[nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools

Mon Feb 8 17:36:16 UTC 2016

Good morning,

My point. Thank you for your honesty, too! Car At 05:19 AM 2/8/2016, you wrote:
>I honestly don't care for the word.  I say that I'm partially 
>sighted, but that's because I still have vision no matter how little.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 8, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, everyone,
> >
> > Just curious, what do people think of the term BLIND, that is, 
> total abscence of ocular input? It has been my experience that a 
> state of ocular blindness suggests a complete abscence of ocular 
> light, no partials.
> > Please, I wanna hear it all, the good, bad, and yes, the ugly, too.
> > Thank you for reading! Car
> > aides can be a downfall, but they are in such short supply
> >> with all of the overflow in my state, that you are out there on your
> >> own. Which is what happened my senior year.
> >> Plus, there's a lot of itinerant work. And very little time, but
> >> you're right about the aides. And with blind schools (at least mine)
> >> I've gone to prom at least three times.:)
> >>
> >> On 2/7/16, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> > So is that why a blind student must be accompanied by an aide 
> in the public
> >> > schools?  I received a damn good education at Iowa Braille and 
> Sight Saving
> >> > School.  At the time, it was far superior to what I would have 
> received in
> >> > my own town.
> >> >
> >> > So in my humble opinion, it comes down to what works best for the
> >> > individual
> >> > student.  Since leaving IBSSS, I have acquired a college 
> education, a Wife,
> >> > kids, and grandkids, along with many other things that has made life
> >> > extremely interesting.
> >> >
> >> > I have yet to see kids coming out of public schools that are 
> any closer to
> >> > being prepared for life than I was.
> >> >
> >> > Having said this, I do believe it should be a choice.  One should not be
> >> > forced to attend one or the other.  If the public school setting works
> >> > better for you, than get in there and kick butt and get all you can.  If
> >> > the
> >> > state school works better for you, then do the same.  Just remember, no
> >> > school system is perfect.
> >> >
> >> > Loren
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Angela via
> >> > nabs-l
> >> > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2016 8:32 AM
> >> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> > Cc: angelaroberts10886 at gmail.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
> >> >
> >> > I honestly think that Blind Schools shelter students, and don't prepare
> >> > them
> >> > for the real world.  I went to public school until my 11th grade year of
> >> > school, and I'm regretting even going to a blind school.
> >> > The academics is way behind for high school.  Like some have 
> said, I feel
> >> > like blind schools baby and give students everything without questions
> >> > asked, therefore they expect tmhe sighted world to do the same.  How can
> >> > one
> >> > develop self advocacy skills when they are handed everything 
> without having
> >> > to fight for it?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Feb 6, 2016, at 11:11 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Lol. I'm not the only one who gets irritated? Boss awesome!
> >> >>
> >> >>> On 2/6/16, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>> Danielle I agree with you I have had people do the "your so amazing"
> >> >>> comments too and it irritated me too I know what that's like.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "Danielle Sykora via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> >> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> >>> Cc: "Danielle Sykora" <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2016 9:59 PM
> >> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> As someone who has only been to public school, I am extremely
> >> >>>> greatful that my education was in this setting. Although it was
> >> >>>> challenging at times, I'm glad I was in "the real world" from the
> >> >>>> beginning. Though most of my work was available, accessibility
> >> >>>> challenges were always an unfortunate but unavoidable part of life I
> >> >>>> learned to deal with long ago. Most people viewed me as "that blind
> >> >>>> girl", but honestly, this is how it usually is as a minority. A
> >> >>>> similar hierarchy exists among blind people as it does in your
> >> >>>> average school environment. I'm not an overly social person, so it
> >> >>>> doesn't make a huge difference to me--I don't deal with people who
> >> >>>> have a superiority complex and I'm perfectly happy with just a few
> >> >>>> close
> >> > friends. The "your so amazing"
> >> >>>> comments irritate me to no end and I actually tend to discredit
> >> >>>> compliments as products of low expectations, so I'm not sure the
> >> >>>> sense of entitlement happens all that often. Most importantly
> >> >>>> though, I needed to be in an academically challenging environment
> >> >>>> that I'm not sure is always available in a residential school for
> >> >>>> the blind. For example, how many AP science classes would be
> >> >>>> available in one of these schools?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Danielle
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I feel like as a public school student and you are blind, lots of
> >> >>>>> people are amazed by you and you may get a false sense of
> >> >>>>> entitlement.  Particularly in elementary school 'I'm sure a lot of
> >> >>>>> people can relate to th', you get paired with friends who are there
> >> >>>>> to help you at lunch and recess--as you get older this of course
> >> >>>>> doesn't happen, and it can be a shock to some people.
> >> >>>>> I can say now that as a student at LCB I am not "The Blind Kid",
> >> >>>>> and there are groups here, but friends choose each other based on
> >> >>>>> much more meaningful reasons.
> >> >>>>> Vejas
> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> From: Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 6 Feb 2016 21:12:47 -0600
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Schools For The Blind vs Public Schools
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> From someone who has done both, there isn't a whole lot of
> >> >>>>> difference.
> >> >>>>> In public school, you will be the "blind" kid, new, and people will
> >> >>>>> be scared of you, but it helps you deal more with the real world
> >> >>>>> where you are a minority in a sense.  Residential blind schools are
> >> >>>>> like public schools, you'll be the "blind" kid there, too, and
> >> >>>>> depending on the hierarchy, because let's face it there is one,
> >> >>>>> that can be good or bad.
> >> >>>>> The popular kids are usually visually impaired, athletic, pretty,
> >> >>>>> you name it.  Totals are in on it, too.  The pros: you are around
> >> >>>>> your own set, if you will.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I believe both settings have thier benefits and disadvantages.
> >> >>>>> I attended a school for the blind from 2-4 grade and was a
> >> >>>>> residental student.  I did not mind in any not being at home and
> >> >>>>> being at the school for the blind allowed me to be around other
> >> >>>>> kids, advance my braille skills, learn some other necessary skills
> >> >>>>> and gain self-confidence I would not otherwise have had.
> >> >>>>> Once I entered public school in fifth grade it waws a hurtle for me
> >> >>>>> to do math and to accept being in a public school because my whole
> >> >>>>> world was different.  My school was learning how to help me as they
> >> >>>>> were going and that was challenging at time.  It was not thier
> >> >>>>> fault, but it was still challenging.  I did well though and am in
> >> >>>>> college now.
> >> >>>>> I believe both experiences have their advantages and disadvantages.
> >> >>>>> For instance, there is more self-advocacy, need to prove yourself
> >> >>>>> to classmates Etc.  in a school that is public versus a school that
> >> >>>>> catters to blindness.  Everyone in my opinion should have an
> >> >>>>> experience of starting out in a school for the blind in some way
> >> >>>>> and then they should be transitioned into a public school where
> >> >>>>> they finish thier education.
> >> >>>>> Just my thoughts.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2/6/16, jessica hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>>> I believe schools for the blind can have some benefits.  If you go
> >> >>>>> there as a residential student, depending on the school, and the
> >> >>>>> quality of education, you can get a lot of skills that can serve
> >> >>>>> you very well in life after graduation, if you keep practicing
> >> >>>>> them.  However, I believe that a student should also have some
> >> >>>>> public school exposure, to teach self advicasy, as well as how to
> >> >>>>> cope when things when all materials and experiences are not
> >> >>>>> accessible, and optimized for blindness.
> >> >>>>> The issue
> >> >>>>> that I find with blind schools is that they basically hand the
> >> >>>>> students the world on a silver platter.  They don't have to fight
> >> >>>>> for anything, make due with anything that isn't perfectly
> >> >>>>> accessible, and so have no exposure in how to deal with things in
> >> >>>>> the "real world," outside the sphere of the blind school.  I went
> >> >>>>> to a blind school from my third to sixth grade year, and was home
> >> >>>>> schooled through seventh grade, so I struggled integrating back
> >> >>>>> into the school system, particularly in math, trying to adapt to a
> >> >>>>> visually taught class and things.  I also didn't stay at the
> >> >>>>> school, so I did not learn half of the skills that I could have.
> >> >>>>>       In conclusion, I believe it is good to give students
> >> >>>>> experience in both public, and blind school settings.
> >> >>>>> Hope this helps.
> >> >>>>> Jessica
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> On 2/6/2016 4:42 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> >> >>>>> Good evening Students,
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> I have a question for all of you.  What are the advantages and
> >> >>>>> disadvantages of attending a residential school for the blind vs a
> >> >>>>> public school? I could not handle being away from my family during
> >> >>>>> the week.  As a toddler I attended the Early Intervention program
> >> >>>>> at the Perkins School For The Blind.  I'd like to hear your
> >> >>>>> thoughts on this topic.
> >> >>>>>
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