[nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools

Sun Feb 7 19:34:42 UTC 2016

Agreed.
We all have our own opinions but ultimate the parent's know what is
best for thier children.

On 2/7/16, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> You're right, Loren. It is a choice. Let's put this debate to bed,
> guys. How about it?
>
> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide in the
>> public
>> schools?  I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and Sight
>> Saving
>> School.  At the time, it was far superior to what I would have received
>> in
>> my own town.
>>
>> So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the
>> individual
>> student.  Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college education, a
>> Wife,
>> kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life
>> extremely interesting.
>>
>> I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are any closer
>> to
>> being prepared for life than I was.
>>
>> Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice.  One should not be
>> forced to attend one or the other.  If the public school setting works
>> better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can.  If
>> the
>> state school works better for you, then do the same.  Just remember, no
>> school system is perfect.
>>
>> Loren
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
>>
>> I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare
>> them
>> for the real world.  I went to public school until my 11th grade year of
>> school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school.
>> The academics is way behind for high school.  Like some have said, I feel
>> like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions
>> asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same.  How can
>> one
>> develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything without
>> having
>> to fight for it?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome!
>>>
>>>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing"
>>>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely
>>>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was
>>>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the
>>>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility
>>>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I
>>>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind
>>>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A
>>>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your
>>>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it
>>>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who
>>>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few
>>>>> close
>> friends. The "your so amazing"
>>>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit
>>>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the
>>>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly
>>>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment
>>>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for
>>>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be
>>>>> available in one of these schools?
>>>>>
>>>>> Danielle
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of
>>>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of
>>>>>> entitlement.  Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of
>>>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there
>>>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course
>>>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people.
>>>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid",
>>>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on
>>>>>> much more meaningful reasons.
>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of
>>>>>> difference.
>>>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will
>>>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world
>>>>>> where you are a minority in a sense.  Residential blind schools are
>>>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and
>>>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one,
>>>>>> that can be good or bad.
>>>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty,
>>>>>> you name it.  Totals are in on it, too.  The pros: you are around
>>>>>> your own set, if you will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages.
>>>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a
>>>>>> residental student.  I did not mind in any not being at home and
>>>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other
>>>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills
>>>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had.
>>>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me
>>>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole
>>>>>> world was different.  My school was learning how to help me as they
>>>>>> were going and that was challenging at time.  It was not thier
>>>>>> fault, but it was still challenging.  I did well though and am in
>>>>>> college now.
>>>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages.
>>>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself
>>>>>> to classmates Etc.  in a school that is public versus a school that
>>>>>> catters to blindness.  Everyone in my opinion should have an
>>>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way
>>>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where
>>>>>> they finish thier education.
>>>>>> Just my thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits.  If you go
>>>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the
>>>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve
>>>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing
>>>>>> them.  However, I believe that a student should also have some
>>>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to
>>>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not
>>>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness.
>>>>>> The issue
>>>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the
>>>>>> students the world on a silver platter.  They don't have to fight
>>>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly
>>>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in
>>>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school.  I went
>>>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home
>>>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back
>>>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a
>>>>>> visually taught class and things.  I also didn't stay at the
>>>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have.
>>>>>>       In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students
>>>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings.
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> Jessica
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>> Good evening Students,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a question for all of you.  What are the advantages and
>>>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a
>>>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during
>>>>>> the week.  As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program
>>>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind.  I'd like to hear your
>>>>>> thoughts on this topic.
>>>>>>
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