that route as well. On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > I'm telling the truth. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the >> postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your >> equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some equipment. >> For such as a JF W. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary >> education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have >> $100 to pay for the iPad too. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might >> be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work >> out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are >> affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are >> not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get >> you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is >> getting this 44. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > >> wrote: >> >> Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >> > >> wrote: >> >> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act >> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later >> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the >> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software >> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or >> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment >> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and >> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting >> iOS 5.-generation. >> Joseph Hudson >> Email >> jhud7789 at gmail.com >> I device support >> Telephone >> 2543007667 >> Skype >> joseph.hudson89 facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >> Twitter >> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >> FaceTime/iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >> >> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS >> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the >> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do >> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 22:23:32 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen G) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 17:23:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <93266941-F9BC-41E2-B0CD-96AAC573FA38@gmail.com> Hi Kayla, Great point, totally forgot about the iPad mini. you may be able to find a good deal on an iPad mini 1 or 2. Cullen > On Feb 5, 2016, at 5:18 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi Angela, > Beautiful name by the way. Wish I had it. Anyway, I have an iPad mini > and I've found that that works extremely well. You could go that route > as well. > > On 2/4/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> I'm telling the truth. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not in the >>> postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not purchased your >>> equipment. Because I took some courses, and they paper me some equipment. >>> For such as a JF W. >>> Joseph Hudson >>> Email >>> jhud7789 at gmail.com >>> I device support >>> Telephone >>> 2543007667 >>> Skype >>> joseph.hudson89 facebook >>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>> Twitter >>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>> FaceTime/iMessage >>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>> > wrote: >>> >>> My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post secondary >>> education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. We don't have >>> $100 to pay for the iPad too. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >>> > wrote: >>> >>> You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. I might >>> be able to see about either getting one ready for you and then we can work >>> out how you can either pay for that. Or if I remember correctly you are >>> affiliated with division for blind services in someway correct? If you are >>> not you definitely need to get back with them, and see if they will get >>> you an iPad for your classes. Especially if that's what your mom is >>> getting this 44. >>> Joseph Hudson >>> Email >>> jhud7789 at gmail.com >>> I device support >>> Telephone >>> 2543007667 >>> Skype >>> joseph.hudson89 facebook >>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>> Twitter >>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>> FaceTime/iMessage >>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l >>> > >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that that act >>> is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to support more later >>> versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I went seven. That is the >>> farther back that I would go with this point as more versions of software >>> are coming out and it is hard to support older versions once new or >>> versions of IOS come out. I wouldn't want you to get a disappointment >>> experience when you go bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and >>> see if they can check with the developer and see if he is still supporting >>> iOS 5.-generation. >>> Joseph Hudson >>> Email >>> jhud7789 at gmail.com >>> I device support >>> Telephone >>> 2543007667 >>> Skype >>> joseph.hudson89 facebook >>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 >>> Twitter >>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 >>> FaceTime/iMessage >>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will have iOS >>> five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can use with the >>> operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of the option, but do >>> you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:55:27 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 11:55:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling Message-ID: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Hi, Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? Thanks, Amanda From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 16:59:11 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 08:59:11 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> References: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, it is fairly accessible. On 2/6/16, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: > Hi, > Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? > Thanks, > > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 (US), +91-9958499435 (India) linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From kwakmiso at aol.com Sat Feb 6 16:59:22 2016 From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 08:59:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> References: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DB4F826-0336-4E17-AC86-4D12600347C8@aol.com> Amanda, I haven't set one up but indicating and saving your availability on one that's already set up is accessible. Miso Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi, > Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? > Thanks, > > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kwakmiso%40aol.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Feb 6 17:19:26 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:19:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is very accessible in terms of being able to schedule your availability. I am unsure how accessible it is in regards to setting up the schedule though. Hope this helps. Dictated from Voice Dream Mail. On Feb 6, 2016 at 11:56, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: Hi, Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? Thanks, Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Feb 6 17:19:26 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 12:19:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is very accessible in terms of being able to schedule your availability. I am unsure how accessible it is in regards to setting up the schedule though. Hope this helps. Dictated from Voice Dream Mail. On Feb 6, 2016 at 11:56, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: Hi, Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? Thanks, Amanda _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From dandrews at visi.com Sat Feb 6 17:27:01 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 11:27:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Getting an first generation iPad In-Reply-To: References: <64699AB9-7F11-4E62-BDB6-3E7B9C2C7B6A@gmail.com> Message-ID: While how generous a state is, varies from state to state, and different states have somewhat different rules, the fact about whether or not they will purchase something has to do with whether or not it is in your IPE. If it is a part of your Individualized Plan for Employment, then they have to get it. If you need x or y to accomplish your IPE, then you have a better chance of getting it. So you have to make your case in a way that proves that you need a specific piece of equipment to accomplish the goals of your IPE. Dave At 10:11 PM 2/4/2016, you wrote: >I'm telling the truth. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:51 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > wrote: > > > > I just say this, but I don't believe that just because you're not > in the postsecondary program, that you're VR counselor, will not > purchased your equipment. Because I took some courses, and they > paper me some equipment. For such as a JF W. > > Joseph Hudson > > Email > > jhud7789 at gmail.com > > I device support > > Telephone > > 2543007667 > > Skype > > joseph.hudson89 facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > > Twitter > > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:25 PM, Angela via nabs-l > > wrote: > > > > My VR won't pay for my equipment because I am not in a post > secondary education program. The iPad that she is looking at a $60. > We don't have $100 to pay for the iPad too. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > > wrote: > > > > You're very quite welcome. However, I do have another suggestion. > I might be able to see about either getting one ready for you and > then we can work out how you can either pay for that. Or if I > remember correctly you are affiliated with division for blind > services in someway correct? If you are not you definitely need to > get back with them, and see if they will get you an iPad for your > classes. Especially if that's what your mom is getting this 44. > > Joseph Hudson > > Email > > jhud7789 at gmail.com > > I device support > > Telephone > > 2543007667 > > Skype > > joseph.hudson89 facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > > Twitter > > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:04 PM, Angela via nabs-l > > wrote: > > > > Thank you, at this time we cannot afford to pay for the newer iPads. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l > > wrote: > > > > Hello Angela, what great news. However, I'm not for sure if that > that act is supported in iOS 5, More developers are starting to > support more later versions of software. Such as IOS eight and I > went seven. That is the farther back that I would go with this > point as more versions of software are coming out and it is hard to > support older versions once new or versions of IOS come out. I > wouldn't want you to get a disappointment experience when you go > bug getting your iPad. I will check with people and see if they can > check with the developer and see if he is still supporting iOS 5.-generation. > > Joseph Hudson > > Email > > > jhud7789 at gmail.com > > I device support > > Telephone > > 2543007667 > > Skype > > joseph.hudson89 facebook > > https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 > > Twitter > > https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 > > FaceTime/iMessage > > jhud7789 at yahoo.com > > > > On Feb 4, 2016, at 8:46 PM, Angela via nabs-l > > wrote: > > > > Hello, my mom is buying me a first generation iPad which will > have iOS five. Does anybody know good educational apps that I can > use with the operating system? I know that KNFB Reader is out of > the option, but do you guys know if I could use voice dream reader with iOS 5? David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 18:07:48 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 10:07:48 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: References: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've had no problems responding to other people's Doodles, but when I tried setting up my own, I could not figure out how to select dates on the calendar. However, I didn't experiment with all the view modes, so there might be a different calendar view that's accessible. It is probably OK if you only have a few time slots you want to schedule. In my case, I was polling availability from 8-5 every day for two weeks, so that seemed to require some multiple date selection and I couldn't figure out how to do that with JAWS. HTH, Arielle On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > > It is very accessible in terms of being able to schedule your availability. > I am unsure how accessible it is in regards to setting up the schedule > though. Hope this helps. > > > Dictated from Voice Dream Mail. > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2016 at 11:56, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? > Thanks, > > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 18:26:43 2016 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 10:26:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of doodle scheduling In-Reply-To: References: <2B3D5A9D-C4B0-43E1-A0A8-BBCF4939635A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I have no problem setting up a poll. I choose to write dates in edit boxes rather than pick them from a calendar so perhaps the calendar is not accessible, I'm not sure. It is awesome! You can download a spreadsheet and quickly learn the time when the most people are available. If you're in a group, try to get them to use doodle as some alternatives like when to meet are not accessible. Cindy Bennett 2nd Year Ph.D. Student, Human Centered Design and Engineering University of Washington clb5590 at gmail.com Treasurer of the national Federation of the blind of Washington, an affiliate of the national Federation of the blind. > On Feb 6, 2016, at 10:07 AM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: > > I've had no problems responding to other people's Doodles, but when I > tried setting up my own, I could not figure out how to select dates on > the calendar. However, I didn't experiment with all the view modes, so > there might be a different calendar view that's accessible. It is > probably OK if you only have a few time slots you want to schedule. In > my case, I was polling availability from 8-5 every day for two weeks, > so that seemed to require some multiple date selection and I couldn't > figure out how to do that with JAWS. > HTH, Arielle > >> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> >> It is very accessible in terms of being able to schedule your availability. >> I am unsure how accessible it is in regards to setting up the schedule >> though. Hope this helps. >> >> >> Dictated from Voice Dream Mail. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 6, 2016 at 11:56, Amanda via nabs-l wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi, >> Has anyone used doodles with jaws to schedule a meeting? Is it accessible? >> Thanks, >> >> Amanda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 20:30:24 2016 From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:30:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Used Titanium (Electronic Health Records system) or MyOutcomes App? Message-ID: Good afternoon, I am writing to you seeking help and guidance regarding two accessibility issues that I am encountering in my counseling practicum clinic: 1) Titanium (an electronic Health records system) with the use of JAWS (version 17) on a PC computer running Windows 7; and 2) the MyOutcomes App and its associated measures (specifically the Outcome Rating Scale, ORS, and the Session Rating Scale, SRS) with the use of VoiceOver on an iPad as well as JAWS on a PC computer. I will provide some more information below but will do my best to not overcrowd this list, so if anyone has any experience with either one of these issues or any suggestions, please let me know; also, please let me know if you need further clarification. I have been working with my practicum supervisor and the director of our clinic as well as Disability Services to try to come up with short-termsolutions, and we are also planning to engage in an interactive dialogue with the developers of the MyOutcomes app to ensure accessibility from this point forward. Even so with the support I am receiving, this process of encountering these barriers has been extremely frustrating and exhausting in trying to come up with solutions when I could be spending my time studying, working on schoolwork, and preparing in more fulfilling ways for working with my first client. 1. In Titanium, I am somewhat able to navigate the system, but once I find a client, I am not able to add a phone note or any other note for that matter. I am also unable to read the information entered on the intake forms, which is a problem because I should be able to read through that information independently like any other counseling student would before his/her first session. Did I mention that I am seeing my first client early next week? So I need to be able to access this kind of information. 2. Our clinic has every client fill out two evaluative measures during every session: the ORS and the SRS. There are 4 questions on each measure and the client indicates their rating along a line ranging from values of 0 to 10. On the ORS, which is administered at the very beginning of the session in order to provide the counselor with information on the client’s functioning over the course of the past week, the questions have to do with how the client is doing interpersonally and in relationships, emotionally, etc. The SRS is administered at the end of the session and asks the client to indicate if he/she felt like his/her goals were addressed, if the counselor made him/her felt heard, etc. The idea here is that once the counselor sees this feedback, if there are any significant problems or evidence of rupture, the counselor can address it in the present moment before the client walks out the door before the possibility of client not returning. It was suggested by my supervisor’s supervisor that another clinic staff administer the ORS to my client while she/he is in the waiting room and then tell me the results before I go to get my client so I can address any concerning results at the start of session. Again, the same concept for accommodation was suggested for the SRS that someone would read me the results afterwards; however, in my mind this is problematic because I would not be able to address any concerns with the client unless she/he had felt comfortable to verbally bring them to my attention at the end of session before walking out the door. I think it will be my natural style to check in with clients at the end of each session anyway to see how we are doing interpersonally and to see how he/she is feeling about his/her needs being met and being listened to as well as other factors. But I can’t help but wonder if there are other accommodations, such as tactile versions of the scales and tactile methods of marking responses, to allow me real-time feedback and processing just like other counseling trainees. I have been playing around with different ideas in my mind and have discussed options with our adaptive computer technology lab, and the consensus is that it doesn’t seem like they can create a regular, standard print version of the evaluation forms (which were used prior to the app) with a tactile overlay. I thought about using wicky sticks to represent the lines and some kind of other material for the marks, but then I start to wonder if this would make clients uncomfortable to use such different techniques. Of course, they could still mark their responses with pen on paper and the responses would be entered into the app by clinic staff later. The ideal will obviously be for the developers to respond quickly to our request for compliance with accessibility and that I will soon be able to read and interpret my client’s responses and progress over time through the app. Thanks in advance for any feedback or suggestions. All the best, Sarah -- Sarah K. Meyer Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (317)402-6632 The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality. From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Feb 6 20:53:59 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 15:53:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible format of the restored bible Message-ID: <244BFB8D025E48D3970673D4FFDD969E@OwnerPC> Hello all, It would greatly help me to have an accessible copy of the New Restored New Testament. I’m in a Christianity class and do not have an accessible copy. My professor said my NIV version would be okay, but actually it is not. I’m missing the nostic gospels in my version as well as the study notes the other students use. I’m afraid I’ll not catch up to the class with my reader since she was sick. And no, I did not try getting an electronic copy through dss as I have had bad experiences with that; as I’ve said in the past, the pdf files were poor quality with jaws such as broken words and jaws often saying graphic at random times. So, if anyone knows where I can get a copy, let me know. Maybe coursesmart? For accessible I can do it in electronic format, braille, or daisy audio. Here is the text citation. The Restored New Testament: A New Translation with Commentary, Including the Gnostic Gospels Thomas, Mary, and Judas, Willis Barnstone (Norton & Company, 2009) Thanks. From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sat Feb 6 21:40:19 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 16:40:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Has Anyone Used Titanium (Electronic Health Records system) or MyOutcomes App? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sarah, I am sorry I cannot help with your question. I hope that someone with knowledge about Titanium from the counselor-side of the product can help. I have used Titanium before but as a client (my college Counseling Center uses Titanium). Thannks. Christina On 2/6/16, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l wrote: > Good afternoon, > > I am writing to you seeking help and guidance regarding two > accessibility issues that I am encountering in my counseling practicum > clinic: 1) Titanium (an electronic Health records system) with the use > of JAWS (version 17) on a PC computer running Windows 7; and 2) the > MyOutcomes App and its associated measures (specifically the Outcome > Rating Scale, ORS, and the Session Rating Scale, SRS) with the use of > VoiceOver on an iPad as well as JAWS on a PC computer. I will provide > some more information below but will do my best to not overcrowd this > list, so if anyone has any experience with either one of these issues > or any suggestions, please let me know; also, please let me know if > you need further clarification. I have been working with my practicum > supervisor and the director of our clinic as well as Disability > Services to try to come up with short-termsolutions, and we are also > planning to engage in an interactive dialogue with the developers of > the MyOutcomes app to ensure accessibility from this point forward. > Even so with the support I am receiving, this process of encountering > these barriers has been extremely frustrating and exhausting in trying > to come up with solutions when I could be spending my time studying, > working on schoolwork, and preparing in more fulfilling ways for > working with my first client. > > 1. In Titanium, I am somewhat able to navigate the system, but once I > find a client, I am not able to add a phone note or any other note for > that matter. I am also unable to read the information entered on the > intake forms, which is a problem because I should be able to read > through that information independently like any other counseling > student would before his/her first session. Did I mention that I am > seeing my first client early next week? So I need to be able to access > this kind of information. > 2. Our clinic has every client fill out two evaluative measures during > every session: the ORS and the SRS. There are 4 questions on each > measure and the client indicates their rating along a line ranging > from values of 0 to 10. On the ORS, which is administered at the very > beginning of the session in order to provide the counselor with > information on the client’s functioning over the course of the past > week, the questions have to do with how the client is doing > interpersonally and in relationships, emotionally, etc. The SRS is > administered at the end of the session and asks the client to indicate > if he/she felt like his/her goals were addressed, if the counselor > made him/her felt heard, etc. The idea here is that once the > counselor sees this feedback, if there are any significant problems or > evidence of rupture, the counselor can address it in the present > moment before the client walks out the door before the possibility of > client not returning. > It was suggested by my supervisor’s supervisor that another clinic > staff administer the ORS to my client while she/he is in the waiting > room and then tell me the results before I go to get my client so I > can address any concerning results at the start of session. Again, > the same concept for accommodation was suggested for the SRS that > someone would read me the results afterwards; however, in my mind this > is problematic because I would not be able to address any concerns > with the client unless she/he had felt comfortable to verbally bring > them to my attention at the end of session before walking out the > door. I think it will be my natural style to check in with clients at > the end of each session anyway to see how we are doing interpersonally > and to see how he/she is feeling about his/her needs being met and > being listened to as well as other factors. But I can’t help but > wonder if there are other accommodations, such as tactile versions of > the scales and tactile methods of marking responses, to allow me > real-time feedback and processing just like other counseling trainees. > I have been playing around with different ideas in my mind and have > discussed options with our adaptive computer technology lab, and the > consensus is that it doesn’t seem like they can create a regular, > standard print version of the evaluation forms (which were used prior > to the app) with a tactile overlay. I thought about using wicky > sticks to represent the lines and some kind of other material for the > marks, but then I start to wonder if this would make clients > uncomfortable to use such different techniques. Of course, they could > still mark their responses with pen on paper and the responses would > be entered into the app by clinic staff later. The ideal will > obviously be for the developers to respond quickly to our request for > compliance with accessibility and that I will soon be able to read and > interpret my client’s responses and progress over time through the > app. > > Thanks in advance for any feedback or suggestions. > > All the best, > > Sarah > > > -- > Sarah K. Meyer > Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology > Ball State University > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate > sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com > (317)402-6632 > > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, > hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:42:45 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 19:42:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools Message-ID: <56b6931a.c674810a.1ba58.380e@mx.google.com> Good evening Students, I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic. From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:47:12 2016 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 19:47:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Buyer Beware Message-ID: <01bd01d16141$15a57af0$40f070d0$@gmail.com> Dear list, On January 12 Jahmal Lovato posted to this list about a Braille Sense U2 he was selling. The price we agreed on was reasonable. I provided payment, but to make the long story short, the product was never shipped. I have taken steps to correct his lapse in judgment. That's something I can control, but I cannot control where he may attempt to sell the product again. I find it rather sad that one of our fellow subscribers would do this to a peer and disgusted that this forum would be used to run such a scam. My point is simply this: Please be mindful of what you purchase on the web, especially when purchasing from another individual. Use a credit card instead of a debit card, and always conduct the transaction with clear written terms of what you are expecting in exchange for your hard-earned money. I hope this is of some help to anyone considering purchasing from this list, BlindBargains or any of the various venues where expensive assistive technology can be sold. Regards, Joe From jlhodges4 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:49:18 2016 From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (jessica hodges) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 16:49:18 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56b6931a.c674810a.1ba58.380e@mx.google.com> References: <56b6931a.c674810a.1ba58.380e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <56B6948E.8040605@gmail.com> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in both public, and blind school settings. Hope this helps. Jessica On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Good evening Students, > > I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a > public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the > week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the > Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this > topic. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 00:57:45 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 19:57:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale Message-ID: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> Hey guys, Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask any questions or send money through paypal to this email address blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Thanks, Aaron Linson Linson Productions From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sun Feb 7 01:00:41 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:00:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56B6948E.8040605@gmail.com> References: <56b6931a.c674810a.1ba58.380e@mx.google.com> <56B6948E.8040605@gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then they should be transitioned into a public school where they finish thier education. Just my thoughts. On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there > as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of > education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in > life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe > that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach > self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and > experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue > that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students > the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, > make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no > exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the > sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to > sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I > struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, > trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't > stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could > have. > In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in > both public, and blind school settings. > Hope this helps. > Jessica > > On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> Good evening Students, >> >> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the >> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the >> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this >> topic. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sun Feb 7 01:14:19 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:14:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> Message-ID: What do you not like about it? On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: > Hey guys, > > Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I > thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask any > questions or send money through paypal to this email address > blindgeek1989 at gmail.com > > Thanks, > > Aaron Linson > > Linson Productions > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 01:16:05 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (blindgeek1989 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 01:16:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47176F4D8C16B524.1-c28d85a9-4489-41d0-84fa-5acd49e43d67@mail.outlook.com> How big it is. Do what you love and the money will come. On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 5:15 PM -0800, "Christina Moore via nabs-l" wrote: What do you not like about it? On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: > Hey guys, > > Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I > thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask any > questions or send money through paypal to this email address > blindgeek1989 at gmail.com > > Thanks, > > Aaron Linson > > Linson Productions > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 01:24:04 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:24:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> The watch is to big for my wrist. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina Moore via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Christina Moore Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale What do you not like about it? On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: > Hey guys, > > Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I > thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask > any questions or send money through paypal to this email address > blindgeek1989 at gmail.com > > Thanks, > > Aaron Linson > > Linson Productions > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% > 40houghton.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co m ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11566 - Release Date: 02/06/16 From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:12:48 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 18:12:48 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If that's the only problem, you can get the band resized at a jewelry store. I have tiny wrists, and did that all the time when I used to wear Braille watches. Arielle On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: > The watch is to big for my wrist. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina > Moore > via nabs-l > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Christina Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale > > What do you not like about it? > > On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I >> thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask >> any questions or send money through paypal to this email address >> blindgeek1989 at gmail.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> Linson Productions >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% >> 40houghton.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11566 - Release Date: 02/06/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:16:33 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (blindgeek1989 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 02:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47176F4D8C16B524.1-29d2320f-c196-49a2-80ce-62a777bd943d@mail.outlook.com> Yeah plus I just don't like the way it feels and operates. It's hard for me to tell the time. Do what you love and the money will come. On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 6:14 PM -0800, "Arielle Silverman via nabs-l" wrote: If that's the only problem, you can get the band resized at a jewelry store. I have tiny wrists, and did that all the time when I used to wear Braille watches. Arielle On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: > The watch is to big for my wrist. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina > Moore > via nabs-l > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: Christina Moore > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale > > What do you not like about it? > > On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >> Hey guys, >> >> Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I >> thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask >> any questions or send money through paypal to this email address >> blindgeek1989 at gmail.com >> >> Thanks, >> >> Aaron Linson >> >> Linson Productions >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% >> 40houghton.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co > m > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11566 - Release Date: 02/06/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:17:21 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 20:17:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Very true Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: > > If that's the only problem, you can get the band resized at a jewelry > store. I have tiny wrists, and did that all the time when I used to > wear Braille watches. > Arielle > >> On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >> The watch is to big for my wrist. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina >> Moore >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: Christina Moore >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale >> >> What do you not like about it? >> >>> On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >>> Hey guys, >>> >>> Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I >>> thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask >>> any questions or send money through paypal to this email address >>> blindgeek1989 at gmail.com >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Aaron Linson >>> >>> Linson Productions >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% >>> 40houghton.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >> m >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11566 - Release Date: 02/06/16 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 02:49:22 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 20:49:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Problem With Pairing Braille Note and Iphone Message-ID: <56b6b0c6.61bfb60a.7c27.1c53@mx.google.com> Hi All, I have a Braillenote Apex 32-cell and an Iphone 6. I like to pair them together, but for some reason am having problems pairing now. When I enter the pin when pairing and hit the pair button, it usually works, but now it keeps saying "Alert, connection unsuccessful. Make sure Apex 'serial number' is turned on and in range." I have made sure that Bluetooth is on on both devices, and resetting doesn't change anything. I have tried to forget the device and re-pair, but the same thing still happens. Does anyone have any idea of what could be happening? I am not doing anything differently from what I have done in the past. Thanks, Vejas From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:04:26 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 21:04:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Figured Out Prom with Pairing Message-ID: <56b6b44e.0569b60a.32b7.260f@mx.google.com> I found the problem to my Braillenote and Iphone issue and will write what happened because I feel like it would be useful for other people who have these devices. The Braille terminal port should be Bluetooth. When the Braillenote has had a hard reset, it automatically sets you back to USB client. If you change it you are good to go. Vejas From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:12:47 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6931a.c674810a.1ba58.380e@mx.google.com> <56B6948E.8040605@gmail.com> Message-ID: >From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of difference. In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be good or bad. The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around your own set, if you will. On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a residental > student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at the > school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance my > braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain > self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me to > do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole world > was different. My school was learning how to help me as they were > going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, but it > was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. > I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. > For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself to > classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an experience > of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then they > should be transitioned into a public school where they finish thier > education. > Just my thoughts. > > On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there >> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of >> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in >> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe >> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach >> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and >> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue >> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students >> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, >> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no >> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the >> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to >> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I >> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, >> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't >> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could >> have. >> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in >> both public, and blind school settings. >> Hope this helps. >> Jessica >> >> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>> Good evening Students, >>> >>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the >>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the >>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this >>> topic. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:29:10 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2016 21:29:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools Message-ID: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on much more meaningful reasons. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of difference. In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be good or bad. The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around your own set, if you will. On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then they should be transitioned into a public school where they finish thier education. Just my thoughts. On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in both public, and blind school settings. Hope this helps. Jessica On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: Good evening Students, I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo re16%40houghton.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:41:34 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:41:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It is a toss up. In public school, you're either insanely virtuous, extraordinarily amazing, or death-defyingly terrifying and students will go to hell if they think they're in your way. On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of > people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of > entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot > of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are > there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of > course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. > I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", > and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on > much more meaningful reasons. > Vejas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayla James via nabs-l To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of > difference. > In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people > will be > scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world > where > you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are > like > public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and > depending on > the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be > good or > bad. > The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, > you > name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around > your own > set, if you will. > > On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a > residental > student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at > the > school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance > my > braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain > self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for > me to > do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole > world > was different. My school was learning how to help me as they > were > going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, > but it > was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. > I believe both experiences have their advantages and > disadvantages. > For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove > yourself to > classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an > experience > of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then > they > should be transitioned into a public school where they finish > thier > education. > Just my thoughts. > > On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you > go there > as a residential student, depending on the school, and the > quality of > education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very > well in > life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I > believe > that a student should also have some public school exposure, to > teach > self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all > materials and > experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. > The issue > that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the > students > the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for > anything, > make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so > have no > exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside > the > sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my > third to > sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, > so I > struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly > in math, > trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also > didn't > stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I > could > have. > In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students > experience in > both public, and blind school settings. > Hope this helps. > Jessica > > On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Good evening Students, > > I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs > a > public school? I could not handle being away from my family > during the > week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at > the > Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on > this > topic. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo > re16%40houghton.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 03:59:04 2016 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:59:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of these schools? Danielle On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of > people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of > entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot > of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are > there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of > course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. > I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", > and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on > much more meaningful reasons. > Vejas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayla James via nabs-l To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of > difference. > In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people > will be > scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world > where > you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are > like > public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and > depending on > the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be > good or > bad. > The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, > you > name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around > your own > set, if you will. > > On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a > residental > student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at > the > school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance > my > braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain > self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for > me to > do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole > world > was different. My school was learning how to help me as they > were > going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, > but it > was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. > I believe both experiences have their advantages and > disadvantages. > For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove > yourself to > classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an > experience > of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then > they > should be transitioned into a public school where they finish > thier > education. > Just my thoughts. > > On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you > go there > as a residential student, depending on the school, and the > quality of > education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very > well in > life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I > believe > that a student should also have some public school exposure, to > teach > self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all > materials and > experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. > The issue > that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the > students > the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for > anything, > make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so > have no > exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside > the > sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my > third to > sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, > so I > struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly > in math, > trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also > didn't > stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I > could > have. > In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students > experience in > both public, and blind school settings. > Hope this helps. > Jessica > > On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Good evening Students, > > I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs > a > public school? I could not handle being away from my family > during the > week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at > the > Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on > this > topic. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo > re16%40houghton.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 04:10:06 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:10:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Danielle, you took the words right out of my mouth. I applaud you.:) But there is one thing I'm grateful for when it comes to attending a blind school. I am grateful for the friends I made and some of the teachers I admire, especially my English teacher, who treated me and everyone else normally and like we were the transitioning into college students that we were. And for that, God bless her. But to everything else, I agree.The results of this are, however, I've been so out of it (because I hadn't attended any public school since 2010, and haven't really gone to any school with my blind and VI friends as backup), college now is terrifying. Even if it is community college, because I'm the only one on campus who is blind. It's scary and yes, I have to put my advocacy skills to work--and I do mean work--but I have to do it. That's another thing with the state blind schools and public ones. At my state's blind school, when we did college, all the paperwork like transcripts, etc., was sent from our blind school to the college. Writing for scholarships was easier because our verifiers like counselors and such were there. At public school, you had better learn to communicate and to find the right people for everything and stay on top of things. On 2/6/16, Danielle Sykora via nabs-l wrote: > As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful > that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at > times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though > most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an > unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long > ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is > how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among > blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an > overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I > don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm > perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" > comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit > compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense > of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I > needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not > sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For > example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of > these schools? > > Danielle > > On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >> much more meaningful reasons. >> Vejas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >> difference. >> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >> will be >> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >> where >> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >> like >> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >> depending on >> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >> good or >> bad. >> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >> you >> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >> your own >> set, if you will. >> >> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >> residental >> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >> the >> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >> my >> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >> me to >> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >> world >> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >> were >> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >> but it >> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >> disadvantages. >> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >> yourself to >> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >> experience >> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >> they >> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >> thier >> education. >> Just my thoughts. >> >> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >> go there >> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >> quality of >> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >> well in >> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >> believe >> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >> teach >> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >> materials and >> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >> The issue >> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >> students >> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >> anything, >> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >> have no >> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >> the >> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >> third to >> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >> so I >> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >> in math, >> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >> didn't >> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >> could >> have. >> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >> experience in >> both public, and blind school settings. >> Hope this helps. >> Jessica >> >> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> Good evening Students, >> >> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >> a >> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >> during the >> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >> the >> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >> this >> topic. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >> re16%40houghton.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 04:47:24 2016 From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 22:47:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Cc: "Danielle Sykora" Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful > that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at > times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though > most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an > unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long > ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is > how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among > blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an > overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I > don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm > perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" > comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit > compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense > of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I > needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not > sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For > example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of > these schools? > > Danielle > > On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >> much more meaningful reasons. >> Vejas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >> difference. >> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >> will be >> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >> where >> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >> like >> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >> depending on >> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >> good or >> bad. >> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >> you >> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >> your own >> set, if you will. >> >> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >> residental >> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >> the >> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >> my >> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >> me to >> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >> world >> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >> were >> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >> but it >> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >> disadvantages. >> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >> yourself to >> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >> experience >> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >> they >> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >> thier >> education. >> Just my thoughts. >> >> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >> go there >> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >> quality of >> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >> well in >> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >> believe >> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >> teach >> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >> materials and >> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >> The issue >> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >> students >> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >> anything, >> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >> have no >> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >> the >> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >> third to >> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >> so I >> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >> in math, >> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >> didn't >> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >> could >> have. >> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >> experience in >> both public, and blind school settings. >> Hope this helps. >> Jessica >> >> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> Good evening Students, >> >> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >> a >> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >> during the >> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >> the >> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >> this >> topic. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >> re16%40houghton.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 05:11:49 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 23:11:49 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> Message-ID: Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: > Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" > comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > >> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful >> that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at >> times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though >> most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an >> unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long >> ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is >> how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among >> blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an >> overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I >> don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm >> perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense >> of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I >> needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not >> sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For >> example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of >> these schools? >> >> Danielle >> >> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >>> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >>> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>> much more meaningful reasons. >>> Vejas >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>> difference. >>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>> will be >>> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>> where >>> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>> like >>> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>> depending on >>> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >>> good or >>> bad. >>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>> you >>> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>> your own >>> set, if you will. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>> residental >>> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >>> the >>> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >>> my >>> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >>> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>> me to >>> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>> world >>> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>> were >>> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >>> but it >>> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>> disadvantages. >>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >>> yourself to >>> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>> experience >>> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >>> they >>> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >>> thier >>> education. >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >>> go there >>> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>> quality of >>> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >>> well in >>> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >>> believe >>> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >>> teach >>> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >>> materials and >>> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>> The issue >>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>> students >>> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >>> anything, >>> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >>> have no >>> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >>> the >>> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >>> third to >>> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >>> so I >>> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >>> in math, >>> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >>> didn't >>> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >>> could >>> have. >>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>> experience in >>> both public, and blind school settings. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Jessica >>> >>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>> Good evening Students, >>> >>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >>> a >>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >>> during the >>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >>> the >>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >>> this >>> topic. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>> re16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>> tion%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From gallagher123123 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 05:23:17 2016 From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 00:23:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> Message-ID: <5C4BC903-DB78-4057-B585-F6F7D04B0D47@gmail.com> Hi Roanna, I have been attending Perkins school for the Blind since I was about 6 months old. It's ok, but I wish I had the public school experience. I have never set foot in a public school classroom. The biggest complaint I have about Perkins is the lendth of their school day. The day starts at 8:10 and ends at 4. Most days, I end up leaving at 5 because of extra activitys I am involved in. It's such a long day. I do not live at the school, and I am very glad I don't. I'm curious, does anyone else on this list attend a blind school, and what is your experience like? How long are your days there? Sometimes, I wish I had the nice short days my local high school has. Their days and at 2:45, and that makes me so jealous leaving at five. Those are just my thoughts, Cullen Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:47 PM, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: > > Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > >> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful >> that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at >> times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though >> most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an >> unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long >> ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is >> how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among >> blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an >> overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I >> don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm >> perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense >> of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I >> needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not >> sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For >> example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of >> these schools? >> >> Danielle >> >>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >>> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >>> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>> much more meaningful reasons. >>> Vejas >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>> difference. >>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>> will be >>> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>> where >>> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>> like >>> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>> depending on >>> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >>> good or >>> bad. >>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>> you >>> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>> your own >>> set, if you will. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>> residental >>> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >>> the >>> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >>> my >>> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >>> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>> me to >>> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>> world >>> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>> were >>> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >>> but it >>> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>> disadvantages. >>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >>> yourself to >>> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>> experience >>> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >>> they >>> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >>> thier >>> education. >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >>> go there >>> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>> quality of >>> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >>> well in >>> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >>> believe >>> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >>> teach >>> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >>> materials and >>> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>> The issue >>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>> students >>> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >>> anything, >>> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >>> have no >>> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >>> the >>> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >>> third to >>> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >>> so I >>> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >>> in math, >>> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >>> didn't >>> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >>> could >>> have. >>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>> experience in >>> both public, and blind school settings. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Jessica >>> >>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>> Good evening Students, >>> >>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >>> a >>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >>> during the >>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >>> the >>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >>> this >>> topic. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>> re16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>> tion%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gallagher123123%40gmail.com From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:11:16 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:11:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Off list Communication. Message-ID: Dear Students, I'm writing to request that if you'd wish to talk to me off list, that you ask me first. I don't mind if we talk on here, but please ask before emailing or iMessaging me first. Thanks, Angela Sent from my iPhone From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:31:35 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:31:35 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> Message-ID: <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare them for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can one develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having to fight for it? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! > >> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> >>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful >>> that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at >>> times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though >>> most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an >>> unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long >>> ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is >>> how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among >>> blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an >>> overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I >>> don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm >>> perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense >>> of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I >>> needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not >>> sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For >>> example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of >>> these schools? >>> >>> Danielle >>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >>>> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>>> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >>>> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>> Vejas >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>> difference. >>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>>> will be >>>> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>> where >>>> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>> like >>>> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>> depending on >>>> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >>>> good or >>>> bad. >>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>> you >>>> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>> your own >>>> set, if you will. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>> residental >>>> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >>>> the >>>> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >>>> my >>>> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >>>> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>>> me to >>>> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>> world >>>> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>> were >>>> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >>>> but it >>>> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>>> disadvantages. >>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >>>> yourself to >>>> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>> experience >>>> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >>>> they >>>> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >>>> thier >>>> education. >>>> Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >>>> go there >>>> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>> quality of >>>> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >>>> well in >>>> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >>>> believe >>>> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >>>> teach >>>> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >>>> materials and >>>> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>> The issue >>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>> students >>>> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >>>> anything, >>>> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >>>> have no >>>> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >>>> the >>>> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >>>> third to >>>> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >>>> so I >>>> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >>>> in math, >>>> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >>>> didn't >>>> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >>>> could >>>> have. >>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>> experience in >>>> both public, and blind school settings. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> Jessica >>>> >>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Good evening Students, >>>> >>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >>>> a >>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >>>> during the >>>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >>>> the >>>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >>>> this >>>> topic. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>> info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:44:48 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:44:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right on, Angela. Let's just face it, people. Blind schools--just say no. You'll do fine in public school, people. Just get a DHS counselor and find a blind organization with some friends your age and make friends with the sighted people. They won't kill you, I promise.:) On 2/7/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare them > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can one > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having > to fight for it? > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful >>>> that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at >>>> times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though >>>> most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an >>>> unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long >>>> ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is >>>> how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among >>>> blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an >>>> overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I >>>> don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm >>>> perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense >>>> of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I >>>> needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not >>>> sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For >>>> example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of >>>> these schools? >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >>>>> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>>>> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >>>>> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>> Vejas >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>> difference. >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>>>> will be >>>>> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>> where >>>>> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>> like >>>>> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>> depending on >>>>> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >>>>> good or >>>>> bad. >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>> you >>>>> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>> your own >>>>> set, if you will. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>> residental >>>>> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >>>>> the >>>>> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >>>>> my >>>>> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >>>>> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>>>> me to >>>>> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>> world >>>>> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>> were >>>>> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >>>>> but it >>>>> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>>>> disadvantages. >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >>>>> yourself to >>>>> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>> experience >>>>> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >>>>> they >>>>> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >>>>> thier >>>>> education. >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >>>>> go there >>>>> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>> quality of >>>>> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >>>>> well in >>>>> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >>>>> believe >>>>> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >>>>> teach >>>>> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >>>>> materials and >>>>> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>> The issue >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>> students >>>>> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >>>>> anything, >>>>> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >>>>> have no >>>>> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >>>>> the >>>>> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >>>>> third to >>>>> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >>>>> so I >>>>> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >>>>> in math, >>>>> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >>>>> didn't >>>>> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >>>>> could >>>>> have. >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>> experience in >>>>> both public, and blind school settings. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> Jessica >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >>>>> a >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >>>>> during the >>>>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >>>>> the >>>>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >>>>> this >>>>> topic. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>> info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From jlestermusic at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 14:49:53 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 08:49:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > Right on, Angela. Let's just face it, people. Blind schools--just say > no. You'll do fine in public school, people. Just get a DHS counselor > and find a blind organization with some friends your age and make > friends with the sighted people. > They won't kill you, I promise.:) > > On 2/7/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: >> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >> them >> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >> one >> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >> having >> to fight for it? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely greatful >>>>> that my education was in this setting. Although it was challenging at >>>>> times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the beginning. Though >>>>> most of my work was available, accessibility challenges were always an >>>>> unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I learned to deal with long >>>>> ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind girl", but honestly, this is >>>>> how it usually is as a minority. A similar hierarchy exists among >>>>> blind people as it does in your average school environment. I'm not an >>>>> overly social person, so it doesn't make a huge difference to me--I >>>>> don't deal with people who have a superiority complex and I'm >>>>> perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >>>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the sense >>>>> of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly though, I >>>>> needed to be in an academically challenging environment that I'm not >>>>> sure is always available in a residential school for the blind. For >>>>> example, how many AP science classes would be available in one of >>>>> these schools? >>>>> >>>>> Danielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot >>>>>> of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>>>>> there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of >>>>>> course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>>> Vejas >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>>> difference. >>>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>>>>> will be >>>>>> scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>>> where >>>>>> you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>>> like >>>>>> public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>>> depending on >>>>>> the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, that can be >>>>>> good or >>>>>> bad. >>>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>>> you >>>>>> name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>>> your own >>>>>> set, if you will. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>>> residental >>>>>> student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at >>>>>> the >>>>>> school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance >>>>>> my >>>>>> braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain >>>>>> self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>>>>> me to >>>>>> do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>>> world >>>>>> was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>>> were >>>>>> going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, >>>>>> but it >>>>>> was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. >>>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>>>>> disadvantages. >>>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove >>>>>> yourself to >>>>>> classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>>> experience >>>>>> of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then >>>>>> they >>>>>> should be transitioned into a public school where they finish >>>>>> thier >>>>>> education. >>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you >>>>>> go there >>>>>> as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>>> quality of >>>>>> education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very >>>>>> well in >>>>>> life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I >>>>>> believe >>>>>> that a student should also have some public school exposure, to >>>>>> teach >>>>>> self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all >>>>>> materials and >>>>>> experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>>> The issue >>>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>>> students >>>>>> the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for >>>>>> anything, >>>>>> make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so >>>>>> have no >>>>>> exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside >>>>>> the >>>>>> sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my >>>>>> third to >>>>>> sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, >>>>>> so I >>>>>> struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly >>>>>> in math, >>>>>> trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also >>>>>> didn't >>>>>> stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I >>>>>> could >>>>>> have. >>>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>>> experience in >>>>>> both public, and blind school settings. >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> Jessica >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs >>>>>> a >>>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family >>>>>> during the >>>>>> week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at >>>>>> the >>>>>> Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on >>>>>> this >>>>>> topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>> info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Sun Feb 7 17:00:40 2016 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 11:00:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in my own town. So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the individual student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life extremely interesting. I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to being prepared for life than I was. Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If the state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no school system is perfect. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare them for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can one develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having to fight for it? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! > >> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> >>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few close friends. The "your so amazing" >>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>> available in one of these schools? >>> >>> Danielle >>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>> Vejas >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>> difference. >>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>> that can be good or bad. >>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>> your own set, if you will. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>> college now. >>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>> they finish thier education. >>>> Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>> The issue >>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> Jessica >>>> >>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Good evening Students, >>>> >>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >>>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >>> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >> mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 > %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 18:33:14 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your own. Which is what happened my senior year. Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) I've gone to prom at least three times.:) On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in > my own town. > > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the > individual > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life > extremely interesting. > > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to > being prepared for life than I was. > > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If > the > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no > school system is perfect. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via > nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare > them > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can > one > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having > to fight for it? > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > wrote: >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>> close > friends. The "your so amazing" >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>> available in one of these schools? >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>> Vejas >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>> difference. >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>>> that can be good or bad. >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>> your own set, if you will. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>>> college now. >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>>> they finish thier education. >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>> The issue >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> Jessica >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 >> %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > et > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From ligne14 at verizon.net Sun Feb 7 19:05:45 2016 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 15:05:45 -0400 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools Message-ID: <0O26006P7YDQK670@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Hi all, Very interesting discussion topic and I agree with Loren. I went to a school for the blind from kindergarten until 6th grade, when I transferred to a school for the blind and stkyed there until high school graduation. The main reason I transferred was because I had major problems with my teachers and TVI in public school. First of all, I got a new TVI in the third month of my 6th grade year. She didn't know any Braille at all, so she would send a note home with me addressed to my mom asking her if she could transcribe everything into Braille for me. Both my parents and I were extremely annoyed by this, especially because it's a TVI's responsibility to transcribe everying in whatever form the student prefers, not the parent's. Although I did eventually get my textbooks in Braille, the only subject where I didn't was science. I had to listen to my scien textbook on tape while my classmates had their books in print. I think the reason my science teacher did that was because she thought that if she gave it to me in print, I would have absoluetly no way of knowing what it says. We all know of course that's wrong, but I think that's what she thought at the time. Second, I additionally had some issues with some of my teachers. When I was only in 6th grade, I was forced to raise my hand and get the teacher's attention so that I could ask them what he or she had written on the board. I found this extremely pointless, because why couldn't the teacher just explain to the whole class what our assignments were? This would also allow for the everyone to compl'etely understand what we er to do, and to ask the teacher questions if there was anything she needed to clarify. I do advocate for this now in the college class that I'm taking, because now I'm old enough to understand that I need to advocate for what I want and need, but back then, I guess I was too young to comprehend that. Also, some teachers in public school (particularly my 6th grade English one,) really got on my case about taking notes in class. At the time, I had a harder time of knowing what was important and what wasn't, and my English teacher even threatened to put me in detention if I didn't take notes like everyone else. Also, that being said, how was I supposed to know that my classmates were jotting down notes? I'm really greatof that I transferred to the school for the blind after that horible experience in 6th grade in public school. I now know and have made many friends with people who are blind in my state, I've always had good grades and have almost always been on the school's honor roll, I think that the school has really well-rounded my character, and I was always guarkdthed materials in Braille or electronic format, whatever I preferred for the particular class. I have joined many extracuricular activities at the school for the blind, such as sports teams, music performances, and the poetry slam. I really don't know if those things would have happened had I stayed in public school. While I do agree that schools for the blind are somewhat behind public schools in academics (that's a major thing that I think should be addressed), and also that they may not help us to prepare for the "real world", there are benefits to it (that I just mentioned) if you don't have such a good experience in public school. Before I finish to go have lunch, I'd also like to clarify a few things that people have said. First of all, schools for the blind don't give you "everything" you need. You still have an IEP when you're at the school for the blind, and you still have to request whatever you need from your state that the school can't provide you with. For example, the school can't provide with a Braille notetaker. Sure, it guarantees that you get everything you need in an accessible format, but the school can't pay for an expensive notetaker; you need to talk to your state councilor about that. Second of all, a few people have mentioned schools for the blind not preparing their students for the "real world." It does do that to some extent. Here's an example: I just graduated from my school for the blind this past June. When I was in my senior year of high school, the jeachers really emphasized advocating for ourselves for later on for college or jobs. So even though I agree that the schools don't really prepare us (we're in a world where only the teachers are sighted in the school for the blind) they do mention it to some extent. Also, we all have so many opportunities to get in the real world, such as college and jobs. In those environments, nothing will be pruided for us, we need to advocate for ourselves; you guys really hit it on that one. Who says we need to do that early on when we have to do it a lot during adulthood? comin concluy, I am really grateful to the school for the blind that I attended and I think that it has and will help me to have a successful adult life. I sincerely appologize to everyone for the rather lengthy post, but I really wanted to show you guys that I had a not so good experience in public school and have ^one the best thing (in my opinion) to overcocme it. Yep, you got it, transferred to the school for the blind. I agree that everyone has their own personal preferences. I'm not forcing anyone to follow in my footsteps, I'm just telling you about my expfiences, which are all different for all of us. Thanks for reading, and have a great week, Sami ----- Original Message ----- From: Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" wrote: I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on much more meaningful reasons. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then they should be transitioned into a public school where they finish thier education. Just my thoughts. On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in both public, and blind school settings. Hope this helps. Jessica On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: Good evening Students, I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the Perkins School For The Blind. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 19:18:29 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 13:18:29 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: You're right, Loren. It is a choice. Let's put this debate to bed, guys. How about it? On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in > my own town. > > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the > individual > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life > extremely interesting. > > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to > being prepared for life than I was. > > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If > the > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no > school system is perfect. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via > nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare > them > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can > one > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having > to fight for it? > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > wrote: >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>> close > friends. The "your so amazing" >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>> available in one of these schools? >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>> Vejas >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>> difference. >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>>> that can be good or bad. >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>> your own set, if you will. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>>> college now. >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>>> they finish thier education. >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>> The issue >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>> Jessica >>>>> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >>>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >>> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 >> %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > et > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sun Feb 7 19:34:42 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 14:34:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Agreed. We all have our own opinions but ultimate the parent's know what is best for thier children. On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > You're right, Loren. It is a choice. Let's put this debate to bed, > guys. How about it? > > On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >> public >> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >> Saving >> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >> in >> my own town. >> >> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >> individual >> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >> Wife, >> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >> extremely interesting. >> >> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >> to >> being prepared for life than I was. >> >> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >> the >> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >> school system is perfect. >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >> nabs-l >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >> them >> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >> one >> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >> having >> to fight for it? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >> wrote: >>> >>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>>> close >> friends. The "your so amazing" >>>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>>> available in one of these schools? >>>>> >>>>> Danielle >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>>> Vejas >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>>> difference. >>>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>>>> that can be good or bad. >>>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>>> your own set, if you will. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>>>> college now. >>>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>>>> they finish thier education. >>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>>> The issue >>>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>> Jessica >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >>>>>> il.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 >>> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >> et >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >> 02/07/16 >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >> 02/07/16 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 7 19:41:24 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 14:41:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: I have to disagree here. Some parents may just put their child in a school for the blind because it is for the blind. Maybe this discussion might help a parent who just happens to google something and this discussion comes up. Especially, I think that some parents may not understand that we can go to school with sighted friends go to college, and even become Scientists and Mathematicians. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > > Agreed. > We all have our own opinions but ultimate the parent's know what is > best for thier children. > > >> On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: >> You're right, Loren. It is a choice. Let's put this debate to bed, >> guys. How about it? >> >>> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >>> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >>> public >>> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >>> Saving >>> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >>> in >>> my own town. >>> >>> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >>> individual >>> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >>> Wife, >>> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >>> extremely interesting. >>> >>> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >>> to >>> being prepared for life than I was. >>> >>> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >>> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >>> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >>> the >>> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >>> school system is perfect. >>> >>> Loren >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >>> nabs-l >>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >>> them >>> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >>> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >>> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >>> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >>> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >>> one >>> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >>> having >>> to fight for it? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>>>> close >>> friends. The "your so amazing" >>>>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>>>> available in one of these schools? >>>>>> >>>>>> Danielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>>>> Vejas >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>>>>> that can be good or bad. >>>>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>>>> your own set, if you will. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>>>>> college now. >>>>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>>>>> they finish thier education. >>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>>>> The issue >>>>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>> Jessica >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>>>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>>>>> mail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>>>>> %40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>>>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >>>>>>> il.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 >>>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >>> et >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >>> 02/07/16 >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >>> 02/07/16 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 21:56:40 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 13:56:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I think a little history lesson may help clarify some things. In 1973, the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) was passed that basically requires public schools to include students with disabilities. Before 1973, most blind kids were automatically sent to schools for the blind regardless of their individual situation. So, schools for the blind had an expectation to give all blind kids a good education. People who grew up pre-IDEA (who are 50 years old or older today) attended schools for the blind that served the whole gamut of blind students, and I have been told that in those days many schools for the blind were relatively strong in terms of the education they offered. After 1973, most blind kids began going to their local public schools. Although schools for the blind stayed open in many states, they tended to enroll only those kids who were seen as difficult to place for some reason. Often these were kids who were blind on top of intellectual disabilities, meaning they required a larger support team and more modifications to the curriculum. Or, a student might attend the school for the blind if the local school district was under-resourced, uncooperative or if the student had a family situation that got in the way of his/her education (like divorce, poverty etc.) As a consequence, the majority of kids who attend schools for the blind full-time today are those kids who have additional disabilities or disadvantages (real or perceived) making it difficult for them to get a good public education. Schools for the blind have changed in their educational approach in order to focus on the special needs of these kids, such as giving more custodial care and modifying academic standards to accommodate kids with intellectual disabilities. This is a generalization, and there are exceptions (as well as some kids who attend both kinds of schools). But the school is going to direct its resources toward supporting its average student, and at least in the states I've lived in, the average student at a school for the blind has multiple disabilities or disadvantages, with blindness often being a small concern compared to the others. I have wondered if school for the blind is really the best setting for these kids or if funding should be directed toward setting up schools for people with intellectual disability as the primary issue. However, not being in the ID community, I'm not one to make that kind of recommendation. For kids who don't have multiple disabilities, or social disadvantages like an impoverished school district or an unstable family situation, school for the blind might make sense only in the short term to learn specific blindness skills. I agree with others that the best quality of education will usually come from a public school. I also think that having blind friends and mentors is incredibly important, but fortunately there are many programs set up to provide those opportunities outside of school, like camps, retreats and the NFB summer programs like BELL and the training center youth programs. Best, Arielle On 2/7/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > I have to disagree here. Some parents may just put their child in a school > for the blind because it is for the blind. Maybe this discussion might help > a parent who just happens to google something and this discussion comes up. > Especially, I think that some parents may not understand that we can go to > school with sighted friends go to college, and even become Scientists and > Mathematicians. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 7, 2016, at 2:34 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Agreed. >> We all have our own opinions but ultimate the parent's know what is >> best for thier children. >> >> >>> On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: >>> You're right, Loren. It is a choice. Let's put this debate to bed, >>> guys. How about it? >>> >>>> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >>>> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >>>> public >>>> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >>>> Saving >>>> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >>>> in >>>> my own town. >>>> >>>> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >>>> individual >>>> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >>>> Wife, >>>> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >>>> extremely interesting. >>>> >>>> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >>>> to >>>> being prepared for life than I was. >>>> >>>> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not >>>> be >>>> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >>>> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. >>>> If >>>> the >>>> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >>>> school system is perfect. >>>> >>>> Loren >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >>>> nabs-l >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >>>> them >>>> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year >>>> of >>>> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >>>> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I >>>> feel >>>> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >>>> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How >>>> can >>>> one >>>> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >>>> having >>>> to fight for it? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>>>> >>>>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>>>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>>>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>>>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>>>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>>>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>>>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>>>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>>>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>>>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>>>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>>>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>>>>> close >>>> friends. The "your so amazing" >>>>>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>>>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>>>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>>>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>>>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>>>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>>>>> available in one of these schools? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Danielle >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>>>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>>>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>>>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>>>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>>>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>>>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>>>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>>>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>>>>>> Vejas >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>>>>>> difference. >>>>>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>>>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>>>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>>>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>>>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>>>>>> that can be good or bad. >>>>>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>>>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>>>>>> your own set, if you will. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>>>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>>>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>>>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>>>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>>>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>>>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>>>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>>>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>>>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>>>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>>>>>> college now. >>>>>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>>>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>>>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>>>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>>>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>>>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>>>>>> they finish thier education. >>>>>>>> Just my thoughts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>>>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>>>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>>>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>>>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>>>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>>>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>>>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>>>>>> The issue >>>>>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>>>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>>>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>>>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>>>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>>>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>>>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>>>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>>>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>>>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>>>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>>>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>>>>>> Hope this helps. >>>>>>>> Jessica >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>>> Good evening Students, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>>>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>>>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>>>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>>>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. 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And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public school is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since I see so many high schoolers with them? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in my own town. So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the individual student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life extremely interesting. I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to being prepared for life than I was. Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If the state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no school system is perfect. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare them for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can one develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having to fight for it? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" wrote: I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on much more meaningful reasons. Vejas ----- Original Message ----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in college now. I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way and then they should be transitioned into a public school where they finish thier education. Just my thoughts. On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing them. However, I believe that a student should also have some public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to cope when things when all materials and experiences are not accessible, and optimized for blindness. The issue that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students experience in both public, and blind school settings. Hope this helps. Jessica On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: Good evening Students, I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a public school? I could not handle being away from my family during the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this topic. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo re16%40houghton.edu _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina tion%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g ma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% 40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 %40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts 10886 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m ediacombb.n et ----- No virus found in this message. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shawnabraham2 1%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Feb 7 23:30:34 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2016 18:30:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56b7d071.87538c0a.869e4.fffff270@mx.google.com> References: <56b7d071.87538c0a.869e4.fffff270@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> I think that parents should try the local public school, and if that does not work, then try the residential school, or at least really consider the proes and cons. Even if you worry that public school may not be right, your child might thank you for sending them there because it taught them about the real world. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l wrote: > > I forgot all about aids, because I stopped having one my freshmen year. And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public school is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. > Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since I see so many high schoolers with them? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayla James via nabs-l To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply > with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your > own. Which is what happened my senior year. > Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but > you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) > I've gone to prom at least three times.:) > > On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in > my own town. > > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the > individual > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life > extremely interesting. > > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to > being prepared for life than I was. > > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If > the > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no > school system is perfect. > > Loren > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via > nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare > them > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can > one > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having > to fight for it? > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! > > On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: > Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" > comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Cc: "Danielle Sykora" Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > > As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely > greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was > challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the > beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility > challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I > learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind > girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A > similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your > average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it > doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who > have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few > close > friends. The "your so amazing" > comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit > compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the > sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly > though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment > that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for > the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be > available in one of these schools? > > Danielle > > On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of > people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of > entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of > people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there > to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course > doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. > I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", > and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on > much more meaningful reasons. > Vejas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kayla James via nabs-l To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of > difference. > In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will > be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world > where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are > like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and > depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, > that can be good or bad. > The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, > you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around > your own set, if you will. > > On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a > residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and > being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other > kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills > and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me > to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole > world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they > were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier > fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in > college now. > I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. > For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself > to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an > experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way > and then they should be transitioned into a public school where > they finish thier education. > Just my thoughts. > > On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go > there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the > quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve > you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing > them. However, I believe that a student should also have some > public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to > cope when things when all materials and experiences are not > accessible, and optimized for blindness. > The issue > that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the > students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight > for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly > accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in > the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went > to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home > schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back > into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a > visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the > school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. > In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students > experience in both public, and blind school settings. > Hope this helps. > Jessica > > On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Good evening Students, > > I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a > public school? I could not handle being away from my family during > the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program > at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your > thoughts on this topic. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo > re16%40houghton.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > tion%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g > ma > il.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% > 40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > %40g > mail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts > 10886 > %40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m > ediacombb.n > et > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shawnabraham2 > 1%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Sun Feb 7 23:50:44 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 18:50:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> References: <56b7d071.87538c0a.869e4.fffff270@mx.google.com> <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> Message-ID: My aid did not help me much in high school. She mainly did a lot of the brailling I needed for my classes. She would be with me in math class though on days when there were very visual concepts. Other than that, she would proctor my exams (when I had to take them in a separate location mainly for math), transcribe my work for my math teacher (my TVI transcribed the contracted braille Etc. or I emailed my work). On 2/7/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > I think that parents should try the local public school, and if that does > not work, then try the residential school, or at least really consider the > proes and cons. Even if you worry that public school may not be right, your > child might thank you for sending them there because it taught them about > the real world. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> I forgot all about aids, because I stopped having one my freshmen year. >> And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public school >> is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. >> Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since I >> see so many high schoolers with them? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >> >> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >> public >> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >> Saving >> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >> in >> my own town. >> >> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >> individual >> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >> Wife, >> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >> extremely interesting. >> >> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >> to >> being prepared for life than I was. >> >> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >> the >> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >> school system is perfect. >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >> nabs-l >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >> them >> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >> one >> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >> having >> to fight for it? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > wrote: >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> >> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >> close >> friends. The "your so amazing" >> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >> available in one of these schools? >> >> Danielle >> >> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >> much more meaningful reasons. >> Vejas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >> difference. >> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >> that can be good or bad. >> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >> your own set, if you will. >> >> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >> college now. >> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >> they finish thier education. >> Just my thoughts. >> >> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >> The issue >> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >> Hope this helps. >> Jessica >> >> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> Good evening Students, >> >> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >> thoughts on this topic. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >> re16%40houghton.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> ma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% >> 40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts >> 10886 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m >> ediacombb.n >> et >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >> 02/07/16 >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >> 02/07/16 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shawnabraham2 >> 1%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From christgirl813 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 23:51:20 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 17:51:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> References: <56b7d071.87538c0a.869e4.fffff270@mx.google.com> <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> Message-ID: Aids transcribe your work and copy stuff from the chalkboard. And helped with pictures and stuff. At least that's what they did with me and they follow you everywhere. On 2/7/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > I think that parents should try the local public school, and if that does > not work, then try the residential school, or at least really consider the > proes and cons. Even if you worry that public school may not be right, your > child might thank you for sending them there because it taught them about > the real world. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> I forgot all about aids, because I stopped having one my freshmen year. >> And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public school >> is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. >> Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since I >> see so many high schoolers with them? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >> >> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >> public >> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >> Saving >> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >> in >> my own town. >> >> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >> individual >> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >> Wife, >> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >> extremely interesting. >> >> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >> to >> being prepared for life than I was. >> >> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >> the >> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >> school system is perfect. >> >> Loren >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >> nabs-l >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >> them >> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >> one >> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >> having >> to fight for it? >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > wrote: >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> > Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> >> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >> close >> friends. The "your so amazing" >> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >> available in one of these schools? >> >> Danielle >> >> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >> much more meaningful reasons. >> Vejas >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >> difference. >> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >> that can be good or bad. >> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >> your own set, if you will. >> >> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >> college now. >> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >> they finish thier education. >> Just my thoughts. >> >> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >> The issue >> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >> Hope this helps. >> Jessica >> >> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> Good evening Students, >> >> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >> thoughts on this topic. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >> re16%40houghton.edu >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> tion%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >> ma >> il.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% >> 40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> %40g >> mail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts >> 10886 >> %40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m >> ediacombb.n >> et >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - 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Somethimes she'd help me in Gym class. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > > Aids transcribe your work and copy stuff from the chalkboard. And > helped with pictures and stuff. At least that's what they did with me > and they follow you everywhere. > >> On 2/7/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >> I think that parents should try the local public school, and if that does >> not work, then try the residential school, or at least really consider the >> proes and cons. Even if you worry that public school may not be right, your >> child might thank you for sending them there because it taught them about >> the real world. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> I forgot all about aids, because I stopped having one my freshmen year. >>> And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public school >>> is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. >>> Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since I >>> see so many high schoolers with them? >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >>> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >>> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >>> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >>> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >>> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >>> >>> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >>> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >>> public >>> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >>> Saving >>> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >>> in >>> my own town. >>> >>> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >>> individual >>> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >>> Wife, >>> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >>> extremely interesting. >>> >>> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >>> to >>> being prepared for life than I was. >>> >>> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >>> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >>> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >>> the >>> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >>> school system is perfect. >>> >>> Loren >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >>> nabs-l >>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >>> them >>> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >>> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >>> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >>> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >>> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >>> one >>> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >>> having >>> to fight for it? >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >> wrote: >>> >>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> >>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>> close >>> friends. The "your so amazing" >>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>> available in one of these schools? >>> >>> Danielle >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>> much more meaningful reasons. >>> Vejas >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>> difference. >>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>> that can be good or bad. >>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>> your own set, if you will. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>> college now. >>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>> they finish thier education. >>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>> The issue >>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Jessica >>> >>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>> Good evening Students, >>> >>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>> thoughts on this topic. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>> re16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>> tion%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>> ma >>> il.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% >>> 40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>> %40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts >>> 10886 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m >>> ediacombb.n >>> et >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >>> 02/07/16 >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: >>> 02/07/16 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/shawnabraham2 >>> 1%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From christgirl813 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 01:02:48 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:02:48 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible format of the restored bible In-Reply-To: <244BFB8D025E48D3970673D4FFDD969E@OwnerPC> References: <244BFB8D025E48D3970673D4FFDD969E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: A Christianity class wants this? Really? On 2/6/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: > Hello all, > > It would greatly help me to have an accessible copy of the New Restored New > Testament. > I’m in a Christianity class and do not have an accessible copy. My professor > said my NIV version would be okay, but actually it is not. I’m missing the > nostic gospels in my version as well as the study notes the other students > use. I’m afraid I’ll not catch up to the class with my reader since she was > sick. > And no, I did not try getting an electronic copy through dss as I have had > bad experiences with that; as I’ve said in the past, the pdf files were poor > quality with jaws such as broken words and jaws often saying graphic at > random times. > > So, if anyone knows where I can get a copy, let me know. Maybe coursesmart? > For accessible I can do it in electronic format, braille, or daisy audio. > > Here is the text citation. > The Restored New Testament: A New Translation with Commentary, Including the > Gnostic Gospels Thomas, Mary, and Judas, Willis Barnstone (Norton & Company, > 2009) > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Feb 8 01:08:06 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 20:08:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible format of the restored bible In-Reply-To: References: <244BFB8D025E48D3970673D4FFDD969E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Try checking out Optasia Ministries. They have quite a few versions of the Bible and a lot of other sueful Christian resources on theology Etc. Kayla- Why is it surprising that a christianity class would want a specific copy of the Bible? I attend a christian college and we had to use the NRSV for our class (New Revised Standard Version). Biblical literature classes tend to cover all books of the Bible including those specific to the the Catholic Bible. Christina On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: > A Christianity class wants this? Really? > > On 2/6/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> It would greatly help me to have an accessible copy of the New Restored >> New >> Testament. >> I’m in a Christianity class and do not have an accessible copy. My >> professor >> said my NIV version would be okay, but actually it is not. I’m missing the >> nostic gospels in my version as well as the study notes the other students >> use. I’m afraid I’ll not catch up to the class with my reader since she >> was >> sick. >> And no, I did not try getting an electronic copy through dss as I have had >> bad experiences with that; as I’ve said in the past, the pdf files were >> poor >> quality with jaws such as broken words and jaws often saying graphic at >> random times. >> >> So, if anyone knows where I can get a copy, let me know. Maybe >> coursesmart? >> For accessible I can do it in electronic format, braille, or daisy audio. >> >> Here is the text citation. >> The Restored New Testament: A New Translation with Commentary, Including >> the >> Gnostic Gospels Thomas, Mary, and Judas, Willis Barnstone (Norton & >> Company, >> 2009) >> >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From christgirl813 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 01:46:40 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 19:46:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] accessible format of the restored bible In-Reply-To: References: <244BFB8D025E48D3970673D4FFDD969E@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I don't know. Why would someone need to learn the Gnostic Gospels. On 2/7/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > Try checking out Optasia Ministries. They have quite a few versions of > the Bible and a lot of other sueful Christian resources on theology > Etc. > > Kayla- Why is it surprising that a christianity class would want a > specific copy of the Bible? I attend a christian college and we had to > use the NRSV for our class (New Revised Standard Version). Biblical > literature classes tend to cover all books of the Bible including > those specific to the the Catholic Bible. > Christina > > On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l wrote: >> A Christianity class wants this? Really? >> >> On 2/6/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> It would greatly help me to have an accessible copy of the New Restored >>> New >>> Testament. >>> I’m in a Christianity class and do not have an accessible copy. My >>> professor >>> said my NIV version would be okay, but actually it is not. I’m missing >>> the >>> nostic gospels in my version as well as the study notes the other >>> students >>> use. I’m afraid I’ll not catch up to the class with my reader since she >>> was >>> sick. >>> And no, I did not try getting an electronic copy through dss as I have >>> had >>> bad experiences with that; as I’ve said in the past, the pdf files were >>> poor >>> quality with jaws such as broken words and jaws often saying graphic at >>> random times. >>> >>> So, if anyone knows where I can get a copy, let me know. Maybe >>> coursesmart? >>> For accessible I can do it in electronic format, braille, or daisy audio. >>> >>> Here is the text citation. >>> The Restored New Testament: A New Translation with Commentary, Including >>> the >>> Gnostic Gospels Thomas, Mary, and Judas, Willis Barnstone (Norton & >>> Company, >>> 2009) >>> >>> Thanks. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From dsykora29 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 02:14:36 2016 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 21:14:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b7d071.87538c0a.869e4.fffff270@mx.google.com> <56A79563-E454-4F72-92C1-7A29B8F82EF4@icloud.com> Message-ID: In high school, my aid was mainly responsible for brailling math quizzes/tests and the words to choir music, as well as the occasional visual material for other classes. I took all of mhy own notes, sent all of my work to teachers through email or flash drives, received most of my assignments and textbooks in an electronic format, and traveled from class to class completely independently. The school insisted I have an aid in the general area during sports practice and competitions (though I could participate in gym class independently) and during one particular field trip I took throughout each year of school. I did not have an aid in most of my classes. I participated in extra curricular activities including choir, FFA, 4H, track and field, and National Honor Society in public school all with little to no assistance from an aid. Danielle On 2/7/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > My aid helped in large my work, copy stuff from the chalkboard, and would > use sighted guide when the halls were crowded. Somethimes she'd help me in > Gym class. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 7, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Aids transcribe your work and copy stuff from the chalkboard. And >> helped with pictures and stuff. At least that's what they did with me >> and they follow you everywhere. >> >>> On 2/7/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >>> I think that parents should try the local public school, and if that >>> does >>> not work, then try the residential school, or at least really consider >>> the >>> proes and cons. Even if you worry that public school may not be right, >>> your >>> child might thank you for sending them there because it taught them >>> about >>> the real world. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Feb 7, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I forgot all about aids, because I stopped having one my freshmen year. >>>> And I do agree that though we can make generalizations that public >>>> school >>>> is better, ultimately its about your personal situation. >>>> Out of curiosity, what kinds of things do your aids help you with, since >>>> I >>>> see so many high schoolers with them? >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 12:33:14 -0600 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> Yes, Loren, aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >>>> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >>>> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >>>> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >>>> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >>>> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >>>> >>>> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >>>> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >>>> public >>>> schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >>>> Saving >>>> School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >>>> in >>>> my own town. >>>> >>>> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >>>> individual >>>> student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >>>> Wife, >>>> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >>>> extremely interesting. >>>> >>>> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >>>> to >>>> being prepared for life than I was. >>>> >>>> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not >>>> be >>>> forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >>>> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. >>>> If >>>> the >>>> state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >>>> school system is perfect. >>>> >>>> Loren >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >>>> nabs-l >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >>>> them >>>> for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year >>>> of >>>> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >>>> The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I >>>> feel >>>> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >>>> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How >>>> can >>>> one >>>> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >>>> having >>>> to fight for it? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>>> close >>>> friends. The "your so amazing" >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>>> available in one of these schools? >>>> >>>> Danielle >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>>> Vejas >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>>> >>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>>> difference. >>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>>> that can be good or bad. >>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>>> your own set, if you will. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>>> college now. >>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>>> they finish thier education. >>>> Just my thoughts. >>>> >>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>>> The issue >>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> Jessica >>>> >>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Good evening Students, >>>> >>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >>>> thoughts on this topic. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >>>> re16%40houghton.edu >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >>>> tion%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40g >>>> ma >>>> il.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1% >>>> 40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >>>> %40g >>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts >>>> 10886 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40m >>>> ediacombb.n >>>> et >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - 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For this version, a MS 365 subscription is required. I hope this helps, Nesma > On Feb 2, 2016, at 19:00, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > > I do that already. Maybe I should clarify. My teacher wants me to type my domumcont in Word. We were trying to do MLA citations today, and I had to fix the margins, which we could not figure out how to do. My teacher even tried doing it without Voiceover, and couldn't figure it out either. I was using Textedit. She said that she uses Word on her mac, and it is great for MLA citations. Would Pages have been better? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 2, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> >> You don't need to get word, you can open word documents in both pages and TextEdit as well as save in word. >> >> Matt Dierckens >> Certified Assistive technology specialist >> Macintosh trainer >> Canadian phone: 5199629140 >> U.S. Phone: 5734011018 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 2, 2016, at 18:49, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know if Microsoft Word works with a Mac and Voiceover? My teacher wants me to get word, but I remember hearing that Word doesn't work with Voiceover. Thank you. >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 12:37:17 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 04:37:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Good morning, everyone, Just curious, what do people think of the term BLIND, that is, total abscence of ocular input? It has been my experience that a state of ocular blindness suggests a complete abscence of ocular light, no partials. Please, I wanna hear it all, the good, bad, and yes, the ugly, too. Thank you for reading! Car aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >own. Which is what happened my senior year. >Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >I've gone to prom at least three times.:) > >On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: > > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public > > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving > > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in > > my own town. > > > > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the > > individual > > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, > > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life > > extremely interesting. > > > > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to > > being prepared for life than I was. > > > > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be > > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works > > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If > > the > > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no > > school system is perfect. > > > > Loren > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via > > nabs-l > > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > > > > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare > > them > > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel > > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can > > one > > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having > > to fight for it? > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > > wrote: > >> > >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! > >> > >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: > >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" > >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >>> > >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > >>> > >>> > >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely > >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was > >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the > >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility > >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I > >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind > >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A > >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your > >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it > >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who > >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few > >>>> close > > friends. The "your so amazing" > >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit > >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the > >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly > >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment > >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for > >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be > >>>> available in one of these schools? > >>>> > >>>> Danielle > >>>> > >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of > >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of > >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of > >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there > >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course > >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. > >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", > >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on > >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. > >>>>> Vejas > >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > >>>>> > >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of > >>>>> difference. > >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will > >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world > >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are > >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and > >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, > >>>>> that can be good or bad. > >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, > >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around > >>>>> your own set, if you will. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a > >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and > >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other > >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills > >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me > >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole > >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they > >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier > >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in > >>>>> college now. > >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. > >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself > >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an > >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way > >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where > >>>>> they finish thier education. > >>>>> Just my thoughts. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go > >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the > >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve > >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing > >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some > >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to > >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not > >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. > >>>>> The issue > >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the > >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight > >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly > >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in > >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went > >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home > >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back > >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a > >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the > >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. > >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students > >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. > >>>>> Hope this helps. > >>>>> Jessica > >>>>> > >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > >>>>> Good evening Students, > >>>>> > >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a > >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during > >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program > >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your > >>>>> thoughts on this topic. > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g > >>>>> mail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo > >>>>> re16%40houghton.edu > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 > >>>>> %40gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for nabs-l: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina > >>>>> tion%40gmail.com > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>>> for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma > >>>>> il.com > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>>> for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g > >>>> mail.com > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g > >>> mail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 > >> %40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > > et > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:19:54 2016 From: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com (angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 07:19:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <56b88c80.b0568c0a.2baf3.fffff927SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> <56b88c80.b0568c0a.2baf3.fffff927SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29D49912-60D1-4EEF-81E1-65273CDB639C@gmail.com> I honestly don't care for the word. I say that I'm partially sighted, but that's because I still have vision no matter how little. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote: > > Good morning, everyone, > > Just curious, what do people think of the term BLIND, that is, total abscence of ocular input? It has been my experience that a state of ocular blindness suggests a complete abscence of ocular light, no partials. > Please, I wanna hear it all, the good, bad, and yes, the ugly, too. > Thank you for reading! Car > aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >> >> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >> > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the public >> > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight Saving >> > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received in >> > my own town. >> > >> > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >> > individual >> > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a Wife, >> > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >> > extremely interesting. >> > >> > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer to >> > being prepared for life than I was. >> > >> > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be >> > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >> > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If >> > the >> > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no >> > school system is perfect. >> > >> > Loren >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via >> > nabs-l >> > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> > >> > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare >> > them >> > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of >> > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >> > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I feel >> > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >> > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can >> > one >> > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without having >> > to fight for it? >> > >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >> >> >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >> >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >> >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >> >>> >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >>> >> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >> >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >> >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >> >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >> >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I >> >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >> >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >> >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >> >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >> >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >> >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >> >>>> close >> > friends. The "your so amazing" >> >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >> >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >> >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >> >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >> >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >> >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >> >>>> available in one of these schools? >> >>>> >> >>>> Danielle >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: >> >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >> >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >> >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >> >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there >> >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >> >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >> >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >> >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >> >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >> >>>>> Vejas >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l > >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >> >>>>> >> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >> >>>>> difference. >> >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will >> >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >> >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are >> >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >> >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >> >>>>> that can be good or bad. >> >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >> >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >> >>>>> your own set, if you will. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >> >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >> >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >> >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >> >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >> >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >> >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >> >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me >> >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >> >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they >> >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >> >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >> >>>>> college now. >> >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. >> >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >> >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that >> >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >> >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >> >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >> >>>>> they finish thier education. >> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >> >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >> >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >> >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >> >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >> >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >> >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >> >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >> >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >> >>>>> The issue >> >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >> >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >> >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >> >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >> >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >> >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >> >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >> >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >> >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >> >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >> >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >> >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >> >>>>> Hope this helps. >> >>>>> Jessica >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >> >>>>> Good evening Students, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >> >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >> >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >> >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >> >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. I'd like to hear your >> >>>>> thoughts on this topic. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40g >> >>>>> mail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moo >> >>>>> re16%40houghton.edu >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813 >> >>>>> %40gmail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alpineimagina >> >>>>> tion%40gmail.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gma >> >>>>> il.com >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40g >> >>>> mail.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40g >> >>> mail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886 >> >> %40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n >> > et >> > >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 >> > >> > ----- >> > No virus found in this message. >> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> > Version: 2015.0.6176 / Virus Database: 4522/11573 - Release Date: 02/07/16 >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com From raniaismail04 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 13:50:27 2016 From: raniaismail04 at gmail.com (Rania Ismail LMT) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 08:50:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <29D49912-60D1-4EEF-81E1-65273CDB639C@gmail.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> <56b88c80.b0568c0a.2baf3.fffff927SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <29D49912-60D1-4EEF-81E1-65273CDB639C@gmail.com> Message-ID: My aid went with me from class to class because the halls were so crouded and there would be people just standing in the middle of the hallway. She would read what the teacher rote on the board so I could copy it off the board just like the other students. She brailled the words to choir music brailled my asignments math problems helped me in gym class help me with the visual part of asignments and made sure I understood what I had to do for my asignments. She also brailled my tests and quizzes. I took part in choir best buddy's and National Honor Society but I didn't need her for those things. Rania, On 2/8/16, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > I honestly don't care for the word. I say that I'm partially sighted, but > that's because I still have vision no matter how little. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Good morning, everyone, >> >> Just curious, what do people think of the term BLIND, that is, total >> abscence of ocular input? It has been my experience that a state of ocular >> blindness suggests a complete abscence of ocular light, no partials. >> Please, I wanna hear it all, the good, bad, and yes, the ugly, too. >> Thank you for reading! Car >> aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply >>> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your >>> own. Which is what happened my senior year. >>> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but >>> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) >>> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) >>> >>> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: >>> > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the >>> > public >>> > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight >>> > Saving >>> > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received >>> > in >>> > my own town. >>> > >>> > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the >>> > individual >>> > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a >>> > Wife, >>> > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life >>> > extremely interesting. >>> > >>> > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer >>> > to >>> > being prepared for life than I was. >>> > >>> > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not >>> > be >>> > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works >>> > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. >>> > If >>> > the >>> > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, >>> > no >>> > school system is perfect. >>> > >>> > Loren >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- >>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela >>> > via >>> > nabs-l >>> > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM >>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com >>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> > >>> > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't >>> > prepare >>> > them >>> > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year >>> > of >>> > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. >>> > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have said, I >>> > feel >>> > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions >>> > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How >>> > can >>> > one >>> > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without >>> > having >>> > to fight for it? >>> > >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l >>> >> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! >>> >> >>> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" >>> >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> >>> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" >>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM >>> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely >>> >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was >>> >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the >>> >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility >>> >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life >>> >>>> I >>> >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind >>> >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A >>> >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your >>> >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it >>> >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who >>> >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few >>> >>>> close >>> > friends. The "your so amazing" >>> >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit >>> >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the >>> >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly >>> >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment >>> >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for >>> >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be >>> >>>> available in one of these schools? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Danielle >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of >>> >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of >>> >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of >>> >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are >>> >>>>> there >>> >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course >>> >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. >>> >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", >>> >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on >>> >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. >>> >>>>> Vejas >>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of >>> >>>>> difference. >>> >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people >>> >>>>> will >>> >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world >>> >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools >>> >>>>> are >>> >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and >>> >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, >>> >>>>> that can be good or bad. >>> >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, >>> >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around >>> >>>>> your own set, if you will. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. >>> >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a >>> >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and >>> >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other >>> >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills >>> >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. >>> >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for >>> >>>>> me >>> >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole >>> >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as >>> >>>>> they >>> >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier >>> >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in >>> >>>>> college now. >>> >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and >>> >>>>> disadvantages. >>> >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself >>> >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school >>> >>>>> that >>> >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an >>> >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way >>> >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where >>> >>>>> they finish thier education. >>> >>>>> Just my thoughts. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go >>> >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the >>> >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve >>> >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing >>> >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some >>> >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to >>> >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not >>> >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. >>> >>>>> The issue >>> >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the >>> >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight >>> >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly >>> >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in >>> >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went >>> >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home >>> >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back >>> >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a >>> >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the >>> >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. >>> >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students >>> >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. >>> >>>>> Hope this helps. >>> >>>>> Jessica >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>>>> Good evening Students, >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and >>> >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a >>> >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during >>> >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program >>> >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. 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Elif From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 8 17:06:04 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 11:06:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Director Of Disability Services Position Opening-Please Distribute Twin Cities Message-ID: >Please distribute this as you see fit. > >http://www.mnscu.edu/jobs/viewPosting.php?pid=14009 > >Kathy McGillivray, M.A. >Director > >Augsburg College >CLASS/Disability Services >Gage Center for Student Success, Lindell Library, 2nd Floor >2211 Riverside Avenue,  >Minneapolis, MN 55454 >612-330-1053 (main); 612-330-1371 (direct) >612-330-1137 (FAX) > From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Feb 8 17:36:16 2016 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 09:36:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools In-Reply-To: <29D49912-60D1-4EEF-81E1-65273CDB639C@gmail.com> References: <56b6ba1c.a82db60a.98aaa.15c9@mx.google.com> <019401d16162$a468dcc0$df00a8c0@TOSHIPC> <60355D32-3CD1-432D-81CC-FB0473C76F9E@gmail.com> <006b01d161c9$13299cb0$397cd610$@mediacombb.net> <56b88c80.b0568c0a.2baf3.fffff927SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <29D49912-60D1-4EEF-81E1-65273CDB639C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Good morning, My point. Thank you for your honesty, too! Car At 05:19 AM 2/8/2016, you wrote: >I honestly don't care for the word. I say that I'm partially >sighted, but that's because I still have vision no matter how little. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l > wrote: > > > > Good morning, everyone, > > > > Just curious, what do people think of the term BLIND, that is, > total abscence of ocular input? It has been my experience that a > state of ocular blindness suggests a complete abscence of ocular > light, no partials. > > Please, I wanna hear it all, the good, bad, and yes, the ugly, too. > > Thank you for reading! Car > > aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply > >> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your > >> own. Which is what happened my senior year. > >> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but > >> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine) > >> I've gone to prom at least three times.:) > >> > >> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote: > >> > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide > in the public > >> > schools? I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and > Sight Saving > >> > School. At the time, it was far superior to what I would have > received in > >> > my own town. > >> > > >> > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the > >> > individual > >> > student. Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college > education, a Wife, > >> > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life > >> > extremely interesting. > >> > > >> > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are > any closer to > >> > being prepared for life than I was. > >> > > >> > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice. One should not be > >> > forced to attend one or the other. If the public school setting works > >> > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can. If > >> > the > >> > state school works better for you, then do the same. Just remember, no > >> > school system is perfect. > >> > > >> > Loren > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via > >> > nabs-l > >> > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM > >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com > >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > >> > > >> > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare > >> > them > >> > for the real world. I went to public school until my 11th grade year of > >> > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school. > >> > The academics is way behind for high school. Like some have > said, I feel > >> > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions > >> > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same. How can > >> > one > >> > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything > without having > >> > to fight for it? > >> > > >> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > >> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome! > >> >> > >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l wrote: > >> >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing" > >> >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like. > >> >>> > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" > >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > >> >>> > >> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" > >> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM > >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely > >> >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was > >> >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the > >> >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility > >> >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I > >> >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind > >> >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A > >> >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your > >> >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it > >> >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who > >> >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few > >> >>>> close > >> > friends. The "your so amazing" > >> >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit > >> >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the > >> >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly > >> >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment > >> >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for > >> >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be > >> >>>> available in one of these schools? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Danielle > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > >> >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of > >> >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of > >> >>>>> entitlement. Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of > >> >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there > >> >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course > >> >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people. > >> >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid", > >> >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on > >> >>>>> much more meaningful reasons. > >> >>>>> Vejas > >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l >> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of > >> >>>>> difference. > >> >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will > >> >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world > >> >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense. Residential blind schools are > >> >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and > >> >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one, > >> >>>>> that can be good or bad. > >> >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty, > >> >>>>> you name it. Totals are in on it, too. The pros: you are around > >> >>>>> your own set, if you will. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > >> >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages. > >> >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a > >> >>>>> residental student. I did not mind in any not being at home and > >> >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other > >> >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills > >> >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had. > >> >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me > >> >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole > >> >>>>> world was different. My school was learning how to help me as they > >> >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time. It was not thier > >> >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging. I did well though and am in > >> >>>>> college now. > >> >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages. > >> >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself > >> >>>>> to classmates Etc. in a school that is public versus a school that > >> >>>>> catters to blindness. Everyone in my opinion should have an > >> >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way > >> >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where > >> >>>>> they finish thier education. > >> >>>>> Just my thoughts. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l wrote: > >> >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits. If you go > >> >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the > >> >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve > >> >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing > >> >>>>> them. However, I believe that a student should also have some > >> >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to > >> >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not > >> >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness. > >> >>>>> The issue > >> >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the > >> >>>>> students the world on a silver platter. They don't have to fight > >> >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly > >> >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in > >> >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school. I went > >> >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home > >> >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back > >> >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a > >> >>>>> visually taught class and things. I also didn't stay at the > >> >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have. > >> >>>>> In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students > >> >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings. > >> >>>>> Hope this helps. > >> >>>>> Jessica > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > >> >>>>> Good evening Students, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I have a question for all of you. What are the advantages and > >> >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a > >> >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during > >> >>>>> the week. As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program > >> >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind. 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They can email casa at houghton.edu if they would like to speak with someone here about how they accommodate their students with disabilities. My college has a digital texts cordinator on campus part time that converts textbooks and other handouts Etc. for classes that are given to her by either students or by professors. She also formats exams that may not be accessible. (She is part time because this is a small private college). The disability office is also really great at providing tutors, readers, scribes and I got a textbook in braille one semester. Hope this helps. On 2/8/16, Elif Emir Öksüz wrote: > Hello all, > Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by > disability offices, and I am one of you. > I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and they > wanted me to provide some good examples to them. > Can you give me some university names which are successful at > accommodating students Please? > If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. > Elif > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > From ALewis at nfb.org Mon Feb 8 18:48:52 2016 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 18:48:52 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program Message-ID: National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program Submitted by mjones on Tue, 01/26/2016 - 07:15 Blog Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. Since 1940, the members of the National Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004, we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships that empower the blind to live the lives we want. As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and innovative thinkers that will dream, develop, and implement the next ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship program, a unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National Federation of the Blind. Our National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program will provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field. Our 2016 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. NFB internships will begin on May 30 and end on August 5, 2016 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the annual convention of the National Federation of the Blind to be held in Orlando, Florida, from June 30-July 5, 2016. Our 2016 summer interns will have the opportunity to engage in a variety of program areas including: · Access technology · Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility · Data management · Education programs · Governmental affairs · Information technology · Jacobus tenBroek Library · Membership building · NFB NEWSLINE® for the Blind · Outreach and fundraising · Public relations and social media The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no other. It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. The following are some comments from our 2015 Summer Interns: "The NFB Summer internship program provided me with the opportunity to have a variety of new experiences, ranging from connecting with national leaders both inside and outside of Baltimore, to challenging and honing my own leadership capabilities in a number of settings. In being an intern, and thus present at the national office every day amongst leaders and mentors, the program provides an immersion into NFB philosophy for ten weeks, giving me the chance to ask questions, search for answers with my fellow interns, and, in every facet of the internship, aim to parallel it with the philosophy of our organization. The 2015 summer internship program experience for me, at its core, showed me that the work of moving forward with our movement need not stop once the summer is over. Through the activities and discussions I participated in this summer, I learned that the work I did there was just the beginning of all there is to learn about and do for our organization." -Hindley "The internship with the NFB Jernigan Institute this summer was the most unique opportunity that I ever received throughout my experience in the United States. It was my first time working in a professional setting, and I had a lot to learn. It was an exciting, challenging, and eventful summer, which made my work experience very original and invaluable. Through a variety of projects that my fellow interns and I worked on, I learned a great deal about advocacy and policy, information technology, and many other areas I'd never thought I would be so interested to explore. I got to work closely with many different people with different personalities, and I was able to discover my own strengths and weaknesses. I learned a lot about working with people in a group, which is a very important skill to possess for an effective leader. Every task that I was assigned was unique and interesting, and it always taught me something new. This summer I've developed great and meaningful relationships that hopefully will last for a very long time. I learned something special from every individual who was a part of my internship experience, and I am going to apply this knowledge in my future endeavors." -Anya "The NFB Summer Internship was unique because the focus was more on [the] process and the acquisition of soft skills than assignment completion. There was an emphasis on the utilization of access tools, the development of alternative strategies, and the acquisition of soft skills required to successfully complete a variety of assignments. Each intern was in charge of their individual projects, accountable for specific aspects of the group assignments, and additionally responsible for providing support to other Jernigan Institute staff. It proved [to be] very challenging to manage when and how to contact Jernigan Institute staff and other members of the NFB for assistance, while balancing the idea of being proactive within a given structure. I refer to this process as "Administrative Structured Discovery." I appreciated the challenge." -Jeremy "My experience as a NFB summer intern was informative and full of great experiences. Growing up in the Federation from a young child I thought I knew what we as a federation were all about. However, spending three months and working with great staff and being mentored was the greatest hands-on experience I could have had. I learned a lot about my weaknesses [and] my strengths. I learned that the job place is full of many diverse backgrounds, stories and tolerances. I learned that the Federation is comprised of ordinary people like you and me, each one of us has something to bring to the table. I enjoyed the trips that we took to build the Federation and strengthen our movement. Serving as the lead on a membership building trip to the NFB of Delaware was a huge awakening for me as to what goes on in the heart of our organization. Listening to the stories of our members and giving them guidance changed my heart and reestablished my faith in our federation. Overall, my experience as a summer intern was one of the hardest growing experiences I have had yet. It stretched me in many ways. I believe that being stretched lets me grow more and enables me to take on new challenges and new opportunities that may come my way." -Tina If you are interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind, prepare the following materials and submit them via email in an accessible electronic format to jerniganinstitute at nfb.org no later than March 11, 2016: 1. A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous involvement you have had with the Federation. Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship. Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from being available from May 30 through August 5. 2. A résumé including current contact information. 3. At least two references with their contact information. We anticipate selecting members of our 2016 internship cohort by April 15, 2016. Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Anil Lewis at 410-659-9314, extension 2374, or jerniganinstitute at nfb.org. Sincerely, Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Executive Director National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 659-5129 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org Twitter: @AnilLife The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. 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Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com Mon Feb 8 19:01:30 2016 From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 19:01:30 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: After having a rough start at Utah Valley University, the head of our ASD dept worked with me to get my classes fixed, we worked to get assistive technology for campus, and they genuinely care so at this point even though accessibility will probably always be a struggle, Utah valley university has some pretty great people. Chelsea Peahl > On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello all, > Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by > disability offices, and I am one of you. > I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and they > wanted me to provide some good examples to them. > Can you give me some university names which are successful at > accommodating students Please? > If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. > Elif > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 20:17:59 2016 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:17:59 +0200 Subject: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: University of Wisconsin Madison, Document conversion, braille printing, and scholarship for adaptive technology, someone being specialized for each different disability. They provide O&M lessons for people who cannot get it through voc rehab. They allow you to loan adaptive technology products. There is a room at the one of the libraries with the braille printer and computer. There is one computer at the each library. What I can say I had great services there. My new university (University of Arizona) is very good as well, but I guess I just got lucky. I did a practicum at the Edgewood College. It is a private small college in Wisconsin. My impression about the disability services around the country is that they are lack of professional staff and there is no guideline across the country regarding what they can or cannot provide. I don’t even know if they have a database to share the converted documents. As far as I know, they cannot do it due to publisher protecting related law. I think higher education does not target people with disabilities to attend college rather they focus on other minorities. This can be a great marketing strategy for students with disabilities. Because college choice theory disregards this aspect which how students with disabilities choose college. A lot of us have lots of barriers even before. Sorry I got into other issues that you may or may not interested with. Thank you 2016-02-08 21:01 GMT+02:00, chelsea peahl via nabs-l : > After having a rough start at Utah Valley University, the head of our ASD > dept worked with me to get my classes fixed, we worked to get assistive > technology for campus, and they genuinely care so at this point even though > accessibility will probably always be a struggle, Utah valley university has > some pretty great people. > > Chelsea Peahl > >> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by >> disability offices, and I am one of you. >> I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and they >> wanted me to provide some good examples to them. >> Can you give me some university names which are successful at >> accommodating students Please? >> If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. >> Elif >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 20:34:20 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:34:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about College of Education Requirements Message-ID: Hello All: As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in teaching blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special education for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I visited the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about a requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates that an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy and reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education program. In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable of teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm wondering whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if so, whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you found it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:08:13 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 16:08:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89139DE2-5651-4140-A02B-344C6C4C20E9@gmail.com> Hello Anil, Are these internship opportunities open to Canadians? Amanda > On Feb 8, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Lewis, Anil via nabs-l wrote: > > National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program > Submitted by mjones on Tue, 01/26/2016 - 07:15 > Blog Date: > Tuesday, January 26, 2016 > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. Since 1940, the members of the National Federation of the Blind have come together in state affiliates and local chapters to share the real life experiences, practical techniques, and innovative strategies we use to transform our dreams into reality. In 2004, we established the National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Fueled by the dreams of the blind of America, the Jernigan Institute is now a leader in creating innovative education programs, accessible technologies, pioneering research projects, and collaborative partnerships that empower the blind to live the lives we want. > As we continue to raise expectations of and for the blind, we realize that we must actively work to empower the next generation of dynamic leaders and innovative thinkers that will dream, develop, and implement the next ground-breaking project or program that changes the lives of all blind people. To that end, we must share our acquired knowledge and life experience with young motivated blind students as they travel their individual paths toward full participation. We seek to accomplish this goal through our National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship program, a unique learning experience that can only be directed by the National Federation of the Blind. > Our National Federation of the Blind 2016 Summer Internship Program will provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation, while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field. Our 2016 summer interns will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. NFB internships will begin on May 30 and end on August 5, 2016 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the annual convention of the National Federation of the Blind to be held in Orlando, Florida, from June 30-July 5, 2016. > Our 2016 summer interns will have the opportunity to engage in a variety of program areas including: > · Access technology > · Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility > · Data management > · Education programs > · Governmental affairs > · Information technology > · Jacobus tenBroek Library > · Membership building > · NFB NEWSLINE® for the Blind > · Outreach and fundraising > · Public relations and social media > The National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Program is like no other. It is filled with unique opportunities for personal and professional growth. The following are some comments from our 2015 Summer Interns: > "The NFB Summer internship program provided me with the opportunity to have a variety of new experiences, ranging from connecting with national leaders both inside and outside of Baltimore, to challenging and honing my own leadership capabilities in a number of settings. In being an intern, and thus present at the national office every day amongst leaders and mentors, the program provides an immersion into NFB philosophy for ten weeks, giving me the chance to ask questions, search for answers with my fellow interns, and, in every facet of the internship, aim to parallel it with the philosophy of our organization. The 2015 summer internship program experience for me, at its core, showed me that the work of moving forward with our movement need not stop once the summer is over. Through the activities and discussions I participated in this summer, I learned that the work I did there was just the beginning of all there is to learn about and do for our organization." -Hindley > "The internship with the NFB Jernigan Institute this summer was the most unique opportunity that I ever received throughout my experience in the United States. It was my first time working in a professional setting, and I had a lot to learn. It was an exciting, challenging, and eventful summer, which made my work experience very original and invaluable. Through a variety of projects that my fellow interns and I worked on, I learned a great deal about advocacy and policy, information technology, and many other areas I'd never thought I would be so interested to explore. I got to work closely with many different people with different personalities, and I was able to discover my own strengths and weaknesses. I learned a lot about working with people in a group, which is a very important skill to possess for an effective leader. Every task that I was assigned was unique and interesting, and it always taught me something new. This summer I've developed great and meaningful relationships that hopefully will last for a very long time. I learned something special from every individual who was a part of my internship experience, and I am going to apply this knowledge in my future endeavors." -Anya > "The NFB Summer Internship was unique because the focus was more on [the] process and the acquisition of soft skills than assignment completion. There was an emphasis on the utilization of access tools, the development of alternative strategies, and the acquisition of soft skills required to successfully complete a variety of assignments. Each intern was in charge of their individual projects, accountable for specific aspects of the group assignments, and additionally responsible for providing support to other Jernigan Institute staff. It proved [to be] very challenging to manage when and how to contact Jernigan Institute staff and other members of the NFB for assistance, while balancing the idea of being proactive within a given structure. I refer to this process as "Administrative Structured Discovery." I appreciated the challenge." -Jeremy > "My experience as a NFB summer intern was informative and full of great experiences. Growing up in the Federation from a young child I thought I knew what we as a federation were all about. However, spending three months and working with great staff and being mentored was the greatest hands-on experience I could have had. I learned a lot about my weaknesses [and] my strengths. I learned that the job place is full of many diverse backgrounds, stories and tolerances. I learned that the Federation is comprised of ordinary people like you and me, each one of us has something to bring to the table. I enjoyed the trips that we took to build the Federation and strengthen our movement. Serving as the lead on a membership building trip to the NFB of Delaware was a huge awakening for me as to what goes on in the heart of our organization. Listening to the stories of our members and giving them guidance changed my heart and reestablished my faith in our federation. Overall, my experience as a summer intern was one of the hardest growing experiences I have had yet. It stretched me in many ways. I believe that being stretched lets me grow more and enables me to take on new challenges and new opportunities that may come my way." -Tina > If you are interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind, prepare the following materials and submit them via email in an accessible electronic format to jerniganinstitute at nfb.org no later than March 11, 2016: > > 1. A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, listing the program area(s) in which you are most interested in gaining experience, and describing the projects that drive your passion in those program area(s). Be sure to include a description of any previous involvement you have had with the Federation. Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship. Also note any scheduling conflicts that would prevent you from being available from May 30 through August 5. > > 2. 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You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture. > > Disclaimer > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Mon Feb 8 21:57:15 2016 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 15:57:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Question about College of Education Requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CB3E415-1AD5-4C73-81BC-5F42BD415CE8@gmail.com> I didn't have to do it in Colorado and it transferred over to Illinois, I do want to inform you that Northern Illinois University has and undergraduate teacher of the visually impaired program. You can go from that program once you graduate to a masters in orientation and mobility, voc rehab etc. I am loving it here on the west side Chicago and highly recommend it Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver > On Feb 8, 2016, at 14:34, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: > > Hello All: > > As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in teaching blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special education for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I visited the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about a requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates that an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy and reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education program. In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable of teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm wondering whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if so, whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you found it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 8 22:00:01 2016 From: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Martin) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 22:00:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [nabs-l] Question about College of Education Requirements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <530759519.1182313.1454968801213.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Chris.I am a recent graduate from Louisiana Tech University in the Master of Arts in Teaching: Teaching Blind Students. For this program you do not have an undergraduate degree in teaching if you want to go the general studies or a different route. If you do want to get a Bachelors in education, Tech also has the Masters of Education: Teaching Blind Students. They are different tracks with the same result. In undergrad I started out in education and changed my last semester to general studies, because I was not interested in teaching in a full class. As an education major in undergrad I had to take the Praxis 1 which covers every subject or have at least a score of 24 on my ACT, not sure of the SAT equivalent, then take the Praxis 2 content knowledge, which for me was elementary since that was my degree, than the Praxis: PLT for elementary. The second two definitely had to be in before I student taught my last semester, but I cannot remember if the first one had to be turned in before I started methods or when I student taught, because I had a high enough score on my ACT to not worry about it again. I went to a small Christian college in Louisiana for undergrad, so I'm not sure what the difference in requirements would be, but that is what I had to do. To enter the MAT program at Tech you need to take the Praxis 2: elementary content knowledge and the GRE. The other two Praxis tests, the Visually Impaired Praxis and the Special Education Praxis, just need to be done before you student teach. I am not too sure about the requirements for the Masters of Education though if you decided to go that route. Dr. Bell would be a great person to call, because her the director the of the Institute on Blindness at Louisiana Tech. I hope this helps and if you have any additional questions or want Dr. Bell's contact information feel free to contact me off list. Thanks,Stephanie MartinMAT TVI NCUEBwork email: stephanie.martini at lincolnschools.orgpersonal email: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l To: pibe-division at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 12:34 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Question about College of Education Requirements Hello All: As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in teaching blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special education for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I visited the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about a requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates that an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy and reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education program. In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable of teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm wondering whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if so, whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you found it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/martinsteph2010%40yahoo.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 01:54:21 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2016 20:54:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale In-Reply-To: References: <009901d16142$8edb0830$ac911890$@gmail.com> <00a901d16146$3be2f670$b3a8e350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Bradley watch wristband is adjustable, if you get the metal one. It is a little different than most metal watch bands I have tried but I grew to like it. I can understand why someone might feel that the face is too thick/sticks up off their wrist too much. -Greg > On Feb 6, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Angela via nabs-l wrote: > > Very true > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 8:12 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >> >> If that's the only problem, you can get the band resized at a jewelry >> store. I have tiny wrists, and did that all the time when I used to >> wear Braille watches. >> Arielle >> >>> On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >>> The watch is to big for my wrist. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Christina >>> Moore >>> via nabs-l >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 8:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: Christina Moore >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bradley Watch for sale >>> >>> What do you not like about it? >>> >>>> On 2/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l wrote: >>>> Hey guys, >>>> >>>> Selling Bradley watch 2 days old. I'm asking $150, paypal preferred. I >>>> thought I'd like it and don't. This price also includes shipping. Ask >>>> any questions or send money through paypal to this email address >>>> blindgeek1989 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Aaron Linson >>>> >>>> Linson Productions >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16% >>>> 40houghton.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7441 / Virus Database: 4522/11566 - Release Date: 02/06/16 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/angelaroberts10886%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Tue Feb 9 05:48:56 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2016 23:48:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Navigation System for Museum Message-ID: The North Carolina Museum of Natural Science today previewed what they billed as a first for museums nationwide, an iphone based indoor navigation system for the Museum’s Nature Resource Center. The system is based on the BlindSquare or BlindSquare Event App and a series of small “iBeacon” transponders. The system communicates through Bluetooth and requires an i-phone as it requires the internal compass to function. In the case of the Nature Resource Center, 30 iBeacon transponders were emplaced in the building, each transponder covering a 20 to 50 square foot area. As the BlindSquare app picks up a specific transponder, it generates a tone. The app then announces the location and describes the environment, based on the compass reading. For example, immediately as you enter the building, the transponder reveals that you are at the entrance. Pointing your iphone straight ahead, you are informed that you are in the main foyer and that the flooring is marble. Pointing the device to the east, the transponder informs you that the main stairway is to the east and that the flooring is carpeted. Pointing the device to the west, the device identifies the elevators, rest rooms, Planet Café and museum store. As you move through the building, you can orient yourself to your surroundings based on the specific transponder that you are receiving and the programming for the specific transponder. The navigation system was a joint project of the North Carolina Museum of Natural Science, BlindSquare and Ed Summers, the manager of the accessibility team at SAS. Speaking with James Benton with the Raleigh Commission on Disabilities, he stated that they would like to see the system adopted by the local shopping malls. They would also like to see the navigation system emplaced at the Raleigh airport as well as the new Union Station rail facility. Carl R. Keehn David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 01:22:45 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 18:22:45 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Events at school Message-ID: <68BC47F9-A79D-4563-BFDF-68117F44B339@gmail.com> How would you handle a situation where a campus club is having a board game playing night? Anna E Givens From jfranks at nfbtx.org Wed Feb 10 03:49:38 2016 From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 21:49:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Events at school In-Reply-To: <68BC47F9-A79D-4563-BFDF-68117F44B339@gmail.com> References: <68BC47F9-A79D-4563-BFDF-68117F44B339@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Anna, A few things I have done in the past with similar situations is: 1. If you have your own adapted Board game, bring that so that you can play along and introduce your friends to adapted games.without having to rely on a volunteer's sight. A good website to find accessible games is http:www.64ouncegames.com 2. Braille or type out the different parts of the game that may require reading( such as in monopoly you can braille or type out the different chance, community chest and the different street, utility and railroad squares with the cost of what the rent is or how much it is to by). 3. If all else fails, you can ask one of your sighted friends to read whatever is required to be read. Hope this helps Jonathan On 2/9/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > How would you handle a situation where a campus club is having a board game > playing night? > > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > -- The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. From kestomberg at coe.edu Wed Feb 10 06:15:04 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 00:15:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Events at school In-Reply-To: References: <68BC47F9-A79D-4563-BFDF-68117F44B339@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Anna, I find that board game nights are pretty social events. So, it's totally okay to bring a friend so that the two of you can be a team for board games! If not, an adaptive board game would be super awesome! Most sighted people find that sort of thing incredibly fascinating, and eye-opening, especially if you're dealing with people that have a "She can't do this" kind of attitude. Either way, board games are fun with the right people, so enjoy them! Kennedy Stomberg On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:49 PM, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello Anna, > A few things I have done in the past with similar situations is: > > 1. If you have your own adapted Board game, bring that so that you can > play along and introduce your friends to adapted games.without having > to rely on a volunteer's sight. > A good website to find accessible games is > http:www.64ouncegames.com > 2. Braille or type out the different parts of the game that may > require reading( such as in monopoly you can braille or type out the > different chance, community chest and the different street, utility > and railroad squares with the cost of what the rent is or how much it > is to by). > 3. If all else fails, you can ask one of your sighted friends to read > whatever is required to be read. > Hope this helps > > Jonathan > > On 2/9/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > > How would you handle a situation where a campus club is having a board > game > > playing night? > > > > > > Anna E Givens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org > > > > > -- > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create > obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:15:35 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:15:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests Message-ID: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? Anna E Givens From jlestermusic at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:43:12 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:43:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine told me that there are, but they have to be special ordered. Thanks On 2/10/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Wed Feb 10 23:45:04 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:45:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Yes. That is how i took both exams. God bless.--Christina > On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > > Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu From annajee82 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:54:05 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:54:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Message-ID: So I guess my question is how to get those? And also, how did you prepare for the exam? Do high schools offer test prep classes? Or what? And if not, how would you prepare? Anna E Givens > On Feb 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > > Yes. That is how i took both exams. > > > God bless.--Christina > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Feb 10 23:55:22 2016 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 18:55:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Message-ID: <80F965A7-24BE-4EC0-9D6E-9EC3900C7005@fuse.net> Yes, and I've taken both in the past year. Let me know if you have any questions. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2016, at 6:45 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l wrote: > > Yes. That is how i took both exams. > > > God bless.--Christina > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> >> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From jlestermusic at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 23:57:08 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:57:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Message-ID: Anna, are you taking it? I'm not sure where to get them, but I'm sure National Braille Press has them. Thanks On 2/10/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > So I guess my question is how to get those? And also, how did you prepare > for the exam? > Do high schools offer test prep classes? Or what? And if not, how would > you prepare? > > Anna E Givens > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Yes. That is how i took both exams. >> >> >> God bless.--Christina >> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From annajee82 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 00:07:36 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:07:36 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Grading Message-ID: Have another question. Does anyone have experience or ideas about grading? There are positions for graders, such as test graders, at Universities. So I am wondering how a blind person might do this. This would involve looking at papers with typed questions and handwritten answers, and then writing on the test papers, among other things. Ideas? Anna E Givens From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 01:13:28 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:13:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Grading In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I graded handwritten test questions, I hired a reader who read me the answers. I typed my feedback up and my reader stapled my printouts to each test. Arielle On 2/10/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > Have another question. > Does anyone have experience or ideas about grading? > There are positions for graders, such as test graders, at Universities. So > I am wondering how a blind person might do this. This would involve looking > at papers with typed questions and handwritten answers, and then writing on > the test papers, among other things. > Ideas? > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 01:15:15 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 17:15:15 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Message-ID: If you are in high school, your TVI needs to order the Braille test and Braille practice materials for you. Arielle On 2/10/16, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > Anna, are you taking it? > I'm not sure where to get them, but I'm sure National Braille Press has > them. > Thanks > > On 2/10/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> So I guess my question is how to get those? And also, how did you >> prepare >> for the exam? >> Do high schools offer test prep classes? Or what? And if not, how would >> you prepare? >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l >>> wrote: >>> >>> Yes. That is how i took both exams. >>> >>> >>> God bless.--Christina >>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT tests? >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From filerime at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 01:31:37 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:31:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all. I was hoping to hear more, but probably most of us are unhappy with the services. 2016-02-08 15:17 GMT-05:00, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l : > University of Wisconsin Madison, > Document conversion, braille printing, and scholarship for adaptive > technology, someone being specialized for each different disability. > They provide O&M lessons for people who cannot get it through voc > rehab. They allow you to loan adaptive technology products. There is a > room at the one of the libraries with the braille printer and > computer. There is one computer at the each library. What I can say I > had great services there. My new university (University of Arizona) is > very good as well, but I guess I just got lucky. I did a practicum at > the Edgewood College. It is a private small college in Wisconsin. My > impression about the disability services around the country is that > they are lack of professional staff and there is no guideline across > the country regarding what they can or cannot provide. I don’t even > know if they have a database to share the converted documents. As far > as I know, they cannot do it due to publisher protecting related law. > I think higher education does not target people with disabilities to > attend college rather they focus on other minorities. This can be a > great marketing strategy for students with disabilities. Because > college choice theory disregards this aspect which how students with > disabilities choose college. A lot of us have lots of barriers even > before. Sorry I got into other issues that you may or may not > interested with. > Thank you > > > 2016-02-08 21:01 GMT+02:00, chelsea peahl via nabs-l : >> After having a rough start at Utah Valley University, the head of our ASD >> dept worked with me to get my classes fixed, we worked to get assistive >> technology for campus, and they genuinely care so at this point even >> though >> accessibility will probably always be a struggle, Utah valley university >> has >> some pretty great people. >> >> Chelsea Peahl >> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by >>> disability offices, and I am one of you. >>> I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and they >>> wanted me to provide some good examples to them. >>> Can you give me some university names which are successful at >>> accommodating students Please? >>> If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. >>> Elif >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 01:43:42 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 20:43:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ec01d1646d$a41c8380$ec558a80$@gmail.com> The University of South Carolina is good; that is the one I attended. They did a pretty good job at working with me to make things accessible. Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:32 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples Thank you all. I was hoping to hear more, but probably most of us are unhappy with the services. 2016-02-08 15:17 GMT-05:00, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l : > University of Wisconsin Madison, > Document conversion, braille printing, and scholarship for adaptive > technology, someone being specialized for each different disability. > They provide O&M lessons for people who cannot get it through voc > rehab. They allow you to loan adaptive technology products. There is a > room at the one of the libraries with the braille printer and > computer. There is one computer at the each library. What I can say I > had great services there. My new university (University of Arizona) is > very good as well, but I guess I just got lucky. I did a practicum at > the Edgewood College. It is a private small college in Wisconsin. My > impression about the disability services around the country is that > they are lack of professional staff and there is no guideline across > the country regarding what they can or cannot provide. I don’t even > know if they have a database to share the converted documents. As far > as I know, they cannot do it due to publisher protecting related law. > I think higher education does not target people with disabilities to > attend college rather they focus on other minorities. This can be a > great marketing strategy for students with disabilities. Because > college choice theory disregards this aspect which how students with > disabilities choose college. A lot of us have lots of barriers even > before. Sorry I got into other issues that you may or may not > interested with. > Thank you > > > 2016-02-08 21:01 GMT+02:00, chelsea peahl via nabs-l : >> After having a rough start at Utah Valley University, the head of our >> ASD dept worked with me to get my classes fixed, we worked to get >> assistive technology for campus, and they genuinely care so at this >> point even though accessibility will probably always be a struggle, >> Utah valley university has some pretty great people. >> >> Chelsea Peahl >> >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by >>> disability offices, and I am one of you. >>> I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and >>> they wanted me to provide some good examples to them. >>> Can you give me some university names which are successful at >>> accommodating students Please? >>> If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. >>> Elif >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40 >>> hotmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gm >> ail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.c > om > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From kestomberg at coe.edu Thu Feb 11 03:05:13 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:05:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples In-Reply-To: <00ec01d1646d$a41c8380$ec558a80$@gmail.com> References: <00ec01d1646d$a41c8380$ec558a80$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I attend a small liberal arts college in Cedar Rapids, Ia, called Coe College. Elif, if you want, you can e-mail me off-list, and I can give you more information. Let me know! Kennedy Stomberg On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:43 PM, justin williams via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > The University of South Carolina is good; that is the one I attended. > They did a pretty good job at working with me to make things accessible. > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir > Öksüz via nabs-l > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:32 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I need successfull DSO examples > > Thank you all. > I was hoping to hear more, but probably most of us are unhappy with the > services. > > > > 2016-02-08 15:17 GMT-05:00, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org>: > > University of Wisconsin Madison, > > Document conversion, braille printing, and scholarship for adaptive > > technology, someone being specialized for each different disability. > > They provide O&M lessons for people who cannot get it through voc > > rehab. They allow you to loan adaptive technology products. There is a > > room at the one of the libraries with the braille printer and > > computer. There is one computer at the each library. What I can say I > > had great services there. My new university (University of Arizona) is > > very good as well, but I guess I just got lucky. I did a practicum at > > the Edgewood College. It is a private small college in Wisconsin. My > > impression about the disability services around the country is that > > they are lack of professional staff and there is no guideline across > > the country regarding what they can or cannot provide. I don’t even > > know if they have a database to share the converted documents. As far > > as I know, they cannot do it due to publisher protecting related law. > > I think higher education does not target people with disabilities to > > attend college rather they focus on other minorities. This can be a > > great marketing strategy for students with disabilities. Because > > college choice theory disregards this aspect which how students with > > disabilities choose college. A lot of us have lots of barriers even > > before. Sorry I got into other issues that you may or may not > > interested with. > > Thank you > > > > > > 2016-02-08 21:01 GMT+02:00, chelsea peahl via nabs-l >: > >> After having a rough start at Utah Valley University, the head of our > >> ASD dept worked with me to get my classes fixed, we worked to get > >> assistive technology for campus, and they genuinely care so at this > >> point even though accessibility will probably always be a struggle, > >> Utah valley university has some pretty great people. > >> > >> Chelsea Peahl > >> > >>> On Feb 8, 2016, at 9:46 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello all, > >>> Most of us are sometimes unhappy with the services provided by > >>> disability offices, and I am one of you. > >>> I complain a lot about the services I got from my university, and > >>> they wanted me to provide some good examples to them. > >>> Can you give me some university names which are successful at > >>> accommodating students Please? > >>> If you can list what they are successful at, it will be terrific. > >>> Elif > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > >>> for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chelsea.peahl%40 > >>> hotmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gm > >> ail.com > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.c > > om > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From kestomberg at coe.edu Thu Feb 11 03:14:11 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 21:14:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests In-Reply-To: References: <2D5B92E3-7D22-467B-B3B2-2D3EBB997F15@gmail.com> <8115D358-162E-47F7-934A-8688BB7687C6@houghton.edu> Message-ID: Ariele is right. Your TVI will have to order them. I think it's only fair to warn you all... They will make you jump through a lot of hoops to get a Braille test, especially if you want additional time as well. They will want medical records, and you may have to send them in more than once. (The first time that mine were sent in, they didn't believe that I was blind!) I'm not trying to scare anyone, I just thought I would let you know! Also, practice tests are super easy to find online! You can literally google Practice ACT Tests or PRACTICE SAT Tests. You can even sign up to get an e-mail every day with a "Practice Question of the Day." I hope everything works out for you with taking these standardized tests! Kennedy Stomberg On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > If you are in high school, your TVI needs to order the Braille test > and Braille practice materials for you. > Arielle > > On 2/10/16, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > > Anna, are you taking it? > > I'm not sure where to get them, but I'm sure National Braille Press has > > them. > > Thanks > > > > On 2/10/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > >> So I guess my question is how to get those? And also, how did you > >> prepare > >> for the exam? > >> Do high schools offer test prep classes? Or what? And if not, how > would > >> you prepare? > >> > >> Anna E Givens > >> > >> > >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Christina Moore via nabs-l > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes. That is how i took both exams. > >>> > >>> > >>> God bless.--Christina > >>> > >>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 18:15, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Do you guys know if there are braille versions of the ACT or SAT > tests? > >>>> > >>>> Anna E Givens > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Joshua Lester > > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 13:29:21 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 08:29:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tests Message-ID: <56bc8ccd.46f80d0a.7e456.ffff8962@mx.google.com> Hi Anna there is a braille version of the Act test. There is also a brailled version of the practice materials. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 12 05:29:46 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 23:29:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BANA-Announce] BANA Elects Officers, Recognized Board Changes Message-ID: > > >Press Release > > > >February 2016 >For Immediate Release > >Contact: Jennifer Dunnam, Chair >Braille Authority of North America >612-767-5658 >chair at brailleauthority.org > > >BANA Elects Officers, Recognizes Board Changes > > > >At its November 2015 meeting, the Braille Authority of North America >(BANA) elected the officers who will serve during the 2016 calendar >year. The officers are Chair, Jennifer Dunnam (National Federation >of the Blind); Vice Chair, Sandra Ruconich (American Council of the >Blind); Secretary, Ruth Rozen (The Hadley School for the Blind); >Treasurer, Jackie Sheridan (National Braille Press). > >The new year has brought additional Board changes. Diane Wormsley, >who has represented AER (Association for Education and >Rehabilitation of the Blind and Visually Impaired) on the BANA Board >since 2004, has retired from her professorship at North Carolina >Central University and is leaving the BANA Board to pursue other >interests. Diane has co-chaired BANA's research committee, and her >amazing memory of BANA actions as well as her thoughtful insights >will be greatly missed. > >Diane's position of AER representative will be filled by Mary Nelle >McLennan, who has been the representative from the American Printing >House for the Blind (APH) since 2007 and just completed five years >as BANA's Vice Chair. Mary Nelle will continue to serve on the >Board, now representing AER. We are grateful to retain Mary Nelle's >depth of knowledge and experience and anticipate her continued >participation and contributions, especially as Chair of BANA's >Publications Committee. > >Cathy Senft-Graves has been appointed as the new representative from >APH, where she is the Braille Literacy and Technology Project >Leader. The BANA Board looks forward to her service. > >BANA's spring meeting will be held May 19-21, 2016, at the Maryland >School for the Blind in Baltimore. Observers are welcome. This >meeting will immediately precede the quadrennial meeting on May >22-26 of the International Council on English Braille (ICEB), which >will occur at the headquarters of the National Federation of the >Blind, also in Baltimore. More details about BANA's spring meeting >will be announced in a forthcoming press release. > >NOTE: This press release is available in HTML on the BANA website at >http://www.brailleauthority.org/pressreleases/pr-2016-2.html. > > >You can follow the work of BANA by signing up for BANA-Announce, a >one-way email list that disseminates news and information. To join >this list, send a blank email message to >bana-announce-subscribe at brailleauthority.org >and follow the directions in the confirmation email that will be >sent in response. You can also follow BANA on Facebook and Twitter! > >The Board of BANA consists of appointed representatives from >seventeen member organizations of braille producers, transcribers, >teachers, and consumers. > >The mission of the Braille Authority of North America is to assure >literacy for tactile readers through the standardization of braille >and/or tactile graphics. > >The purpose of BANA is to promote and to facilitate the uses, >teaching, and production of braille. Pursuant to this purpose, BANA >will promulgate rules, make interpretations, and render opinions >pertaining to braille codes and guidelines for the provisions of >literary and technical materials and related forms and formats of >embossed materials now in existence or to be developed in the future >for the use of blind persons in North America. When appropriate, >BANA shall accomplish these activities in international >collaboration with countries using English braille. In exercising >its function and authority, BANA shall consider the effects of its >decisions on other existing braille codes and guidelines, forms and >formats; ease of production by various methods; and acceptability to readers. > > > David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 12 05:33:36 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 23:33:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [duxnews] SWIFT Announcement from Duxbury Systems Message-ID: > >From: George Bell >Sent: 10 February 2016 22:13 >To: duxuser-repost at freelists.org >Subject: SWIFT Announcement from Duxbury Systems > >Hi All, > >SWIFT is in the final stages towards being formally released, and >has seen quite a few additional features added since the December >Beta. If you have DBT 11.3 (SR1) and would like to try it out, ask >questions, and comment freely and constructively on your findings, >please read on. > >So what is SWIFT? It is a dot com add-on for Word which adds a >"Braille" tab to the ribbon. > >It allows you to open a document in Word, edit where required, and >Open in DBT. But that's just a start. > >Swift's Style Map allows you to select any DBT Template you wish to >use when opening in DBT. You can also "Map" Word's Paragraph and >Character Styles where the selected DBT Template does not show the >Word Style as have a Style associated with it in DBT. > >For BANA users, SWIFT will let you select a BANA Template which will >be applied to the Word document. From there, you can apply BANA >Styles to the Word document itself. > >As well as being able to open your Word document in DBT from Word, >you can optionally select text in your Word document, and only open >the selected text. Moreover, it is also possible to select >non-contiguous sections of text. A good example where this has >helped a user, is to select only MathType equations in a document, >then select to open just the selection.. Result is the ability to >check equations without all the regular text. > >An additional feature is that SWIFT now adds the name of the DBT >Template used to the Word Document. For those who use different DBT >Templates, this is a huge bonus. > >I've repeated below most of Neal Kuniansky's December message below >which give details of what is now Beta 5, and the list details where >you can ask questions, comment, etc.. > >George Bell. > > >Dear DUX: > >A new beta version of SWIFT, our Microsoft Word Add-In for >DBT customers, is ready. > >We've made substantial improvements to the product and will be >pushing hard to have a release-quality product ready by the end of Q1 2016. > > > >SWIFT is free for all DBT customers, but requires DBT 11.3 SR1 to >actually transcribe braille. > >Word 2007 or newer is recommended for SWIFT. > > > >SWIFT with MS Word 2003 may have some functional and accessibility issues > >For more information, or to join the beta program, go to > >http://www.duxburysystems.com/swift.asp > > > > Please be sure to read through the installation instructions! > >And read through the instructions for getting on the SWIFT beta email list. > >(The email list should be used for all questions related to SWIFT >during the beta test period.) The SWIFT development team is eager to >hear from you and to showcase our recent work. > >Warm Regards, > > > >Neal for the entire team here on the pond! > >Cheers, >Neal Kuniansky >info at duxsys.com >+1 978-692-3000 >www.DuxburySystems.com >Duxbury Systems, Inc. >Your braille solution around the globe since 1976! > David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From GCazares at nfb.org Fri Feb 12 15:58:25 2016 From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2016 15:58:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: ADA Award for Young People In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Heads up NABSters. Advocates in Disability Award Program Now Accepting Applications The Advocates in Disability Award (ADA) Program awards and encourages a young adult with a disability between the ages of 14 and 26 who is dedicated to positively affecting the lives of individuals with disabilities and their families. The program also supports an innovative project developed by the recipient to serve and empower individuals with disabilities. The ADA is a joint program of The HSC Foundation and the Mitsubishi Electric America Foundation. The selected recipient is awarded $3,000 in recognition of his or her disability advocacy and will receive up to an additional $7,000 in funding for a project to benefit the disability community. Applicants must be a citizen or permanent resident of the United States at the time of application submission and recipient selection. Applications must be received by 5:00 PM ET on Wednesday, April 13, 2016. * Apply for the Advocates in Disability Award ...Gabe Gabe Cazares Government Affairs Specialist National Federation of the Blind 200 East Wells Street At Jernigan Place Baltimore, MD 21230 E: gcazares at nfb.org P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206 T: @gmcazares The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been automatically archived by Mimecast Ltd, an innovator in Software as a Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a safer and more useful place for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and compliance. To find out more visit the Mimecast website. From matt.dierckens at me.com Sat Feb 13 14:44:38 2016 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 09:44:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Word and Mac In-Reply-To: <5A8C92FE-73A5-42F3-B0AD-A8B48E231EB1@icloud.com> References: <5A8C92FE-73A5-42F3-B0AD-A8B48E231EB1@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9CA6AA2A-2199-4F1D-9CBE-D8E17850C0BB@me.com> Possible, the only problem is that word hasn’t gotten any more accessible for more advanced functions. God bless. Matthew Dierckens Certified Assistive Technology Specialist Macintosh, IOS and Windows Trainer Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140 U.S. phone: 573-401-1018 Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com > On Feb 2, 2016, at 19:00, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > I do that already. Maybe I should clarify. My teacher wants me to type my domumcont in Word. We were trying to do MLA citations today, and I had to fix the margins, which we could not figure out how to do. My teacher even tried doing it without Voiceover, and couldn't figure it out either. I was using Textedit. She said that she uses Word on her mac, and it is great for MLA citations. Would Pages have been better? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 2, 2016, at 6:53 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> >> You don't need to get word, you can open word documents in both pages and TextEdit as well as save in word. >> >> Matt Dierckens >> Certified Assistive technology specialist >> Macintosh trainer >> Canadian phone: 5199629140 >> U.S. Phone: 5734011018 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 2, 2016, at 18:49, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone know if Microsoft Word works with a Mac and Voiceover? My teacher wants me to get word, but I remember hearing that Word doesn't work with Voiceover. Thank you. >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From zumbagecko at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 21:52:09 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 13:52:09 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] itunes problems Message-ID: <56bfa5a9.89b1420a.d62de.ffffc6ae@mx.google.com> Father, I wanted to restore my iphone 5. However, when I try to rstore, it will say "Itunes dialog ok button," then I tab and it says "More information," the restore must have failed. Then I got "The iphone can't be updated, you need to restore it to it's factory settings." I clicked restore and onece again that error. I hit insert and fbled and hit escape. Then I got "Itunes dialog, the iphone iphone could not be restred, an unknown error occured (3014)" What does this mean and how do I fix it? From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 01:23:17 2016 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 17:23:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] The Care and Feeding of Readers Message-ID: <096F5316-3A8D-44E8-BE3B-CC5CB89EE77D@gmail.com> Just ran across this article and thought it might be a good discussion starter. THE CARE AND FEEDING OF READERS by Peggy Pinder From the Editor: One of the most valuable professional skills a blind person can acquire and use effectively is managing readers. The ability to recruit, hire, supervise, and fire people providing this service is vital to virtually every blind person who hopes to succeed in school or employment. Recognizing this fact, the planners of the 1993 National Association of Blind Students Mid-Winter Conference asked Peggy Pinder (Second Vice President of the National Federation of the Blind, President of the NFB of Iowa, and an attorney in private practice) to pass on advice and opinions drawn from her experience during a number of years of working with readers to absorb huge amounts of information. It may surprise you, but it is sound and practical advice for those who must get the most out of every hour of reader time. Here is what she had to say: I have been asked this afternoon to speak about what I have called in my own mind "the care and feeding of readers." It is an important topic for all blind people. I'll begin by defining accurately what we are talking about when we say that we as blind people are hiring a reader. We are not hiring someone to read. If that's what you think you are doing when you acquire a reader, then I think you are starting with the wrong premise. In fact, you are attempting to procure a method of acquiring information, how and when you want it. So the commodity you want is information in the package you define. Most of my remarks today will be directed toward the paid relationship because that is the ideal one. Someday you will be paying readers in connection with your job, and you should get practice doing the same thing while you are still a student. The vocational rehabilitation agency in your state should cover the cost of your readers while you are a student. When you hire this information-acquisition tool, you are clearly in need of something. In the contracted relationship you establish, the other party (the reader) also needs something. Your first job is to figure out what that is. When you can say, "I am the blind person, and I want information," and the other person says, "I am the reader, and I want money," the matter is very clear and tidy. It is possible to establish the contract with some other permutation if you wish, but this one is ideal, because it gives you what you most want-- control. When you go into a reader relationship, you must explicitly and implicitly establish that you are in control. Failing to do so is the biggest single mistake that people make in handling readers. They allow themselves to be convinced that the reader's feelings and needs and desires are the important ones in the relationship. If my reader wants to go to the bathroom, of course I'm going to let her go. I believe that it is important to be courteous to and considerate of people with whom you are interacting, but the reader does not make the determination about when and where and how fast and how long and what; you do. And if you don't go into a reader relationship with that firmly in mind, saying it explicitly and conducting yourself as though you believe it, you will let the reader determine the most valuable thing in the relationship--how much you are going to get out of it. This is true not only because you need a specified quantity of information packaged at a given rate, but because you must also learn how to hire, supervise, and fire readers. In college you can make all the mistakes and learn the techniques in a relatively painless situation. If you master all this by the time you get out into the working world, you will have a leg up on both your blind and sighted competition. The first advantage is that you will know how to get information. You will never be placed in a situation in which you can't get the data you need. Sometimes information is difficult or impossible to scan using today's technology. Most of the material I deal with, for example, can't be scanned. It's handwritten, and there's so much of it that I need to look at bits here and there. So the only efficient way to access it is through human readers. For you as for me, most of the material you will deal with for the rest of your life is likely to require live readers, not computers. A lot of technological development will have to take place over a number of years before this situation is likely to change much. So you need to learn how to interact with readers--find them, train them, and get rid of them. But you also have to learn that you can do it--not the Disabled Student Services Office, not Mom and Dad, not the itinerant teacher, not your roommate, not your boyfriend or girlfriend--nobody but you directs this very important part of your life: the management and acquisition of the information you need! If you come out of your degree program having mastered this skill, you are set for life with one of the most important techniques you will ever learn. Aside from the confidence you will acquire by knowing that, if you lose one reader, you can find two more, you will also be a skilled middle- manager. Your sighted contemporaries don't have to learn to manage their own time and that of others in determining how and when they are going to study. They pick up a book and begin to read. You have learned to deal with scheduling and control issues. If you have mastered the supervision of readers and are confident in your ability to do so, you can justify putting on your resume that you have middle-management skills. When the topic of obtaining readers comes up, most people don't even talk about the things I've been saying here. They say, "I can't get readers." Finding the readers you need is a full- time job until it is done. Every time you lose one, getting the replacement becomes a full-time job again. When I was in college, I got readers by putting up notices on all the dormitory bulletin boards. By the time I got them all up, I usually had more readers than I needed. When I went into the working world, I didn't have bulletin boards anymore, so I put ads in the newspaper. This method also yielded me more readers than I could ever use because with both techniques I swept so widely that I got plenty of opportunities to pick and choose among the candidates myself. I can absolutely guarantee you that, if you place a classified ad in the newspaper, you will have to put an answering machine on your phone line to notify people that you have already filled the position. People are out there looking for jobs or hoping to earn a little extra money. You want to find those people. Don't ever make the mistake of under-advertising for a reader. Personally, I would never take a list from a disabled students services office or anywhere else. I want my readers to know that I am the one who found them, that I outline the job, and that I am the one with whom they have to deal. Not only is it easier to control the situation if the reader needs the cash, but it is a lot easier if he or she is your age or younger. I don't find it easy to control readers older than I, and I never have. I'm sure that is a pretty common phenomenon. There are undoubtedly glorious exceptions, but probably not many, particularly since younger people tend to be the ones who need the most money. As you can tell, I have never had trouble finding candidates for my reading jobs. I begin by telling them what I want, and I assess their reactions to what I have said. I usually give readers a test; I hand them something to read. Almost no one does a good job of reading that first time. I am more interested in assessing their reactions to being given the book, to being told to stop and go to another page. I am assessing their basic reactions to the constraints of the reading discipline, their interest in the money, and their responses to the little speech I make them. I have developed it over the years, and it covers the things that most people are daunted by and the errors that most people make when they read to a blind person. I tell them that I am not looking for someone to give me a dramatic reading; if I want that, I'll buy a ticket to a play. I do not want people to worry about their inflection. In fact, the best readers I have ever had are those who read in almost a monotone, because that is the fastest way for the human body to emit information. It is true that a good speaker of English automatically inflects at punctuation. You can't stop yourself from doing it a little. I tell readers not to worry about making sure to read expressively. Don't give me drama; give me data, as fast as you can get it out. My fastest readers have learned that they can read almost without moving their lips. I often cite the example of the guy I had as a reader when I was a prosecutor. When he was reading to me, people would come to the door and stand there laughing. They would say to me, "You can't understand him," and to him, "You're not even reading." I just shut the door because he and I were perfectly happy; he was reading as fast as he could, and I was listening as fast as I could, and it suited both of us. He also had learned--as have all my best readers--what I tell all of them to learn: the technique of reading without having a clue about what they are saying. I tell readers this because, if they know that it is a good idea, they will develop the technique faster, and if I don't tell them, it will upset them when it happens. I also tell my readers that it is impossible for them to read too fast for me. When I read a recorded book, I automatically double the playback rate. If you can't understand books at a very fast speed, you should practice doing so, because it is an invaluable skill for students or working people who have lots of material to get through. I also tell readers that I have heard every English word and many foreign ones as well pronounced in every possible way. I don't care if they don't know how to say the word correctly. If it occurs frequently, I'll tell the reader how to pronounce it because the mispronunciation will irritate both of us. But by and large I really don't care how they pronounce the word if they will just get it out. If they are really too afraid to take a stab at it, I tell them to spell it and go on. With that little speech I pretty well get very good, very efficient reading right from the start because I have touched on everything readers are most afraid of. And I have told them what my parameters are. Later on, if I have to say that a passage is too dense for them to take at speed, they can slow down. It is much harder to try to speed up a reader who has been used to reading for you at a slow speed. Set your readers at a fast rate first, and slow them down when you need to. I have a few comments about specialized reading. I will take just about anybody as a reader, if he or she can speak the language. I would say that if you are taking a foreign language course, you do need a reader with that specialized knowledge. But in chemistry, mathematics, or symbolic logic, for example, you can train almost any accurate reader who shows up on time to deal with the special symbols. Yes, there is specialized knowledge involved in reading such subjects, but don't assume that you can't do the teaching. After all, you need to know what those symbols mean. If you don't, you have to get the first reader you have scheduled for the course to take the time to describe them to you. You cannot afford to hire readers who already know the symbols and take the attitude that you don't need to know what they look like because the reader will take care of that part. Your response to that attitude must be, "No, you won't. I'm paying you to provide me with the information I want, and that includes the symbols." Don't ever fall into the trap of hiring a knowledgeable reader in a particular subject who then becomes your tutor as part of the reading responsibility. You are not hiring for that function. If you need a tutor, hire one. Your reader must always know that you are in charge: When I say skim, you skim; when I say skip, you skip. Don't put up with pauses or with comments like "Wait, this looks interesting." The other thing you have to make clear is that you expect your readers to read everything on the page unless you tell them to omit it. I am certain that, if you lay down the guidelines I have just described, you will have competent readers. It is your job to schedule your readers in such a way that you will always be able to get the assignments done. This may mean that you will have to find some readers who can be flexible and some who can allow you to increase the time on short notice. You may need to establish the policy with some readers that you can cancel an appointment at short notice. You should structure things in such a way that, when you finish a class, you can sit down and use the time following with a reader. You don't want to have to go to an employer someday and admit that "my reader was sick yesterday, so I lost that hundred-thousand-dollar contract because I wasn't able to read the material." In other words, part of mastering this management skill is learning to do multi- layered scheduling with the option to cancel and scheduling sufficient reader time with the option to increase the hours if necessary. You never want to admit to a professor that you couldn't complete an assignment because you didn't have a reader. That is not a valid excuse. If a reader is not working out for whatever reason, you will know it right away. Remember, you are not locked into keeping him or her; let such readers go. Never mind that you like the person; fire him anyway. You can go out and have beers with him, marry him, or do anything else you want with him, but don't keep him as a reader! You have no responsibility to be nice to that person; your job is to get information out of him. If you want to socialize, do it in some other context, but do not ever fall into the trap of thinking that you have to keep a reader because his or her feelings would be hurt if you severed the reading relationship. Your job is to get rid of poor readers and do it in a civil and humane enough way that you can keep them as friends if that's what you want to do. All that I have said is true in some sense of volunteer readers as well, but the difference is that they are being paid in a form that is not the coin of the realm. Long-term volunteer readers are either motivated by an impulse to be nice to a blind person or fulfilling some requirement imposed by a church or social organization. Either way, they are not responding to you and the money you control. If you are absolutely compelled to use volunteer readers, you must figure out what their motivation is and find a way to turn it toward yourself in order to establish personal commitment and response to you. It is still true that everything I have said about paid readers is also necessary in your relationship with a volunteer reader. Volunteers must read everything on the page, respond to your directions, and get the words out as fast as possible. And, if they don't, you have to fire them too. There you have what I know about readers and the way to establish a good working-relationship with them, delivered as quickly and concisely as I know how to say it. From martinezana770 at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 02:43:06 2016 From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 20:43:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] question about special education major Message-ID: hi all, so I have a question, when I grow up I would like to be an orientation and mobility instructor, I would like to be able to teach all types of blind people, I want to teach people who are just blind and also people who are blind but who have additional disabilities, I thought that it would be benefitial to major in special education and then do a masters in ONM, I've been looking for colleges for the last couple of months and I realized that there are a lot of majors in special education, like special education-miled to severe disabilities, special education-moderate to severe disabilities, ETC. I was wondering which of this majors would be better for what I want to do? thanks! sorry for my english. From nmpbrat at aol.com Sun Feb 14 03:00:26 2016 From: nmpbrat at aol.com (nmpbrat at aol.com) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2016 22:00:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] question about special education major In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <152ddb8ddde-1439-14520@webprd-m36.mail.aol.com> If you want to look at working with people with multiple disabilities, I'd probably steer towards moderate to severe intervention specialist. -----Original Message----- From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l To: nabs-l Cc: Ana Martinez Sent: Sat, Feb 13, 2016 9:44 pm Subject: [nabs-l] question about special education major hi all, so I have a question, when I grow up I would like to be an orientation and mobility instructor, I would like to be able to teach all types of blind people, I want to teach people who are just blind and also people who are blind but who have additional disabilities, I thought that it would be benefitial to major in special education and then do a masters in ONM, I've been looking for colleges for the last couple of months and I realized that there are a lot of majors in special education, like special education-miled to severe disabilities, special education-moderate to severe disabilities, ETC. I was wondering which of this majors would be better for what I want to do? thanks! sorry for my english. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com From mjc59 at comcast.net Sun Feb 14 18:40:37 2016 From: mjc59 at comcast.net (Marci Carpenter) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2016 10:40:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] schools for the blind Message-ID: <1CF19D45-B11C-4274-AB42-10096E2D3B44@comcast.net> Below is an article which appeared in the Vancouver, Washington newspaper which I thought some might find this interesting. This out is not about comparing or contrasting different kinds of schools. Students at the Washington State School for the Blind get more concentrated blindness skills training than is available to middle and high school students in public schools here. The WSSB has a very strong STEM curriculum. http://www.columbian.com/news/2016/feb/14/schools-for-blind-deaf-still-evolving-after-130-years/ From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 15 23:00:37 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:00:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you getting nfbnet-members-list now, we found a problem, and fixed it. Dave At 02:48 PM 1/22/2016, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: >I am having the same problem. > >Sent from my iPad > > > On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l > wrote: > > > > Hello All, > > > > Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the > wrong thing > > for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the > best person > > to contact in regards to this issue. > > > > It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB > > master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried > > presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I > > also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was > provided on the > > information page for this email list without any success either. > So I am not > > quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email > > list. > > > > Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master > email list, > > I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student > > master email list be sent to this email list as well. > > > > Thanks, > > Elizabeth David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 01:18:02 2016 From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:18:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Help Wanted For An Up And Coming Project Message-ID: Do you ever get that warm feeling inside when you are part of a creation? Meaning that your ideas helped to shape something special? That because of insight you gave, something really awesome happened? If you get that satisfaction from helping others, then please read on. After being away from doing so for awhile, some friends and I have decided we want to take on the challenge of launching a radio station again. We know there are many choices for entertainment out there, but we believe we can make the landscape better! Since I gave up Audio Access FM, I've always wanted to do a station again, but decided that I needed to take some time, do some thinking, and really figure out what would work. We have some ideas now, but would like your help. We want this to be a station that you help build, so it becomes part of your world as much as it does ours. We want you to keep coming back for more. If you could spare a few minutes, and take a very brief 8 question survey to help us grow our station idea into a station reality, we'd be most greatful. The survey can be found at http://djdrocks.online/pg All your survey responses will be read from top to bottom, no matter if we get 1 or 200 of them. We are not Comcast asking for your feedback. We are serious about having you help us, your station creators, be part of the creation process with us! Only fill this out if you plan on being helpful, constructive, and want to see a new option for entertainment be available to you. Thank you for your time! >From David And Friends On 2/8/16, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: > Hello All: > > As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in teaching > blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special education > for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a > TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I visited > the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about a > requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates that > an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the > Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy and > reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education program. > In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable of > teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm wondering > whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if so, > whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a > requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you found > it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com > From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 01:37:20 2016 From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron Linson) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 20:37:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Help Wanted For An Up And Coming Project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <152e7b98080.2884.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> I'd love to help the station. As a Podcaster for many years and an audio engineering major. I feel that I can bring a new level of excitement to the station. On February 15, 2016 8:19:13 PM David Dunphy via nabs-l wrote: > Do you ever get that warm feeling inside when you are part of a > creation? Meaning that your ideas helped to shape something special? > That because of insight you gave, something really awesome happened? > > If you get that satisfaction from helping others, then please read on. > > After being away from doing so for awhile, some friends and I have > decided we want to take on the challenge of launching a radio station > again. > We know there are many choices for entertainment out there, but we > believe we can make the landscape better! > Since I gave up Audio Access FM, I've always wanted to do a station > again, but decided that I needed to take some time, do some thinking, > and really figure out what would work. > We have some ideas now, but would like your help. We want this to be a > station that you help build, so it becomes part of your world as much > as it does ours. We want you to keep coming back for more. > If you could spare a few minutes, and take a very brief 8 question > survey to help us grow our station idea into a station reality, we'd > be most greatful. > The survey can be found at > http://djdrocks.online/pg > All your survey responses will be read from top to bottom, no matter > if we get 1 or 200 of them. We are not Comcast asking for your > feedback. We are serious about having you help us, your station > creators, be part of the creation process with us! > Only fill this out if you plan on being helpful, constructive, and > want to see a new option for entertainment be available to you. > Thank you for your time! > From David And Friends > > > On 2/8/16, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >> Hello All: >> >> As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in teaching >> blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special education >> for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a >> TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I visited >> the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about a >> requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates that >> an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the >> Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy and >> reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education program. >> In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable of >> teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm wondering >> whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if so, >> whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a >> requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you found >> it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 05:07:21 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 21:07:21 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Help Wanted For An Up And Coming Project In-Reply-To: <152e7b98080.2884.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> References: <152e7b98080.2884.7549fa432c2fa140dc0abcb8ead640ad@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi David and all, Just a friendly reminder that radio show-related announcements are usually off-topic for this list, unless you explicitly describe how they are blindness-related. Using the word "OT" in the subject line does not make the off-topic message permissible, as it still contributes to the high volume of list messages. Recently there have been complaints about the large number of messages that come through this list. To reduce the email clutter, we want to ensure that all the messages coming through are clearly related to blindness, the NFB, or both. If you would like to receive future announcements from David regarding his broadcasts, feel free to contact him privately. I would like to offer David the chance to send announcements to those who want to read them. This list just isn't the place to do that. Respectfully, Arielle Silverman, Listserv Moderator On 2/15/16, Aaron Linson via nabs-l wrote: > I'd love to help the station. As a Podcaster for many years and an audio > engineering major. I feel that I can bring a new level of excitement to the > > station. > > > On February 15, 2016 8:19:13 PM David Dunphy via nabs-l > > wrote: > >> Do you ever get that warm feeling inside when you are part of a >> creation? Meaning that your ideas helped to shape something special? >> That because of insight you gave, something really awesome happened? >> >> If you get that satisfaction from helping others, then please read on. >> >> After being away from doing so for awhile, some friends and I have >> decided we want to take on the challenge of launching a radio station >> again. >> We know there are many choices for entertainment out there, but we >> believe we can make the landscape better! >> Since I gave up Audio Access FM, I've always wanted to do a station >> again, but decided that I needed to take some time, do some thinking, >> and really figure out what would work. >> We have some ideas now, but would like your help. We want this to be a >> station that you help build, so it becomes part of your world as much >> as it does ours. We want you to keep coming back for more. >> If you could spare a few minutes, and take a very brief 8 question >> survey to help us grow our station idea into a station reality, we'd >> be most greatful. >> The survey can be found at >> http://djdrocks.online/pg >> All your survey responses will be read from top to bottom, no matter >> if we get 1 or 200 of them. We are not Comcast asking for your >> feedback. We are serious about having you help us, your station >> creators, be part of the creation process with us! >> Only fill this out if you plan on being helpful, constructive, and >> want to see a new option for entertainment be available to you. >> Thank you for your time! >> From David And Friends >> >> >> On 2/8/16, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >>> Hello All: >>> >>> As many on these lists know, I have decided to pursue a career in >>> teaching >>> blind students. This means that I'm planning to major in special >>> education >>> for my undergrad degree before going to another college which has a >>> TVI-specific Master's program for my graduate level courses. Today I >>> visited >>> the college I plan to attend for my undergrad work, and I was told about >>> a >>> requirement which struck me as odd. Apparently, Virginia law mandates >>> that >>> an aspiring teacher (no matter their desired content area) must pass the >>> Math Core Praxis test along with their state's communicational literacy >>> and >>> reading assessments in order to enter any college-level education >>> program. >>> In other words, I will have to pass the test which certifies me capable >>> of >>> teaching math before I can even take any education classes. So I'm >>> wondering >>> whether any of you have had experience with this type of program, and if >>> so, >>> whether this is a requirement for any state other than VA? If it is a >>> requirement, what is involved in the test and how difficult have you >>> found >>> it to be? Thanks in advance for your help. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindgeek1989%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:00:43 2016 From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 09:00:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates for February NABS Notes Message-ID: Fellow Federationists, It's that time once again! Please send any updates or announcements from your state student division to me by Sunday, February 21 to be included in the February edition of the NABS Notes. If you have any questions or concerns about state updates or the Notes as a whole, please feel free to contact me. Please send all updates and questions to me at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com . I look forward to reading and including your updates and announcements! All Best, Hindley Sent from my iPhone From justin.a.haegele at hotmail.com Wed Feb 17 14:12:24 2016 From: justin.a.haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 09:12:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey Research Participants Needed (Win $50.00 gift card) Message-ID: Dear Listserv Members: We are conducting a study involving the validation of (2) surveys to explore the beliefs of adults with visual impairments toward physical activity and sedentary behaviors. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged individuals (ages 18 and over) with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete an online survey consisting of 41 questions which should take approximately 20 minutes. All responses will be anonymous and confidential.All participants who complete the online survey will have the option to enter a drawing to win one of two $50.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please follow the link below: http://goo.gl/forms/EDPNw9jBjQ. Please share this link if you know others who would be interested. As a note, we have received feedback about the accessibility of our survey using some screen readers. Our technology has been reviewed by accessibility experts, however, it has some limitations. For most questions, 1 refers to "strongly disagree" while 7 refers to "strongly agree". Thank you for your time,Justin A. Haegele, PhD, CAPEAssistant ProfessorHealth & Physical EducationDepartment of Human Movement SciencesOld Dominion University (757) 683-53382009 Student Recreation CenterNorfolk, VA 23529 From ALewis at nfb.org Wed Feb 17 14:52:42 2016 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 14:52:42 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Youth survey on voting In-Reply-To: <4AA6A4AA139636429F2B3D150DC3D2D001140F3C732A@UTOPIA.CFSBS.local> References: <4AA6A4AA139636429F2B3D150DC3D2D001140F3C732A@UTOPIA.CFSBS.local> Message-ID: FYI As we all know there are limited statistics on disability voting data and there is nearly nothing when it comes to youth with disabilities and voting. YO! Disabled & Proud is working to get the topic of voting and ywd off the floor. A survey has been created start the conversation and build from it. If you are a youth or work with youth between the ages of 18 – 28 could you please pass the survey along to them. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YOVote We will share the results with you and hope that it will give all of us some basic knowledge on what to think about when organizing youth with disabilities on voting and voting priorities. Thanks, Christina N. Mills Deputy Director California Foundation for Independent Living Centers Youth Organizing! Disabled & Proud 1000 G Street, Suite 100 Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 325-1690 x 333 (916) 325-1695 TDD (916) 325-1699 FAX (916) 838-6472 Cell -- The National Disability Leadership Alliance(NDLA) is a national cross-disability coalition that represents the authentic voice of people with disabilities. To subscribe to the list, send a request to gary8970 at gmail.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "NDLA General List" group. 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From dandrews at visi.com Wed Feb 17 16:51:47 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 10:51:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] It's a Brand New Day at Hadley Message-ID: > > > >Three pictures: one male student, one woman with dog, one teach > > > > > > >Dear Hadley Students and Colleagues, > > > >I am excited to share that starting today The >Hadley School for the Blind has changed its name >to Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually >Impaired. This new name reflects the broad >spectrum of students that we serve and how >Hadley has evolved in the 96 years since its founding. > > > > > >The logo features a square icon in plum containing a simulated > > >Along with our new name comes a new logo and >tagline. The logo, pictured above, features a >square icon in plum containing a simulated >braille character ‘h;’ the name ‘Hadley’ >in a large, bold font on line 1; ‘Institute >for the Blind,’ smaller on line 2; and ‘and >Visually Impaired’ on line 3 – with an overall rectangular shape. > > > >Lastly, we have a new tagline, “Educating – >for life.” This tagline will be used in along >with our new name to highlight Hadley’s >mission to promote lifelong learning and independent living. > > > >We hope you are as excited as we are about this >BRAND new day at Hadley. I encourage you to >visit our >newly >redesigned website and to check out the >re-branding >microsite for more details on the rebrand and >how Hadley has evolved over the past century. > > > >Welcome to Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impaired! > > >President Charles E. Young Signature > > > > >Charles E. Young > >President > >Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impaired > > > > > > >Footer reads: Hadley, 700 Elm Street, Winnetka IL 60093. 800.32 > > > > From alpineimagination at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 01:29:00 2016 From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 19:29:00 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Best Cable for Connecting Braillenote Apex with Dell Message-ID: <56c51e80.c6d10d0a.fdf47.ffffc47f@mx.google.com> Hi All, I have a Braille-Note Apex BT 32-35ll and a Dell laptop running Windows 10. I would like to connect the two together and was wonthering which kind of cable I should use. Thanks, Vejas From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 03:26:25 2016 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 21:26:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Best Cable for Connecting Braillenote Apex with Dell In-Reply-To: <56c51e80.c6d10d0a.fdf47.ffffc47f@mx.google.com> References: <56c51e80.c6d10d0a.fdf47.ffffc47f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, You are going to need a mini USB to standard USB cable. You will then be able to connect the apex through Brielle terminal to your PC. You will first, however, need to install the apex USB and jaws drivers. I hope this helps. Aleeha Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2016, at 19:29, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi All, > I have a Braille-Note Apex BT 32-35ll and a Dell laptop running Windows 10. I would like to connect the two together and was wonthering which kind of cable I should use. > Thanks, > Vejas > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Feb 18 18:26:16 2016 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 12:26:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Advice for presentation - Pair Programming for blind and low vision developers Message-ID: I am legally blind and recently graduated from ASU with my BS in Computer Science. About one month ago I started my new positions as a Software Developer/Integrator at USAA. They are working on making the entire company Agile and want to get into much more pair programming. What techniques have you used in pair programming? I will be proposing a talk for the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing on the topic of how to effectively accommodate a blind or low vision developer on your team. So I welcome everyone's input on what works for you and what you would like to see implemented. So far I have found pair programming very difficult. I have enough vision that I use 2 27 inch monitors with ZoomText an have my IDE span the two monitors. If I am the one running the mouse and keyboard then it is fine. I cannot work at any of my teammates workstations as they work in regular size. Not only that, I am extremely light sensitive so I would not be able to read theirs even if magnified. I am currently in training, so one solution we use at times is a 55 inch monitor but I have to stand up right against it and still can't see the top or far side. We also do team code reviews on a monitor mounted on a wall so I am trying to figure out solutions for that and the fact the code review software uses color and I am completely color blind. Thank you for all ideas and advice!!! From bjduarte at asu.edu Thu Feb 18 21:11:03 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:11:03 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] [nfbcs] Advice for presentation - Pair Programming for blind and low vision developers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Suzanne, When it comes to pair programming my situation might be a little different than yours as I am completely blind and rely on a screen reader. When I pair program there are a few different ways in which I have done so. 1. I will have my partner and I develop on my machine with the screen reader running. I will then pair a bluetooth keyboard or even Braille display to my computer so I am able to interact along with my peer. What we will do in this situation is depends on the task and role of each of us. If I am driving the development I will simply do the process as I normally would using my keyboard interactions and screenreader feedback. If my peer is driving the development I ask them to talk me through what it is they have in mind and where they are planning to make the insertion. I am also using a pair of headphones during this time where I am actively listening to the screenreader as my partner either navigates to the location or enters the code. Now to describe how I use the bluetooth keyboard or Braille display. I use this to interact with the code either right before or right after they have entered their code. For me this levels the playing field because I interact with my development environment this way anyways so weather or not I am driving the current cycle I can still hear and interact with the development process. 2. The next method I have used is to use two keyboards, two monitors, and one processor. In this way I can enable the screenreader and plug in to the machine similarly to the situation I described above. The only part about this process is that it requires your partner to be actively including you in what they are doing and where. It is also important that you are actively engaging them during this process so that you both are on the same page. 3. The last method which works well but is not very practical for industry is a tool like Google Docs. I am not sure if there is any software out there which would allow you to view what your partner is doing and where while you follow along in an non-intrusive manor but it works well for pair programming where the development can be modified a little bit. If there is a tool out there similar to Google Docs where you and your partner could follow each other around independently without interrupting their position or development that would be perfect and exactly what you are looking for. When I use the two previous methods above when I interact with the keyboard I am using it will move the cursor they are using as well so you have to be very careful that you both are in constant communication. I want to say I believe there might be a way to use a second monitor, keyboard, and mouse on a computer and have the second one be non interactive but this is completely a guess so dont quote me on it. I just know that when you use two monitors you can have one displaying one thing and a second displaying a different thing. If this is the case I would imagine it would be possible to make that second monitor virtual in the sense that you could move around the screen using your methods and your partner could work as well. Not sure if any of these methods work for you or not but I am willing and interested in trying to figure out what works for your situation. Thanks for asking and hope you figure something out. Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO From bjduarte at asu.edu Thu Feb 18 21:27:11 2016 From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 14:27:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates for February NABS Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <906E9D06-038C-4E7B-A502-9C833884F7C9@asu.edu> I did not reply all:) Go Devils! Bryan Duarte ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO > On Feb 16, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Hindley Williams via nabs-l wrote: > > Fellow Federationists, > It's that time once again! Please send any updates or announcements from your state student division to me by Sunday, February 21 to be included in the February edition of the NABS Notes. If you have any questions or concerns about state updates or the Notes as a whole, please feel free to contact me. Please send all updates and questions to me at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com . I look forward to reading and including your updates and announcements! > All Best, > Hindley > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bjduarte%40asu.edu From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 22:44:40 2016 From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:44:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Md-sligo] LBPH Needs Your Help Immediately References: <000b01d16a9b$bcf40980$36dc1c80$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Hi all, I thought this would be something you all would love to help in. > Begin forwarded message: > > From: nfbmd via Md-sligo > Subject: [Md-sligo] LBPH Needs Your Help Immediately > Date: February 18, 2016 at 17:28:48 EST > To: "'Maryland List'" , "'Greater Baltimore'" , "'Sligo Creek Chapter list, NFB of Maryland'" , , "'NFB of Maryland At Large Chapter List'" , "'Central Maryland Chapter List'" , "'Towson/Lutherville/Cockysville Maryland Chapter List'" , , > Cc: nfbmd > Reply-To: "Sligo Creek Chapter list, NFB of Maryland" > > Hello all, > > The Maryland Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped budget needs to be protected. Next week on Tuesday and Wednesday, February 23 and 24, I want you to call or email the following people and tell them that the staff positions listed in the budget must not be cut. Tell the Senators not to cut $48,470 from the budget. > > The area code is either 410-841 plus the extension or 301-858 plus the extension. > > If you live in Montgomery County, call Senator Nancy King. Her extension is 3686. > > If you live in PG County, call Senator Ulysses Curry, his extension is 3127. > > If you live in Hagerstown, call Senator Andrew Serafini, his extension is 5540. > > If you live in Baltimore city, call Senator Bill Ferguson at 3600. > > Everyone else should call the Chairman of the Senate Budget and Taxation Committee, Senator Edward Kasemeyer at 3653. > > Remember the email address is firstname.lastname at senate.state.md.us . Look for a message in early March with the names of delegates to call. > > Below is a fact sheet about the library budget for your reference. > > > To: Education, Business and Administration Subcommittee of the Senate Budget > and Taxation Committee and > Education and Economic Development Subcommittee of the House Appropriations Committee > From: Members of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland > > Contact: Sharon Maneki, President > National Federation of the Blind of Maryland > 9013 Nelson Way > Columbia, MD 21045 > Phone: 410-715-9596 > Email: nfbmd at earthlink.net > > Subject: Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped Budget > > > > The Maryland State Library for the Blind and Physically Handicapped (LBPH) program was neglected for many years because it had no line item budget in the Department of Education. To remedy this deplorable problem, a new funding formula for LBPH was established during the 2014 session of the General Assembly mandating the governor to fund LBPH to at least 25% of the funding received by the SLRC. > LBPH is the major source of reading material for blind children, senior citizens and working-age adults. This is not a luxury program. Currently, LBPH fails to meet its mission. Blind children are not gaining in literacy skills because they cannot get enough Braille books to read. The books exist, but there is not enough staff to get them to the students who need them. Many blind seniors losing vision do not know about this valuable program because the library does not have enough staff to do outreach and explain the benefits of the program. Lives are seriously diminished due to this lack of information. Blind persons of working age have little access to existing reference material at LBPH because there is not enough staff to answer the phone and provide needed information. > The 2017 budget includes a request for 14 new regular positions for LBPH. This request is not expanding the program. These positions will allow a failing program to function. Currently, LBPH serves merely 8% of its potential customer base. Since people are living longer, and more of the aging population is losing vision, the customer base will be increasing yearly. LBPH needs to be able to serve this growing population. > The Department of Legislative Services must understand that the purpose of the funding formula is to provide staff to keep the doors of the program open. New personnel is the most effective use of this funding since there will be no program if there is no staff. The Department of Legislative Services recommendation to reduce the library budget by $48,470 should also be rejected. LBPH is losing its knowledge base because staff is leaving due to the untenable working conditions. Without an infusion of critically-needed staff, the goal of saving a much-needed program will not be achieved. > > > Sharon Maneki, President > National Federation of the Blind of Maryland > 410-715-9596 > > _______________________________________________ > Md-sligo mailing list > Md-sligo at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/md-sligo_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for Md-sligo: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/md-sligo_nfbnet.org/nesmaaly123%40gmail.com From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 05:18:05 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 22:18:05 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel Message-ID: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do it? Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do you do it with JAWS? I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place for me to be asking this question, please let me know. Thanks! Anna E Givens From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 06:17:16 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:17:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel In-Reply-To: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> References: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013e01d16c6f$8390ce50$8ab26af0$@gmail.com> For the drag, just select where you want to go, and use the fill feature. Control r is fill right, and Control d is fill down. Fill up is alt h f I u, and fill left is alt h f i l. For the other stuff, I don't know. Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:18 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nfb Science Email ; blindmath at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do it? Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do you do it with JAWS? I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place for me to be asking this question, please let me know. Thanks! Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 06:22:11 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:22:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel In-Reply-To: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> References: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <013f01d16c70$335a2de0$9a0e89a0$@gmail.com> If you mean the charts, , do alt n, then control right arrow until you here charts. Then, tab through. You can listen to the differenct key tips, or just tab to what you want. Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:18 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nfb Science Email ; blindmath at nfbnet.org Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do it? Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do you do it with JAWS? I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place for me to be asking this question, please let me know. Thanks! Anna E Givens _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From filerime at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 06:34:06 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 01:34:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel In-Reply-To: <013f01d16c70$335a2de0$9a0e89a0$@gmail.com> References: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> <013f01d16c70$335a2de0$9a0e89a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Anna, Go to the cell that you want to see the result and start typing with the equals sign (=). For example =a1+c3 =b2/b1 You can use cell names or numbers or together For example =a1+5 =7-2 You can use parenthesis for complicated formulas For example =a1*(b1+c1) You can also use word commends such as =SUM(a1:a100) If you use colon sign between the cell names it will sum up everything between those two cells. Others formulas are available but I don’t recall the short versions in English, you may know or look up If you copy this formula and paste it into the b colon it will add up from b1 to b100 You can select multiple cells and copy at ones I hope this helps for now. I did look up a list for the formulas but not able to find a good one. 2016-02-21 1:22 GMT-05:00, justin williams via nabs-l : > If you mean the charts, , do alt n, then control right arrow until you here > charts. Then, tab through. You can listen to the differenct key tips, or > just tab to what you want. > Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via > nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:18 AM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nfb Science Email ; > blindmath at nfbnet.org > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel > > I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to > use > Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the > equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know > that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you > can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do > it? > Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it > down > to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a > bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do > you do it with JAWS? > I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place > for me to be asking this question, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From kestomberg at coe.edu Sun Feb 21 06:45:43 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 00:45:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel In-Reply-To: References: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> <013f01d16c70$335a2de0$9a0e89a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Anna, You are definitely ahead of me. I'm not even certain how to createyou graphs. If want to have the seame equation in multiple cells, I believe that you can select the cell, then copy it with Control C, then paste it into other cells with Control V. You should be able to select which cells you paste the equation into if you want it to be in multiple cells, but I don't remember how. I have to create graphs in Excell for my Chemistry lab, but I have my lab assistant help me with this, as I would need her to make the graphs in a tactile format for me anyway, in order to interpret the data. Still, if there is a way to do this endependently, that would be awesome! On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz wrote: > Hi Anna, > Go to the cell that you want to see the result and start typing with > the equals sign (=). > For example > =a1+c3 > =b2/b1 > You can use cell names or numbers or together > For example > =a1+5 > =7-2 > You can use parenthesis for complicated formulas > For example > =a1*(b1+c1) > You can also use word commends such as > =SUM(a1:a100) > If you use colon sign between the cell names it will sum up everything > between those two cells. > Others formulas are available but I don’t recall the short versions in > English, you may know or look up > If you copy this formula and paste it into the b colon it will add up > from b1 to b100 > You can select multiple cells and copy at ones > I hope this helps for now. > I did look up a list for the formulas but not able to find a good one. > > > > 2016-02-21 1:22 GMT-05:00, justin williams via nabs-l : > > If you mean the charts, , do alt n, then control right arrow until you > here > > charts. Then, tab through. You can listen to the differenct key tips, > or > > just tab to what you want. > > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via > > nabs-l > > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:18 AM > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nfb Science Email ; > > blindmath at nfbnet.org > > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com > > Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel > > > > I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to > > use > > Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the > > equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I > know > > that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then > you > > can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do > > it? > > Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it > > down > > to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a > > bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How > do > > you do it with JAWS? > > I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate > place > > for me to be asking this question, please let me know. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Anna E Givens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From annajee82 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 19:02:15 2016 From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 12:02:15 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel In-Reply-To: References: <3AA1BF8A-FF0E-430F-85C3-862411F73D2E@gmail.com> <013f01d16c70$335a2de0$9a0e89a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks everybody. I will try the things mentioned. For Ken, I am wondering what it is you have to do in Excel. It is easy to create graphs in XL. You can definitely do it independently. I am wondering what kind of graphs you need to create. Which chemistry class are you in? I also am creating graphs for my chemistry lab. And the more advanced it gets the more you will have to use XL or similar programs for graphing and knowing how to calculate things in excel will be extremely helpful. Let me know if I can help. Anna E Givens > On Feb 20, 2016, at 11:45 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote: > > Anna, You are definitely ahead of me. I'm not even certain how to > createyou graphs. If want to have the seame equation in multiple cells, I > believe that you can select the cell, then copy it with Control C, then > paste it into other cells with Control V. You should be able to select > which cells you paste the equation into if you want it to be in multiple > cells, but I don't remember how. I have to create graphs in Excell for my > Chemistry lab, but I have my lab assistant help me with this, as I would > need her to make the graphs in a tactile format for me anyway, in order to > interpret the data. Still, if there is a way to do this endependently, that > would be awesome! > >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Elif Emir Öksüz wrote: >> >> Hi Anna, >> Go to the cell that you want to see the result and start typing with >> the equals sign (=). >> For example >> =a1+c3 >> =b2/b1 >> You can use cell names or numbers or together >> For example >> =a1+5 >> =7-2 >> You can use parenthesis for complicated formulas >> For example >> =a1*(b1+c1) >> You can also use word commends such as >> =SUM(a1:a100) >> If you use colon sign between the cell names it will sum up everything >> between those two cells. >> Others formulas are available but I don’t recall the short versions in >> English, you may know or look up >> If you copy this formula and paste it into the b colon it will add up >> from b1 to b100 >> You can select multiple cells and copy at ones >> I hope this helps for now. >> I did look up a list for the formulas but not able to find a good one. >> >> >> >> 2016-02-21 1:22 GMT-05:00, justin williams via nabs-l : >>> If you mean the charts, , do alt n, then control right arrow until you >> here >>> charts. Then, tab through. You can listen to the differenct key tips, >> or >>> just tab to what you want. >>> Justin >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via >>> nabs-l >>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 12:18 AM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; Nfb Science Email ; >>> blindmath at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing in excel >>> >>> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to >>> use >>> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the >>> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I >> know >>> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then >> you >>> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do >>> it? >>> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it >>> down >>> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a >>> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How >> do >>> you do it with JAWS? >>> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate >> place >>> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 19:05:29 2016 From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 14:05:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And Show Is Here Message-ID: Hi All! Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high energy party, as all birthday parties should be. During the show, get in touch via skype at kjsc.radio via telephone at 602-399-7279 or via twitter at kjscradio And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune in: http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my birthday party! >From David Dunphy On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use > Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the > equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know > that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you > can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do > it? > Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down > to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a > bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do > you do it with JAWS? > I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place > for me to be asking this question, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Feb 21 22:28:09 2016 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 17:28:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi David, I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet radio host who is blind. That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws clearly while the song is playing. How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. Thanks. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: David Dunphy Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here Hi All! Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high energy party, as all birthday parties should be. During the show, get in touch via skype at kjsc.radio via telephone at 602-399-7279 or via twitter at kjscradio And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune in: http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my birthday party! >From David Dunphy On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: > I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to > use > Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the > equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I > know > that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then > you > can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do > it? > Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it > down > to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a > bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do > you do it with JAWS? > I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate > place > for me to be asking this question, please let me know. > > Thanks! > > Anna E Givens > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From kidbrailler at aol.com Sun Feb 21 23:34:08 2016 From: kidbrailler at aol.com (Alonza Harris) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:34:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DCDA90F-1D1B-49FC-9552-F103811C5719@aol.com> Hi Ashley, I also am a broadcaster. There are two software programx you can use on a Windows computer. One is called Sam Broadcaster, and the other is called Station Playlist studio, which I use. In Playlist, you can mute the music with a built-in shortcut key if you use JFw. If you're interested, you may email me off list, and I'll do my best to answer your questions as best I can. Sincerely Alonza. > On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi David, > > I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet radio host who is blind. > That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. > I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws clearly while the song is playing. > How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: David Dunphy > Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here > > Hi All! > Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be > hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. > Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high > energy party, as all birthday parties should be. > During the show, get in touch via skype at > kjsc.radio > via telephone at > 602-399-7279 > or via twitter at > kjscradio > > And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune in: > http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php > Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my birthday party! > From David Dunphy > >> On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use >> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the >> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know >> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you >> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do >> it? >> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down >> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a >> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do >> you do it with JAWS? >> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place >> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kidbrailler%40aol.com From amc05111 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 23:50:17 2016 From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley Coleman) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 18:50:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56CA4D39.4070400@gmail.com> Hi Ashley There are several of us on list who host internet radio shows. There are several free and paid software and hardware packages a person may need to perficiently produce a show. It all depends on what you want to be able to do, and the tools you have to work with. For me, I use a program called Station Playlist Studio. It is a paid program, but it is designed so that the user can easily manage their music. One thing that helps me is that I can internally turn my music volume down so that I can here NVDA, and interact with people on Skype or Team Talk. If you have any questions, please fill free to contact me. Ashley Coleman amc05111 at gmail.com On 2/21/2016 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: > Hi David, > > I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet > radio host who is blind. > That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and > music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but > that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. > I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a > screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype > and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes > together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws > clearly while the song is playing. > How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing > and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: David Dunphy > Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash > And ShowIs Here > > Hi All! > Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be > hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. > Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high > energy party, as all birthday parties should be. > During the show, get in touch via skype at > kjsc.radio > via telephone at > 602-399-7279 > or via twitter at > kjscradio > > And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune > in: > http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php > Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my > birthday party! > From David Dunphy > > On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have >> to use >> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert >> the >> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. >> I know >> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and >> then you >> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could >> I do >> it? >> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag >> it down >> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over >> in a >> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. >> How do >> you do it with JAWS? >> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate >> place >> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 00:34:39 2016 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 16:34:39 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: <56CA4D39.4070400@gmail.com> References: <56CA4D39.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for bringing this back to topic! Arielle Silverman, List Moderator On 2/21/16, Ashley Coleman via nabs-l wrote: > Hi Ashley > > There are several of us on list who host internet radio shows. There are > several free and paid software and hardware packages a person may need > to perficiently produce a show. It all depends on what you want to be > able to do, and the tools you have to work with. > > For me, I use a program called Station Playlist Studio. It is a paid > program, but it is designed so that the user can easily manage their > music. One thing that helps me is that I can internally turn my music > volume down so that I can here NVDA, and interact with people on Skype > or Team Talk. > > If you have any questions, please fill free to contact me. > Ashley Coleman > amc05111 at gmail.com > > > > On 2/21/2016 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: >> Hi David, >> >> I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet >> radio host who is blind. >> That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and >> music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but >> that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. >> I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a >> screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype >> and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes >> together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws >> clearly while the song is playing. >> How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing >> and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Ashley >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l >> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Cc: David Dunphy >> Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash >> And ShowIs Here >> >> Hi All! >> Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be >> hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. >> Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high >> energy party, as all birthday parties should be. >> During the show, get in touch via skype at >> kjsc.radio >> via telephone at >> 602-399-7279 >> or via twitter at >> kjscradio >> >> And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune >> in: >> http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php >> Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my >> birthday party! >> From David Dunphy >> >> On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >>> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have >>> to use >>> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert >>> the >>> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. >>> I know >>> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and >>> then you >>> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could >>> I do >>> it? >>> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag >>> it down >>> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over >>> in a >>> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. >>> How do >>> you do it with JAWS? >>> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate >>> place >>> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Anna E Givens >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:56:10 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 07:56:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E4F6451-5BBC-47B4-AF31-26AB8242E753@gmail.com> Ashley: Thanks for your comments. I'm so happy you have an interest in how radio is done nonvisually! As you have already seen, there are quite a few blind people who are involved in Internet radio in some capacity. In fact, blind broadcasters have played a significant role in popularizing independent Internet stations since the late 90's and early 2000's. As you may already know, I currently serve as General Manager of KJSC Radio, the station which covered NABS events at last year's national convention and on which David is now broadcasting. Prior to taking this position, I hosted a weekly talk show on KJSC, from which I learned a lot about how Internet radio works, though I admittedly don't know much about the ins and outs of production. I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have, and/or introduce you to some of our broadcasters and producers who could show you how the technical stuff is done. Furthermore, if you're interested, we would love to have you observe one or more of our shows from a behind-the-scenes perspective so you could get a firsthand idea of how a show is put together. We've done this before with a variety of interested listeners, some of whom have gone on to start shows or stations of their own. If you have any questions for me or would be interested in observing some of our shows, please email me off-list at my station address: chris at kjscradio.com. HTH, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2016, at 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi David, > > I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet radio host who is blind. > That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. > I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws clearly while the song is playing. > How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > > > > -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Cc: David Dunphy > Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here > > Hi All! > Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be > hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. > Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high > energy party, as all birthday parties should be. > During the show, get in touch via skype at > kjsc.radio > via telephone at > 602-399-7279 > or via twitter at > kjscradio > > And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune in: > http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php > Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my birthday party! > From David Dunphy > >> On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have to use >> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert the >> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. I know >> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and then you >> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could I do >> it? >> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag it down >> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over in a >> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. How do >> you do it with JAWS? >> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate place >> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Anna E Givens >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:08:24 2016 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:08:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Linguistics course Message-ID: Hi everyone, Have you taken linguistics courses? How were they? Thanks, Amanda From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 17:44:18 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:44:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education Message-ID: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> Hi All: Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks in advance for any ideas you could share. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 21:09:22 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:09:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education In-Reply-To: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> References: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> If this is your own school, all someone would have to do is tell you where your event is and you could get thme to the event right? Could you arrive early and braille out where each event is somehow, or just recored their location on a device? Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:44 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Chris Nusbaum Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education Hi All: Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks in advance for any ideas you could share. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 21:46:56 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:46:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education In-Reply-To: <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> References: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> I wish that were possible, and it would certainly make it easier. However, the events are held at a different school in the county, and students from all schools volunteer. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: > > If this is your own school, all someone would have to do is tell you where > your event is and you could get thme to the event right? Could you arrive > early and braille out where each event is somehow, or just recored their > location on a device? > Justin > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > via nabs-l > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:44 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Chris Nusbaum > Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education > > Hi All: > > Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special > Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special > Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, > a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete > to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so > volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day > of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have > difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it > is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I > think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is > set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be > paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the > student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might > confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program > before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks > in advance for any ideas you could share. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Feb 22 21:51:55 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 16:51:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education In-Reply-To: <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> References: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <32778C7C-4133-42AB-A4F5-342D9F487490@icloud.com> I have a friend who does Cross Country. Her parents take her to the field before the game. Could your parents or O and M instructor or another volunteer or even the coordinator do that? Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: > > I wish that were possible, and it would certainly make it easier. However, the events are held at a different school in the county, and students from all schools volunteer. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: >> >> If this is your own school, all someone would have to do is tell you where >> your event is and you could get thme to the event right? Could you arrive >> early and braille out where each event is somehow, or just recored their >> location on a device? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Chris Nusbaum >> Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education >> >> Hi All: >> >> Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special >> Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special >> Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, >> a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete >> to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so >> volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day >> of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have >> difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it >> is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I >> think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is >> set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be >> paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the >> student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might >> confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program >> before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks >> in advance for any ideas you could share. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 22:38:28 2016 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:38:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 Message-ID: Hi all, I love using braille input on my iPhone, but I admittedly have not used it in a while. When I tried to use it earlier today, I found that it no longer position itself and screen away mode. It only works in tabletop. I tried turning off my orientation lock, though it has worked on in the past. No change. I also tried to calibrating the keys and tabletop mode to see if that might make a difference, and looked up an article online to see if that had helpful tips. I don't know what is causing this and how to fix it. I primarily like to use braille input mode while I am out and about, So using it and screen away mode would be really helpful. Any tips or knowledge about this would be greatly received. Thanks. -- Kaiti Shelton University of Dayton-Music Therapy President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division 2015-2016 "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!" From jonathancandler_msa at q.com Tue Feb 23 00:36:06 2016 From: jonathancandler_msa at q.com (Jonathan) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 17:36:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash And ShowIs Here In-Reply-To: References: <56CA4D39.4070400@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56CBA976.2070908@q.com> Regarding radio broadcasting, it's all up to you and what you want to do. For example, I'm a mac person, so everything that I do is on mac. I don't use windows at all. that's not to say that you can't use windows in fact, I know a lot of people who do radio broadcasting who use windows and do it well. But, as I said before. It's all what you want to do and what your needs are. As Chris has said, KJSC radio was a big part of streaming the NABS meeting last year at national convention and I would say if anyone of you would like to sit in on a broadcast who want to know more, get in touch with Chris and we will work out details. We aim to please and please to aim... On 2/21/2016 5:34 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote: > Thanks for bringing this back to topic! > Arielle Silverman, List Moderator > > On 2/21/16, Ashley Coleman via nabs-l wrote: >> Hi Ashley >> >> There are several of us on list who host internet radio shows. There are >> several free and paid software and hardware packages a person may need >> to perficiently produce a show. It all depends on what you want to be >> able to do, and the tools you have to work with. >> >> For me, I use a program called Station Playlist Studio. It is a paid >> program, but it is designed so that the user can easily manage their >> music. One thing that helps me is that I can internally turn my music >> volume down so that I can here NVDA, and interact with people on Skype >> or Team Talk. >> >> If you have any questions, please fill free to contact me. >> Ashley Coleman >> amc05111 at gmail.com >> >> >> >> On 2/21/2016 5:28 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I wanted to make this blindness related. I've never met an internet >>> radio host who is blind. >>> That seems like quite an accomplishment to put your love of radio and >>> music with the tech skills to host a radio show. I know a blind dj but >>> that's the closest I've come to in knowing someone like this. >>> I'm wondering how you do it. Which software is accessible with a >>> screen reader? How will you communicate with participants via skype >>> and play tunes too? I mean, how can you hear jaws and the tunes >>> together? For me, when I've played youtube songs, I cannot hear jaws >>> clearly while the song is playing. >>> How can you select songs one after another given the songs are playing >>> and you'd hear the song and your screen reader. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: David Dunphy via nabs-l >>> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:05 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Cc: David Dunphy >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Your Invitation To Attend My Online Birthday Bash >>> And ShowIs Here >>> >>> Hi All! >>> Thanks to the good folks at KJSC Radio, tonight as a special, I'll be >>> hosting a radio show/birthday bash from 8 PM to midnight. >>> Tune in to hear great music, all your requests, and a fun upbeat high >>> energy party, as all birthday parties should be. >>> During the show, get in touch via skype at >>> kjsc.radio >>> via telephone at >>> 602-399-7279 >>> or via twitter at >>> kjscradio >>> >>> And to listen, go to the following page to select how you want to tune >>> in: >>> http://www.kjscradio.com/classic/radio.php >>> Help me celebrate in style tonight! Can't wait to see you at my >>> birthday party! >>> From David Dunphy >>> >>> On 2/21/16, Anna via nabs-l wrote: >>>> I use JAWS and Excel 2010. I have to make a bunch of graphs and have >>>> to use >>>> Excel. I know how to make the graphs but I do not know how to insert >>>> the >>>> equation for it and insert the R squared value and stuff like that. >>>> I know >>>> that with a mouse you right click on a data point on the graph and >>>> then you >>>> can do it. But I don't think you can do that with JAWS so how could >>>> I do >>>> it? >>>> Also, I would like to insert some equations into some cells and drag >>>> it down >>>> to other cells, instead of typing in the same equation over and over >>>> in a >>>> bunch of cells. With the mouse it's simply click, hold, and drag. >>>> How do >>>> you do it with JAWS? >>>> I would be very grateful for help. And if there is a more appropriate >>>> place >>>> for me to be asking this question, please let me know. >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Anna E Givens >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amc05111%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jonathancandler_msa%40q.com From gpaikens at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 02:02:10 2016 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 21:02:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education In-Reply-To: <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> References: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, What if you and your student were paired with another buddy and his/her student? Then if you needed assistance navigating, you would have a group to travel with but it might be a less overwhelming ratio of buddies to students than the 2 on 1 situation you described. Best of luck. I’m glad you are willing to volunteer your time. Best, Greg > On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: > > I wish that were possible, and it would certainly make it easier. However, the events are held at a different school in the county, and students from all schools volunteer. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: >> >> If this is your own school, all someone would have to do is tell you where >> your event is and you could get thme to the event right? Could you arrive >> early and braille out where each event is somehow, or just recored their >> location on a device? >> Justin >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >> via nabs-l >> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:44 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Chris Nusbaum >> Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education >> >> Hi All: >> >> Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special >> Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special >> Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, >> a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete >> to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so >> volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day >> of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have >> difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it >> is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I >> think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is >> set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be >> paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the >> student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might >> confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program >> before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks >> in advance for any ideas you could share. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:46:10 2016 From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:46:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education In-Reply-To: References: <519B3F3D-D3EF-449F-999E-8BF7D8ACB7C1@gmail.com> <017101d16db5$4dc417e0$e94c47a0$@gmail.com> <3E05440F-D6CE-4260-A952-3A91A841A25B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Great idea, Greg! Thanks for the tip! Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi Chris, > What if you and your student were paired with another buddy and his/her student? Then if you needed assistance navigating, you would have a group to travel with but it might be a less overwhelming ratio of buddies to students than the 2 on 1 situation you described. > > Best of luck. I’m glad you are willing to volunteer your time. > > Best, > Greg > >> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote: >> >> I wish that were possible, and it would certainly make it easier. However, the events are held at a different school in the county, and students from all schools volunteer. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 22, 2016, at 4:09 PM, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: >>> >>> If this is your own school, all someone would have to do is tell you where >>> your event is and you could get thme to the event right? Could you arrive >>> early and braille out where each event is somehow, or just recored their >>> location on a device? >>> Justin >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum >>> via nabs-l >>> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 12:44 PM >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Cc: Chris Nusbaum >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteering with Special Education >>> >>> Hi All: >>> >>> Has anyone had any experience volunteering as a "fan" or "buddy" for Special >>> Olympics? I'm interested in doing this at my high school, and our Special >>> Olympics coordinator is very open to my volunteering in this role. However, >>> a question has been raised as to how to ensure that I'm getting my athlete >>> to the right events. Apparently they don't have a pre-planned setup, so >>> volunteers don't know where each event is placed on the field until the day >>> of the competition. Our coordinator is concerned that I would have >>> difficulty assisting a student to an event when I don't even know where it >>> is myself, and has asked me for ideas on how to resolve this concern. I >>> think this is doable; I just don't know enough about how Special Olympics is >>> set up to offer any informed, workable solutions. She has proposed that I be >>> paired up with another volunteer, and that together we could work with the >>> student to whom we're assigned. However, I'm concerned that this might >>> confuse or overwhelm the student nt. Has anyone particpated in this program >>> before? If so, what strategies could you suggest to make this work? Thanks >>> in advance for any ideas you could share. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cnusbaumnfb%40gmail.com From chapman.candicel at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 13:36:18 2016 From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 07:36:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] February Membership Call: Scholarships! Message-ID: Howdy NABS, As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money. With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money! Sunday February 28th, our guest speaker Patti Chang will be presenting on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship is quickly approaching, what better time to join us and have any and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB Scholarship committee? The call will take place this Sunday February 28th at 7 p.m eastern (6 p.m central, 5 p.m mountain, 4 p.m pacific) on our conference line. Find the details below. Phone: 605-475-6700 access code: 7869673 Hope you can all join us! Best, Candice From zumbagecko at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:40:25 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 09:40:25 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] I believed someone hacked into my google account Message-ID: <56cc99bb.090f430a.31e6f.ffffccfa@mx.google.com> Hi, Hi, Someone hacked to my google account using a windows phone in Reddondo beach CA. I changed my password, but want to also use 2 factor atheuntication to prevent this from happening. Is it accessible with the braillenote? From marlenebtshapiro at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 17:52:39 2016 From: marlenebtshapiro at gmail.com (Marlene Shapiro) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:52:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Radio Show Message-ID: <46BB0C36-1F03-4EB6-854A-80F406C8BFDB@gmail.com> Where is the radio station located? Marlene Shapiro Sent from my iPhone From michaeldforzano at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:12:38 2016 From: michaeldforzano at gmail.com (Michael Forzano) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:12:38 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, It's buggy unfortunately. Try restarting the phone and see if that helps. Mike On 2/22/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote: > Hi all, > > I love using braille input on my iPhone, but I admittedly have not used it > in a while. When I tried to use it earlier today, I found that it no longer > position itself and screen away mode. It only works in tabletop. I tried > turning off my orientation lock, though it has worked on in the past. No > change. I also tried to calibrating the keys and tabletop mode to see if > that might make a difference, and looked up an article online to see if > that had helpful tips. I don't know what is causing this and how to fix it. > I primarily like to use braille input mode while I am out and about, So > using it and screen away mode would be really helpful. Any tips or > knowledge about this would be greatly received. Thanks. > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > University of Dayton-Music Therapy > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present > Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division > 2015-2016 > > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!" > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michaeldforzano%40gmail.com > From chris.omeally at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 20:22:37 2016 From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:22:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have tried to replicate this, and have had no luck. have you tried the basic things, restarting voice over, your phone, and doing a 6 tap of the lock button while voice over is on to perform a respring? On 2/23/16, Michael Forzano via nabs-l wrote: > Hi Kaiti, > > It's buggy unfortunately. Try restarting the phone and see if that helps. > > Mike > > On 2/22/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I love using braille input on my iPhone, but I admittedly have not used >> it >> in a while. When I tried to use it earlier today, I found that it no >> longer >> position itself and screen away mode. It only works in tabletop. I tried >> turning off my orientation lock, though it has worked on in the past. No >> change. I also tried to calibrating the keys and tabletop mode to see if >> that might make a difference, and looked up an article online to see if >> that had helpful tips. I don't know what is causing this and how to fix >> it. >> I primarily like to use braille input mode while I am out and about, So >> using it and screen away mode would be really helpful. Any tips or >> knowledge about this would be greatly received. Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti Shelton >> University of Dayton-Music Therapy >> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division >> 2015-2016 >> >> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!" >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michaeldforzano%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gmail.com > From zumbagecko at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 21:14:53 2016 From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 13:14:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 Message-ID: <56cccc00.0108430a.ca524.636b@mx.google.com> What's a respring? ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher O'meally via nabs-l wrote: Hi Kaiti, It's buggy unfortunately. Try restarting the phone and see if that helps. Mike On 2/22/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote: Hi all, I love using braille input on my iPhone, but I admittedly have not used it in a while. When I tried to use it earlier today, I found that it no longer position itself and screen away mode. It only works in tabletop. I tried turning off my orientation lock, though it has worked on in the past. No change. I also tried to calibrating the keys and tabletop mode to see if that might make a difference, and looked up an article online to see if that had helpful tips. I don't know what is causing this and how to fix it. I primarily like to use braille input mode while I am out and about, So using it and screen away mode would be really helpful. Any tips or knowledge about this would be greatly received. Thanks. -- Kaiti Shelton University of Dayton-Music Therapy President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division 2015-2016 "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!" _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michaeldforza no%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally %40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 gmail.com From jhud7789 at outlook.com Tue Feb 23 21:28:06 2016 From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 21:28:06 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Radio Show In-Reply-To: <46BB0C36-1F03-4EB6-854A-80F406C8BFDB@gmail.com> References: <46BB0C36-1F03-4EB6-854A-80F406C8BFDB@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is at the following website. kjscradio. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7789 at gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404 Twitter https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 FaceTime/iMessage jhud7789 at yahoo.com On Feb 23, 2016, at 11:52 AM, Marlene Shapiro via nabs-l > wrote: Where is the radio station located? Marlene Shapiro Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40outlook.com From jlestermusic at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 07:09:06 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 01:09:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! Message-ID: Hi all. I'm having problems editing my phone number in Gmail settings, for my recovery phone. I have a new number, so I need to change it, but it won't allow me to do so. Also, I can't change my time zone from Adak to CST on iCloud. How can I fix this? Thanks -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From justin.a.haegele at hotmail.com Wed Feb 24 12:22:05 2016 From: justin.a.haegele at hotmail.com (Justin Haegele) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 07:22:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Survey Participants Needed (Win $50.00) Message-ID: Dear Listserv Members: We are conducting a study involving the validation of (2) surveys to explore the beliefs of adults with visual impairments toward physical activity and sedentary behaviors. To conduct this study we need the participation of adult aged individuals (ages 18 and over) with visual impairments. This study will ask participants to complete an online survey consisting of 41 questions which should take approximately 20 minutes. All responses will be anonymous and confidential. All participants who complete the online survey will have the option to enter a drawing to win one of two $50.00 gift cards. If you, or someone you know, is interested in participating in this study, please follow the link below: http://goo.gl/forms/EDPNw9jBjQ. Please share this link if you know others who would be interested. As a note, we have received feedback about the accessibility of our survey using some screen readers. Our technology has been reviewed by accessibility experts, however, it has some limitations. For most questions, 1 refers to "strongly disagree" while 7 refers to "strongly agree". Thank you for your time, Justin A. Haegele, PhD, CAPEAssistant ProfessorHealth & Physical EducationDepartment of Human Movement SciencesOld Dominion University (757) 683-53382009 Student Recreation CenterNorfolk, VA 23529 From chris.omeally at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 13:10:23 2016 From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 In-Reply-To: <56cccc00.0108430a.ca524.636b@mx.google.com> References: <56cccc00.0108430a.ca524.636b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: a respring is not a full reboot of your device, so it does not take as long, but its like refreshing the operating system. Its like a warm reset on the old braille and speak products sort of. Just reloads things. On 2/23/16, petras via nabs-l wrote: > What's a respring? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher O'meally via nabs-l To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 15:22:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille input mode on iPhone 6 > > I have tried to replicate this, and have had no luck. have you > tried > the basic things, restarting voice over, your phone, and doing a > 6 tap > of the lock button while voice over is on to perform a respring? > > On 2/23/16, Michael Forzano via nabs-l wrote: > Hi Kaiti, > > It's buggy unfortunately. Try restarting the phone and see if > that helps. > > Mike > > On 2/22/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote: > Hi all, > > I love using braille input on my iPhone, but I admittedly have > not used > it > in a while. When I tried to use it earlier today, I found that > it no > longer > position itself and screen away mode. It only works in > tabletop. I tried > turning off my orientation lock, though it has worked on in the > past. No > change. I also tried to calibrating the keys and tabletop mode > to see if > that might make a difference, and looked up an article online to > see if > that had helpful tips. I don't know what is causing this and > how to fix > it. > I primarily like to use braille input mode while I am out and > about, So > using it and screen away mode would be really helpful. Any tips > or > knowledge about this would be greatly received. Thanks. > > > > -- > Kaiti Shelton > University of Dayton-Music Therapy > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present > Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts > Division > 2015-2016 > > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you > back!" > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michaeldforza > no%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally > %40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zumbagecko%40 > gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gmail.com > From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Feb 24 19:09:47 2016 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 14:09:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Is Bard Down Message-ID: <4EFDDAC5-D327-4075-9D0C-A454F5662986@icloud.com> Hi, I cm having a hard time accessing Bard, and it seems like it is down. Even someone at the Library for the Blind thinks it is down. Has anyone else tried Bard today, and did it work for you? Mikayla Sent from my iPad From louvins at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 19:50:08 2016 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 13:50:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Is Bard Down In-Reply-To: <4EFDDAC5-D327-4075-9D0C-A454F5662986@icloud.com> References: <4EFDDAC5-D327-4075-9D0C-A454F5662986@icloud.com> Message-ID: I just logged into bard just fine, with no problems. Not sure what the trouble is. On 2/24/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote: > Hi, > I cm having a hard time accessing Bard, and it seems like it is down. Even > someone at the Library for the Blind thinks it is down. Has anyone else > tried Bard today, and did it work for you? > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:09:00 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:09:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Try doing a reset on the phone. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 24, 2016, at 2:09 AM, josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > > Hi all. > I'm having problems editing my phone number in Gmail settings, for my > recovery phone. > I have a new number, so I need to change it, but it won't allow me to do so. > Also, I can't change my time zone from Adak to CST on iCloud. > How can I fix this? > Thanks > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:17:14 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 15:17:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] An Update On My Independence Message-ID: <56ce0ffd.c5e30d0a.70ff8.fffffbd4@mx.google.com> Dear Students, I hope your semester is off to a great start. I'd like to give you an update on my independence. Last Saturday morning I made myself a peanut butter sandwich for breakfast. Yesterday I bought a chocolate chip cookie from the cafe at our library on campus. These are small steps toward improving my independence. From christgirl813 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 20:37:19 2016 From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 12:37:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] An Update On My Independence In-Reply-To: <56ce0ffd.c5e30d0a.70ff8.fffffbd4@mx.google.com> References: <56ce0ffd.c5e30d0a.70ff8.fffffbd4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Cool. I love peanut butter. On 2/24/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Dear Students, > > I hope your semester is off to a great start. I'd like to give > you an update on my independence. Last Saturday morning I made > myself a peanut butter sandwich for breakfast. Yesterday I > bought a chocolate chip cookie from the cafe at our library on > campus. These are small steps toward improving my independence. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com > From jlestermusic at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 02:10:43 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2016 20:10:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is with my Mac. Thanks On 2/24/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Try doing a reset on the phone. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Feb 24, 2016, at 2:09 AM, josh lester via nabs-l >> wrote: >> >> Hi all. >> I'm having problems editing my phone number in Gmail settings, for my >> recovery phone. >> I have a new number, so I need to change it, but it won't allow me to do >> so. >> Also, I can't change my time zone from Adak to CST on iCloud. >> How can I fix this? >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Joshua Lester >> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ >> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in >> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall >> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rbacchus228%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 20:46:34 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 15:46:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! Message-ID: <56cf685f.4fea0d0a.4e5cd.1fbb@mx.google.com> Try restarting your computer and see if that works. From jlestermusic at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 04:03:10 2016 From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2016 22:03:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! In-Reply-To: <56cf685f.4fea0d0a.4e5cd.1fbb@mx.google.com> References: <56cf685f.4fea0d0a.4e5cd.1fbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Tried that. It only shows Adac, and some kind of Samoan time. Also, Gmail won't allow me to change my recovery number. Thanks On 2/25/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > Try restarting your computer and see if that works. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > -- Joshua Lester Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 04:54:24 2016 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 04:54:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Gmail and Apple problems! In-Reply-To: References: <56cf685f.4fea0d0a.4e5cd.1fbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: "Also, Gmail won't allow me to change my recovery number." What's the error? How did you try? On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 8:04 PM josh lester via nabs-l wrote: > Tried that. > It only shows Adac, and some kind of Samoan time. > Also, Gmail won't allow me to change my recovery number. > Thanks > > On 2/25/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > > Try restarting your computer and see if that works. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlestermusic%40gmail.com > > > > > -- > Joshua Lester > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kevinchao89%40gmail.com > From filerime at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 15:24:14 2016 From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 10:24:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone used psychopy before? Message-ID: Hello all, psychopy is a program to design psychology experiments. A student from Turkey has reached me and asked about its accessibility. If you have any experience, could you please share it with me? Thanks in advance. From dandrews at visi.com Fri Feb 26 18:52:23 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 12:52:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Research Announcement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <035201d170c6$d7e37a60$87aa6f20$@visi.com> Blind Individuals Needed for a Research Study! We are a Brown University research team headed by Dr. Elinor Amit trying to understand the effects of thinking style on decision-making. We are looking for blind individuals to participate in a 20-30 minute online survey. All participants will be entered into a lottery to win prizes of up to $85! You may be eligible to participate if you: * Are blind * Are able to complete an online survey using audio screen reading software (not Braille) If possible, we also request that each participant recruit a sighted friend or family member to complete an identical survey. Sighted participants will be entered into a separate lottery for the $85 prize! Click here to get started right away! The entire survey can be completed online. For more information about this study, please call Michal at 781-820-9286 or email us at michal_clayton at brown.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Andrews Date: Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Research Announcement To: Alex Han write me an announcement, including contact information and I will put it on some lists. D ave At 01:19 AM 9/26/2015, you wrote: Hi Dave, I am not blind, or a member of NFB. Alex On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:56 PM, David Andrews wrote: Are you blind? Are you a NFB member? Dave At 08:58 PM 9/25/2015, you wrote: Hi Mr. Andrews, My name is Alex Han, and I am an undergraduate at Brown University studying Cognitive Science. I am working under the supervision of Dr. Elinor Amit who is studying the effects of visual and verbal processing on decision-making. We are in the early stages of a study related to financial decision-making in which we hope to find a population of blind subjects who would be available to participate in an online study. Dr. Arielle Silverman at University of Washington recommended I get in touch with you to discuss possible advertising my research or to distribute a recruitment flyer. The study is in the early stages of development right now, but would consist of a fairly brief online survey. Is this something that you think would be possible? Additionally, if you could point me to any other resources that may help with this I would greatly appreciate it! Thank you very much, -- Alex Han Brown University, 2017 alexander_han at brown.edu (207) 252-8336 David Andrews and Long White Cane Harry dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org Twitter: @dandrews920 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Decision Making Ad.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 104294 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 01:11:59 2016 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 20:11:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Radio No Longer Works Message-ID: <56d0f815.87c30d0a.5434.5154@mx.google.com> Dear Stuents, For some reason ITunes radio no longer works on my Apple devices. When I open up my music app and select the radio tab it lets me select the station that I want to play. After selecting the station it takes me sto the now playing screen and then to apple music. Have any of you had this problem? Is there any way that I can fix his I would really appreciate some help with this issue. From matt.dierckens at me.com Sat Feb 27 03:50:41 2016 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 22:50:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Radio No Longer Works In-Reply-To: <56d0f815.87c30d0a.5434.5154@mx.google.com> References: <56d0f815.87c30d0a.5434.5154@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5508F903-2A74-41D0-B819-4D73BFDC7637@me.com> The only way to fix this issue is to purchase an Apple Music subscription. Matt Dierckens Certified Assistive technology specialist Macintosh trainer Canadian phone: 5199629140 U.S. Phone: 5734011018 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2016, at 20:11, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: > > Dear Stuents, > > For some reason ITunes radio no longer works on my Apple devices. When I open up my music app and select the radio tab it lets me select the station that I want to play. After selecting the station it takes me sto the now playing screen and then to apple music. Have any of you had this problem? Is there any way that I can fix his I would really appreciate some help with this issue. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sun Feb 28 15:59:54 2016 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 07:59:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Radio No Longer Works In-Reply-To: <56d0f815.87c30d0a.5434.5154@mx.google.com> References: <56d0f815.87c30d0a.5434.5154@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20160228075835.0daee6b0@comcast.net> Apple's iTunesRadio is NoLonger FREE & it requires Subscription to AppleMusic to use its Radio (as I recall) At 05:11 PM 2/26/2016, you wrote: >Dear Stuents, > >For some reason ITunes radio no longer works on my Apple devices. >When I open up my music app and select the radio tab it lets me >select the station that I want to play. After selecting the station >it takes me sto the now playing screen and then to apple >music. Have any of you had this problem? Is there any way that I >can fix his I would really appreciate some help with this issue. > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From bre.brown24 at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 19:25:27 2016 From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 13:25:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: February membership call, scholarships Message-ID: Howdy NABS, As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money. With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money! Sunday February 28th, our guest speaker Patti Chang will be presenting on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship is quickly approaching, what better time to join us and have any and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB Scholarship committee? The call will take place this Sunday February 28th at 7 p.m eastern (6 p.m central, 5 p.m mountain, 4 p.m pacific) on our conference line. Find the details below. Phone: 605-475-6700 access code: 7869673 Hope you can all join us! Thanks Bre Brown From kestomberg at coe.edu Mon Feb 29 00:28:14 2016 From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 18:28:14 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: February membership call, scholarships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. My name is Kennedy Stomberg, I can't seem to get into the comferrence. However, I do have questions about the scholarship application process. How can I get my questions answered? Thank you! On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Bre Brown via nabs-l wrote: > Howdy NABS, > > As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money. > With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present > an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money! > Sunday February 28th, our guest speaker Patti Chang will be presenting > on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the > deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind > Scholarship is quickly approaching, what better time to join us and > have any and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB > Scholarship committee? > > The call will take place this Sunday February 28th at 7 p.m eastern > (6 p.m central, 5 p.m mountain, 4 p.m pacific) on our conference line. > Find the details below. > > Phone: 605-475-6700 > access code: 7869673 > > Hope you can all join us! > > Thanks > Bre Brown > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > From mausbun at unr.edu Mon Feb 29 00:39:11 2016 From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 00:39:11 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: February membership call, scholarships In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012966E7@UBOX1.unr.edu> Hello kennedy: I am sorry that you were unable to call into the line. Here are a few ways that you might be able to get your questions resolved, despite missing the call! According to Misses Patti Chang, our wonderful scholarship chairwoman, most individual questions can be easily answered by the Frequently Asked Questions page located at this link (https://nfb.org/scholarship-faq). If there are lingering questions post-call and post FAQ, one can directly contact Mrs. Chang at the following email: pattischang at gmail.com. Hope this helps, Michael Ausbun Board member, national Association of Blind Students ________________________________________ From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org] Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2016 4:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reminder: February membership call, scholarships Hello. My name is Kennedy Stomberg, I can't seem to get into the comferrence. However, I do have questions about the scholarship application process. How can I get my questions answered? Thank you! On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 1:25 PM, Bre Brown via nabs-l wrote: > Howdy NABS, > > As students, we are generally not prepared to turn down free money. > With that in mind the NABS Membership Committee is pleased to present > an opportunity to learn about an excellent source of free money! > Sunday February 28th, our guest speaker Patti Chang will be presenting > on the National Federation of the Blind Scholarship Program. Since the > deadline for applying to the National Federation of the Blind > Scholarship is quickly approaching, what better time to join us and > have any and all questions answered by the Chairwoman of the NFB > Scholarship committee? > > The call will take place this Sunday February 28th at 7 p.m eastern > (6 p.m central, 5 p.m mountain, 4 p.m pacific) on our conference line. > Find the details below. > > Phone: 605-475-6700 > access code: 7869673 > > Hope you can all join us! > > Thanks > Bre Brown > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mausbun%40unr.edu From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 29 01:08:41 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 19:08:41 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] At Last, a Comprehensive eBook on using Pages on the Mac with VoiceOver Message-ID: > >Hi everyone, it's an exciting day for us at >Mosen Consulting as we bring the first of our >new authors online with a book that has been requested regularly. > >“My >Mac Pages” by Anne and Archie Robertson is the >long-awaited, definitive VoiceOver users’ guide to using Pages on the Mac. > >Apple’s iWork suite is bundled free of charge >with many Macs, and is otherwise available from >the Mac App Store at low cost. Pages, the word >processor in the iWork suite, is packed with >features for creating well-formatted, engaging, visually pleasing documents. > > >The majority of Pages’ features are accessible >with VoiceOver, the screen reader built into >every Mac. But to use Pages truly efficiently >and effectively, you need to optimise both the app and the screen reader. > > >Unlock the secrets of document creation with >“My >Mac Pages”. Whether you’re looking to write >a newsletter, present data in tabular or chart >form, or take the world by storm with the next >best-selling novel, “My Mac Pages” is packed >with over 40,000 words of practical advice to help you get the job done. > > >About the Authors > > >Anne and Archie Robertson have been Mac users >for about twenty years. Archie is fully sighted >and Anne is totally blind. Both have worked in >information technology since 1978. Before Mac OS >X, Anne used the screen reader outSpoken for her >work as a translator. She has been using >VoiceOver since it became part of Mac OS X with version 10.4 Tiger. > >They have taught many classes on using Pages >with VoiceOver, and the training they provide is highly regarded. > > >Anne has generously given of her expertise on >many Mac-focused email lists for the blind, and >is widely regarded as the authority on using >Pages with VoiceOver. Now, you can benefit from >all this experience distilled into a comprehensive how-to guide. > > >What You’ll Learn > > >Here’s just a sample of the topics covered in “My Mac Pages”. > > >Optimising Pages for use with VoiceOver > >Working with existing templates, and creating your own > >Basic word processing > >Checking spelling and grammar > >Saving, exporting and printing documents > >Working with styles and assigning shortcuts > >All about fonts and colours > >Text boxes > >Shapes > >Working with a signature to sign documents > >Creating and navigating tables > >Charts > >Images > >Managing footnotes > >Tracking changes > >Making your document truly multimedia with audio and video > >Safeguarding sensitive documents with password protection > >Generating tables of contents. > > >Note: while “My Mac Pages” covers advanced >VoiceOver techniques to assist you in being as >productive as possible with Pages, the book >assumes you are familiar with day-to-day operation of your Mac with VoiceOver. > > >“My >Mac Pages” is available for just $35 USD. 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Use the ePub version on your iPhone or >iPad in apps such as iBooks or Voice Dream >Reader, or load the book into Pages on your Mac >and follow along, the choice is yours. > >We're excited to bring you this new title and hope you find it helpful. > >Thanks for your ongoing business and support. > >Jonathan Mosen >Mosen Consulting >Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training >http://Mosen.org > >You received this message because you opted in >to receive announcements from Mosen Consulting. >If you no longer wish to get these messages, just send a blank email to >announcements-unsubscribe at lists.mosen.org David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org From dandrews at visi.com Mon Feb 29 01:20:03 2016 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2016 19:20:03 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Ohio drawing Message-ID: > > >Screen Shot 2015-11-05 at 10.21.33 AM > >Drawing to be held Friday, April 29, 2016 in Downtown Cincinnati >For more information and contest rules, >visit: www.piggestraffle.com > >GRAND PRIZE: $10,000 CASH ($5,000 TO winning ticket holder & $5,000 >to charity selling the ticket) >2ND PRIZE: 2-YEAR LEASE OF TOYOTA PRIUS >3RD PRIZE: CINCINNATI GET AWAY EXPERIENCE-(over $1,500 value) >Winner need not be present to win. > > >Adopt your piggies: $5 for a single pig, $25 for 6 pigs, $50 for 12 pigs > >100% of your donation to adopt piggies goes to the NFB of Ohio Charity. >You can also attend a weekend of fun for the 18th annual Flying Pig >Marathon and festivities April 29, May 1 and 2nd. Great family fun weekend. > >www.flyingpigmarathon.com >From: "richard" David Andrews and long white cane Harry. E-Mail: dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 13407b3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 29735 bytes Desc: not available URL: From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 29 17:42:25 2016 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:42:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE study guide Message-ID: <023601d17318$8d699010$a83cb030$@gmail.com> I have a friend who has just decided to begin her journey into graduate school. Does anyone know of an accessible GRE study guide? Justin From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com Mon Feb 29 17:53:32 2016 From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 09:53:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE study guide In-Reply-To: <023601d17318$8d699010$a83cb030$@gmail.com> References: <023601d17318$8d699010$a83cb030$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Check out https://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/disabilities. On 2/29/16, justin williams via nabs-l wrote: > I have a friend who has just decided to begin her journey into graduate > school. Does anyone know of an accessible GRE study guide? > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sawhney.kartik%40gmail.com > -- -Kartik Sawhney, +1-(510) 766-3419 (US), +91-9958499435 (India) linkedin.com/in/kartiksawhney/ From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu Mon Feb 29 21:41:14 2016 From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore) Date: Mon, 29 Feb 2016 16:41:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE study guide Message-ID: <56d4bb00.46588c0a.5eba7.ffff98f8@mx.google.com> They offer quite a few versions of accessible study materials. I have the braille test and the CD. God Bless, Christina "Slow down. Just breathe. All we have is all we need...I'm not scared to lose it all when all I have is beautiful." --Icon for Hire