From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Jan  1 07:17:57 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 01:17:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
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Anna,

First off, let me tell you that no matter what challenges you might fae in
math and chemistry, you should believe in yourself, though you probably
already know that.

Second, I can tell you that I used a braille display for my stats textbook,
so I can't tell you about using audiobooks.

However, I did hire a reader to help me with some of the more visual
aspects of the course, such as graphing  and running calculations with
SPSS. (In case you didn't know, SPSS and SAS are statistical software
programs that basically do a lot of the hard math for you, like t-tests and
Chi Square analysis, though it will also do more simple calculations, such
as median and mode.)  When it comes to hiring readers, I recommend that you
hire someone with whom you are familiar if at all possible. Try to make
sure that they have good communication skills if you can. You will probably
need them to describe things like figures, and you deserve to work with
someone who will do a good job! It might also be helpful to ask your DSS
office about ordering some tactile graph paper from the American Printing
House for the Blind. This is super helpful for things like histograms and
scatter plots. (Sorry for the technical jargon!) Either way, I have no dout
you will be successful!

I hope this helps you, and feel free to contact me off-list if you have
more questions about Stats. (it  can be challenging, but it's super fun!
Trust me!)

Happy New Year!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:52 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Arielle is more of an expert than I, but for stats, SAS , is what seems to
> work for stats and JAWS. SPSS worked okay, but I couldn't get full
> functionality; I think I needed to employ a braille display for greatest
> affect with SPSS.  So, Even though you should contact Arielle, SAS is from
> what I understand what works with JAWS and stats.  Anyone on this list,
> please correct me if I am wrong.
> Also, Excel is able to do some stat equations.  You can use the formulas,
> or
> the add ins, but it is not as effective at running stats as the programs
> made for that.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:23 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books
>
> For statistics, but I will be doing more math and chemistry soon.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:16 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > What kind of math is it?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
> > nabs-l
> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:10 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books
> >
> > That's true.
> > However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to
> > use braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can
> > use it a little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
> > Thanks for suggestion though!
> >
> > Anna E Givens
> >
> >
> >>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made
> >> accessible in pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding
> >> a way to use the pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
> >> Justin
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via
> >> nabs-l
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
> >>
> >> I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is
> >> for a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to
> >> use an audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.
> >> In the last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of
> >> my vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did
> >> not go
> > well at all.
> >> So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is
> >> going to take forever...
> >> Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have
> >> some, although not very much experience with working with people like
> >> this. I find it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and
> >> other people's experience.
> >> Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
> >> Have you used a reader?  How was that?
> >> How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book
> >> with the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material
> >> when you are not with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
> >> Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank
> >> you and Happy New Years.
> >>
> >> Anna E Givens
> >>
> >>
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Fri Jan  1 07:21:18 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 01:21:18 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
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Ironically enough, I'm having the same poblem. Was  Word Prediction under
Keyboard Settings?

On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Thanks Meaghan and Aleeha.  I think I fixed the problem.
> Vejas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:22:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
>
> Auto correct is under keyboard settings.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 15:17, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Vejas,
>
> It sounds like maybe your word prediction function may be interfering with
> your messaging.  Sometimes your iPhone will predict a word and unless you
> close the prediction it will enter the work for you.  You can try going
> under your settings and turning off the word prediction function.  That
> might help.  Good luck.
>
> Meaghan
>
>
>
> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just popped up
> yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write them, and the phone
> will sometimes add extra characters for whatever the reason.  As an
> example, I texted one of my friends and "How was your break?" came out "How
> was your breakfast?" (I fixed it before sending it!)
> I thought it might have something to do with Auto Correct, and I went into
> the messages under settings but can't find anything about that.
> Anyone know what it could be?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 19:20:31 2016
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:20:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Notes December 2015
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Fellow Federationists,
Happy New Year! Take a look at the last NABS Notes of 2015, which
includes information about Washington Seminar, scholarships, state
updates, and much more! You will find the NABS Notes below and
attached.
Please contact me off list at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com with any
questions, concerns, or suggestions. Any and all ideas to make the
NABS Notes better in 2016 are welcome!
All Best,
Hindley
NABS Notes December 2015

The National Association of Blind Students --
A proud division of the National Federation of the Blind

In this edition of the NABS monthly bulletin:
1.	The NFB National Scholarship – Apply Today!
2.	Congress Needs Your Stories!
3.	NABS During Washington Seminar 2016
4.	An Update on Our Annual NABS Café
5.	No Barriers Youth
6.	State Updates
7.	December NABS Board Meeting Minutes

The NFB National Scholarship – APPLY TODAY!

Are you legally blind?
Do you reside in the United States, the District of Columbia, or Puerto Rico?
Are you pursuing or planning to pursue a full-time, postsecondary
course of study at a U.S. institution in the 2016 scholastic year?
Are you available to attend the entire NFB National Convention in
Orlando, Florida from June 30-July 5, 2016?
Are you eager to meet Federation leaders and network with some of the
brightest, most passionate mentors out there?

If you said yes to all of these questions, then we strongly encourage
you to apply to our 2016 National Scholarship Program! To recognize
achievement by blind scholars, the National Federation of the Blind
annually offers blind college students in the United States and Puerto
Rico the opportunity to win one of thirty merit-based, national-level
scholarships ranging in value of $3,000 to $12,000. All scholarships
awarded are based on academic excellence, community service, and
leadership.
Visit our website at www.nfb.org/scholarships to begin your application!
Remember: applications, along with all necessary documents, must be
submitted no later than March 31, 2016. Do not wait until the end of
February to start gathering additional information and beginning the
online form.

Congress Needs Your Story!

Have you ever struggled to succeed academically because of
inaccessible software, websites, electronic course materials, or
applications?
Do you receive accessible textbooks late, or even not at all?
Do you feel that your ability to excel in the classroom has been
tampered with due to unequal access to education?

If you said yes to any of these questions, then we need your help!
With just over three weeks until Washington Seminar, the National
Association of Blind Students is making our final push to collect
personal testimonies from each of you. With an ambitious goal of 250
letters, it is up to you to help us reach just that. These stories do
not take more than 30 minutes; and make all the world of difference.
It is much more powerful to present 5+ letters when speaking to your
representatives. Our Congressmen care; and they need to hear from
their constituents in order for change to occur. Particularly for
those students who are not attending Washington Seminar this year, we
need your contribution in order to improve the opportunities for blind
students across our nation. We are briefly sharing our experiences,
urging Congress to support to creation of voluntary guidelines, and
pushing for equal access to education.
Please send all personal letters to Kathryn Webster at
kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.comm by January 10, 2016. If you need
guidance when drafting your letter, please feel free to reach out and
sample letters can be provided. Thank you for your commitment to
changing what it means to be blind.

NABS During Washington Seminar 2016

This year, NABS is hosting an array of events that will surely grab
the attention of any blind student.
Beginning Monday morning, January 25, at 9am, we will kick off 2016
with an engaging, interactive, and enlightening Winter Seminar. Come
join us until noon to hear from our National President, Mr. Riccobono,
our Governmental Affairs team, guest speakers, and so much more.
Still curious after listening to our panel speakers and presenters?
Join us in smaller group discussions moderated by NABS leaders to get
all of your questions answered.
Following the NABS Winter Seminar, we welcome all student presidents
to join NABS President, Sean Whalen, for our Student Presidents
Luncheon from 12-2pm.
>From 2-4pm, join our National Advocacy and Policy team for our
Legislative Seminar where you will learn more about our four issues,
hone in on best practices when conversing with Congress, and get all
of your questions answered before we venture out to Capitol Hill
Tuesday morning.
You won’t want to miss the Great Gathering-In from 5-7 on Monday
evening in the ballroom! Join our Federation family as we kickoff the
week with high energy, comradery, and hope for the future.
Finally, grab a friend and head on over to the NABS Café on TUESDAY
night from 8pm-12am to enjoy some music, treat yourself to the cash
bar, and indulge in some delicious food.

An Update on Our Annual NABS Café

During Washington Seminar, the National Association of Blind Students
hosts an evening event with musical performers, food, drinks, and an
auction. This year, the NABS Café will be on Tuesday night from
8pm-12am.
Have you ever wanted to explore Sea World before or after National
convention? Are you tired of your weak iPhone speakers and need some
heavy duty Bluetooth speakers? Look no further. NABS has put together
a variety of auction items from electronics to trips to a fancy Keurig
maker with an assortment of K-cups!
If auctions are just not for you, no worries! You are more than
welcomed to come on in, meet new friends, interact with old ones, and
snack on some great desserts. You wouldn’t want to miss a performance
from the Federation-renowned Precious Perez and Meaghan Roper of
Massachusetts, as well as so many others!

No Barriers Youth

Leading the Way: Grand Canyon Sound Academy
http://nobarriersyouth.org/programs/leading_the_way
This program is for students who are blind/ visually impaired or
fully-sighted.
A group of 20 teenagers from across the U.S. will be selected to
receive scholarships for a once-in-a-lifetime leadership adventure:
Grand Canyon Sound Academy.
Dates: July 24-August 4, 2016
Student Program Fee and Scholarship: In celebration of the National
Park Service’s 100th birthday, the Natural Sounds and Night Skies
Division is providing generous scholarship support. Youth participants
will only be responsible for paying or fundraising a $300 No Barriers
program fee as well as travel costs to/from Phoenix, AZ. (This
reflects a scholarship of $2,700/person). Selected participants will
be expected to fulfill a set of scholarship requirements before,
during, and after the expedition.
TO APPLY: Submit an online application and correlating materials here:
https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy/
Application Deadline: January 8, 2016

State Updates

All state updates are printed below as they were received from their senders.

    Arizona
Greetings and happy holidays from Arizona students! Here in the great
state of Arizona where the sun shines year round and Mr. Clause has to
shed a few layers before making his annual deliveries, we are excited
to share some holiday updates. Last weekend several Arizona chapters
held their holiday parties and it proved to be an excellent time to
raise funds for the student division. Across the North valley to the
Southern area of Arizona we auctioned of holiday gift baskets and were
able to raise over $500. As the end of the year approaches and we are
nearing the New Year we feel it is necessary to begin 2016 with some
fun. Following our Christmas fundraisers we are looking into an event
for New Year’s to raise awareness and do some recruiting. This year
AzABS is sending two board members to Washington Seminar to represent
Arizona and advocate on behalf of blind students all across the
Nation. As mentioned previously we are working on planning an Arizona
student seminar aimed to raise awareness of the NFB and how to get
involved, how to plan for the transition between high school and
college, and other fun topics. Things are coming together nicely and
very soon we will be sharing the details of the event with you all.

    Colorado
Winter has set in and Christmas is coming up, so the Colorado students
got together last weekend for an afternoon of ice skating downtown
Denver, followed by a night out at dinner.  We enjoyed getting
together with new and old friends before we head out for the holiday.
In the New Year, we will be starting our NFL play-offs survivors’ pool
to raise funds for the division.  Everyone is welcome to participate.
We are still planning a leadership seminar among other things.  Stay
tuned for much more to come in the New Year.
Happy Holidays!

    Louisiana
On the last weekend of October LABS had our annual student seminar. We
had around 40 participants from high school, college, and some LCB
students as well. We had a presentation by Dr Bell and his wife
talking about working with disability services, rehab, using
readers/drivers, along with other aspects of college. We also
introduced the various aspects of the NFB, discussing the difference
between and getting involved in chapters, divisions, and affiliates to
all the students in attendance. We had many other things going on
throughout the day on Saturday and the students were able hang out
Friday night and Saturday night with different activities to get
acquainted with one another and build friendships that will hopefully
last for a long time. The students left on Sunday morning to head back
home. We had a great turnout and everyone seemed to enjoy the weekend
and learn a lot of new information. I want to thank Pam Allen, Eric
Guillory, Bre Brown, Treva Olivero, and the LABS board for a great
weekend.
Now we are getting information out for our state scholarship and
getting ready for our state convention in April.

    Massachusetts
MASSABS is excited, with NABS and NFBMA help, to be sending five
students to Washington Seminar.  Almost 50% of the NFBMA delegation
will be students, 4 of whom have never been to Washington Seminar.
MASSABS will be hosting our winter student social in January at
Boarder Cafe, a Mexican restaurant located in Harvard Square.  This
will mark the five consecutive quarterly social we've hosted and will
be the one year anniversary of the revitalization of the NFBMA student
division.
Finally, because students graduate every year, we are in the process
of culling our membership and email database to reflect only current
students living in MA.  However, we will be adding some additional
students this year as they apply for our state scholarship which has a
deadline of December 31.
As we celebrate a fantastic year of growth in 2015, we are looking to
increase fundraising and engagement in 2016.

    North Carolina
NCABS is kicking off 2016 with one of our student seminars! On January
30, 2016, NCABS will host a seminar on financial planning and social
security benefits.  That's right! The entire day is about money and
how you can plan for the future.  The session will run from
12:30-2:30pm.  It will be held in Fisher Building on the Governor
Morehead School campus.
We look forward to seeing lots of you at Washington Seminar, as we are
helping send five great students in North Carolina up to DC to
advocate for blind people in America and educating the public on our
abilities as active members of society!

December NABS Board Meeting Minutes

National Association of Blind Students
Board Meeting Minutes
December 20, 2015

Meeting called to order at 9:02 p.m.

 Members Present:

Sean Whalen (President)
Candice Chapman (1st Vice President)
Bre Brown (2nd Vice President)
Kathryn Webster (Secretary/Treasurer)
Hindley Williams (Board Member 1)
Chris Nusbaum (Board member 3)
Michael Ausbun (Board Member 4)

Treasurer’s Report:
Checking account: $4,741.38
Savings Account: $1,720.61
Awaiting $50 check from Karen Anderson from last year’s auction.

 Committee Reports

Communications:
Social media: Continuously increasing our friends on Facebook and
followers on Twitter. Friend us on Facebook at NABS Link and follow us
on Twitter @nabslink.
Student slate: Blogs up for December! Nefertiti and Alex Anderson
wrote reflections on the Legislative Leadership Workshop.
NABS Notes: Coming out for December! Send any important info or state
updates to Hindley at hbwilliams at gmail.com.

Fundraising:
Wash Sem funding wrap-up: Funding almost 30 students to attend
Washington Seminar. Coming in slightly under budget which is great!
Will be finalized soon. Estimated cost is $5500 total. President has
agreed to reimburse NABS for half out of general funds. Students who
are receiving funding are required to attend multiple events at Wash
Sem, including the legislative seminar.
Auction items/logistics: Please let Kathryn know if your
affiliate/chapter/student division can donate any items/gift cards.

Legislative:
Letters: We are making the final push for Washington Seminar. Please
encourage all students to write letters. These should be in by January
1, no later than two and a half weeks before Wash Sem. Send letters to
Sean or Kathryn.

Membership:
Math call wrap-up: 20+ people on the call on Sunday, December 13. Good
questions; Eric Guillory and John Miller were guest speakers;
recording will be out soon on website and list!
Training Center story project: Will start working on this with
committee. Leaders identified.
New membership call in February (likely on scholarships)

State Updates

Hindley Williams:
Alaska: in contact regularly
Georgia: Hindley was there in October; successful Convention; few
students attending Wash Sem; regular calls
Kansas: Hindley was there; lots of energy; affiliate is very supportive
Nebraska: just got new president
Pennsylvania: Hindley is student president; trying to get a student
seminar off the ground; 5 students coming to Wash Sem
Washington: new division, new president
Vermont: Difficult because of no student division; affiliate contact;
will continue to follow-up

Chris Nusbaum:
Maryland is doing really well; board retreat on January 2; Kathryn
attends conference calls monthly with the board to kick start new
division
All other states are unresponsive.

Michael Ausbyn:
Alabama: up and rising
Maine: no student division, but Dylan-Hedtler-Gaudette is going to
help start one
Nevada: new board members; couple of people attending Wash Sem
Ohio: trying to restart student division
Oklahoma: working with affiliate president
Puerto Rico: difficult contact
South Carolina: working on membership, fundraising, and communication
with new board

New Business:

NABS Board meeting during Washington Seminar before the Great
Gathering In. More information will come.

Sean will send out a vote for a NABS Rep in Massachusetts.

Meeting adjourned at 9:42 p.m.

As always, please do not hesitate to contact us with any questions,
concerns or suggestions. The NABS Board works for you, and we want to
know how we’re doing! Thanks for reading, and we’ll be back in
January.

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.


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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 19:28:33 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:28:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
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References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS291B0CD9F138F0C34C15E30BAFF0@phx.gbl>

Hello Anna,

I took an entry level pre-algebra math class with a reader in a lab style
class a couple of years ago. The lab style of the class was something that
was offered to all students, and this class setting seemed to be the best
option for me to be able to use a reader provided by the disabilities
office. This class setting allowed students to go through the course at
their own pace with more one on one time with math professors in areas where
the student needed the most help.

Since there was no set class time for this course, I would meet with a
reader from the disabilities office for the time that would have been
allotted for a regular class session for this course. I would have the
reader help me read through the textbook, and help me work through the
problems assigned to the different sections of the textbook. Since I learned
math as a sighted person, I was able to visualize the concepts and math
problems as the reader was describing them to me. I would have the reader
write out the math problems as I went through them. However, I was the one
who did all the work in solving the problems.  The reader simply wrote down
what I told them to write, and would read what I asked them to write down
for me so I could proceed to the next step in the problem.

I think the key to my success was working with a reader who had a good
understanding of math. I am not sure how many math classes my reader took,
but I heard he had worked as a math reader for someone in the past, and this
gave me a bit more confidence in using a reader for my math class. I also
think it was helpful to work on the math problems one step at a time. Once
each step was completed, my reader would read me the step that was just
completed so I could use this information to go on to the next step of the
math problem. Perhaps this may sound rather tedious to some, but it seems to
me that completing math problems in Braille would be just as tedious.

I still have yet to figure out how to complete my math classes as a blind
student who does not know Braille very well. However, I would like to find a
way to complete my math classes in a regular classroom setting. On the most
recent membership conference call where they talked a lot about taking math
classes, one of the pieces of advice they gave was to find a reader who has
completed calculus as they will be more likely to be familiar with the math
symbols you will come across in your class. In a case like yours where you
have the textbook in an audio format, I think the most efficient way to use
your time would be to read through the concepts on your own while completing
the math problems with a reader. However, I have never taken statistics
before, so I am not quite sure how well any of this helps you with your
particular situation. But I hope some of this proves to be helpful. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

of 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books

I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for a
statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an audio
book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the last
semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my vision and
listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go well at all.
So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is going to
take forever...
Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have some,
although not very much experience with working with people like this. I find
it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other people's
experience.  
Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
Have you used a reader?  How was that?
How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with the
reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when you are not
with your reader? How did you study on your own time? 
Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank you and
Happy New Years.

Anna E Givens


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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 19:20:32 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 11:20:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
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NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
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down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 22:18:16 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 17:18:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
In-Reply-To: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>
References: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>
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Vejas:

I've had this problem as well, and, as you suspect, the problem stems from
the Auto Correct feature. In order to turn this off, go to Settings,
General, Keyboard and double tap on the "auto correct" toggle to turn the
feature off. Hope this helps.

Happy New Year,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:52 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S

Hi,
I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just popped up
yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write them, and the phone will
sometimes add extra characters for whatever the reason.  As an example, I
texted one of my friends and "How was your break?" came out "How was your
breakfast?" (I fixed it before sending it!)  I thought it might have
something to do with Auto Correct, and I went into the messages under
settings but can't find anything about that.
Anyone know what it could be?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 00:13:54 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:13:54 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
In-Reply-To: <870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
	<009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>
	<870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
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Afternoon, Justin,

         I took especial notice of your describing problems that 
plague your touch, which have proven to be such that you do not, can 
not, access braille. Do you mind elaborating on such problems a 
little? You mentioned having nerve issues. Mine have their origins 
upstairs. Nerves are fine, but communication seems to break down when 
my brain goes to interpret the lay-out of the tiny braille cell, a 
result of what they are calling tactile appraxia, or the inability of 
hand/foot to communicate in an accurate fashion with brain.
Car:09 PM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>That's true.
>However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to 
>use braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can 
>use it a little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
>Thanks for suggestion though!
>
>Anna E Givens
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made accessible in
> > pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding a way to use the
> > pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna 
> via nabs-l
> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
> >
> > I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for a
> > statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an audio
> > book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the last
> > semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my vision and
> > listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go well at all.
> > So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This 
> is going to
> > take forever...
> > Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have some,
> > although not very much experience with working with people like 
> this. I find
> > it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other people's
> > experience.
> > Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
> > Have you used a reader?  How was that?
> > How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with the
> > reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when 
> you are not
> > with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
> > Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank you and
> > Happy New Years.
> >
> > Anna E Givens
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 00:25:36 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:25:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
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References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>	<009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>	<870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
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That was not me.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2016 7:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books

Afternoon, Justin,

         I took especial notice of your describing problems that plague your
touch, which have proven to be such that you do not, can not, access
braille. Do you mind elaborating on such problems a little? You mentioned
having nerve issues. Mine have their origins upstairs. Nerves are fine, but
communication seems to break down when my brain goes to interpret the
lay-out of the tiny braille cell, a result of what they are calling tactile
appraxia, or the inability of hand/foot to communicate in an accurate
fashion with brain.
Car:09 PM 12/31/2015, you wrote:
>That's true.
>However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to use 
>braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can use it 
>a little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
>Thanks for suggestion though!
>
>Anna E Givens
>
>
> > On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made 
> > accessible in pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding 
> > a way to use the pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna
> via nabs-l
> > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
> >
> > I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is 
> > for a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to 
> > use an audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  
> > In the last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination 
> > of my vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did
not go well at all.
> > So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This
> is going to
> > take forever...
> > Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have 
> > some, although not very much experience with working with people 
> > like
> this. I find
> > it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other 
> > people's experience.
> > Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
> > Have you used a reader?  How was that?
> > How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book 
> > with the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material 
> > when
> you are not
> > with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
> > Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank 
> > you and Happy New Years.
> >
> > Anna E Givens
> >
> >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 00:31:53 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 16:31:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial aid and SSI
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	mail.com>
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Afternoon, Josh,

What is your major about?
CarAt 05:46 PM 12/29/2015, you wrote:
>FAFSA is an awesome idea!
>I got Pell grants through them.
>On a sidenote, Sarah, I have a degree in Behavioral Health Technology.
>
>On 12/29/15, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Vejas,
> >
> > In addition to the other responses you've received, I would add that
> > it is never a bad idea to apply through the FAFSA because even if you
> > don't intend to take out loans or do work study, you will be able to
> > see what your options are.  Also, my VR requires me to complete the
> > FAFSA.  Now that I am in grad school and I am not a dependent of
> > someone else, my FAFSA is based off of my own income rather than that
> > of parents.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> > --
> > Sarah K. Meyer
> > Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
> > Ball State University
> > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division
> > Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
> > sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
> > (317)402-6632
> >
> > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
> > you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
> > hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.
> >
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>
>
>--
>Joshua Lester
>Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 00:59:23 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:59:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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	<002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>
	<FDC7D396-DFBE-4D4F-A53B-F8A69F42904F@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0126F2DE@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<92BAE524-D55B-41E0-B980-1FF17B8A9CAC@icloud.com>
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Mikayla:

I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under their
noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale events,
however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which appears
more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned and
used over the years, which may help you find greater success in following up
with Congressional staffers:

1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to use
it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal phone
call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being deleted
or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they get
from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a personal
dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may request
further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need not
have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state affiliate
leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the first
point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
details while still keeping the focus on our message.

2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington Seminar
attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the Congressmen
themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington Seminar
appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate blind
people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often forget
to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a meeting.
>From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local offices
keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local staff
person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage of
the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts and
are more open to personal meetings with constituents.

3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media guy,
you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions. All
biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress have
often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number of
tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it. So,
fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities, and
encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do the
same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our issues.
If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct, for
example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of social
media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the more
prominent it will be in his/her mind.

4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the past
who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally who
may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto these
contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate who is
a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a supporter
of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I asked
her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I got a
call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted me
when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
things, so use them to our advantage when you can.

5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she is
doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and ask
questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists so
they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event, like a
fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact with
them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A good
way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social media
or sign up for their email newsletters.

I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that the
Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that we
will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to your
fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here to
help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep up
the great work!

Chris Nusbaum

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Mikayla Gephart
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi all,
Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
sentence response from them. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>    One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Derek Manners
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
would be directly affected by the law.
> 
> Best regards
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>> sound and be authentic.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>> information in your own words?
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>> 
>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
district, to go through.
>> 
>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
why I was writing them.
>> 
>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>> 
>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
with them during Washington Seminar.
>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>> 
>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
Congress.
>> I just have a few more questions:
>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
would be more difficult.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>> 
>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
Seminar.
>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>> In general,
>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
Seminar.
>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>> 
>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
forum.
>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
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From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 20:12:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Thank you. the advice about calling is very good, as they probably get a lot of emails. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 7:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla:
> 
> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under their
> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale events,
> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which appears
> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned and
> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in following up
> with Congressional staffers:
> 
> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to use
> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal phone
> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being deleted
> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they get
> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a personal
> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may request
> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need not
> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state affiliate
> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the first
> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
> 
> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington Seminar
> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the Congressmen
> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington Seminar
> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate blind
> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often forget
> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a meeting.
> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local offices
> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local staff
> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage of
> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts and
> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
> 
> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media guy,
> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions. All
> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress have
> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number of
> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it. So,
> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities, and
> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do the
> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our issues.
> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct, for
> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of social
> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the more
> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
> 
> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the past
> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally who
> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto these
> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate who is
> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a supporter
> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I asked
> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I got a
> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted me
> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
> 
> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she is
> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and ask
> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists so
> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event, like a
> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact with
> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A good
> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social media
> or sign up for their email newsletters.
> 
> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that the
> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that we
> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to your
> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here to
> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep up
> the great work!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hi all,
> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
> sentence response from them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>   One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Derek Manners
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
> would be directly affected by the law.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>>> sound and be authentic.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>>> information in your own words?
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hello Vejas,
>>> 
>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>> 
>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
> district, to go through.
>>> 
>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
> why I was writing them.
>>> 
>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>> 
>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
> Congress.
>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
> would be more difficult.
>>> Thank you so much.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hello Vejas,
>>> 
>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>> 
>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
> Seminar.
>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>>> In general,
>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
> Seminar.
>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
> forum.
>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 01:27:42 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:27:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
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I haven't tried using KNFB Reader for bar codes, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work. If it doesn't, there are other apps like DigitEyes and TapTapSee which can do this.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ian Perrault
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader

Hi Chris
This all sounds good. Can the app read barcodes, like   on wine and soda bottles? Or is it just paper documents?
Ian

Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> EN:
> 
> I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly, however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
>> Ian
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From mjc59 at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 02:02:15 2016
From: mjc59 at comcast.net (Marci Carpenter)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 18:02:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Chris makes some excellent points. The only one I would add is to maintain close contact with your NFB state affiliate President and, if there is a different person who is the Legislative Director in your state, keep in touch with that person also. There may be other Federationists who are not students who can go with you to a meeting in the local district with a Congressperson. They can support you and it is always good to have a few constituents in a meeting. The congressperson then sees that it isn’t just one person who is concerned about our issues. As a state  President I encourage all members to keep in contact with their local Congressional offices; to have meetings and attend events. If there is a student who has experience trying to use inaccessible college technology or someone who has worked somewhere for subminimum wages it makes the arguments that much stronger. 

It’s great to have so many students engaged in our efforts!

Marci Carpenter
> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla:
> 
> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under their
> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale events,
> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which appears
> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned and
> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in following up
> with Congressional staffers:
> 
> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to use
> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal phone
> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being deleted
> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they get
> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a personal
> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may request
> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need not
> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state affiliate
> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the first
> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
> 
> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington Seminar
> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the Congressmen
> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington Seminar
> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate blind
> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often forget
> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a meeting.
> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local offices
> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local staff
> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage of
> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts and
> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
> 
> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media guy,
> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions. All
> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress have
> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number of
> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it. So,
> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities, and
> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do the
> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our issues.
> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct, for
> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of social
> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the more
> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
> 
> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the past
> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally who
> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto these
> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate who is
> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a supporter
> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I asked
> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I got a
> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted me
> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
> 
> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she is
> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and ask
> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists so
> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event, like a
> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact with
> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A good
> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social media
> or sign up for their email newsletters.
> 
> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that the
> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that we
> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to your
> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here to
> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep up
> the great work!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hi all,
> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
> sentence response from them. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>   One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Derek Manners
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
> would be directly affected by the law.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Derek Manners
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>>> sound and be authentic.
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>>> information in your own words?
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hello Vejas,
>>> 
>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>> 
>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
> district, to go through.
>>> 
>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
> why I was writing them.
>>> 
>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>> 
>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>> 
>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
> Congress.
>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
> would be more difficult.
>>> Thank you so much.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hello Vejas,
>>> 
>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>> 
>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
> Seminar.
>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>>> In general,
>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>> 
>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
> Seminar.
>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
> forum.
>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 03:57:40 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:57:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <004b01d145c5$f0fe8160$d2fb8420$@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
	<D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
	<BLU403-EAS241290D5CBE1D6DC2B66156BFE60@phx.gbl>
	<004b01d145c5$f0fe8160$d2fb8420$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fb=U7xiL4ecXB9D+asfjqTW8uaGqrTVSe6ekZhqpo0MxQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've had the KNFB Reader since July and love it!  I've used it to do
everything from simple household tasks like reading recipes to more
creative persuits like reading Cards Against Humanity cards to play
with friends.  I also enjoy the fact that it's on my phone because it
has come in handy reading menus at restaurants, signage that didn't
have braille on it, and other information found in public places.  The
field of view report was extremely helpful to me while I was getting
used to the app, but once you get good at using it you might find you
don't need to get that information near as often.  I'd jump at the
chance to get it for $75.  Hope you are able to get it, and hope this
helps.

On 1/2/16, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I haven't tried using KNFB Reader for bar codes, but I can't see any reason
> why it wouldn't work. If it doesn't, there are other apps like DigitEyes and
> TapTapSee which can do this.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ian Perrault
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
>
> Hi Chris
> This all sounds good. Can the app read barcodes, like   on wine and soda
> bottles? Or is it just paper documents?
> Ian
>
> Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!
>
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> EN:
>>
>> I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to
>> you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used
>> on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very
>> convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading
>> mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print
>> documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly,
>> however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly
>> related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate
>> picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app
>> for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on
>> Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in
>> tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very
>> useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be
>> surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access
>> to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you
>> to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now,
>>> rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I
>>> haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be
>>> helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the
>>> phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
>>> Ian
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 13:41:18 2016
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 08:41:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] focus braille display with the ipad
Message-ID: <5689251f.8e236b0a.b8622.ffffc5e3@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I just got an ipad for Christmas.  I also purchased the Focus 14 
blue Braille display to use with it.  This is my first ipad, so I 
will admit that I don't know too much about Voiceover or anything 
like that.  I was wondering if anyone on this list has a Focus 
blue that they use with their Ios device who would be willing to 
work with me on it.  My dad is sighted and uses Android devices, 
so he does not know a lot about Voiceover either.  Therefore, if 
anyone has this display paired with their Ios device, please 
contact me offlist.
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:15:04 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 11:15:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] focus braille display with the ipad
In-Reply-To: <5689251f.8e236b0a.b8622.ffffc5e3@mx.google.com>
References: <5689251f.8e236b0a.b8622.ffffc5e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D16F6AA6-9139-4614-9190-169E95C52F32@gmail.com>

Hi Kelsey! This is Helga! How are you? I just wanted to tell you that I use a Focus 14 Blue Braille display with my iPhone! 6S.  So I can actually help you with your iPad and VoiceOver and use your Braille display with it. So just contact me off list. My email is Helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com hope to hear from you soon. I can't find your email address that is why I wrote  you on the list ok? Iwill really appreciate if you can contact me off list,and I think th e Focus 14 has the same commands on the iPhone and the iPad. Thanks and God bless!! ok? iPhone!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Kelsey Nicolay via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I just got an ipad for Christmas.  I also purchased the Focus 14 blue Braille display to use with it.  This is my first ipad, so I will admit that I don't know too much about Voiceover or anything like that.  I was wondering if anyone on this list has a Focus blue that they use with their Ios device who would be willing to work with me on it.  My dad is sighted and uses Android devices, so he does not know a lot about Voiceover either.  Therefore, if anyone has this display paired with their Ios device, please contact me offlist.
> Thank you,
> Kelsey Nicolay
> 
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From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:13:30 2016
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 10:13:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] braille sense mini questions.
Message-ID: <003D658A-B8EE-40D4-AD1B-196268185830@gmail.com>



Hello all.  Soon, I will be getting a braille sense you too mini. However, I have a question. I would like to get some extra storage for the thing, as 32 GB does not seem like very much.  If I was to get an sd card, would it stick out of the unit at all? If not, how big of an sd card can I get space wise? I know with some devices, searching an SD card with a lot of files and a lot of space can cause a big lag, and I really don't want this to happen. Also, is there anything else you would tell to someone using and owning a note taker for the first time? 
Thank you in advance. 
Jessica 

From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 18:39:57 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:39:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New Blog Post: The Holidays At Our NFB Training centers
Message-ID: <CACXqA0ptHpHno4JDXRoOmOgPVw-YWq_D4a0bK1KP6SPMd9Ws5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I hope you all have had a wonderful holiday season. The holidays are a
time for family, friends, food, fun, and so much more. Our training
centers certainly live up to this as there are many celebrations
across the country.
Check out this new blog post to read about all of the holiday
traditions at our training centers.
http://nabslink.org/content/holiday-fun-our-home-away-homes

Thanks
Bre Brown

Second vice president, National Association of Blind students


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan  3 21:38:26 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 16:38:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally's bad website
Message-ID: <D58CDF6950014A84878FCFAD0D55DC4A@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I use the traditional pc to search and download books from learning ally; so I cannot speak to the mobile version and use of aps on phones.
But, I think the website is terrible for screen reader access. A few years back it was redesigned and has become so much more cluttered.
They have graphics of the books, too. 

I have significant difficulty searching for books now. It used to be there was an advanced search with a form with well labeled fields. You could search by combos of things like title and autor or title and edition.
Now, I no longer see that advance option. To add to that, the first search page shows you ten results. I get to those easily by using H for heading and the titles are headings and links.
But, the pages to see further results are not labeled as links. I finally found them with the arrows, but its not obvious.
I think I might have to call them and they can search better and faster as they can see the screen.

Anyone know if they have Norton Anthology of American literature 8th edition for volumes A and B?
II saw Volume A so far, but gave up searching as its too much to look at. Someone sighted might be able to also scroll through the results and find it quicker as well.


I’m done venting now.
Learning ally now cares more about learning disabled than us.

Ashley

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jan  3 21:48:16 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 16:48:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] learning ally's bad website
In-Reply-To: <D58CDF6950014A84878FCFAD0D55DC4A@OwnerPC>
References: <D58CDF6950014A84878FCFAD0D55DC4A@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <00654A19-DAAD-43E3-B1FD-EC7F2B390E4E@icloud.com>

Ashley,
At the convention, I met Mary Alexander. Her son is blind, and she works at Learning Ally. Let me know if you would like me to do this. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I use the traditional pc to search and download books from learning ally; so I cannot speak to the mobile version and use of aps on phones.
> But, I think the website is terrible for screen reader access. A few years back it was redesigned and has become so much more cluttered.
> They have graphics of the books, too. 
> 
> I have significant difficulty searching for books now. It used to be there was an advanced search with a form with well labeled fields. You could search by combos of things like title and autor or title and edition.
> Now, I no longer see that advance option. To add to that, the first search page shows you ten results. I get to those easily by using H for heading and the titles are headings and links.
> But, the pages to see further results are not labeled as links. I finally found them with the arrows, but its not obvious.
> I think I might have to call them and they can search better and faster as they can see the screen.
> 
> Anyone know if they have Norton Anthology of American literature 8th edition for volumes A and B?
> II saw Volume A so far, but gave up searching as its too much to look at. Someone sighted might be able to also scroll through the results and find it quicker as well.
> 
> 
> I’m done venting now.
> Learning ally now cares more about learning disabled than us.
> 
> Ashley
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 03:07:58 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:07:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transition
Message-ID: <247C7CC1-345C-4780-9F72-D81537D7D791@gmail.com>

Hey I am really curious as to people's general experience with transitioning from being a sighted student to being a blind student.  
I have heard a lot of different stories and would like to hear more.  If you had this experience, I would like to hear what it was like.  In relation to school in general.  What was the hardest thing about it?  As a newly blind person, what did you struggle the most to do?  What was the most frustrating? What real or perceived changes did it take you a long time to work through, and how did you do it.  
What was the easiest thing? 
And whatever else.
Thanks for the input, as always.

Anna E Givens



From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:12:31 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:12:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
In-Reply-To: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
References: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <SN2PR10MB0109B6EA037CD0BFD23E8E95DCF20@SN2PR10MB0109.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Yes you do

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 22:33:02 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:33:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transition
In-Reply-To: <247C7CC1-345C-4780-9F72-D81537D7D791@gmail.com>
References: <247C7CC1-345C-4780-9F72-D81537D7D791@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F8D7105-139A-4ABB-922F-05AC71720729@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I was never sighted as a young child but never the less I have run into some annoying problems. The most common problem will be getting teachers to understand that you can not read like your sighted peers. I m in 10th grade and I still run into that problem. I just have to keep reminding teachers to give me things ahead of time. I currently take a laptop to school and that is the way I am getting work done. My teachers will give me class work and homework on a flash drive and I import it to my laptop. I find this to work fine, however, I am still having problems with teachers understanding that I use a screen reader and it does not read things in text boxes.  Other than that everything else is fine. 
Please let me know If you have any more questions. By the way,are you a part of the National Federation of the blind? This is a nonprofit organization run by blind members. They give people lots of resources to live the life you want with lots of tools and support. If this is something you are interested in please let me know. I am a member since I was in 3d grade and now am a part of the MDABS. This is the same as  NABS except for the state of Maryland.  
Good-luck talk soon, 
Nesma Aly 
> On Jan 3, 2016, at 22:07, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I am really curious as to people's general experience with transitioning from being a sighted student to being a blind student.  
> I have heard a lot of different stories and would like to hear more.  If you had this experience, I would like to hear what it was like.  In relation to school in general.  What was the hardest thing about it?  As a newly blind person, what did you struggle the most to do?  What was the most frustrating? What real or perceived changes did it take you a long time to work through, and how did you do it.  
> What was the easiest thing? 
> And whatever else.
> Thanks for the input, as always.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 14:43:47 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 09:43:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transition
In-Reply-To: <247C7CC1-345C-4780-9F72-D81537D7D791@gmail.com>
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Transition has never been easy for me I have always had difficulties transitioning from school to school even now while I'm in college. I I am working on improving my independent living skills.

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> On Jan 3, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey I am really curious as to people's general experience with transitioning from being a sighted student to being a blind student.  
> I have heard a lot of different stories and would like to hear more.  If you had this experience, I would like to hear what it was like.  In relation to school in general.  What was the hardest thing about it?  As a newly blind person, what did you struggle the most to do?  What was the most frustrating? What real or perceived changes did it take you a long time to work through, and how did you do it.  
> What was the easiest thing? 
> And whatever else.
> Thanks for the input, as always.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 19:37:25 2016
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:07:25 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Moderating a discussion
Message-ID: <69246DFE-1700-46A4-AD1D-EC08D3E20E43@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well. I will be hosting a panel discussion at an upcoming conference that is being conducted by a student-led organization at Harvard. I wanted to know what coping strategies would be useful to make the discussion as seamless as possible. My job would fundamentally revolve around introducing panelists, asking questions and facilitating  q and a of the audience with the panelists. I would be grateful if anyone could provide suggestions on the following issues:
1. What would be the best strategy to remember things such as  the intro of panelists and my questions for them?
2. Typically, the moderator selects people from the audience for asking questions. How should I address this issue?
3.  Can you think of a seamless way to keep track of time without causing any inconvenience to the speakers and the audience?
4. Should I ask the panelists for any accommodation?

Best,
Rahul

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 20:16:55 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:16:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Moderating a discussion
In-Reply-To: <69246DFE-1700-46A4-AD1D-EC08D3E20E43@gmail.com>
References: <69246DFE-1700-46A4-AD1D-EC08D3E20E43@gmail.com>
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Question one

Maybe you could write things down in whatever note taking medium you prefer.
Question two Having never done a panel before, I would hesitate to give you
advice on this one short of having people just say I have a question, and
state their name.
Question three
Use a braille watch, or just keep your earphone in and use the notetaker to
keep time so no one hears it.
Question four
If you need the pannelest, use them.
 Justin
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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Moderating a discussion

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well. I will be hosting a panel discussion at
an upcoming conference that is being conducted by a student-led organization
at Harvard. I wanted to know what coping strategies would be useful to make
the discussion as seamless as possible. My job would fundamentally revolve
around introducing panelists, asking questions and facilitating  q and a of
the audience with the panelists. I would be grateful if anyone could provide
suggestions on the following issues:
1. What would be the best strategy to remember things such as  the intro of
panelists and my questions for them?
2. Typically, the moderator selects people from the audience for asking
questions. How should I address this issue?
3.  Can you think of a seamless way to keep track of time without causing
any inconvenience to the speakers and the audience?
4. Should I ask the panelists for any accommodation?

Best,
Rahul

Sent from my iPhone
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 20:54:56 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:54:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Moderating a discussion
Message-ID: <568c2dcb.4350810a.c7ae3.ffffb0c6@mx.google.com>

Hi Rahul,

I suggest you take notes for what you want to say to introduce 
the pannalists.  When it comes to questions, I have attended two 
academic conferences, and the common practice was for pannalists 
to handle their own questions.  Make sure that the practice at 
this conference is for the moderator to do so.  If it is, I would 
suggest you ask people in the audience to say there name to be 
called on NFB style.  As far as time, when I was a pannel 
moderator I had my notetaker open in front of me with the clock 
running.  If you don't have a note taker or a braille watch, I 
would suggest using your phone's clock with an earbud.  I don't 
think you will need any accommodations from the pannalists unless 
perhaps you want to ask them to take their own questions if that 
isn't the common practice at your conference.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 01:07:25 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Moderating a discussion

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well. I will be hosting a panel 
discussion at an upcoming conference that is being conducted by a 
student-led organization at Harvard. I wanted to know what coping 
strategies would be useful to make the discussion as seamless as 
possible. My job would fundamentally revolve around introducing 
panelists, asking questions and facilitating  q and a of the 
audience with the panelists. I would be grateful if anyone could 
provide suggestions on the following issues:
1. What would be the best strategy to remember things such as  
the intro of panelists and my questions for them?
2. Typically, the moderator selects people from the audience for 
asking questions. How should I address this issue?
3.  Can you think of a seamless way to keep track of time without 
causing any inconvenience to the speakers and the audience?
4. Should I ask the panelists for any accommodation?

Best,
Rahul

Sent from my iPhone
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From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 03:51:57 2016
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (Cody Bair)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:51:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: You don't want to miss out on the Collorado
	Association of Blind Students NFL Playoff Survivor Pool
Message-ID: <34303851-23C0-420E-B8CA-D716097E0962@yahoo.com>


> 
> Greetings,
> Would you like to win some cash to off-set your Holiday spending. Do you think you can pick the winner of four NFL playoff games. If so, the CABS NFL Playoff Survivor Pool is for you.
> In brief, at the start of the playoffs you will be asked to pick one team each week to win their game. If your team wins you move on to the next round. If your team loses you are knocked out of the pool. Entry is $20 and entries must be made and payment received by January 9th. If you desire to enter, please read the attached rules document so their aren’t any surprises.
> To enter please email me at codyjbair at yahoo.com and let me know which of the three methods you will be using to make payment.
> 
> Good Luck and Go Broncos!
> 
> Cody
> 
> 

From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan  6 06:20:07 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 00:20:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opening, Senior Director Operations,
	San Francisco Lighthouse
Message-ID: <033c01d1484a$4a6a1120$df3e3360$@visi.com>

                                                                           

                                                         JOB DESCRIPTION

 

POSITION:            Senior Director –Operations

 

REPORTS TO:        Executive Director / Chief Executive Officer

 

STATUS:                    Exempt

 

JOB PURPOSE:

 

The LightHouse for the Blind is looking for a dynamic and innovative Senior
Director of Operations (SDO) to help lead our agency into a period of growth
and expanded capabilities.  With 90 employees and an annual budget of $12.5
million, the LightHouse has the resources and imagination to help change the
lives of the 40,000 blind residents of the greater bay area and beyond.  One
of San Francisco’s oldest and best-known philanthropies, we’re poised to
begin operations in 2016 in our brand-new state-of-the-art  headquarters on
Market Street, where we’ll   coordinate volunteers, big tech, teachers,
families, students and a caring staff together to design and build new ways
to help people with visual impairments.

 

The Senior Director, Operations (SDO) is responsible for leadership of all
the non-teaching operations of LightHouse for the Blind and Visually
Impaired.  The SDO will be part of the LightHouse’s senior management team
and report directly to the CEO.

 

The SDO will have operational responsibility for numerous LightHouse offices
and facilities.  In addition to our flagship 40,000 square-foot headquarters
in San Francisco, the LightHouse operates satellite locations in Berkeley,
San Rafael, Eureka, as well as a light manufacturing facility in San Leandro
and a 311-acre camp near Napa.

 

The SDO will supervise LightHouse directors in areas of Human Resources,
Facilities, Finance, IT and operations of LightHouse Industries.  He/she
will lead these departments in budgeting, forecasts, contracts and
operational planning.

 

QUALIFICATIONS:

 

Education or equivalent:  A college degree in Organizational Development,
Accounting, Law, Business Administration, or a related field is preferred.

 

Experience:  A minimum of five years top-level management experience in
business development; operations; contract negotiation and management;
strategic planning or a background in multi-location oversight.  Experience
working with federal entities, product development and contracts is
desirable.

 

·         As the LightHouse has a robust physical infrastructure, experience
with the needs of construction, bidding and maintenance is particularly
desirable.

 

·         Though the SDO will be tasked with primary responsibility for
LightHouse business operations, we’re looking for a candidate with a strong
interest in building warm philanthropic relationships both inside and
outside the LightHouse.  Non-profit administrative experience, especially in
the area of blindness services, would also be a plus.

 

Other:  Ability to supervise a disciplined business operation while ensuring
that the human needs of staff and students are met with compassion and
sensitivity.

 

PHYSICAL DEMANDS:

 

Able to sit at a desk and perform computer-intensive work for long periods
of time; operate standard office equipment; move 20lbs independently; travel
independently.

 

ACCOUNTABILITIES:

 

*	Works with LightHouse business developer and employment units to
maximize job creation for blind workers.
*	Researches, initiates and supervises revenue-generating enterprises
for the Agency.
*	Fosters and maintains productive relationships with potential
partners in business, government and the nonprofit sector.
*	Represents the Executive Director / CEO in a professional capacity
as required.
*	Oversees all government and private contracts as related to required
financial reporting.
*	With the Director of Finance, meets quarterly with managers on
departmental budgets and facilitates real-time planning based on actual
income and expenses.
*	Assists  managerial staff in developing departmental business plans 
*	With the Executive Director and Director of Finance, reviews Agency
expenditures as part of LightHouse written internal controls and budgeting
process.
*	Prepares regular written reports to the Board of Directors on
operations, business development, capital expenditures and facilities.
*	Attends and presents at board meetings as required.
*	Oversees major purchasing, capital expenditures, major maintenance
and   asset management.
*	At the direction of the CEO Oversees and completes special projects
*	Some overnight travel may be required.

 

SUPERVISORY RESPONSIBILITY:

 

The SDO will supervise LightHouse directors in the areas of Human Resources,
Facilities, Finance, IT and the staff and operations of LightHouse
Industries. 

 

WORKING CONDITIONS:

 

Equal opportunity to all regardless of race, color, creed, national origin,
ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political
affiliation, age, or sexual orientation. We have an "employment at will"
policy.

TO APPLY:


Please submit cover letter and résumé as Word attachments (no .PDFs please),
to hr at lighthouse-sf.org; include job title in the subject line. We will not
consider videos or hyperlinks to online profiles. Due to time constraints we
will only respond to complete submissions in which we have a serious
interest; thanks. 

 

 

 

David Andrews and Long White Cane Harry

dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

Twitter:  @dandrews920

 


From kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org  Wed Jan  6 15:55:43 2016
From: kaitlyn.millen at nobarriersusa.org (Kaitlyn Millen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 08:55:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Grand Canyon Expedition- Application Deadline is Friday,
	Jan. 8!
Message-ID: <CACW0Y_rSYZz_vo-frJioaaCV4GZcN3y5Z3swv9Gc4nnc16oDpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS,

Please check out this exciting opportunity, share with anyone who may be
interested and take note of the *final application deadline this Friday,
January 8, 2016. *

Thank you!
Kaitlyn Millen
*LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org <LeadingTheWay at nobarriersusa.org> *

*NO BARRIERS YOUTH*

*Leading the Way*: *Grand Canyon Sound Academy*

*http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/
<http://www.nobarriersusa.org/youth/programs/expeditions/leading-the-way/grand-canyon/>*



This program is for students who are blind/ visually impaired or
fully-sighted.

A group of 20 teenagers from across the U.S. will be selected to receive
scholarships for a once-in-a-lifetime leadership adventure: Grand Canyon Sound
Academy.

*Dates:* July 24-August 4, 2016

*Student Program Fee and Scholarship:* In celebration of the National Park
Service’s 100th birthday, the Natural Sounds and Night Skies Division is
providing generous scholarship support. Youth participants will only be
responsible for paying or fundraising *a $300 No Barriers program fee as
well as travel costs to/from Phoenix, AZ.* (This reflects a *scholarship of
$2,700/person*). Selected participants will be expected to fulfill a set of
scholarship requirements before, during, and after the expedition.


*TO APPLY: *Submit an online application and correlating materials here:

*https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy/*
<https://nobarriersusa.wufoo.com/forms/2016-leading-the-way-grand-canyon-sound-academy/>


*APPLICATION DEADLINE:* January 8, 2016

-- 
*KAITLYN MILLEN |** School Programs Manager*
*Donate today: *http://www.nobarriersusa.org/give-step-1/
224 Canyon Avenue, Suite 207, Fort Collins, CO 80521

OFFICE: 970.484.3633, Extension 322

TOLL FREE: 877.627.1425 FAX: 970.672.1073

www.nobarriersusa.org

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:43:10 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
Message-ID: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.

I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.

I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
the wrong way.  Thoughts?
-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From philso1003 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:46:29 2016
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:46:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
Message-ID: <CAO2euMfpdMRcudGGRWMMs2_BWHANrghq+fWcFfv7TWp61KErMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

Happy New Year to everyone!
I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have graduated
already, what information and advice do you know now that you wish you
had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? What
information or factors do you wish you had considered more back then?
This could be disability related or academic or social or just general anything.
Thanks guys!

Best,
Phil


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:49:46 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:49:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013501d148aa$a269d4e0$e73d7ea0$@gmail.com>

She is not aloud to do that; as a student with a disability, you have the
right to accommodations.  You don't have to do that in order to use them.  
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.  The
first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of a
particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to be
comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about educating
others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
bounced off of it.

I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about accommodations
in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and willing
to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can work
well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the use
of technology in the classroom.
Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to the
testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in the
classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use a
computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
"Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that this
professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward about
the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my peers
(not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not
I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.

I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before, but
not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously figured
out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student tried
to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that I
was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had accommodations
and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to
explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and
she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.  I
don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
Thoughts?
--
Kaiti Shelton

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan  6 17:51:34 2016
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:51:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMfpdMRcudGGRWMMs2_BWHANrghq+fWcFfv7TWp61KErMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMfpdMRcudGGRWMMs2_BWHANrghq+fWcFfv7TWp61KErMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4710226A-1A29-4AC3-80C3-AB501887A04C@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hey Phil, for me, the most important factor is what was the best academic school in my desired field could I get into taking into account the amount of student loans I'd have to take. If you get a couple of schools that are similar, then other factors like transportation, proximity to home, the culture of the school and town you'll be in, etc. may come into play as well. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have graduated
> already, what information and advice do you know now that you wish you
> had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? What
> information or factors do you wish you had considered more back then?
> This could be disability related or academic or social or just general anything.
> Thanks guys!
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:57:00 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:57:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMfpdMRcudGGRWMMs2_BWHANrghq+fWcFfv7TWp61KErMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMfpdMRcudGGRWMMs2_BWHANrghq+fWcFfv7TWp61KErMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C59D1B7-7B17-4A11-8B38-82EACCE72B48@gmail.com>

I wish I had known more about the admissions process. This student disability services office at ECF has been very helpful with getting my books before each semester begins.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have graduated
> already, what information and advice do you know now that you wish you
> had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? What
> information or factors do you wish you had considered more back then?
> This could be disability related or academic or social or just general anything.
> Thanks guys!
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan  6 17:57:05 2016
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:57:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <013501d148aa$a269d4e0$e73d7ea0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<013501d148aa$a269d4e0$e73d7ea0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61196743-ECB1-4816-8E49-CB5C2A2E19C9@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I totally agree with Justin here. You certainly are entitled to accommodations whether you do this or not. Also, I believe there is almost certainly a privacy aspect with regards to your accommodations. 

That said, I personally would relish an opportunity to educate a room full of my peers about how, through alternative techniques, I can be a successful student. Obviously it's a bit awkward and the fact that she is requiring it to achieve accommodations is wrong and you should probably address that with someone in the disability office or maybe even the dean of students if that doesn't work. However, in addition to setting her straight on the lack of necessity, you might take her up on your offer if nothing else to increase awareness about blindness. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 12:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> She is not aloud to do that; as a student with a disability, you have the
> right to accommodations.  You don't have to do that in order to use them.  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.  The
> first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of a
> particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to be
> comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about educating
> others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
> awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
> bounced off of it.
> 
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about accommodations
> in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and willing
> to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can work
> well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the use
> of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to the
> testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
> appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in the
> classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use a
> computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
> "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that this
> professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward about
> the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my peers
> (not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
> about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
> classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
> take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not
> I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
> 
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before, but
> not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously figured
> out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
> intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
> before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student tried
> to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that I
> was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
> read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had accommodations
> and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to
> explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
> traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
> but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
> that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and
> she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.  I
> don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
> are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
> Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:57:20 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:57:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4B03607-1FAF-4BEB-869B-93FCC1583D5A@gmail.com>

You aren't looking at this the wrong way. You are in no way required to discuss your need for accommodations with your classmates, and you are still entitled to said accommodations if you choose not to discuss it with them. If your teacher feels the other students need an explanation of why some students might be allowed a computer when others aren't, she should explain it herself, and in a way that explicitly does not single you out. In your position, I would explain to her that your accommodations aren't a privilege or advantage. They merely allow you *equal access, and that you have a right to equal access without making a spectacle of yourself or having to offer anyone but the person providing the accommodation an explanation of why you need them. You don't owe your peers anything. She can just add a clause to her syllabus that explains exceptions to rules can be made in the event that a student has a documented need for accommodations and speaks to her directly first. She does not have to single you out. To require that you disclose your needs and reasons for them to your class regardless of your preferences is degrading and inappropriate on her part. Now making it an option for you to discuss it with the class and encouraging it would be different. It shouldn't be required. 

Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 10:43 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
> 
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
> 
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:02:18 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:02:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4945ED20FD82F7F6BC83231BAF40@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

What is the big deal about taking tests and exams in the testing center?
This is how my college deals with tests and exams, and it has never been a
problem for me. If the professor does not allow students to use computers in
the classroom, then I honestly do not see how a blind student should be
exempt from this policy. After all, if we are fighting to be treated as
equals, we should be willing to abide by the same policies as anyone else. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.  The
first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of a
particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to be
comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about educating
others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
bounced off of it.

I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about accommodations
in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and willing
to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can work
well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the use
of technology in the classroom.
Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to the
testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in the
classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use a
computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
"Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that this
professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward about
the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my peers
(not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not
I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.

I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before, but
not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously figured
out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student tried
to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that I
was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had accommodations
and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to
explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and
she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.  I
don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
Thoughts?
--
Kaiti Shelton

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:24:30 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 10:24:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS4945ED20FD82F7F6BC83231BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS4945ED20FD82F7F6BC83231BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDWEpCda9gZAkpxCJHVX6ZSCAsv2Bj8+=SmKOoobmmXmA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree it is a weird request and it is out of bounds under the ADA.
However, this may be an instance of picking your battles, and if you
want to reap the benefits of taking your exams in class, you may
decide this is not a big hurdle to jump over. So often we have to
negotiate that balance between advocating for the best access and
doing what we need to do practically to be successful. It's like the
choice between pushing and waiting for an online learning system to be
accessible vs. just hiring a reader to get through the online
coursework. Both the advocacy and practicality are important in
different situations.
As for testing in class vs. the testing center, that too is a personal
choice. Some people like the testing center and have no problems with
that approach. When I was in school I ran into some situations where
the staff in the testing center couldn't answer clarification
questions especially when the test included inaccessible technical
images that only my professor or a TA could competently describe to
me. I found it much better to test in the classroom and ask the prof
for clarification when needed. But that's just my experience.
Arielle

On 1/6/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Kaiti,
>
> What is the big deal about taking tests and exams in the testing center?
> This is how my college deals with tests and exams, and it has never been a
> problem for me. If the professor does not allow students to use computers
> in
> the classroom, then I honestly do not see how a blind student should be
> exempt from this policy. After all, if we are fighting to be treated as
> equals, we should be willing to abide by the same policies as anyone else.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.
> The
> first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of a
> particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to be
> comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about educating
> others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
> awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
> bounced off of it.
>
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about accommodations
> in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and
> willing
> to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can work
> well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the use
> of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to
> the
> testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
> appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in the
> classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use a
> computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
> "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that this
> professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward about
> the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my peers
> (not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
> about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
> classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
> take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or
> not
> I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before, but
> not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously
> figured
> out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
> intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
> before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student
> tried
> to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that I
> was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
> read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had
> accommodations
> and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to
> explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
> traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
> but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
> that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and
> she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.
> I
> don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
> are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
> Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
> _______________________________________________
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:45:55 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:45:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS4945ED20FD82F7F6BC83231BAF40@phx.gbl>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS4945ED20FD82F7F6BC83231BAF40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <01F211BC-62CE-4BAD-AD0A-1D9AEB23F3C0@gmail.com>

I am quite sure that the policies of your University state that you are in no way required to "educate the class" on your accommodations.  I can understand your professor's position, however, she is acting out of a lack of education or understanding.  All that is required is for her to say to the class something along the lines of "Nobody is allowed to use technology in the classroom unless they have a documented need for such an accommodation."

I think, if it were me, in this situation, I would politely inform her that I am in no way required to talk to the class about my accommodations unless I choose to do so, per the policies of the University.  And that I would be happy to get her in contact with the ADA coordinator if she needs further explanation.  And in the meantime I would be delighted to speak to the class briefly about accommodations, JAWS, notetaker, etc, for the sole purpose of educating more students.  But then I would take the tests in the disability office or in the professors office.  That way I would be educating my peers, and my professor, but it would be clear that I am not doing it in order to be able to use accommodations.  That is a compromise I would make.
But that is my personal choice.  

You have the right to decide to discuss your accommodations or not.  If you have good disability resource office coordinators, you could discuss the matter with them as well.

Thanks for sharing.

Anna E Givens


> On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Kaiti,
> 
> What is the big deal about taking tests and exams in the testing center?
> This is how my college deals with tests and exams, and it has never been a
> problem for me. If the professor does not allow students to use computers in
> the classroom, then I honestly do not see how a blind student should be
> exempt from this policy. After all, if we are fighting to be treated as
> equals, we should be willing to abide by the same policies as anyone else. 
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.  The
> first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of a
> particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to be
> comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about educating
> others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
> awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
> bounced off of it.
> 
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about accommodations
> in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and willing
> to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can work
> well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the use
> of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to the
> testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
> appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in the
> classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use a
> computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
> "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that this
> professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward about
> the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my peers
> (not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
> about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
> classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
> take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not
> I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
> 
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before, but
> not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously figured
> out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
> intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
> before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student tried
> to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that I
> was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
> read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had accommodations
> and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to
> explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
> traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
> but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
> that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and
> she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.  I
> don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
> are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
> Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:04:41 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:04:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
Message-ID: <568d656c.6a14320a.ec3aa.ffffa927@mx.google.com>

The limiting factor for me in choosing colleges was that I wanted 
to apply only for colleges in my state.  I applied last year as a 
senior; this was before I attended LCB.  I chose to do this 
because at the time I wasn't sure if I would have the confidence 
to live away.  But as I continue with my progress at LCB, I 
realize that I could have been able to handle it.  Applying to 
colleges in different states would have completely opened up my 
options.
So my advice is not to limit yourself, 'and not to let 
insecurities hold you back; it will work out.
Good luck applying for your colleges.
Vejas







 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:46:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni

Hey guys,

Happy New Year to everyone!
I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have 
graduated
already, what information and advice do you know now that you 
wish you
had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? 
What
information or factors do you wish you had considered more back 
then?
This could be disability related or academic or social or just 
general anything.
Thanks guys!

Best,
Phil

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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:07:30 2016
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:07:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
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Hi Kaiti,

I agree with Anna.  You do not have to disclose your disability.  If
you wish to receive acommidations from disability services, you must
disclose, but I don't even think our acommadation letters actually
give out our disabilities at my current university.  That is up to
you, and she cannot require you to get in front of the class and
disclose your disability.

I have seen professors' syllabi that state that no technology is
allowed for note taking except in the case of a disability.  That
takes care of the class wondering about why you can have your laptop
and note taker.  The professor could also go over this herself in
class when reading through the syllabus.  She cannot single you out
though.

I never took tests in the disability services office in graduate
school.  I rarely needed the extra time I was allowed as an
acommadation, and I didn't like the idea of taking my tests in an
unfamiliar environment.  I would rather take tests in the classroom
where I'm used to learning the material.  I also don't like being
isolated from my peers.  There is no reason why I need to be in order
to take a test, and at my university, no professor expected me to take
a test in disability services.

One professor made us answer questions while listening to examples of
music.  For those tests, I did need some extra time because listening
to music and Jaws was a little too much at once.  But that professor
allowed me to go to his office or just sit in the classroom after the
students had gone.



On 1/6/16, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am quite sure that the policies of your University state that you are in
> no way required to "educate the class" on your accommodations.  I can
> understand your professor's position, however, she is acting out of a lack
> of education or understanding.  All that is required is for her to say to
> the class something along the lines of "Nobody is allowed to use technology
> in the classroom unless they have a documented need for such an
> accommodation."
>
> I think, if it were me, in this situation, I would politely inform her that
> I am in no way required to talk to the class about my accommodations unless
> I choose to do so, per the policies of the University.  And that I would be
> happy to get her in contact with the ADA coordinator if she needs further
> explanation.  And in the meantime I would be delighted to speak to the class
> briefly about accommodations, JAWS, notetaker, etc, for the sole purpose of
> educating more students.  But then I would take the tests in the disability
> office or in the professors office.  That way I would be educating my peers,
> and my professor, but it would be clear that I am not doing it in order to
> be able to use accommodations.  That is a compromise I would make.
> But that is my personal choice.
>
> You have the right to decide to discuss your accommodations or not.  If you
> have good disability resource office coordinators, you could discuss the
> matter with them as well.
>
> Thanks for sharing.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kaiti,
>>
>> What is the big deal about taking tests and exams in the testing center?
>> This is how my college deals with tests and exams, and it has never been
>> a
>> problem for me. If the professor does not allow students to use computers
>> in
>> the classroom, then I honestly do not see how a blind student should be
>> exempt from this policy. After all, if we are fighting to be treated as
>> equals, we should be willing to abide by the same policies as anyone else.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti
>> Shelton
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of reasons.
>> The
>> first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in need of
>> a
>> particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider myself to
>> be
>> comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about
>> educating
>> others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a little
>> awkward about the following situation and would like to get some ideas
>> bounced off of it.
>>
>> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
>> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
>> accommodations
>> in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible and
>> willing
>> to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I can
>> work
>> well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules regarding the
>> use
>> of technology in the classroom.
>> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
>> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me to
>> the
>> testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I do
>> appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days in
>> the
>> classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I need to use
>> a
>> computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was to say,
>> "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize that
>> this
>> professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel awkward
>> about
>> the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of my
>> peers
>> (not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't expressly
>> about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of
>> classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can
>> take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or
>> not
>> I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>>
>> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes before,
>> but
>> not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses obviously
>> figured
>> out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, and were
>> intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it works
>> before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another student
>> tried
>> to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the grounds that
>> I
>> was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told him to
>> read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had
>> accommodations
>> and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have
>> to
>> explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a
>> traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too,
>> but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email
>> that I had never been asked to do this before and would think about it,
>> and
>> she responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
>> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are clear.
>> I
>> don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of accommodations
>> are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong way.
>> Thoughts?
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>>
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-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:12:33 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:12:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
In-Reply-To: <568d656c.6a14320a.ec3aa.ffffa927@mx.google.com>
References: <568d656c.6a14320a.ec3aa.ffffa927@mx.google.com>
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Go to a college that has the degree you want. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The limiting factor for me in choosing colleges was that I wanted to apply only for colleges in my state.  I applied last year as a senior; this was before I attended LCB.  I chose to do this because at the time I wasn't sure if I would have the confidence to live away.  But as I continue with my progress at LCB, I realize that I could have been able to handle it.  Applying to colleges in different states would have completely opened up my options.
> So my advice is not to limit yourself, 'and not to let insecurities hold you back; it will work out.
> Good luck applying for your colleges.
> Vejas
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:46:29 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
> 
> Hey guys,
> 
> Happy New Year to everyone!
> I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have graduated
> already, what information and advice do you know now that you wish you
> had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? What
> information or factors do you wish you had considered more back then?
> This could be disability related or academic or social or just general anything.
> Thanks guys!
> 
> Best,
> Phil
> 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 19:53:36 2016
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 11:53:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
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	<742D7C63-01D6-4A04-BC9B-DC79FF788D6B@gmail.com>
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Hi Phil,

I think it’s important for people to contextualize their advice.

I am a 2nd year PhD student in Human Centered Design and Engineering.
Some people know the field as Human Computer Interaction. Anyway, I
went to a great but not quite nationally recognizable state school and
got a degree in psychology with minors in African American and Women’s
Studies, did blindness skills training at BLIND, Inc., and then moved
to Seattle. It took me 5 months to find 1 job, and during a time I did
not get enough hours at said job, spent 3 months acquiring a 2nd
part-time job. My jobs showed me that I can play a role in social
justice and the design of technology which is why I am on the path I
am now which is getting a PhD. I received several scholarships to
attend undergrad and got funding for my PhD. I try to remember to
accompany that with privilege as many people cannot avoid accruing
debt from college. That said, there is not a day in my life that I
ever regret not going to a more expensive school or not chasing
scholarship money. That said, my advice contradicts itself. I do think
that well-known schools, if they fit what you want, definitely help. I
hate it, but in my experience of moving across the country and giving
up on explaining where I went to school and letting people at
networking events just assume that I went to Chapel Hill, name
dropping is impactful as networking with others is the way you will
get opportunities. So here is some advice that although does not all
directly pertain to characteristics that particular schools may have,
does lead to things to think about when applying to schools.

Apply widely. Don’t think about money in the application process. If
nothing else, the act of filling out applications is a great way to
get better at presenting yourself on paper.

Like I said before, if you have the choice to go to a prestigious
school, and if you like it, take the chance even if it is further away
or a bit more expensive.

Get blindness skills training before college!

Get a job and acquire a hard skill before or during college. This
could be engineering, or some other skill that people will pay you
money for. I had only worked at a summer camp when I left undergrad,
and I really believe that if I had a hard skill, it could have played
a role in breaking down barriers when applying to jobs by directly
demonstrating said skill. IT, certification in childcare, auto
mechanics, construction work, whatever. Also, if you have job
experience when you graduate from college, you will be like almost
every other college graduate who had to work a crappy job while in
school. There is something about having a crappy job that really helps
you to understand the world and relate to people. This also means that
you should consider colleges where you will be able to get to a job
independently.

Consider a school that has a lot of stem options. I believe that we
need diverse expertises to keep our society running, but stem skills
can really increase your chances of getting a job no matter what
fields you are in. for example, if you get a degree in psychology,
seize opportunities to learn to script statistical and big data
softwares. Our psychology department regularly partners with computer
science for help. If you can be that person, you will be that much
more of an attractive candidate. You don’t have to sacrifice your
dreams, but have a diverse skillset.

Travel and seek out relationships with people who are not like you.
This relates to school perhaps when considering what study abroad
options they have, or in emphasizing trying a school in another state,
near a large airport, with a diverse student body, whatever.

If you have the ability, try living on campus, and get a roommate!

Then move out and get an off-campus apartment. They are different
experiences that are both awesome, but I wish my first off-campus
apartment was not after I graduated from college. Again, think about
whether there are off-campus apartments in walking or public transit
distance from campus.

Prioritize local scholarships in your process. Others may have
different experiences, but I received 3 scholarships run by entities
in my home town, 1 for students in my state, and 1 from NFB of NC. The
NFB national scholarship is the only national scholarship I have ever
gotten. I really believe that the reviewers could relate to my local
volunteerism. That said, NFB being a great example, national
scholarship programs that are narrow in scope such as those for blind
students should absolutely be considered.

Even though you are considering undergrad, position yourself so you
can prepare for grad school if you want. Learn if there are
undergraduate research opportunities available or if faculty are
accessible.

As you grapple with whether or how to talk about blindness in your
application, here is what I wish I knew. Blindness is a part of my
story. I am proud of that. It is part of what makes me who I am and it
influences the perspective. It also means that I bring privileged
knowledge to a situation that sighted people do not bring. It is also
not the whole story. I am not a success or deserving of recognition
because I am blind. But the combination of all of me works hard, and
sometimes that leads to earn accolades, therefore it should be all of
me illuminated in my essays when I apply for funding or jobs. I
recommending telling a story that represents a pivotal moment in your
life that shaped your unique perspective. Then demonstrate how that
perspective combined with your skills makes you an excellent fit for
the university or recipient of the scholarship. That is abstract
advice that will take a lot of time to concretize so,

Get a ton of feedback about your applications by people who went
through it recently or who have a lot of experiencing mentoring such
as teachers or professors! I honestly half-assed my undergrad
applications and my grad ones; I did not get in to grad school the
first time. I also applied for programs that I no longer wish to
pursue. That said, my 2nd time around, I talked to all of the grad
students I could and my now advisor, and their wisdom transformed my
applications.

Have lots of fun! There is nothing like college. I don’t want to
relive it; they were not the best years of my life as many people
purport because mine (and I hope everyone’s) keeps getting more
awesome, but they were unique years that I wouldn’t change for the
world.




On 1/6/16, Aaron via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Go to a college that has the degree you want.
>
> Thanks,
> Aaron Linson
> Do what you love, the money will follow.
>
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> The limiting factor for me in choosing colleges was that I wanted to apply
>> only for colleges in my state.  I applied last year as a senior; this was
>> before I attended LCB.  I chose to do this because at the time I wasn't
>> sure if I would have the confidence to live away.  But as I continue with
>> my progress at LCB, I realize that I could have been able to handle it.
>> Applying to colleges in different states would have completely opened up
>> my options.
>> So my advice is not to limit yourself, 'and not to let insecurities hold
>> you back; it will work out.
>> Good luck applying for your colleges.
>> Vejas
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:46:29 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Question for college students and alumni
>>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Happy New Year to everyone!
>> I'm curious to know, for those of you in college now or have graduated
>> already, what information and advice do you know now that you wish you
>> had known when you were choosing college as a high school senior? What
>> information or factors do you wish you had considered more back then?
>> This could be disability related or academic or social or just general
>> anything.
>> Thanks guys!
>>
>> Best,
>> Phil
>>
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2nd Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Jan  6 20:14:23 2016
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:14:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I think it is weird she would require this and frankly she cannot force
you.

It could be an opportunity to educate people on assitive tech.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
>
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 20:23:55 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (amazing tech)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 15:23:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avcr2HF=SFuLebZToi3fZNHh2aE_DObw4JzB927hrLF1fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avcr2HF=SFuLebZToi3fZNHh2aE_DObw4JzB927hrLF1fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <779DFC59-3FFC-4EC0-BE58-D30CCAE78B4C@gmail.com>

When I first started college I loved to educate people about technology that I used and my guide dog at the time. I still love doing it, but I'm finding that I don't have the time in my schedule nor do I really care what others thing. The professor can not make you do anything that is without side the relm of the ADA and your rights as a student with a disability. I'd would go to the dean of students with this concern as many disability departments within a university don;t give one hoot about one blind person's struggles. Be your own advocate and don't let this teacher do anything she can't legally do. She can not force you to get up and explain your technology to the class and she can not single you out either. 
Thanks, for listening,
Aaron Linson 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think it is weird she would require this and frankly she cannot force
> you.
> 
> It could be an opportunity to educate people on assitive tech.
> 
> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
>> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
>> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
>> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
>> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
>> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
>> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
>> 
>> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
>> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
>> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
>> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
>> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
>> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
>> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
>> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
>> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
>> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
>> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
>> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
>> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
>> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
>> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
>> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
>> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
>> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
>> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
>> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
>> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>> 
>> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
>> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
>> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
>> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
>> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
>> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
>> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
>> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
>> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
>> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
>> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
>> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
>> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
>> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
>> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
>> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
>> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
>> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
>> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 21:35:01 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:35:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
Message-ID: <568d88b2.86c90d0a.6f1e8.2a56@mx.google.com>

Elizabeth, the difference is that blind people cannot use a paper 
and pencil to take notes in class or take tests.  Some blind 
people are effective enough with a slate to do this, but most of 
us are not.  And when it comes to exams, it wouldn't do the 
professor any good for us to write essays in hard copy Braille 
with a slate anyway.  Those blind persons whose method of writing 
is to use a computer or notetaker should be able to use their 
method of literacy in class.  This is a perfectly reasonable 
accommodation.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:02:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor

Hello Kaiti,

What is the big deal about taking tests and exams in the testing 
center?
This is how my college deals with tests and exams, and it has 
never been a
problem for me. If the professor does not allow students to use 
computers in
the classroom, then I honestly do not see how a blind student 
should be
exempt from this policy. After all, if we are fighting to be 
treated as
equals, we should be willing to abide by the same policies as 
anyone else.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:43 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of 
reasons.  The
first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a dilemma in 
need of a
particular solution.  The second factor is that I do consider 
myself to be
comfortable with my blindness, and typically have no qualms about 
educating
others on the equipment I use when asked.  However, I just feel a 
little
awkward about the following situation and would like to get some 
ideas
bounced off of it.

I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I 
emailed the
professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about 
accommodations
in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty flexible 
and willing
to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I think she and I 
can work
well together.  However, she seems very bent on her rules 
regarding the use
of technology in the classroom.
Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't 
banishing me to the
testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I 
do
appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam 
days in the
classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I 
need to use a
computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk reaction was 
to say,
"Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need to," but I realize 
that this
professor is just trying to cover all her bases.  I just feel 
awkward about
the idea of talking about my accommodations to an entire class of 
my peers
(not familiar with me from my department) in a way that isn't 
expressly
about educating them on blindness, etc, especially on the first 
day of
classes.  I don't feel like it is fair to limit my choice of 
where I can
take my exams, which apparently are in essay format, based on 
whether or not
I want to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.

I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes 
before, but
not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses 
obviously figured
out that I am blind plenty of times without me even saying it, 
and were
intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to me or how it 
works
before.  I only had one incident about a year ago when another 
student tried
to use his laptop in class when he wasn't supposed to on the 
grounds that I
was allowed to use one so why can't he, and the teacher just told 
him to
read the syllabus and I qualified for using one because I had 
accommodations
and talked to her ahead of time.  Part of me just doesn't get why 
I have to
explain what I do to a class of people when it's obvious I can't 
use a
traditional pen and paper.  I realize I'm the different learner 
here too,
but this just seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our 
last email
that I had never been asked to do this before and would think 
about it, and
she responded basically saying that the other students are owed 
an
explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules 
are clear.  I
don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of 
accommodations
are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this the wrong 
way.
Thoughts?
--
Kaiti Shelton

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 21:35:03 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 16:35:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
Message-ID: <568d88b4.86c90d0a.6f1e8.2a58@mx.google.com>

Hi Kaiti,

Is using your technology in class an official accommodation 
registered with DSS?  If so, the professor is required to let you 
use it.  In fact, the DSS office is not allowed to tell the 
professor what your disability is, and there is no requirement 
for you to do so.  I do understand the concern about you using a 
computer while no one else can and about students perhaps 
worrying that there is favoritism going on or something.  It is 
standard, however, for professors to say that no one is allowed 
to use technology accept under special circumstances or in the 
case of disability or something similar precisely to address 
this.  You should not be forced to explain anything to your 
professor or fellow students.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor

Hi all,

I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as 
a
dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is 
that I
do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and 
typically
have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.

I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I 
emailed the
professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be 
pretty
flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, 
and I
think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very 
bent
on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't 
banishing me
to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, 
which I
do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam 
days
in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class 
why I
need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee 
jerk
reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I 
need
to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover 
all her
bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with 
me
from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating 
them
on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I 
don't
feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my 
exams,
which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I 
want
to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.

I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed 
courses
obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me 
even
saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer 
talked to
me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year 
ago
when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he 
wasn't
supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why 
can't
he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I 
qualified
for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her 
ahead of
time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I 
do to
a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen 
and
paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this 
just
seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I 
had
never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and 
she
responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules 
are
clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point 
of
accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at 
this
the wrong way.  Thoughts?
--
Kaiti Shelton

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 22:35:20 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 17:35:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <568d88b4.86c90d0a.6f1e8.2a58@mx.google.com>
References: <568d88b4.86c90d0a.6f1e8.2a58@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZDs43cRbSO76tzNs4huLne+Qr=JNJykH-bC_qezCy6fQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thank you for your feedback. I'm gratified to know that I wasn't being
overly sensitive about it. I really do enjoy being an educator on all
things blindness, but the way this instance would be framed is not how I
would choose to go about it. My point about telling the rod I'd think about
it relates exactly to what Arielle said about picking and choosing battles,
because if given the choice I do prefer to take exams in class. Karl beat
me out in explaining that using technology, a reasonable accommodation
recognized by my university, is what would allow me to participate just
like everyone else. Think about it; if I'm not allowed a computer to type
my exam just because of a tech ban the prof would need to ban pencils and
paper for the sighted students, which is completely and just as
unreasonable. Julie and others outlined a lot of the same reasons I have
for choosing to take my exams outside of the testing center whenever
possible, but the biggest reason is that I like having equal access to my
professors for clarification if needed and I also think it is pointless to
schedule a test outside of class when more than 9 times out of 10 I don't
need extended time at all.

Anyway, all syllabi do have a blurb from the university on them which
specifically states that students who feel that their learning would be
impacted by a disability should contact the disability services office and
discuss their accommodations with the professor. In most of my classes on
syllabus day the professor has also verbally stated this, but never singled
any student using accommodations out.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Kaiti,
>
> Is using your technology in class an official accommodation registered
> with DSS?  If so, the professor is required to let you use it.  In fact,
> the DSS office is not allowed to tell the professor what your disability
> is, and there is no requirement for you to do so.  I do understand the
> concern about you using a computer while no one else can and about students
> perhaps worrying that there is favoritism going on or something.  It is
> standard, however, for professors to say that no one is allowed to use
> technology accept under special circumstances or in the case of disability
> or something similar precisely to address this.  You should not be forced
> to explain anything to your professor or fellow students.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 12:43:10 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
>
> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>
> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division
2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 23:26:36 2016
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 23:26:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <779DFC59-3FFC-4EC0-BE58-D30CCAE78B4C@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avcr2HF=SFuLebZToi3fZNHh2aE_DObw4JzB927hrLF1fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<779DFC59-3FFC-4EC0-BE58-D30CCAE78B4C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1001MB1155A727C2A30535FECBCBE7E4F40@BN3PR1001MB1155.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

This is actually interesting because that's similar to my learning communities course. Technology Isn't allowed, but I had to explain why I got to use a laptop and magnalink in a place where technology wasn't allowed. I was completely comfortable because I love my professors in the course and love my community 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:25 PM, amazing tech via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When I first started college I loved to educate people about technology that I used and my guide dog at the time. I still love doing it, but I'm finding that I don't have the time in my schedule nor do I really care what others thing. The professor can not make you do anything that is without side the relm of the ADA and your rights as a student with a disability. I'd would go to the dean of students with this concern as many disability departments within a university don;t give one hoot about one blind person's struggles. Be your own advocate and don't let this teacher do anything she can't legally do. She can not force you to get up and explain your technology to the class and she can not single you out either. 
> Thanks, for listening,
> Aaron Linson 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think it is weird she would require this and frankly she cannot force
>> you.
>> 
>> It could be an opportunity to educate people on assitive tech.
>> 
>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
>>> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
>>> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
>>> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
>>> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
>>> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
>>> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
>>> 
>>> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
>>> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
>>> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
>>> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
>>> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
>>> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
>>> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
>>> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
>>> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
>>> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
>>> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
>>> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
>>> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
>>> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
>>> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
>>> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
>>> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
>>> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
>>> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
>>> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
>>> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>>> 
>>> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
>>> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
>>> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
>>> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
>>> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
>>> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
>>> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
>>> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
>>> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
>>> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
>>> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
>>> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
>>> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
>>> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
>>> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
>>> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
>>> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
>>> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
>>> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 03:06:05 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:06:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Interesting interaction with a professor
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1001MB1155A727C2A30535FECBCBE7E4F40@BN3PR1001MB1155.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAFja7FY=B3VEz_4L13uxO-sPBNS_AUj+QDC=RU2-TYhRHhMecQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF=_avcr2HF=SFuLebZToi3fZNHh2aE_DObw4JzB927hrLF1fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<779DFC59-3FFC-4EC0-BE58-D30CCAE78B4C@gmail.com>
	<BN3PR1001MB1155A727C2A30535FECBCBE7E4F40@BN3PR1001MB1155.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Everyone is different in how they want to take tests.  I very often
took tests in the testing center.  This was usually with things like
math tests which would take me longer to do then other students.
However, I did have other exams, or quizzes where a teacher would give
me the test orally.  It all depends on what you are most comfortable
doing.  Kaity you shouldn't have to discuss your reasons for using any
assistive technology in your class if you don't want to.  Good luck.

On 1/6/16, chelsea peahl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> This is actually interesting because that's similar to my learning
> communities course. Technology Isn't allowed, but I had to explain why I got
> to use a laptop and magnalink in a place where technology wasn't allowed. I
> was completely comfortable because I love my professors in the course and
> love my community
>
> Chelsea Peahl
>
>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 1:25 PM, amazing tech via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> When I first started college I loved to educate people about technology
>> that I used and my guide dog at the time. I still love doing it, but I'm
>> finding that I don't have the time in my schedule nor do I really care
>> what others thing. The professor can not make you do anything that is
>> without side the relm of the ADA and your rights as a student with a
>> disability. I'd would go to the dean of students with this concern as many
>> disability departments within a university don;t give one hoot about one
>> blind person's struggles. Be your own advocate and don't let this teacher
>> do anything she can't legally do. She can not force you to get up and
>> explain your technology to the class and she can not single you out
>> either.
>> Thanks, for listening,
>> Aaron Linson
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 6, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it is weird she would require this and frankly she cannot force
>>> you.
>>>
>>> It could be an opportunity to educate people on assitive tech.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I've been thinking about this for a while now for a variety of
>>>> reasons.  The first is that I wouldn't necessarily describe it as a
>>>> dilemma in need of a particular solution.  The second factor is that I
>>>> do consider myself to be comfortable with my blindness, and typically
>>>> have no qualms about educating others on the equipment I use when
>>>> asked.  However, I just feel a little awkward about the following
>>>> situation and would like to get some ideas bounced off of it.
>>>>
>>>> I'm taking a psychology course this spring, so of course I emailed the
>>>> professor to introduce myself and start the discussion about
>>>> accommodations in advance.  Generally the professor seems to be pretty
>>>> flexible and willing to adapt the existing plans when necessary, and I
>>>> think she and I can work well together.  However, she seems very bent
>>>> on her rules regarding the use of technology in the classroom.
>>>> Obviously I'm the exception to her typical rule because the
>>>> computer/notetaker is my pencil and paper, and she isn't banishing me
>>>> to the testing center for exam days like some professors have, which I
>>>> do appreciate.  However, whether or not I can participate on exam days
>>>> in the classroom is contingent upon me explaining to the class why I
>>>> need to use a computer when they are not allowed to.  My knee jerk
>>>> reaction was to say, "Well, it should be pretty obvious why I need
>>>> to," but I realize that this professor is just trying to cover all her
>>>> bases.  I just feel awkward about the idea of talking about my
>>>> accommodations to an entire class of my peers (not familiar with me
>>>> from my department) in a way that isn't expressly about educating them
>>>> on blindness, etc, especially on the first day of classes.  I don't
>>>> feel like it is fair to limit my choice of where I can take my exams,
>>>> which apparently are in essay format, based on whether or not I want
>>>> to explain how Jaws works and why I need it.
>>>>
>>>> I have comfortably talked about blindness and such with classes
>>>> before, but not quite in this way.  Classmates in other gen ed courses
>>>> obviously figured out that I am blind plenty of times without me even
>>>> saying it, and were intellegent enough to ask if my computer talked to
>>>> me or how it works before.  I only had one incident about a year ago
>>>> when another student tried to use his laptop in class when he wasn't
>>>> supposed to on the grounds that I was allowed to use one so why can't
>>>> he, and the teacher just told him to read the syllabus and I qualified
>>>> for using one because I had accommodations and talked to her ahead of
>>>> time.  Part of me just doesn't get why I have to explain what I do to
>>>> a class of people when it's obvious I can't use a traditional pen and
>>>> paper.  I realize I'm the different learner here too, but this just
>>>> seems weird to me.  I told the professor in our last email that I had
>>>> never been asked to do this before and would think about it, and she
>>>> responded basically saying that the other students are owed an
>>>> explanation of why I can use something they can't so the rules are
>>>> clear.  I don't necessarily agree with that since the whole point of
>>>> accommodations are to make access equal, but maybe I'm looking at this
>>>> the wrong way.  Thoughts?
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 03:07:45 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 21:07:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Do You Think This is Real?
Message-ID: <568dd6a5.4942b60a.32f62.ffffc039@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I received an e-mail earlier today about an app that somebody 
needs help beta testing.  Judging by the way it is written, it 
has no signature and I don't really know who this person is, I 
can't tell if this is a real project or if it is just spam.  Has 
anyone heard of this?
I'm pasting the text of the e-mail (verbatim wording and 
grammar):
 hi Vejas, i am tom.  contacting you to request advice.  we are 
working with
a group of fifty visually impaired and blind beta testers to 
develop a
non-visual networking / dating app.  would very much appreciate 
if you
could kick the tires on the app, and share your feedback with our 
group of
volunteers.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 03:57:48 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 19:57:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Do You Think This is Real?
In-Reply-To: <568dd6a5.4942b60a.32f62.ffffc039@mx.google.com>
References: <568dd6a5.4942b60a.32f62.ffffc039@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBB1rSCbB2bKQQxk+QJeYZGs0ZH+jV9xnRotjQj2LoFFw@mail.gmail.com>

It could be real, but it's hard to tell. If you have any doubts, it's
probably best to just ignore the email. You could also try doing a
google search on the sender's email address.
Best, Arielle

On 1/6/16, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I received an e-mail earlier today about an app that somebody
> needs help beta testing.  Judging by the way it is written, it
> has no signature and I don't really know who this person is, I
> can't tell if this is a real project or if it is just spam.  Has
> anyone heard of this?
> I'm pasting the text of the e-mail (verbatim wording and
> grammar):
>  hi Vejas, i am tom.  contacting you to request advice.  we are
> working with
> a group of fifty visually impaired and blind beta testers to
> develop a
> non-visual networking / dating app.  would very much appreciate
> if you
> could kick the tires on the app, and share your feedback with our
> group of
> volunteers.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 19:25:45 2016
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:25:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
Message-ID: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.

From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 20:55:18 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:55:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
References: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.237.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Mariya,

         Frankly, I'm surprised this is even a question
! First of all, without any experience in the class, you can't know 
the color of teach's style or other minutia about the configuration 
of the class. So yes, take all the help you can get. Imagine trying 
to, after the class is already well underway, securing an 
assistant?  At 11:25 AM 1/7/2016, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l wrote:


>Sent from my iPhone
>Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive 
>astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I 
>might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the 
>visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a 
>good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really need 
>it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's 
>really all that necessary.
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 21:14:07 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 16:14:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
Message-ID: <568ed54e.887d810a.def66.5d51@mx.google.com>

It seems to me that the best course would be to contact your 
professor and ask them about what will be happening in class and 
whether it would be a good idea for you to have an assistant.  
Explain to your professor how you learn and your experiences in 
other classes and point out all the ways of making things 
accessible you have access to.  If you and your professor come to 
the conclusion that you don't need an assistant, then don't get 
one.  But don't just make an assumption one way or the other 
without information.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:55:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question.

Afternoon, Mariya,

         Frankly, I'm surprised this is even a question
! First of all, without any experience in the class, you can't 
know
the color of teach's style or other minutia about the 
configuration
of the class. So yes, take all the help you can get. Imagine 
trying
to, after the class is already well underway, securing an
assistant?  At 11:25 AM 1/7/2016, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l 
wrote:


Sent from my iPhone
Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive
astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that 
I
might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the
visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a
good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really 
need
it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's
really all that necessary.
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 21:29:51 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:29:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <568ed54e.887d810a.def66.5d51@mx.google.com>
References: <568ed54e.887d810a.def66.5d51@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <007801d14992$8b6f6000$a24e2000$@gmail.com>

Karl's
Right.  Astronomy, though I haven't taken it before, is visual,  However, if
you go through the class syllabus, and talk to the professor and discover
that you can do it without a notetaker, then do so.  However, if you really
need a notetaker, then get one.  
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:14 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question.

It seems to me that the best course would be to contact your professor and
ask them about what will be happening in class and whether it would be a
good idea for you to have an assistant.  
Explain to your professor how you learn and your experiences in other
classes and point out all the ways of making things accessible you have
access to.  If you and your professor come to the conclusion that you don't
need an assistant, then don't get one.  But don't just make an assumption
one way or the other without information.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:55:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question.

Afternoon, Mariya,

         Frankly, I'm surprised this is even a question ! First of all,
without any experience in the class, you can't know the color of teach's
style or other minutia about the configuration of the class. So yes, take
all the help you can get. Imagine trying to, after the class is already well
underway, securing an assistant?  At 11:25 AM 1/7/2016, Mariya Vasileva via
nabs-l
wrote:


Sent from my iPhone
Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy
course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a
person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that will
be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I
personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at
visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Jan  7 21:46:05 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:46:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <007801d14992$8b6f6000$a24e2000$@gmail.com>
References: <568ed54e.887d810a.def66.5d51@mx.google.com>
	<007801d14992$8b6f6000$a24e2000$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5+PUViAh5e3v=xqgo+D0wf+Dar+2SPDcdk7BAfOmmSvw@mail.gmail.com>

I can see  both sides of the argument.

On one hand, you want to be as endependent as possible. On the other hand,
Science courses are visual, and it
can be difficult to understand material by just viualizing things.  Karl is
1000 percent correct!
Talk to your professor before the term starts! Figure out how they work!
Many professors have a natural tendincy to describe things well, especially
if it is a class that they have !aught before. I have also had professors
invite me to take time to meet with them outside of class to describe
things in a way that works for me. However, if it becomes clear that your
professor is unwilling to describe material, or isn't good at it, an
assistant in the class would be good.

Another option would be to go through the first week of classes without an
assistant, and see how you feel. If a professor is doing a good job of
talking about the material in a way that you understand, or they are okay
with meeting outside of class, don't use an assistant! If their
descriptions aren't helping, or worse, making things more comfusing, get an
assistant. This second method might be a bit difficult, because finding an
assistant after the term has started can be tough.

I hope this helps!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 3:29 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Karl's
> Right.  Astronomy, though I haven't taken it before, is visual,  However,
> if
> you go through the class syllabus, and talk to the professor and discover
> that you can do it without a notetaker, then do so.  However, if you really
> need a notetaker, then get one.
> Justin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 4:14 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question.
>
> It seems to me that the best course would be to contact your professor and
> ask them about what will be happening in class and whether it would be a
> good idea for you to have an assistant.
> Explain to your professor how you learn and your experiences in other
> classes and point out all the ways of making things accessible you have
> access to.  If you and your professor come to the conclusion that you don't
> need an assistant, then don't get one.  But don't just make an assumption
> one way or the other without information.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 12:55:18 -0800
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Question.
>
> Afternoon, Mariya,
>
>          Frankly, I'm surprised this is even a question ! First of all,
> without any experience in the class, you can't know the color of teach's
> style or other minutia about the configuration of the class. So yes, take
> all the help you can get. Imagine trying to, after the class is already
> well
> underway, securing an assistant?  At 11:25 AM 1/7/2016, Mariya Vasileva via
> nabs-l
> wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy
> course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a
> person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that
> will
> be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I
> personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at
> visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 22:04:01 2016
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:04:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
References: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B7C84597-59BD-4565-A4FA-2C2D3C5E4A94@gmail.com>

I started out without one in geology and then ended up getting one later in the semester. Happy new year, you should call me or something sometime 

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:25, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 23:00:48 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 16:00:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <B7C84597-59BD-4565-A4FA-2C2D3C5E4A94@gmail.com>
References: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
	<B7C84597-59BD-4565-A4FA-2C2D3C5E4A94@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF6CAAB0-B86C-4471-9B8B-93B48ECED8A0@gmail.com>

I am a Physics major, heavily involved in my school's NASA Space Grant program, and most relevant to this thread, I am president of my school's astronomy club and have been studying astronomy for just over a year now. Astronomy classes usually discuss planet and star formation, orbits, light and optics, as well as the properties of various objects in our solar system at the introductory level. All of this information can be understood nonvisually, but unless your professor is blind, or happens to be a nonvisual learner herself, I can almost guarantee it will be presented to you visually. I highly recommend that you talk to your professor well in advance of the first day of class and learn about her teaching style. If she uses pre-made graphics, you might be able to get these produced in a tactile format or have vivid descriptions written ahead of time so you can follow along in class unassisted, and just ask questions as needed. If she draws and writes things on the board, mostly from memory, then I would highly recommend getting an assistant for the class AND a tactile drawing board so that you can observe the patterns being discussed in class along with the class. Knowing what a star or planet looks like isn't important. You'll never need to look into a telescope and find Saturn manually. But knowing how the planets and stars move across the sky and around our sun is important. Knowing what a logarithmic curve looks like is important. Knowing where a beam of light will go if you bend it through a lens or with a mirror is important. Knowing how the earth wobbles as it rotates about its axis and why this means Polaris won't always be (and hasn't always been) the North Star is important. And having a way to represent these patterns tactually and verbally without falling behind is important. 

Some other things you can so to increase the likelihood of your success in Astronomy are to record lectures and urge your professor (persistently) to be very verbose and avoid no descriptive words like "this thing here". This may take frequent reminders, but don't be shy. Your teacher will ultimately prefer to be reminded constantly than to be blamed later when she hasn't been corrected and you start doing poorly in the class because of it. 

Also, get yoyr book early, in the format that you are most comfortable with, and read, read, READ! Read about the upcoming lecture topic before that lecture, and if you can, read the chapter again after lecture as you are working on homework. The more you read and listen about the same ideas, the more and more they will start to become clear. 

And finally, in addition to reading and listening, you need to talk about astronomy. Talk to your classmates. Talk to your professor during office hours, even if you don't need any specific help. Talk to your cat. Talk to anyone who will listen and try to describe the ideas you learned and get them to understand. This will help you figure out what you didn't know you were misunderstanding, which is very important if you don't know what you might not be seeing in class. And it will reinforce what you do understand. 

And finally, just a personal tip about observation. Never forget that the sun is a star, too, and we don't need our eyes to directly experience the movement and intensity and beauty of that one. :)

Best,

Jamie Principato

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 3:04 PM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I started out without one in geology and then ended up getting one later in the semester. Happy new year, you should call me or something sometime 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:25, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 04:24:24 2016
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 23:24:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
In-Reply-To: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
References: <72CCD8EE-58B5-46D9-BEA6-A3F66C8449FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E86E1F03-131B-4394-A091-7F74B6C036DA@gmail.com>

I took a similar class in college as well. I used an assistant and received a lot of good information from my assistant. I would take all the help you can get.

Nathan Clark

> On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> Hi guys, I have a question. I'm going to be taking a descriptive astronomy course this semester. One of the OSD staff thought that I might need a person in the class with me to describe a lot of the visual things that will be shown throughout the course. Is this a good idea or is it not. I personally, don't think that I really need it. Because I'm good at visualization and I just don't think it's really all that necessary.
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From nabs.president at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 19:11:39 2016
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:11:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking assistance against discrimination
Message-ID: <000501d14a48$6fd90790$4f8b16b0$@gmail.com>

Good Friday afternoon,

 

I have been asked by a colleague to assist in an effort to find blind
individuals who study or work in the fields of zoology or animal science.
This is related to an effort to stop a school from discriminating against a
blind student wishing to enter this field. They need to hear from blind
people who have experience to demonstrate that blind individuals can work in
these fields. If you or anybody you know has work experience in any of the
following jobs, please contact me via nabs.president at gmail.com
<mailto:nabs.president at gmail.com>  so I can put you in touch. This is very
important and has major implications for the field of study or a young blind
individual. Please contact me at your earliest convenience if you know
anybody who has worked, or if you yourself have worked in these fields:

 

Entomologist, Fish Culturist, Fishery Biologist, Herpetologist,
Ichthyologist, Lepidopterist, Marine Biologist, Migratory Game Bird
Biologist, Ornithologist, Protozoologist, and Wildlife Biologist (all these
jobs fall under zoologist) or Animal Nutritionist, Animal Scientist, Beef
Cattle Nutritionist, Dairy Scientist, Poultry Scientist, and Swine Genetics
Researcher (all these jobs fall under animal scientist)

 

Thank you very much for your assistance!

 

Take care,

 

Sean

 

Sean Whalen

President, National Association of Blind Students

Nabs.president at gmail.com


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  9 21:22:05 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
Message-ID: <5BE10DC4D30646B9983843FBE4DAC31A@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’d like to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your library and the resources it has.
I’ve written about my struggles before. The gist is that many library databases have access issues. The ebsco ones are the worst. Its hard to open the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them with spacebar. I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest are generally user friendly and accessible. Jstor is fairly decent, but seems like most articles are image pdfs or display on the screen as images. I kept wondering why jaws was saying graphic and the next line said page 1 of 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me that the text must be an image; so I found the pdf link to download it.
The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it.

Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support from the reference desk. They retrieved books for me and other students had to find them by call number. I got pretty much the same support as other students. I was on my own with access barriers. Sometimes, I was able to get a library assistant to sit down with me and look at the database and then email me relevant articles. This worked much faster than jaws.

Now, to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community college, nova, while looking for work.

Many Nova reference staff are great and in fact go the extra mile. They explain well how to search databases. Others seem to struggle how to verbalize things. Normally, they demo the task and have the information seeker watch what they are doing.
I’ve also learned how to use library sources through one on one support at Nova.

But, if an ebook or database is inaccessible, I’m on my own.
Nova has several campuses, each with its own library. One campus offered to scan selections from a few books for me for school related projects.
Only two campuses provide a computer with jaws to use. One of them is the campus I go to, annandale.

I think libraries need to provide more access to us  especially when its school related; its part of our education, after all.
I’m wondering if having books scanned for you is the norm or the exception.
Does your library provide any help if their ebooks are not accessible?

It seems to me that to do research, even in this techy age, that we need readers, as the vast majority of information is in hard copy print or inaccessible. I remember working on my conflict resolution paper  and found a few ebooks that seemed perfect and the librarian even checked the contents to tell me what chapters were relevant. At  first I was glad; oh an ebook, and I can read the chapters at home on my own time, because its electronic and should be accessible. Then, I found out the ebook was not accessible. I did fine on the research, but had to use an old fashioned reader.
I like readers as it gives me interaction and they can skim for info skipping irrelevant info that  a pc could not do. But readers pose problems with scheduling and mine are often not reliable or cancel on me last minute if they have exams.

Anyway, look forward to your thoughts.

Ashley

From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 21:47:34 2016
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 15:47:34 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
Message-ID: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>

Hi,
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=20using=20them=20
helpful?
Vejas


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  9 21:55:32 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:55:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
Message-ID: <B19600C2789B42B6984C1BF227500794@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc in the testing center. 

For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office, sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and we go out to the hall for the quiz.
Other times, I use the testing center.

I might take survey of american literature this semester.
Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do them orally.
I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or laptops, so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be concerned with cheating.
I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes in class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up something in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere different so others cannot see your screen?

Thanks.

Ashley

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Jan  9 22:17:16 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:17:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
In-Reply-To: <B19600C2789B42B6984C1BF227500794@OwnerPC>
References: <B19600C2789B42B6984C1BF227500794@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY6KTe_mggG9b2XEFOVZWj09W2cXgSUCGdbcn8HfEWq0pg@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,

It really does depend on the class. One of my first college classes, the
professor insisted that I take her short five-question quizes in the
Testing Center. My DSS office strongly objected, and she eventually let me
take the quizes in class.

Most of the time, I take quizes orally with the professor.

As for cheating, I think your previous track record should speak for
itself. If you've been honest in the past, it shouldn't be a problem. Your
professor will probably trust you. If it is a concern, you certainly can
sit somewhere else in the class or go out into the hallway, and take it
with a notetaker or your laptop, or even with the professor in her office.
Alternatively, the professor might ask you to write an "hnor statement."
I've been asked to do this before. It's just one or two sentences that says
that you promise not to use any outside resources to take the quiz. This
way, the professor has proof that you agreeed not to cheat.
Whatever you and your professor decide to do should be fine! The fact that
you're concerned about cheating shows that you won't do it!

I hope this helps!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
> I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc
> in the testing center.
>
> For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office,
> sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and
> we go out to the hall for the quiz.
> Other times, I use the testing center.
>
> I might take survey of american literature this semester.
> Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
> I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do
> them orally.
> I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
> I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some
> blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or
> laptops, so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be
> concerned with cheating.
> I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes
> in class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
> It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up
> something in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
> For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere
> different so others cannot see your screen?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Jan  9 22:28:56 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:28:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
In-Reply-To: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>
References: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5BmVcwi+d+mTKs3+oaod3xe5kZsa2p2xvyhE9d9_Drnw@mail.gmail.com>

Ashley,

It honestly depends on the type of research you are doing. You are so right
about the Ebsco databases, though. They are a nightmare!

If you're looking for scinitific journal articles, I find that Google
Scholar is very
accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz might also be an option, if
they have the books you need.

I have had both good and bad experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely
agree that it's frustrating to still need readers in this day and age! It's
kind of redicubous!

Good luck with your classes this semester!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> If you have a Bookshare account, you could try looking for the book
> there.  If you're working on a research paper of some kind, Bookshare
> usually has some good books on the topic you're researching.
> I never used the databases in high school; do you find using them helpful?
> Vejas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your
> library and the resources it has.
> I’ve written about my struggles before.  The gist is that many library
> databases have access issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to
> open the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them
> with spacebar.  I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest are
> generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems
> like most articles are image pdfs or display on the screen as images.  I
> kept wondering why jaws was saying graphic and the next line said page 1 of
> 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me that the text must
> be an image; so I found the pdf link to download it.
> The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it.
>
> Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support from the
> reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and other students had to find
> them by call number.  I got pretty much the same support as other
> students.  I was on my own with access barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to
> get a library assistant to sit down with me and look at the database and
> then email me relevant articles.  This worked much faster than jaws.
>
> Now, to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community
> college, nova, while looking for work.
>
> Many Nova reference staff are great and in fact go the extra mile.  They
> explain well how to search databases.  Others seem to struggle how to
> verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the task and have the information
> seeker watch what they are doing
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>

From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 22:30:59 2016
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:30:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Academic Library access.
Message-ID: <E800F79C-BC86-4938-9474-EA5569889DD5@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Hi Ashley, have you used CQ Researcher and Opposing View Points? They are both very accessible research databases that I used last semester for a freshman English composition course. 

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 22:56:29 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 14:56:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] what's up with my iphone 5
Message-ID: <56919033.5948620a.277e9.ffffc9d6@mx.google.com>

Hi, Today I tried to restore my old iphone and it said "This 
iphone isn't eligible for the requested build," I restarted it 
and it still keeps getting this message.  Now I'm in recover 
mode.  How can I fix that?


From crystalplemmons at gmail.com  Sat Jan  9 23:39:42 2016
From: crystalplemmons at gmail.com (Crystal Plemmons)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:39:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Middle English
Message-ID: <D0FB8631-1C0B-4C62-8454-253E9636806E@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

I am taking a class on Chaucer, and part of the class will be learning Middle English. Does anyone have experience with Middle English or reading Chaucer with JAWS? My only idea is to use the French language setting because Middle English is pronounced like the Romance languages. 

I hope everyone has a wonderful semester, and I appreciate any advice on studying Chaucer and his contemporaries. . 

Thanks,

Crystal 

Sent from my iPad

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  9 23:46:27 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:46:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY5BmVcwi+d+mTKs3+oaod3xe5kZsa2p2xvyhE9d9_Drnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>
	<CANvQTY5BmVcwi+d+mTKs3+oaod3xe5kZsa2p2xvyhE9d9_Drnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AEFDEA11BE054C5A84F4380004835F16@OwnerPC>

Hello Kennedy,

Glad you shared your thoughts. I guess we just have to do what we can do and 
get help with human readers.
Readers are great when they work well and are dependable, but I've had many 
unreliable readers.
I am glad someone gets the frustration with ebsco databases. They are 
terrible. What I learned from a good librarian though Ii s something that 
saves me so much time. Before, I did the same search in several ebsco 
databases. This librarian showed me how to search all ebsco databases at 
once, or you can pick which databases you desire to search by checking the 
boxes. So, once you pick the databases you want, you press a button and it 
sets it to that search. Then I limit it to certain types of articles so I do 
not get hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I wish I had known 
that before.
I suggest that if you need many ebsco databases that you have a librarian 
show you this trick. Press B to get to the buttons.

My experience is also that some librarians are great, and some are not. 
Yeah, a mixed bag of good and bvad ones.
It takes more skills and patience to describe what they are doing, and some 
do not have it. They typically show students what they are doing on the 
screen, and since I cannot see the screen, they have to verbalize it.

I was researching Queen victoria, and needed biographical info not online 
through databases. So, I used readers.
I got an extension on the project as I needed more time as my readers took 
longer to find the info and they cancelled sometimes on me.

Well, we pretty have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever have free 
time and find an ebsco contact for accessibility, I'll write to them.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:28 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access

Ashley,

It honestly depends on the type of research you are doing. You are so right
about the Ebsco databases, though. They are a nightmare!

If you're looking for scinitific journal articles, I find that Google
Scholar is very
accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz might also be an option, if
they have the books you need.

I have had both good and bad experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely
agree that it's frustrating to still need readers in this day and age! It's
kind of redicubous!

Good luck with your classes this semester!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> If you have a Bookshare account, you could try looking for the book
> there.  If you're working on a research paper of some kind, Bookshare
> usually has some good books on the topic you're researching.
> I never used the databases in high school; do you find using them helpful?
> Vejas
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
>
> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your
> library and the resources it has.
> I’ve written about my struggles before.  The gist is that many library
> databases have access issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to
> open the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them
> with spacebar.  I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest are
> generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems
> like most articles are image pdfs or display on the screen as images.  I
> kept wondering why jaws was saying graphic and the next line said page 1 
> of
> 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me that the text must
> be an image; so I found the pdf link to download it.
> The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it.
>
> Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support from the
> reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and other students had to 
> find
> them by call number.  I got pretty much the same support as other
> students.  I was on my own with access barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to
> get a library assistant to sit down with me and look at the database and
> then email me relevant articles.  This worked much faster than jaws.
>
> Now, to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community
> college, nova, while looking for work.
>
> Many Nova reference staff are great and in fact go the extra mile.  They
> explain well how to search databases.  Others seem to struggle how to
> verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the task and have the information
> seeker watch what they are doing
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  9 23:48:17 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:48:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Academic Library access.
In-Reply-To: <E800F79C-BC86-4938-9474-EA5569889DD5@gmail.com>
References: <E800F79C-BC86-4938-9474-EA5569889DD5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B3092ADAD47E45B0BEC813D0277ACE6E@OwnerPC>

Hi,
have not used cq researcher but once a long time ago. if I need to research 
something factual appropriate for that database, I'll give it a try.
Thanks for sharing its accessible; a good database on many government and 
business policies.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:30 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Mariya Vasileva
Subject: [nabs-l] Academic Library access.



Sent from my iPhone
Hi Ashley, have you used CQ Researcher and Opposing View Points? They are 
both very accessible research databases that I used last semester for a 
freshman English composition course.
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Jan 10 00:08:22 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:08:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
In-Reply-To: <AEFDEA11BE054C5A84F4380004835F16@OwnerPC>
References: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>
	<CANvQTY5BmVcwi+d+mTKs3+oaod3xe5kZsa2p2xvyhE9d9_Drnw@mail.gmail.com>
	<AEFDEA11BE054C5A84F4380004835F16@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5Ov8u2h9J9ZfWk=+-jRorrt23bSw2cV+nqi5is36Na_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for telling me about the trick with EBSCO databases! I will have to
look into it!

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Kennedy,
>
> Glad you shared your thoughts. I guess we just have to do what we can do
> and get help with human readers.
> Readers are great when they work well and are dependable, but I've had
> many unreliable readers.
> I am glad someone gets the frustration with ebsco databases. They are
> terrible. What I learned from a good librarian though Ii s something that
> saves me so much time. Before, I did the same search in several ebsco
> databases. This librarian showed me how to search all ebsco databases at
> once, or you can pick which databases you desire to search by checking the
> boxes. So, once you pick the databases you want, you press a button and it
> sets it to that search. Then I limit it to certain types of articles so I
> do not get hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I wish I had known
> that before.
> I suggest that if you need many ebsco databases that you have a librarian
> show you this trick. Press B to get to the buttons.
>
> My experience is also that some librarians are great, and some are not.
> Yeah, a mixed bag of good and bvad ones.
> It takes more skills and patience to describe what they are doing, and
> some do not have it. They typically show students what they are doing on
> the screen, and since I cannot see the screen, they have to verbalize it.
>
> I was researching Queen victoria, and needed biographical info not online
> through databases. So, I used readers.
> I got an extension on the project as I needed more time as my readers took
> longer to find the info and they cancelled sometimes on me.
>
> Well, we pretty have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever have free
> time and find an ebsco contact for accessibility, I'll write to them.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:28 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access
>
>
> Ashley,
>
> It honestly depends on the type of research you are doing. You are so right
> about the Ebsco databases, though. They are a nightmare!
>
> If you're looking for scinitific journal articles, I find that Google
> Scholar is very
> accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz might also be an option, if
> they have the books you need.
>
> I have had both good and bad experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely
> agree that it's frustrating to still need readers in this day and age! It's
> kind of redicubous!
>
> Good luck with your classes this semester!
> Kennedy Stomberg
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>> If you have a Bookshare account, you could try looking for the book
>> there.  If you're working on a research paper of some kind, Bookshare
>> usually has some good books on the topic you're researching.
>> I never used the databases in high school; do you find using them helpful?
>> Vejas
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I’d like to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your
>> library and the resources it has.
>> I’ve written about my struggles before.  The gist is that many library
>> databases have access issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to
>> open the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them
>> with spacebar.  I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest are
>> generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems
>> like most articles are image pdfs or display on the screen as images.  I
>> kept wondering why jaws was saying graphic and the next line said page 1
>> of
>> 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me that the text must
>> be an image; so I found the pdf link to download it.
>> The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it.
>>
>> Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support from the
>> reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and other students had to
>> find
>> them by call number.  I got pretty much the same support as other
>> students.  I was on my own with access barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to
>> get a library assistant to sit down with me and look at the database and
>> then email me relevant articles.  This worked much faster than jaws.
>>
>> Now, to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community
>> college, nova, while looking for work.
>>
>> Many Nova reference staff are great and in fact go the extra mile.  They
>> explain well how to search databases.  Others seem to struggle how to
>> verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the task and have the information
>> seeker watch what they are doing
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu
>>
>>
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sun Jan 10 00:11:40 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:11:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Middle English
In-Reply-To: <D0FB8631-1C0B-4C62-8454-253E9636806E@gmail.com>
References: <D0FB8631-1C0B-4C62-8454-253E9636806E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY58TLgjPAxNW1LVo5v3zkxUN7TgsiU8jeYJ=vjC4SJamA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! What a neat concept! Learning Middle  English!
Do
you use a Braille Keyboard of some sort? That will change how you learn this.


On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:39 PM, Crystal Plemmons via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I am taking a class on Chaucer, and part of the class will be learning
> Middle English. Does anyone have experience with Middle English or reading
> Chaucer with JAWS? My only idea is to use the French language setting
> because Middle English is pronounced like the Romance languages.
>
> I hope everyone has a wonderful semester, and I appreciate any advice on
> studying Chaucer and his contemporaries. .
>
> Thanks,
>
> Crystal
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jan 10 01:50:01 2016
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:50:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Middle English
In-Reply-To: <D0FB8631-1C0B-4C62-8454-253E9636806E@gmail.com>
References: <D0FB8631-1C0B-4C62-8454-253E9636806E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69584D38-F972-4D7B-8C02-08672AA3C725@bellsouth.net>

I recommend using livravox for Chaucer 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Crystal Plemmons via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am taking a class on Chaucer, and part of the class will be learning Middle English. Does anyone have experience with Middle English or reading Chaucer with JAWS? My only idea is to use the French language setting because Middle English is pronounced like the Romance languages. 
> 
> I hope everyone has a wonderful semester, and I appreciate any advice on studying Chaucer and his contemporaries. . 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Crystal 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jan 10 02:00:42 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 21:00:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <8ED108CB-7284-4922-A898-E5955A0B6953@comcast.net>
References: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>
	<002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>
	<FDC7D396-DFBE-4D4F-A53B-F8A69F42904F@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0126F2DE@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<92BAE524-D55B-41E0-B980-1FF17B8A9CAC@icloud.com>
	<003801d145c1$fcb155e0$f61401a0$@gmail.com>
	<8ED108CB-7284-4922-A898-E5955A0B6953@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F0DA9809-7D20-4D88-BAED-6D19DB24F820@icloud.com>

Marci, thank you for your perspective as a state affiliate President. Does anyone know when the fact sheet will be released? the members of my local chapter were wondering. Thank you.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Chris makes some excellent points. The only one I would add is to maintain close contact with your NFB state affiliate President and, if there is a different person who is the Legislative Director in your state, keep in touch with that person also. There may be other Federationists who are not students who can go with you to a meeting in the local district with a Congressperson. They can support you and it is always good to have a few constituents in a meeting. The congressperson then sees that it isn’t just one person who is concerned about our issues. As a state  President I encourage all members to keep in contact with their local Congressional offices; to have meetings and attend events. If there is a student who has experience trying to use inaccessible college technology or someone who has worked somewhere for subminimum wages it makes the arguments that much stronger. 
> 
> It’s great to have so many students engaged in our efforts!
> 
> Marci Carpenter
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Mikayla:
>> 
>> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
>> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under their
>> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale events,
>> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which appears
>> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
>> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
>> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned and
>> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in following up
>> with Congressional staffers:
>> 
>> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to use
>> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal phone
>> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being deleted
>> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they get
>> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a personal
>> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may request
>> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need not
>> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
>> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state affiliate
>> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the first
>> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
>> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
>> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
>> 
>> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington Seminar
>> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
>> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the Congressmen
>> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington Seminar
>> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate blind
>> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
>> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often forget
>> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
>> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
>> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a meeting.
>> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local offices
>> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
>> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local staff
>> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage of
>> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts and
>> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
>> 
>> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media guy,
>> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions. All
>> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
>> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress have
>> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number of
>> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it. So,
>> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities, and
>> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do the
>> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our issues.
>> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct, for
>> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
>> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of social
>> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the more
>> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
>> 
>> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
>> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the past
>> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally who
>> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto these
>> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
>> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate who is
>> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a supporter
>> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I asked
>> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I got a
>> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
>> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
>> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted me
>> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
>> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
>> 
>> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she is
>> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and ask
>> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
>> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists so
>> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event, like a
>> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact with
>> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A good
>> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social media
>> or sign up for their email newsletters.
>> 
>> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
>> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that the
>> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that we
>> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to your
>> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here to
>> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep up
>> the great work!
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
>> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
>> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
>> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
>> sentence response from them. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
>> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
>> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
>> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
>> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
>> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
>> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Michael Ausbun
>>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
>>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>>> 
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
>>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Cc: Derek Manners
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
>> would be directly affected by the law.
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Derek Manners
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>>>> sound and be authentic.
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>>>> information in your own words?
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>> 
>>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>>> 
>>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
>> district, to go through.
>>>> 
>>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
>> why I was writing them.
>>>> 
>>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>>> 
>>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
>> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
>> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
>> Congress.
>>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
>> would be more difficult.
>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>> 
>>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>>> 
>>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
>> Seminar.
>>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>>> 
>>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>> In general,
>>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>>> 
>>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
>> Seminar.
>>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>>> 
>>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>>> 
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
>> forum.
>>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Vejas
>>>> 
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Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:14:17 -0800
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The text of the fact sheets is on the nfb.org website. There is a Washington Seminar link on the first page. You can go to the page with the text, then copy and paste them into a document. I’m sure the Word documents will be out in a few days.

Marci
> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Marci, thank you for your perspective as a state affiliate President. Does anyone know when the fact sheet will be released? the members of my local chapter were wondering. Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris makes some excellent points. The only one I would add is to maintain close contact with your NFB state affiliate President and, if there is a different person who is the Legislative Director in your state, keep in touch with that person also. There may be other Federationists who are not students who can go with you to a meeting in the local district with a Congressperson. They can support you and it is always good to have a few constituents in a meeting. The congressperson then sees that it isn’t just one person who is concerned about our issues. As a state  President I encourage all members to keep in contact with their local Congressional offices; to have meetings and attend events. If there is a student who has experience trying to use inaccessible college technology or someone who has worked somewhere for subminimum wages it makes the arguments that much stronger. 
>> 
>> It’s great to have so many students engaged in our efforts!
>> 
>> Marci Carpenter
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mikayla:
>>> 
>>> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
>>> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under their
>>> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale events,
>>> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which appears
>>> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
>>> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
>>> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned and
>>> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in following up
>>> with Congressional staffers:
>>> 
>>> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to use
>>> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal phone
>>> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being deleted
>>> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they get
>>> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a personal
>>> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may request
>>> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need not
>>> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
>>> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state affiliate
>>> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the first
>>> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
>>> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
>>> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
>>> 
>>> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington Seminar
>>> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
>>> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the Congressmen
>>> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington Seminar
>>> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate blind
>>> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
>>> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often forget
>>> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
>>> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
>>> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a meeting.
>>> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local offices
>>> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
>>> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local staff
>>> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage of
>>> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts and
>>> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
>>> 
>>> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media guy,
>>> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions. All
>>> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
>>> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress have
>>> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number of
>>> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it. So,
>>> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities, and
>>> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do the
>>> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our issues.
>>> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct, for
>>> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
>>> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of social
>>> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the more
>>> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
>>> 
>>> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
>>> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the past
>>> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally who
>>> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto these
>>> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
>>> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate who is
>>> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a supporter
>>> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I asked
>>> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I got a
>>> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
>>> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
>>> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted me
>>> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
>>> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
>>> 
>>> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she is
>>> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and ask
>>> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
>>> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists so
>>> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event, like a
>>> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact with
>>> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A good
>>> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social media
>>> or sign up for their email newsletters.
>>> 
>>> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
>>> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that the
>>> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that we
>>> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to your
>>> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here to
>>> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep up
>>> the great work!
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
>>> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
>>> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
>>> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
>>> sentence response from them. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
>>> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
>>> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
>>> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
>>> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
>>> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
>>> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>>>> Respectfully,
>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
>>>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
>>>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Derek Manners
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
>>> would be directly affected by the law.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Derek Manners
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>>>>> sound and be authentic.
>>>>> Justin
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>>>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>>>>> information in your own words?
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>>>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>>>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>>>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>>>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>>>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>>>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>>>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>>>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>>>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
>>> district, to go through.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>>>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>>>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>>>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>>>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>>>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
>>> why I was writing them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>>>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>>>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>>>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>>>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>>>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>>>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>>>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>>>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
>>> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>>>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>>>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>>>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>>>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
>>> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>>>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>>>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
>>> Congress.
>>>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>>>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>>>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>>>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>>>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>>>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>>>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>>>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
>>> would be more difficult.
>>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>>>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>>>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>>>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>>>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>>>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>>>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>>>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>>>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>>>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
>>> Seminar.
>>>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>>>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>>>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>>>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>>>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>>> In general,
>>>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>>>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>>>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>>>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>>>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>>>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>>>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
>>> Seminar.
>>>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>>>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>>>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>>>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>>>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>>>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>>>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>>>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
>>> forum.
>>>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>>>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>>>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Vejas
>>>>> 
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sun Jan 10 02:17:47 2016
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 20:17:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Here is the direct link that will take you to the lists of fact sheets.

Enjoy

https://nfb.org/washington-seminar

On 1/9/16, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The text of the fact sheets is on the nfb.org website. There is a Washington
> Seminar link on the first page. You can go to the page with the text, then
> copy and paste them into a document. I’m sure the Word documents will be out
> in a few days.
>
> Marci
>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Marci, thank you for your perspective as a state affiliate President. Does
>> anyone know when the fact sheet will be released? the members of my local
>> chapter were wondering. Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris makes some excellent points. The only one I would add is to
>>> maintain close contact with your NFB state affiliate President and, if
>>> there is a different person who is the Legislative Director in your
>>> state, keep in touch with that person also. There may be other
>>> Federationists who are not students who can go with you to a meeting in
>>> the local district with a Congressperson. They can support you and it is
>>> always good to have a few constituents in a meeting. The congressperson
>>> then sees that it isn’t just one person who is concerned about our
>>> issues. As a state  President I encourage all members to keep in contact
>>> with their local Congressional offices; to have meetings and attend
>>> events. If there is a student who has experience trying to use
>>> inaccessible college technology or someone who has worked somewhere for
>>> subminimum wages it makes the arguments that much stronger.
>>>
>>> It’s great to have so many students engaged in our efforts!
>>>
>>> Marci Carpenter
>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mikayla:
>>>>
>>>> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
>>>> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under
>>>> their
>>>> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale
>>>> events,
>>>> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which
>>>> appears
>>>> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
>>>> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
>>>> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned
>>>> and
>>>> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in
>>>> following up
>>>> with Congressional staffers:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to
>>>> use
>>>> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal
>>>> phone
>>>> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being
>>>> deleted
>>>> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they
>>>> get
>>>> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a
>>>> personal
>>>> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may
>>>> request
>>>> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need
>>>> not
>>>> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
>>>> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state
>>>> affiliate
>>>> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the
>>>> first
>>>> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
>>>> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
>>>> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington
>>>> Seminar
>>>> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
>>>> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the
>>>> Congressmen
>>>> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington
>>>> Seminar
>>>> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate
>>>> blind
>>>> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
>>>> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often
>>>> forget
>>>> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
>>>> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
>>>> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a
>>>> meeting.
>>>> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local
>>>> offices
>>>> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
>>>> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local
>>>> staff
>>>> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage
>>>> of
>>>> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts
>>>> and
>>>> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media
>>>> guy,
>>>> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions.
>>>> All
>>>> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
>>>> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress
>>>> have
>>>> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number
>>>> of
>>>> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it.
>>>> So,
>>>> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities,
>>>> and
>>>> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do
>>>> the
>>>> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our
>>>> issues.
>>>> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct,
>>>> for
>>>> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
>>>> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of
>>>> social
>>>> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the
>>>> more
>>>> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
>>>> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the
>>>> past
>>>> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally
>>>> who
>>>> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto
>>>> these
>>>> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
>>>> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate
>>>> who is
>>>> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a
>>>> supporter
>>>> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I
>>>> asked
>>>> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I
>>>> got a
>>>> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
>>>> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
>>>> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted
>>>> me
>>>> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
>>>> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she
>>>> is
>>>> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and
>>>> ask
>>>> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
>>>> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists
>>>> so
>>>> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event,
>>>> like a
>>>> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact
>>>> with
>>>> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A
>>>> good
>>>> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social
>>>> media
>>>> or sign up for their email newsletters.
>>>>
>>>> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
>>>> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that
>>>> the
>>>> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that
>>>> we
>>>> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to
>>>> your
>>>> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here
>>>> to
>>>> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep
>>>> up
>>>> the great work!
>>>>
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla
>>>> Gephart
>>>> via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you
>>>> write
>>>> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that
>>>> how
>>>> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last
>>>> year,
>>>> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a
>>>> one
>>>> sentence response from them.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
>>>> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
>>>> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
>>>> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
>>>> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your
>>>> congressional
>>>> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy
>>>> to
>>>> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First
>>>>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners
>>>>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: Derek Manners
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
>>>> would be directly affected by the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Derek Manners
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should
>>>>>> sound and be authentic.
>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
>>>>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the
>>>>>> information in your own words?
>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington
>>>>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are
>>>>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter
>>>>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets
>>>>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact
>>>>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in
>>>>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative
>>>>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there
>>>>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow
>>>>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the
>>>>>> Congressional
>>>> district, to go through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses
>>>>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I
>>>>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always
>>>>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of
>>>>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So
>>>>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
>>>> why I was writing them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of
>>>>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person
>>>>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue
>>>>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of
>>>>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your
>>>>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of
>>>>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the
>>>>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some
>>>>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
>>>> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the
>>>>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be
>>>>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using
>>>>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I
>>>>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the
>>>>>> legislative
>>>> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more
>>>>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have
>>>>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>>>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
>>>> Congress.
>>>>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>>>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know
>>>>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have
>>>>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our
>>>>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>>>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good
>>>>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program
>>>>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person,
>>>>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't
>>>>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
>>>> would be more difficult.
>>>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you
>>>>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention
>>>>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so
>>>>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at
>>>>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events
>>>>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state
>>>>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via
>>>>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about
>>>>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with
>>>>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending
>>>>>> Washington
>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the
>>>>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact
>>>>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar,
>>>>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other
>>>>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington
>>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>> In general,
>>>>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in
>>>>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments
>>>>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for
>>>>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you
>>>>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be
>>>>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is
>>>>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during
>>>>>> Washington
>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress
>>>>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of
>>>>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but
>>>>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington
>>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for
>>>>>> students.
>>>>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year
>>>>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January,
>>>>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
>>>> forum.
>>>>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you
>>>>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>>>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and
>>>>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>
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From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 21:27:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Thank you.


> On Jan 9, 2016, at 9:17 PM, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Here is the direct link that will take you to the lists of fact sheets.
> 
> Enjoy
> 
> https://nfb.org/washington-seminar
> 
>> On 1/9/16, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The text of the fact sheets is on the nfb.org website. There is a Washington
>> Seminar link on the first page. You can go to the page with the text, then
>> copy and paste them into a document. I’m sure the Word documents will be out
>> in a few days.
>> 
>> Marci
>>> On Jan 9, 2016, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Marci, thank you for your perspective as a state affiliate President. Does
>>> anyone know when the fact sheet will be released? the members of my local
>>> chapter were wondering. Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 9:02 PM, Marci Carpenter via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris makes some excellent points. The only one I would add is to
>>>> maintain close contact with your NFB state affiliate President and, if
>>>> there is a different person who is the Legislative Director in your
>>>> state, keep in touch with that person also. There may be other
>>>> Federationists who are not students who can go with you to a meeting in
>>>> the local district with a Congressperson. They can support you and it is
>>>> always good to have a few constituents in a meeting. The congressperson
>>>> then sees that it isn’t just one person who is concerned about our
>>>> issues. As a state  President I encourage all members to keep in contact
>>>> with their local Congressional offices; to have meetings and attend
>>>> events. If there is a student who has experience trying to use
>>>> inaccessible college technology or someone who has worked somewhere for
>>>> subminimum wages it makes the arguments that much stronger.
>>>> 
>>>> It’s great to have so many students engaged in our efforts!
>>>> 
>>>> Marci Carpenter
>>>>> On Jan 2, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mikayla:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can completely relate to your frustration. Often legislators and their
>>>>> staffs appear supportive of our cause when our issues are right under
>>>>> their
>>>>> noses, such as during Washington Seminar. After those large-scale
>>>>> events,
>>>>> however, our bills simply get buried under other legislation which
>>>>> appears
>>>>> more pressing to Congressional staff. It is important, then, to remain
>>>>> vigilant in our follow-up efforts, making sure we keep our issues at the
>>>>> forefront of our legislators' minds. Here are some tricks I've learned
>>>>> and
>>>>> used over the years, which may help you find greater success in
>>>>> following up
>>>>> with Congressional staffers:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Call them. Electronic communication is great, and we students love to
>>>>> use
>>>>> it. However, I've found that nothing gets the job done like a personal
>>>>> phone
>>>>> call to legislative staff. Calling prevents your message from being
>>>>> deleted
>>>>> or ignored by staff when sifting through the thousands of emails they
>>>>> get
>>>>> from constituents every day. Also, calling allows you to begin a
>>>>> personal
>>>>> dialogue with a staffer who may have further questions or who may
>>>>> request
>>>>> further clarification. As you make these calls, remember that you need
>>>>> not
>>>>> have all the answers. It's perfectly fine to direct questions to our
>>>>> governmental affairs team at the national office or to your state
>>>>> affiliate
>>>>> leadership. As rank-and-file members, however, our job is to be the
>>>>> first
>>>>> point of contact with our legislators, educating them about the broader
>>>>> issues, then pointing them to the pros who can help them work out the
>>>>> details while still keeping the focus on our message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Request a meeting. Many times we have heard veteran Washington
>>>>> Seminar
>>>>> attendees extol the virtues of the in-person meeting. As you astutely
>>>>> observed in your message, Congressional staff (and sometimes the
>>>>> Congressmen
>>>>> themselves) appear very supportive of our cause during Washington
>>>>> Seminar
>>>>> appointments, when they have a group of knowledgeable and articulate
>>>>> blind
>>>>> people in front of them who are passionately expressing our positions.
>>>>> Despite the proven effectiveness of these meetings, I think we often
>>>>> forget
>>>>> to take advantage of this strategy when we're doing follow-up. All
>>>>> Representatives have various offices across the state they serve, and I
>>>>> would encourage you to call your local office and ask to schedule a
>>>>> meeting.
>>>>> From my experience, it seems as though Congressional staff in local
>>>>> offices
>>>>> keep in close contact with their colleagues in Washington, so you may be
>>>>> more likely to get a response from DC after you've met with a local
>>>>> staff
>>>>> person. Also, many Federationists have found it useful to take advantage
>>>>> of
>>>>> the Congressional recesses, when reps are back in their home districts
>>>>> and
>>>>> are more open to personal meetings with constituents.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3. Use social media early and often. As NABS's resident social media
>>>>> guy,
>>>>> you probably already guessed that this would be one of my suggestions.
>>>>> All
>>>>> biases aside, social media has shown itself to be the most effective
>>>>> electronic medium with which to promote a cause. Members of Congress
>>>>> have
>>>>> often explained their action on a particular issue by citing the number
>>>>> of
>>>>> tweets or Facebook posts they have received from constituents about it.
>>>>> So,
>>>>> fill up those timelines with messages about our legislative priorities,
>>>>> and
>>>>> encourage your friends (both inside and outside the Federation) to do
>>>>> the
>>>>> same. Also, be sure to use relevant hashtags when posting about our
>>>>> issues.
>>>>> If a staffer sees a series of tweets which contain #AIMHEA or #TIMEAct,
>>>>> for
>>>>> example, he/she is likely to click on the hashtag and see that a lot of
>>>>> other people are also tweeting about the same issue. In this age of
>>>>> social
>>>>> media, the more prominent an issue is on a legislator's news feeds, the
>>>>> more
>>>>> prominent it will be in his/her mind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4. Make connections. Is their a state legislator who is particularly
>>>>> supportive of our work? Have you met with a government official in the
>>>>> past
>>>>> who has been supportive of the Federation? Do you know anyone personally
>>>>> who
>>>>> may hold some influence with your member of Congress? If so, hold onto
>>>>> these
>>>>> contacts and use them when you're trying to get a response out of a
>>>>> Congressional office. For example, I personally know a state delegate
>>>>> who is
>>>>> a friend of our local Congressman. This delegate has long been a
>>>>> supporter
>>>>> of the NFB, so when I couldn't get a response from my Congressman, I
>>>>> asked
>>>>> her if she could help. Within two days of my conversation with her, I
>>>>> got a
>>>>> call from the very staffer I had been trying to reach for months with no
>>>>> success. When I asked the staffer whether she had received any of my
>>>>> previous emails or phone calls, she said she hadn't. She only contacted
>>>>> me
>>>>> when she got a call from the state delegate. Connections are powerful
>>>>> things, so use them to our advantage when you can.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5. Finally, keep track of your Congressman's event schedule. If he/she
>>>>> is
>>>>> doing a radio interview in which listeners are invited to call in and
>>>>> ask
>>>>> questions, call in and ask him/her about one of our bills. If he/she is
>>>>> doing a town hall meeting, attend it and/or alert local Federationists
>>>>> so
>>>>> they can join you. If your legislator is appearing at a public event,
>>>>> like a
>>>>> fair or parade, talk with them about our bills and establish contact
>>>>> with
>>>>> them. In short, get them whenever and wherever they avail themselves. A
>>>>> good
>>>>> way to keep track of these schedules is to follow your reps on social
>>>>> media
>>>>> or sign up for their email newsletters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope these suggestions help you in your follow-up efforts. I know this
>>>>> advocacy business can sometimes be discouraging, but I also know that
>>>>> the
>>>>> Federation has been doing it effectively for the past 75 years, and that
>>>>> we
>>>>> will keep doing it in the future. Please don't hesitate to reach out to
>>>>> your
>>>>> fellow Federationists if you need any advice or support. We're all here
>>>>> to
>>>>> help each other work toward our common goal. Thanks for all you do--keep
>>>>> up
>>>>> the great work!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla
>>>>> Gephart
>>>>> via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Cc: Mikayla Gephart
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you
>>>>> write
>>>>> to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that
>>>>> how
>>>>> you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last
>>>>> year,
>>>>> but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a
>>>>> one
>>>>> sentence response from them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
>>>>> this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
>>>>> matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
>>>>> entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
>>>>> anyone to look over your message before you send it to your
>>>>> congressional
>>>>> representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy
>>>>> to
>>>>> read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Michael Ausbun
>>>>>> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
>>>>>> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First
>>>>>> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________________
>>>>>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners
>>>>>> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Cc: Derek Manners
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
>>>>> would be directly affected by the law.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> Derek Manners
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should
>>>>>>> sound and be authentic.
>>>>>>> Justin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
>>>>>>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the
>>>>>>> information in your own words?
>>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington
>>>>>>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are
>>>>>>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter
>>>>>>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets
>>>>>>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact
>>>>>>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in
>>>>>>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative
>>>>>>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there
>>>>>>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow
>>>>>>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the
>>>>>>> Congressional
>>>>> district, to go through.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses
>>>>>>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I
>>>>>>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always
>>>>>>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of
>>>>>>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So
>>>>>>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
>>>>> why I was writing them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of
>>>>>>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person
>>>>>>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue
>>>>>>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of
>>>>>>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your
>>>>>>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of
>>>>>>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the
>>>>>>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some
>>>>>>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
>>>>> with them during Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>> So this is something else you could do to help support the
>>>>>>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be
>>>>>>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using
>>>>>>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I
>>>>>>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the
>>>>>>> legislative
>>>>> issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more
>>>>>>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have
>>>>>>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>>>>>>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
>>>>> Congress.
>>>>>>> I just have a few more questions:
>>>>>>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know
>>>>>>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have
>>>>>>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our
>>>>>>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>>>>>>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good
>>>>>>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program
>>>>>>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person,
>>>>>>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't
>>>>>>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
>>>>> would be more difficult.
>>>>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Vejas,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you
>>>>>>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention
>>>>>>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so
>>>>>>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at
>>>>>>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events
>>>>>>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state
>>>>>>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via
>>>>>>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about
>>>>>>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with
>>>>>>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending
>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the
>>>>>>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact
>>>>>>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar,
>>>>>>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other
>>>>>>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington
>>>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>>> In general,
>>>>>>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in
>>>>>>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments
>>>>>>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for
>>>>>>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you
>>>>>>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be
>>>>>>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is
>>>>>>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during
>>>>>>> Washington
>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress
>>>>>>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of
>>>>>>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but
>>>>>>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington
>>>>>>> Seminar.
>>>>>>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for
>>>>>>> students.
>>>>>>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year
>>>>>>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>>>>>>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January,
>>>>>>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
>>>>> forum.
>>>>>>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you
>>>>>>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and
>>>>>>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Vejas
>>>>>>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 04:13:19 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 23:13:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Middle English
Message-ID: <5691da93.036d810a.c032f.5504@mx.google.com>

I would recommend reading it in braille with a refreshable 
braille display or note taker.  That's what I did to learn German 
because the textbook was mixed english and german so just setting 
the computer to read one or the other wouldn't work.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Crystal Plemmons via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 18:39:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Middle English

Hi Everyone,

I am taking a class on Chaucer, and part of the class will be 
learning Middle English. Does anyone have experience with Middle 
English or reading Chaucer with JAWS? My only idea is to use the 
French language setting because Middle English is pronounced like 
the Romance languages.

I hope everyone has a wonderful semester, and I appreciate any 
advice on studying Chaucer and his contemporaries. .

Thanks,

Crystal

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 09:12:33 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 04:12:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Hi Ashley and all,


My university's library web site to search databases is completely
inaccessible with jaws and NVDA. In spite of repeatedly reporting this to
DS over the past 3.5 years it still is the same. That is the biggest issue
I have with my situation.

Usually I have to get one-on-one help from our reference desk staff to find
the articles or books I need. If it is an article that I can have emailed
to me I ask the library staffer to do that. If it is in print I take it
downstairs to the DS office for them to handle the accessibility like any
other class material. If it is a book I try to avoid it. My last big
research project that was like my major's version of a capstone required me
to use a book since I was studying a particular theorist, and I ended up
buying it in EPub form. In some ways that was nice because it was already
accessible on my notetaker and I would have probably bought the book anyway
at some point since it is not on book share and probably never will be, but
it's been a real pain dealing with books in other projects unless I am able
to find them already on book share or another related service.

On Saturday, January 9, 2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Thanks for telling me about the trick with EBSCO databases! I will have to
> look into it!
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
>
> > Hello Kennedy,
> >
> > Glad you shared your thoughts. I guess we just have to do what we can do
> > and get help with human readers.
> > Readers are great when they work well and are dependable, but I've had
> > many unreliable readers.
> > I am glad someone gets the frustration with ebsco databases. They are
> > terrible. What I learned from a good librarian though Ii s something that
> > saves me so much time. Before, I did the same search in several ebsco
> > databases. This librarian showed me how to search all ebsco databases at
> > once, or you can pick which databases you desire to search by checking
> the
> > boxes. So, once you pick the databases you want, you press a button and
> it
> > sets it to that search. Then I limit it to certain types of articles so I
> > do not get hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I wish I had
> known
> > that before.
> > I suggest that if you need many ebsco databases that you have a librarian
> > show you this trick. Press B to get to the buttons.
> >
> > My experience is also that some librarians are great, and some are not.
> > Yeah, a mixed bag of good and bvad ones.
> > It takes more skills and patience to describe what they are doing, and
> > some do not have it. They typically show students what they are doing on
> > the screen, and since I cannot see the screen, they have to verbalize it.
> >
> > I was researching Queen victoria, and needed biographical info not online
> > through databases. So, I used readers.
> > I got an extension on the project as I needed more time as my readers
> took
> > longer to find the info and they cancelled sometimes on me.
> >
> > Well, we pretty have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever have free
> > time and find an ebsco contact for accessibility, I'll write to them.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l
> > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:28 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access
> >
> >
> > Ashley,
> >
> > It honestly depends on the type of research you are doing. You are so
> right
> > about the Ebsco databases, though. They are a nightmare!
> >
> > If you're looking for scinitific journal articles, I find that Google
> > Scholar is very
> > accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz might also be an option, if
> > they have the books you need.
> >
> > I have had both good and bad experiences with librarians. And I
> deffinitely
> > agree that it's frustrating to still need readers in this day and age!
> It's
> > kind of redicubous!
> >
> > Good luck with your classes this semester!
> > Kennedy Stomberg
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >> If you have a Bookshare account, you could try looking for the book
> >> there.  If you're working on a research paper of some kind, Bookshare
> >> usually has some good books on the topic you're researching.
> >> I never used the databases in high school; do you find using them
> helpful?
> >> Vejas
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
> >> Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I’d like to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your
> >> library and the resources it has.
> >> I’ve written about my struggles before.  The gist is that many library
> >> databases have access issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard
> to
> >> open the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them
> >> with spacebar.  I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest
> are
> >> generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
> seems
> >> like most articles are image pdfs or display on the screen as images.  I
> >> kept wondering why jaws was saying graphic and the next line said page 1
> >> of
> >> 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me that the text
> must
> >> be an image; so I found the pdf link to download it.
> >> The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it.
> >>
> >> Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support from the
> >> reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and other students had to
> >> find
> >> them by call number.  I got pretty much the same support as other
> >> students.  I was on my own with access barriers.  Sometimes, I was able
> to
> >> get a library assistant to sit down with me and look at the database and
> >> then email me relevant articles.  This worked much faster than jaws.
> >>
> >> Now, to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community
> >> college, nova, while looking for work.
> >>
> >> Many Nova reference staff are great and in fact go the extra mile.  They
> >> explain well how to search databases.  Others seem to struggle how to
> >> verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the task and have the information
> >> seeker watch what they are doing
> >>
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From amieelsabo at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 19:48:36 2016
From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:48:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
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Hello Ashely and all,

As for taking quizzes I used many techniques for taking my quizzes. For the 10 minute ones my prof would email them to me and, then I would do them and, then email them back to them.  I also used the dss office if the prof wouldn't do that method. I also did a few quizzes with a assistant for a class that I took one semester. We just went out into the hall to do that.

So, I hope these ideas are helpful for you.



Hugs,
amy

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:56 PM
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Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes

Hi all,

How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc in the testing center. 

For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office, sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and we go out to the hall for the quiz.
Other times, I use the testing center.

I might take survey of american literature this semester.
Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do them orally.
I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or laptops, so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be concerned with cheating.
I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes in class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up something in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere different so others cannot see your screen?

Thanks.

Ashley
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jan 10 20:54:03 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 15:54:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphic Novels
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Hi, all,
Next simester, I have to read a graphic novel in English class. It is a world literature class, and we will be reading Persepolis. I checked Bookshare, but they do not have it. What are your experiences reading graphic novils? This will be my first time reading one. Thanks for any help.
Best,
Mikayla

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 00:04:51 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:04:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphic Novels
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Hi, Mikayla,

I had to read a graphic novel last school year for an English class on
superheroes and villains that I was taking.  The book we read was
called "The Watchman," and it is kind of a cult classic.  Thankfully,
there is a movie version of the graphic novel that I was able to use
to "read" the book.  The professor thought it was a fair accommodation
since getting a graphic novel converted into accessible formats would
have taken tons of time, even considering that this was a fall
semester class and I submitted my book requests in May.  I was able to
follow what was going on from the dialog alone pretty well, but the
professor was willing to answer any questions I had about visual
elements or to help clarify something if I missed out on information
in the pictures.  I think it will depend on how visual/descriptive
your graphic novel is, so talking with your teacher/prof would be
helpful.  There also might be a movie created of it.  I was able to
find clips for each chapter of Watchman on youtube, so that might be
worth looking into as well.

Also, wasn't there an email circulated about a site that now produces
commics for blind people?  I don't recall what it was called, but it
might be worth talking to the folks there to see if they either have
the book you need or can offer further suggestions.

HTH,
Kaiti

On 1/10/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, all,
> Next simester, I have to read a graphic novel in English class. It is a
> world literature class, and we will be reading Persepolis. I checked
> Bookshare, but they do not have it. What are your experiences reading
> graphic novils? This will be my first time reading one. Thanks for any
> help.
> Best,
> Mikayla
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 00:20:20 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:20:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
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Hi, Ashley,

Most of the time professors have been completely agreeable to letting
me take quizzes in their classes because they recognize the benefits
of having me in the class, especially since testing in the test center
would require a lot of logistical work that is unnecessary on both of
our parts.  A lot of professors just email the quizzes to me so I can
complete them and quickly send them back, but some prefer using a
flashdrive so that I get the test at the same time as everyone else,
and it cuts out possibilities for internet issues (emails not sending,
problems with the wifi, etc).

Last semester a professor was really helpful in creating a new way for
me to take tests.  She wasn't thrilled about the idea of a student
using their own computer to take her exams, but recognized that I had
the choice to take the test in her class instead of the testing center
if I wanted to and that there were benefits to that.  She got the IT
department to set up a laptop that has microsoft office and Jaws on
it, but also has the wireless card taken out.  This method has been
great because I have everything I need to take the tests in class
where I want to, and the teacher knows I have no danger of sharing her
exams (which was what she was really worried about more than the
possibility of cheating).  Why a prof set that compromise in motion
instead of disability services I don't know, but other professors of
mine have begun to embrace it as well.  It is a reasonable testing
accommodation.

Systems like having a laptop with the software you need but without a
wireless card are great because there is no possibility of cheating.
The prof hands you a flashdrive with your exam on it, and that only
has the files they put on it.  In order to cheat you'd have to have
pre-meditatively put your notes or some type of other document on
another removable device, and then somehow get that other device into
your laptop without the prof seeing you.  This is just like what
sighted students would have to do; they'd have to write things on
their hands, hide their cell phones under their desks and not look
down too much, or otherwise try to hide things and hope they don't get
caught.  And since professors are pretty observant while proctoring
tests, it would be pretty hard to cheat in either case.

I hope these systems I use are food for thought.  I have taken a few
simple aural tests when technology fails or if a prof forgot to send
something to be converted, but generally I try to use my computer and
take everything I possibly can in the class with my peers.  Math and
some science classes are really the only things I plan tests in the
testing center for, just because I really do need extra time.
Otherwise, I generally complete tests as quickly as if not sooner than
my classmates, so testing in the center just seems unnecessary.

HTH,
Kaiti

On 1/10/16, Amy Sabo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ashely and all,
>
> As for taking quizzes I used many techniques for taking my quizzes. For the
> 10 minute ones my prof would email them to me and, then I would do them and,
> then email them back to them.  I also used the dss office if the prof
> wouldn't do that method. I also did a few quizzes with a assistant for a
> class that I took one semester. We just went out into the hall to do that.
>
> So, I hope these ideas are helpful for you.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
>
> Hi all,
>
> How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
> I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc in
> the testing center.
>
> For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office,
> sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and we
> go out to the hall for the quiz.
> Other times, I use the testing center.
>
> I might take survey of american literature this semester.
> Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
> I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do
> them orally.
> I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
> I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some
> blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or laptops,
> so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be concerned with
> cheating.
> I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes in
> class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
> It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up something
> in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
> For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere
> different so others cannot see your screen?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 00:37:28 2016
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:37:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NCABS is hosting a special call to collect your equal
	access testimonials TONIGHT!!!!!
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 11 00:42:56 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:42:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
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Kaiti,

Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I am fine taking  exams at the testing center as I do need extended time and 
its quieter there.
But for quizzes, I rather do something else. I've not had many college 
classes with quizzes, so usually do not have to explore options.
You are doing what I want to do. I want the professor to give me the 
document on a flash drive and I write my answers down and save them and hand 
the flash drive back to her. I'd  not pick email because wifi can be spotty 
and that takes longer then to download a file.
I'm an honest student, but I don't know if the prof would object due to the 
cheating possibility.

Another idea is orally which my last literature professor did with me. He 
was not thrilled about using the testing center as it creates more 
logistical work for both of us, so we did them at his office. It felt more 
intimidating to take it with the professor, but he seemed nice about it and 
did not make me feel bad for wrong answers. The benefit was I  got my grade 
immediately.
I'll see what happens if I decide to take the class. We have a grace period 
of a few weeks to attend and drop classes with a refund.

Nice to know what I want to do has been done before. My memo of accomodation 
states my testing accomodations are alternate format tests in the testing 
center, but sometimes professors will let me do other things than are 
spelled out on the memo as long as it is fair to everyone and meets class 
requirements.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:20 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking quizzes

Hi, Ashley,

Most of the time professors have been completely agreeable to letting
me take quizzes in their classes because they recognize the benefits
of having me in the class, especially since testing in the test center
would require a lot of logistical work that is unnecessary on both of
our parts.  A lot of professors just email the quizzes to me so I can
complete them and quickly send them back, but some prefer using a
flashdrive so that I get the test at the same time as everyone else,
and it cuts out possibilities for internet issues (emails not sending,
problems with the wifi, etc).

Last semester a professor was really helpful in creating a new way for
me to take tests.  She wasn't thrilled about the idea of a student
using their own computer to take her exams, but recognized that I had
the choice to take the test in her class instead of the testing center
if I wanted to and that there were benefits to that.  She got the IT
department to set up a laptop that has microsoft office and Jaws on
it, but also has the wireless card taken out.  This method has been
great because I have everything I need to take the tests in class
where I want to, and the teacher knows I have no danger of sharing her
exams (which was what she was really worried about more than the
possibility of cheating).  Why a prof set that compromise in motion
instead of disability services I don't know, but other professors of
mine have begun to embrace it as well.  It is a reasonable testing
accommodation.

Systems like having a laptop with the software you need but without a
wireless card are great because there is no possibility of cheating.
The prof hands you a flashdrive with your exam on it, and that only
has the files they put on it.  In order to cheat you'd have to have
pre-meditatively put your notes or some type of other document on
another removable device, and then somehow get that other device into
your laptop without the prof seeing you.  This is just like what
sighted students would have to do; they'd have to write things on
their hands, hide their cell phones under their desks and not look
down too much, or otherwise try to hide things and hope they don't get
caught.  And since professors are pretty observant while proctoring
tests, it would be pretty hard to cheat in either case.

I hope these systems I use are food for thought.  I have taken a few
simple aural tests when technology fails or if a prof forgot to send
something to be converted, but generally I try to use my computer and
take everything I possibly can in the class with my peers.  Math and
some science classes are really the only things I plan tests in the
testing center for, just because I really do need extra time.
Otherwise, I generally complete tests as quickly as if not sooner than
my classmates, so testing in the center just seems unnecessary.

HTH,
Kaiti

On 1/10/16, Amy Sabo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ashely and all,
>
> As for taking quizzes I used many techniques for taking my quizzes. For 
> the
> 10 minute ones my prof would email them to me and, then I would do them 
> and,
> then email them back to them.  I also used the dss office if the prof
> wouldn't do that method. I also did a few quizzes with a assistant for a
> class that I took one semester. We just went out into the hall to do that.
>
> So, I hope these ideas are helpful for you.
>
>
>
> Hugs,
> amy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley 
> Bramlett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
>
> Hi all,
>
> How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
> I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc 
> in
> the testing center.
>
> For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office,
> sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and 
> we
> go out to the hall for the quiz.
> Other times, I use the testing center.
>
> I might take survey of american literature this semester.
> Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
> I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do
> them orally.
> I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
> I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some
> blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or 
> laptops,
> so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be concerned 
> with
> cheating.
> I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes 
> in
> class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
> It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up 
> something
> in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
> For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere
> different so others cannot see your screen?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 01:42:20 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 20:42:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
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Hi Ashley! For my  quizzes,  last semester on my Jewish American Literature class, I took my quiz using my  iPHone and apple  Bluetooth keyboard! My Professor will tell everyone the question aloud  or questions aloud and I will type my answers on email message using my iPhone and then I will send it to him by email at the same time as everyone gives him their papers!! And my Screen curtain was  on on my iPhoen so anyone could not see on my iPhone the answers! Hope this helps. I look forward in hearing form you soon.  Thanks and God bless!

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> On Jan 10, 2016, at 7:42 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Kaiti,
> 
> Thanks for sharing your experiences.
> I am fine taking  exams at the testing center as I do need extended time and its quieter there.
> But for quizzes, I rather do something else. I've not had many college classes with quizzes, so usually do not have to explore options.
> You are doing what I want to do. I want the professor to give me the document on a flash drive and I write my answers down and save them and hand the flash drive back to her. I'd  not pick email because wifi can be spotty and that takes longer then to download a file.
> I'm an honest student, but I don't know if the prof would object due to the cheating possibility.
> 
> Another idea is orally which my last literature professor did with me. He was not thrilled about using the testing center as it creates more logistical work for both of us, so we did them at his office. It felt more intimidating to take it with the professor, but he seemed nice about it and did not make me feel bad for wrong answers. The benefit was I  got my grade immediately.
> I'll see what happens if I decide to take the class. We have a grace period of a few weeks to attend and drop classes with a refund.
> 
> Nice to know what I want to do has been done before. My memo of accomodation states my testing accomodations are alternate format tests in the testing center, but sometimes professors will let me do other things than are spelled out on the memo as long as it is fair to everyone and meets class requirements.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
> 
> Hi, Ashley,
> 
> Most of the time professors have been completely agreeable to letting
> me take quizzes in their classes because they recognize the benefits
> of having me in the class, especially since testing in the test center
> would require a lot of logistical work that is unnecessary on both of
> our parts.  A lot of professors just email the quizzes to me so I can
> complete them and quickly send them back, but some prefer using a
> flashdrive so that I get the test at the same time as everyone else,
> and it cuts out possibilities for internet issues (emails not sending,
> problems with the wifi, etc).
> 
> Last semester a professor was really helpful in creating a new way for
> me to take tests.  She wasn't thrilled about the idea of a student
> using their own computer to take her exams, but recognized that I had
> the choice to take the test in her class instead of the testing center
> if I wanted to and that there were benefits to that.  She got the IT
> department to set up a laptop that has microsoft office and Jaws on
> it, but also has the wireless card taken out.  This method has been
> great because I have everything I need to take the tests in class
> where I want to, and the teacher knows I have no danger of sharing her
> exams (which was what she was really worried about more than the
> possibility of cheating).  Why a prof set that compromise in motion
> instead of disability services I don't know, but other professors of
> mine have begun to embrace it as well.  It is a reasonable testing
> accommodation.
> 
> Systems like having a laptop with the software you need but without a
> wireless card are great because there is no possibility of cheating.
> The prof hands you a flashdrive with your exam on it, and that only
> has the files they put on it.  In order to cheat you'd have to have
> pre-meditatively put your notes or some type of other document on
> another removable device, and then somehow get that other device into
> your laptop without the prof seeing you.  This is just like what
> sighted students would have to do; they'd have to write things on
> their hands, hide their cell phones under their desks and not look
> down too much, or otherwise try to hide things and hope they don't get
> caught.  And since professors are pretty observant while proctoring
> tests, it would be pretty hard to cheat in either case.
> 
> I hope these systems I use are food for thought.  I have taken a few
> simple aural tests when technology fails or if a prof forgot to send
> something to be converted, but generally I try to use my computer and
> take everything I possibly can in the class with my peers.  Math and
> some science classes are really the only things I plan tests in the
> testing center for, just because I really do need extra time.
> Otherwise, I generally complete tests as quickly as if not sooner than
> my classmates, so testing in the center just seems unnecessary.
> 
> HTH,
> Kaiti
> 
>> On 1/10/16, Amy Sabo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Ashely and all,
>> 
>> As for taking quizzes I used many techniques for taking my quizzes. For the
>> 10 minute ones my prof would email them to me and, then I would do them and,
>> then email them back to them.  I also used the dss office if the prof
>> wouldn't do that method. I also did a few quizzes with a assistant for a
>> class that I took one semester. We just went out into the hall to do that.
>> 
>> So, I hope these ideas are helpful for you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hugs,
>> amy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 2:56 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>> Subject: [nabs-l] taking quizzes
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> How do you take quizzes? Does it depend on the class?
>> I don’t have many classes with quizzes in college. I take tests with a pc in
>> the testing center.
>> 
>> For quizzes, I’ve done them orally with the professor at their office,
>> sometimes. I’ve sometimes had a notetaker in class and they assist me and we
>> go out to the hall for the quiz.
>> Other times, I use the testing center.
>> 
>> I might take survey of american literature this semester.
>> Her quizzes are rather short and I’d rather not use the testing center.
>> I want to do my quizzes either in class using my braille notetaker or do
>> them orally.
>> I’m wondering if you have taken them in class, and did the prof object?
>> I will talk it over with the prof and see what we can do. I know of some
>> blind students who took tests in class with their assistive tech or laptops,
>> so I hope using that will be okay. I don’t know if they’ll be concerned with
>> cheating.
>> I’m wondering how typical it is for blind students to take short quizzes in
>> class versus outside at a testing center or the dss office.
>> It just seems more practical to do it in class rather than set up something
>> in the center for something that will take 10 minutes or less.
>> For those of you taking quizzes or tests in class, do you sit somewhere
>> different so others cannot see your screen?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
> 
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> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 13:23:32 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 05:23:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Good morning, everyone,

What about when tech doesn't work? At least when 
a reader is humanoid, you are likely to get work done.
CarAt 03:46 PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your thoughts. I 
>guess we just have to do what we can do and get 
>help with human readers. Readers are great when 
>they work well and are dependable, but I've had 
>many unreliable readers. I am glad someone gets 
>the frustration with ebsco databases. They are 
>terrible. What I learned from a good librarian 
>though Ii s something that saves me so much 
>time. Before, I did the same search in several 
>ebsco databases. This librarian showed me how to 
>search all ebsco databases at once, or you can 
>pick which databases you desire to search by 
>checking the boxes. So, once you pick the 
>databases you want, you press a button and it 
>sets it to that search. Then I limit it to 
>certain types of articles so I do not get 
>hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I 
>wish I had known that before. I suggest that if 
>you need many ebsco databases that you have a 
>librarian show you this trick. Press B to get to 
>the buttons. My experience is also that some 
>librarians are great, and some are not. Yeah, a 
>mixed bag of good and bvad ones. It takes more 
>skills and patience to describe what they are 
>doing, and some do not have it. They typically 
>show students what they are doing on the screen, 
>and since I cannot see the screen, they have to 
>verbalize it. I was researching Queen victoria, 
>and needed biographical info not online through 
>databases. So, I used readers. I got an 
>extension on the project as I needed more time 
>as my readers took longer to find the info and 
>they cancelled sometimes on me. Well, we pretty 
>have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever 
>have free time and find an ebsco contact for 
>accessibility, I'll write to them. Ashley 
>-----Original Message----- From: STOMBERG, 
>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, January 09, 
>2016 5:28 PM To: National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing list Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY 
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access 
>Ashley, It honestly depends on the type of 
>research you are doing. You are so right about 
>the Ebsco databases, though. They are a 
>nightmare! If you're looking for scinitific 
>journal articles, I find that Google Scholar is 
>very accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz 
>might also be an option, if they have the books 
>you need. I have had both good and bad 
>experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely 
>agree that it's frustrating to still need 
>readers in this day and age! It's kind of 
>redicubous! Good luck with your classes this 
>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 
>at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi, > If you have a 
>Bookshare account, you could try looking for the 
>book > there.  If you're working on a research 
>paper of some kind, Bookshare > usually has some 
>good books on the topic you're researching. > I 
>never used the databases in high school; do you 
>find using them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- 
>Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett 
>via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To: "National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 
>16:22:05 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] academic 
>library access > > Hi all, > > I’d like to 
>hear about the level of support and 
>accessibility of your > library and the 
>resources it has. > I’ve written about my 
>struggles before.  The gist is that many 
>library > databases have access issues.  The 
>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to > open 
>the pull down list of options, but I think I 
>finally did open them > with spacebar.  I find 
>that databases run through Oxford and proquest 
>are > generally user friendly and 
>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems > 
>like most articles are image pdfs or display on 
>the screen as images.  I > kept wondering why 
>jaws was saying graphic and the next line said 
>page 1 > of > 5 or however many pages it was; 
>then it occurred to me that the text must > be 
>an image; so I found the pdf link to download 
>it. > The pdf was an image too, so I had to 
>convert it. > > Generally, when I was in the 
>university setting, I got support from the > 
>reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and 
>other students had to > find > them by call 
>number.  I got pretty much the same support as 
>other > students.  I was on my own with access 
>barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to > get a 
>library assistant to sit down with me and look 
>at the database and > then email me relevant 
>articles.  This worked much faster than 
>jaws. > > Now, to learn more, I’m taking 
>classes at Northern virginia community > 
>college, nova, while looking for work. > > Many 
>Nova reference staff are great and in fact go 
>the extra mile.  They > explain well how to 
>search databases.  Others seem to struggle how 
>to > verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the 
>task and have the information > seeker watch 
>what they are doing > > 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 14:26:42 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 09:26:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question.
Message-ID: <5693bbc6.0427810a.752aa.4529@mx.google.com>

Hi Maria thanks for your message.  I would ask your professor to 
send you the syllabus and their class powerpoints ahead of time.  
Having the course syllabus ahead of time will allow you to plan 
your days according to the readings for each lecture.


From jahmallovato at me.com  Tue Jan 12 02:54:59 2016
From: jahmallovato at me.com (Jahmal Lovato)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:54:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Selling a Brand new Braille Sense U2
Message-ID: <ABA47CAB-4492-4A9F-A818-5BC3CD2CE3DC@me.com>

Hello,
I have a new Braille Sense U2 that I am selling.
I am selling it because I hardly use it, and its practically brand new.
It has the english and spanish dictionary, and warranty.
It comes with original case, Executive products case, and charger.
I will also throw in upon request a flash drive or SD card of any size.
I am asking $3500, $3000, or $2500, but I can’t go any lower than that.
You can reply to this message for more information, or my phone number is 1-505-615-2118.
Thank you and God bless,
Jahmal

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 07:03:17 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 02:03:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is there any app for the iPad that allows you you to read
	books in PDF and word format, and is. Compatible with VoiceOver?
Message-ID: <07B1BE2A-13CC-4F73-A3B5-EA76CB7F7CAD@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all! The subject line say sit all! I would like to have an  app in order to be able to read my school textbooks. My books will be in accessible format for my university,and  I want to be able to read a book and highlight text as a reference in the book.  How do I highlight text as a reference in a reading? I would like to go back and forth between the references high lied text. And my book will have their pages number of the book itself.  So my plan is to find specific pages with this app. Do you know if any app that like this exist? If so, what is the name of it? And if not, what suggestion you could give me in order to be able to read with my iPad? I wil be having my BrailleNote Apex connected to my iPad in order to read my books for school, so that is why I will like to have so me kind of app. I look forward for any suggestions or help regarding this matter!  Thanks  so much and God bless!! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 08:39:34 2016
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 03:39:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Is there any app for the iPad that allows you you to
	read books in PDF and word format,
	and is. Compatible with VoiceOver?
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Voice dream reader should do exactly what you want.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 2:03 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all! The subject line say sit all! I would like to have an  app in order to be able to read my school textbooks. My books will be in accessible format for my university,and  I want to be able to read a book and highlight text as a reference in the book.  How do I highlight text as a reference in a reading? I would like to go back and forth between the references high lied text. And my book will have their pages number of the book itself.  So my plan is to find specific pages with this app. Do you know if any app that like this exist? If so, what is the name of it? And if not, what suggestion you could give me in order to be able to read with my iPad? I wil be having my BrailleNote Apex connected to my iPad in order to read my books for school, so that is why I will like to have so me kind of app. I look forward for any suggestions or help regarding this matter!  Thanks  so much and God bless!! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 16:28:00 2016
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:28:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Scholarships
Message-ID: <CACXqA0rP1qJWT01don8HSJjCfN4uhedszh4+7UOKoiXOsKqCrw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

Our holiday breaks are wrapping up, and school is coming back in to
full swing. With all of that comes applying for scholarships.

I am excited to share with you that the scholarship application is now
available in Spanish. Our organization is working hard on Spanish
outreach. You can also now find the Presidential Release in Spanish.
Here is the link to the Spanish info.
http://www.nfbpr.org/programa-de-becas-del-2016.html

Here is the link to the application in English as well.
https://nfb.org/scholarships

The application deadline is March 31st. Be sure to get your
application in as soon as you can. Be sure to share this info with
other blind students, teachers, rehab counselors, etc.

Thanks
Bre Brown

Second Vice president, National Association of Blind Students


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 17:41:14 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:41:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Hi, Carly and all,

Of course the choice to use technology or work with another person is
a personal choice, but in my experience technology works a good 80% of
the time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF files from the
library are not innately accessible).  IN that case, what I do as
stated before is get human intervention in the form of my disability
services converting the files to a readable format for my
computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there for, after all.

I have used readers before, but I think I'd dread using them on
something as extensive as a research project where multiple, long
articles or books need to be read.  It is essential, I think, to have
a copy of the printed material at your disposal so you can see how
statements are punctuated and how exactly the author worded them when
citing in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw your own
conclusions without some other person unintentionally adding their
interpretation into their reading or screwing up the reading because
they're not familiar with the subject you are studying.

Lastly, I usually avoid readers because I hate the idea of being
beholden to someone else's schedule to get my work done.  I'm not
above asking for help and have used readers in the past for short
projects, but to do something like extensive research reading like a
thesis or senior capstone project like I did last semester would be
crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free time because the project
was so large, including late at night and over the weekends when a
human reader probably wouldn't have been available because of their
own life commitments.

Also, even in cases when personal technology goes down, there should
be a few different places one could go to have computer access.
Colleges are supposed to be required by ADA law to have an accessible
computer in a library for public accommodation, and if not I've used a
computer in the testing center before when nothing else was working.
Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop went down they'd have
plenty of other computers to use to get their work done, so as blind
students if our work goes down having access to a computer at least
somewhere on campus is a reasonable accommodation.


On 1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, everyone,
>
> What about when tech doesn't work? At least when
> a reader is humanoid, you are likely to get work done.
> CarAt 03:46 PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your thoughts. I
>>guess we just have to do what we can do and get
>>help with human readers. Readers are great when
>>they work well and are dependable, but I've had
>>many unreliable readers. I am glad someone gets
>>the frustration with ebsco databases. They are
>>terrible. What I learned from a good librarian
>>though Ii s something that saves me so much
>>time. Before, I did the same search in several
>>ebsco databases. This librarian showed me how to
>>search all ebsco databases at once, or you can
>>pick which databases you desire to search by
>>checking the boxes. So, once you pick the
>>databases you want, you press a button and it
>>sets it to that search. Then I limit it to
>>certain types of articles so I do not get
>>hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I
>>wish I had known that before. I suggest that if
>>you need many ebsco databases that you have a
>>librarian show you this trick. Press B to get to
>>the buttons. My experience is also that some
>>librarians are great, and some are not. Yeah, a
>>mixed bag of good and bvad ones. It takes more
>>skills and patience to describe what they are
>>doing, and some do not have it. They typically
>>show students what they are doing on the screen,
>>and since I cannot see the screen, they have to
>>verbalize it. I was researching Queen victoria,
>>and needed biographical info not online through
>>databases. So, I used readers. I got an
>>extension on the project as I needed more time
>>as my readers took longer to find the info and
>>they cancelled sometimes on me. Well, we pretty
>>have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever
>>have free time and find an ebsco contact for
>>accessibility, I'll write to them. Ashley
>>-----Original Message----- From: STOMBERG,
>>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, January 09,
>>2016 5:28 PM To: National Association of Blind
>>Students mailing list Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access
>>Ashley, It honestly depends on the type of
>>research you are doing. You are so right about
>>the Ebsco databases, though. They are a
>>nightmare! If you're looking for scinitific
>>journal articles, I find that Google Scholar is
>>very accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz
>>might also be an option, if they have the books
>>you need. I have had both good and bad
>>experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely
>>agree that it's frustrating to still need
>>readers in this day and age! It's kind of
>>redicubous! Good luck with your classes this
>>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On Sat, Jan 9, 2016
>>at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi, > If you have a
>>Bookshare account, you could try looking for the
>>book > there.  If you're working on a research
>>paper of some kind, Bookshare > usually has some
>>good books on the topic you're researching. > I
>>never used the databases in high school; do you
>>find using them helpful? > Vejas > > > > -----
>>Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett
>>via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To: "National
>>Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016
>>16:22:05 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] academic
>>library access > > Hi all, > > I’d like to
>>hear about the level of support and
>>accessibility of your > library and the
>>resources it has. > I’ve written about my
>>struggles before.  The gist is that many
>>library > databases have access issues.  The
>>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to > open
>>the pull down list of options, but I think I
>>finally did open them > with spacebar.  I find
>>that databases run through Oxford and proquest
>>are > generally user friendly and
>>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems >
>>like most articles are image pdfs or display on
>>the screen as images.  I > kept wondering why
>>jaws was saying graphic and the next line said
>>page 1 > of > 5 or however many pages it was;
>>then it occurred to me that the text must > be
>>an image; so I found the pdf link to download
>>it. > The pdf was an image too, so I had to
>>convert it. > > Generally, when I was in the
>>university setting, I got support from the >
>>reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and
>>other students had to > find > them by call
>>number.  I got pretty much the same support as
>>other > students.  I was on my own with access
>>barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to > get a
>>library assistant to sit down with me and look
>>at the database and > then email me relevant
>>articles.  This worked much faster than
>>jaws. > > Now, to learn more, I’m taking
>>classes at Northern virginia community >
>>college, nova, while looking for work. > > Many
>>Nova reference staff are great and in fact go
>>the extra mile.  They > explain well how to
>>search databases.  Others seem to struggle how
>>to > verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the
>>task and have the information > seeker watch
>>what they are doing > >
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Jan 12 22:57:24 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 16:57:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Kaiti,

You bring up a very good point! I am the  only blind student at my college,
and the first blind student there in twenty years, not to mention the
firststudent who relies comletely on Braille.
As a result, my campus has no computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
asside from my own personal laptop. This means that if something happened
with my technology, I would have to rely solely on a human reader.

However, I do try to avoid human readers if I can, that way I am only bound
by my own schedule.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, Carly and all,
>
> Of course the choice to use technology or work with another person is
> a personal choice, but in my experience technology works a good 80% of
> the time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF files from the
> library are not innately accessible).  IN that case, what I do as
> stated before is get human intervention in the form of my disability
> services converting the files to a readable format for my
> computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there for, after all.
>
> I have used readers before, but I think I'd dread using them on
> something as extensive as a research project where multiple, long
> articles or books need to be read.  It is essential, I think, to have
> a copy of the printed material at your disposal so you can see how
> statements are punctuated and how exactly the author worded them when
> citing in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw your own
> conclusions without some other person unintentionally adding their
> interpretation into their reading or screwing up the reading because
> they're not familiar with the subject you are studying.
>
> Lastly, I usually avoid readers because I hate the idea of being
> beholden to someone else's schedule to get my work done.  I'm not
> above asking for help and have used readers in the past for short
> projects, but to do something like extensive research reading like a
> thesis or senior capstone project like I did last semester would be
> crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free time because the project
> was so large, including late at night and over the weekends when a
> human reader probably wouldn't have been available because of their
> own life commitments.
>
> Also, even in cases when personal technology goes down, there should
> be a few different places one could go to have computer access.
> Colleges are supposed to be required by ADA law to have an accessible
> computer in a library for public accommodation, and if not I've used a
> computer in the testing center before when nothing else was working.
> Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop went down they'd have
> plenty of other computers to use to get their work done, so as blind
> students if our work goes down having access to a computer at least
> somewhere on campus is a reasonable accommodation.
>
>
> On 1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Good morning, everyone,
> >
> > What about when tech doesn't work? At least when
> > a reader is humanoid, you are likely to get work done.
> > CarAt 03:46 PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your thoughts. I
> >>guess we just have to do what we can do and get
> >>help with human readers. Readers are great when
> >>they work well and are dependable, but I've had
> >>many unreliable readers. I am glad someone gets
> >>the frustration with ebsco databases. They are
> >>terrible. What I learned from a good librarian
> >>though Ii s something that saves me so much
> >>time. Before, I did the same search in several
> >>ebsco databases. This librarian showed me how to
> >>search all ebsco databases at once, or you can
> >>pick which databases you desire to search by
> >>checking the boxes. So, once you pick the
> >>databases you want, you press a button and it
> >>sets it to that search. Then I limit it to
> >>certain types of articles so I do not get
> >>hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I
> >>wish I had known that before. I suggest that if
> >>you need many ebsco databases that you have a
> >>librarian show you this trick. Press B to get to
> >>the buttons. My experience is also that some
> >>librarians are great, and some are not. Yeah, a
> >>mixed bag of good and bvad ones. It takes more
> >>skills and patience to describe what they are
> >>doing, and some do not have it. They typically
> >>show students what they are doing on the screen,
> >>and since I cannot see the screen, they have to
> >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen victoria,
> >>and needed biographical info not online through
> >>databases. So, I used readers. I got an
> >>extension on the project as I needed more time
> >>as my readers took longer to find the info and
> >>they cancelled sometimes on me. Well, we pretty
> >>have much the same experiences. Man, if I ever
> >>have free time and find an ebsco contact for
> >>accessibility, I'll write to them. Ashley
> >>-----Original Message----- From: STOMBERG,
> >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, January 09,
> >>2016 5:28 PM To: National Association of Blind
> >>Students mailing list Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY
> >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access
> >>Ashley, It honestly depends on the type of
> >>research you are doing. You are so right about
> >>the Ebsco databases, though. They are a
> >>nightmare! If you're looking for scinitific
> >>journal articles, I find that Google Scholar is
> >>very accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz
> >>might also be an option, if they have the books
> >>you need. I have had both good and bad
> >>experiences with librarians. And I deffinitely
> >>agree that it's frustrating to still need
> >>readers in this day and age! It's kind of
> >>redicubous! Good luck with your classes this
> >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On Sat, Jan 9, 2016
> >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi, > If you have a
> >>Bookshare account, you could try looking for the
> >>book > there.  If you're working on a research
> >>paper of some kind, Bookshare > usually has some
> >>good books on the topic you're researching. > I
> >>never used the databases in high school; do you
> >>find using them helpful? > Vejas > > > > -----
> >>Original Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett
> >>via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To: "National
> >>Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >
> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016
> >>16:22:05 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] academic
> >>library access > > Hi all, > > I’d like to
> >>hear about the level of support and
> >>accessibility of your > library and the
> >>resources it has. > I’ve written about my
> >>struggles before.  The gist is that many
> >>library > databases have access issues.  The
> >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard to > open
> >>the pull down list of options, but I think I
> >>finally did open them > with spacebar.  I find
> >>that databases run through Oxford and proquest
> >>are > generally user friendly and
> >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but seems >
> >>like most articles are image pdfs or display on
> >>the screen as images.  I > kept wondering why
> >>jaws was saying graphic and the next line said
> >>page 1 > of > 5 or however many pages it was;
> >>then it occurred to me that the text must > be
> >>an image; so I found the pdf link to download
> >>it. > The pdf was an image too, so I had to
> >>convert it. > > Generally, when I was in the
> >>university setting, I got support from the >
> >>reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and
> >>other students had to > find > them by call
> >>number.  I got pretty much the same support as
> >>other > students.  I was on my own with access
> >>barriers.  Sometimes, I was able to > get a
> >>library assistant to sit down with me and look
> >>at the database and > then email me relevant
> >>articles.  This worked much faster than
> >>jaws. > > Now, to learn more, I’m taking
> >>classes at Northern virginia community >
> >>college, nova, while looking for work. > > Many
> >>Nova reference staff are great and in fact go
> >>the extra mile.  They > explain well how to
> >>search databases.  Others seem to struggle how
> >>to > verbalize things.  Normally, they demo the
> >>task and have the information > seeker watch
> >>what they are doing > >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Jan 12 23:29:31 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 15:29:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
  Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of 
the idea of accessing the illusive printed word 
and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently 
prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with 
enough hammering out, two people can find 
schedules that give. However, if your technpology 
chooses not to be functional for what you need to 
get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting 
work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say, 
use everything you have at your disposal, nothing 
works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps, 
Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya think?
Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am 
>the  only blind student at my college, and the 
>first blind student there in twenty years, not 
>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely 
>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no 
>computers with JAWS or other screen readers, 
>asside from my own personal laptop. This means 
>that if something happened with my technology, I 
>would have to rely solely on a human reader. 
>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I 
>can, that way I am only bound by my own 
>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM, 
>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the 
>choice to use technology or work with another 
>person is > a personal choice, but in my 
>experience technology works a good 80% of > the 
>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF 
>files from the > library are not innately 
>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as > 
>stated before is get human intervention in the 
>form of my disability > services converting the 
>files to a readable format for my > 
>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there 
>for, after all. > > I have used readers before, 
>but I think I'd dread using them on > something 
>as extensive as a research project where 
>multiple, long > articles or books need to be 
>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a 
>copy of the printed material at your disposal so 
>you can see how > statements are punctuated and 
>how exactly the author worded them when > citing 
>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw 
>your own > conclusions without some other person 
>unintentionally adding their > interpretation 
>into their reading or screwing up the reading 
>because > they're not familiar with the subject 
>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid 
>readers because I hate the idea of being > 
>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my 
>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and 
>have used readers in the past for short > 
>projects, but to do something like extensive 
>research reading like a > thesis or senior 
>capstone project like I did last semester would 
>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free 
>time because the project > was so large, 
>including late at night and over the weekends 
>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have 
>been available because of their > own life 
>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when 
>personal technology goes down, there should > be 
>a few different places one could go to have 
>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be 
>required by ADA law to have an accessible > 
>computer in a library for public accommodation, 
>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing 
>center before when nothing else was working. > 
>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop 
>went down they'd have > plenty of other 
>computers to use to get their work done, so as 
>blind > students if our work goes down having 
>access to a computer at least > somewhere on 
>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On 
>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning, 
>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't 
>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid, 
>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46 
>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your 
>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we 
>can do and get > >>help with human readers. 
>Readers are great when > >>they work well and 
>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable 
>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the 
>frustration with ebsco databases. They 
>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good 
>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves 
>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same 
>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This 
>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco 
>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which 
>databases you desire to search by > >>checking 
>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases 
>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it 
>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain 
>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds 
>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish 
>I had known that before. I suggest that 
>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you 
>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press 
>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is 
>also that some > >>librarians are great, and 
>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and 
>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience 
>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do 
>not have it. They typically > >>show students 
>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since 
>I cannot see the screen, they have 
>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen 
>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not 
>online through > >>databases. So, I used 
>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project 
>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took 
>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled 
>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much 
>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have 
>free time and find an ebsco contact 
>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them. 
>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From: 
>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list 
>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly 
>depends on the type of > >>research you are 
>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco 
>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If 
>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal 
>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very 
>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might 
>also be an option, if they have the 
>books > >>you need. I have had both good and 
>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I 
>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to 
>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's 
>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your 
>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On 
>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas 
>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare 
>account, you could try looking for 
>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a 
>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare > 
>usually has some > >>good books on the topic 
>you're researching. > I > >>never used the 
>databases in high school; do you > >>find using 
>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original 
>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To: 
>"National > >>Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date 
>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 > 
>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library 
>access > > Hi all, > > I’d like to > >>hear 
>ar about the level of support 
>and > >>accessibility of your > library and 
>the > >>resources it has. > I’ve writritten 
>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that 
>many > >>library > databases have access 
>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its 
>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of 
>options, but I think I > >>finally did open 
>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases 
>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are > 
>generally user friendly 
>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but 
>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or 
>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept 
>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and 
>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or 
>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred 
>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I 
>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf 
>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert 
>it. > > Generally, when I was in 
>the > >>university setting, I got support from 
>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books 
>for me and > >>other students had to > find > 
>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the 
>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on 
>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I 
>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit 
>down with me and look > >>at the database and > 
>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This 
>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to 
>learn more, I’m taking > >>classes at at 
>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova, 
>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova 
>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the 
>extra mile.  They > explain well how 
>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to 
>struggle how > >>to > verbalize 
>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and 
>have the information > seeker watch > >>what 
>they are 
>doing > > > >>___________________________________ 
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>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present > 
>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind 
>Performing Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You 
>can live the life you want; blindness is not 
>what holds you back!" > > 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:35:20 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:35:20 -0500
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Carly,

No one was "fixating" on anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions
and several of us were throwing out what we do to accomplish the
things she asked about.  No one said using human readers was not an
option, but having access to the actual article itself in some
electronic form has its benefits, and for some students scheduling
every little research session out with a human reader would be a huge
undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No one was saying
technology is the only way to go, but it certainly has benefits and
makes things easier, which was precisely what it is supposed to do if
I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use human readers over technology
then that is your choice, and everyone has the right to like what
suits them best.

On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
>   Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of
> the idea of accessing the illusive printed word
> and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently
> prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with
> enough hammering out, two people can find
> schedules that give. However, if your technpology
> chooses not to be functional for what you need to
> get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting
> work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say,
> use everything you have at your disposal, nothing
> works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps,
> Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya
> think?
> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am
>>the  only blind student at my college, and the
>>first blind student there in twenty years, not
>>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely
>>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no
>>computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
>>asside from my own personal laptop. This means
>>that if something happened with my technology, I
>>would have to rely solely on a human reader.
>>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I
>>can, that way I am only bound by my own
>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM,
>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the
>>choice to use technology or work with another
>>person is > a personal choice, but in my
>>experience technology works a good 80% of > the
>>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF
>>files from the > library are not innately
>>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as >
>>stated before is get human intervention in the
>>form of my disability > services converting the
>>files to a readable format for my >
>>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there
>>for, after all. > > I have used readers before,
>>but I think I'd dread using them on > something
>>as extensive as a research project where
>>multiple, long > articles or books need to be
>>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a
>>copy of the printed material at your disposal so
>>you can see how > statements are punctuated and
>>how exactly the author worded them when > citing
>>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw
>>your own > conclusions without some other person
>>unintentionally adding their > interpretation
>>into their reading or screwing up the reading
>>because > they're not familiar with the subject
>>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid
>>readers because I hate the idea of being >
>>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my
>>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and
>>have used readers in the past for short >
>>projects, but to do something like extensive
>>research reading like a > thesis or senior
>>capstone project like I did last semester would
>>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free
>>time because the project > was so large,
>>including late at night and over the weekends
>>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have
>>been available because of their > own life
>>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when
>>personal technology goes down, there should > be
>>a few different places one could go to have
>>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be
>>required by ADA law to have an accessible >
>>computer in a library for public accommodation,
>>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing
>>center before when nothing else was working. >
>>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop
>>went down they'd have > plenty of other
>>computers to use to get their work done, so as
>>blind > students if our work goes down having
>>access to a computer at least > somewhere on
>>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On
>>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning,
>>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't
>>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid,
>>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46
>>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your
>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we
>>can do and get > >>help with human readers.
>>Readers are great when > >>they work well and
>>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable
>>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the
>>frustration with ebsco databases. They
>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good
>>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves
>>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same
>>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This
>>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco
>>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which
>>databases you desire to search by > >>checking
>>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases
>>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it
>>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain
>>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds
>>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish
>>I had known that before. I suggest that
>>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you
>>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press
>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is
>>also that some > >>librarians are great, and
>>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and
>>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience
>>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do
>>not have it. They typically > >>show students
>>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since
>>I cannot see the screen, they have
>>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen
>>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not
>>online through > >>databases. So, I used
>>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project
>>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took
>>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled
>>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much
>>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have
>>free time and find an ebsco contact
>>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them.
>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From:
>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National
>>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list
>>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly
>>depends on the type of > >>research you are
>>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco
>>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If
>>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal
>>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very
>>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might
>>also be an option, if they have the
>>books > >>you need. I have had both good and
>>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I
>>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to
>>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's
>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your
>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On
>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas
>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare
>>account, you could try looking for
>>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a
>>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare >
>>usually has some > >>good books on the topic
>>you're researching. > I > >>never used the
>>databases in high school; do you > >>find using
>>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original
>>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via
>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To:
>>"National > >>Association of Blind Students
>>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date
>>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 >
>>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library
>>access > > Hi all, > > I̢۪d like to > >>hear
>>ar about the level of support
>>and > >>accessibility of your > library and
>>the > >>resources it has. > I̢۪ve writritten
>>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that
>>many > >>library > databases have access
>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its
>>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of
>>options, but I think I > >>finally did open
>>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases
>>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are >
>>generally user friendly
>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
>>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or
>>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept
>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and
>>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or
>>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred
>>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I
>>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf
>>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert
>>it. > > Generally, when I was in
>>the > >>university setting, I got support from
>>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books
>>for me and > >>other students had to > find >
>>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the
>>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on
>>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I
>>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit
>>down with me and look > >>at the database and >
>>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This
>>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to
>>learn more, I̢۪m taking > >>classes at at
>>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova,
>>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova
>>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the
>>extra mile.  They > explain well how
>>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to
>>struggle how > >>to > verbalize
>>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and
>>have the information > seeker watch > >>what
>>they are
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:42:35 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:42:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Hi, Kennedy,

I just within the past year learned that the library at my college had
a computer with jaws on it.  Apparently the DS office forgot to tell
me where it was, but it had been there all along in compliance with
ADA regulations, and it was nice to have it when my computer was
completely down for the count.  It might be worth talking to your
disability coordinator about.  I'm not sure how far along you are in
your education there, but unless you're close to finishing up having
the conversation about computer access options might not be a bad
idea.

It should be noted that, at the very least, they should put NVDA or
something on a computer and keep it there.  NVDA is free and you can
get an eloquence driver for it.  I believe that Window Eyes, which is
also free, has a Jaws imitation mode.  There shouldn't be any excuse
for them to do nothing.  Hopefully, if you choose to have the
conversation, it would be a productive brainstorming session about a
detail they just somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while to
implement it might be there for the next blind student who might want
to study at your university.

I'd be interested to find out from the other blind student I know of
on my campus if they also have zoom text on that library for her since
she does not use braille proficiently yet, but it could be useful to
explore what universities are required to load onto library computers
in ADA compliance.

On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carly,
>
> No one was "fixating" on anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions
> and several of us were throwing out what we do to accomplish the
> things she asked about.  No one said using human readers was not an
> option, but having access to the actual article itself in some
> electronic form has its benefits, and for some students scheduling
> every little research session out with a human reader would be a huge
> undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No one was saying
> technology is the only way to go, but it certainly has benefits and
> makes things easier, which was precisely what it is supposed to do if
> I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use human readers over technology
> then that is your choice, and everyone has the right to like what
> suits them best.
>
> On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
>>   Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of
>> the idea of accessing the illusive printed word
>> and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently
>> prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with
>> enough hammering out, two people can find
>> schedules that give. However, if your technpology
>> chooses not to be functional for what you need to
>> get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting
>> work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say,
>> use everything you have at your disposal, nothing
>> works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps,
>> Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya
>> think?
>> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>>>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am
>>>the  only blind student at my college, and the
>>>first blind student there in twenty years, not
>>>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely
>>>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no
>>>computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
>>>asside from my own personal laptop. This means
>>>that if something happened with my technology, I
>>>would have to rely solely on a human reader.
>>>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I
>>>can, that way I am only bound by my own
>>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM,
>>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the
>>>choice to use technology or work with another
>>>person is > a personal choice, but in my
>>>experience technology works a good 80% of > the
>>>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF
>>>files from the > library are not innately
>>>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as >
>>>stated before is get human intervention in the
>>>form of my disability > services converting the
>>>files to a readable format for my >
>>>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there
>>>for, after all. > > I have used readers before,
>>>but I think I'd dread using them on > something
>>>as extensive as a research project where
>>>multiple, long > articles or books need to be
>>>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a
>>>copy of the printed material at your disposal so
>>>you can see how > statements are punctuated and
>>>how exactly the author worded them when > citing
>>>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw
>>>your own > conclusions without some other person
>>>unintentionally adding their > interpretation
>>>into their reading or screwing up the reading
>>>because > they're not familiar with the subject
>>>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid
>>>readers because I hate the idea of being >
>>>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my
>>>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and
>>>have used readers in the past for short >
>>>projects, but to do something like extensive
>>>research reading like a > thesis or senior
>>>capstone project like I did last semester would
>>>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free
>>>time because the project > was so large,
>>>including late at night and over the weekends
>>>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have
>>>been available because of their > own life
>>>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when
>>>personal technology goes down, there should > be
>>>a few different places one could go to have
>>>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be
>>>required by ADA law to have an accessible >
>>>computer in a library for public accommodation,
>>>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing
>>>center before when nothing else was working. >
>>>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop
>>>went down they'd have > plenty of other
>>>computers to use to get their work done, so as
>>>blind > students if our work goes down having
>>>access to a computer at least > somewhere on
>>>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On
>>>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning,
>>>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't
>>>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid,
>>>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46
>>>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your
>>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we
>>>can do and get > >>help with human readers.
>>>Readers are great when > >>they work well and
>>>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable
>>>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the
>>>frustration with ebsco databases. They
>>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good
>>>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves
>>>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same
>>>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This
>>>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco
>>>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which
>>>databases you desire to search by > >>checking
>>>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases
>>>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it
>>>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain
>>>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds
>>>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish
>>>I had known that before. I suggest that
>>>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you
>>>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press
>>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is
>>>also that some > >>librarians are great, and
>>>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and
>>>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience
>>>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do
>>>not have it. They typically > >>show students
>>>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since
>>>I cannot see the screen, they have
>>>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen
>>>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not
>>>online through > >>databases. So, I used
>>>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project
>>>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took
>>>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled
>>>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much
>>>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have
>>>free time and find an ebsco contact
>>>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them.
>>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From:
>>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
>>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National
>>>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list
>>>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly
>>>depends on the type of > >>research you are
>>>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco
>>>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If
>>>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal
>>>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very
>>>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might
>>>also be an option, if they have the
>>>books > >>you need. I have had both good and
>>>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I
>>>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to
>>>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's
>>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your
>>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On
>>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas
>>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare
>>>account, you could try looking for
>>>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a
>>>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare >
>>>usually has some > >>good books on the topic
>>>you're researching. > I > >>never used the
>>>databases in high school; do you > >>find using
>>>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original
>>>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via
>>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To:
>>>"National > >>Association of Blind Students
>>>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date
>>>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 >
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library
>>>access > > Hi all, > > I̢۪d like to > >>hear
>>>ar about the level of support
>>>and > >>accessibility of your > library and
>>>the > >>resources it has. > I̢۪ve writritten
>>>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that
>>>many > >>library > databases have access
>>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its
>>>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of
>>>options, but I think I > >>finally did open
>>>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases
>>>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are >
>>>generally user friendly
>>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
>>>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or
>>>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept
>>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and
>>>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or
>>>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred
>>>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I
>>>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf
>>>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert
>>>it. > > Generally, when I was in
>>>the > >>university setting, I got support from
>>>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books
>>>for me and > >>other students had to > find >
>>>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the
>>>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on
>>>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I
>>>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit
>>>down with me and look > >>at the database and >
>>>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This
>>>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to
>>>learn more, I̢۪m taking > >>classes at at
>>>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova,
>>>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova
>>>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the
>>>extra mile.  They > explain well how
>>>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to
>>>struggle how > >>to > verbalize
>>>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and
>>>have the information > seeker watch > >>what
>>>they are
>>>doing > > > >>___________________________________
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>>>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >
>>>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind
>>>Performing Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You
>>>can live the life you want; blindness is not
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 01:47:50 2016
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:47:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Request for blindness items donations
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Hello all,

Happy New Year! I am writing to request donations for a school for the
blind in Vietnam, where I am from originally. My mom will be going
back to Vietnam at the end of March, and she is visiting the school
for the blind that I attended when I lost my vision at the age of 7.
It's a school for the blind, but it doubles as an orphanage since a
lot of blind children in the country are abandoned by parents and
relatives. A group of Catholic nuns run the school, and they solely
rely on donations from visitors to give the students an education.

Here is my request: If you have old canes (doesn't matter how old or
battered), slates and styluses, talking/braille watches, or any small
blindness related items that you no longer use, I would love to take
them off of your hands. My mom can bring these items back with her and
donate them to the school. They will appreciate any contributions,
regardless of its condition. Feel free to email me if you have any
questions or concerns; thank you so much for your assistance in
advance.

Best,
Minh



-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Wed Jan 13 02:02:23 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:02:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
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Good evening,

My college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity is taking a trip over Spring
Break to help build homes in West Virginia. I was recently approached by
the president of our chapter. She mentioned that the construction managers
might not want me to be
presentat the place where the home is being constructed for safety reasons,
and because I could potentially make a mistake that could seriously damage
the home. I have very limited experience  working in construction.

So my question is, Is there anyone out there who has worked at construction
sites, or has built homes with Habitat for humanity? How were you able to
contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you have to overcome? Please
feel free to e-mail me on or off-list.

Thank you!
Kennedy Stomberg

From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 02:09:12 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:09:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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So, what's wrong with getting help to access website materials?
Isn't that why they made sighted people?
Don't mean snark of any kind!
CarAt 01:12 AM 1/10/2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Ashley and all, My university's library web 
>site to search databases is completely 
>inaccessible with jaws and NVDA. In spite of 
>repeatedly reporting this to DS over the past 
>3.5 years it still is the same. That is the 
>biggest issue I have with my situation. Usually 
>I have to get one-on-one help from our reference 
>desk staff to find the articles or books I need. 
>If it is an article that I can have emailed to 
>me I ask the library staffer to do that. If it 
>is in print I take it downstairs to the DS 
>office for them to handle the accessibility like 
>any other class material. If it is a book I try 
>to avoid it. My last big research project that 
>was like my major's version of a capstone 
>required me to use a book since I was studying a 
>particular theorist, and I ended up buying it in 
>EPub form. In some ways that was nice because it 
>was already accessible on my notetaker and I 
>would have probably bought the book anyway at 
>some point since it is not on book share and 
>probably never will be, but it's been a real 
>pain dealing with books in other projects unless 
>I am able to find them already on book share or 
>another related service. On Saturday, January 9, 
>2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l < 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Thanks for telling 
>me about the trick with EBSCO databases! I will 
>have to > look into it! > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 
>at 5:46 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l < > 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > 
>Hello Kennedy, > > > > Glad you shared your 
>thoughts. I guess we just have to do what we can 
>do > > and get help with human readers. > > 
>Readers are great when they work well and are 
>dependable, but I've had > > many unreliable 
>readers. > > I am glad someone gets the 
>frustration with ebsco databases. They are > > 
>terrible. What I learned from a good librarian 
>though Ii s something that > > saves me so much 
>time. Before, I did the same search in several 
>ebsco > > databases. This librarian showed me 
>how to search all ebsco databases at > > once, 
>or you can pick which databases you desire to 
>search by checking > the > > boxes. So, once you 
>pick the databases you want, you press a button 
>and > it > > sets it to that search. Then I 
>limit it to certain types of articles so I > > 
>do not get hundreds of book reviews. It works 
>great, and I wish I had > known > > that 
>before. > > I suggest that if you need many 
>ebsco databases that you have a librarian > > 
>show you this trick. Press B to get to the 
>buttons. > > > > My experience is also that some 
>librarians are great, and some are not. > > 
>Yeah, a mixed bag of good and bvad ones. > > It 
>takes more skills and patience to describe what 
>they are doing, and > > some do not have it. 
>They typically show students what they are doing 
>on > > the screen, and since I cannot see the 
>screen, they have to verbalize it. > > > > I was 
>researching Queen victoria, and needed 
>biographical info not online > > through 
>databases. So, I used readers. > > I got an 
>extension on the project as I needed more time 
>as my readers > took > > longer to find the info 
>and they cancelled sometimes on me. > > > > 
>Well, we pretty have much the same experiences. 
>Man, if I ever have free > > time and find an 
>ebsco contact for accessibility, I'll write to 
>them. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original 
>Message----- From: STOMBERG, KENNEDY via 
>nabs-l > > Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:28 
>PM > > To: National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing list > > Cc: STOMBERG, 
>KENNEDY > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic 
>library access > > > > > > Ashley, > > > > It 
>honestly depends on the type of research you are 
>doing. You are so > right > > about the Ebsco 
>databases, though. They are a nightmare! > > > > 
>If you're looking for scinitific journal 
>articles, I find that Google > > Scholar is 
>very > > accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz 
>might also be an option, if > > they have the 
>books you need. > > > > I have had both good and 
>bad experiences with librarians. And I > 
>deffinitely > > agree that it's frustrating to 
>still need readers in this day and age! > 
>It's > > kind of redicubous! > > > > Good luck 
>with your classes this semester! > > Kennedy 
>Stomberg > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, 
>Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > > 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > 
>Hi, > >> If you have a Bookshare account, you 
>could try looking for the book > >> there.  If 
>you're working on a research paper of some kind, 
>Bookshare > >> usually has some good books on 
>the topic you're researching. > >> I never used 
>the databases in high school; do you find using 
>them > helpful? > >> Vejas > >> > >> > >> > >> 
>----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Ashley 
>Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
><javascript:;> > >> To: "National Association of 
>Blind Students mailing list" < > >> 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;> > >> Date sent: 
>Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500 > >> Subject: 
>[nabs-l] academic library access > >> > >> Hi 
>all, > >> > >> I’d like to hear about the 
>level of support and accessibility of your > >> 
>library and the resources it has. > >> I’ve 
>written about my struggles before.  The gist is 
>that many library > >> databases have access 
>issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its 
>hard > to > >> open the pull down list of 
>options, but I think I finally did open 
>them > >> with spacebar.  I find that databases 
>run through Oxford and proquest > are > >> 
>generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor 
>is fairly decent, but > seems > >> like most 
>articles are image pdfs or display on the screen 
>as images.  I > >> kept wondering why jaws was 
>saying graphic and the next line said page 
>1 > >> of > >> 5 or however many pages it was; 
>then it occurred to me that the text > must > >> 
>be an image; so I found the pdf link to download 
>it. > >> The pdf was an image too, so I had to 
>convert it. > >> > >> Generally, when I was in 
>the university setting, I got support from 
>the > >> reference desk.  They retrieved books 
>for me and other students had to > >> find > >> 
>them by call number.  I got pretty much the same 
>support as other > >> students.  I was on my own 
>with access barriers.  Sometimes, I was able > 
>to > >> get a library assistant to sit down with 
>me and look at the database and > >> then email 
>me relevant articles.  This worked much faster 
>than jaws. > >> > >> Now, to learn more, I’m 
>taking classes at Northern virginia 
>community > >> college, nova, while looking for 
>work. > >> > >> Many Nova reference staff are 
>great and in fact go the extra mile.  They > >> 
>explain well how to search databases.  Others 
>seem to struggle how to > >> verbalize 
>things.  Normally, they demo the task and have 
>the information > >> seeker watch what they are 
>doing > >> > >> 
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>Therapy President, Ohio Association of Blind 
>Students 2013-Present Secretary, The National 
>Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division 
>2015-2016 "You can live the life you want; 
>blindness is not what holds you back!" 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Wed Jan 13 02:17:30 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:17:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Kaiti,

I will deffinitely talk to my ADA cordinator! I wasn't aware that this was
part of ADA, but I will definitely get on that!

Carly, I do appoligize if I seemed disrespectful or close-minded in any
way. Readers can be nice to have. My ADA cordinator just hired one for me
to have in my Henetics Lab. We will only meet when it is needed, and he
will help me with the more visual parts of the problems. class, such as
Punitt Squares, and graphing However, I will do most of the work
endependently. I'm certainly not above asking for help. But I have found
that I tend to do well on my own a lot of the time, so a reader isn't
necessary, especially when it means trying to figure out busy schedules.
course, I would have to work with my reader more if my technology failed.

Have a lovely evening!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:42 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hi, Kennedy,
>
> I just within the past year learned that the library at my college had
> a computer with jaws on it.  Apparently the DS office forgot to tell
> me where it was, but it had been there all along in compliance with
> ADA regulations, and it was nice to have it when my computer was
> completely down for the count.  It might be worth talking to your
> disability coordinator about.  I'm not sure how far along you are in
> your education there, but unless you're close to finishing up having
> the conversation about computer access options might not be a bad
> idea.
>
> It should be noted that, at the very least, they should put NVDA or
> something on a computer and keep it there.  NVDA is free and you can
> get an eloquence driver for it.  I believe that Window Eyes, which is
> also free, has a Jaws imitation mode.  There shouldn't be any excuse
> for them to do nothing.  Hopefully, if you choose to have the
> conversation, it would be a productive brainstorming session about a
> detail they just somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while to
> implement it might be there for the next blind student who might want
> to study at your university.
>
> I'd be interested to find out from the other blind student I know of
> on my campus if they also have zoom text on that library for her since
> she does not use braille proficiently yet, but it could be useful to
> explore what universities are required to load onto library computers
> in ADA compliance.
>
> On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Carly,
> >
> > No one was "fixating" on anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions
> > and several of us were throwing out what we do to accomplish the
> > things she asked about.  No one said using human readers was not an
> > option, but having access to the actual article itself in some
> > electronic form has its benefits, and for some students scheduling
> > every little research session out with a human reader would be a huge
> > undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No one was saying
> > technology is the only way to go, but it certainly has benefits and
> > makes things easier, which was precisely what it is supposed to do if
> > I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use human readers over technology
> > then that is your choice, and everyone has the right to like what
> > suits them best.
> >
> > On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
> >>   Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of
> >> the idea of accessing the illusive printed word
> >> and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently
> >> prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with
> >> enough hammering out, two people can find
> >> schedules that give. However, if your technpology
> >> chooses not to be functional for what you need to
> >> get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting
> >> work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say,
> >> use everything you have at your disposal, nothing
> >> works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps,
> >> Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya
> >> think?
> >> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am
> >>>the  only blind student at my college, and the
> >>>first blind student there in twenty years, not
> >>>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely
> >>>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no
> >>>computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
> >>>asside from my own personal laptop. This means
> >>>that if something happened with my technology, I
> >>>would have to rely solely on a human reader.
> >>>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I
> >>>can, that way I am only bound by my own
> >>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM,
> >>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the
> >>>choice to use technology or work with another
> >>>person is > a personal choice, but in my
> >>>experience technology works a good 80% of > the
> >>>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF
> >>>files from the > library are not innately
> >>>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as >
> >>>stated before is get human intervention in the
> >>>form of my disability > services converting the
> >>>files to a readable format for my >
> >>>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there
> >>>for, after all. > > I have used readers before,
> >>>but I think I'd dread using them on > something
> >>>as extensive as a research project where
> >>>multiple, long > articles or books need to be
> >>>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a
> >>>copy of the printed material at your disposal so
> >>>you can see how > statements are punctuated and
> >>>how exactly the author worded them when > citing
> >>>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw
> >>>your own > conclusions without some other person
> >>>unintentionally adding their > interpretation
> >>>into their reading or screwing up the reading
> >>>because > they're not familiar with the subject
> >>>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid
> >>>readers because I hate the idea of being >
> >>>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my
> >>>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and
> >>>have used readers in the past for short >
> >>>projects, but to do something like extensive
> >>>research reading like a > thesis or senior
> >>>capstone project like I did last semester would
> >>>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free
> >>>time because the project > was so large,
> >>>including late at night and over the weekends
> >>>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have
> >>>been available because of their > own life
> >>>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when
> >>>personal technology goes down, there should > be
> >>>a few different places one could go to have
> >>>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be
> >>>required by ADA law to have an accessible >
> >>>computer in a library for public accommodation,
> >>>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing
> >>>center before when nothing else was working. >
> >>>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop
> >>>went down they'd have > plenty of other
> >>>computers to use to get their work done, so as
> >>>blind > students if our work goes down having
> >>>access to a computer at least > somewhere on
> >>>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On
> >>>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
> >>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning,
> >>>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't
> >>>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid,
> >>>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46
> >>>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> >>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your
> >>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we
> >>>can do and get > >>help with human readers.
> >>>Readers are great when > >>they work well and
> >>>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable
> >>>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the
> >>>frustration with ebsco databases. They
> >>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good
> >>>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves
> >>>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same
> >>>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This
> >>>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco
> >>>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which
> >>>databases you desire to search by > >>checking
> >>>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases
> >>>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it
> >>>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain
> >>>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds
> >>>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish
> >>>I had known that before. I suggest that
> >>>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you
> >>>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press
> >>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is
> >>>also that some > >>librarians are great, and
> >>>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and
> >>>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience
> >>>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do
> >>>not have it. They typically > >>show students
> >>>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since
> >>>I cannot see the screen, they have
> >>>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen
> >>>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not
> >>>online through > >>databases. So, I used
> >>>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project
> >>>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took
> >>>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled
> >>>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much
> >>>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have
> >>>free time and find an ebsco contact
> >>>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them.
> >>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From:
> >>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
> >>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National
> >>>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list
> >>>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
> >>>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly
> >>>depends on the type of > >>research you are
> >>>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco
> >>>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If
> >>>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal
> >>>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very
> >>>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might
> >>>also be an option, if they have the
> >>>books > >>you need. I have had both good and
> >>>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I
> >>>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to
> >>>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's
> >>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your
> >>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On
> >>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas
> >>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare
> >>>account, you could try looking for
> >>>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a
> >>>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare >
> >>>usually has some > >>good books on the topic
> >>>you're researching. > I > >>never used the
> >>>databases in high school; do you > >>find using
> >>>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original
> >>>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via
> >>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To:
> >>>"National > >>Association of Blind Students
> >>>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date
> >>>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 >
> >>>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library
> >>>access > > Hi all, > > I̢۪d like to > >>hear
> >>>ar about the level of support
> >>>and > >>accessibility of your > library and
> >>>the > >>resources it has. > I̢۪ve writritten
> >>>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that
> >>>many > >>library > databases have access
> >>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its
> >>>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of
> >>>options, but I think I > >>finally did open
> >>>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases
> >>>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are >
> >>>generally user friendly
> >>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
> >>>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or
> >>>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept
> >>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and
> >>>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or
> >>>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred
> >>>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I
> >>>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf
> >>>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert
> >>>it. > > Generally, when I was in
> >>>the > >>university setting, I got support from
> >>>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books
> >>>for me and > >>other students had to > find >
> >>>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the
> >>>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on
> >>>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I
> >>>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit
> >>>down with me and look > >>at the database and >
> >>>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This
> >>>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to
> >>>learn more, I̢۪m taking > >>classes at at
> >>>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova,
> >>>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova
> >>>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the
> >>>extra mile.  They > explain well how
> >>>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to
> >>>struggle how > >>to > verbalize
> >>>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and
> >>>have the information > seeker watch > >>what
> >>>they are
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> >>>Dayton-Music Therapy > President, Ohio
> >>>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >
> >>>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind
> >>>Performing Arts > Division 2015-2016 > > "You
> >>>can live the life you want; blindness is not
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 02:30:59 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 22:30:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Scholarships
Message-ID: <0O0V00CAHDNQ9K10@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Bre and all,

Thank you for your email.  I actually would like to become a 
language interpreter or translator in the future, so translating 
the scholarship application might be a good experience and 
practice for me.  I speak Spanish fluently, having studied it in 
school for 9 years, and haven't gotten to practice lately, so 
doing some translations would be awesome.  I was not aware of 
anyone doing the Spanish translation, as nothing was posted to 
this list asking for volunteers, and I haven't heard of it from 
anyone else.  Does anyone know how I can become a Spanish 
translator for the NFB? If you don't know personally, do you know 
of anyone that I can contact? I know that the scholarship 
application is already translated, I'm just saying for the 
future, such as maybe translating next year's application and or 
other relevant NFB information.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

Thanks,

Sami

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs.president" <nabs.president at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,txabs at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:28:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Scholarships

Hello everyone,

Our holiday breaks are wrapping up, and school is coming back in 
to
full swing.  With all of that comes applying for scholarships.

I am excited to share with you that the scholarship application 
is now
available in Spanish.  Our organization is working hard on 
Spanish
outreach.  You can also now find the Presidential Release in 
Spanish.
Here is the link to the Spanish info.
http://www.nfbpr.org/programa-de-becas-del-2016.html

Here is the link to the application in English as well.
https://nfb.org/scholarships

The application deadline is March 31st.  Be sure to get your
application in as soon as you can.  Be sure to share this info 
with
other blind students, teachers, rehab counselors, etc.

Thanks
Bre Brown

Second Vice president, National Association of Blind Students

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Jan 13 02:36:47 2016
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 21:36:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Scholarships
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Hey Sami, you might reach out to Gabe Cazares at the National Office. He currently does most/all of the translation work. I'm sure he'd love to have some help. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 9:30 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bre and all,
> 
> Thank you for your email.  I actually would like to become a language interpreter or translator in the future, so translating the scholarship application might be a good experience and practice for me.  I speak Spanish fluently, having studied it in school for 9 years, and haven't gotten to practice lately, so doing some translations would be awesome.  I was not aware of anyone doing the Spanish translation, as nothing was posted to this list asking for volunteers, and I haven't heard of it from anyone else.  Does anyone know how I can become a Spanish translator for the NFB? If you don't know personally, do you know of anyone that I can contact? I know that the scholarship application is already translated, I'm just saying for the future, such as maybe translating next year's application and or other relevant NFB information.
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "nabs.president" <nabs.president at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,txabs at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:28:00 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Scholarships
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Our holiday breaks are wrapping up, and school is coming back in to
> full swing.  With all of that comes applying for scholarships.
> 
> I am excited to share with you that the scholarship application is now
> available in Spanish.  Our organization is working hard on Spanish
> outreach.  You can also now find the Presidential Release in Spanish.
> Here is the link to the Spanish info.
> http://www.nfbpr.org/programa-de-becas-del-2016.html
> 
> Here is the link to the application in English as well.
> https://nfb.org/scholarships
> 
> The application deadline is March 31st.  Be sure to get your
> application in as soon as you can.  Be sure to share this info with
> other blind students, teachers, rehab counselors, etc.
> 
> Thanks
> Bre Brown
> 
> Second Vice president, National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 02:38:15 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:38:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Good evening, Kenedy,

         If that is your style of learning, then, 
I guess, have at it. Whereas I believe in 
traveling, living, and learning taking place in a 
social environment. After all, humans are social 
creatures and  Everybody regurgitates the stuff 
they impart through differently shaded vantages. 
Thus allowing for a different understanding. And, 
of course, Kenedy, there is no disrespect intended!
Happy Tuesday!
CarlAt 06:17 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>Kaiti, I will deffinitely talk to my ADA 
>cordinator! I wasn't aware that this was part of 
>ADA, but I will definitely get on that! Carly, I 
>do appoligize if I seemed disrespectful or 
>close-minded in any way. Readers can be nice to 
>have. My ADA cordinator just hired one for me to 
>have in my Henetics Lab. We will only meet when 
>it is needed, and he will help me with the more 
>visual parts of the problems. class, such as 
>Punitt Squares, and graphing However, I will do 
>most of the work endependently. I'm certainly 
>not above asking for help. But I have found that 
>I tend to do well on my own a lot of the time, 
>so a reader isn't necessary, especially when it 
>means trying to figure out busy schedules. 
>course, I would have to work with my reader more 
>if my technology failed. Have a lovely evening! 
>Kennedy Stomberg On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:42 
>PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > wrote: > Hi, Kennedy, > > I 
>just within the past year learned that the 
>library at my college had > a computer with jaws 
>on it.  Apparently the DS office forgot to 
>tell > me where it was, but it had been there 
>all along in compliance with > ADA regulations, 
>and it was nice to have it when my computer 
>was > completely down for the count.  It might 
>be worth talking to your > disability 
>coordinator about.  I'm not sure how far along 
>you are in > your education there, but unless 
>you're close to finishing up having > the 
>conversation about computer access options might 
>not be a bad > idea. > > It should be noted 
>that, at the very least, they should put NVDA 
>or > something on a computer and keep it 
>there.  NVDA is free and you can > get an 
>eloquence driver for it.  I believe that Window 
>Eyes, which is > also free, has a Jaws imitation 
>mode.  There shouldn't be any excuse > for them 
>to do nothing.  Hopefully, if you choose to have 
>the > conversation, it would be a productive 
>brainstorming session about a > detail they just 
>somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while 
>to > implement it might be there for the next 
>blind student who might want > to study at your 
>university. > > I'd be interested to find out 
>from the other blind student I know of > on my 
>campus if they also have zoom text on that 
>library for her since > she does not use braille 
>proficiently yet, but it could be useful to > 
>explore what universities are required to load 
>onto library computers > in ADA compliance. > > 
>On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton 
><crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote: > > 
>Carly, > > > > No one was "fixating" on 
>anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions > > 
>and several of us were throwing out what we do 
>to accomplish the > > things she asked 
>about.  No one said using human readers was not 
>an > > option, but having access to the actual 
>article itself in some > > electronic form has 
>its benefits, and for some students 
>scheduling > > every little research session out 
>with a human reader would be a huge > > 
>undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No 
>one was saying > > technology is the only way to 
>go, but it certainly has benefits and > > makes 
>things easier, which was precisely what it is 
>supposed to do if > > I'm not mistaken.  If you 
>prefer to use human readers over technology > > 
>then that is your choice, and everyone has the 
>right to like what > > suits them best. > > > > 
>On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > >> Afternoon, 
>"STOMBERG, > >>   Seems, you are fixating on a 
>single strand of > >> the idea of accessing the 
>illusive printed word > >> and fixating on it, 
>regarding it as inherently > >> prohibitive, the 
>fact seems to be that yes, with > >> enough 
>hammering out, two people can find > >> 
>schedules that give. However, if your 
>technpology > >> chooses not to be functional 
>for what you need to > >> get done, your hands 
>are as good as tied, getting > >> work done 
>remaining a pipedream. This is to say, > >> use 
>everything you have at your disposal, 
>nothing > >> works all the time for every 
>scenario! Perhaps, > >> Remaining open 
>and  flexible might be a key to your success, 
>don['t ya > >> think? > >> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, 
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote: > >>>Kaiti, 
>You bring up a very good point! I 
>am > >>>the  only blind student at my college, 
>and the > >>>first blind student there in twenty 
>years, not > >>>to mention the firststudent who 
>relies comletely > >>>on Braille. As a result, 
>my campus has no > >>>computers with JAWS or 
>other screen readers, > >>>asside from my own 
>personal laptop. This means > >>>that if 
>something happened with my technology, 
>I > >>>would have to rely solely on a human 
>reader. > >>>However, I do try to avoid human 
>readers if I > >>>can, that way I am only bound 
>by my own > >>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 
>11:41 AM, > >>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and 
>all, > > Of course the > >>>choice to use 
>technology or work with another > >>>person is > 
>a personal choice, but in my > >>>experience 
>technology works a good 80% of > the > >>>time 
>at least (in that 20% I'm counting when 
>PDF > >>>files from the > library are not 
>innately > >>>accessible).  IN that case, what I 
>do as > > >>>stated before is get human 
>intervention in the > >>>form of my disability > 
>services converting the > >>>files to a readable 
>format for my > > >>>computer/notetaker.  That's 
>what they're there > >>>for, after all. > > I 
>have used readers before, > >>>but I think I'd 
>dread using them on > something > >>>as 
>extensive as a research project 
>where > >>>multiple, long > articles or books 
>need to be > >>>read.  It is essential, I think, 
>to have > a > >>>copy of the printed material at 
>your disposal so > >>>you can see how > 
>statements are punctuated and > >>>how exactly 
>the author worded them when > citing > >>>in 
>your paper.  It also allows for you to 
>draw > >>>your own > conclusions without some 
>other person > >>>unintentionally adding their > 
>interpretation > >>>into their reading or 
>screwing up the reading > >>>because > they're 
>not familiar with the subject > >>>you are 
>studying. > > Lastly, I usually 
>avoid > >>>readers because I hate the idea of 
>being > > >>>beholden to someone else's schedule 
>to get my > >>>work done.  I'm not > above 
>asking for help and > >>>have used readers in 
>the past for short > > >>>projects, but to do 
>something like extensive > >>>research reading 
>like a > thesis or senior > >>>capstone project 
>like I did last semester would > >>>be > 
>crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had 
>free > >>>time because the project > was so 
>large, > >>>including late at night and over the 
>weekends > >>>when a > human reader probably 
>wouldn't have > >>>been available because of 
>their > own life > >>>commitments. > > Also, 
>even in cases when > >>>personal technology goes 
>down, there should > be > >>>a few different 
>places one could go to have > >>>computer 
>access. > Colleges are supposed to 
>be > >>>required by ADA law to have an 
>accessible > > >>>computer in a library for 
>public accommodation, > >>>and if not I've used 
>a > computer in the testing > >>>center before 
>when nothing else was working. > > >>>Think 
>about it; if a sighted student's 
>laptop > >>>went down they'd have > plenty of 
>other > >>>computers to use to get their work 
>done, so as > >>>blind > students if our work 
>goes down having > >>>access to a computer at 
>least > somewhere on > >>>campus is a reasonable 
>accommodation. > > > On > >>>1/11/16, Carly 
>Mihalakis via nabs-l > >>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > Good morning, > >>>everyone, > > > > 
>What about when tech doesn't > >>>work? At least 
>when > > a reader is humanoid, > >>>you are 
>likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46 > >>>PM 
>1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via 
>nabs-l > >>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you 
>shared your > >>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just 
>have to do what we > >>>can do and get > >>help 
>with human readers. > >>>Readers are great 
>when > >>they work well and > >>>are dependable, 
>but I've had > >>many unreliable > >>>readers. I 
>am glad someone gets > >>the > >>>frustration 
>with ebsco databases. 
>They > >>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from 
>a good > >>>librarian > >>though Ii s something 
>that saves > >>>me so much > >>time. Before, I 
>did the same > >>>search in several > >>ebsco 
>databases. This > >>>librarian showed me how 
>to > >>search all ebsco > >>>databases at once, 
>or you can > >>pick which > >>>databases you 
>desire to search by > >>checking > >>>the boxes. 
>So, once you pick the > >>databases > >>>you 
>want, you press a button and it > >>sets 
>it > >>>to that search. Then I limit it 
>to > >>certain > >>>types of articles so I do 
>not get > >>hundreds > >>>of book reviews. It 
>works great, and I > >>wish > >>>I had known 
>that before. I suggest that > >>>if > >>you need 
>many ebsco databases that you > >>>have 
>a > >>librarian show you this trick. 
>Press > >>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My 
>experience is > >>>also that some > >>librarians 
>are great, and > >>>some are not. Yeah, 
>a > >>mixed bag of good and > >>>bvad ones. It 
>takes more > >>skills and patience > >>>to 
>describe what they are > >>doing, and some 
>do > >>>not have it. They typically > >>show 
>students > >>>what they are doing on the 
>screen, > >>and since > >>>I cannot see the 
>screen, they have > >>>to > >>verbalize it. I 
>was researching Queen > >>>victoria, > >>and 
>needed biographical info not > >>>online 
>through > >>databases. So, I used > >>>readers. 
>I got an > >>extension on the project > >>>as I 
>needed more time > >>as my readers 
>took > >>>longer to find the info and > >>they 
>cancelled > >>>sometimes on me. Well, we 
>pretty > >>have much > >>>the same experiences. 
>Man, if I ever > >>have > >>>free time and find 
>an ebsco contact > >>>for > >>accessibility, 
>I'll write to 
>them. > >>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- 
>From: > >>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l 
>Sent: Saturday, > >>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 
>PM To: National > >>>Association of 
>Blind > >>Students mailing list > >>>Cc: 
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] > >>>academic library 
>access > >>Ashley, It honestly > >>>depends on 
>the type of > >>research you are > >>>doing. You 
>are so right about > >>the Ebsco > >>>databases, 
>though. They are a > >>nightmare! If > >>>you're 
>looking for 
>scinitific > >>journal > >>>articles, I find 
>that Google Scholar is > >>very > >>>accessable. 
>Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might > >>>also 
>be an option, if they have 
>the > >>>books > >>you need. I have had both 
>good and > >>>bad > >>experiences with 
>librarians. And I > >>>deffinitely > >>agree 
>that it's frustrating to > >>>still 
>need > >>readers in this day and age! 
>It's > >>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with 
>your > >>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy 
>Stomberg On > >>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 
>PM, Vejas > >>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l 
>< > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>>wrote: > Hi, > If 
>you have a > >>Bookshare > >>>account, you could 
>try looking for > >>>the > >>book > there.  If 
>you're working on a > >>>research > >>paper of 
>some kind, Bookshare > > >>>usually has 
>some > >>good books on the topic > >>>you're 
>researching. > I > >>never used 
>the > >>>databases in high school; do 
>you > >>find using > >>>them helpful? > 
>Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original > >>>Message 
>----- > From: Ashley 
>Bramlett > >>via > >>>nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > 
>To: > >>>"National > >>Association of Blind 
>Students > >>>mailing list" 
>< > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date > >>>sent: Sat, 
>9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 > > >>>Subject: 
>[nabs-l] academic > >>library > >>>access > > Hi 
>all, > > I’d like to > >>hear ar > >>>ar 
>about the level of 
>support > >>>and > >>accessibility of your > 
>library and > >>>the > >>resources it has. > 
>I’ve writritten > >>>about my > >>struggles 
>bs before.  The gist is 
>that > >>>many > >>library > databases have 
>access > >>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the 
>worst.  Its > >>>hard to > open > >>the pull 
>down list of > >>>options, but I think 
>I > >>finally did open > >>>them > with 
>spacebar.  I find > >>that databases > >>>run 
>through Oxford and 
>proquest > >>are > > >>>generally user 
>friendly > >>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is 
>fairly decent, but > >>>seems > > >>like most 
>articles are image pdfs or > >>>display 
>on > >>the screen as images.  I > 
>kept > >>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying 
>graphic and > >>>the next line said > >>page 1 > 
>of > 5 or > >>>however many pages it 
>was; > >>then it occurred > >>>to me that the 
>text must > be > >>an image; so I > >>>found the 
>pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf > >>>was 
>an image too, so I had 
>to > >>convert > >>>it. > > Generally, when I 
>was in > >>>the > >>university setting, I got 
>support from > >>>the > > >>reference 
>desk.  They retrieved books > >>>for me 
>and > >>other students had to > find > > >>>them 
>by call > >>number.  I got pretty much 
>the > >>>same support as > >>other > 
>students.  I was on > >>>my own with 
>access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I > >>>was able 
>to > get a > >>library assistant to 
>sit > >>>down with me and look > >>at the 
>database and > > >>>then email me 
>relevant > >>articles.  This > >>>worked much 
>faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to > >>>learn 
>more, I’m taking > >>classes at at 
>at > >>>Northern virginia 
>community > > >>college, nova, > >>>while 
>looking for work. > > 
>Many > >>Nova > >>>reference staff are great and 
>in fact go > >>the > >>>extra mile.  They > 
>explain well how > >>>to > >>search 
>databases.  Others seem to > >>>struggle 
>how > >>to > verbalize > >>>things.  Normally, 
>they demo the > >>task and > >>>have the 
>information > seeker watch > >>what > >>>they 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 03:43:59 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:43:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Evening, Katee,

true enough. It goes back to a truth that no one 
strategy works all the time, for every instance. 
We ought, then, to keep this in mind and remain open, and unbiased.
Car
>Hi, Carly and all, Of course the choice to use 
>technology or work with another person is a 
>personal choice, but in my experience technology 
>works a good 80% of the time at least (in that 
>20% I'm counting when PDF files from the library 
>are not innately accessible).  IN that case, 
>what I do as stated before is get human 
>intervention in the form of my disability 
>services converting the files to a readable 
>format for my computer/notetaker.  That's what 
>they're there for, after all. I have used 
>readers before, but I think I'd dread using them 
>on something as extensive as a research project 
>where multiple, long articles or books need to 
>be read.  It is essential, I think, to have a 
>copy of the printed material at your disposal so 
>you can see how statements are punctuated and 
>how exactly the author worded them when citing 
>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw 
>your own conclusions without some other person 
>unintentionally adding their interpretation into 
>their reading or screwing up the reading because 
>they're not familiar with the subject you are 
>studying. Lastly, I usually avoid readers 
>because I hate the idea of being beholden to 
>someone else's schedule to get my work 
>done.  I'm not above asking for help and have 
>used readers in the past for short projects, but 
>to do something like extensive research reading 
>like a thesis or senior capstone project like I 
>did last semester would be crazy.  I worked on 
>it whenever I had free time because the project 
>was so large, including late at night and over 
>the weekends when a human reader probably 
>wouldn't have been available because of their 
>own life commitments. Also, even in cases when 
>personal technology goes down, there should be a 
>few different places one could go to have 
>computer access. Colleges are supposed to be 
>required by ADA law to have an accessible 
>computer in a library for public accommodation, 
>and if not I've used a computer in the testing 
>center before when nothing else was working. 
>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop 
>went down they'd have plenty of other computers 
>to use to get their work done, so as blind 
>students if our work goes down having access to 
>a computer at least somewhere on campus is a 
>reasonable accommodation. On 1/11/16, Carly 
>Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Good morning, everyone, > > What about 
>when tech doesn't work? At least when > a reader 
>is humanoid, you are likely to get work done. > 
>CarAt 03:46 PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via 
>nabs-l wrote: >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared 
>your thoughts. I >>guess we just have to do what 
>we can do and get >>help with human readers. 
>Readers are great when >>they work well and are 
>dependable, but I've had >>many unreliable 
>readers. I am glad someone gets >>the 
>frustration with ebsco databases. They 
>are >>terrible. What I learned from a good 
>librarian >>though Ii s something that saves me 
>so much >>time. Before, I did the same search in 
>several >>ebsco databases. This librarian showed 
>me how to >>search all ebsco databases at once, 
>or you can >>pick which databases you desire to 
>search by >>checking the boxes. So, once you 
>pick the >>databases you want, you press a 
>button and it >>sets it to that search. Then I 
>limit it to >>certain types of articles so I do 
>not get >>hundreds of book reviews. It works 
>great, and I >>wish I had known that before. I 
>suggest that if >>you need many ebsco databases 
>that you have a >>librarian show you this trick. 
>Press B to get to >>the buttons. My experience 
>is also that some >>librarians are great, and 
>some are not. Yeah, a >>mixed bag of good and 
>bvad ones. It takes more >>skills and patience 
>to describe what they are >>doing, and some do 
>not have it. They typically >>show students what 
>they are doing on the screen, >>and since I 
>cannot see the screen, they have to >>verbalize 
>it. I was researching Queen victoria, >>and 
>needed biographical info not online 
>through >>databases. So, I used readers. I got 
>an >>extension on the project as I needed more 
>time >>as my readers took longer to find the 
>info and >>they cancelled sometimes on me. Well, 
>we pretty >>have much the same experiences. Man, 
>if I ever >>have free time and find an ebsco 
>contact for >>accessibility, I'll write to them. 
>Ashley >>-----Original Message----- From: 
>STOMBERG, >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday, 
>January 09, >>2016 5:28 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind >>Students mailing list Cc: 
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>academic library access >>Ashley, It honestly 
>depends on the type of >>research you are doing. 
>You are so right about >>the Ebsco databases, 
>though. They are a >>nightmare! If you're 
>looking for scinitific >>journal articles, I 
>find that Google Scholar is >>very accessable. 
>Bookshare or Learning Allz >>might also be an 
>option, if they have the books >>you need. I 
>have had both good and bad >>experiences with 
>librarians. And I deffinitely >>agree that it's 
>frustrating to still need >>readers in this day 
>and age! It's kind of >>redicubous! Good luck 
>with your classes this >>semester! Kennedy 
>Stomberg On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas 
>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a >>Bookshare 
>account, you could try looking for the >>book > 
>there.  If you're working on a research >>paper 
>of some kind, Bookshare > usually has 
>some >>good books on the topic you're 
>researching. > I >>never used the databases in 
>high school; do you >>find using them helpful? > 
>Vejas > > > > ----- >>Original Message ----- > 
>From: Ashley Bramlett >>via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To: "National >>Association 
>of Blind Students mailing list" 
>< > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 9 Jan 
>2016 >>16:22:05 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] 
>academic >>library access > > Hi all, > > I’d 
>like to >>hear about the level of support and 
>nd >>accessibility of your > library and 
>the >>resources it has. > I’ve written about 
>my >>struggles before.  .  The gist is that 
>many >>library > databases have access 
>issues.  The >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its 
>hard to > open >>the pull down list of options, 
>but I think I >>finally did open them > with 
>spacebar.  I find >>that databases run through 
>Oxford and proquest >>are > generally user 
>friendly and >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly 
>decent, but seems > >>like most articles are 
>image pdfs or display on >>the screen as 
>images.  I > kept wondering why >>jaws was 
>saying graphic and the next line said >>page 1 > 
>of > 5 or however many pages it was; >>then it 
>occurred to me that the text must > be >>an 
>image; so I found the pdf link to 
>download >>it. > The pdf was an image too, so I 
>had to >>convert it. > > Generally, when I was 
>in the >>university setting, I got support from 
>the > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books 
>for me and >>other students had to > find > them 
>by call >>number.  I got pretty much the same 
>support as >>other > students.  I was on my own 
>with access >>barriers.  Sometimes, I was able 
>to > get a >>library assistant to sit down with 
>me and look >>at the database and > then email 
>me relevant >>articles.  This worked much faster 
>than >>jaws. > > Now, to learn more, I’m 
>taking >>classes at Northern virginia 
>community > >>>college, nova, while looking for 
>work. > > Many >>Nova reference staff are great 
>and in fact go >>the extra mile.  They > explain 
>well how to >>search databases.  Others seem to 
>struggle how >>to > verbalize things.  Normally, 
>they demo the >>task and have the information > 
>seeker watch >>what they are 
>doing > > >>_____________________________________ 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 03:56:18 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 19:56:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Request for blindness items donations
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Evening, Minh,

Are you describing the Nguyen Dinh Chieu blind school in Hanoi?
CarAt 05:47 PM 1/12/2016, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>Happy New Year! I am writing to request donations for a school for the
>blind in Vietnam, where I am from originally. My mom will be going
>back to Vietnam at the end of March, and she is visiting the school
>for the blind that I attended when I lost my vision at the age of 7.
>It's a school for the blind, but it doubles as an orphanage since a
>lot of blind children in the country are abandoned by parents and
>relatives. A group of Catholic nuns run the school, and they solely
>rely on donations from visitors to give the students an education.
>
>Here is my request: If you have old canes (doesn't matter how old or
>battered), slates and styluses, talking/braille watches, or any small
>blindness related items that you no longer use, I would love to take
>them off of your hands. My mom can bring these items back with her and
>donate them to the school. They will appreciate any contributions,
>regardless of its condition. Feel free to email me if you have any
>questions or concerns; thank you so much for your assistance in
>advance.
>
>Best,
>Minh
>
>
>
>--
>Minh Ha
>Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
>minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>
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>recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 04:17:49 2016
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:17:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Request for blindness items donations
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Hi Carly,

No, I'm not. The school I am talking about is located in Sai Gon.

Minh

On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Evening, Minh,
>
> Are you describing the Nguyen Dinh Chieu blind school in Hanoi?
> CarAt 05:47 PM 1/12/2016, you wrote:
>>Hello all,
>>
>>Happy New Year! I am writing to request donations for a school for the
>>blind in Vietnam, where I am from originally. My mom will be going
>>back to Vietnam at the end of March, and she is visiting the school
>>for the blind that I attended when I lost my vision at the age of 7.
>>It's a school for the blind, but it doubles as an orphanage since a
>>lot of blind children in the country are abandoned by parents and
>>relatives. A group of Catholic nuns run the school, and they solely
>>rely on donations from visitors to give the students an education.
>>
>>Here is my request: If you have old canes (doesn't matter how old or
>>battered), slates and styluses, talking/braille watches, or any small
>>blindness related items that you no longer use, I would love to take
>>them off of your hands. My mom can bring these items back with her and
>>donate them to the school. They will appreciate any contributions,
>>regardless of its condition. Feel free to email me if you have any
>>questions or concerns; thank you so much for your assistance in
>>advance.
>>
>>Best,
>>Minh
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Minh Ha
>>Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
>>minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>>
>>"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>>recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>
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"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 04:28:26 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:28:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Evening, Kaiti,

         I aggree wholeheartedly. Indeed 
Sometimes having an electronic copy of an article 
from which to find spellings and to copy 
quotations is also a huge undertaking with a 
human reader. I just try to keep all my options 
open at all times, with no one way of doing anything.
Car 05:35 PM 1/12/2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Carly, No one was "fixating" on 
>anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions and 
>several of us were throwing out what we do to 
>accomplish the things she asked about.  No one 
>said using human readers was not an option, but 
>having access to the actual article itself in 
>some electronic form has its benefits, and for 
>some students scheduling every little research 
>session out with a human reader would be a huge 
>undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No 
>one was saying technology is the only way to go, 
>but it certainly has benefits and makes things 
>easier, which was precisely what it is supposed 
>to do if I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use 
>human readers over technology then that is your 
>choice, and everyone has the right to like what 
>suits them best. On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Afternoon, 
>"STOMBERG, >   Seems, you are fixating on a 
>single strand of > the idea of accessing the 
>illusive printed word > and fixating on it, 
>regarding it as inherently > prohibitive, the 
>fact seems to be that yes, with > enough 
>hammering out, two people can find > schedules 
>that give. However, if your technpology > 
>chooses not to be functional for what you need 
>to > get done, your hands are as good as tied, 
>getting > work done remaining a pipedream. This 
>is to say, > use everything you have at your 
>disposal, nothing > works all the time for every 
>scenario! Perhaps, > Remaining open 
>and  flexible might be a key to your success, 
>don['t ya > think? > Car57 PM 1/12/2016, 
>STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote: >>Kaiti, You 
>bring up a very good point! I am >>the  only 
>blind student at my college, and the >>first 
>blind student there in twenty years, not >>to 
>mention the firststudent who relies 
>comletely >>on Braille. As a result, my campus 
>has no >>computers with JAWS or other screen 
>readers, >>asside from my own personal laptop. 
>This means >>that if something happened with my 
>technology, I >>would have to rely solely on a 
>human reader. >>However, I do try to avoid human 
>readers if I >>can, that way I am only bound by 
>my own >>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 
>AM, >>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>wrote: > Hi, Carly and 
>all, > > Of course the >>choice to use 
>technology or work with another >>person is > a 
>personal choice, but in my >>experience 
>technology works a good 80% of > the >>time at 
>least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF >>files 
>from the > library are not 
>innately >>accessible).  IN that case, what I do 
>as > >>stated before is get human intervention 
>in the >>form of my disability > services 
>converting the >>files to a readable format for 
>my > >>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're 
>there >>for, after all. > > I have used readers 
>before, >>but I think I'd dread using them on > 
>something >>as extensive as a research project 
>where >>multiple, long > articles or books need 
>to be >>read.  It is essential, I think, to 
>have > a >>copy of the printed material at your 
>disposal so >>you can see how > statements are 
>punctuated and >>how exactly the author worded 
>them when > citing >>in your paper.  It also 
>allows for you to draw >>your own > conclusions 
>without some other person >>unintentionally 
>adding their > interpretation >>into their 
>reading or screwing up the reading >>because > 
>they're not familiar with the subject >>you are 
>studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid >>readers 
>because I hate the idea of being > >>beholden to 
>someone else's schedule to get my >>work 
>done.  I'm not > above asking for help 
>and >>have used readers in the past for 
>short > >>projects, but to do something like 
>extensive >>research reading like a > thesis or 
>senior >>capstone project like I did last 
>semester would >>be > crazy.  I worked on it 
>whenever I had free >>time because the project > 
>was so large, >>including late at night and over 
>the weekends >>when a > human reader probably 
>wouldn't have >>been available because of 
>their > own life >>commitments. > > Also, even 
>in cases when >>personal technology goes down, 
>there should > be >>a few different places one 
>could go to have >>computer access. > Colleges 
>are supposed to be >>required by ADA law to have 
>an accessible > >>computer in a library for 
>public accommodation, >>and if not I've used a > 
>computer in the testing >>center before when 
>nothing else was working. > >>Think about it; if 
>a sighted student's laptop >>went down they'd 
>have > plenty of other >>computers to use to get 
>their work done, so as >>blind > students if our 
>work goes down having >>access to a computer at 
>least > somewhere on >>campus is a reasonable 
>accommodation. > > > On >>1/11/16, Carly 
>Mihalakis via nabs-l >><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > Good morning, >>everyone, > > > > 
>What about when tech doesn't >>work? At least 
>when > > a reader is humanoid, >>you are likely 
>to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46 >>PM 1/9/2016, 
>Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l >>wrote: > >>Hello 
>Kennedy, Glad you shared your >>thoughts. 
>I > >>guess we just have to do what we >>can do 
>and get > >>help with human readers. >>Readers 
>are great when > >>they work well and >>are 
>dependable, but I've had > >>many 
>unreliable >>readers. I am glad someone 
>gets > >>the >>frustration with ebsco databases. 
>They >>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a 
>good >>librarian > >>though Ii s something that 
>saves >>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the 
>same >>search in several > >>ebsco databases. 
>This >>librarian showed me how to > >>search all 
>ebsco >>databases at once, or you can > >>pick 
>which >>databases you desire to search 
>by > >>checking >>the boxes. So, once you pick 
>the > >>databases >>you want, you press a button 
>and it > >>sets it >>to that search. Then I 
>limit it to > >>certain >>types of articles so I 
>do not get > >>hundreds >>of book reviews. It 
>works great, and I > >>wish >>I had known that 
>before. I suggest that >>if > >>you need many 
>ebsco databases that you >>have a > >>librarian 
>show you this trick. Press >>B to get to > >>the 
>buttons. My experience is >>also that 
>some > >>librarians are great, and >>some are 
>not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and >>bvad 
>ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience >>to 
>describe what they are > >>doing, and some 
>do >>not have it. They typically > >>show 
>students >>what they are doing on the 
>screen, > >>and since >>I cannot see the screen, 
>they have >>to > >>verbalize it. I was 
>researching Queen >>victoria, > >>and needed 
>biographical info not >>online 
>through > >>databases. So, I used >>readers. I 
>got an > >>extension on the project >>as I 
>needed more time > >>as my readers took >>longer 
>to find the info and > >>they 
>cancelled >>sometimes on me. Well, we 
>pretty > >>have much >>the same experiences. 
>Man, if I ever > >>have >>free time and find an 
>ebsco contact >>for > >>accessibility, I'll 
>write to them. >>Ashley > >>-----Original 
>Message----- From: >>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via 
>nabs-l Sent: Saturday, >>January 09, > >>2016 
>5:28 PM To: National >>Association of 
>Blind > >>Students mailing list >>Cc: STOMBERG, 
>KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] >>academic 
>library access > >>Ashley, It honestly >>depends 
>on the type of > >>research you are >>doing. You 
>are so right about > >>the Ebsco >>databases, 
>though. They are a > >>nightmare! If >>you're 
>looking for scinitific > >>journal >>articles, I 
>find that Google Scholar 
>is > >>very >>accessable. Bookshare or Learning 
>Allz > >>might >>also be an option, if they have 
>the >>books > >>you need. I have had both good 
>and >>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And 
>I >>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating 
>to >>still need > >>readers in this day and age! 
>It's >>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with 
>your >>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy 
>Stomberg On >>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, 
>Vejas >>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l 
>< > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>wrote: > Hi, > If you 
>have a > >>Bookshare >>account, you could try 
>looking for >>the > >>book > there.  If you're 
>working on a >>research > >>paper of some kind, 
>Bookshare > >>usually has some > >>good books on 
>the topic >>you're researching. > I > >>never 
>used the >>databases in high school; do 
>you > >>find using >>them helpful? > 
>Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original >>Message 
>----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via >>nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org > 
>To: >>"National > >>Association of Blind 
>Students >>mailing list" 
>< > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date >>sent: Sat, 9 
>Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 > >>Subject: 
>[nabs-l] academic > >>library >>access > > Hi 
>all, > > I’d liklike to > >>hear >>ar about 
>the level of support >>and > >>accessibility of 
>your > library and >>the > >>resources it has. > 
>I’ve writritten >>about my > >>strugglesles 
>before.  The gist is that >>many > >>library > 
>databases have access >>issues.  The > >>ebsco 
>ones are the worst.  Its >>hard to > 
>open > >>the pull down list of >>options, but I 
>think I > >>finally did open >>them > with 
>spacebar.  I find > >>that databases >>run 
>through Oxford and 
>proquest > >>are > >>generally user 
>friendly >>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly 
>decent, but >>seems > > >>like most articles are 
>image pdfs or >>display on > >>the screen as 
>images.  I > kept >>wondering why > >>jaws was 
>saying graphic and >>the next line said > >>page 
>1 > of > 5 or >>however many pages it 
>was; > >>then it occurred >>to me that the text 
>must > be > >>an image; so I >>found the pdf 
>link to download > >>it. > The pdf >>was an 
>image too, so I had to > >>convert >>it. > > 
>Generally, when I was in >>the > >>university 
>setting, I got support 
>from >>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved 
>books >>for me and > >>other students had to > 
>find > >>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty 
>much the >>same support as > >>other > 
>students.  I was on >>my own with 
>access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I >>was able 
>to > get a > >>library assistant to sit >>down 
>with me and look > >>at the database 
>and > >>then email me 
>relevant > >>articles.  This >>worked much 
>faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to >>learn more, 
>I’m taking > >>classes at at >>Northern 
>virginia co community > > >>college, 
>nova, >>while looking for work. > > 
>Many > >>Nova >>reference staff are great and in 
>fact go > >>the >>extra mile.  They > explain 
>well how >>to > >>search databases.  Others seem 
>to >>struggle how > >>to > 
>verbalize >>things.  Normally, they demo 
>the > >>task and >>have the information > seeker 
>watch > >>what >>they 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Jan 13 04:40:21 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 20:40:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Request for blindness items donations
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Oh, Minh,

What is it called? At 08:17 PM 1/12/2016, you wrote:
>Hi Carly,
>
>No, I'm not. The school I am talking about is located in Sai Gon.
>
>Minh
>
>On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Evening, Minh,
> >
> > Are you describing the Nguyen Dinh Chieu blind school in Hanoi?
> > CarAt 05:47 PM 1/12/2016, you wrote:
> >>Hello all,
> >>
> >>Happy New Year! I am writing to request donations for a school for the
> >>blind in Vietnam, where I am from originally. My mom will be going
> >>back to Vietnam at the end of March, and she is visiting the school
> >>for the blind that I attended when I lost my vision at the age of 7.
> >>It's a school for the blind, but it doubles as an orphanage since a
> >>lot of blind children in the country are abandoned by parents and
> >>relatives. A group of Catholic nuns run the school, and they solely
> >>rely on donations from visitors to give the students an education.
> >>
> >>Here is my request: If you have old canes (doesn't matter how old or
> >>battered), slates and styluses, talking/braille watches, or any small
> >>blindness related items that you no longer use, I would love to take
> >>them off of your hands. My mom can bring these items back with her and
> >>donate them to the school. They will appreciate any contributions,
> >>regardless of its condition. Feel free to email me if you have any
> >>questions or concerns; thank you so much for your assistance in
> >>advance.
> >>
> >>Best,
> >>Minh
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Minh Ha
> >>Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
> >>minh.ha927 at gmail.com
> >>
> >>"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> >>recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> >>but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> >>their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> >>
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>Minh Ha
>Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
>minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>
>"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 13 05:39:13 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
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Hi,
I agree with Kaiti in the importance of a pc on campus in a public place 
like the library for access.
It is required by the ADA for accomodations. Also, if your own equipment 
breaks down, it’s a backup, and its nice to have the option of the college 
pc like veryone else.
If you are the first blind student, they can and should have ordered jaws or 
another screen reader and installed it on the compters where students go 
such as the library, computer lab, and tutoring center.
So, if you want it for you or other students after you, I encourage you to 
make that request to your school.

I think they should purchase a screen reader, but at the least, they can put 
NVDA on it.

Good luck,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access

Hi, Kennedy,

I just within the past year learned that the library at my college had
a computer with jaws on it.  Apparently the DS office forgot to tell
me where it was, but it had been there all along in compliance with
ADA regulations, and it was nice to have it when my computer was
completely down for the count.  It might be worth talking to your
disability coordinator about.  I'm not sure how far along you are in
your education there, but unless you're close to finishing up having
the conversation about computer access options might not be a bad
idea.

It should be noted that, at the very least, they should put NVDA or
something on a computer and keep it there.  NVDA is free and you can
get an eloquence driver for it.  I believe that Window Eyes, which is
also free, has a Jaws imitation mode.  There shouldn't be any excuse
for them to do nothing.  Hopefully, if you choose to have the
conversation, it would be a productive brainstorming session about a
detail they just somehow overlooked, and even if it takes a while to
implement it might be there for the next blind student who might want
to study at your university.

I'd be interested to find out from the other blind student I know of
on my campus if they also have zoom text on that library for her since
she does not use braille proficiently yet, but it could be useful to
explore what universities are required to load onto library computers
in ADA compliance.

On 1/12/16, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Carly,
>
> No one was "fixating" on anything.  Ashley was asking for suggestions
> and several of us were throwing out what we do to accomplish the
> things she asked about.  No one said using human readers was not an
> option, but having access to the actual article itself in some
> electronic form has its benefits, and for some students scheduling
> every little research session out with a human reader would be a huge
> undertaking and burden to the task at hand.  No one was saying
> technology is the only way to go, but it certainly has benefits and
> makes things easier, which was precisely what it is supposed to do if
> I'm not mistaken.  If you prefer to use human readers over technology
> then that is your choice, and everyone has the right to like what
> suits them best.
>
> On 1/12/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Afternoon, "STOMBERG,
>>   Seems, you are fixating on a single strand of
>> the idea of accessing the illusive printed word
>> and fixating on it, regarding it as inherently
>> prohibitive, the fact seems to be that yes, with
>> enough hammering out, two people can find
>> schedules that give. However, if your technpology
>> chooses not to be functional for what you need to
>> get done, your hands are as good as tied, getting
>> work done remaining a pipedream. This is to say,
>> use everything you have at your disposal, nothing
>> works all the time for every scenario! Perhaps,
>> Remaining open and  flexible might be a key to your success, don['t ya
>> think?
>> Car57 PM 1/12/2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l wrote:
>>>Kaiti, You bring up a very good point! I am
>>>the  only blind student at my college, and the
>>>first blind student there in twenty years, not
>>>to mention the firststudent who relies comletely
>>>on Braille. As a result, my campus has no
>>>computers with JAWS or other screen readers,
>>>asside from my own personal laptop. This means
>>>that if something happened with my technology, I
>>>would have to rely solely on a human reader.
>>>However, I do try to avoid human readers if I
>>>can, that way I am only bound by my own
>>>schedule. On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:41 AM,
>>>Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote: > Hi, Carly and all, > > Of course the
>>>choice to use technology or work with another
>>>person is > a personal choice, but in my
>>>experience technology works a good 80% of > the
>>>time at least (in that 20% I'm counting when PDF
>>>files from the > library are not innately
>>>accessible).  IN that case, what I do as >
>>>stated before is get human intervention in the
>>>form of my disability > services converting the
>>>files to a readable format for my >
>>>computer/notetaker.  That's what they're there
>>>for, after all. > > I have used readers before,
>>>but I think I'd dread using them on > something
>>>as extensive as a research project where
>>>multiple, long > articles or books need to be
>>>read.  It is essential, I think, to have > a
>>>copy of the printed material at your disposal so
>>>you can see how > statements are punctuated and
>>>how exactly the author worded them when > citing
>>>in your paper.  It also allows for you to draw
>>>your own > conclusions without some other person
>>>unintentionally adding their > interpretation
>>>into their reading or screwing up the reading
>>>because > they're not familiar with the subject
>>>you are studying. > > Lastly, I usually avoid
>>>readers because I hate the idea of being >
>>>beholden to someone else's schedule to get my
>>>work done.  I'm not > above asking for help and
>>>have used readers in the past for short >
>>>projects, but to do something like extensive
>>>research reading like a > thesis or senior
>>>capstone project like I did last semester would
>>>be > crazy.  I worked on it whenever I had free
>>>time because the project > was so large,
>>>including late at night and over the weekends
>>>when a > human reader probably wouldn't have
>>>been available because of their > own life
>>>commitments. > > Also, even in cases when
>>>personal technology goes down, there should > be
>>>a few different places one could go to have
>>>computer access. > Colleges are supposed to be
>>>required by ADA law to have an accessible >
>>>computer in a library for public accommodation,
>>>and if not I've used a > computer in the testing
>>>center before when nothing else was working. >
>>>Think about it; if a sighted student's laptop
>>>went down they'd have > plenty of other
>>>computers to use to get their work done, so as
>>>blind > students if our work goes down having
>>>access to a computer at least > somewhere on
>>>campus is a reasonable accommodation. > > > On
>>>1/11/16, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Good morning,
>>>everyone, > > > > What about when tech doesn't
>>>work? At least when > > a reader is humanoid,
>>>you are likely to get work done. > > CarAt 03:46
>>>PM 1/9/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>wrote: > >>Hello Kennedy, Glad you shared your
>>>thoughts. I > >>guess we just have to do what we
>>>can do and get > >>help with human readers.
>>>Readers are great when > >>they work well and
>>>are dependable, but I've had > >>many unreliable
>>>readers. I am glad someone gets > >>the
>>>frustration with ebsco databases. They
>>>are > >>terrible. What I learned from a good
>>>librarian > >>though Ii s something that saves
>>>me so much > >>time. Before, I did the same
>>>search in several > >>ebsco databases. This
>>>librarian showed me how to > >>search all ebsco
>>>databases at once, or you can > >>pick which
>>>databases you desire to search by > >>checking
>>>the boxes. So, once you pick the > >>databases
>>>you want, you press a button and it > >>sets it
>>>to that search. Then I limit it to > >>certain
>>>types of articles so I do not get > >>hundreds
>>>of book reviews. It works great, and I > >>wish
>>>I had known that before. I suggest that
>>>if > >>you need many ebsco databases that you
>>>have a > >>librarian show you this trick. Press
>>>B to get to > >>the buttons. My experience is
>>>also that some > >>librarians are great, and
>>>some are not. Yeah, a > >>mixed bag of good and
>>>bvad ones. It takes more > >>skills and patience
>>>to describe what they are > >>doing, and some do
>>>not have it. They typically > >>show students
>>>what they are doing on the screen, > >>and since
>>>I cannot see the screen, they have
>>>to > >>verbalize it. I was researching Queen
>>>victoria, > >>and needed biographical info not
>>>online through > >>databases. So, I used
>>>readers. I got an > >>extension on the project
>>>as I needed more time > >>as my readers took
>>>longer to find the info and > >>they cancelled
>>>sometimes on me. Well, we pretty > >>have much
>>>the same experiences. Man, if I ever > >>have
>>>free time and find an ebsco contact
>>>for > >>accessibility, I'll write to them.
>>>Ashley > >>-----Original Message----- From:
>>>STOMBERG, > >>KENNEDY via nabs-l Sent: Saturday,
>>>January 09, > >>2016 5:28 PM To: National
>>>Association of Blind > >>Students mailing list
>>>Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l]
>>>academic library access > >>Ashley, It honestly
>>>depends on the type of > >>research you are
>>>doing. You are so right about > >>the Ebsco
>>>databases, though. They are a > >>nightmare! If
>>>you're looking for scinitific > >>journal
>>>articles, I find that Google Scholar is > >>very
>>>accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz > >>might
>>>also be an option, if they have the
>>>books > >>you need. I have had both good and
>>>bad > >>experiences with librarians. And I
>>>deffinitely > >>agree that it's frustrating to
>>>still need > >>readers in this day and age! It's
>>>kind of > >>redicubous! Good luck with your
>>>classes this > >>semester! Kennedy Stomberg On
>>>Sat, Jan 9, 2016 > >>at 3:47 PM, Vejas
>>>Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>wrote: > Hi, > If you have a > >>Bookshare
>>>account, you could try looking for
>>>the > >>book > there.  If you're working on a
>>>research > >>paper of some kind, Bookshare >
>>>usually has some > >>good books on the topic
>>>you're researching. > I > >>never used the
>>>databases in high school; do you > >>find using
>>>them helpful? > Vejas > > > > ----- > >>Original
>>>Message ----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > >>via
>>>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org > To:
>>>"National > >>Association of Blind Students
>>>mailing list" < > > >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Date
>>>sent: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 > >>16:22:05 -0500 >
>>>Subject: [nabs-l] academic > >>library
>>>access > > Hi all, > > I̢۪d like to > >>hear
>>>ar about the level of support
>>>and > >>accessibility of your > library and
>>>the > >>resources it has. > I̢۪ve writritten
>>>about my > >>struggles before.  The gist is that
>>>many > >>library > databases have access
>>>issues.  The > >>ebsco ones are the worst.  Its
>>>hard to > open > >>the pull down list of
>>>options, but I think I > >>finally did open
>>>them > with spacebar.  I find > >>that databases
>>>run through Oxford and proquest > >>are >
>>>generally user friendly
>>>and > >>accessible.  Jstor is fairly decent, but
>>>seems > > >>like most articles are image pdfs or
>>>display on > >>the screen as images.  I > kept
>>>wondering why > >>jaws was saying graphic and
>>>the next line said > >>page 1 > of > 5 or
>>>however many pages it was; > >>then it occurred
>>>to me that the text must > be > >>an image; so I
>>>found the pdf link to download > >>it. > The pdf
>>>was an image too, so I had to > >>convert
>>>it. > > Generally, when I was in
>>>the > >>university setting, I got support from
>>>the > > >>reference desk.  They retrieved books
>>>for me and > >>other students had to > find >
>>>them by call > >>number.  I got pretty much the
>>>same support as > >>other > students.  I was on
>>>my own with access > >>barriers.  Sometimes, I
>>>was able to > get a > >>library assistant to sit
>>>down with me and look > >>at the database and >
>>>then email me relevant > >>articles.  This
>>>worked much faster than > >>jaws. > > Now, to
>>>learn more, I̢۪m taking > >>classes at at
>>>Northern virginia community > > >>college, nova,
>>>while looking for work. > > Many > >>Nova
>>>reference staff are great and in fact go > >>the
>>>extra mile.  They > explain well how
>>>to > >>search databases.  Others seem to
>>>struggle how > >>to > verbalize
>>>things.  Normally, they demo the > >>task and
>>>have the information > seeker watch > >>what
>>>they are
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>>>Association of Blind Students 2013-Present >
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-- 
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
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Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

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From treyman19 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 05:58:16 2016
From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 23:58:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] In need of some help
Message-ID: <3DA40079-5C30-4755-9E82-AC3D517957F9@gmail.com>

Hi my name is Trey Bradley I am in need of a Braille note taker because I am going to college and my counselor will not get me one. Please some one help me.  

Sent from my iPhone

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Wed Jan 13 06:25:54 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 00:25:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] In need of some help
In-Reply-To: <3DA40079-5C30-4755-9E82-AC3D517957F9@gmail.com>
References: <3DA40079-5C30-4755-9E82-AC3D517957F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY6_uFpugjZ38XgTMbegAHUYCz4C5BRmjWk3ZVByYW8SYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Trey,

Generally, your councilor is required to give a rationale of some sort if
they are not going to provide you with something. Did they say why you
can't have a Braille note-taker?

Thank you!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Trey Bradley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hi my name is Trey Bradley I am in need of a Braille note taker because I
> am going to college and my counselor will not get me one. Please some one
> help me.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 06:50:15 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 01:50:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] In need of some help
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY6_uFpugjZ38XgTMbegAHUYCz4C5BRmjWk3ZVByYW8SYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3DA40079-5C30-4755-9E82-AC3D517957F9@gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY6_uFpugjZ38XgTMbegAHUYCz4C5BRmjWk3ZVByYW8SYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A511E581-A5B3-4834-AFBE-4624816D5168@gmail.com>

Hi Tray an d all! Tray, I also have the problem with my counsellor before wen I enter in college it took a long time to get my  BrailleNote device. I never new why. However, they also want  the student to be full time not part time taking classes in order to provide me with computers and other types of devices like apple devices!  I have been fighting for my rights for a long time,  and I got my own equipment for school meaning my own computer and so on! The only thing that My counsellor gave m rid a Braille not taker! So Tray, what I recommend here is for you to fight for your rights! And a question, did they tell you that the Eason you are not getting a Braille note taker because you are a  part time in college? If so, I can help you advocate if you prefer! I'm a university student  who always fought for my writes in college,a and Now in my University I get provide with the  equipment that I need for my classes! It is definitely not good that they are telling you that they will not provide you a not taker! Feel free to write me off list if you prefer if you  want to talk to me further regarding this matter. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 1:25 AM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Trey,
> 
> Generally, your councilor is required to give a rationale of some sort if
> they are not going to provide you with something. Did they say why you
> can't have a Braille note-taker?
> 
> Thank you!
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Trey Bradley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi my name is Trey Bradley I am in need of a Braille note taker because I
>> am going to college and my counselor will not get me one. Please some one
>> help me.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Wed Jan 13 14:57:37 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:57:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
 Internet Regulations
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB1686DB5DA15E4D1602F859E2DECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Howdy Students,

Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to urge the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet regulations. As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities, but they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not only irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights and equality of opportunity for all Americans.

Please take a moment to sign our we the people petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your fellow students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching 100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are energized, enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online content. In addition to sharing our petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media outlets, please personally approach 10 friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we have done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with your help, I know we can!
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
Talk soon,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 15:09:34 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:09:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Solve storage issue on my IPad
Message-ID: <569668d6.84d80d0a.1e824.3675@mx.google.com>

Good Morning Nabs,

I hope this message finds you well.  This morning I got an alert 
on my IPad saying that the storage is almost full.  Last week I 
delted a few of the apps that I no longer need.  What can I do to 
solve this problem? I would really appreciate your help.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 16:05:54 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:05:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rolling Bags and Navigating Open Spaces
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS290B251E93AAABA39A3EA1DBACB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I survived my first day of classes after taking some time off to deal with
some health issues. I am really interested in this class even though I know
it may be a bit of a challenge for me. However, I have some questions about
using rolling bags and navigating through large open spaces.

In my hasty preparations for class, I simply through my essentials for class
in a tote bag rather than a small bag on wheels. The tote bag was empty
while the bag on wheels still has some things in it from when I used it over
the holidays. However, after seeing all the snow we got for the first day of
classes, I am wondering how easy it might be to use the bag on wheels in the
snow. Does anyone on the email list have any experience using a bag on
wheels?  How easy is it to maneuver the bag on wheels through the snow? I
also have some issues with balance, and I am wondering if using the bag on
wheels will make it more difficult for me to keep my balance. How will using
the bag on wheels effect my balance? Since I am using a cane in one hand
while pulling the bag on wheels with my other hand, this no longer leaves me
a free hand to grab a hold of something like when stepping on or off the bus
and opening a door. Does anyone have any tips or tricks for using a bag on
wheels on a regular basis? I would appreciate any feedback on this issue.

But I could also use some advice on navigating through large open spaces. My
college recently renovated one of its buildings, and they decided to use a
large open floor format that I am having trouble navigating. I had someone
show me the layout of the new building this past fall, but this was during a
time where there were not a lot of people in it. Now that there are lots of
people going in different directions as well as new obstacles like tables
and chairs that were not there before, I am having a difficult time
navigating through this large open space. If anyone has any tips or tricks
on how to navigate through this large open space, I would greatly appreciate
hearing from you. There are very few if any permeant landmarks in this open
space. I would avoid this building if I could, but it contains student
services and the only options for food on campus. I would also avoid the
large open space area, but you need to go through it in order to get to the
restrooms and elevator. Again, if you have any suggestions as to how I might
be able to navigate through this large open space building, I would greatly
appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 16:29:15 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:29:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rolling Bags and Navigating Open Spaces
Message-ID: <56967b96.86c90d0a.a6642.442f@mx.google.com>

Elizabeth, I don't know how the rolling bag will affect your 
ballance, but or how it will perform in the snow because I've 
only used them as luggage, but perhaps you might get the type of 
rolling bag that also works as a backpack so when you need your 
hands free or have to walk through snow you can put it on your 
back and then go back to rolling it.  As far as open spaces, the 
best thing to do I find is to use a compas.  The braille ones are 
hard to come by these days, but the voice ones or the iphone app 
can work.  Know what things are on what side of the open space, 
and then you can keep going north or east or whatever.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:05:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rolling Bags and Navigating Open Spaces

Hello All,

I survived my first day of classes after taking some time off to 
deal with
some health issues. I am really interested in this class even 
though I know
it may be a bit of a challenge for me. However, I have some 
questions about
using rolling bags and navigating through large open spaces.

In my hasty preparations for class, I simply through my 
essentials for class
in a tote bag rather than a small bag on wheels. The tote bag was 
empty
while the bag on wheels still has some things in it from when I 
used it over
the holidays. However, after seeing all the snow we got for the 
first day of
classes, I am wondering how easy it might be to use the bag on 
wheels in the
snow. Does anyone on the email list have any experience using a 
bag on
wheels?  How easy is it to maneuver the bag on wheels through the 
snow? I
also have some issues with balance, and I am wondering if using 
the bag on
wheels will make it more difficult for me to keep my balance. How 
will using
the bag on wheels effect my balance? Since I am using a cane in 
one hand
while pulling the bag on wheels with my other hand, this no 
longer leaves me
a free hand to grab a hold of something like when stepping on or 
off the bus
and opening a door. Does anyone have any tips or tricks for using 
a bag on
wheels on a regular basis? I would appreciate any feedback on 
this issue.

But I could also use some advice on navigating through large open 
spaces. My
college recently renovated one of its buildings, and they decided 
to use a
large open floor format that I am having trouble navigating. I 
had someone
show me the layout of the new building this past fall, but this 
was during a
time where there were not a lot of people in it. Now that there 
are lots of
people going in different directions as well as new obstacles 
like tables
and chairs that were not there before, I am having a difficult 
time
navigating through this large open space. If anyone has any tips 
or tricks
on how to navigate through this large open space, I would greatly 
appreciate
hearing from you. There are very few if any permeant landmarks in 
this open
space. I would avoid this building if I could, but it contains 
student
services and the only options for food on campus. I would also 
avoid the
large open space area, but you need to go through it in order to 
get to the
restrooms and elevator. Again, if you have any suggestions as to 
how I might
be able to navigate through this large open space building, I 
would greatly
appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 16:33:08 2016
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:33:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJ-Oq2LL66yVJAZ=68SaK07sRGi-WLZ4R_jYzGk6maHxA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi student friends,

I am looking into getting a new note taker as my beloved Braille Note
is 6 years old!  Yeah, it's been through a lot with me.  It needs
cleaning more and more often, and though I love it, I know I will have
to replace it sooner or later.  I am a heavy note taker user and would
love to have a working backup.  Anyway, I am seriously considering the
Braille Sense U2.

My questions: what are your honest recommendations?  For those of you
who use the Braille Sense, have you found it to be efficient and
stable?  Do you use the clients-email, Facebook, Youtube, etc?  What
don't you like about the device?  Do any of you use the Braille Sense
with different languages?  If so, do they work well?  The Braille Note
supports French, German, and Italian-the languages I have studied, but
it refuses to set documents in those languages when I choose them.

Any other thoughts on note takers?  I want to be thorough here.  Thanks.


-- 
Julie A. McGinnity
President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 19:58:32 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:58:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY66r0An+Tzaj67HVV2abe-Yu+2WpuX0NFMExTu=0G-fUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY66r0An+Tzaj67HVV2abe-Yu+2WpuX0NFMExTu=0G-fUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kennedy,
  I have done some work around construction sites.
 Firstly,it sounds like the chapter president is speaking to perceived  concerns. has she actually  heard legitimate concerns from the  people in charge of the project? or is she anticipating possible  objections to you being a part of the team working on the house?
 once you get past whether or not these concerns are being felt by the project supervisor(s) then it might be appropriate to consider how to address them.
 Generally speaking  these types of projects are designed to put to work a number of hands on a small number of large projects.  The people working o the projects are probably not going to have a great deal of experience on construction work and like you will need training.
 I would start out  on a project that you feel comfortable with.  Something  that maybe isn’t quite as challenging as maybe you might  want at first, but something you feel good about doing and there is a need for. 
 Say for example there is a need for people to nail down wood planks on a roof and there is concern about you doing this, but  there is a need for  people to run supplies  between multiple habitat sites where your group is stationed.
 It might be a good idea to help run  supplies at first and as people get more  comfortable with their jobs and you being a part of the effort you might jump in  on that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t want to jump  in on that project, you might try jumping in on something else  where you feels comfortable.
  I hope that helps in a general sense.
  Darian ..
   ,     .
   .
  
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
> My college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity is taking a trip over Spring
> Break to help build homes in West Virginia. I was recently approached by
> the president of our chapter. She mentioned that the construction managers
> might not want me to be
> presentat the place where the home is being constructed for safety reasons,
> and because I could potentially make a mistake that could seriously damage
> the home. I have very limited experience  working in construction.
> 
> So my question is, Is there anyone out there who has worked at construction
> sites, or has built homes with Habitat for humanity? How were you able to
> contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you have to overcome? Please
> feel free to e-mail me on or off-list.
> 
> Thank you!
> Kennedy Stomberg
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From dravant at ameritech.net  Wed Jan 13 22:13:23 2016
From: dravant at ameritech.net (Denise Avant)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:13:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Vario Ultra For Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000047174436@mailfront2.g2host.com>


For sale: Vario Ultra 20 cell notetaker/Braille display
The device is in excellent condition, and is still under warranty.
Price $1600 including shipping and handling if in the united States.
Any license transfer will be the responsibility  of the buyer.
If interested, e-mail me at 
<mailto:dravant at ameritech.net>dravant at ameritech.net.
Thank you.


From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jan 13 22:31:51 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:31:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FwTandem cycling resource for Blind persons
Message-ID: <auto-000047780965@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>We have been asked to circulate the following:


Dave



>****
>With Spring on its way, now is a good time to be thinking about the 
>upcoming cycling season! There is an email list, specifically 
>focused on empowering the blind into the  arena of bicycling. We are 
>a friendly community, dedicated to helping you to reach the next 
>level, in your fitness goals.
>
>Even if you do not own a tandem, there may be local opportunities 
>that we can uncover, together. So, click on the below link and come 
>join us. Introduce yourself and enjoy the ride! Federationists 
>greatly encouraged!
>
>If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
>
>Be blessed,
>
>Ron Burzese, NOMC
>916-716-5400
><mailto:rrburzese at gmail.com>rrburzese at gmail.com
>
><mailto:blind_cycling-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>blind_cycling-subscribe at yahoogroups.com

From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Jan 13 23:15:38 2016
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:15:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
	Internet Regulations
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR0701MB1686DB5DA15E4D1602F859E2DECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN3PR0701MB1686DB5DA15E4D1602F859E2DECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>

I would be more than happy to sign the petition; however, the provided link
does not seem to work.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cazares, Gabe
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
Internet Regulations

Howdy Students,

Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to urge
the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet regulations.
As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible
websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the
opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities, but
they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not only
irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights
and equality of opportunity for all Americans.

Please take a moment to sign our we the people
petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your fellow
students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching
100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are energized,
enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online content.
In addition to sharing our
petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and
other social media outlets, please personally approach 10
friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own
networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the
drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we have
done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with your
help, I know we can!
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to
see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
Talk soon,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Jan 13 23:18:33 2016
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:18:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] academic library access
References: <5691801d.13d4ca0a.e54ea.79a1@mx.google.com>	<CANvQTY5BmVcwi+d+mTKs3+oaod3xe5kZsa2p2xvyhE9d9_Drnw@mail.gmail.com>	<AEFDEA11BE054C5A84F4380004835F16@OwnerPC>	<CANvQTY5Ov8u2h9J9ZfWk=+-jRorrt23bSw2cV+nqi5is36Na_Q@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFja7Faaz0vdKhsHESLd-DkZTfmu3BywZ5JzjtGiAPXtKa8nUQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Sighted people have got to be good for something.  


Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 8:09 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Carly Mihalakis
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] academic library access

So, what's wrong with getting help to access website materials?
Isn't that why they made sighted people?
Don't mean snark of any kind!
CarAt 01:12 AM 1/10/2016, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Ashley and all, My university's library web site to search databases 
>is completely inaccessible with jaws and NVDA. In spite of repeatedly 
>reporting this to DS over the past
>3.5 years it still is the same. That is the biggest issue I have with 
>my situation. Usually I have to get one-on-one help from our reference 
>desk staff to find the articles or books I need.
>If it is an article that I can have emailed to me I ask the library 
>staffer to do that. If it is in print I take it downstairs to the DS 
>office for them to handle the accessibility like any other class 
>material. If it is a book I try to avoid it. My last big research 
>project that was like my major's version of a capstone required me to 
>use a book since I was studying a particular theorist, and I ended up 
>buying it in EPub form. In some ways that was nice because it was 
>already accessible on my notetaker and I would have probably bought the 
>book anyway at some point since it is not on book share and probably 
>never will be, but it's been a real pain dealing with books in other 
>projects unless I am able to find them already on book share or another 
>related service. On Saturday, January 9, 2016, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via 
>nabs-l < nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Thanks for telling me about the 
>trick with EBSCO databases! I will have to > look into it! > > On Sat, 
>Jan 9, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l < > 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > Hello Kennedy, > > > > 
>Glad you shared your thoughts. I guess we just have to do what we can 
>do > > and get help with human readers. > > Readers are great when they 
>work well and are dependable, but I've had > > many unreliable readers. 
>> > I am glad someone gets the frustration with ebsco databases. They 
>are > > terrible. What I learned from a good librarian though Ii s 
>something that > > saves me so much time. Before, I did the same search 
>in several ebsco > > databases. This librarian showed me how to search 
>all ebsco databases at > > once, or you can pick which databases you 
>desire to search by checking > the > > boxes. So, once you pick the 
>databases you want, you press a button and > it > > sets it to that 
>search. Then I limit it to certain types of articles so I > > do not 
>get hundreds of book reviews. It works great, and I wish I had > known 
>> > that before. > > I suggest that if you need many ebsco databases 
>that you have a librarian > > show you this trick. Press B to get to 
>the buttons. > > > > My experience is also that some librarians are 
>great, and some are not. > > Yeah, a mixed bag of good and bvad ones. > 
>> It takes more skills and patience to describe what they are doing, 
>and > > some do not have it.
>They typically show students what they are doing on > > the screen, and 
>since I cannot see the screen, they have to verbalize it. > > > > I was 
>researching Queen victoria, and needed biographical info not online > > 
>through databases. So, I used readers. > > I got an extension on the 
>project as I needed more time as my readers > took > > longer to find 
>the info and they cancelled sometimes on me. > > > > Well, we pretty 
>have much the same experiences.
>Man, if I ever have free > > time and find an ebsco contact for 
>accessibility, I'll write to them. > > > > Ashley > > > > -----Original
>Message----- From: STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l > > Sent: Saturday, 
>January 09, 2016 5:28 PM > > To: National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list > > Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] 
>academic library access > > > > > > Ashley, > > > > It honestly depends 
>on the type of research you are doing. You are so > right > > about the 
>Ebsco databases, though. They are a nightmare! > > > > If you're 
>looking for scinitific journal articles, I find that Google > > Scholar 
>is very > > accessable. Bookshare or Learning Allz might also be an 
>option, if > > they have the books you need. > > > > I have had both 
>good and bad experiences with librarians. And I > deffinitely > > agree 
>that it's frustrating to still need readers in this day and age! > It's 
>> > kind of redicubous! > > > > Good luck with your classes this 
>semester! > > Kennedy Stomberg > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:47 PM, 
>Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> 
>wrote: > > > > Hi, > >> If you have a Bookshare account, you could try 
>looking for the book > >> there.  If you're working on a research paper 
>of some kind, Bookshare > >> usually has some good books on the topic 
>you're researching. > >> I never used the databases in high school; do 
>you find using them > helpful? > >> Vejas > >> > >> > >> > >>
>----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;> > >> To: "National Association of 
>Blind Students mailing list" < > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;> > 
>>> Date sent:
>Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:22:05 -0500 > >> Subject: 
>[nabs-l] academic library access > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I’d like 
>to hear about the level of support and accessibility of your > >> 
>library and the resources it has. > >> I’ve written about my 
>struggles before.  The gist is that many library > >> databases have 
>access issues.  The ebsco ones are the worst.  Its hard > to > >> open 
>the pull down list of options, but I think I finally did open them > >> 
>with spacebar.  I find that databases run through Oxford and proquest > 
>are > >> generally user friendly and accessible.  Jstor is fairly 
>decent, but > seems > >> like most articles are image pdfs or display 
>on the screen as images.  I > >> kept wondering why jaws was saying 
>graphic and the next line said page
>1 > >> of > >> 5 or however many pages it was; then it occurred to me 
>that the text > must > >> be an image; so I found the pdf link to 
>download it. > >> The pdf was an image too, so I had to convert it. > 
>>> > >> Generally, when I was in the university setting, I got support 
>from the > >> reference desk.  They retrieved books for me and other 
>students had to > >> find > >> them by call number.  I got pretty much 
>the same support as other > >> students.  I was on my own with access 
>barriers.  Sometimes, I was able > to > >> get a library assistant to 
>sit down with me and look at the database and > >> then email me 
>relevant articles.  This worked much faster than jaws. > >> > >> Now, 
>to learn more, I’m taking classes at Northern virginia community > >> 
>college, nova, while looking for work. > >> > >> Many Nova reference 
>staff are great and in fact go the extra mile.  They > >> explain well 
>how to search databases.  Others seem to struggle how to > >> verbalize 
>things.  Normally, they demo the task and have the information > >> 
>seeker watch what they are doing > >> > >> 
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>Therapy President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present 
>Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts 
>Division
>2015-2016 "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 13 23:29:24 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 18:29:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the
	ADA	Internet Regulations
In-Reply-To: <000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
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	<000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
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I couldn't get it to work either.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Loren Wakefield <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
Internet Regulations

I would be more than happy to sign the petition; however, the provided link
does not seem to work.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cazares, Gabe
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
Internet Regulations

Howdy Students,

Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to urge
the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet regulations.
As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible
websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the
opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities, but
they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not only
irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights
and equality of opportunity for all Americans.

Please take a moment to sign our we the people
petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your 
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>fellow
students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching
100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are energized,
enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online content.
In addition to sharing our
petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and
other social media outlets, please personally approach 10
friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own
networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the
drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we have
done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with your
help, I know we can!
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to
see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
Talk soon,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund
campaign, please visit
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From GCazares at nfb.org  Wed Jan 13 23:35:24 2016
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:35:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
 Internet Regulations
In-Reply-To: <000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
References: <BN3PR0701MB1686DB5DA15E4D1602F859E2DECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <BN3PR0701MB16867024B952C3FEEBC8747DDECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Lauren,
Thanks for the heads up. Here is the petition URL: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations

Please let me know if this does not work either.
Best,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind


-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Wakefield [mailto:theweird1 at mediacombb.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Cazares, Gabe <GCazares at nfb.org>
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA Internet Regulations

I would be more than happy to sign the petition; however, the provided link does not seem to work.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cazares, Gabe via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA Internet Regulations

Howdy Students,

Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to urge the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet regulations.
As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities, but they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not only irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights and equality of opportunity for all Americans.

Please take a moment to sign our we the people petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your 
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>fellow
students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching
100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are energized, enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online content.
In addition to sharing our
petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and
other social media outlets, please personally approach 10 friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we have done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with your help, I know we can!
If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
Talk soon,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>

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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 00:15:20 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:15:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Solve storage issue on my IPad
In-Reply-To: <569668d6.84d80d0a.1e824.3675@mx.google.com>
References: <569668d6.84d80d0a.1e824.3675@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <284227CE-63AC-40A0-ACFD-EBA745846D75@gmail.com>

This is a little time consuming, but try doing a full backup of your iPad to your computer and then a full restore. Often times, there is information stored on iDevices that is not direct app data or audio or video content that just builds up over time. You can also incrypt the backup with a password so you have all of your app settings when you restore. Also try to download called battery doctor. This app allows you to clear unneeded app data. For example, suppose facebook is using 300 mb of information. You use clear cache with battery doctor, and it will only use about 100 mb. Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good Morning Nabs,
> 
> I hope this message finds you well.  This morning I got an alert on my IPad saying that the storage is almost full.  Last week I delted a few of the apps that I no longer need.  What can I do to solve this problem? I would really appreciate your help.
> 
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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 00:16:46 2016
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:16:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
 Internet Regulations
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR0701MB16867024B952C3FEEBC8747DDECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN3PR0701MB1686DB5DA15E4D1602F859E2DECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
	<BN3PR0701MB16867024B952C3FEEBC8747DDECB0@BN3PR0701MB1686.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ=wgVojw8S9EEKOVu2rovcvOh_h_5o+8Eo0asykLENZJ2sutA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Gabe and all,

The new link you provided worked for me.

Thank you.

Cheers,
Caitlin

On 1/13/16, Cazares, Gabe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Lauren,
> Thanks for the heads up. Here is the petition URL:
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations
>
> Please let me know if this does not work either.
> Best,
>
> ...Gabe
>
> Gabe Cazares
> Government Affairs Specialist
> National Federation of the Blind
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Loren Wakefield [mailto:theweird1 at mediacombb.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Cazares, Gabe <GCazares at nfb.org>
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
> Internet Regulations
>
> I would be more than happy to sign the petition; however, the provided link
> does not seem to work.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cazares, Gabe
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Cazares, Gabe
> Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
> Internet Regulations
>
> Howdy Students,
>
> Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to urge
> the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet regulations.
> As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible
> websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the
> opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities, but
> they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not only
> irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights
> and equality of opportunity for all Americans.
>
> Please take a moment to sign our we the people
> petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
> ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your
> ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>fellow
> students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching
> 100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are energized,
> enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online content.
> In addition to sharing our
> petition<https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
> ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and
> other social media outlets, please personally approach 10
> friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own
> networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the
> drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we have
> done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with your
> help, I know we can!
> If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to
> see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
> Talk soon,
>
> ...Gabe
>
> Gabe Cazares
> Government Affairs Specialist
> National Federation of the Blind
> 200 East Wells Street
> At Jernigan Place
> Baltimore, MD 21230
> E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
> P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
> T: @gmcazares
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund
> campaign, please visit
> www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>
>
> Disclaimer
>
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 00:31:45 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:31:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How to Solve storage issue on my IPad
Message-ID: <5696ec8e.5550620a.a5932.ffffa915@mx.google.com>

I had the exact same problem and your suggesttion worked.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Polansky via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 19:15:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to Solve storage issue on my IPad

This is a little time consuming, but try doing a full backup of 
your iPad to your computer and then a full restore.  Often times, 
there is information stored on iDevices that is not direct app 
data or audio or video content that just builds up over time.  
You can also incrypt the backup with a password so you have all 
of your app settings when you restore.  Also try to download 
called battery doctor.  This app allows you to clear unneeded app 
data.  For example, suppose facebook is using 300 mb of 
information.  You use clear cache with battery doctor, and it 
will only use about 100 mb.  Hope this helps.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:09 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Good Morning Nabs,

 I hope this message finds you well.  This morning I got an alert 
on my IPad saying that the storage is almost full.  Last week I 
delted a few of the apps that I no longer need.  What can I do to 
solve this problem? I would really appreciate your help.

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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 00:34:14 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 17:34:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rolling Bags and Navigating Open Spaces
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Message-ID: <0833A002-36A5-4EF6-871D-3822678AE62A@gmail.com>

I had a neck injury and couldn't carry much, so I tried using a rolling bag.  It is usable in the snow but not easy to roll.  You really have to pull it through the snow, it doesn't really roll.  I am not sure how it would affect your balance.  I don't think it would.  But you'd have to try it out and see.  And yes, it is quite inconvenient to not have an open hand.  When i try to carry food and coffee and a cane and roll the bag behind me, it's not easy to do, but somehow, you just have to work it out.  At least when you get on a bus or open a door, you can let go of the bag for a second as you open the door or step onto the bus and then reach back and grab the bag.  

Anna E Givens


> On Jan 13, 2016, at 9:29 AM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Elizabeth, I don't know how the rolling bag will affect your ballance, but or how it will perform in the snow because I've only used them as luggage, but perhaps you might get the type of rolling bag that also works as a backpack so when you need your hands free or have to walk through snow you can put it on your back and then go back to rolling it.  As far as open spaces, the best thing to do I find is to use a compas.  The braille ones are hard to come by these days, but the voice ones or the iphone app can work.  Know what things are on what side of the open space, and then you can keep going north or east or whatever.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:05:54 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Using Rolling Bags and Navigating Open Spaces
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I survived my first day of classes after taking some time off to deal with
> some health issues. I am really interested in this class even though I know
> it may be a bit of a challenge for me. However, I have some questions about
> using rolling bags and navigating through large open spaces.
> 
> In my hasty preparations for class, I simply through my essentials for class
> in a tote bag rather than a small bag on wheels. The tote bag was empty
> while the bag on wheels still has some things in it from when I used it over
> the holidays. However, after seeing all the snow we got for the first day of
> classes, I am wondering how easy it might be to use the bag on wheels in the
> snow. Does anyone on the email list have any experience using a bag on
> wheels?  How easy is it to maneuver the bag on wheels through the snow? I
> also have some issues with balance, and I am wondering if using the bag on
> wheels will make it more difficult for me to keep my balance. How will using
> the bag on wheels effect my balance? Since I am using a cane in one hand
> while pulling the bag on wheels with my other hand, this no longer leaves me
> a free hand to grab a hold of something like when stepping on or off the bus
> and opening a door. Does anyone have any tips or tricks for using a bag on
> wheels on a regular basis? I would appreciate any feedback on this issue.
> 
> But I could also use some advice on navigating through large open spaces. My
> college recently renovated one of its buildings, and they decided to use a
> large open floor format that I am having trouble navigating. I had someone
> show me the layout of the new building this past fall, but this was during a
> time where there were not a lot of people in it. Now that there are lots of
> people going in different directions as well as new obstacles like tables
> and chairs that were not there before, I am having a difficult time
> navigating through this large open space. If anyone has any tips or tricks
> on how to navigate through this large open space, I would greatly appreciate
> hearing from you. There are very few if any permeant landmarks in this open
> space. I would avoid this building if I could, but it contains student
> services and the only options for food on campus. I would also avoid the
> large open space area, but you need to go through it in order to get to the
> restrooms and elevator. Again, if you have any suggestions as to how I might
> be able to navigate through this large open space building, I would greatly
> appreciate hearing from you.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Thu Jan 14 02:35:51 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:35:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships Available for Legally Blind Students,
	apply by April 15, 2016
Message-ID: <SNT406-EAS2321CC1EC786F2DCE647249BCCC0@phx.gbl>

The National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota is pleased to announce
that the application window for our 2016 scholarships is open now through
April 15.  Legally blind postsecondary students attending school full-time
in Minnesota are encouraged to apply.  Find the online application and all
pertinent information at http://www.nfbmn.org.  

 

For help with the application process, please contact me:

Lori Anderson

Scholarship Committee Chair

National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota

Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com <mailto:Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com> 

612-270-4381

 

 

*** A Note from our national office:  Thirty-one scholarships will be
awarded by the National Federation of the Blind.  The deadline for NFB
applications is March 31, 2016.  Details are accessible from the main page
of the National Federation of the Blind website: https://www.nfb.org.  

 

 


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Jan 14 03:12:36 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:12:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
 Internet Regulations
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	<000601d14e58$51127df0$f33779d0$@mediacombb.net>
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It worked for me too! Yay!

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:16 PM, Keight Best via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Dear Gabe and all,
>
> The new link you provided worked for me.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Cheers,
> Caitlin
>
> On 1/13/16, Cazares, Gabe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Lauren,
> > Thanks for the heads up. Here is the petition URL:
> >
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-justice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations
> >
> > Please let me know if this does not work either.
> > Best,
> >
> > ...Gabe
> >
> > Gabe Cazares
> > Government Affairs Specialist
> > National Federation of the Blind
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Loren Wakefield [mailto:theweird1 at mediacombb.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:16 PM
> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Cazares, Gabe <GCazares at nfb.org>
> > Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
> > Internet Regulations
> >
> > I would be more than happy to sign the petition; however, the provided
> link
> > does not seem to work.
> >
> > Loren
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cazares,
> Gabe
> > via nabs-l
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 8:58 AM
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Cc: Cazares, Gabe
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Urging the Obama Administration to Release the ADA
> > Internet Regulations
> >
> > Howdy Students,
> >
> > Happy new year! As you gear up for another semester, take some time to
> urge
> > the Obama administration to promptly release the ADA internet
> regulations.
> > As students, you know first-hand the detrimental effects of inaccessible
> > websites, online platforms, etc. The Obama administration has the
> > opportunity to make a historic difference for people with disabilities,
> but
> > they are refusing to act. Sidelining these important regulations is not
> only
> > irresponsible, it undermines President Obama's commitment to civil rights
> > and equality of opportunity for all Americans.
> >
> > Please take a moment to sign our we the people
> > petition<
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
> > ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>, and encourage your
> > ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations>fellow
> > students, friends, family members, and coworkers to do the same. Reaching
> > 100,000 signatures is no small task, but I know that NABSters are
> energized,
> > enthusiastic, and passionate about securing equal access to online
> content.
> > In addition to sharing our
> > petition<
> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/direct-us-department-just
> > ice-promptly-release-ada-internet-regulations> on Facebook, Twitter, and
> > other social media outlets, please personally approach 10
> > friends/relatives/coworkers and ask them to sign and share with their own
> > networks. A little personal contact goes a long way! At the time of the
> > drafting of this Email, we are sitting at 539 signatures: look what we
> have
> > done in just a little over 24 hours! Let's make it to 1000 today, with
> your
> > help, I know we can!
> > If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out. I can't wait to
> > see many of you in D.C. in a few weeks!
> > Talk soon,
> >
> > ...Gabe
> >
> > Gabe Cazares
> > Government Affairs Specialist
> > National Federation of the Blind
> > 200 East Wells Street
> > At Jernigan Place
> > Baltimore, MD 21230
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> > P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
> > T: @gmcazares
> >
> > The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> > expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> > blindness is not what holds you back.
> >
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> > campaign, please visit
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Jan 14 03:23:40 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:23:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
In-Reply-To: <2DCD7749-51A2-4729-B202-45576456C638@gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY66r0An+Tzaj67HVV2abe-Yu+2WpuX0NFMExTu=0G-fUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DCD7749-51A2-4729-B202-45576456C638@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY6Nkda4mWqa4t0R+P=MZzD5pZjzSrCso8XEdtm3CZZixA@mail.gmail.com>

Darian,

You are absolutely right! I spoke to the president of the chapter, and she
said that she hadn't  talked to the project manager before contacting me.
She has now contacted the project manager, so I should hear back soon!

Thank you for the suggestions!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Kennedy,
>   I have done some work around construction sites.
>  Firstly,it sounds like the chapter president is speaking to perceived
> concerns. has she actually  heard legitimate concerns from the  people in
> charge of the project? or is she anticipating possible  objections to you
> being a part of the team working on the house?
>  once you get past whether or not these concerns are being felt by the
> project supervisor(s) then it might be appropriate to consider how to
> address them.
>  Generally speaking  these types of projects are designed to put to work a
> number of hands on a small number of large projects.  The people working o
> the projects are probably not going to have a great deal of experience on
> construction work and like you will need training.
>  I would start out  on a project that you feel comfortable with.
> Something  that maybe isn’t quite as challenging as maybe you might  want
> at first, but something you feel good about doing and there is a need for.
>  Say for example there is a need for people to nail down wood planks on a
> roof and there is concern about you doing this, but  there is a need for
> people to run supplies  between multiple habitat sites where your group is
> stationed.
>  It might be a good idea to help run  supplies at first and as people get
> more  comfortable with their jobs and you being a part of the effort you
> might jump in  on that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t want to
> jump  in on that project, you might try jumping in on something else  where
> you feels comfortable.
>   I hope that helps in a general sense.
>   Darian ..
>    ,     .
>    .
>
> > On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good evening,
> >
> > My college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity is taking a trip over Spring
> > Break to help build homes in West Virginia. I was recently approached by
> > the president of our chapter. She mentioned that the construction
> managers
> > might not want me to be
> > presentat the place where the home is being constructed for safety
> reasons,
> > and because I could potentially make a mistake that could seriously
> damage
> > the home. I have very limited experience  working in construction.
> >
> > So my question is, Is there anyone out there who has worked at
> construction
> > sites, or has built homes with Habitat for humanity? How were you able to
> > contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you have to overcome? Please
> > feel free to e-mail me on or off-list.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Kennedy Stomberg
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 03:36:02 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 22:36:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY6Nkda4mWqa4t0R+P=MZzD5pZjzSrCso8XEdtm3CZZixA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANvQTY66r0An+Tzaj67HVV2abe-Yu+2WpuX0NFMExTu=0G-fUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DCD7749-51A2-4729-B202-45576456C638@gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY6Nkda4mWqa4t0R+P=MZzD5pZjzSrCso8XEdtm3CZZixA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDD798A1-69FA-40E9-8AA5-461A6025F695@gmail.com>

I agree with Darian. There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to find a way to contribute, even if you aren’t swinging a hammer. 

Best of luck.


> On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:23 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Darian,
> 
> You are absolutely right! I spoke to the president of the chapter, and she
> said that she hadn't  talked to the project manager before contacting me.
> She has now contacted the project manager, so I should hear back soon!
> 
> Thank you for the suggestions!
> Kennedy Stomberg
> 
> On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kennedy,
>>  I have done some work around construction sites.
>> Firstly,it sounds like the chapter president is speaking to perceived
>> concerns. has she actually  heard legitimate concerns from the  people in
>> charge of the project? or is she anticipating possible  objections to you
>> being a part of the team working on the house?
>> once you get past whether or not these concerns are being felt by the
>> project supervisor(s) then it might be appropriate to consider how to
>> address them.
>> Generally speaking  these types of projects are designed to put to work a
>> number of hands on a small number of large projects.  The people working o
>> the projects are probably not going to have a great deal of experience on
>> construction work and like you will need training.
>> I would start out  on a project that you feel comfortable with.
>> Something  that maybe isn’t quite as challenging as maybe you might  want
>> at first, but something you feel good about doing and there is a need for.
>> Say for example there is a need for people to nail down wood planks on a
>> roof and there is concern about you doing this, but  there is a need for
>> people to run supplies  between multiple habitat sites where your group is
>> stationed.
>> It might be a good idea to help run  supplies at first and as people get
>> more  comfortable with their jobs and you being a part of the effort you
>> might jump in  on that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t want to
>> jump  in on that project, you might try jumping in on something else  where
>> you feels comfortable.
>>  I hope that helps in a general sense.
>>  Darian ..
>>   ,     .
>>   .
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2016, at 6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good evening,
>>> 
>>> My college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity is taking a trip over Spring
>>> Break to help build homes in West Virginia. I was recently approached by
>>> the president of our chapter. She mentioned that the construction
>> managers
>>> might not want me to be
>>> presentat the place where the home is being constructed for safety
>> reasons,
>>> and because I could potentially make a mistake that could seriously
>> damage
>>> the home. I have very limited experience  working in construction.
>>> 
>>> So my question is, Is there anyone out there who has worked at
>> construction
>>> sites, or has built homes with Habitat for humanity? How were you able to
>>> contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you have to overcome? Please
>>> feel free to e-mail me on or off-list.
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Kennedy Stomberg
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Jan 14 03:57:36 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:57:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about an Online Platform
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5hwsKyyJ0G4qKqgg+KFTo9fH+zGLPpa7zCc8YaRh_q1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Friends,

Does anyone on the list have experience with the program Sapling Learning?
We are using it for my Genetics course. Is it accessible? Did you face any
major challenges?

I hope to hear from you soon!
Kennedy Stomberg

From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 04:31:11 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:31:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY6Nkda4mWqa4t0R+P=MZzD5pZjzSrCso8XEdtm3CZZixA@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CANvQTY66r0An+Tzaj67HVV2abe-Yu+2WpuX0NFMExTu=0G-fUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2DCD7749-51A2-4729-B202-45576456C638@gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY6Nkda4mWqa4t0R+P=MZzD5pZjzSrCso8XEdtm3CZZixA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.246.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good evening, list,

non24-is NOT bullshit, is a very real presence 
for some of us, in fact, as was pointed out. I 
think I forgot to include, in the course of 
unleashing a sort of diatribe, the word denier, 
as in  non-24 deniers. That is the bullshit ideology of which I was speaking.
Car

via nabs-l wrote:
>Darian, You are absolutely right! I spoke to the 
>president of the chapter, and she said that she 
>hadn't  talked to the project manager before 
>contacting me. She has now contacted the project 
>manager, so I should hear back soon! Thank you 
>for the suggestions! Kennedy Stomberg On Wed, 
>Jan 13, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi Kennedy, >   I 
>have done some work around construction 
>sites. >  Firstly,it sounds like the chapter 
>president is speaking to perceived > concerns. 
>has she actually  heard legitimate concerns from 
>the  people in > charge of the project? or is 
>she anticipating possible  objections to you > 
>being a part of the team working on the 
>house? >  once you get past whether or not these 
>concerns are being felt by the > project 
>supervisor(s) then it might be appropriate to 
>consider how to > address them. >  Generally 
>speaking  these types of projects are designed 
>to put to work a > number of hands on a small 
>number of large projects.  The people working 
>o > the projects are probably not going to have 
>a great deal of experience on > construction 
>work and like you will need training. >  I would 
>start out  on a project that you feel 
>comfortable with. > Something  that maybe 
>isn’t quite as challenging as maybe you 
>might  want > at first, but something you feel 
>good about doing and there is a need for. >  Say 
>for example there is a need for people to nail 
>down wood planks on a > roof and there is 
>concern about you doing this, but  there is a 
>need for > people to run supplies  between 
>multiple habitat sites where your group is > 
>stationed. >  It might be a good idea to help 
>run  supplies at first and as people get > 
>more  comfortable with their jobs and you being 
>a part of the effort you > might jump in  on 
>that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t 
>want to > jump  in on that project, you might 
>try jumping in on something else  where > you 
>feels comfortable. >   I hope that helps in a 
>general sense. >   Darian 
>.. >    ,     . >    . > > > On Jan 12, 2016, at 
>6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l < > 
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > > > Good 
>evening, > > > > My college's chapter of Habitat 
>for Humanity is taking a trip over Spring > > 
>Break to help build homes in West Virginia. I 
>was recently approached by > > the president of 
>our chapter. She mentioned that the 
>construction > managers > > might not want me to 
>be > > presentat the place where the home is 
>being constructed for safety > reasons, > > and 
>because I could potentially make a mistake that 
>could seriously > damage > > the home. I have 
>very limited experience  working in 
>construction. > > > > So my question is, Is 
>there anyone out there who has worked at > 
>construction > > sites, or has built homes with 
>Habitat for humanity? How were you able to > > 
>contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you 
>have to overcome? Please > > feel free to e-mail 
>me on or off-list. > > > > Thank you! > > 
>Kennedy Stomberg > > 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 04:36:04 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 23:36:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
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Wrong message thread Car; Just figured I bring that to your attention.  I remember having something so important I wanted to say that I did the same thing a couple of years ago. (LOL).

 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 11:31 PM
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Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?

Good evening, list,

non24-is NOT bullshit, is a very real presence for some of us, in fact, as was pointed out. I think I forgot to include, in the course of unleashing a sort of diatribe, the word denier, as in  non-24 deniers. That is the bullshit ideology of which I was speaking.
Car

via nabs-l wrote:
>Darian, You are absolutely right! I spoke to the president of the 
>chapter, and she said that she hadn't  talked to the project manager 
>before contacting me. She has now contacted the project manager, so I 
>should hear back soon! Thank you for the suggestions! Kennedy Stomberg 
>On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hi Kennedy, >   I 
>have done some work around construction sites. >  Firstly,it sounds 
>like the chapter president is speaking to perceived > concerns.
>has she actually  heard legitimate concerns from the  people in > 
>charge of the project? or is she anticipating possible  objections to 
>you > being a part of the team working on the house? >  once you get 
>past whether or not these concerns are being felt by the > project
>supervisor(s) then it might be appropriate to consider how to > address 
>them. >  Generally speaking  these types of projects are designed to 
>put to work a > number of hands on a small number of large projects.  
>The people working o > the projects are probably not going to have a 
>great deal of experience on > construction work and like you will need 
>training. >  I would start out  on a project that you feel comfortable 
>with. > Something  that maybe isn’t quite as challenging as maybe you 
>might  want > at first, but something you feel good about doing and 
>there is a need for. >  Say for example there is a need for people to 
>nail down wood planks on a > roof and there is concern about you doing 
>this, but  there is a need for > people to run supplies  between 
>multiple habitat sites where your group is > stationed. >  It might be 
>a good idea to help run  supplies at first and as people get > more  
>comfortable with their jobs and you being a part of the effort you > 
>might jump in  on that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t want 
>to > jump  in on that project, you might try jumping in on something 
>else  where > you
>feels comfortable. >   I hope that helps in a 
>general sense. >   Darian 
>.. >    ,     . >    . > > > On Jan 12, 2016, at 
>6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > 
>> > Good evening, > > > > My college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity 
>is taking a trip over Spring > > Break to help build homes in West 
>Virginia. I was recently approached by > > the president of our 
>chapter. She mentioned that the construction > managers > > might not 
>want me to be > > presentat the place where the home is being 
>constructed for safety > reasons, > > and because I could potentially 
>make a mistake that could seriously > damage > > the home. I have very 
>limited experience  working in construction. > > > > So my question is, 
>Is there anyone out there who has worked at > construction > > sites, 
>or has built homes with Habitat for humanity? How were you able to > > 
>contribute? What barriers or obstacles did you have to overcome? Please 
>> > feel free to e-mail me on or off-list. > > > > Thank you! > > 
>Kennedy Stomberg > > _______________________________________________ >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 14 04:40:44 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:40:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience working at Construction Sites?
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Guess laziness precluded prevented my tracking down the original.
Sorry, guys!
Car 36 PM 1/13/2016, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>Wrong message thread Car; Just figured I bring 
>that to your attention.  I remember having 
>something so important I wanted to say that I 
>did the same thing a couple of years ago. (LOL). 
>Justin -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l Sent: Wednesday, 
>January 13, 2016 11:31 PM To: National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; National Association of 
>Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> 
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone with Experience 
>working at Construction Sites? Good evening, 
>list, non24-is NOT bullshit, is a very real 
>presence for some of us, in fact, as was pointed 
>out. I think I forgot to include, in the course 
>of unleashing a sort of diatribe, the word 
>denier, as in  non-24 deniers. That is the 
>bullshit ideology of which I was speaking. Car 
>via nabs-l wrote: >Darian, You are absolutely 
>right! I spoke to the president of the >chapter, 
>and she said that she hadn't  talked to the 
>project manager >before contacting me. She has 
>now contacted the project manager, so I >should 
>hear back soon! Thank you for the suggestions! 
>Kennedy Stomberg >On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 1:58 
>PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l ><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Hi Kennedy, >   I >have done some work 
>around construction sites. >  Firstly,it 
>sounds >like the chapter president is speaking 
>to perceived > concerns. >has she 
>actually  heard legitimate concerns from 
>the  people in > >charge of the project? or is 
>she anticipating possible  objections to >you > 
>being a part of the team working on the 
>house? >  once you get >past whether or not 
>these concerns are being felt by the > 
>project >supervisor(s) then it might be 
>appropriate to consider how to > 
>address >them. >  Generally speaking  these 
>types of projects are designed to >put to work 
>a > number of hands on a small number of large 
>projects.  >The people working o > the projects 
>are probably not going to have a >great deal of 
>experience on > construction work and like you 
>will need >training. >  I would start out  on a 
>project that you feel comfortable >with. > 
>Something  that maybe isn’t quite as cs 
>challenging as maybe you >might  want > at 
>first, but something you feel good about doing 
>and >there is a need for. >  Say for example 
>there is a need for people to >nail down wood 
>planks on a > roof and there is concern about 
>you doing >this, but  there is a need for > 
>people to run supplies  between >multiple 
>habitat sites where your group is > 
>stationed. >  It might be >a good idea to help 
>run  supplies at first and as people get > 
>more  >comfortable with their jobs and you being 
>a part of the effort you > >might jump in  on 
>that roof project if you wanted. If you don’t 
>want >to > jump  in on that projroject, you 
>might try jumping in on something >else  where > 
>you >feels comfortable. >   I hope that helps in 
>a >general 
>sense. >   Darian >.. >    ,     . >    . > > > 
>On Jan 12, 2016, at >6:02 PM, STOMBERG, KENNEDY 
>via nabs-l < > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > > >> > Good evening, > > > > My 
>college's chapter of Habitat for Humanity >is 
>taking a trip over Spring > > Break to help 
>build homes in West >Virginia. I was recently 
>approached by > > the president of our >chapter. 
>She mentioned that the construction > 
>managers > > might not >want me to be > > 
>presentat the place where the home is 
>being >constructed for safety > reasons, > > and 
>because I could potentially >make a mistake that 
>could seriously > damage > > the home. I have 
>very >limited experience  working in 
>construction. > > > > So my question is, >Is 
>there anyone out there who has worked at > 
>construction > > sites, >or has built homes with 
>Habitat for humanity? How were you able 
>to > > >contribute? What barriers or obstacles 
>did you have to overcome? Please >> > feel free 
>to e-mail me on or off-list. > > > > Thank 
>you! > > >Kennedy Stomberg > > 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 05:40:20 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 00:40:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Sense U2
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Hi, Julie,

I do not have the U2, but I do have the On-Hand which is the prototype
of the U2 mini.  I've had it since just before college and I love it.
I find the layout very similar to windows and remember it being easy
to learn.  I have used the email client successfully before, as well
as poked around on the facebook and twitter functions.  The quick
browser is also something I use a decent amount of time when at home
with the ability to access it (I cannot access the wifi on it at my
college).

I haven't needed to work with foreign language support, but I have had
fewer crashes than I had with my previous BrailleNotes.  I also
appreciate that HIMS has made it possible for us to update our own
software.  Perhaps Humanware has in the last few years as well, but I
remember being very pleased when I was able to upgrade my firmware on
my own instead of having to send my unit away to have HIMS do it for
me.  For me, I think switching was a good decision.

Hope this helps,

On 1/13/16, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi student friends,
>
> I am looking into getting a new note taker as my beloved Braille Note
> is 6 years old!  Yeah, it's been through a lot with me.  It needs
> cleaning more and more often, and though I love it, I know I will have
> to replace it sooner or later.  I am a heavy note taker user and would
> love to have a working backup.  Anyway, I am seriously considering the
> Braille Sense U2.
>
> My questions: what are your honest recommendations?  For those of you
> who use the Braille Sense, have you found it to be efficient and
> stable?  Do you use the clients-email, Facebook, Youtube, etc?  What
> don't you like about the device?  Do any of you use the Braille Sense
> with different languages?  If so, do they work well?  The Braille Note
> supports French, German, and Italian-the languages I have studied, but
> it refuses to set documents in those languages when I choose them.
>
> Any other thoughts on note takers?  I want to be thorough here.  Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Thu Jan 14 06:58:22 2016
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 07:58:22 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
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BS'D

Thank you all for the information; now, I've something to work with.

LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

> Le 30 déc. 2015 à 00:20, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> a écrit :
> 
> Hi there Leye,
> 
> Convention is definitely manageable on a budget. I flew there from Massachusets this past July, if you buy your tickets early enough, flights from Boston are very cheap. I believe I paid about $350 round trip, and most people can find them cheaper than that. The hotel is usually about $100 per night after taxes, and if you have roommates (generally up to 4 roommates in a room) you can pay around $25 a night for your room with room mates. You can expect to spend about $100 on food if you will be eating in the restaurant at all, and there are grocery stores within walking distance which would allow you to keep kosher. The other costs of convention include your registration fee which is usually $50-$60, and your banquet ticket which is around the same price I think. 
> 
> You can find all of this information and more on NFB's official site, (www.nfb.org/convention). 
> 
> I hope that helps. 
> 
> Meaghan 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> BS'D
>> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> I have tried to find information about the cost of going to convention. I am not a NFB member; I am not even American, but I have wanted to experience a NFB convention since I was little because your view on Blindness speak to me more than the philosophy which the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired has. However, I wonder if someone will share their average cost and ideas for doing the convention on a budget? The big costs are travel, hotel and food; does the convention itself has any cost? How is it if you keep kosher, can you find kosher food? That was the questions for tonight.
>> 
>> LeSholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> LeSholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 14 16:01:57 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 10:01:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Job Vacancies - VA Dept f/t Blind & Vision Impaired
 and VA Rehab Center f/t Blind & Vision Impaired
Message-ID: <auto-000047836533@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Hi everyone,
>
>Please find below the current list of jobs in recruitment at the 
>Virginia Department for the Blind and Vision Impaired.  Here at the 
>Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the Blind and Vision Impaired, we 
>have two job openings listed, one for an orientation and mobility 
>specialist and the other for a keyboarding instructor.
>
>If you would like further information on these positions, please let 
>me know.  My phone number is 804-371-3323.
>
>I would appreciate your help in getting the word out to anyone who 
>may be interested.
>
>Thank you for your assistance.
>
>Have a great day!
>
>Melody
>
>
>From: Robinson, Joann (DARS)
>Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:22 PM
>To: ~ All DBVI Staff (DBVI)
>Subject: Job Vacancies - VA Dept f/t Blind & Vision Impaired and VA 
>Rehab Center f/t Blind & Vision Impaired
>
>
>Good afternoon,
>
>Listed below are positions with the Virginia Department for the 
>Blind and Vision Impaired and the Virginia Rehabilitation Center for 
>the Blind and Vision Impaired.  These positions may be accessed 
>directly in the Recruitment Management System (RMS) by clicking on 
>the Quicklink. If you have recently updated your application in the 
>RMS, applying for the position will be very streamlined and take 
>only a few minutes. If you have not yet completed your online 
>application in the RMS, you may visit 
><https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com>https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com 
>to begin the process or simply click on the Quicklink below. While 
>the system will not allow you to apply until you have established 
>your application, you will be able to access the application through 
>this site.
>
>Please be aware that we ONLY accept fully completed RMS online 
>applications (required) and applications only are accepted for 
>advertised vacancies. Job postings close at 11:59 p.m. on the 
>closing date.  Please pay close attention to the job posting 
>requirements as some require submission of college or university 
>transcripts or professional certifications. The transcripts or 
>certifications may be scanned and attached to your online 
>applications, faxed, or mailed to the job posting contact.  Please 
>review the posting for any special requirements or instructions as 
>well as information related to barrier crimes for specific positions.
>
>
>Agency:                      Virginia Department for the Blind and 
>Vision Impaired
>
>Job Title:                    Director of Vocational Rehabilitation Services
>
>Location:                    Henrico
>
>Position #:                  00022
>
>Closing Date:             Open Until Filled
>
>Quicklink: 
><https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/29646>https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/29646
>
>
>Agency:                     Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the 
>Blind and Vision Impaired
>Job Title:                    Orientation and Mobility Instructor
>Location:                    Henrico
>Position #:                  00044
>Closing Date:             Open Until Filled
>Quicklink: 
><https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/28116>https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/28116
>
>Agency:                     Virginia Rehabilitation Center for the 
>Blind and Vision Impaired
>Job Title:                    Keyboarding/Computer Instructor
>Location:                    Henrico
>Position #:                  00037
>Closing Date:             01/23/2016
>Quicklink: 
><https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/32054>https://virginiajobs.peopleadmin.com/postings/32054
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Joann Robinson, SPHR
>
>HR Manager
>
>Human Resources
>
>8004 Franklin Farms Drive
>
>Richmond, VA  23229
>
>804-662-7175
>
>804-662-7662 fax
>
><mailto:Joann.Robinson at drs.virginia.gov>Joann.Robinson at drs.virginia.gov
>
>www.vdbvi.org
>

From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Jan 14 23:18:12 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:18:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Spanish Translation
Message-ID: <420E4E8F-F018-4156-855B-3F9372E2430B@icloud.com>

Sammi,
I deleted your original message, so I am starting a new thread. At national convention, there is a comittee to translate convention sessions. If you are going to national convention and are interested, you can email Conchita Hernandez Legorreta at hernandezlegorreta at gmail.com.
Best,
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad

From bestca21 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 02:29:29 2016
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 18:29:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphic Novels
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbFW_yZn08DXsmq2upCOfMCQdmZ_pLwEH-ubWDzVWaT7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <98BA5588-22C2-4CE1-81BE-DD3E95FCC301@icloud.com>
	<CAFja7FbFW_yZn08DXsmq2upCOfMCQdmZ_pLwEH-ubWDzVWaT7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello,

I did some searching around and found this lovely site that I hae only
heard good things about called graphic audio.
https://www.graphicaudio.net/

Also, there is comics empower: www.comicsempower.com/ Mainly, Comics
Empower does their own comics as of right now and are looking to
further their horizons. However, I'm sure Guy might be able to help
you if you asked. I have had a few email correspondence with him and
he is extremely nice.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Caitlin

On 1/10/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Mikayla,
>
> I had to read a graphic novel last school year for an English class on
> superheroes and villains that I was taking.  The book we read was
> called "The Watchman," and it is kind of a cult classic.  Thankfully,
> there is a movie version of the graphic novel that I was able to use
> to "read" the book.  The professor thought it was a fair accommodation
> since getting a graphic novel converted into accessible formats would
> have taken tons of time, even considering that this was a fall
> semester class and I submitted my book requests in May.  I was able to
> follow what was going on from the dialog alone pretty well, but the
> professor was willing to answer any questions I had about visual
> elements or to help clarify something if I missed out on information
> in the pictures.  I think it will depend on how visual/descriptive
> your graphic novel is, so talking with your teacher/prof would be
> helpful.  There also might be a movie created of it.  I was able to
> find clips for each chapter of Watchman on youtube, so that might be
> worth looking into as well.
>
> Also, wasn't there an email circulated about a site that now produces
> commics for blind people?  I don't recall what it was called, but it
> might be worth talking to the folks there to see if they either have
> the book you need or can offer further suggestions.
>
> HTH,
> Kaiti
>
> On 1/10/16, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi, all,
>> Next simester, I have to read a graphic novel in English class. It is a
>> world literature class, and we will be reading Persepolis. I checked
>> Bookshare, but they do not have it. What are your experiences reading
>> graphic novils? This will be my first time reading one. Thanks for any
>> help.
>> Best,
>> Mikayla
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>
> --
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> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 13:44:54 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 08:44:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
Message-ID: <5698f800.4350810a.c1bfd.ffffcac8@mx.google.com>

Hi Dave thanks for your message.  Does the cost of convention 
decrease for those who live in Orlando since they can take public 
transportation to get to the hotel where convention is being 
held?


From CDanielsen at nfb.org  Fri Jan 15 15:38:38 2016
From: CDanielsen at nfb.org (Danielsen, Chris)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:38:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcement NIB fellowship program
Message-ID: <auto-000047331129@mailfront2.g2host.com>



APPLICATIONS  FOR NIB FELLOWSHIP  NOW  BEING  ACCEPTED

National Industries for the Blind is accepting applications for 
Fellowship for Leadership Development. The Fellowship combines 
business-focused, on-the-job experience with professional development 
activities. If you are legally blind and have an undergraduate degree 
or higher, work experience, and passion for business, you are invited 
to apply for this salaried program.

Fellows are selected based on experience, competence, academic 
achievement, motivation, references and interviews. Successful 
fellows have landed managerial positions in the NIB network of 
associated nonprofit businesses as well as the broader business community.

To apply, click on 
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Or go to <http://www.nib.org>www.nib.org and follow the links to the 
Business Leaders Program section.

Applications are being accepted now through February 12, 2016. For 
questions, contact Karen Pal, at 
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Subject: Announcement



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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 01:59:55 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 17:59:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] ios 9.3 beta 1
Message-ID: <5699a43d.68a1420a.93a82.ffff9530@mx.google.com>

Hi, I installed ios 9.3 beta 1 on my iphone 5.  Then it wouldn't 
connect with my braillenote.  I did a full restore and it solved 
the problem.  But when I go to software updates, then it says 
that 9.2 is the latest version.  I dont get this.  How do I 
install this as a clean install?


From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 02:11:27 2016
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:11:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Apps
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS11F3CECBF2ABC05DBC5E3BBFCE0@phx.gbl>

Hi,
I’m wondering who to contact so that the NFB can make a regulation that private app developers must make their apps completely accessible with VoiceOver? It’s to bad that many apps are not accessible. It would be great if the NFB could convince apple to implement some sort of regulation to app developers.
Ian

From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 02:18:24 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 18:18:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Apps
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS11F3CECBF2ABC05DBC5E3BBFCE0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS11F3CECBF2ABC05DBC5E3BBFCE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.248.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Ian,

Keep dreamin'!
CarAt 06:11 PM 1/15/2016, Ian Perrault via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi, I’m wondering who to contact so that the 
>NFB can make a regulation that private app 
>developers must make their apps completely 
>accessible with VoiceOver? It’s to bad that 
>many apps are not accessible. It would be great 
>if the NFB could convince apple to implement 
>some sort of regulation to app developers. Ian 
>_______________________________________________ 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 02:39:30 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 21:39:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ios 9.3 beta 1
In-Reply-To: <5699a43d.68a1420a.93a82.ffff9530@mx.google.com>
References: <5699a43d.68a1420a.93a82.ffff9530@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <AB3E40B4-3540-4FA9-A489-BE3A9D632AB5@gmail.com>

Hi, I'm  interested in b ring an apple Beta tester. Specially for 9.3  update! What is the process in doing so? And do I need to be active every time on it? I' just wondering since I'm studying in University! And I know that I need to have a device that I use but  It is not the one I use often right? And I do have an iPod touch 6 generation which. I will like to tested on guys! I will really like some informatio about this matter! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and  God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:59 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I installed ios 9.3 beta 1 on my iphone 5.  Then it wouldn't connect with my braillenote.  I did a full restore and it solved the problem.  But when I go to software updates, then it says that 9.2 is the latest version.  I dont get this.  How do I install this as a clean install?
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 05:13:54 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 00:13:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Apps
Message-ID: <5699d198.84c00d0a.733f1.6dfb@mx.google.com>

The=20NFB=20doesn't=20have=20that=20kind=20of=20power.=20=20All=20we=20can=
=20do=20is=20ask=20
Apple=20to=20put=20this=20in=20their=20requirements=20for=20apps,=20which=20=
we've=20
done=20with=20resolutions=20at=20the=20last=20few=20conventions.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ian=20Perrault=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20"National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students"=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org=

Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2015=20Jan=202016=2021:11:27=20-0500
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Accessible=20Apps

Hi,
I=E2=80=99m=20wondering=20who=20to=20contact=20so=20that=20the=20NFB=20can=
=20make=20a=20
regulation=20that=20private=20app=20developers=20must=20make=20their=20apps=
=20
completely=20accessible=20with=20VoiceOver?=20It=E2=80=99s=20to=20bad=20tha=
t=20many=20
apps=20are=20not=20accessible.=20It=20would=20be=20great=20if=20the=20NFB=20=
could=20
convince=20apple=20to=20implement=20some=20sort=20of=20regulation=20to=20ap=
p=20
developers.
Ian
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To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 06:22:52 2016
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 22:22:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Apps
References: <BLU175-DS11F3CECBF2ABC05DBC5E3BBFCE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20160115221602.16e9c248@comcast.net>

Am I wrong, but I was under the impression the 
NFB once issued a Resolution at one of their 
NationalConventions, which requested that Apple 
only approve iOSApps, which are accessible to 
all. Am I InCorrect about this Resolution? I 
think it was a couple of years ago.

This isn't impossible, it will only require more 
work of Apple's iOSDevelopers to ensure their 
iOSApps are as accessible as can be. MayBe Apple 
can provide its iOSAppDevelopers GuideLines to do 
so. Nothing is impossible, it simply takes a 
creative mind to figure out how to make iOSApps, 
which aren't viewed as being accessible to all, accessible to all.

If you don't believe me, who would of thought of 
DriverLess Vehicles or TheAbility to use a 
TouchScreen by the TotallyBlind & LowVision or 
Other DisabledPopulations besides me OfCourse
At 06:18 PM 1/15/2016, you wrote:
>Evening, Ian,
>
>Keep dreamin'!
>CarAt 06:11 PM 1/15/2016, Ian Perrault via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi, I’m wondering who to contact so that the 
>>NFB can make a regulation that private app 
>>developers must make their apps completely 
>>accessible with VoiceOver? It’s to bad that 
>>many apps are not accessible. It would be great 
>>if the NFB could convince apple to implement 
>>some sort of regulation to app developers. Ian 
>>_______________________________________________ 
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>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org 
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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 17:06:16 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 12:06:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ios 9.3 beta 1
In-Reply-To: <5699a43d.68a1420a.93a82.ffff9530@mx.google.com>
References: <5699a43d.68a1420a.93a82.ffff9530@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9109267C-9F6F-407B-AA21-BF172688AA1E@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 15, 2016, at 8:59 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I installed ios 9.3 beta 1 on my iphone 5.  Then it wouldn't connect with my braillenote.  I did a full restore and it solved the problem.  But when I go to software updates, then it says that 9.2 is the latest version.  I dont get this.  How do I install this as a clean install?
> 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 23:00:32 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:00:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
Message-ID: <569acbbc.d511810a.1f9f3.ffffebf2@mx.google.com>

I use a braillenote apex, and Bookshare no longer works on it. I 
log in and type the name of a book into the search field, and 
when the search results page comes up, the results are not links. 
They are just in a list format, and I can't click any of them. Is 
anyone else having this problem with Bookshare on the 
braillenote? Does anyone have any suggestions?


From lucysirianni at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 23:25:15 2016
From: lucysirianni at gmail.com (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:25:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
In-Reply-To: <569acbbc.d511810a.1f9f3.ffffebf2@mx.google.com>
References: <569acbbc.d511810a.1f9f3.ffffebf2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACa2spRVE0WBx7WcoSokTVLfky8FSCAs8O_K5KnLpVgmG6mbXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sophie,

I just checked, and Bookshare is working for me on my BrailleNote Apex
running the latest version of KeySoft. One thought: have you made sure
that your scripting is disabled by pressing backspace with o for the
internet options menu, then R for "Review browser scripting settings,"
and finally Y? I don't know if this will fix the problem, but I do
know scripting settings can make a big difference with the Apex's
ability to interface with the latest version of Bookshare.

Hope this helps!

Lucy

On 1/16/16, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I use a braillenote apex, and Bookshare no longer works on it. I
> log in and type the name of a book into the search field, and
> when the search results page comes up, the results are not links.
> They are just in a list format, and I can't click any of them. Is
> anyone else having this problem with Bookshare on the
> braillenote? Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 00:25:31 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 19:25:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
Message-ID: <569adf81.05d30d0a.748e8.5769@mx.google.com>

Bookshare is working fine for me.  You might try reanalysing the 
page.  A lot of times when links aren't displaying as links that 
helps.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:00:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex

I use a braillenote apex, and Bookshare no longer works on it. I
log in and type the name of a book into the search field, and
when the search results page comes up, the results are not links.
They are just in a list format, and I can't click any of them. Is
anyone else having this problem with Bookshare on the
braillenote? Does anyone have any suggestions?

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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sun Jan 17 00:39:16 2016
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:39:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
Message-ID: <0O12003XIN5HW681@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Sophie,

That also happens to me a lot on my Apex, and what I do is I 
re-initialize the webpage with Backspace R.  It is successful in 
loading the entire webpage when not on the first try most of the 
time.
Hope this helps,

Sami

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:00:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex

I use a braillenote apex, and Bookshare no longer works on it.  I
log in and type the name of a book into the search field, and
when the search results page comes up, the results are not links.
They are just in a list format, and I can't click any of them.  
Is
anyone else having this problem with Bookshare on the
braillenote? Does anyone have any suggestions?

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From carlos.montas at att.net  Sun Jan 17 13:16:54 2016
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:16:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
In-Reply-To: <569acbbc.d511810a.1f9f3.ffffebf2@mx.google.com>
References: <569acbbc.d511810a.1f9f3.ffffebf2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FAA7CD67-F9F1-48EC-A33B-1DC9C7233BA0@att.net>

Good morning my name is Carlos Montas.  I was wondering if someone could write to me off list and walk me through the steps of using bookshare on the Braille note?   In terms of downloading and also I would like to know which format is better brf or the daisy format?  I appreciate  the help. May you all have a great Sunday. 

From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 17 19:21:28 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 14:21:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
Message-ID: <569be9c1.4386810a.5aa8c.ffff938f@mx.google.com>

Carlos, we don't have access to your e-mail to write you off 
list.  Downloading is really easy.  I've never worked with DAISY 
because the files are so large, but as far as BRF, just click the 
download button on the website and you'll be asked what directory 
to put the file in.  Then after it's done downloading go into the 
file manager and either use the unzip utility or go into browse 
files.  Either way, go to where the zip file you've downloaded 
is, and press enter on the file.  It will ask you some things 
like what directory you want to unpack the file into and whether 
you want to delete the zip file once it's unpacked.  Also, it 
will ask you for a password, but bookshare files aren't password 
protected, so just press enter.  Once you're done, you will have 
a BRF file you can read.  Bookshare allows you to set the grade 
of braille and display size you want to read on, so set these to 
fit with the model Braillenote you're using.  I like to set files 
to grade one because when I read them with speech it works better 
because it doesn't have to deal with ambiguous contractions.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carlos Montas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:16:54 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex

Good morning my name is Carlos Montas.  I was wondering if 
someone could write to me off list and walk me through the steps 
of using bookshare on the Braille note?   In terms of downloading 
and also I would like to know which format is better brf or the 
daisy format?  I appreciate  the help. May you all have a great 
Sunday.
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jan 18 02:13:58 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:13:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility Question
Message-ID: <77B4A177-241A-4582-9E63-463E3A3C9423@icloud.com>

 Hi all,
I am having accessibility problems with my church blog where they post announcements and when they need help. I am using Voiceover, and when I touch where the text should be, it says image. I want to talk to the church about it, but would like to have a good grasp of the issue first. Since it says image, I am assuming that they scanned it from one of their flyers, or is there another possible reason. Also, besides typing it all, is there another way that they could fix the problem? Let me know if you would like me to send a link to one of their posts. I just started going to this church as I just recently moved to a new state. This church seems like they would be willing to help, so I want to make them feel as comfortable as possible with doing what needs to be done, even possibly helping out. i just discovered the inaccessibility tonight, and am still figuring out my course of action. Any help would be apriciated. There is only one other blind parisioner, and she does not use a cane and is just learning to use an Iphone. Her husband guides her around. As you can tell, I am the only one of us who is tech savy. I just met her today as well. Thank you again.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Jan 18 02:22:28 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 02:22:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility Question
In-Reply-To: <77B4A177-241A-4582-9E63-463E3A3C9423@icloud.com>
References: <77B4A177-241A-4582-9E63-463E3A3C9423@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB09649D1B59EF42350C55B8E8CEC00@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello Michaela, I would love to look at this with you and help you troubleshoot the issues. So I suggest you send me at least one of the post office list, and then contact me via phone so that I can explain to you how to work their website. Because it might save image, but there might be some text below that or you may have to double tap on the image in order to get to the text file. But I will gladly look at it for you and let you know my findings dia us talking about it and me explaining it to you.me<http://you.me>. My email and contact info are below my signature.
Joseph Hudson
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On Jan 17, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi all,
I am having accessibility problems with my church blog where they post announcements and when they need help. I am using Voiceover, and when I touch where the text should be, it says image. I want to talk to the church about it, but would like to have a good grasp of the issue first. Since it says image, I am assuming that they scanned it from one of their flyers, or is there another possible reason. Also, besides typing it all, is there another way that they could fix the problem? Let me know if you would like me to send a link to one of their posts. I just started going to this church as I just recently moved to a new state. This church seems like they would be willing to help, so I want to make them feel as comfortable as possible with doing what needs to be done, even possibly helping out. i just discovered the inaccessibility tonight, and am still figuring out my course of action. Any help would be apriciated. There is only one other blind parisioner, and she does not use a cane and is just learning to use an Iphone. Her husband guides her around. As you can tell, I am the only one of us who is tech savy. I just met her today as well. Thank you again.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Mon Jan 18 12:39:13 2016
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:39:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
In-Reply-To: <569be9c1.4386810a.5aa8c.ffff938f@mx.google.com>
References: <569be9c1.4386810a.5aa8c.ffff938f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <87161800-4772-4D80-96F5-CEFCAEDEA4FA@att.net>

Good morning thanks so much for your help. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Carlos, we don't have access to your e-mail to write you off list.  Downloading is really easy.  I've never worked with DAISY because the files are so large, but as far as BRF, just click the download button on the website and you'll be asked what directory to put the file in.  Then after it's done downloading go into the file manager and either use the unzip utility or go into browse files.  Either way, go to where the zip file you've downloaded is, and press enter on the file.  It will ask you some things like what directory you want to unpack the file into and whether you want to delete the zip file once it's unpacked.  Also, it will ask you for a password, but bookshare files aren't password protected, so just press enter.  Once you're done, you will have a BRF file you can read.  Bookshare allows you to set the grade of braille and display size you want to read on, so set these to fit with the model Braillenote you're using.  I like to set files to grade one because when I read them with speech it works better because it doesn't have to deal with ambiguous contractions.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carlos Montas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 08:16:54 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] problem with Bookshare on braillenote apex
> 
> Good morning my name is Carlos Montas.  I was wondering if someone could write to me off list and walk me through the steps of using bookshare on the Braille note?   In terms of downloading and also I would like to know which format is better brf or the daisy format?  I appreciate  the help. May you all have a great Sunday.
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From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 14:53:38 2016
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 09:53:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems accessing FaceBook and Bookshare on my Braille
	Sense U2 Mini
Message-ID: <CACNPAB5ReQ960K2eQcAb2CfrCqv6vLpnWThidF+U2NgRG6Bbhw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS,
I received a Braille Sense U2 Mini recently, and while I am loving it
so far, I am experiencing issues accessing the Facebook and bookshare
features of the unit. When I try signing in to Facebook and bookshare
the u2 keeps saying “signing in please wait.” It eventually ends up
freezing and I have to reset it. I have tried disconnecting and
reconnecting to Wi-Fi, removing the battery, and toggling the wireless
feature of the note taker on and off without any luck. Is anyone else
experiencing the same difficulties? I’d appreciate any feedback or
thoughts as to how I can resolve these problems.
Thanks, Kayla
-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From dandrews at visi.com  Mon Jan 18 14:36:15 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:36:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Awards for Students
Message-ID: <auto-000048109245@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>>Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>From: Yevgen Borodin 
>><<mailto:borodin at cs.stonybrook.edu>borodin at cs.stonybrook.edu>
>>Subject: Could you possibly announce these awards?
>>Date: January 16, 2016 at 1:16:45 PM CST
>>To: <mailto:gregg at raisingthefloor.org>gregg at raisingthefloor.org
>>
>>Dear Greg,
>>
>>I was wondering if you could possibly announce 
>>these students' awards through your channels?
>>
>>The IBM's award offers a full coverage 
>>scholarship to students with disabilities to 
>>attend the International Web for All conference 
>>in Montreal, Canada on 11–13, April 2016. There 
>>is also a $1,000 Google's award for any 
>>Docttoral students doing Accessibility research 
>>to participate in the Doctoral Consortium.
>>
>>We have extended the deadline for these two 
>>Students' awards till January 31st:
>>IBM's award: 
>><http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/ibm-people-with-disabilities-award/>http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/ibm-people-with-disabilities-award/
>>Google's award: 
>><http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/google-doctoral-consortium/>http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/google-doctoral-consortium/
>>
>>Thank you,
>>Yevgen
>
>         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:06:29 2016
From: kaylaweathers51590 at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 10:06:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems Accessing bookshare and face book on my Braille
	Sense U2 Mini
Message-ID: <CACNPAB5X0U2SpN6iO9gQzoAxmm-v4i3mtX3mg=POqCcdU00YeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS,
I received a Braille Sense U2 Mini recently, and while I am loving it
so far, I am experiencing issues accessing the Facebook and bookshare
features of the unit. When I try signing in to Facebook and bookshare
the u2 keeps saying “signing in please wait.” It eventually ends up
freezing and I have to reset it. I have tried disconnecting and
reconnecting to Wi-Fi, removing the battery, and toggling the wireless
feature of the note taker on and off without any luck. Is anyone else
experiencing the same difficulties? I’d appreciate any feedback or
thoughts as to how I can resolve these problems.
Thanks, Kayla

-- 
Kayla Weathers.
B.A. English Literature
Dalton State College


From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 15:55:26 2016
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:55:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems Accessing bookshare and face book on my
	Braille Sense U2 Mini
In-Reply-To: <CACNPAB5X0U2SpN6iO9gQzoAxmm-v4i3mtX3mg=POqCcdU00YeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACNPAB5X0U2SpN6iO9gQzoAxmm-v4i3mtX3mg=POqCcdU00YeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFFBB487-4A8D-49F8-A8B0-66F06398094B@gmail.com>

Hello I too had issues with the bookshare features of my braille sense you2 mini when I first got it. They were because I hadn't signed in propperly with computer braille. I don't know if this is the case here' but you might try starting bookshare while the wireless is off, then toggling it off and on again. This tricked it into letting me back into the username and password feilds. 
Hope this is helpful. 
Jessica 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:06 AM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS,
> I received a Braille Sense U2 Mini recently, and while I am loving it
> so far, I am experiencing issues accessing the Facebook and bookshare
> features of the unit. When I try signing in to Facebook and bookshare
> the u2 keeps saying “signing in please wait.” It eventually ends up
> freezing and I have to reset it. I have tried disconnecting and
> reconnecting to Wi-Fi, removing the battery, and toggling the wireless
> feature of the note taker on and off without any luck. Is anyone else
> experiencing the same difficulties? I’d appreciate any feedback or
> thoughts as to how I can resolve these problems.
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
> -- 
> Kayla Weathers.
> B.A. English Literature
> Dalton State College
> 
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From royal.shakita at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:22:51 2016
From: royal.shakita at gmail.com (royal.shakita at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:22:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Disabling captcha on Reddit
Message-ID: <17EEB452-06CE-4F3D-93FE-06C91ED90424@gmail.com>

Hello all. I am a member of Reddit and I want to post to certain forums but I cannot because of the captcha and it is only visual. I tried emailing them at contact at reddit.com 
And I have gotten no response. Is this not the correct email to contact them? I'm just emailing them to ask them if they could disable this. If I am using the incorrect email, could someone give me the correct email address? Thanks

From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Jan 18 18:27:43 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:27:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems Accessing bookshare and face book on my
	Braille Sense U2 Mini
In-Reply-To: <EFFBB487-4A8D-49F8-A8B0-66F06398094B@gmail.com>
References: <CACNPAB5X0U2SpN6iO9gQzoAxmm-v4i3mtX3mg=POqCcdU00YeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EFFBB487-4A8D-49F8-A8B0-66F06398094B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <722875CF-5D1E-4733-82B0-68381C156D45@gmail.com>

First, I would make sure that your software is up to date. You can check this with space with v from the start menu. Version 8.5 is the latest. By default, you don't need to use computer braille at all in this upgrade. You can use regular contracted braille to type in your user name and password and the number sign with literary numbers. You can update the software for free on line. Let me know if you need instructions for doing this..
Hope this helps
Jason Polansky...

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2016, at 10:55 AM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello I too had issues with the bookshare features of my braille sense you2 mini when I first got it. They were because I hadn't signed in propperly with computer braille. I don't know if this is the case here' but you might try starting bookshare while the wireless is off, then toggling it off and on again. This tricked it into letting me back into the username and password feilds. 
> Hope this is helpful. 
> Jessica 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 7:06 AM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi NABS,
>> I received a Braille Sense U2 Mini recently, and while I am loving it
>> so far, I am experiencing issues accessing the Facebook and bookshare
>> features of the unit. When I try signing in to Facebook and bookshare
>> the u2 keeps saying “signing in please wait.” It eventually ends up
>> freezing and I have to reset it. I have tried disconnecting and
>> reconnecting to Wi-Fi, removing the battery, and toggling the wireless
>> feature of the note taker on and off without any luck. Is anyone else
>> experiencing the same difficulties? I’d appreciate any feedback or
>> thoughts as to how I can resolve these problems.
>> Thanks, Kayla
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kayla Weathers.
>> B.A. English Literature
>> Dalton State College
>> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Jan 18 22:18:24 2016
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:18:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention: Roomate search
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0127C021@UBOX4.unr.edu>

Greetings everyone!
	As the national Convention draws nearer, the season for locating roommates does as well. With that, my girlfriend and I would like to find one or two people who may be interested in sharing a room, and splitting the cost. I have already reserved a room at the main hotel, on a lower floor–anyone who was at the convention last year knows; upper floors take forever to get to. The cost per night is $83, so when split between three or four people, the price is relatively reasonable for a student on a budget. If you are interested, you can either email me off list mausbun at nevada.unr.edu or text me at (775)432-8789.
Hope to hear back from you soon,
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Nevada


From bjduarte at asu.edu  Mon Jan 18 22:32:55 2016
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 15:32:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] National Convention: Roomate search
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0127C021@UBOX4.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0127C021@UBOX4.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <63488BF3-04C0-4259-B69B-E56AC4F0FFCA@asu.edu>

Hello Mikey,

I would be interested in rooming with you and your girlfriend;)

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
QwikEyes CEO



> On Jan 18, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings everyone!
> 	As the national Convention draws nearer, the season for locating roommates does as well. With that, my girlfriend and I would like to find one or two people who may be interested in sharing a room, and splitting the cost. I have already reserved a room at the main hotel, on a lower floor–anyone who was at the convention last year knows; upper floors take forever to get to. The cost per night is $83, so when split between three or four people, the price is relatively reasonable for a student on a budget. If you are interested, you can either email me off list mausbun at nevada.unr.edu or text me at (775)432-8789.
> Hope to hear back from you soon,
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Nevada
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 00:34:27 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 17:34:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislation
Message-ID: <B764FD1D-4270-4F70-86AE-64B6BF935391@gmail.com>

Hey, 
UnfortunatelyI was unable to attend the legislative workshop that nabs put on at the Connecticut convention, and I was hoping that Information would be sent out about that workshop so that all of us could better learn and understand about legislative matters and how to get involved with them.  However, I have still not seen anything.  So I was wondering if anyone knew how we can get our hands on this info.  I think it would be helpful for students to have this.  If anyone has info can it be sent out?

Thanks.

Anna E Givens



From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Tue Jan 19 00:40:32 2016
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 00:40:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislation
In-Reply-To: <B764FD1D-4270-4F70-86AE-64B6BF935391@gmail.com>
References: <B764FD1D-4270-4F70-86AE-64B6BF935391@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY1PR05MB1913DBAC9329548C0EE1991F89C10@CY1PR05MB1913.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Anna,

Great question! I am proud to say that I was on the committee that put on that workshop. 

As of yet, I have not seen any of these materials for the workshop, but I know that NABS President Sean Whalen is hard at work on putting them together. 

I am so glad to see that student leaders like you from all the way across the country want to benefit from the knowledge discussed at the workshop. I think you're right on point in the notion that we should share this information widely. After all, our main priority is to raise the expectations of blind people and pass good legislation that reflects those expectations, not to keep information restricted to only those who can attend an event in the northeast corner of our country on a weekend in November. 

If I hear anything, I'll be sure to let you know. I, too, am eager to see those materials. I'm sure they'll be worth the wait!

In the meantime, we can totally talk on the phone about whatever I can remember from the event if that's helpful.

Yours,

Justin

Justin Salisbury, NOMC, NCUEB
Graduate Student
Professional Development and Research Institute on Blindness
Louisiana Tech University
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=325734822
Twitter: @SalisburyJustin

"None can be free as long as any are enslaved" 

Dr. Kenneth Jernigan

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2016 6:34 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Legislation

Hey, 
UnfortunatelyI was unable to attend the legislative workshop that nabs put on at the Connecticut convention, and I was hoping that Information would be sent out about that workshop so that all of us could better learn and understand about legislative matters and how to get involved with them.  However, I have still not seen anything.  So I was wondering if anyone knew how we can get our hands on this info.  I think it would be helpful for students to have this.  If anyone has info can it be sent out?

Thanks.

Anna E Givens


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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Jan 19 04:10:14 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:10:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NFB Washington Seminar Attendee Needs A Room
Message-ID: <auto-000048172117@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>From: "Roger R. Cusson" <rrc at ime.net>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Subject: NFB Washington Seminar Attendee Needs A Room
>
>
>Hi David,
>
>I wonder if you could please circulate this for me?
>
>
>Greetings NFBers,
>
>I am trying to locate someone who may have space 
>available in their room or need a roommate for well, about 16 hours?
>
>Our NFB of Maine Lead Legislative person, Mark 
>Tardif, is looking for either a roommate for 
>Wednesday night/early Thursday morning, or to be 
>more accurate, is looking to see if anyone might 
>need a very temporary roommate or if space might 
>be available in a room for him to put him, and 
>his suitcase, from Wednesday afternoon, anytime 
>after noon time, until very early Thursday 
>morning, at 4 AM, at which time, Mark will be leaving the facility.
>
>He is all set for all other days, just needs a 
>little helping hand from that Wednesday afternoon, until Thursday, A.M.
>
>If anyone wishes to discuss this with Mark, his contact info is below

>
>Mark Tardif
>E-Mail: <mailto:markspark at roadrunner.com>markspark at roadrunner.com
>
>Telephone: (207) 436-9205
>
>Thank you for your assistance.
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From rosz1878 at fredonia.edu  Tue Jan 19 04:20:30 2016
From: rosz1878 at fredonia.edu (Lisa E Roszyk)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 20:20:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Roommate
Message-ID: <CAPnd0v=mfDHmDso4w9-L7e+L8q+E0E1u2Urv2kvcNyncWvrD9g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow NFBers,

Do to financial timing i was unsure if i would be going to the Washington
seminar. However i now can, i was wonderig if anyone has space for a
roommate. If so please at your earliest convience, email me at
lroszyk at fredonia.edu

Lisa Roszyk

From ALewis at nfb.org  Tue Jan 19 17:23:11 2016
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 17:23:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Could you possibly announce these awards?
Message-ID: <CY1PR07MB1526F0F49449DEFB4B560BDDC1C10@CY1PR07MB1526.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

All:

We have recently been informed that IBM offers a full coverage scholarship to students with disabilities to attend the International Web for All conference in Montreal, Canada on 11-13, April 2016. There is also a $1,000 Google award for Doctoral students conducting Accessibility research to participate in the Doctoral Consortium.

They have extended the deadline for these two awards until January 31st. I To obtain additional information:
IBM award: http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/ibm-people-with-disabilities-award/
Google award: http://www.w4a.info/2016/submissions/google-doctoral-consortium/

Thank you,

Yevgen

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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 18:29:48 2016
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:29:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Request For State Updates for January NABS Notes
Message-ID: <6F4B957F-10E2-481B-A952-06520552F49B@gmail.com>

Hello Fellow Federationists, 
NABS wants to hear from your state student division! Please consider writing an update or announcement for the January edition of the NABS Notes about what your division has been up to. Please send all announcements to me by Saturday January 23 at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com . Please feel free to reach out to me with any questions, and I look forward to including your announcements and updates. 
All Best, 
Hindley                                        

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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 18:32:10 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 10:32:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] can't backup my ipad to icloud, thied restoring
Message-ID: <569e8153.8a41620a.4d205.ffffd752@mx.google.com>

Hi, I can't backup my ipad to icloud, I gt backup now, and it 
will start and stop a second later.  I restored the ipad and it 
still is doing the same thing.  Any ideasen I'm running ios 9.2, 
but on my ip"one 5, ios 9.3 beara 1.


From treyman19 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 20:00:24 2016
From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:00:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Selling a Brand new Braille Sense U2
In-Reply-To: <ABA47CAB-4492-4A9F-A818-5BC3CD2CE3DC@me.com>
References: <ABA47CAB-4492-4A9F-A818-5BC3CD2CE3DC@me.com>
Message-ID: <B6ECC3EF-B34D-419B-BC29-B324F2A5C342@gmail.com>

Hi I was wondering if your friend still want to trade?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a new Braille Sense U2 that I am selling.
> I am selling it because I hardly use it, and its practically brand new.
> It has the english and spanish dictionary, and warranty.
> It comes with original case, Executive products case, and charger.
> I will also throw in upon request a flash drive or SD card of any size.
> I am asking $3500, $3000, or $2500, but I can’t go any lower than that.
> You can reply to this message for more information, or my phone number is 1-505-615-2118.
> Thank you and God bless,
> Jahmal
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 21:10:26 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 16:10:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Selling a Brand new Braille Sense U2
In-Reply-To: <B6ECC3EF-B34D-419B-BC29-B324F2A5C342@gmail.com>
References: <ABA47CAB-4492-4A9F-A818-5BC3CD2CE3DC@me.com>
	<B6ECC3EF-B34D-419B-BC29-B324F2A5C342@gmail.com>
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Contact them; I do not know.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 3:00 PM
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Cc: Trey Bradley <treyman19 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Selling a Brand new Braille Sense U2

Hi I was wondering if your friend still want to trade?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:54 PM, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have a new Braille Sense U2 that I am selling.
> I am selling it because I hardly use it, and its practically brand new.
> It has the english and spanish dictionary, and warranty.
> It comes with original case, Executive products case, and charger.
> I will also throw in upon request a flash drive or SD card of any size.
> I am asking $3500, $3000, or $2500, but I can’t go any lower than that.
> You can reply to this message for more information, or my phone number is 1-505-615-2118.
> Thank you and God bless,
> Jahmal
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Jan 19 20:19:21 2016
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. Labarre)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:19:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} FW: [ColoradoPELA] OTish: CREEC is looking for
	an office manager
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR18MB0590CF18B98AE7817CE704B9A9C10@SN1PR18MB0590.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR18MB0590CF18B98AE7817CE704B9A9C10@SN1PR18MB0590.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <001401d152f6$af2c6610$0d853230$@labarrelaw.com>

 

 

From: ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com [mailto:ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 12:20 PM
To: ColoradoPELA at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ColoradoPELA] OTish: CREEC is looking for an office manager

 

  

Please circulate widely.  Thanks!

 



 

Office Manager for Civil Rights Nonprofit

 

The Civil Rights Education and Enforcement Center (CREEC), a small nonprofit
organization with offices in Denver, Colorado and Berkeley, California, is
looking for an Office Manager.  

 

*  Do you want a job where you are encouraged to take ownership of projects
and to find creative solutions, and where you receive frank but productive
and encouraging feedback?  

*  Do you look forward to the new Container Store catalog so you can figure
out new and creative ways to organize everything around you?  

*  Do you like an office where casual conversation ranges from gender
neutral pronouns, universal design, and #blacklivesmatter to dog antics and
bingeing on "Scandal"?  

*  Do you like it when you and your colleagues can find humor in even the
busiest days and about even the most aggravating opposing lawyers?  

*  Can you multitask? And by multitask, we mean Multi. Task.  Do lots of
different things at the same time.  Juggle chainsaws.  You know, the usual.


If so, you just might be the office manager CREEC is looking for.  

 

CREEC's mission is to fight discrimination in our nation's civic life on the
basis of race, gender, disability, religion, national origin, sexual
orientation, or gender identity.  We are committed to this mission, and we
are looking for someone who shares that commitment.  We promote our mission
through impact litigation, investigations, outreach, and education.  Our
scope is nationwide, and we have litigated cases and conducted educational
presentations in many other states around the country.  Many of our cases
are class actions, although we also represent individuals and organizations
in smaller cases. 

 

We are looking for a smart, motivated college graduate to be our Office
Manager.  To succeed at this job, you'll need:  

 

Superior organizational and writing skills.  We are very busy with a heavy
case load of complex litigation and educational projects.  We need someone
who can internalize the details of these projects and help us keep track of
them, manage large document productions, and generally run all but the
purely legal aspects of each case.  In addition, our office manager will
assist with our online and social media outreach, including drafting blog
posts and managing the website, so strong writing skills are a must.  

 

Familiarity with Software and Apps.  We have a website and blog, receive
donations online, and make extensive use of the cloud in collaborating
between CREEC's offices and among co-counsel.  

 

Common sense. As Office Manager, you'll be responsible for interacting with
vendors, making travel arrangements, organizing our annual event, and
generally keeping things humming.  We need to be able to trust your work and
your judgment on matters large and small.  

 

Ability to work well with other people . . . and alone.  You need to be
comfortable and professional interacting with courts, clients, opposing
counsel, and the wide variety of people who call and visit our nonprofit.
Because the attorneys travel often, you also have to be comfortable and
efficient working with little supervision. 

 

Willingness to do a bit of everything.  We are a small nonprofit, so you
have to be comfortable doing less glamorous things, like filing, data entry,
or running out to pick up lunch.  

 

We work very hard, but our office atmosphere is upbeat and casual.  Our
Denver office is located in an eclectic neighborhood that includes great
restaurants and independent movies.  We have a well-stocked kitchen and two
office dogs.  If you like responsibility and handle the tasks well, you will
be able to play a major role in our growing nonprofit and have a varied and
interesting practice.  You can check us out at www.creeclaw.org
<http://www.creeclaw.org> .

 




Salary:  $40,000 to $45,000 depending on experience.  We also offer health
insurance, a 401(k) plan, free parking, and three weeks of paid vacation.
We do not discriminate on the basis of disability, race, gender, religion,
national origin, age, sexual orientation, or gender identity.  

 

Please email your resume and most recent transcript, along with a cover
letter or email explaining why you are interested in the job to
arobertson at creeclaw.org <mailto:arobertson at creeclaw.org> .  

 

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From pnwthorsen at aol.com  Wed Jan 20 17:10:39 2016
From: pnwthorsen at aol.com (pnwthorsen at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 12:10:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible on-line presentation methods
Message-ID: <15260044446-3c8c-9e3@webprd-a39.mail.aol.com>

Hello all, 

What, if any, platforms have any of you found accessibility friendly when wanting to conduct a webinar or to give an interactive online presentation?  I am putting together an online class and am looking for a program to present on.  I am familiar with Cisco WebEx, but it does not function with inverted screen.  Does anyone have experience with presentation programs that work with color inversions.  I would not be using a screen reading program, but would use contrast features on my computer.  I am open to any and all suggestions for accessible online presentation methods. 

Thanks,
 Heidi Thorsen 



From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 22:06:06 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:06:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible on-line presentation methods
In-Reply-To: <15260044446-3c8c-9e3@webprd-a39.mail.aol.com>
References: <15260044446-3c8c-9e3@webprd-a39.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009601d153ce$c2ec9cf0$48c5d6d0$@gmail.com>

Adobe Connect seems to work, but only with internet explorer.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of pnwthorsen---
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:11 PM
To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org; nfbcs at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org;
gui-talk at nfbnet.org
Cc: pnwthorsen at aol.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible on-line presentation methods

Hello all, 

What, if any, platforms have any of you found accessibility friendly when
wanting to conduct a webinar or to give an interactive online presentation?
I am putting together an online class and am looking for a program to
present on.  I am familiar with Cisco WebEx, but it does not function with
inverted screen.  Does anyone have experience with presentation programs
that work with color inversions.  I would not be using a screen reading
program, but would use contrast features on my computer.  I am open to any
and all suggestions for accessible online presentation methods. 

Thanks,
 Heidi Thorsen 


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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 20 23:52:57 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:52:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible on-line presentation methods
In-Reply-To: <009601d153ce$c2ec9cf0$48c5d6d0$@gmail.com>
References: <15260044446-3c8c-9e3@webprd-a39.mail.aol.com>
	<009601d153ce$c2ec9cf0$48c5d6d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaV77sr5S5dvz5fqGds-QHSFDOpXE6PxV_+9ERWkJhp0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm interested in hearing information about this, too.  Does anyone
know if the more popular platforms like Prezzi work?

On 1/20/16, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Adobe Connect seems to work, but only with internet explorer.
>  Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of pnwthorsen---
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:11 PM
> To: promotion-technology at nfbnet.org; nfbcs at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org;
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: pnwthorsen at aol.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible on-line presentation methods
>
> Hello all,
>
> What, if any, platforms have any of you found accessibility friendly when
> wanting to conduct a webinar or to give an interactive online presentation?
> I am putting together an online class and am looking for a program to
> present on.  I am familiar with Cisco WebEx, but it does not function with
> inverted screen.  Does anyone have experience with presentation programs
> that work with color inversions.  I would not be using a screen reading
> program, but would use contrast features on my computer.  I am open to any
> and all suggestions for accessible online presentation methods.
>
> Thanks,
>  Heidi Thorsen
>
>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:53:43 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:53:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
Message-ID: <CA7B217D-3687-4699-876E-6A11F10E3202@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of accessibility?

Amanda


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 14:53:43 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:53:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
Message-ID: <CA7B217D-3687-4699-876E-6A11F10E3202@gmail.com>

Hello everyone,
Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of accessibility?

Amanda


From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 16:33:33 2016
From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:33:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
In-Reply-To: <CA7B217D-3687-4699-876E-6A11F10E3202@gmail.com>
References: <CA7B217D-3687-4699-876E-6A11F10E3202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56A1085D.1000607@gmail.com>

Hello Amanda,
Check for classes at your local Red Cross office. I am not sure where 
you are located so I am not sure which office to look up. But I 
recommend giving them a call. They should be fairly accessible just make 
sure they not you have a disability.
Thanks,
Todd Orlowski

On 1/21/2016 8:53 AM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of accessibility?
>
> Amanda
>
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From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 16:44:19 2016
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:44:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
In-Reply-To: <56A1085D.1000607@gmail.com>
References: <CA7B217D-3687-4699-876E-6A11F10E3202@gmail.com>
	<56A1085D.1000607@gmail.com>
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Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:33, Todd Orlowski via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Amanda,
> Check for classes at your local Red Cross office. I am not sure where you are located so I am not sure which office to look up. But I recommend giving them a call. They should be fairly accessible just make sure they not you have a disability.
> Thanks,
> Todd Orlowski
> 
>> On 1/21/2016 8:53 AM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of accessibility?
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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Hi Amanda, I took a CPR training class in order for me to work for the buddies at BLIND Inc last year, it is accessible as far as the defibrillator machine is concerned. The other stuff like the mouth to mouth breathing and the chest compressions, are just hands on basic. Once of the person who is training new shows you how to do both of these things, it should be pretty straight forward and simple afterwards  in any given situation that requires CPR. And of course, with any other situation that CPR can't help, the knowledge of what to do to fix the situations, is basically straightforward and common sense. Hope this helps.

From tfurban22 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 17:01:40 2016
From: tfurban22 at gmail.com (Tessa Urban)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:01:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
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Hello you can try the American heart Association as well for classes. They can be expensive at least in my area of Florida. I hope this helps! 
Tessa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:33, Todd Orlowski via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Amanda,
>> Check for classes at your local Red Cross office. I am not sure where you are located so I am not sure which office to look up. But I recommend giving them a call. They should be fairly accessible just make sure they not you have a disability.
>> Thanks,
>> Todd Orlowski
>> 
>>> On 1/21/2016 8:53 AM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of accessibility?
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
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> Hi Amanda, I took a CPR training class in order for me to work for the buddies at BLIND Inc last year, it is accessible as far as the defibrillator machine is concerned. The other stuff like the mouth to mouth breathing and the chest compressions, are just hands on basic. Once of the person who is training new shows you how to do both of these things, it should be pretty straight forward and simple afterwards  in any given situation that requires CPR. And of course, with any other situation that CPR can't help, the knowledge of what to do to fix the situations, is basically straightforward and common sense. Hope this helps.
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 21 17:16:57 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 12:16:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cpr training
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Hello,
i've been CPR certified quite a few times, both by the American Red
Cross and the American Heart Association.  Both are excellent programs
which teach the same techniques.

I have never had a problem with accessibility.  My instructors have
always been great about either verbally clarifying or tactily showing
me how to perform the maneuvers.  The ones for babies might seem a
little intimidating, but they are not bad once you've had practice.
I'd also recommend asking the professor to spend a little time with
you showing you exactly how to work an AED, which should be part of
your training.  It will verbally talk you through the instructions
because not everyone that uses AEDs is CPR certified, but it's
important to have that exposure.

If you attend a college with a rescue squad or student EMS club they
might offer trainings for free.  Mine does once a semester and they
have always worked really well with me to make sure I know what I'm
doing.

Hope this helps,

On 1/21/16, Tessa Urban via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello you can try the American heart Association as well for classes. They
> can be expensive at least in my area of Florida. I hope this helps!
> Tessa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2016, at 10:33, Todd Orlowski via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Amanda,
>>> Check for classes at your local Red Cross office. I am not sure where you
>>> are located so I am not sure which office to look up. But I recommend
>>> giving them a call. They should be fairly accessible just make sure they
>>> not you have a disability.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Todd Orlowski
>>>
>>>> On 1/21/2016 8:53 AM, Amanda via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> Have any of you done Cpr trainings? How were they in terms of
>>>> accessibility?
>>>>
>>>> Amanda
>>>>
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>> Hi Amanda, I took a CPR training class in order for me to work for the
>> buddies at BLIND Inc last year, it is accessible as far as the
>> defibrillator machine is concerned. The other stuff like the mouth to
>> mouth breathing and the chest compressions, are just hands on basic. Once
>> of the person who is training new shows you how to do both of these
>> things, it should be pretty straight forward and simple afterwards  in any
>> given situation that requires CPR. And of course, with any other situation
>> that CPR can't help, the knowledge of what to do to fix the situations, is
>> basically straightforward and common sense. Hope this helps.
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Jan 21 20:47:44 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 15:47:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <80A4B9E8-02DB-4E89-8AD5-0932C129DF43@icloud.com>



Hi, 
I just wanted to say good luck to everyone attending Washington Seminar. I wish I could go, but school is a lot this simester. I am sending this message because I am hearing about all of the snow. Let's go get our bills passed, and educate Congress. I will follow up with letters from home.
Sincerely,
Mikayla

From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 04:48:47 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:48:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
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Evening, everyone,

Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be 
defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are 
>three things I'd keep in mind.
>
>1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting 
>things done quickly.
>2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so 
>does using assistive tech.
>3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to 
>do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways 
>to do better.  I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues 
>and I work slower/less hard than others.  The main thing employers 
>want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>
>Best
>Derek
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity 
> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed 
> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of 
> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it 
> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
> > That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is 
> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually 
> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
> > Most blind students get double the time that their sighted 
> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a 
> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only 
> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete 
> your tasks expeditiously.
> > My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a 
> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers 
> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the 
> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time 
> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that 
> society has from blind people.
> > Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction 
> and has been a major cause of concern.
> > I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here 
> had a similar experience?
> > What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling 
> with this challenge?
> >
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 04:53:06 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:53:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd:  research techniques and assistance
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Use the help if it's there, guys!
Car07:11 AM 8/25/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>I can't speak to the accessibility options but just generally, your 
>research librarians are bored and would love to help you out. I rely 
>on mine all the time. Also, I also tend to read a lot of articles 
>that don't pan out so I also think this is pretty common.
>
>I'd also agree with the comment about needing to know something 
>about the topic. My approach is to google/Wikipedia the topic or 
>topics first. Then check my textbook if the topic is in there. Then 
>I do a little searching. But if I get stuck, I turn to the research 
>librarian pretty quickly to get moving.
>
>Best
>Derek
>
>PS
>I use zoom text so that is why I can't speak to the accessibility options.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:00 AM, justin williams via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Oops, How did that not go to the list?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
> > via nabs-l
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:56 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: research techniques and assistance
> >
> > I think Justin meant to send this to the whole list
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 09:53:05 -0400
> > Subject: RE: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
> > To: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> >
> > I take each paper as a separate entity as far as accessibility is 
> concerned.
> > I take a day of two and just do the research.  In other words, I have no
> > intent to write the paper, but to simply get the articles I want and figure
> > out my base for the paper.  Folks, I spend 6 to 8 hours, but I get 6 to 7
> > articles and sometimes more, though I have found any more than 
> about 9 or 10
> > more cumbersome  then helpful.  I work  out all the accessibility issues
> > before I do anything with writing the paper.  Don't forget your nls books,
> > or books on the blio.  Sometimes the articles are pdfs, and other 
> times they
> > are web based; I try to stick to web based, but that is not 
> always possible.
> > Pdfs can be made accessible in a variety of ways, but sometimes, none of
> > those ways are adequate; the article can still become unusable.  I have
> > found google scholar inaccessible for obtaining the articles, If 
> someone has
> > a tip for this, please share.  I write down my citations for each articles
> > and save them in a separate file.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mary Fernandez [mailto:trillian551 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 9:44 AM
> > To: justin williams; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
> >
> > All,
> > I think this is a fabulous topic! First, research skills are ones which are
> > not necessarily intuitive, and which all successful college students learn
> > to refine and perfect throughout their college career.
> > Unfortunately, there are numerous accessibility barriers with databases and
> > eBooks, which others have access too readily. Part of the answer, and
> > Ashley, you are on the right track, is to learn how to most effectively use
> > databases, and search tools like Google Scholar.
> > Most universities have workshops that students can attend, and which focus
> > specifically on research, many times even by topic. Through my senior year
> > in college, it wasn't strange for a class, which had a major research paper
> > do at the end of the semester, to have a class scheduled at the 
> library, and
> > have a reference librarian show us the tips and tricks. The other half of
> > the equation, is to be creative with using your assistive 
> software, a lot of
> > times websites are inaccessible enough to be a nightmare, but sometimes
> > there is a hidden work around, like using the different cursor modes in
> > Jaws, right clicking instead of pressing enter, etc. This makes things more
> > time consuming than they ought to be, but unfortunately, until we can get
> > this trend of technology being developed inaccessibly reversed, 
> we must live
> > with that reality.
> > As far as articles, that's part of research. You do your best to 
> narrow down
> > the material you get back by using good search terminology, by 
> categorizing,
> > by reading the abstract, but at one point you have to just read the
> > articles. No one article is going to give you all the information 
> your need,
> > that's why you use so many citations at the end of the day, 
> because one part
> > of one paper may be of relevance, but the other twenty pages aren't. Good
> > research takes time, and the better you get at it, the better you become at
> > using that time more efficiently.
> > As far as PDFs, I've been suggesting to students to ask for Adobe Pro from
> > VR or to purchase it if possible. If you take the time to learn some
> > accessibility remediation techniques with Adobe, many tutorials are
> > available online, you can tag your own pdfs and fix reading order and
> > navigation. It won't be perfect, but at least it'll make them legible.
> > Kurzweil 1000 is also incredibly useful. If it's 2 AM and the paper is due
> > in six hours, not that I've ever been there, you can save pdfs to your pc,
> > run them through Kurzweil and that way the articles become legible if not
> > perfect.
> > Last, not all databases are created equal. Depending on your subject, you
> > may want to filter through subjects when choosing databases, for the
> > humanities I  found EPSCO databases to be really accessible, Jstor,
> > PsychInfo, the Oxford databases, and quite a few others were very good. And
> > some won't be. There are so many tips and tricks to conducting research, so
> > I strongly suggest seeing if a college does those research workshops, and
> > just taking the time to figure out what works for you and what doesn't.
> > Unfortunately, there isn't a universal answer when it comes to
> > accessibility. We must advocate for manufacturers and 
> universities to become
> > responsible for only procuring and implementing accessible learning tools,
> > but that's a battle that has to be fought outside the research library!
> > Thanks.
> > Mary
> >
> >
> >> On 8/25/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> It just depends on what I am looking for; I take pieces parts of
> >> several articles, and just put them together into a research paper.
> >> It helps to no something about your topic.  If you have no knowledge
> >> about a topic, get a book from nls to start you off, then fine your
> > articles.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sofia
> >> Gallo via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2014 7:33 AM
> >> To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >> list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] research techniques and assistance
> >>
> >> I also have to read a lot of the article to see if it's relevant but I
> >> thought this was true for everyone?
> >>
> >> Sofia
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 4:10 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all! I have the same questions as Ashley. For me, research is not
> >>> so easy as well!! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks  so much and God
> >>> bless!!  :-)
> >>>
> >>> Helga Schreiber
> >>>
> >>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> >>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> >>> Blind Students.
> >>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> >>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> >>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> >>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> >>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> >>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> >>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> >>>
> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> >>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
> >>> 3:16 Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 25, 2014, at 3:17 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Its been my experience that research is very challenging. Have you
> >>>> run into these issues?
> >>>>
> >>>> Not all databases are fully accessible, although that has been
> >>>> better in the past couple years.
> >>>> For instance, academic search complete and other Search complete
> >>>> databases do not let you change the combo box from the default and
> >>>> to read "or". This means it would look for search terms A and B or
> >>>> search term C.
> >>>>
> >>>> Other challenges I've had are evaluating if the article is relevant.
> >>>> I do read abstracts first and think through it. It seems like I read
> >>>> most of an article only to realize its not relevant.
> >>>> Also, some articlesare pdfs with words smashed together; I end up
> >>>> asking a reader to read them.
> >>>>
> >>>> What assistance have you had with research? All school libraries
> >>>> have reference librarians at a certain desk. Do you just ask them
> >>>> where to look? Have you needed or wanted more help learning the
> >>>> databases and electronic references? Has the librarians worked  1 on
> >>>> 1 with you? At the community college and my university, Marymount,
> >>>> they did assist me a little privately to get me started. They gave
> >>>> me specific instructions on what to click on and which boxes to
> >>>> check to get what I needed. I needed to limit to full text, for
> >>>> instance; also if I needed recent articles, I was taught how to
> >>>> write in
> > the date range.
> >>>>
> >>>> These references seem inaccessible. Was that your experience?
> >>>>
> >>>> a.. Encyclopedia Britanica
> >>>> b.. Credo reference
> >>>> c.. Gale biography in context
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, books are not accessible and libraries have lots of them.
> >>>> How do you direct readers to find what you need? I've tried asking
> >>>> for headings and table of contents. This does not always work. Is
> >>>> skimming relevant chapters the best thing?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.
> >>>> Ashley
> >>>> _______________________________________________
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 05:47:47 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 00:47:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: looking to buy a new IPhone
References: <8D0C3805-E1FF-4EC9-BE71-48870DA886CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EE515EB-79C8-4CB7-8AC5-F964A2EBA5AB@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: nesma aly <nesmaaly123 at gmail.com>
> Date: January 20, 2016 at 15:42:51 EST
> To: Discussion of accessible electronics and appliances <electronics-talk at nfbnet.org>, mac4theblind at freelists.org, "Groups.io" <afeaturephones+subscribe+1905388747193831650+8186 at groups.io>
> Subject: looking to buy a new IPhone
> 
> Hi all, 
> I received an Iwatch from a friend. I currently have an IPhone 4s and looking for an IPhone 5, 5s, 5c or 6. It must be locked to sprint, be in good condition and not to costy. I was wondering if anyone was interested in celling any of these. 
> Thanks so much, 
> Nesma

From startrekcafe at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 12:05:21 2016
From: startrekcafe at gmail.com (Marvin Hunkin)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:35:21 +1030
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible automated testing tools visual studio community
	2015
Message-ID: <006301d1550d$2cf93380$86eb9a80$@gmail.com>

Hi. Using jaws 17, and visual studio community 2015. Doing a diploma it
course, but, wondering, tried Microsoft test server, but not very
accessible. So, need to run    automated  tests for a subject, intro to
object orientated programming c #, and using windows 10 64 bit pro. And now,
was wondering, what more accessible testing tools, have you used to do
automated testing for visual studio, c # projects. Any ideas. Doing this
course from http://www.upskilled.edu.au, and waiting to see if my lectuer
has a free copy of visual studio pro 2015 or ultimate. But in the mean time,
tried googling, and trawling through about 10 or more pages as I write. So
tapping your minds, any ideas. And also using http://www.pluralsite.com,
which is part of upskilled, video training, but can read the transcript in
the browser. If I click on a link, the video starts playing. More accessible
then http://www.lynda.com, and they are redesigning the site for blind
people. I am on the accessibility beta team, and will test with four
browsers. So this will be a 12 month project, as they got purchased by
http://www.linkedin.com.

Any ideas, or any one in the same situation. Do not have a credit card, and
now, using the free community visual studio 2015 32 bit, but no testing
options, in the video, says to click on the solution for the test project,
click on window, then click on test manager. Unless I need the pro version
of visual studio. Any ideas.

Marvin.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 14:50:23 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:50:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <56a241e6.d511810a.95909.206a@mx.google.com>

I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar 
in 2016.  I hope that all of our bills get passed.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:05:44 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:05:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
In-Reply-To: <56a241e6.d511810a.95909.206a@mx.google.com>
References: <56a241e6.d511810a.95909.206a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CED689B3-7882-48EC-9C5A-AAA8B8AA0A34@gmail.com>

Thanks to all who are supporting our efforts from home. We'll miss you in Washington, and we hope that you'll be able to join us next year. In the meantime, keep in mind that you can still contribute to our work in Washington even if you're not joining us there. During this time of concentrated advocacy for blind students, I would encourage you to call, write to, and tweet your representatives, encouraging them to cosponsor the bills which are of most importance to us. Also, be sure to sign our We the People petition and spread the word about it far and wide so your friends will sign it too. Thanks for all you do—keep up the great work! 

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar in 2016.  I hope that all of our bills get passed.
> 
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From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Fri Jan 22 15:49:05 2016
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:49:05 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Blue: Selecting text in iOS?
Message-ID: <6836C93F-97E0-4EF3-B007-0E2750FCA00E@ymail.com>

BS'D

Hi,

I got a Focus 40 Blue display today and I wonder if there's a braille shortcut for selecting texts in documents and on websites etc.? It would be neat!

LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Fri Jan 22 16:12:50 2016
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:12:50 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
In-Reply-To: <20160122045104700@spamfilter-3.visi.com>
References: <1793573D-4D2E-45B6-8BBE-9CA6B1354D4C@gmail.com>	<5E001320-B020-4FF9-9D7B-F1DCAE737415@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<20160122045104700@spamfilter-3.visi.com>
Message-ID: <SNT406-EAS424602C5E71F8E1EBC4FA5DBCC40@phx.gbl>

I would like to urge some caution when considering the role of one's output
on the job.  While it is true that one's personal value consists of more
than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
deadlines.  Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
become later, blind or sighted.  There is a balance between being so hard on
yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely.  The phrase "Working at your
own pace" can mean different things to different people.  Believe me,
sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
comfortable working, too.  I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
often.  If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.  

I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
not.  What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively.  Also,
there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not.  One has to be
aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
situation.  We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
the same pay if we are actually doing less.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
<rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity

Evening, everyone,

Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be 
defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are 
>three things I'd keep in mind.
>
>1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting 
>things done quickly.
>2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so 
>does using assistive tech.
>3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to 
>do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways 
>to do better.  I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues 
>and I work slower/less hard than others.  The main thing employers 
>want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>
>Best
>Derek
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity 
> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed 
> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of 
> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it 
> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
> > That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is 
> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually 
> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
> > Most blind students get double the time that their sighted 
> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a 
> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only 
> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete 
> your tasks expeditiously.
> > My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a 
> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers 
> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the 
> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time 
> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that 
> society has from blind people.
> > Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction 
> and has been a major cause of concern.
> > I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here 
> had a similar experience?
> > What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling 
> with this challenge?
> >
> > Best,
> > Rahul
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 22 20:18:25 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:18:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
to contact in regards to this issue.

It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
list.

Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
master email list be sent to this email list as well.

Thanks,
Elizabeth 


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Jan 22 20:48:18 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:48:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CC12DB37-4C8A-437B-84E2-84AD24363928@icloud.com>

I am having the same problec.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
> to contact in regards to this issue.
> 
> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> list.
> 
> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jan 22 21:01:15 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:01:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
In-Reply-To: <SNT406-EAS424602C5E71F8E1EBC4FA5DBCC40@phx.gbl>
References: <1793573D-4D2E-45B6-8BBE-9CA6B1354D4C@gmail.com>
	<5E001320-B020-4FF9-9D7B-F1DCAE737415@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<20160122045104700@spamfilter-3.visi.com>
	<SNT406-EAS424602C5E71F8E1EBC4FA5DBCC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.251.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Steve,

Perhaps this is why we must considder the output one can contribute 
upon endeavoring a given job. If you don't like to work under 
pressure, don't take a call center or other demanding position.
This may require that you learn a little something about the position 
first before endeavoring to give it your all?
Carone's personal value consists of more
>than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
>An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
>deadlines.  Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
>and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
>become later, blind or sighted.  There is a balance between being so hard on
>yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
>co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely.  The phrase "Working at your
>own pace" can mean different things to different people.  Believe me,
>sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
>comfortable working, too.  I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
>often.  If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
>might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
>of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.
>
>I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
>am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
>not.  What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
>own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
>about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively.  Also,
>there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
>particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not.  One has to be
>aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
>situation.  We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
>the same pay if we are actually doing less.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
>To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
>Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
><rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
>
>Evening, everyone,
>
>Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be
>defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
>Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
> >Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are
> >three things I'd keep in mind.
> >
> >1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting
> >things done quickly.
> >2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so
> >does using assistive tech.
> >3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to
> >do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways
> >to do better.  I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues
> >and I work slower/less hard than others.  The main thing employers
> >want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
> >
> >Best
> >Derek
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity
> > as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed
> > to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of
> > assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it
> > as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
> > > That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is
> > often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually
> > impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
> > > Most blind students get double the time that their sighted
> > counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a
> > feasible option in the private sector where you are not only
> > required to do your work well but are also expected to complete
> > your tasks expeditiously.
> > > My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a
> > source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers
> > have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the
> > same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time
> > period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that
> > society has from blind people.
> > > Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction
> > and has been a major cause of concern.
> > > I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here
> > had a similar experience?
> > > What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling
> > with this challenge?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Rahul
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nabs-l mailing list
> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> > for nabs-l:
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>ard.edu
> >
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 22 22:51:02 2016
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:51:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
Message-ID: <06D7FB19-1DDD-4913-A392-F867BED16B3C@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!

Sent from my Iphone

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Jan 22 23:28:55 2016
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:28:55 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
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Hello, I haven't received anything from that list in a while and I'll about a month or so. Hopefully David, will shed some light on this email list.
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On Jan 22, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello All,

Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
to contact in regards to this issue.

It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
list.

Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
master email list be sent to this email list as well.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 00:32:37 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:32:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
In-Reply-To: <06D7FB19-1DDD-4913-A392-F867BED16B3C@gmail.com>
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Hi Anna.
I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
fine.
Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
Thanks

On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>
> Sent from my Iphone
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-- 
Joshua Lester
Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan 23 01:14:34 2016
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:14:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
In-Reply-To: <CAEpB4bhJOsB5fvZUzSHM_15vkugFMiAxwfsrZJ48k3drdML3mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <06D7FB19-1DDD-4913-A392-F867BED16B3C@gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhJOsB5fvZUzSHM_15vkugFMiAxwfsrZJ48k3drdML3mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27E1961E-112E-4F70-ACD4-6B8ED49FEC2D@bellsouth.net>

I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of larger colleges

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna.
> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
> fine.
> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
> Thanks
> 
>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>> 
>> Sent from my Iphone
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> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 02:18:23 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:18:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
Message-ID: <CAFja7Far6b4-s10BhxBGtsaK4WXMMt6Y_9rSOewQYc9e=AP4fw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.

I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
by HR.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 02:28:21 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:28:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
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	<27E1961E-112E-4F70-ACD4-6B8ED49FEC2D@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Faxk5Yw_YDqpTHP8UkGHhWwupOOWigjLDeYOXDDiymuDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I go to what I would consider to be a mid-sized college.  You can walk
across campus in about 15 minutes, and there are about 8,000-something
undergraduates.  It still has a community feel to it and class sizes
with the exception of things like introductory psychology lectures are
kept around 30-40 students max.  A lot of the classes for my major
field of study have 20 students or less in them.  It is just big
enough to have options for housing, extra clubs and activities, and
always new people to meet, but it isn't so huge that I feel like I'm
just a number.  My DS office has been really good about working with
me the whole time even though I am the only fluent braille reader and
screenreader user on campus.

I personally am not a fan of huge colleges that take forever to walk
across or who have thousands upon thousands of students, but I'd
encourage you to give the slightly bigger colleges a chance as well.
It's also important to consider what class sizes you are comfortable
with, what housing you'd like to have/can afford, and how you're going
to get around campus.  One thing to also consider is that college is
your time to grow after high school, and for some people that might
mean wanting more options.  I don't think I would have liked the tiny
school I looked at because for a few reasons it felt like a slightly
bigger version of my high school, but then again my high school had a
fairly large student body with 2,200 students whereas some high
schools barely have 100 or fewer students in each graduating class.
Size is relative, which is why I think defining what exactly you mean
by "small college" would be helpful.

Hope this helps,

On 1/22/16, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students
> with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked
> hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice
> community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with
> everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of
> larger colleges
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Anna.
>> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
>> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
>> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
>> fine.
>> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year
>> degree.
>> Thanks
>>
>>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of
>>> you
>>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>>
>>> Sent from my Iphone
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From pnwthorsen at aol.com  Sat Jan 23 05:37:12 2016
From: pnwthorsen at aol.com (pnwthorsen at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:37:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Far6b4-s10BhxBGtsaK4WXMMt6Y_9rSOewQYc9e=AP4fw@mail.gmail.com>
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Kaiti, I think it is very appropriate if you know someone well enough at the agency that you could mention your support and recommendation for this qualified person.  You can do this even if you are not asked to give the reference.  Most often it really is a help to the applicant if someone can "talk" to someone in the office and let them know this is a good candidate.  You can still be the reference on record, but a recommendation to a person that matters is always a good thing.
 
Heidi  Thorsen
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2016 6:20 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries

Hi all,

First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.

I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
by HR.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.

-- 
Kaiti Shelton

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 23 07:32:34 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:32:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] [humanser] Acting as a reference/boundaries
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Far6b4-s10BhxBGtsaK4WXMMt6Y_9rSOewQYc9e=AP4fw@mail.g
	mail.com>
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Message-ID: <mailman.252.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Kaiti,

Sounds like a match made within godly ethereal space to me. Hell, if 
it's okay with your friend, go ahead and name her. I mean, sounds 
like the program needs a tech person and your friend needs 
experience/resum`e matter. Why wouldn't you feel good about this?
Let us know.
Care PM 1/22/2016, Kaiti Shelton via humanser wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
>place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
>doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
>
>I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
>very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
>in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
>work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
>am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
>wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
>job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
>general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
>to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
>This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
>technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
>it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
>I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
>needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
>most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
>message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
>chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
>reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
>could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
>by HR.
>
>Any advice on this would be appreciated.
>
>--
>Kaiti Shelton
>
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 14:58:02 2016
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:58:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-members-list] NABS Cafe: Sweet Temptations
References: <00a001d1552f$4c97dda0$e5c798e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E679E537-9C57-49F0-8F75-87F909FBBEC3@gmail.com>

For those who asked for forwarded messages :) 

Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sean Whalen via Nfbnet-members-list <nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 22, 2016 at 11:09:39 AM EST
> To: <nfbnet-members-list at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbnet-members-list] NABS Cafe: Sweet Temptations
> Reply-To: Sean Whalen <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> 
> Fellow Federationists,
>  
> Yes, it is that time of year again! Time for an epic east coast snow storm? Time for the beloved Green Bay Packers to make a heartbreaking exit from the NFL playoffs? Well, yes. But, no! It is time for the blind of the nation to converge on Capitol Hill to bring our message of equality and opportunity to our elected officials in Washington! We are very excited to have a strong student turnout this year, and I wanted to drop a quick line to convince you to spend your Tuesday evening after the Congressional reception with NABS!
>  
> I have to ask. Do you like delectable desserts? Live music? To enjoy a cocktail or two while chatting with Federation friends old and new? If you said “yes,” I have fabulous news for you! NABS will be holding our annual NABS Café fundraiser from 8pm to midnight on Tuesday, January 26. Buy a wristband from any member of the NABS Board for $5 prior to 7pm on Tuesday, or pay $7 at the door. Either way, the cheesecake, chocolate mousse, and other tasty treats will satisfy your sweet tooth and the sweet sounds of Parnell Diggs, Katelyn McIntyre, and other talented Federation musicians will keep you tappin’ your toes. And, as always, Jackie Brown will be helping us auction off some great items, including: Sea World passes; gourmet chocolate, coffee, and wine; Bluetooth speakers; state themed baskets; an AppleTV; and much more! And, who knows, we might even get the band back together for a little bit of Rhythm of the Movement, the songs of the Federation!
>  
> So after you hit the Hill and enjoy the reception, come relax with us back at the Holiday Inn. And, come early, before all that cheesecake gets gobbled up!
>  
> Have a fantastic weekend,
>  
> Sean
>  
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 14:58:31 2016
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:58:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-students-list] Legislative Leadership
	Workshop Notes
References: <020c01d1550e$8b052b90$a10f82b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53C7B7A8-4402-4FE0-B1A8-F0767C2BDD81@gmail.com>



Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sean Whalen via Nfbnet-students-list <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 22, 2016 at 7:15:10 AM EST
> To: <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbnet-students-list] Legislative Leadership Workshop Notes
> Reply-To: Sean Whalen <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> 
> Good morning fellow students,
>  
> As you may recall, NABS partnered with the NFB of CT back in November to put on a workshop covering the ins and outs of Congressional advocacy on the national level. In advance of next week’s Washington Seminar, I am writing to share a document that I have prepared, which provides a nearly comprehensive overview of the material covered at the workshop. There is a great deal of valuable information in this document, and I would strongly encourage you to give it a read and to share it with other students in your state, or with anybody interested in legislative work. It may be of particular benefit to those coming into DC next week for Washington Seminar!
>  
> Please let me know if you have any feedback on the document. I would love to hear it!
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Sean
>  
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 14:59:00 2016
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 09:59:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS at Washington Seminar
References: <01d201d15507$3959e620$ac0db260$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96937E77-C559-471F-9D37-3483E8EDB7D9@gmail.com>



Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sean Whalen via Nfbnet-students-list <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 22, 2016 at 6:22:47 AM EST
> To: <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS at Washington Seminar
> Reply-To: Sean Whalen <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> 
> Fellow students,
>  
> Yes, it is that time of year again! Time for an epic east coast snow storm? Time for the beloved Green Bay Packers to make a heartbreaking exit from the NFL playoffs? Well, yes. But, no! It is time for the blind of the nation to converge on Capitol Hill to bring our message of equality and opportunity for the blind to our elected officials in Washington! We are very excited to have a strong student turnout this year, and I wanted to drop a quick line to let you know what NABS will be up to!
>  
> First, if you’ll be in Washington, I hope you’re planning to attend NABS’ annual winter seminar. We will be running from 9:00am to 12:30pm on Monday, January 25. We have lined up excellent presentations on the legal landscape for blind students and using apps for productivity. We’ve got breakout sessions on technology, advocacy, campus involvement, finding jobs, NFB philosophy, and more. And you’ll have the chance to get some hot tips on effective legislative advocacy and, oh yeah, to hear from our President, Mr. Mark Riccobono. Sounds awesome, right? So come on out! And if you do, do me a huge favor, and preregister at this link:
> http://nabslink.org/content/register-2016-nabs-winter-seminar
> It’ll save both you and us a ton of time, and we will be oh so grateful!
>  
> Second, I have to ask. Do you like delectable desserts? Live music? To enjoy a cocktail or two while chatting with Federation friends old and new? If you said “yes,” I have fabulous news for you! NABS will be holding our annual NABS Café fundraiser from 8pm to midnight on Tuesday, January 26. Buy a wristband from any member of the NABS Board for $5 prior to 7pm on Tuesday, or pay $7 at the door. Either way, the cheesecake, chocolate mousse, and other tasty treats will satisfy your sweet tooth and the sweet sounds of Parnell Diggs, Katelyn McIntyre, and other talented Federation musicians will keep you tappin’ your toes. And, as always, Jackie Brown will be helping us auction off some great items, including: Sea World passes; gourmet chocolate, coffee, and wine; Bluetooth speakers; state themed baskets; an AppleTV; and much more! And, who knows, we might even get the band back together for a little bit of Rhythm of the Movement, the songs of the Federation!
>  
> I hope to see many of you in Washington next week.
>  
> Have a fantastic weekend,
>  
> Sean
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 18:20:27 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:20:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
Message-ID: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>

Hi,
I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
Thanks,anda

From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 23 18:32:58 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:32:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-students-list] Legislative
	Leadership	Workshop Notes
In-Reply-To: <53C7B7A8-4402-4FE0-B1A8-F0767C2BDD81@gmail.com>
References: <020c01d1550e$8b052b90$a10f82b0$@gmail.com>
	<53C7B7A8-4402-4FE0-B1A8-F0767C2BDD81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS144FE2BBB435B9F6BB68129BAC50@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

It looks as though the attachment did not come through when Kathryn forwarded this message to the email list. Since I think this is such a well written document on  legislative advocacy, I wanted to make sure everyone receives a copy of these notes.

I know there were some people on this email list who were asking about what to do if they are not able to attend Washington Seminar. I think the notes contained in this document does a good job adding some thoughts and ideas to this discussion.

I think these notes do a really good job explaining the process of advocating for legislative issues. However, I can think of one more thing that can be useful in terms of getting to know your member of Congress. In most cases, you can sign up to receive regular email updates from your member of Congress that highlight places they visit in their home district, events they are sponsoring, and the types of legislation they are currently supporting. I suppose Twitter probably works well for something like this too, but I guess I am a bit old fashioned, and like being able to read something that is a bit more in-depth than a tweet.

Anyway, I just thought I would pass along this information for those of you who may be interested and are no longer receiving emails from the NABS student master email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Webster via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2016 9:59 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nfbnet-students-list] Legislative Leadership Workshop Notes



Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Sean Whalen via Nfbnet-students-list <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Date: January 22, 2016 at 7:15:10 AM EST
> To: <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nfbnet-students-list] Legislative Leadership Workshop Notes
> Reply-To: Sean Whalen <nabs.president at gmail.com>
> 
> Good morning fellow students,
>  
> As you may recall, NABS partnered with the NFB of CT back in November to put on a workshop covering the ins and outs of Congressional advocacy on the national level. In advance of next week’s Washington Seminar, I am writing to share a document that I have prepared, which provides a nearly comprehensive overview of the material covered at the workshop. There is a great deal of valuable information in this document, and I would strongly encourage you to give it a read and to share it with other students in your state, or with anybody interested in legislative work. It may be of particular benefit to those coming into DC next week for Washington Seminar!
>  
> Please let me know if you have any feedback on the document. I would love to hear it!
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Sean
>  
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 19:12:35 2016
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 13:12:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] small colleges
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Thanks guys

Sent from my Iphone

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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. accessible automated testing tools visual studio community
>      2015 (Marvin Hunkin)
>   2. Re: Good Luck attending Washington Seminar (Roanna Bacchus)
>   3. Re: Good Luck attending Washington Seminar (Chris Nusbaum)
>   4. Focus 40 Blue: Selecting text in iOS? (Leye-Shprintse ?berg)
>   5. Re: Efficiency and Productivity (Steve Jacobson)
>   6. Questions About the Master Student Email List (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>   7. Re: Questions About the Master Student Email List
>      (Mikayla Gephart)
>   8. Re: Efficiency and Productivity (Carly Mihalakis)
>   9. Small colleges (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
>  10. Re: Questions About the Master Student Email List (Joseph Hudson)
>  11. Re: Small colleges (josh lester)
>  12. Re: Small colleges (Kaley Jemison)
>  13. Acting as a reference/boundaries (Kaiti Shelton)
>  14. Re: Small colleges (Kaiti Shelton)
>  15. Re: Acting as a reference/boundaries (pnwthorsen at aol.com)
>  16. Re: [humanser] Acting as a reference/boundaries (Carly Mihalakis)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:35:21 +1030
> From: "Marvin Hunkin" <startrekcafe at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] accessible automated testing tools visual studio
>    community    2015
> Message-ID: <006301d1550d$2cf93380$86eb9a80$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi. Using jaws 17, and visual studio community 2015. Doing a diploma it
> course, but, wondering, tried Microsoft test server, but not very
> accessible. So, need to run    automated  tests for a subject, intro to
> object orientated programming c #, and using windows 10 64 bit pro. And now,
> was wondering, what more accessible testing tools, have you used to do
> automated testing for visual studio, c # projects. Any ideas. Doing this
> course from http://www.upskilled.edu.au, and waiting to see if my lectuer
> has a free copy of visual studio pro 2015 or ultimate. But in the mean time,
> tried googling, and trawling through about 10 or more pages as I write. So
> tapping your minds, any ideas. And also using http://www.pluralsite.com,
> which is part of upskilled, video training, but can read the transcript in
> the browser. If I click on a link, the video starts playing. More accessible
> then http://www.lynda.com, and they are redesigning the site for blind
> people. I am on the accessibility beta team, and will test with four
> browsers. So this will be a 12 month project, as they got purchased by
> http://www.linkedin.com.
> 
> Any ideas, or any one in the same situation. Do not have a credit card, and
> now, using the free community visual studio 2015 32 bit, but no testing
> options, in the video, says to click on the solution for the test project,
> click on window, then click on test manager. Unless I need the pro version
> of visual studio. Any ideas.
> 
> Marvin.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 09:50:23 -0500
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing
>    list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
> Message-ID: <56a241e6.d511810a.95909.206a at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar 
> in 2016.  I hope that all of our bills get passed.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:05:44 -0500
> From: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Good Luck attending Washington Seminar
> Message-ID: <CED689B3-7882-48EC-9C5A-AAA8B8AA0A34 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks to all who are supporting our efforts from home. We'll miss you in Washington, and we hope that you'll be able to join us next year. In the meantime, keep in mind that you can still contribute to our work in Washington even if you're not joining us there. During this time of concentrated advocacy for blind students, I would encourage you to call, write to, and tweet your representatives, encouraging them to cosponsor the bills which are of most importance to us. Also, be sure to sign our We the People petition and spread the word about it far and wide so your friends will sign it too. Thanks for all you do?keep up the great work! 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would also like to wish everyone a wonderful Washington Seminar in 2016.  I hope that all of our bills get passed.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:49:05 +0100
> From: Leye-Shprintse ?berg <leyeshprintse at ymail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Blue: Selecting text in iOS?
> Message-ID: <6836C93F-97E0-4EF3-B007-0E2750FCA00E at ymail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I got a Focus 40 Blue display today and I wonder if there's a braille shortcut for selecting texts in documents and on websites etc.? It would be neat!
> 
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse ?berg
> Su?de
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoy? de mon iPhone
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 10:12:50 -0600
> From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
> Message-ID: <SNT406-EAS424602C5E71F8E1EBC4FA5DBCC40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I would like to urge some caution when considering the role of one's output
> on the job.  While it is true that one's personal value consists of more
> than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
> An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
> deadlines.  Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
> and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
> become later, blind or sighted.  There is a balance between being so hard on
> yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
> co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely.  The phrase "Working at your
> own pace" can mean different things to different people.  Believe me,
> sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
> comfortable working, too.  I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
> often.  If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
> might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
> of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.  
> 
> I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
> am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
> not.  What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
> own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
> about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively.  Also,
> there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
> particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not.  One has to be
> aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
> situation.  We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
> the same pay if we are actually doing less.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
> <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
> 
> Evening, everyone,
> 
> Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be 
> defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
> Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are 
>> three things I'd keep in mind.
>> 
>> 1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting 
>> things done quickly.
>> 2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so 
>> does using assistive tech.
>> 3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to 
>> do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways 
>> to do better.  I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues 
>> and I work slower/less hard than others.  The main thing employers 
>> want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>> 
>> Best
>> Derek
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity
>> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed 
>> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of 
>> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it 
>> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
>>> That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is
>> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually 
>> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
>>> Most blind students get double the time that their sighted
>> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a 
>> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only 
>> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete 
>> your tasks expeditiously.
>>> My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a
>> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers 
>> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the 
>> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time 
>> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that 
>> society has from blind people.
>>> Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction
>> and has been a major cause of concern.
>>> I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here
>> had a similar experience?
>>> What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling
>> with this challenge?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:18:25 -0500
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
> Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
> to contact in regards to this issue.
> 
> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> list.
> 
> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 15:48:18 -0500
> From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
> Message-ID: <CC12DB37-4C8A-437B-84E2-84AD24363928 at icloud.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I am having the same problec.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
>> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
>> to contact in regards to this issue.
>> 
>> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
>> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
>> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
>> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
>> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
>> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
>> list.
>> 
>> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
>> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
>> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:01:15 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    "'National Association of Blind Students mailing
>    list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
> Message-ID: <mailman.12.1453550402.8071.nabs-l_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Afternoon, Steve,
> 
> Perhaps this is why we must considder the output one can contribute 
> upon endeavoring a given job. If you don't like to work under 
> pressure, don't take a call center or other demanding position.
> This may require that you learn a little something about the position 
> first before endeavoring to give it your all?
> Carone's personal value consists of more
>> than one's efficiency and output, those are part of one's personal value.
>> An employer is not going to be happy with you if you consistently miss
>> deadlines.  Some employers might cut you some slack if they see improvement,
>> and certainly nobody is as efficient when they start a job than they will
>> become later, blind or sighted.  There is a balance between being so hard on
>> yourself for not being able to do things as efficiently as a sighted
>> co-worker and ignoring efficiency completely.  The phrase "Working at your
>> own pace" can mean different things to different people.  Believe me,
>> sighted people in today's jobs feel pressure to work faster than they are
>> comfortable working, too.  I see my sighted co-workers working evenings very
>> often.  If one sees an area in which one just can't gain the efficiency one
>> might like, one has to look for other areas where one can offset that lack
>> of efficiency, or sometimes being willing to work longer hours.
>> 
>> I don't claim there are magic answers, and I certainly do not claim that I
>> am as efficient in every area as my sighted co-workers because I know I am
>> not.  What I am trying to convey is that one also can't just work at one's
>> own pace thinking that the attitude is enough, either, one has to think
>> about one's efficiency and how it can be improved most effectively.  Also,
>> there are jobs where output is most of the measure of one's value,
>> particularly in call center jobs, whether we like it or not.  One has to be
>> aware of the importance of efficiency and output in their particular
>> situation.  We can't assume in the long run that the ADA will guarantee us
>> the same pay if we are actually doing less.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:49 PM
>> To: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>; National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; Rahul Bajaj
>> <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Efficiency and Productivity
>> 
>> Evening, everyone,
>> 
>> Want to echo what Derek said, One's personal value ought not be
>> defined by how fast, or how much output he produces on the job.
>> Car128/22/2014, Derek Manners via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello, I can definitely understand how you feel. I think there are
>>> three things I'd keep in mind.
>>> 
>>> 1. Any new job takes time to get in a rhythm where you are getting
>>> things done quickly.
>>> 2. Practice makes perfect, just as any job takes time to learn, so
>>> does using assistive tech.
>>> 3. It's perfectly fine work at your own pace. Your goal should be to
>>> do the best you can under the circumstances and just look for ways
>>> to do better.  I work faster/hard than some of my sighted colleagues
>>> and I work slower/less hard than others.  The main thing employers
>>> want to see is improvement and a good attitude.
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> Derek
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> I often find it hard to maintain the same level of productivity
>>> as my sighted colleagues. I guess this can primarily be attributed
>>> to the fact that I have so far been merely a casual user of
>>> assistive technology which is perhaps why I am not able to use it
>>> as expeditiously as I should be able to in a professional setting.
>>>> That being said, my uniform experience has taught me that jaws is
>>> often unresponsive and unreliable. This makes it virtually
>>> impossible to work with the same level of efficiency as a sighted person.
>>>> Most blind students get double the time that their sighted
>>> counterparts get for writing exams. However, this is not really a
>>> feasible option in the private sector where you are not only
>>> required to do your work well but are also expected to complete
>>> your tasks expeditiously.
>>>> My inability to meet the latter requirement has often been a
>>> source of frustration for me during my internships. My employers
>>> have never raised any objections about my inability to complete the
>>> same amount of work as my sighted counterparts within a given time
>>> period. I guess this is reflective of the low expectations that
>>> society has from blind people.
>>>> Be that as it may, this has greatly reduced my job satisfaction
>>> and has been a major cause of concern.
>>>> I'd like to know what you guys think about this. Has anyone here
>>> had a similar experience?
>>>> What strategies would you recommend for effectively grappling
>>> with this challenge?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Rahul
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:51:02 -0600
> From: martinezana770 at gmail.com
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
> Message-ID: <06D7FB19-1DDD-4913-A392-F867BED16B3C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
> 
> Sent from my Iphone
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:28:55 +0000
> From: Joseph Hudson <jhud7789 at outlook.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
> Message-ID:
>    <BN3PR1201MB096428DD70330A324A7D4E36CEC40 at BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello, I haven't received anything from that list in a while and I'll about a month or so. Hopefully David, will shed some light on this email list.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
> 
> On Jan 22, 2016, at 2:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
> for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
> to contact in regards to this issue.
> 
> It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
> information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
> quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> list.
> 
> Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
> I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> master email list be sent to this email list as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:32:37 -0600
> From: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEpB4bhJOsB5fvZUzSHM_15vkugFMiAxwfsrZJ48k3drdML3mg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi Anna.
> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
> fine.
> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
> Thanks
> 
>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>> 
>> Sent from my Iphone
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:14:34 -0500
> From: Kaley Jemison <kcj21 at bellsouth.net>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
> Message-ID: <27E1961E-112E-4F70-ACD4-6B8ED49FEC2D at bellsouth.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of larger colleges
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anna.
>> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
>> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
>> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
>> fine.
>> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year degree.
>> Thanks
>> 
>>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of you
>>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Iphone
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Joshua Lester
>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:18:23 -0500
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    "humanser at nfbnet.org" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
> Message-ID:
>    <CAFja7Far6b4-s10BhxBGtsaK4WXMMt6Y_9rSOewQYc9e=AP4fw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
> place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
> 
> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
> in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
> job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
> it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
> needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
> message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
> by HR.
> 
> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:28:21 -0500
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Small colleges
> Message-ID:
>    <CAFja7Faxk5Yw_YDqpTHP8UkGHhWwupOOWigjLDeYOXDDiymuDw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I go to what I would consider to be a mid-sized college.  You can walk
> across campus in about 15 minutes, and there are about 8,000-something
> undergraduates.  It still has a community feel to it and class sizes
> with the exception of things like introductory psychology lectures are
> kept around 30-40 students max.  A lot of the classes for my major
> field of study have 20 students or less in them.  It is just big
> enough to have options for housing, extra clubs and activities, and
> always new people to meet, but it isn't so huge that I feel like I'm
> just a number.  My DS office has been really good about working with
> me the whole time even though I am the only fluent braille reader and
> screenreader user on campus.
> 
> I personally am not a fan of huge colleges that take forever to walk
> across or who have thousands upon thousands of students, but I'd
> encourage you to give the slightly bigger colleges a chance as well.
> It's also important to consider what class sizes you are comfortable
> with, what housing you'd like to have/can afford, and how you're going
> to get around campus.  One thing to also consider is that college is
> your time to grow after high school, and for some people that might
> mean wanting more options.  I don't think I would have liked the tiny
> school I looked at because for a few reasons it felt like a slightly
> bigger version of my high school, but then again my high school had a
> fairly large student body with 2,200 students whereas some high
> schools barely have 100 or fewer students in each graduating class.
> Size is relative, which is why I think defining what exactly you mean
> by "small college" would be helpful.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
>> On 1/22/16, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I too went to a small college in Florida. Although my office of students
>> with disabilities always had a new counselor every year they really worked
>> hard and help me get everything accessible. Small colleges have a nice
>> community feeling everyone gets to know you and you become familiar with
>> everyone at least by name however they don't always have the amenities of
>> larger colleges
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 22, 2016, at 7:32 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Anna.
>>> I was in a small college, and it was okay for the most part.
>>> The DSS people didn't know what to do with me as a blind person at
>>> first, but we worked through trial and error, and it ended up working
>>> fine.
>>> Needless to say though, it took me five years just to get a two year
>>> degree.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>>> On 1/22/16, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone, I have a question. For those who are in college is any of
>>>> you
>>>> enrolled in a small college? If so how is it like? I've heard a lot of
>>>> positive things about small colleges but i've also heard some negative
>>>> things about them, what are your experiences? Thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Iphone
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Joshua Lester
>>> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>>> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>>> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>>> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l:
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>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:37:12 -0500
> From: "pnwthorsen at aol.com" <pnwthorsen at aol.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
> Message-ID: <1526cfc7c84-10c1-29cf at webprd-m30.mail.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> 
> Kaiti, I think it is very appropriate if you know someone well enough at the agency that you could mention your support and recommendation for this qualified person.  You can do this even if you are not asked to give the reference.  Most often it really is a help to the applicant if someone can "talk" to someone in the office and let them know this is a good candidate.  You can still be the reference on record, but a recommendation to a person that matters is always a good thing.
> 
> Heidi  Thorsen
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2016 6:20 pm
> Subject: [nabs-l] Acting as a reference/boundaries
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
> place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
> 
> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
> in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
> job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
> it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
> needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
> message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
> by HR.
> 
> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:32:34 -0800
> From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>,
>    National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,    "humanser at nfbnet.org" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] [humanser] Acting as a reference/boundaries
> Message-ID: <mailman.13.1453550402.8071.nabs-l_nfbnet.org at nfbnet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Evening, Kaiti,
> 
> Sounds like a match made within godly ethereal space to me. Hell, if 
> it's okay with your friend, go ahead and name her. I mean, sounds 
> like the program needs a tech person and your friend needs 
> experience/resum`e matter. Why wouldn't you feel good about this?
> Let us know.
> Care PM 1/22/2016, Kaiti Shelton via humanser wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> First, please excuse me if sending to either of these list is out of
>> place.  I'm not exactly sure where to go for advice on this as it
>> doesn't strike me as a typical issue for a student to have.
>> 
>> I have been involved with an agency for the blind in my hometown for a
>> very long time, first as a client and later as a volunteer while I was
>> in high school.  I still keep in touch with the music therapists who
>> work there as they have been great mentors and role models for me.  I
>> am in the process of composing an email to check in to them, and was
>> wondering if I should mention that someone I know is applying for a
>> job there.  I wouldn't normally mention it since they are going for a
>> general office position, but this person knows how to use technology
>> to produce braille music and I've always seen quality work from them.
>> This would be a great resource to the music program as they have the
>> technology and have been looking for someone with the know-how to use
>> it for years.  It also is more in lign with hthis person's degree, but
>> I have already agreed to serve as a reference if references are
>> needed.  Would I be overstepping my bounds in mentioning them in the
>> most annonymous way possible (like I am referring to them in this
>> message) to current employees?  I would not want to jeopardize their
>> chances of getting the job, but as I have never served as an official
>> reference before I don't know if this is harmless or something that
>> could boost the chances, or if I should just mention it if I am called
>> by HR.
>> 
>> Any advice on this would be appreciated.
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> humanser mailing list
>> humanser at nfbnet.org
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 19:58:31 2016
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:58:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Amanda,

>From what I understand the majority of complaints against Oober have
come about because of issues regarding denial of service to guide dog
users.  While I cannot personally speak to that as I do not use a dog,
I can say that I know plenty of people who use Oober and who do not
encounter problems.  I personally have never had an issue with drivers
that I felt was terrible, and if the driver has given me what I don't
consider to be polite and reasonable service I don't feel bad about
not giving them a 5 star rating at the end of my trip (I've only given
anything but a 5 once and the guy got a 3 for being rude when I asked
him to take what I knew to be a shorter route and he argued with me
about it).

I also think the more you use Oober the more you learn about the
drivers in your area.  I have pretty good relationships with some of
the drivers I've used consistently, and usually if I find a new driver
who is pretty good I'll suggest that they check out the area around my
university as a tip.  It might be a little self-serving because it
increases my own odds of getting a helpful driver, but it is a huge
area of service for Oober and the more experienced drivers like to
hang around here already sometimes.

Hope this helps,

On 1/23/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
> Thanks,anda
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:22:11 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:22:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68E07E46-88FD-40F8-841D-58FD1E7BCBDA@gmail.com>

Thanks for the info. If you order it, how do you make sure the driver knows to let you know when they arrive?
Amanda

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Amanda,
> 
> From what I understand the majority of complaints against Oober have
> come about because of issues regarding denial of service to guide dog
> users.  While I cannot personally speak to that as I do not use a dog,
> I can say that I know plenty of people who use Oober and who do not
> encounter problems.  I personally have never had an issue with drivers
> that I felt was terrible, and if the driver has given me what I don't
> consider to be polite and reasonable service I don't feel bad about
> not giving them a 5 star rating at the end of my trip (I've only given
> anything but a 5 once and the guy got a 3 for being rude when I asked
> him to take what I knew to be a shorter route and he argued with me
> about it).
> 
> I also think the more you use Oober the more you learn about the
> drivers in your area.  I have pretty good relationships with some of
> the drivers I've used consistently, and usually if I find a new driver
> who is pretty good I'll suggest that they check out the area around my
> university as a tip.  It might be a little self-serving because it
> increases my own odds of getting a helpful driver, but it is a huge
> area of service for Oober and the more experienced drivers like to
> hang around here already sometimes.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
>> On 1/23/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
>> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
>> Thanks,anda
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:22:11 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:22:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
Message-ID: <56a3ef3b.0354810a.8fbbb.6ed8@mx.google.com>

Hi Ana thanks for your message.  I went to a small community 
college where I completed the first two years of college.  I met 
a lot of wonderful people there.  The Disability Support Services 
"(DSS) staff were especially helpful.  I worked closely with the 
DSS helper on the Oviedo campus because that is where I was 
taking classes.  The class sizes run about ten to twelve students 
in each classroom.  The professors were very helpful and willing 
to provide me with the appropriate accommedations to complete my 
coursework.


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 21:23:36 2016
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:23:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gpJdpgVKFOvC9Z5UhZsQABHFE=WOZZj+PNqSOK-6-JKQ@mail.gmail.com>

The issue with Uber, and Lyft to some extent is the fact that many
drivers deny service to guide dog handlers. As a guide dog handler
myself, I stopped using Uber a couple years ago because it was not
worth my time, effort, and money to use a service that worked only 20%
of the time. Lyft is a much better service for guide dog handlers in
my opinion, but it's no where near perfect. If you are a cane user, I
don't think getting an Uber would pose any issues for you.

Minh

On 1/23/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Amanda,
>
> From what I understand the majority of complaints against Oober have
> come about because of issues regarding denial of service to guide dog
> users.  While I cannot personally speak to that as I do not use a dog,
> I can say that I know plenty of people who use Oober and who do not
> encounter problems.  I personally have never had an issue with drivers
> that I felt was terrible, and if the driver has given me what I don't
> consider to be polite and reasonable service I don't feel bad about
> not giving them a 5 star rating at the end of my trip (I've only given
> anything but a 5 once and the guy got a 3 for being rude when I asked
> him to take what I knew to be a shorter route and he argued with me
> about it).
>
> I also think the more you use Oober the more you learn about the
> drivers in your area.  I have pretty good relationships with some of
> the drivers I've used consistently, and usually if I find a new driver
> who is pretty good I'll suggest that they check out the area around my
> university as a tip.  It might be a little self-serving because it
> increases my own odds of getting a helpful driver, but it is a huge
> area of service for Oober and the more experienced drivers like to
> hang around here already sometimes.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> On 1/23/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
>> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
>> Thanks,anda
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Jan 23 21:46:10 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 15:46:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Small colleges
In-Reply-To: <56a3ef3b.0354810a.8fbbb.6ed8@mx.google.com>
References: <56a3ef3b.0354810a.8fbbb.6ed8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5JPw27VmQGddKyTXfwxv2+6KZEO4Yq3sEXEfkJ+MSpkA@mail.gmail.com>

I attend a small college, and I love it! Class sizes are small, students
are friendly, and you can easily get one-on-one time with your professors
if you need  it. They are so  wonderful  and really try to get to know you!
I hope this helps!

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Ana thanks for your message.  I went to a small community college where
> I completed the first two years of college.  I met a lot of wonderful
> people there.  The Disability Support Services "(DSS) staff were especially
> helpful.  I worked closely with the DSS helper on the Oviedo campus because
> that is where I was taking classes.  The class sizes run about ten to
> twelve students in each classroom.  The professors were very helpful and
> willing to provide me with the appropriate accommedations to complete my
> coursework.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 22:31:10 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:31:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gpJdpgVKFOvC9Z5UhZsQABHFE=WOZZj+PNqSOK-6-JKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gpJdpgVKFOvC9Z5UhZsQABHFE=WOZZj+PNqSOK-6-JKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fQpvnPr_sayePPpgsimK6GSW-n3j8kdu8UocyengBcyA@mail.gmail.com>

Amanda,
When they arrive they press a button on their app and you get a
message telling you that your driver is there.
When you request a driver, there are some options. One of them is
contact driver. I call the driver and let him or her know that I am
blind, so I can't find the car. They need to recognize me.
Some people who are even not blind, text and describe their cloths and
colors on them.
I am using a cane and never had a problem.
If you have a guide dog, you can call and ask after you request a
driver. If the driver doesn't want to take your dog, you can cancel it
and request another one.
If you rate a driver under 3. the system does not match you with that
driver again.
I hope this helps.




2016-01-23 16:23 GMT-05:00, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> The issue with Uber, and Lyft to some extent is the fact that many
> drivers deny service to guide dog handlers. As a guide dog handler
> myself, I stopped using Uber a couple years ago because it was not
> worth my time, effort, and money to use a service that worked only 20%
> of the time. Lyft is a much better service for guide dog handlers in
> my opinion, but it's no where near perfect. If you are a cane user, I
> don't think getting an Uber would pose any issues for you.
>
> Minh
>
> On 1/23/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi, Amanda,
>>
>> From what I understand the majority of complaints against Oober have
>> come about because of issues regarding denial of service to guide dog
>> users.  While I cannot personally speak to that as I do not use a dog,
>> I can say that I know plenty of people who use Oober and who do not
>> encounter problems.  I personally have never had an issue with drivers
>> that I felt was terrible, and if the driver has given me what I don't
>> consider to be polite and reasonable service I don't feel bad about
>> not giving them a 5 star rating at the end of my trip (I've only given
>> anything but a 5 once and the guy got a 3 for being rude when I asked
>> him to take what I knew to be a shorter route and he argued with me
>> about it).
>>
>> I also think the more you use Oober the more you learn about the
>> drivers in your area.  I have pretty good relationships with some of
>> the drivers I've used consistently, and usually if I find a new driver
>> who is pretty good I'll suggest that they check out the area around my
>> university as a tip.  It might be a little self-serving because it
>> increases my own odds of getting a helpful driver, but it is a huge
>> area of service for Oober and the more experienced drivers like to
>> hang around here already sometimes.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> On 1/23/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
>>> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
>>> Thanks,anda
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division 2015-2016
>>
>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
>
> --
> Minh Ha
> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
> minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 23:45:50 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:45:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9fQpvnPr_sayePPpgsimK6GSW-n3j8kdu8UocyengBcyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZz_nLUNXzfwADtJQ_mAa-g_wLdf8d0OhnYRGx5K-KXSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gpJdpgVKFOvC9Z5UhZsQABHFE=WOZZj+PNqSOK-6-JKQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMtP_9fQpvnPr_sayePPpgsimK6GSW-n3j8kdu8UocyengBcyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82976504-D61E-4C75-9482-65C67CB0C4F5@gmail.com>

Thanks for the tips and info.

Amanda

> On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:31 PM, Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amanda,
> When they arrive they press a button on their app and you get a
> message telling you that your driver is there.
> When you request a driver, there are some options. One of them is
> contact driver. I call the driver and let him or her know that I am
> blind, so I can't find the car. They need to recognize me.
> Some people who are even not blind, text and describe their cloths and
> colors on them.
> I am using a cane and never had a problem.
> If you have a guide dog, you can call and ask after you request a
> driver. If the driver doesn't want to take your dog, you can cancel it
> and request another one.
> If you rate a driver under 3. the system does not match you with that
> driver again.
> I hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2016-01-23 16:23 GMT-05:00, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> The issue with Uber, and Lyft to some extent is the fact that many
>> drivers deny service to guide dog handlers. As a guide dog handler
>> myself, I stopped using Uber a couple years ago because it was not
>> worth my time, effort, and money to use a service that worked only 20%
>> of the time. Lyft is a much better service for guide dog handlers in
>> my opinion, but it's no where near perfect. If you are a cane user, I
>> don't think getting an Uber would pose any issues for you.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>>> On 1/23/16, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi, Amanda,
>>> 
>>> From what I understand the majority of complaints against Oober have
>>> come about because of issues regarding denial of service to guide dog
>>> users.  While I cannot personally speak to that as I do not use a dog,
>>> I can say that I know plenty of people who use Oober and who do not
>>> encounter problems.  I personally have never had an issue with drivers
>>> that I felt was terrible, and if the driver has given me what I don't
>>> consider to be polite and reasonable service I don't feel bad about
>>> not giving them a 5 star rating at the end of my trip (I've only given
>>> anything but a 5 once and the guy got a 3 for being rude when I asked
>>> him to take what I knew to be a shorter route and he argued with me
>>> about it).
>>> 
>>> I also think the more you use Oober the more you learn about the
>>> drivers in your area.  I have pretty good relationships with some of
>>> the drivers I've used consistently, and usually if I find a new driver
>>> who is pretty good I'll suggest that they check out the area around my
>>> university as a tip.  It might be a little self-serving because it
>>> increases my own odds of getting a helpful driver, but it is a huge
>>> area of service for Oober and the more experienced drivers like to
>>> hang around here already sometimes.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>>> On 1/23/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
>>>> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
>>>> Thanks,anda
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti Shelton
>>> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>>> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>>> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>>> Division 2015-2016
>>> 
>>> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Minh Ha
>> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
>> minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
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From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Sat Jan 23 23:47:45 2016
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:47:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFPf2XhZuhnXnMemRiPt-w+BiXTNpjr4yMPph9PCvvvk-A@mail.gmail.com>

I have low vision and it's always been fine for me.
On Jan 23, 2016 12:21, "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
> Thanks,anda
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
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>

From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 24 00:45:15 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:45:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <auto-000048010178@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I didn't intentionally ignore messages from you, I haven't received 
anything.  I checked the list of addresses that excludes people from 
the student and other master lists.  You are not on it, so there is 
nothing blocking you from this end.  Your stuff could be going into a 
spam folder, or is filtered out.

Dave

At 02:18 PM 1/22/2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello All,
>
>Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the wrong thing
>for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the best person
>to contact in regards to this issue.
>
>It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
>master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
>presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
>also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was provided on the
>information page for this email list without any success either. So I am not
>quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
>list.
>
>Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master email list,
>I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
>master email list be sent to this email list as well.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 24 00:46:13 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:46:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
In-Reply-To: <5698f800.4350810a.c1bfd.ffffcac8@mx.google.com>
References: <5698f800.4350810a.c1bfd.ffffcac8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000048010196@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You would of course save money, not havingt to pay hotel and air 
fare.  You would have registration, transportation, and food.

Dave

At 07:44 AM 1/15/2016, you wrote:
>Hi Dave thanks for your message.  Does the cost of convention 
>decrease for those who live in Orlando since they can take public 
>transportation to get to the hotel where convention is being held?
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 16:37:07 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 11:37:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Family law and speech therapy/pathology
Message-ID: <BD8BE65C-9594-402C-876D-737284AF6E30@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
Do any of you study or practice family law or speech therapy/pathology? I am interested in exploring these career paths.
Thanks,

Amanda

From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Jan 24 20:32:51 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:32:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <CABxPbFPf2XhZuhnXnMemRiPt-w+BiXTNpjr4yMPph9PCvvvk-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <69B8C18A-801B-4E1A-B539-8B9B9AA2746B@gmail.com>
	<CABxPbFPf2XhZuhnXnMemRiPt-w+BiXTNpjr4yMPph9PCvvvk-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419A71EE-B633-41DB-B39D-1FADEFF1793A@gmail.com>

Just to add a little to the conversation. While some dog users have had a bad experience, I have only been denied twice and I have used the service at least 150 times. To me, this is a far better record than I had when using taxis. I also like Lyft as an alternative, if there are not many Oober drivers in my area. 

I do not call ahead and let the driver know I have a guide dog because I feel like it just gives the driver an opportunity to discriminate against me without having to deal with me face to face. Indeed, one of the two times I was denied access, I mentioned to the driver over the phone that I had a service dog to help him in locating me and he cancelled the trip immediately after we hung up. 

I often use the contact driver feature to let the driver know I am blind or where I will be waiting, etc.

Best of luck if you try this option.


> On Jan 23, 2016, at 6:47 PM, john mestemacher via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have low vision and it's always been fine for me.
> On Jan 23, 2016 12:21, "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I have been thinking about using über and am wondering if its service to
>> blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
>> Thanks,anda
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jan 24 23:38:31 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 17:38:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About the Master Student Email List
In-Reply-To: <CC12DB37-4C8A-437B-84E2-84AD24363928@icloud.com>
References: <COL401-EAS4357AF6B052E8C2AF0E77CDBAC40@phx.gbl>
	<CC12DB37-4C8A-437B-84E2-84AD24363928@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000048050982@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Yes, there is something going on here, you are not on the list, and 
not in the exclude list either.  Same for Elizabeth Mohnke.

I am investigating!

Dave

At 02:48 PM 1/22/2016, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l wrote:
>I am having the same problec.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > Please forgive me if sending this email to the email list is the 
> wrong thing
> > for me to do. However, I am not completely sure who would be the 
> best person
> > to contact in regards to this issue.
> >
> > It appears as though I am no longer receiving emails from either the NFB
> > master email list or the NABS student master email list. I tried
> > presubscribing to the NABS student master email list without any success. I
> > also tried contacting David Andrews using the email that was 
> provided on the
> > information page for this email list without any success either. 
> So I am not
> > quite sure how to go about presubscribing to either one of the master email
> > list.
> >
> > Since I am not receiving any emails from the NABS student master 
> email list,
> > I would greatly appreciate it if the information sent to the NABS student
> > master email list be sent to this email list as well.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 13:09:39 2016
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 07:09:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
Message-ID: <56a61ece.c666ca0a.82058.4fdd@mx.google.com>

I believe it's against the law for Uber drivers (or anyone else 
for that matter) to deny service just because you have a dog.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:32:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Uber

Just to add a little to the conversation. While some dog users 
have had a bad experience, I have only been denied twice and I 
have used the service at least 150 times. To me, this is a far 
better record than I had when using taxis. I also like Lyft as an 
alternative, if there are not many Oober drivers in my area.

I do not call ahead and let the driver know I have a guide dog 
because I feel like it just gives the driver an opportunity to 
discriminate against me without having to deal with me face to 
face. Indeed, one of the two times I was denied access, I 
mentioned to the driver over the phone that I had a service dog 
to help him in locating me and he cancelled the trip immediately 
after we hung up.

I often use the contact driver feature to let the driver know I 
am blind or where I will be waiting, etc.

Best of luck if you try this option.


 On Jan 23, 2016, at 6:47 PM, john mestemacher via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I have low vision and it's always been fine for me.
 On Jan 23, 2016 12:21, "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

 Hi,
 I have been thinking about using 체ber and am wondering if its 
service to
 blind customers has improved. Does anyone have experiences?
 Thanks,anda
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 23:27:51 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:27:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Circulating information
Message-ID: <56908387-BC23-48A2-B6C9-A2E30B0DC7EB@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhoneHi Dave,
 
Please post the below announcement to all of the list servers. This is the last week to respond to this survey. If you would like to have accessible banking and financial information, please help. 
 
My name is Dr. Brian Wentz, and I am an Associate Professor of Management Information Systems at Shippensburg University.  I along with Dr. June Pham, an Associate Professor of Finance, and Kailee Tressler, an undergraduate student at Shippensburg University, are conducting a web-based survey with users who are blind to learn more about the impact that the accessibility of banking and finance websites and apps can have on work and daily life. The goal of this research is to compile data regarding the experiences and problems that blind users encounter that are related to banking and finance website and app accessibility. We are looking for blind, screen reader users, not able to use screen magnification, who are 18 years of age or older, and are users of banking and/or financial websites and/or apps to assist us with this survey.
 
Survey participants will complete a web-based survey that will take approximately 15 to 25 minutes to complete. The survey will ask you questions regarding the experiences and problems that blind users encounter that are related to banking and finance website and app accessibility. Participation in this study is voluntary, and you are at liberty to withdraw your consent to the experiment and discontinue participation at any time without prejudice. Personal information or accounts will not be used at any time. You will be entered in a drawing to win one of 4 $50 gift cards. The drawing will take place in February 2016, and the winners will be notified via email.
 
All information will remain strictly confidential, and once it is coded, the original information will be stored in a locked location in my office at Shippensburg University.
The following is two links that both take you to the web-based survey (one is a shorter URL in case you have any difficulty with the longer URL from Survey Gizmo):http://goo.gl/T80eOS orhttp://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/2399646/Accessibility-of-Banking-and-Finance-Websites-and-Apps 
 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 18:25:53 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:25:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom under
	the Ada
Message-ID: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of 
you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my 
Principles of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put 
pictures of things that represent us onto a word document and 
upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon I 
contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted 
assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a 
list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the 
visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, what 
other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college 
classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.


From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jan 28 02:56:52 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:56:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: World Health Organization and assistive technology
Message-ID: <auto-000048973652@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>From: Assistive Technology Online Network 
>[mailto:ATNETWORK at LISTSERV.SC.EDU] On Behalf Of Carol Page
>Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 8:57 AM
>To: ATNETWORK at LISTSERV.SC.EDU
>Subject: World Health Organization and assistive technology
>
>
>
>This is from the <http://www.who.int/>World Health Organization:
>
>
>
>
>We would like to invite you to participate in 
>the WHO-GATE global survey to identify the top 
>50 priority assistive products. The survey is 
>open to all stakeholders, but users or potential 
>users of assistive technologies, their families 
>and organizations are particularly encouraged to 
>participate. We are aiming for the highest 
>number of responses from as many countries as 
>possible. Please share the link to the survey 
>with any user or provider of assistive technologies among your contacts.
>
>You may access the online survey in 37 different languages through this link:
>
><https://extranet.who.int/dataform/355553/>https://extranet.who.int/dataform/355553/ 
>
>
>By completing the survey you will contribute to 
>developing a standard list of most essential 
>assistive products that must be available in a 
>health system. The Assistive Products List (APL) 
>will serve as a model for countries to develop 
>their own national lists based on their specific 
>needs and available resources. The APL will help 
>guide countries in realizing their commitments 
>as signatories of the Convention on the Rights 
>of Persons with Disabilities by setting a minimum standard of provision.
>
>Should you be unable to complete the survey 
>online you may download the word version from 
>the WHO website (in the language of your choice) 
>and return the filled-in form by email. Please 
>find the PDF and word versions of the 52 
>different languages by following this link:
><http://www.who.int/phi/implementation/assistive_technology/global_survey-apl/en/>http://www.who.int/phi/implementation/assistive_technology/global_survey-apl/en/
>
>The deadline for completing the survey is the 
>3rd of March 2016. Thank you for your support in 
>this initiative. Please do not hesitate to 
>contact me with any further questions or comments.
>
>Best Regards,
>Andrea Pupulin
>World Health Organization | Avenue Appia 20 | 1211 Geneva | Switzerland
><mailto:pupulina at who.int>pupulina at who.int
>
>
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 16:18:52 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:18:52 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
 under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.253.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good Thursday morning, Rona,

         Exactly what teach suggested is what I'd say. I mean, what 
else might you be looking for? Plainly, words that express what other 
students are using graphics to depict is the most obvious of 
workarounds for the assignment, is it not?
Let us know if you get any ideas which make the cut, won't you?
Car At 10:25 AM 1/27/2016, you wrote:
>Dear Students,
>
>I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of 
>you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles 
>of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things 
>that represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online 
>course site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and 
>explained that I would require sighted assistance to complete this 
>project.  She told me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and 
>experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans 
>with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be 
>provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.
>
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 16:23:12 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:23:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56aa3fb9.04fa8c0a.73489.ffff9a28SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
	<56aa3fb9.04fa8c0a.73489.ffff9a28SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003301d159e8$2f2120c0$8d636240$@gmail.com>

I think what your professor suggested is reasonable enough. I mean come on
it's a list of your interests, hobbies etc. seems to be easy enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:19 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
under the Ada

Good Thursday morning, Rona,

         Exactly what teach suggested is what I'd say. I mean, what else
might you be looking for? Plainly, words that express what other students
are using graphics to depict is the most obvious of workarounds for the
assignment, is it not?
Let us know if you get any ideas which make the cut, won't you?
Car At 10:25 AM 1/27/2016, you wrote:
>Dear Students,
>
>I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of you.  
>Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of 
>Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that 
>represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online course 
>site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and explained that 
>I would require sighted assistance to complete this project.  She told 
>me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as 
>opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities 
>Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college 
>classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.
>
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Thu Jan 28 16:31:15 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:31:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College
	Classroomunder the Ada
Message-ID: <56aa4264.458f8c0a.b6a17.5b60@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I agree.  That seems reasonable.  You are giving the same 
information and meeting equal expectations to your classmates.

God Bless,
Christina
"Slow down.  Just breathe.  All we have is all we need...I'm not 
scared to lose it all when all I have is beautiful." --Icon for 
Hire

----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:23:12 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College 
Classroomunder the Ada

I think what your professor suggested is reasonable enough.  I 
mean come on
it's a list of your interests, hobbies etc.  seems to be easy 
enough.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:19 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College 
Classroom
under the Ada

Good Thursday morning, Rona,

         Exactly what teach suggested is what I'd say.  I mean, 
what else
might you be looking for? Plainly, words that express what other 
students
are using graphics to depict is the most obvious of workarounds 
for the
assignment, is it not?
Let us know if you get any ideas which make the cut, won't you?
Car At 10:25 AM 1/27/2016, you wrote:
Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of 
you.
Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of
Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things 
that
represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online 
course
site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and explained 
that
I would require sighted assistance to complete this project.  She 
told
me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as
opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans with 
Disabilities
Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a 
college
classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.

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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 18:28:25 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:28:25 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] bypassing google capcha's
Message-ID: <56aa5e03.a15a420a.85e95.565f@mx.google.com>

Hi, I'm trying to sigm in to my dropbox account and it's asking 
for a google captcha.  Any app for an iphone I could use to 
bypass this?


From pompey2010 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 21:18:02 2016
From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:18:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
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Hello, 

If you are not satisfied with the alternative option your professor has offered, I have an idea that may work. Instead of just listing your hobbies and interests, you could describe pictures you may have chosen if you had vision and explain why. For example, if you have a bright  and warm personality but you are shy at times you could explain that you would’ve chosen a photo of a big sun peeking from behind the clouds to represent this character trait.  

I hope I have explained this in a way that is easy to understand and I hope it helps. I’d love to know what you ultimately decide to do. 

Best wishes, 

Bobbi A. L. Pompey
(336) 988-6375
pompey2010 at yahoo.com
bobbialpompey at gmail.com

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 1:25 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.
> 
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 21:35:37 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:35:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <0EF81D13-038C-49DD-BDF5-A6DCD6DA9450@gmail.com>

If you are familiar with audio editing, you could search for various sound bytes instead of pictures and put all of these together into an audio file that your teacher can play. This, to me, is the most obvious alternative to a picture collage that still preserves the overall purpose of the assignment. For example, if I were doing this assignment, I might use the sound of a guitar being played, a rocket launch, someone singing do, re, mi, a cat meowing and a professor reading off equations to a class. If you like swimming, throw in a splashing sound and a life guard's whistle. If you like dancing, throw in the sounds of tap shoes. If you like cooking, maybe the sound of an egg cracking and sizzling as it hits a hot pan. Sound bytes are about as easy to find as clip art and stock photos are. 

Best,
Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 22:27:43 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:27:43 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser
Message-ID: <56aa961b.da47620a.f6585.ffff87ac@mx.google.com>

Hi, is there an ios appp for bypassing google captcha? I'm trying 
to recover a google account.


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 22:35:17 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:35:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser
In-Reply-To: <56aa961b.da47620a.f6585.ffff87ac@mx.google.com>
References: <56aa961b.da47620a.f6585.ffff87ac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B019650E-5D30-4EC7-939A-AC1452E147D7@gmail.com>

Hi, 
No there is not an app. At the botom of the page there is a check box that says something like bypass captcha phone verification may be required. Check that box and you should be good. 
Let me know if you need anymore help, 
Nesma 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 17:27, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, is there an ios appp for bypassing google captcha? I'm trying to recover a google account.
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 22:39:22 2016
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:39:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser
Message-ID: <56aa98d5.4112620a.9c71c.ffff8326@mx.google.com>

I'm not creating a new account.  I'm trying to recovg a deleted 
account from addile ago.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:35:17 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser

Hi,
No there is not an app.  At the botom of the page there is a 
check box that says something like bypass captcha phone 
verification may be required.  Check that box and you should be 
good.
Let me know if you need anymore help,
Nesma

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 28, 2016, at 17:27, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

 Hi, is there an ios appp for bypassing google captcha? I'm 
trying to recover a google account.

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 23:07:37 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:07:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	underthe Ada
In-Reply-To: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <999C000A8FC1494397872CFD80C9EDCA@OwnerPC>

Hi Roanna,

I think your professor is trying to be accomodating.
The ADA does say we need reasonable accomodations but in post secondary 
education section 504 of the Civil Rights Act covers us as well.
None of us are lawyers. But it is my understanding that civil rights laws 
say we have the right to the same services as our nondisabled counterparts.
So you should be able to participate in a service in a place of public 
accomodation with or without accomodations.
In this case, the service is an educational environment.

For accomodations, they can accommodate you in a number of ways.
They can provide a reader to assist you in picking out the visuals, 
something which most colleges do not do.
They can also modify the assignment so you can complete it alone, or provide 
an alternative assignment that meets the same educational objectives.

In this instance, it sounds like the pictures represent things about you. 
Therefore, you can do the assignment, so a substitute is not necessary. But, 
a modification of the assignment is needed so you can do it alone. You have 
a modified assignment now, so that is fine, but listing things is easier.
than what they had to do in my opinion.

I think picking out pictures involves some analysis and critical thinking 
and they also have to search for them.
So, to be picky, the assignment you get should require these skills too.
Some modifications can be as follows:
1. Searching for sound clips of things about you; like a ball game if you 
like sports or the ocean if you like the beach. This can be put in a word 
file too.
2. Tactile things are also equivalent to seeing. So, a collage of tactile 
pieces along with a short explanation of what it means would also work. For 
instance, a feather if you like birds, a ball for sports or even soft fabric 
to represent a blanket. I don't think this is as realistic for a college 
assignment; you cannot upload this thing, you'd have to bring it to the 
professor, and it may take too long to gather the material. But, still, its 
an idea and an equivalent assignment I think.

3. Describing the pictures you would have picked.

Hope this is helpful.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Roanna Bacchus
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom 
underthe Ada

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of
you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my
Principles of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put
pictures of things that represent us onto a word document and
upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon I
contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted
assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a
list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the
visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, what
other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college
classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 23:38:39 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 15:38:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
 under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <0EF81D13-038C-49DD-BDF5-A6DCD6DA9450@gmail.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
	<0EF81D13-038C-49DD-BDF5-A6DCD6DA9450@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.254.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Jamie,

Great suggestions! Sounds to be a little heavy on the tech, knowing 
for me, but hopefully this won't be a problem?
CarAt 01:35 PM 1/28/2016, you wrote:
>If you are familiar with audio editing, you could search for various 
>sound bytes instead of pictures and put all of these together into 
>an audio file that your teacher can play. This, to me, is the most 
>obvious alternative to a picture collage that still preserves the 
>overall purpose of the assignment. For example, if I were doing this 
>assignment, I might use the sound of a guitar being played, a rocket 
>launch, someone singing do, re, mi, a cat meowing and a professor 
>reading off equations to a class. If you like swimming, throw in a 
>splashing sound and a life guard's whistle. If you like dancing, 
>throw in the sounds of tap shoes. If you like cooking, maybe the 
>sound of an egg cracking and sizzling as it hits a hot pan. Sound 
>bytes are about as easy to find as clip art and stock photos are.
>
>Best,
>Jamie
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Students,
> >
> > I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of 
> you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles 
> of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things 
> that represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online 
> course site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and 
> explained that I would require sighted assistance to complete this 
> project.  She told me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, 
> and experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under the 
> Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable 
> accommodations can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to 
> hear your responses.
> >
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 01:16:08 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:16:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser
In-Reply-To: <56aa98d5.4112620a.9c71c.ffff8326@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <874264CD-0FE3-4E97-9B5D-CC6FAB14B30A@gmail.com>

I have never done that before but I would not see why that check button won’t be there
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 17:39, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm not creating a new account.  I'm trying to recovg a deleted account from addile ago.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nesma Aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:35:17 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] captcha bypasser
> 
> Hi,
> No there is not an app.  At the botom of the page there is a check box that says something like bypass captcha phone verification may be required.  Check that box and you should be good.
> Let me know if you need anymore help,
> Nesma
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 28, 2016, at 17:27, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, is there an ios appp for bypassing google captcha? I'm trying to recover a google account.
> 
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 01:31:44 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:31:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	under the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56aaa6da.115b8c0a.33b03.fffffecbSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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	<0EF81D13-038C-49DD-BDF5-A6DCD6DA9450@gmail.com>
	<56aaa6da.115b8c0a.33b03.fffffecbSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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You could also just record sounds with a tape recorder, or with your phone. Then all you would have to do is send the completed file to your instructor. Remember, that a lot of the challenge of this activity for your classmates is figuring out how to put the images into the word document to begin with. Figuring out how to put sound clips into a single audio file would be a similar challenge for you. If your school has a computer lab, there might be someone in there who knows how to do this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Afternoon, Jamie,
> 
> Great suggestions! Sounds to be a little heavy on the tech, knowing for me, but hopefully this won't be a problem?
> CarAt 01:35 PM 1/28/2016, you wrote:
>> If you are familiar with audio editing, you could search for various sound bytes instead of pictures and put all of these together into an audio file that your teacher can play. This, to me, is the most obvious alternative to a picture collage that still preserves the overall purpose of the assignment. For example, if I were doing this assignment, I might use the sound of a guitar being played, a rocket launch, someone singing do, re, mi, a cat meowing and a professor reading off equations to a class. If you like swimming, throw in a splashing sound and a life guard's whistle. If you like dancing, throw in the sounds of tap shoes. If you like cooking, maybe the sound of an egg cracking and sizzling as it hits a hot pan. Sound bytes are about as easy to find as clip art and stock photos are.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Jamie
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jan 27, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Students,
>> >
>> > I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of you.  Last Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of Advertising class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that represent us onto a word document and upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon I contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a list of my interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under the Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable accommodations can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.
>> >
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 02:20:02 2016
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:20:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom
	under	the Ada
In-Reply-To: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
References: <56a90bb5.c338810a.d3296.6ea7@mx.google.com>
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I'm not sure that it's the professor's responsibility to provide sighted
assistance. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but then it would seem reasonable
that a blind student could partner up with someone from class or use a
reader to tell what images are wanted and apply the images to a Word
document as requested. Advertisement relies a lot on visual stimulus. If
this is an area you're planning on entering, this would be a great time to
figure out a system that will help you contribute to future projects. It's
going to take some creativity, but I think it's doable. Best of luck to you.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Roanna Bacchus
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College Classroom under
the Ada

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of you.  Last
Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of Advertising
class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that represent us onto a
word document and upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday afternoon
I contacted my professor and explained that I would require sighted
assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a list of my
interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the visual images.  Under
the Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable accommodations
can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your responses.

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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 29 14:26:19 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:26:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College
	Classroomunder	the Ada
Message-ID: <56ab769d.035e8c0a.43263.fffffc9e@mx.google.com>

It is not the responssibility of the professor but that of the 
disability office to provide readers, scribes Etc.
It is a student's responsibility to communicate with the 
professor and disability office about how to adapt assignments.
I have had readers, scribes and tutors throughout my undergrad 
thus far.
I find it helpful to request syllaby before the class starts so I 
can schedule meetings as soon as possible with the professor if I 
have concerns.
God Bless,
Christina
"Slow down.  Just breathe.  All we have is all we need...I'm not 
scared to lose it all when all I have is beautiful." --Icon for 
Hire

----- Original Message -----
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To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 21:20:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College 
Classroomunder	the Ada

I'm not sure that it's the professor's responsibility to provide 
sighted
assistance.  Maybe I'm wrong about that, but then it would seem 
reasonable
that a blind student could partner up with someone from class or 
use a
reader to tell what images are wanted and apply the images to a 
Word
document as requested.  Advertisement relies a lot on visual 
stimulus.  If
this is an area you're planning on entering, this would be a 
great time to
figure out a system that will help you contribute to future 
projects.  It's
going to take some creativity, but I think it's doable.  Best of 
luck to you.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

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Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 1:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Roanna Bacchus
Subject: [nabs-l] Reasonable Accommodations in the College 
Classroom under
the Ada

Dear Students,

I hope all of you are doing well.  I have a question for all of 
you.  Last
Thursday we received our first project in my Principles of 
Advertising
class.  The assignment is to put pictures of things that 
represent us onto a
word document and upload it to our online course site.  Yesterday 
afternoon
I contacted my professor and explained that I would require 
sighted
assistance to complete this project.  She told me to submit a 
list of my
interests, hobbies, and experiences as opposed to the visual 
images.  Under
the Americans with Disabilities Act, what other reasonable 
accommodations
can be provided in a college classrom? I'd love to hear your 
responses.

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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 15:08:04 2016
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:08:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
Message-ID: <CAAqtePTog31CXzb=-iBxgGxfH--R_EgPYG15K=QgKtN6FWTPpA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I am currently a student at LCB and am headed back to college in the
fall. I am pursuing a degree in information sciences. I have some
questions in regards
to math below and I was hoping to find some answers. Thank you all so
much for your input.

I am currently using a big nemeth text book, called “Learning the
Nemeth Braille code for teachers and students” by Ruth Creg,
transcribed in 1991, adopted
by Bana in 1987. Are there more condensed materials or better tools
for learning nemeth?

What strategies would you recommend to a new nemeth reader for reading math?

I used to look at math visually. I am here for training now at LCB. I
am learning nonvisual techniques and I am reading braille with an
electronic display.
Since I used to look at an entire problem all at once, now how can I
look at a problem in its entirety using nonvisual techniques?

In regards to math text books, I can read text better using audio but
then equations are thrown in with the text. What is the best way to
handle a math
text book? I have had a book with the theory all in one file and then
links to separate files with the equations. Is this the best way or
are there better
techniques?

how might latex and math ML be used in reading math?

what programs should I use and with which screen readers? I have JAWS,
NVDA, iOS, a focus forty braille display, are there better tools?

When math problems are read during lectures, what accommodations do I
need to request? How do I access handwritten notes from the TA or note
taker?

Again, thank you so much for your help.

Syed


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 15:50:56 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:50:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
though people on here were offended by my response to this message. However,
from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The college
is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather difficult
to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to
do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone
has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it
rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
resources and a lack of support from other people.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
at least give it a try.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 29 15:52:38 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:52:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
Message-ID: <56ab8ad8.c61e8c0a.b3e22.02d3@mx.google.com>

Hey,
My=20math=20class=20was=20a=20nightmare=20due=20to=20different=20reasons.
I=20had=20the=20textbook=20in=20braille=20and=20three=20tutor/scribe=20peop=
le.
So,=20I=20would=20find=20responses=20to=20this=20question=20useful=20as=20w=
ell.
God=20Bless,
Christina
"Slow=20down.=20=20Just=20breathe.=20=20All=20we=20have=20is=20all=20we=20n=
eed...I'm=20not=20
scared=20to=20lose=20it=20all=20when=20all=20I=20have=20is=20beautiful."=20=
--Icon=20for=20
Hire

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Syed=20Rizvi=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Fri,=2029=20Jan=202016=2009:08:04=20-0600
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20College=20Math

Hello=20All,

I=20am=20currently=20a=20student=20at=20LCB=20and=20am=20headed=20back=20to=
=20college=20in=20
the
fall.=20=20I=20am=20pursuing=20a=20degree=20in=20information=20sciences.=20=
=20I=20have=20
some
questions=20in=20regards
to=20math=20below=20and=20I=20was=20hoping=20to=20find=20some=20answers.=20=
=20Thank=20you=20
all=20so
much=20for=20your=20input.

I=20am=20currently=20using=20a=20big=20nemeth=20text=20book,=20called=20=E2=
=80=9CLearning=20
the
Nemeth=20Braille=20code=20for=20teachers=20and=20students=E2=80=9D=20by=20R=
uth=20Creg,
transcribed=20in=201991,=20adopted
by=20Bana=20in=201987.=20=20Are=20there=20more=20condensed=20materials=20or=
=20better=20
tools
for=20learning=20nemeth?

What=20strategies=20would=20you=20recommend=20to=20a=20new=20nemeth=20reade=
r=20for=20
reading=20math?

I=20used=20to=20look=20at=20math=20visually.=20=20I=20am=20here=20for=20tra=
ining=20now=20at=20
LCB.=20=20I
am=20learning=20nonvisual=20techniques=20and=20I=20am=20reading=20braille=20=
with=20an
electronic=20display.
Since=20I=20used=20to=20look=20at=20an=20entire=20problem=20all=20at=20once=
,=20now=20how=20
can=20I
look=20at=20a=20problem=20in=20its=20entirety=20using=20nonvisual=20techniq=
ues?

In=20regards=20to=20math=20text=20books,=20I=20can=20read=20text=20better=20=
using=20audio=20
but
then=20equations=20are=20thrown=20in=20with=20the=20text.=20=20What=20is=20=
the=20best=20way=20
to
handle=20a=20math
text=20book?=20I=20have=20had=20a=20book=20with=20the=20theory=20all=20in=20=
one=20file=20and=20
then
links=20to=20separate=20files=20with=20the=20equations.=20=20Is=20this=20th=
e=20best=20way=20
or
are=20there=20better
techniques?

how=20might=20latex=20and=20math=20ML=20be=20used=20in=20reading=20math?

what=20programs=20should=20I=20use=20and=20with=20which=20screen=20readers?=
=20I=20have=20
JAWS,
NVDA,=20iOS,=20a=20focus=20forty=20braille=20display,=20are=20there=20bette=
r=20tools?

When=20math=20problems=20are=20read=20during=20lectures,=20what=20accommoda=
tions=20
do=20I
need=20to=20request?=20How=20do=20I=20access=20handwritten=20notes=20from=20=
the=20TA=20or=20
note
taker?

Again,=20thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20your=20help.

Syed

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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 15:56:32 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:56:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>

One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and truly succeeding in your college life. 
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message. However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
> at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 16:42:07 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:42:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Aleeha,

Thank you for your response. However, I am not quite sure how this advice is
goint to help me get through this class. And going to an NFB training center
would be absolutely great except for the fact that I do not have the money
to attend an NFB training center. Plus, I am still not quite sure how I
would be able to manage all my health issues while attending an NFB training
center either. So some practical advice on how I could make it through this
class would be great.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
truly succeeding in your college life. 
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
> at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 16:52:50 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:52:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <DEF1707B-22EF-424A-AB98-49C499DE931F@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I know that it can feel frustrating to have to battle for your accommodations and always have to find solutions for yourself. I would love to try and help you deal with this frustrating and difficult situation. Do you have FaceTime or Skype? Where do you live? I live in Canada.
Hope to hear from you soon.

Amanda

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Aleeha,
> 
> Thank you for your response. However, I am not quite sure how this advice is
> goint to help me get through this class. And going to an NFB training center
> would be absolutely great except for the fact that I do not have the money
> to attend an NFB training center. Plus, I am still not quite sure how I
> would be able to manage all my health issues while attending an NFB training
> center either. So some practical advice on how I could make it through this
> class would be great.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life. 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>> 
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>> 
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>> 
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>> 
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
>> at least give it a try.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 29 16:53:56 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqxUetSZsim76cwYL4pTPpo2pJtevw_sNcGUSuiGx+-zv9eeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are very
unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you are
not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our best
to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they say.
First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be able
to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study the
information.
Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational rehab not
helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to pay
for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your educational
goals.
Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting one.
I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would put
off your education considerably which is something you should consider
when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful but I
am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home with
skills but still without the resources to use those skills. Advocacy
can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have the
economical means to pursue their education and their state and other
organizations are not willing to help, than a training center will do
nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for this
class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes from the
TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader and
they can get paid for it.
I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services should
provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and essential
accommodation for your circumstances.

On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
>> as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
>> seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
>> with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
>> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
>> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
>> the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
>> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
>> to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
>> my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
>> my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
>> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
>> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>>
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
>> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
>> someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
>> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
>> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
>> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
>> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
>> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
>> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
>> to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
>> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
>> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
>> would
>> at least give it a try.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From filerime at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 16:56:41 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:56:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cW_SSvttmyPz2URC3d-nFST+njD_AH4j=vcuefqxvEDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth,
I totally support you. It is possible for a blind person not to have a
laptop, and schools should not expect you to have one. They provide
computer labs for all other students, so you should be able to use
them as a student of that school. What I am trying to say is those
computers should be accessible to you, because this is your right as a
student.
I understand how frustrating it is for you to be in this situation.
I have some suggestion’s
NVDA have a very nice portable version and it is free. You just put it
in a flash drive and it works on every windows computer. You just need
to plug in your drive to a regular computer and then start NVDA. Then
it turns into a talking computer. The keyboard commends are very
similar to jaws, so you can use this for your exams.
Let me know if you want to try this option and need any help.
I am ready to do whatever I can, because our education journeys are
hard enough and I don’t want to see any blind students suffers from
this anymore.
This can be your first step solution. Then you can contact your state
NFB people and ask them specifically contact to your school on behalf
of you. They may talk to disability office and explain the legal
requirements.
You can contact me from my personal e-mail.
filerime at gmail.com



2016-01-29 10:56 GMT-05:00, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
>> as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
>> seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
>> with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
>> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
>> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
>> the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
>> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
>> to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
>> my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
>> my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
>> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
>> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>>
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
>> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
>> someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
>> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
>> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
>> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
>> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
>> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
>> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
>> to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
>> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
>> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
>> would
>> at least give it a try.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:00:05 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:00:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56ab9ab7.d519810a.e5e5a.3942@mx.google.com>

Dear Elizabeth,

College is really not feasible without some method of writing.  
You either have to learn braille well enough to be functional, or 
find some kind of technology that you can write on.  It sounds 
like your rehab agency is not doing their job in providing you 
with at least minimal technology.  If it's not practically 
possible to get them to do there job in time for exams, I would 
suggest that the most cost effective thing to do is to get a 
smart phone and use a word processing app.  Even a relatively 
inexpensive smart phone with a bluetooth keyboard would let you 
write out answers.  You could then either read what you'd written 
to your scribe to put it on the test or show them your screen and 
have them copy your answers out or just e-mail your answers to 
your professors.  Most phone companies will allow you to buy a 
smart phone on an installment plan at a reasonably affordable 
price.

I hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:50:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hello All,

There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It 
seems as
though people on here were offended by my response to this 
message. However,
from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the 
classroom seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could 
take with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took 
classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for 
answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, 
it appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. 
The college
is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but 
most of the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask 
about the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, 
there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a 
loss as to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going 
to fail my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to 
write out my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my 
exam? My
college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to 
provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my 
professor, she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the 
disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the 
disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I 
feel like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for 
me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it 
rather difficult
to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it 
to someone
else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in 
this
situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very 
well. But
since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and 
the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the 
computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as 
to what to
do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was 
going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
frustrated when
I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to 
them from
their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets 
privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and 
not everyone
has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive 
services
from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I 
just find it
rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited 
amount of
resources and a lack of support from other people.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my 
messages to the
email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
frustrated by
life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure 
out what to
do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and 
that I can
never really get the support I need from others when I need it. 
The NFB has
never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical 
that I will
be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I 
thought I would
at least give it a try.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:04:03 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:04:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>

Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be 
to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the 
technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be 
feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hi,

I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are 
very
unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you 
are
not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our 
best
to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they 
say.
First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be 
able
to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study 
the
information.
Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational 
rehab not
helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to 
pay
for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your 
educational
goals.
Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting 
one.
I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would 
put
off your education considerably which is something you should 
consider
when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful 
but I
am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home 
with
skills but still without the resources to use those skills. 
Advocacy
can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have 
the
economical means to pursue their education and their state and 
other
organizations are not willing to help, than a training center 
will do
nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for 
this
class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes 
from the
TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader 
and
they can get paid for it.
I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services 
should
provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and 
essential
accommodation for your circumstances.

On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not 
give up. One
 of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille 
skills and
 problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will 
gain confidence
 in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think 
that would
 really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for 
yourself and
 truly succeeding in your college life.
 On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 There was a message thread on here not too long ago about 
someone being
 upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. 
It seems
 as
 though people on here were offended by my response to this 
message.
 However,
 from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the 
classroom
 seems
 to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
everyone can
 afford a computer that they can take to class.

 I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could 
take
 with
 me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
failing my
 exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took 
classes
 before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for 
answering
 short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, 
it
 appears
 as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. 
The
 college
 is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but 
most of
 the
 time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I 
ask about
 the
 status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing 
room, there
 always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a 
loss as
 to
 what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going 
to fail
 my
 class because of a lack of accommodations.

 So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to 
write out
 my
 answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on 
my exam?
 My
 college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to 
provide and
 approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my 
professor,
 she
 will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the 
disabilities
 office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
 disabilities
 office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so 
I feel
 like
 I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

 It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
office
 provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for 
me when
 answering short answer questions on exams because I find it 
rather
 difficult
 to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it 
to
 someone
 else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in 
this
 situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very 
well. But
 since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, 
and the
 college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the 
computers on
 campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss 
as to what
 to
 do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was 
going to be
 facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

 I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
frustrated
 when
 I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to 
them from
 their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets 
privilege of
 receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and 
not
 everyone
 has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive 
services
 from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I 
just find
 it
 rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my 
limited amount
 of
 resources and a lack of support from other people.

 Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my 
messages to
 the
 email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
frustrated by
 life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure 
out what
 to
 do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and 
that I can
 never really get the support I need from others when I need it. 
The NFB
 has
 never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical 
that I
 will
 be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I 
thought I
 would
 at least give it a try.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:09:00 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:09:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS3237D27BDAD49CEF8545B34BADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I am so sorry that that I sent my message asking for help with my situation.
It seems to me like no one really understands me, and I guess I do not know
how to communicate with other people so they can understand me anymore.

Elizabeth 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be to learn
braille well enough to use a slate and not need the technology she can't
afford.  I'm not sure that would be feasable, but that was the suggestion
that was being made.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,

I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are very
unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you are not
alone in having difficulties of this sort.
These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our best to
educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they say.
First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be allowed to
have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what devices you are
using/have access to currently but you should be able to record your
lectures so you can listen to them later to study the information.
Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational rehab not
helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need technology that
it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to pay for. They should be
willing/able to help you pursue your educational goals.
Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting one.
I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would put off
your education considerably which is something you should consider when
weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful but I am not sure
how it would benefit you since yes you would go home with skills but still
without the resources to use those skills. 
Advocacy
can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have the
economical means to pursue their education and their state and other
organizations are not willing to help, than a training center will do
nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for this class
would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes from the TA and
others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader and they can get
paid for it.
I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services should provide
the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and essential accommodation for
your circumstances.

On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up.
One  of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills
and  problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain
confidence  in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
that would  really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
yourself and  truly succeeding in your college life.
 On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. 
It seems
 as
 though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
 However,
 from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom  seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

 I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take  with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it  appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. 
The
 college
 is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of  the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about  the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as  to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail  my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

 So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out  my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
 My
 college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,  she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the  disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel  like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

 It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
difficult  to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
to  someone  else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
this  situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well.
But  since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
to  do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

 I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
when  I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them
from  their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
everyone  has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
services  from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
just find  it  rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
limited amount  of  resources and a lack of support from other people.

 Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
the  email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated
by  life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
to  do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I
can  never really get the support I need from others when I need it. 
The NFB
 has
 never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
will  be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
would  at least give it a try.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth

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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:22:07 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:22:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS3237D27BDAD49CEF8545B34BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<COL401-EAS3237D27BDAD49CEF8545B34BADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <11F25935-628C-4641-9EDC-2547ADEC6BDC@gmail.com>

Hello Elizabeth,
I believe that you have received a few suggestions and advice from students who have been in similar situations. Please feel free to contact me off list. I am sorry that you are feeling so frustrated.
Try to keep your chin up.

Amanda

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am so sorry that that I sent my message asking for help with my situation.
> It seems to me like no one really understands me, and I guess I do not know
> how to communicate with other people so they can understand me anymore.
> 
> Elizabeth 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be to learn
> braille well enough to use a slate and not need the technology she can't
> afford.  I'm not sure that would be feasable, but that was the suggestion
> that was being made.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are very
> unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you are not
> alone in having difficulties of this sort.
> These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our best to
> educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they say.
> First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be allowed to
> have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what devices you are
> using/have access to currently but you should be able to record your
> lectures so you can listen to them later to study the information.
> Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational rehab not
> helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need technology that
> it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to pay for. They should be
> willing/able to help you pursue your educational goals.
> Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting one.
> I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would put off
> your education considerably which is something you should consider when
> weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful but I am not sure
> how it would benefit you since yes you would go home with skills but still
> without the resources to use those skills. 
> Advocacy
> can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have the
> economical means to pursue their education and their state and other
> organizations are not willing to help, than a training center will do
> nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
> Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for this class
> would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes from the TA and
> others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader and they can get
> paid for it.
> I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services should provide
> the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and essential accommodation for
> your circumstances.
> 
> On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up.
> One  of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills
> and  problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain
> confidence  in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
> that would  really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
> yourself and  truly succeeding in your college life.
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. 
> It seems
> as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom  seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take  with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it  appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. 
> The
> college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of  the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about  the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as  to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail  my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out  my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
> My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,  she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the  disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel  like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult  to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
> to  someone  else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
> this  situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well.
> But  since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
> to  do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when  I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them
> from  their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone  has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
> services  from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
> just find  it  rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
> limited amount  of  resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the  email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated
> by  life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
> to  do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I
> can  never really get the support I need from others when I need it. 
> The NFB
> has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will  be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
> would  at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 17:26:28 2016
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:26:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>

The reason I say that you should attend a training center, Elizabeth, is because it will really help you build the confidence in yourself that you desperately need in order to begin to succeed in school. You also need some help getting assistance from state rehab. That can come through a couple of different channels, either from your state NFB affiliate or a client assistance program (CAP). They will help you know your rights and how to advocate for what you need. In your classes and job, you are going to need to know Braille, which is why you would need to learn it rather soon. I know that it isn’t always ideal to take time out of your schooling and career path, but it is what must be done if you are to be successful, at least in my opinion. I did not want to go to a center for years. I always thought it would take too much time away from my already delayed schooling and my career. However, a conversation I had with someone I have a great deal of respect for changed my opinion. I encourage you to at least give it some thought. Rehab has to, by law, assist you with getting training wherever you want, so one of the NFB training centers is an option for you. 
As for your struggles with your class, I do have a deep understanding of what that is like. I cannot speak of it here, but I have dealt with issues in the past that have given me a lot of experience on this topic. You may need to go up the chain now. Everyone has a boss. Try contacting the people in charge of the disability services office to see if they can help. Someone said it quite well: if you cannot afford your own laptop, the ones in the computer lab on the school’s campus should be accessible to you. NVDA is a good way to make them accessible, although it can sometimes be difficult to start from the thumb drive. 
These are just some of my thoughts.
Aleeha 
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are very
> unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you are
> not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
> These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our best
> to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they say.
> First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
> allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
> devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be able
> to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study the
> information.
> Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational rehab not
> helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
> technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to pay
> for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your educational
> goals.
> Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting one.
> I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would put
> off your education considerably which is something you should consider
> when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful but I
> am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home with
> skills but still without the resources to use those skills. Advocacy
> can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have the
> economical means to pursue their education and their state and other
> organizations are not willing to help, than a training center will do
> nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
> Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for this
> class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes from the
> TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader and
> they can get paid for it.
> I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services should
> provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and essential
> accommodation for your circumstances.
> 
> On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life.
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
> as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
> seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
> with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
> appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
> the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
> the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
> to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
> my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
> my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
> My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
> she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
> like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
> someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
> to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
> it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
> of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
> to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
> has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
> would
> at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 18:01:28 2016
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:01:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03BDDDC4-7D9C-4053-B5DC-F20A98ADAEE9@gmail.com>

Hi Elizabeth, 
 
  Aleeha has brought up some good points. 
 I am a person who is a big believer in the work our NFB training centers do.  The centers  build confidence and skills in ways that words can’t quite capture.  A great many people such as myself have benefited from those skills  in both good times and tough times and when a person is ready and willing to look into  their options for training and eventually put in the time, I think they might find they were really glad that they took the time to go get the skills.

 
 As it relates to your health concerns, I’m sure that the centers are more than willing to   support  you and help you do what you need to do to  manage whatever conditions you might have.  I hold the belief that if you want to get the training that pretty much anything else can be made to work.
 in the immediate, do talk to the people you  need to in order to get the  accommodations you need because it’s your education and whatever you need to learn  is whatever you need.  Remember that you have the right to get the accommodations and the responsibility to  insure you get them.
     
  

 

 
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The reason I say that you should attend a training center, Elizabeth, is because it will really help you build the confidence in yourself that you desperately need in order to begin to succeed in school. You also need some help getting assistance from state rehab. That can come through a couple of different channels, either from your state NFB affiliate or a client assistance program (CAP). They will help you know your rights and how to advocate for what you need. In your classes and job, you are going to need to know Braille, which is why you would need to learn it rather soon. I know that it isn’t always ideal to take time out of your schooling and career path, but it is what must be done if you are to be successful, at least in my opinion. I did not want to go to a center for years. I always thought it would take too much time away from my already delayed schooling and my career. However, a conversation I had with someone I have a great deal of respect for changed my opinion. I encourage you to at least give it some thought. Rehab has to, by law, assist you with getting training wherever you want, so one of the NFB training centers is an option for you. 
> As for your struggles with your class, I do have a deep understanding of what that is like. I cannot speak of it here, but I have dealt with issues in the past that have given me a lot of experience on this topic. You may need to go up the chain now. Everyone has a boss. Try contacting the people in charge of the disability services office to see if they can help. Someone said it quite well: if you cannot afford your own laptop, the ones in the computer lab on the school’s campus should be accessible to you. NVDA is a good way to make them accessible, although it can sometimes be difficult to start from the thumb drive. 
> These are just some of my thoughts.
> Aleeha 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are very
>> unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you are
>> not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
>> These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our best
>> to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they say.
>> First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
>> allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
>> devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be able
>> to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study the
>> information.
>> Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational rehab not
>> helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
>> technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to pay
>> for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your educational
>> goals.
>> Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting one.
>> I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would put
>> off your education considerably which is something you should consider
>> when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful but I
>> am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home with
>> skills but still without the resources to use those skills. Advocacy
>> can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have the
>> economical means to pursue their education and their state and other
>> organizations are not willing to help, than a training center will do
>> nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
>> Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for this
>> class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes from the
>> TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader and
>> they can get paid for it.
>> I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services should
>> provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and essential
>> accommodation for your circumstances.
>> 
>> On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
>> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
>> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
>> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
>> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
>> truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
>> as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
>> seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>> 
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
>> with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
>> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
>> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
>> the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
>> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
>> to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
>> my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>> 
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
>> my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
>> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
>> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>> 
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
>> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
>> someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
>> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>> 
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
>> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
>> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
>> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
>> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
>> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
>> to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
>> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
>> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
>> would
>> at least give it a try.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 18:24:48 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:24:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
Message-ID: <56abae76.c2e20d0a.d516c.6b44@mx.google.com>

Thank you for your message.  When I was in elementary school I 
used the Perkins brailler to write my math problems.  I also used 
a talking calculator and the abacus to count the numbers.


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 18:26:59 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:26:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4C074B87-CB27-40AA-91D0-718B42319F3A@gmail.com>

Hi Elisabeth. I understand what you are going through! When I started college I did not have a computer either before. It's am long story.  Do you have an iPhone? If you do, I recommend you to use your iPhone to answer short answers and send it by email to your professor. What do you think? This I s what I use in order to answer my quizzes in my last semester. Hope this helps. You can contact me off list. I look forward in hearing form  you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message. However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
> at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 29 18:54:13 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:54:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6DCEBA16D27340E19BDCA43DB1E4CA72@OwnerPC>

But Carl, what good does a slate and stylus do for exams and other 
assignments?
A professor cannot read braille.  So a student needs to use technology to 
substitute for handwriting.

The only good braille does in college is for your personal notetaking during 
class and for homework, like reading textbooks. Otherwise, what you show to 
the instructors  needs to be in print.

Ashley


-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be
to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the
technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be
feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
Advice

Hi,

I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are
very
unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you
are
not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our
best
to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they
say.
First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be
able
to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study
the
information.
Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational
rehab not
helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to
pay
for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your
educational
goals.
Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting
one.
I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would
put
off your education considerably which is something you should
consider
when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful
but I
am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home
with
skills but still without the resources to use those skills.
Advocacy
can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have
the
economical means to pursue their education and their state and
other
organizations are not willing to help, than a training center
will do
nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for
this
class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes
from the
TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader
and
they can get paid for it.
I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services
should
provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and
essential
accommodation for your circumstances.

On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not
give up. One
of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille
skills and
problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will
gain confidence
in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
that would
really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
yourself and
truly succeeding in your college life.
On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello All,

There was a message thread on here not too long ago about
someone being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
It seems
as
though people on here were offended by my response to this
message.
However,
from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the
classroom
seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could
take
with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took
classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for
answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However,
it
appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation.
The
college
is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but
most of
the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I
ask about
the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing
room, there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a
loss as
to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going
to fail
my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to
write out
my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
my exam?
My
college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to
provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my
professor,
she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the
disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so
I feel
like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
rather
difficult
to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
to
someone
else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
this
situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very
well. But
since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class,
and the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the
computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss
as to what
to
do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was
going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get
frustrated
when
I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
them from
their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and
not
everyone
has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
services
from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
just find
it
rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
limited amount
of
resources and a lack of support from other people.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my
messages to
the
email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
frustrated by
life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure
out what
to
do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and
that I can
never really get the support I need from others when I need it.
The NFB
has
never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical
that I
will
be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I
thought I
would
at least give it a try.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:02:33 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:02:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <6DCEBA16D27340E19BDCA43DB1E4CA72@OwnerPC>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<6DCEBA16D27340E19BDCA43DB1E4CA72@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJD0xarPtVTeZV-D-DtgmVbHX6i93PNrz=zoSTAS60Thmg@mail.gmail.com>

I have found it useful to write an essay in Braille on a Perkins
Brailler before reading it to an exam scribe. It can help with
organizing ideas during an exam even though you don't submit the
Brailled notes directly to the professor.
That said, for this particular issue, a testing computer is the ideal
accommodation. I like the suggestions of trying to use NVDA or getting
a basic accessible phone with Bluetooth keyboard for jotting down
notes, as well as going up the chain of command as far as possible to
advocate for accessible computer facilities on campus, which will help
other blind students too.
Arielle

On 1/29/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> But Carl, what good does a slate and stylus do for exams and other
> assignments?
> A professor cannot read braille.  So a student needs to use technology to
> substitute for handwriting.
>
> The only good braille does in college is for your personal notetaking during
>
> class and for homework, like reading textbooks. Otherwise, what you show to
>
> the instructors  needs to be in print.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be
> to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the
> technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be
> feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hi,
>
> I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are
> very
> unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you
> are
> not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
> These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our
> best
> to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they
> say.
> First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
> allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
> devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be
> able
> to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study
> the
> information.
> Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational
> rehab not
> helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
> technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to
> pay
> for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your
> educational
> goals.
> Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting
> one.
> I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would
> put
> off your education considerably which is something you should
> consider
> when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful
> but I
> am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home
> with
> skills but still without the resources to use those skills.
> Advocacy
> can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have
> the
> economical means to pursue their education and their state and
> other
> organizations are not willing to help, than a training center
> will do
> nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
> Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for
> this
> class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes
> from the
> TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader
> and
> they can get paid for it.
> I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services
> should
> provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and
> essential
> accommodation for your circumstances.
>
> On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not
> give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille
> skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will
> gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
> that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
> yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life.
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about
> someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
> It seems
> as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this
> message.
> However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the
> classroom
> seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
> everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could
> take
> with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
> failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took
> classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for
> answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However,
> it
> appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation.
> The
> college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but
> most of
> the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I
> ask about
> the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing
> room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a
> loss as
> to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going
> to fail
> my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to
> write out
> my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
> my exam?
> My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to
> provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my
> professor,
> she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the
> disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so
> I feel
> like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
> office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
> me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
> rather
> difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
> to
> someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
> this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very
> well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class,
> and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the
> computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss
> as to what
> to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was
> going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get
> frustrated
> when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
> them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
> privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and
> not
> everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
> services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
> just find
> it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
> limited amount
> of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my
> messages to
> the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
> frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure
> out what
> to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and
> that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it.
> The NFB
> has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical
> that I
> will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I
> thought I
> would
> at least give it a try.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:14:44 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:14:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] testing
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Hi. 

 Testing to see if this works. Have had trouble sending messages in the
past. Thanks. 

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:16:38 2016
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:16:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] testing
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Got you.


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [nabs-l] testing

Hi. 

 Testing to see if this works. Have had trouble sending messages in the
past. Thanks. 

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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:16:41 2016
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 14:16:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] testing
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You're coming through go out and clear!
Jewel
PS: write me!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 2:14 PM, Sam Nelson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi. 
> 
> Testing to see if this works. Have had trouble sending messages in the
> past. Thanks. 
> 
> Sam 
> 
> 
> 
> Check out my blog 
> 
> matterstosam.wordpress.com 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> I am evaluating the quality of mental healthcare across the US. Help me by
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 19:27:30 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:27:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] question about paratransit in MA
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Hey guys, 

 Awesome that I'm getting my stuff sent to the list. It was acting so weird
last time. I think I had the wrong e-mail address. 

 Anyway I have a  question specifically to Massachusetts  people about
paratransit called The Ride there. 

 I lived in MA all my life. Moved to Chicago in 2012 and am thinking of
moving back to MA in a few years. 

 I depend on the ride for all transportation except if someone drove me
someplace. Do not want to debate the merits of being able to use public
transportation over  paratransit. But anyway so currently my parents are
moving from Acton which didn't have the ride anway to some other town. Will
sell our house maybe in  may right now are just  hunting around. May live
with them should I move out there at least at first. 

 There's this new crazy thing with the ride that happened right when they
left. They raised the regular fee to $3 from $2 which is ok. Actually that's
the fee in  IL. Anyway they have this thing where if you go beyond a certain
point in a particular area it's considered a "premium" trip and it goes up
to $5 each way! Looked it up online was totally confused. 

 Just need someone to explain how this  translates to going between actual
towns so I can  give my parents an idea of what a good area would be so I
can access things I need to access like mental health care volunteer work
ETC  without having to pay that fee if possible? 

 Is it like done by town? Like if I lived in Arlington/ brookline/ Cambridge
or whatever I could only travel in that town without the fee going up? 

 Like I said any thoughts are good. If people want to reply privately as
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Fri Jan 29 19:49:12 2016
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:49:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Request For State Updates for January NABS Notes
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Hello Hindley,

It was so good to finally meet you this week. I had a great time on the Hill and had an opportunity to meet with all of Arizona's congressional leaders. I hope things went well for you as well. Is it too late for Arizona's NABS notes updates?

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
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> On Jan 19, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Hindley Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Fellow Federationists, 
> NABS wants to hear from your state student division! Please consider writing an update or announcement for the January edition of the NABS Notes about what your division has been up to. Please send all announcements to me by Saturday January 23 at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com . Please feel free to reach out to me with any questions, and I look forward to including your announcements and updates. 
> All Best, 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 20:38:57 2016
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:38:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Columns
Message-ID: <C720E716-B418-40FE-94CA-FF5A977D8DB3@gmail.com>

> Is there a way to move from one column to another in regular text columns
> with jaws?

If anyone can help with this, I would appreciate it.  I can't figure it out.  

Anna E Givens


From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 21:06:01 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:06:01 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Good morningAt afternoon, list,
,

To me, it's not necessarily about the ends (I.E.) actual submission 
to prof. Instead, could it be more about the ends (I.E) getting your 
thoughts together before jotting them down on a Perkin's, then 
crafting the paper before, ultimately submitting it?
Car
, 10:54 AM 1/29/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>But Carl, what good does a slate and stylus do for exams and other 
>assignments?
>A professor cannot read braille.  So a student needs to use 
>technology to substitute for handwriting.
>
>The only good braille does in college is for your personal 
>notetaking during class and for homework, like reading textbooks. 
>Otherwise, what you show to the instructors  needs to be in print.
>
>Ashley
>
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Cc: Karl Martin Adam
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
>Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be
>to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the
>technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be
>feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>Advice
>
>Hi,
>
>I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are
>very
>unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you
>are
>not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
>These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our
>best
>to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they
>say.
>First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
>allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
>devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be
>able
>to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study
>the
>information.
>Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational
>rehab not
>helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
>technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to
>pay
>for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your
>educational
>goals.
>Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting
>one.
>I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would
>put
>off your education considerably which is something you should
>consider
>when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful
>but I
>am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home
>with
>skills but still without the resources to use those skills.
>Advocacy
>can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have
>the
>economical means to pursue their education and their state and
>other
>organizations are not willing to help, than a training center
>will do
>nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
>Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for
>this
>class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes
>from the
>TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader
>and
>they can get paid for it.
>I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services
>should
>provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and
>essential
>accommodation for your circumstances.
>
>On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not
>give up. One
>of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille
>skills and
>problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will
>gain confidence
>in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
>that would
>really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
>yourself and
>truly succeeding in your college life.
>On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>Hello All,
>
>There was a message thread on here not too long ago about
>someone being
>upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
>It seems
>as
>though people on here were offended by my response to this
>message.
>However,
>from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the
>classroom
>seems
>to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
>everyone can
>afford a computer that they can take to class.
>
>I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could
>take
>with
>me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
>failing my
>exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took
>classes
>before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for
>answering
>short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However,
>it
>appears
>as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation.
>The
>college
>is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but
>most of
>the
>time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I
>ask about
>the
>status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing
>room, there
>always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a
>loss as
>to
>what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going
>to fail
>my
>class because of a lack of accommodations.
>
>So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to
>write out
>my
>answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
>my exam?
>My
>college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to
>provide and
>approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my
>professor,
>she
>will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the
>disabilities
>office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>disabilities
>office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so
>I feel
>like
>I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>
>It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
>office
>provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
>me when
>answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
>rather
>difficult
>to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
>to
>someone
>else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
>this
>situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very
>well. But
>since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class,
>and the
>college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the
>computers on
>campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss
>as to what
>to
>do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was
>going to be
>facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>
>I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get
>frustrated
>when
>I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
>them from
>their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
>privilege of
>receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and
>not
>everyone
>has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
>services
>from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
>just find
>it
>rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
>limited amount
>of
>resources and a lack of support from other people.
>
>Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my
>messages to
>the
>email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
>frustrated by
>life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure
>out what
>to
>do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and
>that I can
>never really get the support I need from others when I need it.
>The NFB
>has
>never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical
>that I
>will
>be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I
>thought I
>would
>at least give it a try.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:02:48 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Jan 29 22:02:42 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>
	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F9120D74-0A20-4EB5-AE3F-3D8DB3A1030E@icloud.com>

Elizabeth, 
I do not have any sughestions about your specific situation. However, going to national convention, I was able to get funding from local groups. I wrote a letter, and attached some of the agenda. Maybe you can do something similar. Sorry that this will not help much. I am with you in your fight for equal access.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Aleeha,
> 
> Thank you for your response. However, I am not quite sure how this advice is
> goint to help me get through this class. And going to an NFB training center
> would be absolutely great except for the fact that I do not have the money
> to attend an NFB training center. Plus, I am still not quite sure how I
> would be able to manage all my health issues while attending an NFB training
> center either. So some practical advice on how I could make it through this
> class would be great.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
> truly succeeding in your college life. 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>> 
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>> 
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>> 
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>> 
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
>> at least give it a try.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:09:43 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:09:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56abe34a.4339810a.800cf.ffff85e5@mx.google.com>

Technology is ideal, yes, but if that's not an option because of 
the cost it would be possible to write the essays in braille and 
then read them to the scribe rather than trying to compose them 
in your head and tell the scribe what to write, which is 
apparently what the DSS want Elizabeth to do.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 13:54:13 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

But Carl, what good does a slate and stylus do for exams and 
other
assignments?
A professor cannot read braille.  So a student needs to use 
technology to
substitute for handwriting.

The only good braille does in college is for your personal 
notetaking during
class and for homework, like reading textbooks. Otherwise, what 
you show to
the instructors  needs to be in print.

Ashley


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be
to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the
technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be
feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.

----- Original Message -----
From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
Advice

Hi,

I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are
very
unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you
are
not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our
best
to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they
say.
First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be
able
to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study
the
information.
Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational
rehab not
helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to
pay
for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your
educational
goals.
Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting
one.
I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would
put
off your education considerably which is something you should
consider
when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful
but I
am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home
with
skills but still without the resources to use those skills.
Advocacy
can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have
the
economical means to pursue their education and their state and
other
organizations are not willing to help, than a training center
will do
nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for
this
class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes
from the
TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader
and
they can get paid for it.
I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services
should
provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and
essential
accommodation for your circumstances.

On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not
give up. One
of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille
skills and
problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will
gain confidence
in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
that would
really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
yourself and
truly succeeding in your college life.
On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello All,

There was a message thread on here not too long ago about
someone being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
It seems
as
though people on here were offended by my response to this
message.
However,
from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the
classroom
seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could
take
with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took
classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for
answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However,
it
appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation.
The
college
is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but
most of
the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I
ask about
the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing
room, there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a
loss as
to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going
to fail
my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to
write out
my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
my exam?
My
college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to
provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my
professor,
she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the
disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so
I feel
like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
rather
difficult
to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
to
someone
else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
this
situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very
well. But
since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class,
and the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the
computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss
as to what
to
do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was
going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get
frustrated
when
I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
them from
their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and
not
everyone
has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
services
from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
just find
it
rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
limited amount
of
resources and a lack of support from other people.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my
messages to
the
email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
frustrated by
life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure
out what
to
do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and
that I can
never really get the support I need from others when I need it.
The NFB
has
never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical
that I
will
be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I
thought I
would
at least give it a try.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Jan 29 22:12:36 2016
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:12:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
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	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
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Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our members have left a training center, only to still need help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life y want.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.
> 
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> 
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> 
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> 
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:19:56 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:19:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
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This is a brief reply. I'll add more. But if the concern is short answers and essay answers  on tests, why not use a tape recorder and give your responses orally? I did this once when typing wasn't an option and working with a scribe would be unreasonably difficult. 

-Jamie Principato 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.
> 
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> 
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> 
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> 
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jan 29 22:23:17 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:23:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] question about paratransit in MA
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We have several lists on the server, that are from Massachusetts, go 
to http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/ to find them.

Dave

At 01:27 PM 1/29/2016, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote:
>Hey guys,
>
>  Awesome that I'm getting my stuff sent to the list. It was acting so weird
>last time. I think I had the wrong e-mail address.
>
>  Anyway I have a  question specifically to Massachusetts  people about
>paratransit called The Ride there.
>
>  I lived in MA all my life. Moved to Chicago in 2012 and am thinking of
>moving back to MA in a few years.
>
>  I depend on the ride for all transportation except if someone drove me
>someplace. Do not want to debate the merits of being able to use public
>transportation over  paratransit. But anyway so currently my parents are
>moving from Acton which didn't have the ride anway to some other town. Will
>sell our house maybe in  may right now are just  hunting around. May live
>with them should I move out there at least at first.
>
>  There's this new crazy thing with the ride that happened right when they
>left. They raised the regular fee to $3 from $2 which is ok. Actually that's
>the fee in  IL. Anyway they have this thing where if you go beyond a certain
>point in a particular area it's considered a "premium" trip and it goes up
>to $5 each way! Looked it up online was totally confused.
>
>  Just need someone to explain how this  translates to going between actual
>towns so I can  give my parents an idea of what a good area would be so I
>can access things I need to access like mental health care volunteer work
>ETC  without having to pay that fee if possible?
>
>  Is it like done by town? Like if I lived in Arlington/ brookline/ Cambridge
>or whatever I could only travel in that town without the fee going up?
>
>  Like I said any thoughts are good. If people want to reply privately as
>this is a pretty specific question that's cool as well.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
>Check out my blog
>
>  matterstosam.wordpress.com
>
>
>
>Want Psychology today to add consumer review feature to their therapist
>directory? Sign this  pitition!
>
>
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>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:35:45 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:35:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>
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Hello All,,

If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
for me.

The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
professor.

It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.

Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
have to stop you from living the life y want.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.
> 
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
to my plate than what is already on it.
> 
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.
> 
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> 
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:36:09 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:36:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com>

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you 
won't help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue 
college though, learning braille whether from a training center 
or a Hadley course or whatever or learning how to use something 
like NVDA will be something you have to do.  We can't do that for 
you.  I wish we could, but you have to actually learn the skills 
you need to do college assignments.  One thing you could do is 
take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class 
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to 
do though.  You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA 
for the next test, and maybe your professor would allow you to 
take this one later if you explained it to them or maybe they 
would let you take it orally.  I understand not wanting to learn 
new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never been able 
to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function 
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I 
think you might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to 
make a smartphone work though.  Androids are known for taking 
some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly intuitive.  When 
I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I couldn't make it 
work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type your 
answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your 
professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning 
how to do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even 
someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do can manage 
it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting 
to do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to 
solve all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an 
NFB training center, I will probably never gain the Braille 
skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
work for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn 
how to use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. 
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, 
so I am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is 
already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never 
used it before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with 
it . So I am not quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
vocational rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant 
Program does not do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB 
has never really been willing to help me either. All I wanted to 
do was to find a way to pass this class. But it looks as though I 
simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity to do the 
things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did 
not have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right 
now it just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I 
should just learn that I am never going to be the same person 
that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 29 22:39:48 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:39:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <B4971ED5-1504-4E8D-8529-42C585153CFF@gmail.com>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<B4971ED5-1504-4E8D-8529-42C585153CFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D810809-76FB-4AC1-B0EB-C68B516D6FF0@houghton.edu>

Elizabeth,
Many of us have been through this. I made my suggestion about the recorder because honestly it seems like the most reasonable option at the moment. I suggest you go to somebody above the disability office at your college because it sounds like they're not helping you in ways that they should and are legally required to assist you. You're not asking for anything grand or extreme from them. You are asking for equal access and the tools to study like any other student. Those are not unreasonable requests.

--Christina

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 17:19, Jamie Principato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a brief reply. I'll add more. But if the concern is short answers and essay answers  on tests, why not use a tape recorder and give your responses orally? I did this once when typing wasn't an option and working with a scribe would be unreasonably difficult. 
> 
> -Jamie Principato 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:41:23 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:41:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9cW_SSvttmyPz2URC3d-nFST+njD_AH4j=vcuefqxvEDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL401-EAS88DF139047B4BDAB526EFEBADB0@phx.gbl>	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
	<CAMtP_9cW_SSvttmyPz2URC3d-nFST+njD_AH4j=vcuefqxvEDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d15ae6$2f104b70$8d30e250$@gmail.com>

Dear Elizabeth,
I wanted to give you some advice regarding the NFB training centers.
I understand it is berry difficult to afford paying for the program, especially if you do not have a VR counselor. I am an international student myself, and I received a scholarship to attend the training program at the Colorado Center for the Blind. I've never regretted having had this opportunity, and I learned a lot of great skills there! You might want to look in to it. I'm not sure about your health problems that you mentioned earlier, but I know they are pretty good in  accommodating students' needs.
If you need more information, please contact me off the list.
Best,
Anya

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
I totally support you. It is possible for a blind person not to have a laptop, and schools should not expect you to have one. They provide computer labs for all other students, so you should be able to use them as a student of that school. What I am trying to say is those computers should be accessible to you, because this is your right as a student.
I understand how frustrating it is for you to be in this situation.
I have some suggestion’s
NVDA have a very nice portable version and it is free. You just put it in a flash drive and it works on every windows computer. You just need to plug in your drive to a regular computer and then start NVDA. Then it turns into a talking computer. The keyboard commends are very similar to jaws, so you can use this for your exams.
Let me know if you want to try this option and need any help.
I am ready to do whatever I can, because our education journeys are hard enough and I don’t want to see any blind students suffers from this anymore.
This can be your first step solution. Then you can contact your state NFB people and ask them specifically contact to your school on behalf of you. They may talk to disability office and explain the legal requirements.
You can contact me from my personal e-mail.
filerime at gmail.com



2016-01-29 10:56 GMT-05:00, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give 
> up. One of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille 
> skills and problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You 
> will gain confidence in yourself and be able to do whatever you want 
> to do. I think that would really help you when it comes to getting 
> accommodations for yourself and truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
>> being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. 
>> It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to 
>> this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
>> seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
>> everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take 
>> with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
>> failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When 
>> I took classes before, I was able to use a computer in the testing 
>> center for answering short answer and essay questions that were on my 
>> exams. However, it appears as though the college no longer offers 
>> this as an accommodation. The college is supposed to have computers 
>> on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, these computers do 
>> not work correctly, and every time I ask about the status of the 
>> computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there always 
>> seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to 
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to 
>> fail my class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
>> out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on 
>> my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide 
>> and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my 
>> professor, she will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to 
>> the disabilities office in order to get any accommodations for my 
>> exam. But the disabilities office does not appear to provide the 
>> accommodations I need, so I feel like I am just caught up in some 
>> bureaucratic mess.
>>
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
>> office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work 
>> for me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find 
>> it rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words 
>> by dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
>> accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I 
>> do not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own 
>> computer that I can take to class, and the college does not appear to 
>> know how to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
>> on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for my 
>> exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be 
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
>> frustrated when I see other blind students get pretty much everything 
>> handed to them from their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not 
>> everyone gets privilege of receiving services from a vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency, and not everyone has the privilege of having 
>> others help them advocate to receive services from the vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it rather 
>> difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of 
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
>> to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
>> frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to 
>> figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever 
>> works out, and that I can never really get the support I need from 
>> others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for me 
>> before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive any 
>> help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least give it 
>> a try.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:42:06 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:42:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth, 
 This  sounds so frustrating. Is there a way to withdraw from the class and
get your money back? At this point the stress might not be worth the class. 
 I wish good recorders weren't so expensive. I have an  Olympus and it's
awesome.  I wonder if there are other recorders out there that are less
expensive.   
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,,

If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
for me.

The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
professor.

It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.

Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
have to stop you from living the life y want.  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
> really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.
> 
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
> for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
to my plate than what is already on it.
> 
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.
> 
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> 
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
> have
the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Fri Jan 29 22:42:43 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:42:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Would it be possible for you to take your exam at an alternative time with the professor? That is not unreasonable considering you are unable to give her the Viktor reader so that she can hear your responses. You would still answer the same questions however you would just tell her the answers. It is at least something to ask about.
Hopefully this helps.

--Christina

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 17:35, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,,
> 
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
> for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
> for me.
> 
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
> this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
> professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
> would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
> materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
> format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
> professor.
> 
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
> have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
> accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
> what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
> that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
> members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
> colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
> now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
> have to stop you from living the life y want.  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
> up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
> to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:42:53 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:42:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56abeb10.c7d20d0a.de934.ffff883c@mx.google.com>

Dear Elizabeth,

NVDA can use different voices.  I'm not sure how the audio thing 
would work either because if you could record your answers it 
seems to me you could just as easily dictate them to a scribe.  
If it makes sense to you though, it is possible to record 
different file types on the stream.  If you don't know how to do 
this, give Humanware tech support a call.  They are very helpfull 
and would be happy to walk you through anything about getting 
files from your stream to your professor that you would like to 
know.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:35:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hello All,,

If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
going to be
for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
change this
for me.

The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how 
exactly would
this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
allow my
professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor 
stream. I
would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my 
reading
materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special 
recording
format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and 
send it to my
professor.

It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this 
option. And I
have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
such an
accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
controlling in
what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.

Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at 
all implying
that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of 
our
members have left a training center, only to still need help with 
their
colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are 
emailing right
now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health 
problems do not
have to stop you from living the life y want.

Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. 
I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will 
probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in 
a testing
situation.

 I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to 
use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
trying to catch
up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add 
anything more
to my plate than what is already on it.

 Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never 
used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So 
I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

 I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does 
not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this 
class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, 
and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

 I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did 
not have
the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I 
am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

 Elizabeth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:54:02 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com>
References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS513E4F9F71DA6F0D269B425BADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. 
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 22:59:07 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:59:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello Anya,

It is great that you were able to get a scholarship to pay for your training at an NFB training center. Where exactly can I find more information about this scholarship? 

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:41 PM
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Cc: Anya Avramenko <annita.co.usa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,
I wanted to give you some advice regarding the NFB training centers.
I understand it is berry difficult to afford paying for the program, especially if you do not have a VR counselor. I am an international student myself, and I received a scholarship to attend the training program at the Colorado Center for the Blind. I've never regretted having had this opportunity, and I learned a lot of great skills there! You might want to look in to it. I'm not sure about your health problems that you mentioned earlier, but I know they are pretty good in  accommodating students' needs.
If you need more information, please contact me off the list.
Best,
Anya

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Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
I totally support you. It is possible for a blind person not to have a laptop, and schools should not expect you to have one. They provide computer labs for all other students, so you should be able to use them as a student of that school. What I am trying to say is those computers should be accessible to you, because this is your right as a student.
I understand how frustrating it is for you to be in this situation.
I have some suggestion’s
NVDA have a very nice portable version and it is free. You just put it in a flash drive and it works on every windows computer. You just need to plug in your drive to a regular computer and then start NVDA. Then it turns into a talking computer. The keyboard commends are very similar to jaws, so you can use this for your exams.
Let me know if you want to try this option and need any help.
I am ready to do whatever I can, because our education journeys are hard enough and I don’t want to see any blind students suffers from this anymore.
This can be your first step solution. Then you can contact your state NFB people and ask them specifically contact to your school on behalf of you. They may talk to disability office and explain the legal requirements.
You can contact me from my personal e-mail.
filerime at gmail.com



2016-01-29 10:56 GMT-05:00, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give 
> up. One of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille 
> skills and problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You 
> will gain confidence in yourself and be able to do whatever you want 
> to do. I think that would really help you when it comes to getting 
> accommodations for yourself and truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
>> being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
>> It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to 
>> this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
>> seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
>> everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take 
>> with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
>> failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When 
>> I took classes before, I was able to use a computer in the testing 
>> center for answering short answer and essay questions that were on my 
>> exams. However, it appears as though the college no longer offers 
>> this as an accommodation. The college is supposed to have computers 
>> on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, these computers do 
>> not work correctly, and every time I ask about the status of the 
>> computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there always 
>> seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to 
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to 
>> fail my class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
>> out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on 
>> my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide 
>> and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my 
>> professor, she will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to 
>> the disabilities office in order to get any accommodations for my 
>> exam. But the disabilities office does not appear to provide the 
>> accommodations I need, so I feel like I am just caught up in some 
>> bureaucratic mess.
>>
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
>> office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work 
>> for me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find 
>> it rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words 
>> by dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
>> accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I 
>> do not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own 
>> computer that I can take to class, and the college does not appear to 
>> know how to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
>> on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for my 
>> exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be 
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
>> frustrated when I see other blind students get pretty much everything 
>> handed to them from their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not 
>> everyone gets privilege of receiving services from a vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency, and not everyone has the privilege of having 
>> others help them advocate to receive services from the vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it rather 
>> difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of 
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
>> to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
>> frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to 
>> figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever 
>> works out, and that I can never really get the support I need from 
>> others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for me 
>> before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive any 
>> help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least give it 
>> a try.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:01:33 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:01:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth, 
 I'm sorry  things feel so hopeless. 
 Like I said if nothing seems to  work then withdrawing might be the best
option. 
  Why don't you feel like people are listening to you though. I feel like we
are and trying to give different ideas. It might help to know what your
health issues are and why you feel you can't learn braille ETC. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:54 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. 
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From annita.co.usa at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:06:01 2016
From: annita.co.usa at gmail.com (Anya Avramenko)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:06:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS35853F6DB5A51748F4834E7BADB0@phx.gbl>
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You can e-mail me at: annita.co.usa at gmail.com
And I'll give  you more information.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:59 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Anya,

It is great that you were able to get a scholarship to pay for your training at an NFB training center. Where exactly can I find more information about this scholarship? 

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anya Avramenko via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:41 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Anya Avramenko <annita.co.usa at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,
I wanted to give you some advice regarding the NFB training centers.
I understand it is berry difficult to afford paying for the program, especially if you do not have a VR counselor. I am an international student myself, and I received a scholarship to attend the training program at the Colorado Center for the Blind. I've never regretted having had this opportunity, and I learned a lot of great skills there! You might want to look in to it. I'm not sure about your health problems that you mentioned earlier, but I know they are pretty good in  accommodating students' needs.
If you need more information, please contact me off the list.
Best,
Anya

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
I totally support you. It is possible for a blind person not to have a laptop, and schools should not expect you to have one. They provide computer labs for all other students, so you should be able to use them as a student of that school. What I am trying to say is those computers should be accessible to you, because this is your right as a student.
I understand how frustrating it is for you to be in this situation.
I have some suggestion’s
NVDA have a very nice portable version and it is free. You just put it in a flash drive and it works on every windows computer. You just need to plug in your drive to a regular computer and then start NVDA. Then it turns into a talking computer. The keyboard commends are very similar to jaws, so you can use this for your exams.
Let me know if you want to try this option and need any help.
I am ready to do whatever I can, because our education journeys are hard enough and I don’t want to see any blind students suffers from this anymore.
This can be your first step solution. Then you can contact your state NFB people and ask them specifically contact to your school on behalf of you. They may talk to disability office and explain the legal requirements.
You can contact me from my personal e-mail.
filerime at gmail.com



2016-01-29 10:56 GMT-05:00, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give 
> up. One of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille 
> skills and problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You 
> will gain confidence in yourself and be able to do whatever you want 
> to do. I think that would really help you when it comes to getting 
> accommodations for yourself and truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
>> being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
>> It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to 
>> this message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
>> seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
>> everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take 
>> with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
>> failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When 
>> I took classes before, I was able to use a computer in the testing 
>> center for answering short answer and essay questions that were on my 
>> exams. However, it appears as though the college no longer offers 
>> this as an accommodation. The college is supposed to have computers 
>> on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, these computers do 
>> not work correctly, and every time I ask about the status of the 
>> computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there always 
>> seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to 
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to 
>> fail my class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
>> out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on 
>> my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide 
>> and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my 
>> professor, she will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to 
>> the disabilities office in order to get any accommodations for my 
>> exam. But the disabilities office does not appear to provide the 
>> accommodations I need, so I feel like I am just caught up in some 
>> bureaucratic mess.
>>
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
>> office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work 
>> for me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find 
>> it rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words 
>> by dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
>> accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I 
>> do not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own 
>> computer that I can take to class, and the college does not appear to 
>> know how to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
>> on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for my 
>> exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be 
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
>> frustrated when I see other blind students get pretty much everything 
>> handed to them from their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not 
>> everyone gets privilege of receiving services from a vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency, and not everyone has the privilege of having 
>> others help them advocate to receive services from the vocational 
>> rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it rather 
>> difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of 
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
>> to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
>> frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to 
>> figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever 
>> works out, and that I can never really get the support I need from 
>> others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for me 
>> before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive any 
>> help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least give it 
>> a try.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 29 23:14:26 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:14:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth,

I'm sorry to hear of your struggles in class. Like you, I took my exams with 
a computer with jaws in the testing center.
In fact I do not think the testing center allowed
personal laptops. I also agree that having a laptop is a privelege not a 
right.
You are right  that not all students including blind students can have 
laptops.
Also, I know of blind students who were older and lost vision who could not 
use braille effectively for notes or exams.
I love braille and use it along with large print, but I also realize that 
not everyone can learn braille to use it efficiently for class or 
employment.
You are not alone in such circumstances.
So, there are definitely students who went to college without portable 
technology or many financial resources and without the skill of braille.
I know some of them, but they are not on this list.

Its rather appalling the school fails to provide you that accomodation.
I am just shocked to still find stories of this in the 21st century. As 
Elif said, the school should not expect students to have laptops.
They do not in fact expect this. Schools have computer labs and computers at 
their testing centers for students to use. As a student, it is your right to 
be able to use a pc with accomodations. I'd definitely go up the chain of 
command and fight this.

Do you want a laptop? I think I might have some resources for free or 
reduced price ones for blind people.
My dss offices only provided readers and a computer with jaws for the exams, 
so I know what you mean about inflexibility.

Meanwhile, I have some ideas.
You will need to work something out with the professor getting it approved 
by dss or withdraw from the class.

So here are ideas.
If you can read large print, you can jot down notes for the exam. Then
once your thoughts are together, you can dictate it to  a reader.

Other options are to take the exam orally.
Arrange a time to take the exam with the professor or their TA. This may 
feel intimidating to do it with the professor, so another idea is to have 
another faculty member administer the exam to you.
I've done this on a few ocasions for short answer exams and it works okay.
The instructor just reads back what I wrote after each question.
Another idea for oral exams is that you have the professor record the 
questions and you record your answers. Many colleges have old fashioned tape 
recorders  around or digital recorders. Technology labs or even the library 
may have equipment.
Have you asked different departments about the possibility of lending you 
technology?
I would think they have something around.

Finally, an option is to take home the exam if the professor lets you do 
that.
I've actually done this a few times. In fact my professor suggested it. She 
said all the students would do in class was that essay, and she saw no 
reason for me to have to come in and do it at the testing center.
So, she let me take it at home. There was no way to really cheat, but she 
did say I was on my honor not to use outside resources or  other people.

If no accomodations are approved and you cannot take the exams, then taking 
an incomplete
seems like the best option rather than having a failing grade.

I'm sorry to hear things look so hopeless. Definitely complain to the 
school.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:50 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
though people on here were offended by my response to this message. However,
from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
afford a computer that they can take to class.

I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The college
is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
class because of a lack of accommodations.

So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.

It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather difficult
to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to
do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.

I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone
has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it
rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
resources and a lack of support from other people.

Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
at least give it a try.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:15:40 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:15:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
Message-ID: <56abf2be.557b810a.bac94.ffff91e6@mx.google.com>

Elizabeth,

First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of 
all, you don't know if you can understand the default voice or 
not unless you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.  
You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's 
aren't Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a 
thumbdrive if you have a licence already, you'd have to check 
with the manufacturer.

I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want 
to learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are 
the ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you 
have to use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe 
there are other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume 
you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why 
you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that 
you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person 
uses print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and 
then be able to read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in 
your head.  We're not talking about you reading Braille other 
people have produced hear, so you could write in uncontracted 
braille if you wanted and memorizing the contractions is part of 
your problem.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as 
though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with 
NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability 
to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use 
it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in 
my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read 
and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at 
the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not 
going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is 
the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you 
won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you 
have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  
One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish 
the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to 
do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the 
next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if 
you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I 
understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and 
I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to 
function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I 
think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a 
smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, 
but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or 
two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need 
is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your 
answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really 
wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with 
technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on 
your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will 
probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in 
a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to 
use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, 
so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on 
it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never 
used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So 
I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does 
not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this 
class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, 
and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did 
not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I 
am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:20:46 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:20:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <02d501d15ae9$00145f70$003d1e50$@gmail.com>
References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com>	<COL401-EAS513E4F9F71DA6F0D269B425BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<02d501d15ae9$00145f70$003d1e50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS88E10113AA278F62206131BADB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Sam,

I never said I could not learn Braille. I simply said that I would never be
able to obtain the Braille skills necessary to be able to read and
understand Braille at the same speed and level as someone reading print. It
is more difficult to learn Braille as an adult, and I do not know of anyone
who has learned Braille as an adult who is able to use it well enough as
their primary mode of communication.

And I am sorry, but I am not going to disclose all my personal health issues
on a public email list. I am pretty sure no one on here would be able to
understand, and I and I am not willing to subject myself to more
discrimination by discussing it on a public email list.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:02 PM
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Cc: Sam Nelson <nelsonsam68 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
 I'm sorry  things feel so hopeless. 
 Like I said if nothing seems to  work then withdrawing might be the best
option. 
  Why don't you feel like people are listening to you though. I feel like we
are and trying to give different ideas. It might help to know what your
health issues are and why you feel you can't learn braille ETC. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:54 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. 
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:23:17 2016
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:23:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS513E4F9F71DA6F0D269B425BADB0@phx.gbl>
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Hi,
You keep saying that you can't understand the voice that comes with 
NVDA. I agree that it's irritating, and not ideal for most folks, but 
there might be a way that you can make it more tolerable. In the 
preferences submenu, inside the NVDA menu, you'll find a choice labelled 
voice settings. Once you press enter on that, tab until you hear an 
option called variant. You can then use your up and down arrow keys to 
scroll through all the choices that are available. They're not perfect, 
but there are a few that might be a little easier for you to listen to.

I understand that it might be difficult for you to get to the menu if 
you can't understand the voice at all, so follow these directions and 
see if they work for you:

1. Once NVDA has been launched, press insert N.
2. Once the menu has opened, press the letter p for preferences.
3. The preferences submenu will open. Now press v for voice settings, 
and press enter.
4. Tab once to land inside the variant combo box, and arrow through the 
selections.
5. If there are other areas of the voice you'd like to customize, keep 
tabbing through the dialog, where you will see settings to adjust the 
rate, pitch of the voice, etc.
6. Once you've got the voice set up to your liking, tab to the OK button 
and press enter.

I hope this helps, and if you need any technical help, I would be more 
than happy to assist you off list.

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On 1/29/2016 5:54 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 29 23:25:55 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:25:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS513E4F9F71DA6F0D269B425BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56abe97b.47c50d0a.55883.ffff866d@mx.google.com>
	<COL401-EAS513E4F9F71DA6F0D269B425BADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3B94ECF6D24A4AB4A8D79867532DEBAE@OwnerPC>

Hi Elizabeth,

Actually, I understand. For years I had trouble dictating answers. I tried 
it in high school with my teacher of the vision impaired to prepare for 
college.
It was frustrating, and took me a while to get the hang of it. So, if you 
have not had to do this much, it can be frustrating on your first several 
times.
I also cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
I tried it  and only by listening to it slowly and carefully could I get 
something out of it.
I asked about other voices to friends, and they said that I could pay for 
other voices. I did not want to spend
money on that just to have a portable screen reader when I already pay for 
jaws.
I am not an auditory learner well, and it took me a while to understand jaws 
and remember its commands. I also have trouble understanding apple's voice 
over; it is on my ipod nano.
So, I know what you mean about the struggle to understand synthesized 
voices.
Know why I rarely read textbooks on a computer from bookshare?
Its because I cannot stand synthesized speech for long periods and 
comprehend what I'm reading. Its so monotone and I lose concentration!
I need a human voice so I rely on learning ally and NLS bard service for 
most reading.

For your test, another idea might be to have jaws on a thumb drive.
Call freedom scientific to find out more. Its my understanding that you can 
download jaws as a demo version  on a USB drive.

I really hope something works out.
I also can talk to you off list or via phone if you want.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:54 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jan 29 23:26:02 2016
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:26:02 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>
	<COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <auto-000048555865@mailfront2.g2host.com>

You can use the Humanware Companion to convert the 3GP files to MP3 
files, which anyone can use.

And, there are other voices available for NVDA, some free some for pay.

Dave

At 04:35 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>Hello All,,
>
>If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
>for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
>for me.
>
>The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
>this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
>professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
>would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
>materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
>format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
>professor.
>
>It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
>have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
>accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
>what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>
>Elizabeth
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
>Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
>that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
>members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
>colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
>now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
>have to stop you from living the life y want.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
>hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
>that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
>life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
>never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
>situation.
> >
> > I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
>me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
>enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
>up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
>to my plate than what is already on it.
> >
> > Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
>quite sure how this option would work for me.
> >
> > I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
>of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
>help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
>it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
>to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> >
> > I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
>the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
>this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
>going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> >
> > Elizabeth

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From filerime at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:28:13 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:28:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56abf2be.557b810a.bac94.ffff91e6@mx.google.com>
References: <56abf2be.557b810a.bac94.ffff91e6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cATUdyWH8-6a1VQ6XaY62tBeH6Erffv1yRi-VPT90aWA@mail.gmail.com>

I don’t know have you realized or not but Some of you started blaming Elizabet.
Everybody does not have to be in your mind set or does not have to
deal with the same problem in a way that you took.
Have you ever hurt something called individual differences?

I don’t have a right to talk on behalf of Elizabet. I am just talking
for myself as a counselor.
Dis conversation started to be hurtful rather than helpful.




2016-01-29 18:15 GMT-05:00, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of
> all, you don't know if you can understand the default voice or
> not unless you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's
> aren't Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a
> thumbdrive if you have a licence already, you'd have to check
> with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want
> to learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are
> the ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you
> have to use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe
> there are other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume
> you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why
> you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that
> you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person
> uses print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and
> then be able to read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in
> your head.  We're not talking about you reading Braille other
> people have produced hear, so you could write in uncontracted
> braille if you wanted and memorizing the contractions is part of
> your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as
> though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with
> NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability
> to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use
> it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in
> my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read
> and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at
> the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not
> going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is
> the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
> Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you
> won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college
> though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley
> course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be
> something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you
> have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish
> the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to
> do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the
> next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if
> you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I
> understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and
> I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to
> function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I
> think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a
> smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out,
> but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or
> two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need
> is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to
> your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your
> answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really
> wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with
> technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on
> your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do
> is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
> problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will
> probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in
> a testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
> work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to
> use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick,
> so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
> it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never
> used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So
> I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
> vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does
> not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
> willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this
> class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources,
> and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did
> not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I
> am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:31:26 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 16:31:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>
	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>
	<COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl>
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The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,,
> 
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
> for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
> for me.
> 
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
> this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
> professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
> would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
> materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
> format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
> professor.
> 
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
> have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
> accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
> what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
> that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
> members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
> colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
> now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
> have to stop you from living the life y want.  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
> up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
> to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 29 23:32:30 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:32:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Karl,

I have the same trouble as Elizabeth with the default NVDA voice. Sometimes 
your ears cannot understand the speech when its not clear.
How exactly can it work with other voices? I know it does not support the 
elloquence synthesizer jaws uses.
I looked at NVDA because I wanted to download a portable screen reader to a 
thumb drive. But like Elizabeth, I did not think its synthesizer would be a 
viable option.
The only voices I thought it used were the Real Speak  voices that you have 
to purchase.
Am I wrong in that thinking?
Maybe it uses the free sappy fi voices. How do you use other voices? Where 
can you download them and then how do you tell NVDA
to use that voice and not its default one?

Thanks.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:15 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Karl Martin Adam
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Elizabeth,

First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of
all, you don't know if you can understand the default voice or
not unless you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's
aren't Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a
thumbdrive if you have a licence already, you'd have to check
with the manufacturer.

I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want
to learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are
the ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you
have to use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe
there are other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume
you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why
you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that
you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person
uses print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and
then be able to read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in
your head.  We're not talking about you reading Braille other
people have produced hear, so you could write in uncontracted
braille if you wanted and memorizing the contractions is part of
your problem.

Best,
Karl

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as
though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with
NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability
to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use
it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in
my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read
and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at
the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not
going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is
the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you
won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college
though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley
course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be
something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you
have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish
the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to
do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the
next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if
you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I
understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and
I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to
function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I
think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a
smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out,
but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or
two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need
is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to
your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your
answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really
wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with
technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on
your exam!

Best,
Karl

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do
is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will
probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in
a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to
use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick,
so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never
used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So
I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does
not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this
class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources,
and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did
not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I
am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:37:47 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:37:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56abf2be.557b810a.bac94.ffff91e6@mx.google.com>
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Hello Karl,

It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was against
learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I cannot
understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it before and
could not understand it. I also have another disability which I am not
comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more difficult for me to be
able to understand the default voice of NVDA. And I do not have any
administrative rights as a student to be able to put programs on the campus
computers. If they could just simply figure out a way to properly maintain
the computers on campus that have JAWS on them then I would not be having
this problem.

I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly did
not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as the only
solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help me and it only
makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this point in my life I
will not be able to learn Braille well enough to use it as my primary mode
of communication. If I am never going to be good enough succeed as a blind
person with other disabilities then perhaps I should not try at all and
simply consider myself to be a failure who is never going to be able to make
anything out of my life.

Elizabeth

 

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Elizabeth,

First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you don't
know if you can understand the default voice or not unless you've worked
with it a while to acclimatize yourself.  
You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't Free
like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if you have a
licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.

I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to learn
Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the ways blind
people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to use one if you're
going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are other choices, but I don't
know of them, and I assume you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I
don't know why you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out
that you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses
print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to
read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not
talking about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you
could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
contractions is part of your problem.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  
One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:44:09 2016
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:44:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi,
NVDA can in fact use Sappi5 voices. Any voice that's installed on a 
computer is fair game for use.

Depending on the OS of the computers in the testing center, you will be 
able to take advantage of using a couple of fairly understandable 
voices. Again, maybe not as clear or as familiar as Eloquence, but 
better than Espeak for sure. I can't believe I didn't think of that and 
suggest it.

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On 1/29/2016 6:32 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> Karl,
>
> I have the same trouble as Elizabeth with the default NVDA voice. 
> Sometimes your ears cannot understand the speech when its not clear.
> How exactly can it work with other voices? I know it does not support 
> the elloquence synthesizer jaws uses.
> I looked at NVDA because I wanted to download a portable screen reader 
> to a thumb drive. But like Elizabeth, I did not think its synthesizer 
> would be a viable option.
> The only voices I thought it used were the Real Speak  voices that you 
> have to purchase.
> Am I wrong in that thinking?
> Maybe it uses the free sappy fi voices. How do you use other voices? 
> Where can you download them and then how do you tell NVDA
> to use that voice and not its default one?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:15 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of
> all, you don't know if you can understand the default voice or
> not unless you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's
> aren't Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a
> thumbdrive if you have a licence already, you'd have to check
> with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want
> to learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are
> the ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you
> have to use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe
> there are other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume
> you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why
> you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that
> you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person
> uses print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and
> then be able to read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in
> your head.  We're not talking about you reading Braille other
> people have produced hear, so you could write in uncontracted
> braille if you wanted and memorizing the contractions is part of
> your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as
> though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with
> NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability
> to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use
> it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in
> my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read
> and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at
> the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not
> going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is
> the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
> Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you
> won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college
> though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley
> course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be
> something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you
> have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish
> the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to
> do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the
> next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if
> you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I
> understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and
> I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to
> function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I
> think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a
> smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out,
> but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or
> two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need
> is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to
> your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your
> answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really
> wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with
> technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on
> your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do
> is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
> problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will
> probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in
> a testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
> work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to
> use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick,
> so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
> it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never
> used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So
> I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
> vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does
> not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
> willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this
> class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources,
> and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did
> not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I
> am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:45:43 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:45:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello Dave,

I do not have the administrative rights as a student to install the
companion software on the campus computers.

The only voice I am able to understand well is the voice that comes with
JAWS. As I understand it, you need to pay in order to use this voice. I do
not have the money for this right now. 

I did not realize my money would be so tight after I signed up for this
class. I did not drop my class when I found out that my money was going to
be so tight because I really wanted to be able to take this class. But now
it just looks like it was only a waste of time and money.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:26 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: David Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

You can use the Humanware Companion to convert the 3GP files to MP3 files,
which anyone can use.

And, there are other voices available for NVDA, some free some for pay.

Dave

At 04:35 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>Hello All,,
>
>If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going 
>to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
>change this for me.
>
>The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have 
>all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own 
>special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the 
>recording and send it to my professor.
>
>It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. 
>And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
>such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
>controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>
>Elizabeth
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>Advice
>
>Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How many 
>of our members have left a training center, only to still need help 
>with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are 
>emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and 
>health problems do not have to stop you from living the life y want.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
> > really
>hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell 
>me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
>problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, 
>I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to 
>use them in a testing situation.
> >
> > I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
> > work for
>me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
>good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying 
>to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add 
>anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> >
> > Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
> > it
>before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
>not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> >
> > I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
>much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass 
>this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the support, 
>resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to do before
my accident.
> >
> > I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
> > have
>the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels 
>like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I 
>am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> >
> > Elizabeth

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org


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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:49:09 2016
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:49:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi,
I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, 
end all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be 
disgruntled in your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you 
were asking. You were asking a question about solutions that you could 
use in the here and now, and several responses did seem to be putting 
you down for not having attended a training center. That's not OK at all.

To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to 
install NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable 
copy on a flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and 
launch the application from there. If you need help doing that, you 
could either ask someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if 
no one is available or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so 
that you could find the flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows 
below 10, you launch Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, 
it's Windows enter. Although I seriously doubt that a college testing 
center is using Windows 10 yet.

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On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was against
> learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I cannot
> understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it before and
> could not understand it. I also have another disability which I am not
> comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more difficult for me to be
> able to understand the default voice of NVDA. And I do not have any
> administrative rights as a student to be able to put programs on the campus
> computers. If they could just simply figure out a way to properly maintain
> the computers on campus that have JAWS on them then I would not be having
> this problem.
>
> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly did
> not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as the only
> solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help me and it only
> makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this point in my life I
> will not be able to learn Braille well enough to use it as my primary mode
> of communication. If I am never going to be good enough succeed as a blind
> person with other disabilities then perhaps I should not try at all and
> simply consider myself to be a failure who is never going to be able to make
> anything out of my life.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>   
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you don't
> know if you can understand the default voice or not unless you've worked
> with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't Free
> like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if you have a
> licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to learn
> Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the ways blind
> people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to use one if you're
> going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are other choices, but I don't
> know of them, and I assume you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I
> don't know why you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out
> that you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses
> print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to
> read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not
> talking about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you
> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 29 23:56:18 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:56:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello Jamie,

How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.

And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn how to use a
new voice that I simply cannot understand.

I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
training center or not having perfect Braille skills was definitely not what
I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
everyone else besides me.

Elizabeth. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Principato via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's
just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,,
> 
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going 
> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
> change this for me.
> 
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have 
> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its 
> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the 
> recording and send it to my professor.
> 
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. 
> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
> 
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever 
> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. 
> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
y want.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>> really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
> able to use them in a testing situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>> for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking 
> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>> have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:00:06 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:00:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS378D4403C268545F987CD3EBADB0@phx.gbl>
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I'm not assuming they have one. I'm saying it's likely they do. You're assuming they don't. Why not ask? 

And I haven't pushed Braille or training centers on you. Only practice and an open mind as an alternative to a default I can't and never ever attitude. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
> far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.
> 
> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
> been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn how to use a
> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> 
> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
> that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
> training center or not having perfect Braille skills was definitely not what
> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
> everyone else besides me.
> 
> Elizabeth. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
> Principato via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
> understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's
> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
> listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
> can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,,
>> 
>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going 
>> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
>> change this for me.
>> 
>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have 
>> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its 
>> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the 
>> recording and send it to my professor.
>> 
>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. 
>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
>> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
>> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever 
>> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. 
>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
> y want.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>> really
>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
>> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>> 
>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>>> for
>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
>> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking 
>> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>> 
>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
>> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
>> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
> do before my accident.
>>> 
>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>> have
>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:01:14 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:01:14 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS88E10113AA278F62206131BADB0@phx.gbl>
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	<COL401-EAS88E10113AA278F62206131BADB0@phx.gbl>
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Hi E
lizabeth, 
 I don't know what it's like to have to learn braille as an adult and
everyone is different. 
 I also don't know you at all as just started  participating in
conversations today. 
 However it just strikes me that you got defensive very quickly when people
were giving genuine responses. I do agree with desiree about the training
center just not for me and I don't believe any one thing no matter what the
situation should be told to someone as well this will solve all your
problems. 
 Because Like Ella pointed out of course everyone is different. 
 You keep saying you never should have started this conversation and
continue to say you don't feel listened to. Why are you continuing to engage
in a conversation that is making you feel worse? 
 Sometimes the best thing to do is just back off from something  where you
don't feel you're getting good feedback. 
 And for the record,  I do understand what it's like to have other issues in
addition to blindness as I  have various mental health concerns that affect
my everyday life. And have many friends that have both physical and mental
health concerns. 
 I'm just trying to give my  thoughts. I don't want to hurt you or anything.

 Sam 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:21 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Sam,

I never said I could not learn Braille. I simply said that I would never be
able to obtain the Braille skills necessary to be able to read and
understand Braille at the same speed and level as someone reading print. It
is more difficult to learn Braille as an adult, and I do not know of anyone
who has learned Braille as an adult who is able to use it well enough as
their primary mode of communication.

And I am sorry, but I am not going to disclose all my personal health issues
on a public email list. I am pretty sure no one on here would be able to
understand, and I and I am not willing to subject myself to more
discrimination by discussing it on a public email list.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:02 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Sam Nelson <nelsonsam68 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
 I'm sorry  things feel so hopeless. 
 Like I said if nothing seems to  work then withdrawing might be the best
option. 
  Why don't you feel like people are listening to you though. I feel like we
are and trying to give different ideas. It might help to know what your
health issues are and why you feel you can't learn braille ETC. 
 Sam 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 4:54 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Karl,

I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
understand the voice that comes with NVDA.

And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
answer.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Dear Elizabeth,

You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello All,

I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
situation.

I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. 
I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.

Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
quite sure how this option would work for me.

I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.

I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
going to be the same person that I was before my accident.

Elizabeth

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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:02:34 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
> far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.
> 
> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
> been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn how to use a
> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> 
> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
> that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
> training center or not having perfect Braille skills was definitely not what
> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
> everyone else besides me.
> 
> Elizabeth. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
> Principato via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
> understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's
> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
> listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
> can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,,
>> 
>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going 
>> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
>> change this for me.
>> 
>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have 
>> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its 
>> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the 
>> recording and send it to my professor.
>> 
>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. 
>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
>> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
>> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever 
>> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better. 
>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
> y want.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>> really
>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
>> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>> 
>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>>> for
>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
>> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking 
>> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>> 
>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
>> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
>> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
> do before my accident.
>>> 
>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>> have
>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 00:03:32 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:03:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
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	<56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <162BB5C6FA9049558E9DDDAF350D9DE3@OwnerPC>

Desiree,
so, you can take the program on most any flash drive?
What size flash drive holds NVDA?
So, what you are saying then is you do not need the administrative rights to 
install NVDA to use it.
I thought you did. Maybe I'll investigate that synthesizer more.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Desiree Oudinot
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,
I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all,
end all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be
disgruntled in your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you
were asking. You were asking a question about solutions that you could
use in the here and now, and several responses did seem to be putting
you down for not having attended a training center. That's not OK at all.

To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to
install NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable
copy on a flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and
launch the application from there. If you need help doing that, you
could either ask someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if
no one is available or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so
that you could find the flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows
below 10, you launch Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10,
it's Windows enter. Although I seriously doubt that a college testing
center is using Windows 10 yet.

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On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was against
> learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I cannot
> understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it before and
> could not understand it. I also have another disability which I am not
> comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more difficult for me to 
> be
> able to understand the default voice of NVDA. And I do not have any
> administrative rights as a student to be able to put programs on the 
> campus
> computers. If they could just simply figure out a way to properly maintain
> the computers on campus that have JAWS on them then I would not be having
> this problem.
>
> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly did
> not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as the only
> solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help me and it 
> only
> makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this point in my life I
> will not be able to learn Braille well enough to use it as my primary mode
> of communication. If I am never going to be good enough succeed as a blind
> person with other disabilities then perhaps I should not try at all and
> simply consider myself to be a failure who is never going to be able to 
> make
> anything out of my life.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you 
> don't
> know if you can understand the default voice or not unless you've worked
> with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't Free
> like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if you have 
> a
> licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to learn
> Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the ways blind
> people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to use one if 
> you're
> going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are other choices, but I don't
> know of them, and I assume you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I
> don't know why you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out
> that you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses
> print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to
> read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not
> talking about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you
> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no 
> one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, 
> and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I 
> do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
> answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
> class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, 
> and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you 
> explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think 
> you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone 
> work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but 
> Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because 
> I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to 
> type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your 
> professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to 
> DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I 
> do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in 
> my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a 
> testing
> situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am 
> not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. 
> But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and 
> capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have 
> the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:12:28 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:12:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
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	<56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
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Hello,

I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to
understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA
and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. And I do
not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.

So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel worse
now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.

It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact that I am
simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am nothing but a
failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being such a big deal.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,
I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, end
all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be disgruntled in
your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you were asking. You
were asking a question about solutions that you could use in the here and
now, and several responses did seem to be putting you down for not having
attended a training center. That's not OK at all.

To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to install
NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable copy on a
flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and launch the
application from there. If you need help doing that, you could either ask
someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if no one is available
or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so that you could find the
flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows below 10, you launch
Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using Windows 10
yet.

The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and
Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and
software!
Why not check us out at:
http://www.blindaccess.org
Or like us on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Blindaccess
Contact us directly:
podcastteam at gigajoy.net

On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA. 
> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able to 
> put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply figure 
> out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
> on them then I would not be having this problem.
>
> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help 
> me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this 
> point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough to 
> use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to be 
> good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>   
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
> Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you 
> don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if 
> you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't either 
> or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile to 
> Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
contractions is part of your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
> this is the only answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
> Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, 
> but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college
assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do
though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen 
> reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my 
> Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to 
> type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as
hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you can
find a way to do well on your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
> is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
> able to use them in a testing situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:14:57 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:14:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello

, I want this discussion to be over now. I do not have the capacity to keep
defending myself for things that I might not ever be able to do again.

Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Principato via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:00 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

I'm not assuming they have one. I'm saying it's likely they do. You're
assuming they don't. Why not ask? 

And I haven't pushed Braille or training centers on you. Only practice and
an open mind as an alternative to a default I can't and never ever attitude.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jamie,
> 
> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? 
> As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of
anything.
> 
> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn 
> how to use a new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> 
> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more 
> sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email
list.
> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an 
> NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was 
> definitely not what I needed today. It looks as though the positive 
> support of the NFB is for everyone else besides me.
> 
> Elizabeth. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
> Principato via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
> 
> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't 
> understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with 
> that. It's just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech 
> until they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw 
> ideas out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,,
>> 
>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going 
>> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to 
>> change this for me.
>> 
>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have 
>> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its 
>> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the 
>> recording and send it to my professor.
>> 
>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. 
>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow 
>> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather 
>> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever 
>> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the 
>> life
> y want.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>> really
>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
>> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>> 
>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
>>> work for
>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
>> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>> 
>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
>>> it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able 
>> to
> do before my accident.
>>> 
>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>> have
>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
accident.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:19:06 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:19:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elisabeth. This is Helga! I know how you feel about understanding Scrreen readers. I do have an issues with that still since my   First language is not English,and I did learn Braille when I was 16 years old. Now I'm currently 23 years old.  Yes, screen reader are very hard to understand  in order to read adn so on. But what I do in those cases whenever I understand the screen reader, I  read sentence by sentence, or word by word, or character by character! That is what I do when I read my books or text on the computer. I'm willing to help you in everything you need. I'm even willing to help you  help you advocate for your rights as a student. I'm even willing to help you learn how to use a screen reader successfully! I went through the same thing when I was in college, They are different circumstances, but don't say that you  are going to fail. I can even teach you how to use Braille. If you said that learning something new or understanding something is difficult, imagine me? When I came here I d  I did not speak English,  I d is not understand anything! Waht I am trying to say is, even if you go to this very hard time in trying to fight for  your rights, just stand firm and know that things  will work out. Being frustrating, will not change or fix anything you are going through, will make things worse.  In other words, I think for this first test or quiz, you should ask th e Professor t o  give you your test orally, or send  the test it you in order to take at home. You just need to be specific, adn tell her you r problem and that disability office is not helping you. And since yu mention that you have another disability, it is understandable that things will take longer to understand. So don't feel down and upset. I'm  here to help and just remember that all of us have  our own troubles. Definitely yu need to go to the Higher authorities in order tell them your difficulties that  JAWS in your school is not working the way you want  and the problems that your disability office is not helping yu the  way they are suppose to. If you want contact me off list,and we can talk! On the phone ok? I'm willing to help you!! We can talk as friends if you  prefer! Or I can give you some advise!  I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!!!

Helga Schreiber 

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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Karl,
> 
> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was against
> learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I cannot
> understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it before and
> could not understand it. I also have another disability which I am not
> comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more difficult for me to be
> able to understand the default voice of NVDA. And I do not have any
> administrative rights as a student to be able to put programs on the campus
> computers. If they could just simply figure out a way to properly maintain
> the computers on campus that have JAWS on them then I would not be having
> this problem.
> 
> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly did
> not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as the only
> solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help me and it only
> makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this point in my life I
> will not be able to learn Braille well enough to use it as my primary mode
> of communication. If I am never going to be good enough succeed as a blind
> person with other disabilities then perhaps I should not try at all and
> simply consider myself to be a failure who is never going to be able to make
> anything out of my life.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Elizabeth,
> 
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you don't
> know if you can understand the default voice or not unless you've worked
> with it a while to acclimatize yourself.  
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't Free
> like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if you have a
> licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
> 
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to learn
> Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the ways blind
> people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to use one if you're
> going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are other choices, but I don't
> know of them, and I assume you don't either or you wouldn't be asking.  I
> don't know why you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out
> that you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses
> print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to
> read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not
> talking about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you
> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hello Karl,
> 
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
> 
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
> answer.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Dear Elizabeth,
> 
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
> 
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> 
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
> 
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
> 
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
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From jaltman at neb.rr.com  Sat Jan 30 00:17:13 2016
From: jaltman at neb.rr.com (Deb and Jeff Altman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:17:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Nebraska Communications Instructor
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From: Robinson, Dave
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:49 PM
Subject: Job Posting

Good Afternoon,

This e-mail is to announce the posting of the 
Training Center Communications Instructor.

There is no end date to the posting, as it will remain open until filled.

All interested parties are required to apply 
online at <http://statejobs.nebraska.gov/>http://statejobs.nebraska.gov/

Applicants are encouraged to read through the 
instructions completely, before beginning the 
application process, as incomplete or improperly 
filled out applications will not be forwarded for review.

If you traditionally post to list serves, please 
feel free to do so with this notice.

Thanks.

Dave Robinson
Nebraska Commission For The Blind & Visually Impaired
(402)-370-3453 - Phone
(402)-370-3508 - FAX


STATE OF NEBRASKA CLASS 
SPECIFICATION                                       EST:  01/80 – REV:  09/11
VISUALLY IMPAIRED ORIENTATION COUNSELOR 
II                     CLASS CODE:      C72612

Job Location: Lincoln, Nebraska

DESCRIPTION:  Under general supervision, provides 
adjustment counseling and teaching of non-visual 
techniques for clients who are experiencing 
personal and social problems which are associated 
with the on-set of blindness.  Tasks performed 
vary greatly and are based on the needs of the 
individual client, families or guardians or 
consulting agency; performs related work as assigned.

DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS:  (A position is 
assigned to this class based on the scope and 
level of work performed as outlined below.)

This is the second classification level of two in 
the Visually Impaired Orientation Counselor class 
series. This class is differentiated from the 
Visually Impaired Orientation Counselor I class 
based on the scope and level of work performed 
and the amount of independence in which to 
perform the tasks assigned. Positions allocated 
to the first level perform basic counseling and 
teaching functions under close supervision and 
work with the guidance of Visually Impaired Orientation Counselor II staff.

Positions allocated to the Vocational 
Rehabilitation Counselor series perform 
counseling and guidance related to vocational training and work placements.

EXAMPLES OF WORK:  (A position may not be 
assigned all the duties listed, nor do these 
examples include all the duties that may be assigned.)

Evaluates the present level of skill possessed by 
clients to identify attainable goals and areas of 
needed improvement to adjust to blindness.

Educates clients and the public in understanding 
the various implications of blindness and how 
this relates to current attitudes toward blindness.

Primary duties include teaching clients computer 
skills, typing non visually, using adaptive 
equipment such as scanners, and screen readers 
such as Jaws for Windows and Open Book

Prepares clients for work by teaching them 
applications often used on the job such as 
Microsoft Word, Excel, Power Point, Outlook, and 
other Microsoft Office programs.

Teaches computer skills such as email,  internet 
navigation, social media, and Voiceover on the Mac and iOS  devices.

Prepares periodic reports to evaluate the 
clients’ progress toward successful 
rehabilitation and to monitor the overall effectiveness of programs provided.

Occasionally prepares and implements 
instructional programs for clients to address the 
necessary skills to deal effectively with 
blindness such as  cooking and other homemaking 
skills, Braille, and cane travel.

Assists in the training of new staff members in 
the different philosophies of working with the 
blind, the implications of being blind and 
teaching daily living skills to the blind.  At 
times, serves as a team leader for a working group of Orientation Counselors.

Refers  clients  to  additional  opportunities 
provided  by  the  Nebraska  Commission  for  the  Blind  and
Visually Impaired and other social service agencies.

KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND ABILITIES 
REQUIRED:   (These are needed to perform the work assigned.)

Knowledge  of:    teaching  and  instructing 
individuals;  leadership  techniques;  blindness 
philosophies; various educational modalities as 
they pertain to the rehabilitation of blind 
individuals (i.e. computer use, email, internet, 
screen readers and/or low vision applications, 
Braille, cane travel, and etc.); understanding of 
problems arising from blindness; counseling 
techniques used in the rehabilitation of the blind.

C72612 – VISUALLY IMPAIRED ORIENTATION COUNSELOR II (continued)

Skill  in:     evaluating  each  client's  needs 
and  the  subsequent  preparation  and 
implementation  of instructional programs to answer these needs.

Ability to:  lead and mentor others in the 
completion of work; organize and coordinate 
various ongoing 
instructional  programs;  apply  specific 
counseling  techniques  according  to  the 
situation;  effectively evaluate the results of 
instructional programs and revise such programs 
as warranted; establish a strong working rapport 
with clients, general public and other service agencies.

MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS: (Applicants will be 
screened for possession of these qualifications. 
Applicants who need accommodation in the 
selection process should request this in advance.)

Bachelor's degree in a behavioral science, social 
science, counseling, education or related field 
and three years experience.  Experience providing 
counseling and/or instruction to clients with a 
visual impairment or other disability may be 
substituted for a Bachelor’s degree on a 
year-for-year basis.   OR Master's degree in any 
of the above mentioned fields or related area and one year experience.

SPECIAL NOTE:

State agencies are responsible to evaluate each 
of their positions to determine their individual 
overtime eligibility status as required by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).



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From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:23:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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 I feel like if we knew more about what you're going through we could at
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:12 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello,

I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to
understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA
and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. And I do
not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.

So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel worse
now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.

It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact that I am
simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am nothing but a
failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being such a big deal.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,
I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, end
all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be disgruntled in
your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you were asking. You
were asking a question about solutions that you could use in the here and
now, and several responses did seem to be putting you down for not having
attended a training center. That's not OK at all.

To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to install
NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable copy on a
flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and launch the
application from there. If you need help doing that, you could either ask
someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if no one is available
or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so that you could find the
flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows below 10, you launch
Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using Windows 10
yet.

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On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA.
> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able to 
> put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply figure 
> out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
> on them then I would not be having this problem.
>
> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help 
> me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this 
> point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough to 
> use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to be 
> good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>
> Elizabeth
>
>   
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
> Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you 
> don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if 
> you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>
> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't either 
> or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile to 
> Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
contractions is part of your problem.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hello Karl,
>
> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>
> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
> this is the only answer.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
> Martin Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Dear Elizabeth,
>
> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, 
> but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college
assignments.
> One thing you
> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to 
> do
though.
> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen 
> reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my 
> Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to 
> type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has 
> as
hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you can
find a way to do well on your exam!
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hello All,
>
> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
> is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
> able to use them in a testing situation.
>
> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already 
> on
it.
>
> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>
> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able 
> to
do before my accident.
>
> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>
> Elizabeth
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 00:24:15 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:24:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS378D4403C268545F987CD3EBADB0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com>	<F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com>	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>	<01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>	<COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl><B74FA358-A69D-435B-B022-01BF1B1CCFEA@gmail.com>
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Elizabeth,

I'll say one more thing. I'm sorry this testing accomodation has you so 
down.
I know blind students going through school without braille and I know some 
with multiple disabilities. It is definitely doable.

I wanted to say, do not give up.  There should be a way to succeed.
I reiterate that taking exams orally is the best option.
Either arrange to take it with the professor or have it recorded for you.
I agree with Jamie that asking the disabilities office for a tape recorder 
or digital recorder is a good idea.
You're assuming a lot of things.
If they don't have it, then you have to look at other options.
But surely, if they don't, some department on campus has something to lend 
you.
And if not, maybe a classmate has something. Heck, if you were near me, I'd 
lend you my tape recorder or digital recorder. I got an Olympus year before 
last.
If there is anyone that can lend you money, you can buy a digital recorder.
Some place like best Buy or Target sells them or  online vendors.
Also Independent living aids also sells some cheap recorders.
I think the prices are like $40 or $50  depending on the model.

Another option might be to type your answers on the pc without jaws. Your 
reader and scribe person can then read it  back to you and correct
any mistakes you told them to.

Again, I hope something gets worked out. Talk to your professor and then the 
dss office about these options.
They legally have to accommodate you, and if they do not, you can pursue 
further action later.

Ashley
Ps, do something to relax!
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:56 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello Jamie,

How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.

And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn how to use a
new voice that I simply cannot understand.

I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
training center or not having perfect Braille skills was definitely not what
I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
everyone else besides me.

Elizabeth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
Principato via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's
just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All,,
>
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going
> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to
> change this for me.
>
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have
> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its
> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the
> recording and send it to my professor.
>
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow
> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather
> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> Advice
>
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever
> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
y want.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>> really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be
> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work
>> for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it
> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking
> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am
> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do
> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to
> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the
> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
do before my accident.
>>
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>> have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn
> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:33:15 2016
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:33:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com><F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com><COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl><01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>
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Message-ID: <03A4FB89AED843A7A1EA41E6BEA9974A@Dell>

Elizabeth and all,

There are add-ons for NVDA which give you access to better voices. I have an 
add-on which gives you Eloquence. I'd even be willing to send you a zipped 
link to my portable NVDA via Dropbox if you wish.

Also, for the long term, I would definitely look into Hadley School for the 
Blind (http://www.hadley.edu). They have correspondence course for Braille 
and a plethora of other items.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 15:35
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice


> Hello All,,
>
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to 
> be
> for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
> for me.
>
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
> this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
> professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
> would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
> materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
> format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to 
> my
> professor.
>
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And 
> I
> have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
> accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
> what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
> implying
> that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
> members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
> colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing 
> right
> now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do 
> not
> have to stop you from living the life y want.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in 
> my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a 
> testing
> situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to 
> catch
> up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything 
> more
> to my plate than what is already on it.
>>
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. 
> But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and 
> capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>>
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels 
> like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 00:41:05 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:41:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA was A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
	Advice
In-Reply-To: <03A4FB89AED843A7A1EA41E6BEA9974A@Dell>
References: <56ab9ba6.07cb0d0a.928e4.13cc@mx.google.com><F1FD9F69-A108-483A-AFE2-A607CD42675E@gmail.com><COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl><01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com><COL401-EAS275E5054E33CB6FA2B57469BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<03A4FB89AED843A7A1EA41E6BEA9974A@Dell>
Message-ID: <29E8A8CA61944BD2BA985C4313CE9D0B@OwnerPC>

    Ben,
You have elloquence with NVDA?
I was told by several people that that was not feasible.
Did you pay for that, and if so, how much was it?
What other better sounding voices does it support? Does it support the 
voices that the humanware victor stratus has? I think the stratus and vr 
stream  have the Real speak voices.

Thanks.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Ben J. Bloomgren via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:33 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ben J. Bloomgren
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Elizabeth and all,

There are add-ons for NVDA which give you access to better voices. I have an
add-on which gives you Eloquence. I'd even be willing to send you a zipped
link to my portable NVDA via Dropbox if you wish.

Also, for the long term, I would definitely look into Hadley School for the
Blind (http://www.hadley.edu). They have correspondence course for Braille
and a plethora of other items.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "Elizabeth Mohnke" <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 15:35
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice


> Hello All,,
>
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to 
> be
> for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
> for me.
>
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
> this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
> professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
> would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
> materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
> format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to 
> my
> professor.
>
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And 
> I
> have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
> accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
> what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
> implying
> that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
> members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
> colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing 
> right
> now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do 
> not
> have to stop you from living the life y want.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in 
> my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a 
> testing
> situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to 
> catch
> up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything 
> more
> to my plate than what is already on it.
>>
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
> much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. 
> But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and 
> capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>>
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels 
> like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>>
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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 00:59:27 2016
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:59:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS1402CC8F74090EBF0B9982CBADC0@phx.gbl>
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	<COL401-EAS3501FDAA1D0D8B23B450EBABADB0@phx.gbl>
	<56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1402CC8F74090EBF0B9982CBADC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <56AC0AEF.1000800@gmail.com>

Hi,
This will probably be my last word on the subject, as you seem to be 
rejecting everything that everyone is telling you. I understand that 
whatever you're going through must be so difficult that this is probably 
a defense mechanism of sorts, but there really has been some good advice 
given on this thread.

If you don't want to use the default voice that comes with NVDA, you 
don't have to. All Windows computers starting with Windows 2000 have 
included built-in voices so that they can run Narrator. As I said, some 
of the older ones aren't great either, but they might be easier for you 
to understand than Espeak. My offer still stands; if you need help with 
using NVDA, you can contact me off list and I will do my best to get you 
up and running with the basics that you'll need in order to take this 
test, and hopefully others, in the future.

The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and software!
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On 1/29/2016 7:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to
> understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA
> and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. And I do
> not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.
>
> So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel worse
> now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.
>
> It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact that I am
> simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am nothing but a
> failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being such a big deal.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hi,
> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, end
> all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be disgruntled in
> your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you were asking. You
> were asking a question about solutions that you could use in the here and
> now, and several responses did seem to be putting you down for not having
> attended a training center. That's not OK at all.
>
> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to install
> NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable copy on a
> flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and launch the
> application from there. If you need help doing that, you could either ask
> someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if no one is available
> or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so that you could find the
> flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows below 10, you launch
> Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
> Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using Windows 10
> yet.
>
> The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and
> Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and
> software!
> Why not check us out at:
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> Or like us on Facebook:
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>
> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was
>> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I
>> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it
>> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability
>> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more
>> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA.
>> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able to
>> put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply figure
>> out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS
>> on them then I would not be having this problem.
>>
>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly
>> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as
>> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help
>> me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this
>> point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough to
>> use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to be
>> good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then
>> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a
>> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>    
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> Advice
>>
>> Elizabeth,
>>
>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you
>> don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless
>> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't
>> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if
>> you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to
>> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the
>> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to
>> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are
>> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't either
>> or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile to
>> Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use
>> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to
>> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to
>> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking
>> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you
>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though
>> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes
>> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change
>> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>>
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it
>> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my
>> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to
>> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it
>> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply
>> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if
>> this is the only answer.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> Advice
>>
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't
>> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college
>> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley
>> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be
>> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could,
>> but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college
> assignments.
>> One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the
>> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do
> though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next
>> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later
>> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it
>> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really
>> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen
>> reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my
>> Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how
>> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids
>> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly
>> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to
>> type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to
>> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or
>> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to
>> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as
> hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you can
> find a way to do well on your exam!
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do
>> is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be
>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work
>> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I
>> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
> it.
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am
>> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do
>> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
> do before my accident.
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn
>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 01:21:13 2016
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:21:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi,
I've just tested this now, as I wasn't sure of the exact requirements.

I stuck a portable copy, with no add-ons, on a 2GB flash drive. When it 
was finished, it was only taking up 83MB of space. So, yes, any flash 
drive will handle holding NVDA just fine. I imagine that, unless you put 
large add-ons into the configuration such as the Vocalizer Expressive 
voices, you will have no trouble at all running a portable copy. The 
vast majority of add-ons are tiny.

As for it requiring administrator privileges, the only time you're going 
to run into a problem is if you encounter user account control in any 
way. So if you need to go into the task manager, or install a program, 
things like that, although for the purposes of this discussion, to use 
it to take a test or something it should be fine.

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On 1/29/2016 7:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
> Desiree,
> so, you can take the program on most any flash drive?
> What size flash drive holds NVDA?
> So, what you are saying then is you do not need the administrative 
> rights to install NVDA to use it.
> I thought you did. Maybe I'll investigate that synthesizer more.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Desiree Oudinot
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hi,
> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all,
> end all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be
> disgruntled in your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you
> were asking. You were asking a question about solutions that you could
> use in the here and now, and several responses did seem to be putting
> you down for not having attended a training center. That's not OK at all.
>
> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to
> install NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable
> copy on a flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and
> launch the application from there. If you need help doing that, you
> could either ask someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if
> no one is available or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so
> that you could find the flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows
> below 10, you launch Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10,
> it's Windows enter. Although I seriously doubt that a college testing
> center is using Windows 10 yet.
>
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> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
>> against
>> learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I cannot
>> understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it before and
>> could not understand it. I also have another disability which I am not
>> comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more difficult for me 
>> to be
>> able to understand the default voice of NVDA. And I do not have any
>> administrative rights as a student to be able to put programs on the 
>> campus
>> computers. If they could just simply figure out a way to properly 
>> maintain
>> the computers on campus that have JAWS on them then I would not be 
>> having
>> this problem.
>>
>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
>> did
>> not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as the 
>> only
>> solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help me and 
>> it only
>> makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this point in my life I
>> will not be able to learn Braille well enough to use it as my primary 
>> mode
>> of communication. If I am never going to be good enough succeed as a 
>> blind
>> person with other disabilities then perhaps I should not try at all and
>> simply consider myself to be a failure who is never going to be able 
>> to make
>> anything out of my life.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
>> Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Elizabeth,
>>
>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, 
>> you don't
>> know if you can understand the default voice or not unless you've worked
>> with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
>> Free
>> like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if you 
>> have a
>> licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
>> learn
>> Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the ways blind
>> people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to use one if 
>> you're
>> going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are other choices, but I 
>> don't
>> know of them, and I assume you don't either or you wouldn't be 
>> asking.  I
>> don't know why you're so hostile to Braille, but it's worth pointing out
>> that you don't have to use Braille as efficiently as a sighted person 
>> uses
>> print in order to organize your thoughts for an essay and then be 
>> able to
>> read it to your scribe instead of doing it all in your head. We're not
>> talking about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so 
>> you
>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
>> contractions is part of your problem.
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
>> no one
>> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with 
>> NVDA, and
>> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
>> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>>
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
>> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
>> life I do
>> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
>> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
>> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
>> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the 
>> only
>> answer.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
>> Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
>> help
>> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
>> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
>> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something 
>> you
>> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
>> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.
>> One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
>> class
>> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do 
>> though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
>> test, and
>> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you 
>> explained
>> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
>> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
>> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
>> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything. I 
>> think you
>> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a 
>> smartphone work
>> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but 
>> Iphone's
>> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two 
>> because I
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is 
>> to type
>> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your 
>> professor
>> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers 
>> to DSS
>> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really 
>> wouldn't be
>> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology 
>> as I do
>> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your 
>> exam!
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>> tell me
>> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the 
>> problems in my
>> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
>> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a 
>> testing
>> situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>> for
>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it 
>> good
>> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
>> am not
>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>> am not
>> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>> do much
>> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
>> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this 
>> class. But
>> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and 
>> capacity
>> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>>
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>> have the
>> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
>> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am 
>> never
>> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 01:43:13 2016
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:43:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] reintroducing myself to the list
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Hi everyone,
My name is Laurel and I'm a student at the University of Oklahoma. I
have been on this list for several years, but it has been an extremely
long time since I have posted anything, so there are a few of you who
might remember me, but most of you probably don't. I moved to Oklahoma
from Texas, where I attended a university that refused to accommodate
me and essentially denied me an education. I won't write too much
about that publicly, it's a long story, but basically I transferred to
the University of Oklahoma and have so far had a wonderful experience
here. Norman, Oklahoma is a very good place to live for a blind
student. There is public transit, para-transit and it's also very
walkable.
Here at OU I study Russian, it's my major. I love it and I want to
become an instructor of Russian language someday. I am learning
something like 6 or 7 other languages on my own, so if you know other
languages besides English, I would love to meet you. /smile/ I have a
guide dog from Guide Dogs for the Blind and we have been a team for 6
years. I am a member of the NFB, but am not currently involved in a
particular chapter.
I have a work-study job at my university where I help test for
accessibility, like in websites, software and I help to test different
materials for different courses the university offers. When I find
accessibility issues, I get to be part of the solution and help fix
them.
I enjoy reading you all's posts and look forward to knowing many of
you. Please feel free to write me off list at
laurel.Stockard at gmail.com if you want and we can chat.
Have a great evening,
Laurel


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 02:23:13 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:23:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello,

I am sorry that I have another disability that makes most of the suggestions
difficult for me to use for my situation. As I indicated in a previous post,
the only voice I am able to understand well is the voice that comes with
JAWS. I cannot understand the Windows Narrator voice any better than the
NVDA voice, and my other disability will most likely prevent me from being
able to understand other voices even after trying to get used to them by
using them. I am sorry this is such a difficult concept for other people to
understand.

But even if I could find a way to use the JAWS voice with NVDA on a USB
flash drive, I am not so sure the disabilities office would let me use it.
When I asked them if I could get someone to help me make a poster for a
poster board presentation, I was told this was not something they could do
because they considered this as doing my homework for me. Since the
disabilities office is rather anal about what accommodations they are
willing to approve, something tells me they would not allow me to use the
USB flash drive over concerns that I would use it to cheat on my exam.

I do not understand how my college failing to provide me with accommodations
is somehow my fault. People post questions regarding specific situations
they are facing as blind students all the time. However, I do not see these
people be berated and put down is the same manner as me, so I honestly do
not understand why I have to be treated this way. If anything, it only seems
to give me more reasons for me not to like or be a part of the NFB.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,
This will probably be my last word on the subject, as you seem to be
rejecting everything that everyone is telling you. I understand that
whatever you're going through must be so difficult that this is probably a
defense mechanism of sorts, but there really has been some good advice given
on this thread.

If you don't want to use the default voice that comes with NVDA, you don't
have to. All Windows computers starting with Windows 2000 have included
built-in voices so that they can run Narrator. As I said, some of the older
ones aren't great either, but they might be easier for you to understand
than Espeak. My offer still stands; if you need help with using NVDA, you
can contact me off list and I will do my best to get you up and running with
the basics that you'll need in order to take this test, and hopefully
others, in the future.

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On 1/29/2016 7:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to 
> understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with 
> NVDA and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. 
> And I do not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.
>
> So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel 
> worse now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.
>
> It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact 
> that I am simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am 
> nothing but a failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being
such a big deal.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree 
> Oudinot via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hi,
> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, 
> end all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be 
> disgruntled in your situation, too, because that wasn't the question 
> you were asking. You were asking a question about solutions that you 
> could use in the here and now, and several responses did seem to be 
> putting you down for not having attended a training center. That's not OK
at all.
>
> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to 
> install NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable 
> copy on a flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and 
> launch the application from there. If you need help doing that, you 
> could either ask someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, 
> if no one is available or willing to help, you could launch Narrator 
> so that you could find the flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of 
> Windows below 10, you launch Narrator by pressing windows u, and in
Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
> Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using 
> Windows 10 yet.
>
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> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
>> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
>> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
>> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
>> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
>> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA.
>> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able 
>> to put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply 
>> figure out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that 
>> have JAWS on them then I would not be having this problem.
>>
>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
>> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
>> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to 
>> help me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at 
>> this point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough 
>> to use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to 
>> be good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
>> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
>> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>    
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Elizabeth,
>>
>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, 
>> you don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
>> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
>> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive 
>> if you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
>> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
>> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
>> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
>> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't 
>> either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile 
>> to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
>> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
>> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
>> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
>> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
>> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
>> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
>> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>>
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
>> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
>> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
>> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
>> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
>> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
>> this is the only answer.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
>> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
>> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
>> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
>> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we 
>> could, but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do 
>> college
> assignments.
>> One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
>> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to 
>> do
> though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
>> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
>> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
>> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
>> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a 
>> screen reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use 
>> my Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
>> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
>> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
>> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is 
>> to type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
>> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
>> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
>> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has 
>> as
> hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you 
> can find a way to do well on your exam!
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to 
>> do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve 
>> all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB 
>> training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills 
>> necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to 
>> use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
>> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already 
>> on
> it.
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able 
>> to
> do before my accident.
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it 
>> just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sat Jan 30 02:25:17 2016
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:25:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] reintroducing myself to the list
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Welcome back and Hook Em' Horns :p 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Laurel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> My name is Laurel and I'm a student at the University of Oklahoma. I
> have been on this list for several years, but it has been an extremely
> long time since I have posted anything, so there are a few of you who
> might remember me, but most of you probably don't. I moved to Oklahoma
> from Texas, where I attended a university that refused to accommodate
> me and essentially denied me an education. I won't write too much
> about that publicly, it's a long story, but basically I transferred to
> the University of Oklahoma and have so far had a wonderful experience
> here. Norman, Oklahoma is a very good place to live for a blind
> student. There is public transit, para-transit and it's also very
> walkable.
> Here at OU I study Russian, it's my major. I love it and I want to
> become an instructor of Russian language someday. I am learning
> something like 6 or 7 other languages on my own, so if you know other
> languages besides English, I would love to meet you. /smile/ I have a
> guide dog from Guide Dogs for the Blind and we have been a team for 6
> years. I am a member of the NFB, but am not currently involved in a
> particular chapter.
> I have a work-study job at my university where I help test for
> accessibility, like in websites, software and I help to test different
> materials for different courses the university offers. When I find
> accessibility issues, I get to be part of the solution and help fix
> them.
> I enjoy reading you all's posts and look forward to knowing many of
> you. Please feel free to write me off list at
> laurel.Stockard at gmail.com if you want and we can chat.
> Have a great evening,
> Laurel
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Jan 30 02:26:32 2016
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:26:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth

Are you a client of VR? I know you mentioned other people getting stuff but
you did not state if you are a client or qualify.

I had to fight vr initially. I did it on my own. I adked for something
justifiable. She said no. I filed an official appeal and my request was
approved.

Do you get financial aid? Do have more you can qualify for ie loans?
Getting a student loan for a computer would be well worth it if you
qualify.

Speak to the head of disabled student services, then speak to who ever is
above them and continue up until your situation is taken care of. It is a
pain but I have had to fight battles to get stuff.

Your disabled student office should have a minimum of one computer with
jaws for test taking. If not, push for it.

I hope you can get this resolved

Good luck

On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
> to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
> it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
> at least give it a try.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 02:31:59 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:31:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Evening, List,

That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing 
my writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class 
computers in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and 
>have a scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct 
>typos and errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a 
>reader do the job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jamie,
> >
> > How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
> > far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.
> >
> > And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
> > been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn 
> how to use a
> > new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> >
> > I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
> > that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
> > Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
> > training center or not having perfect Braille skills was 
> definitely not what
> > I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
> > everyone else besides me.
> >
> > Elizabeth.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
> > Principato via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> >
> > The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
> > understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with 
> that. It's
> > just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
> > listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
> > can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,,
> >>
> >> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going
> >> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to
> >> change this for me.
> >>
> >> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
> >> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
> >> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
> >> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have
> >> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its
> >> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the
> >> recording and send it to my professor.
> >>
> >> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
> >> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow
> >> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather
> >> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> >> Advice
> >>
> >> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
> >> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
> >> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
> >> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever
> >> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
> >> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
> > y want.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> >>> really
> >> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
> >> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
> >> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
> >> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be
> >> able to use them in a testing situation.
> >>>
> >>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work
> >>> for
> >> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it
> >> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
> >> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking
> >> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> >>>
> >>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> >> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am
> >> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> >>>
> >>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> >> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do
> >> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
> >> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to
> >> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the
> >> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
> > do before my accident.
> >>>
> >>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
> >>> have
> >> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> >> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn
> >> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 02:33:48 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:33:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Leader Dog Offers Free Summer Camp for Blind Teens
Message-ID: <012a01d15b06$a699be40$f3cd3ac0$@gmail.com>

Fellow NABSters:

 

I have been asked to circulate the below announcement regarding a free
summer program for blind teens offered by Leader Dogs for the Blind in
Rochester, MI. Please see the information below and contact Leader Dogs
directly with any questions.

 

Leader Dogs for the Blind is Accepting Applications for their 2016 Summer
Experience Camp

Are you a teenager who could use a week of fun, outdoor activity and
friendship this summer? Does kayaking, rock wall climbing and tandem biking
sound good to you? Would you enjoy the challenge of developing new travel
skills and stretching your independence? If so, the Leader Dogs for the
Blind Summer Experience Camp was designed with you in mind.

 

The program combines outdoor activities with things exclusively Leader
Dog-GPS training and the opportunity to spend time with Leader Dogs in
training and guide dog mobility instructors. The combination will help you
increase the skills you need to live independently!

 

Summer Experience Camp is for boys and girls ages 16 and 17 who are legally
blind. The program is completely free including airfare to Michigan-and
everyone receives a free HumanWare Trekker Breeze+ GPS device to keep.
Summer Experience Camp is scheduled for June 25-July 2, 2016. Applications
are due by April 1, 2016.

 

For more information and to download an application, go to
www.leaderdog.org/clients/programs/summer-experience-camp or call the Leader
Dogs for the Blind client services department at 888-777-5332.

 

Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Vice President, Greater Carroll County Chapter, National Federation of the
Blind of Maryland

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

 


From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 02:35:10 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:35:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth, 
 As I said before I do know what it's like to have additional disabilitys to
blindness. As I personally have severe mental illness. I have also met other
blind people with these issues and you're right dealing with two significant
disabilities is very overwhelming and sometimes you're in imposible
situations. Or have to make choices about things in your life others
wouldn't agree with, who don't understand your situation and the extra hoops
you have to go through day to day. 
 What school is this if you don't mind me asking? I'm very lucky I went to
Lesley university where I had an awesome disability office. They helped with
everything I and others needed. 
 Do you have auditory processing disorder or a  hearing loss? If so there
could be technology/ therapy that could help with this which  in turn would
make your learning easier addressing both issues. You're right that students
ask about accomidations. And I'm glad you did reach out. The more we know
about your situation the more we can help in a way that would seem helpful
to you. I do see how complex this all is with a lot of  variables against
you. With the overwhelming nature of what you have going on after the
accident just pursuing a class is a huge thing. Even if it doesn't turn out
or you have to withdraw it doesn't take away that you tried. 
 Sam 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:23 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hello,

I am sorry that I have another disability that makes most of the suggestions
difficult for me to use for my situation. As I indicated in a previous post,
the only voice I am able to understand well is the voice that comes with
JAWS. I cannot understand the Windows Narrator voice any better than the
NVDA voice, and my other disability will most likely prevent me from being
able to understand other voices even after trying to get used to them by
using them. I am sorry this is such a difficult concept for other people to
understand.

But even if I could find a way to use the JAWS voice with NVDA on a USB
flash drive, I am not so sure the disabilities office would let me use it.
When I asked them if I could get someone to help me make a poster for a
poster board presentation, I was told this was not something they could do
because they considered this as doing my homework for me. Since the
disabilities office is rather anal about what accommodations they are
willing to approve, something tells me they would not allow me to use the
USB flash drive over concerns that I would use it to cheat on my exam.

I do not understand how my college failing to provide me with accommodations
is somehow my fault. People post questions regarding specific situations
they are facing as blind students all the time. However, I do not see these
people be berated and put down is the same manner as me, so I honestly do
not understand why I have to be treated this way. If anything, it only seems
to give me more reasons for me not to like or be a part of the NFB.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 7:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi,
This will probably be my last word on the subject, as you seem to be
rejecting everything that everyone is telling you. I understand that
whatever you're going through must be so difficult that this is probably a
defense mechanism of sorts, but there really has been some good advice given
on this thread.

If you don't want to use the default voice that comes with NVDA, you don't
have to. All Windows computers starting with Windows 2000 have included
built-in voices so that they can run Narrator. As I said, some of the older
ones aren't great either, but they might be easier for you to understand
than Espeak. My offer still stands; if you need help with using NVDA, you
can contact me off list and I will do my best to get you up and running with
the basics that you'll need in order to take this test, and hopefully
others, in the future.

The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and
Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and
software!
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On 1/29/2016 7:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to 
> understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with 
> NVDA and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it.
> And I do not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.
>
> So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel 
> worse now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.
>
> It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact 
> that I am simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am 
> nothing but a failure who can barely do anything anymore without it 
> being
such a big deal.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree 
> Oudinot via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hi,
> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, 
> end all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be 
> disgruntled in your situation, too, because that wasn't the question 
> you were asking. You were asking a question about solutions that you 
> could use in the here and now, and several responses did seem to be 
> putting you down for not having attended a training center. That's not 
> OK
at all.
>
> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to 
> install NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable 
> copy on a flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and 
> launch the application from there. If you need help doing that, you 
> could either ask someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, 
> if no one is available or willing to help, you could launch Narrator 
> so that you could find the flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of 
> Windows below 10, you launch Narrator by pressing windows u, and in
Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
> Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using 
> Windows 10 yet.
>
> The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the 
> Windows and Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of 
> accessible games and software!
> Why not check us out at:
> http://www.blindaccess.org
> Or like us on Facebook:
> https://www.facebook.com/Blindaccess
> Contact us directly:
> podcastteam at gigajoy.net
>
> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
>> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
>> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
>> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
>> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
>> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA.
>> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able 
>> to put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply 
>> figure out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that 
>> have JAWS on them then I would not be having this problem.
>>
>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
>> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
>> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to 
>> help me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at 
>> this point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough 
>> to use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to 
>> be good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
>> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
>> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>    
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Elizabeth,
>>
>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, 
>> you don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
>> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
>> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive 
>> if you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>>
>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
>> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
>> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
>> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
>> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't 
>> either or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile 
>> to Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
>> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
>> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
>> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
>> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello Karl,
>>
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
>> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
>> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
>> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>>
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
>> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
>> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
>> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
>> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
>> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
>> this is the only answer.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
>> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
>> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
>> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
>> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we 
>> could, but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do 
>> college
> assignments.
>> One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
>> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to 
>> do
> though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
>> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
>> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
>> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
>> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a 
>> screen reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use 
>> my Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
>> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
>> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
>> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is 
>> to type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
>> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
>> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
>> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has 
>> as
> hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you 
> can find a way to do well on your exam!
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to 
>> do is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve 
>> all the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB 
>> training center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills 
>> necessary to be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to 
>> use it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
>> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already 
>> on
> it.
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able 
>> to
> do before my accident.
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it 
>> just feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before 
>> my
accident.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 02:35:37 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:35:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello Suzanne,

No, I am not a client of the vocational rehabilitation agency. And no,  I
currently do not receive financial assistance. A student needs to be
enrolled on a half time basis in order to receive financial assistance, and
I am only taking one class.

I am sure there are lots of things my disabilities office should be doing,
but that does not mean that they are doing them or have any desire to do
them in the future. Unfortunately, I do not believe I have the capacity to
fight the college disability office all on my own right now. 

Elizabeth 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:27 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth

Are you a client of VR? I know you mentioned other people getting stuff but
you did not state if you are a client or qualify.

I had to fight vr initially. I did it on my own. I adked for something
justifiable. She said no. I filed an official appeal and my request was
approved.

Do you get financial aid? Do have more you can qualify for ie loans?
Getting a student loan for a computer would be well worth it if you qualify.

Speak to the head of disabled student services, then speak to who ever is
above them and continue up until your situation is taken care of. It is a
pain but I have had to fight battles to get stuff.

Your disabled student office should have a minimum of one computer with jaws
for test taking. If not, push for it.

I hope you can get this resolved

Good luck

On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
> being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. 
> It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to this
message.
> However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
> seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
> everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
>
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take 
> with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about 
> failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I 
> took classes before, I was able to use a computer in the testing 
> center for answering short answer and essay questions that were on my 
> exams. However, it appears as though the college no longer offers this 
> as an accommodation. The college is supposed to have computers on 
> campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, these computers do not 
> work correctly, and every time I ask about the status of the computer 
> with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there always seems to be 
> something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to what to do for 
> my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my class 
> because of a lack of accommodations.
>
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
> out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on 
> my exam? My college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office 
> to provide and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk 
> to my professor, she will most likely tell me that I would need to 
> talk to the disabilities office in order to get any accommodations for 
> my exam. But the disabilities office does not appear to provide the 
> accommodations I need, so I feel like I am just caught up in some
bureaucratic mess.
>
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
> office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for 
> me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find it 
> rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words by 
> dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
> accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I do 
> not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own computer 
> that I can take to class, and the college does not appear to know how 
> to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS on them, I 
> feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for my exams. If I had 
> known this was the situation I was going to be facing, I probably 
> would not have signed up to take this class.
>
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated 
> when I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to 
> them from their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets 
> privilege of receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation 
> agency, and not everyone has the privilege of having others help them 
> advocate to receive services from the vocational rehabilitation agency 
> either. And I guess I just find it rather difficult to make anything 
> out of my life given my limited amount of resources and a lack of 
> support from other people.
>
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
> to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
> frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to 
> figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever 
> works out, and that I can never really get the support I need from 
> others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for me 
> before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive any 
> help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least give it a
try.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 02:37:29 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:37:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello,

Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work for
all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
reader.

Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Evening, List,

That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a 
>scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and 
>errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the 
>job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Jamie,
> >
> > How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape 
> > recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
much of anything.
> >
> > And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
> > have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
> how to use a
> > new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> >
> > I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even 
> > more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
email list.
> > Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend 
> > an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
> definitely not what
> > I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB 
> > is for everyone else besides me.
> >
> > Elizabeth.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
> > Principato via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> > Advice
> >
> > The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you 
> > don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help 
> > with
> that. It's
> > just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until 
> > they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas 
> > out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello All,,
> >>
> >> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
> >> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is 
> >> going to change this for me.
> >>
> >> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
> >> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
> >> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
> >> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I 
> >> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream 
> >> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a 
> >> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
> >>
> >> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
> >> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would 
> >> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be 
> >> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
accommodation.
> >>
> >> Elizabeth
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> >> Advice
> >>
> >> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
> >> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
> >> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
> >> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from 
> >> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
> >> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living 
> >> the life
> > y want.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello All,
> >>>
> >>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
> >>> really
> >> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
> >> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
> >> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
> >> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to 
> >> be able to use them in a testing situation.
> >>>
> >>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
> >>> work for
> >> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
> >> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
> >> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
> >> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> >>>
> >>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
> >>> it
> >> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
> >> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> >>>
> >>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
> >>> vocational
> >> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
> >> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really 
> >> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a 
> >> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have 
> >> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to 
> >> be able to
> > do before my accident.
> >>>
> >>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
> >>> have
> >> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
> >> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
> >> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
accident.
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth
> >>>
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Jan 30 02:44:32 2016
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:44:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS95A45DFB02507931BB3FF2BADC0@phx.gbl>
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Do you have a local nfb chapter that could maybe support you with the
disabled services office?

On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
>
> No, I am not a client of the vocational rehabilitation agency. And no,  I
> currently do not receive financial assistance. A student needs to be
> enrolled on a half time basis in order to receive financial assistance, and
> I am only taking one class.
>
> I am sure there are lots of things my disabilities office should be doing,
> but that does not mean that they are doing them or have any desire to do
> them in the future. Unfortunately, I do not believe I have the capacity to
> fight the college disability office all on my own right now.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On Behalf
> Of Suzanne Germano
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Hi Elizabeth
>
> Are you a client of VR? I know you mentioned other people getting stuff but
> you did not state if you are a client or qualify.
>
> I had to fight vr initially. I did it on my own. I adked for something
> justifiable. She said no. I filed an official appeal and my request was
> approved.
>
> Do you get financial aid? Do have more you can qualify for ie loans?
> Getting a student loan for a computer would be well worth it if you
> qualify.
>
> Speak to the head of disabled student services, then speak to who ever is
> above them and continue up until your situation is taken care of. It is a
> pain but I have had to fight battles to get stuff.
>
> Your disabled student office should have a minimum of one computer with
> jaws
> for test taking. If not, push for it.
>
> I hope you can get this resolved
>
> Good luck
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone
> > being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
> > It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to this
> message.
> > However,
> > from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
> > seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
> > everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
> >
> > I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
> > with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
> > failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I
> > took classes before, I was able to use a computer in the testing
> > center for answering short answer and essay questions that were on my
> > exams. However, it appears as though the college no longer offers this
> > as an accommodation. The college is supposed to have computers on
> > campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, these computers do not
> > work correctly, and every time I ask about the status of the computer
> > with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there always seems to be
> > something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to what to do for
> > my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my class
> > because of a lack of accommodations.
> >
> > So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write
> > out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
> > my exam? My college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office
> > to provide and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk
> > to my professor, she will most likely tell me that I would need to
> > talk to the disabilities office in order to get any accommodations for
> > my exam. But the disabilities office does not appear to provide the
> > accommodations I need, so I feel like I am just caught up in some
> bureaucratic mess.
> >
> > It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
> > office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
> > me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
> > rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words by
> > dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best
> > accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I do
> > not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own computer
> > that I can take to class, and the college does not appear to know how
> > to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS on them, I
> > feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for my exams. If I had
> > known this was the situation I was going to be facing, I probably
> > would not have signed up to take this class.
> >
> > I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> > when I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
> > them from their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
> > privilege of receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation
> > agency, and not everyone has the privilege of having others help them
> > advocate to receive services from the vocational rehabilitation agency
> > either. And I guess I just find it rather difficult to make anything
> > out of my life given my limited amount of resources and a lack of
> > support from other people.
> >
> > Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages
> > to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
> > frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to
> > figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever
> > works out, and that I can never really get the support I need from
> > others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for me
> > before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive any
> > help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least give it a
> try.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 30 03:07:34 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:07:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello Suzanne,

Yes, I have already been in contact with my local NFB chapter as well as my
NFB state affiliate. Neither one seem to be of much help to me.

Elizabeth .-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:45 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Do you have a local nfb chapter that could maybe support you with the
disabled services office?

On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello Suzanne,
>
> No, I am not a client of the vocational rehabilitation agency. And no,  
> I currently do not receive financial assistance. A student needs to be 
> enrolled on a half time basis in order to receive financial 
> assistance, and I am only taking one class.
>
> I am sure there are lots of things my disabilities office should be 
> doing, but that does not mean that they are doing them or have any 
> desire to do them in the future. Unfortunately, I do not believe I 
> have the capacity to fight the college disability office all on my own
right now.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On 
> Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:27 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu <javascript:;>>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
>
> Hi Elizabeth
>
> Are you a client of VR? I know you mentioned other people getting 
> stuff but you did not state if you are a client or qualify.
>
> I had to fight vr initially. I did it on my own. I adked for something 
> justifiable. She said no. I filed an official appeal and my request 
> was approved.
>
> Do you get financial aid? Do have more you can qualify for ie loans?
> Getting a student loan for a computer would be well worth it if you 
> qualify.
>
> Speak to the head of disabled student services, then speak to who ever 
> is above them and continue up until your situation is taken care of. 
> It is a pain but I have had to fight battles to get stuff.
>
> Your disabled student office should have a minimum of one computer 
> with jaws for test taking. If not, push for it.
>
> I hope you can get this resolved
>
> Good luck
>
> On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l < 
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello All,
> >
> > There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
> > being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
> > It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to 
> > this
> message.
> > However,
> > from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
> > seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
> > everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
> >
> > I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could 
> > take with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried 
> > about failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my 
> > college. When I took classes before, I was able to use a computer in 
> > the testing center for answering short answer and essay questions 
> > that were on my exams. However, it appears as though the college no 
> > longer offers this as an accommodation. The college is supposed to 
> > have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, 
> > these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about 
> > the status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing 
> > room, there always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am 
> > really at a loss as to what to do for my exams, and I am really 
> > scared that I am going to fail my class because of a lack of
accommodations.
> >
> > So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
> > out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be 
> > on my exam? My college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities 
> > office to provide and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, 
> > if I talk to my professor, she will most likely tell me that I would 
> > need to talk to the disabilities office in order to get any 
> > accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities office does not 
> > appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like I am 
> > just caught up in some
> bureaucratic mess.
> >
> > It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
> > office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work 
> > for me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find 
> > it rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words 
> > by dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
> > accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I 
> > do not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own 
> > computer that I can take to class, and the college does not appear 
> > to know how to properly maintain the computers on campus that have 
> > JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for 
> > my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be 
> > facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> >
> > I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
> > frustrated when I see other blind students get pretty much 
> > everything handed to them from their vocational rehabilitation 
> > agency. Not everyone gets privilege of receiving services from a 
> > vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone has the privilege 
> > of having others help them advocate to receive services from the 
> > vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it 
> > rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited 
> > amount of resources and a lack of support from other people.
> >
> > Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
> > to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
> > frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying 
> > to figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life 
> > ever works out, and that I can never really get the support I need 
> > from others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for 
> > me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive 
> > any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least 
> > give it a
> try.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 03:16:18 2016
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:16:18 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Evening, Elizabeth,


Yes, and I was not suggesting it might. But, if you have someone to 
look over your shoulder as you are typing wherein, they could tell 
you realtime when you've misstypped? I don't know. Take it or leave it.
At 06:37 PM 1/29/2016, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work for
>all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
>cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
>reader.
>
>Elizabeth
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
>National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
>Evening, List,
>
>That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
>writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
>in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
>CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
> >Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a
> >scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and
> >errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the
> >job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Jamie,
> > >
> > > How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape
> > > recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
>much of anything.
> > >
> > > And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I
> > > have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
> > how to use a
> > > new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> > >
> > > I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even
> > > more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
>email list.
> > > Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend
> > > an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
> > definitely not what
> > > I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB
> > > is for everyone else besides me.
> > >
> > > Elizabeth.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
> > > Principato via nabs-l
> > > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> > > Advice
> > >
> > > The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you
> > > don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help
> > > with
> > that. It's
> > > just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until
> > > they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas
> > > out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello All,,
> > >>
> > >> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it
> > >> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is
> > >> going to change this for me.
> > >>
> > >> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
> > >> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
> > >> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
> > >> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I
> > >> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream
> > >> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a
> > >> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
> > >>
> > >> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
> > >> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would
> > >> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be
> > >> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
>accommodation.
> > >>
> > >> Elizabeth
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> > >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> > >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> > >> Advice
> > >>
> > >> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
> > >> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
> > >> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
> > >> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from
> > >> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
> > >> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living
> > >> the life
> > > y want.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPad
> > >>
> > >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> > >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello All,
> > >>>
> > >>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> > >>> really
> > >> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
> > >> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
> > >> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
> > >> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to
> > >> be able to use them in a testing situation.
> > >>>
> > >>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
> > >>> work for
> > >> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
> > >> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
> > >> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
> > >> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> > >>>
> > >>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used
> > >>> it
> > >> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I
> > >> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> > >>>
> > >>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
> > >>> vocational
> > >> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not
> > >> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really
> > >> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a
> > >> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have
> > >> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to
> > >> be able to
> > > do before my accident.
> > >>>
> > >>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
> > >>> have
> > >> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> > >> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just
> > >> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
>accident.
> > >>>
> > >>> Elizabeth
> > >>>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 03:18:25 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 20:18:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Ok. Why are you getting defensive and shooting people down for offering you suggestions? Isn't that what you asked for? Be an active part of the problem solving process. Help us understand your strengths and weaknesses better so we can offer more ideas. Another is to talk to your professor about an oral exam, either on a recording evict or in her office. Yet another is to have your scribe simply start the audio recorder that is built into windows for you so you can record your answers, then stop it while you think about the next question or when ever you're finished. Then you just save that file for your teacher. You're probably going to accuse me of assuming your disability services office would do that. But instead, why not ask them first of they will. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work for
> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
> reader.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Evening, List,
> 
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a 
>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and 
>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the 
>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jamie,
>>> 
>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape 
>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
> much of anything.
>>> 
>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>> how to use a
>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even 
>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
> email list.
>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend 
>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>> definitely not what
>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB 
>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you 
>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help 
>>> with
>> that. It's
>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until 
>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas 
>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,,
>>>> 
>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is 
>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>> 
>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I 
>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream 
>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a 
>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would 
>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be 
>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> accommodation.
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>>> Advice
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from 
>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living 
>>>> the life
>>> y want.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>>>> really
>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to 
>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
>>>>> work for
>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
>>>>> it
>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
>>>>> vocational
>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really 
>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a 
>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have 
>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to 
>>>> be able to
>>> do before my accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
> accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 03:26:52 2016
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 21:26:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] running an FB group
Message-ID: <03c901d15b0e$1041c2f0$30c548d0$@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 

 Am going to be starting a group  on FB for those who have mental illness.
Any disability in addition or other issues are welcome! 

 Have used e-mail lists since starting my blind mental health group in 2013.
Unfortantely e-mail lists seem to have fell off the earth  in general. In an
informal survey I did about people's preferred ways of getting support
online many had no idea what an e-mail list even was. 

 Still I tried starting other general support groups but with no good
effect. 

 I was restisant to starting an FB group because I saw so much drama in
there but I think that's on the mods to handle. Am just wondering how easy
it would be to run/ set settings and things. I'm only used to the e-mail
group platform like groups.io yahoo ETC. 

 Am hoping to get a sighted mod or two as an extra pair of eyes to make sure
things are ok.  And that people aren't posting photos and then not even
describing them. 

 Anyway am just wondering any good  tips for the ins and outs of running a
group? Would want as much as possible to be able to handled over e-mail but
my very techy friend said that's not possible. I remember a couple years
back I got notifications about things and I still get something saying
people's birthdays I know. So wonder if it's just a setting wrong. Am so
used to just working with e-mail guess I'll just have to have the mobile
site open on my computer all the time. I don't have a smart phone or
anything. 

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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Jan 30 03:29:56 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:29:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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I had to do this for some short answer questions on my statistics exam. 

--Christina

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 21:31, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Evening, List,
> 
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello Jamie,
>> >
>> > How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape recorder? As
>> > far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have much of anything.
>> >
>> > And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I have
>> > been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn how to use a
>> > new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>> >
>> > I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even more sorry
>> > that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this email list.
>> > Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend an NFB
>> > training center or not having perfect Braille skills was definitely not what
>> > I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB is for
>> > everyone else besides me.
>> >
>> > Elizabeth.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
>> > Principato via nabs-l
>> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> >
>> > The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you don't
>> > understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help with that. It's
>> > just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until they've
>> > listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas out with an "I
>> > can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hello All,,
>> >>
>> >> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going
>> >> to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to
>> >> change this for me.
>> >>
>> >> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
>> >> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
>> >> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
>> >> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I have
>> >> all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream has its
>> >> own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the
>> >> recording and send it to my professor.
>> >>
>> >> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>> >> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow
>> >> such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather
>> >> controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
>> >>
>> >> Elizabeth
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> >> Advice
>> >>
>> >> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
>> >> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
>> >> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
>> >> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever
>> >> you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>> >> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living the life
>> > y want.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPad
>> >>
>> >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hello All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>> >>> really
>> >> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
>> >> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the
>> >> problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
>> >> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be
>> >> able to use them in a testing situation.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work
>> >>> for
>> >> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it
>> >> good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
>> >> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking
>> >> to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> >> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am
>> >> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> >>>
>> >>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> >> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do
>> >> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been
>> >> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to
>> >> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the
>> >> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
>> > do before my accident.
>> >>>
>> >>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>> >>> have
>> >> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
>> >> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn
>> >> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> >>>
>> >>> Elizabeth
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> nabs-l mailing list
>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >> nabs-l:
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou
>> >> d.com
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gma
>> >> il.com
>> >
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> 
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Jan 30 03:33:31 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:33:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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If your other disability is not related to speech, you could use dictate or a program such as Dragon. Maybe you could ask disability services if they have Dragon on the computer?

--Christina

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 21:37, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work for
> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
> reader.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Evening, List,
> 
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a 
>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and 
>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the 
>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jamie,
>>> 
>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape 
>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
> much of anything.
>>> 
>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>> how to use a
>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even 
>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
> email list.
>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend 
>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>> definitely not what
>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB 
>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you 
>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help 
>>> with
>> that. It's
>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until 
>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas 
>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,,
>>>> 
>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is 
>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>> 
>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I 
>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream 
>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a 
>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would 
>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be 
>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> accommodation.
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>>> Advice
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from 
>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living 
>>>> the life
>>> y want.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>>>> really
>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to 
>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
>>>>> work for
>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
>>>>> it
>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
>>>>> vocational
>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really 
>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a 
>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have 
>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to 
>>>> be able to
>>> do before my accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
> accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>>>> for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40ic
>>>> lou
>>>> d.com
>>>> 
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 06:12:57 2016
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:12:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] reintroducing myself to the list
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Hey Laurel!
Welcome back!

On 1/29/16, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Welcome back and Hook Em' Horns :p
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Laurel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>> My name is Laurel and I'm a student at the University of Oklahoma. I
>> have been on this list for several years, but it has been an extremely
>> long time since I have posted anything, so there are a few of you who
>> might remember me, but most of you probably don't. I moved to Oklahoma
>> from Texas, where I attended a university that refused to accommodate
>> me and essentially denied me an education. I won't write too much
>> about that publicly, it's a long story, but basically I transferred to
>> the University of Oklahoma and have so far had a wonderful experience
>> here. Norman, Oklahoma is a very good place to live for a blind
>> student. There is public transit, para-transit and it's also very
>> walkable.
>> Here at OU I study Russian, it's my major. I love it and I want to
>> become an instructor of Russian language someday. I am learning
>> something like 6 or 7 other languages on my own, so if you know other
>> languages besides English, I would love to meet you. /smile/ I have a
>> guide dog from Guide Dogs for the Blind and we have been a team for 6
>> years. I am a member of the NFB, but am not currently involved in a
>> particular chapter.
>> I have a work-study job at my university where I help test for
>> accessibility, like in websites, software and I help to test different
>> materials for different courses the university offers. When I find
>> accessibility issues, I get to be part of the solution and help fix
>> them.
>> I enjoy reading you all's posts and look forward to knowing many of
>> you. Please feel free to write me off list at
>> laurel.Stockard at gmail.com if you want and we can chat.
>> Have a great evening,
>> Laurel
>>
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the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
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From troubleclark at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 06:34:18 2016
From: troubleclark at gmail.com (Nathan Clark)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:34:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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What state are you in?

Nathan Clark

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:07 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Suzanne,
> 
> Yes, I have already been in contact with my local NFB chapter as well as my
> NFB state affiliate. Neither one seem to be of much help to me.
> 
> Elizabeth .-----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:45 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Do you have a local nfb chapter that could maybe support you with the
> disabled services office?
> 
> On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Suzanne,
>> 
>> No, I am not a client of the vocational rehabilitation agency. And no,  
>> I currently do not receive financial assistance. A student needs to be 
>> enrolled on a half time basis in order to receive financial 
>> assistance, and I am only taking one class.
>> 
>> I am sure there are lots of things my disabilities office should be 
>> doing, but that does not mean that they are doing them or have any 
>> desire to do them in the future. Unfortunately, I do not believe I 
>> have the capacity to fight the college disability office all on my own
> right now.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On 
>> Behalf Of Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:27 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>> Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu <javascript:;>>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Hi Elizabeth
>> 
>> Are you a client of VR? I know you mentioned other people getting 
>> stuff but you did not state if you are a client or qualify.
>> 
>> I had to fight vr initially. I did it on my own. I adked for something 
>> justifiable. She said no. I filed an official appeal and my request 
>> was approved.
>> 
>> Do you get financial aid? Do have more you can qualify for ie loans?
>> Getting a student loan for a computer would be well worth it if you 
>> qualify.
>> 
>> Speak to the head of disabled student services, then speak to who ever 
>> is above them and continue up until your situation is taken care of. 
>> It is a pain but I have had to fight battles to get stuff.
>> 
>> Your disabled student office should have a minimum of one computer 
>> with jaws for test taking. If not, push for it.
>> 
>> I hope you can get this resolved
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>> On Friday, January 29, 2016, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l < 
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone 
>>> being upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
>>> It seems as though people on here were offended by my response to 
>>> this
>> message.
>>> However,
>>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom 
>>> seems to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not 
>>> everyone can afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>> 
>>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could 
>>> take with me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried 
>>> about failing my exams due to a lack of accommodations by my 
>>> college. When I took classes before, I was able to use a computer in 
>>> the testing center for answering short answer and essay questions 
>>> that were on my exams. However, it appears as though the college no 
>>> longer offers this as an accommodation. The college is supposed to 
>>> have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the time, 
>>> these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about 
>>> the status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing 
>>> room, there always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am 
>>> really at a loss as to what to do for my exams, and I am really 
>>> scared that I am going to fail my class because of a lack of
> accommodations.
>>> 
>>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write 
>>> out my answers for the short answer questions that are going to be 
>>> on my exam? My college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities 
>>> office to provide and approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, 
>>> if I talk to my professor, she will most likely tell me that I would 
>>> need to talk to the disabilities office in order to get any 
>>> accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities office does not 
>>> appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like I am 
>>> just caught up in some
>> bureaucratic mess.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities 
>>> office provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work 
>>> for me when answering short answer questions on exams because I find 
>>> it rather difficult to write anything longer than a couple of words 
>>> by dictating it to someone else to write down for me. So the best 
>>> accommodation for me in this situation is to use a computer since I 
>>> do not know Braille very well. But since I do not have my own 
>>> computer that I can take to class, and the college does not appear 
>>> to know how to properly maintain the computers on campus that have 
>>> JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to do for 
>>> my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be 
>>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>> 
>>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get 
>>> frustrated when I see other blind students get pretty much 
>>> everything handed to them from their vocational rehabilitation 
>>> agency. Not everyone gets privilege of receiving services from a 
>>> vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone has the privilege 
>>> of having others help them advocate to receive services from the 
>>> vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it 
>>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited 
>>> amount of resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages 
>>> to the email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really 
>>> frustrated by life right now, and I am really struggling in trying 
>>> to figure out what to do. It seems to me like nothing in my life 
>>> ever works out, and that I can never really get the support I need 
>>> from others when I need it. The NFB has never really been there for 
>>> me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will be able to receive 
>>> any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would at least 
>>> give it a
>> try.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 06:36:28 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:36:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Jamie,
That's a good idea, about the recorder built into windows.
I was thinking that if I were in her shoes without jaws and the ability to 
write my answers in hard copy braille, I'd do the exam orally.
This poses some challenges when it comes to writing essays or even short 
answers longer than a few sentences, but it can be done or tried.
You have to problem solve is right.
Elizabeth will have to sit down with the professor and think of a sollution 
that might work for herto get through the class.
I think its better to try something and have a bad outcome  than not do 
anything.

I know oral exams are harder especially if its short answer. I'm guessing 
this defensive behavior stems from fear of it not working or failing.
I remember taking my intro to social sciences class with a reader. The 
format was short answer.  This required a few words but often it required a 
few sentences.
I remember the struggles of getting my thoughts together and dictating. I 
would lose my thoughts easily.
Sometimes I spoke a few sentences, and the scribe read them back and we had 
to erase a sentence as it did not make sense.
Dictating also was challenging because even though I tried to speak slowly, 
sometimes my scribes would say slow down or repeat that.
I'm not sure why I did not take it via computer. I think I went the reader 
route because I thought it would take longer with jaws and I'd understand 
the questions better with a human reader.
All this is just a personal illustration to say I know the challenges of 
oral exams where you have to speak answers.
I could manage multiple choice exams much better with a reader/scribe.
But, exams where you have short answers posed more challenges.

I do hope Elizabeth hangs in there and does something that works for her.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Jamie Principato via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:18 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Jamie Principato
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Ok. Why are you getting defensive and shooting people down for offering you 
suggestions? Isn't that what you asked for? Be an active part of the problem 
solving process. Help us understand your strengths and weaknesses better so 
we can offer more ideas. Another is to talk to your professor about an oral 
exam, either on a recording evict or in her office. Yet another is to have 
your scribe simply start the audio recorder that is built into windows for 
you so you can record your answers, then stop it while you think about the 
next question or when ever you're finished. Then you just save that file for 
your teacher. You're probably going to accuse me of assuming your disability 
services office would do that. But instead, why not ask them first of they 
will.

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work 
> for
> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
> reader.
>
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly 
> Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Evening, List,
>
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a
>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and
>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the
>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Jamie,
>>>
>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape
>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
> much of anything.
>>>
>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I
>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>> how to use a
>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>>
>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even
>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
> email list.
>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend
>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>> definitely not what
>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB
>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>>
>>> Elizabeth.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>> Advice
>>>
>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you
>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help
>>> with
>> that. It's
>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until
>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas
>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello All,,
>>>>
>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it
>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is
>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>>
>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I
>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream
>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a
>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>>
>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would
>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be
>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> accommodation.
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>>> Advice
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from
>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living
>>>> the life
>>> y want.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>>>>> really
>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to
>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
>>>>> work for
>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used
>>>>> it
>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I
>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
>>>>> vocational
>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not
>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really
>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a
>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have
>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to
>>>> be able to
>>> do before my accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>>>>> have
>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just
>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
> accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 30 07:03:55 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 02:03:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] new vr stream
Message-ID: <2418E1091128466B8D7CE50E4C8FE0B9@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I have the older vr stream and the vr stratus.
I was considering the new vr stream which is wireless enabled to the internet to download books and stream music.
I would get it when I could afford it or get it for a present.

If you have the newer model which has wifi and is smaller than the older model, how do you like it?
How is the audio quality? Is it better than the old one?
Has the recording features improved? Can you record in mp3? I thought I read you could.
How long is the battery life? How big of an sd card can it take?

Thanks.

Ashley

From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Jan 30 14:42:36 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:42:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
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I did too.
I got to the point by the end of high school where I liked math. I did
the best in Geometry (never had time to get to trigonometry).
That is not an option in college sadly because there is not one to
transcribe the work into print.
If I could have done the entire Stats course in braille I would have
probably done a whole lot better.

On 1/29/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you for your message.  When I was in elementary school I
> used the Perkins brailler to write my math problems.  I also used
> a talking calculator and the abacus to count the numbers.
>
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sat Jan 30 14:51:43 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:51:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Elizabeth,
Would you be okay with me emailing you offlist?
I would like to help if possible.
I know what you are going through. I had to take a whole class orally
and it was dreadful.
It was a math-based course; Statistics.
Does your school have a disability services page on their website? If
they do, check it out because if they say they are to provide certain
services they do not, than that needs to be proven to them.
Maybe try contacting the NFB on the national level.
If we knew what your school was, we could try (with your permission of
course) to get a point of view across. Though we are not professionals
in anyway, we are students and know where you are coming from and know
it is a horrible place to be in (Some one clarify if that is even
allowed legally Etc.)
Hope this helps in some way.
You can get through this. Do not give up.

On 1/30/16, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Jamie,
> That's a good idea, about the recorder built into windows.
> I was thinking that if I were in her shoes without jaws and the ability to
> write my answers in hard copy braille, I'd do the exam orally.
> This poses some challenges when it comes to writing essays or even short
> answers longer than a few sentences, but it can be done or tried.
> You have to problem solve is right.
> Elizabeth will have to sit down with the professor and think of a sollution
>
> that might work for herto get through the class.
> I think its better to try something and have a bad outcome  than not do
> anything.
>
> I know oral exams are harder especially if its short answer. I'm guessing
> this defensive behavior stems from fear of it not working or failing.
> I remember taking my intro to social sciences class with a reader. The
> format was short answer.  This required a few words but often it required a
>
> few sentences.
> I remember the struggles of getting my thoughts together and dictating. I
> would lose my thoughts easily.
> Sometimes I spoke a few sentences, and the scribe read them back and we had
>
> to erase a sentence as it did not make sense.
> Dictating also was challenging because even though I tried to speak slowly,
>
> sometimes my scribes would say slow down or repeat that.
> I'm not sure why I did not take it via computer. I think I went the reader
> route because I thought it would take longer with jaws and I'd understand
> the questions better with a human reader.
> All this is just a personal illustration to say I know the challenges of
> oral exams where you have to speak answers.
> I could manage multiple choice exams much better with a reader/scribe.
> But, exams where you have short answers posed more challenges.
>
> I do hope Elizabeth hangs in there and does something that works for her.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jamie Principato via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:18 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Jamie Principato
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>
> Ok. Why are you getting defensive and shooting people down for offering you
>
> suggestions? Isn't that what you asked for? Be an active part of the problem
>
> solving process. Help us understand your strengths and weaknesses better so
>
> we can offer more ideas. Another is to talk to your professor about an oral
>
> exam, either on a recording evict or in her office. Yet another is to have
> your scribe simply start the audio recorder that is built into windows for
> you so you can record your answers, then stop it while you think about the
> next question or when ever you're finished. Then you just save that file for
>
> your teacher. You're probably going to accuse me of assuming your disability
>
> services office would do that. But instead, why not ask them first of they
> will.
>
> -Jamie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work
>> for
>> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
>> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a
>> screen
>> reader.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
>> Mihalakis
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
>> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Evening, List,
>>
>> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
>> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class
>> computers
>> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
>> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a
>>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and
>>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the
>>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape
>>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
>> much of anything.
>>>>
>>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I
>>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>>> how to use a
>>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even
>>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
>> email list.
>>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend
>>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>>> definitely not what
>>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB
>>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
>>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>>> Advice
>>>>
>>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you
>>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help
>>>> with
>>> that. It's
>>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until
>>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas
>>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it
>>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is
>>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
>>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
>>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
>>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I
>>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream
>>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a
>>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would
>>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be
>>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
>> accommodation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>>>> Advice
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
>>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
>>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
>>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from
>>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the
>>>>> better.
>>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living
>>>>> the life
>>>> y want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>>>>>> really
>>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
>>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
>>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
>>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to
>>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
>>>>>> work for
>>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
>>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
>>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
>>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used
>>>>>> it
>>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I
>>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
>>>>>> vocational
>>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not
>>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really
>>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a
>>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have
>>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to
>>>>> be able to
>>>> do before my accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>>>>>> have
>>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
>>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just
>>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
>> accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Jan 30 15:30:59 2016
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 09:30:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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I was kinda thinking the same thing as Jamie. We have tried to help and it
is just "i can't" Unfortunately we have no idea why you can't do anything
that was suggested such as meet with head if disabled student, dean of
school etc.It is very hard to empathize. With the situation even though we
want to.

I have felt at times that there was just no solution but in the end there
was.

I was at new employee orientation this week and here is one thing that was
said. Do not just ask for help by saying I don't understand or I can't do
it but instead say this is the problem I am having, I have tried x, y and
z. Can you suggest one thing I can try. Then actually try what was
suggested. They said the difference in the two approaches is whether you
are viewed as someone who has a victum mentality and a pain to someone
people want to help and respect.

just my 2 cents for what it is worth


On Friday, January 29, 2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Ok. Why are you getting defensive and shooting people down for offering
> you suggestions? Isn't that what you asked for? Be an active part of the
> problem solving process. Help us understand your strengths and weaknesses
> better so we can offer more ideas. Another is to talk to your professor
> about an oral exam, either on a recording evict or in her office. Yet
> another is to have your scribe simply start the audio recorder that is
> built into windows for you so you can record your answers, then stop it
> while you think about the next question or when ever you're finished. Then
> you just save that file for your teacher. You're probably going to accuse
> me of assuming your disability services office would do that. But instead,
> why not ask them first of they will.
>
> -Jamie
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work
> for
> > all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
> > cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a
> screen
> > reader.
> >
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> > via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>;
> > National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net <javascript:;>>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> >
> > Evening, List,
> >
> > That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
> > writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class
> computers
> > in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> > CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
> >> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a
> >> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and
> >> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the
> >> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Jamie,
> >>>
> >>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape
> >>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
> > much of anything.
> >>>
> >>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I
> >>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
> >> how to use a
> >>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
> >>>
> >>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even
> >>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
> > email list.
> >>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend
> >>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
> >> definitely not what
> >>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB
> >>> is for everyone else besides me.
> >>>
> >>> Elizabeth.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>] On
> Behalf Of Jamie
> >>> Principato via nabs-l
> >>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
> >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> >>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> >>> Advice
> >>>
> >>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you
> >>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help
> >>> with
> >> that. It's
> >>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until
> >>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas
> >>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello All,,
> >>>>
> >>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it
> >>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is
> >>>> going to change this for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
> >>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
> >>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
> >>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I
> >>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream
> >>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a
> >>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
> >>>>
> >>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
> >>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would
> >>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be
> >>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> > accommodation.
> >>>>
> >>>> Elizabeth
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com <javascript:;>]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>>
> >>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com <javascript:;>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
> >>>> Advice
> >>>>
> >>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
> >>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
> >>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
> >>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from
> >>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the
> better.
> >>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living
> >>>> the life
> >>> y want.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
> >>>>> really
> >>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
> >>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
> >>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
> >>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to
> >>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
> >>>>> work for
> >>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
> >>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
> >>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
> >>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used
> >>>>> it
> >>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I
> >>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
> >>>>> vocational
> >>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not
> >>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really
> >>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a
> >>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have
> >>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to
> >>>> be able to
> >>> do before my accident.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
> >>>>> have
> >>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
> >>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just
> >>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
> > accident.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Elizabeth
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 17:25:47 2016
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:25:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
Message-ID: <C1938514-34BF-46F6-AC3D-D39132469C71@gmail.com>

Hi,
For those of you who use uber, do you ever ask the driver to go into a new building with you? Wouldn't it be great if you could also tip with the app?
Amanda

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 19:11:37 2016
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:11:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reintroducing myself to the list
Message-ID: <56ad0af2.0789810a.f8ef5.3fdf@mx.google.com>

Hi Laurel welcome back to the Nabs list.  My name is Roanna 
Bacchus.  I am a totally blind college student.  I am earning my 
Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies at UCF.  My minor 
is in the field of Mass Communications.


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sat Jan 30 19:13:32 2016
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:13:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Self-Advocacy Toolkit
Message-ID: <D1ED3C64-E316-4255-B2C0-99F1E1B45A73@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hello NABS, 

I’m happy to share that the NFB’s Self-Advocacy in Higher Education Toolkit, Version 1.0, is now live:https://nfb.org/self-advocacy-higher-education. 

There's all kinds of good stuff in there. Everything from selecting colleges, high stakes testing, your legal rights, etc.

President Amy Ruell of Massachusetts shared it with our Commission for the blind after we asked him what students were told when they called in with accessibility issues. They indicated that they didn't have any set policy or guidance in place. Now they have agreed to circulate this to students. 

This may be something worth replicating in other states. If you are interested, talk to your affiliate president about it. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 19:18:31 2016
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:18:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <C1938514-34BF-46F6-AC3D-D39132469C71@gmail.com>
References: <C1938514-34BF-46F6-AC3D-D39132469C71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D3B29366-4D34-47CA-A0EC-E50FA3B7305B@gmail.com>

Amanda and all,

Yes, I believe that they are working on a way to tip with the app. I've never really tried to have them go into a new building with me. To me, that's not what therefore.

Ben

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 10:25, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> For those of you who use uber, do you ever ask the driver to go into a new building with you? Wouldn't it be great if you could also tip with the app?
> Amanda
> _______________________________________________
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From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 19:46:27 2016
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:46:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <C1938514-34BF-46F6-AC3D-D39132469C71@gmail.com>
References: <C1938514-34BF-46F6-AC3D-D39132469C71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=h+ui1S8uhziO5snpShZ3ab7TGO9eRJRZ4rjHABNr1Brb6uw@mail.gmail.com>

The driver's job is to drive, not guide. It's fine to ask to be
dropped off at the door instead of in a parking lot or across the
street. And if you're really in a bind, it's okay to occasionally ask
for help finding the entrance. Tip in cash if you need this extra
assistance. Anything more is inappropriate.


On 1/30/16, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> For those of you who use uber, do you ever ask the driver to go into a new
> building with you? Wouldn't it be great if you could also tip with the app?
> Amanda
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From tonysohl at samobile.net  Sat Jan 30 19:46:38 2016
From: tonysohl at samobile.net (Tony Sohl)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 14:46:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
Message-ID: <27aab596.b65b.414e.898d.5cdaa86f636a@samobile.net>

Hi folks, as far as we are aware the app is somewhat accessible but I 
to9ok it off my phone and whe I tried to0 work iwith it it's somwhat 
accessible, but if other people have had good experiences then let me 
know. If not then we need to write the developers of these apps and 
encourage them to make it accessible. ophone

-- 
Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and 
petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the 
peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your 
hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus." (NIV)


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 21:00:21 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 13:00:21 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
In-Reply-To: <CAHqxUetytHdrZwBOMgXAZFvOb5sGVZSOJBzdjLbDsupCa3u9LQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <56abae76.c2e20d0a.d516c.6b44@mx.google.com>
	<CAHqxUetytHdrZwBOMgXAZFvOb5sGVZSOJBzdjLbDsupCa3u9LQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCBO-BumT3jyqiErZehnRfRRN5-gt0ibGKbU0aOiLkWVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Syed,
I might suggest joining the BlindMath list on NFBNet to get more
answers about LATX and Nemeth resources, since those folks will be
more knowledgeable about higher math content.
I haven't taken a lot of math but have taken a lot of statistics which
is similar (but not the same) as math. For me personally, if a Braille
textbook wasn't available, my next favorite solution was to listen to
a text in human-recorded audio through Learning Ally (or hire a human
reader) and then take copious notes in Braille while I was listening
to the problems and equations being read aloud. I used the same method
to handle lectures and problems read orally in-class. If you decide to
do this, you can take notes using any form of Braille you are
comfortable with-slate, Perkins or refreshable Braille device (or a
combination). Also, since they're your notes, Nemeth code doesn't
matter. You can write your notes in contracted Braille, computer
Braille, or any combination of symbols that make sense to you when you
read them back. You can then type your problems out in a Word document
on the computer or on a Braille device.
Sometimes if something wasn't clear, I would ask my prof or TA to
email me a formula that was typed out in words in case JAWS couldn't
read the equations and symbols. For example "2 plus 2 equals 4X". They
were generally happy to do this and it didn't take much of their time.
I hope this is a start and the Blind Math folks should be able to give
you more details about how to read and write equations in LATX.

Best, Arielle

On 1/30/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I did too.
> I got to the point by the end of high school where I liked math. I did
> the best in Geometry (never had time to get to trigonometry).
> That is not an option in college sadly because there is not one to
> transcribe the work into print.
> If I could have done the entire Stats course in braille I would have
> probably done a whole lot better.
>
> On 1/29/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you for your message.  When I was in elementary school I
>> used the Perkins brailler to write my math problems.  I also used
>> a talking calculator and the abacus to count the numbers.
>>
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 21:07:36 2016
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:07:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
Message-ID: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
Jaws can do more than voiceover.

So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
internet browsing.

I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
more "serious" stuff.

I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated!


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Jan 30 21:18:15 2016
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:18:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
In-Reply-To: <27aab596.b65b.414e.898d.5cdaa86f636a@samobile.net>
References: <27aab596.b65b.414e.898d.5cdaa86f636a@samobile.net>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY65Kp-HdwHiPUd-j2=0u=gDmgypxy5q1EPcmdLZQbwYgg@mail.gmail.com>

I've never used this service, but I used something similar called "Dyle A
Ride" in the small town where I grew up. They would park at the door if I
asked, but I never asked them to go into a building with me. Maybe they
would have done it. But the way I see it, if you're going into a new
building, you're probably going to incounter new people, whether it's at a
doctor's or a place where you're trying to get a job, or something else,
those people will see you being helped by the driver. Personally, I don't
like for this to be the first impression people have of me. If I screw up
trying to find something in a new building, then I get help or directions
from someone in the building.

That being said, I know that going into new buildings can provoke anxiety
for many people, so I totally understand why you might want to ask the
driver to help you. They probably won't do it, but hey, it's worth a try if
you feel that's what you need!

On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Tony Sohl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi folks, as far as we are aware the app is somewhat accessible but I
> to9ok it off my phone and whe I tried to0 work iwith it it's somwhat
> accessible, but if other people have had good experiences then let me know.
> If not then we need to write the developers of these apps and encourage
> them to make it accessible. ophone
>
> --
> Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and
> petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of
> God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your
> minds in Christ Jesus." (NIV)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>

From toriclark732 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 30 21:23:49 2016
From: toriclark732 at yahoo.com (Tori Clark)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:23:49 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
In-Reply-To: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>

I know voiceover can't read PDFs. At least I don't think. I could be wrong. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
> However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
> change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
> However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
> Jaws can do more than voiceover.
> 
> So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
> can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
> advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
> internet browsing.
> 
> I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
> do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
> more "serious" stuff.
> 
> I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.
> 
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 21:42:25 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 16:42:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
In-Reply-To: <78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>
References: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9F2AB655-8BAE-4D9D-A541-F9BB21F58B7E@gmail.com>

Hi I have a Mac computer. yeah, voiceover works very well. yes, it read PDF with something call the Preview I have rated it, but it reads it, but for some reason when I am tryin to read word by word or character by character it does not let me. But with word format or RTF documents works great! In order to read them I use texted it or pages. Some of the commands are different, but it is easy t to manage. I'm still exploring for papers. I have not write a paper yet, but I need to  play and try to find out how to do fonts and so on. You can use Safari and Google on Safari in order to find  your sources. You can even use the Google app on your phone to search things! For emails is different, but you can have it set  on your email account or use Safari to go to your email on your site.  Hope this helps a little bit. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Tori Clark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I know voiceover can't read PDFs. At least I don't think. I could be wrong. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
>> However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
>> change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
>> However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
>> Jaws can do more than voiceover.
>> 
>> So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
>> can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
>> advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
>> internet browsing.
>> 
>> I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
>> do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
>> more "serious" stuff.
>> 
>> I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.
>> 
>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
>> 
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From syedrizvinfb at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 21:50:47 2016
From: syedrizvinfb at gmail.com (Syed Rizvi)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:50:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Uber
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hi, so i personally do net have the driver come in with me, what i do though i ask for explicit directions to the door. i understand that new buildings can be. Intimidating. So what I do is that I walk through the front door, I step to the side so I am not in the way of human traffic and I analyze my surroundings, I feel where it seems open and where it seems closed with air currents, and I listen to people talking and see what direction they are in, and then I will approach somebody and Plyely ask them for detailed instructions to where I am trying to go in the building, I use my cane in a pencil grip and really focus hard on where it sounds open and where it sounds closed, once you start doing it more often you will get the hang of it, something that I do in training is that I go to new businesses and I try to find certain office numbers, and also I travel around busy molls, feel free to contact me off the list with more questions in regards to travel

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 11:25 AM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> For those of you who use uber, do you ever ask the driver to go into a new building with you? Wouldn't it be great if you could also tip with the app?
> Amanda
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sat Jan 30 22:12:20 2016
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 17:12:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
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Hello everyone,
I am a Macintosh and windows trainer, and no screen reader is better than the other. There are some things at voiceover does better than jaws, but then there's something that draws is better than Voiceovdr. If anyone is looking for high quality and affordable training, feel free to email me privately, or called my American phone number to discuss.

Matt Dierckens
Certified Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
U.S. Phone: 5734011018
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:42, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi I have a Mac computer. yeah, voiceover works very well. yes, it read PDF with something call the Preview I have rated it, but it reads it, but for some reason when I am tryin to read word by word or character by character it does not let me. But with word format or RTF documents works great! In order to read them I use texted it or pages. Some of the commands are different, but it is easy t to manage. I'm still exploring for papers. I have not write a paper yet, but I need to  play and try to find out how to do fonts and so on. You can use Safari and Google on Safari in order to find  your sources. You can even use the Google app on your phone to search things! For emails is different, but you can have it set  on your email account or use Safari to go to your email on your site.  Hope this helps a little bit. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Tori Clark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I know voiceover can't read PDFs. At least I don't think. I could be wrong. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
>>> However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
>>> change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
>>> However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
>>> Jaws can do more than voiceover.
>>> 
>>> So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
>>> can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
>>> advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
>>> internet browsing.
>>> 
>>> I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
>>> do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
>>> more "serious" stuff.
>>> 
>>> I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.
>>> 
>>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 01:18:34 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:18:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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If you wanted to use NVDA, you can download other voices including the eloquence synthesizer, that comes with draws let me know if you would like me to give you the link to that website

Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:23 PM, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> You keep saying that you can't understand the voice that comes with NVDA. I agree that it's irritating, and not ideal for most folks, but there might be a way that you can make it more tolerable. In the preferences submenu, inside the NVDA menu, you'll find a choice labelled voice settings. Once you press enter on that, tab until you hear an option called variant. You can then use your up and down arrow keys to scroll through all the choices that are available. They're not perfect, but there are a few that might be a little easier for you to listen to.
> 
> I understand that it might be difficult for you to get to the menu if you can't understand the voice at all, so follow these directions and see if they work for you:
> 
> 1. Once NVDA has been launched, press insert N.
> 2. Once the menu has opened, press the letter p for preferences.
> 3. The preferences submenu will open. Now press v for voice settings, and press enter.
> 4. Tab once to land inside the variant combo box, and arrow through the selections.
> 5. If there are other areas of the voice you'd like to customize, keep tabbing through the dialog, where you will see settings to adjust the rate, pitch of the voice, etc.
> 6. Once you've got the voice set up to your liking, tab to the OK button and press enter.
> 
> I hope this helps, and if you need any technical help, I would be more than happy to assist you off list.
> 
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>> On 1/29/2016 5:54 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>> 
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though no one
>> is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA, and
>> no amount of using this program is not going to change my ability to
>> understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>> 
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it in
>> class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my life I do
>> not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to read and
>> understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it at the same
>> rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply not going to
>> happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if this is the only
>> answer.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
>> Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>> 
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't help
>> for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college though,
>> learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley course or
>> whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be something you
>> have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, but you have to
>> actually learn the skills you need to do college assignments.  One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the class
>> in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next test, and
>> maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later if you explained
>> it to them or maybe they would let you take it orally.  I understand not
>> wanting to learn new technology, I really do.  I hate it, and I've never
>> been able to learn Windows and a screen reader well enough to function
>> effectively, which is why I use my Braillenote for everything.  I think you
>> might be surprised at how easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work
>> though.  Androids are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's
>> are fairly intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to type
>> your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to your professor
>> or have your scribe write it out onto the test or e-mail your answers to DSS
>> and have them print them.  Learning how to do that much really wouldn't be
>> very difficult--even someone who has as hard a time with technology as I do
>> can manage it.  I really hope you can find a way to do well on your exam!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
>> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
>> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
>> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
>> situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
>> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
>> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
>> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
>> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
>> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
>> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have the
>> money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
>> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
>> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Sun Jan 31 01:42:26 2016
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 18:42:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
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Hello Sofia,

I am a Mac user and love everything about the Mac operating system except for one thing, word processing. Unfortunately the iWork suite which is Apples version of Microsoft Office is not that great when it comes to word processing especially if you are use to Microsoft Word. If there is anything Microsoft got right it is their Office suite of tools. 

I will say this though, Microsoft has finally released a version of Office which is accessible on the Mac using Voiceover. Even though this is the case I still have to say it is not the same as using it on a Windows machine using Jaws. Jaws has had a running agreement with Microsoft for years which has allowed them to develop their tools with the newest releases of Office so you will find so much more accessibility using these things together. 

Here is my final summary, If you are looking for a machine that is predominately going to be used to handle word processing tasks, research, and/or simple computer functions then a Windows machine running either Jaws, Window Eyes, or NVDA might be your best bet due to the reasons I stated above.

On the other hand if you are looking for a computer capable of giving you slightly less advanced word processing capability, research, access to millions of applications in the app store, easy to access interface, and an over all positive experience a Mac might be right up your ally. Now let me clarify something here, a Mac can handle advanced word processing its just not as easy and well documented as it is using Jaws on a Windows machine. I use Word everyday on my Mac but I mostly write it in Text Editor first then move it to Word for formatting and sharing so it is doable. I hope this helps out a little bit. 

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
QwikEyes CEO



> On Jan 30, 2016, at 2:07 PM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
> However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
> change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
> However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
> Jaws can do more than voiceover.
> 
> So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
> can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
> advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
> internet browsing.
> 
> I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
> do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
> more "serious" stuff.
> 
> I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.
> 
> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
> 
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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 01:42:46 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 20:42:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth, you do not need to pay for the eloquence synthesizer for NVDA there are two free versions

Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to
> understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA
> and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. And I do
> not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.
> 
> So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel worse
> now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.
> 
> It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact that I am
> simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am nothing but a
> failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being such a big deal.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hi,
> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, end
> all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be disgruntled in
> your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you were asking. You
> were asking a question about solutions that you could use in the here and
> now, and several responses did seem to be putting you down for not having
> attended a training center. That's not OK at all.
> 
> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to install
> NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable copy on a
> flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and launch the
> application from there. If you need help doing that, you could either ask
> someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if no one is available
> or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so that you could find the
> flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows below 10, you launch
> Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
> Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using Windows 10
> yet.
> 
> The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and
> Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and
> software!
> Why not check us out at:
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> Or like us on Facebook:
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> 
>> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello Karl,
>> 
>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
>> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
>> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
>> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
>> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
>> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA. 
>> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able to 
>> put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply figure 
>> out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
>> on them then I would not be having this problem.
>> 
>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
>> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
>> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help 
>> me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this 
>> point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough to 
>> use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to be 
>> good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
>> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
>> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Elizabeth,
>> 
>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you 
>> don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
>> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
>> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if 
>> you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>> 
>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
>> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
>> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
>> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
>> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't either 
>> or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile to 
>> Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
>> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
>> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
>> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
>> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
> contractions is part of your problem.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Hello Karl,
>> 
>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
>> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
>> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
>> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>> 
>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
>> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
>> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
>> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
>> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
>> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
>> this is the only answer.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Dear Elizabeth,
>> 
>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
>> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
>> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
>> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
>> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, 
>> but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college
> assignments.
>> One thing you
>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
>> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do
> though.
>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
>> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
>> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
>> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
>> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen 
>> reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my 
>> Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
>> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
>> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
>> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to 
>> type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
>> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
>> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
>> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as
> hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you can
> find a way to do well on your exam!
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>> Advice
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
>> is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
>> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
> it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
>> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
>> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
> do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Sun Jan 31 02:00:40 2016
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 19:00:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
Message-ID: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>

Hello NABS,

I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using.

As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers.

1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ <https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/> 

Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating system Windows or Mac or Linux.

2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser.
http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/> 

3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. 

4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome VOX
http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html <http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html> 

I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. 

I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility.

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
QwikEyes CEO




From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 02:12:21 2016
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:12:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
In-Reply-To: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
References: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <A5D94194-5CEE-4C45-BFA7-B2AF65816A05@gmail.com>

While I appreciate the information, it is not necessary to learn to use this separate, Google specific screen reader. JAWS and NVDA work alright these days with Google applications and the Chrome web browser. Even Google has realized the futility of expecting screen reader users to learn ChromeVOX just to access their specific applications.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello NABS,
> 
> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using.
> 
> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers.
> 
> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ <https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/> 
> 
> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating system Windows or Mac or Linux.
> 
> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser.
> http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/> 
> 
> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. 
> 
> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome VOX
> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html <http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html> 
> 
> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. 
> 
> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility.
> 
> Go Devils!
> 
> Bryan Duarte
> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
> QwikEyes CEO
> 
> 
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 02:15:42 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:15:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
In-Reply-To: <AE05596D-19A0-4A51-B8A1-A918C56FEF0E@me.com>
References: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>
	<9F2AB655-8BAE-4D9D-A541-F9BB21F58B7E@gmail.com>
	<AE05596D-19A0-4A51-B8A1-A918C56FEF0E@me.com>
Message-ID: <56C8DEF6-551D-448D-B0FE-265E66DA0CE6@gmail.com>

Hi Matt. This is Helga! How are you? Can you write me off list. I want to talk to you about getting some classes with you. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> I am a Macintosh and windows trainer, and no screen reader is better than the other. There are some things at voiceover does better than jaws, but then there's something that draws is better than Voiceovdr. If anyone is looking for high quality and affordable training, feel free to email me privately, or called my American phone number to discuss.
> 
> Matt Dierckens
> Certified Assistive technology specialist
> Macintosh trainer
> Canadian phone: 5199629140
> U.S. Phone: 5734011018
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:42, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I have a Mac computer. yeah, voiceover works very well. yes, it read PDF with something call the Preview I have rated it, but it reads it, but for some reason when I am tryin to read word by word or character by character it does not let me. But with word format or RTF documents works great! In order to read them I use texted it or pages. Some of the commands are different, but it is easy t to manage. I'm still exploring for papers. I have not write a paper yet, but I need to  play and try to find out how to do fonts and so on. You can use Safari and Google on Safari in order to find  your sources. You can even use the Google app on your phone to search things! For emails is different, but you can have it set  on your email account or use Safari to go to your email on your site.  Hope this helps a little bit. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Tori Clark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know voiceover can't read PDFs. At least I don't think. I could be wrong. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> So, I am a college student currently using jaws 15 and Windows 8.1.
>>>> However, I am seriously considering switching to a mac when I have to
>>>> change my laptop so I don't have to buy the extra screen reader again.
>>>> However, I've been discouraged from doing so by people who claim that
>>>> Jaws can do more than voiceover.
>>>> 
>>>> So, for those who have experience with both, is there anything you
>>>> can't do with voiceover that you can do with Jaws? I have pretty
>>>> advanced computer skills and do a lot of document formatting and
>>>> internet browsing.
>>>> 
>>>> I use voiceover with my iphone, but I don't have to format papers and
>>>> do advanced browsing online so I don't know how voiceover works for
>>>> more "serious" stuff.
>>>> 
>>>> I tried to look this up online first but didn't get anything.
>>>> 
>>>> Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan 31 02:19:24 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:19:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
In-Reply-To: <A5D94194-5CEE-4C45-BFA7-B2AF65816A05@gmail.com>
References: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
	<A5D94194-5CEE-4C45-BFA7-B2AF65816A05@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8DBDFB71-867C-47FE-8F8B-F721B1A4517C@houghton.edu>

Yes, JAWS does work very well with Google products. I have been using it quite a bit lately.
There are many options now so everybody can have their own preference which is nice.

--Christina

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 21:12, Brice Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> While I appreciate the information, it is not necessary to learn to use this separate, Google specific screen reader. JAWS and NVDA work alright these days with Google applications and the Chrome web browser. Even Google has realized the futility of expecting screen reader users to learn ChromeVOX just to access their specific applications.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello NABS,
>> 
>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question. Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system you are using.
>> 
>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of sighted peers.
>> 
>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/ <https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/> 
>> 
>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating system Windows or Mac or Linux.
>> 
>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser.
>> http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/> 
>> 
>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab and customize the voice and you are off and running. 
>> 
>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome VOX
>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html <http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html> 
>> 
>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and off. 
>> 
>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency of accessibility.
>> 
>> Go Devils!
>> 
>> Bryan Duarte
>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
>> QwikEyes CEO
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 02:21:06 2016
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:21:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <001A9568-C03B-4705-847A-43A4EB585EFA@gmail.com>
References: <56abf2be.557b810a.bac94.ffff91e6@mx.google.com>
	<COL401-EAS3501FDAA1D0D8B23B450EBABADB0@phx.gbl>
	<56ABFA75.1000706@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1402CC8F74090EBF0B9982CBADC0@phx.gbl>
	<001A9568-C03B-4705-847A-43A4EB585EFA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C42EB2F-7F7E-411F-85C6-030EB28E3A48@gmail.com>

Illegally there are free versions. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Simon Bonenfant via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elizabeth, you do not need to pay for the eloquence synthesizer for NVDA there are two free versions
> 
> Sent from my iPod
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 7:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I honestly do not understand why it seems to me that no one is able to
>> understand the fact that I cannot understand the voice that comes with NVDA
>> and that this will most likely not change after trying to use it. And I do
>> not have the money to pay for the voice that JAWS uses.
>> 
>> So if you do not mind, I would like for this discussion to end. I feel worse
>> now than I did before I posted my question to the email list.
>> 
>> It seems to me like the best thing for me to do is accept the fact that I am
>> simply not the same person I was before my accident. I am nothing but a
>> failure who can barely do anything anymore without it being such a big deal.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Desiree Oudinot
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:49 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Desiree Oudinot <turtlepower17 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I too am sorry that NFB training centers were suggested as the be all, end
>> all. I'm going to catch flack for saying so, but I would be disgruntled in
>> your situation, too, because that wasn't the question you were asking. You
>> were asking a question about solutions that you could use in the here and
>> now, and several responses did seem to be putting you down for not having
>> attended a training center. That's not OK at all.
>> 
>> To answer one of the points you raised, though, you don't need to install
>> NVDA on a computer to use it. You only need to put a portable copy on a
>> flash drive, plug said flash drive into the computer, and launch the
>> application from there. If you need help doing that, you could either ask
>> someone who happens to be in the testing center, or, if no one is available
>> or willing to help, you could launch Narrator so that you could find the
>> flash drive and use NVDA. On versions of Windows below 10, you launch
>> Narrator by pressing windows u, and in Windows 10, it's Windows enter.
>> Although I seriously doubt that a college testing center is using Windows 10
>> yet.
>> 
>> The Blind Access team is proud to present podcasts covering the Windows and
>> Android operating systems, as well as demonstrations of accessible games and
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>> Why not check us out at:
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>>> On 1/29/2016 6:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hello Karl,
>>> 
>>> It is apparent that you are not listing to me. I never said I was 
>>> against learning Braille or using technology. I already know that I 
>>> cannot understand the default voice for NVDA because I have heard it 
>>> before and could not understand it. I also have another disability 
>>> which I am not comfortable disclosing publically that makes it more 
>>> difficult for me to be able to understand the default voice of NVDA. 
>>> And I do not have any administrative rights as a student to be able to 
>>> put programs on the campus computers. If they could just simply figure 
>>> out a way to properly maintain the computers on campus that have JAWS 
>>> on them then I would not be having this problem.
>>> 
>>> I truly regret posting my question to the NABS email list. I honestly 
>>> did not need people shoving down NFB training centers and braille as 
>>> the only solutions to my problem. This does absolutely nothing to help 
>>> me and it only makes me feel worse about things. I know that at this 
>>> point in my life I will not be able to learn Braille well enough to 
>>> use it as my primary mode of communication. If I am never going to be 
>>> good enough succeed as a blind person with other disabilities then 
>>> perhaps I should not try at all and simply consider myself to be a 
>>> failure who is never going to be able to make anything out of my life.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:16 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth,
>>> 
>>> First of all, NVDA can work with different voices.  Second of all, you 
>>> don't know if you can understand the default voice or not unless 
>>> you've worked with it a while to acclimatize yourself.
>>> You could of course use another screen reader, but the other's aren't 
>>> Free like NVDA.  You might even be able to put Jaws on a thumbdrive if 
>>> you have a licence already, you'd have to check with the manufacturer.
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure what you think you're going to do if you don't want to 
>>> learn Braille and you don't want to use technology.  Those are the 
>>> ways blind people have of being literate.  At some point, you have to 
>>> use one if you're going to go to school or work.  Maybe there are 
>>> other choices, but I don't know of them, and I assume you don't either 
>>> or you wouldn't be asking.  I don't know why you're so hostile to 
>>> Braille, but it's worth pointing out that you don't have to use 
>>> Braille as efficiently as a sighted person uses print in order to 
>>> organize your thoughts for an essay and then be able to read it to 
>>> your scribe instead of doing it all in your head.  We're not talking 
>>> about you reading Braille other people have produced hear, so you 
>>> could write in uncontracted braille if you wanted and memorizing the
>> contractions is part of your problem.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Karl
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:54:02 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> Hello Karl,
>>> 
>>> I am really getting frustrated by the fact that it appears as though 
>>> no one is listening to me. I cannot understand the voice that comes 
>>> with NVDA, and no amount of using this program is not going to change 
>>> my ability to understand the voice that comes with NVDA.
>>> 
>>> And if I really need to learn Braille to the point that I can use it 
>>> in class or for tests, then I am royally screwed. At this point in my 
>>> life I do not believe I could learn braille well enough to be able to 
>>> read and understand it enough to be able to read it and understand it 
>>> at the same rate and level as someone who reads print. This is simply 
>>> not going to happen, so please stop shoving this down my throat as if 
>>> this is the only answer.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:36 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> Dear Elizabeth,
>>> 
>>> You're right that many of the suggestions people have given you won't 
>>> help for your test in two weeks.  If you want to continue college 
>>> though, learning braille whether from a training center or a Hadley 
>>> course or whatever or learning how to use something like NVDA will be 
>>> something you have to do.  We can't do that for you.  I wish we could, 
>>> but you have to actually learn the skills you need to do college
>> assignments.
>>> One thing you
>>> could do is take an incomplete get the skills you need and finish the 
>>> class in the fall.  I'm assuming that's more drastic than you want to do
>> though.
>>> You could work on trying to learn something like NVDA for the next 
>>> test, and maybe your professor would allow you to take this one later 
>>> if you explained it to them or maybe they would let you take it 
>>> orally.  I understand not wanting to learn new technology, I really 
>>> do.  I hate it, and I've never been able to learn Windows and a screen 
>>> reader well enough to function effectively, which is why I use my 
>>> Braillenote for everything.  I think you might be surprised at how 
>>> easy it is to learn how to make a smartphone work though.  Androids 
>>> are known for taking some time to figure out, but Iphone's are fairly 
>>> intuitive.  When I got mine I hated it for a day or two because I 
>>> couldn't make it work, but then it clicked.  All you really need is to 
>>> type your answers into the body of an e-mail and either send it to 
>>> your professor or have your scribe write it out onto the test or 
>>> e-mail your answers to DSS and have them print them.  Learning how to 
>>> do that much really wouldn't be very difficult--even someone who has as
>> hard a time with technology as I do can manage it.  I really hope you can
>> find a way to do well on your exam!
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Karl
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:48 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>> really hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do 
>>> is tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to be 
>>> able to use them in a testing situation.
>>> 
>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work 
>>> for me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks.
>>> I am already trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I 
>>> am not looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on
>> it.
>>> 
>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it 
>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am 
>>> not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational 
>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do 
>>> much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been 
>>> willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to 
>>> pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have the 
>>> support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to be able to
>> do before my accident.
>>> 
>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>> have the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn 
>>> that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 02:57:15 2016
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 21:57:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College Math
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I graduated from LCB last June and in my freshman year, studying
business with a marketing concentration at Messiah College in PA. I am
also new to taking math in college, but I have some suggestions. I
don't know what college you plan to attend, but you may want to
consider taking a class or two as a directed study with the professor.
This is what I'm doing for my applied math for management class. It
may not be an option for you or for most blind student, but it was
offered to me by disability services, and it's something that they've
done for other students before. Definitely try to meet with the
professor or teacher's assistant a couple times before the class
starts. Show and explain all of the materials that you use, such as
raised line graph paper on a cork board, the tactile drawing board,
and your Braille notetaker, so he has an understanding of the tools
you use to learn the material. I don't know much about LaTex, but I've
heard that it requires a program called Scientific Notebook that
translates text into the LaTex language. You can always just do your
work on the perkins and either dictate it to a reader or retype it
into your notetaker using Nemeth code and send it to the professor,
which is what I will be doing. Every netetaker is a little different
when it comes to Nemeth, but the BrailleSense U2 will actually
translate it into graphics with everything looking like it normally
would in print. As for readers, try to find one who has taken the
class before and done well or is familiar with the material, so that
they know the terminology and can help explain the content. As for
getting books in Braille, it's a little tricky, but it typically needs
to start months before the class starts. The National Braille Press
can Braille books, but it takes about two weeks per volume, so you'd
need to inquire months in advance. As for me, I got in contact with
someone in my home state who contracts with vocational rehab to
Braille textbooks. She typically Brailles them in order of the
syllabus. I wish I would have been able to get in contact with her
much earlier than I did, but I didn't know that she was available
until just a couple weeks ago. However, she is working as fast as she
can to Braille the first sections. I'm sure every blind college
student handles math classes somewhat differently, depending on the
level of math, major, and career goals, but it can definitely be done.
Dr. Nemeth and Dr. Newel Perry did it back in the 1940's, way before
the existence of the ADA and personal computers, so you can definitely
do it too.

On 1/30/16, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Syed,
> I might suggest joining the BlindMath list on NFBNet to get more
> answers about LATX and Nemeth resources, since those folks will be
> more knowledgeable about higher math content.
> I haven't taken a lot of math but have taken a lot of statistics which
> is similar (but not the same) as math. For me personally, if a Braille
> textbook wasn't available, my next favorite solution was to listen to
> a text in human-recorded audio through Learning Ally (or hire a human
> reader) and then take copious notes in Braille while I was listening
> to the problems and equations being read aloud. I used the same method
> to handle lectures and problems read orally in-class. If you decide to
> do this, you can take notes using any form of Braille you are
> comfortable with-slate, Perkins or refreshable Braille device (or a
> combination). Also, since they're your notes, Nemeth code doesn't
> matter. You can write your notes in contracted Braille, computer
> Braille, or any combination of symbols that make sense to you when you
> read them back. You can then type your problems out in a Word document
> on the computer or on a Braille device.
> Sometimes if something wasn't clear, I would ask my prof or TA to
> email me a formula that was typed out in words in case JAWS couldn't
> read the equations and symbols. For example "2 plus 2 equals 4X". They
> were generally happy to do this and it didn't take much of their time.
> I hope this is a start and the Blind Math folks should be able to give
> you more details about how to read and write equations in LATX.
>
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 1/30/16, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I did too.
>> I got to the point by the end of high school where I liked math. I did
>> the best in Geometry (never had time to get to trigonometry).
>> That is not an option in college sadly because there is not one to
>> transcribe the work into print.
>> If I could have done the entire Stats course in braille I would have
>> probably done a whole lot better.
>>
>> On 1/29/16, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Thank you for your message.  When I was in elementary school I
>>> used the Perkins brailler to write my math problems.  I also used
>>> a talking calculator and the abacus to count the numbers.
>>>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 05:01:03 2016
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 00:01:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
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Bryan,
it sounds great. I will try this.
Thanks for putting this together and sharing


2016-01-30 21:19 GMT-05:00, Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Yes, JAWS does work very well with Google products. I have been using it
> quite a bit lately.
> There are many options now so everybody can have their own preference which
> is nice.
>
> --Christina
>
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 21:12, Brice Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> While I appreciate the information, it is not necessary to learn to use
>> this separate, Google specific screen reader. JAWS and NVDA work alright
>> these days with Google applications and the Chrome web browser. Even
>> Google has realized the futility of expecting screen reader users to learn
>> ChromeVOX just to access their specific applications.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello NABS,
>>>
>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may
>>> not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google
>>> applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this
>>> rhetorical question. Well let me provide you some information which may
>>> or may not surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google
>>> applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system
>>> you are using.
>>>
>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years
>>> that they are building accessibility into their products but when we open
>>> Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac
>>> we are getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is
>>> once again Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the
>>> truth but not telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web
>>> browser which is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google
>>> Chrome as our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it
>>> because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better with
>>> browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still use Internet
>>> Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they have also developed
>>> their own screen reader called Chrome VOX which only runs in Google
>>> Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome but it gives you complete access
>>> to all Google applications which guess what, also run right inside of
>>> Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles
>>> powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of
>>> sighted peers.
>>>
>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
>>> <https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/>
>>>
>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating
>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux.
>>>
>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web
>>> browser.
>>> http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/>
>>>
>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings
>>> tab and customize the voice and you are off and running.
>>>
>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control
>>> Chrome VOX
>>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html
>>> <http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html>
>>>
>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams
>>> and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will
>>> press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I
>>> am using the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume
>>> Voiceover. Just as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are
>>> editing within a Google Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is
>>> convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on and
>>> off.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to
>>> use Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the
>>> inconsistency of accessibility.
>>>
>>> Go Devils!
>>>
>>> Bryan Duarte
>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
>>> QwikEyes CEO
>>>
>>>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 06:14:29 2016
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:14:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hi Elizabeth,
I’m sorry to hear that you are going through such a tough situation. It sounds as though you had a system that worked but now the disability office has fallen down on their end and are not providing what you need. It is true that having multiple tools to accomplish a task is a must but having access to something so basic as a screen reader in the testing center should be a no-brainer. 

Here are some options you might consider: 
1. Continue to advocate with your DSO but at the same time, find out who their boss is and start going up the chain of command with your complaint. Most DSOs issue accommodation letters to students at the beginning of each semester. Do you have one that includes the use of JAWS on tests? That could be very useful in discussions with administration. If you do decide to go up the chain of command, there are several veterans on this list who could help you word emails, find out who to contact, etc. 
2. The oral exam or recorded oral answer routes are probably going to be your next best option after JAWS. Dictating is difficult but recording an answer is somewhat easier, as long as your professor understands that you are not saying word for word what you might have written. I did not realize that the VR stream had its own file format. There are many inexpensive (less than $20) voice recorders you can get at most stores like Wal-Mart or Target. This would do the job. If you are not able to purchase one yourself, perhaps the DSO could be convinced to do so since you only need it because they are failing to provide you JAWS in the testing center. Alternatively, your library on campus may have voice recorders like this that can be checked out. 
3. Use a human scribe. I agree that this is less than ideal, but it might be better than not taking the test at all, at least until you work something else out. 
4. If none of these ideas work, you may need to seriously consider dropping the class, if you are not already past the drop date. It would be  unfortunate if you have to take that route, but I’m not sure why you would continue to pay for a class you can’t have access to. You might even be able to persuade them to fully refund your money since it is the University’s lack of accommodations that seems to be preventing you from success. 

This sounds like an ugly situation and I’m sorry you are having to deal with it. I apologize in advance if these are not the answers you were looking for. Reading through this thread, you have received a variety of advice, in my opinion, some good, some bad, and some irrelevant. It seems clear though that you have not received the kind of support you are looking for. What exactly are you looking for? Do you want someone to help you figure out how to go up the chain of command and what to say? Do you want someone to come with you to visit your DSO office to help you advocate? Those seem like reasonable requests to me. It seems as though there are many people willing to help, offer advice, etc. Don’t shut them out because they can’t read your mind. Clarify your request and ignore  answers if they aren’t helpful (including mine). 

I hope you can get this resolved. 

Best,
Greg

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work for
> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
> reader.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Evening, List,
> 
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a 
>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and 
>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the 
>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jamie,
>>> 
>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape 
>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
> much of anything.
>>> 
>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>> how to use a
>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even 
>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
> email list.
>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend 
>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>> definitely not what
>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB 
>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you 
>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help 
>>> with
>> that. It's
>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until 
>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas 
>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,,
>>>> 
>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is 
>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>> 
>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I 
>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream 
>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a 
>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would 
>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be 
>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> accommodation.
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>>> Advice
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from 
>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living 
>>>> the life
>>> y want.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>>>> really
>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to 
>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
>>>>> work for
>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
>>>>> it
>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
>>>>> vocational
>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really 
>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a 
>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have 
>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to 
>>>> be able to
>>> do before my accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
> accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 07:59:00 2016
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:59:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Hello to Elizabeth and all.  I have read this thread with great
interest.  First, let me say It is very unfortunate that you are
having all these problems taking one test.  Some of the suggestions I
read were one's I would have made myself.  I have taken different
tests with my instructors, and some with a scribe at the testing
center of our college.  It really depended upon what test it was, and
the time my instructor could have with me.  For example in my geometry
class, my professor gave me all the tests except the final exam.  She
would schedule what time she was available she could give me the exam.
Sometimes I had to go to the college in the evenings but that was the
only time my professor was available.  Are you allowed double time for
tests?  I know I was, it took me four hours to take my geometry test,
but I did pass the test.  Don't be afraid to ask for the help you
need.  If you don't ask, then you won't know what kind of help you can
get.  Chin up, and good luck.

On 1/31/16, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I’m sorry to hear that you are going through such a tough situation. It
> sounds as though you had a system that worked but now the disability office
> has fallen down on their end and are not providing what you need. It is true
> that having multiple tools to accomplish a task is a must but having access
> to something so basic as a screen reader in the testing center should be a
> no-brainer.
>
> Here are some options you might consider:
> 1. Continue to advocate with your DSO but at the same time, find out who
> their boss is and start going up the chain of command with your complaint.
> Most DSOs issue accommodation letters to students at the beginning of each
> semester. Do you have one that includes the use of JAWS on tests? That could
> be very useful in discussions with administration. If you do decide to go up
> the chain of command, there are several veterans on this list who could help
> you word emails, find out who to contact, etc.
> 2. The oral exam or recorded oral answer routes are probably going to be
> your next best option after JAWS. Dictating is difficult but recording an
> answer is somewhat easier, as long as your professor understands that you
> are not saying word for word what you might have written. I did not realize
> that the VR stream had its own file format. There are many inexpensive (less
> than $20) voice recorders you can get at most stores like Wal-Mart or
> Target. This would do the job. If you are not able to purchase one yourself,
> perhaps the DSO could be convinced to do so since you only need it because
> they are failing to provide you JAWS in the testing center. Alternatively,
> your library on campus may have voice recorders like this that can be
> checked out.
> 3. Use a human scribe. I agree that this is less than ideal, but it might be
> better than not taking the test at all, at least until you work something
> else out.
> 4. If none of these ideas work, you may need to seriously consider dropping
> the class, if you are not already past the drop date. It would be
> unfortunate if you have to take that route, but I’m not sure why you would
> continue to pay for a class you can’t have access to. You might even be able
> to persuade them to fully refund your money since it is the University’s
> lack of accommodations that seems to be preventing you from success.
>
> This sounds like an ugly situation and I’m sorry you are having to deal with
> it. I apologize in advance if these are not the answers you were looking
> for. Reading through this thread, you have received a variety of advice, in
> my opinion, some good, some bad, and some irrelevant. It seems clear though
> that you have not received the kind of support you are looking for. What
> exactly are you looking for? Do you want someone to help you figure out how
> to go up the chain of command and what to say? Do you want someone to come
> with you to visit your DSO office to help you advocate? Those seem like
> reasonable requests to me. It seems as though there are many people willing
> to help, offer advice, etc. Don’t shut them out because they can’t read your
> mind. Clarify your request and ignore  answers if they aren’t helpful
> (including mine).
>
> I hope you can get this resolved.
>
> Best,
> Greg
>
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will work
>> for
>> all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a screen reader, I
>> cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be without the use of a screen
>> reader.
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly
>> Mihalakis
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>;
>> National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>>
>> Evening, List,
>>
>> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing my
>> writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class computers
>> in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
>> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have a
>>> scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and
>>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do the
>>> job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Jamie,
>>>>
>>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape
>>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not have
>> much of anything.
>>>>
>>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I
>>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>>> how to use a
>>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even
>>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on this
>> email list.
>>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend
>>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>>> definitely not what
>>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB
>>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie
>>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>>> Advice
>>>>
>>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you
>>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help
>>>> with
>>> that. It's
>>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until
>>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas
>>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,,
>>>>>
>>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it
>>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is
>>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly
>>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to
>>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my
>>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I
>>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream
>>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a
>>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would
>>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be
>>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
>> accommodation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>>>>> Advice
>>>>>
>>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all
>>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How
>>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need
>>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from
>>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living
>>>>> the life
>>>> y want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I
>>>>>> really
>>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is
>>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all
>>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training
>>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to
>>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not
>>>>>> work for
>>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use
>>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already
>>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not
>>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used
>>>>>> it
>>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I
>>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the
>>>>>> vocational
>>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not
>>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really
>>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a
>>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have
>>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to
>>>>> be able to
>>>> do before my accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not
>>>>>> have
>>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just
>>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just
>>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before my
>> accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 08:57:36 2016
From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J. Bloomgren)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:57:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
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I'd just use NVDA on Windows and Voiceover on OSX. Chromevox does work. This 
is not bad advice, Bryan. I just wouldn't see the need.

Ben
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
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Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 22:01
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility


> Bryan,
> it sounds great. I will try this.
> Thanks for putting this together and sharing
>
>
> 2016-01-30 21:19 GMT-05:00, Christina Moore via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Yes, JAWS does work very well with Google products. I have been using it
>> quite a bit lately.
>> There are many options now so everybody can have their own preference 
>> which
>> is nice.
>>
>> --Christina
>>
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 21:12, Brice Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I appreciate the information, it is not necessary to learn to use
>>> this separate, Google specific screen reader. JAWS and NVDA work alright
>>> these days with Google applications and the Chrome web browser. Even
>>> Google has realized the futility of expecting screen reader users to 
>>> learn
>>> ChromeVOX just to access their specific applications.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Bryan Duarte via nabs-l 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello NABS,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may
>>>> not know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google
>>>> applications at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this
>>>> rhetorical question. Well let me provide you some information which may
>>>> or may not surprise you about the incredible accessibility Google
>>>> applications have for blind individuals no matter what operating system
>>>> you are using.
>>>>
>>>> As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years
>>>> that they are building accessibility into their products but when we 
>>>> open
>>>> Google Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or 
>>>> Mac
>>>> we are getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer 
>>>> is
>>>> once again Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the
>>>> truth but not telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web
>>>> browser which is free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google
>>>> Chrome as our web browser but for the most part we do not mess with it
>>>> because Jaws and other windows screen readers interact better with
>>>> browsers such as Firefox, Safari, and yes some people still use 
>>>> Internet
>>>> Explorer. What Google has not told you is that they have also developed
>>>> their own screen reader called Chrome VOX which only runs in Google
>>>> Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome but it gives you complete access
>>>> to all Google applications which guess what, also run right inside of
>>>> Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you would like to use Googles
>>>> powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate with your teams of
>>>> sighted peers.
>>>>
>>>> 1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
>>>> https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
>>>> <https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/>
>>>>
>>>> Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your 
>>>> operating
>>>> system Windows or Mac or Linux.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web
>>>> browser.
>>>> http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/>
>>>>
>>>> 3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or 
>>>> settings
>>>> tab and customize the voice and you are off and running.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control
>>>> Chrome VOX
>>>> http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html
>>>> <http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html>
>>>>
>>>> I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams
>>>> and communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will
>>>> press Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while 
>>>> I
>>>> am using the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume
>>>> Voiceover. Just as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are
>>>> editing within a Google Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is
>>>> convenient so you do not have to worry about having to toggle one on 
>>>> and
>>>> off.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to
>>>> use Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the
>>>> inconsistency of accessibility.
>>>>
>>>> Go Devils!
>>>>
>>>> Bryan Duarte
>>>> ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student
>>>> QwikEyes CEO
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 09:10:05 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:10:05 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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	<DB1E400F-EAF5-4ACC-918C-457955BDF750@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1621A24E24037357EEFD732BADB0@phx.gbl>,
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Try to connect through your VR. If they fail, go through client assistance program,, (CAP). Every state has a client assistance program. CAP has to report to RSA in Washington. I hope this helps.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> I know that it can feel frustrating to have to battle for your accommodations and always have to find solutions for yourself. I would love to try and help you deal with this frustrating and difficult situation. Do you have FaceTime or Skype? Where do you live? I live in Canada.
> Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Aleeha,
>> 
>> Thank you for your response. However, I am not quite sure how this advice is
>> goint to help me get through this class. And going to an NFB training center
>> would be absolutely great except for the fact that I do not have the money
>> to attend an NFB training center. Plus, I am still not quite sure how I
>> would be able to manage all my health issues while attending an NFB training
>> center either. So some practical advice on how I could make it through this
>> class would be great.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:57 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not give up. One
>> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille skills and
>> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will gain confidence
>> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think that would
>> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for yourself and
>> truly succeeding in your college life. 
>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
>>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
>>> though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
>> However,
>>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
>>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
>>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>>> 
>>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
>>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
>>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
>>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
>>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
>> appears
>>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
>> college
>>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
>>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
>> the
>>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
>>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
>>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
>>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>>> 
>>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
>>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
>>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
>>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
>> she
>>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
>>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>> disabilities
>>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
>> like
>>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>>> 
>>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
>>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
>>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
>> difficult
>>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
>>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
>>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
>>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
>>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
>>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what
>> to
>>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
>>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>>> 
>>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
>> when
>>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
>>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
>>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
>> everyone
>>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
>>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find
>> it
>>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
>> of
>>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
>> the
>>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
>>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
>>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
>>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
>> has
>>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
>> will
>>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
>>> at least give it a try.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
>>> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 09:17:22 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:17:22 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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What college is this? Is it public, (State), or private?
Depending on which, the ADA applies loosely in private colleges unlike public state ones. Some are better than others. Also, does your school know about NVDA or, the ability to use Window Eyes for free with Microsoft 2010? Like others have said, see if your states VR can help, if not go to client assistance, (CAP). Good luck.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morningAt afternoon, list,
> ,
> 
> To me, it's not necessarily about the ends (I.E.) actual submission to prof. Instead, could it be more about the ends (I.E) getting your thoughts together before jotting them down on a Perkin's, then crafting the paper before, ultimately submitting it?
> Car
> , 10:54 AM 1/29/2016, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>> But Carl, what good does a slate and stylus do for exams and other assignments?
>> A professor cannot read braille.  So a student needs to use technology to substitute for handwriting.
>> 
>> The only good braille does in college is for your personal notetaking during class and for homework, like reading textbooks. Otherwise, what you show to the instructors  needs to be in print.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:04 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Karl Martin Adam
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
>> 
>> Christina, the point of her attending a training center would be
>> to learn braille well enough to use a slate and not need the
>> technology she can't afford.  I'm not sure that would be
>> feasable, but that was the suggestion that was being made.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Christina Moore via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 11:53:56 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some
>> Advice
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am sorry to here about the struggles you are having. They are
>> very
>> unacceptable and I hopw that you can find some solace in that you
>> are
>> not alone in having difficulties of this sort.
>> These things should not happen but they do and we all can do our
>> best
>> to educate others but at times that falls on deaf ears as they
>> say.
>> First, in my opinion a reasonable accommodation for you is to be
>> allowed to have a recorder in your lectures. I am not sure what
>> devices you are using/have access to currently but you should be
>> able
>> to record your lectures so you can listen to them later to study
>> the
>> information.
>> Second, if you do not mind me asking, why is your vocational
>> rehab not
>> helping you? You are pursuing an educational degree and need
>> technology that it is not surprisingly, too expensive for you to
>> pay
>> for. They should be willing/able to help you pursue your
>> educational
>> goals.
>> Third, the suggestion to attend the NFB center is an interesting
>> one.
>> I have never attended such a center myself but I believe it would
>> put
>> off your education considerably which is something you should
>> consider
>> when weighing your options. I hear the centers are very useful
>> but I
>> am not sure how it would benefit you since yes you would go home
>> with
>> skills but still without the resources to use those skills.
>> Advocacy
>> can go a long way but only to a point. If someone does not have
>> the
>> economical means to pursue their education and their state and
>> other
>> organizations are not willing to help, than a training center
>> will do
>> nothing. Just my thoughts on that suggestion.
>> Fourth, it seems like you are in a position where a tutor for
>> this
>> class would be beyond necessary. The tutor can read the notes
>> from the
>> TA and others, ask you questions, be a scribe for exams/reader
>> and
>> they can get paid for it.
>> I hope this helps you get somewhere. Your disability services
>> should
>> provide the reader/tutor/scribe that is a reasonable and
>> essential
>> accommodation for your circumstances.
>> 
>> On 1/29/16, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> One of the big things that I want to say to you is this: do not
>> give up. One
>> of the things that would really help you is to get the Braille
>> skills and
>> problem solving skills from an NFB training center. You will
>> gain confidence
>> in yourself and be able to do whatever you want to do. I think
>> that would
>> really help you when it comes to getting accommodations for
>> yourself and
>> truly succeeding in your college life.
>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about
>> someone being
>> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom.
>> It seems
>> as
>> though people on here were offended by my response to this
>> message.
>> However,
>> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the
>> classroom
>> seems
>> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not
>> everyone can
>> afford a computer that they can take to class.
>> 
>> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could
>> take
>> with
>> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about
>> failing my
>> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took
>> classes
>> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for
>> answering
>> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However,
>> it
>> appears
>> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation.
>> The
>> college
>> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but
>> most of
>> the
>> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I
>> ask about
>> the
>> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing
>> room, there
>> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a
>> loss as
>> to
>> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going
>> to fail
>> my
>> class because of a lack of accommodations.
>> 
>> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to
>> write out
>> my
>> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on
>> my exam?
>> My
>> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to
>> provide and
>> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my
>> professor,
>> she
>> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the
>> disabilities
>> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
>> disabilities
>> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so
>> I feel
>> like
>> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
>> 
>> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities
>> office
>> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for
>> me when
>> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it
>> rather
>> difficult
>> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it
>> to
>> someone
>> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in
>> this
>> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very
>> well. But
>> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class,
>> and the
>> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the
>> computers on
>> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss
>> as to what
>> to
>> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was
>> going to be
>> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
>> 
>> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get
>> frustrated
>> when
>> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to
>> them from
>> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets
>> privilege of
>> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and
>> not
>> everyone
>> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive
>> services
>> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I
>> just find
>> it
>> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my
>> limited amount
>> of
>> resources and a lack of support from other people.
>> 
>> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my
>> messages to
>> the
>> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really
>> frustrated by
>> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure
>> out what
>> to
>> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and
>> that I can
>> never really get the support I need from others when I need it.
>> The NFB
>> has
>> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical
>> that I
>> will
>> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I
>> thought I
>> would
>> at least give it a try.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 09:20:12 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:20:12 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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	<COL401-EAS15744C585E4C43E45ECE020BADB0@phx.gbl>
	<01ECCD1A-5973-4700-B5EC-125F80060620@icloud.com>,
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Wait, wait, wait!
You can use other voices on NVDA. Can someone help explain how to do it, I forget the process.


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:36 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,,
> 
> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it going to be
> for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is going to change this
> for me.
> 
> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly would
> this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to allow my
> professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my victor stream. I
> would not feel comfortable doing this because I have all my reading
> materials on it. And since the victor stream has its own special recording
> format, I cannot just simply save a copy of the recording and send it to my
> professor.
> 
> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option. And I
> have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would allow such an
> accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be rather controlling in
> what it is willing to approve of as an accommodation.
> 
> Elizabeth
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com] 
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all implying
> that a training center would solve all your problems. How many of our
> members have left a training center, only to still need help with their
> colleges? could you practice with NVDA from wherever you are emailing right
> now? The more you practice, the better. Blindness and health problems do not
> have to stop you from living the life y want.  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I really
> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is tell me
> that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all the problems in my
> life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training center, I will probably
> never gain the Braille skills necessary to be able to use them in a testing
> situation.
>> 
>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not work for
> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use it good
> enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already trying to catch
> up in this class after being sick, so I am not looking to add anything more
> to my plate than what is already on it.
>> 
>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used it
> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I am not
> quite sure how this option would work for me.
>> 
>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the vocational
> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not do much
> of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really been willing to
> help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a way to pass this class. But
> it looks as though I simply do not have the support, resources, and capacity
> to do the things I wanted to be able to do before my accident.
>> 
>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not have
> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just feels like
> this was only a waste of my money. And I should just learn that I am never
> going to be the same person that I was before my accident.
>> 
>> Elizabeth
>> 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 09:26:42 2016
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:26:42 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
In-Reply-To: <48DF277FE8EA4CD7B9E06A290313B460@OwnerPC>
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	<48DF277FE8EA4CD7B9E06A290313B460@OwnerPC>
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Well do not be shocked, even 25 now 26 years after ADA. Good luck. That law was useless for blind people.



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Elizabeth,
> 
> I'm sorry to hear of your struggles in class. Like you, I took my exams with a computer with jaws in the testing center.
> In fact I do not think the testing center allowed
> personal laptops. I also agree that having a laptop is a privelege not a right.
> You are right  that not all students including blind students can have laptops.
> Also, I know of blind students who were older and lost vision who could not use braille effectively for notes or exams.
> I love braille and use it along with large print, but I also realize that not everyone can learn braille to use it efficiently for class or employment.
> You are not alone in such circumstances.
> So, there are definitely students who went to college without portable technology or many financial resources and without the skill of braille.
> I know some of them, but they are not on this list.
> 
> Its rather appalling the school fails to provide you that accomodation.
> I am just shocked to still find stories of this in the 21st century. As Elif said, the school should not expect students to have laptops.
> They do not in fact expect this. Schools have computer labs and computers at their testing centers for students to use. As a student, it is your right to be able to use a pc with accomodations. I'd definitely go up the chain of command and fight this.
> 
> Do you want a laptop? I think I might have some resources for free or reduced price ones for blind people.
> My dss offices only provided readers and a computer with jaws for the exams, so I know what you mean about inflexibility.
> 
> Meanwhile, I have some ideas.
> You will need to work something out with the professor getting it approved by dss or withdraw from the class.
> 
> So here are ideas.
> If you can read large print, you can jot down notes for the exam. Then
> once your thoughts are together, you can dictate it to  a reader.
> 
> Other options are to take the exam orally.
> Arrange a time to take the exam with the professor or their TA. This may feel intimidating to do it with the professor, so another idea is to have another faculty member administer the exam to you.
> I've done this on a few ocasions for short answer exams and it works okay.
> The instructor just reads back what I wrote after each question.
> Another idea for oral exams is that you have the professor record the questions and you record your answers. Many colleges have old fashioned tape recorders  around or digital recorders. Technology labs or even the library may have equipment.
> Have you asked different departments about the possibility of lending you technology?
> I would think they have something around.
> 
> Finally, an option is to take home the exam if the professor lets you do that.
> I've actually done this a few times. In fact my professor suggested it. She said all the students would do in class was that essay, and she saw no reason for me to have to come in and do it at the testing center.
> So, she let me take it at home. There was no way to really cheat, but she did say I was on my honor not to use outside resources or  other people.
> 
> If no accomodations are approved and you cannot take the exams, then taking an incomplete
> seems like the best option rather than having a failing grade.
> 
> I'm sorry to hear things look so hopeless. Definitely complain to the school.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
> Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems as
> though people on here were offended by my response to this message. However,
> from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom seems
> to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> afford a computer that they can take to class.
> 
> I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take with
> me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it appears
> as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The college
> is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of the
> time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about the
> status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as to
> what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail my
> class because of a lack of accommodations.
> 
> So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out my
> answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam? My
> college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor, she
> will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the disabilities
> office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel like
> I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> 
> It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather difficult
> to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to someone
> else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to what to
> do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> 
> I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated when
> I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not everyone
> has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just find it
> rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount of
> resources and a lack of support from other people.
> 
> Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to the
> email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what to
> do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB has
> never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I will
> be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I would
> at least give it a try.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From mabelin_r at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 12:29:06 2016
From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Bishop)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 07:29:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
In-Reply-To: <BB133E55D4244E9289E70EE3F1E75E12@Dell>
References: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
	<A5D94194-5CEE-4C45-BFA7-B2AF65816A05@gmail.com>
	<8DBDFB71-867C-47FE-8F8B-F721B1A4517C@houghton.edu>
	<CAMtP_9dcWXL0ng5KCLGomxiZ1zxQTZzWQbB35=pPiztAJY3kUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB133E55D4244E9289E70EE3F1E75E12@Dell>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP79898C56E0298BE8317F6B82DD0@phx.gbl>

NVDA is quite easy to use, as others have said, there is a free version of Eloquence available.
If you need any help don't be afraid to reach out to me or other people.
Keep your head up, and never give up. That's my best advice.
Always keep on trying.
My name is Mabelin by the way.
Regards,
Mabelin



From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan 31 14:21:03 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:21:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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	<48DF277FE8EA4CD7B9E06A290313B460@OwnerPC>
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I do not believe the law is to blame but rather enforcement of the law and
lack of understanding on the part of people not educated about the law's
existence and how important the stipulations are.
Just my thoughts. Not wanting to argue, just stating my views.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 4:26 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Well do not be shocked, even 25 now 26 years after ADA. Good luck. That
> law was useless for blind people.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jan 29, 2016, at 6:16 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Elizabeth,
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear of your struggles in class. Like you, I took my exams
> with a computer with jaws in the testing center.
> > In fact I do not think the testing center allowed
> > personal laptops. I also agree that having a laptop is a privelege not a
> right.
> > You are right  that not all students including blind students can have
> laptops.
> > Also, I know of blind students who were older and lost vision who could
> not use braille effectively for notes or exams.
> > I love braille and use it along with large print, but I also realize
> that not everyone can learn braille to use it efficiently for class or
> employment.
> > You are not alone in such circumstances.
> > So, there are definitely students who went to college without portable
> technology or many financial resources and without the skill of braille.
> > I know some of them, but they are not on this list.
> >
> > Its rather appalling the school fails to provide you that accomodation.
> > I am just shocked to still find stories of this in the 21st century. As
> Elif said, the school should not expect students to have laptops.
> > They do not in fact expect this. Schools have computer labs and
> computers at their testing centers for students to use. As a student, it is
> your right to be able to use a pc with accomodations. I'd definitely go up
> the chain of command and fight this.
> >
> > Do you want a laptop? I think I might have some resources for free or
> reduced price ones for blind people.
> > My dss offices only provided readers and a computer with jaws for the
> exams, so I know what you mean about inflexibility.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I have some ideas.
> > You will need to work something out with the professor getting it
> approved by dss or withdraw from the class.
> >
> > So here are ideas.
> > If you can read large print, you can jot down notes for the exam. Then
> > once your thoughts are together, you can dictate it to  a reader.
> >
> > Other options are to take the exam orally.
> > Arrange a time to take the exam with the professor or their TA. This may
> feel intimidating to do it with the professor, so another idea is to have
> another faculty member administer the exam to you.
> > I've done this on a few ocasions for short answer exams and it works
> okay.
> > The instructor just reads back what I wrote after each question.
> > Another idea for oral exams is that you have the professor record the
> questions and you record your answers. Many colleges have old fashioned
> tape recorders  around or digital recorders. Technology labs or even the
> library may have equipment.
> > Have you asked different departments about the possibility of lending
> you technology?
> > I would think they have something around.
> >
> > Finally, an option is to take home the exam if the professor lets you do
> that.
> > I've actually done this a few times. In fact my professor suggested it.
> She said all the students would do in class was that essay, and she saw no
> reason for me to have to come in and do it at the testing center.
> > So, she let me take it at home. There was no way to really cheat, but
> she did say I was on my honor not to use outside resources or  other people.
> >
> > If no accomodations are approved and you cannot take the exams, then
> taking an incomplete
> > seems like the best option rather than having a failing grade.
> >
> > I'm sorry to hear things look so hopeless. Definitely complain to the
> school.
> >
> > Ashley
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
> > Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 10:50 AM
> > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> > Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
> > Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > There was a message thread on here not too long ago about someone being
> > upset about not being able to use a computer in the classroom. It seems
> as
> > though people on here were offended by my response to this message.
> However,
> > from my point of view, being able to use a computer in the classroom
> seems
> > to be more of a privilege rather than a right because not everyone can
> > afford a computer that they can take to class.
> >
> > I really wish I had the money to buy a new computer that I could take
> with
> > me to class because then maybe I would not be so worried about failing my
> > exams due to a lack of accommodations by my college. When I took classes
> > before, I was able to use a computer in the testing center for answering
> > short answer and essay questions that were on my exams. However, it
> appears
> > as though the college no longer offers this as an accommodation. The
> college
> > is supposed to have computers on campus with JAWS on them, but most of
> the
> > time, these computers do not work correctly, and every time I ask about
> the
> > status of the computer with JAWS on it in their new testing room, there
> > always seems to be something wrong with it. So I am really at a loss as
> to
> > what to do for my exams, and I am really scared that I am going to fail
> my
> > class because of a lack of accommodations.
> >
> > So what exactly am I supposed to do if I do not have a way to write out
> my
> > answers for the short answer questions that are going to be on my exam?
> My
> > college seems to rely heavily on the disabilities office to provide and
> > approve accommodations on campus. Therefore, if I talk to my professor,
> she
> > will most likely tell me that I would need to talk to the disabilities
> > office in order to get any accommodations for my exam. But the
> disabilities
> > office does not appear to provide the accommodations I need, so I feel
> like
> > I am just caught up in some bureaucratic mess.
> >
> > It seems to me the only reliable accommodations the disabilities office
> > provides for exams are readers. However, this does not work for me when
> > answering short answer questions on exams because I find it rather
> difficult
> > to write anything longer than a couple of words by dictating it to
> someone
> > else to write down for me. So the best accommodation for me in this
> > situation is to use a computer since I do not know Braille very well. But
> > since I do not have my own computer that I can take to class, and the
> > college does not appear to know how to properly maintain the computers on
> > campus that have JAWS on them, I feel as though I am at a loss as to
> what to
> > do for my exams. If I had known this was the situation I was going to be
> > facing, I probably would not have signed up to take this class.
> >
> > I guess some days I just really hate being blind. And I get frustrated
> when
> > I see other blind students get pretty much everything handed to them from
> > their vocational rehabilitation agency. Not everyone gets privilege of
> > receiving services from a vocational rehabilitation agency, and not
> everyone
> > has the privilege of having others help them advocate to receive services
> > from the vocational rehabilitation agency either. And I guess I just
> find it
> > rather difficult to make anything out of my life given my limited amount
> of
> > resources and a lack of support from other people.
> >
> > Anyway, I am sorry if I have offended anyone with any of my messages to
> the
> > email list. This is not what I mean to do. I am just really frustrated by
> > life right now, and I am really struggling in trying to figure out what
> to
> > do. It seems to me like nothing in my life ever works out, and that I can
> > never really get the support I need from others when I need it. The NFB
> has
> > never really been there for me before, so I am rather skeptical that I
> will
> > be able to receive any help or support from the NFB, but I thought I
> would
> > at least give it a try.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> >
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> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christina.moore16%40houghton.edu
>

From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 14:52:16 2016
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 09:52:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] reintroducing myself to the list
In-Reply-To: <CAC0sDO61gpSoJMQxmdGvg=MmtJktfH8byHp_=ukiV7sYFRygQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC0sDO61gpSoJMQxmdGvg=MmtJktfH8byHp_=ukiV7sYFRygQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5756EB2D-86A0-433A-A115-65A2FB245F3B@gmail.com>

Dear Laurel, 
welcome back to the list,  my name is Nesma Aly. I am in tenth grade and currently serve as the first board member of the Maryland association of blind students. I have been apart of the National federation of the blind since I was in third grade but have not started getting involved until last year. I am fluent in arabic and am learning spanish in school. After high school I want to go to Towson university to study information sciences. I also have a dream to become a teacher for the visually impaired. I love science and technology.  
Please let me know if there is anything I can help with, 
NesmaI am a very hands-on learner. 
> On Jan 29, 2016, at 20:43, Laurel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> My name is Laurel and I'm a student at the University of Oklahoma. I
> have been on this list for several years, but it has been an extremely
> long time since I have posted anything, so there are a few of you who
> might remember me, but most of you probably don't. I moved to Oklahoma
> from Texas, where I attended a university that refused to accommodate
> me and essentially denied me an education. I won't write too much
> about that publicly, it's a long story, but basically I transferred to
> the University of Oklahoma and have so far had a wonderful experience
> here. Norman, Oklahoma is a very good place to live for a blind
> student. There is public transit, para-transit and it's also very
> walkable.
> Here at OU I study Russian, it's my major. I love it and I want to
> become an instructor of Russian language someday. I am learning
> something like 6 or 7 other languages on my own, so if you know other
> languages besides English, I would love to meet you. /smile/ I have a
> guide dog from Guide Dogs for the Blind and we have been a team for 6
> years. I am a member of the NFB, but am not currently involved in a
> particular chapter.
> I have a work-study job at my university where I help test for
> accessibility, like in websites, software and I help to test different
> materials for different courses the university offers. When I find
> accessibility issues, I get to be part of the solution and help fix
> them.
> I enjoy reading you all's posts and look forward to knowing many of
> you. Please feel free to write me off list at
> laurel.Stockard at gmail.com if you want and we can chat.
> Have a great evening,
> Laurel
> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sun Jan 31 16:48:59 2016
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 11:48:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
In-Reply-To: <56C8DEF6-551D-448D-B0FE-265E66DA0CE6@gmail.com>
References: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>
	<9F2AB655-8BAE-4D9D-A541-F9BB21F58B7E@gmail.com>
	<AE05596D-19A0-4A51-B8A1-A918C56FEF0E@me.com>
	<56C8DEF6-551D-448D-B0FE-265E66DA0CE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F6B40D6-107E-4619-80B7-A8878877342E@fuse.net>

If you want a Windows computer, and don't want to pay for a screen reader, NVDA may be a good option for you.
HTH 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Matt. This is Helga! How are you? Can you write me off list. I want to talk to you about getting some classes with you. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am a Macintosh and windows trainer, and no screen reader is better than the other. There are some things at voiceover does better than jaws, but then there's something that draws is better than Voiceovdr. If anyone is looking for high quality and affordable training, feel free to email me privately, or called my American phone number to discuss.
>> 
>> Matt Dierckens
>> Certified Assistive technology specialist
>> Macintosh trainer
>> Canadian phone: 5199629140
>> U.S. Phone: 5734011018
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:42, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi I have a Mac computer. yeah, voiceover works very well. yes, it read PDF with something call the Preview I have rated it, but it reads it, but for some reason when I am tryin to read word by word or character by character it does not let me. But with word format or RTF documents works great! In order to read them I use texted it or pages. Some of the commands are different, but it is easy t to manage. I'm still exploring for papers. I have not write a paper yet, but I need to  play and try to find out how to do fonts and so on. You can use Safari and Google on Safari in order to find  your sources. You can even use the Google app on your phone to search things! For emails is different, but you can have it set  on your email account or use Safari to go to your email on your site.  Hope this helps a little bit. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber 
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 18:29:06 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 13:29:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of
the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while other
people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the
NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in
order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is
free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you
able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on
was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different
information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can
explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would
greatly appreciate hearing from you.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From christina.moore16 at houghton.edu  Sun Jan 31 19:02:13 2016
From: christina.moore16 at houghton.edu (Christina Moore)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:02:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D63FB33F-3CE2-4A38-9B36-F19DEA4E6896@houghton.edu>

Hi,
I believe that people are getting it for free because they download it illegally.

--Christina

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 13:29, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of
> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while other
> people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the
> NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in
> order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is
> free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you
> able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on
> was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different
> information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can
> explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would
> greatly appreciate hearing from you.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 19:36:09 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:36:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a Friendly
	Reminder to All Listers
Message-ID: <001b01d15c5e$ab5aa260$020fe720$@gmail.com>

Dear Fellow NABSters:

 

Since its beginning Friday morning, I have been attempting to follow our
most recent large-scale thread, entitled "A Struggling Blind Student Looking
for Some Advice," as closely as I can. Though the discussion has evolved and
expanded to encompass several different topics and points of view, I have
observed a few common themes which seem to me at once gratifying and
troubling. In an effort to avoid the highly emotionally-charged nature of
some of the discussion in this thread, I have chosen here to try to address
these commonalities in a new and separate post rather than responding to a
lot of individual comments which have been posted throughout the thread.

 

Firstly, I would like to thank those who provided constructive answers to
the questions posed in the original post based on your own experiences. Your
thoughtful and practical approach exhibits the best characteristics of this
list. Indeed, this list exists as a forum in which blind students can get
support, encouragement and information from each other in a nurturing,
nonjudgmental environment. It was in this spirit that the NABS list was
created, and it is this spirit that the NABS leadership team tries to keep
alive as we monitor the day-to-day discussion which takes place here. I
personally and the leadership team collectively are very appreciative of
those many list members who assist us in keeping the NABS place an inviting
forum that people want to participate in. You are what holds this list
together.

 

With this in mind, I have also observed to my dismay that a small but vocal
minority has engaged in personal attacks and angry rhetoric used against
those with whom they disagree. There have also been those who have appeared
immovable in their positions, even as new information is disclosed. This has
created tention and high emotions in a discussion which began as a
productive exchange of ideas. I completely understand the frustration which
comes when those of us who are more experienced offer a suggestion to a
struggling new member, only for that new member to seem to reject the advice
we gave them. One is tempted to throw up one's hands and reply, "You asked
me, and I told you what you should do. If you had just done what I told you
to do, you wouldn't be stuck in this mess!"

 

This frustration is a very real feeling, and one with which I have struggled
on many occasions both inside and outside the Federation. However, I believe
we must remember that we can only control the advice we give. What a new
member does or fails to do based on our advice is completely out of our
control. Moreover, I believe it must be emphasized that what works for one
may not work for all. Our philosophy states that the blind are a
cross-section of the general public. If this is true, it follows that each
blind person is an individual with his/her own strengths, weaknesses, and
preferences. It is very easy to become insistent on our way of doing things,
not understanding why others do not do what seems so easy to us. However,
there are often a number of secondary factors which complicate a
situation-secondary disabilities, family situations, financial hardships,
etc. Since we may not be aware of all these factors, we may not always be
able to provide the most workable advice in every situation. All of us,
including myself, must therefore recognize the innate individuality of each
blind person, and exercise patience with those who may be dealing with
situations which we may not fully understand.

 

Finally, I was deeply troubled when Elizabeth, the list member whose post
began the thread in question, expressed her regret that she had posted her
question to an NFB list. As she wrote, "I guess the support of the NFB is
for everyone else but me." Obviously, this is not the kind of feeling that
we who are dedicated Federationists want to leave with our newer colleagues.
Therefore, I would like to remind all list members that when we post to a
list like this one, we often represent the first contact blind students have
with our movement at the national level. Unfair though this may be, it is a
fact of life that first impressions often determine a person's perception of
a group of people as a whole. To use a personal example, I did not
participate in the Federation for ten years because the first impressions I
gleaned from an earlier experience involving an NFB-sponsored program were
negative (see my article in the June, 2013 Braille Monitor for more on
this.) It is vital, then, that we all remember the importance of first
impressions when posting to the list. Of course, we all have the right to
express our opinions freely on this list-indeed, we have this list for that
very purpose. When we resort to anger and personal attacks, however, we are
not only making bitter an otherwise pleasant conversation, but we are also
misrepresenting the true, supportive nature of our Federation to new
members. I challenge all list members, therefore, to remember the support we
have received from the Federation over the years, and resolve to show that
support to others whenever we post to our list.

 

I hope that my comments here serve only to refocus our on-list discussion
rather than to further polarize it. If what I have said has offended any of
my fellow listers, I am truly sorry. Finally, please understand that what I
have said above is merely my personal opinion and does not reflect any
official position of NABS or the NABS Board. I hope we can end this brief
period of discord, and that we can work together to rededicate ourselves to
accurately representing the love, hope and determination of the National
Federation of the Blind.

 

Yours in the movement,

 

Chris

 

Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Vice President, Greater Carroll County Chapter, National Federation of the
Blind of Maryland

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

 


From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 19:53:02 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:53:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] VoiceOver Vs. Jaws?
In-Reply-To: <1F6B40D6-107E-4619-80B7-A8878877342E@fuse.net>
References: <CAJMVeY3EcOdeex0Y7GfdTcGZm0eXnAWU7hWAyKkVwz__G-pQ4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<78FCB2F8-B95F-4521-84D3-63717A030345@yahoo.com>
	<9F2AB655-8BAE-4D9D-A541-F9BB21F58B7E@gmail.com>
	<AE05596D-19A0-4A51-B8A1-A918C56FEF0E@me.com>
	<56C8DEF6-551D-448D-B0FE-265E66DA0CE6@gmail.com>
	<1F6B40D6-107E-4619-80B7-A8878877342E@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <72D610C8-EAF6-4CD0-AD77-069F917C4003@gmail.com>

If you wanted to use Mac and Windows both, you can get a Mac and run a Windows virtual machine, or you could Boot Camp it.

Sent from my iPod

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 11:48 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you want a Windows computer, and don't want to pay for a screen reader, NVDA may be a good option for you.
> HTH 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:15 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Matt. This is Helga! How are you? Can you write me off list. I want to talk to you about getting some classes with you. I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I am a Macintosh and windows trainer, and no screen reader is better than the other. There are some things at voiceover does better than jaws, but then there's something that draws is better than Voiceovdr. If anyone is looking for high quality and affordable training, feel free to email me privately, or called my American phone number to discuss.
>>> 
>>> Matt Dierckens
>>> Certified Assistive technology specialist
>>> Macintosh trainer
>>> Canadian phone: 5199629140
>>> U.S. Phone: 5734011018
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2016, at 16:42, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi I have a Mac computer. yeah, voiceover works very well. yes, it read PDF with something call the Preview I have rated it, but it reads it, but for some reason when I am tryin to read word by word or character by character it does not let me. But with word format or RTF documents works great! In order to read them I use texted it or pages. Some of the commands are different, but it is easy t to manage. I'm still exploring for papers. I have not write a paper yet, but I need to  play and try to find out how to do fonts and so on. You can use Safari and Google on Safari in order to find  your sources. You can even use the Google app on your phone to search things! For emails is different, but you can have it set  on your email account or use Safari to go to your email on your site.  Hope this helps a little bit. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>>>> 
>>>> Helga Schreiber 
>>>> 
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:13:49 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:13:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a
	Friendly	Reminder to All Listers
In-Reply-To: <001b01d15c5e$ab5aa260$020fe720$@gmail.com>
References: <001b01d15c5e$ab5aa260$020fe720$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS1572F65CDED67A1C8B4F5DCBADD0@phx.gbl>

Hello Chris,

I appreciate you posting this message to the email list. I do not wish to
make this situation worse, but I would like to point out that I am not a new
member to this organization. The comment you reference in this email comes
from my experience in not being able to receive the help and support from
this organization when I needed it. I find it very difficult to see other
people receive help and support from this organization to help them advocate
for things that go beyond the means of what they are able to handle on their
own when I have never really been able to receive this same help and support
to advocate for things that are beyond the means of what I am able to handle
on my own. I am sorry if this statement offends people, but it is the truth
of my experience in trying to be a part of this organization. I think part
of the reason why I overreacted to the responses I received was because it
seemed as though the initial responses I received offered solutions that
went beyond my specific situation and this only caused me to become more
overwhelmed by my situation. And I am sure this was not the intent of anyone
who responded to me, but I really felt as though I was being attacked by
most of the responses I received in response to my message. It seems to me
that I receive a lot of personal attacks from a number of different members
within this organization. I honestly do not understand why I am treated this
way, but the pattern of being treated this way by different members of the
NFB only leads me to believe that I am this no good person who will never
really amount to much of anything in life. But anyway, I am sorry for my
rambles that probably do not belong on this email list. I wish it was easier
for me to communicate effectively with other people, but it appears as
though there are some injuries that never really heal.

Elizabeth. 

 -----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 2:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a Friendly
Reminder to All Listers

Dear Fellow NABSters:

 

Since its beginning Friday morning, I have been attempting to follow our
most recent large-scale thread, entitled "A Struggling Blind Student Looking
for Some Advice," as closely as I can. Though the discussion has evolved and
expanded to encompass several different topics and points of view, I have
observed a few common themes which seem to me at once gratifying and
troubling. In an effort to avoid the highly emotionally-charged nature of
some of the discussion in this thread, I have chosen here to try to address
these commonalities in a new and separate post rather than responding to a
lot of individual comments which have been posted throughout the thread.

 

Firstly, I would like to thank those who provided constructive answers to
the questions posed in the original post based on your own experiences. Your
thoughtful and practical approach exhibits the best characteristics of this
list. Indeed, this list exists as a forum in which blind students can get
support, encouragement and information from each other in a nurturing,
nonjudgmental environment. It was in this spirit that the NABS list was
created, and it is this spirit that the NABS leadership team tries to keep
alive as we monitor the day-to-day discussion which takes place here. I
personally and the leadership team collectively are very appreciative of
those many list members who assist us in keeping the NABS place an inviting
forum that people want to participate in. You are what holds this list
together.

 

With this in mind, I have also observed to my dismay that a small but vocal
minority has engaged in personal attacks and angry rhetoric used against
those with whom they disagree. There have also been those who have appeared
immovable in their positions, even as new information is disclosed. This has
created tention and high emotions in a discussion which began as a
productive exchange of ideas. I completely understand the frustration which
comes when those of us who are more experienced offer a suggestion to a
struggling new member, only for that new member to seem to reject the advice
we gave them. One is tempted to throw up one's hands and reply, "You asked
me, and I told you what you should do. If you had just done what I told you
to do, you wouldn't be stuck in this mess!"

 

This frustration is a very real feeling, and one with which I have struggled
on many occasions both inside and outside the Federation. However, I believe
we must remember that we can only control the advice we give. What a new
member does or fails to do based on our advice is completely out of our
control. Moreover, I believe it must be emphasized that what works for one
may not work for all. Our philosophy states that the blind are a
cross-section of the general public. If this is true, it follows that each
blind person is an individual with his/her own strengths, weaknesses, and
preferences. It is very easy to become insistent on our way of doing things,
not understanding why others do not do what seems so easy to us. However,
there are often a number of secondary factors which complicate a
situation-secondary disabilities, family situations, financial hardships,
etc. Since we may not be aware of all these factors, we may not always be
able to provide the most workable advice in every situation. All of us,
including myself, must therefore recognize the innate individuality of each
blind person, and exercise patience with those who may be dealing with
situations which we may not fully understand.

 

Finally, I was deeply troubled when Elizabeth, the list member whose post
began the thread in question, expressed her regret that she had posted her
question to an NFB list. As she wrote, "I guess the support of the NFB is
for everyone else but me." Obviously, this is not the kind of feeling that
we who are dedicated Federationists want to leave with our newer colleagues.
Therefore, I would like to remind all list members that when we post to a
list like this one, we often represent the first contact blind students have
with our movement at the national level. Unfair though this may be, it is a
fact of life that first impressions often determine a person's perception of
a group of people as a whole. To use a personal example, I did not
participate in the Federation for ten years because the first impressions I
gleaned from an earlier experience involving an NFB-sponsored program were
negative (see my article in the June, 2013 Braille Monitor for more on
this.) It is vital, then, that we all remember the importance of first
impressions when posting to the list. Of course, we all have the right to
express our opinions freely on this list-indeed, we have this list for that
very purpose. When we resort to anger and personal attacks, however, we are
not only making bitter an otherwise pleasant conversation, but we are also
misrepresenting the true, supportive nature of our Federation to new
members. I challenge all list members, therefore, to remember the support we
have received from the Federation over the years, and resolve to show that
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my fellow listers, I am truly sorry. Finally, please understand that what I
have said above is merely my personal opinion and does not reflect any
official position of NABS or the NABS Board. I hope we can end this brief
period of discord, and that we can work together to rededicate ourselves to
accurately representing the love, hope and determination of the National
Federation of the Blind.

 

Yours in the movement,

 

Chris

 

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:23:27 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:23:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice
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Greg:

You bring up a lot of great points. Thanks for sharing! To clarify the VR Stream point, it depends on which model you have. The first generation Stream recorded only in 3PG format, an audio format which is only compatible with a few select devices. If you wanted to record in the more common MP3 or WAV formats, you had to buy a $50 software pack from Humanware. This model has since been discontinued. However, the second generation Stream records in MP3 by default, meaning that a recording made on it can be opened on virtually any device with a media player.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 1:14 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Greg Aikens
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some Advice

Hi Elizabeth,
I’m sorry to hear that you are going through such a tough situation. It sounds as though you had a system that worked but now the disability office has fallen down on their end and are not providing what you need. It is true that having multiple tools to accomplish a task is a must but having access to something so basic as a screen reader in the testing center should be a no-brainer. 

Here are some options you might consider: 
1. Continue to advocate with your DSO but at the same time, find out who their boss is and start going up the chain of command with your complaint. Most DSOs issue accommodation letters to students at the beginning of each semester. Do you have one that includes the use of JAWS on tests? That could be very useful in discussions with administration. If you do decide to go up the chain of command, there are several veterans on this list who could help you word emails, find out who to contact, etc. 
2. The oral exam or recorded oral answer routes are probably going to be your next best option after JAWS. Dictating is difficult but recording an answer is somewhat easier, as long as your professor understands that you are not saying word for word what you might have written. I did not realize that the VR stream had its own file format. There are many inexpensive (less than $20) voice recorders you can get at most stores like Wal-Mart or Target. This would do the job. If you are not able to purchase one yourself, perhaps the DSO could be convinced to do so since you only need it because they are failing to provide you JAWS in the testing center. Alternatively, your library on campus may have voice recorders like this that can be checked out. 
3. Use a human scribe. I agree that this is less than ideal, but it might be better than not taking the test at all, at least until you work something else out. 
4. If none of these ideas work, you may need to seriously consider dropping the class, if you are not already past the drop date. It would be  unfortunate if you have to take that route, but I’m not sure why you would continue to pay for a class you can’t have access to. You might even be able to persuade them to fully refund your money since it is the University’s lack of accommodations that seems to be preventing you from success. 

This sounds like an ugly situation and I’m sorry you are having to deal with it. I apologize in advance if these are not the answers you were looking for. Reading through this thread, you have received a variety of advice, in my opinion, some good, some bad, and some irrelevant. It seems clear though that you have not received the kind of support you are looking for. What exactly are you looking for? Do you want someone to help you figure out how to go up the chain of command and what to say? Do you want someone to come with you to visit your DSO office to help you advocate? Those seem like reasonable requests to me. It seems as though there are many people willing to help, offer advice, etc. Don’t shut them out because they can’t read your mind. Clarify your request and ignore  answers if they aren’t helpful (including mine). 

I hope you can get this resolved. 

Best,
Greg

> On Jan 29, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Simply because this suggestion works for some does not mean it will 
> work for all. I have a hard enough time typing with the use of a 
> screen reader, I cannot imagine how horrible my typing would be 
> without the use of a screen reader.
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly 
> Mihalakis via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 9:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
> Advice
> 
> Evening, List,
> 
> That is a good suggestion~! 'smatter of cfact, at times I was editing 
> my writing with sighted student writing tutors, I used the in class 
> computers in exactly that manner. And, it works well.
> CarAt 04:02 PM 1/29/2016, Jamie Principato via nabs-l wrote:
>> Another option would be to type your responses without JAWS, and have 
>> a scribe or reader read it back to you and help you correct typos and 
>> errors it's still your independent work, but you'd have a reader do 
>> the job of JAWS until the school gets the computers with jaws fixed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jamie,
>>> 
>>> How can you assume the disabilities office would have a tape 
>>> recorder? As far as I can tell, the disabilities office does not 
>>> have
> much of anything.
>>> 
>>> And if I have a difficult time using the screen reader voice that I 
>>> have been using for years, I do not believe I would be able to learn
>> how to use a
>>> new voice that I simply cannot understand.
>>> 
>>> I am sorry if you do not understand or believe me. And I am even 
>>> more sorry that I posted my question about how to take my exam on 
>>> this
> email list.
>>> Having everyone jump down my throat about not being able to attend 
>>> an NFB training center or not having perfect Braille skills was
>> definitely not what
>>> I needed today. It looks as though the positive support of the NFB 
>>> is for everyone else besides me.
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jamie 
>>> Principato via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 6:31 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Jamie Principato <blackbyrdfly at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>> Advice
>>> 
>>> The disability office probably has a tape recorder. Also, if you 
>>> don't understand a speech synthesizer, practice actually does help 
>>> with
>> that. It's
>>> just like how toddlers don't understand grown up speech until 
>>> they've listened to it a lot. A big part of it is to not throw ideas 
>>> out with an "I can't" or "I'll never be able to" right off the bat.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello All,,
>>>> 
>>>> If I cannot understand the voice from NVDA then what good is it 
>>>> going to be for me to practice using it? No amount of practice is 
>>>> going to change this for me.
>>>> 
>>>> The only recording device I have is a Victor Stream. So how exactly 
>>>> would this option work for me? It would seem to me the only way to 
>>>> allow my professor to listen to my answers would be to give her my 
>>>> victor stream. I would not feel comfortable doing this because I 
>>>> have all my reading materials on it. And since the victor stream 
>>>> has its own special recording format, I cannot just simply save a 
>>>> copy of the recording and send it to my professor.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems as though there would be too many logistics for this option.
>>>> And I have absolutely no idea if the disabilities office would 
>>>> allow such an accommodation. The disabilities office seems to be 
>>>> rather controlling in what it is willing to approve of as an
> accommodation.
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart [mailto:mikgephart at icloud.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:13 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Struggling Blind Student Looking for Some 
>>>> Advice
>>>> 
>>>> Elizabeth, I understand some of the frustration. We are not at all 
>>>> implying that a training center would solve all your problems. How 
>>>> many of our members have left a training center, only to still need 
>>>> help with their colleges? could you practice with NVDA from 
>>>> wherever you are emailing right now? The more you practice, the better.
>>>> Blindness and health problems do not have to stop you from living 
>>>> the life
>>> y want.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 29, 2016, at 5:02 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly wish I had never posted my email to this email list. I 
>>>>> really
>>>> hate the fact that it just seems like all you are wanting to do is 
>>>> tell me that an NFB training center is somehow going to solve all 
>>>> the problems in my life. Even if I could ever go to an NFB training 
>>>> center, I will probably never gain the Braille skills necessary to 
>>>> be able to use them in a testing situation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have never used a smart phone before, so this option would not 
>>>>> work for
>>>> me. There is absolutely no way I would be able to learn how to use 
>>>> it good enough to use for a test that is in two weeks. I am already 
>>>> trying to catch up in this class after being sick, so I am not 
>>>> looking to add anything more to my plate than what is already on it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Using NVDA sounds like a good option, but again, I have never used 
>>>>> it
>>>> before, and I cannot understand the voice that comes with it . So I 
>>>> am not quite sure how this option would work for me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am sorry that I am not able to fight my college and the 
>>>>> vocational
>>>> rehabilitation all on my own. The Client Assistant Program does not 
>>>> do much of anything here. And no one in the NFB has never really 
>>>> been willing to help me either. All I wanted to do was to find a 
>>>> way to pass this class. But it looks as though I simply do not have 
>>>> the support, resources, and capacity to do the things I wanted to 
>>>> be able to
>>> do before my accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I should have never signed up to take this class. I really did not 
>>>>> have
>>>> the money to pay for it in the first place, and right now it just 
>>>> feels like this was only a waste of my money. And I should just 
>>>> learn that I am never going to be the same person that I was before 
>>>> my
> accident.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:28:13 2016
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:28:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility
In-Reply-To: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
References: <D78EDB7D-C122-46CB-8846-AE8B7F96BB7B@asu.edu>
Message-ID: <003e01d15c65$e9443a30$bbccae90$@gmail.com>

Bryan:

Thanks so much for putting together this resource! Just curious--has anyone
tried using Chrome with JAWS or NVDA on Windows? If so, has its
accessibility improved in recent updates? In other words, is it necessary to
install ChromeVox?

Thanks,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Duarte
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2016 9:01 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Bryan Duarte
Subject: [nabs-l] Google applications and accessibility

Hello NABS,

I wanted to send this out just to make it known in case some of you may not
know. We have all had the issues facing accessibility to Google applications
at some time or another right? Yes, I can answer this rhetorical question.
Well let me provide you some information which may or may not surprise you
about the incredible accessibility Google applications have for blind
individuals no matter what operating system you are using.

As we all know Google has been telling us at NFB conventions for years that
they are building accessibility into their products but when we open Google
Drive, Google Docs, or any other Google app on our Windows or Mac we are
getting frustrated with their lack of access right? The answer is once again
Yes! Well guess what? Google has actually been telling the truth but not
telling it correctly. Google has developed the Chrome web browser which is
free for all to use. I am sure some of us use Google Chrome as our web
browser but for the most part we do not mess with it because Jaws and other
windows screen readers interact better with browsers such as Firefox,
Safari, and yes some people still use Internet Explorer. What Google has not
told you is that they have also developed their own screen reader called
Chrome VOX which only runs in Google Chrome. Not only does it run in Chrome
but it gives you complete access to all Google applications which guess
what, also run right inside of Chrome. So here is what you need to do if you
would like to use Googles powerful suite of web based tools to collaborate
with your teams of sighted peers.

1. No matter what operating system you use navigate to,
https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/
<https://www.google.com/chrome/browser/desktop/> 

Download the Google Chrome web browser and install it for your operating
system Windows or Mac or Linux.

2. Then download and install Chrome VOX from within the Chrome web browser.
http://www.chromevox.com <http://www.chromevox.com/> 

3. Once Chrome VOX is installed simply go to the preferences or settings tab
and customize the voice and you are off and running. 

4. Here is the link to the keyboard commands you will need to control Chrome
VOX http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html
<http://www.chromevox.com/keyboard_shortcuts.html> 

I use Google applications everyday all the time to manage all my teams and
communicate with my peers. I use a Mac so when I open Chrome I will press
Command plus F5 to turn off Voiceover then I use Chrome VOX while I am using
the Google Applications then simply close Chrome and resume Voiceover. Just
as a side note Voiceover will not speak once you are editing within a Google
Doc and Chrome VOX is running so that is convenient so you do not have to
worry about having to toggle one on and off. 

I hope this helps some of you who might have been wanting or needing to use
Google applications but have been way to frustrated with the inconsistency
of accessibility.

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
ASU Software Engineering Graduate Student QwikEyes CEO



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From sbonenfant2 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:32:16 2016
From: sbonenfant2 at gmail.com (Simon Bonenfant)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:32:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAGGR7oqARdNF-83TL+vUk+BqdTW8MFj2drTjgcnh3ojuHOMiBQ@mail.gmail.com>

hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can
get it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated
version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com
keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed
then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to
www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the  nvda addons page link then click the
link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and
your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to
www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and
their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps
and good luck

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the use of
> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is free while
> other
> people claim that you have to pay for it. According to what I read on the
> NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on that you have to pay for in
> order to use it. So for those of you who believe the Eloquence JAWS voice
> is
> free while the NVDA website states that you have to pay for it, how are you
> able to get it for free? It seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on
> was free that it would say this on the NVDA website. All of this different
> information from different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can
> explain this to me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would
> greatly appreciate hearing from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 20:37:33 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:37:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
In-Reply-To: <CAGGR7oqARdNF-83TL+vUk+BqdTW8MFj2drTjgcnh3ojuHOMiBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL401-EAS231DF8F6B01E09FCC03565EBADD0@phx.gbl>
	<CAGGR7oqARdNF-83TL+vUk+BqdTW8MFj2drTjgcnh3ojuHOMiBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS48502A4B9E46B9D872CB75EBADD0@phx.gbl>

Hello Simon, ,

Thank you for posting this information. However, I find it to be rather
confusing and I am not able to understand it.

Thanks,
Elizabeth.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Simon Bonenfant
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Simon Bonenfant <sbonenfant2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices

hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can get
it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated
version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com
keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed
then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to
www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the  nvda addons page link then click the
link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and
your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to
www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and
their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps
and good luck

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the 
> use of the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is 
> free while other people claim that you have to pay for it. According 
> to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on 
> that you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you who 
> believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website states 
> that you have to pay for it, how are you able to get it for free? It 
> seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it would 
> say this on the NVDA website. All of this different information from 
> different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can explain this to 
> me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would greatly 
> appreciate hearing from you.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 21:15:59 2016
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 14:15:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a
	Friendly	Reminder to All Listers
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I would like to help. I've been in what seemed like a hopelessly insurmountable situation with barriers to receiving an education as well, and I have since overcome those obstacles. Elizabeth, I get the feeling that you aren't looking for suggestions of things you can do on your own at your school to address this problem. Can you contact me either here or off list to give me a better idea of what it is you're looking for? You got a lot of suggestions, but clearly none were suitable and is like to understand why so I can offer better advice. 

-Jamie

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Chris,
> 
> I appreciate you posting this message to the email list. I do not wish to
> make this situation worse, but I would like to point out that I am not a new
> member to this organization. The comment you reference in this email comes
> from my experience in not being able to receive the help and support from
> this organization when I needed it. I find it very difficult to see other
> people receive help and support from this organization to help them advocate
> for things that go beyond the means of what they are able to handle on their
> own when I have never really been able to receive this same help and support
> to advocate for things that are beyond the means of what I am able to handle
> on my own. I am sorry if this statement offends people, but it is the truth
> of my experience in trying to be a part of this organization. I think part
> of the reason why I overreacted to the responses I received was because it
> seemed as though the initial responses I received offered solutions that
> went beyond my specific situation and this only caused me to become more
> overwhelmed by my situation. And I am sure this was not the intent of anyone
> who responded to me, but I really felt as though I was being attacked by
> most of the responses I received in response to my message. It seems to me
> that I receive a lot of personal attacks from a number of different members
> within this organization. I honestly do not understand why I am treated this
> way, but the pattern of being treated this way by different members of the
> NFB only leads me to believe that I am this no good person who will never
> really amount to much of anything in life. But anyway, I am sorry for my
> rambles that probably do not belong on this email list. I wish it was easier
> for me to communicate effectively with other people, but it appears as
> though there are some injuries that never really heal.
> 
> Elizabeth. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 2:36 PM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a Friendly
> Reminder to All Listers
> 
> Dear Fellow NABSters:
> 
> 
> 
> Since its beginning Friday morning, I have been attempting to follow our
> most recent large-scale thread, entitled "A Struggling Blind Student Looking
> for Some Advice," as closely as I can. Though the discussion has evolved and
> expanded to encompass several different topics and points of view, I have
> observed a few common themes which seem to me at once gratifying and
> troubling. In an effort to avoid the highly emotionally-charged nature of
> some of the discussion in this thread, I have chosen here to try to address
> these commonalities in a new and separate post rather than responding to a
> lot of individual comments which have been posted throughout the thread.
> 
> 
> 
> Firstly, I would like to thank those who provided constructive answers to
> the questions posed in the original post based on your own experiences. Your
> thoughtful and practical approach exhibits the best characteristics of this
> list. Indeed, this list exists as a forum in which blind students can get
> support, encouragement and information from each other in a nurturing,
> nonjudgmental environment. It was in this spirit that the NABS list was
> created, and it is this spirit that the NABS leadership team tries to keep
> alive as we monitor the day-to-day discussion which takes place here. I
> personally and the leadership team collectively are very appreciative of
> those many list members who assist us in keeping the NABS place an inviting
> forum that people want to participate in. You are what holds this list
> together.
> 
> 
> 
> With this in mind, I have also observed to my dismay that a small but vocal
> minority has engaged in personal attacks and angry rhetoric used against
> those with whom they disagree. There have also been those who have appeared
> immovable in their positions, even as new information is disclosed. This has
> created tention and high emotions in a discussion which began as a
> productive exchange of ideas. I completely understand the frustration which
> comes when those of us who are more experienced offer a suggestion to a
> struggling new member, only for that new member to seem to reject the advice
> we gave them. One is tempted to throw up one's hands and reply, "You asked
> me, and I told you what you should do. If you had just done what I told you
> to do, you wouldn't be stuck in this mess!"
> 
> 
> 
> This frustration is a very real feeling, and one with which I have struggled
> on many occasions both inside and outside the Federation. However, I believe
> we must remember that we can only control the advice we give. What a new
> member does or fails to do based on our advice is completely out of our
> control. Moreover, I believe it must be emphasized that what works for one
> may not work for all. Our philosophy states that the blind are a
> cross-section of the general public. If this is true, it follows that each
> blind person is an individual with his/her own strengths, weaknesses, and
> preferences. It is very easy to become insistent on our way of doing things,
> not understanding why others do not do what seems so easy to us. However,
> there are often a number of secondary factors which complicate a
> situation-secondary disabilities, family situations, financial hardships,
> etc. Since we may not be aware of all these factors, we may not always be
> able to provide the most workable advice in every situation. All of us,
> including myself, must therefore recognize the innate individuality of each
> blind person, and exercise patience with those who may be dealing with
> situations which we may not fully understand.
> 
> 
> 
> Finally, I was deeply troubled when Elizabeth, the list member whose post
> began the thread in question, expressed her regret that she had posted her
> question to an NFB list. As she wrote, "I guess the support of the NFB is
> for everyone else but me." Obviously, this is not the kind of feeling that
> we who are dedicated Federationists want to leave with our newer colleagues.
> Therefore, I would like to remind all list members that when we post to a
> list like this one, we often represent the first contact blind students have
> with our movement at the national level. Unfair though this may be, it is a
> fact of life that first impressions often determine a person's perception of
> a group of people as a whole. To use a personal example, I did not
> participate in the Federation for ten years because the first impressions I
> gleaned from an earlier experience involving an NFB-sponsored program were
> negative (see my article in the June, 2013 Braille Monitor for more on
> this.) It is vital, then, that we all remember the importance of first
> impressions when posting to the list. Of course, we all have the right to
> express our opinions freely on this list-indeed, we have this list for that
> very purpose. When we resort to anger and personal attacks, however, we are
> not only making bitter an otherwise pleasant conversation, but we are also
> misrepresenting the true, supportive nature of our Federation to new
> members. I challenge all list members, therefore, to remember the support we
> have received from the Federation over the years, and resolve to show that
> support to others whenever we post to our list.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope that my comments here serve only to refocus our on-list discussion
> rather than to further polarize it. If what I have said has offended any of
> my fellow listers, I am truly sorry. Finally, please understand that what I
> have said above is merely my personal opinion and does not reflect any
> official position of NABS or the NABS Board. I hope we can end this brief
> period of discord, and that we can work together to rededicate ourselves to
> accurately representing the love, hope and determination of the National
> Federation of the Blind.
> 
> 
> 
> Yours in the movement,
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, President
> 
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> 
> Vice President, Greater Carroll County Chapter, National Federation of the
> Blind of Maryland
> 
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (443) 547-2409
> 
> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink
> 
> 
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
> 
> 
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 21:38:33 2016
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 16:38:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
Message-ID: <56ae7f01.9399810a.7248.1f9b@mx.google.com>

Elizabeth,

My understanding of the e-mail is that there are two versions of 
the Eloquence add on--an older one and an updated one.  You can 
download the older version from the first address he gives or the 
updated version from the second address.  He also gives you 
information on how to navigate each website to get to the 
Eloquence download.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:37:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices

Hello Simon, ,

Thank you for posting this information. However, I find it to be 
rather
confusing and I am not able to understand it.

Thanks,
Elizabeth.



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Simon Bonenfant
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Simon Bonenfant <sbonenfant2 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices

hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda 
you can get
it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the 
updated
version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from 
www.grossgang.com
keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a 
faster speed
then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to
www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the  nvda addons page link then 
click the
link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and 
install it and
your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go 
to
www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons 
page and
their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope 
this helps
and good luck

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding 
the
 use of the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it 
is
 free while other people claim that you have to pay for it. 
According
 to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an 
add on
 that you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you 
who
 believe the Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website 
states
 that you have to pay for it, how are you able to get it for 
free? It
 seems to me that if the Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it 
would
 say this on the NVDA website. All of this different information 
from
 different sources only confuses me. So if anyone can explain 
this to
 me in a way that I might be able to understand, I would greatly
 appreciate hearing from you.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 22:23:08 2016
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:23:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA and Windows Live mail
Message-ID: <6A2FDFAE-549E-4815-AB79-1EFDEA55FA10@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I'm thinking in using  NVDA in order to check my mom's computer and so on. I am using JAWS and VoiceOver in order to do my studies.  However, NVDA I want to use it in order to check other Windows computer since they don't have JAWS.  So can anyone help me download the NVDA  screen. Reader in a thumb drive in order to take it places and cheek other people computer? I wil really  appreciate it  lot. Now regarding Windows live mail, I have Windows  live mail, but I don't know which version I have. I want  to install Windows live mail in my mom's computer in order for her to use it and teach her how o to use the email client. Where do I find the specific  Windows live mail in order to download it? For me, someone. Did it so I really don't know  how to do it? I'm not a tech savvy person in, so I appreciate any help you guys can offer me. I will really appreciate it a lot! If you want you can contact me off list  regarding this matter in order to not clutter the list! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 31 22:31:37 2016
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:31:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and
	aFriendly	Reminder to All Listers
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Message-ID: <BDC935D4E8E94140AAC017587139438C@OwnerPC>

Hi Elizabeth,

We met at a VA state convention once.
Back then I was finishing my BA degree from Marymount university. Since 
then, I've attended our state training center and looked for work and I've 
also picked up some additional classes at the community college to add to my 
business knowledge for work and I think these courses helps my resume.

I've been connected to NFB since I was a late teenager; I was almost grown 
when I was beginning my involvement.
Lately, since I haven't been too successful in finding employment or even 
volunteering, I've also felt attacked.
Its not been by most NFB members though. I'm sorry to hear you were attacked 
not only on list in this cyber world, but individually as well.
Remember though that not all federationists are like this. I feel that some 
older members have this one size fits all mentality sometimes. Its like 
their way is the only way to do something and if their way does not work, 
then you cannot be successful.
That kind of attitude can feel hurtful, I know as I've felt it sometimes.
I think younger or newer members are  more open minded.
Also, it depends on the chapter of NFB. Maybe the chapter you encountered 
was just too pushy.
If you are willing to give NFB a chance again, I suggest visiting other 
chapters if that is possible, or joining an at large chapter of your state 
if they have one.

In regards  to college, some colleges do the minimum to get by such as 
Northern virginia community college, which I've attended off and on since 
graduating with my BA. Others go beyond the minimum requirements and offer a 
range of accomodations and services to students with disabilities. Others 
are so bad that they fail to comply with civil rights laws. So, I'm saying 
this to point out that some colleges are just terrible and its hard to fight 
them alone.

That said, I'd like to help you too. You can always contact me off list at 
bookwormahb at earthlink.net or if you can use skype, we can connect that way.

Take care,
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:13 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: Elizabeth Mohnke
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and 
aFriendly Reminder to All Listers

Hello Chris,

I appreciate you posting this message to the email list. I do not wish to
make this situation worse, but I would like to point out that I am not a new
member to this organization. The comment you reference in this email comes
from my experience in not being able to receive the help and support from
this organization when I needed it. I find it very difficult to see other
people receive help and support from this organization to help them advocate
for things that go beyond the means of what they are able to handle on their
own when I have never really been able to receive this same help and support
to advocate for things that are beyond the means of what I am able to handle
on my own. I am sorry if this statement offends people, but it is the truth
of my experience in trying to be a part of this organization. I think part
of the reason why I overreacted to the responses I received was because it
seemed as though the initial responses I received offered solutions that
went beyond my specific situation and this only caused me to become more
overwhelmed by my situation. And I am sure this was not the intent of anyone
who responded to me, but I really felt as though I was being attacked by
most of the responses I received in response to my message. It seems to me
that I receive a lot of personal attacks from a number of different members
within this organization. I honestly do not understand why I am treated this
way, but the pattern of being treated this way by different members of the
NFB only leads me to believe that I am this no good person who will never
really amount to much of anything in life. But anyway, I am sorry for my
rambles that probably do not belong on this email list. I wish it was easier
for me to communicate effectively with other people, but it appears as
though there are some injuries that never really heal.

Elizabeth.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 2:36 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Chris Nusbaum <cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Some Thoughts on Recent On-List Discussion and a Friendly
Reminder to All Listers

Dear Fellow NABSters:



Since its beginning Friday morning, I have been attempting to follow our
most recent large-scale thread, entitled "A Struggling Blind Student Looking
for Some Advice," as closely as I can. Though the discussion has evolved and
expanded to encompass several different topics and points of view, I have
observed a few common themes which seem to me at once gratifying and
troubling. In an effort to avoid the highly emotionally-charged nature of
some of the discussion in this thread, I have chosen here to try to address
these commonalities in a new and separate post rather than responding to a
lot of individual comments which have been posted throughout the thread.



Firstly, I would like to thank those who provided constructive answers to
the questions posed in the original post based on your own experiences. Your
thoughtful and practical approach exhibits the best characteristics of this
list. Indeed, this list exists as a forum in which blind students can get
support, encouragement and information from each other in a nurturing,
nonjudgmental environment. It was in this spirit that the NABS list was
created, and it is this spirit that the NABS leadership team tries to keep
alive as we monitor the day-to-day discussion which takes place here. I
personally and the leadership team collectively are very appreciative of
those many list members who assist us in keeping the NABS place an inviting
forum that people want to participate in. You are what holds this list
together.



With this in mind, I have also observed to my dismay that a small but vocal
minority has engaged in personal attacks and angry rhetoric used against
those with whom they disagree. There have also been those who have appeared
immovable in their positions, even as new information is disclosed. This has
created tention and high emotions in a discussion which began as a
productive exchange of ideas. I completely understand the frustration which
comes when those of us who are more experienced offer a suggestion to a
struggling new member, only for that new member to seem to reject the advice
we gave them. One is tempted to throw up one's hands and reply, "You asked
me, and I told you what you should do. If you had just done what I told you
to do, you wouldn't be stuck in this mess!"



This frustration is a very real feeling, and one with which I have struggled
on many occasions both inside and outside the Federation. However, I believe
we must remember that we can only control the advice we give. What a new
member does or fails to do based on our advice is completely out of our
control. Moreover, I believe it must be emphasized that what works for one
may not work for all. Our philosophy states that the blind are a
cross-section of the general public. If this is true, it follows that each
blind person is an individual with his/her own strengths, weaknesses, and
preferences. It is very easy to become insistent on our way of doing things,
not understanding why others do not do what seems so easy to us. However,
there are often a number of secondary factors which complicate a
situation-secondary disabilities, family situations, financial hardships,
etc. Since we may not be aware of all these factors, we may not always be
able to provide the most workable advice in every situation. All of us,
including myself, must therefore recognize the innate individuality of each
blind person, and exercise patience with those who may be dealing with
situations which we may not fully understand.



Finally, I was deeply troubled when Elizabeth, the list member whose post
began the thread in question, expressed her regret that she had posted her
question to an NFB list. As she wrote, "I guess the support of the NFB is
for everyone else but me." Obviously, this is not the kind of feeling that
we who are dedicated Federationists want to leave with our newer colleagues.
Therefore, I would like to remind all list members that when we post to a
list like this one, we often represent the first contact blind students have
with our movement at the national level. Unfair though this may be, it is a
fact of life that first impressions often determine a person's perception of
a group of people as a whole. To use a personal example, I did not
participate in the Federation for ten years because the first impressions I
gleaned from an earlier experience involving an NFB-sponsored program were
negative (see my article in the June, 2013 Braille Monitor for more on
this.) It is vital, then, that we all remember the importance of first
impressions when posting to the list. Of course, we all have the right to
express our opinions freely on this list-indeed, we have this list for that
very purpose. When we resort to anger and personal attacks, however, we are
not only making bitter an otherwise pleasant conversation, but we are also
misrepresenting the true, supportive nature of our Federation to new
members. I challenge all list members, therefore, to remember the support we
have received from the Federation over the years, and resolve to show that
support to others whenever we post to our list.



I hope that my comments here serve only to refocus our on-list discussion
rather than to further polarize it. If what I have said has offended any of
my fellow listers, I am truly sorry. Finally, please understand that what I
have said above is merely my personal opinion and does not reflect any
official position of NABS or the NABS Board. I hope we can end this brief
period of discord, and that we can work together to rededicate ourselves to
accurately representing the love, hope and determination of the National
Federation of the Blind.



Yours in the movement,



Chris



Chris Nusbaum, President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

Vice President, Greater Carroll County Chapter, National Federation of the
Blind of Maryland

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @nabslink



The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.



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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jan 31 22:56:50 2016
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:56:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
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Hello Karl,

I guess what I still do not understand is how some people can claim that the
Eloquence JAWS voice for NVDA is free while other people, including the NVDA
website, claim that you have to pay for it. This is the part that confuses
me.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

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Elizabeth,

My understanding of the e-mail is that there are two versions of the
Eloquence add on--an older one and an updated one.  You can download the
older version from the first address he gives or the updated version from
the second address.  He also gives you information on how to navigate each
website to get to the Eloquence download.

Hope this helps,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:37:33 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices

Hello Simon, ,

Thank you for posting this information. However, I find it to be rather
confusing and I am not able to understand it.

Thanks,
Elizabeth.



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Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices

hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can get
it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated
version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com
keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed
then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to
www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the  nvda addons page link then click the
link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and
your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to
www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and
their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps
and good luck

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello All,

 It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the  use of
the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is  free while
other people claim that you have to pay for it. 
According
 to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on  that
you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you who  believe the
Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website states  that you have to
pay for it, how are you able to get it for free? It  seems to me that if the
Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it would  say this on the NVDA website.
All of this different information from  different sources only confuses me.
So if anyone can explain this to  me in a way that I might be able to
understand, I would greatly  appreciate hearing from you.

 Thanks,
 Elizabeth

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 23:55:17 2016
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:55:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS500EFFF72496951820C7B1FBADD0@phx.gbl>
References: <56ae7f01.9399810a.7248.1f9b@mx.google.com>
	<COL401-EAS500EFFF72496951820C7B1FBADD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAK7r9Bv6PW838oQfc0bwqsQesZVqRk8FpjgAdALfTerA@mail.gmail.com>

I could be wrong, but from my reading, it sounded like the Eloquence
voice does cost money, but that a couple of list members who have
already bought the Eloquence add-on are willing to share it with you
for free. Ben Bloomgren was one such person, at
ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com
It was also stated that there are free voices other than the standard
NVDA voice that might be easier to understand, but those wouldn't be
Eloquence.
I have definitely had experiences where a piece of software, or a
speech synthesizer, made no sense to me when I first heard it, but
that I did start to understand it after days of practice and often
slowing the voice rate down a bit. I use JAWS and VoiceOver at a
slower speed than most blind people do because I want to understand
everything. I can understand why you might not have the time to
practice NVDA, but if you do have time, I think it's worthwhile to at
least try and see if your comprehension improves at all.

Best, Arielle

On 1/31/16, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Karl,
>
> I guess what I still do not understand is how some people can claim that
> the
> Eloquence JAWS voice for NVDA is free while other people, including the
> NVDA
> website, claim that you have to pay for it. This is the part that confuses
> me.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
>
> Elizabeth,
>
> My understanding of the e-mail is that there are two versions of the
> Eloquence add on--an older one and an updated one.  You can download the
> older version from the first address he gives or the updated version from
> the second address.  He also gives you information on how to navigate each
> website to get to the Eloquence download.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 15:37:33 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
>
> Hello Simon, ,
>
> Thank you for posting this information. However, I find it to be rather
> confusing and I am not able to understand it.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Simon
> Bonenfant
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Simon Bonenfant <sbonenfant2 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NVDA Voices
>
> hello, all if you want to download the eloquence driver for nvda you can
> get
> it from www.jeff.tdrealms.com and if you want to download the updated
> version that fixes crash codes you can download, it from www.grossgang.com
> keep in mind that the updated version changes the rate to a faster speed
> then jaws but you can chage that in voice settings when you go to
> www.jeff.tdrealms.com navigate to the  nvda addons page link then click the
> link that says, download the eloquence driver click that and install it and
> your good if you want to download the updated virsion you can go to
> www.grossgang.com then navigate to the tts link then nvda addons page and
> their will be a bunch of addons you can download for free hope this helps
> and good luck
>
> On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Hello All,
>
>  It seems to me there are different views and opinions regarding the  use
> of
> the Eloquence JAWS voice with NVDA. Some people claim it is  free while
> other people claim that you have to pay for it.
> According
>  to what I read on the NVDA website, the Eloquence voice is an add on  that
> you have to pay for in order to use it. So for those of you who  believe
> the
> Eloquence JAWS voice is free while the NVDA website states  that you have
> to
> pay for it, how are you able to get it for free? It  seems to me that if
> the
> Eloquence JAWS add on was free that it would  say this on the NVDA website.
> All of this different information from  different sources only confuses me.
> So if anyone can explain this to  me in a way that I might be able to
> understand, I would greatly  appreciate hearing from you.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Elizabeth
>
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